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Question for RedPilllogsin/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 07:03 AM
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It is common knowledge that every news channel has its own bias and they will spin stories to fit certain narratives. They have no obligation to be perfectly factual. Newspapers are not news channels and the bias you're referring to is usually covered by shows that are classified as entertainment and not news. Fox News, for example, labels their most popular shows as "editorial commentary" and separate from their news coverage. They intentionally make it hard to tell the difference to push their…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 11:49 PM
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GamerGaters are not spending all their time talking about these professional victims, they are talking about other stuff. Maybe not now. We're talking about a difference of over 200k tweets a day and after the media exposed the type of abuse these women were subjected to. There's even an FBI investigation going on. The landscape of GG is just different now compared to August-October. You're still ignoring that people can say "you" and "she" to talk about any of these women, and some people just …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 02:39 PM
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What was the point of that? You showed me that typically just the GamerGate hashtag is used more often than GamerGate with the words "ethics" or "journalism" in front. GamerGate people typically use just the "#GamerGate" hashtag. Geez, do I have to teach you how their search engine works? If you just search "ethics" and "journalism" it's going to show you literally all tweets with those words, not just the ones that are associated with GG. It's a comparison of those search terms, not a narrowing…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 02:00 AM
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Oh look, I can do that too. It turns out that gamergate is about 2% about ethics or journalism (not to mention he didn't even get the twitter handle right). From the article I linked: "If GamerGate is about ethics among journalists, why is the female developer receiving 14 times as many outraged tweets as the male journalist?" "[The official Kotaku] account has been pummeled with 23,500 tweets since September 1. But that number pales in comparison to the tweets received by Brianna Wu" Why exactl…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 09:59 PM
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Which prominent figure in GamerGate has done so? I was talking about the movement as a whole, I'm not really familiar with who they would consider their leaders (y'know, since it's really twitter wars). Hence the bottomless pit of angry nerds.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 08:18 PM
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If you want actual journalism there are real journalists out there and they aren't writing game reviews. These are industry publications that are heavily influenced and paid by industry people. To think otherwise is naive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 08:05 PM
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lol you think it's ok for journalists to cover stories about people they're fucking. bless your heart. I don't think of gamespot, kotaku and other gaming publications as legitimate journalism. I assume that most of the large companies are paying for good reviews and not disclosing that info. I assume most of these people know each other and they review their friends' work and occasionally pay people off.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 08:03 PM
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Because all industries do that, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 07:42 PM
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Going to the gym and improving my game(conversation skills, emotional intelligence, flirting) did not make me high value? TOP KEK Going to the gym and being able to talk to someone like an adult are definitely good, that's not the only thing that happened to your SMV though. You also adopted a RP worldview and I think that a lot of BP people would say that lowered your SMV by quite a bit, maybe more than getting ripped would. Either way you have no evidence of value on either side, you think the…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 02:40 PM
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Oh no, having industry connections has an impact on whether or not your game does well?! Call NYTimes, they must know that the gaming industry isn't the special snowflake we thought it was! We're calling NYTimes and not Gamespot or something, because they are real journalists, by the way. I bet you're cool with the people opposing gamergate mailing dead animals to journalists covering the story, calling in bomb threats to gamergate meetups, and bullying dwarves in wheelchairs for hosting boards …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 02:22 PM
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When I mean real. I mean they misogynist and sexist actually happens. Huh? I believe there are actual misogynists and sexists who are angry about gaming journalists. I also believe that gaming journalism is a business and they are probably only releasing content they think will generate them income. I'm totally fine with that. I'm also fine with Zoe Quinn sleeping with whoever she wants to. If you've ever been to a gaming convention you know there's probably sex going on, I'm unsurprised. Whethe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 05:05 AM
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implying praying made me a high value man, and not the months in the gym, weeks practicing my game You're implying the gym and practicing "game" got made you high value, when you have no proof of value on either side of TRP. implying I cannot prove anything when I have pre-RP data and post-RP data If I pray for tumor shrinkage and it shrinks I have data that shows that praying works, right? implying I have to read and base my life on one gospel instead of trying out multiple advice Christianity …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 04:54 AM
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Because many low SMV men have them on just such a pedestal. Probably because many low SMV men won't look beyond many high SMV women. (Also maybe because TRP only seems to factor in physical attractiveness as part of SMV.) Those poor fuckers have to get her off the pedestal before she fires a giant steaming shit at him from that great height. They aren't treating them and Dealing with them like normal flawed human beings. TRP goes beyond just treating them like a normal flawed human being. TRP sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/15 11:03 PM
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You make it seem like it is only about cultivating SMV to get laid. Instead of telling a bunch of men to be better and that they need to develop status or certain body types to get laid, wouldn't it be easier to tell them to lower their standards then? High SMV differentials don't just happen between 9s and 6s they also happen between 5s and 2s. Part of TRP seems to be about knocking their target women off of "the pussy pedestal" to seem more achievable. This results in many TRP men thinking tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/15 10:33 PM
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ITT: Every TRP guy misinterpreting "treating hotness as a job" attitude for "every hot girl" and "normal hot girl" as "unattractive." Also using those specific pictures as a measure of objective hotness when no one can agree. Thread derailed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/15 05:36 PM
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These are pretty standard insults that are being thrown around. It would be like if you called a woman a "slut," "hambeast," "child" or "SJW." They are all names TRP throws around. As if a woman has to be ugly, fat, or stupid to have the opinions or do things that TRP doesn't like. Instead of looking at the language that these subreddits that are strictly dedicated to making fun of you are using you should perhaps look at what it's in response to. Like these from the sources these comments were …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/15 05:26 PM
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The red pill is to real dating as crossfit is to real lifting. It looks like dating, sounds like dating and it works for some people. But other people get hurt or look like fools. You had something that was working (lifting) and then you stopped, when you tried to get back into it someone told you about crossfit and now you are like these guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 08:05 PM
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So you don't care about the why or how it works, as long as it works. But you admit that it's not working for you...yet. Why are you Red Pill, exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 06:38 PM
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I'm getting a sexually frustrated vibe... If that true, you only harmed yourself by lying. The frustrated vibe you're getting is probably me being frustrated over your arrogance. If you do... If it's what you are getting despite other preferences... Brrrrriiiiiiiiing... Seriously, what's with the ominous scare tactics? You should have stopped at "great for you." On the BJs. Girls giving you nothing but BJs is a bad sign. A red flag. BJs are a normal part of foreplay, not the main event.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 05:25 PM
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You said "the intellectual process of TRP means jack shit" to some RPers (implying yourself). Instead, you implied that you're here because it "supports a goal that we have." If you don't believe in the intellectual process and you're using TRP for support purposes, surely you don't need an environment that encourages you to be toxic to the very people you're trying to bang or the "betas" that you are/previously were. There are plenty of men that want to bang chicks or fix their marriages/LTRs. …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 04:44 PM
