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The only reason it strikes you in RP, is because you don't like what we're saying and you're under the impression it'll sound better if I used more words to apologize in every sentence. I have to say, you got a point here. TRP is not vile, misogynistic shit because it uses sexist terminology or misogynistic swear words. TRP is vile, misogynistic shit because its content is vile, misogynistic, and fundamentally hostile to women and those who do not believe them to be inferior and evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/14 05:54 PM
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Because that's what's considered the normal level of discussion in this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/14 10:27 PM
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HOW CAN I MAKE THIS ABOUT MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. Well, you certainly figured out one way to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/14 10:26 PM
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It should also be noted that "property" in this sense meant land and other capital, not personal property like clothes, jewelry, furniture, or even cash But it would include any and all money that his wife would earn, including proceeds from sales of crafts and produce that she worked on. This is one reason why women were often (to use an anachronistic term) "stay at home wives" especially in Anglophone regions - in the early modern era, a woman would often produce the majority of wealth in a ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/14 10:24 PM
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A good analogy to make would be, you know how you get really mad at your SO for any trivial thing? So you cut off all sex?(In fact, most women impose this whenever they feel bad, about anything, even if its not his fault, prompting him to at least want to fix it, pretty abusive IMO). Well, it hurts your BF more than you, because of the nature of demand and supply. Men have no such tool to modify behaviour. Most men succumb to the conditions set by the gatekeeper of sex dynamic because by default…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/14 04:45 PM
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You completely disregard that in premodern times, the primary limit to population growth was not number of women, but availability of food. Any society of sufficient size will grow to the limits imposed by availability of food, and once it reaches that limit any growth rate will be offset by lack of food (either directly through malnutrition, or indirectly by disease).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/14 04:39 PM
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That's because putting one person over another because of their skin color or ethnicity is never a "win".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/14 04:32 PM
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A narrative doesn't need to have all details made up in order to be bullshit. I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/14 04:28 PM
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Nope. This is a myth that comes from a misreading of the fact that women's property was joined into "marital property" controlled by the husband upon marriage. This is not at all the same thing as women being considered property themselves, and ignores the reality that men were held legally responsible for provisioning their wives and even for whatever crimes their wives might commit. And could dispose of their wife's property as they saw fit, since women were not allowed to own anything apart f…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/14 04:25 PM
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Modern warfare is different from how its always been. Civilian casualties in WW2's theatres(mainly between the USSR and Germany and between US, China and Japan) proportionally were some of the highest in any war short of Carthage or Genghis Khan. I find that hard to believe. Most premodern armies supplied themselves by foraging in enemy territory. In other words, by robbing and enslaving civilian populations. Quite a few premodern wars have been infamous for their civilian casualties, e.g. the T…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/14 04:14 PM
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For all intents and purposes, most assumptions are practical and work. And whether these assumptions "work" at all is based almost entirely on self-reported, anectodal evidence. It's a method that's almost guaranteed to give you maximum bias at minimum data.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/14 03:54 PM
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That said, a lot of you are under the assumption that people leave like 95% of RP and take just the infamous and really effective stuff like Dread. Which is wrong. Dread without frame is useless. Frame without knowing when(shit-tests, an extensive subject on its own) is unguided and prone to error. Most people will at-least go 50% red. But that's almost the exact opposite of what you said just above: "You are supposed to take what you need, and apply on a case-by-case basis. What does not seem r…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/14 03:53 PM
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Let me ask another question, if we find inexplicable truth that there is an exception to the rule Why the "if" statement? We know for a fact that TRP's "rules" are overwhelmingly based on anecdotal evidence, and that there are plenty of exceptions that are either ignored or dismissed as irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/14 03:17 AM
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When TRP talks about "all" women, what they really mean is "an arbitrary and unspecified number ranging anywhere from one to 3 billion".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/14 03:11 AM
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If you'll believe it, my girlfriend finds dread in practice flattering, funny and romantic. Of course she does, she's in love with you! Any resentment would usually come only after the love was gone already. Also, I think you might considerably overestimate the extent to which your "dread game" actually has its intended effect on your girlfriend, or whether there is even a direct cause-effect relationship at all. Maybe she puts up with it because you have other qualities that mitigate it. Maybe …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/14 02:41 AM
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Its either heartiste or a theoretical debate about the dictionary definition of abuse. That you started because you were uncomfortable with the concept of emotional abuse as defined by non-RPers. Dread game does not make "love slaves" like Heartiste says. Women don't even need a rational threat to respond to it..Its pure and simple triggering competitiveness. Which is completely irrelevant to the main thrust against dread game, i.e. that it is deceptive manipulation at best, and that it fits the…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/14 02:29 AM
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Most BP people "know" Dread game is "abuse" but cannot explain why. I've actually challenged multiple people with an agreed upon explanation and got no criticism on the method. This is completely wrong and you know that. Plenty of people have explained to you, in excruciating detail, why they believe that dread game is wrong and emotionally abusive. Just because you didn't accept their explanations does not make these explanations non-existent, or invalid. I would really appreciate it if you sto…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/14 11:39 PM
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You are repeatedly using this ugly word, serve, to describe the dynamic, because you are either lazy or have adapted a mindset of selfishness as the norm and you do not understand the concept of mutual responsibility within differing roles. I do not settle for a woman who is anything less than devoted to me. This does not mean she has no life of her own, hobbies and interests or that she lacks a career. This does not mean that the relationship is one way, with her providing value while I manipul…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/14 11:18 PM
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The ideal would be a faithful monogamous relationship, but clearly that ain't working so well today. Sounds like it's not so biotruthy after all, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/14 03:49 PM
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Ok sorry, I just got the wrong impression when you said you wouldn't be "alone in a room with a sexy guy".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/14 05:09 AM
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Are you talking specifically about situations where you both already know you are mutually attracted to each other, and are only held back because of obligations to other people? Because I'm not sure I'd understand that attitude in a context where I didn't already know that the other person is all over me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/14 01:21 AM
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As I can tell, in part informed by my own experiences, it's never as easy as that. What this approach usually gets you, IME, is just a vast collection of mutually exclusive nonsense backed up by terrible research, bad evidence, vast collections of the worst kinds of logical fallacies and rhetoric sleights of hand, but very little in the way of good understanding of the important issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/14 01:13 AM
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Please, for the love of God, do not fall into the Redpillers' rhetorical trap of associating TRP with "the male side of things". There are plenty of men to whom TRP's ideology is every bit as offensive as to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/14 12:57 AM
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if a married/taken woman is somehow in a room alone with a sexy guy (or genders reversed) I'm curious, how often do you use elevators?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/14 12:46 AM
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Outside of insights I brought from the occult http://i.imgur.com/R2K2Bc3.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/14 12:41 AM
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For the purposes of this sub, I wish people would argue more topics from /r/alreadyred than from /r/theredpill because the TRP sub has become a place for newcomers who are very angry and spiteful. As opposed to the angry and spiteful RP oldtimers that frequent PPD?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/14 12:38 AM
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When TRP talks about "all", they define "all" to mean any of these: all, the majority, most, a lot, many, some, a few, one or two.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/14 12:36 AM
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Simply pointing out the arrogance of appointing oneself Sensei of this subreddit. Can you show me to where I did that? Because I don't recall appointing myself to anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 09:37 PM
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Well, in biology, "hypergamy" is just a theory presuming that the females of a species tend to choose the biologically "fittest" mates for procreation. Note how it bears almost no relationship at all to its TRP homonym.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 09:35 PM
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What does the latter have to do with the former? I'm providing a different perspective. If you don't like it, you're free to close your eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 05:44 PM
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But it also is a place to vent your frustration outside of any political correctness that would stop them from speaking their mind. Political correctness doesn't have to be left-wing or feminist. There's plenty of political correctness in TRP, but you likely don't notice because you agree with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 05:10 PM
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Funny how when the divorce rate is sky high 50-70% More like half of that, trending downward. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Marriage_and_Divorce_Rates_in_the_US_1990-2007.png when women get the children Isn't TRP all about how it's the woman's place at home with the children, and the man's place out of the house earning money? How would you even take care of a child as a single father if you were busy all day earning money as (so TRP argues) evolution intended?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 04:58 PM
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No shit, you used deductive reasoning to pigeonhole a woman into one of your predefined categories, and surprise surprise, you can make her fit into one of them! Sorry, but that's terrible argumentation, and terrible logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 03:17 PM
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A well-respected man has better genes as well. That's not how genetics works. And it's not how the actual evolutionary behavior of hypergamy works, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 03:15 PM
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There are people who will defend behavior that's commonly seen as bad or objectionable. I don't understand why this is puzzling or surprising to you, I mean you have been on reddit for 3 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 03:13 PM
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They're not 'significantly below average' don't be retarded Regardless of how you feel about the guys being depicted, the pictures you linked are rather terrible, all things considered. Blurry, badly lit, unflattering perspective, and the people being depicted don't exactly look their best there, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 03:03 PM
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So you do, in fact, respect a woman's boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 01:57 AM
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Okcupid women have rated the following men as 'significantly below average': http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/your_looks_and_inbox/chriscoyne.jpg http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/your_looks_and_inbox/crudder.jpg http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/your_looks_and_inbox/sammy.jpg http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/your_looks_and_inbox/mkrohn.jpg Compared to this picture? Or this one? Yea, I can see how they'd rate below those two. Frankly, what you're presenting are incredibly unflattering pics.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 01:51 AM
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Would you back off if she didn't appear comfortable with your feeling her up? Or do you think a guy was more successful if he didn't care how comfortable she was? What's the point of the question? My point is to increase your understanding and make you a better person.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 01:42 AM
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That's an empty non-answer. I'm not trying to entrap you here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 01:37 AM
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If she makes it clear she's not interested, I walk. If she's laughing and giggling when my hand is on her thigh moving ever closer to her crotch, then you better believe I'm not worried about her boundaries. So... do you respect her boundaries and care if she feels comfortable, or not? If she was uncomfortable with your advances, would that be enough reason for you to back off?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 01:32 AM
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I mostly agree with this. Confidence stems from your triumphs. From your talents. It stems from the belief that you are capable and that you need not be afraid that you'll perform less than optimally at the task you're doing. It stems from a belief, yes. You can't just will yourself into belief, I agree with that, but you also can't do something and expect a particular belief to just spontaneously come to you through that. That's one of the problems with depression, for example: You can pump you…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 12:26 AM
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So what you're trying to argue is, in order to have any chance of success at all with women you need to: See women as nothing but sex objects Ask out girls regardless of whether you're interested in them Ignore a woman's boundaries and don't care if you make her feel uncomfortable be bitter over any rejection, be jealous of any male attention she's getting be dishonest treat her unfairly ?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 12:10 AM
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So feminists from third world countries are "first world trash"? How does that even work?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 12:04 AM
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Of course, I've met good-looking people and ugly assholes...my point is just that good-looking people generally get a free pass in life, and are able to get away with worse behavior. From what I've read on the subject being good looking is actually a rather mixed bag. Tall poppy syndrome is more likely to affect you when you're exceptionally good looking, and good looking women specifically have a more difficult time getting higher level jobs (probably because they're assumed, rightly or wrongly…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 11:37 PM
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Or maybe, are we just attracted to good-looking people, regardless of our gender, and good-looking people tend to be assholes? I don't think even that's particularly true, I've met people with supermodel type looks that were perfectly decent human beings, and I've met ugly assholes. People fuck up, and people do shortsighted, selfish, or petty things, it's just that these things rarely affect you personally. An intimate relationship is like a magnifying glass where you can see a person at their …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 11:30 PM
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I mean if we're going by relative standards, then Western feminism is the walking definition of a first world problem. ... Yes? Western feminism concerns itself with the problems of people living in the first world, which makes it by definition about first world problems. I don't understand what's so objectionable about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 11:21 PM
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Tons of guys, everywhere, are upset about their average-sized penises despite reassurance from their partners. Entire industries make a living off of this- I'm not sure if you ever watch porn, but the sidebar is littered with "grow your penis 10 inches in 1 week with this secret tip!" So what exactly does this have to do with feminism? I'm not saying men have it harder than women, only that feminists don't seem to bat an eye when these things happen to men- and may at times applaud it- but ride …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 11:16 PM
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I'm glad that I'm not the only one.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 07:52 PM
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That really doesn't make any sense(you are distorting some facts here to supplement your own ideals). You are right, if you're locked in the TRP mindset where one side has to be dominant and the other submissive, then no, it wouldn't make sense to have two masters, or two slaves. What I am talking about is, either, negotiation as equals and shared responsibilities, or collective decisionmaking based on mutual compromise. If you start off as equals, and one person wants something more than the ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 07:48 PM
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Every time an article comes out about "things men like" or "trends men hate" the feminist universe collectively goes nuts over "Who the FUCK cares what men think!?!?" and "You're making the teenage girls insecure!!!" or "This is why we have anorexia!!!" Basically, articles that nobody is forced to read, that tell women (frankly, oversimplified) things that men like or dislike are sexist, even though presumably the only women reading them are ones who care about what men think. Do you have any ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 07:22 PM
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<assuming only high school mean girls are manipulative> Well, it's not like redpillers are going for women beyond 20 anyway, am I right?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 07:11 PM
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A guy who treats women as equals would also find himself at a direct disadvantage, or position of vulnerability, when he becomes attracted to a woman(vulnerability that leads to compliance or insecurity). This typically results in that man being labelled a doormat, too available, too nice, too caring or too meek Treating someone as an equal party is not the same thing as being submissive and meek. Quite the opposite, actually. This is one of the weaknesses of TRP's relationship advice: TRP can o…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 07:00 PM
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You think we're all insane. That's the thing you took away from my text? ... You know what, this is exactly the reason why I usually don't bother argueing with terpers. You guys really have nothing to offer but self-important rants and shitty little insults.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 05:58 PM
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Its the point where she tried to convince me where I reply vehemently that you are an utter hypocrite about. You cannot also accept that someone read those same texts, understood the ideas, and wilfully interpreted those ideas as not not hateful and bad. I accept that a lot of people can genuinely buy into TRP ideas, and I am very deeply personally aware of the kind of mindset that makes TRP look sensible. It's easy to blame others for one's own misery. It's tempting to identify lack of sex as t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 05:17 PM
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Your link leads to a thread on /r/TheBluePill/
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 05:07 PM
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They didn't take what women said literally?They were smart enough to ignore what women said and do what women wanted instead? Do you mean that men are successful by harassing women, and by not treating them with respect?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 04:59 PM
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He could have figures it out on his own. He has a brain. He has the internet. None of this is rocket science at all. These should just be self-evident. It's in movies. It seems like it should come natural. In the end he even figures this out on his own and only later finds TRP. This is where I disagree, honestly. This guy obviously needed professional help, not a two bit feelgood internet advice guru, and certainly not one in the manner of TRP, with its heavy helping of blaming all women for you…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 01:50 PM
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He states plainly what he should have been told, but wasn't. He also states plainly what he was told instead. There's no self pity or entitlement there. He is doing what a lot of people who suffer from depression do, blame the outside world for what is basically an internal psychological problem. The entire post is all about self pity and entitlement, and blaming other people for his internal state of emotions. This is just another example of TRP patching over symptoms in exchange of ignoring or…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 01:47 PM
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OK, OP, lets assume his need is specifically sexual(as a twelve year incel with a normal life elsewhere). How many women would he bang using your method? Is there a particular reason why you are dismissing and ignoring her argument, or have you become so used to behave condescendingly towards people you disagree with that you don't even notice any more? This guy obviously has major self esteem issues (which he even admits to, in the exact same blog post) and having sex very evidently did not cur…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 01:43 PM
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I completely agree, but you are not entitled to time,money or marriage of a man either. So how many subreddit communities are there dedicated to hateful women ranting about terrible guys who won't marry them?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 01:29 PM
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"Feminism taught me a lot throughout the 80’s and 90’s. It taught me not to question women’s sexual choices. It taught me to treat them with deference and respect. It taught me not to accost them for sex aggressively, but to treat them as human beings. [...] It taught me everything i needed to be creepy, unattractive and doormat ready." Do you believe that treating women with respect and not to harass them for sex is "creepy, unattractive and doormat ready"?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 01:19 PM
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There is no discussion that can stem from your response, and you don't intend it to. There is no discussion that can stem from the typical TRP response to disagreement, which is "you don't understand TRP, read the sidebar, read a bunch of threads, then come back" even to people who clearly have read and digested their "official" texts at length and put some thought into replying to them. To TRP, the usual response to disagreement is to assume either ignorance ("you don't understand TRP, read the…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 01:09 PM
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I am not throwing a tantrum, I was pointing out she's passing them off as quotes when they're (nearly) all interpretated paraphrases. Are you serious? She provided an entire post full of exact quotations (now deleted, sadly). OP had far far fewer points than she'd like to admit. You can follow the conversation and decide what you will. Or not, in any case, I'm done with this thread. And now, rather than concede an argument, you are running away in a huff. Honestly, given your frequent praise of …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 03:58 AM
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She literally states a quote and expects me to believe its bad or untrue with no supporting argument. No, she expects you to take the quotes as factual, because they are evidence in favor of TRP's belief in the inferiority of women. Which is the argument under discussion, remember? Offensive =/= untrue. Indeed. So instead of throwing a trantrum, why not look at the facts of the matter and admit that belief in the natural inferiority of women is a core TRP belief?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 12:42 AM
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Is there a reason why the mods let this blatant TRP circlejerking fly?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 12:39 AM
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Because I recognize an ELI5? Because I've taken the time to read stuff? The barrier to entry to RP encompasses many books-worth actually. What literature have you read that tells you that TRP's sidebar texts do not reflect true TRP beliefs?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 12:35 AM
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You are right, of course. We should remain open to the possibility that Mack's injuries spontaneously appeared on her without outside cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/14 04:25 PM
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I know, there aren't a whole lot of true Scotsmen posting on TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/14 03:50 PM
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I've always found it interesting that Red Pill is such a boogeyman. Is it really surprising that a subreddit dedicated to discussing the merits of TRP would gather so many people relating their opinions on TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/14 03:48 PM
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Nobody believes it. The number of people speaking out about NAWALT is astounding. It has its own acronym for god's sake. It is literally there to provoke BPers to self-identify and be banned. TRP does employ traps to get people to say key phrases which only new people would say. And especially new people who don't lurk, read the side bar or the rules. Respectful and genuine questions and disagreement is allowed, not pedantry. How do you distinguish between a TRP post that's written honestly and …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/14 03:46 PM
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There is no black and white misogyny there. There is plenty of misogyny in TRP. You dismissing it as natural, necessary or understandable (as you are wont to do in your responses to such charges) does not make it go away, nor does it lessen its influence or impact.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/14 01:58 PM
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But arguing that "men cheat more" is not a counter to women naturally being predisposed to cheat. There is no reason to single out women when both genders are equally predisposed to cheat, or men are predisposed to a greater extent. Accusing women of faults that you agree are present in both genders just reeks of dishonesty and hypocrisy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/14 01:54 PM
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In the same way, I could argue men dominated for most of history(and now). You could, but that would invalidate one of TRP's core premises (that the modern world is being controlled by feminism).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/14 01:52 PM
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True. Debate the points made. What you are doing is dismissing something just because it feels bad to you. Or holding it up as an opinion to be ashamed of simply because its unpopular. RP does not think that way. This is just a dishonest debating tactic. The OP put forward the argument that TRP believes women to be inferior to men. Rather than debating whether this is the case or not, you are using the evidence she provided to turn around her argument and accuse her of intellectual dishonesty in…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/14 01:47 PM
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That seems to be about mental retardation, not genius IQs.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/14 01:24 PM
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Actually, there's pretty strong evidence that men disproportionately occupy the >145 IQ range because of genetics. What strong evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/14 12:56 PM
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Yay, just what we need, a thread defending a guy who beat up his girlfriend!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/14 12:37 PM
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It's always possible that their name came to be just like how TRP "developed" its termonology: They saw the word on a manosphere or PUA blog, and took it for themselves without knowing what it actually means.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/14 12:35 PM
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Pretty much all the so called "incel" communities I've seen on the 'net have been cesspools of woman-hate who blame women for their emotional problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 11:08 AM
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And lets be honest, look around people you know, they do get the girl despite treating her like trash. ... no? Those of my male friends who are in a relationship are all around decent guys, and as far as I can discern treat their partners with love and respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 11:00 AM
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So let me get this straight. This is what you consider respectful, civil dialogue: American women are horible people to be around. You need to understand that the only reason any man gives a fuck about you is because he wants to fuck you(even if you are 300 pounds there is a guy who wants to fuck you). You are not a special person, you do not deserve all the praise and hot air everyone in the self esteem generation has been blowing up your ass. Do I have that correct? How was my post not civil a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/14 04:14 PM
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The problem with TRP's science is that it doesn't look at the big picture, but rather looks at a little corner of the picture and draws its conclusions from that. I would have said that the problem with TRP's science is that it's not actually science.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/14 01:39 PM
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You could say that, but without TRP this sub would not make sense. Why not? PPD is about an open-minded debate about sex and gender issues, regardless of an individual poster's background. We can easily debate a wide range of ideas regarding relationships without making constant callbacks to misogynist circlejerks like TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/14 01:37 PM
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There's no indication they got downvoted by terpers, given that you see exactly one post that is in open disagreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/14 01:03 PM
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TRP exists as a way for people to achieve what our dominant culture considers valuable. I don't think most people in mainstream culture consider it particularly "valuable" to try and break a woman's will and turn her into a submissive sexslave, which is TRP's ideal state of a long term relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/14 01:00 PM
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That sub is an intellectually dishonest circlejerk parading as a open discussion forum. So is TRP, and I've yet to see anybody here objecting to discussing its contents.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/14 12:57 PM
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I was just pointing out a small bit of data, with a invitation for clarification "A small bit of data" you made up on the spot, yes. I also love how you claim that you're right with absolutely zero supporting evidence on your part, then turn around and challenge others to prove you wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/14 12:52 PM
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So you admit that he's right, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/14 12:48 PM
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You are right, that makes it so much better!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/14 11:29 AM
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HE BEAT A FUCKING WOMAN YOU RETARD! And it's all her own fault, according to TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/14 11:05 AM
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What TRP says: "Hold your frame. Always. Calmness is strength." What TRP also says: "If a woman wants a dark triad bf, then she has to put up with getting beaten." Like this: "Sounds like she's just pissed because her AF/BB strategy of prostitution and bad boy boyfriend didn't work out so well for her." "I'd argue that [his girlfriend] was complicitous even before the first beating." "I feel no sympathy towards her, she got involved with a violent scumbag, what did she think was going to eventua…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/14 11:01 AM
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Can you really call it "fishing" when about 50% of the comments are horrible shit like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/14 10:58 AM
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The laws are the laws whether you are BP RP PP or unaware of Pills, and the system does allow for false rape accusations to greatly benefit women who make them at strategic times. How does a false rape accusation "benefit" a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/14 10:51 AM
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Some excerpts from that thread: "I can't even comprehend why she would cheat if he was already ok with her being a god damn porn star, could she not hold it off until her next shoot..." "Judging by Christy's twitter feed in the past she's a total bitch with a rotten personality. I feel no sympathy towards her, she got involved with a violent scumbag, what did she think was going to eventually happen? She wanted her dangerous bad boy, well, she got him." "Sounds like she's just pissed because her…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/14 09:19 PM
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And you agree with this? This accounts for two of Crane and Crane-Seber’s four boxes: The Good Girl – who is subordinate, dependent, and passive – and The Bad Girl – who is independent, educated, and sexually liberated. Embedded in this dichotomy is the idea that it is more socially acceptable to be the former. But men, too, are forced into boxes. The Tough Guy – aggressive, sexual, restricting, and stoic – is our social ideal. The Sweet Guy – intellectual, emotional, artsy, and cultured – on th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/14 07:01 PM
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true sick women tend to be older, of course there's more to being a wife than being fertile. There's also her tits, ass, and vagina, amirite brah?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/14 06:47 PM
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Meanwhile, your husband does not love the way he makes you feel. He loves you. Lets put it in a less flattering light so I don't come off as biased: he likes as a possession. So basically, what (RP) men consider "love" is really just controlling and dominating others. They are incapable of relating to other human beings in terms of emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/14 06:45 PM
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Of course... smiles and nods, backs away slowly
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/14 06:40 PM
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After all, feminists are in full control of the jurisdiction in all colleges in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/14 06:27 PM
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I wonder if there's a study on whether or not men resent their wives for not helping out 50/50 in bringing in money for the family and as a result deny them sex as a punishment. I thought terpers reject financial independence in women and want their women to be stay-at-home housewives?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/14 06:22 PM
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And I am sure you can link to at least one of those articles... right?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/14 06:20 PM
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women fought for those things for women it just happens that they had to give men them too. Thus disproving the terper idea that feminism has made the world worse for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/14 06:20 PM
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The data is outdated, but still good enough for the studies you decided were important enough to link to. Where do you get the idea from that all these studies were drawing from the same data?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/14 06:18 PM
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Somebody needs to improve their reading comprehension.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/14 06:14 PM
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A small theory of mine, but I think that being wildly inconsistent can be used as a substitute for actually being interesting for someone who wants a shortcut. Alternatively, it just makes you look like a phoney.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/14 12:21 AM
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So in other words, when you said this: Im saying advice about dressing and alcohol isnt trying to defend rape, just lower risk factors of it happening. you were just talking out of your ass. Because as you yourself just admitted, you have no clue whether advice about dressing or alcohol is in fact capable of lowering the risk of getting raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/14 12:16 AM
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so, are you planning to hold men accountable for daring to hit on women? Yes, I generally try to hold men accountable for their own actions. Do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/14 09:38 PM
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No, I am asking both men and women to stop being pathetic Well then. Why don't you stop being pathetic and stop blaming women for all faults of society, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/14 08:59 PM
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And obviously, it must be fucked up because of some fault in her behavior. Because god forbid if men are ever being held responsible for what they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/14 08:58 PM
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So are you claiming that it is harder for rapists to rape if their victims are wearing jeans rather than skirts? Or if their victims are wearing longer skirts that don't show off as much leg?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/14 08:07 PM
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If they are such great husbands, then how come that their wives are leaving them?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/14 05:19 PM
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"Hurr durr terp terp"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/14 01:31 PM
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One last thing. For the love of god educate yourself about the other side before you go around building strawmen. According to TRP posters here, citing approved TRP content and official TRP mod posts is not really indicative of any actual RP positions. Even highly upvoted TRP posts are not indicaive of any actual RP positions. What we have to conclude from this is that Bluepill is obviously always wrong and always strawmanning, and you should ban them all because only Redpillers can correctly ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/14 01:25 PM
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"Nice Guy" to "Feminist": "Shut up, fatso, you're ugly! I only fuck slim supermodel type women!" The world is indeed not fair. That's why misogynist lowlifes work extra hard at making it even less so.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/14 01:12 PM
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Those are rhetorical questions. He's evidently too far up his own ass to do anything but regurgitate the shit he's read on terp.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/14 12:32 PM
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No one owes you shit. No one owes you respect. It's funny, then, how you apparently expect us to actually listen to you and respect your opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/14 12:29 PM
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It's amazing how Redpillers seem almost pathologically inclined to take everything and make it about themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/14 12:26 PM
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https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/14 09:37 AM
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I didnt take the red pill. It was shoved down my fucking throat. Clearly, all women are like your ex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/14 09:03 AM
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Yeah, it's not like suddenly rape is okay because it's fueled by sexual desire rather than a lust for power. Really? It seems to me that when you start argueing that rape is a consequence of sexual desire, then it suddenly becomes all about hypergamous bitches getting raped because they have been denying guys their "natural desires". It becomes less about guys raping women, and more about stuck-up bitches getting what they deserve. Which is of course the reason why this political argument is so …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/14 08:57 AM
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Idk, im not the one making the suggestions. But you are the one claiming that these suggestions supposedly help prevent rape. Well, do they?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/14 08:46 AM
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Im talking less about dress and more about blackout drinking, but in general taking steps to reduce risk. Practically speaking, it would be way faster and easier to rape a passed out girl in a mini skirt than jeans. So does wearing jeans prevent rape or make it less likelier to get raped?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/14 08:10 AM
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Do you have any evidence that the way a woman dresses is a significant factor in the likelihood of her getting raped? Do you believe that a specific dress code prevents rape from happening? What kind of dress code would that be?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 07:30 PM
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Im saying advice about dressing and alcohol isnt trying to defend rape, just lower risk factors of it happening. And I'm saying that's bullshit. Again, if the first response you got when you told anybody you'd been robbed (including from police and legal officials), was people asking you how you dressed and if you somehow provoked your robbers into taking your money, would you think these people were trying to "lower risk factors of it happening"?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 07:17 PM
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Okay. But that's 5 out of 108 posts total.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 07:11 PM
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You know, if you have no idea at all of feminist concepts like patriarchy, it's probably less embarassing if you don't talk about feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 07:09 PM
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You know I have never understood the concern over so-called false rape allegations. To me it has always seemed like a TRP/MRA type boogie-man to create fear and distrust against women. I don't know, if my method of getting sex consisted primarily of emotional manipulation, browbeating, and ignoring the word "no", I would probably be worried about rape accusations as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 07:06 PM
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I disagree. Here is an analogy: I am a rich man. I decide go walk into a poor neighborhood that is notoriously crime ridden dressed in a 5k fitted suit wearing a 20k Rolex counting a stack of hundreds. I get robbed. Should the robber be prosecuted? Absolutely. Is what they did OK? Absolutely not. Did I put myself at risk with my behavior? Absolutely. How likely would you say is it that a judge or defense attorny would tell you that getting robbed was your own fault due to the way you dressed and…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 06:58 PM
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I count 2 or 3 at the most. Looks like another bout of selective perception to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 06:54 PM
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So this post doesn't prove anything at all in terms of RP theory, nor its opposite. Bingo.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 06:49 PM
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Translation: The post goes against my world view and I don't feel comfortable with that, therefore I'm going to dismiss it as false so that I can bury my head in the sand. After all, Redpillers would never do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 06:49 PM
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Why don't you just hire a prostitute? Case closed, no problems in your life any more.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 04:00 PM
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Sure, since somebody obviously made you the authority on what's right and wrong, my disagreement obviously means that I deliberately misunderstand and mischaracterize your position. Keep on trucking with your marvellous terper logic. I have no further desire to talk to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 03:13 PM
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You didn't even understand what I said RIGHT NOW and restate it right. Have you considered that if your ideas are constantly being "restated wrongly", then maybe what you type isn't actually a good description of the ideas in your head? You told me I was "restating" TRP "wrongly". That implies that you are unhappy with the words and phrases I choose to represent TRP claims., since I am understanding restate to mean "to state (something) again or differently" If that is not what you meant, then c…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 03:07 PM
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Also, just because you're reading TRP doesn't mean your restating it right Oh good lord, so just because I'm not using your stupid made-up terper words for everything I write, my characterization of TRP is wrong? Have you ever considered the faint possibility that you aren't the sole authority on what's right and wrong in the world?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 06:08 AM
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For example: Sexist screens, racist terms, homophobic comments, hateful rants are all perfectly fine. Hate speech is a-ok. Being shitty to people gets a free pass as long as you're not personally insulting anybody. The only thing that's actually considered bad form are personal attacks.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 06:05 AM
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Oh gee, another RP circlejerk. How cute.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 02:58 AM
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Either way, men here would be at the mercy of women's decisions to be mothers because that is the law and because it would be completely unethical to force an abortion on someone. Really, so I guess they were in no way responsible for their sperm ending up in a woman's body, huh? While women should really be intelligent enough not to sleep with irresponsible men and to realize that raising a child alone is not a good idea And once again, you are absolving men of any and all responsibility for th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 02:55 AM
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Either way, unless he's holding her down and forcing her to take the load(rape),the fault here is, at best, 50/50 and still completely irrelevant. There you are again, trying to argue that men bear no responsibility for their actions. After all, it's the woman's fault for not clenching her thighs shut and eject his sperm the moment she realizes the condom broke. We don't live in an age/culture where fertilization equates child. No, we live in an age where abortion still carries a huge social sti…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 11:59 PM
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Problem is, those guys are only responsible of not giving a fuck, not for carrying a life to term. That wasn't their choice. Then why did they choose to forgo contraception? Or are you now claiming that they must all have been forced not to wear condoms by their partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 11:10 PM
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BTW: http://mic.com/articles/88277/23-ways-feminism-has-made-the-world-a-better-place-for-men
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 04:20 PM
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You consistently, openly and notoriously mischaracterize RP views I generally base my characterization of RP views off of top voted, approved TRP threads, TRP articles labelled "required reading", and posts by TRP moderators or approved content providers. When I have not done so explicitly, I have, to my knowledge, always provided links when demanded. If they ARE expressing non-RP views then you can't USE THEM AS AN EXAMPLE of what "RP women" think. Who decides whether a Redpiller self-professed…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 01:19 PM
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If you don't have a right to do any of these things, then there must be something stopping you from doing that. Like laws. Actually it's usually the other way round with property - people are not acknowledged as rightful owners unless specified. Which is easy to miss if you're male, since males are generally assumed to have these rights by default, especially in countries with a strong common law tradition (US, UK, non-Francophone Canada). If women really didn't have rights to those things, then…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 10:58 AM
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And because voting rights cannot compare to right to owning private property, having a career, or being educated. So you disagree that voting is a basic right? Would you rather have a right to vote (which as stated, can impact things not that much, as is the case with women anti-suffragettes) or the right to own your place of living and being financially independent? Given that most women had neither of these, I don't know why you are even asking me this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 10:20 AM
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It isn't a dichotomy Of course not, if every woman is a Whore to you, then there cannot be a Madonna.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 10:19 AM
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Slut is a simple descriptor that has negative societal connotations but for TRP purposes serves as a non-value judgement label for a woman who appears unable to get men to commit to her. I guess it's just sheer coincidence, then, how many terpers vocally express their "disgust" for these women, then. http://np.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2cy7xp/men_arent_intimidated_by_a_sluts_sexual/
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 10:16 AM
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Isn't it kind of obvious? Or do you need me to spell it out for you? Suffragettes were members of women's organization (right to vote) movements in the late 19th and early 20th century
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 10:07 AM
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Any reason why you are excluding voting rights?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 10:03 AM
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Without men's consent? You mean when they're either gay or rapists, you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 09:57 AM
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So you are saying that women don't want sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 09:45 AM
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Basic economics. "You can't negotiate desire".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 09:44 AM
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I meant that there is no difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 05:06 AM
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10:1 that absolutely nothing will be done to tone down the TRP circlejerks and rules abuses by terpers here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 04:40 AM
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Except of course that many terpers take Valizadeh's guides as gospel truth, while very few reasonable people think femen are in fact offensive or even outrageous.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 04:30 AM
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He exercised his right to free speech despite some single mother may be hurt. If you want to stop him from doing that, then you must prove logically that those bad things can't happen theoretically, and don't happen often practically. Alternative to that is forbidding him from expressing his opinions. tldr: So're trying to forbid people from expressing their opinions unless they meet your arbitrary criteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 04:26 AM
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you are mischaracterizing them Or maybe they just don't think and feel along TRP-approved lines? I know it's a shocking thought, individual people having different thoughts or feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 04:14 AM
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the part where they fight the laws restricting education and property rights would be surely chronicled like the time they fought the law restricting their voting rights. The fact that they didn't explicitly show that, tells something. What are you talking about? Feminists pushed through several pieces of legislation, the most prominent being the Equal Pay Act (passed 1963 in the US, 1970 in the UK) banning payment discrimination based on gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 03:21 AM
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But the particular women's lib, the one concerned with removing "shaming" mechanisms from women - which I explicitly mentioned, happened in the 50s/60/s. 200 years after French Revolution. Are we not counting the Suffragette movement any more? If so, why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 03:14 AM
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As I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 03:07 AM
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No rpw ever says that ina marriage a man has to show BAD beta traits, again supplication and submission, they are all pretty openly repulsed by that Nobody thinks that their ideal partner should have bad traits, which should be self-evident. And you can shit on these women's choices all day long, fact is that they a) claim to be RP, and b) do not claim a desire to behave according to TRP tropes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 03:43 PM
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It looks like you're stuck in your TRP conversation script. Please read my posts again, then try to adress the points I am raising there.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 01:12 PM
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I am here to give a balanced presentation on the red pill So you're here to circlejerk. Gotcha.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 01:08 PM
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There was no need to insert that colouring into the sentence, except that you're an asshole. You mean alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 12:59 PM
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I do not care for feminist arguments Then why are you here? Why be part of a debate sub when you don't care for the other side of the debate anyway? Are you just here for the trolling and circlejerking?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 12:56 PM
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Right, that's exactly what happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 12:54 PM
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It's kind of sad, these people are buying so hard into their "always dominate, always be on top" mentality that they can't even concede another person's point in an internet argument, even when argueing the opposite makes literally no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 12:48 PM
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No man, if it doesn't work for everyone, it doesn't work for anyone. All people are inherently the same. Of course "all" means "some", "many", "a lot" or "a few" depending on context.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 12:45 PM
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Blue v red is about their cognitive approach to intersex relations, it has nothing to do with actual success rate. Really? I thought TRP is everything that "works"? By definition, then, TRP works every time always, because every approach that works is RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 12:44 PM
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So, alpha beta fux, alpha beta bux?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 12:36 PM
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Yeah I don't know where in my post I said my man wasn't attractive. It's terper logic. If your relationship does not conform to TRP standard tropes then either you must be lying, or you left out information that would reaffirm TRP dogma again.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 12:35 PM
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I don't see how this is denying AF/BB. Really? Try reading this sentence again: "The whole "alpha fux, beta bux" thing says women want both, and women will want the beta after going through a bunch of alphas (if she can), or will eventually cheat on the beta." The RPW I talked to explicitly stated that their true loves were men displaying both alpha and beta attributes, therefore solidifying their relationships. They did not state, however, that they were looking to score themselves some betas t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 12:29 PM
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The amount of abuse they took in their daily reputation(outside of work) due to feminism took them far beyond what they ever experienced due to patriarchy. Do you have a source for that or are you just trolling and circlejerking like you usually do?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 09:12 AM
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I think they're mostly alright, all things considered.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 09:09 AM
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I had to read a couple History books my BA. It sure as hell didn't take, or else you wouldn't spout empty headed nonsense like this one: Women have been able to get all of the privileges of being the gentler sex with out having to spend shitty ass time plowing fields, or defending them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 07:45 AM
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impromptu feminist brigades on reddit and elsewhere Yea, reddit sure is flooded with feminists of all kinds! I guess upvotes in the 1-2k range simply isn't enough for a random bigoted rant these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 07:38 AM
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An ugly woman CEO will still just be an ugly woman CEO. Meanwhile, a fat, ugly bald man with an empire will have his harem. The key pieces of the sexual market and have always been women. Whatever women incentivize, men will do. So let me get this straight: You believe that women determine and dominate your "sexual marketplace"? I take it you are also convinced that women want to be judged by men for nothing but youthful looks? That most women are not wonderful, but rather seem hypocritical, sol…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 07:29 AM
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In almost every industry that holds great value to society * ahem * * cough * * harrumph *
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 07:22 AM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_theory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_feminism Educate yourself, grasshopper.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 07:18 AM
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Are people meant to be anything? I'd argue we are meant to reproduce, outside of that I can't think of anything we are meant to do. Technically no, we aren't "meant" to reproduce either. It's just something a lot of people do, and which just so happens to be one important factor in the survival of our species.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 07:16 AM
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Evolution doesn't care. Evolution literally cannot care. It's a pattern with no awareness or drive of its own.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 07:15 AM
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of course OP as a woman only told us her point of view. Where as if she were a guy she would of course be stating objective truths.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 07:13 AM
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This part: The whole "alpha fux, beta bux" thing says women want both, and women will want the beta after going through a bunch of alphas (if she can), or will eventually cheat on the beta. The RP women I talked to claimed that men can be both alpha and beta, so they could be happy with one.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 07:11 AM
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Whereas RP women are consistently denying that this is the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 07:05 AM
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Why do you assume that all issues in the bedroom are about attraction?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 07:03 AM
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What I was trying to get at is that our genetic qualities don't have to be evolutionary advantages in order to be passed down the generations. A significant portion of our genetics is "legacy code" or simply qualities that are just not strongly detrimental to our ability to reproduce.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 07:01 AM
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Indeed, feminism needs to be around because there's no guarantee that more people won't attach themselves to morally bankrupt ideologies like conservative fundamentalism, Redpill, "Men's" Rights etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 08:13 PM
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Ah, so it's a reheated version of the "welfare mom" myth.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 11:47 AM
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I've read some articles on jezebel, elite daily, salon, etc that make me believe you are wrong. For example...?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 09:42 AM
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So you accept that women do have more say in the birth of a child? No, I am saying that they have more to do in the birth of a child. That responsibility then should includes the disapproval from TRP without people claiming TRP are a bunch of sexist hypocrites for this reason. Why? Also, you should phrase is that sentence as "most single mothers take way more responsibility than the father." No, I shouldn't. Fact is that rearing a child is a huge responsibility, far more than cashing in a payche…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 08:35 AM
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Equality in the decision process of having a kid. If that doesn't happen, then I want the party with more decision power to take on more of the responsibility. But single mothers are already taking on much, much more of the responsibility, even if the father does pay alimony (which isn't the case as often as TRP bemoans).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 08:04 AM
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I don't believe unprotected sex alone signs people up for the responsibility of a child. Society already agrees that women don't have that responsibility. The women still can have an abortion or drop the child off at the hospital and never see the kids again. You just said "it is still taboo to get an abortion. There is also a lot of religious influence in the states." It seems to me that you are trying to explain away the prevalence of female single parents while also putting the blame entirely…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 07:41 AM
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You write as if I hadn't seen this posted in more or less the same words several times over in the past few months.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 07:16 AM
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What about the men who sired these children? I thought all men are shackled to their children and cannot escape? Or is that only true for beta bux?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 07:15 AM
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Why buy when you can rent?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 07:12 AM
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Are you saying that the woman has no choice in the matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 07:09 AM
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Women have unilateral power over pregnancies, which imo is good, but only they have the power to get out of parenthood. Men do not unfortunately. If that were true, then why are there so many single mothers?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 06:49 AM
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BDSM would be a caricature. What is it with terpers and their constant urge to shit on other people's lifestyles? In RP circles, dominance has another meaning entirely. It sounds pretty much exactly like BDSM, except it's not just about enacting a sexual fantasy, but extending your play-acting into your everyday life.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 06:48 AM
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There's youtube for technique, and the mirrors at the gym are there so that you can see whether you're doing things right. That may be true if you already have some experience with the proper technique. As a newb just starting out I'd rather not rely on my own judgement just yet. And finding a weight that's 'comfortable' isn't really going to help. If you're just starting out then it's important to know how much you can lift without hurting yourself. That's what I meant with "comfortable".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 05:33 AM
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They have never dominated a woman I didn't know all men are into BDSM.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 05:29 AM
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Is that why men stress constantly over whether they are really macho enough for their peer group?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 05:28 AM
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Why do women base so much of their self-worth on societal expectations/magazines/words of others, to the point that it causes them emotional/psychological/physical distress? I don't know, why do men base so much of their self worth on societal expectations/magazines/words of others, to the point that it causes them emotional/psychological/physical distress?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 05:27 AM
0

