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| 1 | Can't we all just get along? Uh...no. A response to Cathy YoungThere's a lot of anger in your post, and I can relate. I've been there. Anger comes from pain, and I can tell you've been hurt pretty badly. I'm sorry for that, I truly am. You didn't deserve that. You don't deserve that. I don't think anything else coming from me will be beneficial at this point. I apologize for the sarcasm and condescension in my other comments. I'm an imperfect human and I'm a work in progress just like everyone. If you're able to accept a kind word from me, I hope you will a… | /r/MensRights | 08/08/13 08:54 PM |
| 0 | Can't we all just get along? Uh...no. A response to Cathy YoungI don't believe you're being sincere due to the snide remark in your comment. Okay? So then why bother responding? I mean, I can point out that it's possible for a person to both be sincere and annoyed at the same time, as I was when I wrote the comment, but you probably already know that and are just saying this because you dislike "feminists" (i.e., the abstract concept you've constructed in your head) and want to goad one into a fight. I don't have the time or energy for that, sorry. You're o… | /r/MensRights | 08/08/13 06:28 PM |
| 1 | Can't we all just get along? Uh...no. A response to Cathy YoungAnd this is the message that every single feminist bar-none comes into this forum to express. I'm a feminist. I think it's incredibly important to have a separate movement for men's rights, because feminism focuses on women's issues, which is a totally legitimate thing to do, but which means that it isn't fair to ask people who care about men's rights to pretend that feminism focuses on the same things they want to. Oh gee, look at that. Overly-broad blanket statements are pretty easy to contrad… | /r/MensRights | 08/08/13 04:31 AM |
| 2 | Great article on what's wrong with saying a man should not have an opinion on abortion.It appears that we are both baffled by each other's perceptions of women's pregnancy. Your claim, as I understand it, is that women's pregnancy is "sickness for months, ridiculous body changes and hormone fueled mood swings, labor, and popping a small watermelon out of an much smaller hole" and any pleasures they receive from it is "a sense of wonder and "isn't that neat" at the idea that a baby is growing inside them". No; that isn't my claim. The fact that I gave you an example of things I've … | /r/MensRights | 08/08/13 02:20 AM |
| 2 | Great article on what's wrong with saying a man should not have an opinion on abortion.Are you trying to say that being pregnant is a horrible experience? Well, it ain't exactly a visit to the spa. Whether it's "horrible" is really a matter of subjective individual experience. Do you deny that millions of women get pregnant because they CHOOSE to do so? What's that have to do with anything? Lots of people choose to do lots of unpleasant things, usually because the unpleasant thing is necessary to get something they do want. I go to work, not because I enjoy working, but because I … | /r/MensRights | 08/08/13 01:19 AM |
| 2 | Great article on what's wrong with saying a man should not have an opinion on abortion.Men derive pleasure in that process just the same as women derive pleasure in being pregnant. Whut. You just actually compared having an orgasm to being pregnant. You actually literally just did that. You actually literally just compared months of nausea, fatigue, bloating, bladder problems, heartburn, hemorrhoids, and plenty of other nasty stuff I'm forgetting -- to having an orgasm. Good Christ, you must have the world's worst fucking orgasms. Do yourself a favor and never have sex again, man,… | /r/MensRights | 08/08/13 12:05 AM |
| 1 | As a feminist, I want to say to r/mensrights: THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I believe feminism strives for equality, and the issues you bring up here are valid and not petty.Harpy*. Singular. With a "Y." | /r/MensRights | 06/05/12 02:23 AM |
| 1 | As a feminist, I want to say to r/mensrights: THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I believe feminism strives for equality, and the issues you bring up here are valid and not petty.you lying freak And now your true colors come out. Funny that you're the one calling me a nasty, snarky, dishonest harpy. Good luck in life. I hope someday you overcome your anger toward women. | /r/MensRights | 05/05/12 09:19 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist, I want to say to r/mensrights: THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I believe feminism strives for equality, and the issues you bring up here are valid and not petty.Well there is a problem there with the claims about the wage gap due to discrimination because no real evidence of it can be found That's not true at all. I hear people say all the time that it can be explained by things like personal choice (and some of it certainly can), but I've never heard anyone outright deny that it exists. Where's your evidence for that claim? If a married couple operates as a unit with one person opting for more time out side market would, you can't fairly call the diffe… | /r/MensRights | 05/05/12 06:13 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist, I want to say to r/mensrights: THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I believe feminism strives for equality, and the issues you bring up here are valid and not petty.It's tough for me to feel 100% at home in either place, honestly. I feel closer to feminists because my life experience simply lines up with a lot of other women's, so I feel more comfortable around them. Sometimes I find sensible MRAs who appreciate equality-minded women who simply come from a different place, but just yesterday I got downvoted to hell simply for linking to a study showing that the wage gap is actually a real thing even after controlling for all variables. I wasn't using the st… | /r/MensRights | 04/05/12 08:22 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist, I want to say to r/mensrights: THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I believe feminism strives for equality, and the issues you bring up here are valid and not petty.Unfortunately, it is far too easy to manipulate far too many people with misinformation; how else to explain Fox News's popularity over other news channels when it technically isn't even a news channel? Thanks for the link. On a somewhat-related note, I used to fall into the unfortunate majority of women who think nothing of random hits/slaps to men. My now-husband helped me to realize that thinking it's okay to "playfully" slug a guy is just as violent as someone grabbing my ass at a bar. Both … | /r/MensRights | 04/05/12 07:15 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist, I want to say to r/mensrights: THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I believe feminism strives for equality, and the issues you bring up here are valid and not petty.That is a fair and reasonable distinction. Any movement, when it gets big enough, starts kowtowing to powerful interests that diverge from the movement's heart, but it doesn't necessarily mean any particular individual in the movement has lost his or her way. | /r/MensRights | 04/05/12 05:59 PM |