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FTFY Why is it that all TRP thinks "FTFY" means "put words in your mouth for you?" Believe me, my wife (EDIT: and all my female friends) is desperately hoping that I get back on the Red Pill horse ASAP. Is Red Pill code for "work out" for you? I don't understand what exactly your wife is "desperately hoping" you'll do if you already know RP concepts and used to practice them, apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 04:27 PM
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the intellectual process of TRP means jack shit This is the shit you're selling.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 04:24 PM
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As long as you mean "It's a blowjob when I want it" rather than "That bitch keeps giving me blowjobs Oh noooo, save me from the evil blow job RP! If that 6x a week every turns into <1 per week... And you'll be surprised how often that occurs... You know where we are. Ah yes, the good old, "my sex life went to shit and yours will too" boogeyman. Cool story, bro. My wife is unplugged. She's RP too. We've talked a lot about RP. It wasn't a coincidence. What works for you and your wife is not a univ…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 04:22 PM
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You need to understand that, for some of us at least, the intellectual process of TRP means jack shit, and we're only here because it supports a goal that we have. Sorry, I don't have to understand that. If you don't believe in the shit you're selling, stop selling shit. If you need a support group find one that focuses on support instead of ragging on most of the world's population.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 04:06 PM
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"I can't get laid, but I used to." "No worries guy, I got you covered check out /r/TheRedPill this stuff totally works!" "Wow, really?! So your wife is having sex with you again, I know you were going through a four year dry spell, must be great to be over the hump." "Well, no. We still haven't had sex yet, but, you know, I'm getting there...eventually!" "Oh..."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 04:02 PM
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TRP claims all the TRP successes, but the TRP failures are failures in properly applying RP philosophies. But TRP also claims all the non-RP success as being unknowingly RP. No wonder you guys think TRP is so successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 03:57 PM
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Sounds like the blind leading the blind to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 03:52 PM
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better than at any popint in our LTR before that, better than the 4 years with my previous longest relationship, better than the 2 years of my next longest relationship. Better than EVER. I'm not arguing that your sex life isn't great now, grats because you're obviously happy. Just saying maybe it wasn't TRP that did it for you. Maybe it was having kids, maybe it was when you started working out more, maybe it was your wife hitting her sexual peak (which happens later for women), maybe it was ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 03:48 PM
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So how's that "The Red Pill just works" narrative working out for you then?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 03:40 PM
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I find the things you guys say hilarious, sexist and/or factually incorrect. All these keep me coming back.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 03:39 PM
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Or your life started to get back to normal, and sex came progressively back. You say "usual triggers" and then fail to realize that your sex life returned eventually as those "triggers" probably weren't present anymore. Sounds like The Red Placebo to me. If you doubt us, try it and see.... You'll turn up back here with a purple or red flair in about a month or two. I really won't. I'm in a happy non-RP relationship with a very healthy sex life that I don't want to screw up, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 02:41 PM
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You've only been "unplugged" for the time that you've been married, were you DB before unplugging in your marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 02:20 PM
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Getting laid by your wife?! Golly gee, how do you manage that?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 01:48 PM
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Basically, they hamster away that all the success we have with women must be the result of choosing shitty women as partners. Um, you guys say a lot of shitty things about women and then say AWALT. What conclusions are we supposed to be drawing from that?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 01:42 PM
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This is false. Evidence? This is a well known problem. This is also false. I provided evidence of racial profiling of police on a large scale. Can you provide evidence of large scale police profiling of white people? I'm willing to be convinced. You victimize yourself over nothing. This is your opinion. It makes people feel uncomfortable and annoyed. It's counterproductive to ask one person to represent a whole race. People don't want to be constantly reminded that they are a minority. As a whit…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/15 06:24 PM
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Each of these things have their own privileges. White: Enormous representation in media, especially positive representation. Models, TV and movie stars are whiter than the population at large. No need to fear being racially profiled by police. Police officers aren't going to question your immigration status because you're hispanic. They won't stop you for "driving while black" or think you're "reasonably suspicious" based on your skin tone. No one will ask you about your human experience as a "w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/15 05:22 PM
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Masculine hobbies like hunting and contact sports, aggressiveness (physical and social), stoicism and being dominant.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 12:53 AM
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TRP already tells you to be the best version of yourself. I feel like you haven't read the material. That was my point, you don't need to have the hypermasculine stuff in TRP to make it work.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 09:24 PM
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Can you elaborate on how subverting gender roles would increase your SMV? It wasn't my intention to say that it would increase your SMV in the short term. I was saying as a group, it's a strategy for change. In the short term I'm advocating for simply ignoring gender roles and trying to be a better person over all (increasing your SMV).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 06:32 PM
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For example, Im in Japan. I've never seen a trace of feminism Look, it even has its own wiki entry! A lot of third-wave feminism has focused on relating feminism to places that aren't white, middle-class spaces. Basically it attempts to bring opportunities while respecting cultural contexts. You have a very west centric view of the world. More examples abound everywhere. You have a very western centric view of feminism. Try looking at a more modern view. I view the problem as bigger than a group…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 06:28 PM
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In a few very rare cases you will find someone who is more attracted to you the less masculine you are as a man. I find guys who act overly bro-y very unappealing, personally. But the bigger issue is that a lot of the guys who come to TRP are not immediately physically appealing in a masculine sense. TRP asks them to adopt a hypermasculine mindset and a dominant role in all personal interactions while working on their appearance. I find this approach to be somewhat comical. Some scrawny dudes ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 05:30 PM
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I'm saying that you don't need to have the hypermasculine stuff in TRP to make it work. I'm asking why TRP has never tried an alternative to that particular set of principles in TRP? Become better without focusing on manliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 05:17 PM
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Are you saying the only way you can be an attractive person is if you're exactly feminine or exactly masculine? There's no in between?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 04:32 PM
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They occured in places where feminism is non-existent as well. Where in the world is that? Feminism is a symptom of women's empowerment, which was made possible by technology, and not a cause of it. So feminism has done absolutely nothing that wouldn't have happened on its own? Can you explain how you came to that conclusion? And men are programmed to love women no matter what. This is the exact opposite of what TRP preaches, so why do you think this is a male role? Is it worth sticking to if it…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 04:23 PM
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TRP can be respectful of MRA ideals. There is a lot of crossover. You don't have to sacrifice things because women don't need you to be hypermasculine to find you attractive. Unless you're saying masculinity has a monopoly on good personality traits, you can still be a very appealing person without pushing gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 04:00 PM
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your interpretations are exactly the ones pushed by our mainstream narrative and a guy who was throwing out the alternatives would be a considered a vile misogynist. My interpretations are "pushed" by the mainstream because they are the most likely. Cheating is not common enough to explain every weird behavior that a man perceives in his SO. I would entertain the ones that he proposed simply because they are possible. I didn't call him a vile misogynist, put your strawman away.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 03:56 PM
