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We have to be really clear on our logical reasoning when we compare examples. Which past societies are you referring to? The disparity in resources in the United States in 2026 isn’t automatically synonymous with the impact of unequal societies at any given time. But I think this comes down to your values as well. What is worth sacrificing for higher marriage and birth rates. A primary factor is also that we have a relatively strong economy and rights/freedoms for women. So if you’re not optimiz…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:42 PM
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Yup. I lived in Europe for a minute after college. Much better social safety net overall and quality of living even in some places like Spain with less ideal job markets. We have a capitalism-on-steroids kind of society here, so that’s life. Having said that, one of the biggest issues with adult children indefinitely being on parents’ health care is about legal identity. Marriage creates a separate legal family unit with mutual rights and obligations, whereas once children become adults, the law…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:03 PM
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Yes, you definitely would need to work on those things. That’s the point. Either that or just accept the aggregate results of the society you’ve designed and maintained. That’s kind of how psychology and socioeconomics work. Different conditions perpetuate different realities. You can accept the less ideal realities or you change the conditions highly correlated with those outcomes. Trying to pressure people alone doesn’t work very well. At the moment, those of us with more education and more in…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:43 PM
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Sure. I actually think a lot of this comes down to the things we aren’t investing in that seem unrelated to marriage. For example, one of the things I’ve found interesting in data is that educated people are more likely to get married and less likely to get divorced - also more likely to wait until they’re older to get married when they’re more mature and better at selecting partners and relationship skills in general. One solution, according to this correlation, would be to invest in making sur…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:30 PM
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This is very true. That’s why I think people who are against marriage for non-political reasons really haven’t done their research. There are actual life outcomes more positively associated with marriage. Your financial and class realities are even largely associated with marriage. People who argue that marriage just comes down to a piece of paper + divorce risk honestly have no clue. That doesn’t mean everyone should get married, but the solutions to bridge the gap will take generations of poli…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:17 PM
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That means you just don’t get married. Easy solution!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:10 PM
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Social pressure can backfire actually. Pressure to get married can easily increase divorce rates back to what we saw with previous generations. We can be smarter than that and still encourage marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:09 PM
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Just want to throw some divorce data in here 🤓 Millennials so far have lower divorce rates, which is encouraging and divorce rates have been decreasing for decades. Comparing generations at the same ages, Millennials have divorced less than Gen X, and Gen X has divorced less than Baby Boomers. Demographers generally view Boomers as an unusually high-divorce generation, while more recent cohorts have shown lower divorce rates throughout early and mid-adulthood. We don’t know Millennials’ final li…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:04 PM
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You just described what I described in my father as serving his woman. I already stated that I think his behavior is what women should look for and what I valued as well. I believe I explained why, but let me know if I didn’t or you missed it. I already justified it in my post. You also already said, “that men should serve women just like your father seemingly has done with your mother.” How are you throwing up now when you literally just acknowledged this? Were you throwing up before? I’m confu…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 05:49 AM
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I agree that I think men should serve women, but I disagree that my ideals are a parallel model to the manosphere just on the other side. I can see how it looks that way to men who are the complete opposite though. The question is about 50/50 men and the risks of certain types of men vs. others. I responded discussing another kind of man...because that’s what the question was about. To assume that I am arguing in favor of the flip side of the same coin of women’s subservience that we hear from t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 04:43 AM
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That's correct. How is it one-sided?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 04:18 PM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 03:35 PM
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We didn’t do 50/50 much before we got married because my husband makes so much more money than I do. Even as a feminist, I felt some kind of way about that and we discussed it. He also shared his feelings around money with me. We communicated and came to an understanding that worked for us. The 50/50 rigidly is like a bastardization of what feminism is, first of all. Feminism is also largely about structural, institutional, and systemic transformation. Without that, imo, splitting 50/50 has limi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:45 PM
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This is a personal opinion. Before I was married, I enjoyed some casual sex with men (and women). Not nearly as much as I should have, but I had fun. Some better than others for sure ofc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:16 AM
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Yes, I mentioned that in another comment. Should have included that here as it may be the one of biggest reasons. Good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:24 PM
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Gotta pursue whatever it is that makes you happy, as long as you don't hurt anyone else. Good for you!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:24 PM
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This is literally not the same topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 09:21 PM
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It's not the only explanation. You just argued that there are multiple Y-chromosome bottlenecks, so I know you don't know what you're talking about. It's cool. Have a good day!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 09:12 PM
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It sounds like you don't actually know what I'm talking about, so I'll just end this here unless you want to do the research.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 09:07 PM
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Good thing that isn't you though. Sometimes you just have to be happy for the road you're on. They're grown men at least, so they can always leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 08:57 PM
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I love the specificity - thank you! But you can be besotted and intensely affectionate without desiring sex. But that's also not what you said so lol Thanks for sharing what you mean - that passion for you must include sexual desire and without it, you don't acknowledge other ways of being passionate for your partner, if I understand you correctly. I don't think I agree with your point. People don't live to get married like they once did, so you can live a whole adult life before getting married…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:49 PM
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Nothing wrong with that. I absolutely stand by women who refuse to have sex if they don't absolutely crave it in that moment. I've been in that mindset too. That can put more pressure on men to actually seduce their partners and show up more than many often do. Personally, I'm in the middle now. Sometimes, I feel like absolutely not and if so, I 100% honor those feelings. Sometimes, I'm flexible. Kind of like, as long as I'm not too stressed or absolutely can't imagine the appeal, I can get into…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:40 PM
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Hooking up can be great. Traditional relationships aren't for everyone and knowing that up front allows you to be honest with people too. Win win.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:39 PM
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I think it's possibly more likely that some people aren't very perceptive and ignore or set things to the side. Your wife could be just as much a part of this as you are. Lack of depth in the relationship connection, issues with self-awareness, observation, they require less, etc. The reasons are many and every person and relationship is different on both sides of the equation. Just because it worked with your wife doesn't mean it would work with everyone. And it also depends on the extent that …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:33 PM
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I mean, you definitely can just fuck around if that's what you want. We should all be conscious and intentional in dating about what we value most and align actions from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:29 PM
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It's a good job that, like most men of a certain age, I've spent most of my life repressing my emotions. So a woman would never know I have such thoughts. You probably don't suppress these thoughts as well as you think. The issue is young women need to be trained to sharpen discernment and have higher self-esteem and standards to spot the red flags. They also need to be more bold overall to trigger the right reactions. I can see it a mile away and the way I engage with men prompts the right conv…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:44 PM
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I'm specifically referring to the Y-chromosome bottleneck which marks a sharp decline in male contribution to DNA. Don't just "get this" from somewhere - go back and read/research to actually understand what I'm saying and then circle back. What I'm referring to was not fundamental to human biology. Women being generally selective may be, but I'm referring to the period of significant decline that maps out to what scientists see now in our DNA. Just drop the attitude and go read about. Better to…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:28 PM
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Selective also in the sense of polygyny and choosing well-resourced men, but you're right that violence was a major contributor and polygyny can be forced as well and that goes beyond being selective (well, at least for the woman being married off). Hunter gatherer societies are also thought to have been relatively egalitarian in their social organization compared to patriarchy, which is the context in which the Y-chromosome bottleneck appears.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:24 PM
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Look - Exhibit A : a woman's feelings! Let us observe.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:17 PM
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"Women who have different feelings with different people are problematic" does map out onto my argument that you have to respect women as people whose feelings matter to be able to understand basic things about their emotions and behavior, so I think we agree on a baseline of what kind of "rationalizing" is required to understand the topic. A middle ground where we can agree! As far as "not as passionate" - this depends on what you mean. If you narrowly define "passion" as "sexual", then within …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:16 PM
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Not quite, but I understand the point you're trying to make! I agree that patriarchy is a part of this at a fundamental level, but I don't think there's evidence I've seen for the other claims. From what I've read the definitions of historical periods and the exact number of years since the development of agriculture varies depending on specific definitions. 12,000 is the more common number benchmark, but including pre-agricultural periods or broad definitions that include a gradual transition o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:50 PM
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It's not completely that simple. Experts attribute this to social norms that happened at one point or another, like polygyny or migration.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:24 PM
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Science doesn't exactly map out onto "always." There are some periods where they find this concentrated effect more than others, if my memory serves me correctly. Red pill is trash, but they might occasionally blend facts in with the bullshit. Even creationists and flat earthers start off with basic facts like "the earth exists" etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:20 PM
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You think that women bearing children means men should be contributing noticeable less to human DNA?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:17 PM
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experts also speculate polygyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:16 PM
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It only makes sense if you respect women as people with feelings. Otherwise, sure - you're entitled to do with your objects whatever you want to do. But if she's a person with messy person feelings, being selective about anything makes sense just as a natural rule of being human. Now, if you're curious about why, opposed to dismissing women's feelings and perspectives as inconvenient things that don't make sense, there could be a few things. The connection with each guy is different. Loving your…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:45 PM
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Yeah, I'm trying to define terms first though. My sense of logical reasoning is grounded in understanding terms / words first and then using them in context. It was unclear what virtual vs real mean to you. What is virtual worth vs. real worth, outside of this example for a sec - just in general. How would you define those terms?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:12 PM
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How do you distinguish between "virtual" and "real" worth?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:07 PM
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Women have always been selective. Scientists have literally found evidence that more women have reproduced throughout human history than men. That means, while some modern norms might be influential to outcomes, there's a history much further back that reflects a period or periods of time where a large percentage of men didn't have access to reproduction, whereas women did.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:04 PM
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Identifying misogyny doesn’t = hating men. So your real question is why do women hate their own subjugation and oppression. These aren’t the same questions. Generally, women in the West have more rights to live independently of romantic relationships with men and more rights to speak out against their subjugation. They’re also less likely to live in extreme poverty and at the mercy of men to help them survive. You will find that people tend to be more vocal against things that are unfair to them…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:59 PM
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I agree - why would you spend time arguing with liberal to leftist women to the point that it’s causing you major distress? Get in where you fit in and find someone with your values. I fully support conservative men only dating conservative women. I thought this was the goal actually until I actually started putting myself out there. So many men will look past your stated politics and still try to date you even if they have an issue with your views. Go elsewhere! We can have blends of traditiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 11:48 PM
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So find someone compatible. That's what the rest of us have to do. Most women won't want this, but you don't need to marry most women - you need to marry one. So either you're actively dating and feeling a bit burned out by having a minority preference - understandable but it's not the end of the world - or you're not even trying and using this as an excuse not to try because of some deeper fear/wound. My husband's mother was the breadwinner and her husband cooked all kinds of shit from scratch,…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 06:32 PM
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Where is this credible data? Are you talking specifically about Gen Z and not the overall population? Context is important. However, I will say that historically, research has shown that twice the amount of women have reproduced compared to the amount of men in human history. This imbalance is largely due to polygyny (some men fathering many children, many men none). So if something is happening, it may just be women being selective because of the nature of female reproduction - pregnancy is lif…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 06:17 PM
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- Most Feminists don't deny actual differences substantiated by credible science. That's not your anecdotal observations though, not to say that you couldn't be noticing something substantiated by credible evidence. - Men and women aren't monolithic categories. Some men have strengths that you don't have and vice versa. It's more accurate to say that people in general bring different qualities beyond lines of sex or gender and that we all contribute to society. People are independent as defined …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 05:56 PM
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Men who struggle with dating struggle with the acknowledgement that plenty of men are doing just fine. The mirror hits too close to home to consider that not all men have been accused of sexual harassment and not all men have an astronomically hard time speaking to and courting women. However, I would say that it probably goes both ways a little, considering your post. There are also men still pursuing women. I haven't noticed that stopping personally. Now, I am older - in my mid-30s - so maybe …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 06:59 PM
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Literally lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 05:31 PM
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This sounds like a self control and respect problem and perhaps a bitterness over not being chosen because the absolute nature of your statement makes no logical sense, given the presence of hookup culture and relationships with sex overall. If women hated all the men who were ever attracted to them, women wouldn’t be having sex at all outside of sex work. Since we know the implied conclusion isn’t true, the implication that we hate men who find us attractive or give attention has to be false at…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 05:26 PM
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“The claim isn't that your options run out, it's that the pool now becomes a mess of guys you don't find attractive. This is why women often complain about dudes wasting their years when they take too long to propose.” Well, that’s also not true. Both are false in my experience lol Young relationships are absolute trash for many women, maybe most. I avoided relationships in college for this reason. “Yeahhh I’m definitely not missing anything.” And I was right! 😂 I suppose it depends on what you …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 10:52 AM
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Yeah, but ignore that part.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 07:04 AM
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Oh, I know. I learned that before I was a woman. In middle and high school, I saw older and younger men ogle my mother in her 40s on the regular (and 50s and still now 60s too really, but even more back then). Guys in school would ask if they could hit on my mother and "damn she's hot" etc. I learned about this back when I realllly could have just not known that and been okay. 🥲
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 09:20 PM
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I'm surprised a red pill man is honest enough to admit the first part. Most men here think at 35-40, all our options dry up lmao Props to owning reality, I have to give credit where it's due. On your last point though - It depends on how you look at it. In my experience, and I think it's true for many women who develop/mature in a healthy way, you look back and realize the attractions you had weren't healthy when you were young and if you actually acted on them, like many of my friends, you regr…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 08:58 PM
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(Cont.) You've even unknowingly included a common emotional experience in women when you mention emotionally distant or unavailable men. That's often because of low self esteem, unhealthy or insecure attachment styles, feelings of inadequacy or subconscious feelings of not being worthy of healthier kinds of love. It can also be learned and socialized, but is also deeply emotional. I gather you mainly don't like the draw toward financial security and successful men. This is one aspect of attracti…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 08:45 PM
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This seems like a lot of delusion, hyperbole, and distortion, but one point I will extract is that you're conflating emotion and attraction with what YOU think are the right reasons to experience emotion and attraction. Just because you are biased toward emotions and aspects of attraction that are most stereotypically and/or naturally emphasized by men doesn't mean that there aren't emotional experiences happening on the other side of the aisle or that attraction can't come from a variety of oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 08:44 PM
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There is and should be backlash to the idea that having kids after 35 is bad, but no one nowhere has said that there are no drawbacks lol This is a fake story that never happened. But saying “there’s something wrong with it” is different from “there are cons to this too to be aware of” As someone who is 35 and family planning, that maturity and more money is huugggeeee. Women are often stressed and unhappy because of not having enough money, working hard inside and outside the home, etc. I’m so …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 08:39 PM
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(pt 2.) - Also, the claim that circumcision removes ~3/4 of sexual sensitivity is not supported by any strong scientific consensus. These are unsubstantiated claims based on anatomy difference and not actually any clinical studies on sexual pleasure. A quick googling session highlights the issues with this claim in the major studies cited on this topic. In Sorrells et al., 2007 - found that areas with the most fine-touch sensitivity are removed in circumcision, but critics note that this is not …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 02:02 PM
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There's so much that just is factually incorrect and you're demonstrating poor logical reasoning as well in this arguments. Let's go one by one. Unwanted pregnancy does not scar your body for life. Amputating health body parts from another person is unethical, or does “my body, my choice” only apply to females? Circumcision removes ~3/4 of sexual sensitivity. The most sexual “pleasure” a circumcised man will ever feel is 5-10 seconds of a moderately pleasurable sensation accompanying ejaculation…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 02:00 PM
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Bacause my unfair thing exists now and affects me - For American men, this isn't the case. History still affects your current reality, as your society didn't poof into thin air this morning. And other people's current unfair realities are also connected to history. Again, if you don't care about our unfair things, why should we care about your unfair things? And again, I already explained in my original answer the further complications from this. Many of the American men who make troll posts her…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 02:49 PM
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Also, history has always mattered for all of those movements. No idea what you're talking about. You sound like you're just saying random things.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 02:29 PM
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Except I did answer you lol If you have reading comprehension challenges, again - that's not my problem. I also already addressed the problem of registering everyone in my original answer and challenged the OP to answer for the logistic issues that could arise. Again, your comprehension challenges are your own responsibility to resolve, friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 02:20 PM
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And again, history matters to basically everything. If you don't understand that, then that's a you problem. It's not my job to make you care about why things happen or to understand how to fix them. Either choose to be in the work or don't? I'm speaking about the USA because that's my Western context that I'm most familiar with. While I can have solidarity with other countries, it's also the only reality that I could actually have any small say in. I won't be voting in any other country's elect…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 01:14 PM
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For his logic to stand, it has to matter. Otherwise, then I have to probe you on why unfairness in one situation matters if we have ongoing issues that stem from other unfair things. Why would your unfair thing matter to me if my unfair realities don't matter to you? Also, the draft is a bigger question of hegemony and what your vision for the USA is. It also extends beyond this question into other issues on what is power, imperialism, and geopolitical alignment. Having to sign up for the draft …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 01:00 PM
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It fucked up my numbers 😭🥲
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 11:33 AM
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No one I’ve ever met is offended by men saying the word clitoris. Where are you from exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 11:23 AM
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Unwanted pregnancy is far more physically and mentally traumatic and life threatening than a circumcision will ever be. You clearly barely understand science, let alone human beings. Not only that, but most children don’t have positive outcomes from being put in the foster system, which is where they will end up. So not only is far more physically and emotionally traumatic, but there’s additional weight on what happens to the child. Even the decision to have an abortion is a heavy one for many w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 11:22 AM
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(Contd) -Playful energy. I’m very serious about many things, but I needed someone who can float in and out of playfulness easily, as that’s how I am. Not just playing games together, which we have enjoyed (more his thing than mine, but I’m very open minded about activities and have had fun with it), but also just messing around with one another. He tickles me too much sometimes, but we also just joke around with one another, play fight, have pet names for one another, and we kind of baby-talk on…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 12:11 PM
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When I finally decided to go husband hunting (lol), these were my requirements: Respect for me, my views, my opinions, my feelings, and especially my boundaries - full stop. I had a very strict filter and did cut off men who spoke to me in the wrong tone or spoke too aggressively or dismissively for my taste. Men who asked inappropriate things way too early or who seemed to want to try to push past my boundaries got the axe immediately Financial stability and some degree of success and ambition.…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 12:10 PM
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This is an idiotic take. Don’t listen to idiots. Whether or not she respects you will be decided outside of the bedroom for the most part. No woman ever suddenly thought the man she desires is less respectable because he actually cares about her pleasure. The opposite is far more common.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 11:28 PM
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Posts like this are so hard to engage with. On the one hand, you’re incredibly incorrect and completely way out of left field in the way you’re missing rather obvious reasons SOME women would have issues with these things. You’re also spreading misogynist ideas about “women’s greatest offering.” And on the other hand, it’s so clear that men like you are broken psychologically. I have no doubt that you’re either very inexperienced and hurt from an experience with women, thus lashing out, or compl…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 11:08 PM
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I met my husband on Tinder lol The first date went really well - he had some of my green flags at the ready and dodged the early red flag screening, and we had a great connection with good chemistry right off the bat. He thought I didn’t like him because I “left early,” but I just had plans with a friend after our date. Went on about him to the friend that night. The rest is history!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 01:43 AM
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Not necessarily - she could also have any number of issues with boundaries, attachment style, less common preferences (wanting to be alone more often, asexual, etc.), and poor selection and trait prioritization abilities that seem to be the hinderance for most people in finding what they want. There's a chance that she just doesn't have the honey to draw the bees out, but it's wild to pretend that there aren't dozens of other reasons a therapist could clock here. Your comment assumes that people…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 12:01 AM
