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Welp, agree to disagree I guess. I wish you well.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 02:19 AM
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“The truth is that boys and men are entirely responsible for figuring out a social life on their own, same as women.” That’s what RP is. Men looking at the situation and figuring out how to be successful socially. It exposes uncomfortable truths about both men and women. Some men react dysfunctionally to the information. Some use it as fuel to improve. Most just shrug it off. Again, I would agree that using it as fuel for hatred is unwise. Many women don’t like it. Many women do. Men are just go…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 01:44 AM
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I understand. I’m certainly not saying women don’t deal with unfair stuff they shouldn’t have to. But there seems to be this strange sentiment that because women have to deal with unfair stuff that means that men don’t. I get it. You don’t like the cultural baggage that women have had to deal with. The presence of that baggage does not mean that womanhood is without privilege. These things don’t work that way. Multiple things can be true at the same timetime. Saying women have advantages in some…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 01:29 AM
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Yeah I added a late edit- “outside of religious circles”. I’ll cheerfully concede the point that condemning women’s sexuality is completely inappropriate. That doesn’t change the fact that young men have been socialized to pedestalize them for multiple generations. I guess you’ll just have to take my word for it. EVERY young man’s first attempt at wooing women is buying them chocolates and flowers and complimenting them. That is what we were sold. If you want to say that infantilizes women and i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 01:21 AM
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Copy and paste directly from Google AI: “Original sin is a Christian doctrine that states that all humans are born into a state of sin because of Adam and Eve's disobedience to God.” That doesn’t look gendered to me. Not that I’m defending the idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 01:16 AM
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Respectfully, you’re not really in a position to tell me what values my family, community, school system, and media imprinted on my mind in my formative years. You’re also not in a position to say what men are or are not raised with. That’s quite arrogant to assume. I have not othered anyone. I was raised in a feminist household in which I was the only male. When I was growing up, I was told both implicitly and explicitly that women are innocent and men are dangerous and predatory. There has bee…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 01:13 AM
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Haha I love the candor. You’ve got spunk.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 09:43 PM
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Do you just want to argue? It seems like it. Good luck out there!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 09:38 PM
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Agreed! It’s absolutely a filter that we need to be mindful of. Many religions condemn men as well. Original sin and all that. Some of our cultural filters are wholesome and useful and some are not. We should evaluate them on a case by case basis. That’s the whole point of the exercise.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 09:38 PM
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“That is absolutely saying women are treated better, as a whole, culturally.“ Except it isn’t. Let’s say there’s a set of 1000 implicit biases. If 999 of them favor men and one favors women, then the statement “there exists an implicit bias that favors women” is a true and complete statement. The values of the other biases does not affect the truth of the statement at all. Further, I even qualified the statement that this was a bias only in the minds of men which in itself restricts the scope to…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 09:35 PM
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“Yeah I got that”. No need to be unkind. Bring rude is also good way to not be taken seriously. “You didn't say some place. You said culturally, women are better treated..” Let’s look at the tape. Here’s my comment in full: “People that debate in favor of RP just look at what is actually happening in human sexuality when we remove all the cultural filters and act accordingly. One such filter that is outdated is that women “are made from sugar and spice and everything nice” and are perpetually vi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 09:21 PM
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Occasionally they do get better treatment in some situations. I don’t understand your point. In some places men get better treatment for faulty reasons. In some places women get better treatment for faulty reasons. It’s not hateful or prejudicial to point out. It’s something to be mindful of and behave accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 09:09 PM
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I think I misunderstood you because I was offering places where men can exploit cultural assumptions and you’re just wanting examples where they are treated better because of those assumptions. Same things just different angles. Ok I’ll answer your preferred way. Men are more physically capable than women. They get paid more as pro athletes and are preferred for roles that include physical labor. This is a serious issue for progressives. “Historical” meaning there exists an implicit bias that be…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 09:01 PM
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Those things are happening currently.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 08:52 PM
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I could name a few. Physical intimidation. Insider trading is usually done by men. Historical assumptions of competence vs female colleagues. These are well documented.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 08:47 PM
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Like I said, that’s your opinion and I’m happy that you’ve looked at everything and decided it’s not for you. I’m glad there’s a healthy diversity of perspectives on this. We always need to keep each other honest
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 08:43 PM
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I don’t have a prejudice against women. I am aware of a cultural bias that favors them in some ways. Women have privilege too. That’s fine and not something to be concerned about. I would only dislike a woman’s behavior if she used this bias to her advantage in a dishonest way, but I would not assume she would do so. That would be prejudice. I would equally dislike a white man for using any implicit bias that favors him in the same way, but would not automatically assume he would do so. Acknowle…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 08:40 PM
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What part is misogynist? I didn’t say anything hateful. I just said I examined a cultural assumption I was raised with and found it to be false. That was my experience and the experience of young men in my generation. I’m not sure I would go so far as to say women have preferential treatment, but there are no white knights for men. There exists an implicit bias that favors women in the minds of men. It’s both cultural and biological. It just is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 08:33 PM
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If you ask 10 people what red pill is you’ll get a different answer every time. If your opinion is red pill is just misogyny and exploitation, then that’s your opinion. That’s one take. I think it would serve everyone well to look at the evidence presented and take what is useful and discard what is not, just like everything else. If that evidence is not convincing for you, hey no problem, feel free to discard it. I agree that those guys are not to be listened to or trusted. To me they aren’t re…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 08:22 PM
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Our culture in general. I can tell you I certainly did growing up, as did every young man I grew up with. When people found out I was dating my first girlfriend, the response from everyone was “don’t hurt her”. We were both 17. Women have a halo effect in this way. She ended up cheating on me and dumping me, which dumbfounded me because of our cultural conditioning. Watch movies and sitcoms from the 90’s and watch the way it is inferred that men are supposed to interact with women they are inter…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 08:15 PM
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Can you elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 08:09 PM
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Honestly I think this is where all of the problem is in this space. People that hate on red pill think it is Andrew Tate, Sneako, and Fresh & Fit. All very unwise and uncouth sources of information. Most of the BP I see raising hell in this sub lump RP in with these grifters and if that were all RP was they would be totally correct. People that debate in favor of RP just look at what is actually happening in human sexuality when we remove all the cultural filters and act accordingly. One such fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 07:51 PM
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Yeah I’ve been singing this tune for a while. If women are liberated now and weren’t 50 years ago AND women are the deciders of when sex happens, then the only logical conclusion is that they have shaped the dating landscape according to their preferences and this is what it looks like. RP is just the result of observing what women are actually attracted to (now that they’re free to act on biological impulses) and adapting accordingly. That is why it has grown in direct proportion to women’s lib…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 06:24 PM
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You asked “how are young men being disenfranchised?” I gave you a clear answer. They are being discriminated against based on assumptions that are at least 50 years old. You responded with a non-sequitir that we need the rigging in favor of women because of assumptions that you concede are outdated. He’s benefiting from the system of the past because it WAS more welcoming to him? Is dude a time traveler? I gave you stats that show women are now dominating in places where power is consolidated, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 06:52 PM
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Perhaps I was being too narrow in scope. Thanks for pointing that out. The broader point is that what men need is the truth and a realistic game plan for reaching their goals, and RP provides that. RP wouldn’t be controversial if it weren’t effective. I can tell you just personally, I would much rather have someone point me the way than be a shoulder to cry on. My best mentors are like that. They aren’t insensitive, but they don’t allow me to indulge my ego in either conceit or lamentation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 06:19 PM
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Yes. Your assumption that “embracing men” means talk therapy signals that you think we should treat men like defective women in terms of addressing their issues by teaching them how to publicly emote and show weakness. Men and women have different challenges and thus require different solutions. Giving them the truth and providing a game plan for actually reaching their goals is far more beneficial then giving them empty platitudes and a box of tissues. Human beings, both and women, get uncomfor…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 06:02 PM
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Even still, our society seems to not have a problem with women winning the zero sum game. But when men do, then it’s a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 05:56 PM
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How is a 21 year old man from a poor background benefiting at all from the “system” that “men” had in the past? How is the privilege of someone else’s grandpa helping me? Again, like I said, these assumptions are outdated and punishing the wrong people. It sounds like you’re just searching for reasons why it’s ok to not have compassion for men. All of your responses have been dismissive, rather than actually talking the time to empathize. Your response itself IS the problem in a nutshell and exe…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 05:54 PM
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There’s an outdated sentiment that men are inherently privileged relative to women that affects academia and then media and culture which are downstream from it. When men point out that this is no longer a valid sentiment, they are shouted down and called names at worst, and just out of touch at best. The mainstream media gets uneasy when it comes to discussing male suffering. It has no problem supporting women and people of color when they are struggling, and that is a beautiful thing, but what…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 05:15 PM
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It’s not a positive thing that wealth is hoarded. Surely you’re not suggesting that it is? I’ve yet to hear a feminist say that unchecked capitalism is a good thing. Capitalism needs common sense regulation in order to properly operate, otherwise it creates corrupt situations like the MBS meltdown in 2008 that nearly destroyed the entire global economy. It’s all fun and games indulging in unsustainable habits until it’s time to pay the piper. Mother Nature and Father Time are undefeated and all …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 05:38 PM
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I agree with your premise, but I don’t see any upside to the dismissive attitude other than a false sense of superiority. There’s nothing good about putting people down, and I have no personal interest in restricting anyone’s “success”. I also don’t have any problems getting women, but there’s much more to life than my egoic desires. There’s a whole world out there and life is much happier when everyone’s belly is full and not just mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 04:24 PM
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How is the ill will helpful? Are unsuccessful men not worthy of compassion? Are you equally dismissive and hostile toward women that want families but can’t find husbands?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:12 PM
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That’s a bit reductive and dismissive. Most dudes would be happy just having a girlfriend. There’s could be some frustration there, but it really points to deeper questions that most people aren’t really talking about. Do we want a society where many if not most men are sexually unsuccessful while we tell them it’s their fault when it’s really just the female sex drive and math? What does that do to family formation? Do we want a world where women hold all the cards and men hold none? In any mar…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:10 PM
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Small nitpick- the average number of partners stat is misleading here, especially for men. What would be more illustrative is the median, which has gone down sharply for men. The average is the same whether Chad sleeps with all 10 women and 9 guys get none, or each man and each woman only sleep with one. The median in the first case would be zero.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 05:52 AM
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I think you’d be surprised
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 02:02 AM
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I’m not sure what your point is, then. It seems clear that if the goal is to attract women it’s a much better use of a man’s time to develop socially valued skills and accomplishments than to focus on respect, patience, and care. If you work on those skills long enough, most men can become “particularly attractive”. There’s a whole ‘nother discussion as to whether or not that’s a sensible mindset, but that’s not really the point. If a man asked me how to find a partner, I’m first going to tell h…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 03:03 AM
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It really is quite bizarre. I don’t understand the incentive in maintaining the facade. It’s ok to say that women don’t always make wholesome, sustainable decisions. Very few people do of either gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 02:28 AM
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I’m certainly not arguing against respect, patience, and care for women. In fact, I’m a massive advocate for it. I’m saying that those things are not inherent attractors for women. If a man wants a sexual partner, it’s not effective to lead with them. He should spark attraction first, and then focus on respect, patience, and care, assuming he is an ethical person. Women consistently get this wrong because they’ve never had to try and attract women before. Respect and care can make a sexy man sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 02:22 AM
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Nah there are certain characteristics that women are nearly universally attracted to. Certainly enough of them to bet on as a strategy. Relative social status, grooming, charisma, wardrobe, lifestyle, accolades, and most importantly, preselection. It just happens that rich and famous men have those things dialed up off the charts, but it’s not necessary to be rich and famous to have the same characteristics relative to a given woman. It’s all relative. Dude you’re letting “red pillers” live in y…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 02:08 AM
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But why does it matter what an individual “red piller” thinks? Or a “blue piller”? Let’s discuss ideas and their merit, rather than stating “group x thinks y” and dismissing them via ad hominem fallacies. There is no one person who represents any movement. Much better to discuss theories and ideas than personalities which are subject to delusion. I honestly don’t understand why one would waste time caring what some delusional person thinks. I’m interested in if they can logically justify an idea…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 01:15 AM
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Those options are not mutually exclusive. Option A does not attract women in and of itself, it only enhances the comfort of a woman who is already attracted to you. Option B is of course the ideal, but totally unnecessary. As I mentioned, all you need is for her to perceive you as having higher social status than her and demonstrate that other women are attracted to you because women’s sex drives are triggered heavily by mate choice copying. In my senior year of college I was the guy that set up…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 12:02 AM
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I missed where OP is advocating for mistreating women. Could you point it out to me?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 10:17 PM
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I think you’re honestly either missing the point or being deliberately obtuse. In either case, I’m not interested in continuing this chat. Best of luck to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 10:14 PM
