letstalkgender Archive

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0	Polls show only 20% of people identify as a feminist, so why are we spending 90% of our time attacking feminism? They have bought into 90% of feminism's claims about the historical oppression of women, and are saying, "well, yeah, but women aren't oppressed NOW", instead of realizing that feminism's historical claims, claims that inspired a huge amount of legislation and policy that exists today, and which lie at the root of innumerable social problems such as fatherlessness, are no more valid than their contemporary ones. I agree to a large extent. However, with the current state of the debate, you can wi…	/r/MensRights	12/12/14 08:01 PM
6	Polls show only 20% of people identify as a feminist, so why are we spending 90% of our time attacking feminism? I see where you are coming from, and to a large extent, I agree with you. But to tear down misandrist feminism is a necessary step to achieve what you and I want. Who do you think is orchestrating the opposition against men's shelters and men's study programs?	/r/MensRights	12/12/14 02:35 PM
3	Polls show only 20% of people identify as a feminist, so why are we spending 90% of our time attacking feminism? The two are not mutually exclusive. I just meant to show why it is worthwhile (and called for) to attack feminism in some instances.	/r/MensRights	12/12/14 02:32 PM
5	Polls show only 20% of people identify as a feminist, so why are we spending 90% of our time attacking feminism? Well, most of our battles are defensive or - in the strictest sense of the word - reactionary ones: The fight to keep or reinstitute due process rights for college men, for example. There no new or fancy idea to throw around, it mostly consists in exposing the lunacy of the other side.	/r/MensRights	12/12/14 01:46 PM
3	Polls show only 20% of people identify as a feminist, so why are we spending 90% of our time attacking feminism? What I want: Equal rights and an end to the perpetual vilification of men. Institutionalized feminism is preventing the former, feminist media and the feminist twitter hivemind the latter.	/r/MensRights	12/12/14 01:06 PM
6	Predictably... : "Female tech writer gets death threats after criticising comet-landing scientist's sexist shirt" Oh, I fully understand it. I just don't share the sentiment. There is such a thing as informed dissent.	/r/MensRights	14/11/14 11:44 PM
6	Predictably... : "Female tech writer gets death threats after criticising comet-landing scientist's sexist shirt" Its a depiction of women as sex objects and decoration, which they object to - especially in the professional world. Again, highlighting one aspect of somebody's being is not equivalent to them being reduced to an object. When I compliment my barber about his good work, I am not reducing him to a cutting-object. Its totally unrealistic. Yeah, just like He-Man. Pop culture idealizes things. It's what it does. To you this is positive, to them its not. Hey, I personally have a big problem with the …	/r/MensRights	14/11/14 11:32 PM
6	Predictably... : "Female tech writer gets death threats after criticising comet-landing scientist's sexist shirt" No, that would still be a bad analogy because it would depict them in a bad light, highlighting a negative trait. The shirt - as tacky as it is - is depicting these women in a positive light, it is highlighting their sexyness.	/r/MensRights	14/11/14 11:07 PM
3	Predictably... : "Female tech writer gets death threats after criticising comet-landing scientist's sexist shirt" That's not a good analogy. The terrible shirt is celebrating something the (female!) artist apparently thinks some women are good at: being sexy. Highlighting one aspect of their being is not equivalent to reducing them. Those women depicted on the shirt could be scientists for all we know. And didn't feminism teach us not to judge women by the outfit they are wearing? So, what would be a better analogy? A shirt depicting men as being great soldiers maybe. It would celebrate an aspect of our cul…	/r/MensRights	14/11/14 10:31 PM
2	British student who claims she was raped in Florence nightclub toilet is told she faces up to 12 years in Italian jail on false allegation charges Maybe it contradicts one of her earlier statements, we don't know. Speculation can go either way. We should wait for more information before we cast a judgement. She should be considered innocent until proven guilty, as should he.	/r/MensRights	14/11/14 07:29 AM