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I think that's valid and a perspective many women share. One of the executives at my old job was such a bubbly, fun, colorful lady in her 50s - cute and stylish in a quirky way too - and when the topic came up, she would say that she's both "child-free and partner-free." Idk why that killed me. It's the way for many women, even some younger women. One of my friends swore off relationships when we turned 30. I have another friend who is very early 30s and she has as well and she feels safer becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 11:47 PM
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Hmmm Idk if the chase is as much the issue as the filtering and standards are.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 06:33 AM
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I honestly think that Western women have too many options for this to be likely, tbh. Maybe if she's extremely poor and literally needs him to survive or she's pressured by family members into a specific union. However, the more educated women become, the more financially stable they can be without men, which increases time/options to find a suitable match. And even without that - I have family members who are low-income, but can access government resources in the West for help. The women I know…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 06:47 AM
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Don't know how often this actually happens, as you've described it, in real life. I've never met any other married women who married someone they weren't attracted to at all. Did they choose someone not at the very top of their sexual fantasy ideals from romance novels, celebrity posters, and porn, in exchange for other qualities and traits that mattered more to them? Yes, as do many men. But not attracted at all? I think that may be less common or even rare. Sex in marriage is complicated, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 08:00 PM
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Just a side note - the Same is true for older women actually. That's one of the many things men who believe in the wall get wrong. They look at how more older men are in relationships vs. older women but gloss over the other data and explanations on why. Older women may still want sex, but lose interest in dating compared to men. Women tend to have stronger social bonds and communities, and women who have been married are especially likely to not want to go through it again past a certain age - …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 07:48 PM
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I don't really agree completely with this, as there's no explanation about the totality of his relationships with women. I don't have any data to quantify how typical this would be at the more extreme end. I would agree that this is true for many men who complain about friendzones and possibly most who complain about it excessively, as it keeps happening to them in most or all of their relationships with women. I would counter this claim with : men who *regularly* complain about being friendzone…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 08:46 PM
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lol thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 08:13 PM
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The question is difficult because I don't think this exact man is likely to exist. In theory, yes, but it would be rare for a man to be deeply feminist and also call women "fatties" lolol He's also unlikely to care about body count in general as a main principle of the whole "equality" thing unless he's extremely chaste himself and even then - feminist men generally are sensitive about shaming sexuality and this seems almost directly or indirectly linked to a negative perception of people who em…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 02:26 PM
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(Cont.) You can't logically argue that any action isn't objectively offensive, as you are trying to do here, because of the following: We have found that "to offend" someone is decidedly defined in the English language as a non-objective reality to begin with, and completely subject to the subjective reality of feelings, and You aren't any kind of "god" and can't control how other people feel or specifically, how they will react to specific actions or requests. The feelings happen regardless. No…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 02:07 PM
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Incorrect. You don't have to like it, but you don't really have any position of authority to tell people how to feel or to determine what feelings are allegedly objectively offensive. What is or isn't offensive isn't an objective standard that can be determined for everyone. Let's start with the definition of words and terminologies. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/offend The most relevant definitions here would be: 2a: to cause difficulty, discomfort, or injury - took off his shoe an…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 02:06 PM
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Oh no, the numbers and spacing got messed up. I’m sorry about that 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 11:15 PM
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Would you date a man who voted for Donald Trump? No. Our values and sense of morality are incompatible and compatibility on values and beliefs is paramount for me. Would you date a man who voted for Kamala Harris? Yes, but if he’s a centrist democrat or standard liberal, we’ll probably clash too. If he’s a leftist or progressive who reluctantly voted for her but doesn’t actually support her like that, yes. Would you date a man who believes that reincarnation is real? Probably not, but possibly. …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 11:15 PM
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Would you date a man who is 5 ft 5? Probably not. Just based on how I tend to be attracted and that it’s similar height to me, I’d probably lack some degree of sexual attraction. I feel for the short kings and wouldn’t ever ridicule anyone for being with a short guy. A lot of this is conditioned, some natural. Plenty of great short guys, but I also know I tend to be attracted strongly to taller men. Having said that, I have been super attracted to short men. When I was in college, I knew some, i…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 11:14 PM
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If I were still single: Would you date a man who uses marijuana at least once a month? - Maybe but not too much. Would you date a man who considers himself to be a devout christian? No, I’m an atheist and a leftist and I was dating to marry with possible kid in mind. Side from the fact that we probably would have too much conflict and wouldn’t be compatible on such a core belief, I definitely would not be okay with a partner indoctrinating my future child into Christianity. Not on my watch, so w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 11:14 PM
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Family : friends vetting the man is actually very traditional. Historically, marriages were often transactions based largely on family prospecting and knowledge of the potential husband and wife. Varies by culture, but was common. So you could easily argue that this is a very traditional practice, as well as modern. Marrying someone solely based on love, not familiar to your community in any way and not vetted is arguably more modern than the alternative. It’s also smart. I didn’t do this, but I…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 04:27 PM
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True, but gay men do get it on at a whole different level lolol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 12:42 PM
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That's interesting. I do think people may project past relationship frustrations and defensiveness onto the general audience in online dating. I didn't do that, but it's not uncommon, even for men. It's not great marketing or mindset and should generally be changed to something more appealing like, "looking for my person so we can take our good lives and make them even better!" (I enjoyed dating and editing my profiles lol I am also just a happy person in general) I do think most people are tryi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 12:38 PM
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Oh, I was wondering if this was in reference to that other guy saying feminism is inherently conservative. I'll listen and I am reading what's written here, and so far I definitely disagree with it and I'm so glad my husband isn't like that because I know I specifically couldnt be in a relationship like that. But that's just me and also, not for nothing, I am most definitely not the demographic of a woman that red pillers are chasing after. I have had conservative men approach me a lot, but that…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 12:26 PM
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Are you on apps where you can filter traits or see those traits on profiles? Unless you're only on tinder or swiping on tons of profiles with no information on them, I find it hard to believe women aren't signaling parts of who they are in different ways. The dating process is meant to move beyond those signals to find out if they match what you're looking for. That's what everyone has to do - read profile, go on dates and have conversations and ask questions to figure out if this person is who …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 12:07 PM
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Being emotionally vulnerable doesn't always equal fear though. How is it that you have equated all of a man's emotional experiences to being scared by a predator? Personally, being afraid of being viewed as weak is also a weakness to me and at this level it can sometimes show a lack of self-respect and self-worth. My husband was willing to lose me, if I didn't show that I could hold space for his own emotional vulnerability. He wasnt afraid of me walking away over that - if it happened, so what?…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 11:55 AM
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Willing to listen to what exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 11:31 AM
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"Feminism is conservative by nature" is a pretty wild and incorrect statement. But please explain your perspective. I'm willing to listen to your explanation and take a look at your credible evidence. Care to share? Personally, I have a political science degree, have worked in nonprofits my entire career, and I also have been active in actual leftist political organizing for over a decade now. I'm pretty confident in my knowledge of feminism's relationship with and orientation within leftist pol…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 09:02 PM
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My husband is a nice guy and a good guy (more important) and I've had his dick all in my mouth and everywhere else in ways that my girl friends definitely aren't. I have friends who are good guys as well and very nice and they also have relationships, hook ups, etc. I think well-adjusted, mature men who don't have sexist issues with women figure out the right balance of confidence and respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 08:19 PM
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That's the part that's really bizarre about these people. They don't actually even care about men. So much of their rhetoric directly harms men's mental health and some of it is straight up delusion that will keep many men from actually reaching their goals. We "radicals" and feminists care more about men than they do half the time. It's weird tbh. Unfortunately, that's what they've chosen though. I'm glad many men know this isn't the way. I value my husband's vulnerability. That kind of depth i…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 08:13 PM
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Exactly. My husband has slept with far more people than I have actually lol And he is also a kind, loving, successful man and a great husband. Happens literally everyday. Most women I know who weren’t nuns until marriage also have husbands who also weren’t celibate beforehand. It’s lovely.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 06:31 PM
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Yeah, it's pretty dumb. My husband makes significantly more than I do and I'm still working. I may or may not retire when he does (early), but I don't think I'd stop working. I like building my career and take pride in it. It's also something to fall back on if I ever need it, god forbid we get divorced. Also, I'm legally entitled to half of everything - investments, assets, etc. Any property we buy is in both our names, etc. To put yourself in such a dependent position when you're not legally p…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 05:26 PM
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Their ideology, if you can call it that, is fundamentally logically inconsistent. That's why it doesn't make sense. It's most appealing to gold diggers, especially the way some of them advocate men having half-open relationships to sleep around and wanting less educated women and thinking career women are masculine. That cancels out most nerdy "good girl" types who are very focused on education for the purpose of a career and would find their ideas ridiculous. These women are also the most likel…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 03:53 PM
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I ultimately met hubby online, but right before COVID, I went to a few singles events and speed dating events and never noticed a lack of men. This was around age 29/30. I also live in a big city where both men and women wait longer to get married, so maybe it's location. Idk what it's like right now though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 08:15 PM
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I think there's a lot of truth to this, but obviously will depend on the man and the woman. I know men on the spectrum who have casual sex and serious relationships. My husband had a late-in-life diagnosis on the spectrum, and he explains that he spent a lot of time growing up working on social skills, reading people, and learning how to get the results he wanted from social interactions - self-reflection and a willingness to adjust, basically. I don't doubt it was extremely hard, and he says he…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 03:19 PM
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I like this response, as it indicates different forms of femininity for different people and to embody what feels authentic for you. I would say that some people need help tapping into feminine energy, but I do think that should be filtered through a process of feeling what feels most authentic, like a door that opens comfortably vs one you have to force open. We all have masculine and feminine traits and men will tend towards different types of masculinity as well. My father and my husband both…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 10:39 AM
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Facts. They're also logically inconsistent and resistant to facts. Their podcasts also seem counter-productive too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 10:19 AM
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What's "eat hot chip and lie" ? Genuinely curious, taking notes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 04:53 AM
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It's not. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 10:06 PM
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I think, from our perspective, we would say we don't believe in things that have no compelling evidence to amount to reality. "Look at the conversation of men and suicide where middle aged white men have the highest rates of killing themselves. The typical response from feminists and those on the left is, 'they just can't handle that they are losing their privilege'. It is a complete lack of empathy or comprehension on any level because men don't meet their definition of what oppressed groups ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 10:02 PM
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That's basically half the posts here. Why aren't they banned here? Should I tap the mods?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 09:50 PM
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I mean, I can't control what you think a trump card is or how some random person uses any given fact or bit of information. Anything can be a trump card if you're just talking about minimizing things you don't want to discuss or confront. I could easily argue that this entire conversation about misandry is a trump card to avoid confronting sexism and misogyny. I would say modern systemic injustice is institutional and structural, yes, and that shapes and permeate throughout social and cultural r…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 08:54 PM
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You're mentioning bad things that happen. Bad things can happen without being systemic. Systems can negatively impact men without there being any evidence that an entire society economically, politically, and socially disadvantages them on the plane of sex/gender identity, shaping their realities across the board. Systemic disadvantage isn't isolated to specific outcomes and scenario - it's clear and consistently evidenced across the system. To take it a step further, men can suffer from the sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 07:27 PM
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My Friday wasn't complete without a redpill revenge fantasy that doesn't match reality. Thank you, hun. It's better this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 05:38 PM
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Yeah, I'm not familiar with the online spaces you're talking about. Most of my political experiences are in real life, as I engage in political organizing, studied political science, work in a very left leaning field, etc. I'm also not really sure that you know what radical means or if these people are claiming to be radicals, if they know what it means, or if they are tapped in politically / educated. I empathize with most expressions of female suffering and frustration, but there's a differenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 05:29 PM
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Interesting. I organize with socialist feminists (aside from being one myself), many of whom also agree with or identify as radical feminists as well, and we are all radicals (leftists) by definition, and we don't feel that way. It's kind of logically inconsistent with our political views overall actually, so I find it puzzling that you have that impression. Socialist feminists, who are radicals but that isn't exactly the same thing as radical feminists, emphasize class oppression and literally …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 04:35 PM
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I'm kind of both a radical feminist and a socialist feminist (and a feminist who is also a radical lol). What is it that we're doing that looks like what OP is doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 04:13 PM
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(Pt. 2) "And what happens if there is a fight or a conflict in a relationship? If there is any conflict in a relationship, most of the time it's the man who has to apologize at the end. Why? Because for men the choice is to give in or be alone, while a woman can just find another man that is willing to give in. If there is a fight, who has to sleep on the couch? The man. If there is a divorce, who is going to lose his house and kids? The man." First, how do you know this? You've basically admitt…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 01:50 PM
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"Now let's talk about the double standards." - Yeah, let's not. You're clearly uneducated about domestic violence. Women are more likely to experience threatening physical domestic violence and more likely to be murdered by their abusers, including if they leave. We're not going to ignore biological and social realities because they don't fit your narrative. I think men should date and filter for respectful and healthy connections where women aren't being mean about their appearance (if that's w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 01:50 PM
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First, I'm curious - do you think it's good for women to have to rely on men for survival, in order to create the leverage men need to have upper hand in relationships? Is that your conclusion? I actually don't disagree with you that women have a social and possibly natural advantage in attracting sexual and relationship interest. It's why I know "the wall" is a revenge myth and I think it's part of what I think possibly fueled the origins of misogyny, coupled with the desire to dominate and hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 01:50 PM
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Yet you provided no analysis of your own to counter anything. Interesting. Sounds like you just don't like the information that doesn't favor Trump's policies. That's worth thinking about, in terms of your own psychology. This is what historians and economists are saying across the board, including right-leaning economists. The media is just reporting what they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 02:25 PM
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So is that an admission that you don’t know anything about economics and don’t understand the critique of Trump’s insane plans?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 05:02 AM
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You're proving the point. You have no actual analysis or arguments because you barely understand the topic. Even right-leaning economists have called his ideas mathematically impossible. lol @ "overthinking the economy"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 02:49 AM
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No, it's not only that - you can tell by conversations with these people. When they're faced with challenges to their poor logic, which stems from not understanding basic economics, they resort to saying ridiculous things like, "at the end of the day, economists are just spouting their opinions." Also, Republicans were less formally educated overall, so this also makes sense unfortunately. It's less of a want and more of a guarantee that we will have some kind of negative outcome from the coming…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 02:35 AM
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My husband relies on me for emotional support sometimes and I've never found that to be a turn off. That's literally the point lolol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 05:08 AM
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Bingo - I mostly agree, in the sense that I think their behavior is targeted toward or most effective with a certain subset of women. I've thought this since I encountered the manosphere. I remember one of the guests on Fresh and Fit, NotSoErudite, mentioned that she thinks thinks their approach to relationships and dating would attract a lot of "fatherless behavior" - women without positive relationships with father figures who look at men as reduced symbols or functions of what they never full…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 10:29 PM
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Assuming someone is struggling with critical thinking based on this conversation on my end is an interesting conclusion. Let's revisit: - I made a simple statement based on his economic policies (that things would get worse) and asked if you were wealthy. - You ignored the question and said I'm uninformed, based on literally nothing, which is very incorrect. You also linked an article about wealthy billionaires and election support / funding. - I state that you're incorrect about me being uninfo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 09:55 PM
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Idk if this is really true. I’d guess your best odds would be to do both. In real life, you’re still competing and being sized up as well. I actually think it’s possible that online dating might help these guys, as they’re less likely to be confident enough to approach in person, may not have immediate charisma or charm, and may not be able to read the room socially. It kind of depends on your specific gifts. In my experience, the guys who showed interest in person were actually more conventiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 11:48 AM
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You’re incorrect and probably just cherry picking information you like. So many economists and analysts think his ideas are bad for the people and they have a poor track record as it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 11:29 AM
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Trump is not a leftist lol Eliminating income tax is absolutely insane and would cost people more. That's about half the federal revenue - tariffs only make up 2%. That's definitely a drastically different country, if he's even talking about individual income tax and not just corporate taxes (wouldn't be surprised if it's just the latter tbh). Also, this is a pretty great way to say you don't care about people imo. This is the party that doesn't care about regulatory bodies and government resour…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 02:33 AM
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Economists aren't solely basing things on their opinions - usually they're pointing to history and patterns. You also shouldn't use false dichotomies to protect your ego or ideologies. The stock market exploding isn't out of step with what economists predicted either, if you're paying attention. A good outcome can come alongside an objectively bad outcomes as well. That's kind of the whole problem with tariffs, as evidenced by Trump's first presidency. But I can agree with you - let's look at wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 02:14 AM
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The last part is fair - I should have said "less formally educated" instead of "formally uneducated." Yeah, I was just commenting on income patterns and education levels. Probably not "huge," but still. As far as the single guys, I work in the direct services nonprofit sector and have actually encountered several men (students in our program) who like Trump's messaging. Small sample size, obviously, but I also live in NYC. We have conservative pockets here too, of course...but these are unmarrie…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 12:19 AM
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You just laughed at how Trump's actions caused retaliation from China that fucked the economy overall and the agricultural sector specifically. I think you can keep the mask off and stop pretending to care about Americans. Just stay the course, dear. You're skirting around facts and can't answer the questions I asked you even though I answered the one you asked me. Thank you for confirming that you literally know shit about economics and tariffs. You can exit stage left now.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 12:04 AM
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As a follow up to my comment and your thinly veiled ignorance on this topic, I have a question for you. Riddle me this - if you don't care about further degradation of the agricultural sector as a whole and support a strategy that could weaken our trade relationships overall, what's your suggested plan to make up tax revenue from a massive reduction in US exports and likely shifting relationships on the global stage overall? How do you help the businesses across the agricultural sector recover f…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 10:52 PM
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Well, at least you're being transparent about not caring about the impact on the American people - this was the entire point of my post lmao Randomly pointing out soybeans as if agricultural impact isn't important is oddly but accurately on brand if you support Trump's proposals And nothing you said addresses the validity of the counter-argument, which is how this would benefit China longterm or the pattern of behavior from China in retaliation to higher tariffs Your comment also misses the bigg…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 10:39 PM
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"I mean its pretty obvious that what Trump wanst to do is gonna make things worse at first until economy adapts. There is no way to turn the situation around without someone paying for it. It is what it is. Still better than continuing what is teh status quo." Honestly, respect for this comment. Many of his supports seem to be in denial about this and try to argue every way that evidence shows shit will hit the fan, which is why I asked this question. I applaud you for actually being honest that…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 09:07 PM
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Gonna suck much harder if he implements his policies. Are you wealthy?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 09:05 PM
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So in other words, this is your opinion and you don't have credible data to prove it. Kind of ironic. If you have data that clearly shows this, share it. You still haven't and I'm still waiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 09:04 PM
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Incorrect. Also, this is just a way to avoid facing reality lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 09:03 PM
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Incorrect, I shared data. Continue to ignore information and history. This is fairly common.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 09:02 PM
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You have to actually read and do research. If all you do is respond saying people don't understand things without providing your own analysis, you're showing that you don't actually understand much. China benefits from longterm geopolitical realignment and disinvestment from US trade. They want to decrease the strength of the dollar and increase their own positioning as the world's largest economy and most valued trade partner most likely. When Trump tried tariffs the first time, he fucked the a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 09:00 PM
