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| 7 | Male college student silenced by his professor for challenging the bogus "1 in 5 college women are raped" statistic and the idea of "rape culture"He'd been abrasive and hostile all semester long, apparently Some quotes from the article: According to Savery, True had made other unsettling contributions to the conference this semester, including a comment about Theocritus that “lower class people didn’t have the ability to create art” and a comment about how “we shouldn’t blame the people who were responsible for the Holocaust… because they didn’t know any better.” “As soon as we started discussing Aristotle he said how did not believe that… | /r/MensRights | 20/03/15 05:14 AM |
| 1 | TIL A Swedish Transsexual man joined the Feminist Movement, was kicked out for being a man and then cyberbullied until committing suicide.(translated swedish source)Exactly. A lot of these people are working off feminist lit from the 70s, before black and intersectional feminism knocked 2nd wave feminism's ivory tower down and insisted that the term 'woman' cannot be completely isolated from social class, race & ethnicity, dis/ability, etc. as it had previously been treated. These people still think there exists a a singular male experience, and a singular female experience, and that until gender is annihilated alongside all the social structures it 'taints… | /r/MensRights | 03/07/14 04:46 AM |
| 5 | TIL A Swedish Transsexual man joined the Feminist Movement, was kicked out for being a man and then cyberbullied until committing suicide.(translated swedish source)There are some feminist sects that don't respect trans people, and don't accept trans men as men, or trans women as women, and sometimes treat trans people as enemies of the cause. Lucas was a trans man, and apparently that didn't fly with the groups he got involved with. | /r/MensRights | 03/07/14 04:13 AM |
| 5 | TIL A Swedish Transsexual man joined the Feminist Movement, was kicked out for being a man and then cyberbullied until committing suicide.(translated swedish source)He was a trans man. It's quite possible he ran into some particularly nasty TERFs in FEMEN and the other feminist groups over there (I'm not incredibly familiar with them, being from Canada, so I can't really say much about their principles and how they operate), who see trans men as shameful betrayers to their supposed "womanhood"(they see trans men as women who attack all women everywhere by rejecting womanhood) and opponents to women everywhere. Trans women tend to take the brunt of the heat … | /r/MensRights | 03/07/14 04:07 AM |
| 1 | So wait. Where the hell are the non-white guys?Yep. Only need to look at 2nd wave feminism for a brilliant example of that | /r/MensRights | 16/04/14 07:26 PM |
| 0 | So wait. Where the hell are the non-white guys?Having a more diverse demographic is important, because you get a clearer picture of the issues men face. You don't want the men's rights movement to end up like second wave feminism where the term "woman" became synonymous with "upper/middle-class, non-disabled, white cisgendered woman", and where women of colour's voices were drowned out and not given room to speak. it's, IMO, important that the term "man" not be universalized in a way that places it outside of the context of real social inter… | /r/MensRights | 16/04/14 07:25 PM |
| -1 | The MRM Makes Me SadNo, but it's important to frame them well, not be immature, and keep the pit bulls of the movement muzzled. I do activism work on a number of fronts, and see a few of them ignored because of the teensiest, pettiest bit of name-calling or derogatory remarks. Example: Activism to help trans people is difficult because despite maybe, like, a dozen people in the world ever having used the expression "Die Cis Scum" in context, and a few dozen more out of context (not counting the people who bring it … | /r/MensRights | 16/04/14 07:18 PM |
| 1 | Female privilege is being able to talk about gender issues without being called a "Crying Diaper Man-Baby"I think it all comes down to what feminism is, and who counts as a feminist. For instance, I wholly disagree with the vague "If you believe in gender equality, then you're a feminist" stuff. That's a dumb approach, IMO. It's generaly subjective, but to me, feminism is about systems of power and oppression. It's about assessing them, weeding them out, and finding ways to resist them. Why do I think this about feminism? Because the feminist movement has progressed since the 70s when they thought t… | /r/MensRights | 12/04/14 09:27 PM |
| 1 | 'Old guys' not welcome at Queens UniversityI"m not so sure. I'm pretty sure in the USA, 2nd wave feminists (who have history of actively and/or passively using common sense racism to further the goals of white upper/middle class feminists) are still at large in academia and in practical forms of activism, but in Canada? We've got a decent amount of black feminists up here, and a large amount of POC feminists (Himani Bannerji, Joanna Kadi, etc.) ...theory from 3rd/4th waves of feminism are a lot more popular up here than in the states. I … | /r/MensRights | 12/04/14 03:58 AM |
| 6 | Toronto mayoral candidate, John Tory suggested women learn golf to advance in the business world, gets called a sexist, women create an organization to teach women sports to get ahead in business, praI'm not really taking sides on either stance to be honest, I'm just laying out how I see it from someone active in feminist circles. I do think positive change has been made in business, but I'd also be interested in studies across coming years to see if women are getting those invites to the golf course (or whatever equivalent there may be) and the opportunities associated with them. | /r/MensRights | 03/03/14 09:43 AM |
| 12 | Toronto mayoral candidate, John Tory suggested women learn golf to advance in the business world, gets called a sexist, women create an organization to teach women sports to get ahead in business, praI think it boils down to this: There is a history of people in the business world, usually in upper management, who use golf as a sort of way to figure out who they want to hire/promote, who to make connections with, etc. and it's generally a male-centred homosocial event. That social structure getting criticized for being a boy's club, or for being restrictive in who is brought in, is legitimate. generally, you'll get feminists leaning toward the radical portion of the spectrum doing this criti… | /r/MensRights | 03/03/14 07:53 AM |
| 9 | A refreshing sight to find here in Sweden!Yep. My Feminism 101 teacher a few years ago spent basically an entire class on various issues men have in society, the importance of them, and how they're being combated, including mens' involvement as parents. She focused on things like this in Sweden quite often, the paternity leave they get, etc. I honestly haven't personally met a feminist who hates men (at least, any who have voiced opinions that are misandrist) yet in my life, even if I know they exist. Makes me feel they're a much smalle… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/14 12:52 AM |
| 2 | Saw this on Facebook - This is the type of thing that really annoys me.Ugh. Yes, because traditions are so important that they MUST be followed. Naming decisions are just that...decisions. I wouldn't expect anything from a partner I'm marrying in this area, it would be something that would be discussed. I know there is social pressure for women to take a man's name, but thankfully that tradition is being questioned by a lot of people these days. It should not be standard, or expected, or a dealbreaker. So there's no point in bringing this up. Most adults leave thei… | /r/MensRights | 22/02/14 05:54 AM |
| 2 | Is "creep shaming" comparable to "slut shaming"?I don't wingwoman for him all the time, and usually I do intervene when I am playing that role, because I'm generally close by and capable of it. But I go out to have fun too, and if I want to spend a few hours dancing, I don't always have time to look over my shoulder to see how he's doing, and sometimes I hope that with more exposure, he'll start to get it. I mean, we've been friends for a few years, and he's not autistic, he doesn't have aspergers, I have hope he'll start to understand better… | /r/MensRights | 14/02/14 05:28 AM |
| 9 | Is "creep shaming" comparable to "slut shaming"?I'd hesitate to say "creep" is a more insidious term. A friend of mine was cornered at a party and sexually assaulted by some guy who thought she was a "slut" and was obviously "hanging off" of other guys, so why not him? Thankfully, a friend of mine noticed she was missing and found her, but it wasn't a good situation. Both terms can be used by twisted people in an attempt to justify their behaviour and actions. As for a "comparable behaviour among men"...I won't speak to how common it is, but … | /r/MensRights | 14/02/14 01:04 AM |
| 3 | Is "creep shaming" comparable to "slut shaming"?I agree. There's a big difference between introducing yourself at a social event and introducing yourself on public transit or in a dark alleyway. There are social codes for different environments, you're right, and I really wish that everyone was able to process that fact. Like, I was taking the bus the other day, and it was packed. Rush hour and a bunch of university students trying to get home. And there was this guy who was hitting on a girl that was sitting on these seats with their backs a… | /r/MensRights | 14/02/14 12:54 AM |
| 2 | Is "creep shaming" comparable to "slut shaming"?No, you're absolutely right. My friends like hosting parties fairly often...and there can be some larger ones with people I don't know. If someone comes up to me and continually refuses to respect my boundaries, I'm going to keep my eyes on them for the rest of the party to make sure they don't do anything bad. I'll tell other people who are at least reasonably sober as well to keep their eyes on them. They might be an alright person and all, but I'm concerned for my and my friends' safety, and … | /r/MensRights | 14/02/14 12:41 AM |
| 15 | Is "creep shaming" comparable to "slut shaming"?I would say it CAN be creepy if you're bad at communicating, actually. I mean, if someone's basically saying "hey, go away, I'm not interested", and another person isn't skilled enough at communication to understand that, or to respect that for what it is, rather than some game, then yeah...that's creepy. It's legitimately okay to be creeped out if you're giving every signal but physical force to tell someone no, and they're not backing off for some reason or another. I think there is a serious … | /r/MensRights | 14/02/14 12:21 AM |
| 10 | This comic makes me sick.Yeah, that just made me cringe. It just reads as if it's some half-educated ally trying too hard (and failing miserably when it comes to trans men and clarifying their position in this comic). I mean, there are legitimate times when cis men (not just cis hetero men, though admittedly, i've found most of my bad experiences have come through them) really need to be mindful of themselves in certain spaces or whatnot. Like, last year, my school's GLBTQ resource center had a week where there were wor… | /r/MensRights | 07/02/14 08:24 AM |
| 8 | This comic makes me sick.As someone who witnessed the "fall" of /r/LGBT and rise of /r/ainbow, I'm pretty sure it was less about feminism and more about a collection of massive community missteps. /r/LGBT used to be the sub where a lot of people new to the community or who were looking for information/had questions to ask) would go, and with that, there came certain issues with the subreddit's demographic. I won't go into the whole history, but there was a two month period where an influx of hetero cis people and gay me… | /r/MensRights | 07/02/14 08:09 AM |
| 45 | I wonder why feminists haven't ever called her out for being a sexist...While being woman certainly might have something to do with it, I think the 'gay' angle might play a major part too. I lived in a household for two years whose residents were pretty obsessed with award shows. I've seen far too many red carpet specials in my life for my liking. From that TV viewing experience, I've witnessed a few gay men interviewers get away with basically fondling women and talking about their bodies, usually about how their dress fits/flatters them, but I've seen some groping… | /r/MensRights | 15/12/13 05:03 AM |
| 1 | Misuse of the word "creepy" and how it destroys male developmentEh, anecdotally, I haven't seen my friends throw around the 'creep' word too often, and when it was, it was justified. There was the guy who stalked my friend by following her around campus all day and watching her, trying to overhear conversations, constantly sitting directly behind her int he classes they shared, sniffing her, etc. Total creep, and eventually campus security was called in to deal with him because he wouldn't stop. Then there was the guy who had this massive crush on another of… | /r/MensRights | 02/12/13 12:56 PM |
| -6 | CNN: Boys (especially black boys) perform better in single sex schools: near perfect graduation, 80% go on to college. Kimmel, feminists, screech misogyny.Don't know why you're being downvoted so much. Student socioeconomic status and parental educational success hugely impact student success. Combine that with this being a private school and, well, it kind of waters down the point that's trying to be made. Are there benefits of single-sex schools? Sure. But have them run in the conditions of averagely funded public schools within that geographic area and see how successful they are then. THAT would be a better way to see the impact that sex segre… | /r/MensRights | 20/10/13 02:47 PM |
| 1 | I'm probably not the first to come up with this, but aren't a lot of feminist concerns really just humanitarian concerns arbitrarily applied to females only?I'm saying that the idea of a singular categorical experience that all women have isn't worth campaigning over like second wavers once supported. That women, as a category, is certainly still worth inspecting, gender is still worth inspecting, but it doesn't exist in a vacuum. Most activists won't have the power to create social change (like norms, expectations, etc.), which is generally resistant to change anyway without the aid of structures like pop culture, and even then it's certainly diffi… | /r/MensRights | 09/10/13 11:04 PM |
| -2 | I'm probably not the first to come up with this, but aren't a lot of feminist concerns really just humanitarian concerns arbitrarily applied to females only?Historically, the feminist movement began with suffrage and education, and regular group discussions and reading groups eventually caused ideology to creep into areas of inequality/power disparity, basically what was causing trouble in the first place. So yes, issues of power and inequality are certainly humanitarian concerns, and some concerns hold too narrow of a focus on women, certainly, but historically that was mostly because women's voices were less politically powerful, and gender dispar… | /r/MensRights | 09/10/13 10:23 PM |
| 1 | How feminism worksI must have missed this memo at last weekend's meeting. :\ Though, if I'm going to be honest, it all seems a bit tepid to me, a bit safe. | /r/MensRights | 02/10/13 07:10 PM |
| 5 | Baffled by teen boys, experts keep trying to turn them into girls. Surprise — it’s not working.Do you have any idea how much shit trans women go through? How, in nearly every society, they're basically shit on and get precious little acceptance? Even if you gathered all trans women into a single area, you'd be hard pressed to track down one that was really excited to be trans, or was looking forward to it out of a need for acceptance. Seriously, we still live in an era where a a hell of a lot of trans people are disowned by their families, cut off by their friends, fired from their jobs, … | /r/MensRights | 27/08/13 07:28 AM |