18	British student who claims she was raped in Florence nightclub toilet is told she faces up to 12 years in Italian jail on false allegation charges More info, for those of you who read Italian: http://www.crimeblog.it/post/144764/21enne-denuncia-stupro-accusata-di-simulazione-di-reato Oggi però è arrivata la smentita grazie a un video. La giovane e l'uomo che l'avrebbe violentata sono stati ripresi mentre escono dal bagno, in un atteggiamento incompatibile con l'aggressione. Inoltre, anche i medici non hanno riscontrato tracce di violenza sulla giovane. The article states that they left the bathroom in a manner suggesting rape didn't take p…	/r/MensRights	13/11/14 07:19 PM
0	As an MRA, are you also a feminist? I am sympathetic towards some of the ideas of first-wave feminists and I am very sympathetic towards (classical) liberal feminism whose proponents nowadays seem to call themselves equity feminists. I am entirely opposed to second-wave radical feminism and third wave gender feminism. Likewise, I support liberal MHRAs and I am very skeptical when it comes to conservative activists and traditionalists. As a rule of thumb: I support any movement that aims at achieving equal legal rights for men and …	/r/MensRights	10/09/14 09:15 PM
2	Should I keep trying to talk to people about my feelings regarding the MRM? Another strategy (with admittedly limited use) is to substitute "black people" or "jews" for "men" in their statements. A good rule of thumb: if it sounds incredibly racist and abhorrent, it is probably time for them to reconsider their views.	/r/MensRights	07/09/14 07:51 PM
1	Should I keep trying to talk to people about my feelings regarding the MRM? I don't think that is where that word stems from. And I also haven't seen it used much for male shaming. The only place where I see it frequently being used are male dominated places (gaming communities, image boards etc.), where men use it to insult each other, but not with the intent of gender-shaming the attacked.	/r/MensRights	07/09/14 07:46 PM
1	Should I keep trying to talk to people about my feelings regarding the MRM? The problem is that people always have the worst kind of fgm and the most harmless form of mgm in mind. Come to think of it, I really don't know how prevalent all of these are outside of the West. I should really do some research.	/r/MensRights	07/09/14 07:44 PM
5	Not gonna watch John Oliver anymore after this episode about 'Wage Gap' I agree with your reasoning. But the thing is that the wage gap myth is used as a lever to push for legislation that discriminates men in the workplace (you know, for "compensation"). In several European countries, there are fixed quota systems in place which deny men equal opportunity (both to get a promotion and to get a job in the first place). As far as I followed the discussions surroundings the establishment of these laws, policies, or guidelines, the wage gap myth always came up. It is a …	/r/MensRights	07/09/14 07:41 PM
3	Should I keep trying to talk to people about my feelings regarding the MRM? My advice for talking about these issues in real life: Keep it simple. Don't bother with statistics if you can't link to them. As far as other people are concerned, you could just as well have made them up. Use simple analogies instead. Poke at logical inconsistencies. Ask others how they would feel if the genders were reversed. Take the wage gap, for example. If you can't deliver a lecture on statistics, don't. Ask them why profit-oriented companies still hire men if they could just hire women …	/r/MensRights	07/09/14 07:11 AM
1	A Warning: About Reading TumblrAtRest and TumblrInAction Eh, at this point, I could probably start a feminist tumblr. I've become quite good at making up signs of female oppression. Once you got the vocabulary down and the basic principles (women are children without agency, men are demonic conspirators), it's easy. It's quite the party trick.	/r/MensRights	07/09/14 05:01 AM
2	Should I keep trying to talk to people about my feelings regarding the MRM? Sadly, I found this to be the case: Men are not allowed to complain, or hurt. Quite, ironically the only acceptable ways to talk about men's issues, it seems, is from a position of power: you may mock feminists for their logical inconsistencies, or you may start a funny and sarcastic rant every once in a while (think Dr. Cox of scrubs fame), but you may never do so in a way that suggests weakness or hurt, or else you're ridiculed for it.	/r/MensRights	07/09/14 04:54 AM
113	5 Feminist Myths That Will Not Die One of the things that always infuriated me about most second- and third-wave feminists is their utter disdain for the idea of female agency.	/r/MensRights	02/09/14 04:35 PM