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Exit poll data confirms what we already knew - more people without a bachelor's degree were Republicans in this election, as well as more people without an advanced degree. Republicans were more likely to be formally uneducated voters - those who never went to college and those who attended college but didn't finish. He did receive more votes from people who have secured associate's degrees though. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls The wealthiest voters making over $100K…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 08:50 PM
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I disagree. It's the understanding of society's misogynist attitudes and perspectives on women that would inform anyone paying attention that these two relationships could easily have different patterns / likelihoods. Claiming to understand misogyny and/or sexism implies an understanding of how men and women are treated differently, viewed differently, and may have different outcomes for the same actions. I don't advocate strongly for either side of this coin, as age gaps have horrible divorce r…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 08:34 PM
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And? Gas is literally only one metric. If gas is cheap, but income goes down, more American jobs are lost than necessary, and the average American household has to pay thousands more each year, is that a good thing for the average American man and how does that impact dating and building families?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 02:55 PM
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All these bitter posts about what a group of women are choosing to do with their own bodies. My understanding is that 4B (which began in South Korea, I believe) is about protecting themselves as women and making a statement. While the hope might be some influence on society, it seems like a modern separatist movement about self-preservation.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 01:51 PM
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Hey, I've heard American women say the same about American men when I lived abroad in Europe. If you look at the data, the numbers on American-born citizens who are married to people from other countries is almost equal, it's like 1-2% more for men. I'm American, married to an American, and I think anyone who feels this way probably shouldn't date American women at all. I support you in finding relationships that work for you - relationships in which you're not at risk of being toxic because of …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 01:45 PM
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Why are you concerned with their sex lives and how they experience human touch or intimacy? Also, many women don't find dating or relationships and sex with men to be very pleasurable. The women I know who have become voluntarily celibate generally haven't had the best time with men, especially when they consider sexism and a lack of alignment with their values. One of my closest friends who is like this doesn't believe she could find a man who is safe and aligned enough for a healthy union and …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 05:48 PM
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We have credible and consistent evidence on violence. We don't have any credible, objective evidence that women are less likely to apologize - quite the contrary. So if your subjective experiences aren't aligning with the pattern of objective evidence, there's a strong possibility that there is no pattern along the plane that you're seeking. Doesn't mean you never have the experience, but there's a difference between "some men are very drawn to women who don't apologize" and "women generally don…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 05:40 PM
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You do realize you’re talking to a woman, right? We do apologize to our significant others. Some of us don’t, and it seems like you are drawn to those women. You should be taking some accountability for who you choose as partners. Plenty of men don’t apologize in relationships, on top of a slew of other toxic traits. Guess who doesn’t behave that way for the vast majority of the time (no one is perfect)? My husband. Because I chose well and did the work it takes to look for qualities that matter…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 04:03 PM
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My friends would strongly disagree with the idea that I don’t date strategically but okay lol It’s not just about looks, nor should it be. My point is your framing is bitter/emotional and men do the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 04:00 PM
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I don’t see how that changes the statement dear. Are you lost?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 03:25 PM
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Well, yes, unless something else were to have happened if he hadn’t been elected, but that’s not the world we live in now. So literally, if his policies add expenses to the American household and jobs market on top of what’s going on now, unless American people are getting equivalent relief elsewhere, it would be worse by definition. That’s what happened last time. It’s not just talk, he literally did this last term and wants to do it bigger and “better” this time. Not just leverage lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 03:24 PM
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Already did, you’ve ignored it. Are you going to answer the question?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 03:20 PM
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"Some guys have the misconception that women are going after just looks or hot guys. Women are very picky on looks if that’s all you got to potentially offer. When women date they are looking for winners that will benefit her life. Most single women could end the game immediately with a good guy that will date her, instead dating women have the compulsive desire to see men as lotto tickets. Dating women are far less interested in connection or common interests, they see dating as what can this m…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 02:47 PM
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It appears some of you need a giant therapy session to discuss why this movement upsets you so much. Do you feel entitled to women's bodies? I support women in 4B completely. Their claims make sense where I have encountered them (not often) and I don't think women owe their bodies to men or society, so if they choose celibacy because they don't feel safe or valued - seems like a justified course of action to me. I don't see any downsides here.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 01:37 PM
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Men just literally did get away with an entire campaign sweep across the country based on generalizations and fear-mongering though. lolol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 01:28 PM
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There's no way this is true. lolol Do you know exactly 3 bisexual men or something? It's so extremely common for bisexual men to prefer women for relationships and men for sex. Edit : I just saw that you're not American. I guess this could be the way this is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 01:25 PM
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Lol Women likely apologize more than men on average because of gender conditioning and social norms, but this was cute. I think bisexuality is good for you, so you can avoid women if you're prone to really oversimplified generalizations about women. Gay love is beautiful - stay the course, babe. I'm also bi and would support that for you and anyone else. I do think people of the same gender and/or sex might understand one another better and face fewer hurdles in communication possibly, so I woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 01:22 PM
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Also what credible data do you have to prove that employment among men has decreased overall directly because of affirmative action? Interested to read this. I have seen data where employment rates for men actually drop when affirmative action is dialed back because non-white men benefit from affirmative action, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 01:18 PM
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Your counter-argument is just "you don't understand" when presented with challenges to your logic. Got it. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 01:10 PM
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I’ve already provided links that include data. If you can’t read or click links, just say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 12:44 PM
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Your opinion is based on no data. I’ve already shared significantly more data than you have in this conversation lolol I’m still waiting for this data that shows that affirmative action has more negative impact that economic policies like tariff wars, etc. where’s the data that shows affirmative action has cost jobs and increased costs to the American consumer the way tariffs have and are expected to with Trumps suggested increases?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 12:42 PM
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Okay. Are you wealthy or just delusional and think tariffs impose consequences on people?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 12:39 PM
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Interesting how this whole response conveniently skirts around the point of my post, which is cost to the American consumer and American jobs. Seems like a Trump fan for sure lol Also, if you think China couldn’t benefit long term from this or think Trump only wants tariffs on Chinese goods or that this won’t affect many other countries, you’re not really paying attention. And I already know Biden’s response to Trump’s tariffs. Do you have an actual answer to the question/topic in my post?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 12:38 PM
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Sounds like you're just in denial about history and research at that point. Pure meritocracy is obviously an illusion to anyone with a half-baked understanding of American history, economics, sociology, etc. But I'll bite. "Basically, to be woke is to place too much emphasis and stereotype individuals as a collective based on immutable characteristics like race, skin color, etc instead of treating individuals by the content of their character." Can you explain where the line of "too much emphasi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 08:18 AM
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It's still a tragedy we didn't elect that man, imo. *Sigh* https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5140910/user-clip-bernie-sanders-republicans-seperate-people-groups-divide
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 07:21 AM
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Yup.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 07:17 AM
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Policies suggested by the actual left would benefit average men by default, if we're talking economics. Unfortunately, I think sexism and racism are more appealing. However, I would agree that the Democrats failed the people, absolutely. I don't think women want anything from men as an entire group, but the ability to provide and/or match her success is generally a common filtering strategy, if we're looking for something related to economics and financial outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 07:17 AM
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(Pt. 3) This Forbes article reiterates that WSJ video above: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2024/11/08/trump-tariffs-impact-on-american-jobs/ "The impact of tariffs on employment is a double-edged sword, as policies intended to protect certain industries may inadvertently harm others, resulting in a ripple effect across the U.S. economy. While tariffs can safeguard employment in industries facing direct competition from imports, they can simultaneously lead to job losses in sectors depen…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 07:11 AM
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(Pt. 2) "There's a chance that we will crackdown on affirmative action at best, and at worst what would be a better alternative?" What would be a better alternative to his economic plan or affirmative action? His economic plan doesn't really have that much to do with affirmative action. I have to ask again - do you actually think affirmative action will hurt men more than the economic impacts of his proposed policies? If so, can you detail how and why you think this, pointing to evidence compari…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 07:11 AM
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(Pt. 1) "Ok let see who employ the economists: 'The government is the largest employer of economists, according to BLS, accounting for a sum total of 44% of employed economists in 2022.'" - So is your logic based on a distrust on *anything and everything* the government says? Why are you a fan of Trump then, who has been employed by the government and literally just campaigned to work in the government again, alongside a variety of republicans who also work in the government? & Can you point to …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 07:09 AM
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This isn’t really an issue outside of a minority of men really. But you’re free to do as you please, ofc. My comment was about women getting preggo in 40s so be careful. Idk what all this has to do with that. Most of the women I was referring to are married in the first place also. Weird reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 07:22 PM
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Thanks! I hope things aren’t too bad where you are, but I know that it’s possible that it is already bad. Yeah I think as long as they respect states rights still, we’ll be fine. Not that NY is completely blue or progressive (our mayor in NYC sucks ass and is an embarrassment as a black mayor imo), but we did just pass a proposal that codified abortion rights into our state constitution https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/newyork/news/new-york-proposition-1-equal-rights-act/ https://www.nytimes.com/2024…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 04:03 AM
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Women can also get pregnant in their 40s too btw. Happened multiple times in my family. Be careful out there lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 12:37 AM
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Definitely not what I meant lololol Someone mentioned sterilization. I think more of that and less closing of the legs is also a great option. Basically permanent birth control.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 12:35 AM
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Oh, that's awesome. And unfortunately will be increasingly necessary for safety. If my husband and I ever had to move to a state without abortion rights, I would probably think about this as an option to consider, ideally after having a child for us. Too many reproductive years to be caught up some conservative bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 12:28 AM
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I’d say that works if they don’t want children, but personally that’s a whole hell of a lot of work when I can just move. However, I’m not in the demographic that would struggle to move to another state, so if it comes to that then so be it. Women have to protect themselves one way or another. However, I have heard that it’s very hard to get sterilized. I wonder if they would double down on practices and policies to prevent this too eventually. Sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 09:37 PM
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Yeah, it’s sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 09:34 PM
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Are you suddenly bothered by women choosing to protect and preserve themselves? Or was that an issue before 7 days ago too?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 07:49 PM
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I feel for women in other states. Maybe women will start leaving certain states en masse? Probably not but I would. Poor women have limited ability of course, which is the tragic part.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 07:48 PM
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That bait and switch happens with men too btw lol An old coworker of mine admitted he just loses interest in sex once in LTR. Many men see declines in their libido and/or erectile function in their 30s and beyond and that kind of smashes against women who often have an increasing one in the 30s especially and into the 40s. Many men are obese and that affects erectile function and libido and many these days have porn addictions that can make it worse. It can actually be quite frustrating for wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 07:37 PM
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Girl, quite literally. The irony is hilarious and also kind of sad. I'm pissed but our investments are up and we just dropped another couple stacks and planning to invest more next week. Idk what they think is going to happen once he imposes these crazy tariffs while spending more and benefitting corporate taxes. If most economists are correct on this, it's really going to hurt them. The Democrats are definitely partly to blame, and also this irony is crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 08:29 AM
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Life is too short for most of this! Also creates issues, as you said. The only one I somewhat disagree with is 5, as not approaching might have been my preference at the time regardless of whether or not I liked them. However, in that case, I guess we could say I didn't want to approach them - I wanted them to approach me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 08:25 AM
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You're confused. It's not that we won't call out wrongdoing - we just don't agree with sexist, misogynist ideas of "wrong" that blame women for men's behavior. I call out women in my life for doing wrong or having problematic responses all the day. What you've described isn't "wrong" to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 04:52 PM
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If anything, I would say if you do ask this question of women, make sure you're paying even closer attention to their actions. I can say anything, but if you're distracted by how I *think* I show up in relationships (or how I want you to think of me), you could find yourself in trouble. Watch, listen, learn. Also, I doubt I would have gone on a second date with a man who asks this question. He's either not intelligent enough to ask better questions or thinks I need to prove something to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 04:14 PM
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This is flawed logic. You can be intimidated and insecure within a relationship and sabotage it because of your feelings. Just because they put up a good act to start dating her - or even sought to prove something to themselves subconsciously- doesn’t mean they don’t feel intimidated, inferior, emasculated, inadequate, etc. Happens everyday. I’ve seen it, my friends have seen it, my mother has seen it, etc. It also makes the most logical sense given how men have tried to dominate and exclude wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 12:29 PM
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So that's a no to the credible data, got it. But let's play with what you've said. What little evidence you have provided doesn't logically lead to the conclusions you originally asserted about income, being mentally strong, or being treated like a "girly girl." First of all, as a side note, some of the most masculine women I've ever known in my life were advocates of conservative values. It's actually kind of comical to be around sometimes as a radical feminist. My friends and I have chuckled i…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 08:17 PM
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It's used as one, let's not be intentionally dense.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 07:39 PM
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Twitter anecdotes aren't what smart people who understand logical reasoning rely on to form objective opinions. Do have compelling data from a credible source to back up your claim that leftists tend to lose physical fights more than conservatives? I'd love to consider that
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 07:37 PM
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As a leftist, it sounds like you don't understand what politics are, what salaries are, what NYC is, and you may not even understand biology. That's unfortunate. Leftist men are not a monolith and if you spent a lot of time in leftist spaces, you would find a wide variety of men. Plenty are into fitness, and many make good money. I organize in a socialist organization and we have all types. Lawyers and software engineers, scientists, men running for and elected into political office, men working…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 07:24 PM
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Yeah, that's just a part of life. People having boundaries around how far they will go to be with someone who doesn't trust them is also a part of life. The reality is that you don't trust her, either way you spin it. Or you have deep trust issues that would permeate any relationship, which should be worked on through therapy. Do you think women should have the right to go through all his accounts daily to be sure he doesn't cheat vs respecting each other's privacy and trusting one another? Many…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:26 PM
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Here, as in this forum or Reddit in general? I feel like most posts here are arguing about gender, but maybe that's just where I tend to lean in lol I think where you may be struggling is the fine line between overdoing it / not reading the room and being socially aware, sensitive, and not only in spaces to find women. I don't doubt that this can be confusing and I can empathize to an extent. However, yes, women shouldn't have to deal with men approaching them constantly, everywhere, and making …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:14 PM
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I think he should get one if he really needs it and then they shouldn’t be together because that’s exactly what it implies 😂 Seriously why would you stay if you don’t trust that you’re the father? Just leave the relationship. You can still be a good father, just not one in a relationship with the mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 12:54 PM
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Yeah, I understand that these are your beliefs - I got that part. I guess I think all of human history and kind of the definition of community is partly based on what we can do for one another to reach common ends. So I guess I can’t really help there. It would be an accurate assessment to say I think men are parts for the whole and I view women the same as well. You can still be valuable aside from that, and I think the left is pretty clear on that as well. However, I do think part of our value…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 10:28 PM
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Thank you for sharing your feelings on this. I understand how some men could feel this way. I will say that I definitely don’t agree that we don’t need or want men. It’s simply not true socially, politically, or economically as a whole. Men are about half of the population. For most progression or forward movement to a better world for all genders, we literally do need men. Men are part of our communities, they’re literally the people we are most often raising children with, they’re still leadin…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 07:07 PM
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100%, and I’d group that in with personality and character, easily. But yes. I would never be with someone whose overall vibe or personality wasn’t acceptable for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 06:33 PM
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Is sexual attraction obnoxious? Possibly, but I think the easiest thing to say is that I’ve very much enjoyed smushing my body against men’s bodies. Very fun, 10/10 do recommend. I’m a fan of men physically in multiple ways. As far as cis men go, I thoroughly enjoy giving blow jobs. I’m bi and I have a specific appreciation for men that is different from how I enjoy and love women. Aside from that, as a feminist, I feel for the way men are conditioned to silence their emotions and their relative…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 06:05 PM
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Maybe. They're welcome to reply to this comment and discuss. I reject the notion of the wall and I don't find that specific statement controversial. Would be curious about what they find specifically controversial about what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 11:28 PM
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Yeah, no worries. I really think it's hard to say, tbh. My instinct is to say that many (not all, not even sure about most) 52 year old women receive less super random and openly sexually aggressive attention, yes. I would say that the attention is more likely to change than automatically decline for everyone - men of different age groups may suddenly be drawn to you or different demographics. Someone else mentioned more young men suddenly making passes at them for the cougar experience or just …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 05:12 PM
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Did you read the comments I'm replying to? They are specifically about not getting attention. That's also literally what "the wall" centers on. So I think you're incorrect in this comment. People who believe in the wall aren't just suggesting the attention is different or a different type, they're saying women lose options and lack attention or interest. Also different women age differently. 40 was the age mentioned and my mom at 40 was pulling a ton of attention. Whether or not it was identical…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 04:47 PM
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I also think different women are different. I grew in what I found most important as I got older. Some of my friends, family members, and associates didn’t and their love lives reflect that. Maturity and wisdom are highly correlated with age, but the quality of that growth isn’t guaranteed. And that’s honestly okay. I’m engaged, but my friend is still looking for the most perfect combination of hot, successful, passionate, loyal, intelligent, super interesting, etc. I respect the hustle and ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 07:18 AM
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Yeah, the wall definitively doesn’t exist from my observations, if it’s defined as an actual stopping point or major life-altering shift in women’s dating and/or sexual prospects anywhere before like 50-60s as a group. Are there some groups of women and/or individuals who age much faster? Sure. I think if there’s a wall, it’s also possible that some women don’t notice it. That’s the piece missing in the revenge analysis. Attention can go from level 100 to level 70 and she may never really even n…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 07:14 AM
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False. Plenty of women in their 40s and 50s get attention. My mom was still getting hit on and ogled at 40, easily. Have seen too many women the same. She didn’t really start showing noticeable signs of aging until mid-50s. She’s 60 now and she still gets attention, but isn’t wrinkly at all even though she definitely looks older than she did at 40. At 40, she didn’t look much older than she did at 30. Many women are the same, genetics and maybe even ethnicity play into this. 40 is young.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 06:38 AM
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Who’s ignoring anyone? You’re dancing to escape your incorrect argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:12 AM
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They can and do, although I don’t believe in leagues but I understand your point. I’ve seen many couples where the woman would be socially considered far more attractive than he is. It may not be common, sure, but it definitely happens and I think most people who have social lives have seen it. It’s less often that the guy is conventionally hotter, but I know women in couples like that too. I can think of at least 5-10 couples in my own normal social circles where the woman is significantly more…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 01:16 PM
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This title gave the impression that this was kind of cold and weird but a basic thing that could make sense regardless of your constitution. No one is obliged to do this and actually aren’t by law anyway. Men ignore crimes happening to women all the time. Then it became dripping in bitterness and personal issues right off the bat with “shouldn’t” and “appreciate him for it.” It’s one thing to feel like you need to protect yourself, that’s fine, but another to tell someone else not to help people…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 01:08 PM
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Somewhat strongly agree but not completely! First, millenials so far have better divorce rates that are consistent with an improving and declining rate of divorce in the USA. Yay us! I agree that many people don't give other things the weight they deserve, like common values, common belief systems, healthy conflict resolution and compromising skills, not being overly defensive or having anger issues, patience, common life goals and values in raising children, willingness to help with domestic la…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:24 PM
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Child support sucks for women in many ways actually. First, most single mothers don’t get it or don’t get enough of it. It can put her in stressful or dangerous situations to be physically engaged with him while also battling for more of his money. The emotional trauma of begging a man, who is often someone they once loved, to actually care about his child is a lot. It would be better if he were absent from her life completely and she had the money and resources/ support she needs. The solution …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:19 PM
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A lot of bitter men kind of forget that most of the systems and norms they hate were created and defended by men. It’s kind of funny because guys like this avoid challenging men on these issues but want to direct their anger toward women, because that’s who they blame for everything lolol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:08 PM