| 2 | Dr Phil under attack for 'misogynist tweet' which merely contained the question "Is it ok to have sex with a drunk woman?"I'd actually say that since neither individual could properly consent, that it would likely be an unfortunate situation (obviously assuming that neither party was trying to prevent or actively stop sexual activity from happening at any point in time, and that both were fairly equally inebriated and content at the time). It's when there's a difference in power, such as a sober person having sex with a moderately to heavily inebriated person, for instance, that it becomes an issue, because one per… | /r/MensRights | 21/08/13 03:51 PM |
| 1 | These people are complaining about the doctors not allowing the royal baby to choose his gender. WTF?No worries, I understand most people don't have much exposure or education on trans* stuff, so generally take things in stride. Point 1: One's gender is how they present themselves in life. We have cultural standards for 'men' and 'women', and while out in public we almost automatically gauge which of the two general categories (if possible to tell) that people fall into. If you were to come across me outdoors,, you'd likely figure that I'm a girl by how I present, because while I'm not the most… | /r/MensRights | 24/07/13 07:34 AM |
| 2 | These people are complaining about the doctors not allowing the royal baby to choose his gender. WTF?This. | /r/MensRights | 23/07/13 07:32 PM |
| 2 | These people are complaining about the doctors not allowing the royal baby to choose his gender. WTF?I think a lot of people are using this child and the publicity around it to send a message. Something that I'm not all that comfortable with, seeing as it's a personal issue, but seeing how the media's already made it a circus, I don't feel it's causing all that much extra trouble. It's just a lot of awareness raising. | /r/MensRights | 23/07/13 07:29 PM |
| 7 | These people are complaining about the doctors not allowing the royal baby to choose his gender. WTF?It's not about that. Some people are super aggressive about it, but the trans and intersex communities generally just want people to keep an open mind and not see genitals as someone's destiny. Trans folk in general get hurt by being assigned a sex that we can't legally change easily at all, and have to pay a lot of money out of pocket to help with our condition, usually being forced through traditional puberty and trauma before we can get any decent amount of help. Intersex folk have doctors ma… | /r/MensRights | 23/07/13 07:27 PM |
| 4 | These people are complaining about the doctors not allowing the royal baby to choose his gender. WTF?There's a distinct difference between gender identity and gender. I'm a trans woman. I'm not all that into makeup or frilly shit. I'd rather watch/play Hockey than go window shopping. I'd rather go biking or rowing instead of doing yoga or whatever. I don't give a shit about fashion trends and what colours are "in" for which seasons. My hobbies just aren't all that feminine, my clothes are fairly feminine but not incredibly so, but it doesn't change that when I wake up every day, I feel physical… | /r/MensRights | 23/07/13 07:07 PM |
| 2 | 18yo female arrested for relationship with minor. If the 18yo was a male, would there still be this giant push to free him? Equal rights = equal punishment under the lawIf it was a gay relationship, there would likely be considerable media attention, just like this one has gotten. Hetero relationship? probably less attention, but also less of a chance of those charges being filed, because the parents of the "victim" in this situation are filing because they think the older girl tried to turn their daughter gay. Without that, I doubt charges are filed at all. | /r/MensRights | 21/05/13 11:21 PM |
| 4 | 18yo female arrested for relationship with minor. If the 18yo was a male, would there still be this giant push to free him? Equal rights = equal punishment under the lawWell, considering the "victim"'s parents only pressed charges because they basically blame the older girl for trying to turn their daughter gay...I'd say less people would care, but it would probably still come up in the news if the parents still filed charges. Though I doubt the parents would have gone directly to the police, and would have discussed the issue with the older girl's parents had the older girl been a boy. They're just lashing out and doing as much damage to this kid as soon as sh… | /r/MensRights | 21/05/13 11:19 PM |
| 3 | SRS and Tumblr are very much alike.I can understand anger, certainly, though there are some pretty...suspicious reactions at times. Mostly found on tumblr. Sometimes from SRS flunkies. Sometimes from people who were triggered and are in a level of discomfort where they can still function, but are still feeling distress. It can be tough to tell, though some can be rather suspiciously akin to SJW rants. | /r/MensRights | 27/03/13 12:40 AM |
| 1 | SRS and Tumblr are very much alike.Yes, "Speaking over" others is largely restricted to discussions on lived, subjective experiences. In broader discussions, it can still happen, but it's less of a power issue then, and often more of an ignorance issue. As someone who knows a fair bit about trans* issues, I often find myself in discussions where I am trying to disperse information in issues related to that subject, and people respond with statements of sheer ignorance such as "Hey, you've got a bunch of screws loose, you're crazy… | /r/MensRights | 27/03/13 12:33 AM |
| 2 | SRS and Tumblr are very much alike.It's working on the assumption that such behaviour is not primarily inherent, but mostly caused by (and reproduces) sociocultural influences. Feminism is a social science more skin to sociology than pretty much anything else, so for it to base its theories around broad, encompassing social structures instead of focusing on individual actions simply makes sense. Its purpose is to observe and address inequity, injustice and power imbalances across society. Individual actions are not often solely r… | /r/MensRights | 26/03/13 11:55 PM |
| 1 | SRS and Tumblr are very much alike.I'm saying that, from a feminist theory perspective, there is racial discrimination and racial prejudice on an individual level. These acts can and often are influenced by racism, because racism is systemic. Just because something is done on an individual basis doesn't mean racism isn't at play. It's just that if racism is to be a systemic structure of power that is reproduced by the actions and behaviour of people, then it would only muddy the waters by also declaring that the actions that cont… | /r/MensRights | 26/03/13 11:36 PM |
| -3 | SRS and Tumblr are very much alike.Hey, I'm just saying, if you go into a university, into an arts and social sciences program, and don't consider how words are used in those fields, then you're setting yourself up for trouble. Kind of like using the first person in an academic paper will get you seriously docked in marks. | /r/MensRights | 26/03/13 11:28 PM |
| 5 | SRS and Tumblr are very much alike.It's actually not polite for a woman to speak over a man on men's issues, either. "The voices of those impacted significantly should always take priority" - This was constantly drilled into my class in first year feminism 101, when intersectionality was brought up. It only took one discussion group run by a TA to lay the ground rules firmly so that everyone understood that it wasn't a majority rules democracy. When issues involving men were brought up (it was a 101 class, so there content was in… | /r/MensRights | 26/03/13 11:24 PM |
| 3 | SRS and Tumblr are very much alike.Speaking over someone generally involves asserting or challenging a person's lived experience, or asserting an equal viewpoint regarding that lived experience, despite not having been a part of it. it doesn't target a general reality, but something lived, something valid, often something personal. I'll lay out a few examples. (Trigger warning - violence/workplace safety) For instance, say there's some communal support group that's popped up, and one of the guys is talking about how his clinical … | /r/MensRights | 26/03/13 11:02 PM |
| 1 | SRS and Tumblr are very much alike.Racist by general social understanding? yes. Racist under feminist discourse? No. Thank you for proving my point. There is a disconnect between both sides here, as you've pointed out. It's because 'racism' as it is understood by most people, is a more powerful, visceral word than discrimination or prejudice, so people will use racism instead of the other two words to describe something involving race that is offensive to them. That is very understandable. However, when working with theory, withi… | /r/MensRights | 26/03/13 09:51 PM |
| 7 | SRS and Tumblr are very much alike.Not really, no. As I said before, they have a voice in feminism. But, with how intersectionality tends to be favoured these days, it's not polite for a man to speak over a woman on women's issues, it's not polite for a white person to speak over a POC on issues specific to the POC's racial context, it's not polite for a gender normative person to speak over a gender non-normative person on matters involving consequences of being gender-non normative. Everyone's identities and characteristics int… | /r/MensRights | 26/03/13 09:45 PM |
| 7 | SRS and Tumblr are very much alike.If someone has experienced trauma, there are certain cues that can trigger a reaction relative to what they experienced in the past. A friend of mine, for instance, was raped when she was young by her step-father. When someone says "Good girl" in any sort of soothing fashion, even if she's just within earshot and it's not directed toward her, she tends to suffer a panic attack, the degree depending on her mood, the situation, etc. She would probably, were she a redditor, avoid /r/sex, for instan… | /r/MensRights | 26/03/13 08:50 PM |
| 4 | SRS and Tumblr are very much alike.The one thing that people tend to not understand when discussing things with feminists is that there is a structure of discourse already established within academic feminism, and this can lead to two people not understanding each others' arguments because there's conflict in how each person understand and defines certain words. For instance, racism. Within feminism, racism is a systemic issue that includes widespread prejudice and discrimination. Much like how bullying is a neat little box for h… | /r/MensRights | 26/03/13 08:31 PM |
| 13 | Are you a man? Like tinkering with motors? Congratulation! You're a misogynist!Same. The relationship would be over immediately. Whenever a spouse/partner/etc.'s first line of communication is smashing something to make a point, it's time to leave. | /r/MensRights | 18/03/13 10:38 PM |
| 1 | Shaming tactics 101! Men who stare!!I don't think it's too much to ask that people not exercise certain forms of sexuality in public. Two consenting adults holding hands, kissing, whatever...that's cool. That's their prerogative. If I go through a 20 minute bus ride being ogled at, spend my 8 hours at work hearing my coworker masturbating as he's staring at me, and get cat-called on my way to the bus as I'm heading home, that's going to be one hell of a frustrating day. I'm fine with male(or female) attention, sexual or not, but w… | /r/MensRights | 14/03/13 02:20 AM |
| 0 | Shaming tactics 101! Men who stare!!It's not resenting or vilifying heterosexual men for their interest in women, it's merely saying that one manner of displaying their interest can be inappropriate if taken to extremes. There's no reason to stare for a minute or more. I'm not saying male attention is a bad thing, but male attention when there's no self control can make situations awkward and uncomfortable. I understand and accept that people have their own desires, I know I do. In public spaces, though, I would prefer those desir… | /r/MensRights | 13/03/13 05:37 PM |
| 1 | Shaming tactics 101! Men who stare!!So because one is worse than the other, the lesser should be ignored or waved off as unimportant. Nah. | /r/MensRights | 13/03/13 05:16 PM |
| 1 | Shaming tactics 101! Men who stare!!I said that one's appearance tends to make a better immediate impression, but behaviour outweighs it in the end. Some attractive person stares at me for a minute and they're on my "to avoid" list just anyone else. I said nothing even remotely close to "ugly people creep me out and seem more rapey". Please develop reading comprehension. I ignore people glancing at me if I don't find them attractive. Depending on my mood, and the situation, if someone attractive keeps glancing at me, I might make … | /r/MensRights | 13/03/13 05:15 PM |
| 1 | Shaming tactics 101! Men who stare!!Haha, maybe I'm biased, but there's an 80-something year old man I used to deliver papers to as a kid, who daily makes a run around town, wearing a big sweatband and those really tiny basketball shorts. Kind of became a regular occurrence where I grew up to see him around, and he was pretty awesome (ex-navy iirc). But i suppose there would be a general sentiment that wearing those shorts would either make you a hipster, insane, or both :\ Which does suck. I do get the current cultural norms and … | /r/MensRights | 13/03/13 04:15 AM |
| 1 | Shaming tactics 101! Men who stare!!Ah, see, to me a long glance is a long glance. Staring, IMO, is holding one's gaze upon someone for a considerable length of time. I'm nowhere near as attractive as some of my friends, but I still get "long glances" fairly often. I normally glance back at them for a moment before bringing my gaze elsewhere. I'll admit, glances from someone that's attractive (thus, a solid first impression) can be nice, but if those glances turn into stares, that 1st impression is annihilated and they're pretty m… | /r/MensRights | 13/03/13 04:10 AM |
| 17 | Shaming tactics 101! Men who stare!!I think it's fine to look. It's when someone decides to stare for minutes on end that it gets to be a bit much. People put effort into their appearance. I think it's okay for people to appreciate that. I think one of the more annoying things about warm weather is that if a woman decides to wear less clothes in order to stay cool, many ogled, or called a slut. The slut-shaming is of course, entirely ludicrous, because wearing a sweater in 40 Celsius heat is pretty much impossible, whereas some sh… | /r/MensRights | 13/03/13 12:20 AM |
| 1 | Men in gamingI'm personally of the mind that any major characters in a game should have depth if the game is meant to have depth. If the playable character has no depth, then I suppose there's no point in adding depth to anyone else outside of some foolish attempt at creating a meaningful villain in a shallow, shallow game universe. But if the main character has depth, the major supporting cast should as well, IMO. Just makes sense to me. Generic love interests and sidekicks for generic main characters. Main… | /r/MensRights | 28/02/13 09:54 AM |
| 0 | Men in gamingAs I said later in my post. I didn't say that, for instance, productivity is a bad thing. I said it can be a bit complex, because it's so central to social expectations of male identity, and it's not ALL forms of productivity, as some are more valued than others, and some forms of productivity are seen as negative or lesser due to the context. It's less about the positivity of the values and characteristics themselves, than about how society wields them. In videogames, this becomes pretty eviden… | /r/MensRights | 28/02/13 08:09 AM |
| 5 | Men in gamingugh, true. Warhorse was horrible for that. And true enough about "entertainment value". I just think that there are ways to get that in. There was an episode where a woman's husband was a serial rapist who, after having raped the woman, stalked her (well, unknown to her), and started a relationship with her. I'm fuzzy on the details, but it made for a horrifically compelling watch. Probably one of the only Law and Order shows where I actually yelled at the screen in disbelief. It was done really… | /r/MensRights | 28/02/13 08:06 AM |