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If those stories are true, the women in those stories will always give the benign explanation to their man. They almost never own up to it directly; they gaslight and trickle-truth. Yes, women are the only evil ones who gaslight and trickle-truth. Men would never do that, it's beneath them. They just tell the people they are in a relationship when they cheat on them, right? It's just, I've seen the alternative too many times You are surrounded by some real scumbags if you think the most possible…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 03:51 PM
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Someone who is unhappy with being love- and childless however is unhappy with exactly that and wouldn't have been happy with it had the circumstances been different Someone who is unhappy because they are tied to a child they didn't want which caused a marriage they didn't want is unhappy with exactly that. You're making a case based on single/childless people in general and some of them being all unhappy in the same way (because again, I said some people were choosing that). You're failing to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 03:43 PM
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It might have been different and the very same person could have told you how awesome their life was. How your situation different at all from my situation? Being involuntarily solitary and childless on the other hand is indeed in a way always the same. Who said involuntarily? I said people were less inclined to marry and have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 04:01 PM
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They need to bring value to the table. Ok, here's where we're disconnecting. I'm saying that men can be valuable in ways that aren't masculine. We live in a modern society where men can display worth in other ways. Things like aggressiveness and competitiveness are often counterproductive in a relationship. I'm asking why TRP is stressing the importance of these things instead of just physical appearance, how to be interesting 101, confidence and independence. All of these things are important f…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 09:24 AM
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"The method preferred by social scientists in determining the divorce rate is to calculate how many people who have ever married subsequently divorced. Counted that way, the rate has never exceeded about 41 percent, researchers say. Although sharply rising rates in the 1970's led some to project that the number would keep increasing, the rate has instead begun to inch downward." Source cited in article linked in OP Edit to clarify: This is saying the percentages of marriages that end in divorce …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 09:01 AM
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Worthwhile for what purpose? For men to have better standing in sex and society as a group. Not just idolizing the hypermasculine ideal of a man, and comparing all average men to it. It could have profound effects on the SMP. What is the exact timeline for this "long term"? Will any of us see the end to this? I think it's happening now, but isn't necessarily being championed by men. I think if TRP cares a lot about marginalized men it's an important topic that they should probably care about. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 08:48 AM
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Why does it matter if the marriages go down? Now that women are more independent, both sexes feel less inclined to marry. Lots of people are just cohabiting or taking themselves out of the marriage pool entirely because they'd rather focus on their careers and/or have no interest in children. The HuffPo piece cited an article that just echoes that it is likely because of increasing marriage selectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 08:24 AM
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To to show lower confidence, more meekness, and other traits correlated to low T. I don't really consider confidence to be a gendered trait, if we just relabel it "self-esteem" it sounds like we're talking about women; but that's beside the point. What if I changed these traits to passionate instead of stoic, easy-going instead of aggressive, and a team player instead of competitive. All of these are very positive qualities that go against the masculine stereotypes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 08:13 AM
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A lot of them believe that there are certain differences between men and women that are hardwired or close to being unalterable in the near term. Isn't it worthwhile to work for the long term, instead of operating on a regressive theory? There were times in history when an educated woman would have been horribly unattractive. I think we're shifting more towards a society where men who are more expressive and emotional are attractive. Why fight that? Work on the confidence (but not narcissism) an…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 07:52 AM
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If male scarcity existed, then I guess it could be possible to pull this off. Arguably, men are more scarce for committed relationships. You have a point for casual sex though. The vast majority of men who refuse to adhere to their gender roles will simply fail to reproduce. This goes against "beta bucks," doesn't it? Women "settle" for beta guys to have kids with. The alphas are encouraged to spin plates and not to settle, to never get oneitis. It's still frowned upon to have kids outside of ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 07:41 AM
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Traditional gender roles for these men aren't being taught by masculine father figures, and a masculine male model to look up to while growing up will be much, much, so much better than "subverting" traditional gender roles. This is a commonly repeated thing in TRP. I'm trying to ask you why you believe that a masculine path is better than subverting gender roles. Especially if there are hordes of beta men that feel uncomfortable trying to portray masculine traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 07:36 AM
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Guy's GF goes on vacation, comes back, is acting distant. Why? She cheated on him and now realizes she's not attracted to him. Or she realized that she was much happier away from him and now is reconsidering. Guy has deadbedroom with GF. She goes on vacation, comes back, and suddenly is all over him sexually. Why? She banged a guy bareback, and is now trying to pass it off as his. Or, she was feeling worn down by the relationship/life and time away helped her think and recharge. She's still inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 07:27 AM
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The quote he was responding to was: A pretty, super-intelligent women will be snapped up by men in her twenties, if she wants to be snapped up. That's exactly the situation he was talking about, in context.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 05:39 AM
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That's the fucking problem with women these days. They think they dictate 100% of the marriage timeline Or, you know, they need a man to be ready to marry when they are ready to marry. It takes two to tango, it's not like a woman just turns to whoever is closest and demands marriage. "I'm ready to marry and you will do this now." Adults look for people with compatible life goals. That's why you don't see early 30s women running after dudes in their early 20s expecting them to become fathers, jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 09:58 PM
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Maybe I'm just a magnet for crazy. Yeah, this is not normal behavior. These women have serious mental health issues. Threatening suicide is definitely emotional abuse. I don't think I have to tell you that cutting up your body is not normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 04:28 PM
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It's not meant to be interesting or have an agenda, it's supposed to be funny. It's a satire sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 07:33 AM
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If you didn't want us to influence your conversation, maybe don't have it in PPD. If you guys were gay or MGTOW we wouldn't care so much, but you're targeting us, why wouldn't we be concerned?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 07:30 AM
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The minority are the women who display their bodies publicly. The bigger picture is that the women who are internet famous, on TV, ads and porn are not the norm. Even when they are showing off, they are usually getting paid.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/15 08:03 AM
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Um, where?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/15 12:02 AM
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Did you see the 21k comment thread that exemplified women minding male attention? Feeling uncomfortable by male attention is not at all uncommon.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 11:57 PM
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I didn't claim they were literally raping and murdering. I was saying they were literally advocating that as advice. Murdering: 1 2 3 4 5 6 Original comment deleted, but multiple people into murdering there. Rape: 1 2 3 4 Edited to fix np links
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 11:29 PM
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I said misogynist rhetoric. The rhetoric TRP uses (to inform, and instruct men) is not the same as what they actually implement with women. I didn't think I had to explain that to you, I even gave examples. No RP man would suggest you walk up to women and say "I think you're a child, and I'm a man so I can be the leader you so desperately need." I assume you despise pretty much every dating advice column aimed at women too, right? There are good ones and bad ones, they are only human. Some TRP m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/15 07:13 PM
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Out of curiosity why do you call this harmful? Really? I've seen everything from "Hire a hitman to kill your wife if you think she's going to divorce-rape you, it's cheaper" to overcoming LMR by things that were pretty undeniably rape. Not to mention to brainwashing that says that basically all women are terrible bullshit children that can't help themselves and aren't worthy of anything other than being a hole for your dick. Some of this aimed at men and boys who they claim have basically 0 know…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/15 05:26 PM