That's TRP in a nutshell.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 05:24 AM
1

This thread asked my opinion on single mothers. And we got the standard TRP script that all women are sluts and two bit whores yadda yadda yadda. Much appreciated!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 05:21 AM
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You're basically saying women are stupid and have no agency. You are basically saying that men are not responsible for what they are doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 05:20 AM
0

You mean the direct quotes by people who are totally not true Red Pill and you totally misread their intentions?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 05:18 AM
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The single mothers who rode the cock carousel, got pregnant with the sperm of a man she cannot remember/identify, and then feels entitled to marrying a rich, successful, handsome, man are the women I hate. So basically, you hate the single mothers that exist only in your head.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 05:03 AM
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I'm thankful you took the time to really read what I said, and give a relevant response. Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 05:00 AM
0

I'm curious, isn't it kind of awkward, fucking people while you drive? It also sounds unsafe as hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 04:47 AM
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You mean, each TRP subscriber gets to ride in a Lamborghini once?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 04:46 AM
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China is a country where having a pretty girl/mistress/prostitute on the side is a huge status symbol for guys, especially wealthy ones. I wouldn't say what goes on there is very conducive to comparison with Western culture where these things largely don't happen on that scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 02:59 AM
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The assumption is that most of the women getting in that car are not purely looking for the experience or adventure like OP, but they're taking a step towards a relationship/sex ... are they? Again, am I missing something or do you guys really believe that getting into a guy's car is code for "I want to fuck that guy"!?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 02:54 AM
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Do you think there some unwritten contract where you sit in a guy's car, you have to fuck him?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 02:51 AM
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And why wouldn't they? They get to drive in a Lamborghini.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 02:50 AM
2

Have you considered the faint possibility that it's your posts that are the cause of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 10:53 PM
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What you don't understand is that my posting strategy is amoral. Therefore you cannot tell me that what I'm doing is immoral!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 10:51 PM
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Because some people here harbor grudges.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 10:48 PM
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Why human women evolved to menstruate. Seems pretty inefficient. FWIW, humans are still born with an appendix, even though it's probably the single largest attractor of pathogens and pathogen-induced inflammations. We didn't evolve to be more efficient.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 07:29 PM
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What I don't understand about men is, why they keep insisting that their feelings constitute objective reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 07:24 PM
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How hard is it exactly? Exactly as hard as you choose to make it on yourself! And that's not a stock phrase, just find the weight (and technique) you're most comfortable with and lift. But do get a qualified trainer to show you the proper techniques. (A friend of mine has a trainer certificate, and let me tell you there's a world of a difference between trying to figure things out for yourself, and having somebody who actually knows what they're talking about show you the ropes!)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 07:18 PM
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Yeah for some reason women feel like they need to do fundamentally different workouts than men. Which makes no sense and is harmful to women as whole. It makes a lot of sense if you believe that men and women are fundamentally different.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 07:17 PM
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Mostly because the guys who fantasize the most about giving anal are the least likely to actually be considerate and delicate about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 07:14 PM
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Yeah, Jezebel would go into a fit of rage at that (gender reversed) explanation were given by a man. Do you have evidence of this being the case, or are you just assuming that based on their reputation as a feminist site?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 05:39 PM
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How do you know that the reason for that is specifically sexual objectification?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 05:37 PM
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So you reject the feminist term then complain that feminist use a term coined by feminist philosophy. What is it you wanted to discuss again?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 05:30 PM
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But you believe that it is a common response to watching other people?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 05:25 PM
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So, when you walk on the beach "taking in the sites[sic]", how often would you say that people respond to you with random shouts of "don't objectify me!"?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 05:18 PM
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Yea, those "feminists", always projecting when cited by terpers in quotes of dubious vericity.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 05:14 PM
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Do you believe that when a word becomes more widespread, its original definition is no longer valid? Nussbaum provides a fairly clear definition that's widely (though of course not universally) accepted. Do you reject that definition? If so, why?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 05:12 PM
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I am convinced!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 04:49 PM
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Wikipedia provides a fairly good summary of one of the most common definitions of objectification, by Martha Nussbaum, an influential philosopher and feminist: A person is objectified if they are treated: as a tool for another's purposes (instrumentality) as if lacking in agency or self-determination (denial of autonomy, inertness) as if owned by another (ownership) as if interchangeable (fungibility) as if permissible to damage or destroy (violability) as if there is no need for concern for the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 04:43 PM
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Do you disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 04:33 PM
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This woman basically talks about how she spent a decade fucking bad boys, using them to "better herself", how she doesn't regret any of it, etc, "banging random whores" and how it made him feel liberated, all of that "pumping and dumping" these worthless chicks, Notice the difference? Now, let's say a man wrote an article about how he spent his 20's "banging random whores" and how it made him feel liberated, all of that "pumping and dumping" these worthless chicks, but he's not sorry about any o…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 04:20 PM
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I guess that answers this question, then: Do you really want my answer or do you just want to fight?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 04:17 PM
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If TRP hated women so much, they wouldn't obsess so hard about what turns chicks on and how to become everything a girl wants. They do? Last time I checked they were already convinced they already knew "what turns chicks on" better than any woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 04:11 PM
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There is nothing lazy about refusing to read this. You have no real thesis, no real argument that anyone can argue for or against, a shit ton of rhetorical questions that don't even make sense, and a bunch of assertions that need some sort of justification. Never thought I'd agree with a hardcore terper like you, but yea, that's pretty much spot on.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 04:09 PM
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It's a very simple question, really. Weird that so far only 2 people have actually responded to it. You won't get a straight answer from a terper. Ever. Their entire conversational strategy is based on deception, evasion, and misdirection. Which makes sense really, given that this is also their pick up strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 03:51 PM
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So... none of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 04:12 AM
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because if it is so absurd, illogical, misogynistic, etc. won't it just die out? Human history has shown us that an ideology cannot be absurd and illogical enough to die out on its own. You can find people believing literally any stupid shit as long as it gives them a scapegoat to blame for their personal problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 04:08 AM
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Tell it to your fellow BluePillers and feminists, please, it seems like they haven't gotten the memo yet. You mean the ones who have vocally spoken out against censorship?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 04:04 AM
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Cosmo has a large community of readers who agree with it and write for it. So does the Daily Mail. See where I'm going with this?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 04:02 AM
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Who said cosmo was feminist? Its the female mainstream. Which according to TRP are one and the same. Yea, I know, it makes no sense, but that's TRP for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 04:02 AM
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Cosmo claims that men are inferior, stupid and immature? Honestly I didn't know that. Then again I don't think I've ever actually read Cosmo.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 04:01 AM
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You are right, I should have asked him if it was really rape or maybe it was just consensual sex he didn't like afterward. Or maybe insinuate that he was just mad at an ex gf and trying to make her look bad. Or maybe just try to explain how he wasn't careful enough to not get raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 03:56 AM
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That is what it should mean, but that isn't how it is used. No? It sounds completely accurate in the context of TRP, a sub fostering condescension and hostility towards women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 07:42 PM
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I used the word co-related. What correlation do you see that suggests a collective struggle of survival between different human societies? If the logic that human societies compete for dominance, survival, status, etc and thus have should have an advantage to gain from possibly liberating women doesn't stand on its own, than you may consider yourself having won the argument. It doesn't stand on its own because there is no indication that human societies, as a collective, "compete" against each o…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 07:40 PM
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That's the standard I hold myself to. Never go below the opposite party in tactics. So if they're a troll, you can at least let them know. I bet it's easy for you to talk calmly about how you think all women are sluts and two bit whores who only deserve to be trained into submissive pets.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 07:28 PM
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I lost my virginity to rape. How do you feel when you see people claim that girls who get raped are lying or wanted it all along?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 07:02 PM
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Well, for one, I consider the word "misogynistic" almost meaningless at this point - it basically means, "I don't agree with you," or "I'm offended." No, it means "you are condescending or hostile towards women for no reason but because they are women".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 06:56 PM
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And you are still evading my question what book or article you actually got the idea from that human societies are locked in a struggle for survival, and that oppression of women ensured the survival of said societies.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 06:53 PM
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Answer me this: If I start with a quarter jug more by default, do I not possess an inherent advantage? Yes. I already acknowledged that. I also pointed out that potential is not the same as actuality, a basic distinction which you apparently still struggle to grasp. Also, I'm not as much of an asshole. I think you'll find I'm one of the most respectful guys on TRP, and the guy who tries out and invents more harmless variants of potentially harmful game. I'm sure that's how you like to see yourse…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 06:35 PM
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I think it has more to do with the fact that, as a young male dominated portal, reddit is extraordinarily supportive of manosphere circlejerks, compared to most of the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 06:34 PM
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I gave a source in the other comment before. You mean the comment where you avoided citing a source by referring me to "basic anthropology literature"? Yea, I read and responded to that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 06:19 PM
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So TRP exists just for me?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 06:18 PM
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No, I will not source that claim past a link to the basics of anthropology, especially social anthropology in this case. Thanks, but I am familiar with the basics of social anthropology (I was a socsci major once), which is why I was waiting for you to produce a source for your claim that human societies are competing for survival. Because that claim is very much at odds with the established knowledge in conteporary social anthropology, though it was very popular in proto-anthropological literat…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 06:13 PM
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Your argument is, I start with a jug half full, while she has one a quarter full. And if I do nothing to fill my jar, a woman may surpass me. That is what potentiality vs. actuality implies, yes. Congratulations at finally understanding my argument, and with a minimum of the insults and belittling language that you so habitually employ against me. I'm curious, are you this much of an asshole when debating guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 06:09 PM
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True or false, an institution other than the POTUS has final authority over some aspects, such as initiating legislation, passing bills, interpreting the constitution, or actual declarations of war? It's called Separation of Powers, one of the core aspects of modern representative democracy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 05:58 PM
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Apparently it is for you, because that's exactly what I said. Do you want me to explain how representative democracies work, and how they don't come with immutable/fixed leadership?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 05:44 PM
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So the answer is "no, I don't have any sources for my claim". Thanks for clearing that up.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 05:42 PM
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TheRedPill/askTRP: Women are conniving dishonorable bitches. How can I fuck them without having to deal with feelings and other girly shit? As well as being better prepared for when she does her stupid woman stuff. 2X/relationships(_advice): Men aren't doing what I expected or want. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 05:37 PM
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That's the first time I heard that the POTUS or the Chancellor of Germany are immutable leaders with absolute powers. Are you sure you understand how representative democracies work?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 05:33 PM
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Again, you imply that making the girl happy isn't what you really want.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 05:31 PM
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But none of these guys are true Scotsmen!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 05:29 PM
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the difference is just the endgame and TRP's endgame appeals to many men I'm curious, what is TRP's "endgame"?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 05:27 PM
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Anyone who still hates women is either blue-pilled to no end or sucks extremly at being RedPill. Hatred is a very strong emotion that women aren't worthy of. Indifference is what RedPillers, who know what they're doing, feel towards women. Is that why you guys have constructed this elaborate theory explaining how women are really conniving dishonorable bitches with the emotional maturity of a teenager?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 05:24 PM
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So you actually don't want to make girls happy, after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 05:22 PM
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Thank you for putting it so well in your post.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 05:19 PM
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I don't see what's wrong. Men will naturally grow to be stronger. No. They have the potential to grow stronger. Do I have to explain to you the difference between potential and actual qualities? Just because somebody has the genetic potential to have a certain quality does not mean they will inevitably acquire that quality, unless they find themselves in circumstances that allow them to acquire that quality in actuality. Are men inherently predisposed to muscle mass gain? Yes. But again, actuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 05:15 PM
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Can you name any large organization, company or society that works off this model, rather than a model with fixed leadership? The United States of America? The Roman Republic? Most European countries?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 05:10 PM
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You deserve to be in a relationship where the women respects your opinions and feelings. This right here, terpers. And its companion: Your partner deserves to be in a relationship where you respect her opinions and feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 05:08 PM
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Help me shed light to why BP thinks that a 50-50 is the optimal way of being in a relationship. Because a relationship is not composed of one person, but two. It follows from this that trying to achieve the desires of both would be the optimal way to conduct a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 05:03 PM
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Well, there are plenty of anthropological explanations for why its happening now, and it has nothing to do with women. Of course, how could we be so blind! The increased participation of women in the top layers of politics, economics, science and society has absolutely nothing to do with women at all! Suppressing women(and especially their dual sexual strategies) was almost essentially tied with success as a society. Do you have a source for that claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 04:57 PM
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that guy unapologetically listed some advantages with minimal cliches and minimal mitigating qualifiers. Unlike, say, 75% of the RP answers in the other thread, who all agreed that women are conniving, deceptive, and overly emotional.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 04:48 PM
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Seems TRP men are more generous towards women than TBP women are towards men. I know, it's so generous to claim that women are inferior to men in all but a few aspects!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 04:46 PM
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Like your other RP friends, you evidently don't know what the word inherent means.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 04:43 PM
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Believing men are inherently stronger due to the fact that they are men is not contradictory with one instance of a woman being stronger. Yes it is. in·her·ent : belonging to the basic nature of someone or something source
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 04:42 PM
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in a world where societies were demonstrably utterly paranoid about competition and survival, and developed extraordinarily far-reaching traits to enhance their performance in those in every respect. Can you provide a source for these claims?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 04:36 PM
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As I stated in another response. Women were valued for their ability to reproduce. If a woman has a baby between the ages of 14-20, there wasn't much time for her to cultivate a trade, intellectual pursuit, etc... It's not just that, e.g. in Classical Greece women were deliberately kept from education because they would be married off anyway, while men could receive a broad education from sports to mathematics to philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 04:34 PM
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/little known fact: the socratic method was actually a mixed martial arts move that, when performed correctly, involves ripping a mans spine through his rib cage. Philosophize that bitch! Funny you would mention the Socratic method. Plato believed that most differences between men and women were the product of education, not genetics, and the Platonic Academy had quite a few female members.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 04:32 PM
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Such a society should logically have dominated and then been emulated. Isn't that what's happening right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 04:29 PM
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Nothing, really. I don't believe that there is a substantial difference between ALL men and ALL women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 04:28 PM
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If it makes you feel better, he's been trolling BluePill as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 04:27 PM
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So you also deny that strategy is about achieving goals, and about preserving things of greater value while sacrificing things of lesser value. Do I have that right?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 10:25 PM
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Take a look at the majority of the posts you see on "The Red pill' - Mass quantities of insecure males trying to 'crack the code' of woman; when the real secret is, "There is no code" - there is no special things to say, or do. This illusion of it's all based on monetary, fame, and social status is just something that insecure guys who watched a lot of Television, MTV, listened to Rap, or let the media brain wash them. This is an actual Matrix moment that, sadly, most RPers refuse to experience.…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 10:20 PM
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So you deny that the wellbeing of women is of lesser value to TRP strategy than (the appearance of) male dominance?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 10:14 PM
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I see. That makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 04:34 PM
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And that is not TRP, that is AskMen, a different subreddit with far different values. Which is frequently being trawled by terpers. The second most of top comments, for example, is by a guy who posts in TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 07:50 AM
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Whatever the reason, I'm sure we can find some way to blame women for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 07:48 AM
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A lot of people will object to the implication that single mothers are to be blamed for the situation they are in. Not TRP, though!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 07:44 AM
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"Another way to look at it: I am going to ignore any and all evidence and just tell you guys that TRP is totally right about everything."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 07:42 AM
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Preferably in a way that terpers can still "win" this debate, amirite!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 07:40 AM
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As an example: http://np.reddit.com/r/AskMen/comments/1lnrvu/female_wondering_why_guys_are_so_hard_on/ Example for what? All I can see is a bunch of redpillers heckling a woman who speaks about her choice of partners. Is that supposed to show me how "men" are so much better at empathy than "women"?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 07:37 AM
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You are not special, I'm not special. For example, you keep regurgitating the same old shit I've already heard several dozen times on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 02:54 AM
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And then on top of that, because women only have X chromosomes, actually their actual DNA is slightly more similar. Maybe you should read a few more books on genetics before spouting inane nonsense like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 02:51 AM
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No women aren't a hive mind. However they do all share almost identical DNA, more identical than men. Ladies and gentlemen, the pinnacle of Redpill STEM knowledge!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 02:46 AM
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I just think the core concepts are interesting on their own. You mean misogyny and macho fetishism?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 02:45 AM
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Of course it doesn't actually stop any brigading from happening since anybody with half a brain can just replace "np" with "www" again.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 02:39 AM
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You seem to have a lot of problems with BP. Let me ask you, is there any real reason for you to come to this sub at all, or are you just using PPD as an exotic setting to circlejerk with your terper friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 02:37 AM
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And rps is trying very hard to avoid the message being diluted Oh, that's another good one!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 02:35 AM
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They're more concerned with the signal:noise ratio. Yea, that's a good one!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 02:32 AM
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I hate Islamic fundamentalism But they have so much in common with TRP!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 02:28 AM
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TRP will eventually get banned. Reddit doesn't ban racists, pedophiles, or even bona fide gay bashers. They will literally allow any terrible shit sub to continue so long as it doesn't get traction with mainstream news media. I very much doubt that they will ban a manosphere circlejerk like TRP unless one of the TRP mods manages to get doxxed doing something that's actually considered a serious crime by the mainstream.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 02:25 AM
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Today on TBP we see a call to action to try to censor TRP. In your link the very first (and topvoted) response says, to quote verbatim: "I'm not for banning TheRedPill on reddit. I'm not for banning people speaking their mind publicly in general."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 02:19 AM
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Wow, is there anything positive to say about women that terpers haven't yet turned into an accusation or an insult?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 02:11 AM
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In practical terms, what solipsism means is that you think the world revolves around you. No, that's egocentrism, a variant of egoism/egotism. But let's face it, the real reason why Rpers continue to use the term "solipsistic" wrongly is that most of them never made it past high school level English, and thus didn't even notice that their usage was at odds with the widely accepted meaning of the word until the anti-RP crowd pointed it out for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 02:09 AM
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Unless I am wrong in that, part of empathy is being able to understand why someone feels the way they do. Which falls under the umbrella of Emotional Intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 02:05 AM
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It sounds like your goal here is to be a pedantic asshole, which I want no part of. So, you are constantly redefining words away from their original meaning just so you can claim you're correct.... but he is the pedantic asshole. Riiiight.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 02:00 AM
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It's generally understood amongst TRP'ers that men have greater empathy than women, despite the common misconception to the contrary. So you actually disagree with fiat_lux in his claim that women have a greater EQ
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 01:58 AM
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having empathy/sympathy selflessness But women are all "solipsistic", meaning that they cannot relate to anything that does not relate to themselves somehow. Doesn't that imply they are worse at being selfless and empathy than (non-"solipsistic) men?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 01:48 AM
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tightening a lug nut Oh yea, tighten that lug nut! swoons
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 01:42 AM
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to the point where we get the 80/20 rule ... that doesn't actually exist in real life, mind you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 01:37 AM
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I'm not insecure and intimidated, I just don't care. If a woman's job doesn't influence her success one way or another, why even bring it up at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 01:36 AM
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You can't have a strategy without values - strategy is all about achieving your goals by preserving things of greater value, while sacrificing things of lesser value. In the context of TRP, that means getting your dick wet (short term goal) and turning a woman into a submissive housewive (long term goal). It tells you to assert your dominance as a male (greater value) by sacrificing the emotional and economic wellbeing of women (lesser values). The assumption that TRP is value neutral is not onl…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 09:51 PM
1