| 1 | I just wanted to say that I believe strongly that feminism has destroyed any and all ambition I have had to be a family man.It should, if that's the case. I haven't seen where/if OP has said this is the case. I am guessing based on the police response that she was on the lease too, but if she wasn't, that does make their response more troubling. | /r/MensRights | 04/05/12 04:46 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist, I want to say to r/mensrights: THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I believe feminism strives for equality, and the issues you bring up here are valid and not petty.Again, she herself does not identify as a feminist. So if you're calling her a feminist you're basically saying "I, Sigil1, get to decide who is and who is not a feminist, regardless of what anyone else in the world says." And if you're doing that, then of course, it's easy to blame "feminists" for anything. | /r/MensRights | 04/05/12 04:45 PM |
| 1 | I just wanted to say that I believe strongly that feminism has destroyed any and all ambition I have had to be a family man.It most likely depends on whose name is on the lease, which I don't think is an unreasonable rule. | /r/MensRights | 04/05/12 04:42 PM |
| 0 | I just wanted to say that I believe strongly that feminism has destroyed any and all ambition I have had to be a family man.Think of the reverse situation, though. If she had kicked him out, that's not necessarily effective. She doesn't have the unilateral right to decide where he's allowed to live. | /r/MensRights | 04/05/12 07:04 AM |
| 0 | As a feminist, I want to say to r/mensrights: THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I believe feminism strives for equality, and the issues you bring up here are valid and not petty.I think his point is more that Schlafly is not a feminist. Most feminists reject her outmoded thinking, and she herself eschews the term "feminist." In fact, she is generally recognized as an outspoken anti-feminist activist. | /r/MensRights | 04/05/12 01:13 AM |
| -1 | The price of being a man - Very moving picture that I thought I'd shareI'll just see myself out then. Sorry that you couldn't get past your anger to see the point of my post. This kind of response is why I left MR last time around; I'd been told the tone here had changed, but I guess I was misinformed. | /r/MensRights | 23/10/11 06:23 AM |
| -1 | The price of being a man - Very moving picture that I thought I'd shareit's meant to show how the idea of male privilege and the myth of Patriarchy are not only dead wrong I don't think this is quite the right conclusion. I agree that a lot gets overlooked and unfairly ignored by traditional feminist pulpits, but that doesn't mean that notions of male privilege and patriarchy are totally bunk. For instance, part of why women are disproportionately under-represented in dangerous fields is because of patriarchal notions about women's place and the silly idea that wom… | /r/MensRights | 22/10/11 05:26 PM |
| 1 | [xpost /r/fitness]RANT - What the Fuck? The campus gym now has "Women Only" times.If you think watching a game on TV is "drama free," you have never been around sports fans while a game is on. | /r/MensRights | 08/10/11 12:56 AM |
| 2 | Truly offensive article from JezebelBut who gives a shit? How does it affect your life in any way? To be fair, there are ways that it can affect your life -- both subtle and lasting. If the viewpoint that women are worse drivers is prevalent, women could be put at a disadvantage seeking work that requires them to drive (e.g., cab driver, delivery driver, long haul trucker). If the men in a woman's life ridicule her driving for no reason other than her sex, it could damage her self-esteem (and yes, this is a valid harm) and the neg… | /r/MensRights | 07/10/11 09:44 PM |
| 0 | Disney decides that they want to make movies for boys and girls instead of just girls. Feminist: "That's sexist!"Talk about twisting things. You have no compunction about judging people whose situation is different from yours. You have a combination of personality and past life experiences that enable you to be resilient in the face of defeat, and therefore you judge all people who don't. And yet you accuse me of shaming for pointing this out. That's a manipulative defensive tactic. | /r/MensRights | 25/11/10 07:06 AM |
| 0 | Disney decides that they want to make movies for boys and girls instead of just girls. Feminist: "That's sexist!"Gotcha. So you look down everyone whose personality isn't sufficiently like yours. Your prerogative, I suppose. | /r/MensRights | 25/11/10 06:37 AM |
| -1 | Disney decides that they want to make movies for boys and girls instead of just girls. Feminist: "That's sexist!"No, it illustrates a lack of confidence. I'm not saying that exonerates them from any responsibility, but refusing to so much as recognize the unique hurdles faced by women (and there are many faced by men in other contexts, which I take to be the entire POINT of this subreddit - if you acknowledge some but not others you're as guilty as the strawman feminists y'all so delight in hating) is either willfully ignorant or woefully out of touch. | /r/MensRights | 25/11/10 05:18 AM |
| 2 | Disney decides that they want to make movies for boys and girls instead of just girls. Feminist: "That's sexist!"Parents can't shield their kids from culture. Yes, they can try to combat cultural influences on their own time, but it's impossible to prevent your kid from being affected to at least some extent by dominant cultural forces. I can do everything in power to shield my kid from violence, for instance, but at the end of the day my kid will still be exposed to it, and there's not a damn thing I can do about it. Expecting creators of culture to take responsibility for the impact of their corporate st… | /r/MensRights | 24/11/10 11:49 PM |
| 0 | Disney decides that they want to make movies for boys and girls instead of just girls. Feminist: "That's sexist!"I'm pretty sure that male engineers never hear, after fucking something up, "that's why men shouldn't be engineers." You seem to lack a full grasp of the situation. | /r/MensRights | 24/11/10 09:50 PM |
| 2 | Disney decides that they want to make movies for boys and girls instead of just girls. Feminist: "That's sexist!"She's obviously not suggesting that this should be the case. She's simply pointing out that since it is -- i.e., since Disney is a major part of our culture and it's exceedingly difficult not to raise a kid at least a little bit on Disney -- it's frustrating that the "change" she's seeing heralded by Disney actually isn't all that innovative and only serves to marginalize women's roles. Believe it or not, seeing things like this does subtly send messages to kids. | /r/MensRights | 24/11/10 08:19 PM |
