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1	I think I finally understand get it. You people must literally get off talking to people as though they're below you. I can't think of any other reason you'd do it aside from the fact it's at the top of your bizarre hierarchy of desire, right next to schadenfreude and masturbation.	/r/MensRights	21/06/14 07:44 AM
0	I think I finally understand get it. I'm saying that men and women should have the same rights and the same responsibilities. In the context of the United States, there was a disparity in voting rights (favouring men) and a disparity in conscription responsibilities (favouring women). The disparity in rights was fixed by the feminist movement (or rather their predecessors), but the disparity in responsibilities was not. But it's contingent on an analysis that rights come from responsibilities. That's not an inevitable part of right…	/r/MensRights	19/06/14 08:15 PM
-1	I think I finally understand get it. Your concern is that women get the right to vote without also having to be conscripted into the armed forces? Pretty sure I got that.	/r/MensRights	19/06/14 07:53 PM
-2	I think I finally understand get it. I just don't have the energy tonight to keep fighting about abortion. That'll be a job for tomorrow. This is not very remote, is it? That's the current generation's parents or grandparents, depending on the age of the person now. And to my knowledge, American men still have to sign up for selective service or risk losing access to certain scholarships. (Correct me if I'm wrong; I'm Canadian, and this isn't the case here.) So you're saying that you don't have to sign up for conscription to get th…	/r/MensRights	19/06/14 06:41 PM
-11	I think I finally understand get it. Your argument is susceptible to infinite recursion. If you gave men the right to opt-out of child support, then you would be giving them rights without responsibilities. Equally, if you removed the ability of women to access abortion, then they would have no rights and significant responsibilities, whereas men can still opt out of direct child-rearing responsibilities in favour of just paying money. However, abortion isn't as simple as just "rights without responsibilities". Having an abortion i…	/r/MensRights	19/06/14 05:32 AM
-1	Ironically her occupation choice will make her more dependent on her future husband. [X-post /r/ImGoing2HellForThis] "Over-analysing everything to the point that people avoid me." So, /r/mr then? EDIT: Also, "future husband". What even.	/r/MensRights	18/09/13 04:41 PM
1	Man wants to get high with sister in law and have sex, reddit claims this is rape - xpost from /r/confession What I meant was that a reasonable person would have interpreted my condition as sober enough to give consent, and that I was in fact giving that consent. In which case, both limbs of the test are fulfilled. Nono, see, there is no reasonable person test in the law of rape. Assessing consent is done from the subjective view of the accused. Sure, you can see what a reasonable person would have known and then discuss whether or not the accused was the same as that reasonable person, but there is no…	/r/MensRights	05/04/13 02:14 PM
1	Man wants to get high with sister in law and have sex, reddit claims this is rape - xpost from /r/confession she would not have possessed mens rea It's funny, the mens rea of rape and the presence of consent are different (the latter is actually part of the actus reus of rape: sex without consent). Having thought about this instance more, I am quite sure that the OP could be successfully charged with attempted rape, given that he gave her drugs to turn a "no" into a "yes", thus at least believing that she might not be consenting. The fact that she was consenting, therefore, doesn't mean that he can't b…	/r/MensRights	05/04/13 08:21 AM
1	Man wants to get high with sister in law and have sex, reddit claims this is rape - xpost from /r/confession Point taken.	/r/MensRights	05/04/13 08:02 AM
2	Man wants to get high with sister in law and have sex, reddit claims this is rape - xpost from /r/confession So I haven't dusted off my law books on this subject for a while, but here's the low down on the law in Australia as I remember it. Now, MDMA is a serious drug and may well make it impossible for her to consent (referred to as "incapable of freely agreeing"). Is that beyond all reasonable doubt? Well, I don't know for sure, but good luck to you. I may look up a few cases to see how it's gone in the past, but I don't like your chances. In the instance that she isn't taken to be virtually sloshed …	/r/MensRights	04/04/13 05:29 PM
-2	UPDATE 2: Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared. The woman wasn't so much 'immature' as intensely mentally unstable. OP should have tried to have her get help, rather than just running away once she was no longer 'his problem'. At the very least, OP should have been concerned, as a good MRA, that she might have done the same thing to other men. Of course women can do wrong; it's just the r/MR approach that seeks to use that evidence for something totally aside from that. Either it's that feminism itself is illegitimate, because it supposedly c…	/r/MensRights	27/03/13 12:30 PM
-6	UPDATE 2: Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared. Of course. Because you know the best way to respond to immaturity is with further immaturity.	/r/MensRights	27/03/13 11:59 AM
-16	UPDATE 2: Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared. We got out and I told her I forgot something in the car, got in my car and sped off. Well that's mature.	/r/MensRights	27/03/13 05:37 AM
2	So question: What do you think is more prevalent: Men who rape women or women who lie about a rape that never happened? Often individual cases with no real attempt at any kind of quantitative analysis.	/r/MensRights	26/02/13 06:06 PM
2	Lottery winner dies agonizing death from cyanide poisoning, wife or daughter suspected I want you to point me to a single newspaper, media report or police statement saying they suspect the wife or daughter. Or is it just elementary? I mean, there's no way a guy who's just won a million dollars could potentially make a few enemies, right?	/r/MensRights	09/01/13 09:36 PM
2	Lottery winner dies agonizing death from cyanide poisoning, wife or daughter suspected So there is no evidence that this had anything to do with the wife or daughter. Well done guys!	/r/MensRights	09/01/13 01:10 PM