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Women are human beings, so if someone is talking to a woman "like a woman," it is addressing her as "a regular human being." The difference here is in conveying romantic and/or sexual interest, while also believing she's a person who deserves respect and careful consideration of her boundaries. It's reading the room. Red pillers struggle to see women as people worthy of respect, so they struggle with this concept. "Always flirting" is extreme though and could easily look fake or too forced at so…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 03:55 PM
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The point isn’t that men should keep choosing mistreating partners; it’s that women tend to recalibrate their preferences only after getting burned, not because they suddenly developed a taste for “nice guys.” Right, and I'm asking you if men should continue choosing the same types of women because they would also mainly shift their choices after getting burned by the women who like to manipulate, degrade, abuse, use them, etc. You should be able to answer the question. The comparison to men gro…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 05:28 AM
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Oh, so he’s a tall, athletic, social musician with a good job, and we’re supposed to be surprised he’s had his share of fun? That doesn’t disprove the “nice guys finish last” idea—it actually reinforces it. He’s not finishing last because he ticks all the boxes that women, including your friend, find attractive. He’s not the poster child for the “nice guy” who gets overlooked—he’s the exception, not the rule. The guy’s basically a unicorn in the dating world: good-looking, successful, and kind. …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 05:28 AM
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Ah, the good ol "science" card, because apparently, throwing out the word "neurological" is a mic drop moment. Here’s the thing: just because you slap “science” onto your argument doesn’t automatically make it airtight. You want to talk about science? Fine, let’s do it. Science tells us that human behavior is influenced by a cocktail of biological impulses and social conditioning. So yeah, the bad boy appeal isn’t just some random phase women go through—it’s deeply wired, and it's not something …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 05:27 AM
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“Non-bad boys often get overlooked until the thrill of chasing bad boys wears thin. They’re not Plan A; they’re Plan B—the safe bet when the high-risk, high-reward dating strategy of your youth starts burning out. So if these women suddenly decide Mr. Stability is their dream guy in their 30s or 40s, it’s more about survival than some deep, soulful connection.” Again, I find this a weird way to look at things. Men do the same thing. I’ve talked to so many guys irl who say they learned that the w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 12:45 PM
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“Feelings, facts, whatever you want to call it—what I’m talking about is a pattern that plenty of people see, even if it doesn’t line up with your personal highlight reel. The reality is that many women over 30 do find themselves in a different dating landscape than they did in their 20s. Women in their 30s and 40s might have options, but are they really the same ones they were gunning for in their 20s? Probably not. And sure, maybe some have genuinely shifted their priorities—but let’s not act …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 12:33 PM
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Another part of this is that women tend to have stronger social support networks as well, whereas women provide something in relationships that many straight men don’t get from other men. This is probably also why older women appear less desperate to me. We just tend to be more selective in my experience and there’s a higher percentage of older women who have higher : deeper standards that aren’t negotiable. Young women generally don’t, beyond average materialistic things that a 30 year old man …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 12:18 PM
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“So, you’re saying young women are more desperate because they’re insecure and still figuring things out? Sure, I’ll give you that. But let’s not pretend that older women are just effortlessly floating through life with all the self-assurance in the world. Desperation just gets a makeover—it’s less about chasing clout and more about finding a life raft in the sea of dating after 30. The biological clock doesn’t tick quieter just because you’ve matured; it just adds another layer of pressure to f…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 12:01 PM
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Honestly, I wish they would confront all the men instead, sheesh. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 11:36 AM
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I’ve consistently found that undesirable men who are upset and entertaining revenge fantasies online get so pissed when they see a conventionally hot/“alpha” guy going for women they don’t find attractive. Its so funny 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 05:33 PM
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This is basically the flip side of what I keep saying here - young women have the worst outcomes and experiences with dating by age group. This is one major reason why. Toxic men know what won’t work on many older women (not all) and how certain approaches make young women easier to approach. I remember the relationships when I was really young. Messy toxicity everyywhereee. Not for everyone, ofc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 05:31 PM
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I’m glad it worked out for you! I think many people would find different results, but I will say getting married at 26 is different than getting married at 21. You couldn’t pay me to go back and get married at 25. I’m so glad I waited until my mid-30s. I learned from my parents, who married young, that I didn’t want that kind of life for myself. They are from a different background and generation, but they were also still maturing and growing up and they ended up having some different ideas of w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:01 PM
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Why should someone be less entitled because they have children or exes? Also what does “being entitled” mean to you exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 11:33 AM
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Would disagree with you, as I don’t think relationships work on a reductive plane of physical attraction. Social norms define our realities, as well as class and educational backgrounds. Older women are more likely to have access to different caliber of men in the West, especially in liberal areas and major cities. Partly because of the social aspect of attraction and some older men’s desire for traits that are more common in older women and partly because of proximity and likelihood to be engag…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 10:56 AM
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“But let’s talk about what’s really going on. When they were younger, they were drawn to these ‘alpha’ types because that’s who they were actually attracted to—physically, emotionally, sexually. The thrill, the chase, the status—those were the qualities that got them going. But now? The only thing that’s changed is their desperation levels and the ticking of the biological clock. Sure, they’ll tell you they’ve grown, that they value stability and kindness now, but are they really attracted to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 10:36 AM
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“So, we’ve got this story where women in their teens and 20s make all sorts of questionable choices in men—because, you know, emotional trauma, lack of self-esteem, yada yada. They go through the wringer with these ‘alpha’ types: the charismatic, emotionally unavailable, borderline abusive guys who, for some reason, make their hearts race despite every red flag waving in their faces. And why? Because deep down, those bad boys scream power, confidence, and dominance—all the things that biology, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 10:36 AM
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“All this talk about being attracted to ‘good partners’ or ‘future dads’ is just PR spin for, ‘I’m trying really hard not to end up alone, so let me rationalize this one!’ And if they claim they’ve changed what they’re attracted to, there’s a reason behind that shift.” This is another example of poor logic from men who espouse these bitter takes. Why do you think a woman needs to choose a good quality partner to not be alone? Do you know many women? Or men? We don’t need to choose well to not be…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 10:35 AM
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Again, science. If you don’t read much, just say that. Not sure what else to tell you, but I won’t be denying neurological facts to accommodate bitter feelings. And also…kind of. Most people have figured out a lot more about life and themselves by the time they’re in their 30s compared to when they’re 21. Very young people are the least likely to value stability and calm in multiple aspects of life. This again is an implicit knowledge that most normal people understand. “Nice guys finish last am…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 10:34 AM
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Necessary but insufficient condition. I’m don’t think this answered my question, but okay. “People are attracted to people they’ve never even been close to seeing in real life, let alone met. Women confess attraction to such and such person from film or TV. They never met them, and know fuck all about their personality. Or are you suggesting the sexual reach of celebrities is even greater that we ever thought?” I think you’re struggling to understand that two things can be true at once. I think …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 12:48 PM
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“Recognising that somebody has a lot of traits that are generally desirable in a long term partner, either personally or societally and trying to recognising enough of them in that person to get past the necessary but insufficient condition that the fail on - which is whether you are actually attracted to them or not. The whole ‘woman tells her boyfriend hes only marriage material and doesnt find him seuxally attractive’? Classic woman psyopsing herself into thinking she always liked him.” But h…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 12:37 PM
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“I am describing a necessary but insufficient condition. Yes, to build a life requires more than just enjoying the time they spent together for its own sake, but that is a vital and fundamental building block.” Agree on foundation, disagree about it being the only thing you should like about a person. “Well obviously if all they can say they value in the relationship and in him is what they are getting out of him, what other possible conclusion can you come up with?” The issue here is you seem t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 12:37 PM
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Interesting, I guess we’re getting somewhere in terms of understanding what you’re talking about. This seems like an extreme example to me, but I suppose it’s definitely something that happens. Personally, I don’t think it’s the worst thing to grow up and realize you were dumb or shallow when you were young because I think it happens to almost everyone in different ways. When you were a child, you most likely laughed at people you might come to like when you’re older and have a more mature minds…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 11:51 AM
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The post mentions desirability as core to this discussion about said demonization.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 08:38 PM
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Just curious, does that mean you would want to be a meal ticket for an 18 year old?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:55 PM
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“This is first world privelege, you are forced to grow up really fast once you grow up lower middle class. If the maturation of the adolescent brain does not finish until late 20s and that they cannot make their own decisions then we should make it illegal for women to be able to drink, smoke or vote until 30 years of age. Do you agree with that?” No, this is science. You are entitled to your feelings, but facts are facts. Beyond that, science works the way it does regardless of what class you a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:52 PM
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Oh, okay. I mean I think men of the same age have options but it is different. I thought this whole conversation was about older women vs younger women as options. Is this about resentment because men of the same age have less access to sex or relationships than some of the same age? Wouldn’t that be true at almost any age? So why go at women over 30?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 02:38 PM
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“He has to first accept his attraction to women that mistreat him. Not pretend it’s not the case and now he’s got to some imagined level of maturity that it’s no longer the case. You can’t change who you as a person on an unconscious level are attracted to. And besides, the treatment you get from a person has nothing to do with the unconscious and instinctive attraction you feel for them, that’s a bullshit cop out.” You’re saying two things that may contradict. Does unconscious level attraction …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 02:33 PM
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“Being excited to spend time with them. It’s not that dissimilar to enjoying time with family members, or friends you genuinely like. That value you get is from the time spent with them, not what you are obtaining in terms of monetary value, or access to an event or experience. When women say, ‘oh, the man has X money, gives me Y things and promised to take me to z places’ and yet has nothing to say about him as a person (big sign because if there’s attraction there you’d think the halo effect w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 02:32 PM
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“It’s what I’ve observed and experienced, with myself and my friends, male and female. It’s not that I think that there’s only one, tightly defined archetype that people can be attracted to, but whatever people are attracted to won’t change without good reason. That’s why I say older women are attracted to older versions of those men, not completely different ones. Whether that’s race, height, interests etc.” It’s okay to base opinions on anecdotal evidence as long as we agree that this is incre…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 02:32 PM
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So do older women. lol I’m in my 30s and no one I know has zero options. Almost everyone has met their partners in their 30s+ and now several are marrying those partners. Never experienced any lack of options and there’s no sign of options stopping. If my fiancé and I broke up tomorrow, I’d be able to hop online or go out and socialize and still get hit on the same way I did when we met. Really this idea is kind of hilarious. What credible data do you have that proves older women have no dating …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 12:37 PM
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The maturation of the adolescent brain doesn’t finish until mid-late 20s and any half-credible psychologist can tell you that people tend to make romantic decisions based on childhood trauma and models exposed to them in youth. It can indeed take 14 years to work through that, easily. Example - one of my friends unfortunately dated a much older man when we were 18. He was abusive, as these relationships often go. That’s on top of parents and society overall who didn’t raise her to be an assertiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 12:25 PM
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Interesting reply. I’m noticing two issues here. Logical reasoning and sources. Do you have credible data on psychology and neuroscience to back this up or is it just your feelings? I would never dismiss anyone’s feelings, but feelings aren’t facts or strong logical reasoning. This sounds far more along the lines of “my feelings” rather than logic, but I want to give the benefit of the doubt. More logical reasoning. It seems like you think people can only be attracted to one kind of person, or i…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 12:09 PM
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Happy to see a man acknowledge this. I’m always saying that I think young women actually have the worst dating options and outcomes and stats back this up in the West. It’s such a delusional revenge fantasy that is almost comical to believe in. It’s probably only true in the most conservative, patriarchal societies. Basically they want to rewind the clock because without controlling social norms and conditioning women to deeply fear aging or being alone, this wall doesn’t really exist. Definitel…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 08:12 AM
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This logic is odd to me. Most people change their desires as they get older. Do you think people should stay mentally 18 forever?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 08:02 AM
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You seem to struggle with balancing multiple truths. I see this a lot. He can be single because of both his looks and his personality. If women are telling you it’s personality, it’s likely because we know what turns us off. So we already know and have seen personalities that made the difference. It’s also true that all women are different. I think you’re also conflating personality with goodness. I think goodness wins, but even when women are attracted to toxicity, we’re still talking about per…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:55 AM
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Some are but it’s probably more likely that many here get off on the idea that this could be them, even if it isn’t. Or their misogyny drives them to fantasize about the ways women allegedly hit the wall and then pay for how they’ve treated them by men who have reached the revenge fantasy they hope exists to punish women, even if it’s not the reality for them. Those would be my top conclusions. But sure some exist irl for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 05:53 PM
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Technically, that statement never implies that it will be easy or even likely that you’ll find your someone - just that they exist. Dating is hard for women too, albeit in different ways. Honestly I think men and women would have an easier (not easy) time if they worked on their relationships with themselves first and went to therapy. Some maybe need social skills training possibly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 05:43 PM
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You said it’s already understood that men aren’t entitled to these things but not sure about that. A lot of the bitterness and misogyny we see basically reeks of entitlement to women’s bodies, labor, and love. But sure, no one is entitled to romantic or friendship affection from anyone. However, people are entitled to respond to how you treat them. If you don’t show respect and you want to date me, I have a response for that. If you don’t show effort and want to date me, I have a response for th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 02:46 PM
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I think this is fair, even though I was this person. Regardless of whether or not you're correct, you should have filtering standards that fit your values. Depending on how you define virginity, I was kind of in this category - I was involved with women first (and still a late bloomer there, mid 20s) and hadn't slept with a man until my late 20s. I'm in my first relationship, aside from a very intense friend with benefits situation once, and we're engaged now. I didn't hold it against anyone who…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 01:26 PM
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This is big. I know some people think I'm weird when I say one of the best things about my relationship with my fiance is how we resolve and work through conflict. It was one of the biggest green flags during early stages of our relationship. HUGE for me. And meeting my own needs as well as asserting what I need from him has been huge. I'm still not perfect, but being aware of myself from the beginning in this way has been an asset. My commitment to our relationship from day one was to assert my…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 10:57 PM
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I think common interests, as in hobbies, don’t matter as much, although it’s nice if you can find ways to have fun and be playful together beyond just taking walks. (And I’m sure you are playful during these times) Shared values, beliefs, and politics, life plans and visions for the kind of future you’re interested in or open to, and compatible character traits like temperament in handling conflict, boundaries, and respect are far more important. Also, a variety of other compatibility preference…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 04:18 PM
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It depends on the preferences, doesn’t it? ;) And how you express them and how you treat others who don’t fit your preferences. You know, being a decent person and all that. For example, I just binged this song by Hozier called Too Sweet. He’s not being demonized for his preferences expressed in the song for a partner not like whoever the woman is that he’s singing about. It’s very catchy and many people like it. Women who like little boys are not championed. Most women think women who molest 12…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 03:59 PM
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“So far beneath them in every category it’s insulting” Geez, aren’t you a peach 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 11:31 AM
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And most therapists I’ve spoken to or even learned from still agree with me. Run along now.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 11:34 PM
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“Are you autistic? I'm not trying to be rude, I just think it would explain why you aren't getting what I'm saying.” Do you have a low IQ? Not trying to be rude, but it would explain why you don’t understand this conversation. Also, you clearly don’t understand what autism is either, so add that to the list of things you don’t get.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 11:28 PM
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Exactly lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 10:41 PM
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Such insightful feedback again. You must be in a very healthy relationship and must be a healthy relationship partner yourself, most definitely 💯
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 10:38 PM
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I didn’t tell him anything though, neutral or otherwise lol it was a question. He could have said yes and explained that he only likes similarly oriented people. People also answer that way to the same kind of question but again, the context stands out because he’s talking shit in a specific way that they often wouldn’t be when I’ve asked them a similar kind of question. Also, you’re incorrect. The point of the question is exactly what I explained - to see what his inner narrative is and for him…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 10:35 PM
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Why is it because of me exactly? And why is he the most interesting person / guy in the discussion?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 08:15 PM
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Maybe not, you haven't really articulated much. Your experience is also your own as well. I've been introspective my entire life as well. Your results seem to be different from mine and that's fine too. Everyone is different, has different skills, and tbh the quality of the introspection is not equal for every person. It's going to look wildly different from person to person, unfortunately. And the resolve depends on what tools and support systems you have and use at your disposal. "Masks are li…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 07:10 PM
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I wasn't surprised. People like that are usually projecting their inner critical voice - that tends to be how they feel about themselves in more ways than one. I was raised by someone like that. Glad you found it cute though? Cheers.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 06:48 PM
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Not everything is a mask, there’s authenticity as well and who you are as a person lol But if you don’t understand that the I guess I understand it being a foreign concept, even though that’s a bit sad to me. I agree with you part of the way though. I think introspection is the only pathway possible to anything worthy of living, loving or otherwise. It’s also hard and uncomfortable. You don’t only see pleasant things at all. I’ve always been loving though, that’s not something I had to find. Int…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 06:41 PM
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Thanks for your insightful feedback. Still standing by my point. Also, job interviews are a snapshot moment of engagement and hardly compare to the kind of social engagement or even awareness of personality that you get when trying to build relationships. You can think harder than that, honey. Rub those neurons together. Also, did you read what I said? I literally opened saying that genders and ages alone aren't the key differences to note here. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 03:04 PM
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A tragedy, really. And such a lack of empathy too. "They have these neuroses in the way and can't make others happy." Are they happy? What if they're having a shitty day? They don't have the right to shit on yours, true, but a little empathy can open up a world of perspective and lighten someone's load and mood. But I digress. He can just be bored.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 03:01 PM
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Yeah, this only works on certain kinds of people even though they think they're targeting different kinds of people. Different kinds of people does not = young, old, subculture, etc. Age has some correlation, to be fair, but on its own, not so much. The different kinds of people is about attachment styles, childhood trauma, family histories and relationships with parents, patterns in relationships, patterns in issues with boundaries, patterns in issues with self-respect and self-worth. You've li…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 02:38 PM
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You’re still making up things that haven’t been said because it makes you feel better or because you’re still projecting whatever relationship or woman trauma you have onto me. This is indeed a waste of time and only one of us looks angry here - it’s not me. I thank every man like you, who has ever chosen a tree instead of me. Thank you for sparing this level of emotional trauma from my life. Not everyone is so lucky and that’s why everyone should go to therapy. I am happy to have avoided people…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 11:39 AM
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Sure honey lol Just say you’re uneducated or a misogynist in dential and keep it moving.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 11:31 AM
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I remember talking to two younger people, and one was a young man who was asserting that he found a certain kind of woman boring and uninteresting. I withheld my own critical judgment and just flipped the question back on him, “Do you think you’re interesting?” He reluctantly admitted that he didn’t find himself interesting either. I’m glad he said it and not me. I was taking a class at a community college after work and he was one of the least interesting people I encountered there. Thee nerve …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 11:26 AM
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Oh look, he missed history class. How cute.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 11:00 AM
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I think this is true to some degree. No one is perfect, but this is one reason why getting married young is a horrible idea (generally, you’re still growing up and learning who you are and what you want, let alone how you want others to perceive you). Also everyone should do the introspective work of intentionally growing and reflecting on the things that make you a good family member, friend, community member, lover, romantic partner, and at the core of it is usually how much you love, treat, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 10:54 AM
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They may just be talking about data though. Single women without children may just be objectively happier than married women with children. I think that means we have some work to do, but women are still probably happier in marriage than they have ever been, compared to married women of the past. But yeah, being a single childless woman in the West today is probably peak happiness for women in the West ever. Edit: I’d have to look at the data again though and see if numbers are clear. Married co…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 10:40 AM
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I can imagine that someone who lashes out and projects his trauma and unhappiness onto others is also triggered by people calling out his behavior, so I guess I can see how accusations of getting angry and lashing out are considered “shaming language” for you and that these are signals to shut down from the discussion. Your second post was a mess, trying to clean it up is kind of sad honestly. There’s no shame in therapy. I do wonder if your wife knows you “generally” find women unbearable. That…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 11:13 PM
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Yes and no. I don’t agree completely and I don’t think that perspective is the most conducive to success with women. I think socialization in general is about trying and growing. My bf got better with women as he got older, easily. “Whether or not a woman has "nope" stamped on her forehead matters little, she probably doesn't talk to you anyway.” - This is odd to me. Not talking to you IS the “nope.”