So there is nothing wrong with being a beta after all?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 06:22 PM
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And yet another RP circlejerk. This sub is starting to look more and more like all the other TRP colony subs.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 07:18 AM
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Your post title assumes a value system wherein one person can be inherently superior to another aka TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 04:22 AM
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They are emotionally unhealthy and are kinda incapable of handling conflict in general. How does that differ from your typical Redpiller? "alpha" traits are traits that are specifically attractive to women. So being considerate, sensitive, and emotionally mature are alpha traits? How come that TRP almost completely neglects these areas in its "self improvement" program?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 04:19 AM
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In what way? Presumably, the way in which TRP uses the term "alpha" and "beta".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 04:18 AM
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Thanks, I fixed the list.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 04:16 AM
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Why, did I miss something?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 04:15 AM
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a mark a player in a negotiation FYI those two are not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 11:46 PM
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The one about women being manipulative...being manipulative isn't exactly a good quality to most people. And it doesn't even say that women are naturally good at manipulation, just that women have a Machiavellian and deceitful nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 11:39 PM
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So women are not inferior to men, it's just that men are superior to women when it comes to altruism honor logical thinking leadership decisionmaking intelligence intellectual maturity taking initiative romantically purity of love physical activity doing things technology, art, literature, and civilization in general Do I have that correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 11:36 PM
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Guy here. I think all people are solipsitic, but the ways in which we're solipsistic differs by gender. So men are incapable of unconditional love, too?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 11:33 PM
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Don't worry honey, I'm sure TRP appreciates your efforts.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 05:48 PM
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You completely ignored and dismissed the OP and turned the discussion into yet another regurgitation of TRP stock phrases, under the assumption that TRP is of course 100% correct. How is that not circlejerking?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 04:42 PM
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Which has nothing to do with TRP's ideas of "sexual strategy".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 09:40 AM
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Ummm yeah? What the hell do you think I was absorbing before TRP? So now that you're on TRP you've stopped reading non-TRP stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 09:24 AM
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If your wife was uneasy with being turned into a submissive housewife, she could just as easily say, "Hey, this is not cool" and divorce her husband, correct? Which is why TRP advocates dread game to scare her into staying with her emotionally abusive husband. She is after all human and is capable of making decisions for herself. Which is apparently the single thing TRPers find most disgusting about modern society, that women are allowed to make decisions for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 09:22 AM
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Why would you invoke Darwin in the first place? AFAIK he never wrote a single book about pickup artistry.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 09:20 AM
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So it's okay when I say that all men are immature idiots with the minds of a teenager? After all, it's not like they are inferior or anything, and I clearly mean "all people".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 09:12 AM
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Then I suppose we should be putting out less effort for the sole purpose of sex. Let's just cut out the bullshit and just get to the sex, correct? That sounds like the quintessence of the dating style endorsed by TRP, yes. You're oversimplifying and exaggerating our point. Sex is indeed a big factor that goes into a relationship, but it is not the end all be all. You are correct, of course. There is also advice on how to turn your girlfriend into a submissive housewife, and how to make her feel …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 09:11 AM
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No. Are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 09:05 AM
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And yet, to TRP a woman is just a vagina. So why do we strive to understand them and improve our interactions with women? According to TRP, because you want to fuck them in the vagina. And possibly other orifices. Do I get a cookie?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 09:03 AM
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Do you view TRP as the equivalent of lizard people theories? I'd say no. Lizard people theories are at the very least worth a laugh. TRP makes me sad at best, and angry at worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 09:01 AM
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I don't mean weak in general, I mean weak wrt one's ability to achieve desired outcomes in the context of sexual strategy. "Sexual strategy" is bullshit, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 08:59 AM
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May not think like us but they are. Yea, they are basically human beings. They are only less capable of logical reasoning, less honorable, and less mature than most of us. You could compare them to sullen little boys, once you realize that mentally they are really just teenagers it's much easier to interact with them properly.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 08:56 AM
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And more RP circlejerking. Why are you guys even here? Can't find any new recruits in /r/conservative any more?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 08:53 AM
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I have asked you a question. So tell me, are we supposed to accept at face value that women are inherently stupider, less mature, and less honorable than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 08:50 AM
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You didn't come to PPD to debate; you're here to find every possible means to shut us down. You know what's interesting? I have never in this sub seen a single Redpiller post made with an honest desire to listen what the other side has to say. Everything terpers here post is about how awesome TRP is and how much they get laid because of it, and how clueless and naive and stupid people are for not believing in TRP. This entire discussion is about TRPers advertising for TRP, and expecting anti-RPe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 08:41 AM
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And to understand how these traits affect men. If women were devoid of positive traits, men would not interact with them. It's pretty obvious that in the eyes of TRP, the sole thing of worth in a woman is her body, specifically her vagina.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 08:39 AM
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So what you really want to do is circlejerk. Can't you do that at TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 08:37 AM
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So we are supposed to accept at face value that women are inherently stupider, less mature, and less honorable than men? Is that what you're saying, that we shouldn't be allowed to debate the validity of TRP's views on women?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 08:36 AM
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In fact, most TRPers will tell you that women have the superior hand in the sexual politics arena. How can this be when they have the mind of a teenager and can't think logically?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 08:34 AM
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So being irrational, dishonorable, deceitful, manipulative, immature and stupid isn't actually inferior at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 08:31 AM
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But not actually being intelligent, of course! That's for guys!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 08:29 AM
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i doubt when a red piller said it that they meant women are more narcissitic than men, they probs just meant women are narcissistic like all people but they said women instead of man or people because its a sub for men to talk about women and therefore makes no sense to also add that men are narcissistic. So when they mean that women are really just immature idiots with the mind of a teenager or a small child, they really mean that all people are like that, they only said "women" instead of "man…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 08:29 AM
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They're not inferior, they're just better at certain things than men & vise versa. If you asked a fish to turn on a computer you would be disappointed, doesn't mean it's a bad fish. So women are a different species than men? Mainstream advice sucks, RP advice works And supporting Scientology makes you rich and powerful.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 08:26 AM
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if something isn't talked about a lot it isn't because we don't want to "look bad". Rhiiiiiiiiiight.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 08:26 AM
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is it also sexist when women try to learn what men are attracted to? I wonder, have you ever bothered talking to a woman to find out what she wants?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 08:21 AM
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"What do women want" is a cultural meme that stems out of sexism, IMO. And it's kind of pathetic how nobody so far ever bothered to ask women what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 08:20 AM
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Tell us more about why you say TRP considers women inferior, I would like to understand you better. Why don't you tell us first why you are so convinced that women are inferior. I mean what do you gain from making such a claim? Does it somehow make you feel better about manipulating women when you're telling yourself that they are too irrational and immature to interact with as an adult person?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 08:18 AM
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I have personally met very few "rational" women. And I have yet to meet a single Redpiller who could qualify for that label. Funny that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 08:12 AM
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Yes, we manipulate to get what we want, as do women. And yet you claim that women are naturally manipulative, while men are not. Funny that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 08:10 AM
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I know women aren't inferior to men, which is why I treat them as human beings. What does that even mean? A lot of human beings are treated rather awfully. You're victimizing women, do you realize that? You believe that they are incapable of defending themselves, hence, you try to play the role of the hero. You do know that there are women on PPD, right? Or are you so gung-ho about following your stupid TRP script that you didn't even bother to check?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 08:10 AM
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There is nothing that we need to understand about positive traits. I can tell you that women on average, tend to be more caring and softer than men. There is nothing I need to understand about that. But apparently it's really important to know that women are immature, irrational, manipulative, and passive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 08:07 AM
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If you're implying that different means inferior, it's because you have made the decision to interpret that statement the way you do based on your biases. If I call you irrational, immature, manipulative, dishonorable and passive, would you think of these as negative?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 08:06 AM
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If I were to survey a large sample of women, they would likely prefer to have a man who works and makes more than she does. Really, where are you getting this information from?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 08:05 AM
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Calling that all negative is a bit myopic. Most of it's centered around goals to get more babies, and get those babies as provided for as possible. Is that why you think women are irrational and immature?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 08:03 AM
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You're taking the words of a select few and extending it to the whole community. And you apparently have no clue what TRP is actually about: http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1ypnv3/red_pill_antibiotic_nuke_come_and_feed/
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 08:02 AM
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It's really nothing more than a sad and wrongheaded attempt at a coping strategy for guys who can't get over being rejected by a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 07:52 AM
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You literally don't know how to use the word "literally" correctly.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 09:12 AM
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The camel always knows where the parrot points.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 08:46 AM
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you wouldn't say that on a date Of course you wouldn't, TRP teaches us after all that women are too stupid to comprehend advanced male logic!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 01:05 AM
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I have always been fairly notorious for saying/doing shit that pisses some people off tons while others think is hilarious I can see that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 05:03 AM
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But yeah, sure you get rejected, but if it goes from 1 in 10 women saying yes to 3 in 10 that's a 300% increase. Of course, you don't know whether it's 1/10 or 3/10, you just go by the number that "feels" right. And since you're TRP believer, it "feels" right that TRP would make you more successful. Following these strategies doesn't guarantee you'll get every girl you want, just that you'll be the most attractive version of yourself. Girls swoon over bitter angry misogynists!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 05:00 AM
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TRP's truths are backed up by evidence that is either widely anecdotal or based on scientific studies, and sometimes being a combination of the two. Just like Creationism, Phrenology, or Astrology.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 04:58 AM
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You can do your own research. (Not that you would, since you're not interested in the subject to begin with.)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 04:34 AM
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Then you are foolish. I'm not going to spend hours listening to Rush Limbaugh and talking about the points he raises - because he is stupid and deserves to be ignored. And yet here we are, spending hours reading insipid terper bullshit and pretending that their arguments actually make sense to a sane human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 04:14 AM
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I'm just saying that if you're looking to The Daily Mail as inspiration for the way you manage your relationships you might want to reevaluate your philosophy Let's be fair, if they were capable of judging the validity and reliability of a source, they wouldn't be redpillers to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 04:08 AM
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Its standard "hurr I'm a big silly caveman at heart give me steak and a blowjob and I'm happy" stuff. And ironically this is exactly what TRP preaches as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 04:06 AM
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Was there ever anything to debate do begin with?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/14 10:44 PM
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I like this article. People often forget that a huge amount of our brain structure is the result of development during our lifetime, not some genetic pre-determinism borne out of supposed "evolutionary" imperatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/14 10:41 PM
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How about Bertha von Suttner? You know, one of the most influential pacifists and suffragetes of the Fin de Siècle?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/14 09:14 PM
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Except when it comes to complaining about manipulative hypergamous bitches. Or when it comes to asserting that men are superior to women because of their "honor". Or when it comes to explaining away abusive behavior as a-ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 08:22 PM
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I mean really, you'd think people could just walk away or not give a shit about things they disagree with. Yea, I don't know why people would keep hating on those whom they blame for their failures.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 06:57 PM
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Maybe you should fucking read your own sub before you make such inane comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 06:55 PM
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Although the "True Confidence" term was added in a later revision that got sent out and personally, I hate it. Of course you do, because it implies that TRP instills false confidence in its acolytes.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 06:49 PM
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So more than 50% of all the women there have approached you for casual sex? How many would that be? 50? 100? 500?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 06:36 PM
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during the actual pregnancy scrutiny runs pretty high so I can understand why you care more about those 9 months than the rest of time you need to be a parent. No, during the actual pregnancy your actual physical mobility is limited and so is your ability to hold a job. That this does not even enter your mind when discussing the horrible fate influcted on guys by their pregnant women is just more testament to the inability of TRP to consider anything but the bitter, rejected man's POV in this.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 06:31 PM
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Because reddit breeds these people and they are all over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 06:15 PM
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Self-segregation is becoming a thing. It's not too late to turn it around though! All we have to do is start recognizing how we're similar For example, many non-TRP redditors, too, are misogynist fucks!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 06:12 PM
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Because reddit prides itself on its "free speech" that includes pedophilia, rape apologism, racism, nazism and misogyny, but excludes pointing out harassment against female members or banning child porn. TRP is given credence here primarily because a large number of guys here simply don't feel offended by misogyny, and so can easily entertain the idea that TRP needs to be treated with respect. On a more egalitarian forum this shit would have been banned to hell and back, but reddit is as reddit …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 06:11 PM
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You forget the 1st rule of TRP: It's always okay when a man does it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 05:59 PM
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The critics of rpers are not so different from rpers themselves. You know what's interesting about the manner in which Redpillers tend to argue? When people point out the multitude of awful statements perpetuated on TRP (specifically the sexist, homophobic, or just straight misogynistic ones) Redpillers will almost never reject that sexism/misogyny/homophobia themselves. Instead, they will attempt to point out how the rest of the world is "just like" (i.e. just as bad) as TRP. Therefore, so they…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 05:57 PM
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Depends on your personal thoughts on what counts as propaganda and conspiracy and their influence No, it depends on verifiable evidence. That's why I answered the way I did, to avoid semantic debates. Translation: I believe in a worldwide feminist conspiracy to oppress all men just like the rest of TRP, but I don't actually want people to call me on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 05:13 PM
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I haven't heard of women being forced to be mothers against their will, when that situation does occur it is obviously wrong. And I bet you also believe that "accidents" only ever happen at the command of women, and that a 9 month pregnancy never actually inconveniences a woman to nearly the same degree as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 05:11 PM
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The thing is that women have a lot of linchpins like pregnancy and they use them to exploit their men. Right, women get pregnant to exploit their men. Wow this is such a load of shit I don't even know what to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 05:09 PM
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that is very much a lie... go to a resort and most women there are in a relationship, but still very open to "having fun" "Most women"? Have you polled them or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 05:06 PM
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That is a irrational interpretation. That word does not mean what you think it means.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 05:04 PM
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Forcing a pregnancy on a man is basically entrapment. Yea, women think they have it tough with 9 months of pregnancy, and the responsibility of rearing a child afterwards! Men are the real victims here!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 05:02 PM
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Well in practice you have to specialize to be good at something. Is that why TRP specializes in crude conspiracy theories and bitter rants against women?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 04:47 PM
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So... nothing?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 04:46 PM
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Calling a person "a plate" is no worse than calling a person "spouse" or "friends with benefits". Whatever you say, fleshdildo.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 04:38 PM
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Note that pushing back against the far more extreme feminist equivalent ("All men are potential rapists") is considered enabling rape culture and tantamount to rape in itself. What a load of nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 04:35 PM
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It isn't .. the goal is pussy? Any idea that doesn't' fit that goal will be thrown out in practice. It's funny, then, how Redpillers concoct all sorts of reasons in their head why a particular women is not worthy of their attention. "Ugly", "old" (= 25+ years old), "used goods" (= not a virgin), "old tramp with fuck trophy" (= single mother in her 20s)... You'd think if all Terpers wanted was to have sex with women, they wouldn't go to such lengths to find reasons not to have sex with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 04:31 PM
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The problem is that Overton Window is so far in the feminist's court that any mention of intersex relationship without giving lip-service to how oppressed/awesome women are is considered misogyny. Translation: "For some reason women of don't like it when I refer to them as little children to be educated or dogs to be trained."
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 04:26 PM
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There was no "feminism" during world wars, except maybe to shame men into fighting them. LOL you do know how many women joined the work force during WW1? Which effectively got them the vote after the war? Do you know how many joined during WW2? Ever heard of Rosie the Riveter? Do you know that they even founded an all-female Baseball League during WW2 (and most of the players weren't exactly overjoyed when they were told to go back to the kitchen after WW2). How's that for "no feminism"?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 04:24 PM
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So do you believe market research, advertising and sales training are ineffective because "all people are different"? A curious example you picked there. It's fairly obvious that advertisement does not actually make people buy the things it advertises like media psychologists originally thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 04:16 PM
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I've argued before that if you compare moderate feminism to RP, and even radical feminism to RP, you will find that RP is more "moderate" in their beliefs than both. Yes you have, and it's still daft nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 04:11 PM
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This piece in the New York Times makes a compelling case that a certain balance of introverts/extroverts is actually selected for. Assuming that introverted/extroverted behavior is genetically inheritable to begin with, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/14 03:53 PM
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Then daughters of STEM careerists would be just as successful in STEM fields, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/14 03:46 PM
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I don't think you can ever really escape the chances for a " divorce rape" in a country with frivolous laws. If only the West would look to advanced masculine places like Saudi Arabia for inspiration. Those guys have it figured out!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/14 02:49 AM
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American Taliban?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/14 02:47 AM
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Basically a recipe for insecurity, you're making this girl think her worth is in her looks. That's a bit terrible :) He's just being "realistic" and looking at "hard facts"!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/14 02:43 AM
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But for a woman to do that is wrong in your book? 1st Law of TRP: It's okay if a man does it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 03:26 PM
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women have the opportunities they just choose not to take them Sure, the reason why 70-90% of top management positions are held by men is because women choose not to advance to these positions. After all, it's well known that women are biologically determined to hate earning money.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 02:39 PM
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Jesus, no. I'm not going to dedicate the next three hours of my life documenting a bunch of extremist bloggers and helping people who rely on hateful comments to get attention, get more traffic to their sites or wiki pages. Why not? We're doing the same. who use unfair tactics or bigotry to spread hate, or who just want revenge for what they perceive as unfairness in the past TRP considers all of these perfectly legit, as long as it's men who do that. A "good" feminist is basically just a humani…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 02:32 PM
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Luce Irigaray is a Feminist philosopher noted for numerous insane remarks, including asserting that E=MC2 is a "sexed equation" because it privileges the speed of light above other speeds. Also once called Isaac Newton's Principia Mathematica a "rape instruction manual" or something of the sort. So basically you haven't read even a single one of her texts, have no idea what she actually wrote, and are going by hearsay based on the crap Dawkins wrote about her, most of which is either quoted out …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 02:28 PM
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Simone de Beauvoir is a crazy french existentialist philosopher Yea, she wrote some crazy books that spread some crazy talk like the crazy idea that women should be considered of equal worth to men. Clearly a crazy person.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 02:25 PM
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Women are not as represented in government/business as feminists like because women simply aren't interested. What a load of crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 02:23 PM
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What? Isn't the whole point of feminism that men and women are the same except for genitalia? That women are equal to men? That a strong independent woman can do anything a man can do? No, the whole point of feminism is that we live in a society where women are systematically oppressed. There is a wide range of opinions over whether women are/ought to be equal to men in all respects, or whether they are/ought to be different but of equal worth, many falling somewhere between these two extremes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 02:22 PM
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A myth. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505125_162-28246928/the-gender-pay-gap-is-a-complete-myth/ On Nemko's argument: Most women are being saddled with household chores and child rearing in addition to their jobs, and for most women, their life choice is between having a family or having a career - both is largely impossible. Curiously, most of the men who "choose" high paying jobs tend to be married with women who "choose" not to pursue a career at the expense of family and domestic chores. I won…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 02:19 PM
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Working out. Dressing nice. Eating healthy, Tanking care of yourself like a adult. Reading, and trying different things to be a more complex and interesting human(and in the process you start to see the world in more nuaces) Yea, you can find that in any half-way decent self help book, from How to win friends all the way up to Marcus Aurelius' Meditations.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 02:08 PM
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No, I'm not, actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 11:57 AM
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becoming awesome and saying no to shity dinamics How would you find any of that in TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 11:37 AM
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Both criticize contemporary, mainstream dating advice as overly vague, useless platitudes Unlike PUA or TRP, which rely on useless overgeneralizations as well as useless platitudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 11:26 AM
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And you're not abusing a position of power over her.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 11:17 AM
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It's not that they just so happen to have a preference, it's that a certain group of men go to a lot of effort to propagate their open despisal of 25+ year old women, from "damaged goods" to "old tramps with fuck trophies". (all of these actually written by people here BTW)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 11:15 AM
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If you're saying that TRP is sayin that literally every single man would act in exactly the same way in some obscure hypothetical, then you're blatantly ignoring the intended meaning Yea, we have to keep in mind that "all" in TRPspeak doesn't actually mean "all", just like "solipsism" doesn't actually mean "solipsism" and "feminism" doesn't actually mean "feminism".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 11:12 AM
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Human biology (men especially) is designed in such a way that, if you aren't actively looking for certain traits, you won't notice them. Human biology is also designed in such a way that, if you genuinely believe that something is true, you'll see "proof" everywhere. It's called "confirmation bias", in case you're wondering.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 11:09 AM
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Remember, according to TRP, AWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 11:07 AM
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we lived in a safehouse for "emotionally abused women" I take it from the scare quotes that you don't believe the women in these safehouses were emotionally abused at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 11:04 AM
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"Divorce Rape"? Who uses that term? Because you know, it says a lot about someone, if they believe that a slightly unequal divorce is equivalent to being raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 11:02 AM
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These men are bitter because they finally realized how unfair society is to men. Yea, you guys have it tough occupying 60-90% of all top positions, both in the privat economy and in politics, getting 10-25% more for the same position than women, and being about 50% less likely to be harassed (sexually or otherwise) by strangers and acquaintances alike. Yea, being a man is tough in this world, I mean most governments don't even allow you guys to abuse your wives or keep sex slaves any more!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 08:33 AM
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Since everything under the sun's been appropriated by social justice warriors from men under the guise of equality, men a left wondering how to define a men. I thought you guys at TRP were all about the Science? Why not define being a men the regular science way, having an Y chromosome and a penis at the same time?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 08:29 AM
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You know, I've always wondered this: Why do TRP guys think having a penis is such a great achievement? I mean, it takes literally zero effort on your part, how can you be proud of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 08:28 AM
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After all, only those who qualify for TRP's nonsense definition of feminism are real feminists. And somehow, between the two of them, Solanas and Dvorkin managed to create a worldwide conspiracy to oppress all men and deny them sex forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 08:24 AM
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an overall tendency to think logically versus emotionally which curiously hasn't been shown to exist in actual scientific studies!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 08:22 AM
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I was just demonstrating that feminism in general is not the all loving, equality pushing movement many make it out to be. By specifically quoting people who are considered radical fringe extremists even among feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 08:17 AM
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This was written in 1967 - nearly 50 years ago, and the author died 25 years ago. TRP - always at the cutting edge of feminist world conspiracies!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 08:14 AM
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Why, are you guys trying to score some BP chicks?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/14 09:36 PM
1

