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| 0 | Why do blue-pillers hate TRP?Rape is physical violence. It's like saying most sentences don't contain words. Sure, there are cases where there is additional violence as a precursor to the rape, but to say that in situations where this element is absent that there is no violence is to profoundly misunderstand the nature of rape. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/16 01:37 AM |
| 2 | Why do blue-pillers hate TRP?I don't know if I should respond to this (at least until I stop laughing) or just let other TRP members savage you and that notion. If the other TRPers argue with as much insight and intelligence as you do, I can't say I'm too worried about the kind of "savaging" I might receive. People do sometimes say things that are different to what they really mean or really want, and it would be naiive to think no-one ever lies or self-deceives about such things. However, taking someone at their word when … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/16 06:39 AM |
| 1 | Why do blue-pillers hate TRP?So since you are a mind reader It's precisely because nobody is a mind reader that the best way of judging what another person wants or doesn't want is to listen to what they say. Deciding that you believe that actually "you know better, she's probably just being coy" is the kind of thinking that leads to rape or something which is legally-speaking-not-quite-rape but still incredibly harmful. fanciful and unsupported opinion On the contrary, there are reams of statistics and stories from rape su… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/16 06:13 AM |
| 0 | Why do blue-pillers hate TRP?Seduce? Depending on how you interpret the meaning of that word, none. There have been plenty of cases where I've shown an interest, and either the interest was reciprocated or it wasn't. When it wasn't, I never pushed the issue (attempted to "seduce" her) because why would I want to sleep with someone who doesn't want to sleep with me? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/16 04:54 AM |
| 1 | Why do women (especially feminists) demand men lower their standards but refuse to lower theirs.male beauty standards are, if anything, enforced by feminism. How so? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/16 04:41 AM |
| 0 | Why do blue-pillers hate TRP?playing coy In my experience this is a total myth. Women who are interested aren't in the least shy about showing it. Men who talk up this "she was just being coy" business are probably of the same kind who try to browbeat and pressure women into sex and, on those occasions when they "succeed" (ugh) brag to their friends about her "coyness" when the reality is something much uglier. Also, I love this "reacting in predictable ways" talk. If he decides to behave in morally grotesque fashion, it's … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/16 04:36 AM |
| 2 | Why do blue-pillers hate TRP?I'd say one "no" is the hard limit. Does she really need to ask you to leave before you believe what she says? She's perfectly free to change her mind, of course, but that doesn't make it any less repugnant to repeatedly pressure her to do so. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/16 04:19 AM |
| 1 | Why do blue-pillers hate TRP?try again. So, how many times after she's said "no" do you think it's OK to "try again"? Yuck. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/16 03:34 AM |
| 5 | Why do blue-pillers hate TRP?Rape rarely involves physical violence? I'm sorry, what? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/16 03:19 AM |
| 5 | Why do blue-pillers hate TRP?people are getting tired of SJWs and the fucked up PC culture we live in. Sure, some people don't like left-wingers. And some people don't like right-wingers. Do you really think "people" as a whole agree with you, though? Usually when I hear this kind of rhetoric, I assume it means "I personally don't like [x], and because I've never thought seriously about why someone else might like [x], I assume most people agree with me (or soon will)." Trump is doing very well among the extreme right of th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/16 03:14 AM |
| 2 | Women want the benefits not the responsibilities - Tom Leykis, taking you out old schoolWell, you'll notice it's not me but polyhooly making the arguments in the top-level reply, so as for arguments I made that you didn't answer, pedantically speaking there are none. However, of her arguments: 1) You claim that men work harder than women, she asks for some evidence and you reply that it's not really relevant. So, if your claim is irrelevant, why did you make it? Yet, it clearly is relevant because your overall argument includes the idea that men are unfairly burdened with an overla… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/03/15 01:54 AM |
| 2 | Should men have to pay for children they didn't want?Or get snipped. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/03/15 03:33 PM |
| 5 | Women want the benefits not the responsibilities - Tom Leykis, taking you out old schoolYou completely fail to address any of the substance of the argument. And you begin your exasperatingly content-free response with an expression of frustrated contempt. This is a debating sub. If you want to complain to a supportive audience who will say nothing but "yeah, man, you said it!" &c, stick to redpill. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/03/15 01:48 AM |
| 1 | Is a man approaching a woman with a purely sexual intent wrong?Every few days, on my facebook feed, I see my sister complaining about Yet Another PUA who harassed her in a public place and acted like a jerk when she turned him down. Should I join the ranks of these people in order to learn for myself whether or not "they" like it? Will what I learn from perpetuating something I personally disagree with somehow supercede what I've learned from listening to women I know talking about how much they hate it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/15 07:24 AM |