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An example being when gay rights helped tank the immigration bill (backdoor federal recognition of gay marriage at the federal level with gay spouses) that was proposed shortly after Obama's second term. A time when republicans were humbled and were more willing to compromise. I don't think we read the same article about that. From the article you linked: Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) sought to extend that right to same-sex couples during the bill’s committee drafting…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/15 05:09 PM
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Wouldn't you rather we live in a sexist world, than a racist one? Do I have to live in either? Complaining about women with your buddy is pretty harmless. Instructing men on how to get laid with incredibly misogynist rhetoric isn't. Saying there are "worse" problems out there doesn't magically eliminate the original problem. Por que no los dos? As a related note, intersectionality seems like something that would be an interesting topic to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/15 05:17 AM
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Extra PSA, and I know this might sound silly. But can we also follow rule #6 for this sub: do not downvote. I hate seeing serious responses downvoted without any responses, from either side. Especially the single downvote far down a thread. It just stinks of pettiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/15 04:58 AM
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Fair enough, but it's to the discretion of the man in my opinion. Endangering your sex partner is never up to the discretion of the cheater. All I know is that it's very possible, the powers that be probably don't want the exact percentage out there. Possible doesn't make it "probable" and definitely not "all the time."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/15 03:28 AM
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LOL, the infamous "talk to her." Yeah plenty of men try that and the wife doesn't change her behavior. It's still talking to her if you say "You're not fulfilling my needs, I'm not happy and I'm going to sleep with other people." Then you're not going behind her back. Women initiate 70% of divorces. Doesn't mean that 70% of divorces are "divorce-rapes." You have no idea why these women initiate divorces, or even if they are getting money out of it. It could be cheating, it could just be that the…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/15 03:09 AM
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I have done that plenty. Maybe you should follow your own advice. I'm not the one proposing that women are shallow little clones with the same hobbies. I know a bunch of women with very diverse hobbies. It seems like most people responding to you with similar experiences. I simply can't find it believable that all the women you've met have only those hobbies (or even most of them). You probably assumed an awful lot about them and/or didn't get to know them very well. I would love for you to try …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/15 02:55 AM
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It's very rare to find a woman who has interests outside of fashion design, pop/celebrity culture, partying, attempting to be an amateur food critic on Yelp, and swiping left on Tinder. This is just so delusional, I can't even. Maybe you should spend some more time talking to real women instead of spending time in a male dominated echo chamber on reddit. Don't forget Hillary Clinton, oh wait... I'm not even sure what you're trying to imply here. Hillary is only as good as her pussy? lolwut? The …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/15 02:26 AM
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I've had more conversations with men about Nicki Minaj's butt than I'd ever care to repeat. As a woman I've literally never had a conversation about Iggy Azalea with anyone, much less her butt. I had to explain to my (male) roommate what the Trolley Problem was when he got a gun referencing it in Destiny. People have different interests, y'all.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/15 02:10 AM
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I'm not going to deal in depth with opinions on the subject, simply that I disagree. But as for thoughts? Oi, the hate is strong with this one: she's, to be quite blunt: an insufferable cunt. Pussy can be had cheaper. So what do we do? We fuck and chuck. if she's a cunt Too many whores she's not a woman I ever see as anything other than a hole to be used for my momentary leisure. bitches weaponise your libido against you and then force you to listen to their feelings because bitches are just pla…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 10:03 PM
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That's just stereotypical masculinity. If you like it for you, it's not toxic. If you're inflicting your beliefs on masculinity on others to their detriment, it's toxic masculinity. Ex. "Man, that dude is such a pussy, he doesn't even know how to change a tire."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 09:17 PM
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Men need to be taught masculine virtues, women need to be taught feminine virtues. The specifics of those virtues are up for debate, but you just can't have a functioning, high trust society without idealized behavioral norms. Here's where you lose me. If these gender roles are supposed to be inherent, then why do they need to be taught on such a large scale? Why reinforce the gender stereotypes that aren't easy for everyone to adhere to? And virtues like strength, resiliency, courage, and the a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 09:00 PM
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"Masculinity" isn't the same as "toxic masculinity." The latter is basically the enforced views that men can't be emotional, passive or weak. That says that men are violent/aggressive, afraid of commitment, obsessed with sex and must be natural leaders because AMALT. So if you fall out of the range of that very masculine man you're looked down on by society and it can be harmful to your identity as a man, hence the "toxic" part. Basically the male version of the problems with "real women have cu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 05:40 PM
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In the spirit of CMV, I'd ask you to consider this from a different angle. I think you're basing this response on women not getting fooled by the douchebags that promise women a deeper connection and then end up ONSing them. Girls who go home from a club with a guy might be expecting a ONS, but a lot of women go on a few dates and then don't get called back if they sleep with a guy. Then they lament on social media about the absence of good guys. To put it in financial terms: Some number of men …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 05:13 AM
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Saying "you need to lift" is not really a workout guide for beginners who don't know where to start. It's only slightly more specific than saying "exercise." Your post is more exercise tips than I've ever seen out of TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/15 04:19 AM
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It's not like TRP is spouting a lot of exercise routines either...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/15 01:51 AM
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What does your STEM degree have to do with this? I also have a STEM degree. A negative current still means that you're measuring a current. It's still a degree of the same thing, it's just flowing in the wrong direction. It's not like you suddenly started measuring resistance instead of current.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/15 07:35 PM
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You're still not listening. This case is varying degrees of judgement, positive vs. negative. Think of it like a -10 to 10 scale. 10 being a very positive effect, 0 being no effect and -10 being much worse than it not happening. For women it is in the negatives, for men it's positive. Can you see how it's varying degrees of an identical thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/15 10:57 PM
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The two applications being opposites it what makes it a double standard, if they were the same we would just call it a standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/15 10:14 PM
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You're not explaining why it's not a double standard. I laid out a case for it being a double standard. Referencing your military example isn't evidence for stud/slut not being a double standard. Unless you can point out where my reasoning is flawed, just saying "because it's the opposite" doesn't make it true.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/15 09:40 PM
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Can you explain then? You used the definition of double standards to describe why they aren't, and your example of a double standard fit into the same rubric as evidence. Can you tell me what part of the three points (rule, parties, application) I was incorrect about, so that I can understand why this isn't a double standard?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/15 09:05 PM
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Are you serious? I literally said that your military PT thing is also a double standard. What are you missing here? They are both double standards, you're not proving anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/15 04:20 PM
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Rule: "If you are promiscuous, people will judge you" Parties: Men and women Application: Men - Positively / Women - Negatively Does that clear it up for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/15 03:41 PM
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In order to make your logic follow it would be "If charity workers murdered people, we would still call them good people, but when a serial murder murders people they are bad." The rule being "murdering makes you bad" and the different parties being charity workers and serial murderers that it's unfairly applied to.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/15 03:17 PM