Yes I have. Can you really not conceive of informed disagreement with TRP dogma, or are you just trolling?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/14 09:34 PM
1

He didn't specify "post pubescent", he only said "young".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/14 09:32 PM
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Rules, schmules. The only thing that counts on a sub is moderator action, and the patterns of TRP moderation are fairly obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/14 07:53 AM
1

For other types, you just send her to her room without dinner?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/14 01:52 AM
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Eh, it goes beyond sexual strategy. You can use it to get better insight into how such imminent people as Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and Barack Obama reached the commanding heights. IME models like "alpha/beta" are almost entirely used to explain success after the fact, which means that any example is by its very nature cherry picked to support its point. The 48 Laws of Power is good exploration of these principles in a historical context. You're actually doing a good job of showing why this is so p…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/14 12:57 AM
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Oh, I agree on that, I think GT is fascinating. But it's really tempting to draw conclusions about human behavior from it even when that's not always a good idea... :)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/14 12:43 AM
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Honestly I don't think it's cultish, it's just that a lot of them have never learned how to deal with conflict in a mature and productive way. For some of them it's all about showing dominance.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/14 12:12 AM
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AskTRP is the place to discuss situations and ask questions. But never to disagree. Basically, TRP isn't really very capable of dealing with any reaction short of uncritical admiration.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/14 12:11 AM
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Ah, you're of of those people who think calling people mentally ill is funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/14 12:09 AM
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Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/14 12:05 AM
2

So you just feed her Greek yoghurt when she's mad at you and all the problems go away? What genius!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/14 12:04 AM
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I think we're already experiencing a shift away from these traditional roles, for better or worse, but it's a slow process and there are a lot of people who feel threatened by the loosening of gender restrictions. TRP is a good example for one group that's opposed to any sort of attitude shift in this regard, and a lot of their rhetoric is very similar to other periods where gender restrictions were opening up for women (e.g. the 1920s).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 11:56 PM
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You were talking about "young women" and completely avoiding the age of these "young women". I'm sorry if I misread you, but given how many pedophilia apologists there are on reddit, I was genuinely convinced you were advocating pedophilia (or "ephebophilia" or whatever these people call it) Again, if I was wrong them please accept my apologies.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 11:52 PM
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Feminism does not stop men from getting laid. Your friends at TRP seem to think differently. So where are today’s fathers and why aren’t they raising our sons? Feminism has pushed men out of children’s lives. For the modern women, the cash and prizes of divorce are much more appealing than an intact family. [...] The Red Pill is an imperfect substitute for the male guidance our boys were robbed of by feminism. It is tired middle aged men describing their divorces. It’s the unfashionable and unac…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 11:44 PM
0

Not as strong and not as fast as whom? All men? All professional team sports players? What's your source?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 11:39 PM
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What can I say, I'm easily amused.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 11:36 PM
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It's funny how terpers now seem to equate PUA with BluePill. I take it that you now believe that PUA is part of the worldwide man-hating feminist conspiracy as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 11:28 PM
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So do you really treat your girlfriend like a little child? Does she agree with you that she shouldn't be treated like a responsible independent adult?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 11:25 PM
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You're not a disinterested and objective observer, you're horny and want to fuck, so you have every interest to interpret resistance as token resistance and unwillingness as fake unwillingness. Basically I'm saying with your setup your dick is the sole arbiter of whether a girl's consent has been given or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 11:22 PM
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They are called "pedophiles".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 10:55 PM
1

Game Theory is a prescriptive model of rational action though, not a study of actual human behavior. Humans rarely act like the self-interested rational actors that Game Theory assumes they are. That doesn't make GT invalid as a model, but it's worth pointing out that it is rather limited in its real world applications. Personally I would be extremely careful applying it to a field so fraught with superstition, half-truths, irrationality and self-destructive behavior, as sex and relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 10:50 PM
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A man isn't completely dominant his entire life. No one is. Except maybe Genghis Kahn. But even he probably wasn't! Turns out he was a rather sensitive leader, actually. Genghis was a total "mama's boy". :P http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oulen#Life_with_Tem.C3.BCjin
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 10:47 PM
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It's a useful fiction. Useful to TRP, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 10:44 PM
1

A commendable goal!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 10:42 PM
1

It's not impossible to look at sexual relations from a market economic POV, it's just really daft to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 10:14 PM
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What I meant was you can't say the don't count as feminists just because they embarrass you, don't like them? do something about them, until then the ''no scotsman'' argument you are trying to pull holds no water. I take it you don't have a problem with people pointing out misogyny and other ugliness in TRP, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 10:11 PM
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For example, it doesn't matter whether single mothers are worse off, TRP will still harp on how divorce is an evil misandrist strategy to drain beta bux of their money.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 10:05 PM
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I think pseudoscience and misogynistic crap should be out of bounds, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 10:04 PM
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I feel like they usually mean "don't settle for men who are abusive fucks or make you feel bad." And let's face it, there's plenty of women who ignore that advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 10:02 PM
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That no is not really no if your dick is hard? Yea, wouldn't think of denying such universal truths.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 10:00 PM
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Kind of funny how terpers downvote every single female redditor in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 09:59 PM
1

And, true to PPD, gets downvoted by terpers. Who would have thought?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 09:56 PM
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I have a double digit partner count and have encountered last minute resistance in almost every first sexual encounter except one Is that really something you want to brag about?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 09:55 PM
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It's very situational and yes, it is a dangerous game. But that's just the game you have to play with certain women because that's apparently what gets them off. Or, apparently, they just cave in to pressure.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 09:54 PM
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Indeed it isn't, that's why I questioned your assertion that geeks are introverted. Because I sure as hell know some extroverted geeks.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 09:49 PM
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You believe in Myers-Briggs? Yea, forget I said anything... :P
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 09:20 PM
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sports is very social - it's either about supporting a team of people or being in a team of people. How is that any different from being in a WoW guild, or going to a LAN party (are people still going to LAN parties? suddenly I feel old :o)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 09:16 PM
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No, because my belief is based on personal experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 06:44 PM
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I believe you that you absolutely think that. I just believe that you're mistaken when you equate jock = extrovert, and geek = introvert.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 06:41 PM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 06:30 PM
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In all fairness, most of hard science work is not about thinking, but boring drudgery at the lab. At least that's what my brother, a biochemist, tells me. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 06:27 PM
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Who cares? Why don't you discuss why more women don't pursue working manual labor in mines or as garbage-men? Because they're already busy working the sweatshops.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 06:26 PM
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Obviously, since the male and female brain appear to structure differently From what I've read/heard, the brain structure of male and female babies is almost identical, most of the differences develop much later on. Leading me to the conclusion that the supposed gender differences in brain structure are the result, not the cause, of different upbringing of girls and boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 06:25 PM
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You're basically talking about introversion vs. extroversion Am I? Are introverts less likely to be into watching sports, and are extroverts less likely to be into computers?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 06:22 PM
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Also, Eastern Europe is IIRC the only region on Earth where the proportion of women in management positions vs. men is close to equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 06:21 PM
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You're the expert. Tell me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 02:52 AM
0

Okay, whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 02:51 AM
0

I never said TRP makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 02:50 AM
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My personal opinion is that the many differences in male and female brains which we already know exist contribute to women, in general, being less interested in that kind of stuff than man. I do not think they're less capable of it, I just think the interests they tend to develop lean towards other areas. Why would having an interest in a particular area be correlated with differences in brain structure? Do geeky males have a different brain than, say, football jocks?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 02:48 AM
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Also I'm curious why she would choose psychology of all fields when she's so terrified of math. My university's Psychology department is heavy on statistics, in fact you can't even graduate without taking advanced statistics classes IIRC.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 02:42 AM
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You glossed over the measurable, physical differences in favour of a far more nebulous and theoretical explanation, that firmly put women in the victim category. What physical differences make it impossible for girls to play team sports competitively?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 02:24 AM
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Seriously, there are people arguing that physical strength differences between males/females are a social construct. I think here the issue is more the public perception that there are no strong women, or that any man will always be stronger than any woman. (Which has effects that are sometimes also unfair towards men, often relegating them to menial tasks because they are supposedly the "strong" gender) That the only reason men perform better in sports is due to early socialization. Sounds reas…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 01:34 AM
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"Well, I felt like it. If he doesn't like it he can leave. shrug" How is that "using bad behavior and turning it into something good"?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 01:31 AM
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The Blue Pill is a TRP strawman, you might as well call them "Opposite Red", as an argumentative position it is solely a construct of TRP minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 01:27 AM
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On the internet? There's probably several blogs dedicated to that stuff already.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 01:22 AM
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This is the red pill flipped. A woman acting in the way men are supposed to act. That's exactly the issue - I imagine. TRP conforms to the idea that there are strict gender roles that must never be changed because Evolution says so.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 01:19 AM
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What if they are both happy, though?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 01:18 AM
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Keep in mind that "social construct" doesn't necessarily mean "not real" - it just means "the product of collective human action". And frankly, a large part of our gender roles, gender stereotypes, and the general narratives we tell each other about gender do fall into that category.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 01:16 AM
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Relating to a man, as a man. What is "a man" in that context? Is a homosexual man "a man"? Is a 1 year old boy "a man"? Is an m-to-f transgendered person "a man"? Are you not making a heap of assumptions when you claim that there is an entire category of people that can immediately relate to each other based on nothing but their penis? Also, I wasn't making a generalized 'Men v Women' statement. I was generalizing the 'Everything is a social construct' crowd vs everyone else. Do you reject the n…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 12:53 AM
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You know, this would look a lot more sincere if this wasn't already the 3rd post where you call me a troll and loudly claim that you've reported me to a moderator.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 12:44 AM
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How many of those single mothers get checks from the government? Well...? How many?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 12:38 AM
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I think that they've just decided that if everything is a social construct, then the reason that they can't do x is because society won't let them, it's not because it's simply beyond their capabilities. So what would you say is beyond an average woman's capabilities, compared to the average man?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 12:37 AM
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Srs has effectively destroyed multiple subs, I don't really see how you could argue that. They're somewhat notorious for doxxing, attempting to cause real life harm to people for opinions/statements etc online. I think you're confusing SRS with SA.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 12:34 AM
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How does in-group support translate to "we're better"? Does this mean no one can support anyone else lest they declare themselves superior to some out-group in some baffling way? 1st Law of Reddit: It's only okay when (white) men do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 12:32 AM
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Physically: Yes. I hope this does not even need expanding upon. 30-40% higher upper body strength, 20-30% higher lower body strength. There is a reason why men top all athletic world records. There is a difference between Peak and Average/Median.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 12:29 AM
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When it comes to attracting women, TRP still has an edge in my opinion. I don't know, TRP mostly seems to attract angry men, not women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 12:28 AM
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So you didn't actually have a reason to report me? You just read my post by sheer happenstance and thought that responding with "Reported" was a curious thing to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 12:23 AM
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As much as many of us hate oppression olympics, I can't help but wonder now who could objectively be described as having the worst internet experience. In the anglophone West? Black Female Muslim, most likely
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 12:18 AM
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When you're constantly playing the victim it's hard to be an agent. You mean like men are the victim of this gigantic feminist conspiracy constantly keeping them from getting the sex they need?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 12:16 AM
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We've all seen the meme ; When she says "nothing is wrong" it means something is wrong. When she says "do what you wan't" it means don't do what you want. When she says "it's fine" it means trouble ... and so on. Maybe I'm surrounded by girlyboys, but I've heard all of these phrases used by men in the exact same context, with the exact same meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 12:13 AM
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you can't dismiss them for being an embarrassment. Sure I can. And why wouldn't I? Some of them are awful people who make feminism look bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 12:05 AM
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What does that have to do with anything? We were talking about "tumblr feminism".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:53 PM
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How does this feminism guy behave?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:53 PM
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One of the core TRP text claims that "feminism is a sexual strategy". TRP absolutely thinks they are like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:52 PM
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People may have not all been using that exact term (it does get used, but not often), but they were using roundabout ways of pointing out the flaws of the women. Except they weren't using a term that is literally dehumanizing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:49 PM
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Discerning and experienced, in TRP talk, means "hypergamous bitch", so I doubt it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:47 PM
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A lot of women like the media image that the term "bad boy" conjures, i.e. good-looking adventurous daredevils. That's not the same as the actual "bad boys" of reality, i.e. sociopaths, con-men and creeps.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:44 PM
0

Could you please stop stalking me on reddit?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:37 PM
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Then why are you on this sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:36 PM
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No they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:36 PM
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The actions of mainstream feminism though are pretty ridiculous. What would you consider examples of "mainstream feminism"? Not saying I agree or disagree, just curious, because to me that terms is fairly close to being a contradiction in terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:34 PM
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Don't worry, you're far from the first person to abuse that quote in service of their own pet agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:33 PM
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Lol, I think one of the valid criticisms of TRP is that it's kinda the male version of feminism. That is how TRP likes to view itself, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:31 PM
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They are victims of their own magnificent PR machine. I don't think there is another ideology in recent history which has been able to dominate the media landscape in the same way. Kind of a funny turn of phrase, considering that when feminists have been in the media landscape in the past 2-3 decades, it was almost always in the role of the villain.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:28 PM
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Without a steady source of sex and income throughout the start of adulthood, it is no wonder men start to view every women as first and foremost a sex object and value every job by only the paycheck. Honestly, I find the idea that life is all about farming sex and income just as toxic as the supposed lack of either in young adult males.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:25 PM
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Good points. And I believe that this: people playing games (TRP/PUA/Cosmo/Etc) is really just a consequence of this: people placing too much emphasis on desire of something (sex/relationships/not being alone) without first understanding themselves or their insecurities/positives I think there is a lot of talk about want without coming to a realization what that want entails, or why one pursues it in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:24 PM
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I take it you're more in favor of telling your women what they should want.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:21 PM
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a knowledge base I lol'd
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:18 PM
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Exactly, thanks for supporting my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:17 PM
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as an RP man my job is to seduce her until she's willing. This is exactly what I meant before when I said that only penis-in-vagina counts as a notch in his belt.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:06 PM
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This isn't an oddly specific situation, I've playfully but firmly declined sex before with my SO because I wasn't feeling well, and he listened but we continued just messing around. You have to keep in mind that there is a certain type of guy who thinks like this: If its not penis in vagina, it doesn't "count" as sex and thus the guy doesn't get a notch on his belt. "Messing around" isn't penis in vagina, therefore doesn't count, therefore is an unacceptable substitute, therefore he must overrid…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:05 PM
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I am curious how psychologist = trophy wife in your world.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 10:50 PM
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Also, I have no idea where you guys live, but I know quite a few women who are undertaking, or are in the process of undertaking, careers in science or engineering (most of them chemists, astronomers, or compsci majors).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 10:49 PM
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interests are hard to change as they are stable and highly heritable. If personal interests were genetically inheritable (a claim that I have yet to see confirmed via empirical evidence, by the way), then wouldn't that mean the daughters of STEM careerists would inherit an interest for STEM fields?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 10:47 PM
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I wouldn't call them a cult, but they share a couple of structural features (one-true-wayism, isolationism/elitism) and methods (discouraging dissent, scapegoating, recruiting from the emotionally vulnerable) with cults and cult-like organizations. Although I would say that the most insidious thing about TRP is their circle logic, which makes argueing with them very similar to creationists and similar fundamentalist nutters (as well as irritating and exhausting).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 10:40 PM
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Every time this is posted, I'm going to post this and continue to update it. So let me get this straight: Valerie Solanas is representative of feminists and a valid example of feminism in action. When debating feminism, it is perfectly alright to bring up Solanas to counter feminist arguments. Elliot Rodger is not representative of TRP embers or Men's Rights advocates. When debating TRP or Men's Rights, bringing up Rodger invalidates any argument against TRP or Men's Rights. Do I have this corre…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 10:34 PM
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If you had even a tiny bit of courage to stand by your convictions, then you would tell us what you believe with regards to sexual strategy (we know that you disagree with TRP, but what do you actually believe?) and invite people to attack your position. But no, you're not willing to do that. Why do you assume that people come to PPD to debate "sexual strategy"?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 10:26 PM
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You operate on assumptions made about red pillers en masse. I'm curious, why do you think this is okay when interacting with women, but not when interacting with redpillers?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 10:23 PM
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Do you think there is some suppressed hatred within TRP for the mods/ECs/rules? I know the common sentiment among RPers is that their mods are doing a terrific job, and without them, they'd be inundated or whatever, but how far is there some resentment? Do you think its a minority and most are satisfied? I think it's a logical consequence of the very nature of the sub. TRP is a haven for guys who suffer from deep resentment issues as well as a general persecution complex, and one behavior that's…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 10:14 PM
1

So why did you resort to name-calling and distractions?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 10:08 PM
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TheRedPill is about straight talk And by straight talk, you mean "manipulative double talk or outright lies, all justified so long as they help you in getting your dick wet". Correct? :)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 10:04 PM
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The thing is, they can't even reasonably claim that "a very large portion" of women fits their theories, because those "theories" were at no point verified by empirical observation. So it's really irrelevant whether they say "all", "most", or "the majority", since they pulled that claim out of their ass in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 09:59 PM
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No, see, he is not a true Scotsman.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 09:55 PM
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He's done exactly the kind of behavior that men hated that caused them to come to TRP in the first place. He is a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 09:54 PM
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But I think we need to stop pretending like people don't have inclinations to be a certain way because of their genders. Inclinations often fuelled by propaganda, peer pressure, or outright bullying. How often have you heard/experienced that men aren't supposed to show emotions, for example? Or that women supposedly "aren't good at math"? A lot of people are lying to themselves because their identities in society depend on them pretending for the sake of social unity and stability.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 03:43 PM
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In any case, your original statement "opposition is women" and this statement "in the world of TRP, feminism supposedly controls all aspects of mainstream Western society" are both straw-mans that kind of show me you really... i dunno are just making up some position to attack. If you would like, please read relevant RP material so further debate would be fruitful and actually based on each of our positions, instead of one invented by you but I have never heard of. Your condescension is much app…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 03:24 PM
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Not all aspects, but concerning amounts of it. For example...?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 03:16 PM
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The opposition for RP is the negative effects of feminism. Only in the world of TRP, where feminism supposedly controls all aspects of mainstream Western society.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 05:25 PM
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But that's not how their body of theory is constructed. They start from a body of text that claims all women are "solipsistic" and then work from that premise to develop pickup/dating/relationship advice. The inductive aspect is an implied foundation for their theories, yes, but TRP does not seek to build new theories, only to use those theories to inform their methods. Which in practice makes their approach deductive, not inductive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/14 02:37 AM
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Well... it's about the attention, validation and consideration their SO is providing them with.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/14 02:04 AM
1

