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Come on. Read that in context of the rest of my reply.
/r/MensRights25/08/12 03:46 AM
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I think it's pretty obvious that when it's been discussed beforehand and when two people are in a committed relationship where the trust each other and have had open conversations about sex then it's not rape. They gave consent to each other. When you're out for the evening with friends and some asshole takes advantage of drunk you, it's absolutely rape.
/r/MensRights24/08/12 08:45 PM
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Which clubhouse do you want in to?
/r/MensRights22/08/12 10:37 AM
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"Dat ass" "I'd hit that." "Look at the tits on that one." "Giiiirl you're on fire." Come on, really? These are the kinds of comments we're talking about. Emphasizing one body part. And seeing a person as something for the catcaller's pleasure. That's objectification. You make it sound like people should be grateful for that shit.
/r/MensRights22/08/12 10:33 AM
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A dildo is a rubber cock. In no way is it a human being. A fleshlight is a fake vagaina. Also not a human being. Calling out/ checking out someone's ass is completely different- it actually belongs to a human being. Thus, reducing a person to one of their parts.
/r/MensRights22/08/12 02:31 AM
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It's not flaunting to wear jeans. Or shorts. Because it's hot out. It's an asshole's job to not be an asshole. What someone wears is not an excuse for assholery.
/r/MensRights22/08/12 02:26 AM
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"Only you can stop forest fires." - Smokey the Bear.
/r/MensRights21/08/12 09:54 PM
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Every time this is talked about, I want to ask what MR would give as practical advice. Because in my experience, there is almost no way to tell who might be a potential rapist. They don't drool, they don't hide in bushes. Statistically, they're someone you can name, someone who knows where you live, or someone you see more than once a year. Some guy wants to walk you home from a party, so you don't have to walk alone. Do you trust him? You leave someone in the library for a second with you lapto…
/r/MensRights19/08/12 11:58 PM
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I'm saying that whoever asks should be prepared to pay, whoever is the askee should offer to to split. (As I said in my first comment.) If guys are complaining that dating is too expensive, that women always want to be paid for, etc, then the answer is still pretty obvious. Either do cheaper things on your dates, or be pickier about who you go on dates with. Or you wait until someone asks you. Women ask men out every day. It's almost trendy. I don't see what "entitlement" has to do with anything…
/r/MensRights17/08/12 10:34 AM
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Generalize "you" to be more than yourself, and it doesn't change a word I said. I, personally, don't care much about what you, nawitus, do in your dating life. And I'm happy for an internet stranger if his/her method works for him/her. So wait... you think the category of women who expect to be paid for is a subset of women who want to be asked out. So, what's prohibiting the "average guy" from getting to know someone enough to tell the difference before asking? Or just waiting for her to make t…
/r/MensRights17/08/12 12:39 AM
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Was going to post sarcastic remarks, then figured it's more likely that we're in violent agreement... Are we agreeing that the OP is misleading and cherrypicking?
/r/MensRights17/08/12 12:08 AM
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And 0% of the ones you don't want to be on, anyway. Because then, if and when you do ask someone out, it's with the attitude of, "Hey, screw it, I think they're awesome and I don't care if I blow $50 on dinner."(and by the way, there is such a thing as a low-cost or no cost quality date) And then if you don't think that, you're not missing anything, regardless. The only problem with your approach is that you apply the buckshot method to dating while still thinking that whoever asks should pay. I…
/r/MensRights16/08/12 11:05 PM
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Kind of explains the original post, doesn't it? "You're not paying for my shit, stop using it."
/r/MensRights16/08/12 10:46 PM
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I really don't see what that has to do with anything. If you don't want to pay for dates, don't ask. It's really that simple. And then, who ever is asking can be expected to pick up the check, whoever is receiving can offer to split, and life goes on. The gesture of asking for a date isn't a secondhand course in accounting, it's a, "I would like the pleasure of your company. Let me make this an easy decision for you."
/r/MensRights16/08/12 10:42 PM
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...she means what? The post isn't about men. It's possible your friend is an asshole. I don't know her, can't say. But holding her re-blog up as evidence that "they" think men are demons is stretching it.