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I linked the definition because your justification for it not being a double standard looks almost exactly like the literal definition of a double standard. Slut/stud isn't a double standard it is two different standards for two different sexes vs. a rule or principle that is unfairly applied in different ways to different people or groups. There's just one rule "If you sleep with a bunch of people as a woman you're a slut, if you do it as a man you're a stud." That's what we're talking about he…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/15 03:10 PM
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dou·ble stand·ard noun a rule or principle that is unfairly applied in different ways to different people or groups. Next you'll be saying that people of different races deserve different schools because they are "opposing standards." "They're different guys, separate but equal!"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/15 05:21 AM
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It's painting them in an honest light. I think that's a matter of opinion. I don't see any evidence of it. Here's an interesting documentary. I've seen it. I think there's a mix of the two, and I don't think that most of the writing about gender essentialism is trying to deny that. Those Norwegians are, sure. Gender essentialism is talking about the difference between the two, in hopes of helping people who fall outside the culturally enforced gender stereotypes. "Women are bad at math" is an es…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/15 03:50 PM
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Lovisa Stannow is a very small cog of the entire thing that was about rape victims in prison. Most organizations pushing for laws about it were actually religious organizations. So you're criticizing feminist involvement in a men's issue because they weren't the only ones caring about it? Excuse me, but I don't think that proves that feminists don't care about men's issues, and would rather laugh at it. Source. Do you see men there? Yes, the line right above that says: That definition excludes v…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/15 09:20 PM
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But it's not like we separate loyalty into a relationship box. The scope of TRP is a relationship box. So, if TRP is constantly touting how loyal men are and women aren't, it's painting women in a bad light. Probably should've said they've confused us, rather than convinced us, although they've definitely convinced some with all the gender is a social construct business. I think you're referring to gender essentialism. I think the core goal is to separate what's biological from what's cultural, …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/15 04:21 PM
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This is what is referred to as loss of identity by TRP. Everything those men say they covet sounds well in theory, but becomes miserable to be in reality. Men cannot behave like women and be happy. No one is saying they have to "behave like women" it's saying they shouldn't feel compelled outside their scope of comfort to be hypermasculine. Stuff like "man up" or "grow some balls" to dismiss men's issues is damaging, whether masculinity is involved or not. RBG did that during her career as a law…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/15 04:02 PM
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But loyalty is not necessarily a virtue. If you're loyal to a good cause, great, but if you're loyal to a bad cause, not so great. In the scope of relationships and sex, I think loyalty is universally considered a virtue. The trouble with the feminist movement is they've convinced us that these biological differences don't exist and that it's all cultural. Honestly curious question, how has the feminist movement done that? As men we generally take pride in our loyalty, but we're massively shamed…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/15 04:17 AM
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Who was telling you what was toxic about masculinity? It looked like a bunch of men and boys of different ages, backgrounds and colors saying they negatively affected by what they thought society expected of them. How does being a judge exclude you from being a feminist or championing feminist causes? Why do you think feminists like her so much, because they totally disagree with her views? "People ask me sometimes, when — when do you think it will it be enough? When will there be enough women o…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/15 02:06 AM
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I have never seen feminism care about male issues unless cornered. They are more likely to laugh at them. Feminist organizations pushed for the Family Medical and Leave Act which is why paternity leave exists in the US. (Previous laws like Pregnancy Discrimination Act didn't address fathers.) Ruth Bader Ginsberg, feminist icon, has been responsible for evening the playing field for men with rulings that struck down tax breaks that discriminated against single men and making sure that the drinkin…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/15 10:51 PM
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If the average height for women is actually 5'4" then the self-reported ideal height preference from the study is almost spot on. On average women preferred men 5.3" taller, while men preferred women to be 4.7" shorter. If average disparity is 5" then it's right between. Hypergamy denied?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/15 07:21 PM
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Could be easier if you just linked where you found the study w/o the paywall, but I got it based on quotes from here. From the study: On average, women preferred a larger partner height difference(13.45±5.61cm) than men (12.11±7.44cm). When you ask people directly about their preferences it seems to be a much smaller difference between men and women. (For reference, that's 5.3" for women and 4.7" for men.) Furthermore, as women get taller and men get shorter they get less picky. In the study cap…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 11:55 PM
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Sorry, to clarify. I don't think the study shows powerful female hypergamous preferences. I think that it shows height preferences. The degree of that is what I was asking about. If you want to prove to me that preferring men taller than them shows powerful female hypergamy, I expect more than just "height preferences exist."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 09:06 PM
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You didn't read my comment. I'm not saying the study is wrong, I was asking how they got their numbers. I don't think it shows hypergamy. I think it addresses height preferences, and that's it. The connection is conjecture.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 08:46 PM
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No, I was specifically looking for the methods on how they got that data and interpreted it. How did they select their test subjects? How did they measure satisfaction? Did they ask people for their ideal partner height? How many people qualified for "most satisfied," Was it one woman who was 5'4" who happened to reach the top data point on satisfaction about a 6'0" guy or was it a larger group?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 08:43 PM
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If you really want to bring study titles in here as evidence, you should read the actual studies. I don't think that an 8" difference is reflective of most couples and I think that the idea of "satisfaction" is open to interpretation. Being able to discuss the study is essential to the idea of an open debate between red and blue, which is why we are here. Just assuming you know what the study is talking about opens you up to some really shitty pseudo-science.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 08:31 PM
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"Nope, sorry" You didn't read it? Or "nope sorry" you don't agree with the legitimacy of my questions about the study?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 08:21 PM
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Just out of curiosity, did you read the height paper? It's behind a paywall, but I would love to know how they measured satisfaction. How large was the sample size for determining "most satisfaction at 21 cm?" It seems like that could be based on the height of the woman. Is a 6'4" woman going to be most satisfied with a 7'0" man? I think it is reasonable to wonder if the "most satisfaction" numbers could be related to below average height women snagging slightly above average height men (who are…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 08:10 PM
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I'm "done here" because I think leaving the house and interacting with people doesn't qualify as effort to be anything other than a member of society. Also please don't call me "fucking pathetic" that's just rude. I didn't derail this, you did by misinterpreting my original statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 07:14 PM
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not that I agree with the points he made...That's not what I'm saying. I didn't say that you personally agreed with his points. I was trying to say that people in the thread understood/agreed with his points. I think it would be ingenuous to say that no one in that thread agreed with him. The OP literally said that he was "spot on." Some of the things he said have a solid point. Wait, what? Doesn't this directly contradict what you just said? What does that exactly mean? I was referencing the Ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 07:09 PM
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So anyone leaving the house and seeing a woman qualifies as effort? Ooookay, I think we're done here.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 06:53 PM
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Being nice isn't a strategy, it's a personality trait. Pretending to be nice isn't a strategy any more than "try to impress your date" is a strategy. Going on dates or to a club does not qualify as "effort" unless you also think going to work or to a coffee shop is effort. These are really normal every day things. As for the paying, no reasonable person is saying that's required, you volunteering to do it to get laid is not nice and should not be considered a strategy unless you're taking out an…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 06:26 PM
