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The idea of immediate sexual attraction has always been utterly alien to me. I can absolutely appreciate when someone's attractive, but there's zero lust connection and my mind never leaps to sex with that person - I'd find them attractive in the same way I'd look at beautiful architecture or a Renaissance painting and know it looks amazing, you know? It's purely aesthetic. It's only when I'm exposed to who they are as a person and the chemistry that comes with actual interaction that my sexuali…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 08:16 PM
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Unfortunately so. :( Back to the blue pill for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 02:32 AM
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Rapist tells her if she makes a noise, he'll kill her.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 01:26 AM
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Or say yes earlier in the night and say no later.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 01:14 AM
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A safe space for those who think subscribing to The Red Pill (or RedPillWomen) has caused more pain than gain in their lives ... most comments are from TRPs telling us that TRP is still right
/r/ExRedPill21/10/15 08:38 PM
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Sure. But it flies in the face of men who claim that 'any woman can get laid with ease.' Clearly not.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 01:44 AM
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I'll quote the study for you. Women send extremely few messages to both attractive and unattractive men. If the 20% and the 80% get the same extremely small number of messages, that means the majority of the "below average" don't get a message at all. So it's not fair to say that women message less attractive men. These charts [female] and [male] indicate that women are more likely to respond to the 'least attractive male senders' than men are to respond to the 'least attractive female senders',…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 08:25 PM
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Oh no, not that line of reasoning again I'm quoting the OkCupid study word for word. It's not my 'line of reasoning'; it's theirs. Here's the link. I'll quote it for you. http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-looks-and-online-dating/ When it comes down to actually choosing targets, men choose the modelesque. ... 2/3 of male messages go to the top 1/3 of women. ... So basically, guys are fighting each other 2-for-1 for the absolute best-rated females, while plenty of potentially charming, even c…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 08:17 PM
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The okcupid study indicated that women find eighty percent of men's photos unattractive, but messaged them anyway. Men rated women's photos on a bell curve, but only messaged the top twenty percent of women. Basically, the results showed that women selected based on profile, whereas men selected based on photo. But no one ever reads that far, it seems.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 03:38 AM
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It's literally as simple as 'different strokes for different folks.' Women are different and like different things. There's not much to it. Redpill tactics select for women who like that kind of man and select against women who don't. Confirmation bias tells redpillers that that means 'red pill works' because they believe AWALT, but really, they're selecting against women who don't, so they don't see the women who aren't 'like that'.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 02:50 AM
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Men would rather have a women they can mold to be perfect for them. And women don't? Then why does the trope about women trying to change men exist? Usually but not always women who are experienced have baggage issues so its less baggage in theory with a partner with a low N count. And men with experience don't have baggage issues? This runs contrary to everything I've seen so far. People in general with more life experiences - not necessarily just sexual ones - are going to have more baggage th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 11:17 PM
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Women being good at sex is not usually a factor in attraction which is why men do not go for this I'd like to see evidence that a) men don't care about women being good at sex and b) that women care more about sex skill than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 10:55 PM
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The argument is if you were the NEXT partner of one of the two above examples, which one is more likely to be skilled at pleasuring people. More experience with different things is. So that means women who've had multiple partners will be better at pleasing you, too, then, right? Or is your logic only one-way? Thanks for the links to the opinion pieces. ..By doctors who are scientifically backed with decades of experience in the field, who know more about this than you do. Strong reasoning skill…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 10:46 PM
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Men like women with a tight vajayjay so they like women with low N counts. That doesn't even make sense, though. There is zero scientific backing for that whatsoever - N count also has little to do with how much sex you have (e.g. a person who has one partner and fucks multiple times a day over five years has had more sex than someone who's had 50 partners they've only had sex with once over a five year time span). I thought TRP was about science and logic? The internal logic doesn't even follow…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 09:17 PM
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Do you have examples of what you're talking about, then, if it's a different argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 08:57 PM
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Sorry, how is this different at all from men defending men doing something but if a woman does it they demonize it? Examples being things like being head of household, having multiple sexual partners, focusing on career over household, being sexually dominant, etc. Totally okay for men, but if a woman participates in these things, suddenly she's completely demonized. Men tend to get mad at women before they get mad at other men, too - that's essentially the entire basis of TRP's 'anger stage'. H…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 08:40 PM
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It doesn't specify whether it's initiating messages or replying.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 01:09 AM
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Out of curiosity, are you getting the 8 figure from the OkCupid Study? Because if so, that study actually says that men only pay attention to above 8, and while women may find sub-8 less physically attractive, they go on to date them anyway. No one ever reads that study, it seems. Men only pay attention to the hottest 20% of women and the bottom 80% doesn't exist to them. Women only find the top 20% of men's photos attractive, but go on to message them anyway. Which flies totally in the face of …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 01:53 AM
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I thought men don't do fee fees?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/15 12:57 AM
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Men want to be desired by the best woman with the most options, too. RP makes this especially obvious with the numbering system; they want a woman who is seen as attractive by other men, and they want to know that it's him who keeps her there.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/15 12:38 AM
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There's a large difference between giving advice and assuming you know how men and women think. If you make that claim, you best have evidence that isn't anecdotal.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/15 07:38 PM
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Study, observation, gathering information, critical thinking, applying my skill, knowledge, training and expertise to the information gathered; and reaching conclusions. TL;DR? Anecdotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/15 05:24 AM
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b-b-b-but AWALT! AWALT! AWALT!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/15 05:23 AM
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If you think men are such base, simple creatures that they only need looks, that's on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 05:30 PM
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Well, if you think men are really that simple, that's your thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 03:35 AM
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I'm not really arguing for or against RP, just against the idea that it's only men who are 'supposed' to have many partners from an evolutionary perspective, which is a common argument of people in RP. It can be classified as 'multiple alphas,' sure, but it also goes against the notion that women are 'supposed' to be dedicated wives for one man, when it can be argued that's the opposite of what women are 'supposed' to do, from an evolutionary perspective. Not that I believe in the term 'supposed…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 01:06 AM
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The ancient Celts were polygamous and certain Celts in Scotland were, according to Caesar, specifically polyandrous, meaning their women could have multiple husbands. http://www.celtlearn.org/pdfs/women.pdf Both polyandry and polygamy appear to have been practiced, although having more than one husband appears to have been more common in Scotland. http://web.clark.edu/afisher/HIST251/lecture_texts/ancient_celtic.doc I'm sure there's more sources, but I'm low on time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 12:18 AM
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I think it's more likely that humans are, by default, polyamorous and sexually opportunistic/adaptive, than strictly polygynous or polyandrous as a species. We get settled into one or the other based on culture, environment, and resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 11:27 PM