| 3 | Guys, if you ever take your SO to the Emergency room, because she is in pain or sick, they will ALWAYS ask her this, once you are out of the room.So telling her what she is and is not to say to her medical provider is one of those things over which you have authority? I guess all kinds get married... | /r/MensRights | 19/11/10 10:38 PM |
| 5 | Guys, if you ever take your SO to the Emergency room, because she is in pain or sick, they will ALWAYS ask her this, once you are out of the room.Because I hope you don't mean to suggest that your relationship with your wife is such that you instruct her to do things as though she's a child :) | /r/MensRights | 19/11/10 09:17 PM |
| 7 | Guys, if you ever take your SO to the Emergency room, because she is in pain or sick, they will ALWAYS ask her this, once you are out of the room.Maybe I'll just instruct my wife to respond with "Fuck you" if she's ever asked. I hope you mean you'll ask her to respond that way? | /r/MensRights | 19/11/10 08:56 PM |
| 13 | Portia De Rossi Refuses to be Interviewed by Men While on Current Visit to AustraliaI took it to mean that Portia has subverted the tradition of taking a husband's name by taking her wife's name. So where, traditionally she would be "Mrs. Husband'sFirstName Husband'sLastName," instead she's Mrs. Ellen DeGeneres. I hate the tradition personally, but I can understand why she did it -- as a means of normalizing same-sex marriages. | /r/MensRights | 18/11/10 01:50 AM |
| 6 | Thanks to you, Reddit, I canceled my son's circumcision today.Aren't they less clean since sweat and other stuff can get stuck in the crevises? Do women with larger boobs have dirtier chests, what with the extra "fold" from large breasts? People who have bad hygiene will have bad hygiene no matter what minute things differentiate their bodies from other people's. | /r/MensRights | 29/10/10 08:29 PM |
| 3 | Thanks to you, Reddit, I canceled my son's circumcision today.But what you're talking about is a social problem. The only reason you feel more normal cut is because you're part of a society where cutting is the norm. I know that male and female circumcision are two extremely different things, but remember that women in countries that practice FGM often wind up being the ones who most vocally support it. They've been cut, and the women they know have been cut, so that's "normal" to them. When you live in a culture where flesh cutting is ubiquitous, then not… | /r/MensRights | 29/10/10 08:24 PM |
| 3 | Thanks to you, Reddit, I canceled my son's circumcision today.Our brains do, however, begin forming neural pathways from the moment there's a brain there. Your brain develops patterns while you're still in the womb. That's why pregnant women listen to Mozart and such. | /r/MensRights | 29/10/10 08:10 PM |
| 9 | Thanks to you, Reddit, I canceled my son's circumcision today.And another whoooosh for missing the username. | /r/MensRights | 29/10/10 08:03 PM |
| 1 | Distrust of males is fanned by sick minds, says female writerThank you. I was curious too. Life is tough, and shit happens, but I like to think we'll work through whatever eventual problems arise. He's worth it, and I like to think I am, too. | /r/MensRights | 28/10/10 06:14 AM |
| 2 | Distrust of males is fanned by sick minds, says female writerThat's a neat little trick you tried there. The title isn't "pedophile" or "rapist," the title is "man." The unfair attribution is "pedophile" or "racist," just as the unfair attribution to the title "feminist" would be something like "man-hater" or "misandrist," or whatever the anti-feminist flavor of the week insult is. | /r/MensRights | 27/10/10 08:43 PM |
| 1 | Distrust of males is fanned by sick minds, says female writerAh, so it's okay to lump a group of people together with accusations -- sometimes even contradictory ones -- as long as that group doesn't have a cohesive identity? Are you suggesting, then, that it's okay to call all men pedophiles and rapists until what defines "man" is finally solidified? | /r/MensRights | 27/10/10 08:21 PM |
| 1 | Distrust of males is fanned by sick minds, says female writerWhat I objected to was your lumping in being gay with being a pedophile. That's something that's also done far too frequently, and it's incredibly insulting and unfair. | /r/MensRights | 27/10/10 06:59 PM |
| 1 | Distrust of males is fanned by sick minds, says female writerA couple months so far, but we lived together about a year and a half before tying the knot. Why? | /r/MensRights | 27/10/10 03:55 PM |
| 0 | Distrust of males is fanned by sick minds, says female writerNo, it's simply inaccurate. If I said you have blue eyes when your eyes are actually brown, that's not an "attack" -- it's just incorrect. | /r/MensRights | 27/10/10 03:55 PM |
| 2 | Distrust of males is fanned by sick minds, says female writerDid you edit your comment after I responded? Because I don't remember seeing all this earlier. What I want is equality. Not unfairness. Not supremacy of women over men. Not to make men afraid to interact with women. I'm sorry that you have such a misguided and negative view of what feminists want. | /r/MensRights | 27/10/10 08:48 AM |
| 2 | Distrust of males is fanned by sick minds, says female writerActually, I can be disbarred for treating my clients unfairly. That's definitely not my job. As for dealing with unfair situations, of course, I see them all the time, and not just because I'm a lawyer. As I noted, I'm an idealist, and that's why I said it's only a part of me that is always surprised. The part that chooses to see the best in people, I guess. Being disappointed sucks, but I think it's preferable to being unable to see anything good. Edit: I might have misunderstood what you said.… | /r/MensRights | 27/10/10 08:44 AM |
| 2 | Distrust of males is fanned by sick minds, says female writer... no, I say it like I'm responding to the other poster's contention that feminists set out to destroy families. Getting married isn't exactly a great way to do that, unless, I suppose, you're stealing a father away from his family and then marrying him. Anyway, marriage is all about sacrifice, by both parties. If you aren't willing to put work into your marriage and you aren't willing to be giving and selfless, chances are it won't last. I don't know where you get your ideas of marriage. My ma… | /r/MensRights | 27/10/10 08:41 AM |
| 1 | Distrust of males is fanned by sick minds, says female writerTough to see how saying that only a bare minority of my profession merits a good name, but perhaps you see something in his insult that I don't. I'm an idealist at heart, so a part of me is always kind of surprised when I hear about people treating others unfairly. And, even if I shouldn't be surprised, a lack of surprise doesn't make their actions and assumptions any less appalling. Indeed, my frustration at this kind of simplistic, knee-jerk thinking is precisely what led me to become a femini… | /r/MensRights | 27/10/10 06:14 AM |
| -1 | Distrust of males is fanned by sick minds, says female writerYup. It is pretty frustrating talking to people who think banging their head against a wall is an argument. | /r/MensRights | 27/10/10 06:11 AM |