/r/MensRights09/08/12 02:02 AM
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Or, she could be talking about what it feels like to be a woman (to her) and you're upset because you think she's blaming you. When she never has blamed you. This entire thing is aimed at women having it rough in a set of circumstances. It's no more "wrong" than the guy at the top of this thread who made the "this is what it's like to be a guy" reply. It's not your fault, and it's not about you at all. You can write your own guys-have-it-bad lists and post them around. Maybe then everyone will r…
/r/MensRights08/08/12 11:10 PM
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I missed the part where the blog post specifically called out men for having easy lives... This is one side of the story. And a lot of that shit is put on women (minus the dated stuff) by society in general(not just men- note the Cosmo reference, and a lot of the body-standards stuff). And sometimes, that's what it feels like to be a woman. Are you angry at your friend for asking you to walk in her shoes without her specifically talking about walking in yours? (assuming you're indeed a dude.)
/r/MensRights08/08/12 10:52 PM
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I think you should reserve body language consent until the second or third or whatever time you have sex with someone. First time, you need a verbal yes, and continue to get "yes" until you've established some groundrules for the situation. Why? Because body language is not universal, and when you're with someone new you can't read minds. It's on the agressor to get consent regardless of gender.
/r/MensRights13/07/12 01:25 AM
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Ok, though... Which is it? Don't trust guys, because you "shouldn't have put yourself in that situation," or do trust guys and "god you're idiotic for trusting someone"? Both sides are argued in this sub: but what the hell are people actually supposed to do in practice? I don't want to treat everyone I meet as a threat. And I don't want to be hurt.
/r/MensRights04/07/12 03:52 AM
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My society. Where I grew up. I have, thankfully, moved away since college. And people absolutely behaved this way. This shit still exists in America.
/r/MensRights30/06/12 04:30 AM
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I grew up in a society that actively discouraged women from getting education past highschool, and discouraged further women going into fields that didn't directly apply to maintaining a household and caring for children. My parents' neighbors have expressed pity to my mom that I haven't given her grandchildren yet. I'm 24, and I grew up in the USA. Yes, had I stayed in my home community, I would have been privileged to be dependent on someone else, privileged to not be considered for jobs becau…
/r/MensRights29/06/12 09:19 PM
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How long have you been at this job? And sorry, I don't understand what them hiring a new person has to do with anything.
/r/MensRights23/06/12 11:54 AM
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You're not wrong, and the reason I pushed you a little is that you have failed to use the same reasoning when looking at the wage gap.
/r/MensRights22/06/12 11:52 AM
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Your first point sounds a whole lot like "personal decisions" to me... And I'm sorry, maybe it's just late, but I don't understand your other two points at all. Care to elaborate?
/r/MensRights22/06/12 03:38 AM
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Medicine is supply and demand, too... if women are spending money on health care, then women's issues will be studied to keep women spending. Maybe men should go to the doctor more often. (Not saying disparity in spending isn't a real thing, just that there might be simple old greed reasons.)
/r/MensRights22/06/12 03:13 AM
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I'm not sure I agree- being hit on =/= being creeped on, and I don't know anyone who equates the two.
/r/MensRights21/06/12 01:55 AM
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You would have to draw the line between "not enough evidence" and "false accusation" pretty obviously, don't you think? Just because the victim says it's so and it can't be proven doesn't mean it's a false accusation. Rape and sexual assault are and can be incredibly difficult to prove. All rape claims should be taken seriously, investigated, and prosecuted if there is enough evidence. Honestly, I think OP was treated pretty fairly by his legal system.
/r/MensRights19/06/12 10:34 PM
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Men's Rights, I think you have completely and utterly missed the mark on this one. 1) Criminal Justice was answered nicely by telltale_fart. Everyone has a perspective. For all you know, the topics could have included women in the prison system and women as criminals, which fits in nicely with all of your other women behaving badly posts. 2) Statistics. You know what? "There are 40 red balls and 25 blue balls in an urn" gets pretty old pretty quickly. So you can chose some other topic. Environme…
/r/MensRights19/06/12 01:28 AM
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Whoa, one second. He was drunk- willingly. He stayed with someone he knew wanted to bang him- willingly. He stated that he had consensual sex in the original post. He missed the bus on all of those, "just be risk-aware," actions people in this sub are always peddling. Did he deserve to be stalked at a party, assaulted, and taken advantage of? ABSOLUTELY NOT. And why is it not ok to tell people that they should have done more to prevent their assault? Because it's blaming the victim and it's NOT …
/r/MensRights17/06/12 04:24 PM
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Grass is always greener, isn't it? I would have chosen to have my opinion on matters outside the home count for something. And what you're saying is you would have rather been a rich woman than a poor man.