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In American culture, and even then, I'm skeptical. Women also do simultaneous polyandry (I mean, you redpillers talk about it all the time, just with different words.. something something hypergamy something something?), they just do it under the table or without attaching themselves to any one man to begin with. Don't forget that polyamory is a thing, and it's plenty common to see one woman with many men in that context. In certain cultures in Tibet, Bhutan, Nepal, Nigeria, Polynesia, Brazil, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 11:17 PM
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You can pick whatever female you think is most desirable to most men. You haven't disproven my point. Reddit just seems to love Emma Watson, so I picked her.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 11:10 PM
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From a purely evopsych life-in-a-vacuum perspective, it is better for a female to have multiple partners to ensure greater genetic diversity in her offspring. It gives some genetic variability that could enable some of her offspring to survive if the environment should change. It is bad for males, sure, because they don't know which offspring are theirs or if they even passed their genes on at all - hence the creation of rules to contain female sexuality, particularly post-agriculture/post-patri…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 11:03 PM
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As if Emma Watson would post a date request and wouldn't get thousands of men vying for a chance at that date. I guess that proves polyandry, if your example proves polygyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 10:48 PM
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Yep. But all you get from this guy is "I'm not discussing this with you (...) your stats are cherry picked (...) I moderate a big marriage forum", and somehow that's more valid than your well-explained list of actual, sourced statistics (fair play for that, by the way, I never have the energy to even attempt to start stuff like this, mainly 'cuz of all ad-hominem, mental gymnastics, etc. they employ to avoid cold, hard stats. Respect!). That's The Red Pill for you, though. All about dat science.…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 11:46 PM
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I like it when someone who bases their entire worldview on cherry-picked stats calls out someone else for an instance of cherry-picked stats. It's tickling. DAE confirmation bias?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 11:37 PM
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Yes. Because you're looking at BP, and the whole point of the subreddit is to make fun of TRP-related logical fallacies, not write essays on them. Why would they waste time deconstructing RP posts when everyone there already knows why it's ridiculous? They also don't do it in TRP because, despite all its convulsions about free speech, they ban anyone who isn't RP from posting. PPD is basically TRP lite, and any time anyone attempts to produce an argument, they're swarmed with TRPs giving out ad …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 01:24 AM
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No, because I don't know any BPs who've actually bothered trying to argue it instead of just laughing at the mental gymnastics. I said I'd field your questions, but I'm not going to defend someone else's post, that's idiocy. Also because, like anyone else in the world, I don't spend my afternoons trawling the internet for BP posts for use in scenarios like this. I've seen them. You can root them out if you please, but I'm assuming you're not going to for the same reason I'm not going to - it's a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 01:16 AM
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ABPALT? Is that what you're going for? Am I supposed to answer for another human I don't know? Some people are wrong. Just like a massive percentage of TRPers are wrong about what BP entails. Do you want me to ask you to answer for all of TRP's idiocy, too? If you want to work from that post, bullet point what's wrong with it and I'll tackle it. But make sure you're only pointing out things that are objectively wrong, and not TRP-universe wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 01:09 AM
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I and many other BPers understand it perfectly well, but think it's too ridden with fallacies to take seriously in any way. Of course some people don't get it, just like anything else, but the majority of BPers just don't want to waste their time arguing over fallacies.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 01:03 AM
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You can understand something and still find it illogical and not worth adhering to. People who are BP but read TRP/PPD mostly do so for entertainment, or for the same reason TRPs look at feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 12:53 AM
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No. You don't. You're just living in a world of confirmation bias. A genuinely confident, secure man does not keep people around that he does not enjoy the presence of or gain fulfillment from, regardless of gender and regardless of what they look like. If they didn't want women (or men) around, they wouldn't have them around - but these men see women as multifaceted human beings who are not defined by their genitals alone, which you clearly do not, which is perhaps why you cannot understand thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 06:32 PM
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Because they're happy, fulfilled people who wouldn't continue doing things that don't fulfill them. They aren't insecure enough with themselves to be completely ruled by their dicks and the opinions of other insecure men. Life becomes a lot more fulfilling when you look at people as humans instead of holes and when you stop living for other men. Funny how that works.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 06:12 PM
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Yes. Many men I know are able to get fulfillment from other human beings without needing to fuck them. What world do you live in where men are ruled only by their dicks and only talk to humans they want to put their penis in? It sounds like a really sad world.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 05:44 PM
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A confidant and an accomplice - someone to tell dumb jokes to, someone to go and do things with, someone to have thoughtful conversations with, a sounding board for all your good and awful ideas, someone to make you feel better when you dun fucked up or you got fucked over, someone to save you from a bad situation, someone to go for a beer with, etc. Do you just not know what having friends is like, or what? How is this even a question?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 05:37 PM
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The answer is the exact same shit men offer in a friendship! Shocking, I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 06:13 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSKyaXkzVvc You're trying to tell me you didn't have your father around and you never felt shit about it? Really? Be honest with yourself, dude. Real honest. Because that cavalier hop-in-hop-out shit fucks kids up real bad. How could you live with yourself knowing that your kid needed your actual fucking presence and you weren't there - by your own choice? Because you just plain didn't feel like it? Because sipping beers on the beach is more appealing than sorting…
/r/askTRP24/02/15 04:37 AM
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Body language reading, observation and pattern perception aren't really things I would consider 'magic powers', and that's all it is.
/r/seduction09/02/15 03:00 AM
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It sucks for women, too. It pretty much sucks for everyone. Hence why it's going away.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/14 04:37 AM
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You know they're not talking about spinning literal plates, right? Every other thread is about how to have as many women as possible, and the ones that aren't about that are about how when women do the same thing it means they're totally worthless. Like, do we even read the same subreddit? Are you just being obtuse? I'm mystified that anyone could think that TRP advocates anything other than either MGTOW or fucking as many women as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/14 04:27 AM
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I genuinely wish there was more research on this. Confrontation, frustration or anger are far more likely than sadness or happiness to make me 'cry'. But it doesn't have to be extreme - in my head or internally speaking, I don't feel much of anything, my logic/argument is no different, and my voice doesn't change in volume or pitch (no sobbing or wailing or yelling), but tears fall regardless. Essentially, it feels like a complete disconnect between my legitimate emotional state and my body's ph…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/14 09:53 PM
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Did you even read the study you got that 80% figure from? Because it comes to a VERY different conclusion to the one you describe.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 05:47 PM
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I'm a woman and I find your confidence in yourself and your worth much more attractive than I would ever find insecurity about money. I'd dump a guy the second he got insecure and competitive about his or my paycheck, but I'd definitely hang onto the guy who lets it roll off his back and just keeps on doin' his thang. Redpillers love to talk about confidence, but this topic is just dripping with insecurity. Women don't want to compete with their partners. They want to be partners with their part…
/r/TheRedPill14/06/14 06:29 PM
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Redpillers' lack of self-awareness and obliviousness is always amusing. You take the cake.
/r/askTRP21/05/14 05:24 PM
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Wow, so much spin it's making me dizzy. The insane level of hamstering in your reply makes this statement all the more ironic. Have you ever studied evolution, anthropology or biology of any sort, or do you get all your 'science' from Roosh and pretend like WEIRD doesn't exist? Just curious, because your reply seems awful ignorant if you actually have studied any of the above.
/r/askTRP21/05/14 05:13 PM
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And you don't believe preferences can be analyzed for what causes them? Do you believe these particular preferences have not changed at all and/or are unalterable and is therefore intrinsic to both genders?