| 1 | Is a man approaching a woman with a purely sexual intent wrong?Well, the point still stands - whatever level of irritation and anxiety you're causing to those women should be taken into account when deciding if it's moral to "approach" them. If some of those women are anxious on account of a fear of violence, then in my opinion that anxiety deserves to be taken into account as a real harm, even if in my judgment the anxiety is misplaced. "I'm not responsible for the anxiety I'm causing you because I don't think that anxiety is reasonable / justified in this… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/15 12:08 AM |
| 1 | Is a man approaching a woman with a purely sexual intent wrong?I'm not crushing anything. I'm presenting an argument. This is a sub with the word "debate" in the title. If encountering an argument that differs from your own position is so awful for you that it makes you feel like you are being "crushed", maybe you are in the wrong place. As for the substance of your argument, it's pure false dilemma. "Unless I am free to harass women in public places any time I feel like it, and with zero regard for how she feels, I will forever be a victim of anxiety and l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/15 12:04 AM |
| 1 | Is a man approaching a woman with a purely sexual intent wrong?His question / argument was, "what do I get for being a moral person? What's in it for me, bozo?". Broadly speaking, as you point out, most people regard this as "the wrong question". We should be moral "just because" it is more moral to be so. This almost looks like circular logic but social cohesion and functioning depend on it. Still, he asked a question, and I answered. Is there any personal benefit in choosing to be moral? Yes, you get social respect and regard. He's right to ask what is th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/15 11:54 PM |
| 1 | Is a man approaching a woman with a purely sexual intent wrong?I must have said that in the same place where I said "let's get rid of all men". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/15 01:08 PM |
| 0 | Is a man approaching a woman with a purely sexual intent wrong?Am I? Firstly, I'm not a woman and I'm not talking about myself, so I'm not describing my own fears. Rather, I'm talking about what I've heard women say or read in their writings. They feel uncomfortable and unsafe having strange men make advances in public, because they just want to say "no" or "go away", but they're afraid that the man might become aggressive if they do. Is such a fear really without justfication? It seems well-founded enough to me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/15 01:06 PM |
| 0 | Is a man approaching a woman with a purely sexual intent wrong?Sorry, I assumed from the play on words you were joking. I guess the main "immediate benefit" of choosing to be a moral person is that you get to be a member of a moral community and the respect and regard of other members of that community that goes with membership. This is less apparent in modern urban life because most of the people we interact with are strangers to us and therefore know nothing of our character or our behaviour. Nonetheless, our most vital and rewarding relationships will st… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/15 01:00 PM |
| -2 | Is a man approaching a woman with a purely sexual intent wrong?I believe this is a debating tactic known as "shifting the goalposts". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/15 09:17 AM |
| 1 | Is a man approaching a woman with a purely sexual intent wrong?Yes, when I said I don't think men should approach women in public places and "compliment" them, what I was really trying to say is "kill all men". How clever of you to have seen through the code to the real message underneath. "Us people" are going to have to be a lot more cunning about how we communicate in future to get by the likes of you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/15 09:02 AM |
| 3 | Is a man approaching a woman with a purely sexual intent wrong?What's wrong with that? What's wrong with it is that ordinary social conventions are built around the fact that most people most of the time don't want to be hassled by strangers. Most women don't like strangers coming up to them and demanding their attention, because attention is a scarce resource and they'd generally prefer to be using it for something else. Do you like panhandlers demanding money from you? If it happened to you over and over again in the course of your ordinary daily life, wo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/15 08:52 AM |
| -3 | Is a man approaching a woman with a purely sexual intent wrong?Why do males make someone feel unsafe? Please explain that one to me. Sometimes a man will "pay a woman a compliment", and she will avoid acknowledging it, and the man will become angry and agressive because he feels slighted. Sometimes this aggression will escalate to actual physical violence. Of course not every man does this, but because the potential consequences of it happening are so serious, then a woman may legitimately feel she has to be careful of every man "paying a compliment" in cas… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/15 08:43 AM |
| 0 | Is a man approaching a woman with a purely sexual intent wrong?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethical_calculus A well-integrated moral system. ;) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/15 08:38 AM |
| 4 | Is a man approaching a woman with a purely sexual intent wrong?It's incredible to me the number of times I express my view about this and I get a response that's couched purely in terms of what is better for the man doing the approaching. Yeah, no shit, if you're willing to upset or annoy forty or fifty women, the fifty-first might give you her number, and if "I got someone's number!" is the only thing you put on the balance sheet, that's a net positive. Yay! If you're not putting the effect you have on all the people who wish you'd left them alone on that … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/15 03:09 AM |