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 03:05 PM
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Well, I think that’s one reason many women prefer men to approach. A lot of men (maybe even most) don’t have a firm nope, that’s part of the problem to some women lol Some men also like to play games or will enjoy your attention and find you attractive enough to lust after and have sex with but not enough to boo up. Women learn this by observing others or experiencing it and may decide that it’s better to see how he approaches her, how much investment he puts into time with her, instead of letti…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 01:13 PM
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Sooo it feels like we’ve reached that point in the conversation where this isn’t a real discussion or debate and you’re just throwing random things out instead of engaging with what I’m saying. Where did I say anything about men sacrificing what they want for women’s preferences on this topic? If you don’t want to approach, don’t. You just said that you didn’t approach your wife. I didn’t say that was a problem. What’s the problem? “Women can complain about men and not need therapy but when men …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 12:57 PM
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No, but they might have a huge “nope” stamped on their foreheads if you’re paying attention usually and can read social cues. And there actually are pretty clear signs of interest some guys say they look for, so it’s working for some men. Probably comes down to social skills and emotional intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 06:16 AM
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Why should women be consciously concerned about every man who is afraid to approach her? How would she even be aware of them, honestly? Your logic here is odd. Are you actually suggesting that a woman doesn’t have empathy unless she approaches every single man who might be afraid to approach her?? What? This sounds borderline self-centered. What about her own preferences? Are women supposed to be self-sacrificing to men’s emotions and cater their sexuality and romantic orientation to whatever co…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 03:50 AM
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Women make a lot of dumb decisions, just like men. Women also date and stay with their abusers or have different ideologies than mine. Women are extremely varied in their beliefs and their levels of self-worth. But I would say people tend to not go in depth about values early enough. If people went nose deep and head first on values, politics, life goals, and gender roles up front, they would get a clearer idea of who they’re dealing with. Both men and women tend to want to push that stuff aside…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 10:01 PM
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I disagree actually lol I’m always saying that misandry is largely an individual experience. Misogyny is the only real phenomenon between the two on a systemic level across most cultures and countries. Misandry is kind of mythological to me really
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 09:26 AM
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I don’t think you understand what bullying is, friend. This is not it, to my understanding. If you don’t like my opinion or personality, that’s totally fine. I probably wouldn’t like yours either. Different people can have different opinions and takes on things. That’s not what bullying is. I actually don’t want you to think you’re misreading anything. I don’t want or need you to like me, nor do I want to be whatever the “good girl” is for you. I do want you to challenge your own logic and conte…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 09:00 AM
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Interesting…so if you’re one of the older men dating much younger women, wouldn’t you have some clue as to whether or not you’re boycotting older women? 😂 I suppose you’re inquiring about whether or not they’re doing it for the same reasons as you though. Fair enough. Compatibility is definitely an entire other point I wasn’t going to get into, but many have commented on the maturity of older men who end up with and especially who prefer much younger women and/or their interests and cultural aff…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 10:43 AM
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I would say neither, but it does depend on where you live. I've only lived in cities, where people tend to get married later, and currently live in NYC. There is no serious shortage of single women in their 30s in cities, where most people live. Also, 30-somethings are not "the older generation that wouldn't be on dating sites." We are very much on dating sites. lol And there are other ways to meet people offline as well. There's a specific group of men with a growing voice online and in society…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 02:14 AM
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I will give you some bit of credit - I do think people go hard when they find their new ideology or new bit of freedom from whatever was constraining or limiting them before, new identity, etc. They can mellow out a bit as they get older, maybe and maybe not. It depends on their personality. I'm intense in general, but I have changed in some ways related to my feminism or my personal embodiment of feminism in my relationships, I should say. I think who I was as a very young, super angsty teen fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 01:00 AM
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If it's not about being submissive, then why is it an issue to encourage women to not be submissive? It sounds like your grievance would be more directly on an alleged misunderstanding on what being agreeable should look like and clarifying the line between the two, no? When these types of women don't get dates, they think it's because these men are misogynists looking for a submissive women they get to control. This fuels their suspicions, and the cycle continues itself. ^ This is just scratchi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 12:54 AM
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I believe it. I have heard a lot of women express that they don't really want to go online to find partners and really only treat it as a casual or playful thing. It's also not like meeting in person, where you can gauge chemistry and vibe right away. Women tend to be more social as well, so I imagine that's a factor too. Yikes: The sector’s leading platforms have openly targeted women in recent marketing. Bumble sparked outrage after its latest advertising campaign, which directly addressed wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 07:24 PM
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lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 08:59 PM
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You would think, but...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 05:04 PM
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I think a lot of you here have codependent issues or something. Do you hear yourselves? Or maybe it's an immaturity thing linked to age, not sure. To have a standard that someone shouldn't be able to enjoy life without you for a week (for much longer than that really) is one of the most "please check yourself into therapy, because you're not doing relationships well" things I've ever heard. OP, I know this is just an example to make a point/debate, but please know that healthy, well-adjusted men…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 05:01 PM
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If you only find yourself at peace when you're with your partner, and can't ever be without them for extended periods of time, I'd encourage therapy. That sounds extremely unhealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 04:54 PM
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Would you be okay if she went on her vacation that she worked hard to afford and you two also find a much cheaper vacation that you can do together then? It's unrealistic and inconsiderate to tell your partner that they can't go on a trip they've always wanted to go to if they don't pay for you to go - there's a dismissive entitlement in that attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 04:52 PM
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This is disingenuous. One vacation leaves most of the year to share experiences together. She could even save up for another vacation that he could afford.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 04:49 PM
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This sounds like you just don't trust your gf then. Being a sex tourist is very specific. Getting attention doesn't mean you respond to it positively and have sex...unless you choose to.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 04:46 PM
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That's very well balanced of you. Some men here don't share that perspective / trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 04:44 PM
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Amazing how they jumped to that conclusion. It definitely is about the money for a lot of men lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 04:35 PM
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Men actually benefit from marriage in a lot of ways that women don't. Married men literally live longer and make more money on average, compared to men who haven't been married. At the end of the day, if you don't want to get married or be in relationships, you shouldn't. Not only are you less likely to make a good partner with this attitude, but you'd be forcing yourself to do something that you think is useless. Men who don't want relationships, kids, or marriage should definitely avoid all th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 07:40 AM
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The question is about who I'd like to fuck and dating preferences. Where did this come from? I would be disappointed if any child I have is conservative, though, absolutely. Seems highly unlikely in the first place, but I suppose it is possible and parents have to be prepared for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 07:14 AM
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It doesn't seem to me that most men have this issue in real life. Just speak for you and your people, it's more honest that way. Or provide credible evidence. Is there data you have to share? Otherwise it's just an assumption. Different people need different things to feel loved, and you have no objective or credible evidence to support your opinions. You would need some outstanding neurological and sociological evidence to prove that men who date and marry women over 30 (or wherever your little…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 01:04 PM
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I prefer leftist men, but if they're not an option, liberal for sure. "How much does political orientation matter for you in dating?" I'm a "very political person," and I think common values are extremely important, so it matters quite a lot to me. Also an atheist. It's deal breaker territory. I'm also a bit intense and I care about knowing who the person is, which for me is largely about their values. There's no such thing as truly knowing someone without knowing their beliefs and ideas and the…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 08:59 AM
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Lol Right?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 10:50 PM
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"verbal and maybe even physical abuse is justified because of your preferences" It's a no for me dawg. Also lol @ it being an excuse to give fake info instead of protection. I love how instead of being concerned and empathetic about what women may be facing in terms of safety and verbal abuse just for not liking someone, you've chosen to basically justify it and pre-emptively dismiss women's feelings and experiences by asserting that only a small fraction of men behave this way without any actua…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 10:49 PM
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Don't get married then. Plenty people don't these days, you probably won't be judged for it, depending on where you're from. And if they do, that's their problem. Women shouldn't be pressured to lock in their lives if they don't want to! Freedom is definitely beautiful. Marriage usually doesn't entitle you to pre-marital assets. You can also get a prenup to double down on this. I agree that government is over-kill on barriers to allow people to divorce. This isn't exclusive to marriage though. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 12:08 PM
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I think it depends on what is meaningful to you and your approach to dating. This has always been true though - fuckboys and casual flings aren't new, just more common now. Short term romantic situations that fade quick aren't new. An unhealthy or excessively shallow basis for even serious committed relationships that end up having issues down the line because people were too young when they got together or not mature enough aren't new either - this is one of the reasons millenials have the lowe…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 11:35 AM
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Right, and you replied to my answer to OP as if I had replied to you. You said: 'you're not owed sex' when did I say I was 'you're not entitled to a partner' when did I say I was ​ I can see that you might have meant other people saying the same things to you, but the way you phrased it sounded weird, as I wasn't speaking to you
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/24 03:38 PM
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Wanting to be desired isn't necessarily entitled either. But that's also not the same thing as wanting to date someone. They usually go hand in hand but they're not the same. Also confused - are you OP from another account?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/24 05:45 PM
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lmao I mean, do you, babe. This was a wild ride though. This is more evidence that TRP is bs and that they barely understand men, let alone women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 07:45 AM
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I disagree for your point about women. "not knowing your own value" doesnt = entitlement. Wanting to date someone doesn't = entitled. Having preferences doesn't = entitled. I also think entitlement can be positive or negative. Feeling entitled to being treated a certain way can be very healthy. Feeling that people owe you a relationship, especially based on how *they* evaluate your traits, as many men here seem to demonstrate, is negative entitlement. Now, entitlement usually has a negative conn…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 07:31 AM
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I think this makes perfect sense, what's the issue? Being realistic and knowing that love is not the seeking of perfection and knowing that your perfect match doesn't exist seems to fit in with what you said, since you emphasized different values and priorities. Tbh I support my girlfriends who want as close to perfect as possible, as long as they are aware that it will probably take a long time and isn't guaranteed. If they're happy with the length of the search and the work that may take and a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 06:22 PM
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Is objectification or commodification of sex inevitable? Those are two separate questions in my opinion. I don't think the level or tenor of objectification in modern society is inevitable, no. This requires social conditioning, media, modern technology, sexism, and misogyny. It's more than just "ooo sex, yay." It has a violence and degradation that goes beyond even just fetish to actual perceptions of worth and value as humans, with institutional abuse to go along with it and social norms that …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 01:18 AM
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Who's blaming all men? She likes my bf and doesn't blame him. She likes her other best friend's bf and doesn't blame him. She has 3 brothers and doesn't blame them. She lives with her parents and doesn't blame her father. She has met my dad and thinks he's cool and doesn't blame him either. Have I missed something? Where is she blaming all men exactly? Please clarify for me, would like to understand. It just is what it is. Life makes you tired and kills hope or enthusiasm for many people. I thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 11:00 PM
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Good for those women. There's a lot to substantiate this choice. We have had similar movements here in the USA in the past as well. I think it'll provide a framework that works for many women. I have friends who are already doing many of these things if not all of them in some cases. I have friends so scarred by relationships and ideas of desirability and the consequences of being involved with men that they decided to stop dating and being open to pursuing relationships all together. A friend o…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 09:09 PM
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I assume you're talking about feminists because women who aren't feminists often have no issue with slut shaming or specifically calling women sluts in a negative way. My mother isn't a feminist and she'll be the first one to call someone a whore. She's very judgmental about people's lives as a Christian with more conservative ideas about what people should be doing in their lives. She's judgy in general about a lot of things really - very common for this type of person. I'm the radical feminist…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 02:45 PM
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I disagree, I think women should be more concerned about themselves and what they get from men. Too many women have standards in the basement and haven’t taken the time to work on their relationships with themselves, investing in themselves with not only career and education but also education on emotional intelligence, emotional abuse, and healing childhood traumas and issues that keep them going after the wrong guys and ending up in the trash level relationships they’re addicted to. I don’t ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 03:25 PM
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Lol a lot of these guys are broken and need therapy. This question doesn't surprise me in the slightest unfortunately
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/24 08:15 AM
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I honestly think a lot bs ideas and distorted perceptions of what's happening in dating, sex here are definitely due to a lot of men not knowing what's going on with other men. Women know because we tend to talk about relationships and have close relationships with our friends, family members, etc. and we see and hear about who everyone is with and often socialize more. I'm convinced a large portion of guys here are just like almost excluded from this social realm. But yeah, the people society c…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/24 07:59 AM
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But also sure, it's not cool to misrepresent yourself online. I think it can be hard because many people in general need to work on accepting and loving themselves and/or like the photos most where they look smaller. Not sure what the women you're talking about did with their photos but if it's wildly out if date - definitely not cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 07:24 PM
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I mean I could choose that route because, if I'm comparing myself to my hottest thin friends, they might still have even more options than I do for a guy who has all the conventionally praised things. My thin, conventionally hot friends would get more attention than I did, even though I had my fair share as well. If I was willing to spend time comparing myself to other people to see how angry I should have been about dating, I could have been angry as a fat girl, for sure. I mean I was sad at ti…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 07:22 PM
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Sure. Back to the actual conversation and point: I was explaining to you why there are several reasons that both men and women are against grown men dating children and large age gaps, and many of them have nothing to do with older women lacking options or even specifically not liking it. So characterizing this as something that's an issue or villified specifically because women are aging and allegedly lack options when they're grown adults is inaccurate and misses a much larger picture of why w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 06:57 PM
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Wow, that's crazy. But thanks for delivering the info, I guess!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 06:08 PM
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So I can relate to this, as the "pretty but fat girl" I have no problem if a guy would rather date a thin girl who is or isn't as pretty or overall attractive as I am. Who cares? I've seen plenty of fit guys with average or what society would consider "ugly" thin women. That's cool. I'm very picky about a lot of things myself. Not every slim or fit guy I met when I was single was acceptable to me. I cut off multiple guys who weren't fat and I usually didn't fate fat guys either. Part of it was a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 04:35 PM
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You: You can't discuss race here, so, as a moderator, I'm going to give you an informal warning about it. Since race isn't the crux of your comment and since I'm responsible enough not to take the bait and reply to your racial argument, I'll let the comment stay up. Can you show where the rules are on this? Not being able to bring up race isn't something I've ever encountered here and I've done it many times before. Unless you can show me where I can read the rules that state this, I'm going to …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 04:14 PM
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Why is this something to be angry about though? This is what OP is asking. Why is what that one woman does any of your business to the extent that you need to be angry? Lol Many women sleep with men because they want to. People here might consider me below the league of multiple guys who have pursued casual (and serious) relationships with me and the ones I had casual relationships with. They didn't use me any more than I used them. A lot of us enjoy sleeping with hot men without pinibg after th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 04:13 PM
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Yes, exactly. That's why what you're bringing up has so many more layers than just being attracted to the hottest person. Before women had sufficient economic and reproductive rights, relying on men for survival was the norm and that logically increases the likelihood of children marrying grown men they would have no interest in otherwise. It arguably takes women having few options in life for survival, and families knowing that and planning for their survival, for society to amplify the value o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 03:24 PM
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I think in liberal, Western cultures that's also not really true. Here in NYC, I didn't experience a lack of options in my 30s and have seen all kinds of women with their fair share of options and being pursued by men as they're older. One example, I have a 42 year old friend that has multiple guys chaaisng after her - and these are men with money too. So first, I don't see reality matching that narrative. Data also shows that the new average first birth is for women around 30. Average age gap i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 03:09 PM
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Idk about that and leagues seem subjective. Also the logic of what you're suggesting seems odd No one defines clearly or in detail, beyond what society considers the absolute "hottest" people, who is in what league. And so much of that can be subjective and vary from culture to culture and within different ethnic groups. The hottest groups of women for Asian men are very different from the hottest groups of women among African men, for example. Way completely different, on average. Moving on. If…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 02:50 PM
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The issue here is we have the ethical and sometimes weird component of dating much younger people. This isn't the same. The equivalent of what OP is saying would just be the "most attractive" women in a group - not necessarily the youngest person one can find which can come with a variety of other incentives beyond just looks. The equivalent to what you're saying would be age based attractions in women - either being into young men or much older men. There's a morality component to one scenario …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 02:42 PM
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I’m actually in a relationship and we’re planning to get engaged this summer. Actual feedback from what my bf has told me and what I've observed: I’m the most caring gf he has ever had, I show the most interest in what he’s feeling, and he says I'm the most considerate partner he's had He thinks I’m very supportive He thinks I'm very thoughtful He finds my mannerisms to be “animated” and cute. He thinks I'm funny He loves that I’m very intelligent and that we can have discussions about things I …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 03:46 PM
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It’s usually the other way around in my observations and experience, but I haven’t looked up any data or research on this yet. Depends on how she comes across while being on guard. Either way, it’s probably more likely to filter out creeps, insecure men, men with not the greatest intentions, those who aren’t genuinely curious to know you as a person, etc. than someone who is a right match for you. I’ve been on guard to the extent of avoiding relationships much longer than my friends when I was y…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 02:09 PM
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We really don't. As far as living in the West is concerned, this is mostly a revenge fantasy. The most I'd say is that this can be true in much more conservative countries and perhaps some more conservative, rural locations. In the cities I've been in, dating in your 30s isn't a problem because of your age and attractiveness. We know some men like much younger women, but it doesn't seem to be enough of a majority that it affects anything. Statistically, large age gap couples haven't been the maj…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 01:33 AM
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Less likely for sure, but in social situations or if you’re sitting alone working in a bar, they might. Has happened to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 10:06 PM
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Yeah, I think it’s a mixed bag. Some men don’t have women friends and vice versa and some men actually prefer women as friends or don’t mind. Now whether or not someone who’s hitting on me randomly is open to being friends after being rejecting depends. But professional contacts are definitely a thing. I’ve had men and women interested in connecting because of my specific skill set and I’ve had people who may be interested in investing into any given nonprofit I was working for at the time. It’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 02:46 PM
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I don’t think OP said anything about the bf being around, did they? “the classic example and focus of this post is the phone number situation: say a woman is in a busy area in the city center chilling and a guy approaches, shoots his shot and asks for her number after friendly small talk. Now, if she goes along and gives him her number and her boyfriend discoveres this and says 'hey, I think that's inappropriate', he is lambasted as an insecure asshat because she didn't really give her number to…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 05:39 AM
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Fertility is the only advantage to having kids very young. Everything else about having kids young is a bad deal. But also, there are plenty of societies where women still get married and have children young. They usually just don’t have opportunities or freedoms the way women do in West. People all over the world aren’t going to live the same lives because we don’t have the same cultures or concepts of women’s rights. So there are still places where young women have kids young - it’s just becom…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 05:26 AM
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Would probably be for the best then. You should be with someone who’s compatible with you! I’ve already mentioned the safety fear. That was literally the first thing I explained. So why ask me again? Aside from that, with some guys you can be friends or professional contacts, especially the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 05:15 AM
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Sure, people in different class groups have different realities. But these are political issues because people shouldn’t have to take out a mortgage to be educated to do jobs that we literally do need to exist in society. And people should have the ability to choose those paths. Education wasn’t always this expensive and it’s still not in many countries. Who’s looking down on those careers? I think you’re most likely in a very small minority of artists. It’s possible that photographers make more…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 11:48 PM
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Artists and photographers on average do not get paid really well. And art school exists for a reason - artists who go to art school are more likely to earn a decent living but even they struggle. I live in a city full of artists and they’re definitely not paid very well from what I can see. I wouldn’t have been interested in any of these careers. Also blue collar trades seem like a toss up. You have to work a lot to make a good living from what I can tell. But some people do make a good living. …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 11:38 PM
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“Which is a perfect example of female hypergamy. The fact that you refer to it as ‘at the level they do’ is a clear example of how women consider lower earners to be of lesser value. You can insist until you're out of breath that it isn't the only factor, but the defining characteristic is the fulfillment of a traditional gender norm.” My understanding of hypergamy is intentionally seeking people who have more of x thing than you do. So you’re baseline would be more of x than you currently have.…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 11:20 PM
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Agree to disagree. While exceptions exist, most people will make significantly more during their lifetimes with higher education. I don’t deal in exceptions or possibilities on topics like these - probability is the point. Also, a ton of careers aren’t possible without education. So unless people should all only do a minority of jobs that pay well without an education, it’s pretty essential.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 10:54 PM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 10:50 PM
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“You are reducing men to the role of provider. If one of your primary filters is income then you are delegating him to the responsibility of primary provider and protector.” Disagree. Women often want someone who provides at the level they do or more. If I’m looking for someone who has accomplished at least what I have and that puts him in position of provider, then I’m by definition a provider as well. I don’t look at my own salary accomplishment as a metric that reduces my existence down to ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 10:43 PM
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I disagree with your first statement. Those are not the only options. My bf is not the dominant leader in our relationship, nor is he the submissive follower. We’re both dominant personality types and we collaborate, make decisions together, and take turns leading things. Think harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 10:28 PM
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Lol What responsibility would there be in this context? No woman owes any man her body in any capacity. Where’s the responsibility? The only responsibility here is providing the best life I can to children who didn’t ask to be born. No one is reducing men to anything. All relationships are different. All men play different roles in different relationships and I would never pressure any woman to do things my way or even get married or have children in the first place. And if I “should be expected…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 10:24 PM
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I think the key issue in the scenario you outlined is that women are far more in danger of harassment and physical and verbal violence than men are. If men behaved differently across the board on those issues of safety and fear inducing behavior, you’d have more of a leg to stand on. The reality is just what it is, unfortunately. As far as my opinion personally? I think couples should have strong communication and discuss what they think and come to comprises and agreements on what is and isn’t …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 10:10 PM
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While I’ve never heard anyone say anyone working a 9 to 5 is broke, a lot of financial advisors might argue the same thing. Many people do live paycheck to paycheck and there’s nothing wrong with realizing that you don’t want that in a partner. You probably are broke by some definition if you can only afford to survive and cover essential costs - I feel like most people would agree with that. This is why student debt and costs of healthcare are big political topics because people should not be s…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 09:51 PM