| 0 | Distrust of males is fanned by sick minds, says female writerLawyer joke. Original. | /r/MensRights | 27/10/10 04:01 AM |
| -1 | Distrust of males is fanned by sick minds, says female writer... you do know that lots of feminist are married, right? And that they are big advocates of men taking on a significant caretaker role? I mean, seriously, make up your mind. A few years ago we were all psycho career women who hated our "natural" gift of motherhood and were trying to turn men into lady-women Mr. Moms. You guys really need to sit down and get your story straight so we can figure out which way we're evil. | /r/MensRights | 27/10/10 02:51 AM |
| 1 | Distrust of males is fanned by sick minds, says female writerUmmmmm. Being called gay isn't an "attack." Also, the kind of people who see pedophiles everywhere have way more overlap with homophobes than with gay rights advocates. | /r/MensRights | 27/10/10 02:48 AM |
| -2 | Distrust of males is fanned by sick minds, says female writerAs a feminist who subscribes to OneY, I'm appalled by this. I think it's atrocious that my husband can't help a lost child because some random person decides men aren't fit to be around children. Yes I know, all my fault, feminism evil blah blah. Whatever. This is horrible and whatever you call yourself, all rational people owe it to themselves and society to speak out against this madness. | /r/MensRights | 27/10/10 02:44 AM |
| 0 | A YOUNG woman faces jail for crying rape after her lies wasted 235 hours of police time and inflicted 15 weeks of misery on an innocent man.That's what I was saying. Instead of wasting money prosecuting "crimes" that hurt no one, we should invest our resources in prosecuting crimes that have actual victims. Also, technical point: no one is found "innocent." You're found "guilty" or "not guilty." Also, remember there's a high bar to finding people guilty, whether they're accused of a crime like rape or a crime like falsely accusing another person of a crime. It's just as difficult to prove someone lied as it is to prove someone raped… | /r/MensRights | 22/10/10 07:30 PM |
| 0 | A YOUNG woman faces jail for crying rape after her lies wasted 235 hours of police time and inflicted 15 weeks of misery on an innocent man.Lots of criminals in America are free -- if only we'd stop wasting time prosecuting and jailing people for non-violent drug crimes we might have time and resources to go after criminals who actually hurt people. | /r/MensRights | 22/10/10 06:53 PM |
| 2 | A YOUNG woman faces jail for crying rape after her lies wasted 235 hours of police time and inflicted 15 weeks of misery on an innocent man.How do you know? Maybe they just don't get the same kind of publicity as false rape claims against straight men. | /r/MensRights | 22/10/10 06:50 PM |
| 2 | Pre-nuptials: the first step to making them legally binding in the UK. Supreme Court ruling.I was partly trying to get at that with my point about custody. I think that's a separate issue from child support. I think it makes more sense not to uphold a prenup about child support, because I imagine in most cases circumstances could have significantly changed since the prenup was signed. But I agree that if the parents are actually able to work out an arrangement they're both happy with, it doesn't make much sense to spend taxpayer money having a stranger (judge) come up with a different … | /r/MensRights | 20/10/10 10:31 PM |
| 0 | Pre-nuptials: the first step to making them legally binding in the UK. Supreme Court ruling.The idea is that child support is for the kid's benefit, rather than either spouse's, so you shouldn't be able to limit it by contract. I see the reasoning behind this line of thinking, although custody resolution needs a serious overhaul, since it makes virtually zero sense and is skewed in a highly sexist manner. What's interesting is that it's difficult to enforce a waiver of alimony in many US states, since it seems to me that, absent fraud, consenting adults ought to be able to agree that n… | /r/MensRights | 20/10/10 10:12 PM |
| 2 | Help Justin see his sonFair enough. I just hate when I see these facebook groups pop up, with the accompanying poor grammar and infighting. I feel like I'm peaking into someone's bedroom, except really it's that they left their window open and are screaming at each other and I wish to god they'd just shut up because even though one of them might have started out being in the right, now they both look like assholes. | /r/MensRights | 19/10/10 04:18 AM |
| 5 | Help Justin see his sonI'll probably get downvoted for this, but reading the public fighting that these two are getting into, frankly, makes me wonder if either of them is a very good parent. You don't air your dirty laundry in public. If you lack the discretion to deal with this thing responsibly, then I question if your judgment is good enough to raise a kid. It's surreal how much real life is sometimes like Idiocracy... | /r/MensRights | 19/10/10 03:57 AM |
| 1 | Mensrights: "It was created in opposition to feminism." Why does men's rights have to be in opposition to feminism? What about equal rights for all?Ahh, okay. I'll admit I was worried for a minute there that was a comment on my shrewishness. Sorry, I shouldn't have assumed it was an insult. | /r/MensRights | 18/10/10 09:32 PM |
| 1 | Mensrights: "It was created in opposition to feminism." Why does men's rights have to be in opposition to feminism? What about equal rights for all?I'm at work so I don't have time to formulate a full reply and will try to get to it tonight, but first I need to know what you meant by this: my husband[damn -.ed] | /r/MensRights | 18/10/10 07:41 PM |
| 1 | Mensrights: "It was created in opposition to feminism." Why does men's rights have to be in opposition to feminism? What about equal rights for all?I want to give this all a longer reply, I truly do, but I need to be up early-ish for a doc appointment tomorrow so am about to go to bed. I think, perhaps, the biggest question might be: how do you define feminism? Because it seems to me it could fall into one of two broadly defined categories. One category would be that feminism is a loose grouping of ideologies and beliefs (and social and political activism stemming therefrom) that posits that sex discrimination historically hurts women (not … | /r/MensRights | 18/10/10 06:32 AM |
| 1 | Mensrights: "It was created in opposition to feminism." Why does men's rights have to be in opposition to feminism? What about equal rights for all?Well, I said I wouldn't reply but I feel I'm being misrepresented or misunderstood here, and I'm not sure which. So I'm replying in the hope I was merely misunderstood. I tried to debate your points. Perhaps we're just talking past each other. It seems to you that you are determined to see "feminism" as one thing, and I posit that it is another. Your response to that is that "well, this is why feminism is what I say it is: some vocal feminists and people who support the women's movement do or sa… | /r/MensRights | 18/10/10 02:34 AM |