| 3 | Men in gamingIt was similar, and I'm not going to say the original did it fantastically, but in this is was...framed a bit more distantly. The difficulty with scenes like that is the longer you stretch them out, the easier it is for its impact on the audience to wash away and just become disturbing entertainment, less emotionally grueling. Horror film, good ones at least, are meant to create immersion, they're meant to draw parallels to the human condition to reflect how we'd react under similar circumstance… | /r/MensRights | 28/02/13 07:47 AM |
| 4 | Men in gamingWhile there have certainly been some "critiques"(some pretty legit, others happily removing the media from context), the ones that come to mind for me are: -The sex workers in the GTA games. Complaints that they were some of the only interactive female characters in the series, and they're obviously sexualized and often viewed as disposable(something that is certainly correct in terms of how sex workers are viewed socially). -The amount of "stranger-danger" message sending in Law and Order: SVU.… | /r/MensRights | 28/02/13 07:13 AM |
| 5 | Men in gamingMy response, as a feminist, is that those depictions of men are enriched with cultural value. I would also say the same for how female characters are depicted. That is not to say they are positive, well meaning, harmless depictions, because they aren't, but society values male productivity, power, utility, disposability, and the brawn over brain mentality. These are a collectively negative set of values, from my perspective (at least in terms of laying down the conceptual foundation for a charac… | /r/MensRights | 28/02/13 06:44 AM |
| 18 | Men in gamingThis. I'll play a game with characters that are a bit much, design-wise, but the games I get the most immersed in have at least fairly realistic character builds. Mass Effect 1's femshep character model was pretty awesome for that. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/13 06:31 AM |
| 2 | Study says boys don't do as well in school because they're told soFancy that. Honestly, one would have imagined this wouldn't be such a surprise to some people. It's been known for quite a while that if you show girls a success story about other girls/women in math right before a math test, they'll test along the average boy's math grade. Taking that example and applying it to boys and showing them that they CAN succeed in school would also work. It wouldn't be an entire solution to the problem, but it could help if it was applied. | /r/MensRights | 13/02/13 11:26 PM |
| 3 | This is in the counseling center at my high school. I'm glad to see this moving into more learning environments.Aye. It does a good job making visible the effects of gender norms. We degrade the power of those norms, both men and women (and any one in between or whatnot) are a little more free, a little healthier. Edit: Cool. Downvotes are delicious when I know I'm right. If you break away the stigmas around men and masculinity, caused by gender norms (AKA expected normative behaviour/roles for male individuals), then boys might just do better in school due to a more positive learning environment. Men mig… | /r/MensRights | 13/02/13 10:23 PM |
| 1 | How do you all feel about r/whiterights?Not just on one point, but on both. Trying to fight cultural change is futile. It happens daily, bit by bit. Culture is never static. To want it to be, and to attempt to make it so is ludicrous, and if by some terrible miracle their efforts were successful, it would be at the cost of masking the dynamic qualities of humanity. So of course, I hope they lose that battle. I am sure they will. Just as i'm sure they'll lose their white supremacy battle, though nothing is saying that some other racial… | /r/MensRights | 12/02/13 07:49 PM |
| 1 | How do you all feel about r/whiterights?Culture is constantly in flux, to say there's a cultural genocide (which what I'm assuming they're saying, rather than a full on genocide which would be preposterous to assert) would be erroneous. As years pass and the world becomes more globalized, as different ethnicities integrate and interact, culture stops being anchored to racial and ethnic characteristics. They may be white supremacists. I don't care to go over there and check, and if what you state is true, they prefer having power over … | /r/MensRights | 12/02/13 06:49 PM |
| 4 | Victim is labeled a predator because he's a boy. Boy is a 4 year old preschooler who received oral sex from a 5 year old female preschooler.This right here is classic vilification of sexuality in children, a perfectly natural thing, as well as a very clear indicator that society still operates on the old 'chase' mentality, that males hunt females. This outcome is, frankly, disgusting(the boy being vilified...hell, the girl being victimized too). People should realize that kids don't just immediately become sexual beings at puberty. Of course, this could be learned behaviour from either the boy or the girl, which would make me questi… | /r/MensRights | 04/02/13 06:52 PM |
| 5 | It must seem like a really evil world out there when you interpret every behavior as a product of "male privilege."Which clubs are "pick-up" clubs? Where I live...all of the ones playing music and with a dance floor are where people fairly often hook up. Where else can one find a fun place to let loose and just dance the night away? Certainly not cramped pubs, and most of the concert venues here are clubs anyway... | /r/MensRights | 16/01/13 01:27 AM |
| 8 | It must seem like a really evil world out there when you interpret every behavior as a product of "male privilege."To provide some perspective, I have friends who use the "boyfriend" card all the time (some are single, some aren't). I have a lot of friends who really like dancing. I'm pretty okay with it, but they love it and often go out to clubs or whatever with a goal of dancing until they cannot. We don't really talk much when we're there, or do much else bt dance, and when people approach, they're pretty quickly turned away. Not there to talk, or meet new people, just dance. So sometimes, women just use… | /r/MensRights | 15/01/13 08:26 PM |
| 5 | Can We Try To Focus on Men's Rights, not "I Hate Feminists!" jokes?drownballchamp didn't say anything about enforcement, nor did they propose or support a 50/50 split. I think the disparity between men and women in congress has more to do with social norms and ideas about what jobs which gendered people can and should hold. Politics is IMO a fairly neutral environment theoretically in that all it requires is a sharp mind (in some areas, at least) and charisma, and it would be difficult to claim there's much difference between men and women there. So it's import… | /r/MensRights | 31/12/12 07:20 AM |
| 4 | GF won't blow BF: "Respect her issues with it." BF stops reciprocating: "You're selfish." Gotta love r/relationships.As someone who frequents /relationships and /sex, I constantly see everyone pushed to overcome their "arbitrary boundaries" and to stop being "selfish", and to justify why they aren't willing to do something they aren't comfortable with. Or, sometimes when a miracle happens, both get support saying "You're not comfortable with (enter something here), or you don't want to do (enter something here) ? That's valid. Your partner should respect that." | /r/MensRights | 20/12/12 01:57 PM |
| -1 | Why Do We Demonize Men Who Are Honest About Their Sexual Needs? Society pressures men to initiate sexual relationships, yet punishes them when they express their sexual needs.This. Honestly, people need to look back into history and see that while society has changed a fair bit, a lot of the same sexual restrictions and shunned behaviours are still around that were there in the early 1900s, 1800s, etc. Feminism, in comparison, is not even on the map in terms of influence on sexual morality. | /r/MensRights | 15/12/12 11:15 PM |
| 2 | Why Do We Demonize Men Who Are Honest About Their Sexual Needs? Society pressures men to initiate sexual relationships, yet punishes them when they express their sexual needs.Asking someone out in an environment they can't quickly leave is not always a bad idea, but it always requires more discretion and more attention. And more often than not, at least from personal experience, it leaves a bad first impression. It's not sexual assault, no. But if the person asks again after the target of their interest declines them, then that's harassment, no matter how much they want that person to accept their offer/request. | /r/MensRights | 15/12/12 11:08 PM |
| 2 | TIL Senior women age 50 and older control net worth of $19 trillion and own more than three-fourths of the nation’s financial wealth. (Tried to post it over on r/feminism, but for some reason it was censored...)I can understand how one could come to such a conclusion, and I certainly can't fault you for it. I just tend to personally disregard anything that makes statements without visibly backing it up with data and the methodology of the study. It's just not transparent enough for me to consider worthy "evidence". | /r/MensRights | 10/12/12 01:24 AM |
| 1 | TIL Senior women age 50 and older control net worth of $19 trillion and own more than three-fourths of the nation’s financial wealth. (Tried to post it over on r/feminism, but for some reason it was censored...)No worries. I got blasted in a first year psych course for not paying attention to how one of the studies I sourced was ran, lacking a critical eye, and ever since I've taken a critical stance by default on any study I see. XD I just figure, with stats and numbers so easy to manipulate, it's important to remain critical. | /r/MensRights | 10/12/12 01:19 AM |
| 2 | TIL Senior women age 50 and older control net worth of $19 trillion and own more than three-fourths of the nation’s financial wealth. (Tried to post it over on r/feminism, but for some reason it was censored...)None that have been linked to or listed specifically. I've looked through some of their studies so far (Massmutual) and nothing of the sort has come up. No hard data yet. I'll keep milling away, but I'm a good deal of pages into the google search right now and i'm thinking of switching my focus to databases to see if I can grab anything there, but it's unlikely. If it's a study that's for purchase only, then I have a hard time putting any sort of weight on the statement. If you can help find the… | /r/MensRights | 09/12/12 11:45 PM |
| 1 | TIL Senior women age 50 and older control net worth of $19 trillion and own more than three-fourths of the nation’s financial wealth. (Tried to post it over on r/feminism, but for some reason it was censored...)That's a snippet from a separate study. I'm more focused on the MassMutual Financial Group study that was referenced in this thread title. I'm not saying that there's no backing, I'm just saying that it's difficult to believe, and linking to the hard data would be helpful. i've read through a few reports that MassMutual put up in 2007, and none list that data. I just want to see how they came to that conclusion, so I can have a better perspective on the topic at hand. That there is no specific s… | /r/MensRights | 09/12/12 11:38 PM |
| 3 | TIL Senior women age 50 and older control net worth of $19 trillion and own more than three-fourths of the nation’s financial wealth. (Tried to post it over on r/feminism, but for some reason it was censored...)This is difficult to believe. Perhaps the word "control" is used to signify the notion that a certain % of household financial decisions (assuming hetero households) are supposedly made by the wife? This putting 19 trillion in their hands... Although the word "own" would trouble this argument... All in all, this just seems a bit hard to believe, and there's no source listed for me to read. :\ | /r/MensRights | 09/12/12 10:39 PM |
| 1 | came across this twisted logic on facebookAh, in that case, just try and make sure you take things day to day. I've been down that road before and a lack of self-care really ended up sending me spiraling back. it's really a time where it's necessary to put yourself first. Glad to hear you're easing yourself back in. :) Hope things improve for you, going forward! | /r/MensRights | 16/11/12 11:25 PM |
| 1 | came across this twisted logic on facebookSometimes it's good to let an idea air itself out, and put some time between engaging it again. Gives it room to grow in your mind so that when you get back to it, it's fresh, and it often brings a few new ideas. | /r/MensRights | 16/11/12 10:06 PM |
| 1 | came across this twisted logic on facebookSounds good! :) | /r/MensRights | 16/11/12 09:40 PM |
| 2 | came across this twisted logic on facebookI'm just saying, for example, I've read an article that was incredibly critical of lesbians, making absolutely ludicrous essentialist arguments that worked to deconstruct the validity of the identity...and it was in a sexualities journal. printed sometime in the last ten or so years. Can't recall the journal's name, but I could probably find it if I scoured the databases again. Getting published takes work, because it's less about the material of your paper so much as whether the peer reviewers … | /r/MensRights | 16/11/12 09:33 PM |
| 1 | came across this twisted logic on facebookPatriarchy, at the time it was coined, made sense within the context of the people who wrote about it and read it. Some of the theories surrounding patriarchy are actually pretty solid, if a little shallow. This is because 1st and second wave feminism was run and written by upper.middle class white women, primarily, who wrote about their white, middle/upper class experiences as a common basis of what ALL women experience. And that's just not true, it's not taking into account the depth of experi… | /r/MensRights | 16/11/12 09:26 PM |
| 4 | came across this twisted logic on facebookI've seen some (IMO) ideologically revolting stuff be published, even recently. If it's raising a sound argument, and it's breaking into new territory, it will usually be published. Especially if you publish within sociological journals, there's a lot of diverse work that makes it through in those journals. Judith Butler got published. Kinsey got published. A lot of people publishing pretty wild new material get published, despite the social controversy. | /r/MensRights | 16/11/12 08:59 PM |
| 1 | came across this twisted logic on facebookHow would one help solve the issues men endure if not investigating them and engaging them past a surface level? How can a solution be found if not looking into what caused these issues in the first place? Theory is important. Without theory there's...well, there's only bandaid solutions. I don't think those help anyone, in the long run. | /r/MensRights | 16/11/12 08:54 PM |
| 4 | came across this twisted logic on facebookThen I highly recommend you write a paper on it, get it published in a journal. I'd love to read why you feel it's wrong, what your critiques are for it, how you came to such an argument, and what argument you have for what truly creates such inequalities in the real world. And perhaps it would sway my opinion. But until then... | /r/MensRights | 16/11/12 08:49 PM |
| 2 | came across this twisted logic on facebookYou seem to have Feminism pegged down pretty firmly...for some reason. As I said in another post, feminism has become less "women centred" by the truth that women are affected by more than their sexual status or the attachment of their gender to their sex. Their experiences are impacted by a plethora of other conditions and contexts and identities that need to be taken into consideration, engaged with, etc. And this has placed a lot of focus on social concepts like socioeconomic class, race and … | /r/MensRights | 16/11/12 05:57 PM |
| 1 | came across this twisted logic on facebookWell that's not very nice :\ And while I cannot speak for such a demographic of people you referenced, from what I have experienced, there are more acceptable terms to use than that. | /r/MensRights | 16/11/12 05:50 PM |
| 2 | came across this twisted logic on facebookYes. Sexism against both women and men is what partially led me into feminism in the first place. About a half dozen years in, and that hasn't changed at all. Fuck sexism, no matter who's impacted by it. | /r/MensRights | 16/11/12 05:49 PM |