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Yep. This is why you see dudes in the hood spend money on rims and gold chains instead of a better neighborhood. Be at the top of their relative status hierarchy and they flock to you. A rich skinny Jewish nerd will clean up in Manhattan or San Francisco. He’ll be invisible in the hood.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 10:11 PM
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For some guys on here that might honestly be enough for them. Who am I to judge?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 10:01 PM
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Just because one may choose to not consider what I said does not mean I didn’t make a point. It has several upvotes already so it seems people disagree with you. Of course I understand, but the point is it directly disproves the notion that misogyny in any form is a dealbreaker for women. As I mentioned, it can even be used strategically to demonstrate that one’s status so high they are “above the law” so to speak. That is something that can be very attractive to women. That’s not to say I would…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 10:00 PM
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Yes. Please tell me what I’m missing. It’s also not clear to me that he’s even interested in that. He’s just pointing out hypocrisy as far as I can tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 09:54 PM
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I think you’re conflating the absurd Andrew Tate caricature with the fundamental observations of RP. I haven’t seen any of the RP men in this very thread say anything like that. This is an odd strawman. It’s not idiotic at all to look at what is drawing those women to those men and distill that into actionable strategies. Again, it’s not necessary to become a famous rapper to have the same principles working for you. The president and vice president of my university’s ski club behaved similarly …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 09:52 PM
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How could you possibly know that?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 09:40 PM
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This is the fundamental BP fallacy- conflating how you would like a man to treat you with what makes you attracted to him in the first place. They are very different. Of course on a logical level the women would not want to be treated like trash, but they are attracted to the status and subconsciously hope to tame the beast. It’s a “tale as old as time” if you will ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 09:31 PM
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You don’t have to become a famous rap artist, just higher social status than her and preselected. Famous rappers just have it to the nth degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 09:09 PM
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It really does. It’s a shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 08:26 PM
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It seems that people in here are (probably deliberately) missing the point OP is making, and bypassing it with ridicule. When the average guy asks, “how can I find a sexual partner?”, the conventional (BP) crowd tells him to respect women, be patient with them, and show them you care. OP has seen now seen first hand what RP has said all along is much more effective- gain higher social status than them and demonstrate preselection and let them come to you. As an added bonus you might provide drug…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 07:53 PM
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Now that you mention it, that’s actually spot on. In the actual economy, they talk about companies which are “too big to fail” privatizing gains and socializing losses, while individuals and small companies are left to die if their money runs out. In this scenario, women are “too big to fail” in that all of the safety nets are designed to protect them, even though they are free to outperform men should they choose to. There’s no risk to them. Meanwhile for men it’s sink or swim.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 01:53 PM
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I do what I can :)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 10:54 PM
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I’m not the one putting people down for enjoying male friendships
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 10:41 PM
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And successful people by definition are a minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 10:09 PM
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You’re really out here trying to shame women who prefer to have male friends? Good lord talk about letting people live in your head rent free. “All women should be empowered to make any** decision they want personally and professionally!” **(As long as they agree with me and I approve of them)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 10:06 PM
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Without painting clear tiers of what ‘league’ consists of it’s not even possible to evaluate objectively. We can approach objectivity with a large enough statistical sample size, though. The numbers on dating app swipes are well documented. Women swipe left on 80% to 90% of men, while men swipe right on around 50% of women. That gives a pretty good picture of what women feel like their league is, even if it's unrealistic. I understand you dislike the fact that men who cannot get dates are not a …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 07:15 PM
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Lol what an absurd strawman. Think about Tinder. Who is going to get more likes? A tatted up convict who is in good shape or a skinny pale dude with glasses? Who would probably make a better boyfriend according to standard conventional wisdom? The point of RP is to point out that what we say in public and how people actually behave when no one is looking are often very different. BTW this isn't a moral judgment. It's just a statement about sexual preferences. Rejecting one person is too small a …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 07:04 PM
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It's not that girls love bad boys, it's that bad boys are more sexually attractive than harmless men. Being concerned with rights and safety and sexual attraction are completely different arenas. Sexual attraction is not logical. It's an entirely subconscious process. Humans make these decisions subconsciously and then use the rational mind to try and create a story that sounds good for why they chose things. This is a scientifically documented process.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 06:58 PM
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This post is basically the perfect instance of BP delusion and casual misandry wrapped up nicely on a tee for RP to crush out of the park. It has everything. A blatant example of most men being invisible and then when proven to OP, having most men disregarded as “not important (to dating dynamics)”. No accountability on OP for only choosing men out of their league who won’t commit, and instead blaming hookup culture on modern men, when in reality there are plenty of men willing to commit to OP b…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 05:22 PM
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You’re assuming other women are thinking different than you. They’re not for the most part. You’re also buying in to the myth that women’s sexuality is pure and innocent in nature. It’s not. Attractive does not mean upstanding citizen or good employee. It means raw attractiveness, typically physical or high social status. Men in prison have higher partner counts than the average skinny accountant.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 04:06 PM
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You’re assuming other women are thinking different than you. They’re not for the most part. You’re also buying in to the myth that women’s sexuality is pure and innocent in nature. It’s not. Men in prison have higher partner counts than the average skinny accountant.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 04:04 PM
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It’s a guarantee they are. The ‘80’ men struggle to even get one date. Tally up all your left swipes and compare to your right swipes. It’s probably about 9 left swipes per right swipe. Now realize that most women swiped right on the same few men. Voila.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 05:29 AM
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Everyone who is single and looking is part of the dynamics. Women just ignore the vast majority of men, but they are still there. Also, it’s not a match if one person is not seeking the same level of commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 05:27 AM
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Women would rather share a professional athlete than have exclusive access to an average man. This culture is a result of women’s choices, not men. If all the women on Earth banded together tomorrow and said “no sex before commitment”, then that’s exactly what would happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 04:30 AM
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lol I actually enjoy anal with my girlfriend. The point was there are some things that you don’t have to try to know you won’t enjoy. Sex with men is one of those things for straight men. Y’all are something else 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 12:37 AM
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You view on this seems fixed. Best of luck on your journey.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 11:58 PM
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lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 11:52 PM
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Bottom line on top- nothing you have said is incorrect, but you haven't made any effort to invalidate your perspective or zoom out to verify its accuracy. You're still only letting in evidence that supports your claim. If you only look at what you feel like looking at, you're never going to get an accurate picture. Have you ever seen this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwPmAS8DTGU Let me ask you this- what evidence would you accept that your perspective is inaccurate? If the answer is no…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 11:38 PM
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I’m not going to deny your experience. I believe that men have done awful things to you. But you’re saying experience generates bias in a logical way while ignoring innate bias and the way new cognitive biases are formed. All experience gets filtered by the mind. There is simply too much information for us to handle, so the mind creates shorthand in the form of bias. The strongest bias that exists is for safety. The mind will amplify anything related to danger, far beyond what is prudent. I’ve b…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 10:34 PM
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No one’s value can be captured by a dating app profile. No one.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 09:37 PM
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Women (and men for that matter) get their minds warped by the alien world of Tinder, and then carry that warped mind back into meatspace where it proliferates as a mind virus. Tinder is not confined to itself. It influences everyone’s perceptions and creates toxic cognitive biases that over time become beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 09:33 PM
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Spot on
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 09:30 PM
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It’s a shame when men do this. Make a great point that will change peoples’ minds, and then ruin it with an unnecessary and stupid misogynistic statement. Hopefully it’s a false flag psyop and they don’t actually think it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 07:39 PM
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There are some wacky ideas on here across the board, but most comments are quite reasonable. I think the mainstream narrative has become so casually misandrist that when someone points it out, it can seem jarring to people who haven’t looked behind the curtain.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 03:13 PM
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No. I’m saying it’s not possible to reliably distinguish between a legitimate attempt and a cry for help if the person is using a method that isn’t 100% reliable. Anyone can easily find a tall building or rock to jump off. If they do, they meant it. If they take too many pills in a place people will find them, there’s too much noise in that signal to know what their true intentions were.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 03:10 PM
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Have you ever eaten poop?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 02:59 PM
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It’s reasonable to assume that when someone really wants to kill themselves they will. Any method that is not consistently effective is often just a cry for help, rather than an earnest attempt.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 02:55 PM
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Wow that’s actually super accurate. Although I would argue the zero sum nature is being imposed by feminists and not the other way around. I think most men are happy to cooperate with women, but the core feminists really don’t like men and this frame everything as a battle. Then as you say, they shame any male activity that prevents them from gaining or preserving ground. They’ve taken over most of media so they try to control the mainstream narrative as well. Many feminists would like to see me…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 01:52 PM
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I’ve seen the second but never the first and third.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 01:42 PM
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I think that’s a little reductive. If a woman was perfect in every other way this wouldn’t be a dealbreaker for me. But to each his own.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 02:12 AM
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I don’t disagree entirely. My point is it’s not smart to risk your own standing to spite a culture you deem unhealthy. As a parallel example, my dad is a Marxist who despises patriarchy and capitalism and basically fought that battle by raising us in poverty and with dogmatic anti-work and anti-authoritarian ethics. His way of sticking to the man was raising us to be non competitive in this culture. Just because he likes to not work and smoke weed he forced that mindset on his children. As an in…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 02:01 AM
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The place to fight that battle is not your own relationship. It’s in public discourse.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 12:07 AM
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If you can’t find a woman become gay????? The world has truly lost its mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 10:48 PM
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I both agree and disagree. My parents on occasion gave me advice on what to do proactively, which was consistently terrible, but they had a longggg list of don’ts which basically served to neuter my sexuality and make me beta. Additionally, society does this as well. I basically was raised to internalize that male sexuality is bad. I guarantee a lot of the young men who do well had dads coaching them in the basics. And that goes a long way. The problem is that because men have to lead the dance,…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 10:46 PM
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Makes sense based on economic pressures. Class mobility is really hard nowadays. If you’re middle class you’re hanging on to it by a thread and kids are a luxury you can’t afford. If you’re poor with no prospects, fuck it get wasted and bang. If you’re wealthy you’re above economic pressure so you don’t need to worry. This kind of bifurcation has long been speculated about in sci-fi. Interesting to see it happening in realtime.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 10:15 PM
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For the genes to make it to the next round, they have to survive and reproduce. You just gotta be smarter than a bear for the first half. For the second half a woman needs to pick you out of all her available choices. That’s the bottleneck and gene optimizer. This is a discussion about base instinct, not prudent rational behavior. In the modern world, the middle and upper classes have much better access to birth control and family planning resources and mindset. This introduces an override to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 09:42 PM
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I don’t think this disproves the thesis. He said low intelligence was selected against, not hyper-intelligence is selected FOR. Basically, there’s a threshold they won’t go below. But being 4 standard deviations above the mean isn’t any better than being 1. If you’re physically weak, neither one matters at all. Most women can’t tell the difference between John von Neumann and a high school math teacher in terms of intelligence. But they can sure as hell tell the difference between the average du…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 09:24 PM
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You’re making that assumption based on what should logically be selected for in today’s technologically advanced and sterilized society. That kind of intelligence is useless if you’re too weak to physically defend yourself and tribe from saber toothed tigers and rival tribes. That’s the environment the selectivity is tuned to.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 09:00 PM
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I agree with the premise that women aren’t great at picking men. But that’s only because their sex drive is about 80,000 years out of date. It works spectacularly well for the Paleolithic era. That’s how we came to be apex predators. It fails miserably for a modern democratic society. Not their fault it exists, but their responsibility to understand and compensate for in 2024. Everyone’s responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 08:55 PM
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That was a lot to read, but I think I can boil it down to “scary, troubling, and awkward experiences with men during youth and adolescence set women up to be skittish around men”. I don’t disagree, and I applaud your dispassionate analysis, but it’s still just a symptom and not the root cause. None of that would really matter if the female mind wasn’t biased against men to begin with. The bad stuff is sticky and the good and neutral stuff gets forgotten quickly. It’s a safety measure that’s buil…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 08:13 PM
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Lmao I didn’t think it was you. Hence I replied to my own comment and not yours. Someone just mass downvoting cause they’re sad. I appreciate the compliment. I’m on here because I think people legitimately just don’t know things and I try to help. Don’t take life too serious! 🙂
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 06:39 PM
