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Gaslighting old people is also wrong. Your biggest fallacy is believing theres no correlation between young age and naivety. Any way that a predator selects for individuals who are easier to manipulate is wrong. There's a reason statutory rape is a crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 07:50 PM
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Its also a heck of a lot nicer tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 02:47 PM
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it doesn't magically stop being predatory after some arbitrary date I don't believe in magic birthdays. People who exploit young peoples naivety are predators whether the law allows you to fuck them at 15 or 18.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 02:44 PM
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Age does matter, see "statutory rape". It might be legal after 15, 16, 17, or 18 depending on where you live, but it doesn't magically stop being predatory after some arbitrary date. You're always going to be a sexual predator if you're exploiting someone's naivety
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 02:12 AM
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You want a partner and that's very different from seeking no strings attached sex. Its a pretty valid question
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 09:29 PM
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Agreed fully
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 08:43 PM
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Dont listen to these guys, its just cope. Im the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 08:30 PM
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Don't know how you get the patience to argue with obtuse people defending predators. Bless your soul
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 08:16 PM
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Gaslighting young people is extra predatory dude, dont be weird now
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 08:13 PM
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I like that my SO is compassionate
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 07:24 PM
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I'd disagree, it really depends on the person. Some men lash out for the smallest of criticisms or even something as simple as correcting an infactual thing they said. As a woman who has to give orders to people at work, i have to use softer language on men than with women Edit: typo
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 07:18 PM
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I'm sorry you feel that way
/r/MGTOW203/06/21 07:13 PM
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That's how i found out about FDS. Its helped my relationship so much. I have pedditors to thank for introducing me to a community of amazing woman who know exactly when to draw the line and stop buying into men's "woe is me" stories. Pedditors are doing their best at a smear campaign against FDS but anyone who actually reads this sub will see its truthful, and tame as hell. Nothing like the manosphere that ALL of reddit males either idolize, excuse or look the other way from. Hypocrisy is built …
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy03/06/21 04:57 PM
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That's exactly why women get educated and invest in their careers. It also helps to have a higher household income when it comes to raising children,
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 10:29 PM
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This is exactly it. Men know that they can't raise a child without money, they also know that marrying down is a stupid idea if you have the option to marry at the same level or up. But they seem to think it's terrible that women do it because it's not convenient to them when it comes to casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 10:19 PM
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Truer words have never been spoken Also more often than not, men only become higher value when they have been "shaped" by women they dated. Women teach men how to empathize properly, socialize properly, work on their careers and navigate the business world. If it weren't for women's mentorship, there number of HVM would drop down to 2%
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy27/03/21 08:20 PM
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Idk what you're talking about, I agreed with you that the prison and justice system should be reformed. Go fight the good fight! Godspeed
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 10:14 PM
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Like I said, I don't like unjustified hierarchies. Google "Equal Credit Opportunity Act in 1974" Now if you'll excuse me, I'm not gonna keep arguing with someone who thinks I shouldn't have the right to own credit cards. Hope you manage to solve men's issues though! I do mean that, I don't like injustice, no matter who is the victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 10:13 PM
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You're repeating what the other guys here said. Read my other replies. It goes far past indifference. Part of doing the whole "feminine" role thing means to stay quiet and let him think he knows or is able to understand things that you don't. It's emasculating to most of them to not do those things. Edit: grammar
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 10:09 PM
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Why don't you stop attacking my rights and instead, write to your MP about how unfair male criminals have it? What does me having a credit card have to do with anything? I'm down to free more prisoners anyway, as long as they're rehabilitated back into society properly. Actually that would be dope
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 02:01 AM
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You see, that was back when men decided everything. I'm kinda liking this timeline where they don't anymore. Why, don't you like it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 01:54 AM
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Lmao @ the draft thing. Ok I'm just gonna pull some arbitrary reason to remove your rights like "hm you don't give birth to babies so hm looks like no credit cards or education for you" You want to dominate women so badly. That's so interesting to me. Is that a biological thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 01:46 AM
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If we had listened to people with your mindset, I wouldn't be allowed to go to school or get a credit card in my own name lmao Also I don't like dictatorships. I don't like any unjustified hierarchies
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 12:45 AM
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What human experiment are you ranting about?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 12:27 AM
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Not that big of a difference considering how many girls showed no preference, small sample size, one study from 2000 was it replicated?, and doesn't undo the many, many other studies that prove how much more cultural upbringing changes people based on sex. Also I'm of the belief that biology does make a small difference, but that it's overblown and oversimplified to the extreme by the general public, and even more so by the TRP ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 12:17 AM
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I wasn't trying to say Chads are identical to women, but that in this specific area (in response to OP) men would and do behave very similarly if they had options the way women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 11:14 PM
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I think most evidence points towards life circumstances playing a much bigger role than TRP understands.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 11:06 PM
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Yeah definitely. Could be a mix of both.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 09:29 PM
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These are biologically engrained age-old thought processes that never go higher than the lizard brain It's not that deep. Think about how a group of Chads would discuss their friends Tinder matches. I guarantee you they will be more similar to female banter than average dudes. Why? Because it's not as rude if your friend has loads of options. That's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 09:26 PM
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Solve, or at least improve things. If women had the assurance that their children will not die of starvation or lack of shelter and education, i.e. basic needs, there will be a larger percentage of women marrying purely for personal companionship. I think income inequality creates a more competitive environment because resources are hard to come by. Reduce the competition, and you increase the sense of cooperation. People will approach dating with fewer anxieties. There is one caveat I would lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 09:08 PM
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Aw thanks, appreciate the kindness. I agree entirely, and I would add that both men and women do less of this whole "groupthink" thing once they are in adulthood. Everyone's priorities change, and social pressure becomes less important.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 08:52 PM
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That's fine, I think you're entirely wrong and your perspective is twisted by your emotions from being bitter and jaded. Nothing that you said in this conversation is logical or provable, and your way of thinking is causing you more harm in your life and is the sole reason why you can't find anyone to connect with. Good luck pal, I truly mean that, I hope you find happiness in your journey
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 08:49 PM
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Too lazy to find the link rn but apparently Gen Z men are also way more likely to be bi than Boomer men. I think culture makes a huge difference
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 07:24 PM
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if you call having sex once a year "having sex". https://www.mindbodygreen.com/articles/how-often-married-couples-have-sex Having sex at least once a month is more common until around age 70. Your theory is that treating your wife with respect gets you sex once a year, when in reality the most important factor is age. Frequency of sex declines (unsurprisingly) with age. Fatherhood is mostly burden and obligation. Sure, women have the babies, but men pay for it all Most men still want kids Women …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 07:07 PM
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Some of the men, not all of the men. Most men are having sex with their wives, you can't look at the ones that arent and say "this is how all relationships are!" lol Who gives a fuck about raising kids and being fathers and husbands when men get NOTHING out of that deal? It's up to you if you want to be childfree of course, but do you really think most men feel that way about fatherhood? As far as I'm aware, most men want kids before they croak lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 06:56 PM
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Hm idk if anything you're saying is true. Pedestalization sucks for everybody. Women aren't saints, they are complex people. Men who put women on pedestals are in love with the idea of the woman, not the real person in front of them. Look at r/niceguys and you will see a lot of examples of when men get rejected and suddenly the entire pedestal collapses. It's a façade, and its a huge red flag. Women in long term relationships aren't friendzoning the men in question, they are in a relationship wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 06:49 PM
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But it's true. See ya
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 06:37 PM
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I think that explains some of it. Being put on a pedestal is pretty toxic for both people and usually a facade for some Niceguy beliefs and it comes across as really fake seeming especially if it's coming from a complete stranger. But being respected as a human being is universally well received. TRP is biased towards men who chase girls who are easy to bed. It's important to remember that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 06:34 PM
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Single moms tend to get stuck with the child and are expected to raise them alone Single dads choose to take the child, there is so few of them in number his is a huge selection bias In addition to this, single dads are treated with more respect as a result of the lack of stigma. They are praised for being the parent who stayed, even if they chose to have a kid with a horribly irresponsible woman. Women are not given this treatment if they chose to have a kid with a horrible irresponsible man. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 06:01 PM
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talking poorly about women as a whole and teaching daughters to "not be like other girls" especially when it's harmless stuff like being into Harry Potter or boy bands, or doing their nails. Just putting down feminine things all the time. acting like they own your sexuality. It's creepy and feels like they see me as property, not a human. not participating in bonding activities with girls
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 05:56 PM
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What do you mean? Most people prefer people who are good with reading emotions and facial expressions because it makes communication easier. What's wrong with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 05:51 PM
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What's your n count and relationship count? And are you Gen X, Y or X? None of what you said here matches what I see in myself and friends my age. I do see it in older women though, my mom's generation didn't care about being respected as human beings. These days women don't need men for basic human needs and can afford to live without them, so things like respect and long term compatibility have become much more important
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 05:48 PM
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The truth is that looks matter for getting your foot through the door, but most normal humans will also vet you for your personality, and compatibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 05:44 PM
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You might mind your own business, but you can't say that's the truth for all guys. I was a bit of an ugly duckling in highschool. I started to come out of my "blunder years" around 17. I saw first hand how guys were teased when their friends saw them talking to me, and how they would get embarased and suddenly change. Obviously that all changed once the acne went away and I grew breasts and got my braces off, but for a while I was able to witness how guys bully each other for "dating down" or ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 05:21 PM
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Most of those men actually don't have great personalities The average man tends to be worse at basic social skills such as reading facial expressions and theory of mind, they tend to have less empathy than women and they don't put a lot of effort in boosting their physical appearance. If their personalities were truly stellar, they dressed well and they demonstrated that they are able and willing to support a family, there would be fewer incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 05:11 PM
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You might have a point only with respect to older guys, but younger guys rip the shit out of each other when they date or fuck girls they think are ugly or socially unpopular.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 04:27 PM
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This. My SO admitted to being very anxious about being bullied for the girls he liked/pursued in school. Men are very concerned with how their friends (and enemies, Fmdrperceive the women they are romantically involved with, especially when it comes to Their looks. I can't count how many times I've seen men tease other men for sleeping with or dating "fatties", or laughing at how ugly, awkward or weird some guy's crush or date is Their sexual history. Even if men already know the girl's sexual h…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 06:16 AM
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May I know your age, your marital status and whether or not you have daughters or sisters? For research purposes pls Redditors like you fascinate me
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 05:31 AM
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Totally read that wrong, my bad
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 03:31 AM
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Why would anyone want to be monogamous with someone who isn't going to be monogamous back? Unless they're into some strange poly kinky shit, most people would find that life pretty miserable If that's your expectation then you'll always be disappointed
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 03:10 AM
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Definitely. The only reason that's even being debated here is because this sub has a lot of toxic people with bad intentions lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 03:02 AM
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Also HR does not give a fuck about you. They care about protecting the company. Taking things to the HR usually backfires. Idk why most people don't already understand this
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 07:53 PM
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I'm just saying there is a big enough correlation where its an incentive to not overly exaggerate humility around men. This. By openly displaying your intellect, and by that I don't mean going out of your way to be pompous and condescending, rather, not hiding it, a woman can more easily pick out the guys who are going to always have this pattern of wanting to belittle you from the guys who are easygoing and don't have a woman problem The pool of men you will be left with will be much smaller, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 07:44 PM
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If it works for you then it works. Men like the type you described don't vibe well with me. I think you will end up selecting for women who aren't actually very socially smart with those "techniques" because it seems fake, calculated, and not genuine vibing. I'm into guys who I have common interests with, the ones who DO think I'm cool and that I can have a genuine, animated conversation with. I feel like that conversation you described is for people who date a lot of people and start to get jad…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 07:25 PM
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I mean yeah that's what ended up happening in my case so it's not all bad
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 07:07 PM
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The correct response is to playfully demonstrate that her “knowing shit” doesn’t really matter to you Exactly, that's the TRP philosophy. Never show a smart woman that you find her intelligence or knowledge about shit interesting. It's kind of sad, but that's how it usually ends up being like. Hence why it's a breath of fresh air when a you do find a man who actually likes talking to you and doesn't act weird about women being intelligent/smart/nerdy whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 01:05 AM
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It doesn't matter how nicely you act, how humble etc. Just showing that you know shit will make most men feel like they have to "one up you" . I'm not saying every man, but undoubtedly being a smart woman means the pool of men who like you shrinks. You have to hold back from sharing what you know or are capable of more as a smart woman than a smart man has to. It's just not attractive for men to feel like their woman knows more than them or is smarter. They feel like less of a man because of it.…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/21 11:50 PM
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Well it wouldn't be the first time lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/21 11:39 PM
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Smart men like the challenge Getting defensive all the time is unattractive and isn't good vibes. I find men tend to take things as a challenge that wasn't really meant to be a challenge. The really smart ones (both high IQ and high EQ) don't take it as a challenge, they take it as an interesting conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/21 11:37 PM