| 4 | came across this twisted logic on facebookIndeed. language really affects how we react, how we interpret the world around us, and what's presented to us. There are a lot of key terms within feminist theory that are very politically worded, with language meant to promote debate, to incite responses, and while I think that's a very good thing within academia, outside of that context it can get troublesome. Because language SHOULD be fluid in its meaning, because no language is inherently stable, no identity is inherently stable, no concep… | /r/MensRights | 16/11/12 05:42 PM |
| -4 | came across this twisted logic on facebookI would replace 'patriarchy' with 'hegemonic masculinity', personally. And that some strands of feminism believe men can be "more", although "more" is a problematic word here, propping up those old standards as a validated hierarchical norm. (Which strand really depends on whether you're referencing more essentialist/modernist feminist groups, or more post-modernist feminist groups, both of which have very different theories on feminism) | /r/MensRights | 16/11/12 05:32 PM |
| 2 | SFU students up in arms over men’s centre. In BC, women's orgs get 80+ million per year, men's orgs only get 500 thousand per year.I can certainly understand that. I just feel that, looking at past efforts of feminism, it would really suck for one subsect of men to get help while the rest languish. That's something the third wave of feminism has tried to fix (and still really struggles to do). I'm not saying the men's rights movement should make it a great priority to support gay men, for instance, but instead, find what common issues there are, and explore it from a foundational level. Gay men have a stigma of being promis… | /r/MensRights | 14/11/12 05:09 AM |
| 2 | SFU students up in arms over men’s centre. In BC, women's orgs get 80+ million per year, men's orgs only get 500 thousand per year.I'll take your word on the local politics around SFU, as i'm over here on the east coast myself. I made mention of inclusivity because it is (A) a fairly major aspect of modern feminism, and (B) because I have experienced being silenced by more generalized protocols/services in a number of the groups I've interacted with and been a part of. Having known dozens of others who have avoided these groups due to this lack of inclusivity makes me feel that there is always reason to believe that, unless… | /r/MensRights | 14/11/12 03:10 AM |
| 1 | SFU students up in arms over men’s centre. In BC, women's orgs get 80+ million per year, men's orgs only get 500 thousand per year.That's totally fine. Feminism isn't separate from reality, if feminism isn't being challenged (especially from within feminism, but certainly it helps from outside) and critically assessed on a daily basis, then it's going to become outdated and disconnected in the same way that (as an example) Freud's teachings have. Life isn't static, knowledge isn't static, language isn't static, so feminism can't be either. That said, if feminist political advocacy is causing harm to men, figure out why, on … | /r/MensRights | 14/11/12 02:44 AM |
| 1 | SFU students up in arms over men’s centre. In BC, women's orgs get 80+ million per year, men's orgs only get 500 thousand per year.I think racism, classism and ability have a lot to do with gender, and intersect with it, as opposed to just intersecting with one's sex. A black, able-bodied, lower class man has different experiences than a physically disabled asian man who's upper class. Each of those men can bring to light various social issues and disadvantages that they've experienced, can provide insight into what supports they've lacked, what social expectations and perspectives are cast upon them in the name of manhood … | /r/MensRights | 14/11/12 12:51 AM |
| 1 | SFU students up in arms over men’s centre. In BC, women's orgs get 80+ million per year, men's orgs only get 500 thousand per year.Hrm, it seems my last post didn't go through. It was pretty long too... Anyway, I'll try to sum it up. A men's centre should deal with interpersonal support within their centre, and they should work with the local community and spread awareness on social issues. This is because nearly every issue a man will go to the centre to get help with will have been caused or influenced by certain social forces. Challenging these social forces (most often expectations of men, and what men are) is a positiv… | /r/MensRights | 13/11/12 11:56 PM |
| 1 | SFU students up in arms over men’s centre. In BC, women's orgs get 80+ million per year, men's orgs only get 500 thousand per year.Why shouldn't such a centre's vision focus on challenging popular conceptions about masculinity? If you want to help men, you need to know what men are out there to help, and to do that you need to look past a lot of misconceptions. Men have long been saddled with the notion of the ideal/hegemonic male, and have been pressured to live up to that impossible standard. Tearing that down and making men aware that they need not qualify their masculinity in order to be acceptable, in order to be "real… | /r/MensRights | 13/11/12 11:41 PM |
| 1 | SFU students up in arms over men’s centre. In BC, women's orgs get 80+ million per year, men's orgs only get 500 thousand per year.IMO, challenging and confronting discrimination is a good means of support and advocacy. Should it be the sole purpose of a men's centre? No, but it should be one of the major tenets. because in the end, the centre won't be an isolated safe haven that removed all problems. it should work toward both serving men within the centre, and outside of it. This would be accomplished by providing a safe space inside a designated area, services and information for men that can help be both informative and… | /r/MensRights | 13/11/12 11:23 PM |
| 0 | SFU students up in arms over men’s centre. In BC, women's orgs get 80+ million per year, men's orgs only get 500 thousand per year.Such a request should be made in order to set a solid framework and to raise awareness from the get go. Would SFU students inherently promote exclusivity unless told otherwise? Not sure, but most clubs and groups in schools I've been in have been exclusive on a number of topic (often without being aware of it). It took until this year to actually get the "T" some exposure in the LGBTQ group on my campus...before that, most of the stuff was not trans-inclusive. The designated room wasn't accessib… | /r/MensRights | 13/11/12 09:59 PM |
| 0 | SFU students up in arms over men’s centre. In BC, women's orgs get 80+ million per year, men's orgs only get 500 thousand per year.No, I'm still of the mind that it's inaccurate. Challenging and confronting homophobia would make a men's centre more inclusive, as it would promote the acceptance of gay men as real men. It's pretty commonly understood that a man's sexuality and/or femininity is held over their head as a means to separate the good/real men from the rest. This request that a potential men's centre attempt to address the limitations and flaws to hegemonic masculinity is a request to be inclusive. It's a request t… | /r/MensRights | 13/11/12 08:22 PM |
| 8 | SFU students up in arms over men’s centre. In BC, women's orgs get 80+ million per year, men's orgs only get 500 thousand per year.Going to note that the author 'paraphrased' the "if men used the centre to admit to their gender crimes" bit. I've seen people "paraphrase" things and end up with a remarkably different statement than the one which was stated initially. I look at the actual quote, and it all seems really reasonable. If you're going to open a men's centre, be inclusive to all men. I don't see anything remotely wrong with that quote. | /r/MensRights | 13/11/12 07:02 PM |
| 2 | My marriage counselorIt baffles me that this marriage counselor has a job, or made it through certification. | /r/MensRights | 08/11/12 07:59 PM |
| 7 | My experience in TargetI would imagine the reason for her behaviour are: Deflection. She, in part, messed up, and wants to prevent others from judging her, so she places blame on you as a distraction to make her feel more secure about her parenting abilities in the eyes of the public. Men are seen as inherently uncontrollably sexually aggressive. This, for some inexplicable reason, has not changed since Havelock Ellis and Richard von Krafft-Ebing asserted this 'common belief' at the time (late 1800s). So absurd that t… | /r/MensRights | 06/11/12 10:36 PM |
| 6 | Bizarre thing happened in the men's toilets yesterday.Haha, I can understand that. Honestly, I don't expect people to be super excited or pleased about trans people using public washrooms, I just don't think it needs to be a big deal. I generally follow washroom etiquette and get in/out as fast as humanly possible, while not being a jerk (I fully agree on the flush/wiping toilet seats. It's just the right thing to do). I mean, I get that I might make people uncomfortable, but the washroom is what it is. It's necessary, I can't always commute back h… | /r/MensRights | 02/11/12 01:55 AM |
| 14 | Bizarre thing happened in the men's toilets yesterday.Aye. One thing that pisses me off are public washrooms. As a transwoman, it's a lose lose situation right now (as I'd say I pass moderately well currently). I go into the guy's washroom and I get thrown out or hassled a bunch, because i generally don't look like much of a dude at all. If I go into the women's washroom I'm risking getting clocked and getting the absolute shit beaten out of me by some pseudo-white knight who's conditioned to think I'm some creeper instead of someone just trying to… | /r/MensRights | 02/11/12 01:21 AM |
| 3 | Can someone tell me where I can sign up for some white male privilege? Because I can't find it. /rantPrivilege is an interesting thing. I think a lot of the theory behind it is still stuck in the 2nd wave rhetoric, when it really needs to be made more intersectional. For instance, in your case, you aren't experiencing privilege for being male, according that single named scholarship. I would have to look closer at all of the possible scholarships to determine if this difference is a common occurrence. It could be one of a few scholarships that differentiate by gender, and many gender-specific s… | /r/MensRights | 24/10/12 02:02 AM |
| 2 | "A woman can't rape a guy."Fuck, I feel really bad for that guy. How does something go from some lighthearted fun to...that? Seriously? I mean, I'm not sure I know (at least, among those I know well) a single person who thinks men can't get raped, or that women can't rape men. It's just logical. | /r/MensRights | 13/10/12 03:29 PM |
| 1 | Defending rape and defending the right of a Human Being to a Fair Trial are two completely different things.It's a really dicey thing to discuss, I agree. I personally default to support the person who has claimed to be raped. I see nothing wrong in offering support and trying to help them through whatever ordeal they may have gone through without question. At the same time, I also support the right to a fair trial and innocent until proven guilty. At the same time, I know that in the places I have lived, rape is very easy to get away with and the police don't tend to take rape claims seriously. If i'… | /r/MensRights | 02/10/12 12:57 AM |
| 4 | Prospect of an “artificial uterus” worries feminist – well goodWhile I can understand not immediately getting the implications, the author's referring to how in some 3rd world countries, infant girls are killed because they place much less value on them than boys. Some of these families keep their daughters in hopes that she will marry someone in a wealthier family. With that option stripped away, it could lead to greater infant mortality rates for girls. Not saying it WOULD happen, considering it would likely be expensive tech, but it wouldn't be unfair to… | /r/MensRights | 24/09/12 01:13 PM |
| 2 | You're saying that if I'm getting it on with a girl and she's not into, I'm a rapist?I agree that it would be difficult(if not impossible, in most cases) to prove, and thus, a poor law to implement. | /r/MensRights | 22/09/12 12:22 AM |
| 8 | I realized something subtle about gender perception today on the bus.I'm happy you don't let others police your thoughts. :) She was being a bit shady, I think. Honestly, society's a weird thing. A lot of people just find something to stare at and gossip about and mock and tease and everything. Tis not too nice, and it can get easy to fall into the slump where you think you deserve it. But you don't. People stare the crap out of me on public transport and public areas, but fuck them. I'm allowed to exist and I'm legitimate, and I'm not the one creepily staring at… | /r/MensRights | 21/09/12 08:22 PM |
| 2 | You're saying that if I'm getting it on with a girl and she's not into, I'm a rapist?I'll admit that when both parties are drunk, it gets dicey. Again, some of that sex just happens. Some people wait until a specific person is drunk and then get drunk in order to have sex with that person...a situation that can involve a lot of bad intent. If two people just so happen to hook up and whatever, then that's their issue. Some people are a little more planned out than that, and that's where I get concerned. It's not altogether common, but it's not exactly rare. | /r/MensRights | 21/09/12 05:11 PM |
| 6 | You're saying that if I'm getting it on with a girl and she's not into, I'm a rapist?I think that it's kind of sexist to assume women are always the passive participant (not saying you're sexist, just building on that argument). However, much like people can see that driving drunk is a bad idea, I don't see how having sex drunk is a good idea either. Much in the same way that I'll call the cops and tell them of the license plate and description of a possible drunk driver at night, I'll turn away advances on me by drunk people. I mean, honestly, it's a complex issue that analogie… | /r/MensRights | 21/09/12 04:26 PM |
| 1 | College Classes: Gender Studies = Women's Studies.Hrm. See, the topic of slut-shaming has slightly different variables depending on the context (male, female, queer, etc.), but the discussion over the origin of slut-shaming, the sociological causes of it, what certain past scholars have said about it...that's got nothing to do with oppression olympics. The problem with 101 courses is they have to be general, and you can't get too indepth into things or else you end up way behind in the course content. The last thing any prof generally wants is … | /r/MensRights | 11/09/12 10:53 PM |
| 1 | College Classes: Gender Studies = Women's Studies.Whoa....no. "Transgender" is not a third gender. Transgender, within the social system it was created within, is an umbrella term hosting many "gender deviant" identities. In some cultures, there are third genders. Transgender is not their name, and when it is used as a third gender, it's out of misinformation and convenience, not accuracy. Just getting that out there. I'm not actually sure if you're conflating gender with sex here, considering how new you are to this kind of study, so I'll just… | /r/MensRights | 11/09/12 09:54 PM |
| 6 | College Classes: Gender Studies = Women's Studies.Gender is absolutely related to men and women, and it holds a fair bit of meaning... | /r/MensRights | 11/09/12 09:24 PM |
| 2 | College Classes: Gender Studies = Women's Studies.I would give it a little more of a chance. At my uni, my first year "Women & Gender Studies" course spent the first two or weeks bringing up some basic theory, and then after that started getting really inclusive and open for debate. I would declare myself a Men's rights activist, as I don't believe I do enough on a local scale to have earned such a moniker (too busy with trans-related stuff), but I'd bring up some points dealing with men and the TA and prof would ensure that I had an equal spot… | /r/MensRights | 11/09/12 09:18 PM |
