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Who is this "they" you're talking about in the first sentence?
/r/MensRights04/08/13 12:51 AM
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What did you think during/after it? Do you have any examples that could help me understand your line between 'torture' and 'not torture'?
/r/MensRights28/06/12 06:50 AM
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I can see your point to a degree, but people who have experienced it say it's torture. I'm going to go with them rather than intellectual arguments as to why technically it shouldn't be defined as such
/r/MensRights27/06/12 10:56 PM
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People have done this! Look up Christopher Hitchens' experience. There was also that guy from the radio show.
/r/MensRights27/06/12 10:02 PM
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no it doesn't. Just as another example Christopher hitchens volunteered and said it definitely was torture. Your logic would mean that anyone who experienced anything voluntarily then afterwards said it was torture would not be a reliable source. Do you see the problem with that?
/r/MensRights27/06/12 09:43 PM
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He volunteered to experience it to determine if it was torture...
/r/MensRights27/06/12 09:23 PM
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if it wasn't torture, he would not have volunteered Do you mean if it was torture? If so this logic doesn't hold up
/r/MensRights27/06/12 09:15 AM
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Okay, I see your point, that men should be mentioned alongside women. From memory I'm familiar with the idea of men being forced to rape others, in particular I remember they'd be shot just before the moment of climax. I'm not sure if I was learned of this at school or subsequent research but it's out there.
/r/MensRights27/06/12 12:43 AM
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But it is not torture. I was responding to this.
/r/MensRights27/06/12 12:07 AM
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I'm imagining different power dynamics. Men being forced to penetrate have the power in the situation. They control various physical aspects of the act, which in cases of rape commonly lead to physical injuries. I think a better approximation for "the rape of men" is "being restricted in movement and having a women perform sex acts against the man's will". However, the physical act of penetration is then controlled by the woman. In this case, I don't think it's as likely that the man will suffer…
/r/MensRights27/06/12 12:06 AM
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Can I ask separately whether men were the victims of penetrative rape?
/r/MensRights26/06/12 11:21 PM
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I'm just going to throw it out there that I don't think a man being forced to rape (if that's what you're talking about) would prove as traumatic as being the person being raped If the men were raped themselves, thank you enlightening me to this, I hadn't realised this was the case
/r/MensRights26/06/12 10:27 PM
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There are lots of people that would disagree with you
/r/MensRights26/06/12 10:22 PM
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No sorry, what i mean with quotation marks is that women are portrayed as weaker in various ways, I was trying to cover various definitions. Basically trying to avoid the direct "weaker = less physically powerful"
/r/MensRights26/06/12 10:22 PM
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Okay, killing, however you want to define it. I suppose my point is that you can't claim rape as self defence.
/r/MensRights26/06/12 10:17 PM
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I don't understand your point?
/r/MensRights26/06/12 10:13 PM
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I'm interested in trying to understand what would cause you to see potrayals of men and women as mutually exclusive
/r/MensRights26/06/12 01:55 PM
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Yeah, i think for various reasons murder is seen as a lot more situationally acceptable. I could stay up all night listing situations where murder might be necessary. I can't think of a situation where the rape of someone is necessary though, other than "they'll kill my family if I don't rape!" edit: Sorry, not "rape is necessary if they'll kill your family" but "could be argued"
/r/MensRights26/06/12 01:50 PM
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You disagree that women are portrayed as 'weaker'?
/r/MensRights26/06/12 01:48 PM
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It depends how you define "worse", I suppose.
/r/MensRights26/06/12 01:19 PM
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Do you know if there have been studies comparing the post-attack trauma for rape and violence victims? i.e.: Do people that have lost sight/an arm through violence show the same subsequent levels of stress, fear, etc, as rape victims?
/r/MensRights26/06/12 01:18 PM
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Men are always cannon fodder because historically men have fought in larger numbers than women. Men save women a lot more often because women are portrayed as "weaker" by society, something which should be corrected.
/r/MensRights26/06/12 01:16 PM
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