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Exactly, you guys don't want us to act like "men". The thing is, to act like a "woman" means to stay silent, never correct you (even if done as nicely as possible), and basically make you feel smart. Dudes don't get to feel as manly being around a woman who's smarter than him. That's just how things work
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/21 11:28 PM
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It's not just indifference. Men are turned on more when women of all ages act more girlish, dumber, innocent and unaware than she really is. I suspect men prefer a little bit more intelligence in an LTR than in a casual fling, but at the early stage, intelligent women gain more by acting dumber than she really is. For example, if you're a woman with a PhD, you have to wait a lot longer before mentioning this fact than if you were a man. It's like you have to walk on eggshells when dating men. It…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/21 10:39 PM
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In my experience, intelligence puts men off no matter what, you can be kind, you can be whatever, there is definitely a point at which most men get intimidated by female intelligence and that point is much lower than vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/21 10:28 PM
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I guess if you're both sexy and really intelligent then that would be pretty intimidating to the avg woman, but as a sexy female nerd I just think that's hot
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/21 07:39 PM
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Every woman knows you instantly look more attractive to men if you play down your intelligence. Men tend to play their intelligence up, women tend to play theirs down, don't shoot the messenger just because you lack self awareness
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/21 03:52 PM
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Because most men aren't selfish and dominant I think you need a class in basic female sexuality, women orgasm more from having their clitorises stimulated and licked, that disproves your theory about selfishness. Surely you've at least heard that foreplay is important to women's pleasure? If not, do some more research, it's quite important for men to not take your advice if their wish is to make women orgasm better. You actually think Grung the caveman was licking the woman for half an hour! May…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/21 02:02 PM
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Most women don't orgasm from penetrative sex, they orgasm from cunnilingus or other forms of clitoral stimulation. Evolution made it that way so that women could encourage patience and mutual respect from their male partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/21 12:16 AM
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If you're talking about the origins of marriage then that's sociology and anthropology, not history
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/21 08:42 PM
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TIL basic social skills = solipsism
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/21 08:40 PM
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If this were true then it wouldn't be so important for men to last longer in bed. Nor would foreplay and cunnilingus be so important in making women orgasm. So, no, you're entirely wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/21 08:29 PM
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Sounds like an interesting fetish, enjoy your kink
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/21 12:45 AM
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For most people it does. But people need to be able to afford to leave an abusive scenario for the pickiness to made a difference. Beating your wife was a much more common act than it is today, now that rights and financial security is possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/21 12:32 AM
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agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 11:47 PM
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Which
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 11:47 PM
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Have you ever had sex where the girl is actually enjoying it?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 11:46 PM
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I answered your question, you asked why it's more beneficial to confidence w/ respect to TRP/seduction, no? My answer is that it all helps, but confidence with sex skills is more relevant cause it's the actual act you're going to be convincing a woman to do with you See ya I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 10:53 PM
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Those other things can help but it's not the literal thing you're going to be doing with her body. You're going to be doing sex, so your sex skills are hella relevant
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 10:38 PM
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You're trying to convince a woman that you'll be a good lay. Knowing you're a good lay makes this easier, since you're not having to fake it if you already know what you're selling her is good shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 10:29 PM
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I thought we're talking about confidence with relation to TRP, aka seduction?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 10:01 PM
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You need me to explain to you why confidence in one's sex skills is relevant to seduction?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 09:51 PM
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A million things build confidence and are not related to trp. You can just pick one and ask why trp isn’t about This part. Good sex is related to seduction. Far more relevant to one's confidence in seducing women than learning to fight.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 09:27 PM
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No I find your take on it fascinating. I didn't agree with it. It seems to me that TRP has a huge blindspot as far as the confidence boosting aspects of having good sex is concerned. It would be wiser to teach young men to see women as dance partners they can have a blast with, rather than just simple locks and keys. IMO it's a more fulfilling experience for everybody involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 09:23 PM
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Not sure what you're asking here?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 09:14 PM
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Most women admit they cum more from cunnilingus than from penis in vagina intercourse so I don't think this is true
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 09:10 PM
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Fascinating. Thank you for replying
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 09:04 PM
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What does this mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 09:00 PM
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Thank you. I don't hear the topic discussed much, but this is an interesting reason for that. So the assumption I take it is that TRP believes that being attractive to women is the main thing that will get a woman off.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 08:57 PM
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Sexy starfish* not smelly, I said sexy. Because if a woman isn't enjoying herself then she's not going to be doing much more than just laying there, waiting for it to end. And why should I expect that TRP would focus more on good sex? I already explained, the confidence that a man gets from being genuinely good at giving orgasms can be used for future seduction attempts.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 08:53 PM
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I think that knowing one is good at sex is a huge boost to one's attractiveness. Men who have reached that stage will find it easier to convince women that they're a good lay because they have already convinced themselves that they are, just my 2 cents
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 08:50 PM
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Because good sex is more fulfilling than cumming in sexy starfish. Also, the confidence that a man gets from being genuinely good at giving orgasms can be used for future seduction attempts
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 08:47 PM
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should go without saying that a guy with experience is going to get "better" by default, Not just any experience, a guy that can give good experiences is able to acquire a reputation My point here is that reputation can do a lot of the legwork for him. Sex with another person is still far better than masturbation, It's the men who lack experience who fantasize about having a high n count. Men with experience want to actually have a good time and take their experiences to a higher level of enjoym…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 08:43 PM
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So you agree that TRP isn't about good sex
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 08:35 PM
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TRP is still lacking in the pleasure department, but it's good to know they'll discuss it sometimes
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 08:34 PM
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Well mutual pleasure is super hot so I'm glad no one is questioning that
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 08:32 PM
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I don't see the focus being on pleasure, but I know there are some posts here and there on it. That's a good one, thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 08:30 PM
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I haven't come across it yet but can you send me some links. Thanks man
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 08:25 PM
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Yeah I guess I'm probably really weird for thinking it's really hot when both people are having a great time during sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 08:24 PM
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Being good or bad in bed makes up a man's reputation. Take a college guy for example. It's an easy example because it's a closer knit social sphere. College girls talk A LOT about how the men they fuck have performed. I have personally seen men get elevated to God tier levels because a lot of girls around him were passing the word around that he's really good. And other guys were ignored or mocked because of a few bad reviews. I didn't realize so many men were able to enjoy sex in such a lonely …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 08:22 PM
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You're missing the part where TRP concerns itself with intimacy and mutual sexual pleasure. What lessons have TRP taught you about mutual sexual pleasure? Or maybe not ones that you actually learned from TRP, but what lessons do you think TRP has to teach men about having a mutually pleasure filled experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 08:18 PM
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I think is weird to leave "mutually mind-blowing sex" out of the equation if the goal is to improve one's quality of life. The difference between fucking a pocket pussy and fucking a woman who is in ecstasy because of the things you are doing together is like night and day
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 08:15 PM
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You're gonna have to probably ask the people who are bad at it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 08:14 PM
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Isn't being good in bed part of being seen as desirable to women? In my experience, word of mouth about a man's performance is very powerful. Both negatively and positively. Also if it's not about mutual pleasure then is it safe to say that TRP sees no difference between women and masturbation toys?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 08:10 PM
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That's how I see it too, but I don't understand why TRP thinks those inexperienced men wouldn't want to know how to actually do sex good?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 08:08 PM
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Not the person you replied to but I agree that TRP isn't about pleasuring women. I do wonder though, if it's not for mutual pleasure as the endgoal, then what is it for? In my experience, most of the flirting is about signalling to the woman that you will be able to pleasure her. Most women like dominant men in bed, so showing dominance in the flirting stage signals that you will be somewhat the "leading" person in bed. Most women like it when men demonstrate patience and aren't too pushy during…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 08:04 PM
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Please elaborate, what is it that Im missing, where can insights on how to pleasure your partner be found within TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 07:58 PM
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met this beautiful girl. She’s not shallow, But aren't you admitting that you are shallow? Why do you hate it when women care about appearance but the first thing you talk about is a woman's appearance? Do you not see how hypocritical that is?
/r/ExRedPill16/02/21 04:28 PM
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Yeah, definitely contact Roy Hollander if you need an MRA lawyer, he's got your back oh wait, nvm, hes a terrorist who offed himself after killing a judge's son
/r/AntiFeminists24/07/20 06:11 PM
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Paternity insecurity tho
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 08:42 PM
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In my experience it's present to some degree in almost everyone, including women, but some people have it way worse than others
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 09:46 AM
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Idk what you're talking about to be honest and it seems you have a narrow view of the different kinds of men there are. Some men have the Madonna Whore complex more than others. Its a thing. I find it's easier to avoid the worst examples of the MW complex by staying away from guys who seem socially conservative. They're the worst for it. Also check out this article, it sheds some light on how the Madonna Whore complex makes dudes have less satisfying relationships with women. And it's so true. h…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 09:45 AM
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Agreed, in my experience, sex negative people who grew up in puritanical households are more likely to be this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 11:34 PM
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Speaking for myself but not everything a man does in a relationship has to be done with the explicit goal of turning me on in that instant. Having said that, the resentment I would feel if my SO didn't keep up his share of parental responsibilities would make intimacy a lot more difficult. But also I do find men who show genuine caring and compassionate traits to be more attractive, but I'm speaking for myself here.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 11:31 PM
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It's not a waste of time if it helps understand why a man acts the way he does. It helped me better evaluate whether or not to stay with an ex who acted this way. He put me on a pedestal and seemed almost ashamed to be having sex with someone he considered so "angelic", despite my frequent bidding for him to be more sexual and let loose. In my experience, the real waste of time would have been to stay with a guy who has a serious case of Madonna-Whore complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 11:29 PM
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I think they're just generalizations, it's not meant to cover every single man or woman
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 11:25 PM
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Huh? I don't think you're quite understanding what the Madonna Whore complex is
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 11:24 PM
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I don't think it's a minor difference lol I don't bother watching them if it's pure bj and too little eating out. I think the acting does get better, and it's more intimate when you watch "for women" porn but that's just me. There are other things too, but I think the intimacy makes a huge difference. It sounds like a small difference but it's really not. Often in mainstream porn the lack of intimacy and bad acting makes it seem like the actors are just a plug and a socket, not real people havin…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 10:39 PM
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I still find it moves too fast, poor acting/chemistry, and the cunnilingus scenes are typically short or too often non existent with very long blowjob scenes. Thats not inherently bad, it's just not really done with female viewers in mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 10:26 PM
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No one said it's always rape. Also that's your opinion, clearly a lot of women prefer their erotic content to be more intimate, more female pleasure focused and not just jump straight into the action. That shouldn't really be surprising considering that's what they prefer out of real life sex as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 10:15 PM
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She seems to have a weird kink lol so it's kind of a kink troll hybrid
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 06:56 PM
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It's a troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 07:41 AM
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This is the weirdest troll account
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 07:00 AM
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Lmao is this a joke about clueless guys or something idgi
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 06:19 AM
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That's good to know. Thanks for replying.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 04:13 AM
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Yup, this right here.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 04:06 AM
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To me that sounds pretty extreme but you do you bro. Women don't all only have interest in one thing, and neither do men. The media only helps give people ideas for what options they can have, it doesn't force them into different interests. So my original question, if your wife slowly developed an interest that was not within that narrow gender role, would you be less attracted to her? Like let's say she realizes she wants to use her law degree for something in law, is that a deal breaker for yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 03:54 AM
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LOL don't you get a reduction in germaphobia when you're super horny though?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 03:50 AM
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Yeah it's probably for the best. You did good.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 03:48 AM
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Yeah if there's chemistry and hes attentive. Keep in mind some guys just don't know how to please a woman and so they try to copy what they see in porn but don't realize that real women need intimacy, kissing, a slow escalation of sensations etc
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 03:47 AM
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Lol I guess you're just not that into it. That's ok, different strokes for different folks My SO has an ass worship kink and he gets a lot out of it. For me it feels good because it's an erogenous zone for me and it just really turns me on that hes enjoying it so much. I guess it's like why do some guys like motorboating tits? I think some dudes just like the feeling of being enveloped by womanliness. My ex used to love having his head and face squished by my thighs. Similar thing I think
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 03:44 AM