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I love when people downvote without a rebuttal. Especially to goodwill. Gooooood. Let the cowardice flow through you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 06:07 PM
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You seem to have a fixed view on this. I won’t try to change it. Best of luck to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 05:36 PM
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There’s no way you watched the video that fast 🤣🤣🤣. Please give it a look. I’m not sure why I would assume you’re ugly. I’m not an asshole. I think we might be talking past each other. It’s healthy to be realistic. It’s a reflection of someone who acknowledges what needs to be done to be successful. Objectively, women ghost and reject a majority of men. That’s not a pessimistic thing to say. Especially since it doesn’t matter what some anonymous person thinks about a contrived online version of …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 05:06 PM
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“Thats an unhealthy mindset to have. I'd prefer to not date someone this pessimistic honestly.” It’s not though. It’s just realistic. I guess it’s unhealthy if you let it affect you, but I don’t. It’s just acknowledging that the vast majority of approaches fail. And that’s ok. I do quite well on the apps. I can get dates when I want them. I’m seeing someone now I met on Tinder. She’s much more attractive than many women that have straight up ghosted me. I don’t take it personally. It’s just a nu…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 04:54 PM
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I hope this is satire
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 04:20 PM
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No individual human owes another individual human affection. Or much of anything for that matter. However, communities and societies owe their citizens a viable path to success. Otherwise, nothing works and we descend back into lawlessness.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 04:18 PM
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Truly a bizarre suggestion
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 04:15 PM
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I can see how that’s frustrating. From your perspective it seems insultingly low effort. For some perspective, the OLD experience and the job hunt experience are identical for men. It’s a numbers game and there’s no way around it. Is it a better strategy for a job hunter to spend the time to cater the perfect resume and perfect cover letter for a handful of applications, just to get rejected and ghosted by all of them? Or is it better to just spray and pray and rely on the law of large numbers? …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 04:14 PM
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Men as a class have never oppressed women as a class, either. This is just an unsubstantiated emotional trigger feminism uses to get people to turn their brains off so from then on they can operate permanently from a place of righteous indignation. In the history of the world oppression in the way you describe has been based on class and race, not gender. Men as a class only received the right to vote about 20 years before women did, and that was because of the selective service. Conveniently, y…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 02:02 PM
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I don’t think they’ve lost it as much as it’s never been necessary until now. Women have always formed networks and the partnered men just get absorbed into them. Previous generations of men were sent to war together and worked in the same company their whole lives while their wives managed the family’s social life. This is still the case for my married friends. I’m a go-getter so I taught myself these skills in my early 20’s and I’ve moved every few years so I find it relatively easy. I do my b…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 01:04 AM
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A downvote with no rebuttal. How brave.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 05:21 PM
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jfc
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 04:26 PM
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There are many different aspects of privilege, and while the point is well-taken that historically men monopolized economic opportunity, we can look in other places to see where women have been historically and currently privileged. People, and therefore women, tend to focus solely on where they feel slighted. In your case, you point out job and economy. It's good point. Men would point to: Rates of college enrollment and completion Workplace fatalities Rates of homelessness Funding for gender-s…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 04:16 PM
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Up until extremely recently, the advice fathers, mothers, and society handed down to sons was, "get a good job, respect women and buy them flowers, provide for your family and work hard". Basically, be physically and emotionally expendable for the sake of your family. This advice worked great for many generations. Before women were economically independent, the KEY factors in selecting husbands were 1) Can he provide? and 2) will he hurt you? Nothing else really mattered. In fact, being relative…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 04:04 PM
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I would say that culturally enforced monogamy was so effective for so long that people didn’t even realize how deeply it had become entrenched in the human psyche, even if it wasn’t the natural instinct. Contrary to old school wisdom, monogamy with a man (without first accounting for social status) is not the female sex drive’s preference. The base instinct is to wait and mate with the hottest male that she knows, and lock down betas for provisioning purposes in the meantime. Our culture masked …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 09:33 AM
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That’s exactly what happens. Especially since average and below men are quite literally invisible to them. When women hit 40 and complain about becoming “invisible”, they are simply becoming equally as visible as 90% of men. It’s no surprise that they don’t like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 06:05 PM
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For death by snu snu I like Alice. Assuming she’s got big tits and ass to match being a bit overweight I’m game. I actually really like that body type. Even though I’m 6’1” I don’t really like women over 5’5”. Minus the tattoos everything else is a massive plus and it sounds like we’d get along great. Melissa is just straight up not my type. Jenny sounds pleasant but boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 05:04 PM
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I agree with that
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 04:17 PM
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Come on man, let’s normalize respecting one another. These little things are important in terms of building a culture that people want to live in. People deserve respect. Would you really teach your children to just walk away from people mid-conversation or be flaky. I’m all for stoicism because life is simply a PITA much of the time, but decorum is important. It doesn’t make you “cool” to not care about flaking and ghosting in our culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 03:37 PM
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Sure. I’m not suggesting that. I’m saying that human beings owe each other respectful communication. Totally fine if the level of interest changes or was never really there in the first place. Happens to me sometimes. Flaking or ghosting is disrespectful and unnecessary and poisons the well for everyone. A simple respectful note verbalizing no further interest isn’t too much to ask and should be standard practice. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/01/well/ghosting-dating.html?unlocked_article_code…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 02:29 PM
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Still not excusable behavior on the part of women. Or men for that matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 02:04 PM
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You think women don’t play games? Make a male profile on Tinder and you’ll see for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 01:30 AM
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I didn’t mention anything about the topic. I made a universal observation about effective communication. No matter what the topic is, the properties of effective communication are universal. No one cares how you feel about a subject. They care about how you can make THEM feel about the subject, as they should. I could post a 10 page poorly written manifesto, full of spelling and grammar errors, of my beliefs on any subject and it would be very silly for me to think that anyone would care. The on…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 10:20 PM
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I actually didn’t read it. I saw a wall of text and tuned out. Nothing personal. I only have so much time in a day.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 10:11 PM
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It actually is a reflection on you as a communicator though. A communicator’s job is to convey the point in a way that makes understanding it as easy as possible for the listener. That means be as clear and concise as possible, while selecting your tone and words carefully for the particular audience. If you don’t, and you think communicating is all about you, then you will fail to communicate and it will be your fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 08:01 PM
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It actually is a reflection on you as a communicator though. A communicator’s job is to convey the point in a way that makes understanding it as easy as possible for the listener. That means be as clear and concise as possible, while selecting your tone and words carefully for the particular audience. If you don’t, and you think communicating is all about you, then you will fail to communicate and it will be your fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 08:01 PM
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It’s become a matriarchy for sure. The majority of power is held by women and the average woman holds far more power than the average man. Women have always had a monopoly on social power. Now they are outpacing men in both political and economic power. It only FEELS like men have more power because they’re still not satisfied (and never will be, cause that’s life). So rather than be introspective they keep running the same playbook of the patriarchal boogeyman. Men need to wake up and start boy…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 05:21 PM
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I don’t have a problem with Chad and Stacy having privilege. Every phenomenon appears on a spectrum. What I have a problem with is Stacy denying her privilege and not having empathy for men. Ugly women and underperforming men need a path to success. Feminism gave that to ugly women. We need to recognize the plight of average and under men, empathize with them, and provide them a viable path to prosperity. We also need to have a set of ethical principles around female privilege just like we have …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 04:07 PM
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Yeah. We’ve stacked the deck in favor of women at every turn AND told them they’re perfect at birth AND told them men are guilty of original sin for being born male AND somehow convinced the more hateful ones that there’s a conspiracy amongst men to lock them down at every turn. It’s insanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:58 PM
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Agreed. Any totally free market ends up getting completely cornered by the participant who gets an edge. At that point the market collapses because value exchange becomes impossible. This is what the board game Monopoly was created to illustrate. It is why we need common sense cultural regulations on the free market of sexuality, which as critically thinking humans capable of empathy we should be able to manage. Otherwise, the market will collapse. It’s already starting.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:39 PM
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ABCDEF -12 KL +7 Piece of cake Power couple vibes
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:18 PM
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Other than no father, I agree this is pretty ideal. It actually describes the woman I’m seeing now
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:08 PM
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Not really. Women love children and pets unconditionally. They love men conditionally. Nature’s ruthless way of ensuring strong genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 05:52 AM
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Both the past and the future. The monogamy experiment was so successful it ate itself and produced a culture that drove sexuality back to base instinct by removing all physical threats to our species.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 04:43 AM
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It already happened in this thread in a comment I replied to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 04:40 AM
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This is moving the goalposts quite significantly. “no blue pill is surprised that there are beauty standards and some men are more valuable than others” That is NOT what is being expressed here. What is happening here is average women saying they want the only “attractive” guy in the room, or nothing. I can assure you this was not normal when I started dating in the early 2000’s. If men treated you right and were deferential and chivalrous you were expected to give them a shot. Granted, I struck…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 04:33 AM
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Agree to disagree. Good luck out there friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 10:52 PM
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Eh, don’t take it too seriously. You can move from BB to AF if the woman sees that other women want you. The opposite is also true. You can move from AF to BB if you fail a shit test. These things aren’t static.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 10:44 PM
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No. The women are still judging the men based on the conditioned ranking scale they have been developing over their entire lifetimes. If every man on earth was a supermodel they would find subtle ways to distinguish the TOP supermodels. Why is it that a 5/10 man in the US can go to Bogota and is now a 9/10? It ain’t looks. I don’t think supermodel is the right metric, because Patrick Mahomes is not a supermodel but almost any woman would fuck him. But, the point is well taken. There are scientif…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 10:38 PM
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Sad but true lmao. Is she making rules for you or is she breaking rules for you? That’s how you know. BTW this varies woman to woman. Some women may see me as a BB candidate and some as an AF candidate. You can tell by how much investment she expects from you before getting sexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 10:22 PM
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That’s an interesting result! But I don’t think it’s an accurate representation because the sample pool is the entire world rather than one village. When the researchers gave them 10 men selected at random (which is the more accurate representation), they only found 1 or 2 of them attractive. It’s easy to find 10 attractive men out of a pool of 3.5 billion when intentionally selecting them. It’s extremely unlikely to pick 10 men at random out of 3.5 billion and have all of them be attractive. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 10:06 PM
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When I was younger I couldn’t believe this was true. Probably because I didn’t experience it myself and I bought into the fantasy that women are innocent angels. Now that I have money and looks and status, I get the freaky shit and they’re into it. In a way it’s disappointing because you see the “poor innocent women” act is just a front they use to gain leverage and cover their tracks.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 09:30 PM
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Right, but women mate select on a relative basis. If there’s only one man in her village she’ll pair with him willingly. If there are two men she’ll wait for the more attractive one, and only mate with the less attractive one when she’s desperate to have a child. Conversely, both men would probably willingly mate with her if she had a bare minimum level of attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 09:11 PM
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Gaslighting 101- when someone posts bulletproof evidence of their claim, discredit the source and criticize their judgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 08:34 PM
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I lived in Germany for two years and picking up women was like shooting fish in a barrel compared to back in the states. The women were also much more polite and feminine than their American counterparts. I think most of this is just the perceived novelty/exotic factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 08:30 PM
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Yeah I feel like this is a place where women tell on themselves. Perhaps they feel a female majority would vote solely in your interest of women at the cost of men, then men must be doing the same. Only policy record matters. Gender is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 05:14 AM
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There's a huge problem with these studies- scope bias. I'm not saying the numbers are inaccurate, I'm saying a study published by the World Economic Forum is going to be looking strictly at economic metrics, not holistic lifestyle and quality of life metrics. I think this is a key place where feminists fail to see the forest for the trees. If you only look at the metrics where men have a seeming advantage, you will forever see injustice and inequality. If you zoom out and sum up ALL advantages a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 07:48 PM
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Spot on.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 05:31 PM
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Holy shit brother I think you just permanently solved PPD. For me, at least. I always felt that feminists were being disingenuous but could never put my finger on exactly why. Radfems are the equivalent of incels. Realizing they cannot harness the immense power of feminine allure they seek to discard the feminine/masculine dichotomy altogether and degrade male dignity in an attempt to siphon masculine power. Then they use guerilla tactics like online brigading, media manipulation, and hiding beh…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 05:26 PM
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Brilliant comment
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 09:12 PM
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Yeah it’s a gaslighting sub
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 09:06 PM
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Keep going brother. You got a sub.