| 1 | Is a man approaching a woman with a purely sexual intent wrong?So, in order to satisfy your desire to sometimes have a man "make things more interesting", all of the women who would prefer to be left alone should put up with a rule that says "it's OK to harass women in public" and the consequences - from irritating to extremely upsetting - that go with that? In general, when trying to find an ethical rule, a good first principle is "first, do no harm". A rule that establishes "random approaches in public are not OK" meets this standard much better than the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/15 03:05 AM |
| 4 | A blue pill relationship that works?my personal life experiences. So, in a contest between "your personal life experiences" which say X, and someone else's "personal life experiences" which say Y, how do you decide which holds greater general validity? "My personal life experiences establish a general rule, but your personal life experiences are mere outliers and exceptions" is not a good answer to that question. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/15 01:59 AM |
| 4 | A blue pill relationship that works?...of course, you need to establish your "general rule" to be true, first, preferably with a number of well-researched studies published in peer-reviewed journals. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/15 01:36 AM |
| 2 | Is a man approaching a woman with a purely sexual intent wrong?The woman is an a neutral environment, such as a park, cafe, the mall etc. This is the part I disagree with. If she's in a park or a cafe or a mall, she's there for her own reasons, trying to get on with her own life, leave her alone. If she's in a bar or a club or at a party, sure, by all means approach. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/15 01:31 AM |
| 1 | In your experience, has feminism made you ashamed of your attraction to women?It seems ironic to me that an ideology which is supposed to be "sex-positive" makes people ashamed of their sexuality. The problem she's describing is the very reason why "sex-positive feminism" came about, to oppose the problems that were perceived with "sex negative feminism". No irony required. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/03/15 12:33 PM |
| 4 | Why invalidate evolutionary psychology/behavior in sexual dynamics?I think real evolutionary psychology is important and interesting and, with some caution, offers lessons we can learn and try to apply in the real world. However, much of what passes for "arguments based on evopsych" are essentially just-so stories. A plausible-sounding but untested hypothesis is presented as if it were evidence, and then an edifice of wishful thinking is constructed on top. That's not how real science is done, people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/03/15 12:56 AM |
| 1 | Why the hate between red and blue?1.) Why can most of you not just accept, that there are different points of view for every aspect of life? What works for me, does not necessarily works for most other guys/girls. I think this is totally fine, so long as it doesn't involve unethical behaviour. "Some people think stealing is wrong, but I think it's totally OK. Why can't we just live and let live?" Some people - including many women - strongly prefer to be in relationships with male-dominant dynamics. Other people hate those dynam… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/15 06:30 AM |
| 2 | If Blue Pills, particularly women, are so disgusted by Red Pill stratagy, why not just not respond to it?I'm not a woman, just speaking up on behalf of women I know. I think there are plenty of places where it's absolutely fine to "approach" women. But trying to "pick up" in the street - when women are just trying to get on with their lives and do the things they need to do - is harrassment. Women who are OK with being approached will put themselves in contexts where it's OK to approach them, but most women, most of the time, want to be left alone, and if you go up to a woman who wants to be left a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/03/15 12:31 PM |
| 1 | If Blue Pills, particularly women, are so disgusted by Red Pill stratagy, why not just not respond to it?I clearly stated what I believe. Yes, street harassment is immoral. If you think otherwise, I'm more than happy to hear why and to either be persuaded by a good argument or show the flaws in a bad one. However, the notion that I'm somehow responsible for "making men callous" is absurd - by what mechanism would such a change even take place? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/02/15 10:35 PM |
| 2 | If Blue Pills, particularly women, are so disgusted by Red Pill stratagy, why not just not respond to it?False dilemma. "The only way it's possible for me to meet women is to harass them in the street, and the only possible alternative to that is to spend my life wallowing in the agony of my loneliness." Both assumptions are untrue and obviously so. If we imagine some hypothetical universe where both were true, the right answer would still be the same, though. "The only way for me to get what I want is to do something immoral." So go without. We live in a world where many people have to go without … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/15 04:10 AM |
| 0 | If Blue Pills, particularly women, are so disgusted by Red Pill stratagy, why not just not respond to it?"X should be allowed" and "x shouldn't bother you" are distinct statements. It should absolutely be allowed for people to think and say misogynistic things. It doesn't follow that I therefore shouldn't be bothered by it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/15 01:51 AM |
| 4 | If Blue Pills, particularly women, are so disgusted by Red Pill stratagy, why not just not respond to it?Approaching random girls on the street is my only alternative to dying alone. It absolutely isn't. You're setting up a false dilemma in order to justify your decision to behave obnoxiously. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/15 01:43 AM |