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For a lot of women it's the difference between having an orgasm and not having an orgasm so I wouldn't call it insignificant.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 03:37 AM
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No I think it got popular because eating ass is awesome
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 01:51 AM
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It's usually more intimate. You never see people kissing in porn. Whispering sexy things and whispery dirty talk. It's always loud fake sounding shit. Doesn't sound like how couples actually sound like when they fuck. More foreplay, especially more cunnilingus. Slower build up to more intense fucking is generally appreciated by women. Also most porn is done with a camera and a male audience in mind. Women prefer a bit more realism and intimacy between the actors, even if it involves kinks like c…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 01:47 AM
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The question isn't what's the point of a woman existing with no tits, the question is whether or not more money makes her less attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 01:34 AM
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Not really, since the standard for what counts as a criminal got ridiculous since the 1970s. The number of people in jail for nonviolent crimes skyrocketed. That's not benefiting anyone. You could do more time for possessing crack than cocaine, more time for possessing weed than investment fraud. Also inequality has everything to do with the rise in crime. Denmark has a higher rate of single mothers, yet is really safe and relatively low crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 01:33 AM
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But isn't that why the woman is doing it too? And shouldn't a shit test be a shit test no matter who's doing it?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 01:31 AM
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So you would be less attracted to her if she develops an interest outside of the 1940s gender roles?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 01:29 AM
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So if she doesnt, then it bothers you? Lol what
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 01:28 AM
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I think they're talking about girlfriends, not just a one night stand. Why wouldn't you want your partner to have hobbies and be interesting?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 01:27 AM
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Yeah I don't get it either
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 01:26 AM
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Ive always known men do this but no one really calls it that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 01:20 AM
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Silent, unreceptivity sounds like something someone would do if they're just not that into you or they have options they like better.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 01:20 AM
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Most of seduction techniques are machievelian. All of TRP is machievelian.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 01:17 AM
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TIL guys shit test girls they're interested in too. All the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 01:16 AM
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If that's what it is then it should be called compatibility tests, shit test just sounds like pick up artist lingo
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 01:12 AM
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Down time is sort of necessary when you're incubating a whole new human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 10:28 PM
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Imagine thinking that childcare isn't time spent on children lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 10:26 PM
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I agree that it's likely related to intimidation. People feel most comfortable with partners that are in or around their own economic bracket. If you're way richer, then they could feel ashamed of their own economic status, assume that you'll probably dump them for another partner or feel like you're out of their league.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 10:25 PM
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That's a stretch. Hook up culture already existed before 2008 and women have always felt pressure to put out. If the pressure due to OLD has risen, you should see a decrease in sexlessness in women, not an increase. The more likely reason is a combination of OLD, social media and isolation, the rise in social anxiety, delaying of marriage, economic limitations and increase in precarious work, living with one's parents for longer and longer, and in my opinion these are interconnected. Our society…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 10:17 PM
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If it was all OLD then you wouldn't see women's sexlessness rising too, albeit less sharply, but still a notable rise.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 09:54 PM
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Marriage is being delayed, wages are lower, there are higher rates of loneliness and being solitary, an increase in hours spent on social media and gaming, and higher rates of anxiety overall. I don't think all of sexlessness will be solved by fixing those things because attractiveness is definitely part of it but men aren't doing themselves any favours by spending more time alone and not interacting and developing their social skills with mixed gender groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 09:09 PM
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Not really my point, my point is that being solitary in general is rising. Also men could change their sexlessness if they didn't spend so much of their youth being alone, having their anxieties increased by only interacting with other sexless men. Every year a man spends alone instead of socializing, he becomes less attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 08:42 PM
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Women's sexlessness has increased too. Both genders, both in the West and in the East. I think it has more to do with technology use, less drinking and socializing, and a decrease in wages means fewer people see marriage and/dating as a possibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 08:31 PM
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No one really does though. Posting that cancer on your profile is a surefire way to repel higher quality, stable people
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 08:25 PM
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Lol capitalism is to blame for our society valuing for profit prison labour instead of investing in our children's futures. Women tend to vote for policies that benefit children such as greater investment in education and social services. Men tend to vote for more "tough on crime" politicians and laissez-faire capitalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 08:12 PM
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What's your point? Men make these calculations too, they're just not likely to hurt your feelings so you're not complaining about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 08:06 PM
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Being honest is part what is troubling me with women in West, because aperaently when a woman decides to settle down it is a noble thing, rather than cold blooded calculated move followed by shaming men being insecure, having small dicks and making whole group of people feel bad about themselves for accepting narrow variety of bad options. Lol what? This is really oddly specific
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 08:03 PM
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What makes you assume everyone who picks up girls from the street is a loser? The few ones who do it are the completely opposite of losers. Because you're begging and it looks desperate. It's an unnatural way to meet people and you know nothing about them. Also if you were a great catch, you wouldn't be resorting to asking dozens of complete strangers in daytime for their number. It's not impressive and you look uncool to me. Very few women find this charming, everyone else has a backup plan for…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 09:30 PM
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Nope. It is up to a point though. Too low (0-1) and you raise some red flags like ""why does no one else want him?," the same way you would suspiciously look at a bathroom stall that everyone is avoiding. Too high and you seem unable to be monogamous, impulsive and a massive risk. And important thing to keep in mind is that this is a multi variable equation. Age is also a part of determining how to analyze a man's virginity (if you're a virgin at 30, that's a way worse indication than if you're …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 08:00 AM
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Nope, that's just circular reasoning. The truth is paternity insecurity, nothing else.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 07:56 AM
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That goes both ways. Super high n counts are an indication of high risk relationships and should warn an individual that this person does not typically do long, invested relationships. Thing is, PPD eliminates all nuance and makes it seem like that threshold is way lower than is what typically we see happening IRL. Casual sex is so common these days, that the number needed to seem unstable and high risk is much higher than it used to be, for both genders. PPD is also biased in its population and…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 07:30 AM
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Having a huge n count is not attractive to most women. Having a non zero to moderate n count is appealing because it's like a seal of approval by other women. Having said that, I'd rather fuck a guy who's been with 5-15 women because over that and it doesn't seem special and you start to show some red flags.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 07:11 AM
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When you're young and still a virgin, it's nice to lose your virginity to someone who also will be having a special moment with you. I never found the idea of having sex with a really experienced guy when I was still inexperienced to be appealing. When I started my 20s I ended up meeting a guy who had a reasonably high n count and it was intriguing, but it wasn't absurdly high. If it were too high, it would suffer similar problems, - I'd feel like you're too invested and involved with other wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 07:06 AM
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It do be like that sometimes
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 06:49 AM
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One does not go to the fuckboy Olympics, the fuckboy Olympics comes to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 06:46 AM
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agree. you're essentially being a salesman to random strangers. if you have more to offer upfront, obviously the sale is more appealing to the buyer. i think that for a pitch that don't look so appealing upfront, it might be easier to get them to invest their time and energy in you if you're already doing something enjoyable together (party, meetup, club, etc) than a complete and utter stranger that shares nothing in common with you at all. most people are put off by salespeople approaching them…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 05:07 AM
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i know its a numbers game, i just think it seems like low reward for the effort. heres what i think. i think that when you approach a complete random stranger on the street to ask them to date you, you're basically "cold calling". nobody likes telemarketers, and people hate cold calling the most. so when a guy approaches me on the street i automatically assume a few things 1) must be desperate because this is soo fucking low 2) must do this to 500 girls a day 3) if hes above a 6/10 i assume he m…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 04:13 AM
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idk about that. i am strongly attracted to my bf, my mom is strongly attracted to my dad, 3 out of 4 of my best friends share photos of their bfs and keep gushing about how cute they look and stuff. i think it depends on how attractive the guy is and how her libido is
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 03:56 AM
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you seriously don't actually think this right? i mean sure, it might work for a few really good looking and confident guys, but for most guys IMO the amount of effort required to talk to 200 strangers on the street and making yourself look desperate and weird doesnt sound like its worth the tiny chance of getting a real number. i feel like youll end up also making yourself feel more miserable and less confident after a while of being rejected and treated like a street solicitor.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 03:49 AM
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assertive: having or showing a confident and forceful personality. "patients should be more assertive with their doctors" aggressive: ready or likely to attack or confront; characterized by or resulting from aggression. "he's very uncooperative and aggressive" lmk if you agree. i think we should stop using aggressive because its confusing to people
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 03:31 AM
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i think its because theyre using aggressive and assertive interchangeably when theyre not the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 03:30 AM
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idk about the other ladies but i don't like aggressive, i like assertive. aggressive seems too 'uncaring' about the other persons feelings. assertive behaviour means you care, and know when to push for what you want and need, but also when to stop because otherwise its aggressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 03:30 AM
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and you based all that on?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 02:30 AM
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hey girl whatever floats your boat :) you do you
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 02:20 AM
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because i was young and didn't know any better. i just thought i couldn't orgasm. his parents were super religious and i think it fucked his sexuality up a bit. i thought it could improve over time (it didn't)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 02:08 AM
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Do you understand how social situations work? these guys are almost exlusively all here because they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 01:58 AM
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Your list is top quality. Loved reading this. Excellent observations from start to finish.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 09:02 AM
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Super interesting, thanks for sharing! Hope you meet a guy that doesn't turn out to be a disappointment after you're tied down, but I guess you might not be disappointed if it's your first and only partner so in a way it totally makes sense as a strategy for sexual contentment.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 08:56 AM
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the sexiest decongestant
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 08:18 AM
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yikes
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 08:13 AM
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Feel free to not answer this if you don't feel comfortable : But when you say you don't do premarital sex, do you mean you don't do any sexual activity at all? So like no oral, anal, hand stuff, making out w/ touching, etc.? Also if you're ok with sharing, how old are you? What makes you feel like sex is for marriage, is it religious beliefs, need for commitment, feeling secure with your partner, etc? Again feel free to not answer, just genuinely curious
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 08:05 AM
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That's interesting and I can relate to some of this a lot but I definitely had to straight up tell my SO that I'm into rapeplay (I'll be honest, my tastes have kind of evolved into a more loving kind of domination than before but I digress). I didn't feel I could expect him to actually do anything "rapey" without me giving the explicit go ahead in the beginning by telling him I like him a lot AND go into details about the kind of porn I liked Hahaha. Anyway sorry if that's tmi for you but feel f…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 07:51 AM
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Oooh I've been there, it's so nice and I agree, it's so hot when the guy genuinely shows you that hes able to read you, and cares. I feel like subconsciously I'm already thinking about how good he'll be in bed if he's that good at reading my body language
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 07:46 AM
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Oh nooo that's so true, it's like they're going for the intimidation factor and that's not right at all
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 07:45 AM
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Getting weird when I want to pay my half the bill. I know there’s mixed interpretations of this, I always explain that it’s just fair and we are both adults who agreed to meet up, What part of the world do you live in? I'm from North America but I find that the guys in Europe are way better with regards to not being weird about girls going Dutch. In fact I noticed that there's a lot of subtle cultural differences but I digress. If they can’t carry over the same quality of convo from online and i…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 07:44 AM
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Genuine question, do you think your advice can get through to guys who just don't understand this?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 07:35 AM
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Yeah dawg that's kinda risky as fuck though for him lol i think if youre gonna want that then you should make sure that you show them that you're interested in them and interested in that kind of sexual aggressiveness. Then you can bring out the assertiveness in him and do the kink you're into.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 07:34 AM
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Yes, you can test my boundaries, if you respectfully acknowledge they exist. That is the problem with low self-awareness and indifference to mine. Yes I agree I feel like people who ignore cues are either lacking self awareness or straight up they just don't care about how you feel so they keep being pushy
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 07:26 AM
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The men they rejected don't exist What makes you say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 07:24 AM
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I agree 100%. I kind of feel bad for guys who do that because I can't help but think "umm.. Does this ever work?" It's always the least attractive and charismatic people too so I just assumed they're practising their social skills or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 07:13 AM
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lmao sure dude
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 06:19 AM
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You could have just said you're offended, no need to be passive aggressive about it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 06:04 AM
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Nice gender reveal
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 06:01 AM
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I see, so you basically want someone with similar interests as you
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 05:59 AM
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Not necessarily since it still depends on numbers. I'm not into casual sex as a regular thing, and I prefer a partner who is similar. Wanting my partner to have a similar n count as me isn't being hypocritical.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 05:56 AM