| 3 | Because I'm sick of seeing posts about it, let me remind everyone so they aren't shocked later: /R/LGBT MODS ARE SEXIST AGAINST MEN AND BAN MRASRainbow's a pretty solid subreddit, but it can get really vitriolic at times, and I've shyed away from it in the past due to trans experiences being outright dismissed and worse. It's definitely less censored, but...like I said, it's usually a lot less respectful. A lot less. A good place for news and in threads with light discussion, but it's not a safe space in any way, shape or form. At least, as a transperson, I haven't really felt it as supportive as LGBT has been recently. That said, lgbt … | /r/MensRights | 08/09/12 04:27 AM |
| 2 | The University of Montana says sex after 'guilt tripping' is assault: why that is wrongI would be hesitant to call such a thing rape, because the coercion isn't so absolute. Sexual assault? Again, I'm not sure, I haven't really considered the topic that deeply, but if you nag and nag and guilt trip someone into having sex, you're a pretty horrible person and should feel bad. That's a horrible way of going about things, and it's a sign of incredibly poor character to do so. You know they don't really want sex, but they're obliging you. That...I don't know how someone could feel goo… | /r/MensRights | 05/09/12 07:07 PM |
| 4 | Remember guys you're expected to read the minds of women, and if you can't, you're a creep.I'll add a drop of devil's advocacy and state that most rape survivors know and have interacted previously with their rapist. That said, people often do make the jump from threatening->potential sexual abuser->rapist really quickly with vague/shoddy guidelines for what constitues what. I mean, I'd place the guy as threatening, no doubt, after what he did. I probably wouldn't say he's more than that, but it wouldn't take much for him to jump levels. She hadn't given a direct response to him, but … | /r/MensRights | 02/09/12 12:31 AM |
| 8 | Remember guys you're expected to read the minds of women, and if you can't, you're a creep.The moment you decide to take someone's contact information and use it without their implicit or explicit consent is the moment you start working your way up the creep level. It's not difficult to ask someone for their contact info, and if you don't ask, and you end up contacting them anyway, that's kinda weird, and it has very very little to do with social awkwardness, and more to do with wanting a return (someone's personal info) without making a sacrifice (personally asking them). The text->p… | /r/MensRights | 02/09/12 12:11 AM |
| 1 | Am I wrong in finding this a little offensive?I think I've said most of what I want to say to you in my other reply, but as per whether or not I can validate blaming someone who asks me out when my body language is saying no, and the location is a big "no"...well, maybe their intentions aren't bad.Maybe they don't have the ability to tell what's socially going on, but I have a right to defend myself, and if I feel threatened, that's justified. I don't have to give anyone the benefit of the doubt if they've cornered me and I percieve them as… | /r/MensRights | 24/08/12 11:32 PM |
| 1 | Am I wrong in finding this a little offensive?I know some people are socially awkward, have autism, etc. and don't pick up on cues like a lot of others do, but I would wager at least half, if not more of the people who ask myself and my friends out on buses aren't so socially ill-equipped. If more asked me out in more socially acceptable locations and situations(which I spend exponentially more time in public in than bus travel), I would simply chalk it up to a few socially awkward guys not picking up on hints, but the ratios are heavily sk… | /r/MensRights | 24/08/12 11:19 PM |
| 1 | Am I wrong in finding this a little offensive?I understand some are socially awkward or are autistic, have aspergers, etc., and that certainly some of the people hitting on myself and my friends might be of those groups, but the pattern i've noticed is that outside of clubs/bars where it's pretty alright to approach people, the vast majority of the rest of advances we get come on public transport. We spend much more time at school, at work, walking around, hanging out at parks, or at malls, or whatever. But almost no one ever approaches us … | /r/MensRights | 24/08/12 10:59 PM |
| 1 | Am I wrong in finding this a little offensive?It takes some effort to think, and to recognize patterns. That's it. Not psychic powers. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/12 10:49 PM |
| 2 | Am I wrong in finding this a little offensive?I understand that generally, the onus is on the guy (though I do actively try to ask people out if I'm interested in them, I don't see the point in being all "princess in the tower waiting for ____ to sweep me off my feet"). I also understand that therefore there are more mistakes made there. I just think that if people paid as much attention to the environment and how the person is holding themselves, what the person is doing, etc. as they do the words they want to say to that person, maybe the… | /r/MensRights | 24/08/12 02:31 PM |
| 1 | Am I wrong in finding this a little offensive?If their body language is closed off and they're involved in something, and the environment isn't suitable for approaching anyone in such a way, then don't ask them out at that time. It's less about the fact that they're strangers, and more about how such strangers are presenting themselves, what signals they're sending, what environment you're in. His example is a girl waiting for a bus and a guy goes up and bluntly asks her out. She's a stranger who he's probably never talked to before, and ch… | /r/MensRights | 24/08/12 01:57 PM |
| 0 | Am I wrong in finding this a little offensive?Exactly. It's honestly all about the context of the situation. I've got no problem with people talking to me, or 'hitting on me', when I'm up for it. It's honestly not hard to tell. If I'm not wrapped up in a book or listening to music, or on the bus/train, or working out on a rowing machine or whatever...and if I have open, friendly body language, I'm good to go. It's just, a lot of people tend to ignore body language and the context of the environment. 99% of the time, it's never a good idea t… | /r/MensRights | 24/08/12 12:32 PM |
| 3 | Why should male gamers change their behavior?Aye. Trash talk happens in videogames. Especially the fighting game community. That said, I think the trash talk should generally end soon after the gaming ends. There's a time and place for it. The whole fiasco about the SFxT incident seemed to be based around a certain mega-troll(who is constantly fed by stream monsters) names Aris(I can't recall how to spell his name) continually harassing that girl competitor long, long after she had played. The whole rape-and-other-sexist-slur comments made… | /r/MensRights | 17/08/12 07:48 PM |
| 1 | Man beats rape rap after victim found to be a manNo reason for attempted rape to be dropped in favour of assault. The intent was there. Rape, being more power-driven than sexually driven...I don't see how this isn't attempted rape. I've read this thread and all the twisted analogies, but the fact is, this guy stopped as soon as he realized he lacked a certain aspect of executing his power. I don't see why he should be rewarded for complaining that he couldn't use his power the way he wanted. Wrong call here. Also, judge is a transphobic jerk. | /r/MensRights | 06/07/12 03:39 AM |
| 0 | Jezebel: Punch Annoying Frat BoysHrm. Punching people is not a good solution for almost anything. I loathe frat boys with 80% of my being, so I generally avoid where they lurk, drunken and disorderly. I think the only time I'd do anything remotely violent is if one were following me and harassing me and disregarded my warnings to stop, where I'd pepper spray him. I figure if I'm minding my business and someone is going out of their way to harass me and deliberately make me uncomfortable, I can defend myself from that in a reaso… | /r/MensRights | 07/04/12 04:25 PM |
| 1 | That about sums up male privilege...I very well might have missed the point, I'll concede that, but the kind of person it seems to be making fun of is a person I have never met before, and I've taken a good many feminism, sexuality studies and philosophy classes. :\ That, and there's a lot of mentions of "cis-privilege", which automatically gets me on a bit of an edge because I'm trans, and I've had a lot of arguments with friends and other students in the last 6 months about it and how "cis" isn't an insult or a silencing measure… | /r/MensRights | 31/03/12 05:22 PM |
| 1 | That about sums up male privilege...No, I'm saying that post-modernism isn't "men are raping everything all the time, always oppressing others with their words, and have hidden privileges that prevent them from arguing it". Besides, the entire comic reads as if the artists has a crazy hate-on for hell of a lot of things, and is just piling them into post-modernism's shell. It's not that he doesn't get it. He might, but he's too busy vilifying it, and others who employ post-modernism, to actually provide a clear definition of it. | /r/MensRights | 31/03/12 05:14 PM |
| -3 | That about sums up male privilege...Totally wrong definition of post-modernism. Like, not even close. And cis privilege is totally separate from male privilege. I kind of see what the webcomic artist person was trying for, but it was a monumental failure. Even in an attempt at humour, it's so far off. | /r/MensRights | 30/03/12 09:33 PM |
| -3 | I have a very independent and strong mother, but she has the most interesting view on women's rights and feminists, and male rights for that matter.I respect her opinion, truly, but I have to disagree with a bit of it. Yes, there is a difference between reality and theory. Cultural characteristics within reality, however are not and should not be considered static and natural. The equality she's speaking of is the same equality that right wing christians spout about marriage already being equal, because gay men can marry women, and lesbian women can marry men. | /r/MensRights | 21/03/12 09:46 PM |
| 1 | Woman complains about male-only gay bar excluding womenI don't know too many asexual individuals, but most of them are only in relationships with others who are asexual, or just don't value sexual activity all that much and are fine with the arrangement. One couple worked out an arrangement where her boyfriend could have sex with another woman, but she(the girlfriend) would get to help him choose, when they went out partying or whatnot. | /r/MensRights | 04/03/12 01:00 AM |
| 1 | Woman complains about male-only gay bar excluding womenBecause honestly, if someone's happy the way they are, why tell them they need to fix themselves? It doesn't necessarily have a negative effect on their lives. Besides, IIRC hormone therapy to fix it isn't always effective. It's a lot easier to stop treating them like there's something wrong with them, just because they don't want sexual relationships. However, some people just don't get that, and think it should be 'cured'. | /r/MensRights | 04/03/12 12:44 AM |
| -1 | Woman complains about male-only gay bar excluding womenIt's not usually centred in that kind of way. A certain gay radio host got in a wee bit of hot water a while back for saying asexuals shouldn't inflict themselves upon "normal people", because anyone in a relationship with an asexual is having their sexuality oppressed(paraphrasing, but the message is the same). Others say asexuality isn't a legitimate identity, and that it can and should be cured via hormone therapy, that asexuals just have a hormone imbalance which is harming their lives. Basi… | /r/MensRights | 03/03/12 07:11 AM |
| 1 | Woman complains about male-only gay bar excluding womenQ generally stands for Queer. If Questioning is in the acronym it's usually in the LGBTTQQ2SA acronym (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Transsexual, Queer, Questioning, Two-Spirited, Asexual) There's a crazy amount of subgroups that reside under Queer(and many that reside under transgender). | /r/MensRights | 03/03/12 06:49 AM |
| 5 | Woman complains about male-only gay bar excluding womenI like how she mentions transfolk and infers we don't identify male or female at all....wow. If she wants to use full LGBTQ inclusion as her argument, it would be useful for her to actually know what she's talking about. I have no problem with gay male only, or lesbian only or whatever clubs. I don't usually go out with friends to them, so I don't particularly care. It's a nightclub. There are probably at least a dozen more in melbourne that would gladly accept her. | /r/MensRights | 03/03/12 02:52 AM |
| 1 | Found this in r/WTF. Sad that is was in that subreddit.The ",too" would have added clarity, surely. It would likely improve the reaction to the message. I suppose I saw what I was looking for. I hate the "real" arguments, because it's the "no true scotsman" thing all over again. IMO, there's no such thing as a "real man", and to assert that there is just silences masses of men everywhere. But yeah, I guess the ",too" would help clarify it. I think the statement as is works, and is powerful enough. I just think it slightly minimizes it, and frames th… | /r/MensRights | 29/02/12 09:04 PM |
| 1 | Found this in r/WTF. Sad that is was in that subreddit.That wouldn't make any sense though. :\ It's a statement against the hegemonic modernist understanding of manhood, and a statement that men can be and are raped every year and have very few resources to help them out. Why the hell would an advert be made and have money spent on it to give a message that you're not a real man if you haven't been raped? | /r/MensRights | 29/02/12 03:40 PM |
| 2 | Found this in r/WTF. Sad that is was in that subreddit.True. While I understand that having the word "real" in there complicates the message,, I think it troubles the stigmas and social norms which aim to remove men (who have been raped, or who have been victims of physical or sexual assault/harassment) from their agency re: their manhood in these situations. I have no doubt that some people I personally know might think less of a man who made a claim of being raped. That is an affront to their humanity. | /r/MensRights | 29/02/12 06:39 AM |
| 3 | Found this in r/WTF. Sad that is was in that subreddit.I read it as both stating: -Men get raped too and -All men are real men. Getting raped does not take away one's manhood. | /r/MensRights | 29/02/12 12:59 AM |
| 0 | My recent observation of feminismI think both are more negatively portrayed than positively, and while I can understand the importance of that for creating drama, comedy, etc. I think there's a vast lack of media literacy in our population. Men have gotten a raw deal for about the last decade, i'd say, but women are still getting shit on by media, too. Some negative portrayal is fine, I think. I just feel that if there's too much, it can colour kids minds and their expectations for themselves. It can change how they socialize, … | /r/MensRights | 27/02/12 07:34 AM |
| 1 | My recent observation of feminismThis is also a huge issue. Men are often defined by what work they do. Women are defined by how physically consistent they are with the current ideal female sexualized body. A lot of the men portrayed as oafs/sleazebags/lazy are overweight or scrawny. "According to Jim" was a perfect example, and it made me angry often. He was overweight and ineffective at most of what he does. Thus, he's not much of a man, and his attempts at being a man are often laughable. His wife is almost always physically… | /r/MensRights | 27/02/12 07:14 AM |
| 1 | My recent observation of feminismI just get tired of inconsistencies in design. Cammy is a government agent, yet is drawn as a girl from Baywatch. C.Viper is some secret agent but has another skintight set of clothes on, with her breasts nearly spilling out. Compare that to Rolento, who is a special forces operative who looks the part. Last I checked, a woman in a riot suit is dressed like a man in a riot suit, if they're both on a riot squad. Yet, Rolento wears a uniform and looks like a special op(though obviously has his phy… | /r/MensRights | 27/02/12 07:04 AM |