| 1 | Mensrights: "It was created in opposition to feminism." Why does men's rights have to be in opposition to feminism? What about equal rights for all?Oh christ. Please stop talking down to me. You don't know me, and you don't know how smart or educated I am. I'm eligible for Mensa membership and I've aced college logic courses, before graduating from law school at a top five US school. I most likely know more about logic than you do, given that you seem not to understand exactly what an ad hominem attack is (basically, it's saying that an argument is bad because of the person making it; suggesting that someone is bad because of the argument h… | /r/MensRights | 18/10/10 12:52 AM |
| 1 | Mensrights: "It was created in opposition to feminism." Why does men's rights have to be in opposition to feminism? What about equal rights for all?Wow, I don't have time to respond to everything in here right yet, perhaps later. Sorry, I hadn't meant that you personally attack women. I meant "you" as this subreddit in general, which does sometimes attack women. Perhaps now you have a sense of what it's like when someone uses "you" when they don't actually mean you as an individual. That you back up your arguments with anecdotal citations still doesn't make generalizing okay. I could find plenty of quotes from MRAs that are far more offensi… | /r/MensRights | 17/10/10 02:27 PM |
| 0 | Mensrights: "It was created in opposition to feminism." Why does men's rights have to be in opposition to feminism? What about equal rights for all?For those who are in neither camp it's a valid and effective medium of communicating grievences I think it's the opposite, actually. To an outsider, abrasive language usually sounds pretty much just like that: abrasive. Most people aren't looking for a fight and are more likely to be swayed by a gentle and humble appeal to reason than a "these people are bad!!" angry rant. If that's the tack you guys would prefer to take, I can't tell you how to run your movement. But I submit that it's a waste … | /r/MensRights | 17/10/10 05:10 AM |
| 6 | Mensrights: "It was created in opposition to feminism." Why does men's rights have to be in opposition to feminism? What about equal rights for all?Make all the excuses you want; you know (or at least you ought to) that people don't get to choose who others view as the people that "represent" them, unless you're prepared to personally claim responsibility for Obama/Bush/pick your least favorite president. I find your hostility to feminism very frustrating and counter-productive. I added this subreddit to my front page hoping to find some reasonable men I could discuss pertinent issues with, learn from them, and hopefully give them a differe… | /r/MensRights | 16/10/10 10:13 PM |
| -2 | Mensrights: "It was created in opposition to feminism." Why does men's rights have to be in opposition to feminism? What about equal rights for all?That's fallacious. One could just as easily say to you that you are responsible for all misogynist MRAs simply by being in favor of improving men's equality. You're committing a logical fallacy, specifically guilt by association. | /r/MensRights | 16/10/10 06:41 PM |
| 2 | The road ahead of us is just so long...Thank you for sharing, and I'm so sorry about your experience (and glad it hasn't hurt you beyond being an unpleasant memory you'd prefer to put behind you). My best friend was raped twice by different boyfriends, and unfortunately for her, one of those times was really damaging to her. It's not my story to share, so I won't share it here, but suffice to say watching the pain she has suffered over the years is enough to convince me that "grey rape" is real rape, even if sometimes it looks like i… | /r/MensRights | 14/10/10 12:40 AM |
| 5 | The road ahead of us is just so long...Well... I am a lawyer, which is part of why I picked this username. I don't view it as an accusation, though if you hate lawyers as much as you hate "feminists" (a term you apparently apply to an idealized group of people that may or may not bear some resemblance to reality) perhaps you see it that way. If I'd named myself after a serial rapist/mass murderer, that, too, would say something about me, and I'd have some nerve calling someone immature and classless for noting it was an odd choice. Y… | /r/MensRights | 13/10/10 11:58 PM |
| 5 | The road ahead of us is just so long...I'm sorry you were raped, jack. I was just pointing out that your username, which you choose, is certainly an interesting choice in light of this axe you apparently have to grind with women. And I didn't realize that in New Zealand there is no legal recourse for men who are raped. That's a travesty, and I've never advocated for amnesty for rapists, male or female. You can hate me for being a woman, but that doesn't change the fact that rape is always wrong, no matter who commits it or against wh… | /r/MensRights | 13/10/10 11:37 PM |
| 2 | The road ahead of us is just so long...That would be one impressive vagina, or one oddly-shaped ass, if you had. | /r/MensRights | 13/10/10 10:56 PM |
| 6 | The road ahead of us is just so long...The combination of your username and the anger expressed in your comment is either really telling or a hilarious coincidence, I can't tell which. | /r/MensRights | 13/10/10 10:55 PM |
| 6 | The road ahead of us is just so long...Oh, and also, actually, technically the message is broader than just women -- you'll notice one of the couples in the poster is a pair of men. | /r/MensRights | 13/10/10 10:01 PM |
| 8 | The road ahead of us is just so long...That's a fair point insofar as you're suggesting that women as well as men need to be educated to understand that it is never okay to feel as though you are entitled to sex from someone else. Maybe something along the lines of "Just because he's a guy doesn't mean he's always in the mood, and I need to respect that this doesn't make him less of a man" or maybe something catchier and more effective than that. | /r/MensRights | 13/10/10 09:46 PM |
| 1 | The road ahead of us is just so long...That's probably more or less a fair rule of thumb, but in my mind extenuating factors can play into too. Like I mentioned, I always paid when dating guys who made little or no money. I am (and have been for a while) a lawyer and get paid reasonably well. A hundred bucks for dinner with a cute guy is no skin off my back, so I was happy to pay it back when I was dating. However, I'm also coming from a culture where the expectation is not that I pay for dinner (at most the expectation is that I pay… | /r/MensRights | 13/10/10 09:43 PM |
| 4 | The road ahead of us is just so long...So since we can't do much of anything, we should do nothing at all? I'm not sure what you're referring to here. With respect to expecting women to limit their freedoms, then absolutely, we shouldn't be doing that. Telling women to live in fear helps nothing, so I'm definitely in favor of just not doing that at all. Women do not have a right not get to raped. I'm going to appeal to other MR subredditors here: do you really want this quote to represent the mens' rights movement? I invite the respo… | /r/MensRights | 13/10/10 09:20 PM |