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Surely, you've been here long enough to realize that "nice guys" are often criticized as "not nice." They think they are nice, and when they aren't perceived that way that's the problem. Wanting to bang your female friends and being bitchy to them when they bang someone else is decidedly not nice. Being angry that the woman in a club you talked to for a few minutes and bought a drink for didn't go home with you is not nice. Offering to pay for a woman's dinner and then expecting sex in return is…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 05:35 PM
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The men who come to TRP for guidance thought that. They come in and say "what am I doing wrong? All these assholes are getting girls, but I'm so nice?" TRP says "bro, lift, dress better, remember to not give a fuck." The result of TRP being (apparently) the first people to say it is that men are like "omg, it works so well!"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 04:55 PM
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I'm not saying people understand and agree with his bombing, but if you're understanding and agreeing with his motives for doing horrible things you are literally appreciating his worldview, not some song. He was writing those things as a persuasive argument for a revolution. The equivalent song for Ian Watkins would be if he wrote a song expounding on how pretty babies are, which people would find pretty fucking disturbing. TRPers were praising his logic, when it's clearly opinion. As a leftist…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 04:49 PM
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Translation "I'm all for gettign some guys to realize what they can change to best provide for women." No, translation: "I'm sick of men thinking that the pussy should fall into their lap without putting any effort into their appearance or confidence." As soon as you throw in this "supportive" nonesense we head right back down the road that created the need for TRP in the first place. Really? You're against men being supportive of other men? I was simply trying to clarify I wasn't a fan of needl…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 04:11 PM
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Are we not products of our upbringing and genetics? Shitty parenting, self-doubt, feeling overwhelmed or stalled in your transition to adulthood are not exclusive to sons of single mothers. In fact, they aren't even exclusive to single parents. Why is he blaming his mother for that? Why is he encouraging others to blame their mothers? Why does the blame matter? needlessly dehumanizing, but still, some truth to it. Please don't excuse this behavior, I liked you and now you're ruining it. Also, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 10:00 AM
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This argument is basically the same as the feminism one. Feminism isn't about what you read on tumblr, it incorporates men's issues on things like rape, child custody and unfortunate gender roles. It's not about oppressing men or establishing only the gender roles that are beneficial to women, as I so often hear in TRP/MRA/here. It doesn't stop a large amount of terpers from bashing the hell out of feminism; in the same way, I'm sure, you think TRP is bashed by BP because of actual misogynists t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 08:59 AM
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Above arithmetic you have to do more complicated things like write proof and showing your work, which opens the door to partial credit. I think this is the paper they were referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/15 12:23 AM
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So TRP men constantly bemoan the lack of LTR material available. If a woman was RP then theoretically she would not have experience with the CC, she would want a captain and she would understand her instincts/childish behavior as harmful to her. What on Earth do you have against that if you're RP?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/15 05:47 PM
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Both responses involved you saying a more PC version of "Sorry, not sorry." I feel like someone should call you on your shit from time to time to hopefully improve the quality of your participation. Whenever it's brought up you act like it doesn't exist and play the bullied victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/15 05:13 PM
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That would be like me saying "RPW are so stupid, they just can't listen to what's good for them. But, oh wait, I didn't mean you, just all the people who you share the only traits you've revealed about yourself. Why are you taking it so personally?" Kind of besides the point though, because you should have realized after multiple people called you on it that maybe you said something offensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/15 04:56 PM
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Don't RP men want women who buy into their model of relationship dynamics? Women who self-identify as RPW seem like they'd be a good bet, so why the hostility?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/15 04:47 PM
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You're always saying that you don't attack people in this sub. This is a perfect example of counter-productive personal attacks.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/15 04:34 PM
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What makes you think Islam isn't the new socially conservative movement for this "wave", other than you personally aren't Muslim?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/15 04:24 PM
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Snow White was a princess being kept away from the castle because the Queen was jealous of her. The Queen dies in the movie, so she could just return to the castle when she wakes up. Cinderella is an exception. But again, I told you that the people exhibiting the interest in the free ride of prince marrying are the bad guys of the film. Belle (in the film), again, wanted to leave the castle even when she was being waited on hand and foot.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/15 02:19 PM
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The women were almost entirely already princesses, the notable exceptions being Belle and Cinderella. In BatB, Belle is waited on hand and foot before she likes Beast and insists on leaving because family is more important. In Cinderella the women who are in it only for the status, wealth and easy life are blatantly the "bad guys" indicating that we're not supposed to find that acceptable. You're also completely missing what on Earth the men are supposedly bringing to the relationship with these…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/15 05:43 AM
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These are mostly examples of truly good women who were outliers in their own society. Cinderella avoids the vapid materialistic tendencies of her step-sisters who are demonized for trying to land a prince just so they can be queens. Instead she shares what little she has (bread crumbs, cheese, etc.) with animals and doesn't complain about being a servant in her own home. Does she want to go to the ball to meet the prince? Nope, she just wants to have a beautiful evening and happens to fall in lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 04:35 PM
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I'm not saying men didn't control most aspects of getting married in societies where letters of introduction were common. I'm also disagreeing that people always married their neighbor that they've known for their entire life. I was saying that letters of introduction weren't the standard reason people trusted strangers, because a lot of people were illiterate. I also really think you're putting a lot of stress on who people were related to when they were all just peasants. When you're in the lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 12:19 AM
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Do you have any evidence of this? Plenty of people lived in cities with populations large enough to not know everyone in your city or even neighborhood. There's always been a flow of people from the country to urbanized areas. Common people didn't care about lineages, because when you're a poor tradesman your father was probably a poor tradesman and who the hell cares. People also did have reasons to travel; merchants, soldiers and people fleeing oppression/war in other areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 12:00 AM
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No, that's why I'm saying the idea that letters of introduction were in common practice wasn't really evidence of trusting strangers being novel.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/15 11:52 PM
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How did this work when large groups of people were illiterate? It was an pre-industrial practice at a time when 30-40% of people in England signed marriage certificates with a mark because they couldn't even spell their name.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/15 10:14 PM
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Prehistoric humans probably didn't have suitors who were vetted by families. Nor is "mating" with total strangers without social consequences today. You're also determining the social norms of past societies by what we know about the marriage constraints of the aristocracy. This is kind of besides the point though, because rape isn't actually about what you're wearing or how much you're drinking. There are plenty of cases where neither of those were involved, that's why blaming the victim is so …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/15 05:49 PM
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What about the people that are raped by family members? Saying "humans never mated like this before" is just ignorant. We had a lot of time and different societies without the courting practices you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/15 03:16 PM