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I understand what you're saying but in my experience observing friends and family who have been there, I've noticed that higher n count people tend to cheat more or won't commit so I view those people as higher risk, maybe they're higher reward if they do settle down and aren't cheaters, but I'm not going to waste my time and possibly endure heartbreak if I could easily next him and find someone who is more likely to develop a good bond with me (which I have, we've been together for almost a dec…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 05:53 AM
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Both if you think there's a difference for you
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 05:39 AM
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we still has great sex up until the time i dumped him I guess that's the difference then, because for me I found him physically hot but the sex was bland and he couldn't make me cum
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 05:39 AM
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I never said it was about casual sex. It's about the actual n count being too high that makes me suspicious.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 05:37 AM
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what's the obvious? you started being rude for no reason. it makes you look bitter and upset
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 05:04 AM
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does this mean you are asexual?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 05:03 AM
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then why are you so mad about it, hate to break it to you but no woman likes a pushy/socially inept man who doesn't know when to stfu
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 05:02 AM
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no wonder why you're single. classic female. Death...taxes and female bullshit name calling and shaming tactics...right on cue! /u/ResultsoverExcuses - error: self awareness not found
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 05:00 AM
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it sounds like you might be one of those guys, no offence. because otherwise you'd understand why "text too much" means "isn't taking the hint, and shutting the fuck up" lol text too quickly = not in tuned with social cues/too pushy
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 04:56 AM
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most people i know would rather be single than deal with all that baggage and shitty traits in a partner
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 04:54 AM
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absolutely. everyone gets less attractive as they get older. men are no exception. the number of 20-38 year old guys i would be DTF with is vastly higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 04:42 AM
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i don't think thats the norm though. id say that in truth, its more like as n-count goes up, likelihood of commitment goes down for both genders. your brain tends to repeat patterns of behaviour throughout your lifetime. if seeking novelty is a big thing for you, then its rare that someone will suddenly flip after years of developing those habits. its kind of like an addict. sure, some people who have done heroin 100 times are able to stop, but the more you do it, the more likely it is that you …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 04:39 AM
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your logic is ignoring the a-priori probability of IPV. IPV is less likely overall than no violence. /u/SmurfESmurfeson is right to say that her partner is more likely to protect her than to attack her because most men in the dating pool don't commit IPV.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 04:05 AM
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everyone has their own limits, but the fact is that women can be choosier than men with regards to casual sex. so their preferences are more likely to be deal breakers because each trait is weighted more highly than for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 03:55 AM
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cant argue with that! lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 03:45 AM
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how attractive would you say you are?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 03:45 AM
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they're less attractive to most women, if you consider that "useless" then thats a very strange definition of "useless"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 03:34 AM
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because hes not happy about the truth
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 03:33 AM
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thats because beggars cant be choosers. if you had a vast selection of women at your fingertips, you can afford to be choosy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 03:32 AM
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i had an ex who was super hot, like a 9 easily (6,3, model type hair and face, worked out). but then i stopped being attracted to him because his personality was boring and the sex was boring
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 03:30 AM
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yes, exactly. i could ignore or even be impressed about a number up to a point. beyond a certain point (over 10 by age 25), and i don't consider them LTR material. if its just a casual fuckbuddy type thing then i'd expand that range up to maybe 15 but not too high because STD risk and also it makes them seem kind of sad to me that they're like that and kills my attraction to them
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 03:28 AM
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I grew up in Canada but went to the UK, met my current long term SO there. His high school and uni sex experience and my UK girl friends' bedcount and sex attitudes are considerably more sex positive. Men there expect that women in their 20s will have slept with between 6-15 guys. Sometimes even higher. They may say they prefer lower if you ask them in private (after 6 yrs my SO still says he doesn't care at all though, and I've only been with 3 including him btw so he has no reason to lie to me…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 09:41 PM
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Sex shouldn't be seen as a reward though. It's mutually beneficial.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 06:48 PM
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In my experience this is not true. You just have to be smart and not let the guys know your number. Or date guys in more sex positive countries. A lot of hot and attractive guys don't care about bed count because they're not insecure, as long as it's not a ridiculous number
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 06:40 PM
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Also just a question for you because I keep seeing MRAs push this narrative that women weren't given the vote because they couldn't be drafted (which conveniently ignores all of the propaganda that hardly ever mentioned anything about the draft, and only invoked gender stereotypes and anxieties surrounding "a woman's place" and mental capabilities). I don't want to go into all the evidence that shows that anti suffragists were mainly concerned with women's gender roles and domestic responsibilit…
/r/MensRights12/09/19 03:34 AM
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Look, I don't mean to sound rude but this is just a tad bit too long for me to reply to in detail. I still disagree with your continued mischaracterization of the points I was making and the way you're framing this discussion so it feels like a mute effort to respond to every point when I don't feel it's relevant to what I'm saying. Traditional gender roles put men in a position of authority and women in a position of requiring protection and less authority. It doesn't matter what a handful of f…
/r/MensRights12/09/19 02:21 AM
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Abortion rights, for example, though frequently presented as a women's rights issue, isn't agreed upon by all women that it should be an inherent right. No, but it's been demonstrated in decades worth of polls that women tend to be more supportive of abortion rights, particularly abortion rights that extend throughout longer lengths of the pregnancy period. Women are also much more likely to hold abortion rights in higher priority than men. It's not only the views that matter, it's where they pl…
/r/MensRights11/09/19 01:29 PM
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The very basis of feminism is anchored in patriarchy theory AKA the idea that men and women are the enemies of each other thats not what patriarchy theory says though that men in power would work in the interests of other men at the expense of women's interests given the chance not every single time, but a lot of the times, this has been true. can you really say that a government that is 100% male wouldn't ignore some women's issues? Likewise, a 100% female government wouldn't ignore some male i…
/r/MensRights11/09/19 03:44 AM
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I agree. I personally think that the way media portrays women hitting men (especially boyfriends/husbands) as not problematic is awful for society for multiple reasons. Even if a slap in the face doesn't do a lot of physical damage as a punch to the jaw, it does emotional damage. Its wounding to the man's self esteem and dignity in the same way that being slapped by a man is. I personally believe that an ideal future requires that feminists and MRAs realize that they disagree on fewer things tha…
/r/MensRights10/09/19 07:51 PM
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Of course
/r/MensRights29/07/19 03:59 PM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/teenagers/comments/cf51ib/serious_my_perspective_on_why_girls_can_feel/ Just today I saw someone call a girl on this sub an “uncivilized dishwasher.” The comment had been upvoted enough that it had positive karma. I mean what is this, the 1920’s? Come on. Again, I am NOT AT ALL trying to say men suck. Y’all are amazing and I genuinely love interacting with you but you gotta try to understand where girls are coming from. We have subs like r/feemagers not to exclude guys bu…
/r/MensRights29/07/19 03:58 PM
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Comment isn't deleted. Also you're quoting completely separate arguments now which is a pretty good indicator that you're not trying to have a reasonable discussion, you're only interested in throwing accusations around. I'm not interested in being pigeonholed. I'm only explaining that I largely agree with some feminist opinions, disagree with others. I also largely agree with some MRA opinions and disagree with others. I'm not interested in convincing you of anything either. I'm only trying to …
/r/MensRights29/07/19 03:38 PM
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Not removed.
/r/MensRights29/07/19 03:30 PM
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When did I imply that MensRights being majority male makes it invalid? Go back and read what I said again.
/r/MensRights27/07/19 09:59 PM
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Hey man I appreciate your supportive words! people who try to post genuinely helpful content, Absolutely! I don't like the dominant culture that has existed here for a while but I think it's changing for the better, and quite fast too if I may add, and that's thanks to the open minded MRAs such as yourself. And there's a growing number of this type of MRA and I'm so happy to see this happen because this movement needs to be more mainstream (for both men and womens sake because men's rights are h…
/r/MensRights27/07/19 09:51 PM
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Why are you still pretending I was talking about menslib when I already corrected you the first time? Also nah i didn't get banned because no one is getting triggered. It also isn't that old. I can demonstrate the exact same effect on newer threads too but nothing is good enough evidence for you lol. But anyway you're not who I'm writing this for anyway, I'm writing this shit here so people can see how much of an echochamber this sub is so everyone can see you're not immune to the same problems …
/r/MensRights27/07/19 09:40 PM
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Nah I still choose to care about both men's and women's rights. Later player.
/r/MensRights27/07/19 06:58 PM
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For the 110th time it wasn't in menslib lol Also no, read it again, the whole thing. I mention specifically toxic femininity. Didn't get banned. Didn't get downvoted. Didn't get removed. My work here is done. Cheers bro
/r/MensRights27/07/19 06:57 PM
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You're making no sense. Here's the truth, yeah? r/MensRights is majority male. Reddit in general is majority male. Feminism is mainstream. Antifeminism is not mainstream. The term feminist is embraced by educated people. Antifeminists people tend to be male and less educated. You' still still haven't linked anything useful yet. Also btw you should definitely check out r/AskFeminists. And r/menslib in addition to this sub. Getting out of this echochamber will be good for you. Try and consume less…
/r/MensRights27/07/19 04:58 PM
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Good job! You understood sarcasm :) Now read the rest of the comment & link. https://np.reddit.com/r/Feminism/comments/chmcsp/what_is_toxic_monogamy_and_how_is_this_affecting/ev5l73t/
/r/MensRights27/07/19 04:52 PM
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It's ok I'm not looking to argue as much as just be here and be visible. This sub is extremely hostile to feminists so no feminist wants to stick around but someone has got to otherwise the echochamber gets more insane everyday.
/r/MensRights27/07/19 02:13 PM
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Sigh.. r/exfeminists has ~500 subscribers lol and it doesn't even say it's a sub specifically for women either. Why would you even link that? I'm also not going to watch YouTube videos. They're hard to source and I want sources right then and there, linked like a well researched paper or article. You also never linked the polls you're talking about. Anyway, feminism is still mainstream. You can get fired for writing "Women should be stay at home mothers" in an email and praised for writing "Wome…
/r/MensRights27/07/19 02:08 PM
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I will when I get the time to look through 7 years of comment history on my main account and when keeping this alt account separate from my main account stops being a priority... For now the best I can do is post a link to a comment I've just posted, it might get taken down, idk, but that would be unfortunate to me as well because i value nuance and freedom to discuss a wider range of topics in a mature way Feminism/ comments/chmcsp/what_is_toxic_monogamy_and_how_is_this_affecting/ev5l73t/
/r/MensRights27/07/19 01:52 PM
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No I know that bro the sub the girls made is called feemagers and it confirms what some of those said in that thread. They say all the same things. They made r /feemagers to escape the harassment from boys in r/teenagers and their constant sexism
/r/MensRights27/07/19 12:45 PM
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Sounds like a fascinating book I'm definitely saving this to have a read later. I think these kinds of insights one of the coolest things about trans people. I know she was only undercover but reading some trans men's stories I've noticed they say very similar things about what its like to go FtM.
/r/MensRights27/07/19 02:33 AM
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Why would they want penises unless they're trans though?
/r/MensRights27/07/19 02:27 AM
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Who has time to read all this? Later dawg
/r/MensRights27/07/19 02:12 AM
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Feminism is mainstream. I wouldn't say antifeminism is overtaking feminism when feminism has had so much progress in the last decade, which is what triggered this uprising in reactionary politics in the first place. Also it's very useful to point out that the more educated a person is, man or woman, the more progressive and feminist their politics tend to be. So like if you have a Bachelor of science you're way more likely to also because in abortion rights, in trans rights, in gay rights, in im…
/r/MensRights27/07/19 02:04 AM
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I didn't say I discussed it in r/menslib for the 109th time I already said I agree their moderating is too intense. I said I've discussed this with feminists in feminist spaces. Did not get banned. Didn't get downvoted. Just not upvoted loads either. I'm just trying to present a more real version of what some feminists think, not saying every feminist space is a utopia there are things I disagree with them in general sometimes. The division between subreddits and movements is not useful for anyo…
/r/MensRights27/07/19 01:58 AM
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They don't disagree with MRAs on every point. There are quite a few things that modern feminists have been waking up to with respect to equality for men especially in the last few years. Today I saw feminists discuss male circumcision in a way that suggested they agreed it should be illegal because its a violation of bodily autonomy. So idk.
/r/MensRights27/07/19 01:54 AM
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Lol doesn't mean anything to me, cause I'm not a victim. Just thought I'd brag about how many of you extremists I've triggered. That's just for saying I'm both an MRA and a feminist. You guys need to stop trying to make this a cult and stop getting so emotional when there is internal disagreement. How is this thing ever going to get bigger if you don't allow for a dialogue without accusing every dissenter of being a troll? Do you even realize how much of an SJW you sound like? You're being a lit…
/r/MensRights27/07/19 01:43 AM
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Well yeah that would kind of make sense with the part where they say they're against the MRA movement and the culture within it. They don't hate r/menslib which are pro men's rights as well as being pro feminist
/r/MensRights26/07/19 08:19 PM
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Yeah you do. You get called a Karen and told that women don't exist repeatedly. Enough women felt uncomfortable enough to make their own sub. I'm sure that doesn't mean anything to you but to me that shows they were not happy with the way they were being treated or the endless sexist jokes. Once or twice is whatever. This wasn't a once in a blue moon thing.
/r/MensRights26/07/19 08:18 PM
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Claiming these things isn't the same as proving them. You haven't even tried to prove your claims. There are far fewer women MRAs than male feminists. This is a fact. Facts do not care about your feelings or your agenda.
/r/MensRights26/07/19 08:16 PM
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Paul fucking Elam isn't an MRA lol Hahaha that's funny Anyway, you've already proven you're too biased to have a proper conversation about this. To you, only Feminism is tarnishable by extremists. It's impossible for MRA to be seen the same way by you because that's what your ideology dictates. Extremists are all the same.
/r/MensRights26/07/19 08:15 PM
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So many poor assumptions. I have Never said they were cool with it I have, and wasn't met with any pushback, just don't think they're quite as pro this term as I am
/r/MensRights26/07/19 08:10 PM
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I find it amazing how many of you are ganging up on me lol. How many does it take? And no, but keep wishing :)
/r/MensRights26/07/19 08:08 PM
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No he didn't lol
/r/MensRights26/07/19 08:07 PM
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I've never seen any serious study actually argue anything even close to 50% even when you look only at one's which result in a conviction either way. Mind sharing me your source?
/r/MensRights26/07/19 08:06 PM
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You think between 66 and 94% of rape cases brought to the police are false accusations? Is this a common view in this sub cause wtf how did this echochamber get so bad?
/r/MensRights24/07/19 06:35 PM
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https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/male-supremacy Paul Elam is the founder of A Voice For Men and he's actual violent trash. I still have the good sense to know that not all MRAs are violent trash. But the movement needs a good fucking nonviolent purge of these idiots though. Just my opinion.