| 5 | The road ahead of us is just so long...Men and women both make subconscious assumptions about people based on attractiveness. With men, unless the guy is so extremely good-looking as to be threatening to other men, the effect of being relatively attractive tends to be a net positive. With women, it's a mixed bag. Being attractive will get a woman certain perks (people might like her more, she might get a warning from the traffic cop instead of a ticket, maybe she gets a free scoop of ice cream at the restaurant, etc.) -- but particul… | /r/MensRights | 13/10/10 09:14 PM |
| 11 | The road ahead of us is just so long...I wasn't trying to say it was a supplement. If you check out my responses to a couple of other comments here, a big part of the point is that these things that they're always telling us women to worry about? Don't help a lick. Most rapes are committed by people who know the victim. Someone who's seen her sober and drunk. Someone who's seen wearing skimpier clothes and in yoga pants and a t-shirt. Someone who might be the person trusted with escorting her late at night. Changing what you wear or … | /r/MensRights | 13/10/10 09:09 PM |
| 13 | The road ahead of us is just so long...I think part of the thinking behind the campaign (I mean, I don't know, I'm not involved in the campaign -- I've just spent some time in the feminist community so I'm familiar with the cultural problems feminists tend to identify with respect to rape) is that some men might not realize that when they take it a little bit too far... that's actually rape. The situations referenced by the posters are situations where you actually find a lot of otherwise reasonable people more or less agreeing with … | /r/MensRights | 13/10/10 09:03 PM |
| 5 | The road ahead of us is just so long...Talk about missing the point. Also, you're operating from a fallacious assumption. Wearing skimpy clothing does not put you at greater risk of getting raped, and alcohol consumption's relationship with rape is strongest where the rapist is drinking, something the victim has no control over. Furthermore, given that the majority of rapes are committed by acquaintances, family members, or significant others of the victim, there's not a whole lot a woman can do on any given night that is going to co… | /r/MensRights | 13/10/10 08:58 PM |
| 4 | The road ahead of us is just so long...Actually, I'm a straight married woman who finds your fear of "fags" neither funny nor rational. You're a sad little internet troll, and you're on the wrong side of history. | /r/MensRights | 13/10/10 08:10 PM |
| 4 | The road ahead of us is just so long...Okay, got it. The homophobia was active, not passive. The irony is that people like you are the ones who should be giving up procreative sex, lest you accidentally spawn offspring. | /r/MensRights | 13/10/10 07:57 PM |
| 33 | The road ahead of us is just so long...I can see why some might take offense at this campaign, but there is some reasoning behind it. In feminist circles, it's a common (and legitimate) complaint that a lot of the focus on preventing rape is aimed at women: don't go out alone at night. Don't wear the "wrong" clothes. Don't drink at a bar unless you're surrounded by ten of your closest friends who you can trust to keep you from leaving with a strange man who might rape you. Don't get in an elevator alone. Etc. etc. etc. And we ladies … | /r/MensRights | 13/10/10 07:34 PM |
| 5 | The road ahead of us is just so long...The second one is funny because... laughing at gay people is funny? I know some gay people, and at least a couple of them, bless their hearts, couldn't make a child laugh. I don't think the funny gene comes with the gay gene. | /r/MensRights | 13/10/10 07:31 PM |
| 2 | The road ahead of us is just so long...I'd agree with that once people stop evaluating others, especially women, based solely or primarily on physical attractiveness. But as long as people think it's okay to think less of me for being pretty, I'm going to think it's okay to use my looks to benefit me. Btw, men do this too. | /r/MensRights | 13/10/10 07:29 PM |
| 5 | The road ahead of us is just so long...Seriously. In fact, when I was single, I used to pay for dates if the guy was a student/teacher/some other underpaid profession. And every time I did so, it was only with the expectation/hope that I'd have an enjoyable meal with a new person that might maybe someday blossom into friendship or more. Indeed, I've treated both men and women to drinks/meals shortly after meeting them, just because I enjoyed their company and with no ulterior motive or expectation that they "owed" me. Even at network… | /r/MensRights | 13/10/10 07:25 PM |
| 3 | Male redditor gets raped. Reddit's response: "STFU". Hardly surprising anymore, I'm so glad this /r/ opened my eyes to this shit.You're confusing realistic advice with STFU. Because we live in a sexist society that judges men and women by two different sets of rules, good advice IS going to be different for a man and a woman faced with similar scenarios. People aren't telling him "STFU"; they are pointing out that he faces some very real and potentially devastating risks if he speaks up. The same kinds of risks simply aren't present for women who speak up. Should those risks be diminished? Absolutely. Men who have non-con… | /r/MensRights | 13/10/10 06:53 PM |
| 15 | If a police officer told a woman that if she broke the law she'd be raped, he'd lose his job. Apparently male rape is an acceptable thing to threaten someone with. I see crap like this all the time, and I feel like I'm the only one who takes it seriously.I agree with those saying this isn't strictly a men's rights issue, but more an issue of what's considered acceptable treatment of prisoners. The problem is that we as a society for some reason have decided that once you're accused of a crime -- certainly by the time you're convicted -- you cease to be seen as a human being in the eyes of the law and your fellow citizens. It's disgusting, and, frighteningly, is so deeply enmeshed in our culture it's going to take some serious work to get it sort… | /r/MensRights | 11/10/10 06:08 PM |
| 3 | If a police officer told a woman that if she broke the law she'd be raped, he'd lose his job. Apparently male rape is an acceptable thing to threaten someone with. I see crap like this all the time, and I feel like I'm the only one who takes it seriously.That kind of rational talk is just SILLY. Everyone knows that's not how things work here in Amurica. | /r/MensRights | 11/10/10 06:04 PM |
| 19 | If a police officer told a woman that if she broke the law she'd be raped, he'd lose his job. Apparently male rape is an acceptable thing to threaten someone with. I see crap like this all the time, and I feel like I'm the only one who takes it seriously.Agreed. I find it horrific that people think it's okay to joke about rape as though we should simply accept that it's part of prison life. Sorry, come again? You get busted for non-violent drug possession and therefore you're scum whose victimization we should revel in? Americans' retributivist philosophy is perhaps the single worst thing about our country. Listening to people who think "punishment" is the only way to have a functioning justice system chills my blood. Particularly in light of th… | /r/MensRights | 11/10/10 06:02 PM |