| -1 | My recent observation of feminismSex & the City marketed sex positivity and mirrored the classic "Old Boy's Club" culture, where guys went and had sex with a bunch of women and talked about manly things. It wasn't, imo, empowering outside of showing women in non-traditional roles and appropriating(while mocking at times) the stereotypical man's characteristics. Of course it's supposed to be offensive. Sure, a lot of women don't see it that way, but it's simply a modern take of the throwback men's club schtick, except the cast f… | /r/MensRights | 27/02/12 06:49 AM |
| 2 | My recent observation of feminismMore like it's hard to get a publisher on board with something like that unless it has a huge cult following. Publishers look at the target market to predict sales, and provide budgets accordingly. You think you could make a fighting game that doesn't have sexualized female characters in its cast, and get it published in japan, AND succeed? Highly doubt it. Even Skullgirls(which is entirely separated from reality and is a homage to pop culture) will likely have difficulties selling a lot there, … | /r/MensRights | 27/02/12 06:43 AM |
| 1 | "If women insist on viewing every man as Schrodinger's Rapist, then men will fight back by viewing every rape claim as Schrodinger's Accusation."It lets you know whether someone is open for conversation, if they're happy, nervous, anxious, calm, etc. It gives you a glimpse into what they're feeling and thinking. Having taken public transit for quite a while, it isn't surprising for me to notice 2 or 3 situations a week, where someone is obviously uncomfortable and doesn't want to converse with the other person, but the instigator either doesn't notice or doesn't care. The person who's uncomfortable here shouldn't have to tell them to get… | /r/MensRights | 26/02/12 07:23 PM |
| 2 | I Wish I Was Allowed to CryCrying is healthy, and it's not a sign of weakness if you don't want it to be. If you can muster the willpower to not give a fuck what others think, then don't give a shit about when and where you cry. If someone gives you flak, they're just trying to control you and hold you in this little box of "impossible masculinity". It's not feminine to cry, it's a human reaction. Now, if you're suicidal, please see a therapist, go to a support group, or worst case scenario admit yourself into the hospita… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/12 06:51 PM |
| 2 | "If women insist on viewing every man as Schrodinger's Rapist, then men will fight back by viewing every rape claim as Schrodinger's Accusation."Yeah, I'm not big on fearmongering, myself. I just think not enough people grow into adulthood and are aware of the intricacies of social interactions. Particularly, and anecdotally, most guys I know are often oblivious to body language, and that can complicate social interactions because they might not be aware that they're breaching someone's personal space. I think that telling men "You're all potential rapists" is a bit of a broad stroke, and can be damaging. However, teaching people about h… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/12 06:29 PM |
| 3 | "If women insist on viewing every man as Schrodinger's Rapist, then men will fight back by viewing every rape claim as Schrodinger's Accusation."Yes, yes it does. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/12 06:22 PM |
| 9 | "If women insist on viewing every man as Schrodinger's Rapist, then men will fight back by viewing every rape claim as Schrodinger's Accusation."I think the notion of Schroedinger's rapist, at least from a female's view, is a useful tool for one thing in specific. Approaching women in public areas they cannot leave by their own will is something that can be a problem for women, especially if such approaches involve unwanted attention. These areas contain the individual and ensure they cannot leave for a set period of time, and generally people in numbers don't do anything when someone is being harassed. For instance, trains, buses even, … | /r/MensRights | 25/02/12 03:42 AM |
| 1 | Sexual Harassment training at my workplaceA wonderfully eloquent and detailed response for certain. You have most assuredly earned my deepest respect. | /r/MensRights | 22/02/12 06:31 PM |
| 3 | Sexual Harassment training at my workplaceBusinesses protect themselves from worst case scenarios. It doesn't matter what the "good apples" do. Nothing will change because business doesn't want to be left vulnerable from a lack of policy. Most of those policies are to cover them if such a case is brought to them. From the work experience I've had, all my employers had put in place pretty strict policies that were broken on an hourly basis by a lot of the workers, but most didn't care. It's when things escalated and passed an individual'… | /r/MensRights | 22/02/12 05:03 PM |
| 1 | Sexual Harassment training at my workplaceI figure that sometimes business get far too in detail about this stuff. I mean, a lot of it is to understand even without any 'training'. Don't flirt with or make innuendo towards another worker unless you're 100% sure they're going to accept it well. If they don't accept it well, apologize, and never do it again. Don't make physical contact without consent. If the consensual physical contact is sexual in nature, wait until you're apart from the workplace. Don't insist on occupying another' per… | /r/MensRights | 22/02/12 04:46 PM |
| 3 | Depressed Army reservist who wrongly called National Suicide Hotline for help, says dozens of police responded by surrounding his home and arresting him, vandalizing and searching his place without a warrant, seizing his dog and killing his tropical fish (xpost from r/politics)This is outrageous! I hope the guy gets what is due to him. Did he get his dog back? It was taken to the shelter, but they don't say he got his dog returned to him. :( The poor fishes too And people wonder why I don't trust cops. Goddamn. | /r/MensRights | 07/02/12 09:18 PM |
| 8 | Fuck this mentalityI'll agree on "fuck gender roles". Screw that noise, I'm not going to let someone tell me what I am and what I'm not...what I should do/be and what I shouldn't... | /r/MensRights | 31/01/12 09:59 PM |
| 1 | Now even eating meat is sexistThat was one of the most idiotic statements I've read. Wow. | /r/MensRights | 28/01/12 02:02 PM |
| 2 | Pretty much proof that schooling has swayed greatly in favor of the female way of learning.Aye. I've loved reading since I could...well, think, I guess. My parents read to me as a kid, and I loved stories and bought a lot of books as a kid. I legitimately looked forward to spelling tests. So I suppose I've been privileged with an upbringing that's helped me out in that regard. Whereas my best friend wasn't, and had a hard time reading and spelling. He had to take an extracurricular course to get his reading up to a standard level, and understandably doesn't take much pleasure in readi… | /r/MensRights | 28/01/12 04:17 AM |
| 1 | The new playdate playbook - CNN.com. Scroll down to the part that talks about how single dads should not be hosting sleep overs for their kids. It makes other parents "uncomfortable" that a man will be in charge.This is similar to slut-shaming. Not cool at all. | /r/MensRights | 28/01/12 04:03 AM |
| 2 | Pretty much proof that schooling has swayed greatly in favor of the female way of learning.Interesting. I'm genuinely curious about all of this. I can't really recall how I was taught to read(I'm 25, and for as long as I can remember, I've been able to read). I'm pretty sure some form of Analytic Phonics was taught in my schools (according to wiki), but I also recognize some Synthetic in there.... Personally, it all seems kind of silly to use just one. Find out who needs what and modify the lesson plan. In a class of under 30 I'm pretty sure it could be done. How people learn is defin… | /r/MensRights | 28/01/12 04:00 AM |
| 4 | Pretty much proof that schooling has swayed greatly in favor of the female way of learning.What's the female way of learning? | /r/MensRights | 28/01/12 03:47 AM |
| 1 | DAE find the "rape is about oppressing women" attitude some feminists have ridiculous?And I believe it happens outside of jail as well. I think that's as far as this conversation will likely advance, from what I'm sensing. | /r/MensRights | 23/01/12 10:17 PM |
| 1 | Why Is The Marriage Rate So Low? The high divorce rate of the current generation's parents.Most families were dual income back then. If my quesstimate is off, it's not likely by much. Sure, people TRIED to fit the ideal. Most could never afford to pull it off, but attempted to present themselves as close to it as possible. Upper middle class white families generally had a better chance than most other groups. But while the nuclear family was the "ideal" it was as silly as any other unrealistic rigid ideal. So it was discarded, for the better of society. | /r/MensRights | 23/01/12 10:15 PM |
| 2 | Is a school allowing girls to wear earrings but not boys a form of sexual discrimination?Absolutely, in my books. Earrings are not obligatory pieces of clothing which cover the body in a modest form like many uniforms aim to do. Earrings are merely an accessory, which should be treated neutrally. So, yes. Absolutely. | /r/MensRights | 23/01/12 09:57 PM |
| 1 | "My mom always taught me to practice acts of chivalry towards women, no matter the situation" - old white knightI would sit down, for sure, but...I would be confused. Especially if I was leaving the table, and people stood because I was leaving. There's welcoming, and then there's just behaviour I'm not used to or knowledgeable of. | /r/MensRights | 23/01/12 09:37 PM |
| 1 | DAE find the "rape is about oppressing women" attitude some feminists have ridiculous?As I said before, rape culture does not necessarily mean RAPE IS ACTIVELY, DIRECTLY & OVERTLY ENCOURAGED TO EVERYONE In jail, it's used as a tool to assert dominance over another through control of another's identity, body and the destruction of their agency. It's also used in war to harm the morale of communities (raped women are often discarded/divorced because they were had by the enemy, and are a sign of weakness and failure for the soldiers, male citizens, in many cultures at least) It's of… | /r/MensRights | 23/01/12 09:35 PM |
| 1 | Why Is The Marriage Rate So Low? The high divorce rate of the current generation's parents.How about we step back and realize the nuclear family represented maybe 0.05% of the population of the USA at the time it was considered the ideal...and that's probably a high estimate. It only makes sense to expand what "family" means and to allow it to take different forms as it naturally does. Perhaps the title of marriage is not necessary to obtain a socially derived moral superiority. Perhaps "marriage" isn't a good fit for everyone, and they don't need some hollow ceremony to show their de… | /r/MensRights | 23/01/12 09:21 PM |
| -2 | DAE find the "rape is about oppressing women" attitude some feminists have ridiculous?Absolutely it exists in prison. Outside of it too. | /r/MensRights | 23/01/12 12:26 PM |
| 3 | "My mom always taught me to practice acts of chivalry towards women, no matter the situation" - old white knightI honestly wouldn't know what to do if someone did that. I'd be really confused. I didn't even think that was a thing. Either way, I'm not big on chivalry. I prefer just being respectful and helpful. I wouldn't be insulted if someone was chivalric toward me, but it would strike me as a bit odd, and I personally would prefer not to be singled out again. That's me though. | /r/MensRights | 23/01/12 11:27 AM |
| -7 | DAE find the "rape is about oppressing women" attitude some feminists have ridiculous?Rape CAN definitely be about oppressing women, but because rapists often have different reasons and goals, and different targeted groups(while others don't target any group in particular) it would not make sense that rape is always about oppressing women. Your remark about rape culture is, IMO, partially on the mark. Rape and sexual assault are deemed terrible and horrific LEGALLY. However, "rape culture" does exist for sure. | /r/MensRights | 23/01/12 09:37 AM |
| 0 | Why Is The Marriage Rate So Low? The high divorce rate of the current generation's parents.Could it be that the form of the family has simply shifted from the ideal of a static nuclear family to a more freeflowing, dynamic entity which better fits reality? Perhaps there's just less pressure to get married to validate one's relationship with another. | /r/MensRights | 23/01/12 08:15 AM |
| 2 | The battle for feminism's soulLast I checked, there were men who deal with limited accessibility, and there are men who could make use of support services if they're sexually assaulted. For you to miss the point, of course I'm going to chalk it up to your perception. If feminism is solely a toxic force against men, why are some projects benefiting men? It's hard for a lot of big changes to occur at the legislature level, especially when there's a generational and power rift between many feminists. Doing local work is more pr… | /r/MensRights | 21/01/12 05:16 AM |
| 1 | We tell boys not to cry, then wonder about male suicide: In courageously speaking of his depression, ex-footballer Dean Windass has helped to highlight a crisis in men's mental healthDo you think those like me don't flood media outlets and our MPs(and elected officials) when we hear of ridiculously unbalanced bills? It's hard starting a grassroots movement when the media's not willing to be on your side, and the average people generally don't associate feminists with good deeds. Especially when such legislation is often behind closed doors for too long, leaving a short window to push opposition. And allow me to remind you that radical feminists aren't the ones you really nee… | /r/MensRights | 20/01/12 04:44 AM |
| 1 | The battle for feminism's soulEh, you're totally justified in thinking so, I suppose. I mean, if you've never seen any evidence that feminism supports equality, why should a few sentences change your mind? In the end, this is reddit. A lot of local stuff doesn't get much airtime. At my university, there's been a push for a student run sexual assault center. Not just for women, but anyone. The school "negotiated" and decided to implement an administration run center(which is kind of flawed, but I digress). There have also bee… | /r/MensRights | 20/01/12 04:37 AM |
| 2 | I hate this fucking attitude...Eh, I wish that stuff wouldn't happen, because it's basically marketplace tripe. Man buys girl drink, girl flirts with man. Some women feel entitled to drinks, some men feel entitled to more than flirting. Either way, I've never known a hookup out of a club to become any sort of long lasting relationship (which I personally value, though others may place their priorities elsewhere). I generally avoid those places, and politely turn down offers to buy me drinks or whatnot. | /r/MensRights | 20/01/12 04:21 AM |
| 1 | The battle for feminism's soulSame reason certain "ideal" forms of enter concept here are thrown out. To control others or to assert dominance of one's view. Feminists aren't the only ones doing it. How many decades have men been told what real men are? That women have been told what "good women" are? What is natural, what is unnatural? What's right and wrong? I'm pretty sure there are numerous differing understanding of what men's rights are here, and what actions should be taken, and what troubles are related to the absenc… | /r/MensRights | 19/01/12 05:15 PM |
| 3 | We tell boys not to cry, then wonder about male suicide: In courageously speaking of his depression, ex-footballer Dean Windass has helped to highlight a crisis in men's mental healthYou're going to use "The View"? I've been offended by Joy Behar more times than my hands can count, and sometimes that just across a single week of shows. If I were still taking care of my grandparents during the daytime, I'd probably have gone insane from how much my grandma watched "The View"(among Oprah, and Dr Oz, and all that junk). I won't deny that she self-identifies as a feminist. Or that she can be a terrible person a fair bit of the time. Yes, she is a mainstream public figure of sort… | /r/MensRights | 19/01/12 05:09 PM |