/r/MensRights24/07/19 06:26 PM
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I understand that I'm in the minority here. You don't seem to understand how that can be possible lol
/r/MensRights24/07/19 06:20 PM
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Oh ok so according to you there are fucked up feminists and that means I'm also fucked up. But any fucked up MRAs are fake and doesn't reflect poorly on you at all. Lol give me a break dude.
/r/MensRights24/07/19 06:19 PM
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I am 100% with you. They should take our complaints seriously. I understand that they get bombarded with toxic stuff too but it would be great if they could scale their moderating back a bit and be more transparent about their policies.
/r/MensRights24/07/19 05:23 PM
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This is what we all should be doing. Good job to those who went out and protested!
/r/MensRights24/07/19 04:36 PM
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Wow interesting research. I find mental health within the black community in general fascinating.
/r/MensRights24/07/19 04:35 PM
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Alright you're too emotional to argue with, have a nice day.
/r/MensRights24/07/19 04:29 PM
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Im very pro men's lib but their moderating policy is insane. Let the people talk.
/r/MensRights24/07/19 04:28 PM
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I don't think actual victims of rape should have to give up 7 years of data to the government. Wow I'm literally the antichrist. Also thanks for proving that MRAs namecall and use ad hominems just as much as feminists do. What a shame.
/r/MensRights24/07/19 04:24 PM
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Didn't realize that saying rape victims exist is throwing people under the bus. Echochamber logic.
/r/MensRights24/07/19 04:21 PM
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How am I conning you? You don't have to agree with anything I said. I'm just stating my opinions. Feel free to ignore me.
/r/MensRights24/07/19 04:16 PM
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I don't have to listen to you though. I'm specifically concerned about what will happen to real victims of crimes who want justice but instead will get their privacy invaded indiscriminately.
/r/MensRights24/07/19 04:14 PM
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Glad to hear it pal, have a good one
/r/MensRights24/07/19 04:13 PM
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I'm guilty of being more female focused because it's what I've experienced the most of. Anti female sexism and discrimination. But I still think men's rights have a lot of good points, I just think that largely you all need to reduce the amount of feminism and complaining about women and organize around the rights you want to fight for. I would go to a men's rights protest for something I believe in. But men need to actually get out there and do something and quit complaining that feminists aren…
/r/MensRights24/07/19 04:12 PM
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Sorry that happened to you, sounds like it really sucks
/r/MensRights24/07/19 04:09 PM
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You're a feminist, which means rejecting that term entirely. Nah. Again, I think toxic femininity is a good word. I use it myself to describe my mother to my husband. It works.
/r/MensRights24/07/19 04:08 PM
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I don't think this a good argument personally. There are a massive load of shitbag MRAs who say all kinds of vile and violent things. You are not one of them so why would I make it seem like you are? Affiliation doesn't mean anything to me.
/r/MensRights24/07/19 04:05 PM
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Nah I don't know who the victim is and isn't bro I'm not God, I'm just saying victims exist, many of them. And they're gonna have to pay a massive price and give up 7 years of data for little to no gain.
/r/MensRights24/07/19 04:03 PM
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Yeah I've seen that there. It was only funny for like a week. After a while it starts to feel oppressive. Don't expect you'll understand but that's just what happens when you keep pointing out their gender all the time and saying they don't even exist :/
/r/MensRights24/07/19 11:19 AM
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Only when those standards don't need to be so high. Wherever reasonable, I think it's good to give people who have a lot if talent/skill/intelligence a chance at being hired even if it means lowering the standards a bit. Like maybe not require 10 years experience if 5 will do. If it's unreasonably lowered for the job to get done then that's bad, but I don't think it's currently a widespread problem IMO. I don't expect this will sway everyone but that's just how I see it. White guys still have th…
/r/MensRights24/07/19 09:43 AM
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I and most studies on this disagree, they exist because people are still discriminating against POC and women who are equally qualified
/r/MensRights23/07/19 05:56 PM
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Whew spiceboi
/r/MensRights23/07/19 05:54 PM
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Got any better ideas? Don't tell me you think quotas exist because SJWs hate white men or some trash opinion lmao mayocide
/r/MensRights23/07/19 05:53 PM
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zOmG! Like no way
/r/MensRights23/07/19 05:52 PM
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Heh
/r/MensRights23/07/19 05:51 PM
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Nah
/r/MensRights23/07/19 05:51 PM
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Cool, noted.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 05:51 PM
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Sure why not
/r/MensRights23/07/19 05:51 PM
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Ok
/r/MensRights23/07/19 05:50 PM
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I don't know what you've been through man but you sound hurt and i'm genuinely sorry for the way people treated you
/r/MensRights23/07/19 04:24 PM
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Im not siding with anyone. Theres no story here. But believe it or not people DO get raped. Men get raped. Women get raped. Men rape. Women rape. Rape fucking happens unfortunately. Now I agree, locking up a perfectly innocent person is fucking horrible. This should never happen. But I also think that most people who make an accusation to the police of rape are not falsely accusing. Thats based on research and police statistics. I would actually rather no one gets convicted with rape and a real …
/r/MensRights23/07/19 04:22 PM
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Alright, duly noted. BYE!
/r/MensRights23/07/19 04:05 PM
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I don't even know if all the people who advocated for men's mental health were progressive. Hm im having a hard time communicating this, sorry. I don't just mean like hardcore advocacy. I mean something as basic as your uncle telling your dad "don't go so hard on him, hes just upset because ____, give him some time" instead of encouraging the whole "man up" thing all the time. Just everyday people saying things that are "progressive" with respect to the past norms. Me neither, but in recent deca…
/r/MensRights23/07/19 04:02 PM
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Umm privacy laws isnt the same as legally supporting the withholding of evidence. You know theres a fuck load of already existing laws that the police must respect while doing an investigation right? Even if it means you get to withhold evidence, or that the investigation would go way easier or faster, the police cannot violate your legally protected privacy. Do you think that the police should be able to search through 7 years of data in your phone if you report your laptop stolen? Cause I fuck…
/r/MensRights23/07/19 03:54 PM
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Out of respect for civility i will not call you any pet names. But wow. You think 98% of allegations are false. You're either using a needlessly confusing definition of false (false does not equal unproven) or you're just whacked out of your mind on antifeminist propaganda. Either way it does't look too good for you if we were in a real debate outside of this echochamber.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 03:49 PM
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man cant a person just get some spicy conversation in this sub without being called a troll all the time? obviously i cant prove anything to you, you believe whatever you wish
/r/MensRights23/07/19 03:39 PM
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Honestly i don't know what to say. On one hand, yeah i know why you would say that. But on the other hand I don't think its incorrect to say that generally speaking its not their fault that they behaved like this. Women are to blame for it too, dont get me wrong. its not about blaming people or calling people bullies. its just about acknowledging that these things did happen and it was because of a traditional idea about gender roles and gender essentialism. I'm not saying this stuff to hurt men…
/r/MensRights23/07/19 03:35 PM
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I can, but i rather not to you. I have done to other threads in this sub, you can look in my comment history. But you dont have anything to offer, not even a shred of kindness mate
/r/MensRights23/07/19 03:27 PM
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That's because they weren't aware of it Yeah, I know. I completely agree. Let's not pretend that all progressives are the same No, and not all traditionalists are the same. The point is that generally speaking, if you advocate for social change from the status quo or the "traditional norms" then you are being progressive. People who pushed for improved ideas on masculinity and what counts as healthy masculinity were acting progressive when they diverged from the traditional opinions on masculini…
/r/MensRights23/07/19 03:25 PM
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Nice.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 03:17 PM
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Lol there you go. I didnt even say I wanted to argue with you i just shared my thoughts. Take them, leave them, idc
/r/MensRights23/07/19 03:14 PM
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I love due process. I also love privacy laws. Whats so bad about not wanting every single victim of rape to have to share all of 7 years of phone data with the government? I think its morally wrong. Sue me. Doesnt mean im ok with false accusations. The black and white thinking is why i said "Jesus Christ".
/r/MensRights23/07/19 03:13 PM
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You're saying you don't think that guys have been traditionally bullied for not meeting society's masculinity standards. Gotcha.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 03:11 PM
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How much of it is due to gender Its difficult to estimate, but the general trend towards things changing over the last century has shown that most of it isn't biological, its social. Theres also considerable peer reviewed evidence for discrimination, glass ceiling, differences in evaluation based on gender roles, etc etc. You mean stay at home mums? No, also women who work full time and work just as much as men but still end up with less leisure time and more childcare/housework duties than men.…
/r/MensRights23/07/19 03:09 PM
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my dear when did i assume all allegations are true? the best estimates point towards anywhere between 2-5% being false.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 02:53 PM
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This subreddit is majority male. It may have enough women for you but its not enough to make a significant change if they all decided to go against the ideology. Also do you know how much shit i got from this sub for saying im a feminist lol. don't go pretending this sub is super empathetic and chill about caring about other people's issues.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 02:51 PM
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First of all, that was 3 years ago and the other newer polls that i linked and other statistics for the majority of subreddits that you can surely find around the the web will show you that the majority is vastly male. Theres no controversy here. Reddit is nearly 2/3s male in its user base. The numbers skew even more male, as the comments in your link correctly suggested, as you go deeper into who is actually upvoting, commenting and posting most often. I disagree. Demographics changes the the l…
/r/MensRights23/07/19 02:50 PM
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both sides logic fail. and yes, traditionally society has been homophobic and toxic with regards to mental health issues, especially when its a man. people dont tend to expect men to be emotionally vulnerable. it took progressives over the last several decades to change traditional masculinity roles to evolve into a more holistic and healthy one over time. theres still work to be done. fyi when i say "progressive" i mean do you think things should change or stay the same? By definition, anyone w…
/r/MensRights23/07/19 02:41 PM
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yeah i agree, and i think its improving but traditionally its always been pretty bad
/r/MensRights23/07/19 02:37 PM
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demographics of the sub is difficult to find, but um its pretty easy to guess r/MensRights is not majority female lol the demographics of reddit is easier, its usually between 67-69% male depending on the poll also i disagree, theyre always discussing mens rights and mens liberation from toxic and rigid gender roles
/r/MensRights23/07/19 02:33 PM
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You think just because a case was not successfully argued in court then that makes it automatically a false allegation? so if my brother cant legally prove in court that his teacher raped him, hes a false accuser? wow.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 02:32 PM
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Reddit puts the numbers at 54% male you provided no sources. heres one - 69% oh and heres another one - 67%
/r/MensRights23/07/19 02:29 PM
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This is the weakest argument ive seen on here yet lol. What exactly are you even arguing? That "toxic masculinity" as a term never evolved academically over time? That the only version of the word that matters is the first ever coinage? And you're declaring your work done after that? Who even gives a fuck if Bliss or Bly never changed their personal definitions? Sorry I dont even understand what you're even trying to say here lmao
/r/MensRights23/07/19 02:22 PM
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Nothing you've said changes the fact that you were brilliantly wrong about the break down of reddit.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 01:48 PM
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Are you aware of how low the conviction rate for rape is? Just seems like hysteria to me. This policy would affect more people negatively than positively. Also in addition to the data you're forced to give up being 7 years of phone data, the article also says It also warns people reporting rape and sexual assault they may be prosecuted themselves if evidence of other suspected criminal offences is found on their phone. So if you smoke weed and text your dealer on the reg, you'll never be able to…
/r/MensRights23/07/19 01:43 PM
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Your views on the history of feminism are so biased it's not even funny. Your agenda is based on painting feminism in the most negative light possible. My agenda is to find balance. Why should I listen to an extremist? You've given me no intelligent arguments. Calling me a troll is the saddest cop out
/r/MensRights23/07/19 01:40 PM
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I didn't redefine it, Bliss stopped using it in favour of more positive terms and everyone else after him kept using it and it evolved. You think I'm responsible for the evolution of the word lmao? The word is older than me. By the time I was 10 it already changed meaning as people talked about it. Understand? Also no I'm actually exposing you for how close minded you are. I'm still a men's rights advocate through and through. Everywhere that injustice is happening to men I think it should be co…
/r/MensRights23/07/19 01:38 PM
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Jesus Christ
/r/MensRights23/07/19 01:32 PM
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Oof. For one thing it's a shitty ass Tumblr post, not even a well cited blog or peer reviewed journal. Secondly most of the "citations" for the first point on the wage gap are as good a source as me giving you vox articles lmao.. The wage gap is real, but exaggerated by mainstream feminists with regards to equal work for equal pay. It's a lot smaller when you adjust for job position and hours worked, but it's still there. The problem most feminists I know have is with Why do women do most of the…
/r/MensRights23/07/19 01:29 PM
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I don't have to agree with a guy just because he made the term up decades ago. Also Gillette isn't the same as the APA and their guidelines are pretty sensible. Also Gillette was an advertisement designed to get clicks and attention, and was up to interpretation because its not a serious academic work it's just an advertisement.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 01:17 PM
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I think it's more right to protect people's privacy from unnecessary searches. Victims both male and female have a hard enough time as it is but that's just my opinion
/r/MensRights23/07/19 01:13 PM
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How dare you not spend 4 hours of your precious life responding to 50 shitty arguments I didn't even write?! Seriously, I'll waste my life on replying to that dumb blog post when you read all of "Feminism is for Everybody" by Bell Hooks
/r/MensRights23/07/19 01:10 PM
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He gave me none.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 12:58 PM
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I don't see what's wrong with this. It's not gender specific. It also would help male accusers not be slandered and shamed for completely irrelevant content on his phone. Like if you had flirted with her first, which most men do, they could accuse you of lying because you showed prior interest in some woman who went on to later rape you against your will. Why would anyone want this?