/r/askTRP20/05/14 11:56 PM
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Define best genes before the continuation of this argument; are you solely defining them by physical beauty? Because if so, physical beauty is only a fraction of what ensures your survival. A woman, from a biological perspective and as already mentioned, wants the males most fit for survival to mix her genes with. Studies have proven human sperm have evolved battle tactics - literally - to fight off the sperm of other men. Women have the capability of multiple orgasm and men (usually) do not. Th…
/r/askTRP20/05/14 09:55 PM
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You haven't actually answered my question nor given any reason why it's women's responsibility, and not men's, to either get rid of the draft or participate in it when they had no hand in its inception and were legally barred from participation. You just typed out the 19th amendment with no context for it whatsoever, nor any illustration of how it bolsters your stance. Great argument. Men created the responsibility for themselves and only allowed it for themselves and actively denied women the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 08:41 PM
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Because they believed the draft was dumb in the first place - for men as well as women. And when they did gain voting rights, many women volunteered for the draft but were rebuffed because men dictated women cannot participate in the military. This has only changed in the last few years. So again, explain how women are meant to take responsibility when they are denied the right to do so? Illustrate to me how women were meant to participate in a draft they were literally legally barred from by me…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 08:32 PM
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I'm asking why women get the blame for lack of participation in the draft when they had no say in its inception or their rights within it. You blamed women for shirking responsibility (meaning they, according to you, had some level of responsibility for the draft to shirk in the first place), so illustrate how they did so when they had literally no input in the matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 08:28 PM
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I believe in my heart that women will vote for what's good for them, whereas men will vote for what's good for the country. I think it's more accurate to say that women will vote for what's good for the most people, rich or poor, regardless of the economy or ideology or country or nationality or class, and men will vote for what's good for the economy, nation and their ideology regardless of the people and put themselves/their family/their tribe first and above all else, believing only the peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 08:23 PM
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Okay, first of all, men made up the draft. They made up the rules of the draft. Men made it so only men would be drafted. Women had no say or role in it whatsoever, but they get the blame for 'shirking their responsibilities' - even though it was men who banned them from being drafted in the first place? Can you explain the seeming contradiction here? Why are you blaming women for rules your fellow men made and enforced? Women were literally not allowed to fight, it's not by choice. Are you comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 08:14 PM
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I think the rationalization is that promiscuous women make poor choices for long-term partners because it means they will cheat, and that all the casual sex somehow "uses them up" and makes them unattractive while makes men more attractive(?). 'Promiscuous men make poor choices for long-term partners because it means they will cheat' too. What use is a plate-spinning man to a woman who wants to successfully advance her genes when he's spreading his resources all over the damn place? Wouldn't she…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 07:37 PM
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Why is it possible or desirable for a woman to saddle an alpha man when he has pair-bonded and pair-broken many times with many women, thus lowering his ability to truly pair-bond permanently with a woman in an LTR? History is the best predictor of the future, having slept with many women shows that he likely has low morals or self respect and makes him more likely to cheat on her in the future (Don Draper, anyone?), which is a negative for her as it means he's spending his resources on multiple…
/r/askTRP20/05/14 07:31 PM
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Your biological imperative is to only reproduce with men who will stick around to take care of the child. From that perspective, it's also to reproduce with the strongest and the fittest to ensure gene and offspring survival, whatever that means for the context of our society. Most animal species show that it's not uncommon for the female to cuckhold the males to ensure gene integrity, even in species we view as pair-bonded for life (e.g. some species of birds, ourselves), so it doesn't seem to …
/r/askTRP20/05/14 05:40 PM
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What makes all that untrue of men who are spinning many plates but later expect an LTR with a 'pure' woman? I'm actually genuinely curious. The exact same line of logic can be used for men as it's not inherently gendered. So what's the difference?
/r/askTRP20/05/14 03:59 AM
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If you lie to attract someone, as long as you're with someone you have to keep lying that same lie. If you can't do that, don't lie; wait for someone who's compatible with you. You can't eventually just be yourself, as they weren't attracted to you for that, they're attracted to the lie, so as soon as you reveal yourself, they'll bail. NOT because your qualities are inherently undesirable - believe me, there's someone for everyone, no matter how odd - but because you lied to them and aren't the …
/r/askTRP16/05/14 05:52 PM
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Walt had no concern for providing for his family, he just wanted to be powerful. If he had concern for his family, he wouldn't repeatedly put their lives at risk by entering a life in which he knew criminals would target his home life. A man doesn't risk the lives of the family he provides for, it's illogical to do so as it means you'e wasting resources and time on something that will ultimately fail. And even if no one targeted his family - are his kids really better off with money and without …
/r/askTRP16/05/14 05:39 PM
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Nice rebuttal.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/14 10:37 PM
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Should I also quote the creationists where they say that no evidence will convince them of evolution? If they can actually be quoted as saying that, yes, quote them? Why wouldn't you? I have NEVER said I don't believe in evolution and I've never argued against it; I've never even mentioned the word directly. You're arguing against a strawman. evolution? You still haven't listed these obvious, immediately observable, innate gender differences. I have also never stated I don't believe in evolution…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/14 10:18 PM
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That's a bit disingenuous. You actually fill the gaps with, "until you prove there's a biological difference, I assume the observed differences are a result of environment." Quote me where I state this, please. Again - have you actually read any of my posts? There is a large difference between saying 'it could be this (e.g. biology), but it could also be that (e.g. environment), and maybe that (e.g. environment) effects this (e.g. biology)', which is what I'm doing, and saying 'it's not that (e.…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/14 09:53 PM
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Did you even read my post? What are the individual's hormone levels? Current environment? Past environment? Nutrition during childhood? Nutrition now? What's their culture's biases? What are their individual experiences? Who were their influences? What is conditioning and what is biological? What is genetic or epigenetic vs. what's dictated by sex alone? What is neurological and what is psychological? Nowhere did I say culture and culture alone are the defining aspects of gender - but I can cite…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/14 07:47 PM
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She did some absolutely amazing things; she's to human anthro what Goodall is to chimps, in a few ways. She's had her failings, but hey. No one's perfect. Either way, stuff like this, from a study done by Mead, Mundugumor mothers did not conform to the warm and comforting personalities that mothers in western civilizations adopt. Instead, they laughed at the fears of their children, punished them for crying during injury or discomfort, and joined along in the teasing done by other, older childre…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/14 07:58 AM
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There's simply too many variables to quantify what those differences are and what causes them, essentially. What are the individual's hormone levels? Current environment? Past environment? Nutrition during childhood? Nutrition now? What's their culture's biases? What are their individual experiences? Who were their influences? What is conditioning and what is biological? What is genetic or epigenetic vs. what's dictated by sex alone? What is neurological and what is psychological? How do you exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/14 07:30 AM
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I am one. I know a lot of other ones. I also know about as many men. I still feel the same way. And are you seriously saying men don't take selfies, men don't want female attention nor do they go to ridiculous lengths to get it, and men don't talk about themselves? What world are you living in?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 12:47 AM
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You know, when most of media features men, and movies depict men as action heroes or antiheroes or leaders or otherwise people who do amazing, awe-inducing things, or most comedians who want so desperately to make people laugh are men, or actors or musicians who want to impress and get famous are mostly men, and it's men who are politicians and men who are the most visible in the public eye, and men who were all the class clowns and prank-players and performers and the 'cool crowd' with the big …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 12:01 AM
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The most ironic part is that it is supposed to be some sort of freedom from delusion. Not to mention the constant references to things such as science, biology, rationalism, reason and logic despite a complete lack of understanding, arguing by or adherence to any of these concepts. I'll not mention false attribution, or confirmation and selection bias, because that's a whole other road entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/14 04:34 AM
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I've lived in the gay community, I've seen people who were born with dicks practicing their versions of "femininity". How they talk, how they walk in heels, how they apply make-up and fix their hair I'm sorry, I think I need a clarification - you emphasised the word 'practicing' in reference to gay men, as though you believe women do not practice these things? Women absolutely practice the way they move, talk, enunciate, communicate - and are instructed to do so. Not many will admit it, but we'v…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/14 05:43 AM
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They are more intuitive in social situations in general You know what, I want a source for that - a source that says it comes from 'intuition,' this magical place of 'just happening to know something', and not simple deductive reasoning. I am really good at figuring out social cues. Know why? I looked for them. I learned what they meant. I learned the basis of them, the correlations between them and the situations preceding them. I put two and two together. I imagine myself in their position bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/14 01:32 AM
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There's entire subreddits dedicated to 'hardbody' women and tall women. Tons of men say they'd love a girl if she can play videogames or work a car or be really good at any traditionally 'manly' activity. Look at reddit, half the time if a girl says she does something 'manly,' she's getting 'marry me!' requests through the nose. Let's not kid ourselves. And there's tons of women who adore effette, lithe, campy men who wanna wear a skirt once in awhile. I know, I'm one. Life ain't so black and wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/13 07:42 PM