/r/MensRights06/06/24 05:30 AM
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Brother, I wouldn’t bother further. She’s clearly demonstrated bad faith here and is willing to delete and censor comments that don’t serve the agenda. She’s unwilling to admit she made a mistake and hides behind the excuse that it’s a debate sub. Even though it says “Question what you believe” right in the description of the sub, she refuses to do so. Then she goes on to belittle people that disagree and deletes her own comments to cover the tracks. It’s honestly kind of sickening to see and do…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 07:28 PM
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I responded because I actually look forward to discussing things with people who are genuinely curious and eager to learn something new. I'm interested in bringing women and men closer together and healing these idiotic gender wars. I'm not interested in trying to change someone's mind who has a strongly held opinion. That's a waste of time and energy. I was excited when you were asking open ended questions and thought that you were actually curious, rather than trying to persuade me of your per…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 04:22 PM
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Interesting that you deleted the post displaying glee that you can “hack” the system by doing this. Relying on manipulative tactics to gain influence is really destructive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 03:05 PM
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You’re really just a mean person
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 02:48 PM
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Warning to all readers of this thread: OP has phrased this as a Q4M but created it to debate any answers that don’t agree with her already strongly held opinion. Namely- she thinks WAW is warranted based on current social conditions. This is an inappropriate use of Q4M and an abuse of mod power.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 02:43 PM
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Oh boy. Please read my edit. It’s alarming that you’d see a chance to deceive and abuse your mod power as a hack. Get help
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 02:36 PM
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That’s better. Thank you. Edit: Actually, not quite. The debate flair is at the bottom and everything is framed in terms of curiosity. It’s still a bait and switch because it’s not making it clear at the outset you have your mind made up already and won’t accept contrary answers. I would not have responded had I known this going in. And the rules of the subreddit shouldn’t conform to how any of our individual brains work. Including yours. This is still intentional deception.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 02:29 PM
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OP, given you’re a mod, I think you need to change this to a CMV since you clearly came in with an agenda to prove WAW is warranted based on current social conditions. People are answering you earnestly and you’re dismissing their answers every time it doesn’t align with your opinion. That’s CMV territory. Otherwise you’re acting in bad faith and it’s dishonest.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 02:08 PM
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It seems like OP phrased this as an open minded investigation but has actually been trying to push the conversation toward “the bias is justified cause men are scary and women really are more wonderful than men”. Even when presented with reasonable evidence it’s, “nope my experience is that men actually deserve to be treated with undue skepticism”. Disappointing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 04:59 AM
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This comment represents a poor understanding of evolutionary psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 04:13 AM
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The number of people who believe something is not evidence that the something is true. Everyone on Earth can believe it is flat, or that birds aren't real. That doesn't make it true. Sure, it can be helpful to find out how many people think something. "N number of people think X" is a fact. Surveys have value! But again, people's beliefs don't really prove anything other than they believe stuff. And even THAT can be faulty. "Because N number think X, then Y is true" is a fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 03:20 AM
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I said, "When doing science or law, lived experience can be entered as anecdotal but cannot be used to conclusively prove anything." You said I said (paraphrasing), "Open ended responses provide no value". They can provide insight. They cannot be used to conclusively prove anything. When asking, "Why does measurable phenomenon X occur?", people's opinions are not really helpful. Statistical analysis and falsifiable experimentation are.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 02:57 AM
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People's responses (ie opinions) aren't scientific. That's the point. The human mind is incredibly fallible, easy to fool, and prone to delusion. Asking people why they think something is a poor means of determining anything. There aren't any facts to be found. Just conjecture. It doesn't mean they're wrong. It just means the odds they are are just too low for there to be an meaningful signal amidst the noise.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 02:51 AM
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We can change the example to an average man and an average woman and the outcome would be the same. I only mentioned homeless men because they are in dire need of compassion but rarely receive any. Threat of violence is a component of WAW. It's another innate instinct. In the prehistoric world, it's much better to be overly cautious in the 99% of harmless cases than to risk one fatal mistake. Therefore, the long term game theory dictates excess caution even though it's misplaced more often than …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 02:39 AM
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Sure. The answer is the same in every case. Our biology is basically identical to our ancestors who lived 200,000 years ago. Imagine a world where you live in a tribe of 40 people. Every year, multiple die because of disease, predators, starvation, you name it. Half the babies die before they make it to child-bearing age. In this world, two kinds of people are very, very precious. Men who can lead, protect, and hunt, and women. The women don't need to provide any additional value. However, a man…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 02:10 AM
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It’s just a simple cognitive bias in favor of women. Who’s more likely to receive compassion from a random person on the street, an average woman who seems sad, or a homeless man? Who would seemingly actually need it more? Who faces more hostility when trying to join social groups? Why are there orders of magnitude more women’s shelters than men’s shelters when women are actually statistically more likely to engage in domestic violence? Here’s an experiment of reactions to gendered violence in p…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 01:53 AM
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Your view on this seems fixed. I won’t try to change it. The simplest answer is usually the most accurate. Men are not a monolith. 3 out of 4 homeless people are men. These people are not oppressing anyone, are more deserving of compassion than a woman doing OK in life, yet they receive less. Why? Because our human minds are biased. It’s that simple. Our minds are predisposed to victimhood and fingerpointing. It’s addictive and is exploited by social media algorithms to drive engagement. If you …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 03:24 PM
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It’s understandable to be annoyed but I think I might be able to shed some light on things that maybe you haven’t considered. 1) Men are naturally empathetic and compassionate toward women. It’s in our DNA to protect them. It’s helped our species survive. Sperm is cheap and eggs are very very expensive. Having never been on this side it’s something that is invisible to most women. Women are also generally empathetic and compassionate toward other women. This is not extended to men. It’s a cognit…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 04:40 AM
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I don’t think anyone is waiting around for women to fix anything. All I’ve really seen is men asking for compassion as best they know how and either shutting down or getting angry in response to the contempt they receive in return. Your tone seems unnecessarily skeptical, competitive, and dismissive. Why? I haven’t given your any reason to react that way. Your work is commendable! That’s great and I’m happy to hear it. To answer your question, I’m a full time caregiver for my mom, but the little…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 03:28 AM
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It lies on everyone. Just as the feminist movement rightly points out that women’s problems should be everyone’s concern and call on men to help, this situation is no different. How is wanting people to find happiness controversial? Happy people don’t hurt others. They generally are helpful. How does it hurt women for men to be happy? It’s honestly disheartening how women can be so callous in this regard. Let’s boost each other up!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 02:52 AM
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An observation that would support the hypothesis that the social contract has become rigged against them. If it doesn’t take much for them to be happy, and we’re hardcore failing to do so, something is amiss. In my equation above, I’d say we are failing to support them in terms of community. It’s a natural consequence of eroding the invisible framework that used to support them emotionally (their wives/families/coworkers). Not saying we should rewind the clock in that regard, just that now that …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 02:22 AM
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I think this is a bit of a distortion. Men are generally very low maintenance in terms of wants and needs compared to women. Give men food, community, and a meaningful job and they’re generally good to go. Some of the happiest days of my life were in the military when I was deployed to Qatar working 12 hour days 7 days a week in 120 degree heat. But I had my boys and I was well fed so I was happy. In exchange for being low maintenance in every other regard, nature dials up their sexual desire to…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 12:11 AM
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Strong agree with this. We spent decades portraying blue collar men as bumbling fools in tv and movies. This subconsciously programs women to find them to be low status and therefore unattractive. If we start celebrating them and portraying them as effective and important people I think this would actually go a long way in improving things. Women generally want a guy they can show off.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 12:04 AM
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It’s collective bargaining as a gender. Hoe_math has a really good video on this. It explains the phenomenon of women calling themselves and all other women 10’s in public. In public they will form a united front so that women as a class will be empowered relative to men as a class, but individually and in private behave much differently. Honestly it explains a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 11:02 AM
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Sure, every situation is different, as is every man. I’m at a place in my life where I can attract women easily now on apps or in clubs, which is far easier than meeting lots of new people in terms of time and energy. But I have lots of money and success and confidence now. When I was younger and all I had was an interesting personality, I didn’t have anything to woo them “from the window”, but I would get warm introductions from friends, and that was what worked. 90% of guys don’t have the game…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 04:21 AM
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The “easiest” way is social circle. Invest in making many friends, especially with women. Friends of friends is by far the most effective way of landing an attractive woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 01:21 AM
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Yeah you nailed it. I’ve also come to realize that as a man I actually don’t have a problem with women, or anyone, having an advantage. The problem is simultaneously having many advantages and then still insisting that you’re disadvantaged to the point that it becomes hatred and resentment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 02:45 PM
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I think this is a relic from the time when women were only housewives and therefore were lower in status than men. Before if a man worked hard, treated you right, and had other endearing qualities you locked him up. Now that women are outperforming men in the workforce, looks have re-emerged as most important.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 05:12 AM
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I think the argument is that it’s what the game theory dictates is the best course of action to take given the situation. It’s a prisoner’s dilemma. Do you play the monogamy game, knowing that it will make you the backup option in her eyes while she pursues the player (knowingly or unknowingly)? Or you do spin plates because it’s the best chance to get your needs met while simultaneously having some nsa fun in the process? If women insist on chasing only unattainable men, then RP suggests you ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 03:44 PM
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Torture and imprisonment? Wtf?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 03:22 PM
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Biological imperative does not equal sensible pursuit. The male sexual imperative is to impregnate as many young fertile women as possible, even if that means you’ll never see them again. The female imperative is to be impregnated by the highest status man possible, even if that means sharing him. Both of these are suboptimal and extremely antisocial outcomes if practiced.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 03:19 PM
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I think you have it backwards. I was raised to be nice, sweet, thoughtful, courteous, soft, and gentle towards women. I was told by my family and society at large that male sexuality is a good thing to mock and ridicule. My late teens were filled with loneliness being the sensitive guy that women supposedly like. I got cheated on and walked over by my first girlfriend. Needless to say, that shit didn’t work. What did work was being emotionally unavailable, more aggressive than I thought was appr…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 03:14 PM
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So this is the tone you would use in a public setting with someone you were having a civil conversation with? I would never say “wtf” “sounds like a you problem” “you sound inexperienced” or imply someone with an opposing opinion is somehow inferior while engaging in discourse. Calling people losers and condescendingly saying sweetie in a passive aggressive way is not helpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 06:25 PM
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Why do you have to put me down? I didn't put you down. I just said I didn't agree with your statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 04:43 PM
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Lol why are you making this personal? I didn't say I had this problem. You're bringing unnecessary hostility to the conversation. Why are you so angry?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 04:35 PM
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Men orgasm on accident, women can only orgasm on purpose. That's the whole explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 04:19 PM
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This is not helpful. Someone points out, "hey we should support men more". And your response is just a more feminine version of "man up", and saying it's their fault because they need to socialize more like women. Fuck that man. This is a feminist version of original sin. It's ok to say that men need help AND it's also not their fault. Your post basically says men need to change before we can help them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 04:10 PM
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Women like bad boys because they’re exciting, make others jealous to fuck, and, most importantly, also allows them to be irresponsible and lazy as well. Bad boys represent indulgence in behaviors that are pleasurable but have consequences. This doesn’t work long term because every part of that equation is unsustainable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 11:59 PM