/r/MensRights13/06/12 12:56 AM
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I know people who actively go to Chik-Fil-A because they're a "good Christian company." And companies like this stay in business. Sure, they're not McDonalds. But they are profiting. I contend that businesses are willing to forgo some profit to support "morals," but never to the point of going under.
/r/MensRights09/06/12 09:20 PM
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Look, there isn't a woman alive that thinks a bar owner give freebies on a ladies night because the owner just really thinks girls deserve it or some such bullshit. Everyone knows that "ladies night" should really read, "we're trying to even out the ratio tonight, guys." In the Pandagon article "terrible response" above, this incredibly caustic writer makes a very interesting point when she writes, "It’s not like feminists are for ladies night. Most feminists I’ve seen who’ve bothered to registe…
/r/MensRights09/06/12 09:14 PM
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I agree that this marriage needs to be renegotiated (counseling, new division of labor, or split up). But calling someone a thing is extraordinarily offensive.
/r/MensRights09/06/12 06:08 PM
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Well, that's why I said "usually"... Look, there isn't any excuse for that kind of imbalance (and I know that's putting it too lightly) in a relationship. And it's not your fault that she turned out to be a lazy sack of crap. But... how was this not a conversation before you got married/ had children/ every year she didn't help at home? Did she lie to you? I'm so sorry you suffered this kind of abuse. Because there's no other word for it. It's just that it doesn't change the situation for one li…
/r/MensRights09/06/12 12:52 AM
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USUALLY, it's because one party (USUALLY) the wife, has forgone her career to raise the couple's children. And if the one making money can just up and leave the other, it's pretty fucking frightening to have a 15 year employment gap on your resume. I think alimony was intended to be a check against that sort of behavior. More and more women (as they are being primary breadwinners) are paying alimony. SOURCE. Which, in my mind, is totally fair. If one person has sacrificed their career for kids, …
/r/MensRights08/06/12 11:43 PM
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While I totally agree with you that false accusations ruin lives, I think your analogy falls short. The problem with rape or sexual assault is that proof is sometimes nigh on impossible to obtain. A lot of assaults happen when person A says, "I told B to stop, and they didn't." And person B says, "A never said no, A didn't revoke consent." Because clearly rape can happen under those circumstances. And then who do you believe? Bruises, tearing, etc etc can be explained as rough sex. But it's stil…
/r/MensRights08/06/12 01:26 AM
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God forbid two people are honest and straightforward with each other...
/r/MensRights06/06/12 04:31 PM
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This is a function of poverty (or what passes for poverty in the US), not of gender specifically. I know married couples who do the same.
/r/MensRights02/06/12 01:39 PM
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I think it goes way beyond physical attraction. If you are a dominant person, (or you are insecure) you may like "weakness" or dependence in your partners. This can extend to financial/ life-path type dependence. NOT that is always the case (I went to high school with girls who specifically went to college to get married), or only a product of women treating men as a lottery ticket. A lot of women "dumb down" to be more attractive (less threatening) to men. And some domineering women like "softe…
/r/MensRights02/06/12 01:29 PM
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Isn't that what this is fighting?
/r/MensRights01/06/12 03:19 AM
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Look, the from women to women thing might be a good thing: not a self-glorification of a bunch of successful people in the same room but someone who has sacrificed to get ahead and say, "I did it, you can too! You don't need to be dependent!" It's way more powerful to lead by example.
/r/MensRights01/06/12 03:12 AM
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Actually, history does speak for itself. Here you go: Women in the military: ancient times. Women in the military: medieval times. Women in the military: early modern times. Women have been in every major battle since they started taking names for an army.
/r/MensRights24/05/12 11:00 PM
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I would venture a guess that it was risk assessment when you looked at yourself in a mirror, and it would be victim blaming if someone told you you were asking for it after the fact.
/r/MensRights24/05/12 10:28 PM
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Except that some people believe abortion is murder.
/r/MensRights18/05/12 01:11 PM
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I agree that someone gets the short end here, because women carry children and men don't. I think that the kid should be the last person to get the short end, though. He or she is the only 'innocent' person here. And any man can opt out of being a father (which is so much more than money) but a kid should have the advantages of having two providing parents.
/r/MensRights18/05/12 01:06 PM
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...how reasonable. :)
/r/MensRights17/05/12 11:39 PM
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And still inappropriate for a work setting.