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I speak with both direct, personal evidence and the scientific kind to back me up. Believe what you like, but your perception is not the only one available.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/13 08:53 AM
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"I have never met a woman who" != "all women". "I have never met a man who" != "all men". "I want this in a woman" != "all men want this in a woman". "She wants this in a man" != "all women want this in a man". And yes, I know men and women who want those traits in partners. You live in a very small world, evidently. Is everything this black-and-white, this simple, this unanalyzed to you? Do you always take what you see for everything there is? Seems rather arrogant and unconsidered. Do some res…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/13 07:24 PM
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unless 17-23yo college girls in Chicago behave differently from those in other cities? They do, actually, yes. They're different from the same demographic in Canada, in Europe, in Asia, in Africa, and between the lot of them. This is your selection bias. You think that you've experienced a handful of girls in one city in one city's culture (which is different to the next city's culture), that somehow, you know that all girls of that demographic everywhere are the same. As someone who's traveled,…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/13 06:20 AM
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Half the people you've ever met != all women, sorry buddy. You've met less than 1 percent of the world's population unless you're a global socialite, which somehow I doubt. For someone who adheres to an ideology that is supposedly backed by science, this demonstrates a hilarious complete lack of comprehension of what, in fact, science and data actually are. There are LOTS of attractive women (yes, some on reddit, shock, horror!) who are nothing like that, but because of your confirmation bias (a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/13 05:43 AM
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i am confident that there is nobody who can do better than me. she really isn't missing anything. are you suggesting i let her fuck other dudes, so she can experience incompetence? That's not confidence, or truth. It's arrogance and complete ego-massaging denial of reality. There absolutely are better than you, same way there's worse than you. Confidence is acceptance of your place in the chain of life, not utter denial of it, and not convincing yourself you're the best in the world. are you sug…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/13 09:00 PM
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i dont specifically seek out confident women. insecurity simply does not bother me. Why? It's incredibly emotionally draining for everyone involved. she can do it with me. why would she want anybody else? (her words, not mine) Because she's human, and humans are sexually attracted to other humans, and humans are curious about new experiences. im not attracted to their incompetence. they happen to be incompetent, and therefore are attracted to my competence. But why not select for competence so y…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/13 06:36 AM
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Well, it sounds like you have some serious double-standards of your own to sort out. Maybe it would be worthwhile to go a little more in depth as to why, exactly, you hold these biases (as if there's any answer other than cultural conditioning and selection/confirmation bias). What does it say about you that you want an insecure woman? What does it say about you that you get to have sex but you deny her the same pleasures? What does it say about you that you're attracted to incompetent women? Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/13 07:46 PM
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I don't really understand why; respect is a human thing, it has no gender. People worthy of my respect are people who are competent, confident, capable, honest, independent, thoughtful, intelligent, adaptable and resilient. I can't figure out how any of those are gendered traits, and I don't understand what sexuality has to do with respect, so I guess the whole 'different standards' thing makes absolutely no sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/13 06:54 PM
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Same thing as a respectable man.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/13 11:36 PM
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You'll be waiting awhile. I've never seen a TRPer source a claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/13 06:43 PM
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You didn't answer my questions. Basically the only realistic aspect of redpill/PUA is that dating is a numbers game. It's true - ask out enough people and someone's gotta give you a yes eventually; it's statistics. It's just a shame that it's wrapped up in such an emotionally and socially unhealthy (and expressly unscientific) theory that leads to men selecting specifically for awful people by being awful people - funny how that works - and then from there assuming that all women are awful/stupi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/13 10:44 PM
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men do not on the whole look at all the hot women getting laid and fail to recognize that unattractive women have a "plight" akin to that of unattractive men Yes, they do, or at least a massive percentage of men do fail to acknowledge the similarity of the plight of unattractive women who are left at the sidelines while their attractive counterparts get all the fun. It's incredibly common among men to hold the belief that it's easier for 'women' - as a whole - to get laid than men, which is pate…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/13 09:26 PM
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Do men see unattractive women as human beings?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/13 09:17 PM
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20,000 people out of how many, exactly? How many of those 20,000 ever tried actually asking people out that they liked? And do all 20,000 of those people get a 'yes' every single time they ask someone for sex/dating/whatever?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/13 09:17 PM
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"Incel" is another dubious term that's based on the presumption that men are entitled to not be celibate, aka are entitled to women to have sex with. This is a dangerous presumption. You can imagine why they'd come to me and my sub for advice when the alternative is stuff like what you just wrote. ..what I wrote being just, you know, telling people that you like them, and asking them out, instead of expecting them to read your mind? Yeah, it's such terrible advice that's clearly never worked for…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/13 09:04 PM
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tl;dr: all that matters to men is sex and anything feminism does for men that doesn't directly have to do with getting laid is irrelevant. Also, men of any calibre of attractiveness somehow deserve and are entitled to fuck the hottest women, and as many as they want, but the reverse is bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/13 08:52 PM
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And unattractive women exist as human beings to men? I find it ironic you're criticizing women for not being attracted to unattractive men when redpill expressly tells you to only engage women who are cream of the crop in looks at the expense of such things as personality. It's projection of the worst sort - the blindness to the hypocrisy of it is astounding.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/13 08:47 PM
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for these guys, there has been nothing they've tried that worked ..because most of them didn't ever try anything. Most of them were self-proclaimed 'introverts' who never asked anyone out or let anyone know how they felt. Most of them spent more time in front of a computer or doing other similarly solitary activities pining than talking to or asking out actual women. The fact that pickup/redpill helped them to meet women is arbitrary; it's simply the first thing they tried that encouraged them t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/13 08:42 PM
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crickets
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/13 12:10 AM
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I think the reason LMR gets attacked so much is because there's usually no mention of how to read the girl's body language to tell whether she's ACTUALLY not into it or it's LMR in the way seddit defines it. If you guys would just clarify it it would come off as a lot less rapey and problematic. As it stands it reads like her body language doesn't even factor in and there's this automatic assumption of 'she's just pretending she doesn't want it' and that can get squicky.
/r/seduction06/07/12 05:01 PM
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It's a fascinating insight into the mind of one woman, certainly. I wouldn't say 'women,' or even 'a majority of women.' Most women seem to see this as more problematic than even Twilight.
/r/seduction06/07/12 04:56 PM
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Turns out women aren't all alike! Who knew?
/r/seduction04/07/12 11:09 PM
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As a woman, this is pretty much it for me.
/r/seduction02/06/12 02:10 PM
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When you talk to someone, not just the girl, about their views or opinions make sure you're HONESTLY doing it to understand that person and not to prove them wrong, "get them to understand" or best them in an battle of wits... or at least make damn sure the person you're talking to wants that right now and enjoys that. Guys may be into those sorts of competitions, but women aren't. This. A million times, this! I LOVE discussing the sciences, politics, history, etc. but I essentially never talk a…
/r/seduction16/05/12 03:13 PM
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I don't think it's that they don't give a shit about fixing the issue. It's that they want to be heard and get their frustrations out of their system before leaping to solutions. But I highly doubt they simply don't wanna fix the issue.
/r/seduction15/05/12 03:07 PM
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A note on this from a female perspective: one of the reasons this problem-solving attitude backfires a lot (besides the listening/empathizing thing) is because it's kind of mildly insulting in a "you really think I haven't thought of that?" kind of way. If you must problem-solve, be extra aware you're not coming off as condescending or saying something really obvious.
/r/seduction14/05/12 09:32 PM
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Ah. I figured it was directed at me considering I'm the OP, but that makes sense. It was a late night last night :p
/r/MensRights01/02/12 12:21 PM
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Erm, not quite. The assumption I could've done without was that I was a feminist. I'm not, nor have I ever been. But the entire paragraph is more or less wrong.
/r/MensRights01/02/12 11:00 AM
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Would you not say the same for someone who was "Pro-Obama" without looking at policies he does that directly conflicted with their view? Or someone that was a "Republican" but didn't look at republican policies they don't agree with? Can you call yourself a "Communist" without understand and knowing the key points of communism and how communism sees the world? Except I have been aware of feminist policies (the many thousands of them), and have never identified as feminist, so your comparison isn…
/r/MensRights31/01/12 09:23 PM
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I don't see much woman hating here. When I do see it, it is usually heavily down voted. I've seen smatterings, but I'm only an occasional lurker rather than dedicated reader, so it's good to know that the trend leans toward downvoting rather than support. There was a fairly popular post this month distinguishing a woman's rights activist and a feminist, and holding the former up as laudable. There's a handful of traditionalists who would like to enforce rigid gender roles who you could describe …
/r/MensRights31/01/12 08:32 PM
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Thank you for taking the time to really get to the crux of the matter; it's definitely given me a lot to think about. I've always supported equal rights and thus call myself an egalitarian; I just have never really considered the thought that feminism is one coherent movement considering every feminist I've ever met or heard speak, from the top to the bottom, was wildly different to one another. To me, the ideology has taken many different directions over time, and it seems odd to take the origi…
/r/MensRights31/01/12 08:29 PM
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For the record I'm not a feminist and have never identified as such. I'm just an observer to both the MRA and feminist movements.