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Because they’re not. None of these actions require you to like or empathize with anyone, which illustrates a key point here. Especially not rape or kidnapping lmao those are about power over someone - literally the opposite of empathy or really liking someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:31 AM
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These are the questions they don’t want to answer here 🥲
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:26 AM
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Agree and disagree. If blue pill is the status quo, then men are definitely encouraged to take initiative, but I agree that being a good person and emotional intelligence and social skills seem to be more of a blue pill approach. It seems passive in comparison because it’s not trying super hard directly to make someone attracted to you, but standard dating advice actually does encourage trying to an extent. It’s less on the nose and specific and more focused on actual self development and becomi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 07:17 PM
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Yeah I think that’s what most young people are doing these days. Getting married and pregnant at 20 is relatively rare in the West in 2024.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 04:26 PM
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Not all of them are what guys here consider good looking, but yes, many women consider them attractive. But that’s kind of my point - money/hypergamy isn’t playing out even when women know some men have more earning potential. Or at least we can say it’s not playing out according to income. They view those guys as cool, ofc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 04:06 PM
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I take it that you are not formally educated, if you think only rich kids are at universities or that all the women are dating frat guys or that all schools even have frats lol You all are very removed from reality here. Having said that, I think talking about different class and socioeconomic backgrounds is key. Many people will never be able to go to college and their lives are often defined by that. So for sure, dating is different for different groups of people, to an extent. Although, I thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 04:02 PM
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I think that’s what you have to do if you want hypergamy to work easily. Either that or transform yourself and/or your approach, which takes a ton of work ofc. But I wouldn’t advise just be hot as a standard for a serious relationship. I don’t think some of you guys here understand the kind of misery that can bring, but choose your own adventure I guess. If you’re just talking about sex only, I guess that could make sense until we get to this conversation you’ve begun here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 04:00 PM
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Yeah, I just say that because when I read these posts, I suspect that’s what’s happening. But there are a lot of women who are far outside of that range who would be more interested and who probably would be more susceptible to the hypergamy thing. I think all people are beautiful in their own way but I know that’s not what anyone is talking about here, so without being horrible, I think of some women I’ve known who were definitely thin but very unfortunate in the face or other areas, sometimes …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 01:26 PM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 01:10 PM
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If money was the only thing that mattered, especially if you’re going after very young women, then every college campus STEM nerd would be swimming in pussy because they’re more likely to end up in higher paying careers and the women know that. That’s not what’s happening. Among young people, artists and musicians struggling to make ends meet will likely be more popular with women than the pre-med guys or engineering students on campus. Think harder everyone. Or maybe you all just aren’t out soc…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 01:08 PM
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Because you’ve been fed a lie by red pill idiots who have no real concept of how things work, for starters. You’ve highlighted exactly why the red pill is wrong about dating much younger women and women who are “beneath you.” Relatability, socioeconomic proximity, comfort, even down to the way people speak and the language they use - plenty of men don’t want to bridge those gaps, even if they find a woman physically attractive. Because human beings in modern society don’t function just based on …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 12:56 PM
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Right, and I’m saying my experiences and environment show the opposite and that the data seems iffy at best behind that assertion. I don’t subscribe to idiotic ideologies that use terms like beta buxx, but my bf is educated and successful, very financially well off. We met in my 30s. This is extremely common here. Reality doesn’t match your assumption. Edit: Or wait - is your comment meant to imply that finding a successful, educated, mature, kind, affectionate, financially well off man is a bad…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 12:34 PM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 12:44 AM
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This. And I don’t even think we really hit a wall with long term relationships either.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 12:43 AM
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Also there’s nothing wrong with healthy and non-sexist identifications of what kind of person you want to be with.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 12:42 AM
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I was about to say, there’s nothing wrong with finding men more attractive and pursing what he finds more attractive. It’s 2024 so if you feel that way, explore and experiment! Hey, he might already be doing that. This is a lot of “straight men” though. They’re not actually attracted to women lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 11:45 PM
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Women see a lot of undesirable and offensive profiles as well, trust me. And even worse, interact with the men behind seemingly fine profiles that have major issues that you would never suspect by looking 🥲 It can work out though if you focus on the people you’re interested in who aren’t blatantly ridiculous. I met my bf on Tinder lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 11:39 PM
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Chiming in as an overweight woman and someone who was/is very picky (in relationship now). I think the whole concept of settling has a fine line somewhere alongside being realistic and healthy in what your concepts of love and partnership are. We all have ideal mash ups who the perfect partner would be in our minds. Part of maturity and growing up involves two things, in my opinion. First, realizing that no matter what you look like or what traits you have, it’s incredibly unlikely that you will…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 11:39 AM
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It's exhausting for you that she likes attention and has "failed relationships"? Hmmm...therapy is a great resource, let's all use it, please.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 08:34 PM
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Is women being with lower income men and struggling to provide for children while doing all the domestic labor on top of a full time job a win? 🤷🏽‍♀️ Again, dating is filtering for everyone and finding the best partner for you. Hopefully your decisions aren’t 100% based on looks, but if that’s the most important factor for you, I’d advise two things. Tread carefully. Going for looks above everything isn’t a recipe for happiness or finding a great life partner or future mother. Get money. My bf c…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 02:29 PM
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No, the problem is that my standards for my life and for anyone who is allowed to step that closely into it to create a family with me make you feel inadequate. It irritates you because it’s a standard you don’t meet and may never meet. Either that or you’re actually a child or think like one. “Love is all you need” is a great mantra but it’s highly unrealistic when it comes to the world we live in. And I would say if that’s your mindset, you should probably avoid children because life will hit …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 01:39 PM
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That usually sounds like a revenge fantasy to me because they’re mad that average women can sleep with “hot” men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 11:09 PM
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Plenty of men have beauty standards and men love to judge women’s beauty. Some men don’t care but many do. You have an entire forum here where they talk about how women in our 30s are ugly old hags 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 11:05 PM
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Men have overwhelmingly positive outcomes from marriage. It’s not new and it’s not made up lol science places an inconvenience to our false narratives that can be hard to realize though. This is also likely based on US data, so idk about the world. They also find that married men make more money, and a bunch of other things compared to men who have never been married
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 11:00 PM
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You do realize the average man makes around 50,000k per year right? And most men who make more money are older (30-40+) and already married. Men who make 100,000+ and are in there 30s are exceptionally gifted, lucky or privileged. Like me, I make over 100,000 and I am in my early 30s. I am one for he smartest men to have and ever will be born, top of my class and an exceptional programmer that impress CEOs at companies I work for. I earn that much for I am the shit when it comes to programming. …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 09:46 PM
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Well everyone has to sort and filter in dating. That’s not unique. They’re evaluating you too and some also have an income filter.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 09:14 PM
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Like I said, if you think you don’t need therapy, that’s on you. Don’t go 🤷🏽‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 08:58 PM
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This is actually an interesting topic! Nothing you said disproves what I explained though, nor does it show any kind of shallowness. Half of American women are making 52k or higher, and half of American men are making 62k or higher. I'm saying that people who are significantly below those numbers are likely to also be with counterparts who are also significantly below those numbers because they're more likely to be in each other's space to meet and fall for each other in the first place. Those p…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 06:37 PM
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Eh, I don't really encourage not caring about people outside of yourself or the future, but do you. Having said that, I think most people are probably more concerned with their lives than anything else. As someone who has always been into politics, most people have always seemed concerned with themselves, their relationships, their own lives. I think what you're saying is more the norm than anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 03:37 PM
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It actually wasn’t at all. And even if you disagreed, telling someone they’re hysterical and making things up in their head in the way that you said it is a perfect example of emotional abuse that seems typical in a power imbalance imo, which could be more prevalent in large age gaps where a young, impressionable and less experienced person will be more easily convinced by an older man that she’s making things up in her mind. Emotional abuse is emotional abuse whether or not the other person is …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 03:22 PM
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Of course there is a breakdown in marriage rates among lower class and/or uneducated people though apparently. Women who are educated and/or in higher income socioeconomic groups are more likely to get married and less likely to get divorced. But that doesn’t have to matter for you. There are women who are okay with your standard of living and accomplishment and would understand and relate to you and want to date you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 01:44 PM
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A lot of women have fought to be at this standard too though, so it’s also about finding people who are compatible and who would be wise options for building a family. To be fair, I think a lot of this comes down to socioeconomic groups. Average doesn’t really matter that much - it’s about what the average is within your class / socioeconomic cultural groups. That’s also what you guys should consider with dating apps. There’s no way to filter for that directly other than apps like okcupid where …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 01:39 PM
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Ladies, this is the kind of language from men that should put you on guard and that you should be watching out for in dating, especially in age gap relationships but in all. Calling you hysterical and dismissing your perspective when you’re sharing lived experiences - emotional abuse. Perceive and dispose the trash as necessary. DO NOT date men who speak to you like this. That’s one of my biggest messages for young women and all women as a feminist. Emotional abuse is rampant. I cut off men so f…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 10:40 AM
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Careful now, you’re not being a good little idiot and buying the narrative. 🤫 These guys act like most young women wouldn’t absolutely obliterate their self esteem if they had a mass forum about this and heard what many young women feel about much older men who aren’t celebrities. There will always be some who like it, but it’s definitely not the majority. A little older is more appealing than what these men reach for. I side eye large age gaps but also understand some of the appeal. I’d advise …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 10:33 AM
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Yet older women with baggage have lower divorce rates and probably higher likelihood of getting married in the first place if they’re educated. But go off 🙃
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 03:11 AM
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I think the difference is between transient love and couples who put the work in to have a long lasting connection. Being honey moon level in love won’t last forever, but married couples do sometimes stay together for decades if not the rest of their lives. Even if they don’t and it only lasts 40 years - that’s not nothing. That’s far more than “comes and goes.” Depending on the connection and relationship skills and investment of the people involved, that means working to stay connected, workin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 03:09 AM
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I’ll be honest, this just sounds like way too much resistance to therapy, which makes me question how healthy the relationship with self really is. I have never really struggled with crippling self worth, but I still had plenty that needed to be addressed and I’m glad I did it before I got into my relationship with my partner. I still have things to address. That doesn’t have to be done completely and only through therapy, but I don’t think most people are self aware enough or honest enough with…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 02:58 PM
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I think maybe you missed the big point. Your relationship with yourself affects basically everything and often in bigger ways than you realize. If you neglect that, then you’re basically dismissing the most important part of having healthy relationships and even to building attraction to an extent. It’s your choice though. Also therapists can absolutely talk to you about dating and relationships. I think the key goes back to what I just said - you don’t want to focus on the part that probably ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 12:41 AM
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I think phrasing this as a gender war is stupid af and so are some of these points. Taylor Swift being a billionaire means nothing to the distribution of wealth for most women. Lolol Please stop. I love Taylor, but she’s irrelevant in this conversation. The reality is that men’s well being affects women’s well being and while a minority of women will be okay living without men as partners, the majority will still be involved with them, which makes some of these outcomes for men more dangerous fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 01:24 PM
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I can see how it’s contradictory and I think part of that reason is because humans are completely predictable maps and society isn’t completely a machine where you can follow a formula and expect the same results as the next person. A lot of this depends on your social skills, how you come across, how well you read the room to know which potential targets are appropriate, so to speak, and that not everyone will respond to the same approach because women are not a collective hive brain or monolit…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 01:01 PM
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Same with men if not more so lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 12:49 PM
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Trans women? Lol Anyway, as a fat woman, I don’t really care about any random guy being shallow. It can still be addressed as a trait we tend to not like to praise in society though. Having said that, my main issues were/are people who are assholes. Men have a unique ability to be rather loud about their asshole opinions on dating preferences in public spaces, unfortunately. (I’m exaggerating, women can be that way too, but I do tend to see it more from men) Could be a minority of men. I think b…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 10:16 AM
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💯
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 10:10 AM
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Exactly. Unless someone is being an asshole about it, there’s no reason to be angry with them. I think a lot men here and in the manosphere feed into revenge fantasies about who certain kinds of women can get because it makes them feel better. This corner of the internet feels like one giant coping corner. It leads to irrational attempts at mathematically assessing her desirability and who she should dare to show interest in. Life doesn’t work like that. People are really complex and men who hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 10:09 AM
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More evidence that “men are smarter and more logical” is false 😂😂 Try consulting both natural and social science with this bullshit and then come back.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 09:49 AM
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Women can support the subjugation of women in society too. That doesn’t really prove that it’s not happening . Women can easily support sexism and have been some of its most active defenders. Using methods of the past to organize larger societies doesn’t disprove intent to subjugate women. That just sounds like the logical reasoning to support or embolden that decision. It doesn’t really remove the intent to do it. Whether or not the earliest societies after human evolution to a more conscious o…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 08:13 AM
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I’d be disappointed if my sons turned out to be sexist trash but I suppose that’s the risk you take. Scary thought though, I gotta say. Can’t control your kids, you can only show them the way and try to raise em right. I think my bf (future hubby) and I would do a great job together though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 07:46 AM
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We can agree to disagree. I think history is pretty clear that for the most part love was secondary if relevant at all and the point was survival, family, reproduction, and wealth. But you’re free to not acknowledge that, ofc. Some people definitely had the opportunity to fall in love first, but not nearly to the extent that we believe it should work today, or at least today in Western countries. I have friends who are from cultures where they still do arranged marriages and while you can like o…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 07:42 AM
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I was mainly making space for people’s kinks tbh lol But some men are more fond of women. I’d agree there’s no actual way to worship someone in a healthy manner though. I wish my mother was a feminist, would have avoided so many arguments lol But I’ve got that firmly in hand now and will definitely raise my future kids that way. No sexist trash, thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 07:25 PM
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Agree to disagree. Wouldn’t use the word conspiracy for every single thing, but the intent at subjugation is pretty obvious on its head imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 07:22 PM
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What does this mean exactly? However, I wonder if society was largely successful in influencing men's sexuality. Why did it completely backfire with women, and what is largely influencing them in the opposite way so quickly instead? Maybe it's because I was a nerd in school, but I don't think TRP nonsense was necessary to understand hypergamy in women. For most of human civilization, marriage wasn't based on love. Women were exchanged to the highest bidder for property, titles, land, and family …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 09:29 AM
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Feel free to avoid them then! Protect your peace, life is short.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 08:27 AM
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Have you looked at the data on how men benefit from marriage? It's overwhelmingly positive. If anything, women don't benefit as much from marriage. Men have every reason on earth to get married. Again, education is key, please do research. Also, do you care about yourself? Choosing to not get married should be a decision you make because you don't want it. If you genuinely don't want it for yourself because you incorrectly believe it's bad for men, cool. But if you want to be married and you've …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 07:00 AM
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Agree to disagree, but we all value different things. Most relationships I've ever seen have unhealthy, toxic patterns and realities I don't desire for my life. We should all work to what ends we value. If you desire a relationship where none of this matters, again, that's your prerogative. To me, everything I've said was critical for me to understand before getting into a healthy relationship. Not everything or everyone is worth having. All of this work has made me a much more desirable partner…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 06:43 AM
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Not "want" - have. And no, I don't. I want him to stay because he loves me and because I add to his life and make it a more fulfilling and happy one, that I'm a good partner and in the future a good wife and mother. Those are the primary reasons we should be together at this point, same for what he provides me. He brings the money, sure, but that's not nearly enough on its own. My bf doesn't need me now - he's very successful. He makes more money than most men ever will. He'll have more need fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 06:28 AM
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So is your relationship built on a foundation of understanding that you don't actually care about each other? Or are you just speaking in terms of the early, casual stages of dating? This is why I say all of you need to be in therapy. I wish my bf actually would say some dumb shit like this. And I hope he doesn't treat you the way I would expect based on that comment - or you to him. This is the saddest shit I've read today on this damn forum. But you need to educate yourself further on relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 02:15 AM
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lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 01:57 AM
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I'm not trying to do that. Not all men will be that way, but many are. I've encountered them and so have many other women and man for that matter. They definitely exist and you can see them here on this forum actually lol We interact with their lack of empathy, lack of respect for boundaries, and aggression when we talk to them in life and in dating. Just a couple months ago, my friend back home said she had an uncomfortable exchange with a guy who was yelling and being aggressive with her while…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 12:48 AM
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Some hot women are with these guys, but I also agree with you. A lot of the guys here wouldn't date women who would be overjoyed to be with them. They want to bitch about why no women like them but what some of them really mean is "why can't I get the ones I feel I should be entitled to because of how I perceive myself. The baddies or at least a super cute low key nerd who could be a bombshell if she tried but doesn't" lolol It's kind of funny tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 12:30 AM
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I've seen many cases where both are lacking, no shade to anyone ofc. I will say there's another category - men who have especially great social skills, charismatic, etc. But some women just don't know their worth or have other issues to work through or that's similar to what they grew up around as a standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 12:27 AM
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So sacrifice women to unhealthy, miserable relationships instead of helping men fix these issues? Absolutely not lol Also, the things you've mentioned about women aren't as negative on the impact of the relationship. Almost all of the things OP mentioned to characterize these men have more explicitly negative impacts on romantic emotional connection in the relationship than what you've listed. I don't think "not very handsome" makes someone a pathetic loser. Granted, I wouldn't describe anyone t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 12:24 AM
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I think that's a game a lot of young women believe in more. It's one of the main reasons I always counter the idea that young women have more leverage in dating. For a variety of reasons, they have most access to the fixer upper who has no real ambition and they're more likely to choose him too. Older women do this too sometimes, but less so. Some of my friends struggled with this when we were younger. We're also less interested in that kind of emotional roller coaster. I know it's boring to som…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 12:06 AM
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My looks and charm only serve as window dressing, and beyond superficial attention don’t get me much more than a confidence boost. I don't think they will hear you, but this is true. This is why people have to actually work on personality, communication, and the self-awareness and humility to know that plenty of people still aren't going to be into whatever they're serving because that's not how this works. I've had guys who would be viewed as out of my league try and talk and me and I've turned…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 11:48 PM
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Ladies, this is exactly why you need to sharpen your observation skills, have strong and firm boundaries, and really get to know a man. There are mentally unwell men like this who desperately need therapy to help resolve their bitterness and misogyny, who are obviously jealous of women and delusional. I cut off guys like this for their subtle tones in texting and they tried to hide it well, but if your eyes are open and you have a high bar for respect without it crossing into love bombing, you c…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 11:36 PM
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I work in the nonprofit sector, so I've supported a lot of boys and men through my work. I've worked with a few youth programs where we help young boys and girls from low income backgrounds through education, empowerment, help with college, keeping them in productive and creative spaces, arts programs, STEM programming, etc. I worked at a nonprofit that provided transitional employment for previously incarcerated people, most of whom were men (we provided a lot of physical labor jobs through cit…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 10:57 PM
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As someone who is a leftist and in organizing spaces, I think everyone has to really take the time to consider what their values are. The values promoted in those circles may not completely work for you, who knows. I hate watch conservative content online and there are some who claim to have previously been leftists. I find myself struggling to believe whether or not they ever actually really understood the philosophy or meaning behind a lot of it. But it's good for all of us to take the time to…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 10:46 PM
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Like I said, whoever doesn't like it won't like it, but that's my advice to everyone. My bf has been in therapy before and is currently ending another series of therapy sessions. Several men in my social circles have gone to therapy. My circles aren't yours though. You have to keep in mind that we all have different social circles and different socio-economic groups. Also, you are not describing the average man. Someone who gets absolutely no matches on any dating apps and equally zero luck in p…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 10:07 PM
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This is actually very valid on third places. And it's not even just on the spaces themselves, but the cultural shift toward less socialization. Young people have also been especially impacted by the pandemic's physical and social isolation. Experts in the mental health profession have been talking about the epidemic of loneliness experienced by young people today and it's no joke. High rates of depression, suicide, anxiety and then a collapsed social reality didn't help Gen Z, that's for sure. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 08:06 PM
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You think gaps in political views are due to men thinking the juice is not worth the squeeze? Read the first article again please lol You just glazed over everything
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 07:55 PM
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I have an answer, but you're probably not going to like it. You should consult a therapist first and foremost. Find the right therapist, ofc. You may not jive with everyone. So many people out here need to work on themselves to improve their social outcomes in general and dig deeper into some real questions and self-awareness points that will make you a better partner in whatever relationships you end up in - and they will also help you choose healthier partner options. So I say therapists and m…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 07:45 PM
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Here's a great explanation: https://medium.com/@NicoleBarbaro/why-men-have-more-sex-partners-than-women-8bc49baa6e6c#:~:text=And%2C%20as%20mathematicians%20would%20predict,variance%2C%20however%2C%20remain%20different.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 08:02 AM
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We can't ignore homosexual relationships in practice though, especially not in 2023, and there are a variety of other factors that affect different subsets From what I read, researchers aren't completely sure that men don't sleep with more people on average, and posit that it's a possibility or likelihood that men over report. However, they're not over reporting by a little bit in the results. The differences in some studies are like double what women report. I'd argue that if we include LGBT me…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 03:38 AM
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You are not good at math, are you. It's mathematically impossible for the average number of partners of heterosexual men and women to be different. ​ It isn't and the fact that you actually just said that lets me know that you definitely aren't good at math. You don't even need math to realize how incorrect your statement is. I kind of feel embarrassed for you, but you put it out there, so... *shrug* But yeah, you're incorrect. Stats consistently show differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 09:17 PM
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Statistically, men, on average, have more sexual partners than women do, so this is most likely objectively false about Western women being more into casual sex than Western men. Either men are having more romantic relationships than women are, and therefore more sexual partners, or they're having more casual sex too. Western women are also usually having sex with Western men, you know lmao The answer as to why other cultures are different on sex has to do with women's rights and conservative va…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 05:34 PM