/r/MensRights23/07/19 12:58 PM
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You're a feminist, which means rejecting that term entirely. Hah! Classic confirmation bias lol. See this is where your logic fails you guys spectacularly. It's like watching you guys malfunction when something doesn't fit your worldview. "Does not fit worldview, discard evidence and deny." that's not a real answer to things that you don't understand lol. Haven't you ever had people assume you believe things just because you believe something else? How difficult is it for you guys to just um may…
/r/MensRights23/07/19 12:53 PM
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I disagree. Toxic masculinity is not the same as masculinity in general. And what they criticize is toxic masculinity.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 12:45 PM
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They have nothing to do with me. Also I don't believe your so called facts either. You gave me no sources.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 12:42 PM
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I got downvoted for suggesting that maybe we shouldn't use the word "tranny". But you're arguing that straight white cis men don't have a voice? And that's why they want to be bigoted? Sorry but that's just not right. Use your voice for good, not for bigotry. This is insane that this is allowed to exist on this sub and no one cares and if you call it out You're the one that gets downvoted. What a shame.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 12:41 PM
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Let me just stop you right at the beginning lol Reddit is 67-69% male depending on the year you look at. And the overall trend on the internet is that men spend a lot more time than women browsing, posting and commenting overall. In general at least, that is the trend. Also commenting on demographics and how they skew opinions online is uh not wrong. You'd be retarded if you'd argue that Tumblr isn't more left leaning because of the higher female population. Thats not identity politics that's ju…
/r/MensRights23/07/19 12:37 PM
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Nah I disagree. I think your hatred for feminism is like what kids do when theyre being childish and immature. That's what you're doing. But that's just my opinion though.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 12:28 PM
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In summation, the discursive field of /r/MensRights positions men as acted upon by a feminized society, whereas /r/MensLib is more focused on actions men can take to liberate themselves from the expectations of traditional mas- culine roles. This is directly reflected in perhaps the most interesting finding from this study: that /r/MensRights discourse devotes very little attention to masculinity as a concept, to the extent that the term is among the statisti- cally strongest predictors in the m…
/r/MensRights23/07/19 12:26 PM
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Not a good analogy. They are both subreddits with groups of people who type. Comparing their language shows differences in how they talk and what they talk about. You'll argue that the more heavy moderation in one changes the speech, sure, but without that moderation than you'd just have two MensRights subreddits since they're massively outnumbered. If they don't enforce the rules, they don't have a community that fits the very purpose of the sub. It's like if I go to r/AskHistorians, I'm glad t…
/r/MensRights23/07/19 12:16 PM
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Nah
/r/MensRights23/07/19 12:04 PM
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Nope it's comparing the language used by one subreddit with another. Like I said, the Donald also has heavy moderating. If I were to compare the language used between the Donald and MRAs it would be just as valid. It doesn't matter that one subreddit requires more moderating.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 12:04 PM
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You're not being very bright. My opinions don't hinge upon some random person who I don't even know. My beliefs are my beliefs. Not some other feminists. You can start naming a list of 500 feminists with ideas that I disagree with it still doesnt matter. I still am a feminist and I care about men's rights. Calling myself an MRA is a tricky subject because you guys are adamant on the "you cannot be both" thing which is stupid but whatever. My views can be described as both pro men's rights and pr…
/r/MensRights23/07/19 12:01 PM
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Lol so brainwashed it's amazing. Stop reading horseshit. You've being pretty badly radicalized by antifeminist propaganda. You have no idea how many of these same arguments I've heard for years and they all are extremely easily debunked. Also, btw sending people a blog post with 50 of someone else's useless notes isn't good rebuttal, ever. If you want to make a strong argument, pick one to three topics that you personally understand the best and make your arguments. What you did is called "gish …
/r/MensRights23/07/19 11:57 AM
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Sup
/r/MensRights23/07/19 11:48 AM
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Literally nothing you said here matters because my beliefs are unchanged. I still believe all those things I mentioned. It's almost like MRAs are wrong about feminism and don't get to decide what other people believe :o I'm not your strawman. I'm me, and I care about both men's and women rights and equality.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 11:47 AM
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If it were clearly untrue I would be seeing evidence to the contrary
/r/MensRights23/07/19 11:46 AM
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The subreddit has strict rules. A community that bans dissenters is still a community. The_Donald is heavily moderated, yet we'd still say they're a community. It's not an experimental flaw, as bad as you want it to be, it's just a feature of the subject studied.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 11:44 AM
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You have a weird definition of "attack" and "criticism". I said you don't like the fact that people lean more feminist there. Look how much push back you give me just for being both MRA and feminist? You want all the attention and empathy for yourself, this has nothing to do with "attacking women". I call out toxic femininity every day. My mom is the embodiment of toxic femininity and I hate it with a passion. No one calls it that though. I'm not against the term though I think it works.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 11:42 AM
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Reddit is majority male. Therein lies the imbalance. Advocating for women's rights attracts a lot more trolls and people who hate your cause than advocating for men's rights because the entire platform is dominated by men. Men not only are the biggest demographic but they're also much much much more active on the website. Men dominate over women's spaces easily. Not the same vice versa.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 11:37 AM
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Agree to disagree mate, I've not seen anyone being banned unless they are actual antifeminists who break the subs rules
/r/MensRights23/07/19 11:34 AM
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It's extremely inconvenient to your worldview that one can both be a feminist and think that men shouldn't be treated differently for being men. Lol its crazy how much it bothers so many of you that I'm an MRA and a feminist. Like wow. That's dedication to an ideology. this hugeeeeee pushback against including people who don't agree with you 100% is amazing. Like buddy I don't need to be against pro choice in order to care about male domestic violence victims. And I don't need to want women to b…
/r/MensRights23/07/19 11:28 AM
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I feel the same way but about you, funny how that works eh? I just think you're the one who's wrong and misinformed. I literally have not seen a single good reason in my many years of reddit to stop also being a feminist. I've seen plenty of reason to be more MRA than I used to be though. I just think my worldview is more balanced than that of people in extreme echo chambers such as this one.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 11:17 AM
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It's true they're more heavily moderated but that doesn't take aware from the findings. If you don't agree with the subs rules then you don't belong there. Effectively they still studied the differences between two different online subreddit cultures.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 11:10 AM
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Like I said. That's easy to say when your sub has three times as many subscribers. Of course you can handle trolls better, you don't get as many.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 10:59 AM
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When did I take criticism that doesn't mention women as an attack on women? Also I don't call men toxic. But sometimes behaviour is toxic and it would be PC to not call a spade a spade.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 10:56 AM
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That would uh. Come with being pro feminist and all.. That's like saying that if you're eco friendly everything you consume must be eco friendly. Is anyone surprised? It says right there in the sidebar that that's what they're ideology is about. Being pro men's rights and pro feminist at the same time. Trying to work out what the most ethical solutions are from a framework that respects gender equality. The problem with MRA culture is that it focuses too much on antifeminism, which it sometimes …
/r/MensRights23/07/19 10:53 AM
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I think it's probably all the brigading but I could be wrong. They're outnumbered massively on reddit.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 10:48 AM
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Tbh that's shit I didn't know you had to be an approved submitter. But maybe it's cause they don't have enough mods for the amount of trolls and rule breaking
/r/MensRights23/07/19 10:37 AM
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I saw loads of good helpful male centric posts. You're just upset that there's ALSO a lot of empathy for women there too. Why does that bother you?
/r/MensRights23/07/19 10:36 AM
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Like what solutions do they oppose?
/r/MensRights23/07/19 10:34 AM
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Nah. But thanks for sharing your antifeminist and conservative thoughts. I appreciated this read.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 10:32 AM
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Idk what do you want me to say? Um patriarchal is an accurate term to describe our society and feminists are pretty right about a lot of things in my opinion. Can I prove it? Yeah I can. Idk what you want me to say or do? Convince you? Not gonna happen. All I can do is say things I believe. It's a fact that most of the world's political and economic power lies in men. It's a fact that women have had to slowly push for improved equality with men over the last several hundred years. [It's a fact t…
/r/MensRights23/07/19 10:29 AM
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Yeah, you said that already. Still not giving a fuck though. Sorry to disappoint
/r/MensRights23/07/19 10:07 AM
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No. Obviously we're using different definitions of "caring". This is the one I'm using feel concern or interest; attach importance to something. "they don't care about human life"
/r/MensRights23/07/19 10:06 AM
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Better yet : stop giving a fuck that I'm here ● /r/MensRights strongly supports principles of free speech. People posting here are sharing their opinions. Opinions will not be removed, but actions may (see above rules).
/r/MensRights23/07/19 10:02 AM
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Cool. Predictable of course but you do you brother
/r/MensRights23/07/19 09:41 AM
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So explain what you meant then? You're saying that caring for women comes at a cost.. So? Same thing vice versa. Caring for animals comes at a cost. Caring for men comes at a cost. Caring for children comes at a cost. Caring for fucking plants comes at a cost. You're not saying anything. Be more specific about what you're arguing.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 09:39 AM
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Hold on you're trying to argue that no one should care about women? Only men? We should only ever care about men? Seriously wtf I don't even know what you're saying
/r/MensRights23/07/19 09:34 AM
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Not buying what?
/r/MensRights23/07/19 09:32 AM
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What fucking empirical data mate I don't even know what you're asking for. What do you wanna know?
/r/MensRights23/07/19 09:31 AM
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Lol oh I'm sorry am I supposed to be agreeing with your immoral view that people should have the right to decide whether or not another person gets to choose to have an abortion, let alone based on how much you want to be a father? That's laughable. I don't care if you want to be a father, go impregnate someone who actually wants to be a mother of your child then. What you're arguing for is authoritarian as fuck. Also the fact that you still think women and feminism is to blame for the "men can'…
/r/MensRights23/07/19 09:10 AM
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That's not how that all works buddy. Everything works together. Men would be nothing without women. Women would be nothing without men. Yin and yang. What you're describing is a extremely warped and biased worldview. Gender roles only made sense up to a certain point. But now that our society has advanced, we don't need men to be the only ones in power anymore. Women are joining STEM. The ones who are in there say the men are fucking awful to them. It's a hostile environment. Science backs this …
/r/MensRights23/07/19 08:53 AM
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Cool. Do you like the amount of time you have to serve there? Or is it annoying to have to do
/r/MensRights23/07/19 08:41 AM
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Just write in and say "I'd rather you guys talk about _____ instead because I don't care about how uncomfortable the women's clothes are". That's probably the only thing you can do. What country is this?
/r/MensRights23/07/19 08:39 AM
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Hold on are you saying there's a whole tv show that's on every day about this? Or are we just talking about one 30 minute talk show or a 5 minute news segment? Like how big are we talking
/r/MensRights23/07/19 08:37 AM
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And the clothes aren't comfortable too? Just because it's the women's clothes? I don't see what's wrong with complaining. Also idk man you seem stressed over losing literally no money. Pick your battles mate
/r/MensRights23/07/19 08:33 AM
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I'm not distressed mate I'm trying to make you chill out. Lmao you really think your average lefty is gonna say "you're a man, man up" to a guy saying he's depressd or gay?
/r/MensRights23/07/19 08:28 AM
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They wanna complain about not having enough pockets, who cares? Let them get the word out that maybe they should all start telling each other where to buy clothes with bigger pockets. Is this really a problem for you?
/r/MensRights23/07/19 08:24 AM
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Bias against feminists
/r/MensRights23/07/19 08:23 AM
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No one was saying they don't exist you just read it that way because of your own bias
/r/MensRights23/07/19 08:20 AM
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Same thing. Not enough space to put things like keys and phones. Why would complaining about that annoy you?
/r/MensRights23/07/19 08:19 AM
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Lmao obviously if you're going around saying "feminists are crazy aren't they?" more men are gonna support you than feminists. But try telling them that you're gay or that you're depressed and want to kill yourself. Different story.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 08:17 AM
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Nah I read all the comments and I disagree. You're a case of poor word choice and poor timing. Read the room next time and try to understand where they're coming from. Also what's the point of posting this shit on a different subreddit. Seems a bit silly
/r/MensRights23/07/19 08:16 AM
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The most important thing to me is that unjustified patriarchy is immoral. People should be in power based on merit only, not gender, not the old boys club, not nepotism. The same reason that I think monarchies are shit I also think the patriarchy is shit. No one single group should have the monopoly on power.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 08:14 AM
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No it's not your fault alone let's not make things up now. I said it's fucking whack that y'all literally only focus on women and femimism. They're only half of the world, let's see some more gender neutral criticism on the sub, no? Or just resume only complaining about women, I mean if it gets clicks I guess.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 07:59 AM
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You can just accept that we disagree and move on. I was bringing arguments to the table. It's just on one or two occasions that people were asking too much of one person. I'm here on my own mate I don't have any back up. I'll take the arguments one at a time, slowly, I'm here for the long run like I said.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 07:48 AM
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If I may just respectfully say I think that's a really childish way to frame things. Sometimes people have a lot to offer you in terms of advice and perspective. It's still up to you whether to take it or not but if your rule is "no advice or perspectives from women" then that's not only bigoted its also just poor judgement
/r/MensRights23/07/19 07:43 AM
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I thought this was r/MensRights not r/MGTOW?