/r/MensRights17/05/12 11:39 PM
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I would argue it's a percentage problem: the nutjobs are a smaller percent of feminists because there are more feminists. Easier to marginalize that way.
/r/MensRights17/05/12 11:09 PM
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I think it's pretty obvious that neither are.
/r/MensRights17/05/12 11:05 PM
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I think you need to reevaluate your definitions. Or meet higher caliber people.
/r/MensRights09/05/12 08:16 PM
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...I still don't understand what you want. Most people who say they are forward are indeed forward. So you want women who are "forward" but also who don't admit it? You realize that being forward requires confidence and self-awareness, right? I'm not sure I've ever met a person who is "naturally" forward and unaware of it.
/r/MensRights09/05/12 08:04 PM
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So... can I ask what, in your mind, the "ideal" date situation would be, then? You've stated that forward women are bitchy, and that men who constantly approach women are constantly rejected. Are we all just supposed to stand and stare at each other?
/r/MensRights09/05/12 07:51 PM
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Feminism isn't one ideology. There are, ideologically speaking, three distinct waves of feminist literature throughout the history of the movement. There isn't some list of feminist ten commandments (as religious parallels seem to be working here) etched in stone somewhere. It's like Christianity (not a particular branch of Christianity), ranging from dark age ideas to social liberals who happen to believe in Jesus. Distinct, often combating, ideologies. Again, I direct you to Wikipedia for a pr…
/r/MensRights03/05/12 10:45 PM
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Not all feminists are the same. They range from garden variety egalitarians to the man haters, the same way the men's rights movement ranges from garden variety egalitarians to women haters. Feminist ideology is very wide reaching (see Wikipedia for a quick breakdown into the many splinters of feminism), and a lot of feminists disagree with one another over what the movement means (kind of like how conservatives bicker about what is/isn't a "true conservative.") Atheism isn't a good comparison f…
/r/MensRights03/05/12 08:34 PM
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I think this is a very fair answer. It's the same reason why some women still identify as feminists.
/r/MensRights03/05/12 05:37 PM
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I'd be more likely to apologize that I mislabled you if you didn't call me a motherfucker. Being wrong is being wrong: shrug it off, fix any damage it may have caused, and move on.
/r/MensRights03/05/12 01:44 PM
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Ok, then.
/r/MensRights03/05/12 01:23 PM
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Are you dropping the 'men's rights' label anytime soon? And why not??
/r/MensRights03/05/12 12:29 PM
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Don't blame me for your erroneous assumptions. Statistically speaking I am more likely to be assaulted by someone I know than a stranger in a bar. Statistically it's dumber for women to be on friendly terms with a lot of men than it is to go out to a bar.
/r/MensRights02/05/12 07:03 PM
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Who said it was acceptable to project blame for being a victim onto men? I think OP was treated terribly. Statistically speaking, it's far riskier for a woman to have a lot of male friends than it is to go to a bar in a low cut top. It's extraordinarily unfair to assume that all men are rapists. But according to the analogy in this thread, it's dumb not to have that in the back of your head. Because hey, not all poor people in bad areas are going to jack your car, but it's just not a good idea t…
/r/MensRights02/05/12 05:04 PM
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Secondary source: the first two paragraphs of literature review documenting several studies into the perception of the victim and how much blame to assign the victim. University of Iowa, 2004. Source
/r/MensRights02/05/12 04:53 PM
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So I'll give strangers giving me the eye in a bar the benefit of the doubt, but I'll suspect every guy who I actually interact with. ಠ_ಠ
/r/MensRights02/05/12 04:37 PM
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I grant that getting drunk/high til passing out makes you very vulnerable. But statistics make the rest of your points a little moot (still a good idea, but moot). Rape happens close to home and by acquaintances. It's usually perpetrated by someone you know relatively well. The point of "no means no" campaigns isn't that people haven't passed basic English classes. It's ingraining into people that when you haven't got an enthusiastic "yes" it's rape. "Men can stop rape" is a campaign against the…
/r/MensRights02/05/12 04:30 PM
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Slutwalks are organized because while 2% of rapes happen in a bar scene, over 30% of the general population admits to believing that a victim brings it on themselves by flirting and/or dressing "provocatively." Source: Amnesty International.