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There is none in 2023. I think people will gravitate to people who are providing what they want in some way, for better or worse. For many people, it's gravitating toward submissive vs. dominant people. My bf and I are both dominant types and we work really well together. Before me, he was usually with submissive and more introverted and quieter women. I'm the most dominant, talkative, extroverted and demanding woman he's been with and he wants to marry me. It just happens how it happens. I thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 05:17 PM
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My biggest epiphany around dating happened before I started seriously dating anyone - the work I put into understanding and loving myself is the same energy I will show up with in life for other people, to a large extent and especially when it comes to close relationships with people. How we treat other people is often an extension of how we treat ourselves. Learning to be kinder and more compassionate to myself, how to analyze subconscious patterns or intrusive thoughts, and how to choose self-…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 02:58 AM
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I completely disagree. As I mentioned already, marriage is one of the major ways many people build wealth together and create a stronger investment in their children than either parent could alone. So for the vast majority of people, it's going to make a major impact on how they raise their children in terms of economic advantage and the social and psychological impacts of that disadvantage. Until we rework our economic structure, not being married is just objectively a bad decision for building…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 07:38 PM
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I do think it's both, yes. Thus all the other factors that I mentioned. Marriage on its own in USA isn't so much of a potently oppressive force as the surrounding issues. But it goes both ways in terms of outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 12:25 AM
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There's research on all of this that does counter ideals on alternative lifestyles, for sure. I still support people's right to not marry or do anything traditional. Its a personal decision and just because I think the data is convincing for my own life doesn't mean it has to convince anyone else. I don't think we should be blind or delusional though. If the data is there from from credible sources and is replicated to show the same outcomes as a pattern, I think we should pay attention. I suspe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 06:49 PM
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It's kind of an odd question. How can something be obsolete if it's by definition...not obsolete? Plenty of people still get married and value marriage. Those people should be able to get married, if they want to. I'm very leftist, but I personally started dating seriously specifically to find a husband. I totally support alternative forms of living, but unfortunately, the data still shows worse outcomes for unmarried couples and for the children to those couples. Even cohabitation before engage…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 10:46 PM
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It's not a matter of misunderstanding - these men who represent the red pill / manosphere are very clear about what being a high value man means to them. If they just happen to be extremely loud minority with a ton of followers, that's an issue for you all. The rest of us will judge by what is being sold as TRP's message for men. The alpha bullshit is even illogical at times. Someone just made a thread here a little while about beta bux being men who provide for women outside of sexual appeal. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 11:46 AM
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Everyone has to make that decision themselves, but I think American / Western women are better off waiting. Young marriages, age gaps with older men generally have worse outcomes when it comes to divorce, young women are just learning about themselves and what healthy relationships look like and what boundaries are. Getting married and choosing men when you're at that stage psychologically is notoriously a bad idea. It's also one of the reasons that young women don't have better options actually…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 11:26 AM
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Hey, if men's advice is working for you and not makiing you super bitter, self conscious, and misogynistic then by all means... I'd advise an average guy to reconsider randomly approach any woman of interest because it just seems like an irrational way of meeting women in this day and age and men seem to struggle with that level of confidence. It seems like low return on effort but if it's working for you and you have the self confidence to withstand it, and you're not creepy or inappropriate, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 07:23 AM
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“Sexism. Im talking about sexism. YOU are not talking about sexism. You’re just listing problems people can have and pretending its misogyny. Im not playing that game.” Lol So what really happens is people explain things to you and you just tell them that they’re wrong when they actually know more than you do about the subjects at hand. I think we get what’s happening in these situations you complain about now, if it wasn’t obvious in the first place. I don’t need to repeat myself. You’re wrong …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 02:39 AM
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More like, “logically doesn’t make sense as a system,” but sure. You’re welcome!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 06:27 PM
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I assume you mean 10 in terms of conventionally hot physical looks for women and that’s all, right? Hard to say every man agrees on what a 10 is but that’s another discussion. Even some cultures have standards of beauty that vary wildly. What’s viewed as a 10 among Japanese men will usually be very very different from what is a 10 for most Ghanaian men, even in America. And then there are different individual preferences. But for sake of conversations, I’ll assume you’re talking about what we co…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 06:15 PM
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This should also be a lesson for you in moving the goal post when you barely understand what you’re talking about. I was happy to leave this contained to the topic of your post, but you foolishly asked me to explain histories of misogyny and systemic oppression to you. If you didn’t want a response explaining those things, you shouldn’t have asked for it and should have kept this conversation contained the topic of your post. Stick to what you know and can discuss is my suggestion.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 05:53 PM
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“You said sexism. Issues related to being a woman does not automatically mean sexism.” I think this goes back to you not understanding what sexism is, which I tried to address in my initial comment. I’m not responsible for your lack of ability to comprehend concepts. As you said, you can consult google for further learning on this. Also, you did specifically ask me about systemic oppression. Systemic issues / oppression related to women’s material realities is sexism. “Those are the issues about…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 05:47 PM
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(I posted the same thing twice. Deleted the double post.)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 05:23 PM
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Yeah but I think wanting and being desperate for relationships are different. A lot of young women when I was in college May have liked the idea of a relationship but many wanted to focus on education, career, friends, family, and travel. The ones who wanted relationships were a mixed back. I’m my experience, most weren’t desperate for one. And the relationships were super immature, ofc, so afterward often times they wanted breaks or to go party or live freely, etc. Then there’s hookup culture o…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 05:15 PM
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Part 2 : “I’m not going to bother talking to anyone that who has to be educated like a child on what popular known concepts are. also, we have the Internet, they can Google it.” Oh, dear. I’m going to re-paste the comment here again so you can re-read it and try to work on those reading comprehension skills: You’ve also swept over potential evidence to try to make it appear that others haven’t explained what the sexism is. In your example where sexism is proven, someone is quoting what someone s…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 05:00 PM
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First: Explaining how you sound in the tone of your post shouldn’t be viewed as the same thing as an argument that you’ve made a sexist statement in this post. I hope it’s clear that this is not the same thing as arguing that you’ve directly made a sexist statement in this post. These are not the same things and you’re conflating them, so this actually isn’t what you’re talking about in your original post, unless you’re misrepresenting your arguments, which is a “You problem.” And it’s as clear …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 05:00 PM
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This sounds like, “please don’t call out my sexism because I don’t like hearing it” tbh. I also don’t think you understand what sexism is. Sexism is systemic and touches basically everyone and everything. Misandry is largely a myth, imo. Misogyny is baked into most modern societies along with sexist structures against women historically. You’ve also swept over potential evidence to try to make it appear that others haven’t explained what the sexism is. In your example where sexism is proven, som…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 03:39 PM
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Yup, exactly. I'm convinced red pill ideology is mostly just a revenge fantasy of misogyny and jealousy, with very little reality sprinkled in.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 09:25 PM
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Well, I won't be calling the women bimbos, but yes, they definitely tend to welcome women who are less equipped to handle their kind of aggression in a debate or even be knowledgeable about many topics. They choose women who are easily run over while Myron is aggressive and talks nonsense for hours. They kick out or get aggressive with a lot of the ones who bring actual data and challenge them. The funniest part is Myron has straight up said he doesn't think high value men should get married and…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 09:23 PM
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What are you saying exactly? Men gain some and lose some as well on average, in terms of sexual ability and physical appearance, health, etc. Are you arguing that women don't grow throughout their lives or don't understand what women are attracted to while being women? lol What are you saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 06:50 PM
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Oh, okay. Things are different for us - most people get married much later and not to their high school sweeheart. 30s is prime dating / marrying age where I've lived, so I never understand the "women hit the wall at 30" red pill stuff but it probably holds more truth in other countries or in rural areas, for example. Except it's probably just as true for men. Socio-economics matters too though. In my socio-economic group, getting married later is always more common. Plenty of educated, white co…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 06:46 PM
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Oh, yeah, Myron is trash. I hate watch that show and they suck at actually arguing, are misogynist af, and lack logical reasoning and critical thinking skills (or intentionally misguide their audience to keep things on brand). Truly gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 06:31 PM
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Both you and women who share your views can be misogynist, yes. This isn't new. Women can perpetuate misogyny and often do.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 06:29 PM
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That's okay. Please stay single then and find the happiness of a full life focused on self-love and learning. There's so much more to life than romantic relationships. Just because some men are into it, doesn't mean that all men need to be. Good Luck!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 06:27 PM
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I do agree that women who are desperate for relationships definitely exist, but they do seem much less common. That could just be because the desperate men of the world have become a very loud vocal minority in ways women typically don't express their loneliness, especially online, or it could be actually true that women are less likely to be as desperate. I think her point is that women have social realities and pursue those realities in ways that may leave them less likely to be all-consumed w…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 06:23 PM
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Plenty of men have opinions and aren't demonized as evil. Specific opinions are though. Let's not be dense. If you espouse hateful, misogynist, sexist ideas, don't act surprised when there's a reaction. Now, if no such ideas were espoused and there were no violations of Reddit's terms/agreements as a private company, then that's certainly not fair, ofc.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 05:49 PM
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Just curious - what is your socio-economic and regional space? In major cities, it's very common for women to be single, but in more rurual areas or perhaps in suburbia, it may be less common.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 05:44 PM
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This is somewhat true. Girls and women also struggle from mental health issues and loneliness and also experience a dip in mental health quality when in relationships and married, compared to married men who benefit from marriage when it comes to mental health and just about everything else. But women do likely have more social support structures. And our patriarchy socializes men to push their more vulnerable expressions of feelings aside to be masculine and that also harms men. So their friend…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 05:41 PM
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I personally did that with some guys because I’m not interested in raising children with a broke dude generally. I fear that struggle too hard, I’m sorry. Going through pregnancy and raising children is hard enough but being comfortable in an expensive city too with someone who makes less than I do? That’s a lot for me. I did get feelings for a broke artist I lived with once, so we can’t protect ourselves completely lol The feels be feeling. If you don’t care about the struggle life and it’s all…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 12:40 AM
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Women having greater access to sex in our society doesn’t mean men don’t have the ability to decline sex that they’re not interested in having lol If a man isn’t attracted to a woman physically or emotionally/romantically and doesn’t want sex because of that reason even if she shows interest, is committed and doesn’t want to cheat, doesn’t want to violate ethics or laws, has a low libido or erectile dysfunction, has crippling body image issues, has mental health issues that put him a state where…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 12:21 AM
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Men are human dildos, didn’t you know? Basic logic doesn’t often work here, so I wouldn’t hold my breath. There are a lot of bitter men who reason with emotions instead of logic here so : “I personally don’t have much success with women or options” = “men don’t also equally decide to engage in sex. They’re desperate and don’t have options so they wait for whatever trickle comes through” Projection and poor critical thinking skills
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 12:12 AM
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So do you not think there should be an age of consent then basically?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 10:23 PM
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That doesn’t really answer my question, but okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 10:13 PM
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Ah, the online sexist male revenge fantasy that has little to no basis in reality. Seems appropriate for this kind of post. It's kind of crazy that you all think these are the reasons that women warn young women about dating older men. Even the young girls think they're creepy half the time. I'm 34 and my views on this were the same at 16. I thought it was disgusting as a teenager. Was I bitter then too or is there another reason I didn't like it? Genuine question.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 09:57 PM
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Do you think 23 year olds should be dating 17 year olds in general or that your relationship was an exception for xyz reasons? Just curious. Personally, that kind of thing should stay in someone's fantasies imo. 17 is super young for a grown adult to be dating imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 09:51 PM
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Yup, or even to not be a gold digger but care about a prospect's financial success and career ambition.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 09:50 PM
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Being too young and naive is a state of being, whether or not it feels fair to you. Perhaps the delivery could be more strategic and effective, I'd agree there. Young people who could be helped won't receive dismissive communication and that could keep them in relationships they shouldn't be in. The reality is that most young people won't understand healthy relationships or issues with age gaps until they get older. Being naive and lacking education and experience are a part of that, whether or …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 09:47 PM
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Being secure and stable as a single person is different than being stable and secure as a mother with at least one child and husband. It's basic math, and many women have the foresight to understand how expensive building a family would be. I'm secure and stable now, but that doesn't mean I would raise a family on my one income in my expensive city. Then I'd be...not secure and stable lol I think that logic only works if you're not concerned with having a family or getting married. Even when sin…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 04:48 PM
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I'm confused by the question, tbh. Everyone needs money and stability, especially if they want to have children. Are you asking why white collar women would date white collar men or are you asking why they would marry a wall street guy? I thought the premise was someone married to an accountant. White collar doesn't mean millionaire, it's just a term for specific types of work. If you don't know what it means, google is your friend. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/w/whitecollar.asp#:~:text=A%…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 06:52 PM
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I fully support you, 100%. Well, maybe not in your possible targeting of young women, if you eventually choose to go that route, but in your decision to leave me out of it. I definitely would want no part in whatever trauma response this is that you're displaying, and I think a man like this would make the worst partner for me and my relationship needs. I think you're doing women my age (I'm almost 34) a favor. There are good men without extreme levels of bitterness who are well adjusted, have a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 03:24 PM
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"Someone likes the color orange, so if you're wearing the color orange and they're dating you, then they only like your shirt. They can't genuinely like you as well." "Poverty is hard and makes people miserable. So if a woman is miserable because of poverty, it means she only wants a man for his money and can't genuinely have feelings for him. Only happy poor women genuinely like their men." What is, logical reasoning for 500.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 03:00 PM
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I agree with you, except I don't believe there is a wall. The wall sounds like a revenge fantasy for men. But I'm curious, as you seem to be somewhere in the middle, what are the major consequences of "hitting the wall" then? I thought hitting the wall was the consequence - a sudden lack of romantic and sexual desirability that reshapes women's lives. To make this a somewhat logical-ish argument/conclusion (it's not a logically sound conclusion, but we can try), we need to understand what are th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 02:49 PM
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Also I've also heard red pillers here talk about "betabux" men and how tending to women's non-sexual needs makes you a weaker man or something, so I'm not even sure what kinds of needs can be met for women under red pill relationships. I can only go by what I read. There's a lot manipulation and neglect encouraged by the red pill and manosphere, so I'm also not even sure these women would have fulfilling relationships longterm to the extent that cheating would even have the same weight it would …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 02:35 PM
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Here's the problem. If you're accepting an ideology that encourages men to value youth, I find it hard to believe that: 1.) He isn't going to be specifically turned on by youth, even more than most men, and 2.) That once she's no longer very young, his specific psychology isn't going to itch even more for a younger woman. If normal men who aren't immersed in this ideology often cheat for various reasons, one possibly being attraction to younger women, I think it's highly likely that men who are …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 02:31 PM
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Not sure what this has do with narcissism - more like survival, desperation, and feelings. If women's survival is tied to their value in the sexual market place, and the red pill is correct that its specifically tied to her youth, fertility, and beauty, then her options are limited. The red pill also says women who have careers are also less desirable because focusing on careers breeds masculine energy. For the red pill perspective, women literally have very little logical incentive to leave and…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 01:50 PM
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According to the red pill, she has lost her value so actually leaving to find another relationship would be counterproductive and foolish. Her best interest would be served by cheating discreetly and keeping her relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 09:20 AM
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According to the red pill, she has lost her value so actually leaving to find another relationship would be counterproductive and foolish. Her best interest would be served by cheating discreetly and keeping her relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 09:19 AM
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Not all of us lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 09:17 AM
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How does that relate to their argument though? Knowing that her partner thinks she’s a less desirable option and that he would exchange her for the Ferrari (and possibly will, as material success or status may or may not increase throughout a marriage) seems to fit into OP’s argument. Why shouldn’t she go out and cheat to find men who either do find her hot and feel lucky to score, making her feel the desirability that misses because she has lost value due to aging? As OP has said, whether or no…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 09:14 AM
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It may depend on where you live and what you do for a living. What he’s saying actually isn’t out of bounds, in terms of access to wealthy men, if you have a white collar career and live in a major city. My father was insecure about my mom socializing with judges and lawyers, as she works in state government and started as a courts clerk. I moved to NYC and you could definitely meet finance and Wall Street bros here easily, but if you’re not in certain socio-economic groups, it would take more e…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 08:48 AM
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Yeah except many men here are arguing that it significantly affects overall desirability and talk about older women in ways that do seem kind of problematic for long term attraction. If there’s no major consequence for her losing her youth, what’s the point in focusing on it so much in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 08:45 AM
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You people love to make up realities with no objective evidence to create a logically sound argument. The average age for first marriage is now late 20s - early 30s for women, depending on the state you live in. Aside from the fact that plenty of men are happy marrying 40 year olds, your argument here is based on incorrect assumptions that don't match actual data. I live in NYC and in my social circle alone (and based on objective data), plenty of people are getting married in their mid-late 20s…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 06:47 AM
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I think this is where the waters on this are muddy. It sounds like you all are saying some of the same things in different language. "Backup Plan" is often another way of describing maturity and being realistic after being young and having a dumb outlook on relationships. A lot of young 18 year olds have no concept of a healthy relationship or what matters most. If they change their minds as they get older, it can just be equal to growing up. I would agree that being realistic isn't the same as …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 06:07 PM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 12:04 AM
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Very true. I have friends now in our 30s who are preparing to possibly do it on their own in the future. Better alone than with the wrong guy
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 12:01 AM
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Modern medicine is the only reason a ton of things are possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 11:59 PM
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Thank you. This entire post is almost all trash 😂 Ladies please only consider information from credibly sources and talk to your own gynecologists/doctors about what your odds are for fertility.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 11:54 PM
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I actually did reference research lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 05:22 PM
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What are you referring to exactly? Psychologists and social scientists who explain these things are sometimes men and they also don’t need to be men to evaluate patients/society. Research does show that men are happier and have better outcomes with mental health and life when married. Facts are facts, idk what to tell you
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 01:39 PM
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Yup and women have closer friendship and family bonds, in terms of the things they discuss and share. Part of this is because of sexism/patriarchy and the way men are conditioned to bottle things up, not be vulnerable or weak because it makes them pussies, etc. They're not conditioned to be emotionally mature or seek that connection and vulnerability outside of romantic love, which isn't healthy. It may also be a natural disadvantage partly, but I don't think we know this yet. Researchers alread…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 07:22 PM
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And this is why women shouldn’t take these men seriously and why I stopped caring about splitting bills and why my empathy on this forum has limitations. A lot of men (especially here) are still struggling to respect us as human beings. They don’t like feminism for a reason and their logical reasoning is piss poor to begin with - it’s worse when you hear the bitterness come through in posts like his comment. They’re hateful and jealous of women at their core and don’t actually care about you. We…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 07:24 AM
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I understand that it seems that way to you. Frequency of dates is a little different of a topic than the idea that 80% of women are actively just gunning for the top 20%. I’m sure women do get more dates. Whether or not the average guy goes two years with no dates - I don’t believe this but I’m open to any credible data that exists on this. But I think goes back to what I keep trying to narrow down in another thread - who’s average? All the average guys (imo) I’ve had conversations with about da…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 01:34 AM
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Sorry, work task. My bf and I have talked about looking at pictures and we both feel like there's a notable difference between looking and engaging. So we would strongly disagree with that. It's a psychologically different thing and veers on cheating for us - like if you were sexting or sending nasty texts to someone. Very different from observing someone walking by in a bikini or your partner wearing a bikini without you controlling them. Completely different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 09:57 PM
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I don't think that logic checks out fully, but I understand that people feel like it makes sense. To me "I want to post revealing pictures" doesn't = "you should be liking and commenting on other women's pictures"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 09:52 PM
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Disagree. The idea that women never date less attractive men is so out of touch with what I see in reality. It's comically ridiculous that anyone would actually believe that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 09:45 PM
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You're conflating a lot of things here though. First and foremost, criticizing men's standards may have nothing to do with your own partner. Many women who feel this way would probably dump a controlling partner or just mutually decide they don't share the same values. We can still identify what seems controlling and sexist or toxic and be in relationships based on compromise and respect for partners' boundaries. Those partners should share general sphere of values though. No one has to compromi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 09:34 PM
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I can acknowledge that cause for dating burn out. My point is that dating burn out can also be caused by other realities as well, those that men here want to disregard and say aren't as impactful, which is bullshit. But 100%, I can agree with that. I don't agree with the idea that men do all the groundwork at all though. They're expected to approach, sure. I don't think 20 year old dudes should be getting married in the first place. That's arguably a horrible idea. And while I think it is defini…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 06:39 PM
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I'm not just talking about seeing two people standing near each other. I'm talking about obvious families with their children together, kids calling the parents mom and dad and obviously ringed up and married. I have friends and associates, and I've known the people they have dated throughout the years. I went to college and lived in dorms and actually spoke to people and learned basic things about their lives. I have had too many roommate situations to count - living abroad in homestay situatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 06:28 PM
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I’m confused. Where is this from?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 06:15 PM
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Yeah, 100%. I know it does and loneliness is something mental health experts are describing as extremely detrimental to health. I get that, but I don’t agree with nor do I like this “we have it harder than women” posturing, given the issues women face systemically and socially. We have a long history of oppressing women. We also have a long history of average men being oppressed. We can acknowledge that male privilege is a thing and that women are actively harmed in ways men are not and have to …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 06:13 PM
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I see women dating men who are not as attractive as they are all the time lololol I actually think they do it more. And I also know a lot of women who date down in terms of jobs, success. It may not be the majority but that doesn’t mean it’s uncommon.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 01:03 PM