/r/MensRights23/07/19 07:40 AM
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Unjustified hierarchies are bound to collapse when the dominant worldview is one that is opposed to unjustified hierarchies. Why is it a problem that women want more of it? Learn to share. That's the problem. You personally don't want to. You're not entitled to power for being male and people are realizing that.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 07:37 AM
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I'd say it's not unfit, it's just lacking. Its part of the story, but IMO the biggest issue with it that men have is the name feminism itself.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 07:36 AM
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Maybe hateful isn't the right word. Toxic and hostile is probably better. There's a big dash of hate in there too. But that's just my take on the overall impressions I get from this sub and that's going to be influenced by what I consider toxic, hateful and shitty. I think the focus on feminism and women is shitty, useless and hostile. I think the lack of diversity in thought is crap. You probably like those things. We're not going to agree on this. Not sure what kind of facts I can link to but …
/r/MensRights23/07/19 07:33 AM
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Lol why don't you start criticizing your fellow men who do most of the shaming of men's feelings right from when they're little kids? Why do you only focus on women? Weird af habit you guys have. Like try being less toxic to each other yknow. Be the change you want to see and stop blaming women for all your problems.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 07:27 AM
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I only used r/antifeminists because it's in the name. Also you do have an ideology mate, your own. It polices everyone in here who disagrees with the MRA worldview.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 07:23 AM
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I did I'm just saying to be fair women's pockets are absolutely tiny lol
/r/MensRights23/07/19 07:21 AM
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Sometimes they go too far with the moderating IMO but I still think it's a really useful sub to visit in addition to this one. Hopefully more cross pollination will help make this one a bit less antifeminist and more pro active about finding solutions
/r/MensRights23/07/19 07:20 AM
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I'm sorry I'm just not convinced you guys are focusing on the real problems. You're sowing division and not building bridges. This shit is a fucking sad mess. It's a shame IMO. I think men's liberation is the last jigsaw puzzle before a new revolution in human compassion. And the way most MRA websites handle this shit is just a mess of misinformation and hateful shit. It's a real shame.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 06:40 AM
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One guy told me to gtfo. Another guy said I need to leave this sub and called me a troll. I think people get too comfortable in these online spaces so I like to just come into different subs for issues I care about and just say my opinions even if they're unpopular. It's also a good indication of how much of an echochamber the sub is when dissent gets downvoted to - 50 instead of just ignored lol
/r/MensRights23/07/19 06:28 AM
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Dude the club thing is not serious. Yeah you see I don't really think this is a balanced worldview at all. It makes no sense to blame those things on feminism when they were already entrenched in society. But of course I agree with the point about how gender roles are still a thing I'm not sure why you think I disagree? I said we need to move past them.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 06:25 AM
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Never said I don't like discussions my dude. Anyway I'm here because hardly any other feminist wants to be here. I agree with yall on some things but fuck are you guys hostile to dissent like whoaa
/r/MensRights23/07/19 06:21 AM
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Or maybe "You can and should absolutely 100% express your feelings but here's why some of your political opinions are incorrect?"
/r/MensRights23/07/19 06:20 AM
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You know what I thoroughly disagree. I think the patriarchy is a good word to describe the overall power structure of our society but that the reality is far more complex than what you believe academic feminism understands it to be.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 06:17 AM
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The idea that men can't be raped because theyre all horny all the time. Am I in the club now? Lol jk Ill never be in because I also am a feminist. Edit: oh and the idea that men can't be good fathers.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 06:13 AM
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Wow. Mind telling me what I said that's misandrist? I find that really weird because I fucking adore men lol I think they're great. So funny and charming without even realizing it. So graceful yet strong. Men are some of my fave people. This is horrible news to me. Never realized I actually hate them all this time.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 06:12 AM
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If there weren't any truth to what I'm saying you wouldn't even be wasting so much of your time would you. Let me state again that I'm both an MRA and a feminist. I accept that you don't agree with all my opinions, I still have the right to say them. You don't agree? That's too bad. Oh well, there's always another opportunity to come to an agreement on something later.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 06:09 AM
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Lol ok my guy. Personally I'm more of the opinion that our whole culture needs to move on from old 1940s ideology about gender and that includes dumb old feminist idiots too
/r/MensRights23/07/19 06:04 AM
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100% agree I don't think people should be namecalled either. But I don't think people are entitled to not hearing opinions they don't like so.. I'm pro free speech and all.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 06:02 AM
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Weak excuse for promoting echochambers imo
/r/MensRights23/07/19 06:00 AM
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Rude for no reason
/r/MensRights23/07/19 05:59 AM
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Tbf that's pretty true and I agree with this. Im not trying to convince everyone though I'm just spitting opinions out cause i think it's good to be immersed with people who you disagree with sometimes. It humanizes both them and me.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 05:57 AM
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Strawman obvs
/r/MensRights23/07/19 05:53 AM
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Wow that's so extreme.. It's almost like this is an extremist opinion
/r/MensRights23/07/19 05:49 AM
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Wtf? Intellectually dishonest? How the fuck though I didn't say hey boys I'm here to answer all your feminist misconceptions did I? I just said my opinions.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 05:47 AM
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True true, well idk then, I mean I've got facts but I don't think anyone cares anyways unless it fits their worldview
/r/MensRights23/07/19 05:45 AM
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I'm being serious, maybe you have but you just thought it was a joke?
/r/MensRights23/07/19 05:41 AM
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I know that's usually how it goes but I'm playing the long game. The market place of ideas doesn't work unless all the idea-havers are intermingling. Gotta choose your battles.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 05:40 AM
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Oh. Weird. Thanks.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 05:36 AM
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You keep trying to continue this as though we're debating or something? The Earth doesn't become flat just because I refused to argue with a flat eather. Sorry but I respectfully decline to answer to 50 arguments, life is short, have a great one though, truely
/r/MensRights23/07/19 05:35 AM
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I repeat, you can search r/AskFeminists I'm not a paid fucking tutor am I my dude.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 05:32 AM
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You do realize that if I'm here it's not because I'm looking for upvotes right? Like why the fuck would that even matter lol Anyway, I'm not a troll, believe it or not I'm actually someone who cares about both men and women and think a lot of you are being childish when you complain about feminism and women and refuse to try to understand where they're coming from. And I think the same about feminists who aren't willing to be mature about men's rights.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 05:27 AM
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Thanks for sending me the link Ok my honest take on this: I agree with the original post on teenagers on most points, disagree with some but agree with the gist of it. Men's rights and liberation from gender roles is not discussed as much. This I agree with. But what are you complaining about? No one said that specific post is misogynistic. That woman you're talking about is complaining about the sub because they are kind of shitty to women. It's so ctappy being a girl there that a load of girls…
/r/MensRights23/07/19 05:21 AM
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Thanks for sending me the link Ok my honest take on this: I agree with the original post on teenagers on most points, disagree with some but agree with the gist of it. Men's rights and liberation from gender roles is not discussed as much. This I agree with. But what are you complaining about? No one said that specific post is misogynistic. That woman you're talking about is complaining about the sub because they are kind of shitty to women. It's so ctappy being a girl there that a load of girls…
/r/MensRights23/07/19 05:21 AM
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Dude pretty shitty to suggest I'm trolling just because I think differently from you. Why would you want to censor my opinions? Im here to have a conversation, why does that bother you? You can't possibly be trying to keep yourself from being challenged on your worldview, could you? Nah.. No one does that in 2019.. Surely not on social media..
/r/MensRights23/07/19 05:09 AM
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Honestly I don't have time to do this. All the info you want is online. Maybe if you started reading what most feminists talk about and think about or advocate for instead of getting your clearly biased version from MRA blogs and websites you could get a more realistic worldview. Here's a summary of my take on things: men have it worse in some ways, and women have it worse in others. MRAs and feminists could get along better if they all acted like mature adults with respect for each other and to…
/r/MensRights23/07/19 05:06 AM
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Mate how am I supposed to even argue with "yeah well YOU ONLY KNOW THE PR!" Like what do you want me to do, list all the books I've read? Lmao. Believe whatever you want bro I'm just gonna keep doing my thing. I weave in and out of echochambers like this one, I know what level of indoctrination you're at LOL and it's not worth arguing with namsayin
/r/MensRights23/07/19 04:44 AM
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You're an antifeminist. I'm pro feminist. I don't need to read another book on every thing we disagree on, I know plenty of MRAs, I've heard it all before. I continue to disagree. I think the men's rights movement would be a lot more effective if it scaled back on the antifeminist angle and more on the pro equality angle. I think this subreddit is waaaay too concerned with Feminism and sjws and not enough about real political action and education. And most importantly, there's just too many toxi…
/r/MensRights23/07/19 04:40 AM
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Dude you couldn't be more wrong but you keep believing that
/r/MensRights23/07/19 04:20 AM
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I think that's hard to prove because different feminists believe different things. No two feminists are alike. Some feminists do want true equality. Others think men should never be helped. But that's not how all of them are. Some feminists actually push for men's rights stuff. I think the bigger problem is that men arent pushing for their own rights. They should take a leaf from women's book and advocate for better rights wherever they see fit. But cherry picking feminist stuff isn't the way to…
/r/MensRights23/07/19 04:02 AM
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Hey man depression sucks. You're not the only guy who feels this way, thankfully a lot of people go through this at some point in their lives. There are some nice subs that help like r/CongratsLikeImFive for when you do something you're proud of even if you think it's tiny. r/menslib is also great for their inclusivity principles and focus on mental health as well as men's rights. Also look up some good meditation videos or join a class. Do little steps everyday to take care of yourself and don'…
/r/MensRights23/07/19 03:57 AM
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I'm not an antifeminist though and not everyone on this sub is. So IMO it's a great thing what they're doing. I care about men's rights but I also care about feminism and it makes no sense for me to have to choose one when they're not mutually exclusive. What's good for women is also often good for men and vice versa. I think there's a healthy amount of femininity and masculinity that is good for everyone but our culture praises toxic masculinity so much. Men are well rounded human beings. They'…
/r/MensRights23/07/19 03:50 AM
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Maybe they're not slaves and that's just their worldview? Like who even thinks that way lol, no one is controlling them. Anyway, I disagree I think they are serving an excellent niche in today's world. Not every man who is concerned about men's rights is ok with the toxic culture in these communities. An alternative sub with a leftist and pro feminist take on things is really good to have IMO. Anything lacking should be worked out internally, like maybe getting more active and doing useful thing…
/r/MensRights23/07/19 03:20 AM
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Heh
/r/MensRights23/07/19 02:57 AM
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I'll take that as another victory, thanks ;)
/r/MensRights23/07/19 02:55 AM
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Nah Kev, they're just nice blokes who are having mature conversations and don't think reducing our society's hatred for femininity is a bad thing for men or women
/r/MensRights23/07/19 02:55 AM
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Thinking women shouldnt have freedom and equal rights to men because of their supposed flaws as an entire gender is misogynistic. Self righteous is the man who believes half the population of adults on the planet deserve less freedom. I also feel sorry for your wife if you don't think treating women as second class citizens isn't hateful but maybe that's just your weird creative take on what words and their definitions are. By most people on this sub's definition, they would argue that if women …
/r/MensRights23/07/19 02:52 AM
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My comment wasnt about your post. But I'm curious to see the OP can u send the link? Pm me or tell me what the title is cause we can't comment links
/r/MensRights23/07/19 02:40 AM
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Yeah we all know what a trojan horse is Kevin
/r/MensRights23/07/19 02:37 AM
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Ok calling women vain is bad enough, especially since it doesn't acknowledge that men are also just as vain. Calling women as a whole selfish is just ridiculous, subjective, impossible to prove, and there are countless examples of how the opposite is more apt. Just like with vanity. Women are no more vain nor selfish than men. There may be specific areas of behaviour where we differ, but for every single argument you can bring up about how women are more vain or selfish, men show themselves to b…
/r/MensRights23/07/19 02:35 AM
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Yah I think theyre rad
/r/MensRights23/07/19 01:58 AM
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Dude the guy literally said women are selfish, vain and said this is why past men treated them like second class citizens. If thinking that's fucked up makes me an NPC then I'll wear it like a badge. I'm the biggest NPC. I have quest for you. Be less hateful and spread love instead, thanks. Reward: a lighter conscience and a happier life.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 01:55 AM
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Huh? What do you mean?? Edit: like are the men there the Nazis or the Jews? I really don't get it
/r/MensRights23/07/19 01:47 AM
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That's actually amazing. I really like that. I hope that kicks off!