/r/MensRights31/01/12 07:19 PM
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Thanks for the measured, reasonable response. Gave me a bit of food for thought.
/r/MensRights31/01/12 06:36 PM
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Most of us don't. The problem happens when the feminists that we do hate get to slide by under the guise of "equal rights" when they obviously aren't, because other feminists just say "Oh we aren't all like that." Yet, those same feminists will not vilify the blatant man haters. That I can appreciate. Genuinely. But on the other hand, I don't see much vilification of woman-haters here. I'm just wondering why there's two separate standards; shouldn't it be one or the other (generalizations are ok…
/r/MensRights31/01/12 05:49 PM
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Not all feminists subscribe to Patriarchy Theory, though. And people can be genuinely curious without concern trolling.
/r/MensRights31/01/12 05:46 PM
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How? I accept that generalizations are part and parcel of conversing; what I don't understand is why people accept them in some situations (in this case, MRA generalizations toward feminists) but not in others (in this case, feminist generalizations toward MRAs). I'll be posting something similar in a feminist sub later, for the record.
/r/MensRights31/01/12 05:45 PM
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I did; I edited, I missed that tiny sentence. Please respond to my edit instead of my first post.
/r/MensRights31/01/12 05:41 PM
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The one thing you can generalise about all feminists is that they think it's okay to identify as feminist. That means they are willingly uniting themselves with the chauvinist feminists. By this logic no one should be associated with MRAs (or ANY group at all whatsoever) because of the few bad apples. If you think this also applies to MRAs, why are you one (assuming you are one)? Sorry if I'm coming off as ignorant here, I just feel like I'm missing something.
/r/MensRights31/01/12 05:36 PM
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MRAs do not have a set doctrine In fairness, though, neither do feminists - there's many different kinds of people and beliefs tied to feminism, including everything from complete egalitarianness to total female supremacy, and many feminists are linked simply by "shit's fucked up for women in some areas."
/r/MensRights31/01/12 05:24 PM
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If you don't want people on your ass for the content being questionable or "rapey," try adding bits in about the body language to look for, because body language is basically the most important thing in the world when it comes to LMR. e.g. Good, "go for it!" body language: lots of touching, grabbing, stroking, slow, small smiles, playful and slightly low tone of voice with some melody, "bedroom eyes." Bad, "back the fuck off!" body language: touching stops, her body language becomes tense, she w…
/r/seduction30/01/12 04:20 PM
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Well I mean, you're still "using him" for his company. Sure, if you think every friendship in the history of ever was just two people 'using' one another for their company. I am not that cynical, however; it's a matter of 'appreciation,' not 'using.' 'Using' implies that you don't give a fuck about the other person. This is his problem, not hers, and he must grow up and take control to fix it. Bingo. This is why I can't stand guys blaming girls for being friendzoned. It's your responsibility to …
/r/seduction24/01/12 04:40 PM
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Assuming this is the case, what value do women gain from having him around? A friend. Yes, sometimes it actually IS that simple. If he doesn't want to be her friend and only wants her for sex, that's his problem - but just because a girl doesn't tell him to fuck off doesn't mean she's using him or just wants supplication or attention. She probably treats him the same way she treats her female friends. She may not even realize he wants her that way if he doesn't say anything; she probably has no …
/r/seduction24/01/12 03:48 PM
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Girl here. I like a confident guy who doesn't have insecurities/anxieties/issues because it means I won't have to be his therapist or his mother, that he can take care of himself, and that I can trust him to be able to do what he says he's going to do and be who he says he's going to be, and that even if things go bad for awhile (e.g. relationship problems, or loss, or money issues, etc), he will be able to overcome them and work through them and be unafraid to deal with them and grow and mature…
/r/seduction16/01/12 09:25 PM
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In fairness, there aren't many aspects of human nature that can be "completely eliminated." But after high school, the incidences of applauding that kind of behaviour are virtually non-existent.
/r/MensRights03/01/12 02:29 PM
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First article is from 1981 and 1988. Second is from 1994. Wanna try again with something a little more, you know.. current? If that's literally all you could find - cases from 20, 30 years ago - then is it really as big of a problem as it's made out to be in the OP?
/r/MensRights03/01/12 02:24 PM
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Then just try to thread the conversation to another topic as quick as you can. Politics talk should be reserved for people you want to spend time with.
/r/seduction30/12/11 05:36 PM
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Do you want to get into a relationship with her, or just close and move on?
/r/seduction30/12/11 12:04 PM
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Why not? I'd like to see your reasoning. What about men that enjoy sex and have lots of it?
/r/seduction28/12/11 06:32 PM
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There is definitely something to be said for this. You get back what you put out, usually.
/r/seduction28/12/11 06:30 PM
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Sometimes the drug can help get over initial fear, and one can wean oneself off the drug over time until they don't need it at all anymore.
/r/seduction26/12/11 11:47 AM
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Stop smoking indica and start smoking sativa. And shrooms are a dumb idea. You'd be better off on MDMA.
/r/seduction26/12/11 11:45 AM
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K. Recapping. You said this: Ugh...just no. Its completely out there in the open and you're believing too many tales of the bogeyman puritan. This isnt the 50's anymore. (in an effort to disprove the statement you were replying to, which is..) in response to this: Whereas in places like the U.S where sex still has a bit of a taboo (which states that the U.S., in comparison to other (presumably Western, first world) countries, treats sex as a "bit of" (as in, not grossly) a taboo) and I replied b…
/r/seduction15/12/11 10:18 PM
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hedonist place thats going down the shitter Aaaand that's where you lost me. Trolls gonna troll.
/r/seduction15/12/11 08:29 PM
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So basically a lot of conservative (in terms of sexuality) countries, not exactly a good reference. Try out Europe, and you'll understand.
/r/seduction15/12/11 07:24 PM
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Ugh...just no. Its completely out there in the open and you're believing too many tales of the bogeyman puritan. This isnt the 50's anymore. Just curious - have you lived outside of America for any significant stretch of time? As someone who travels a lot, I've noticed America is actually kind of repressed when it comes to sex and nudity in comparison to a lot of other places.. Most of Europe, for one.
/r/seduction15/12/11 02:21 PM
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breaking down her psychological defences and manipulating her emotional state As a girl who reads seddit and normally is totally supportive of a lot of the advice here, reading this line just makes me cringe and become incredibly fucking paranoid. Blah. Swearing off guys now, thanks :(
/r/seduction12/12/11 10:04 PM
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Look at the girls they're attracting with that kind of behaviour, though. They're the guys who end up thinking all girls are superficial/crazy/cheaters/stupid/irrational/illogical/dramatic/god knows what else. tl;dr assholes attract assholes or asshole behaviour attracts asshole behaviour (note: you can also replace 'assholes' with 'insecure people' and the same applies). I'm just saying treat her like you would treat most other people + kino and flirting if you wanna progress it. But guys with …
/r/seduction09/12/11 07:21 PM
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It's because you treated her like a person instead of a goal. Surprisingly, this tends to work like magic on almost all women. You've unlocked success, buddy :) Well done.
/r/seduction09/12/11 05:52 PM
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if you came up to me and started trying to cold read me I would call you out on your bullshit I'm surprised you don't think there's girls out there who would do the same thing to a male PUA. Any time I can tell someone's trying to cold-read me I call bs immediately. It irritates the hell out of me.