/r/MensRights02/05/12 04:01 PM
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So a person should never be alone with someone who they "friendzoned"? I'm curious as to what qualifies as "mixed signals" as well. In cases of "whoopsie rape" like what you're suggesting (that the victim was giving mixed signals, and never really said no) I 100% don't understand why it isn't on the aggressor to obtain verbal, explicit consent. It's one question. It isn't hard. And by telling everyone that anything short of that is prosecutable rape is, in my mind, a damn good idea. Then everyon…
/r/MensRights02/05/12 01:49 PM
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Ok, so I've got 1) don't hang out with "unstable" people who want to have sex with you. Or more generally 2) don't hang out with people who want to have sex with you. Is this really what you're saying?
/r/MensRights02/05/12 01:34 PM
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Oh I will never argue that women and/or sexual assault victims are helpless. But there is no evidence that provocative dress leads to sexual assault beyond verbal assault. Yet there is large amounts of evidence that people think that the victim is to blame by her dress. Source is Google Answers, all linkable to real studies. The point of a "slutwalk" is to dismiss the idea that the victim is to blame for how she presents herself. Most rape happens within one mile of the victims' home. And 2/3 of…
/r/MensRights02/05/12 01:32 PM
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You should check your facts about when and where someone gets raped. Most of the time it's not by a stranger, it's close to home, and it's someone you know. Source for rapist statistics. You're far more likely to to get raped in a parking garage than in a bar.
/r/MensRights02/05/12 12:11 PM
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Such as?
/r/MensRights02/05/12 11:59 AM
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Ok, obvious lurker is obvious. What actions are high risk for victims of sexual assault? I'll give you getting blackout drunk. What are these stupid actions that 'just aren't a good idea'? Especially given the fact that most assaults are not done by strangers.
/r/MensRights02/05/12 03:34 AM
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Except that by adding a women's weightroom a gym doesn't exclude men from the vast majority of the total gym. Do you like the idea of places like Curves?
/r/MensRights26/04/12 12:28 PM
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Well, here's why this works: gyms, which historically have been very male places, and the weightrooms, which are more so, decided to break into the other half of the market and then offered incentives for women to buy memberships. One of those incentives is their own section of the gym, sometimes. It's economics. And what I meant by premium is that women will probably choose a more expensive gym if it has a women's section as opposed to the next gym down the road. Or if the two are equal, women …
/r/MensRights26/04/12 12:12 PM
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If a gym decides to offer a women's only section, you are at liberty to buy that membership or not. If women want their own room, they'll pay a premium (over what they would pay elsewhere). The reason no one thinks, "Oh maybe we should have a guys-only section" is that there isn't organized demand for it. As to the UO example here, I think it makes way more sense to have a "beginner's hour" than a ladies' hour, because that gets to the root of insecurity a little more fairly.
/r/MensRights25/04/12 06:00 PM
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The main biological barrier that women have when it comes to public sphere work is lack of physical strength, and there are many jobs that don't require physical strength. Just like there are many homemaking opportunities that DON'T require childbirth? IE- adoption, home maintenance, watching over children, education of said brood, meals on the table, finances, etc. Men can stay home and do the dad/husband thing. There's a social stigma attached that shouldn't exist. But you know what it's going…
/r/MensRights23/04/12 06:59 PM
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Oh I didn't mean that you shouldn't think about it: in the future you'll be going on ski trips or cruises or whatever with your girlfriend and you'll run into the same dilemma. So the key is getting with a quality individual who doesn't treat you like an ATM. It's just that by adopting an attitude where you are keeping a mental checkbook will make you miserable and will probably turn off a lot of people who would otherwise be your friend (both genders find nitpicking over money a decidedly unfri…
/r/MensRights11/04/12 07:22 PM
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Well, if you don't want to ask anyone on a date, that's your choice. Although I think the approach of informing all your friends about you wanting to be asked out (equally) and then just live your life. What's easier is to voice the opinion that all first dates should be Dutch, and then whoever asks for a second should pay.
/r/MensRights11/04/12 03:00 PM
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Are you going to pay for half her prom dress? Her hair appointment? Are you going to ask her for half of your tux rental? Look, the point of dating someone is signing up for being nice above and beyond what's fair. By counting every dime you take the joy out of giving and the luxury out of being pampered. She should feel the same way about you. If this is just a date then its totally appropriate to ask her to buy her ticket, in fact, I wish more girls had the wherewithal to offer to pay. It's a …
/r/MensRights11/04/12 04:49 AM
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