There is a difference between courtship and being nice. There is also a difference between appreciating niceties and wanting to fuck you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/14 02:01 AM
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I'd like to say that hookups are easy, but they're not. Eh, if you're super picky about who you hook up with, don't be surprised when women react in the same manner.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/14 01:56 AM
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Very few of TRP's premises are explicitly based on observation. Most TRP theory texts (e.g. Antibiotic Nuke) argue from a general "male" or "female" "nature", not from specific examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/14 01:49 AM
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TRP and TBP both do this and it just results in mudslinging and is used as an excuse to bash the opposition. The difference is that for TBP, the "opposition" is Redpill advocates, whereas for TRP, the "opposition" is women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/14 12:50 AM
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That's not inductive reasoning. Inductive reasoning means making a generalized conclusion from a set of specific, individual observations. (as opposed to deductive reasoning, which means making statements about specific, individual situations based on a set of general premises).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/14 12:48 AM
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It's funny, if anything TRP is all about rejecting induction in favor of deductive argumentation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/14 12:41 AM
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Unlike, say, crying about evil feminazi conspiracies, which is the mature and grown-up reaction to rejection or divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/14 12:39 AM
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In that article, it shows how a shortage of men will increase their SMV. Is this not evidence towards of the existence of a SMV? This is a textbook example of a Circular Argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/14 12:31 AM
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Is that why you've been at it for more than a month?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/14 06:03 AM
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When did MRA started protesting against women birth control existing? Around the same time that female birth control was invented.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/14 05:58 AM
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former board member of the National Organization for Women, Warren Farrell ...who equated women getting raped with boys getting rejected, calling dates that don't end in sex "date fraud" and "date robbery"...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/14 05:56 AM
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You are right, making a Facebook page is much, much less risky than anything MLK ever did in his life.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/14 05:51 AM
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Women getting custody by default? ...is usually the result of men not asking for custody in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/14 05:48 AM
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I also checked for activity on the pages, and the top comments of the recent posts. I'm not saying it's science- I'm just saying that outside the realms of semi-to-totally anonymous blog sites, this "feminist conspiracy for supremacy" doesn't seem to exist. In social media where the vast majority use their real name and contact information, they don't seem to interested in espousing radfem ideas- which, if they were any kind of real, organized movement would not logically be true. That's because…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/14 05:47 AM
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And so you go on to perpetuate the madonna/whore complex that your Christian upbringing instilled in you. How sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/14 05:44 AM
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I didn't, I came upon that gem above purely by accident. I was originally looking through your posts from this thread for the links, and it's easier doing so from the user interface than the thread interface. Why do you feel the need to post questions when you aren't looking for an honest debate to begin with?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/14 05:38 AM
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"Why do women want to appear to be sexually aroused to men on the one hand and then complain when they are sexually harassed on the other hand?"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/14 05:19 AM
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"Taking the red pill" is just a useful metaphor that people can understand (since it's a popular movie) to conceptualize the notion that you actively choose to see the world for what it is. The unintentional irony in that statement is so thick you could smoke it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/14 05:11 AM
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So posting leading questions with deceptive intent is your idea of "initiating a dialog"?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/14 05:06 AM
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How have I been deceptive or dishonest? I just asked a question; Right. Just a question.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/14 04:59 AM
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I'm not sure why you are asking this. We are talking about a situation where one particular person is unhappy because she isn't getting what she wants. Aren't we?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/14 04:51 AM
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Jay Gatsby, [...] Those are the kind of men I aspire to. I love the unintentional irony in that statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/14 04:48 AM
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Dread game isn't overt. You don't tell your woman that you have options, you just go do your thing and be awesome, pay her undesirable behavior no mind, and interact with people you enjoy interacting with instead. Since half of those people will statistically be women, your girlfriend sees you positively interacting with competition, and hopefully steps up her game. The implied message of this post being that women are incapable of noticing when men are using "dread game".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/14 04:39 AM
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They are referring to you being deceptive and dishonest. Is that the result of your RedPill self-improvement program?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/14 04:35 AM
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Why do you think it's important to help men make better decisions, but not women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/14 04:34 AM
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So you have no evidence for your claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/14 04:27 AM
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You're calling it divorce due to boredom, but actually it's divorce due to falling out of love, growing apart, etc. Why should anyone force themselves to stay with someone they are no longer in love with? To live in a loveless, unhappy marriage forever? It's unfair to both spouses and as good a reason as any to divorce. See, you're missing one crucial component of TRP ethics: It's only ever okay if the man does it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/14 04:25 AM
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Yea, using TRP to solve your relationship problems is about as "healthy" as using Heroin to cure your headache.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 07:25 PM
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Demanding upvotes is demanding agreement/approval. Then why are terpers always whining about being downvoted here?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 04:04 PM
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I am the guy who instantly downvotes comments that start with "as a woman". What an attention whore.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 03:57 PM
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Basically the thread is about women talking about what they attractive- attractive in the sense of what they actually find themselves being instinctually attracted to; not what they wish they were attracted to, nor what they'd like others to think they are attracted to, or like to pretend to themselves they are attracted to. Not entirely. It's what people self-report as what they believe they've been attracted to in the past. It's got two layers of self-selection that will inevitably filter it d…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 03:49 PM
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None of what they said is surprising at all. Go to /r/sex and read what women like. "Tall dark and handsome" has been a saying for a long time now. They like sex partners that are traditionally manly (not TRPs version on "manly"); big, tall, strong, confident, a bit agressive. IMO people who say they like "tall, strong, confident and aggressive" guys are just like people who say they like "strong, dark and hearty" coffee.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 03:44 PM
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Provide evidence as I did or fuck off. And your strawman article is nauseating. After the BP response to this thread, I am convinced even if I took the time to reply, the response would be another shitty shaming tactic or a play on the metaphor. Please continue tl;dr your way to winning arguments. I'm done with this thread. You can see in the reactions of RPers, and even some BPers on why you are considered deluded. Yea, this is another of his debate tactics. Once forced into a proper argument, …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 03:38 PM
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Which just further reinforces my belief that TRP doesn't understand dom/sub relationships at all, even though that's what they claim they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 12:03 PM
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Telling kind of destroys the romance doesn't it? So does not telling. The difference is that not telling also means you'll never get what you want from your current partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 12:00 PM
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Either way if your ideology/religion makes you feel guilty for wanting sex that appeals to you you can either suppress your sexuality (which usually ends badly and leaves you miserable) or you can ditch your ideology/religion and find new friends. I think you're missing the point. IME a lot of these fantasies exist because your religion/ideology makes you feel guilty/ashamed of them. The shame/guilt are part of what makes them so exciting. (speaking obviously from subjective opinion, not empiric…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 11:57 AM
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I don't think there's any real conflict between feminism and being a sub. Yes, there is a fringe among feminist thought that has some issues regarding female-submissive hetero sex, but frankly you don't have an obligatation to listen to them or take their opinion at face value if you don't feel they relate to your own life. Unlike what TRP claims, feminism isn't (or at least shouldn't) be about academics telling you how to become morally and politically correct, it's about removing oppressing an…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 11:51 AM
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I'm not going to let you shut me down just because I disagree with you. If you can't handle dissenting opinions, then go back to TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 11:46 AM
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Your view on relationships is unhealthy if you view sex as a commodity traded for resources in anything other than a prostitution setting. But that's his thing. Women, in his worldview, are literally all prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 10:47 AM
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No, that 20% are able to get things in exchange for having sex. Meanwhile, 80% of women have that potential. Is there any evidence for this or are you just going by what "feels" right based on your existing preconceptions, like you did when you claimed that 80% of women are sleeping with 20% of men, until somebody showed up with evidence to disprove that notion?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 10:44 AM
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And here you are again, trumpeting your personal opinion as objective fact while rejecting even the possibility of reasonable disagreement. This is a debate sub And you seem to assume that "debate" means "people are not allowed to respond with critique or disagreement". Because otherwise I cannot really fathom why you would repeatedly dismiss my responses as ignorant, invalid and unworthy of discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 10:39 AM
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I could apply the paretto principle and come out pretty right Except of course that it would invalidate existing empirical evidence on number of sexual partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 10:13 AM
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I realize that a lot of BPers are adamant in their viewpoints, but this time, please, for the sake of discussion, allow me to set only one rule; we will disqualify types of answers like "I rejected a woman once" "I got rejected by a guy that one time" "Am I hyper-alpha?" "red pillers have never rejected a woman? lel" "Your metaphor is weird" So basically, you want to keep people who disagree with your premise from responding to this thread. Why don't you simply post this on RedPill instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 10:10 AM
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I used to be pretty into the confident, dominant male. I think it's worth pointing out that a large portion of TRP guys aren't confident, dominant males. If they were, they wouldn't seek out a sub that promises them to become a confident, dominant male that women swoon over.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 09:59 AM
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Right. First you insult me, then you completely ignore my responses and/or claim they are made out of ignorance (when you know full well that I've read each and every theory text on TRP's side bar). And now that you've run out of other accusations to throw at me you vocally pronounce me a troll so you can justify not responding to my arguments any more. You are right, this never was a discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 09:48 AM
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This has been around for a decade at least. It would not be an exaggeration to say millions of men have tried it and posted back about its success. Success in what? Getting laid by a random stranger? Becoming a better, kinder, smarter person? Asserting themselves in relationships? Talking their girlfriends into becoming submissive 1950s housewives? Projecting their feelings of inadequacy onto others? Without any sort of criterium to measure what they were supposed to accomplish, how can you say …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/14 01:27 PM
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We merely offer information that works. What does that mean? How is TRP's information "working"?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/14 03:25 AM
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ugh, the abuse strawman again. Just because you disagree with other people's definition of abusive behavior does not make the argument a strawman. I explained why in detail to the other girl, and provided links to a detailed explanation of what dread is. People have repeatedly pointed out the abusive nature of dread game in other threads about the issue. That you either didn't read or didn't agree with their contributions does not change that. Its not an ad-hominem if I attack you and also attac…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/14 01:05 AM
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That's because many women are despicable. So are many men, as TheRedPill reminds us every day!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/14 12:47 AM
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I have tried to speak on the echo-chamber circlejerk theory TBP has a number of times. I give tons of evidence directly contradicting that sad theory everyday. Example? But not participation by TBP or BP-type methods. By most terper's definition, everything not redpill is bluepill. So what you are saying is that TRP only allows TRP ideas. The reason TRP seems so closed is because you blatantly ignore a link in the side bar saying "If this is what you came to say, don't bother" or the one that sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 05:59 PM
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Why did you omit all the links in my quoted responses, while simultaneously claiming that I do not provide citations? If you have a problem with my sources, then please say so, but this tactic makes you look disingenious, even if it's not intentional.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 05:41 PM
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Then why did you bring up female autonomy? Because it's a counterpoint to "male headed families", "male dominated power structures" and "cultural enforcement of female sexual continence", all of which you claimed to be key elements of patriarchy. When I talk about female autonomy I'm not talking about being allowed to own property while being under total control by a male head of the household, I'm talking about genuine self-directed control of resources, and positions of significant cultural an…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 05:38 PM
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So a single blogger is evidence that third wave feminism in its entirety considers hetero sex to be rape and all men to be rapists? But honestly, it is best personified in the rampant hysteria that condemns men as de-facto rapists if sex occurs and both parties are intoxicated. Example? All I've seen to that effect was the condemnation of sex when one party is severely intoxicated to the point where they cannot meaningfully consent. Which to me sounds like a perfectly valid objection to raise - …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 05:32 PM
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Even my description of patriarchal values lacked mention of "female autonomy". Your definition of patriarchial values goes like this: Male headed families, Male dominated power structures, Father head of the household and founder of lineage, cultural enforcement female sexual continence As I said, Mesopotamia had significant female participation in its power structures, and female sexual continence was not universally enforced. So it lacks two key elements of what you consider "patriarchial". Li…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 05:22 PM
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The theories nor methods are regarded as scientific. PUA. Ever heard the term? Pickup Artist. Its like salesmanship. They develop their techniques based on field experience but no one would call a consortium of salesmen scientists nor pseudo-scientific. Why would they call TRP that? They never claimed to be based on science. You ever hear a group of expert salesmen and their wacky lingo? They have a unique one in every field. I have no idea why you are telling me this, because it has little to n…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 05:08 PM
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Well assuming that it is true - it does say something about how dread can be successful. Successful at what? Nobody has so far been able to answer that question.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 04:34 PM
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No red pill men are true Scotsmen.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 04:31 PM
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Lol, I'm at purplepilldebate for debate... Are you? You don't seem to be very interested in acknowledging let alone reading other people's posts by the looks of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 04:28 PM
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Let me guess, you didn't read any of the sources apumpkinpi provided, did you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 04:26 PM
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There is uglier stuff than dread game or Plate Theory in the red pill though, you know. Far uglier than the machiavellian-ism article you linked. There are straight up 100% unadulterated guides to abuse. I don't think a lot of non-terpers would disagree with that assessment of TRP. TRP doesn't just say unkind things about women's natures. It says terrible things about men's too. No disagreement from me on that, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 04:15 PM
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The fact that it's called "thermonuclear" implies at the very least some degree of disapproval. I don't see how. In common parlance a "thermonuclear option" is a measure of last resort, much like the real-life literal thermonuclear option it derives its meaning from.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 04:00 PM
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cheating works. Can anybody explain what that means?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 03:58 PM
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A miserable pile of secrets!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 03:55 PM
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We're not entirely certain why And that's exactly what I was trying to convey. Regarding differences between sexes that go beyond the obvious reproductive anatomy, we are not entirely certain why they exist, how they exist, or even if they really are as pronounced as modern media makes us believe (confirmation bias and selective perception in general play a huge part in our gendering of behavior). And, analogous to your example about nearsightedness, we certainly don't know whether they always e…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 03:48 PM
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I don't think you know what that word means. Here is the meaning; "Based on theories and methods erroneously regarded as scientific" That's exactly how I intended it to be read: TRP bases its view about gender roles, social behavior and courtship on "theories and methods erroneously regarded as scientific". Thank you for clarifying my rhetoric on this matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 03:39 PM
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But, as you yourself have said, they are usually used to hint at potentially interesting new avenues of research. Not to provide support for existing theories. So there's still a difference between how anecdotes are used in a formal scientific setting, and how they are being used in the Manosphere, where the overwhelming amount of supportive "data" comes in the form of self-reported anecdotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 03:36 PM
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I do that at times, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 03:29 PM
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Because for thousands of years, the dominant forces in society told girls and women that women don't enjoy sex, and if they did, they would not allowed be to do so. Despite depictions in advertisement and mainstream media, however (both of which are generally very conservative in their depictions of social norms) there is a growing trend for women to feel more at ease with wanting and enjoying sex. In other words, yes, they are "memes" (using your term - personally I hate meme theory) that used …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 03:25 PM
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So your argument actually reinforces my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 03:23 PM
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Case studies are not the same as self-reported anecdotes, though, there's a bit more rigor involved than just patients telling their stories.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 03:19 PM
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I was talking about MachiavellianRed.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 03:16 PM
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Are you still claiming that he isn't comparing women to dogs in this post?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 05:19 AM
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There is no conclusive evidence to date that the supposed mental differences between genders are a) entirely biological, and b) genetically inherited. If you think you have evidence to the contrary, feel free to provide a source.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 05:13 AM
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Pussy has more value than dick. That's the easiest answer. How would that be possible in a marketplace ruled by supply and demand?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 05:06 AM
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Male headed families, Male dominated power structures, Father head of the household and founder of lineage, cultural enforcement female sexual continence, these are some "patriarchal values". And as I said before, these are not universal even among societies that you are claiming are "patriarchial". The Mesopotamian priesthood (which is functionally identical with modern middle management) was mixed gender, with women occupying top positions all the way from the Sumerian era to the Neobabylonian…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 04:54 AM
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Funny thing about the bible is Satan is pretty much the good guy. Well, in about 30-50% of the Bible he's a direct servant of god so that's pretty much par for the course.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 04:53 AM
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I'd liken TRP more to astrology than a legitimate science. That's actually a really apt comparison (with the caveat that astrology isn't explicitly condoning morally despicable behavior under the guise of "game").
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 04:49 AM
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Excluded middle. It's perfectly possible to get data that is more reliable than self-reported subjective anecdotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 04:47 AM
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I cite every claim I make to a fault when asked for it, or even pre-emptively sometimes. Which is an effort in futility when your sources fail to measure up. Which is the fundamental problem with a large portion of TRP dogma - it's all very well sourced, but the sources themselves are unreliable, unscientific, or just plain wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 04:43 AM
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Dude's making y'all look bad In fact that's pretty much the entire reason given for the downvotes: That it makes TRP look bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 04:35 AM
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He never says the tendencies themselves are similar between dogs and women. From the text: If you know anything about dogs, you know that many "incidents" are often the fault of the owner failing to provide a proper outlet for a dog's energy or natural predispositions. Are you going to claim that he is not insinuating that women share these tendencies?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 04:30 AM
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They don't hate women entirely True, they love their sexual organs, and can't stop talking about them, even if they hate the person possessing these organs!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 04:24 AM
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First one is by a TRP moderator, by the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 04:20 AM
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TRP explicitly acknowledges that women use sexual strategy. TRP also explicitly states that women are always completely passive in relationships. In third wave feminism, women are barely even capable of consenting and are victims in any PIV sex act. Can you cite any examples from third wave feminist sources that actually say this?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 04:11 AM
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The question you should be asking is not whether anybody believes these statements, but whether they have been reliably shown to be true. These... women evolved to be attracted to high status men men evolved to be attracted to young and physically attractive women and have a much greater tendency towards quantity rather than quality of children compared to women humans evolved to care more for their own children than other peoples children ... have simply not been proven to be fact. And this one…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/14 05:49 PM
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Let me explain; these ideas did not start with nor are limited to /r/TheRedPill, they've been around for over a decade. I don't think most people here are advancing the argument that TRP invented the pseudoscientific reasoning they claim to be based on. As you pointed out correctly, many of the ideas TRP has claimed for itself have been around for decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/14 05:39 PM
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At least RP acknowledges the possibility of a middle ground. In what way does it do so?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/14 05:38 PM
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But, why would a TRPer think this disparity exists? Because it gives them another angle to complain about oppression by "feminism".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/14 04:39 PM
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Good to see it's somewhat equal at least. Because that's obviously what's really important here!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/14 04:37 PM
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It's a really basic rhetoric strategy. You take one obviously terrible behavior, and claim that it is opposed to your beliefs. That way you can insinuate that people of the opposite belief must be in favor of it without ever actually making a claim either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/14 04:35 PM
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Casting men as the only beings capable of having an active part in sexual encounters, is actually what patriarchy is all about. Curiously, TRP is fostering the exact same belief, that only men can ever be an active part in sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/14 04:32 PM
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So basically you're still in the exact same mode of thinking where you do not consider women human beings like yourself. All that's changed is that instead of superior beings, you think of them as inferior beings now. That's sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/14 04:29 PM
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Well, we've got la_sabotage's condescending comment, its officially a purplepill debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/14 08:39 PM
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Then you haven't looked very hard. Anyway, you clearly have no interest in an honest discussion, so piss off.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/14 06:42 PM
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You don't seem very interested in learning other people's perspective. You don't seem very interested in learning my perspective, either, so what are you trying to accomplish by calling me out like this? Some virtual high fives from your fellow redpillers?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/14 06:25 PM
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I would say that TRP is misanthropic but for good reason. TRP teaches you to value yourself and to take people and poor habits and hobbies off of the pedestal you have placed them on. By embracing a misanthrope persona you are actively removing things and people who are no better than you from the pedestals. I agree that it makes perfect sense from the position a lot of redpillers seem to start from. And if your goal is to make yourself feel better about yourself, then arguably, one of the most …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/14 06:19 PM
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That's a fair view. However, this isn't exactly an objective matter. It's just a matter of personal outlook. AFAIK as far as neuroscientific results go there is fairly decent evidence that we believe ourselves to be far, far more in control of our behavior than we actually are. A lot of what we attribute to conscious choice and rational reasoning are in fact learned (or inborn, depending on where you stand in the nature/nurture debate) behavior patterns.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/14 06:07 PM
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It's funny, the only time when people constantly give me shit for no reason is when I out myself as either a vegetarian or a feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/14 05:45 PM
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ITT: A woman once called me a misogynist, therefore feminism is evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/14 05:43 PM
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Your condemnation is just free advertisement!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/14 05:40 PM
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Again you seem to hung up on this idea that a society has to be either 100% patriarchial, or absolutely matriarchial, and since there are no absolutely matriarchial civilizations they must all be absolute patriarchies. It's called "the fallacy of the excluded middle". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_the_excluded_middle
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/14 01:14 PM
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the ideal relationship does mirror that encouraged in the bible You mean... husband, wife, and a couple of slave girls on the side?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/14 01:06 PM
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There are no contradictions there... Using "generally speaking" was meant to specify that there are exceptions to the rule, just as there would be exceptions to any other rules. But you have no evidence that your general rule is, in fact, a general rule, and not an exception to the general rule of "different people act differently". Either way, women can still wait to be approached and be rejected after the fact. But that's not what the others were talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/14 01:01 PM
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Can you provide me something to read that indicates these civilizations didn't have male led family structures but were matriarchal? I may be 100% wrong and I'm not well versed in modern feminist versions of history, but I'm unaware of these civilizations being "matriarchal" First of all, what kind of household you are talking about when you talk about "male led family structures"? Because there is a load of difference between e.g. Greek kyriarchy, which literally required a man at the top to fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/14 12:53 PM
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Seriously? Because men are not allowed to talk about how patriarchy affects them in female dominated feminist spaces (did you read the other links?). And that's why you did an 180 and became a supporter of the patriarchy. Do I have that right?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/14 12:39 PM
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Yay I'm famous!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/14 12:36 PM
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The RPW paradigm isn't "Christian values", almost every civilization (not mudhut culture, actual "civilization"--civis, city) has been "patriarchal" for lack of a better word. And before anyone throws the "Mosuo" or any other hut tribe at me, I'm going to emphasize again the distinction between them and Civilization, stone wall cities, literacy, currency, advanced trade, division of labor etc. So I guess the Egyptian, Minoan, Persian and Sarmatian civilizations were "mud hut tribes"? You will no…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/14 12:28 PM
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It can be both!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/14 12:23 PM
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Yea, keeping telling yourself that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/14 12:18 PM