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Don't shoot the messenger. Like I said I don't really care what you do and I have no control over your blood pressure, the quality of your work, or the quality of your relationships. You'll have to answer to nature, not me. No one ever made a name for themselves through indulgence.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 11:45 PM
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Thanks for your comment. I agree that men need to take responsibility and accountability for themselves. It would be absurd to say that women walking wearing yoga pants and tank tops are somehow a problem. You're absolutely right, a woman just existing in her body is in no way some kind of abuse against men. That would be absurd. I'm making a different claim. I'm saying that attractive women are handed a kind of "get out of jail free" card for their age 16-36 years, and many of them abuse that p…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 04:54 PM
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SMH. I don't know what you expect men to do at this point. Have some compassion for both men and women. We have to read a lot of signs. If someone intentionally displays all the commonly agreed signs to you that they are sexually interested and advances are welcome and then at the end pulls the rug out, that's just messed up. It's their prerogative for sure, but it poisons the well drastically. Unlike women, we don't get pursued all the time. We have to put a lot of work in. If enough women beha…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 05:04 PM
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As I mentioned in another comment, we had been making out and groping each other during the date. Then invite over happened at 2:30 AM. It was clearly not platonic. She's trying to find some small sliver of logic where this behavior was appropriate. It wasn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 04:48 PM
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Intentionally obtuse is her MO my friend. That's why I gave up. She's clearly not debating in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 04:46 PM
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This is a different situation entirely, then. We had been making out and groping each other during the date. After this, I said I was going home and she said to go back to her place instead. It was clearly an invitation for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 04:45 PM
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Lol, no. There had been no penetration. We were getting into position. I was trying to not be graphic. I will not disappoint you again! Please find it within your heart of hearts to forgive me for making your reading experience more difficult than it needed to be. I should add, for clarity's sake, that we had been making out and groping each other during the date before she asked me to come home with her. Inviting me back at that point was clearly an invitation for sex for anyone with a modicum …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 04:35 PM
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Yeah I can see that. If they have low confidence that you like them they might need constant reassurance through pressure that you actually are interested. Sometimes it’s tough as a guy to remember that women might be insecure with a guy that really like, because we mostly see women getting hit on all the time and it’s hard to imagine them not being confident. I usually feel like I’m the one who needs to prove myself to them. Thanks for this.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 03:41 PM
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Great response. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 04:19 AM
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Thanks for the response.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 04:17 AM
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Thanks for that insight.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 03:21 AM
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No need to apologize. Red pill can certainly be used in evil ways. I’m not trying to justify that. Two wrongs don’t make a right, I agree. Trying to obtain sex does not justify violating boundaries. Full agree. I think if you want to call red pill evil, then you have to call the darker sexual tactics of women evil as well. From my limited perspective, they are at least as frequent and devious as anything men do. I think it’s a bit disingenuous to downplay sexual fulfillment as not a need. Profes…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 02:46 AM
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For example, the top comment in the thread talks about his ex saying no the first time they had sex and then getting annoyed when he actually stopped. I had a similar experience where I respected a no, after being invited back to her place, and got my number blocked as a result. These kinds of dumb games happen often unfortunately. I'm inclined to believe they are restricted to the more mentally unwell ones, and that's what I'm trying to discern in this topic. The two women this happened with re…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 01:46 AM
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Thanks for this. Your story is what makes this whole thing so damn tricky. At this stage of my life, I agree that it's not worth the ethical risk to push past someone's boundaries, even if I'm reasonably confident that it's a facade. There's no way I would ever want to hurt anyone in that way. But look no further than the men's stories in this thread for examples of women using them as sick tests. It's a real thing and it's common. So, I would challenge your view that it is evil. It's just young…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 01:40 AM
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Thanks for this. I agree of course regarding attraction. The more particular point is, how do you avoid women who feel like recklessly testing boundaries (both yours and theirs) is an acceptable way of moving the relationship forward? Or is this to be expected from attractive women? For many of them, seeing you respect a weak or fake boundary is a turnoff. The men in here are pretty torn on this, for good reason. Some will say that you just have to assume they are shit tests and play the game. O…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 01:33 AM
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Cause dating isn’t easy and when you find someone you like it stings when it doesn’t work out. It’s temporary, but still. In the long run, yeah you’re better off without them. But the next day when you get that text that they’re not interested there’s a part of you that really regrets not pushing it because that sting can be brutal. But like I said, I don’t see a better way and my integrity is worth more than temporary pleasure with toxic strings attached.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 12:07 AM
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Or they’re playing games. Seems more likely to be the case. If you really needed to be up in the morning that’s something most sane people would establish beforehand. Not mention it randomly in the middle of the date.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 12:02 AM
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Well these women lied about several other things too. I’m going to trust my instincts on this. It’s not like they said it at the beginning. They said it in the middle of the date at a seemingly random time.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 11:36 PM
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I agree. I think the unfortunate reality is that taking no at face value guarantees you will miss out on sexual opportunities with women who just wanted you to push harder. I’ve come to the conclusion I’m just going to have to forfeit those opportunities as the juice ain’t worth the squeeze. I wish there was a better way but I’m not seeing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 11:29 PM
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I honestly think you’re missing the point. Everyone agrees that unchecked indulgence is unhealthy. Unchecked male sexual indulgence is unhealthy. Unchecked female sexual indulgence is unhealthy. I don’t think one is worse than the other. Only one has a rabid political movement behind it and one doesn’t. I’m just trying to pull off the blinders to something obvious. If I believe that unchecked male sexual indulgence is unhealthy (and I do), are you suggesting I want to control men’s penises?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 11:18 PM
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I would say monogamy is a great example of restraint, so I agree in that sense. Modern progressives are trying to argue that female + as many as possible is sustainable. The more that time goes by I’m less convinced that women want only one partner. Unless, of course, they have been brainwashed by the extreme empowerment (entitlement) narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 11:10 PM
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It is quite common and it’s unfortunate that women deny it, deflect, and resort to “consent can be withdrawn at any time”. Well, yeah, but it’s still a really shitty thing to do, especially if it’s a pattern. I’m trying to find a way to screen women ahead of time and avoid these headaches if possible:/
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 10:02 PM
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Yeah I got manipulated by a covert narcissist recently in exactly this way and it stung big time. I don’t really see another way though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 09:49 PM
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I understand this perspective, but I think it falls short for a couple reasons. One, it’s literally a lie and no one should be lying. Two, I think if you get in the habit of doing it too much and even once get carried away and stay out too late anyway, you may actually start to subconsciously use it as a filter for men. For example, “I told Mike I had an appointment in the morning but I had so much fun talking to him that I lost track of time!” Compared with Matt who respects it, but then subcon…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 09:45 PM
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I don’t support this view. The consequences of playing games will outweigh any temporary benefit gained. There’s more to life than sex, especially with someone who doesn’t respect themselves or you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 09:11 PM
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I'm going to end my discussion here. I don't think we're getting anywhere. My parting thought is to consider a world where it's coin flip that when women invite you back to their place that it's an indicator of interest. How would you choose to spend your time as a man in that scenario?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 06:56 PM
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Cool, thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 06:50 PM
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Women are welcome to say no whenever they want and it should always be respected. Still, I feel like you're intentionally giving her way too much benefit of the doubt and giving me zero, and I'm not sure why. It's ok to say women act in antisocial ways sometimes. In this case, I even suggested that I was going home at the end of the date, and she said, "no come back to my place".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 06:48 PM
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Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 06:41 PM
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She felt pressured to ask me out and invite me back to her place? Because that's what happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 06:40 PM
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"They are trying to be polite and make up an excuse as not to offend you." This is where RP would potentially disagree, and they sometimes have a point. That's what you would do. But that isn't what 100% of women would do. Regardless, I'm totally fine with it being a sign of disinterest and moving on. But I think it's important to realize that some women are using it as a test of your confidence and desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 06:39 PM
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Because they texted me at length during the time they claimed to have the appointment. "There's no need to make up an appointment either. They can not say anything at all and then end the date when they feel ready." We're in full agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 06:36 PM
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I think we're getting a little sidetracked here. My point was boundaries need to be honest and not a test if this is going to work. Full stop. But to your point, I made a comment below of one particular situation that happened to me a few years ago. I'll repost it here: " A few years ago one woman invites me back to her place, we get naked and it's game time. Right before we complete the act she says no. So I stop. We chat for a half hour then I head home. I wake up the next morning and she bloc…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 06:33 PM
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I think you're giving them a little too much wiggle room. You're telling me what you would personally do, not necessarily what happened in these cases. If you want to go home early, just say "I'm going home at 11". Done. No need to make up an appointment. BTW, I know for a fact these women did not have appointments.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 06:30 PM
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Great answer, thank you. Just FYI in these cases the women were lying because they texted me during the time they claimed to have an "appointment".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 06:27 PM
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Awesome. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 06:25 PM
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Thanks! This is helpful. I live in the bay area, so not conservative in the least lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 06:25 PM
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I think it's a valid critique but I would reframe it a bit. I think RP when taken to the extreme selects for emotionally unhealthy women, but I would stop short of it advocating for it. Most the RP guys I know are just insecure and confused but don't have totally black hearts.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 06:23 PM
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I'm with you. It's definitely not all women. In my experience it has been the ones that are going to be a real headache,
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 06:21 PM
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I see your point. In these cases I personally was putting zero pressure on them. They said it out of the blue. While I can sympathize with it being difficult to maintain boundaries, especially in tense situations like first dates. However, women need to be 100% consistent with this or it won't work. Yes needs to always mean yes. No needs to always mean no.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 06:20 PM
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Yeah, this has been my experience as well. A few years ago one woman invites me back to her place, we get naked and it's game time. Right before we complete the act she says no. So I stop. We chat for a half hour then I head home. I wake up the next morning and she blocked my number. I know that before and after our encounter she has had relationships with RP/PUA type guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 05:40 PM
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So you're saying the instant such a boundary pops up, I should just call the whole thing there and head home? I'm not opposed to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 05:33 PM
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"Women don't make it harder than necessary for guys that they want and they act open to it." I think this is the crux of the issue. RP would potentially disagree here and say they are testing your confidence and will voluntarily sleep with you if you disregard and bulldoze through. It's hard to deny that this is true at least some of the time. That's why I would change your statement to emotionally healthy women don't make it harder than necessary for guys that they want and they act open to it.…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 05:30 PM
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Cool, thanks. I'm with you. I would prefer to be in bed earlier as well. I'd like to make clear that these women, even when putting up the boundary, are saying it's an "appointment" which puts the responsibility for going home early on someone else's shoulders.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 05:19 PM
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Like instead of trying to always maintain dominance , leveling with them, being emotionally available and showing your cards early, ie "I think you're attractive" and welcome them into your space. It requires them to make a bit of a move as well, and it seems like the emotionally healthy ones are willing to, and the unhealthy ones are reluctant to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 05:18 PM
