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| 1 | "What Will We Concede To Feminism": UPDATEYou're being hypocritical. No, I'm being skeptical. Your "mountain" of evidence is not really a very tall mountain. You also seem to misread many of the things I say. I didn't call the study itself handwaving. I said that the conclusions you draw from it amount to handwaving. You pointed to a 5-7% gap that is unexplained, showed a previously unaccounted for effect that is clearly demonstrated within at least one somewhat narrow context (initial negotiation attempts for online job postings of a p… | /r/MensRights | 08/07/13 01:37 PM |
| 1 | "What Will We Concede To Feminism": UPDATEInteresting. So yeah, I think that makes a very compelling argument that men are more likely to negotiate. It's very plausible to me that this would be a significant factor contributing to the wage gap. Value is still a consideration, though. If women don't ask for higher salaries, typically, you'd expect them to be over-represented unless the men were also perceived as providing greater value. So the men, presumably, are asking for more and still getting hired. Bottom line, though, is that I'm … | /r/MensRights | 03/07/13 10:28 PM |
| 1 | "What Will We Concede To Feminism": UPDATEWell let's forget about gender for a moment. You think it's ridiculous that your demands are more likely to be met if you are perceived as a more valuable employee? Also, in my experience, most people don't negotiate raises. They just receive them from management, and they do appear to be tied to the way management values you. I've compared my raises with coworkers and some of them have even gone and asked for more afterward. One guy in particular was told if he wanted a bigger raise, he'd have … | /r/MensRights | 03/07/13 09:10 PM |
| 1 | "What Will We Concede To Feminism": UPDATEmen having a tendency to more aggressively negotiate raises. Devil's Advocate: successful negotiation hinges on perceived value. If an employer tends to value a male employee more than a female employee, he will tend to be more successful in salary negotiation regardless of skill or tactics. Is this likely to be the case? I honestly can't say, but there is reason to think it might be. Most people who take an IAT tend to associate men and women along traditional gender roles, which suggests there… | /r/MensRights | 03/07/13 08:27 PM |
| 2 | "What Will We Concede To Feminism": UPDATERussell's Teapot is more about unfalsifiability. It illustrates that even absurd statements with no rational basis can often still be immune to disproof. This idea, on the other hand, is plausible, and it probably isn't unfalsifiable in principle, just in current practice. So it might be true to some extent, and there might be something we could do to detect or address the problem. If so, the only reason why we should ignore it is if we have good reason to believe the problem doesn't exist or if… | /r/MensRights | 03/07/13 06:43 PM |
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