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IME it depends a lot on country, culture, current location, and the people you hang out with. I've had periods in my life where I had to make all contact, and there's been periods where I had a lot of offers from the opposite sex. Honestly like most TRP "truths" this appears to be an unwarranted overgeneralization based on a very limited sample.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/14 06:01 PM
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It's baffling, isn't it? Especially in light of their horrible treatment of women they claim are "fat" or "ugly".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/14 05:56 PM
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You know, if you had left out that last part where you insulted me, you could have come across as clever or witty. As it stands now this response just makes you appear petulant and insecure. As can be inferred from my earlier responses, your incorrect use of the word "axiomatic" renders your statement nonsensical.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/14 05:55 PM
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I take it the answer is "no"? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/14 05:47 PM
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Its a recipe for a shit house relationship. Bingo.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/14 04:53 PM
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So does using "u" as a substitute for "you" in a regular sentence, by the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/14 04:51 PM
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Please stop calling women "bitches", it makes you look like a moron with no education.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/14 04:46 PM
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Thank you for posting this great article.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/14 04:43 PM
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Then you're clearly not very well acquainted with the field, because there is a lot of stuff out there that either undermines or flat out contradicts TRP core tenets.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/14 04:28 PM
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Long before I thought of myself as anti-feminist (frankly, when I would have considered myself vaguely feminist if asked), I saw and was very uncomfortable with the raw rage and anger that would get directed at scientific researchers who found very obvious conclusions from very clear data, but that contradicted the feminist catechism. For example...?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/14 04:19 PM
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Real science is already solidly in the RP camp. "Real science" here defined as "science that supports TRP", which is a tiny fraction of evo psych studies (whose scientific validity is often debatable) and basically nothing else.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/14 04:16 PM
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A study that is anathema to them? Like any ideology, scientific paradigm, or scientific camp, etc., both sides would have trouble accepting something anathema to their beliefs. Well, TRP already rejects all science that doesn't support their narrow evopsych ideas, so they have certainly more practice in rejecting science than most.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/14 04:15 PM
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Where have I said that "alpha fux beta bux" sums up "the whole of TRP"? I said that TRP claims that "all women want is financial security from beta males while getting sexual gratification from alpha males on the side". Do you disagree with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/14 04:14 PM
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Pray tell, how is it a "self-defeating strategy" if it axiomatically works on most women at both a biological and social level? Do you know what an "axiom" is?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/14 04:10 PM
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When STDs were a life sentence, when childbirth was very likely to kill, when birth control was not available and paternity could not be proved, then yeah, women were generally a bit more careful about who they jumped into bed with. Actually back then it was usually men who restricted women's sexual liberties (parents, government etc.) The "sexual gatekeepers" in those times were not women, but fathers (remember, until the 20th century "rape" was defined as men having sex with a woman against he…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/14 04:05 PM
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Of course women get rejected too but they, generally speaking, also do not take the amount of risks that men take to approach the opposite sex. They take a passive/receptive role and limit their options to the men that approach them first (at which point, they already know the other person is interested). Do you not realize that you've just contradicted yourself in your own post?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/14 04:03 PM
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Also, did you get banned or is there another reason why you're using an alt account here?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/14 04:00 PM
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What was incorrect about my statement? "Alpha fux beta bux" is a core belief of TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/14 03:58 PM
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Why do you believe I misunderstood something?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/14 03:55 PM
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Redpill puts women on a pedestal just as much, the difference is that once in that position they pelt these women with excrements to proclaim their own superiority over them. It's all based on the same faulty belief: That women are fundamentally different in their core being, that they are strange and weird and that their minds don't work like male minds do. It's telling that so many redpillers claim to have previously been "betas" in their worldview, i.e. exactly the type of people who put wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/14 03:51 PM
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What does this have to do with anything I said? You claimed that you "used to be bluepill" and "put women on a pedestal". I am saying that there is no relationship between these two positions. Do you agree or disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/14 03:36 PM
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So they didn't like it how you were harping on the destruction of male manhood by evil feminazis and you expect them to treat you like their lord and savior or what?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/14 03:32 PM
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You hear a lot that TRP is mysoginistic and hates women, but in my opinion, aside from rants from the bitter newbies, about the only theme that's contemptuous of women there is the idea of "hamstering." Well, apart from their claim that all women are irrational, manipulative, and mentally weak. Which is part of their official introductory text that is linked to by every TRP sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/14 03:21 PM
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But according to TRP, all women want is financial security from beta males while getting sexual gratification from alpha males on the side. According to TRP all women are genetically predisposed to want that, no exceptions. How do you deal with that argument, given that you very obviously don't do what TRP claims all women do?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/14 03:15 PM
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This is just an argument over semantics. Why "just"? Semantics is the meaning of words and statements. That is not a trivial aspect of a conversation, and it's certainly not valid grounds to dismiss a response out of hand. Bluepill was created in opposition of redpill, and redpillers often simply refer to anything that isn't redpill as being bluepill. Can you not see that the former is not the same as the latter? There is a world of a difference between characterizing a position as "bluepill" to…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/14 03:11 PM
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But no, not identiifying as redpill doesn't mean you are bluepill, or put women on a pedestal at all. And yet that is exactly what you're trying to imply in your post. That part of being "bluepill" inevitable leads to putting women on a pedestal. Because obviously that's what feminists want more than anything. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/14 03:02 PM
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Therefore everyone who does not identify as redpill must believe it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/14 11:45 AM
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I put women on a pedestal How is that "bluepill"?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/14 03:23 PM
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That's been mostly my experience with reddit mods in general. I suspect it comes with the complete lack of accountability in the way reddit is set up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/14 02:49 PM
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Does the Tragedy of the Commons somehow offend terpers or why are you guys downvoting this post?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/14 02:46 PM
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It's called projecting, and it's a core aspect of TRP argumentation and rhetorics.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/14 11:04 AM
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Technically, it's a collection of "just so" narratives that attach themselves to empirical data for justification.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/14 10:32 AM
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Of course, a thread on PP wouldn't be complete without some redpiller finding an angle to hate on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/14 10:26 AM
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Leading questions are a very widespread rhetoric tactic actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/14 10:24 AM
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Prove that one tenement, which can be directly interpreted as a core belief of TRP is misogyny. I'll give you one better and make it three* tenements that constitute part of TRP core beliefs: "Women are irrational and inconsistent" "Women are machiavellian in nature" "Women are depreciating assets" http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1ypnv3/red_pill_antibiotic_nuke_come_and_feed/
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/14 08:15 AM
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I can link multiple threads like this from just myself where someone claims they are citing side bar material and I am confused and I ask them to go ahead and they come back with nothing It's funny because they clearly do cite a source and even ask you for further clarification.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/14 08:04 AM
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I'm pointing out that in some ways, technology can serve to reinforce the influences that are already present in real life. I think print media and television have already shown that to be true. On the other hand, I think you are too quick to discount subcultures here - there are a lot of small communities that define themselves in absence or opposition to mainstream culture, and by extension mainstream gender stereotypes. And with the increase of globalized mass media, we've become even more ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/14 07:42 AM
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What is this, TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/14 07:36 AM
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It's pretty obvious that when TRP talks about "women", they really mean the women in their own heads.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/14 07:32 AM
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Thank you for providing these sources. Much appreciated.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/14 07:31 AM
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the conventional relationship model - which doesn't exist anymore anyway. monogamy no longer exists? What happened to all those terpers pining for LTRs and "unicorns"?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/14 07:23 AM
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Oh, so if I link you to studies that say that the majority of women prefer tall men, that would change your mind? It's worth a try, don't you think? At least I can't honestly accuse you of talking out of your ass when confronted with actual evidence. Lol do you seriously not think that women generally prefer tall men? I seriously think that when if you make sweeping generalizations about 50% of the world's population, you better back it up with really good evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/14 07:18 AM
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I could link you to one of the many studies on the subject, but I don't want to waste any more energy on someone as stupid as you who obviously has trouble with reading comprehension. Translation: I am talking out of my ass and these "many studies" only exist in my head.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/14 08:09 PM
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I'm not sure if you've ever taken a look at TBP, but all they ever do is post links to TRP to either complain or laugh about. That's pretty much the least effort for a smear campaign that's humanly possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/14 07:37 PM
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Those are excellent points, not sure why people keep downvoting your posts here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/14 07:30 PM
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Why are you trying so hard to be offended?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/14 07:19 PM
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My mistake, your initial post made it sound as if you were actually talking about the text, instead of rehashing TRP talking points.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/14 07:08 PM
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Then it shouldn't be too hard to come up with actual examples of these, correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/14 07:06 PM
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Same point can be made about the labour market. The labour market also doesn't quite behave like a proper market, unless you take into account non-traditional factors like social capital.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/14 07:03 PM
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This is why I recommended that we talk about exchange of "services" instead of of exchange of "goods". Meaning that in your model of society, women are literally all whores.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/14 07:00 PM
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It doesn't try to offend people No? Terpers here are literally equating women with used cars. You don't think anybody would consider that offensive?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/14 06:58 PM
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So the majority of women out of a non-specified sample in a nonspecified study = all women everywhere?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/14 06:54 PM
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You probably wouldn't kick back on this if we were talking about any other kind of human interaction. I would, because let's face it, not even actual markets (the physical things) are fully and completely rendered by a simple supply/demand model the way TRP proclaims to describe human relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/14 06:51 PM
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Exactly this. Similar concepts surely apply, but the way human beings choose their relationships and interact with each other is a lot more abstract and complex than how we do business deals or choose what products or service to spend money on, so using the exact same model just doesn't work. It's worth noting that even in the area of economics markets can't describe every aspect of human behavior. In some cases thinking in terms of market and supply/demand can actually be detrimental to long te…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/14 06:46 PM
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Surely these narratives show up in perceptible media?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/14 06:39 PM
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I get what you were trying to do, but I still don't find where it's implied that "guys who spent their 20's nest-building" must be avoided in their search for casual sex. If anything, it's you who implies that "nice guys" never have casual sex, and remain chaste until marriage. It seems to me that you're letting your analogy get in the way of accurate interpretation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/14 06:33 PM
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So you are saying people are only attracted... to people they are attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/14 06:26 PM
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And that's before we get into the "lovely" practice of slut shaming, 90% of which is done by "nice guy" douchebags.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/14 06:22 PM
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One group are the "bad boys"/douchebags. These are people who take pride in their sexual partner count. So... basically TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/14 06:18 PM
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My point, though, is that the modern narrative we feed those men is "work hard, don't get crazy, be husband material" Who is "we"?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/14 06:17 PM
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Women expecting the betas to keep themselves good, honest, and pure Can you point out where that is being stated or implied?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/14 06:10 PM
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find someone who wants an equal partner. Someone who thinks women should be smart, opinionated and ambitious. Yea that totally sounds like she's in agreement with TRP!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/14 06:10 PM
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messaging the mods to explain the comment LOL is that something people do? And they expect it to do result in anything but further mockery?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/14 06:05 PM
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And I was doing my best to correct that misconception and cool the rhetoric out of respect for the dead. And it's kind of tragic how you can't even see how completely tone deaf this must have appeared to people, especially those already predisposed to distrusting or hating TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/14 07:32 AM
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First of all, it's interesting that these weren't actual people, they were hypothetical men with no physical depiction/description and only a few personality traits. I continue to believe that physical attraction is huge. When you say "bad boy" I picture a physically attractive man - someone tall, muscular, physically able to handle himself. The first traits that come to mind are these. He may have the accoutrements of bad-boy-ness - maybe he's smoking and stubbly and wearing a dirty t-shirt and…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/14 07:21 AM
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What is it specifically about unavailable dark triad guys that makes them so much more desirable? They are unavailable, therefore they are desirable. We want what we don't have. IME this is a constant across all genders, and isn't even limited to sex or relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/14 07:16 AM
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I talked about how the red pill could have taught him to take responsibility for himself, and could have saved his life and the lives of those he killed, if only he had been capable of taking it. I said that, in light of the deaths, it was time for understanding. So basically you used a well known tragedy to advertise for TRP. Yea, if I were a mod at TBP I'd probably ban you for that, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/14 07:01 AM
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back to the bluepill 4 you dumbass.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/14 06:58 AM
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It's funny, he could have easily just made an alt and do the exact same thing and you wouldn't even notice.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/14 06:50 AM
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I got banned from TRP because I occasionally post in TBP and don't use alts like all the pro-terpers to mask my posting history.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/14 06:49 AM
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"thousands" (where did you get that number from? it's not in the article) out of several millions, yes
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/14 06:44 AM
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Cool story, brah.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/14 07:28 AM
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Well, there's also your unironic use of the world feminazi. But have fun talking about how feminism is totally wrong "cause it's an ideology, brah".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/14 02:49 AM
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Did the west 'contain' communism by propaganda? There's a decent argument to be made that anti-communist repression did effectively destroy Marxism as a political movement in the 20th century US.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/14 02:45 AM
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the PC, pan liberal alliance Yea, I think I just lost any desire to have a discussion with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/14 02:40 AM
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You raise an interesting point. It does appear that TRP has trouble distinguishing between submission out of free choice, and submission by force/manipulation. Hence their tragicomic misunderstanding of dom/sub relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/14 02:33 AM
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The more you spread out the power the less actual governmental mobility you have. The most efficient form of government is a dictatorship. Which is why Nazi Germany, Stalinist USSR, and Kim's North Korea are among history's most efficient societies... Actually, no. There is no evidence that dictatorships are in any way more efficient than more distributed forms of government (oligarchies, democracies...) and plenty of evidence to the contrary (e.g. any of the countries I mentioned above, plus a …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 03:57 PM
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Which is based on TRPs unfortunate inability to describe relationships as anything other than a master/slave power differential.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 03:47 PM
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What does this mean? How do you treat someone with respect? In the context of this debate: Taking their statements at face value, instead of assuming, prima facie, an ulterior motive. Acknowledging their opinions and actions as based on their own, individual, motivations, rather than part of some faceless groupthink Accepting that my own opinions are neither universal nor absolute How do they deserve that respect? Just by being people? In a way. I assume from the start that they are deserving re…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 03:43 PM
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He had a duty [...] to maintain the moral propriety and well-being of his household Maybe it's just me, but that sounds pretty close to being "the Captain" as you put it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 03:32 PM
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He isn't the Captain because he thinks I'm incompetent but because he wants to take care of me. Like this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pater_familias
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 01:38 PM
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They tend more often to prefer the submissive role but preference for the dominant role or no preference are found with considerable frequency. http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01541410
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 01:26 PM
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Just because it's sexist doesn't make it irrational. Sexism is by definition unwarranted generalization based on gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 01:24 PM
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Have you ever heard of the principle of Collegiality?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 01:21 PM
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Yea, it's patriarchy (in the literal sense) with a cutesy name.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 01:14 PM
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If only those feminists had men to tell them how to do things properly!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 01:11 PM
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Proof that TBP are all cheating ex girlfriends!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 12:57 PM
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This sounds pretty good so far, thanks for sharing!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 12:53 PM
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"I've created my own bluepill! With Blackjack, and non-feminist hookers!"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 12:49 PM
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That is a question everyone here needs to answer for themselves, grasshopper.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 12:48 PM
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It's a reason why decent discussion is rare here because you only have one side that's serious. And that's why you're just here to troll the feminists that live in your head.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 12:47 PM
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This is a great example of how to turn an, in theory, perfectly reasonable position into an excuse to stop treating other people with the respect they deserve.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 12:41 PM
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Traditional family values, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 12:33 PM
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Does "deserving" things mean that I will actually get them? No it does not. Power, effort and making the right moves. That's how you actually get things done. Not by hitting some magical level of effort that makes you deserve things so they then automatically happen. You can use methods that other people approve of, or not, doesn't matter. The results are what they are. What about all that "self improvement" that trp is supposed to be all about?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 12:29 PM
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= autopilot to awesome
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 12:28 PM
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Do you know what the world "rarely" means?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 11:22 PM
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Because it's not feminine?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 11:21 PM
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/TheRedPill
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/14 05:31 AM
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Again, it's trivial to weasle out of these arrangements and women rarely ever press these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/14 05:30 AM
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The actions by a moderator and major contributor to the sub, no less.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/14 05:25 AM
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TIL citing statements by TheRedPill moderators, and statements by other contributors to that sub, means that "you havent read the sub".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/14 05:25 AM
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And also, for the record, feminism has done more for men than TRP or even MRA "movement" has. Now let's be fair, that's a really low bar to clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/14 05:23 AM
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I want as much, roughly, out of the relationship, as I put in. So... a penis?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/14 05:22 AM
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Most ex husbands don't pay alimony.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/14 05:20 AM
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Sorry, terp tends to use "feminism" as a shorthand for "modern society", so it's hard to tell when a redpiller talks about actual feminist theory, especially when he has not displayed any actual knowledge of feminist issues or terminology.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/14 06:59 AM
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I was a radical feminist for more than a decade. By redpill standards I'm sure you were. However I was talking about actual feminist theory as it is being taught in colleges and universities.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/14 06:43 AM
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If she has one kid in tow, a lot of guys will marry her up again - so she's getting access to his salary plus her ex's support payments. Pretty good deal. Assuming that this is how it actually works. In a lot of countries alimony ends on re-marriage. Also it's usually trivial to weasle out of alimony for ex husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/14 06:38 AM
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But the man generally winds up financially better off because they lose the dead weight of an aging shrew having to take care of their children FTFY
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/14 06:33 AM
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I think our perceptions are skewed because we always hear about the wealthy doctor, lawyer, investor, ect getting divorced and getting screwed by his ex-wife, however this type of arrangement is quite rare. The average family getting divorced makes $50,000 or less. And in many countries.deadbeat husbands, minimum/low wage earners etc. don't have to pay alimony at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/14 06:31 AM
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I see this thrown around about the women all the time, but you guys are apparently far more logical. It's projection, really.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/14 06:23 AM
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some mythical cabal of men, a "patriarchy" if you will You might want to familiarize yourself at least with the very basics of feminist thought, before embarassing yourself with obvious gaffes, like completely misunderstanding the concept of patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/14 06:20 AM
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why are they always focused on the (hypothetical or not) negative behavior of men Because terp professes to give relationship advice to men, not women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/14 06:14 AM
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Well my roommate forgot to buy toilet paper yesterday, so that's at least one problem "women" are responsible for.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/14 06:11 AM
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My experience with men of all stripes and colours is that they exaggerate their partner count. And therefore that behavior must be a result of genetics? Are there even any legit examples of genetically inherited behavior patterns in humans that are limited to one gender? Or even actual inherited behavior patterns (as opposed to simple reflexes)?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 01:35 PM
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That would imply taking part in a debate as an equal and honest partner. i.e., the exact opposite of what terp is about.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 09:26 PM
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...and promptly gets downvoted by terpers!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 09:20 PM
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I don't think evil is hyperbolic at all. I think that's exactly how BPers see it. How about you let "BPers" talk for themselves? This is something that really annoys be with the terper crowd here. It's not only that you feel like talking down to people with different beliefs, you can't even talk to other people without retreating into this ridiculous egocentrism.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 09:16 PM
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And this is where the RP concept of the "rationalization hamster" comes in. People often either don't know or don't want to admit why they did something, so they invent a rationalization for it. It's really sad how many people miss the unintentional irony there.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 09:08 PM
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That doesn't mean [...] that 'doing what works' excuses you from moral responsibility for what you do And yet that's the premise of this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 09:05 PM
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So basically I'm an emotional abuser who doesn't care about my partner's feelings. Good to know If you really are using methods like that, then yea that's what it looks like from outside.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 08:56 PM
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"Be nice. Just be yourself." Orbiter game is the default, the gender-flipped version of female hypergamy. I have yet to see anybody endorse stringing people along with false promises as a good thing. IME that's one of the few asshole things that gets called out by both genders, alongside with cheating ("platespinning" in trp terms?) If your relationships have been like that, I feel really sorry for you, but it's certainly not something most people (male or female) think is a decent thing to do. …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 08:49 PM
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Nope. Sometimes, I'm analyzing dynamics, in a strictly amoral way. I remove the moral weight, the narrative, the personalization, and just look at what is happening. Have you seen people widely endorse the "orbiter scenario" as healthy and decent relationship advice? If not, then why are you so puzzled that people condemn the "dread game"? (Assuming that your puzzlement is genuine.)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 06:47 PM
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Wow, that persecution complex really runs deep, doesn't it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 05:06 PM
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I choose to assume that that "care" correlated them to certain behaviours in addition to parodies. That's your choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 05:01 PM
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The thing is, I haven't seen anybody endorse what you call the "orbiter scenario" as a healthy and sensible way to maintain a relationship. It seems that this is an assumption on the OP's part.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 04:59 PM
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They care about expressing that disapproval. ... via parody, yes. I thought we've already established that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 05:47 AM
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But in a depersonalized analysis, Dread Game is just a reversal of Orbiter Game. In the same sense that physical abuse is just a reversal of a lack of physical abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 05:45 AM
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What I also have observed though is that the most popular and endorsed response to aberrant thoughts/opinions on tbp is to publicize and ridicule/parody it. It's as close to being an "officially endorsed" behaviour on tbp as you can get. That's because, as has been stated several times in this thread, tbp is a parody sub. People who aren't interested in publicizing and ridiculing/parodying trp don't go there. It seems to be that your argument boils down to this: "People who often show up in a su…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 05:40 AM
1