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I wonder why our economic structure here in the USA doesn’t reflect that hmmm (or in most other counties if not all) I guess we’ll never know. Also sometimes the lower income guys (if that’s how we are defining the percentages) shoot themselves in the foot or don’t like the average girl. Then rich guy comes in and adores her instead. This has happened to women I know and to me actually. My bf is more like very very upper middle class but definitely in the top 20% of income earners - maybe top 5-…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 12:53 PM
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Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 12:30 PM
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Ah, okay. 5% is such a small percentage of the male population that it goes back to my previous point. Those 5% of men are not facing the same challenges that the vast majority of men are facing and honestly shouldn't be online arguing with women about how they have it worse. Their situation is outside of the majority's experience with dating and relationships, so imo they're inflating men's struggles by applying a tiny minority's experience and representing that as "the male dating experience."…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 05:54 AM
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I wasn't born here. I live here now. I've also lived abroad and traveled to and lived in other cities. I see average people together everywhere. So again, where is this place where average people aren't dating, fucking, and marrying each other? Seriously, I want answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 05:23 AM
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Yeah, I am also just still not buying this to a certain degree. What is bottom tier exactly? Most of my family is poor and I've seen all kinds of men in relationships. They're not the men I'm dating, but other women are definitely dating them. If we are *literally* talking no options whatsoever, I'm skeptical about who we are talking about. The vast majority of men do not face 0% options. Men are traditionally valued for their ability to provide and there are tons of broke guys getting laid. Eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 05:13 AM
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Most women don't chase men though, not really. For 80% of women to be chasing men would be an interesting dynamic in dating, especially given how much men complain here about having to pursue. How are they chasing them exactly? And if that were true, there's no misconstruing anything - if 80% of women are holding out and pursuing the top 20% of men, then they are by definition not dating the bottom 80%. The impact on men would be the same - pursuing to date and ignoring the rest of men or actual…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 01:18 AM
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Honestly! Where are these people living where average men aren't literally everyyywhereee fucking and getting married?? Seriously - where tf are they? Science needs to know and so do we lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 01:13 AM
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These people have departed rational concepts and what's happening in reality a while ago. But yes, this bullshit they bring up makes literally no sense. It would quite literally be an entirely different world in terms of social order and economics. They often say monogamy was created so that average joes could have a woman, instead of rich men having large harems. These men haven't seen what "80% of women only date 20% of men" really looks like or they'd really be crying.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 01:11 AM
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The vast majority of men aren't alone forever though. You used the word normal in your post - that isn't a normal experience for men. So if we're talking about people who will legitimately be alone forever, you're no longer talking about a man vs woman thing. That's an objectively small portion of the population. For what it's worth, I actually did think I'd likely be alone forever at some point in my youth. My mom also thought the same. Our experiences are different from yours most likely, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 01:06 AM
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TLDR: You have no empathy for women and are extremely ignorant about what women deal with and shouldn't be speaking about it at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 12:52 AM
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I think we have worse struggles, but that's from my perspective. lol "But women have shitty options" So you are saying EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM doesn't meet your standards? ​ Filtering through shitty options is exhausting. You can't rationally think all women have endless energy and willpower to keep sorting through bs without becoming jaded, can you? Then if she's tired and jaded, you all complain about that too. A lot of men want women on the market as young as possible, then when that young w…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 12:08 AM
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Exactly, except it's not just nature to many of us - these are also conditioned gender roles as well. Women take on the lion's share of domestic labor and child rearing, on top of the physical labor of having children, even when they work full time. Things are not equal, so I realized the flaw in my own logic as a feminist calling for 50/50 splits in finances in dating. Not that it's bad, but until men are mobilized to take on more child rearing and domestic labor, and supporting women's ability…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 12:25 PM
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These are your feelings, and you're entitled to them, but nothing about that makes logical sense on its own. And men are the ones who set up these standards and traditions in the first place, even insisting on them. If you want to be upset with someone, be upset with men. It's interesting that you seem to be simmering in your loathing toward women and glazing over that fact - even this poster is highlighting that it's a tradition that men in her life/culture uphold. The men literally don't want …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 12:19 PM
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You're definitely not equipped and you glaze over obvious things that inconvenience your poor argument. Next.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 08:41 AM
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Exactly, it's all bs. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 08:27 AM
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If you feel that way, then just don't date women. Problem solved. You shouldn't engage with people that you believe don't care about you and want to use you. That seems unhealthy. Having said that, some women want the kind of relationship you want. When I was a very young feminist, I idealized that. Not anymore, that's for sure, but I know women who do want that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 08:24 AM
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Clearly you can't read because men are saying the same thing about individual tasks, which was my point. Not being able to calculate something isn't the only way to determine what is happening. If you're not equipped for this conversation, you can also just see yourself out at this point really. If you don't care about how women feel and what their experiences are, you can just say you're a misogynist and save us so many messages back and forth. Like what's the value in talking to you then?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 02:23 AM
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And I disagree with you for the reasons I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 02:19 AM
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An excuse for what? Women don't owe anyone a relationship. It's a choice on what we want to do with our lives, not an excuse. A woman could say she wants to spend her 20s focused on trying different brands of cereal and she still wouldn't owe anyone shit when it comes to relationships. There's no "excuse" needed. Personally, I'm definitely glad I didn't date in college, but dating could have been a good experience too. I didn't get involved with anyone until later and much later for serious rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 02:09 AM
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Okay. I was just clarifying for the OP that it's not just about the things he listed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 01:21 AM
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Strongly disagree, and I know I'm not signing up for the kind of marriage that is still common, where the woman works full time just like the man does and also does most of the domestic labor. It's just not acceptable to me and never will be. Other people can do what they want, ofc. My bf actually works less than I do and gets paid way more, in our situation lol And if you add on my commute time vs his working from home, I spend more time on work overall. I'd say some situations are different. F…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 01:17 AM
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I'm confused, did you mean to reply to someone else, or what? Yes, this comment is about me and my relationship. I think I started the comment off saying as much, so what's your point exactly? Who said men couldn't have their own standards? I don't think I said that anywhere. Women need to also know they don't have to accept any given man's standards and to hold their own. That's the point of my post. If you don't want to compromise in your relationships, that has nothing to do with me. Do what …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 11:48 PM
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Red pill ideology seems almost completely based on misogyny, so obviously. They also don't like career women who have an education, as that breeds masculinity in their book, so add that to the list. Also, liberals in general, they don't like women who challenge their logic effectively - will brand it as argumentative and not submissive, and they believe older women have hit an expiration date past 30 more or less. Very young, very submissive, no education or career is the ideal for them. Also, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 11:24 PM
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To each her own, but I 100% feel you on the reality that many/still most men do not pull their weight on domestic labor at all and that shit needs to change. My solution to this has been communication, boundaries, and practice. This is going to sound super extra, but it's all relevant imo, as these things are connected. Part One is boundaries. My bf and I have been together for a year and half and actively discuss marriage, engagement, kids, etc. I'm 33 and went into this era of serious dating o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 07:52 PM
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Who's the one who just asked people to shut up - you or me? I think you should focus on what's driving your own desire to silence people before you speak about anyone else avoiding challenges, my dear. And I also get not getting it, since you clearly don't care about empathy and that was all bs. I can see someone like that completely not understanding people who actually care.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 03:40 PM
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No, we can't. Ignoring systemic issues that affect / determines people's lives to make other people feel comfortable is also the absolute opposite of being empathetic. lmao Just say you don't care about people and be honest about your shit. Why try to pretend it's anything else?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 02:58 PM
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That’s kind of your implication though. Why wouldn’t she just get a successful liberal guy? I can’t see any situation in my reality where I would need to be with a conservative man, as a leftist ( not liberal, but still). My bf is leftist/anarchist and very financially successful. There are plenty of successful men who are liberal. I don’t know of literally any liberal women who found that they “needed” to be with a conservative man. Where does this happen exactly? What country or region? I do l…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 12:20 PM
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Not many people lie that well tbh. I’ve caught guys trying to do the old “telling her what she wants to hear” - it doesn’t work as well with all kinds of women. I have intense conversations and value depth a lot. I ask a lot of probing questions as a part of that. If you’re not telling the truth about being conservative, you’ll most likely look either dumb or like you dont know what you believe in. And I doubt you’d want to put up the front that long, unless there’s something off about you. And …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 12:15 PM
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Absolutely. It depends on the people too though. I’m very political and values matter a lot to me about a person, including political values. They tell me a lot about how you view other people, who you think matters, what your concept of goodness is, and it’s a pretty direct extension of your morality. I never understand people who don’t pay attention to political values in dating. I’m also interested in marriage and probably having a kid, so values in general are top tier. But even when I was m…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 12:04 PM
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Having sexual desires is something women also experience. Not being able to be loyal and respect your commitments or your word to someone in monogamy has nothing to do with sexual desires and urges. It's about your character, psychology, commitment to your relationship, and how much you respect and love your partner. In addition to that, it can also be about your connection with your partner and feeling like something is missing. And it can be about emotional immaturity when it comes to handling…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 12:37 AM
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Did you read the post at all? How is this relevant?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 01:05 PM
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Divorce rates are percentages of the whole. So of the people getting married, there are fewer divorces. Hypothetically, there could be an increase in divorce even if there’s a decrease in marriage. Those two things aren’t logically intertwined - you have to look deeper into historical and sociological-economic context. For example, Boomers had an astronomically high divorce rate compared to generations where women couldn’t legally get divorced. The key difference isn’t the number of marriages, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 07:02 PM
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How does that = lower divorce rates for millenials, if there was more reason for women to stick around in past generations? If that were the main reason, the previous generation would have lower divorce rates than we do. Explain your logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 10:34 PM
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Is this directed toward the other poster?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 10:17 PM
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Exactly - people who think everything is horrible today ignore data. (USA data) Millenials have lower divorce rates for a reason. Not everything that lasts should last and we arguably can have stronger foundations for marriage as we marry older, according to stats. Now, where things get interesting is that research has found a growing class divide when it comes to marriage - higher educated and higher income women (and people in general) have lower divorce rates and higher likelihood of getting …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 06:21 PM
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As a fat girl, I kind of love when they slip up and say that because a lot of the men complaining are just as picky as we women are, they just like to leave that part out. And being fat isn't even the only thing or the worst. There are plenty of women with deformities or developmental issues who have good hearts and want to find love. These guys like to complain as if they don't have preferences and then get bitter about our preferences too. It's comically sad tbh. Nothing wrong with preferences…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:32 PM
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Probably. This is probably also what they to do to the many women who would be interested in them as well. You're onto something
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:24 PM
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I agree with what the woman above said - women focus on socializing more to benefit themselves in general and definitely to meet more men. I even heard a podcast recently where the women were lamenting the old advice of meeting men in social situations, as many men aren't always present in situations like volunteering, church, etc. But women do put themselves out there a lot to try and be in social orbit and meet guys. Aside from that, women are more directly groomed on attracting men from a you…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:06 PM
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100%
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 02:46 PM
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If I had the money to, for a short, temporary time, yes. He would have to move out of his apartment though, as he makes significantly more money than I do and his rent is also much higher. We don’t live together yet, as I want to wait until engagement/marriage for that and we discuss our options for that now, he saves up for a down payment for us to buy something once we’re married, etc. I only make 80k (right now, will go up over time) and he makes about 300-400k+. In NYC. He has more savings a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 04:24 PM
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Putting in effort doesn’t necessarily mean approaching men though. That’s where this suggestion fails. Women put a lot of effort into finding partners and some could do with some different strategies or perspectives, but approaching men may not solve her problems or even work for finding the man she wants. So yes and no. But there’s nothing wrong with approaching, if she wants to!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 04:09 PM
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Look at your choices. My bf doesn't have to hide tears from me. He doesn't have to worry about me thinking he's a "pussy" for being a human. I don't want a man who refuses to be fully human. Men need some non-misogynist help with developing self-love and self-respect - that's the crux of the issue. Society conditions these parameters of men not being able to express any emotions because it violates a social archetype of what masculinity is. You can and should choose to leave any relationship lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 07:08 PM
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Data that shows women who have more sexual, romantic, or other experiences with men having less favorable opinions of men is something you could actually measure through research, yes, if it exists. There are a lot of studies that find correlations between emotional responses and actions, behaviors and other traits. It's pretty standard. Whether or not that's misandry is probably a bigger issue, but it would be related if you're arguing women espouse these opinions out loud and openly and theref…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 08:30 PM
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Do you mean why should *you* commit or what are the objective benefits beyond your feelings? I believe research has found married men have better mental health, live longer, make more money, etc. than men who have never been married on average. There are pretty strong economic and health reasons for men to get married. The opposite isn't necessarily true for women. The data shows women have a dip in mental health, confidence when married compared to single women, for example. Also, for whatever …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 06:32 PM
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I'm fat, many people find me attractive / hot / pretty, and I'm extremely picky - always have been. More basement level logic from a man who is clearly struggling to think and failing. No woman I've ever known takes any of these things to mean hitting on or asking someone out lmao If anything, my bf thinks people are hitting on me when I'm not sure or think they're just being friendly. For example, guy coming up and talking to me at a pub when I'm doing work and sitting down to chat with me whil…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 02:49 PM
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Damn, that's so true lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 01:59 PM
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Is there objective data on this or is this just a subjective opinion fueled by emotions/experiences? I'd love to see any credible data on it. This doesn't match reality imo and ime. I have way less experience than many women and my criticism of toxic masculinity and patriarchy seem like "misandry" to some people. I also think society does condition men be less emotionally available, in touch with their feelings, etc. And I believe in holding men accountable for their actions and not this fairyla…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 01:43 PM
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Yeah. And/or an incels forum because not all men will share your circumstances either, as OP has demonstrated. There are definitely women incels. I think they’re called femcels, right?? I think my advice is pretty solid though, but that’s just me, ofc. It also depends on what your goals are, ofc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 12:45 PM
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This is also such a different perspective than women have. There’s a ton of fuss in finding the right guy, holy shit. We expect the fuss. It’s different than men’s experience, but even that depends on the women you’re talking to.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 12:41 PM
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I hear you and agree on ego thing, but Idk this isn’t even just saying it’s a rigged system to me though - it’s just an irrational point of view. Literally everyone who isn’t in some solitary cave sees average men around swinging dick around town or just walking down the street with their partners. You have to be a serious kind of delusional or antisocial to not walk out to the mall, the park, the bar, volunteer groups, etc. and see average people holding hands. Only in very specific circumstanc…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 12:33 PM
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That’s you though. I’m glad the OP said something here because there are a variety of experiences on an open forum. By your reaction to my post, almost no women would be helpful, as women are less likely to have zero options for just sex if they want just sex. In that case, you really want to be on an exclusively male/cis-male forum, for starters. There’s a pretty high chance OP has slept with more people than I have, given his response here lol Edit : And if you don’t want any casual sex, and o…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 12:22 PM
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I’d say that’s correct for the most part for many of us. Political compatibility matters a ton and it’s a very heavy subject when weighing someone’s character and compatible values. I didn’t want to touch a conservative man while single, let along date one, regardless of how attractive they were. I talked to a couple but the looks or even humor were usually not enough to override the political difference, as I’m very far to the left. I guess I was also a bit shocked at how many conservative guys…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 12:07 PM
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There’s a ton of pussy envy here, you’re correct. I think a lot of sexist / red pill takes are based on jealousy and fear of women (misogyny of sorts, ofc). They need to put women in our place to correct an advantage they believe we have. It’s sad but common. Ironic because the sexist system many of them support is part of their problem in regards to access to sex or even dating. And you’re saying what most social, experienced people know. It’s ridiculously asinine to argue that only the “hottes…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 11:59 PM
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What’s the implied subtext exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 11:52 PM
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Many therapists have more affordable group therapy options or sliding scales and Medicaid, for low income people who qualify, covers therapy. But yes, definitely true.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 08:02 PM
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My first thought is therapy to address underlying issues that could be causing you to only like someone every 1-2 years and/or address your expectations or idealisms of what relationships are and what’s realistic to look for in a partner. Learn about why you like so few people and what it possibly says about how you view yourself and what subconscious narratives about yourself are at play too. Other than working on yourself in that way, embrace being single. I didn’t feel desperate when I was si…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 08:15 AM
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Nah, I think there are a lot of variables we would have to look at in each of these studies, but also I think the social conditioning part is likely the largest piece. If women aren’t raised with sexist ideas about sex, less shame, anxiety, sadness, etc. about casual sex. Not to say that would make casual sex something without flaws, just like research shows women in marriages have lower happiness and mental health than single women, but it helps to not have those ideas fed and accepted to begin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 08:08 AM
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The reality is you’re using words incorrectly. Fertility is about ability to conceive, not choice to delay having children. That’s why your point was received poorly - it’s incorrect. Aside from that, there’s some truth to that but it won’t feel very relevant for a while. In the USA, for example, poor people have lower outcomes across the board for their children, so rich kids would continue dominating socially, legally, etc. They’re even more likely to die younger for all kinds of reasons and p…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 07:52 AM
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Hey if you don’t want to do it, then don’t. Dating isn’t for everyone. I chose not to date for a long time when I was very young for multiple reasons. I’d argue dating is supposed to be an interview on both sides basically. Maybe not literally but kind of. Your goal is to see if this is someone you’d want to seriously commit to and if you like them. But it’s what you make of it really.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 07:49 AM
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They often don’t benefit from it though. I watch a lot of red pill podcasts and half of the guys on there don’t even want to get married which makes the advice even more ironic. I guess that makes sense when you consider most of their advice would lead to higher likelihood of divorce but still kind of weird. Others who may want it are listening to them thinking these guys have the answers, that’s all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 07:46 AM
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Don’t agree with the use of the word superior here, but also that doesn’t really directly translate into subjugation, domination, or mistreatment. My bf makes far more money than I do (or more than most people in general) and if he treated me that way, I would leave him. He doesn’t, because the fact that he makes more money doesn’t automatically translate into him being a piece of shit. We’re also the same age, both in our early/mid 30s. See how that works? Similarly, plenty of men, who are obje…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 03:17 PM
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That’s cute. Somebody needs a history book.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 03:06 PM
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Not sure what that means. I’m describing a posited explanation for behavioral changes and outcomes within a specific demographic based on education.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 03:05 PM
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It’s insecurity and old fashioned ideals, trying to have an upper hand over women and romanticized ideals of masculine domination and leadership. Just a lot of ego and emotion, basically. There’s no sound logic to it, especially since research shows that college educated women are more likely to get married and less likely to get divorced and large age gaps have astronomical divorce rates. That’s before all the general pros in having someone educated building your home and family and raising you…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 05:52 AM
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I saw an article saying one of the factors in very young men having less sex could be that they’re falling off when it comes to college enrollment now, where many young people meet their partners. And maybe even after college or off season - you’re probably more likely to meet people in your socio-economic circles, which may largely still center around college educated people for many women. That and economics, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 05:41 AM
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I think maybe you don’t understand the connotations behind your words. Saying all relationships are based on power can easily give people a different impression unless you are extremely clear that you don’t align with its common interpretation. If we’re just talking about attraction and social skills, and not unhealthy relationship dynamics and manipulation or a fear of vulnerability and connection, then being powerful in that way is a good thing for both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 07:59 PM
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I would agree that being charming and sociable are very attractive. The word “power” seems interesting to use here though. You didn’t explicitly say the word resources, but when you talk about others needing you more than you need them, there’s a strong connotation with psychological manipulation and/or resources. Same with stressing self-reliance and capability, in terms of resources. If you didn’t mean resources at all, then I guess that’s my mistake. I may have missed the part where you said …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 07:53 PM
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Yes and No. Feminist here btw - you’ve been warned 😂 Women aspire to a lot of the same things you’ve outlined here as well, btw. Almost all the women in my socio-economic space are working toward more money, career focused, are independent, useful, and capable. It’s absolutely true that the patriarchal model of masculinity that is conditioned into all of us most definitely values men for these things more than women. It’s still important for women’s mating strategies, contrary to what many red p…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 07:38 PM
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I think men need a louder non-misogynist guide to self-respect, self-love, and overall mental health. I think red pill idiots stepped in where there may have been a gap on the social stage in general on dating traditions and how things are changing. So I would challenge the idea that every man can just poof himself into a desirable partner or someone who knows how to process rejection well. They’re even saying loneliness is dangerous to health now and that todays young people are especially lone…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 12:46 PM
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This sounds like you like specific types of women tbh. Maybe you like immature women who are uncompromising. Maybe they seem more fun, more attractive, more something on average to you. You have to do the work to know yourself to find better results. These issues you’ve raised are not issues in my relationship. It seems beyond immature and ridiculous. Who gets upset and petty for days over a choice of restaurant? Why would I not try anything that my partner wants to try? I’m actually probably mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 12:19 AM
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Usually men’s height averages are compared to other men, not to women. 5’10 is average in USA because it’s close to an average height for men, not because of its relation to how tall women are. Women who are 5’8 are considered tall because of how they stack up compared to the average American woman, not because of their relation to how tall men are. 6’ is tall for a man here because it’s notably bigger than the average and the majority of men. By your definition, I’m short because I’m 5’4.5’’ - …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 12:00 AM
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I’m confused, I’m fat and also preferred tall men and am now in a serious relationship with a tall man and we’re discussing plans for marriage. Why do you assume overweight women don’t prefer tall men? O.o I know you said exclusively prefer but I’m getting that vibe that you think overweight women don’t have options to only date tall men. Not really true tbh lol depends on the woman. But I have had a lot of tall men into me. I’ve known women who date a short guy after a tall guy and who date tal…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 09:11 PM
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