/r/seduction04/12/11 04:18 PM
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Another girl here. What she said. A lot of lines/things to say suggested here make me cringe - I have no idea what kind of women respond to them - but confidence + kindness (not being a doormat!) + GENTLE teasing + humour = irresistible combination in a man.
/r/seduction04/12/11 04:16 PM
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The problem I have with this article is that he's basing his argument for false rape claims on lack of physical evidence. Rape evidence is hard to get. If the girl, for fear of her own safety, did not struggle, there would be no marks on her. Even with semen/evidence of penetration, he could claim it was consensual sex, as there would be no evidence of violence. Not to mention, few girls are going to immediately go get evidence processed after a rape due to severe trauma, shame, guilt, etc., and…
/r/MensRights16/11/11 10:54 PM
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I'm not sure "the refugees who may have been witness to gross human rights violations in their native country (e.g. rape, torture, murder, etc.)" would have fit quite as concisely on a cardboard sign.
/r/MensRights01/11/11 03:51 PM
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I assume it's because it's possible that the display would have acted as a trigger to a refugee who had been witness to gross human rights violations in their native country (e.g. rape, torture, murder, etc.).
/r/MensRights31/10/11 05:52 PM
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"Piece of piss" is a Britishism/Irishism (not sure of the origin, used both places) for "easy," not "bad."
/r/MensRights23/09/11 10:11 AM
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There are, and for their efforts, they're labeled "anti-woman" by some feminists and the media. This happens all the time. And as a result, most major male politicians don't want to have anything to do with it. For example, John McCain was consulted to adopt men's rights as part of his Presidential campaign and his reaction was said to be "No, I'm not touching that tar baby." Overall, I think you seriously underestimate just how willing powerful men are to throw other men under the bus. Note how…
/r/MensRights07/09/11 04:13 PM
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Not all douchebags are douchebags for the same reason. But throwing out something like "I don't think it's fair to compare the small number of guys that a douchebags to a huge chunk of the female population that has archaic contradictory beliefs/desires with regard to dating and gender roles" doesn't specify what definition you're using and is only going to get people's backs up, because it effectively just looks like you're saying that, in general, there are way more bad women than bad men. Whi…
/r/MensRights06/09/11 12:28 PM
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In the US and other countries, Feminist groups, with the help of the government, have set up massive amounts of welfare to go to women-only shelters, women-only social safety nets, women-only job programs. There are private groups trying to provide more help to men, but it is hard to make a go of it when you're not given any public aid, and few foundations are willing to help you because you only help males. Surely there must be men in positions of power who would support the cause, though. Most…
/r/MensRights06/09/11 10:38 AM
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I don't think it's fair to compare the small number of guys that a douchebags to a huge chunk of the female population that has archaic contradictory beliefs/desires with regard to dating and gender roles. It's at that point I can't take your argument seriously. There are just as many male douchebags as female douchebags, the only difference is the law. But believe me, your gender is not perfect either, and there's just as many male douches as female douches. Saying otherwise is completely disho…
/r/MensRights06/09/11 10:21 AM
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Women live seven years longer than men, and seniors are the most likely group of any population to vote. So women get one or two more elections, at least, to vote in than men do. Also, men make up the majority of homeless people and the prison population, who are presented with many challenges to vote. So despite that women only make up a small majority, it's made a much bigger majority due to demographics. But you'd have to go further into why more men than women are homeless, why more men than…
/r/MensRights05/09/11 04:04 PM
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But there's roughly as many men as there are women, surely someone can do with them what feminists did with women and find ways to bring them to the voting booths? Is there even any actual activism going on right now? I browse through here once in awhile and often see articles about individual unjust cases, but I've never seen links to actual, say, petitions or call-ins to tv stations (except The View) or other forms of support. Why hasn't anyone started something serious, or, if they have, why …
/r/MensRights05/09/11 03:18 PM
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In fairness, judging by the amount of downvotes I have got during this thread, this applies to both sides - I have not been offensive, denied any truths, said any falsehoods, but simply offered a more moderate viewpoint which is still ENTIRELY in support of their cause, but no one wants to hear it and instead would rather run off someone who otherwise supports and very much believes in their cause. Trying to reason with just about anyone is quite often impossible these days, I guess. I just wish…
/r/MensRights05/09/11 12:32 PM
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You make the argument that not all women or feminists should be held accountable for a powerful few, but the basis of much feminist thinking is that all men should be accountable for the actions of the top 2%. I've found the best way to change the minds of women and/or feminists is simply showing them that they're being illogical, meanwhile campaigning with men's rights groups to rectify law. A lot of women do not respond well to being shouted down, but will usually listen to an argument that is…
/r/MensRights05/09/11 11:08 AM
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This answer displays a shocking ignorance of the laws that are currently in place, which put men at a very serious disadvantage when they find themselves in conflict with a woman. This is usually at the moment when a marriage comes to an end. Alimony, child support, child custody, false accusations to gain an advantage in all such things, etc. I'm sure that you'll say "But these things hurt women too! I have a friend/sister/coworker that really got screwed in divorce court!" Such cases do exist.…
/r/MensRights05/09/11 09:29 AM
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my point was that the backlash you mention is rather one sided. We're seeing the backlash of the draft, among other men's rights issues, now. It's not one-sided at all if MRAs actually start lobbying together. when men had those 'priveliges' you allude too, they also had the responsibility to fight wars, work dangerous jobs, be held accountable for their wives wrong-doings, support their family....i could go on. now we come to this 'backlash', but where are women fighting wars, where are women w…
/r/MensRights05/09/11 09:23 AM
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No, not "any man" does. Some men do, particularly the ones who pick the wrong kinds of women (usually at clubs or bars). Others manage to find perfectly nice women. Just like in reverse.
/r/MensRights05/09/11 09:19 AM
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So start protesting! Start sending in letters to lawmakers en masse! Women started from somewhere, you guys can too, it's not like all hope is lost - take a page out of their book and start lobbying and campaigning yourselves.
/r/MensRights05/09/11 09:17 AM
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I'm not sure what you're arguing against, I acknowledged everything you just said in my post. I've also said numerous times that both sides have extremists to blame. So what's the rant for? I even said I didn't feel the backlash was justified; just that it should be expected. Where are you getting that I'm condoning it from?
/r/MensRights04/09/11 11:09 PM
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But the ones who make the final decisions are still usually men, e.g. judges in court cases. Are they feminists, too? What stops them from setting a precedent? (please don't take this the wrong way, I'm genuinely trying to educate myself here!) And not to doubt your comments (honest!) but do you have sources for the "most voters are women" thing? I haven't seen the stats on it. What country are you referring to, the U.S. I take it? Guess I'll google it. I will not argue that some extremist femin…
/r/MensRights04/09/11 08:08 PM
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You're attacking points I'm not even making, though. I have said numerous times throughout this thread that I in no way support (which means I recognize) the imbalances in the legal system. My argument is against using these laws to justify generalizing all women and feminists as out to get men. Re-read my comments I guess, though I really don't see how I haven't been clear.
/r/MensRights04/09/11 08:03 PM
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TIL anecdotal evidence from one woman who affirms your opinion overrides any dissenting opinions or evidence.