| 2 | Get a lawyer before sex: 27 precautions before risking sex with a woman (check ID; prove she was sober & never withdrew consent; maintain proof on file for years; watch your sperm to prevent artificial insemination, ...)If we were comparing levels of tongue-in-cheek-ness, the list would not be nearly so sensible. It would include things like "never wear a skirt" and "never wear sweats," because everyone knows a skirt gives easy access, but statistically women who seem approachable are more likely to be raped, or something along those lines. If I were so inclined (I'm not), I could make an equally preposterous list for women that made it clear that even sequestering yourself in a convent wouldn't keep you safe. … | /r/MensRights | 05/10/10 03:04 PM |
| 14 | Get a lawyer before sex: 27 precautions before risking sex with a woman (check ID; prove she was sober & never withdrew consent; maintain proof on file for years; watch your sperm to prevent artificial insemination, ...)Cute, but you could also do one for women talking about all the things you need to do to prevent yourself from being raped (short version: you can't, but the closest you can get is never to leave your well-guarded, highly secure home). Remember, while you guys get the constant worry of being accused of assault, we get to deal with being told it's irresponsible to dress a certain way at a certain time of night, and that if we drink alcohol we're just asking to be raped, etc. Also, the list seems … | /r/MensRights | 04/10/10 11:29 PM |
| 1 | You want equality and quotas for women in Congress, on Boards of Directors, in wages, in science? Fine. Are you also ok with equality in healthcare spending? In sentencing of crimes? In child custody? In Selective Service? Quotas for dangerous, difficult jobs? Quotas in education? Why not?I agree that sometimes anger is unavoidable. I just prefer to hold it off as long as humanly possible, because any time you look angry you lose credibility. | /r/MensRights | 03/10/10 05:59 PM |
| 1 | You want equality and quotas for women in Congress, on Boards of Directors, in wages, in science? Fine. Are you also ok with equality in healthcare spending? In sentencing of crimes? In child custody? In Selective Service? Quotas for dangerous, difficult jobs? Quotas in education? Why not?It's an interesting question, but honestly I don't think any of us is equipped to answer it yet. I think the limited research we've been able to do suggests that the gender preferences people point to aren't as biological as we'd like to be able to shrug our shoulders and claim they are. Life is extremely complex and when you see what appears to be inequality, an inquisitive mind ought always to be asking "why?" | /r/MensRights | 03/10/10 05:58 PM |
| 1 | You want equality and quotas for women in Congress, on Boards of Directors, in wages, in science? Fine. Are you also ok with equality in healthcare spending? In sentencing of crimes? In child custody? In Selective Service? Quotas for dangerous, difficult jobs? Quotas in education? Why not?Depends on the specific tests. If the tests in question are actually important to be able to do the job they're hired for, then yes, they should have to pass the same tests (kaosjester's note about being able to carry someone out of a burning building is a good example). If, however, the tests actually don't reflect bona fide occupational requirements, then frankly the tests should be changed for everyone. Edit: also, all cops/firefighters should be required to demonstrate continued fitness. If … | /r/MensRights | 03/10/10 05:55 PM |
| 1 | You want equality and quotas for women in Congress, on Boards of Directors, in wages, in science? Fine. Are you also ok with equality in healthcare spending? In sentencing of crimes? In child custody? In Selective Service? Quotas for dangerous, difficult jobs? Quotas in education? Why not?It may not be a perfect analogy, but what I was getting at is that pointing to isolated problems as evidence of some vast conspiracy against men isn't helpful. There are inequality problems in this world, period. Some of them hurt men, some of them hurt women, and some of them hurt both, period. Sitting around casting blame doesn't help anything. All it does is make you feel like you're doing something helpful when all you're doing is sitting around complaining. I've done my fair share of sittin… | /r/MensRights | 03/10/10 05:53 PM |
| -2 | You want equality and quotas for women in Congress, on Boards of Directors, in wages, in science? Fine. Are you also ok with equality in healthcare spending? In sentencing of crimes? In child custody? In Selective Service? Quotas for dangerous, difficult jobs? Quotas in education? Why not?That's about as helpful as me arguing that the reason women are favored in child custody cases is because men in the aggregate prefer careers to childrearing. | /r/MensRights | 03/10/10 05:19 AM |
| 2 | You want equality and quotas for women in Congress, on Boards of Directors, in wages, in science? Fine. Are you also ok with equality in healthcare spending? In sentencing of crimes? In child custody? In Selective Service? Quotas for dangerous, difficult jobs? Quotas in education? Why not?Misunderstanding, perhaps, but not misrepresenting -- there you go again with assuming bad intentions from all feminists. That's not a helpful attitude. I prefer to think things can be solved both peaceably (meaning without violence) and calmly/rationally (which I now think perhaps may have been what you were actually getting at). | /r/MensRights | 03/10/10 12:32 AM |
| -2 | You want equality and quotas for women in Congress, on Boards of Directors, in wages, in science? Fine. Are you also ok with equality in healthcare spending? In sentencing of crimes? In child custody? In Selective Service? Quotas for dangerous, difficult jobs? Quotas in education? Why not?So you're suggesting that true MRAs need to get violent to accomplish their goals? I like to think a lot of the reasonable men around here would disagree with you about that. | /r/MensRights | 02/10/10 11:35 PM |
| 4 | You want equality and quotas for women in Congress, on Boards of Directors, in wages, in science? Fine. Are you also ok with equality in healthcare spending? In sentencing of crimes? In child custody? In Selective Service? Quotas for dangerous, difficult jobs? Quotas in education? Why not?OK | /r/MensRights | 02/10/10 09:01 PM |
| 3 | You want equality and quotas for women in Congress, on Boards of Directors, in wages, in science? Fine. Are you also ok with equality in healthcare spending? In sentencing of crimes? In child custody? In Selective Service? Quotas for dangerous, difficult jobs? Quotas in education? Why not?Thanks to you too! | /r/MensRights | 02/10/10 08:10 PM |