| 4 | If Blue Pills, particularly women, are so disgusted by Red Pill stratagy, why not just not respond to it?how and when would you want to get approached Not at all, and never? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/15 01:40 AM |
| 1 | What does a "healthy" relationship look like?In the words of Theodore Sturgeon, "90% of everything is crap". There are certainly a lot of terrible relationships out there. Still, if you want to make one yourself, you'd be wise to pay close attention to the minority that are good. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/15 03:53 PM |
| 1 | Being a young straight white women is the easiest thing to be in the West in 2015you're being disingenuous This really rubs me the wrong way. I'm more than happy to be shown to be wrong if I'm wrong. Telling me I'm incorrect is absolutely fine - even better if you've got evidence. Telling me that I'm dishonestly claiming to believe things that I do not in fact believe is an ad hominem and - of course - completely unverifiable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/15 06:15 AM |
| 2 | Being a young straight white women is the easiest thing to be in the West in 2015Well, I don't like the conceptual framing of "privilege" because it tends to treat structural social factors as "things" that an individual person "has". That may be how they are experienced at an individual level but it leads to very muddled thinking about why such "privilege" exists or how it could be changed for the better. I think that your ranking is not really accurate, either, mostly because I don't think being a woman is straightforwardly either easier or harder than being a man. There a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/15 05:46 AM |
| 2 | Being a young straight white women is the easiest thing to be in the West in 2015Well, if it's a matter of "other things being equal", then most of what you're claiming is just obvious. "Other things being equal, it's easier to be young than to be old." Obviously. "Other things being equal, it's easier to be straight than to be gay." You don't say. The only non-obvious part is this: "other things being equal, it's easier to be a woman than to be a man." Although, before I respond to that, let me check: are you saying, "Other things being equal, it's easier to be a woman than… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/15 05:03 AM |
| 3 | Being a young straight white women is the easiest thing to be in the West in 2015Does young / straight / white supercede all other categorisation? For example, "Anna" is 22, straight, white, overweight, unemployed, and lives in a trailer park with her alcoholic mother. "Beth" is 29, a lawyer, straight, Asian, slim, and lives in one of her father's three main investment properties. Should a rational person prefer the chance to become Anna than Beth because she would be younger and whiter and therefore have an easier life? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/15 03:17 AM |
| 3 | If TRP doesn't work, what's you method?Most men aren't going to "achieve the volume of sexual conquests they desire" because a lot of men desire a lot of sex, and the number of women who have similar levels of desire is relatively low. Traditionally this mismatch between supply and demand has been "corrected" through prostitution; the simplest way to have more sex is to pay for it. If you're not willing or able to do that, well, you're in competition with all the other men who want the same things you do, and the answer is, "be attra… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/15 01:00 AM |
| 4 | What do you think of feminists who try to undermine science as a source for knowledge?Did the proto-mitochondrion who evolved into the current mitochondrion's niche prevent the proto-mitochondria who didn't evolve into that niche from occupying the niche which they had previously been occupying? If competition just means "success", then you're working with an excessively broad definition. The defining quality of competition is that it involves competing for scarce or limited resources against competitors who will miss out on those resources if you manage to get to them first. If … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/15 12:33 AM |
| 4 | What do you think of feminists who try to undermine science as a source for knowledge?Well, consider the case of the mitochondria. These evolved from free-living bacteria into organelles living inside other cells. They're the things inside the cells of your body which transform glucose into ATP. You could use the glucose for energy directly, but it would be far, far less efficient than allowing the mitochondria to turn that glucose into ATP. Large, complex animals like you and I wouldn't be possible without the role played by mitochondria in the cell. I suggest that the "discover… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/02/15 04:29 PM |
| 4 | What do you think of feminists who try to undermine science as a source for knowledge?Where was I moralising? Are you assuming that the only way to arrive at a position other than your own is to begin with "morally nice but objectively incorrect" premises? Evolution IS competition I'd say, rather, that evolution involves competition, but there are many other aspects of it also. Your error is one of essentialising; having grasped one important element of evolution, you declare it to be the reality, the entirety, the essence of evolution. Yet, unless there's an argument for this be… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/02/15 10:35 AM |
| -1 | What do you think of feminists who try to undermine science as a source for knowledge?Really? Because all biological phenomena are hierarchical and competitive? There are none which are non-hierarchical, or collaborative, or which involve a mixture of competitive and collaborative phenomena? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/02/15 12:27 AM |
| 4 | What do you think of feminists who try to undermine science as a source for knowledge?Thanks for this excellent summary. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/02/15 12:25 AM |
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