/r/MensRights23/07/19 01:45 AM
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r/menslib is pretty cool though and they're pro feminist and theyre all about focusing on men's issues in society
/r/MensRights23/07/19 01:33 AM
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Sure, was just saying my own opinions. You do you. I just think it makes more sense to read their FAQ, sidebar first before getting offended. Or maybe start a petition to change the name of this sub and the movement to "meninism" lol. Be the change. :)
/r/MensRights23/07/19 01:30 AM
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Ok serious question, do you actually wanna know what they stand for? Cause I can copy and paste some relevant info from the FAQ if you want?
/r/MensRights23/07/19 01:26 AM
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Oh ok cool We are not against the concept of men's rights
/r/MensRights23/07/19 01:21 AM
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Like that's fine, I'm with you on that. I think there should be a better word. But unfortunately we have to use the words other people use so that other people know what we're taking about. Their sidebar clears it up very well This subreddit is for exposing the hate and bigotry of the so-called "men's rights movement." We comb the internet for egregious examples of hate and post them here -- whether it's cissexism, homophobia, or misogyny, it's posted here. We are not against the concept of men'…
/r/MensRights23/07/19 01:20 AM
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Can you not read
/r/MensRights23/07/19 01:16 AM
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I have to wait for a tranny Maybe don't demean people? This is why r/menslib is so valuable as a sub, men should be able to talk about their rights without having to be in a toxic culture
/r/MensRights23/07/19 01:15 AM
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This post isn't about toxic masculinity though. It's saying it's ok for boys to like masculine things. I took from it to mean "it's ok for boys to like trucks and not want anything to do with Barbie".
/r/MensRights23/07/19 01:12 AM
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A small number do. Most don't.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 01:10 AM
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Not sexist. This subreddit is for exposing the hate and bigotry of the so-called "men's rights movement." We comb the internet for egregious examples of hate and post them here -- whether it's cissexism, homophobia, or misogyny, it's posted here. We are not against the concept of men's rights, we are against the "men's rights movement" -- if it can even be called that.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 01:08 AM
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Why can't they just criticize the culture though? Like there's no point in blind loyalty to a sub just because you like it
/r/MensRights23/07/19 01:08 AM
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There is a men's version and it's r/antifeminists Also on r/againstmensrights their sidebar says they're not actually against men's rights. They're against the MRA movement. It's like how MRAs often say they're not against women's rights they just hate modern feminism. Unfortunately the word "masculinism" or "meninism" isn't a very commonly used word for men's rights, so men's rights is the only word for it. Hence r/againstmensrights
/r/MensRights23/07/19 01:06 AM
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But that's perfectly plausible. People use alts all the time. I'm literally on one now. I have like 7 alts. Some are for gaming, others for gender shit, one is just misc. People have good reasons for not wanting their alts to be identified or connected. Unfortunately as checking user history has become more common or normalized over the years, using alts makes even more sense. I don't have to use throwaways when I can just have alts that deal with different controversial, sometimes incompatible …
/r/MensRights23/07/19 01:03 AM
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Can I just point out the sidebar? Cool Also r/menslib
/r/MensRights23/07/19 12:59 AM
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Yes that's so true. The reason why girls don't compliment guys more is because otherwise it'll be like that hot dog gif Also often people compliment each other on clothes and stuff but men's fashion is typically very boring and understated compared to women's
/r/MensRights23/07/19 12:56 AM
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Lol #menneedkindness #masculinitysocute #compliments4lumberjacks
/r/MensRights23/07/19 12:54 AM
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Actually no.. That's what we want you guys to be like. Open about your feelings and wholesome. Being vulnerable is human.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 12:53 AM
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🍼
/r/MensRights23/07/19 12:50 AM
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Good night kiddo
/r/MensRights23/07/19 12:48 AM
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Oh man enough with the baby talk what the fuck lmao So you really don't wanna show me what you're offended by, eh? You're just gonna go with "everything". And then you say I'm triggered? Heh wow now I've definitely seen everything
/r/MensRights23/07/19 12:46 AM
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Wow you gave up? that's like seriously mega lame dude. Shows you're not actually about searching for truth are you? Heh lol jk No for real show me what triggered you, I won't bite, I promise I'll be nice and not laugh or anything
/r/MensRights23/07/19 12:37 AM
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Cringe. Anyway lmao you said you'd find examples of shit that triggers you on r/againstmensrights. Where are they? I looked at those two sticked posts and I don't see what's wrong with them. Also did you read the sidebar yet? I sent you the bit about how they're actually not against men's rights, just the toxic culture within men's rights communities. BTW r/MensLib is pretty cool you all should check them out
/r/MensRights23/07/19 12:27 AM
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Context. It made no sense to say that in context. Like the other user said, you're not wrong but the context suggests that you don't agree that antifeminists have been exaggerating and slandering feminists as a whole and calling even people who wanted the right to vote "ugly manhating spinsters". You came in and said "The fact that there are radical feminist that are just plain out obnoxious is true though". You're making an "all lives matter" type argument. True, but stupid and not appropriate …
/r/MensRights23/07/19 12:24 AM
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You said The fact that there are radical feminist that are just plain out obnoxious is true though. And in context it's antifeminist. Context is key.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 12:15 AM
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As in the women are the Nazis or..?
/r/MensRights23/07/19 12:13 AM
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I think the fact that you think r/againstmensrights is triggering to you says all I need to know about the Kool aid you're drinking. Lol
/r/MensRights23/07/19 12:10 AM
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I mean tbf bigger pockets would be nice. If you find the requirement for military unfair why don't you do something about it? They're at least trying to change their situation. They're not suggesting men get smaller pockets lol
/r/MensRights23/07/19 12:09 AM
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Maybe you should update this to say yes I did send you links and if there's anything wrong with them I welcome you to post what comments are supposedly hateful of men
/r/MensRights23/07/19 12:07 AM
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Good analogy. And tbf if we're comparing, mgtows are way fucking worse. They actually get extremely violent. And it's not just a smattering of posts where it's misogynistic. It's nearly all of them lol
/r/MensRights23/07/19 12:04 AM
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We'll have to agree to disagree then because I see it happening way more often than I see men on the internet, especially in this sub, call out misogyny.
/r/MensRights22/07/19 08:33 PM
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Congrats you're one of the minority apparently lol
/r/MensRights22/07/19 08:29 PM
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You're right. Your examples from r/GenderCritical are awful. Those people should be ashamed of themselves. If it means anything, it's not mainstream and those people also really hate trans people so the typical "SJW" tends to shun TERFs (trans exclusive radical feminist). TERFs are banned from r /Feminism and r /AskFeminists.
/r/MensRights22/07/19 08:28 PM
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They are vocal but they are a tiny minority. What concerns me more is amplification. People amplify their voices and that's why they seem so loud. But also this sub has a hard time telling the difference between criticising men and criticising society and gender roles so that doesn't help either.
/r/MensRights22/07/19 08:22 PM
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Yeah I was agreeing that they're a hate sub (they hate trans women, as in male to female, a lot more than female to male). I just wanted to add that the link the comment OP provided to GenderCritical wasn't hateful towards men. They're a hate sub but they don't seem to hate cis men, they actually really hate trans women.
/r/MensRights22/07/19 08:18 PM
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I have no doubt that they exist. I've seen them myself. I report them every time I see one. I just don't think they're as common as people in this sub would imply and that creates unnecessary division.
/r/MensRights22/07/19 08:14 PM
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No worries, I appreciate your apology. Hope you have a nice day
/r/MensRights22/07/19 08:12 PM
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Ah yes of course, it was only implied IMO
/r/MensRights22/07/19 08:09 PM
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He said "you can't disagree with women" Which first of all, is sexist because you're automatically assuming the reactions of people based on their gender. Second of all, I believe saying "you can't disagree with women" implies that the OP can't disagree with a woman because he's a man, but youre probably going to argue its ambiguous and we'll just have to agree to disagree. Except its pretty fucking shitty to name call people for disagreeing, regardless of how wrong you think they are.
/r/MensRights22/07/19 08:05 PM
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It is important to realise the behaviour of women isnt new. They have always behaved selfishly with vanity and sex at the core. This is exactly why civilizations of old kept them behibd closed doors. Sir, this is actual misogyny. I thought this sub was against misogyny?
/r/MensRights22/07/19 08:01 PM
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Most of those are automatically removed comments. You can tell by how quickly they were removed. They do it based on user history.
/r/MensRights22/07/19 07:58 PM
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easily triggered by text He says in a post literally doing the same thing to feminists Anyway I already said I don't think calling him a sexist is correct. It's not incorrect to say he's an antifeminist though. Sorry if that triggers you so much.
/r/MensRights22/07/19 07:57 PM
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Got any examples? I've got one. Look up the user /u/ theskysmiles They post pure hatred of men. All their comments were removed and they have been banned (I reported this user)
/r/MensRights22/07/19 07:54 PM
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Hehe methinks you have no examples because you haven't sent me a single link hehe
/r/MensRights22/07/19 07:51 PM
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Also the link they sent me was of people complaining that the word "daddy issues" is always attributed to women but no one feels sympathy for the woman having had such a horrible father to have even acquired daddy issues. It has nothing to do with saying all men are bad fathers. Edit : nvm they also linked me specific examples and I have to agree they are fucking hateful
/r/MensRights22/07/19 07:49 PM
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Narrator : oh and it'll never be a thing
/r/MensRights22/07/19 07:47 PM
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the name calling and accusations start to flow like water. Some guy in this thread called me a dimwit just for disagreeing with the comment OP. I'd say both sides are guilty of this. Just my thoughts. Edit : want to be fair here, said user did apologize and was very polite. Well done MRAs :)
/r/MensRights22/07/19 07:46 PM
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Insulting people just for disagreeing with you I think is the point of this post isn't it? Why would you do that if you think it's a bad thing to do?
/r/MensRights22/07/19 07:45 PM
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you are not allowed to disagree with women
/r/MensRights22/07/19 07:43 PM
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Calling you sexist is unnecessary and that user is known for getting into inflammatory internet wars very fast (way too fast IMO) Also you left out the best part of that sentence, which is actually pretty bang on correct The way you phrased your reply would suggest you're trying to shift the focus on back on to the extremists. Because that's what he did lolsies
/r/MensRights22/07/19 04:49 PM
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Narrator : opinion rape is not a thing, please calm your horses
/r/MensRights22/07/19 04:47 PM
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Like I said earlier, I don't think calling you sexist is the best way to have a conversation. But don't you think you're also to blame for sounding like an antifeminist when you're the one implying that being a 3rd waver is the same as being an obnoxious radical man hater?
/r/MensRights22/07/19 04:46 PM
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Lmao apologist? Now you're accusing me of hating men too? Oy fucking vey I have been on againstmensrights and all I've seen are people who attack misogynistic and antifeminist men's rights activists arguments. I've never seen people say all men are evil, rapists and bad fathers. Link me? (PM)
/r/MensRights22/07/19 04:41 PM
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I hate TERFs and don't doubt that that sub is more.. Fucking weird and hateful.. but can you PM me a link?
/r/MensRights22/07/19 04:38 PM
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I don't understand how you came to that conclusion. How is saying that people are treating 3rd wave like the 1st and 2nd waves (while providing examples) the same as "denying" that there is a fraction of the population that hate men? Unless you literally think 3rd wavers are all man haters or even majority man haters, don't see how that's a logical conclusion.
/r/MensRights22/07/19 04:36 PM
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You were still being unnecessarily rude "There are extremists" isn't even a criticism of feminism. There are extremists in the men's rights world too. Is that a criticism of men's rights? How do you know it's because of being a man that you were called sexist and not for your so-called "criticism of feminism"? Isn't that a bit presumptuous of you? Are you a mind reader or something cause idg how you came to this conclusion
/r/MensRights22/07/19 04:32 PM
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You clearly didn't read my post properly. You're assuming that OP got called a sexist for his gender. What facts are you basing that on?
/r/MensRights22/07/19 04:28 PM
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You're reading way too much into this. I don't think OP's gender has anything to do with it. Why are you making this about his gender when there's literally no proof of that? Aren't you doing the same thing you accuse feminists of doing?
/r/MensRights22/07/19 04:03 PM
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No offence but you sound like an extremist for saying this. Go have a look at r/AskFeminists and show me posts where they think that "men are evil, rapists, bad fathers and abusers and women are saints and good mothers"
/r/MensRights22/07/19 04:02 PM
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I think the issue they had isn't that he's a man, it's that he's making it seem like extremists are a much larger group of people than they actually are. Why would you assume it's because he's a man? No one even mentioned his gender
/r/MensRights22/07/19 04:00 PM
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No one was saying anything against equality though
/r/MensRights22/07/19 03:59 PM
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Calling you sexist is unnecessary and that user is known for getting into inflammatory internet wars very fast (way too fast IMO). But where you're wrong is that the original post didn't say anything to the contrary. Imagine if the OP was like "Anti-LGBT people keep painting gay men as pedophiles and this has been happening for centuries." And you said "BUT there definitely are gay men who are obnoxious crazy pedophiles" Clearly no one is saying that gay pedophiles don't exist. What they're sayi…
/r/MensRights22/07/19 03:56 PM
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its a fucking troll, stop taking the bait
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