| 3 | The battle for feminism's soulSo basically it's a "Say something loud enough and long enough, it becomes fact" argument. Beh. The article is correct in one thing: there is no authority or privilege over feminism as it is subjective. As is pretty much anything, really. The plan to flip the gaze? Impossible, because that gaze is merely subjective, and even in numbers, it affords no authority or privilege. It is merely a perspective. I don't know where the author was going with this. People tell me all the time what feminism is… | /r/MensRights | 19/01/12 03:20 PM |
| 1 | Prepare to rageI personally would not consider that rape. That's more sexual harassment than anything. If that happened to me, I'd be more hesitant to be around the guy until he'd earned my trust back, but I wouldn't call the cops. Also, the selected top post is only 9 minutes later, so chances are it's the same person. A trolljob. | /r/MensRights | 19/01/12 03:01 PM |
| 4 | We tell boys not to cry, then wonder about male suicide: In courageously speaking of his depression, ex-footballer Dean Windass has helped to highlight a crisis in men's mental healthWait, what? To be honest it's sadly a "I'm going to use the tools of hegemonic masculinity against your 'weakness' because you've said/done things we find detestable" thing that tends to happen far too often surrounding political/media/etc. figureheads. It's the whole "You said something I disagree with and was offended by, so I'm going to demonize you and treat you as subhuman at any moment of vulnerability". We see it on those shit radio shows like Rush Limbaugh and Dan Savage, we see it from … | /r/MensRights | 19/01/12 02:51 PM |
| 0 | Professor said this today - thought /mensrights might like itI think it's something that could make a valid criticism, but certainly not a definition. It's certainly a fairly large divide between the "hard" and "soft" sciences, from what I've experienced and understood. It's a strange, but necessary balance in education. | /r/MensRights | 19/01/12 02:38 PM |
| 2 | Why can't "nice" feminists admit that their movement has a dark side to it?In absolute agreement. I don't understand the argument that more ____ should be in parliament/political office. There should be a removal of stigma from certain groups so they can enter with the same social expectations of capability, but in no way would I want a 50/50 split. Opportunity is important, equality of expectations is important. Not the ratio of people elected. :) And just because someone is a member of some identity, it doesn't mean they have their interests at heart. The people who … | /r/MensRights | 16/01/12 07:46 AM |
| 2 | Why can't "nice" feminists admit that their movement has a dark side to it?Refers to the assertion that mainstream feminism is "turning the tables" and putting women in power and oppressing men. Maybe that's what many people THINK mainstream feminism is, but I've met hundreds of feminists and have only come across maybe two who were aiming to enforce a 50/50 split in sex within elected officials. Don't ask me to explain how that would work, as I sure as hell have no clue. My "nope" also refers to the notion that feminists can't think men have ever been oppressed withou… | /r/MensRights | 16/01/12 07:27 AM |
| 2 | Why can't "nice" feminists admit that their movement has a dark side to it?Sexual assault is a very difficult issue because only in rare circumstances can you determine who the offender was with 100% proof, and know the exact context around the events occurred. A fair bit of the time it's easy to prove someone was sexually assaulted; determining who did it, because sexual assaults often happen in a secluded environment, is much more difficult because it comes down to eyewitness reports and, if you're really lucky, DNA evidence. Even then, the evidence can be considered… | /r/MensRights | 16/01/12 06:57 AM |
| 4 | Why can't "nice" feminists admit that their movement has a dark side to it?No, you have an opinion. I'm just sharing mine. From my perspective, there's no central leadership in feminism and theoretically, it's near impossible to. So I personally don't believe that feminism can be approached as if it does have people running the show. From my experiences and research, there are a plethora of different groups with different aims, with different perspectives on equality. If you feel feminism is, however, a cohesive unit, then please, inform me. All I know is what I've rea… | /r/MensRights | 16/01/12 06:27 AM |
| 3 | Why can't "nice" feminists admit that their movement has a dark side to it?The issue with what you're saying is that you're not understanding how segmented feminism is. At its simplest, feminism is a theory which aims to seek out and reduce inequality and to act against systems of power, historically placing emphasis on women's issues. However, when the so-called third wave of feminism sprung up, the whole "we're all women, we all share solidarity" went out the window, because most of the major groups were inherently flawed in how they were addressing systems of power.… | /r/MensRights | 16/01/12 05:39 AM |
| 2 | Why can't "nice" feminists admit that their movement has a dark side to it?I'm not saying nothing is wrong. I'm saying there are people in every movement who do bad shit, and I don't have a magic wand to fix it. I try to raise awareness, organize people, and work to amend any damage I have the power to. I'm not dismissing the bad things that happen in the movement, but I'm not about to say "Well, because some bad stuff happened by some people, this entire movement is corrupt and filled with terrible people". So long as the theory of systems of power exists, and so long… | /r/MensRights | 16/01/12 03:51 AM |
| 1 | Why can't "nice" feminists admit that their movement has a dark side to it?There are inequalities everywhere. I would imagine that it's more complex than "women are oppressed by men". I'm sure there are some areas that occurs, yes. | /r/MensRights | 16/01/12 03:43 AM |
| 3 | Why can't "nice" feminists admit that their movement has a dark side to it?You do realize there are feminist groups all over the world working to improve their own local and national conditions. If I were to go from Canada(where I reside and have lived all my life), to a place like Iran to help them in their own goals, I'd be pretty useless and it could work against their efforts. I don't know much at all about Iran, I have no firsthand experience with what lives they lead. It would be the equivalent of a white woman appropriating the two-spirited identity in an effort… | /r/MensRights | 16/01/12 02:35 AM |
| 3 | Why can't "nice" feminists admit that their movement has a dark side to it?Nope. There's this thing called intersectionality that's been part of feminism since the early 90s(maybe late 80s). It's a pretty cool thing. It did away with the "All women have a shared experience and are affected by inequality the same way" tripe that took over near the end of the 2nd wave. Different identities and roles are studied to see how systems of power affect them. | /r/MensRights | 16/01/12 02:29 AM |
| 3 | Why can't "nice" feminists admit that their movement has a dark side to it?Of course feminism has some rough groups I don't agree with, who I feel are damaging to the cause. I very rarely encounter people who subscribe to such beliefs, but I do know they exist. Do I feel they "count" within feminism? Yes, but they tend to be a small minority, however vocal and connected they may be. Of course they count, but they don't represent all of feminism. They represent one piece of it, from what I've been able to gather. There are bad groups in every movement. I've seen vitriol… | /r/MensRights | 16/01/12 02:07 AM |
| 1 | Take back the Night = "Only men can stop rape" bullshitI totally get what you're saying, it's just that I think there has to be some way to make such "dangerous situations" not dangerous. Unless something is being done to change how people think about certain things, and until better education is brought in, etc. those situations will remain dangerous. In my mind,if you're not trying to reduce that danger organically(and not just by adding more police presence), then it essentially places fault on people for being in those environments in the first … | /r/MensRights | 16/01/12 01:34 AM |
| 1 | Take back the Night = "Only men can stop rape" bullshitI mean, it's not a bad idea to plan. It's just that, there's this issue that comes up in rape cases where the police ask "Why were you here?" "What were you dressed like" "Why did you park your car so far away?" "Why did you take your eyes off your drink for a second?" And use it to pass blame onto the victim. I mean, I could walk through the "worst" part of my city and get stabbed for no reason. I probably shouldn't have gone there in retrospect, but it does not validate a shred of blame to be … | /r/MensRights | 15/01/12 02:02 PM |
| 2 | Canadian Currency Features Feminist Revisionism - The SpearheadI have also wondered why the hell a woman is drawn up in relation to the finding of insulin. Science isn't a "let's prove men/women are better than women/men at science!" contest. It's an effort to help out all of society and make life better and easier for all. What's the point in faking something like this? Women didn't have the opportunities to research or work in the field back then, or get as high of an education. There's no shame for women in men having discovered much of what we know as s… | /r/MensRights | 12/01/12 05:14 AM |
| 1 | Original Male Sin and the Strip Show | GendErraticGood article. I got a good chuckle wen I read the commenter proposing Breslin was a female chauvinist pig. That commenter should go back and read the book. I find it's usually the anti-porn feminists that get the most upset about strip clubs and any sexual content men access, as well as getting upset from anyone escaping a great many gender norms. It's really just a kind of slut shaming, and it's inexcusable. I know some guys who go to strip clubs, they're perfectly good people. I know some girl… | /r/MensRights | 12/01/12 05:08 AM |
| 2 | Take back the Night = "Only men can stop rape" bullshitIt's true, statistics are generally a pretty...malleable group of data. People often make of them what they will. I mean, I can't think of many ways to improve the current situation, and the current situation is pretty atrocious. Maybe if the police were less judgmental, perhaps. Maybe if society was less judgmental. Maybe more men and women could come forward with these types of allegations and not be shooed away. Whether or not the 7-10 percent i vaguely remember is including those who don't r… | /r/MensRights | 12/01/12 04:44 AM |
| 2 | Take back the Night = "Only men can stop rape" bullshitI'm not entirely certain about US stats, but a few years back the stats on rape conviction in this area weren't too great, and IIRC sat around 7-10%. All I can say is what I've been privy to anecdotally(which obviously doesn't mean a whole lot in the grand scheme of things). None have had any sort of success in the legal system. Two were dismissed by the local police, one was dismissed by a jury. Two others I know didn't feel it was worth it to report. | /r/MensRights | 12/01/12 01:58 AM |
| 4 | Take back the Night = "Only men can stop rape" bullshitSome good points for sure. There is no possible physical preventative measure that's active in preventing all rapes. Instead, there is a reliance on working within culture to try and make changes. Sadly, I do not believe any education program will dissuade someone from using rape as a weapon of power over someone else. At the same time, proving beyond a reasonable doubt that one is raped is nearly impossible in the legal system we have today(at least, here in Ontario, Canada, it seems that way).… | /r/MensRights | 11/01/12 09:47 PM |
| 5 | Doofy Husbands. My dad and I always joke about this, but if you think about it... it's pretty offensive.It pretty much describes why most sitcoms hurt my brain | /r/MensRights | 08/01/12 11:36 PM |
| 4 | Gender wars: Men, women more different than thoughtEh, this is one study against how many? I'll check this one out more thoroughly later, but I'm quite skeptical. From my education withing psychology, sociology, biology and gender studies, I've so far come to the opinion that men and women are very similar. Men and women aren't blank slates or anything, as there are biological cues our culture keys in on and and which help interpret our bodies in turn. Small differences which are extrapolated from. I've read nothing that leads me to believe thos… | /r/MensRights | 05/01/12 03:08 AM |
| 1 | "Well you must be dating/marrying the wrong women, then!" How do you answer this smug, empty argument?If considering others as well as yourself is adjusting male sexuality, then that's a pretty dangerous statement to make about male sexuality. I typed out parts of why I feel alcohol makes consent complex, and that generally, if you're drunk, and/or your potential partner is drunk, you shouldn't have sex. I'm not saying they deserve what they get, I'm saying that it is a bad idea to start the night with. Just like going to a party you know you'll be drinking at without making sure someone sober h… | /r/MensRights | 14/12/11 10:51 PM |
| 0 | "Well you must be dating/marrying the wrong women, then!" How do you answer this smug, empty argument?I personally heavily dislike alcohol, it's had an outright negative effect of my family and many of my friends' lives. That said, I find being intoxicated to be a troublesome matter when it comes to consent. If a girl is drunk, I do not think she can properly consent. If a guy is drunk, I do not think he can properly consent. So I think that sober + drunk sex is incredibly exploitative and violent if it is not occurring within a specific context that was established prior to drinking. Generally,… | /r/MensRights | 14/12/11 07:44 PM |
| 1 | A call to mothers to stop killing their childrenWell, I more or less personally define my idea of feminism as assessing and working to deconstruct systems of power, to critically assess what is taken for granted and assumed in society, and to promote equity. I see egalitarianism and feminism as basically the same thing(I feel that feminism has ascended from the realm of gender and into many other identifiers as well). I don't like the idea of canning the label of 'feminist' because I know there is still work left to do regarding issues that a… | /r/MensRights | 14/12/11 07:24 PM |
| 1 | A call to mothers to stop killing their childrenThere have been some major discrepancies, yes, but for the most part I would say that proponents of feminism have been working alongside their ideals. I don't really know what else to say. Yeah, things come up that are embarrassing and shameful, just like any other activism front. But the vast majority of changes and efforts made in the name of feminism that I've borne witness to have been positive. shrug | /r/MensRights | 14/12/11 06:19 PM |
| 1 | A call to mothers to stop killing their childrenI'm kind of losing track of what I've said where at this point but I'll concede there is generally a sect of feminists who are in positions of power and sometimes abuse this power to push deals that do not take both sexes into account, for whatever reason. And yeah, the "lower ranking"(as if there is a ranking outside of wealth and political influence in this regard) ones like myself, and pretty much any young(35 and under) feminist, will be seen as the NAFALT ones, but that comes with the terri… | /r/MensRights | 14/12/11 06:14 PM |
| 2 | "Well you must be dating/marrying the wrong women, then!" How do you answer this smug, empty argument?"Do you deny that it is men who have a natural inclination to protect women, regardless of social conditioning? Do you deny that it is men, and it always has been men, who have worked to create social influences that ensure a stable society, whereas it is women, and it always has been women, who have worked to create social influences that ensure the destruction of society (feminism)? On the whole, women are fickle and capricious by nature. They crave safety and privilege. On the whole, men are … | /r/MensRights | 14/12/11 06:05 PM |