I really don't understand why more red pillers don't just go to BDSM clubs. They'd learn all sorts of fun shit and might find they actually like it. Well, a lot of BDSM relies heavily on that c-word redpillers hate so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 05:06 AM
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I do think that bpers are more likely to engage in this behaviour than most though. You don't think terpers are likely to shame fellow men for not being masculine enough, or women for being too masculine/feminist?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 05:03 AM
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Also, in my convo with aaron, I was clearly referring to bpers as in "people active in tbp". You were also clearly referring to bpers as people "offline" who profess "social outrage". In your original post you were clearly talking about a wider social phenomenon: Bpers bandwagoning against aberrant behaviour/speech is normal behaviour... Especially on reddit but even offline. Social outrage is in vogue.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 04:45 AM
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It's basically emotional blackmail. But why do they find it so upsetting? I don't know, do you find emotional blackmailing upsetting when you're on the receiving end of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 04:35 AM
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But that's being dishonest. In the context of terp, everyone who hasn't yet become "red" is still "blue". tbp is a parody sub thats open for everyone who dislikes terp, unlike terp which has an official ideology complete with "approved" texts.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 04:32 AM
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bp by definition includes everyone who isn't redpill... meaning that the overwhelming majority of men and women are bp. Tell me again how the overwhelming majority of the world's population falls into the same ideological pattern.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 04:27 AM
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The anti-terp conspiracy is probably not good at reading, because Ive seen a lot of anti-terp posts get downvoted in this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 03:37 AM
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judging by the ideologies most of them seem to hold. ideologies such as... everything that is not trp
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 03:34 AM
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Ive had a guy on trp explain how he feels frustrated by society because it doesn't let men show proper emotions. Then in the same thread he turned around and lecture me how emotions aren't masculine and proper men don't get emotional. That's a textbook example of toxic masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 03:30 AM
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Only if she blames all her misery on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 03:25 AM
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requiring explicit repeated consent during any sexual activity I really don't see the problem. Why would you sex someone without even the slightest positive reaction on their part? It also means that drunk women can't consent Not seeing the problem there either. Sexing people who are too drunk to notice isn't cool regardless the gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 03:13 AM
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Well, debating opposing views is grounds for being banned from trp, so it's unlikely that people posting there are being exposed to a variety of viewpoints in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 03:08 AM
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It's built into the male DNA to lie in the other direction (sorry, I didn't specify the direction of the lie) about their partner count. So scientific research found out that men are incapable of lying in the "female" direction, and vice versa? Or would they be capable in principle, but studies found that those men observed overwhelmingly didn't? Do you maybe have a link to one of these studies?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 03:06 AM
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Mental maturity = recognizing your menopause? Sorry, I still don't see what the one has to do with the other, or "feminism" for that matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 12:25 AM
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US sex education is devolving from the abstinence-only garbage of the 1990s to the current pablum dispensed on college campuses: rape, rape, rape everywhere. Even if what you say is true, starting sex ed when people go to college doesn't strike me as particularly sensible. Shouldn't sex ed start off during early puberty? It's nice a pipe dream that someday there'd be sex ed by people without an ideological agenda, but I doubt I'll see that in my lifetime... How is warning about the consequences …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 12:22 AM
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Part of the liberation in Red Pill, for me, is that I no longer am concerned/care when certain women do things like lie about the number of sex partners they have. I understand why they do it - it's practically built into their DNA Are you saying that men never lie about their number of sex partners? Because if there's a part of the "female DNA" that somehow makes women lie about their previous sexual conquests, how is it possible that men would do the exact same thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 12:18 AM
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Are you really blaming r/BluePill for the sorry state of US sex education?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 12:08 AM
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RP is simply realistic about what the privileges are and who has what. No moral judgments. Are you serious? Have you been reading any of the terp subs? Even their "official" texts (you know, the statements they use to present themselves to non-terpers) are ridiculously one-sided and misogynist... and that's nothing compared to the actual posts in those subs.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 12:02 AM
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I spent years as a feminist, especially in academic and activist circles. Feminism is NOT about making things more equitable for men. Yes it is. However, unlike MRA and terp, it does not assume that modern society priviledges women and oppresses men, but rather, that the reverse is true. Then again, if you already believe that women already got it easier and have it better than they deserve, you're likely going to see any motion towards more equality and against the entrenched patriarchial struc…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/14 09:23 PM
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But men don't have any advantages once they get married Except they are usually the ones who keep their job and advance their careers, while the wife stays home and/or puts her career on the backburner for the kids. This is also why most men are stuck with alimony after a divorce. Not some manhating feminist conspiracy like terp would like you believe. I'm in favour of making things equitable, by the way. Wouldn't you know, so is feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/14 06:13 PM
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Because if we weren't, we'd get doxxed and we'd have a horde of people trying to make us lose our jobs, get evicted from where we live, etc So basically youre afraid of something that women have to put up with every time they use their real name somewhere?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/14 06:10 PM
1