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So you're advocating that all women should be afraid of all men? Edit: Sorry, maybe a better question...What would you say to male rape victims? Were they dressed too slutty? Were they acting unsafely drinking with friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/15 02:49 PM
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Aren't you just victim blaming, though? You're basically saying that women's price for having dates without chaperones is that they will occasionally be raped. I guarantee women don't even really have this "choice" any more. What kind of sane adult would go on dates with a male relative in tow?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/15 02:47 PM
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Without a husband and kids do women need very little?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/15 04:42 AM
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I'm not arguing that men don't have a choice, everyone does. I'm saying advocating that all men just stop going to college is a terrible idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/15 04:25 AM
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Comfort? Independence? Getting away from poverty? Having expensive hobbies? Getting jobs they want instead of just what they can afford to get the education for? Economic mobility is the ability to go from lower class to middle class, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/15 04:23 AM
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Really? I felt like I just explained that. Money is power. If men make significantly less money than women they can expect more discrimination, less power in politics and on a long enough timeline less economic mobility.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/15 01:57 AM
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College is a choice, and if it's keeping you away from college, more power to you. Don't try to sell this as a solution for all men. If you start telling men in a blanket statement that college is bad you will end up putting men in a position of economic disadvantage. How can you expect men to wield more power with less education and less money? It's exactly the hole feminism was trying to dig women out of and you're trying to ask men to jump into it willingly. If you're concerned with the colle…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/15 12:28 AM
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I don't think that's a gendered thing. There are plenty of women that are happy in less demanding jobs. Plenty of men have a passion for their job (or at least a large salary).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/15 09:06 PM
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In terms of earning potential a lot of the higher paying jobs require degrees like engineering. Generally you're giving yourself a salary cap of $100,000, and that's if you're in the top 10% and only in certain fields. But if you want women to have all the traditionally high paying jobs like lawyers, doctors and managers, whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/15 09:04 PM
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Won't that cause earning potential issues in the future? Why set up men to become second class citizens?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/15 02:09 PM
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I'll start this by saying I'm not trying to undermine your point, because as /u/questionsquestions99 said I think encouraging self-esteem is a great TRP feature and probably a good shield against depression. My experience dating an "alpha" was possibly the worst relationship in my life and caused me to be depressed. I will say he was not TRP, but he did have "alpha" qualities. He was highly competitive, good with women, he expected and, in some cases, demanded respect from me. Unfortunately this…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/15 02:07 PM
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So are you saying a scarcity mentality makes for better relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/15 01:41 PM
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I feel like these are just stereotypes. I certainly know more male dropouts personally, and the dropout rates for men are higher these days. Nothing is really stopping them from having relationships/sex and they can still have reasonable jobs. An OSU study showed that male dropouts don't face the same initial wage penalties that female dropouts do (earning on average $6,500/yr more).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/15 04:36 AM
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I'm pretty sure he was yelled at for saying he wasn't privileged, not for having negative experiences with feminist literature. I'm pretty sure most feminists have negative experiences with Andrea Dworkin, it's understandable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/15 02:59 PM
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It's because the writing is crap. All wars are boyish. People point to Margaret Thatcher, Indira Gandhi and Golda Meir as evidence that women, too, can be warlike. But these women were perched atop all-male hierarchies confronting other hypermasculine political pyramids, and they were masculinized as they fought their way to the top. This is no true Scotsman. There is every reason to think that a future national hierarchy staffed and led by women who no longer have to imitate men, dealing with o…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/15 02:02 AM
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In 2010, and yes, I just read that (you may notice that women still have higher totals). I'm not trying to argue with you about rape statistics. Rape is bad, men get raped and don't get treated seriously and it's appalling, they should be given equal treatment/help/rights. I'm not trying to tell you that men are raped less because that's a very controversial subject and it really depends on how you define rape, how you account for unreported rape, etc. What I am trying to argue with you about ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 05:34 AM
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I don't know what paper you're referring to specifically. The paper I linked is from the CDC, not some feminist organization, and it's the summary of the NISVS. The NISVS full report page 34 is two pie charts about the ages of stalking victims. However, on page 18 and 19 you'll find tables 2.1 and 2.2 showing that lifetime and in the last year women were victimized more than men and no specific data pedophilia. So where was your evidence that more women are pedophiles than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 03:28 AM
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NO they didn't and you obviously didn't read your link Sorry, corrected link here, they looked very similar. the rate of rape for women is 1.6% rate of rape for men is .13% the rate of made to penetrate for men is 1.71% the rate of made to penetrate for women is NA I searched for this but I can't find it anywhere on their site (through google or their own search function). It goes directly against their fact sheet data. believe it Telling me that sexually inexperienced boys have at some point fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 02:39 AM
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I see no reason why that wouldn't apply else where at similar rates. Because a lot of violence happens outside relationships and the data supports it being mostly male on male violence (see previous post). More like women are reporting more These are based on self-reports, which as I said are unreliable, but you still haven't shown me anything that shows women cheating at higher rates. Just because you think it's true doesn't mean it is. Look at the NISVS, made to penetrate occurred at a slight …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 01:47 AM
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The sex she gets may not be to her standards but she can easily get sex Why are women expected to break their standards for sex if you won't?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/15 08:20 PM
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I think that's a bit strong. I don't think anyone is saying "repulsive." I think attractiveness is based on personality in addition to looks. There are very, very few men I would consider sleeping with without knowing them first. On the other hand, there are some super physically attractive men that have repulsive personalities. I would pose the reverse question to you, why do you think so many men aren't very selective/would sleep with a random woman off the street? Wouldn't you question their …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/15 08:08 PM
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I'm not saying that there isn't resentment, that was my original point. The resentment is the reason more women don't talk about it publicly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/15 07:52 PM
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Women's standards, and how hard women have to work for sex are two different things No, they aren't and that's my point. You want to fuck your 80%, and let's say that women normally want to fuck 20%. Not all women simply have to declare their willingness to have sex to get their 20%, in the same way you can't get your 80% just by asking for it. Not every man a woman is attracted to is going to find her attractive. Women do complain about not getting sex, because there is a lack (temporary or oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/15 07:45 PM
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I'm saying it's only easier if they lower their standards. It's not like women are sitting around with a bunch of options they are interested in and not fucking for no reason at all. Just because women are more selective doesn't mean they are wrong for being selective. Why would you have sex with someone you don't want to have sex with?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/15 07:02 PM
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Why do you think it's ok to tell a woman to lower her standards if you won't lower yours? Just because somebody would fuck the 20% you wouldn't, doesn't that mean you're just that woman's 20%? Somebody will fuck you, but she doesn't want it to be her.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/15 06:46 PM
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What about the other 20%? They are likely the ones that are complaining about getting laid. Won't you lower your standards for them, you'd totally get laid!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/15 06:33 PM