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Yes! Just like in every other aspect of life. It’s really not that complicated. Sexuality is great, just like chocolate, but it can easily turn destructive if we let base instinct rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 01:13 PM
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I guess you’ll just hear what you want to hear at this point. By that logic you must also think I want to legally restrict men’s sexuality and everyone’s eating habits. We have healthy cultural overrides for most places where base human instinct becomes antisocial and destructive. Sexuality should not be exempt.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 01:10 PM
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Good question. I made a previous post about accountability that was not as well received. I think we need a new ethical social framework now that religion has become antiquated. Hopefully if people can agree that this is common sense we can have a culture of transparency regarding new sexual norms and privileges. Then maybe we can develop common sense social accountability ethics that we can teach young people as they enter puberty. I think a common theme I see from the progressive crowd is that…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 04:14 AM
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I’m not even sure what this is supposed to mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 03:05 AM
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This is a bizarre comment tbh. I don’t see how it follows from anything being discussed in this thread. I don’t represent RP. Hell I don’t even consider myself to be RP. This post is just a reminder that unchecked indulgence is unhealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 02:58 AM
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I respectfully disagree. Someday you may find activities that are more enjoyable to you than sex. I have.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 11:13 PM
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This was a post about human behavior, not anatomy. The chain of logic goes: Women (and men!!!) engage in sexual indulgence -> All indulgences are ultimately unhealthy -> Women's (and men's!!!) engagement in sexual indulgence is ultimately unhealthy. That's it. I said nothing about restraining women. I made an observation. We should have an open discussion where people that make honest observations are not assumed to be misogynistic. What we choose to do with the information remains to be seen. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 11:05 PM
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You're good people.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 10:58 PM
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I totally get it, and I honestly think that’s awesome. I’m just saying I think this is the classic case of a man’s female friends thinking he’s an amazing guy because they’re familiar with him and really like his traits. However, every woman he encounters in the wild doesn’t know him from Adam and he has to prove himself from scratch. He has to compete with the most attractive guys in the bar, and he may not ever even get the chance to tell you about his life, because you already chose Chad over…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 09:36 PM
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Precisely.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 09:05 PM
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I feel like you intentionally didn’t try to understand my thesis if that’s what you took away.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 08:41 PM
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That’s great. Please note, however, that these are essentially men in your social circle and you would feel very differently if they were randoms at a bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 08:39 PM
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I didn’t make these terms up. Don’t shoot the messenger. And I agree our closet isn’t clean either.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 08:22 PM
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So the dark triad types or “bad boys” are intoxicating to women in much the same way young healthy voluptuous women are to men. The only problem is, these are NOT guys you would ever bring home to your parents. You probably wouldn’t even want to be their friend. But goddamn they are exciting and fun and the sex is amazing. These dudes often intentionally disregard your boundaries and are the type to send you home in an Uber immediately after they orgasm. Whether they actually are rotten people o…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 08:07 PM
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https://psychcentral.com/lib/beware-of-the-dark-triad I think I see where we might have crossed wires. It seems like you’re talking about the physical act of sex itself. And sure, as long as it’s fully consensual it’s not much different than jogging. I’m talking specifically about mate selection and the behavior of those mates before and after the encounter.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 07:51 PM
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Gonna have to disagree there. You didn’t see me at 18, parents gone for the week, and the girlfriend over. I’ve also slept with two different women on the same day more than once. I did not feel happy afterward. I felt like I had eaten a whole cake.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 06:36 PM
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This is laughably reductive. I have no interest in your vagina.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 06:34 PM
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I mean I don’t totally disagree. I would say that there’s a large overlap between the populations of war heros, athletes, and Tyrones tho lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 05:19 PM
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For sure. I engage in all of the above from time to time, and I think everyone has a right to as well. I was just pointing out that we have a cultural common sense surrounding overindulgence in most areas, but pointing out the specific instance in women’s sexual overindulgence gets you labeled a misogynist. It’s silly. Thanks for your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 05:14 PM
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Was going to say this as well. And surely they aren’t suggesting we should model our society after Bonobos?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 04:54 PM
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Bill Gates is one of maybe 20 such icons that can make that work. Compared to hundreds of thousands of Tyrones.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 04:46 PM
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Hey good for you. Not that sex is bad. On the contrary, it’s quite enjoyable, which is exactly what makes its pursuit potentially hazardous to your health in excess. Based on your report here it sounds like things might already be course-correcting. Thanks for your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 04:41 PM
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Nah people have personal vices and are a mixed bag. I don’t struggle with diet at all but I doomscroll too often. A common theme in human beings is to kick ass in one area and suck in others. Rome fell because of general decadence and apathy toward order. Not everyone was decadent in the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 04:37 PM
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I agree. The physical act of sex isn’t the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 04:32 PM
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That’s true. It’s just if you’re going head to head with Tyrone who’s ripped to shreds at a bar you’ll be at a huge disadvantage if you’re competing on “contribution to society”. Unless you cure cancer or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 04:28 PM
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Yeah that could very well be. Correlation is not necessarily causation. But even still, if excessive casual sex is being had by mentally unwell people that doesn’t really paint it in the best light. You bring up an excellent point about the pursuit being more damaging than the act itself, and I agree. In order for 99% of men to obtain casual sex, there’s a large amount of legwork and recovery time necessary. If you’re working on a big goal like class mobility, or even just maximizing health, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 04:26 PM
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Surely you’re not saying that everyone that engages in sex does so in healthy way? I would guess that greater than 50% of the new sexual encounters that are currently happening would qualify as “other than healthy”. Obviously I don’t have any numbers to back that up, but that seems to jive with what I see out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 03:03 PM
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Thanks for your comment, but it’s a bit of a strawman. I don’t personally find sex distasteful. I have casual sex occasionally and I currently have offers for more. It’s not sour grapes for me. I have options. The point is, overindulgence has ramifications. It’s nature’s rule, that has been observed and put in to religion, not the other way around. I’m also not religious btw. As a culture, there are a set of indulgences that are seen as socially acceptable. These are dynamic and change with time…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 02:51 PM
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I’ll give you an upvote. I’m a software engineer with a graduate degree and I have casual sex, so point taken. It seems very clear to me however, that sex is continually becoming more and more casual altogether, and if our answer to the people who can’t attain it is “tough shit” I think we’re in trouble. Thanks for your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 02:35 PM
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But that’s sort of the problem, right? If all our young men are growing up to optimize for short term female attraction, who is going to take the time to do all of the actually important work of running and improving society? We just want everyone to be competing in the dating arms race?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 02:22 PM
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This was mostly based in my recent experiences in online dating and has been echoed many times here. As a man, if on a first date from an app you present yourself as too available/interested your odds of success go down dramatically. Whether or not your goal is monogamy has become seemingly irrelevant. My guess is because guys are always bringing their A+ RP game on there and if you got a date you’re competing with the cream of the crop already.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 02:13 PM
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The difference is that in the sexual marketplace it’s always a dynamic process between groups of people. It’s not like a private activity that has no effect on others. It’s a type of indulgence that has ripple effects throughout the society.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 02:10 PM
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Live however you want. Just don’t cling to any fantasy that it isn’t harmful to overindulge.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 02:05 PM
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It does have to do with buying drinks. The act of buying a drink and receiving a drink is a culturally agreed upon way of expressing interest. That’s why it’s exploited by both men and women at times. I’m not going to break down all the ways women feign interest in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 03:50 PM
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I think this is the key insight I was looking for. Women level the playing field by being more socially cunning than men. We can do everything we want to socially engineer for it, but a subset of nefarious women are still going to find psychological and emotional loopholes to exploit men for their advantage, no matter what is agreed upon culturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 02:48 PM
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A think a proper counterexample is a really good used car salesman. One that knows how to use biological and psychological triggers to induce trust, for the express purpose gaining power relative to the customer. Should we absolve him of responsibility because, well, the customer should be able to help themselves? I would argue it's abuse in exactly the same way and the archetype of snake oil salesman exists for this reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 02:36 PM
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This particular opinion is not a gender issue. The 3rd person in cheating situations is not as culpable as the person in the relationship, male or female. Still sketchy though and would not recommend.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 02:25 PM
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I agree with the premise. But that's changing the subject slightly. These women are advertising themselves as sexually interested specifically for the power trip of denying you. Why is it so hard to agree that women shouldn't be doing this in the first place? I've already conceded that men should not expect anything in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 02:22 PM
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I feel like you’re intentionally trying to strawman my argument so I’ll leave the thread here.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 01:51 PM
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I think this is another place where I could have communicated better. I’m not talking about offering to buy her one voluntarily. I, and every male friend I know, have had the experience of a woman starting a conversation with me, feigning interest, asking for me to buy her a drink, and then disappearing instantly after receiving it. Is it a huge deal? No. But it’s messed up and they do specifically because they know there’s no real consequences and the man will be told he should know better. I s…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 01:43 PM
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Man this hits the nail directly on the head. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 01:28 PM
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The consequence is as simple as someone calling them out on it being destructive behavior. That’s it. And potentially being kicked out/banned from the bar just as in would rightfully expect a man acting rude to be. People seem to want to take this to the extreme and say I’m saying men are hapless idiots. I’m not saying that. I’m saying men are taught to take women at the word and some women exploit that. I also think enough women are doing it that it is poisoning the well.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 01:26 PM
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I have no problem with agency. I think there’s an asymmetry in the condemnation of manipulative sexual behavior that is causing problems. You’re right that there’s a history of exploitation and that’s not ok. I don’t support that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 01:21 PM
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I miscommunicated quite a bit and made the mistake of using language I didn’t realize was going to be inflammatory. The chain of logic goes like this: a) Men are raised that women are innocent creatures that are to be respected and taken at their word. No means no. b) When men get out in the world and start to find women appealing, the most common response is to want to be in service to such a woman and make her happy as a sign of affection. c) A subset of women take advantage of the combination…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 01:18 PM
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I think I misinterpreted the sarcasm as my mind was in flame war defense mode. My bad. A guy buys a woman a friendly drink for a chat? Cool. A guy buys a woman a drink to make her indebted to him? Not cool and condemned readily in our culture. A woman asks for a drink to break the ice? Cool. A woman asks a guy to buy her a drink knowing full well she's going to ignore him afterward? Not cool but no one really gives a shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 06:00 AM
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The difference is at 22, the average woman can monkey-branch much more easily to the next guy than the average man can. At 42, it's the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 05:28 AM
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Yeah I wasn't very clear there. I wasn't trying to compare the societal reactions to cheating specifically, rather the consequences the individual faces as a direct result of the cheating. Someone with many options is more likely to cheat than someone with little to no options. That particular kind of lack of consequence can lead people to abusive behavior. Just like rich kids having "affluenza" and behaving badly because they can. In other words, a young woman and young man might face the same …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 05:05 AM
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HUUUUUGE
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 05:02 AM