| 2 | "Well you must be dating/marrying the wrong women, then!" How do you answer this smug, empty argument?I'm curious about how you see feminists only wanting masculinity to change so it betters women's lives...I mean, I just want men to be free to be who they are, to not see every rigid gender norm as something they must naturalize within themselves. I want men not to have burdens placed on their shoulders at the hands of sexism, heteronormativity, etc. I want men to not be seen as less-capable of raising kids. I want men to not be assumed almost always as the aggressor in domestic violence. I want… | /r/MensRights | 14/12/11 05:46 PM |
| 0 | A call to mothers to stop killing their childrenI'd be very, very surprised if that number breached 2%. | /r/MensRights | 14/12/11 05:26 PM |
| 1 | "Well you must be dating/marrying the wrong women, then!" How do you answer this smug, empty argument?I'm not entirely sure if women are naturally open to receiving, but certainly it's a key foundational result of the norms we built our current society upon. Women are taught they can be bought, so it makes sense that when compensation comes their way, it's received well. And that the way women are constructed as sexual objects, it makes sense that men feel they need to accept certain desires in order to gain a sort of expected endgame. I'm hesitant to state that men are biologically programmed t… | /r/MensRights | 14/12/11 09:10 AM |
| 0 | Let's get this straight. Gender studies isn't about 'women good, men bad' | or is it? | The GuardianYou certainly raised some interesting points. I'll need to return to this tomorrow after my study session to give it further thought. To be truthful, I'm not sure what form of society would be necessary. All I know is that killing one system of power does very little. But thank you for the wonderful thought-provoking conversation. Hopefully I'll remember to check this thread again. If I do not, I hope you have a wonderful night/morning :) | /r/MensRights | 14/12/11 08:57 AM |
| 2 | "Well you must be dating/marrying the wrong women, then!" How do you answer this smug, empty argument?I don't disagree with you here , really. I didn't mean to infer that only men affect men, women affect women, and so forth.I'm in full agreement that pretty much everyone reproduces these norms, and helps enforce them. I'll also agree that there's a lot of discussion about what words can and can't be used by a fair bit of feminists. I'm of the crowd of telling people why some words should/shouldn't be said, but I understand words will be spoken. No use having a huge fit over it unless it's withi… | /r/MensRights | 14/12/11 08:53 AM |
| 2 | "Well you must be dating/marrying the wrong women, then!" How do you answer this smug, empty argument?Nah. The thing with feminism is that not all women are feminists. I have some girlfriends who firmly state they are not, and they also state they enjoy the benefits feminism has given and do not wish for that to change. On this moral ground, I'm at odds with them, even if I think the rest of their character is generally pretty decent. Still, it concerns me. Heteronormativity reduced some expectations women had placed on them in marriage, yes, but not all. I will admit men have not enjoyed such p… | /r/MensRights | 14/12/11 07:37 AM |
| 3 | "Well you must be dating/marrying the wrong women, then!" How do you answer this smug, empty argument?And that is a product of heteronormativity. Guys provide goods and services. Marriage is considered such a thing, the way it's materialized in western culture. Under this culture it only makes sense that guys provide a fix for girls to receive. Marriage is transactional. It's like a 'clean' version of prostitution, but with a commitment and sometimes dealing in abstracts. Though, if you remove communication, you remove a big part of human connection and make marriage more material by default. Th… | /r/MensRights | 14/12/11 07:24 AM |
| -1 | A call to mothers to stop killing their childrenCall me a troll if you wish. I'm not trying to incite people for kicks. I enjoy discussion. I'm in school so I don't have time currently for a "real" job. But I suppose I'll try to get one when I finish grad school in a few years. I don't hurt children. I'd like to think I'm rather good around kids and that I'd probably be a pretty decent parent. I also don't promote breaking up families. More or less, I prefer people in relationships establish communication and work through their issues with ea… | /r/MensRights | 14/12/11 07:15 AM |
| 0 | A call to mothers to stop killing their childrenI think men can be pretty great. Men can also be pretty bad. I think women can be pretty great. Women can also be pretty bad. I like getting to know the person, because WHAT you are isn't as important as WHO you are. Which is why I have a great dislike for Solonas, for Greer, and all the other hatemongers who promote violence and polarized thought. In my local community, I know a lot of feminists. I know a good variety from Ontario, and a few more from across Canada, and I have not witnessed sup… | /r/MensRights | 14/12/11 07:02 AM |
| 1 | savethemales.ca - Dystopia 2035This was good for a laugh before bed! So absurd! Thanks for this :) | /r/MensRights | 14/12/11 06:45 AM |
| 4 | Dr Phil and Domestic Violence: He Just Doesn’t Get ItDr Phil is a piece of trash hack-job. He panders to his audence rather than getting to the root of real issues. Unsurprisingly, it's things like this that got me into men's rights and feminism. HUGE injustice and unfair treatment in that episode. | /r/MensRights | 14/12/11 06:17 AM |
| 5 | "Well you must be dating/marrying the wrong women, then!" How do you answer this smug, empty argument?IMHO It's less to do with poor judging of character and more to do with: -Not having a culture that enforces commitment -Having a culture that pushes instant gratification -Having a culture that props up material goods and big fancy weddings that get people into huge debt to start off their lives together (note, debt is a huge stressor that can cause a lot of emotional friction). -Having a culture that considers sex-related communication within relationships as unimportant -Having a culture that… | /r/MensRights | 14/12/11 06:06 AM |
| 0 | A call to mothers to stop killing their childrenAnd thus, you've stumbled upon something many feminists think about often. Groups with power have the ability to decide what something is or isn't through the creation of knowledge. This can, and does, lead to epistemic violence. Feminism is an abstract concept, so it must be defined subjectively. If you want to believe that there is a central power that can define it past an abstract state, that's your take, and I must respect that. I personally think that's like saying a republican Candidate i… | /r/MensRights | 14/12/11 04:27 AM |
| -2 | A call to mothers to stop killing their childrenWhat, exactly is "conventional masculinity"? I personally see some forms of hegemonic masculinity as pathologies, as they truly do harm men. Masculinity is fine though. Sure, there are some queer theorists that wish to dissolve the binary completely and dissolve gender entirely. They would thus see our understandings of masculinity and femininity as pathologies, logically. | /r/MensRights | 14/12/11 03:49 AM |
| 0 | A call to mothers to stop killing their childrenThe thing is that there are very very few organized feminists that are organized on a national or global level. In the second wave, when people thought Feminism meant pushing for women's equality, it was a lot easier for people to unite. Now that feminist scholars realize that basically saying "all women have the same experiences" is a flawed manner of thinking, intersectionality has taken over as a primary aim, if there is one in third wave feminism. And that's where things get complex. There a… | /r/MensRights | 14/12/11 03:41 AM |
| 0 | A call to mothers to stop killing their childrenI'm not saying they aren't feminists. I'm just saying their behaviour is not representative of all feminists(or, anecdotally derived, almost any). The quotes you lift to represent feminism are not often supported. I've yet to meet a feminist who personally believe those. Greer is a sensationalist hack. Besides, feminism has advanced since the early years, it was horrendously flawed in the first and second waves. You know what a lot of feminist groups work for around the world? Reproductive healt… | /r/MensRights | 14/12/11 03:33 AM |
| -1 | A call to mothers to stop killing their childrenValerie Solonas fractured feminism in a way that alienated her from pretty much everyone else. She hated a lot of people for few reasons, and I don't personally know a single feminist who supports her ideals. Personally, I think it's a rancid book. Some think it's a parody of patriarchy, but I'm too far distanced from that era(wasn't even born yet) so I can't possibly link it with what patriarchy was back then. As I see it, it's off the mark in that respect, so I just think it's rancid. I mean, … | /r/MensRights | 14/12/11 03:03 AM |
| 0 | A call to mothers to stop killing their childrenMost feminists I've talked to can agree it has a primary objective of addressing and working against systems of power. But yeah, there's a reason why feminism is so segmented now. | /r/MensRights | 14/12/11 01:30 AM |
| 2 | Let's get this straight. Gender studies isn't about 'women good, men bad' | or is it? | The GuardianThank you for the advice :) I tend to gravitate towards places that have more ... polarized discussions and I suppose that was why I floated over here when selecting my reddit bar's presets. I'll certainly check those places out and get the feel on the mensrights community. I figure it won't be ultimately positive, people tend to have an "Us vs them" standpoint regarding anything that threatens their positions. That, and it's the internet, so anonymity often results in more antagonistic remarks … | /r/MensRights | 14/12/11 01:13 AM |
| -1 | A call to mothers to stop killing their childrenBecause feminism isn't a homogenous whole. There are different types, because feminism means something different to a lot of people. There are a lot of different focuses people have. Yes, there are lies, falsehoods, misconceptions and whatnot being thrown from some feminists at mens issues. That stuff gets thrown back at feminism as a whole by some mens rights folk as well. I think that we need to separate the singular from the plural here. | /r/MensRights | 14/12/11 01:09 AM |
| 0 | Let's get this straight. Gender studies isn't about 'women good, men bad' | or is it? | The GuardianWell, first, he advocates for (to put it very simply) not the changing of masculinity, but changing the acceptable forms of masculinity. Masculinity is incredibly repressive and limited in how men can express themselves without having social deviance attached to them. This is evident in how people insult him in the article's comments, and how he's insulted in the article. He's spot on in that regard. The issue brought up is that behaviours are pushed into binaries, and that socially genders cert… | /r/MensRights | 14/12/11 01:06 AM |
| 1 | Let's get this straight. Gender studies isn't about 'women good, men bad' | or is it? | The GuardianIt's my problem that I've read ideas? Like I said, I don't agree with all he says. I often criticize, in numerous cases, his lack of thorough citation and his usage of stereotypes and assumptions in place of peer-reviewed studies. So it's my problem that I've read Kimmel? I've read a lot of antagonistic stuff like that website too, doesn't that mean I should hold most of those ideals as well? Please, tell me why Kimmel is so bad. I've read a lot of the comments on that website and it's depressin… | /r/MensRights | 14/12/11 12:37 AM |
| 0 | Let's get this straight. Gender studies isn't about 'women good, men bad' | or is it? | The GuardianThe article stoops to ad hominem attacks on Kimmel to make their argument. It also misses most primary points of Kimmel's arguments and and refuses to engage with his theories without applying a hostile slant attached to it. They should tell me why he's wrong, not that he's just wrong and eventually blaming it on him being a feminist. I mean, I've read a lot of Kimmel. There's a fair bit of stuff he's done that I'm not in agreement with, but this article has brought up only a shred of it. I mean… | /r/MensRights | 14/12/11 12:20 AM |
| 0 | Let's get this straight. Gender studies isn't about 'women good, men bad' | or is it? | The GuardianI understand it's technically unrelated. I'm more rambling rather than making an argument. A lot of people I've encountered who believe men are better at women at math and science believe a hell of a lot of stereotypical biological determinist stuff with links to eugenics and whatnot. It's why I bristle a bit when people push to assert men ARE better than women at math and sciences, even if I'm projecting those anecdotal experiences onto others. I understand the flaws in my instinctive reasoning… | /r/MensRights | 14/12/11 12:01 AM |
| 0 | Let's get this straight. Gender studies isn't about 'women good, men bad' | or is it? | The GuardianI have a hard time understanding what someone could hate about Kimmel... Edit: Fixed. | /r/MensRights | 13/12/11 11:18 PM |
| 1 | A call to mothers to stop killing their childrenFeminism is hate? You're being way too simplistic with that, IMO. I mean, the third class of my first year "Women and Gender studies" course dispelled the myth of domestic violence being solely reproduced by men. It was used as one of four or five examples to further introduce the class participants to applying critical thinking skills, challenge assumptions and what we take for granted on a daily basis. My second year Critical Intersections prof further pushed the issue as a cultural one reprod… | /r/MensRights | 13/12/11 11:10 PM |
| 0 | Let's get this straight. Gender studies isn't about 'women good, men bad' | or is it? | The GuardianA single study can rarely do that on its own. There are always limitations that wind up diluting the claims of the study. I'm only a second year psych student, so my understanding of the validity of the study is simply rudimentary, though. I personally, not being a professional researcher, feel uneasy about eugenics, the history of "biological superiority", and other approaches that basically assert someone is inferior. I mean, there are some that don't equate intelligence to one's math and scie… | /r/MensRights | 13/12/11 11:01 PM |
| 1 | Let's get this straight. Gender studies isn't about 'women good, men bad' | or is it? | The GuardianThe theory is that knowledge is power, and the creation of knowledge is thus a system of power. So it would then make sense to apply a critical eye to the creation of knowledge to see what is being taken for granted, what is being assumed....women don't intuitively know what is true any more or less than men. Logic and rationality are, however, coloured with the bias of what people DEEM logical or rational(sociocultural influences). It is always acceptable to question "common sense". For a long … | /r/MensRights | 13/12/11 09:13 PM |
| 1 | So I admitted to being an MRA to some colleagues last night...I'll be the first to admit that there's a lot of skepticism around MRA. It seems that both feminism and mens rights groups both have their fair share of close-minded people unwilling to accept that there are a plethora of issues in the world, many of which are shared across the sex binary. There are feminists who feel wronged and want to gain recuperation at the direct expense of men, and there are masculists who who feel wronged and that want to 'put women back in their place' For me, the prope… | /r/MensRights | 13/12/11 09:01 PM |
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