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Not really a lot modern research is showing that women are just as violent but get reported less/ aren't seen as a threat. Care to share any of this reasearch with us? I found research that shows that both are underreported. Men and women cheat in equal numbers While women are catching up to men, I'm unaware of any study that proclaims that the numbers are "equal" the closest I found was 23% (men) vs. 19% (women). This question is hard to answer because of self-reporting and sampling problems. e…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/15 06:25 PM
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Because women who say something get condescended to that it's "soooo easy for them, they just have to lower their standards."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/15 05:09 PM
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Aren't the "articles" you're referring to trying to instruct women on how to please their man in bed? Isn't that desirable for most men?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/15 05:03 PM
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That quote is not in that paper, and it appears they didn't even look at sexual preferences in this paper.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 04:55 PM
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Wait, but why? edit: Seriously? Downvoted for asking a legit question? You aren't even supposed to downvote in this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 04:32 PM
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Or because FTM surgeries give a much less realistic result than MTF. With FTM you can accomplish similar things with hormone replacement and a strap on.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 04:14 PM
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Let me guess, you're one of those people who think rape victims were "asking for it" if they were wearing a skirt? I guarantee the women wearing a comfy t-shirt and jeans would be stared at more than a girl in a skimpy dress. Dressing appropriately for a club != desiring sexual attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 06:19 AM
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Not saying all women go out to fend off men, just challenging your idea that most women welcome it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 02:55 AM
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That's why women go to gay clubs and in groups, to avoid dealing with dudes trying to pick them up.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 02:13 AM
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I'm questioning your assertion that most women go to be sexually desired.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 01:57 AM
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Yeah, because god forbid someone of either sex want to go dancing/drinking with friends instead of hooking up with someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 01:13 AM
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Are you having some trouble parsing just what sort of forum that is? No, seems pretty straight forward. I couldn't fathom why you would post it here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 10:49 PM
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Are you trying to destroy your credibility by posting quotes from the anecdotes of a clearly biased adjunct professor who uses charming terms like "faggot?" I don't know what you're trying to accomplish.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 10:04 PM
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I feel like you think women have a lot more power than they actually do. They are not the Illuminati, there's no grand conspiracy to subjugate men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 02:10 AM
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And yet women, and feminists, will still continue to judge and value men based on their attractiveness. Even going a few steps further with things like height, income and traits of masculinity(which would be sexism if it was the other way around). I think you're talking about SMV, which is the opposite of what I'm talking about. You're allowed to make personal attractiveness judgements, some people may not agree with them, but it's your decision to date/sleep with people based on your preference…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 11:06 PM
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Then you don't mind men making value judgements based on their attractiveness. The whole point of this post was that feminism is not a dating or sexual strategy. When I initially responded to you it was to tell you that it's not about sexual attraction. When women say "don't judge fat women" or "don't judge promiscuous women" they are not saying "you have to find fat/promiscuous women attractive." What they are saying is that women are not devalued by their lack of sexual appeal, because their w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 10:13 PM
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Their sexual value to me is determined by me. I literally couldn't care less what is sexually appealing to you and I'm not trying to change it. Feminism cares about you treating women like people not as if their sole purpose is to be sexually appealing. Women want equal rights and treatment (regardless of appearance, race and sexual orientation), not opportunities to date literally every man they find appealing. Men are overwhelmingly the recipients of physical violence by other men. This doesn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 08:22 PM
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I think you're missing the point. What feminism is actually trying to say: 1) and 2) Women's value isn't dependent on their attractiveness to you, stop making them feel like that is the case by attacking their personhood based on their looks/sexuality. 3) Can't really speak to feminism on this one. The threat of physical violence by men is real (but often overblown), I think this would stop being a problem if rape/assault wasn't a thing. When women make men uncomfortable by being interested and …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 07:04 PM
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Wouldn't you be excluded by RP men then, since they are saying to marry young?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 01:21 AM
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Did you say no sexual interest expressed for just you or for both parties? It's possible they were interested in you and you said things that made you less attractive. A "friend" only sticking around to bang you isn't really a friend and it's not really the same thing as saying "female friends aren't empathic."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 08:20 PM
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Who says that women who are into fashion and makeup can't also be into nerdy shit? Yeah, it's a time investment, but a modest investment in a variety of things makes people multifaceted. Your penis can like the same girls your brain and soul likes, it's just not all that common. I don't see why you would want to stay long term with someone who doesn't do both.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 05:19 PM
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Considering he served 19 months when he could have served 21 years, I don't think he got extra time. I couldn't find sentencing statistics for that time period though. The parents were calling for 13 years for each victim killed.
/r/PussyPass24/09/14 02:19 PM
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What he was actually convicted of was selling a handgun to a minor, which was illegal. The guns that Robyn sold were legal to be possessed by minors.
/r/PussyPass23/09/14 01:59 PM
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There are different laws for handguns. What Mark Manes was convicted of (sell a handgun to minors) was illegal and could have gotten up to 18 years. It was just a matter of what they could make stick; what Robyn Anderson did was regrettable, but not illegal.
/r/PussyPass23/09/14 01:58 PM
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That's probably why the motion was dismissed.
/r/PussyPass11/06/14 10:38 AM
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It's not a defense. It's part of proving that she was in a position of authority that she was using to pressure a teen into sex. If he was the aggressor of the relationship it shows that there was consent. (Not saying it's not wrong, just that it's not felony forcible sodomy that she was accused of.)
/r/PussyPass08/06/14 07:11 PM
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It was precisely because they had to go to war that they weren't allowed to vote, according to the article.
/r/MensRights25/03/14 12:15 AM
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They weren't really "earning it." The ones not allowed to vote were being disenfranchised for being soldiers.
/r/MensRights25/03/14 12:14 AM
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I wasn't trying to say women don't make more purchases, but I don't think that all of that money is spent entirely without the input of men. Women buying for a household is different than women overwhelmingly controlling an economy. As a side note, that website doesn't appear to cite any actual sources for their statistics.
/r/MensRights20/03/14 12:07 AM
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The writing in this article really detracts from his point (or at least what I think his point is): Apparently "all men pay for other men's...and women's mistakes." Which mistakes? How are they paying? Feminists don't get together with tea and cookies to find something to get angry about, that's just ridiculous. Calling feminists fat is just out of nowhere is just rude and irrelevant. Just because women are being abused in other places doesn't mean they shouldn't have help. It's probably not goi…
/r/MensRights19/03/14 08:14 PM
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I'm sorry you're getting downvoted, your comment should be at the top. She made a lot of exaggerated claims and grouped people with entirely different political philosophies as if they were all the same "evil" entity. I start to lose respect for arguments when people use extreme subjective language like that.
/r/MensRights19/03/14 07:26 PM
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