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Being either a slave or an island is not fun, but trying to be both at the same time is just a mess. I guess if you feel like women are foisting that off on men, wouldn't the best solution be to present more authoritative, mature and responsible female role models for women rather than either being a man-punching female warrior or a dutiful princess? And I feel like you'd be in agreement with a lot of feminists if you thought that.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 02:19 PM
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(This probably sounds all Victorian and fist-pumping, so sorry but again, not trying to be patronizing, just saying how I feel on this) For me, manhood is about power and responsibility. It's about taking life by the horns and digging in and standing up to the assholes of the world, of whatever gender. It's about protecting people you are stronger than, and men are literally physically stronger than women. We don't have to deal with the consequences of sex (i.e. pregnancy) so we have a responsib…
/r/MensRights03/04/13 02:12 PM
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I just plain don't agree. Men and women are just people trying to get by as best they can. I've seen some saints and some cold, calculating assholes among men and women. I really don't think you can generalize about all marriages in modern society that women are generally less invested, caring or supportive than men. I mean, do you know a bunch of angelic men with shrewish, calculating bitch wives? I think I know at least as many saintly wives with cheating, lazy asshole husbands on the other ha…
/r/MensRights03/04/13 01:45 PM
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Sorry this is like 8 internal links but I guess I feel like in your scenario 'man' is weak and small and at the mercy of 'woman.' And completely independent of what it really is like, man is NOT small and weak in the female mind in our culture. He's big and strong and kind of scary and full of power and authority. Hell for some feminists, man is damn near omnipotent and controls all of society. That's the culture they're bombarded with. I see that image as potent, unethical power that is directl…
/r/MensRights03/04/13 03:47 AM
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And more individualistic and less sacrificial expectations of marriage. But I think that's definitely both genders.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 03:42 AM
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I mean claims to get paid the same amount in the workplace, get compensated for biological inconveniences. I mean, we're talking basic Enlightenment human rights here. And people have always had shitty marriages, it's just they have more freedom to get out of 'em.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 03:41 AM
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Also, I think you dramatically underestimate male power. Men can string women along and divorce them just as easily.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 03:38 AM
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Like, don't get me wrong, my grandparents are cool and all, but just a little bit of that stuff. Not the infidelity but the taking for granted stuff.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 03:32 AM
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I don't know if I agree with that. I think you need equality and respect in a lot of aspects to have functional relationship or marriage. When I look at the truly traditional marriage of, say, my grandparents, it's well.... sorta intrinsically dysfunctional. Sorta in line with the stories you hear about old widowers starving to death when their wives die 'cause they never cooked for themselves their whole live. I mean, look at how many men cheated on their wives in the Victorian age. It's like a…
/r/MensRights03/04/13 03:31 AM
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See, when I read that I'm like, cha-ching, power and control and authority. I think we're just on different pages here.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 03:21 AM
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Look, all I know is from where I'm standing, when I watch like, Pride and Prejudice or something, a bona-fide female fantasy, I come outta that shit feeling fucking empowered. Like, they are obsessed with male strength and dominance. How is that not really cool for us? And when girls watch manly action movies it's like "oh look. I am a passive object. yay."
/r/MensRights03/04/13 03:18 AM
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I mean like seriously, not a rhetorical question.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 03:15 AM
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Not getting into a biological determinism debate if I can help. It's a complex issue, but I think we can just say we're on different sides of it and move on. But seriously, do you think our contradictory ideal gender role is tougher than the female one?
/r/MensRights03/04/13 03:14 AM
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I don't think I'm biologically inclined in the slightest. I think I read too much about knights and castles as a kid.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 03:01 AM
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Sorry, getting sidetracked.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 02:53 AM
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And get to stamp your coat of arms on everything and possess it all?