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I don't resent women. Insults like that aren't necessary. I resent manipulative behavior. I don't think accountability is a bad word. This is an observation of a behavior that causes mistrust between the sexes. Both men and women would be better off without it. It sounds like you would have preferred I list out all the ways in which men and women act in manipulative ways toward each other and gone down the list in order. That's kind of silly. It's possible to say something is bad without saying …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 05:01 AM
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I think I wasn't clear in my original post. I wasn't trying to make a comparison as to which is more damaging, physical violence by men onto women, or feigning sexual interest for manipulative purposes. Obviously I think physical violence is significantly worse. I'm not trying to make that comparison at all. I was just trying to find an example of a kind of power that everyone culturally recognizes. It could be monetary power. It could be political power. Perhaps the best comparison could be tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 04:51 AM
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Cheating is demonized both ways. It seems like you're hearing me say something I'm not. You think that men cheat more than women? I don't think that's true. Like I said, the partner with more options is the one more likely to cheat. I have been cheated on by two partners. I have never cheated myself. Also anecdotal. I have seen female housemates cheat rampantly. Never saw a male housemate cheat. Do young men cheat? Of course. On average they cheat less than young women because on average they ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 04:31 AM
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They are, yes. But again, I think it's demonized much more when men cheat on women than the opposite. At least historically it has been, maybe that's changing. I think when people are young, women have more options so they cheat more often than men on average. That flips as time goes on. In young adulthood, I had several male friends tell me that men cheat far more often and had to disabuse them of that notion. The person with greater sexual privilege cheats more often. Women generally are more …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 03:34 AM
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Hmm. Would you accept “women need to be held accountable for abuse of their sexual power” instead? Because that’s really what I mean. I think that is an equally agreeable statement to “men need to be held accountable for abuse of their physical power”. To me the consequences for abuse are implicit in the definition of accountability, that’s why I didn’t spell it out fully. I guess this is a lesson for me to improve my communication skills. I’m NOT saying women are inherently evil because they ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 03:18 AM
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Being the 3rd person in cheating situation has always been ethically murky territory in my view, so I’ll say no. He wasn’t abusing his privilege. Now, if we run the clock forward 20 years and the cheatee is now cheating on his girlfriend/wife because he’s now a wealthy hotshot and the one with more options, then yeah he should be held accountable to the same degree as the woman in the first scenario. But that’s an already established cultural issue that is thoroughly demonized. My point is the f…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 03:10 AM
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Yeah maybe I’m wrong about that part. Maybe it’s just my circle of friends and maybe they’re lying but I’ve seen it more out of women. I appreciate the callout. It’s not the cheating I was trying to point out, so I guess I made my point poorly. Only that the ever present availability of sexual partners allows them a cushion where the consequences are not felt on an egoic level. It’s just a place where privilege is being abused.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 02:58 AM
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Yes, I share this lesson with my close friends that are less experienced. It’s absolutely not all women. It’s probably even a minority of women. But who, other than their parents, is telling women they shouldn’t do this in the first place? It’s just a subtle form of power that can easily become intoxicating. Thanks again for your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 02:50 AM
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Thanks for this counterpoint. I suppose my perspective is obviously skewed by my own experience. I was always raised to treat women right and that they were innocent creatures. It took me a few years out there to realize welp that ain’t true. I’ve been burned by many women who used their sexuality as lures. I learned how to spot and vet them eventually to not fall for it, but was never once told by anyone reliable that it would happen. I was told the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 02:29 AM
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I think for some reason the word “accountable” seems to have gotten people riled up, but I don’t see a better word. I think when people hear “women need to be held accountable” the hair on the back of their neck stands up. But you don’t really get the same reaction for “people need to be held accountable”. To me that points to a cognitive bias. To answer your question, to me accountability in this context is just calling it out when you see it and making a public display of it being unacceptable…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 02:20 AM
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This is called whataboutism. I have no disagreement that men act badly, but that is well agreed upon. Everyone needs to behave well.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 02:13 AM
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This is PPD where we discuss gender issues…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 02:09 AM
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I think u/chalkandapples said it best in her post above. A simple talk like the one she had with her mom, ie "boys might start to act weird and unnecessarily agreeable in your presence cause they find you cute. Don't misuse this as a form of mind control for evil". Something like that on the cultural level, similar to "keep your hands to yourself". I'm not suggesting targeting anyone's sexuality. I'm saying let's increase awareness and transparency that this is a real phenomenon that can be abus…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 01:46 AM
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Thank you for reading my post thoroughly and not jumping to any conclusions at the beginning. Everyone else seems to be reacting viscerally just based on the title. I guess I picked the wrong analogy to make. I was trying to find some kind of power that is obvious and culturally mediated. You got the point perfectly. Power needs checks and balances. There are currently insufficient cultural balances on women's ability to hurt men with their sexuality. Hopefully this changes with time. The talk y…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 01:40 AM
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I'm new here :/
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 01:27 AM
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Haha of course, but this is PPD. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 01:22 AM
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Men need to hold themselves to account for their behavior. Full stop. No ifs and or buts. You seem to be turning this into a contest, and that wasn't my intention. Just like saying black lives matter is a complete sentence, so is saying women need to held accountable. I had another idea for this post but it got a little long, but it goes like this: Tell me which of these sentences makes you cringe, and why: People need to be held accountable. Men need to be held accountable. Women need to be hel…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 01:21 AM
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I'm not saying women should "handicap" themselves or anything like that. Only that they shouldn't do to others what they wouldn't like done to them. You're making it sound like I'm saying women should cover themselves to avoid tempting men. I'm not. I'm saying women shouldn't intentionally deceive men through feigning sexual interest. Two totally different things. And we are in a new world where those value systems are becoming outdated, and the assumption seems to be that the modesty lessons ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 01:09 AM
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I don't know that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 01:04 AM
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"Women shouldn't use their looks to take advantage of men" That's EXACTLY what I'm trying to say. I don't see much accountability on this. Or if there is, it isn't anywhere near what it should be. "Men, on average, are universally stronger than women. You're going to lose a lot of credibility if you insist on denying basic biology." I see where we're talking past each other. I meant there is a culture of accountability regarding physical strength in general, not specifically as male strength vs …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 01:02 AM
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Yeah they shouldn't be doing that shit. 100% agreed. It's gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 12:54 AM
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Strawman if there ever was one. Would you teach your daughter that tricking men into buying you drinks for validation is wise and acceptable behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 12:53 AM
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Upvoted for your last sentence. I think it's easy to say that men should know better, but I think they have to learn better. I think we can do better as a culture and get ahead of it and say that no one should be doing this in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 12:50 AM
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You're proving my point perfectly. Your instinct is to tell men to learn to identify when women are deceiving you in this regard. That is true, and great advice for men. I see no mention in your comment that women shouldn't be doing that in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 12:49 AM
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" What you described is no where near a universal female experience. " And being physically strong is not a universal male experience. I guess I should be clear. I think when you hear me say "held accountable", perhaps you think I mean punished or imprisoned. Nothing of the sort. Just saying if Timmy tackles someone a little too hard, he'll be first admonished by his coach, but will also be ejected from the game if necessary. Likewise if women intentionally try to trick men into buying them drin…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 12:43 AM
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I think it's important to point out that again your first instinct to hold say we should hold men to account. This is precisely the cognitive bias I'm trying to get at. Of course men should be held accountable and control themselves. That is great advice for individuals, but what about our culture as a whole? Women, such as in the examples I gave of getting men to by them drinks or my friend being deceptive about her mating strategy, often do not seem to mind that they are engaging in lies and d…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 12:35 AM
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I'm not meaning to compare rape to anything. Of course rape is wrong and way beyond in harm than not sleeping with a man for any reason. An individual woman does not owe an individual man anything. Saying it's not a power to be sexually desirable to men is just plain false. It has it's drawbacks, but it is absolutely a massive power. Otherwise, why would women bother to cultivate it? I'm talking about the women (likely not fully mentally well) that intentionally use their sexuality in deceitful …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 12:30 AM
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Yeah I’ve been reflecting a bit over the past couple of days and I had a similar idea. Again not trying to brag, but if I have this profile and I don’t embody some of the dark triad, maybe that comes off as somehow suspicious, incongruent, or confusing. Acting cocky and unavailable is perhaps expected and par for the course, particularly with apps. The reality is yes I’m tall and have pretty eyes, but everything else I’ve attained through a psychotic work ethic. I grew up poor and actually had t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 04:45 AM
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Hey thanks for this honesty and vulnerable response. Ibiza is seen as just an exotic fun place for us. It sounds like Vegas would be our equivalent and I would never put up a photo of me there on the profile. Yeah, the caregiving thing is probably a showstopper for a lot of women. I think it’s a massive plus for the single moms, but for the other women it’s probably frequently a dealbreaker. That just kinda proves my point more though. If women want wholesome men, why would it be a such a dealbr…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 05:25 PM
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Thank you. That’s pretty much my take in a nutshell as well. And you’re right, I think I was trying to get talked out of it and it didn’t happen. This stuff is real and for effective results I’ll have to tap in to my dark side in a way that I find costly and somewhat destructive. I was just hoping it wasn’t the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 01:38 PM
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I have no formal training of that sort but I’ve always been a good writer and communicator, thanks lol. Hmm now this is a solid insight that I should consider. My opinion of the approaches may be weighted heavily on cumulative past success with each, which is therefore tampered with by skill and practice in one or the other. Perhaps with more time I’d find a way for it to work more effectively with my personality the way RP does. I’m skeptical at the moment but it’s worth considering. Honestly g…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 04:58 AM
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Haha come on lighten up a little
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 01:59 AM
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I have been bested by the irrefutable BP logic. I must now suckle the teet of Rosie O’Donnell for all eternity as penance. May Hillary Clinton have mercy on my soul.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 01:24 AM
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I’m just a dumb RP mongrel. Brain don’t work gud
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 01:12 AM
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Welp I’m convinced!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 01:03 AM
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The evidence doesn’t support what you’re saying but I’ll meet you halfway. You can have the best product in the world, but if your sales and marketing suck your company is going to fail. There’s a minimum effective competence in communicating with women in a persuasive way that is a prerequisite. Once I realized I had that, I quit that lifestyle and mindset altogether, and, it eventually did make me more attractive to just be self-reliant. On that I’ll agree. I’ll invite you to do an experiment.…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 12:23 AM
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I think her point is attainability is a component of attractiveness. You can’t just factor it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 09:52 PM
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I like your style. You’ve got spunk.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 09:46 PM
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Lmao you’re something else brother
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 09:36 PM
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I wish I could be you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 09:02 PM
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I agree. Thanks for your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 08:51 PM
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You’re the like the fourth blowhard that’s come in here trying to neg me and establish dominance and teach me game. I’m good fam.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 08:50 PM
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Ok, so if I had made the title “online dating”, rather than saying in general how would you have felt?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 06:01 PM
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Perhaps you missed the part where I said I am doing something else? You seem hostile and I'm not sure why. I don't like online dating, so I'm not doing it anymore. I'm going to sit out and save my money until I can do it organically. It might be one year, it might be five years, it might be ten years.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 05:34 PM
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Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 05:27 PM