Given that the majority of people on terp are alts...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/14 06:04 PM
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Interesting to see why these types when they cant infiltrate or takeover a sub create parodies and/or offshoot alternatives. No idea the motive or endgoal is supposed to be. They simply cannot broker the idea that anyone who doesn't agree with their ideology can find like minded people and talk to them. unintentional irony is ironic
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/14 05:58 PM
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It's true! All women are lying moneygrubbing hamsters who live the high life on the backs of their nice guy beta bucks!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/14 05:55 PM
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I'm simply saying men have it worse off than women. So based on one statistic, the suicide rates after divorce (which is in fact the only stat where men are significantly worse off than women) you conclude that all men everywhere are oppressed by all women. Did you know that on average, men are better off financially after a divorce than women? But of course that's feminist lies, after all terp teaches us that women live the high life after divorce on the backs of their beta bucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/14 05:53 PM
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But those women are irrelevant, because they don't fit the narrative of widespread feminist oppression of men. Isn't that right?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/14 05:35 PM
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Needs work.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/14 07:42 PM
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Where does this persistent myth come from that playing mind games and manipulating others is a sign of confidence and maturity, anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/14 03:46 AM
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What on earth are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/14 12:51 AM
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I have run into no one who doesn't experience success on TRP And everyone in the USSR loved and supported the communist regime. After all, that's what was written in PRAVDA.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/14 10:13 PM
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Spinning plates usually includes informing the plates being spun that they are not exclusive or girlfriends. I've never cheated on a plate, and never spun one without their consent. Can I ask you a favor? Could you please stop referring to human beings as inanimate objects?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/14 10:08 PM
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I'm glad I finally found somebody to tell me when and how I'm allowed to speak my mind!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/14 09:51 PM
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If you had contributed anything above the level of the same lame terp platitudes that I've been reading here by the dozen, maybe I'd have found it in me to build proper arguments. As it stands though, your posts just aren't worth responding to in depth.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/14 09:45 PM
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But I think most in America do connect and equate sexual preferences with "general behavior" as you put it, or general character. It's sad, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/14 09:30 PM
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Makes sense. It's someone else's fault you're incoherent in every post you make. Other people don't seem to have trouble parsing my statements or understanding my arguments. Leaving me to conclude that the problem isn't me or my writing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/14 09:27 PM
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TRP is shown to work By whom, and according to what standards? adherents wouldn't follow it if it did not - it would be proved just as false as the heliocentric model It's been shown again and again that terp is based on pseudoscience and bad evo psych. Has this persuaded even a single one of you to abandon your little sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/14 08:59 PM
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That's because I'm irrational by nature. I just cant stand against the torrent of flawless terp logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/14 08:57 PM
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"The Heliocentric Model must have been correct, or else generations of people wouldn't have believed in it."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/14 08:45 PM
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Which ironically is the standard response by terpers to anti-terp arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/14 07:53 PM
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Why do you think guys follow TRP if it doesn't work? Two possible explanations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost_fallacy
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/14 07:51 PM
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Really? Cause Ive seen plenty of terpers realize that coming off as authentic and genuine in their interaction with other people is usually seen as a plus!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/14 07:44 PM
2

Tautology, Definition: Tautology in formal logic refers to a statement that must be true in every interpretation by its very construction. In rhetorical logic, it is an argument that utilizes circular reasoning, which means that the conclusion is also its own premise.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/14 07:43 PM
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The fuck all of it is, an unsuccessful marriage can have disastrous consequences for a man. It is no joke. Believe me. I bet you that's a big reason why you aren't married. For many men, marriage is a bad gamble. On the other hand, women always live the high life. A divorce is a funny game with zero consequences. That a large number of women leave their first marriages depressed and destitute is total coincidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/14 07:38 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost_fallacy
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/14 07:30 PM
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If a couple wants to be footloose and fancy free - well, we have a term called "spinning plates" for that. Isn't that just a fancy term for two-timing a girl without her knowledge or consent?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/14 07:25 PM
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Ah yes I forgot, by terp standards male entitlement = logic & reason
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/14 07:20 PM
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Something logical like "it just happened".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 10:54 PM
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If you can constantly outwit them and aren't mean about it, they'll get wet from it. "I carefully checked each and every girl I negged for the moisture of their nether regions. Gentlemen, I have scientifically proven that verbal abuse is the objectively best way to approach a woman!"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 08:54 PM
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Still waiting for that sandwich!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 08:49 PM
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As soon as you apologize for calling women in second marriages "cheaters" (and worse) for expecting their new partners to help raise their kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 08:29 PM
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Indeed, if you read any womens reasoning when confronted with cheating to them it isn't, ''it just happened'', ''he wasn't the man I married''. After all, men never say these things, and when they do, they are always honest. Unlike women, the lying moneygrubbing hamsters!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 07:09 PM
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nope, scientology aggressively recruits So does terp, any any of its related pua scams
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 06:42 PM
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That has nothing to do with the goals expressed at RPW. Really? Cause you know, this is advertised in RPW's sidebar: http://www.reddit.com/r/RedPillWomen/comments/1z72xt/trp_xpost_red_pill_antibiotic_nuke_come_and_feed/ Women are irrational and inconsistent Women are machiavellian in nature, this means they are comparatively proficient at being manipulative versus the typical male. Women are hypergamous they feel entitled to a superior mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 06:41 PM
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What can I say, there's a reason why these people become so attached to gender as the only marker of personal worth...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 06:33 PM
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I thought we were talking about the red pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 06:31 PM
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Do you feel shame for everything men do wrong? Obviously, if a man does something wrong it's all the women's fault anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 06:31 PM
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In all fairness, a lot of people do subscribe to unwarranted overgeneralizations based on singular experiences so it's not completely out of the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 06:29 PM
0

You know you really shouldn't rely on pills to get you laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 06:28 PM
1

Alpha as fuck! moists
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 06:26 PM
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For me I happen to very much identify with the views held by RPW. You see yourself as a moneygrubbing hamster?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 06:25 PM
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Switching back would require me to become disgusted with the hatred, internal inconsistency, and ruinous effects on people's lives with the Red Pill I love the unintentional irony.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 06:23 PM
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Is this just a kneejerk response or do you really not know what trp is about? Like have you ever actually read the texts they advertise in their sidebar?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 06:20 PM
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So alpha! much man!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 06:19 PM
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I think what you're missing here is that according to terp the choice between "blue" and "red" is a man's choice and only a man's choice. According to terp AWALT so women by our very natures cannot be anything but lying conniving bitches who only look out for status and money.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 06:13 PM
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"But but... AWALT!"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 06:07 PM
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There is plenty of common ground between Boko Haram and terp. Both of them believe that women are inferior and that feminism has made women forget their proper place. And both of them idealize patriarchial society.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 06:00 PM
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Instead you have a culture where racking up partner counts is "empowering" examples: /TheRedPill /trpGame
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 05:57 PM
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A truly advanced culture only allows men to act rude and entitled!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 05:48 PM
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Industrialisation reduced workers to commodities, and this led to more "equality" between men and women. Nope, in many countries women actually suffered disproportionally from industrialization because they were usually stuck into worse jobs, with worse pay, and (unlike men) no way to advance socially.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 05:43 PM
1

In the same sense that Scientology isn't "recruiting".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 05:38 PM
1

This alpha talk makes me so wet!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 05:34 PM
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But you won't marry women with kids, because to you that is "cowardly and stupid". For no other reason than some irrational disgust for kids not born of your sperm.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 02:42 PM
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How did you get out of the kitchen babyboy? Sandwich, stat!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 02:04 PM
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Right. Because all those kids from first marriages are raised by different fathers for no other reason because the fathers were lied to. Yup. Totally what happens all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 01:55 PM
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After all, we all know that men turn sterile the moment they start raising children.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 01:54 PM
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Second, yes its noble to raise another man's child. Its also noble to jump on the grenade So what you're saying is raising a child that's not grown from your sperm is literal physical self destruction. Thank you for this refreshing perspective Cpt Hyperbole
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 01:53 PM
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If I wanted to raise children that don't have my DNA, I would become a foster/adoptive parent. Let me guess, you're a highschooler who's never had to consider marriage, let alone divorce, let alone a second marriage where the new partners would have to deal with each other's kids from the first marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/14 09:03 PM
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If women had to deal with this, it would be a capital offense What is "this"? Raising a child not biologically yours? Plenty of women in second marriages are dealing with it, every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/14 08:58 PM
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One of the greatest challenges I'm facing is that sadly, obnoxious and bigoted comments do not go away when you yell at the screen. Even worse, they often don't go away when you yell at them in real life, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/14 08:37 PM
1

You know a theory of social interaction is going to be daft when it has based its central metaphor off of a pretentious SciFi movie from the late 1990s.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/14 08:35 PM
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If your female partner doesn't want to have sex, it's not a relationship, she's not a girlfriend. It's just some weird screwed up friendship involving unrequited desire. So you believe guys are entitled to sex is that it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/14 08:31 PM
1

What quandary?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/14 08:26 PM
1

So alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/14 07:25 AM
1

How do you think your friends would react to the revelation that you only really consider women "plates" to be spun and "holes" to be fucked?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/14 07:24 AM
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Our marketting isn't done by RPers. Its done by idiots who cant be bothered to read further than "career, lift, sex, bitter misogyny" So, the most vocal trp posters, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/14 07:13 AM
1

And that is part of the problem: You literally cannot conceive of a situation where the girl would want to have sex but the guy wouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 09:10 PM
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If the genders were reversed, I would fully encourage women to do the same. But that's the issue here. For terp, it's not an issue if the genders are reversed. It's only an issue when your girl doesn't put out.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 09:03 PM
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I'd prefer it if people didn't lie at all, but back in the real world a white lie or some tall tale to make yourself look good probably isn't going to matter in the long run. Actively misleading somebody (about relationships, STDs, your motivations...) on the other hand I'd consider an absolute no go. I wouldn't do that, and I'd expect my partners to do likewise.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 08:48 PM
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Sometimes they want the same woman to be both. Classic Madonna/Whore complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 08:45 PM
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I understand what you're saying, but the reality is that the girl is trying to manipulate the outcome of a relationship by artificially implementing behavior that's not natural for her. You mean... she got game?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 08:44 PM
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But you could at least ask questions that make sense and or are legitimate criticisms. Pointing out the cognitive dissonance between slut shaming and making sex a requirement for a relationship is not a legitimate criticism? Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 08:42 PM
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The "Iron Rule of Tomassi" you just quoted is referring to when a woman is consciously choosing to make a man wait for sex. So by terp standards any reason not to have sex is valid, except the conscious choice of your female partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 08:40 PM
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There's an entire subreddit of women who feel they're "winning" while accepting the red pill philosophy. Good for them. At the very least they've made some lemonade from society's expectations of female sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 08:37 PM
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That's you talking, not me. I don't believe in calling women "sluts". I like women who put out and don't shame them for it. Maybe you should consider the company you keep, then: http://np.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1urwfb/the_slut_double_standard/
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 08:35 PM
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Regardless of whether you feel it's who you are, it's hurtful, vicious, and hypocritical.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 08:21 PM
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AWALT, sister!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 08:19 PM
1

so alpha...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 03:22 PM
2

So what, you're saying now that only women should be responsible for their children?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 03:15 PM
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Believing that men like myself can cause a degradation of traditional roles is just giving us too much credit Gotta agree with Mr Valizadeh on that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 03:11 PM
1

Given how many terps find it okay to smack women around at their leisurre I'd say terp is totally okay with forcing sex roles on women. After all, rape doesnt really exist according to terp theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 03:08 PM
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Of course I am. Are you seriously saying that you recognize a better way to attract someone but you refuse to do it? Why would someone take a less optimal path in anything? Because sex and romance is not always about finding the path of least resistance. Sometimes the path is more important than the goal. I've known guys who did the whole romantic pursuit not because it was the game-theoretically optimal thing to do, they just enjoyed the thrill of romancing a girl old school style, with flowers…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 02:53 PM
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There's a difference between being a Sub in the bedroom and being a submissive personality. The two aren't the same, not all bedroom subs are wilted flowers outside of it or vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 02:50 PM
5

Well now you have terp, where you can learn about the inherent superiority of white males!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 02:46 PM
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In a nutshell, it's an unwarranted overgeneralization of human relationships with no real evidence to back it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 02:39 PM
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Obviously the part where women are naturally inferior to males. I used to be a moneygrubbing hamster, but now Im a good submissive who only does what shes told and only listens to alphas!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 02:36 PM
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Honestly I don't think it's feasible or even possible to restore trust in all men or all women. If you set yourself up in a position where you think AWALT or AMALT then it's inevitable that a single bad experience will destroy your trust for everyone, all the time. IMO it's best not to let one asshole boy/girlfriend be a stand-in for all men/women. People can be different, it's not like the entire world is made up exclusively of assholes. Thats my 2c at least
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/14 08:15 AM
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There's just too many ways for men to cheat and get away with it now. There's no point having a boyfriend or wanting to get married today. Men being sexually promiscuous wouldn't be a problem as long as they didn't cheat or seek validation from anyone but their partners, but the general trend I see is men going macho on the side while siphoning resources from their partners who actually believe they are angels. Apart from casual sex, there's not much else to desire from the stereotypical modern …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/14 11:02 PM
1

?
/r/TheRedPill06/06/14 12:46 AM
1

what, again?
/r/TheRedPill05/06/14 10:04 AM
1

Viable for what specifically? It's just an abstract concept for discussion purposes. Also, the fact that it isn't perfect doesn't preclude discussion and heuristics. So what is it an abstraction from, and what kind of discussion is faciliated and encouraged through using that particular model of abstraction?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/14 09:38 AM
1

Biotruth!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/14 09:28 AM
1

there you go at it again!
/r/TheRedPill05/06/14 09:01 AM
1

"no u"
/r/TheRedPill05/06/14 05:19 AM
1

You make a lot of sense there... If a man thinks he is better than you he can't respect you, if he can't respect you he can't love you. Men love women differently to the way women love men. Man's love is based on adoration, adoration is a concentrated amount of awe. Awe is derived from beauty. Be beautiful if you want to be loved, or you will never be loved. You will be held in contempt for being ugly. Men have a pronounced gender group bias which means they typically de facto side with other me…
/r/TheRedPill04/06/14 01:51 PM
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But they try to use words like "bitch" and "slut" to shame women, put themselves above all women, and get treated with respect because they have balls. When we see men as humans, don't put up with it, and treat them the same as any male who is full of shit and expecting something for nothing, they accuse us of shit testing and being hypergamous. Most are little more than spoiled children, which is very sad, because they could be so much more but instead choose to be angry because they aren't get…
/r/TheRedPill04/06/14 01:39 PM
1

For example: "By your very own logic... <reverse the genders>" Like this? People who care about women's rights are insecure. People who care about women's rights hate men. People who care about women's rights hate straight men. People who care about women's rights have no conscience. People who care about women's rights aren't doing anything. You're right, when genderswapped these points do sound rather ridiculous!
/r/TheRedPill04/06/14 01:14 PM
1

That was both unfunny and inaccurate. "They linked to "red pill antibiotic", which is condense introduction to TRP." inaccurate LOL
/r/TheRedPill04/06/14 01:04 PM
3

95% of is aren't like that, but that 5% has given them the leverage they need to blow it all out of proportion. TRPs frontpage alone proves it's more like 5% aren't like that. The rest is either whining that women have it so much better than men, hating on women for wanting equality, or ranting how all women are sluts and whores.
/r/TheRedPill04/06/14 01:38 AM
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most guys that identify as "Men's rights activists" are doing the same thing feminists are. Bitching, moaning, and playing the victim until they get what they want. Sounds like /r/theredpill alright.
/r/TheRedPill04/06/14 01:27 AM
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"I can't walk down the block after 9PM without being scared for my life". What part of that statement is illogical?
/r/TheRedPill04/06/14 01:05 AM
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Yea, you guys sure look happy when you write pages upon pages full of posts where you whine how unfair your life is and how you're all oppressed by women because they don't want to fuck you.
/r/TheRedPill03/06/14 05:55 PM
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This type of sentiment is why RP needs to exist. I think it's more along the lines of... This type of sentiment is the reason why TRP exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 02:46 AM
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So basically your first instinct was to run back to Mensrights to complain about the evil Feminazis. Clearly you are interested in a nuanced discussion.
/r/MensRights26/05/14 08:33 PM
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typical whiny beta bitch response
/r/TheRedPill26/05/14 04:10 AM
1

Typical beta response. Pussy got your tongue, eh?
/r/TheRedPill26/05/14 02:28 AM
0

100% pure unadulterated attention whoring. In all those fucking paragraphs you add not one ounce of content, just attention whoring based on the fact you got some two-bit whore to fuck you.
/r/TheRedPill26/05/14 01:45 AM
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For somebody who claims to be an alpha, you sure are a whiny, bitchy little cunt.
/r/TheRedPill25/05/14 03:28 AM
2

My life has only been 17 years long, but I believe the world is a terrible place; full of hatred, deception and war, and after imposing TRP on my life, I am alienated. You just need to find the right man, and everything will be fine, trust me on this.
/r/RedPillWomen22/05/14 04:09 PM
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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