/r/MensRights04/09/11 05:39 PM
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You explicitly said that in the past, "men were entitled to everything" - and you claimed the anti-male bias we see today was a reaction to that. Compared to women, men had more entitlements: voting, working after marriage, status as head of the family, ownership of everything in the house/family, believed over women in the court of law, given preferential treatment in establishments, etc. This in no way means that I believe men were treated completely fairly; of course they weren't, but for the…
/r/MensRights04/09/11 05:35 PM
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That was not what I was saying at all, and we both know it. I mentioned nothing of 'the patriarchy' (I don't even believe in any kind of systematic patriarchy). I was simply acknowledging a simple, observable fact of history: that it is cyclical, and that in the past when similar movements have taken place, there was often extreme reactionism and then a finding of middle ground. This happens over generations, specifically as the ones subject to objectionable policies in the past and therefore pe…
/r/MensRights04/09/11 05:02 PM
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This is backlash from only a few generations ago where the men were entitled to everything - children included, if they wanted them. I'm not saying that justifies it by any means. It doesn't. I am fully in favour of equalizing the courts, believe me. But, judging from history, when there's a revolution against one side and the pendulum swings to the other side, it tends to go too far in the opposite direction for awhile before finally coming to a middle ground. Right now we're still in the 'too …
/r/MensRights04/09/11 04:01 PM
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And so does an asshole man. It's a trait of assholes. So stop associating with assholes. I just don't get how this is a gender debate instead of a selection bias debate. There's clearly assholes on both sides, and clearly there's sensible people on both sides. All it takes is ignoring asshole people, not trying to paint the other side, which constitutes half the entire world population, as the only evil. It seems inherently illogical and more than a little hypocritical, especially if you're up i…
/r/MensRights04/09/11 03:19 PM
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In this age of so-called equality, men are generally still expected to pursue women. Men are still the ones expected to impress women. And women can still expect men to foot the bill to a greater or lesser extent. You can't expect rapid change, though, in fairness - and women are starting to ask out men more and more. It's only been a couple decades and we've already changed enormously, but there's still a long way to go. I think expecting instant change is unreasonable. This kind of behaviour w…
/r/MensRights04/09/11 02:38 PM
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No, you'd have to change it to some equivalent I guess, e.g. replace 'paying for date' with 'getting laid' or 'being a dick' or 'cheating' or some other generalization.
/r/MensRights04/09/11 02:08 PM
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As for choosing which women we go on dates with. Perhaps you just don't know how many women are the way you just described. Men often have to work with what they are given. We often don't have the level of choice that you seem to assume we do. What would you say if the genders in this paragraph were reversed, out of curiosity?
/r/MensRights04/09/11 11:30 AM
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Not the OP but I'm a female who doesn't identify as a feminist. I don't think the term 'feminism' has lost all meaning. I also don't think it's necessarily changed from what it was meant to be. There are still 'true' feminists out there who are searching for genuine equality and just want to address areas in which women are not equal either socially or legally, which is the original idea, which is fine imo. I do think that, sort of like the religious right, which contains many good-hearted, nice…
/r/MensRights04/09/11 11:25 AM
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While that may be true, (that not all women are like that), there are enough of them that are, to make dating and marriage very very risky. Some would say too risky to even try anymore. But can't you see that feminists may feel the same way due to all the individual male assholes they've run into? I'm not a feminist or anything, just curious if it goes both ways for you - in that you feel they're justified in applying their individual experiences to the whole of a gender because "so many of them…
/r/MensRights04/09/11 11:09 AM
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It's a terrible way to judge, because it's entirely superficial; you're projecting your own bitterness onto the image you're seeing. You have no idea what's going on behind the scenes, how much she may or may not know about what he is/isn't really like, how much of what you see is just shooting the shit or being genuinely cruel. You sound insecure and like you're very quick to make snap judgments without really trying to figure out what's going on behind the scenes. This is your biggest obstacle…
/r/seduction30/08/11 05:57 PM
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Do you ask yourself that every single time you see a guy in a reddit photo? I don't. I just see it as a person showing something off that they've done. Unless the topic is attractiveness I don't see how it's relevant to comment on it; the person in the photo, if they were unattractive or male, and showing something off, would not be remarked upon, but the thing they were showing off would be remarked upon. But when an attractive female includes herself in a picture, in the exact same fashion the…
/r/MensRights21/08/11 03:53 PM
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You seem to be ignoring the half of that study that pertains to men. When it comes down to actually choosing targets, men choose the modelesque. 2/3 of male messages go to the top 1/3 of women. Someone like roomtodance above gets nearly 5 times as many messages as a typical woman and 28 times as many messages as a woman at the low end of our curve. Site-wide, two-thirds of male messages go to the best-looking third of women. So basically, guys are fighting each other 2-for-1 for the absolute bes…
/r/MensRights21/08/11 02:40 PM
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In certain fields, maybe. But just look around you, count the amount of times you see a highly successful unattractive woman vs a highly successful unattractive man. Media is the most obvious example of this (think about actresses vs. actors), but it also extends to most other fields. And advertising isn't nearly as directed towards men's image as it is women's.
/r/MensRights21/08/11 02:30 PM
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Well, that's kind of my point. Oftentimes whatever the girl did gets completely overlooked because everyone's commenting on her looks. Which makes anyone on the receiving end of it incredibly jaded because that's all they think people will ever care about. They start losing respect for other people for only caring about looks, they start wondering what the hell is the point of doing anything at all and they start fearing their future when their looks fade. For less attractive female onlookers, i…
/r/MensRights21/08/11 01:02 PM
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I could be mistaken, but typically most of the ire comes out when they're commenting on the woman's attractiveness when it's not relevant to the subject matter of the topic (this may cause ire because of the fact that a lot of women are tired of being evaluated on looks over things like accomplishments or intelligence and feel that loads of comments about physical attractiveness on topics like, say, something they made, or a field they succeeded in - it comes off as though all that matters for a…
/r/MensRights21/08/11 12:23 PM
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Are you really expecting to find women with fantastic conversational skills in a club where most people are going to be drunk? If the women there are boring you, modify your selection bias and start picking up elsewhere. Most people in a club are there for some messy fun, not deep, thought-provoking conversation.
/r/seduction20/08/11 12:25 PM
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Alright, that makes sense :) Thanks for the clarification!
/r/seduction16/08/11 02:59 PM
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I think first off any woman who "declares" herself an Alpha Female may not be worth it to begin with Out of curiosity would you give the same advice to females who are reading seddit, but about males? If not, what exactly is the difference? I'm a little confused, because I see guys aspiring to be alpha all the time, yet everyone in this thread is demonizing a girl who aspires to the same thing.. I don't really get it :s
/r/seduction16/08/11 01:59 PM
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Never assume (at least when you're giving advice).
/r/seduction11/08/11 05:02 PM
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This is really important, because you cannot know for sure what impression a person is going to get of how to say something that they can only see in text. Some lines can come across either really well or really badly depending totally on how you say them, and if there's no clarification as to the mood intended, then a reader may just take the line and end up with a bad reaction without understanding what went wrong because they may have used the wrong tone without even realizing it. Clarify it …
/r/seduction11/08/11 05:00 PM
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I hope I'm just reading this wrong, but; tell a random girl she smells No offense but this could cause some serious insecurities for whatever poor random girl has to be told she smells if this is supposed to be some kind of drive-by thing. If, for whatever reason, anyone actually uses this, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE tell the girl that she doesn't relatively quickly in one way or another. It's really, really cruel if you don't.
/r/seduction10/08/11 12:09 PM
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I certainly wouldn't say so, no. Even up to about 20, 21 - sometimes even older - they're not emotionally mature, no matter how much they think they are. And would you honestly want women to see men only as they were as teens? Come on, it's clearly an unfair generalization.
/r/seduction06/08/11 01:13 AM
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A 16 year old s not a 'woman.' Please don't associate the behaviour of teenagers who are undergoing insane levels of hormonal change with the behaviour of adult women.