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I have. I agree it’s a choice. This is just a field report of my experience on the apps. I have found LTRs on the apps in the past. And I have several friends that are in LTRs that started on the apps. It’s the primary vehicle nowadays, and in person has become an “alternative” way of meeting people.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 05:22 PM
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It’s a good point. Let’s say I’m looking for a nice ripe banana. I can: 1) Invest a lot of time and energy into looking “the right way” in a way I find karmically sound, sifting through a bucket of bruised bananas and brown bananas and hard green bananas. I go through hundreds and the ripe bananas are just incredibly scarce, if they are ever found. 2) Go to the bucket of all ripe bananas, but the catch is I’m required to wear a MAGA hat and I don’t vote Republican. 3) Spend my time doing somethi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 05:16 PM
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Good question, thanks for asking. My mom is paralyzed and I’m the only one in my family willing to care for her. I’m not putting her in a home, so she stays with me and I work from home. Meanwhile, so this doesn’t last 20 years, I spend my free time upskilling to make more money in the future and finding investments. It is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 05:09 PM
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Sorry to put words in your mouth. I was just trying to say I think we agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 02:37 PM
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I agree with all that. I’m just dealing with some family issues that make it impossible for me to do things the traditional way for the foreseeable future. But hey, even you seem to admit that RP is necessary on the apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 02:26 PM
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You’re making some assumptions there you shouldn’t be. To answer your question, I’m a full time caregiver of my mom who is paralyzed and that’s why I’m mostly stuck at home. My apartment is very clean and I meditate for 10 hours a week and teach meditation on the side. And yes, I let women know this in a soft and diplomatic way and it wasn’t effective.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 02:12 PM
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Appreciate it! Good luck out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 01:45 PM
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Yeah. It really makes sense when you think about it in terms of competition. Any attractive woman you are into has at least 20 other guys she is considering. If you want to play 1 on 20 without learning how to sell yourself in that environment I think you’re legitimately insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 01:38 PM
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I think the missing piece here is that there are only 24 hours in a day and I have to decide how to spend that time. Attracting women without “game” is not that hard, I agree, but it’s a slowwwwww burn with many misses and simple misunderstandings. What if by no fault of my own, dating apps are the only possible way of meeting people at moment? Should I use my time simply being my full self, knowing that I’m competing against others who have stacked the deck in their favor doing things I persona…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 01:25 PM
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You mean fast, casual sex? Yeah it’s not. That was one of my main points. I’m talking about things outside of dating. As in I can choose between dating under these circumstances, or do something else with that time and energy which bring me joy. I choose the latter for now.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 04:21 AM
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For sure. Perhaps chivalrous is hyperbole. I think the devil is in the details “having an appealing personality and conveying that to women”, and what that means has changed. I’ve had plenty of earlier success playing the game the way you describe a handful of years ago and found my ex-fiancée that way as well. This is just a field report of my experiences on the apps over the past few months, which is where a large portion of the game is played now.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 04:15 AM
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I wasn’t looking for casual sex brother. It happened, but it wasn’t the goal. I wasn’t trying to be eye-popping. I just wanted someone in my same league that works hard and is intellectual and healthy. I didn’t make any attempt to appear higher value to her and FYI my bachelors IS from Cal. Kinda feels like you want to measure dicks here and I’m not interested. To your point, it’s just the landscape has gotten to the point where you gotta really bring it in a way that the BP folks advocate again…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 02:25 AM
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Absolutely. I’ll add a corollary: almost all people are lazy and don’t change until they have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 02:10 AM
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I agree with you. Due to external circumstances I'm mostly stuck at home for the foreseeable future. 4 months I could have invested into mastering something that brings me joy is a way better investment. In my 20's getting girls seemed very important. Now, it's just not as interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 12:55 AM
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This is actually great advice, up to a point. And that is the point of execution when it comes time to actually lead the dance, which falls on our shoulders. You can genuinely love yourself to death, but if women don't respond, don't say it's our fault. It's on men to do what works, so we do what works. If we don't like what works, we should do something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 12:50 AM
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I think we halfway agree. I was not rude to anyone. I did not insult anyone. I did not play mindgames with anyone. When I changed strategies to things the BP advocate against, attractive women responded. They aren't bad or evil for that. They are just unaware of our experience. If you're suggesting that I continue with strategies that had a 0 out of 250 hit rate instead of investing in the things that bring me joy, I just have to say you're coming from a place of real privilege and not looking a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 12:46 AM
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Please tell me where I said any of that brother. I never lied, I never cheated. I changed my approach to things that BP people say are unethical, and that were honest, but not my preferred approach. Hell, this whole post is about me preferring transparency and chivalry and you're making it sound like I'm somehow dishonest. I don't get it fam.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 12:38 AM
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I think we agree, but I think that the BP folks would rather us be chivalrous and imminently available even though it doesn’t work. For some reason this is controversial and I’m trying to make case that it shouldn’t be. Thanks for your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 12:21 AM
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I’m not sure I understand your point. I wasn’t saying I was successful in any regard. This is PPD and I’m presenting evidence that RP strategies are necessary for finding attractive women of equal caliber to yourself. You’re welcome to CMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 12:15 AM
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Yeah that’s pretty much what I said. I increasingly don’t find dating interesting, and it’s not due to lack of success. There are things in my life that are much more compelling and worth my time. I thought this was PPD and I’m expecting BP folks to disagree, since I said CMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 12:10 AM
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Thanks for contributing that amazing helpful insight to the conversation my man.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 12:01 AM
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Hey that’s pretty astute and dope of her. I never got anything that useful from my sisters lol. Most women just don’t know. They’ve never had to do the dirty work so they just kind of tell you what sounds good to them. During this recent run I actually had a black woman who clearly is struggling with low self-esteem basically try out conventional chivalrous game on me and I have to admit that while it was sweet, it wasn’t attractive. I told her straight up to be unapologetic and bold and embrace…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 12:01 AM
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Agreed. It's nobody's fault and it's important to be empathetic to their experience while sticking up for yourself. Also, I think an overarching point that maybe I didn't make clear is that some of the RP tactics that might seem distasteful or controversial are simply necessary to properly convey your value in an emotionally-effective way. If women don't like it, then they need to own that and pro-actively reward the opposite behavior or it will simply continue.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 11:21 PM
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There's no bubble being burst my guy. I had no delusions that women were angels or anything of the sort. Just that I'm only willing to play fair, and I don't like doing what works. And this is mostly indicative of the app game. In real life I don't have to resort to any tactics, but it's not a option right now unfortunately. Men aren't angels either. Hell, people aren't angels. I'm just asking folks that disagree to CMV, and you don't seem to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 10:59 PM
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Hinge, Bumble, Tinder. In that order of frequency and effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 10:56 PM
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Yeah I agree with you. I think it's something you have to throw 100% of your free time into to be successful, and right now I don't have the bandwidth and I'm starting to wonder if it's even worth it if I'm happy as I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 10:53 PM
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It's not rude to stand up for yourself, you're right. I think it's rude to insinuate that you are desired by other women and it sucks that it works, but simply standing up for myself without the insinuation didn't cut it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 10:51 PM
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If I understand you correctly, you're saying that we should love women completely even though they often don't choose what's best for them, their partner, or society as a whole. If I have that right, then the only love I would be willing to offer is platonic friendly love that I offer all people. Otherwise, I think you're putting your own ethics at risk and I'm just not willing to go there.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 10:47 PM
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I agree, but I don't think it's intentional. I think it's just ignorance that comes from a place of privilege that they aren't even aware they have.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 10:45 PM
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Hey, I appreciate the discussion too! just one more thing I'll leave you with. I don't know if you've seen this, but it might change your perspective on a few things. It's about a lesbian feminist who spent several months undercover as a man in an attempt to create an expose, but instead left with the clear conclusion: male privilege exists, but she distinctly prefers female privilege: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip7kP\_dd6LU
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 06:22 PM
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The all caps don't really help, friend. I can understand your points fine without them. I've conceded that men are generally stronger than women. Again, my point is that as a culture and society, we agree on what constitutes healthy and prosocial behavior. Accountability on power is a good thing. It is a necessary thing. We have a massive culture of accountability on men's physical power. We have a culture of accountability regarding almost every kind of power, except, for some reason, women's s…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 05:55 PM
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I didn’t forget it. Thanks for bringing this up, though, because it’s a great counter example. I can empathize with women that it is scary to be physically less strong than man, so I can understand that perspective. There does exist a small subset of men that are willing to use their physical strength for abusive purposes. However, I would argue that percentage of men is smaller than the percentage of women willing to use their sexual power for manipulation and similarly abusive purposes. One is…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 04:13 PM
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100% I always say that if I could choose who I was attracted to, I would choose the most physically repulsive woman I could find because I know she would value and respect me. I'm sure women could say the same. Regarding women's power in the SMP, I can see where you're coming from and perhaps my words were too broad. However, I have to disagree a bit. It seems that we already have an accountabilty culture for elite men regarding their behavior in sexuality and dating. "Player", "cad", or "fuckbo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 08:19 PM
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Moved my comment higher for visibility. Regarding the friend zone, I actually friend-zoned her. We used to hook up back in undergrad but when she wanted more commitment I said no, and we decided to be just friends. She's down, I'm not, but she's a wonderful person and a great friend. I have spent periods as an alpha-Chad guy, and spent periods as an average Joe, and I have seen first hand how I'm treated differently. I agree with everything you're saying. I also don't think anyone should drop th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 08:01 PM
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Wow my friend, your excellent, well-measured takes in this thread have really clarified a lot of the noise I've been trying sift through in my mind and what I've been trying to explain to my friends that are women. In the year 2023, I can firmly say that I'd rather be born a woman than a man. Because as you say, if we equalize everything outside of sexuality, and the average woman retains far more sexual power than the average man, it would be a clear advantage to be the average woman rather tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 07:55 PM
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Wow my friend, your excellent, well-measured takes in this thread have really clarified a lot of the noise I've been trying sift through in my mind and what I've been trying to explain to my friends that are women. In the year 2023, I can firmly say that I'd rather be born a woman than a man. Because as you say, if we equalize everything outside of sexuality, and the average woman retains far more sexual power than the average man, it would be a clear advantage to be the average woman rather tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 07:40 PM
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That’s the thing, much of the time it ISN’T you and there isn’t anything you can do better. A certain number of approaches just don’t work for an infinite number of reasons that have nothing to do with you at all. It’s just a crapshoot and it’s not personal. Obviously, do everything you can to put your best foot forward, but it’s possible to frequently lose even if you did everything right! It’s just the nature of the game. Personally, in these situations, I remember that the sting of regret is …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 09:11 PM
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I mean I have to grin and bear it too. It stings, but hey it’s just a fact of life. There are advantages and disadvantages to being a man, this is one of the disadvantages. It’s not personal and not a big deal. It’s not a reflection on me at all. It was one person’s reaction to an uncomfortable situation. Would it be better if every woman calmly and respectfully let us down easy every time? Sure I guess, but that’s just unrealistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 06:17 PM
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Agreed. Ignoring people that are requesting your attention is rude, BUT it’s tricky because sales people (and men) will exploit that feature of human communication for their benefit. It’s not necessarily an evil thing but it does impose on people. It’s no different than those people sitting outside Target trying to start conversations with me so I’ll sign their petition. It feels rude to ignore them, so I do my best to say “hi, no thanks”. But I hate that feeling of knowing I’m going to have to …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 03:58 PM
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