/r/MensRights03/04/13 02:53 AM
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And maybe we don't agree on this, but c'mon seriously. Doesn't every man deep down just want to be a lord? Be wealthy and secure, keep your woman(en) in a secure place and have a bunch of armed men who will kill stuff for you? I mean that's like the greatest thing ever.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 02:52 AM
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I certainly agree that the current ideal is completely contradictory: because you can't possibly be 100% respectful and equal and also 100% dominant patriarchal alpha male. That certainly isn't a fair idea. My challenge would be to look at the flip side of the coin: girls are simultaneously told to be pretty and submissive and a homemaker (by disney, by television, by literature, believe me that is not a dead ideal) but also told to be strong and independent. Think about how the traditional fami…
/r/MensRights03/04/13 02:50 AM
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Maybe you see this distinction as having been eroded in modern society, but I see it as still existent, personally.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 02:30 AM
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Within this traditional fantasy, women are dependent on finding ways to get the man to ask, want, take, get her without becoming the actor herself (which would be very un-feminine). Therefore, women have to be attractive. A man still has to be attractive so that the woman will accept him when he asks, but that's it. A woman has to draw him in. And so much of what women find attractive in men has to do with being an actor, an asker, an agent.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 02:28 AM
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The man is the actor.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 02:25 AM
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Okay, maybe this is a better way of putting it. In gender fantasies, the man is always the asker, the taker, the one who acts. The woman is always the passive one, the asked, the taken, the acted upon.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 02:24 AM
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In the long run. Males have to learn to take initiative, stand up for themselves, deal well with rejection in traditional society. I think I also personally have some very deep traditional prejudice along the lines of "my father is a man who works and brings home the bacon and is the ultimate court of appeals for family matters and golly gee won't it be swell when I grow up just like him." Like, I tend to think women want a man who respects himself, respects her (the better ones do anyway) and w…
/r/MensRights03/04/13 02:14 AM
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Like, I've never gone in front of a mirror and gone, "shit what will all the guys and girls down the hall think of me! I don't look my best" or worried about whether I seemed attractive in a psychological way (dominant, wealthy, funny, etc.. however cynical your criteria are). If I'm primping in front of a mirror and trying to act cool and smart and awesome, I damn well have a hot date or some specific girl I'm trying to impress. Girls are worrying about that EVERY DAMN DAY and thinking about ho…
/r/MensRights03/04/13 02:00 AM
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I mean, I guess, in the moment of, like considering buying a fast car, you aren't calculating "I'm going to GET a girl" you're like "awesome, chick will dig this" so you're right but I feel like the latter sentence still contains the former as what you plan on happening next. Whereas sometimes girls literally just want to be admired. Which is why girls will sometimes do nasty stuff like try to get attention from men they aren't interested in, while a guy would never bother trying to make girls h…
/r/MensRights03/04/13 01:55 AM
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I think it's also that the male fantasy is intrinsically about dominance, control and authority. And the female fantasy is... also about dominance, control and authority, but on the receiving end. Being controlled, being dominated, accepting male authority. It's not an equal game. I mean, if you look at romance novels and stuff, they're about men who aren't just powerful in the abstract, but about men who dominate the female protagonist and bend her to his will. Like, their fantasies have even m…
/r/MensRights03/04/13 01:50 AM
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But think about it. Do you actually fantasize about a bunch of women just... looking at you. And then nothing else? Like, that would be cool, but I'm not going to break my neck for that. When men think about being attractive, it's specifically with an aim towards GETTING a girl. The 'being attractive' isn't an end in itself, but a means to the end. I fantasize about being successful, heroic and powerful and then I GET the girl. I don't fantasize about being those things and then just standing th…
/r/MensRights03/04/13 01:47 AM
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Nope, I'm serious. And yeah, it is crazy they get taught this stuff. I'm not sure it's exactly fair to say it's men's fault at this point. At least I know I don't personally produce chick flicks or manufacture barbie dolls. But I guess the general point is they have it tough, yo. And that the whole addiction to male desire is one of the main problems women have and one thing that can make women incredibly frustrating to men.
/r/MensRights27/03/13 09:16 AM
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Like, if life is a game, we're on easy mode. It's awesome.
/r/MensRights27/03/13 06:17 AM
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But that isn't power even if it looks like power. That's weakness and dependence. They're programmed to want us to desire them, which leaves them weak.
/r/MensRights27/03/13 06:03 AM
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Women fantasize about BEING attractive to men as well as getting an attractive man. And in practice, women spend infinitely more time worrying about the former than men do. We aren't told to, so we don't.
/r/MensRights27/03/13 06:01 AM
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"[Women] like to fantasize about being attractive" See, that's the thing? Men don't worry about this. We just fantasize about getting what we want. Women don't. They've been programmed to want to be wanted by our society/popular culture. They can't win, because they're programmed to seek our attention/recognition/attraction by being physically attractive. That's why they're stuck.
/r/MensRights27/03/13 06:00 AM
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That's what self-objectification is. Wanting to be wanted. Which forces very submissive actions.
/r/MensRights27/03/13 05:57 AM
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Naw dude. Women are taught to WANT us to desire them, not to actually desire us, per se (although obviously that happens too) We're taught to make them our objects. They're taught to want our attention. This keeps us in the driver's seat. Because we can get them and satisfy our desire. They can never satisfy the desire to be desired. They're stuck dependent upon us. THAT's what the feminists are talking about.
/r/MensRights27/03/13 05:56 AM
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Hang on. Seriously? I thank God every day I was born male. Society says, "Get out there and be powerful and assertive and take what you want." And society tells women "Do things that make men attracted to you, and wait for the powerful assertive man to do what he wants to you" Seriously. It's kinda a sweet deal. I think that's why I have trouble with mensrights folk. It's like, we've been handed the sweetest deal in history. Our forefathers have spent a lot of time making life really cozy for us…
/r/MensRights27/03/13 05:54 AM
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Okay, dude here with an objectification explanation: In our culture, men and women are both programmed by society, but differently. Men are programmed to treat women as objects (i.e. things that fullfil a desire). Men are taught from a young age that women are a prize to be acquired and possessed, and devote an immense amount of time, energy, money and angst to attempting to accomplish this. Women, on the other hand, are taught to self-objectify themselves, to seek male desire/attention/recognit…
/r/MensRights27/03/13 05:54 AM
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