| 8 | You want equality and quotas for women in Congress, on Boards of Directors, in wages, in science? Fine. Are you also ok with equality in healthcare spending? In sentencing of crimes? In child custody? In Selective Service? Quotas for dangerous, difficult jobs? Quotas in education? Why not?Okay, sorry, they aren't allowed to specialize in combat. I was close. | /r/MensRights | 02/10/10 07:23 PM |
| 14 | You want equality and quotas for women in Congress, on Boards of Directors, in wages, in science? Fine. Are you also ok with equality in healthcare spending? In sentencing of crimes? In child custody? In Selective Service? Quotas for dangerous, difficult jobs? Quotas in education? Why not?You know, here is the thing. If you'd suggested that I post such a submission and left it at that, I would have thought it sounded like a good idea. It's honestly something I hadn't considered. But the fact that you dare me to do it makes me annoyed with you. That doesn't mean I won't ever do it, but frankly I'm disinclined because of the tone of your post. Maybe I'll cool off later. The general point I was trying to get across was that a lot of feminists (no, not every one, just like not all MR… | /r/MensRights | 02/10/10 07:00 PM |
| 5 | You want equality and quotas for women in Congress, on Boards of Directors, in wages, in science? Fine. Are you also ok with equality in healthcare spending? In sentencing of crimes? In child custody? In Selective Service? Quotas for dangerous, difficult jobs? Quotas in education? Why not?TV is a reputable source for everything. Professional wrestling, for example, is 100% real. | /r/MensRights | 02/10/10 06:55 PM |
| 8 | You want equality and quotas for women in Congress, on Boards of Directors, in wages, in science? Fine. Are you also ok with equality in healthcare spending? In sentencing of crimes? In child custody? In Selective Service? Quotas for dangerous, difficult jobs? Quotas in education? Why not?Actually, what I said was that I don't know of any reputable feminists who are still calling for quotas. Prevailing law disfavors quotas and prefers "soft" affirmative action instead. Since I've posted my comment on a public forum, I've no problem with it being reposted wherever you'd like. I only request, though I no I have no control over what you do with my comment, that anything you quote me on be put in context. I googled "quotas for women." Here is the first result: http://www.quotaproject… | /r/MensRights | 02/10/10 06:54 PM |
| 16 | You want equality and quotas for women in Congress, on Boards of Directors, in wages, in science? Fine. Are you also ok with equality in healthcare spending? In sentencing of crimes? In child custody? In Selective Service? Quotas for dangerous, difficult jobs? Quotas in education? Why not?Equality and quotas are two different things. Quotas are a pretty outdated suggestion. Most feminists want equality, and we look at things like the vast gulf between men and women in politics and banking because they serve as evidence (though not proof-positive) that inequalities still linger somewhere in the system. I don't know of any reputable feminists who are asking for quotas, though -- so your insistence that feminists seek quotas for dangerous work is misplaced. That said, you might reca… | /r/MensRights | 02/10/10 05:45 PM |
| 16 | You want equality and quotas for women in Congress, on Boards of Directors, in wages, in science? Fine. Are you also ok with equality in healthcare spending? In sentencing of crimes? In child custody? In Selective Service? Quotas for dangerous, difficult jobs? Quotas in education? Why not?Ummm... I'm all for equality, but the way you spit out "woman" like it's some kind of epithet helps no one. | /r/MensRights | 02/10/10 05:22 PM |
| 5 | Why Men Accused Of Rape Should Be Anonymous Unless ConvictedThe blog post raises an idea worth considering -- inflammatory rhetoric about accused rapists needing it "more" than victims notwithstanding. One thing that I think could be fleshed out a bit better is what form this anonymity would take. The concern about serial rapists, for instance, could easily be solved by sealing court records but allowing information about the defendant's past convictions in as evidence (past convictions are often relevant and admissible evidence in many trials, civil or … | /r/MensRights | 29/09/10 04:38 PM |
| 1 | Why Men Accused Of Rape Should Be Anonymous Unless ConvictedActually a lot of court records are sealed, all the time. Business, for example, regularly get business records submitted under seal in civil litigation. Often these are documents in which there's a significant public interest, but courts weigh that interest against privacy concerns and sometimes rule in favor of the business (right or wrong depends on your take on the circumstances of any given case). But it's definitely not the case that every taxpayer everywhere has unfettered access to court… | /r/MensRights | 29/09/10 04:35 PM |
| 5 | Why Men Accused Of Rape Should Be Anonymous Unless ConvictedI actually really like this idea. The reasons for keeping the identities of those accused of rape private apply to almost any crime. If you're in the wrong place at the wrong time and go through a murder trial for it, there will always be people who look at you with suspicion. Even people who have been subsequently demonstrated to be innocent -- for instance, convicted death row inmates who have been freed thanks to the work of great organizations like the Innocence Project -- face a stigma for … | /r/MensRights | 29/09/10 04:33 PM |
| 7 | Why Men Accused Of Rape Should Be Anonymous Unless ConvictedTechnical point: no one is proven innocent. When you are not convicted of a crime, it means only that the evidence presented was not sufficient to convict, not necessarily that you were innocent. When you think about it this way, anonymity for accused persons makes some sense. There's always the lingering suspicion even if you aren't convicted. I mean, they had to have some reason to arrest you in the first place (is the way the thinking goes). | /r/MensRights | 29/09/10 04:31 PM |
| 2 | Once unleashed, a false rape claim often is impossible to controlMy heart, it melts! | /r/MensRights | 28/09/10 05:38 PM |
| 1 | Once unleashed, a false rape claim often is impossible to controlI'm sorry you've had bad experiences -- there are a lot of shitty women out there. But when you call yourself a misogynist I worry. It is categorically NOT okay (and not logical, since you noted logical thinking is important to you) to apply anecdotal data, even a lot of it, and use it as the basis for a broad pronouncement as to the "nature" of "women." That's inductive, not deductive, reasoning, and it's only recognized as legitimate in the social sciences when the proper controls and selectio… | /r/MensRights | 28/09/10 05:07 PM |
| 3 | Once unleashed, a false rape claim often is impossible to controlAs a feminist, I don't think you're all assholes/misogynists. Sometimes you have good points, other times not quite so strong. Sometimes well-intentioned, other times not. Everyone's an individual. Evileddy might be an asshole, though. | /r/MensRights | 27/09/10 09:53 PM |
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