/r/seduction05/08/11 10:01 AM
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What the fucking fuck kind of women are you meeting that THAT is your opinion of how the majority of females work? Wtf? The 'women' (bet they've all been teenagers) you've known are insane. They are not a good model for the majority of women. Maybe teenage idiots, but not the majority of adults. Please stop spreading stuff like this, unless you want someone to start saying men are violent, aggressive, will beat you as soon as look at you, or rape you, or are cold and emotionless etc. Because tha…
/r/seduction05/08/11 10:00 AM
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It's to correct the biological imbalance we don't have a choice in. Yes, it sucks for a man to not have a child, but it sucks for a woman who doesn't and has to carry it to term, nevermind health and emotional issues that arise as a result of pregnancy. It is unequal to the male in that he does not get the final say, but it is equally unequal to the female in that she does not have a say in who gets to be the one to carry and deliver. It's a much bigger rights issue (imo) to force someone to end…
/r/MensRights22/07/11 05:46 PM
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Due to biological imbalance that cannot be rectified until we find some way of producing children outside of the female's body, I believe the woman has the 51% in the discussion but that it needs to be discussed at length with the male first. Second part is all too frequently forgotten. But I see huge ethical concerns with forcing women to carry a child they do not want - there are so, so many health concerns (mental and physical) involved with pregnancy. There is no equivalent of pregnancy men …
/r/MensRights22/07/11 04:41 PM
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Well, I've never once heard of a man receiving alimony, so pretty biased I'd say..
/r/MensRights22/07/11 11:12 AM
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Legal abortion isn't just abortion, it's allowing an out for the male by being able to sign a document that states he will have no part in the child's life if the female wishes to carry to term and he doesn't.
/r/MensRights22/07/11 11:06 AM
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Upvotes. Perhaps I can't connect with it or I try to over-interpret it since my personality is otherwise so 'balanced' (for lack of a better term..) and I find it strange I wouldn't be the same in the bedroom - I'm not dominant but not submissive, not loud but not quiet, not insecure but not arrogant sort of thing. Possibly also because I find myself reading into everything and seeing where the basis of it draws from simply out of curiosity and a fascination with psychology and I need to learn t…
/r/MensRights16/07/11 07:58 PM
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The thing is, I have a sneaking feeling that's much easier for a male to do than a female to do (generally and/or statistically speaking), judging by various studies I've read indicating that while men are generally visually turned on, women need to also be psychologically turned on. It's incredibly hard for me (and, if this woman was anything to go by, other women) to separate what I want physically from what I want emotionally. It's incredibly hard for me to pay credence to the idea that what …
/r/MensRights16/07/11 03:15 PM
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Not a feminist, but maybe I can explain this a little: As a female I can't help but wonder about the psychology behind my fantasies. I'm not sure how men are, if they're different or whatever. But if I have a fantasy about something that seems unusual, it's incredibly rare that I'll just run with it without questioning why I'm having it and where the appeal lies. When it comes to BDSM, this questioning tends to happen a lot more often. Sure, the fantasy of being submissive may be hot. But why is…
/r/MensRights16/07/11 12:26 PM
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Why is it usually men who spew this kinda bull? Letting down the team on a topic that most needs solidarity. Brutal. I don't get it at all. Whoever said that is clearly an idiot with absolutely no sense of empathy and equality; violation is violation and it will fuck you up regardless of your gender and regardless of how many of your friends tell you you got 'lucky'. Sick shit :(
/r/MensRights14/07/11 11:21 AM
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Hence, "and expect people to take you seriously" :p
/r/MensRights10/07/11 01:31 PM
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Yeugh. Forgot about The Rules. They're both ridiculous imo. They're only good if you're going for shallow, vapid, insecure types who only care about status, looks and/or money. Not much use if you're going for people with, yanno, a brain..
/r/MensRights09/07/11 09:37 PM
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There's exceptions to literally every rule, there's exceptions to this one, too. And I disagree just as much as anyone here with the privilege women get in the courts. It's easy to get discouraged, because it can take a long time to find the kind of people who are legitimately right for you. But you also have to be willing to understand that you play a role in determining the kind of partners you end up with. This means, you apply conscious or unconscious selection bias that is resulting in you …
/r/MensRights09/07/11 09:32 PM
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I think you misinterpreted what I meant by that. I was simply indicating that it's ridiculous to make generalizations about the thought processes and motivations of half of the population based on extreme-end behaviour. But that's your problem to deal with then, I suppose. We'll have to agree to disagree, unless you want to interview my exes personally and ask them who wore the pants. I just think you're missing out on a lot by clinging so tightly to this kind of thinking. and that you've really…
/r/MensRights09/07/11 09:04 PM
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That's like saying all men want a submissive woman because, due to testosterone, they're more aggressive and that's just how it is, when there's clearly a lot who don't/aren't. Lots do, but there's millions who would complain about that description being used on them, and rightfully so. We're in 2011 now, and honestly I find a lot of the evolution stuff a cop-out, too. We're smart enough and advanced enough to recognize what we want now, and we're smart enough and advanced enough to act outside …
/r/MensRights09/07/11 08:33 PM
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That's a rather sad point of view. You can't really say something like that - implying that half of the entire population operates as a hivemind and desires and wants the same things - and expect people to take you seriously. Individuals are different and will surprise you. There are millions of women who break your outlined stereotype. Your selection bias, however, may prevent you from meeting these types of women, therefore reinforcing your (purely anecdotal, more than likely) opinion. But it'…
/r/MensRights09/07/11 06:28 PM
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A lot seem to take it as a way to put women below them, rather than actually legitimately levelling the playing field. I don't know. I've had much more success with just being honest about myself and my intentions (with this kind of brazen honesty seems to come more genuine confidence, I've found, once you realize that people aren't going to be as weirded out as you think and learn that if they are, they're not the kind of person you're compatible with anyway so it's win-win), and gain much high…
/r/MensRights09/07/11 06:02 PM
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Is there an equivalent guide to men for women, or do men not operate under the hivemind that women apparently do? I wonder what would happen if the article author's girlfriend realized how much conscious manipulation was going on at his end. I never understand these kinds of relationships - how can they be happy or have respect for a partner when they're trying to constantly control every reaction and manipulate/engineer desired responses? I'm not insulting the practice or anything, just genuine…
/r/MensRights09/07/11 04:56 PM
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I think you're really just an egalitarian, in that case :p
/r/MensRights08/07/11 06:47 PM
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So why is indoctrination into mainstream culture okay, but not indoctrination in this way? What's the difference? What makes this more insidious in its indoctrination than mainstream culture? We are indoctrinated by the current system too, you know - this is simply an alternative, and one that doesn't strike me as particularly malicious or potentially damaging to the children, or at least certainly not any more so than anything else. Do you have links to other articles that details the 'active a…
/r/MensRights03/07/11 07:56 PM
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The way you talk is as if the boys are being forced into playing with girl's stuff (what do you call 'boy stuff' and 'girl stuff' anyway?). They're not. They can choose between the cooking stuff AND the trucks. Nobody is 'forcing' the boys to do anything, or at least no more so than they'd be 'forcing' the girls to be playing with boy things. And can you please define what masculine behaviour is before I address that? Or rather, what you view to be 'traditionally masculine' behaviour? Can you cl…
/r/MensRights03/07/11 06:12 PM
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No, I don't think there will be more bis/homosexuals than there normally would be. Why would there be? It looks fair to me. The boys and the girls are receiving identical treatment, identical selection of materials and toys, identical amount of instruction from teachers. Are you implying that classes should be completely gendered at that age because of differing developmental rates? What alternative would you offer - or rather, how is it any different to any normal school system in this respect?…
/r/MensRights03/07/11 06:10 PM
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From what I've read in the article, it's actually entirely about allowing the children to express their freely chosen or naturally arisen gender identities. Nobody's forcing the boys to play with dolls or the girls to play with trucks - they're choosing to do it on their own, as the toys are dispersed evenly, free for any child of any gender to play with. The teachers are just letting the kids be who they are naturally, while educating them about diversity and different kinds of people. Horror o…
/r/MensRights03/07/11 01:44 PM
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Have the ethics of manipulation ever got inside your head before?
/r/seduction07/06/11 11:02 AM

Do you really think humans are all that simple? That literally the only reason heterosexual people of the opposite gender interact must be because someone's horny? We're an intensely social species (we wouldn't exist today if we weren't, we're hopeless as individuals), and inter-gender interaction is required or at least possible for all sorts of things outside of sex for things like, oh, I don't know, society building, modern hunter/gatherer equivalents, and other such human-based projects that…
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