13	Decunstructing SlutWalks. He says two completely incongruous things: The First Thing You Need to Know: SlutWalk is a protest against something that doesn't exist. We're all supposed to be ANGRY! that society blames the victim for being raped. But then he says: When challenged on this detail, SlutWalkers will usually point out that in rape trials, the victim is sometimes humiliated, as the rapist's lawyer will try to slander the victim's reputation as a way of exculpating his client. Evidence law is very strict about what…	/r/MensRights	31/10/12 03:26 AM
-7	Gay sperm donor must pay out for daughters he barely knows You should know better than to say something like that, particularly in a place like this. What does that mean?	/r/MensRights	29/10/12 03:58 PM
1	The "War On Women." Discuss. Yes of course, if its a women's issue it just HAS to be promoted through hyperbolic, and overdramatic bullshit. It was your post that was depicting her stance as hyperbolic and overdramatic...	/r/MensRights	21/10/12 07:20 PM
1	The "War On Women." Discuss. I had a good chuckle at that one. Yes, that does show you how Reddit works; people see what they like, and they upvote it. People saw a completely ridiculous post and upvoted it.	/r/MensRights	21/10/12 06:38 PM
0	The "War On Women." Discuss. Oh my god, people upvote things before being aware of all the facts. It's almost like we're on Reddit or something. But that's my point. The OP made an extremely self-serving, misleading, fabricated post, and people lapped it up. It just shows what this subreddit wants and how it reacts; it instinctively upvotes without fact-checking because it sees what it wants to hear. Whether or not the content is true is irrelevant; the upvotes demonstrate what the community likes. And it likes thinking tha…	/r/MensRights	21/10/12 05:58 PM
-4	The "War On Women." Discuss. What makes you say this? Many of the posts I respond to talk about women's issues and how they intersect with men's issues as well. For example, if men are not seen as capable fathers then women have to be seen as mothers. Oh come on now, don't play that card. I've been on here long enough (and you only have to look around a bit) to see how much the posters here denigrate women's issues to, a least, a status far below that of men, and then vilify those people (i.e. feminists) who try to fight fo…	/r/MensRights	21/10/12 05:36 PM
-3	The "War On Women." Discuss. In the context of this forum, the argument is definitely that there are no women's issues. The hyperbole of calling anything a 'war' is grotesque (beyond a description of actual physical violence, so in the context of honour killings its probably accurate). Its just so misused I think its entered into normal English vernacular; the "war on Christmas", etc. But the majority of the comments here are generally rubbishing the idea that women have any cause for complaint. That's completely ridiculous…	/r/MensRights	21/10/12 03:54 PM
-4	The "War On Women." Discuss. What is wrong with you people? You are honestly saying that women should be happy with their lot just because they're not subject to honour killings? That's not only ridiculous, but by that logic, men shouldn't complain unless they are subject to honour killings. Since no group is, there's no injustice anywhere! Game over people! Frankly, I think anyone who is limited in the expression of their sexuality suffers greatly, and its a topic is brought up on this subreddit all the time (though admitt…	/r/MensRights	21/10/12 03:30 PM
0	Feministe: "Adrian Chen is fucking awesome. And I have very little sympathy for cries about 'privacy' from people who make it their primary hobby to violate the privacy of others." You can't show there are no negative consequences. Considering the number of batshit insane people (hi SRS), there is that possibility, and if he wants to remain private, that is his choice. You really need to recognise your hypocrisy here. You said this: Horseshit. Give me one proven example of that happening. I'll wait. Cool. If it isn't a problem, please explain to me why doxxing is forbidden here? Because is does have negative consequences. And not liking someone, is a shit reason to try to …	/r/MensRights	19/10/12 04:03 PM
1	As a woman, how can I respond to other females who tell me that I "just don't get it" when I disagree with their radical feminist stances? That is one way of looking at it. I was looking at it that men are disadvantaged by suffering the physical risk and women are disadvantaged by suffering the economic risk. That's a surprisingly Marxist analysis of workers. Its not at all true that all male dominated professions are rife with physical risk; most CEO positions, for example are filled by men, despite having absolutely no physical risk involved. The idea that women get some 'deal' by offsetting their physical wellbeing for economic …	/r/MensRights	19/10/12 03:34 AM
-1	As a woman, how can I respond to other females who tell me that I "just don't get it" when I disagree with their radical feminist stances? Great, that's a great success story for your sister. Unfortunately, that isn't a reality for a lot of promising young graduates who have exactly the same credentials as men. Some firms will hire women because they're overlooked by other firms, meaning that they get better candidates. Its not universal, unfortunately, and discrimination still exists.	/r/MensRights	19/10/12 03:20 AM
0	As a woman, how can I respond to other females who tell me that I "just don't get it" when I disagree with their radical feminist stances? Just like professions like nursing are a gigantic girls club? The point is, there aren't structural barriers to men entering those professions. Plus, if you Google around a bit, you'll see that men who do go into those professions often out-earn women.	/r/MensRights	18/10/12 07:50 PM
1	As a woman, how can I respond to other females who tell me that I "just don't get it" when I disagree with their radical feminist stances? How so? Describe the "true focus". One based on actual statistics, rather than just two stories you picked out of the media. And it's also a real issue for men. Or do you assert that men are incapable of being harassed by women? Er, not per ce, but could you show me the statistical data? What tangible problems face women in North America that feminism is seeking reform to? How do you propose to go about reforming them? Go over to r/creepshots and you might find a few. Prove it. Women outnumber m…	/r/MensRights	18/10/12 07:35 PM
1	As a woman, how can I respond to other females who tell me that I "just don't get it" when I disagree with their radical feminist stances? there is no gender binary in the way most MRAs think The gender binary, at least in my last post, referred to how the benefits to one gender are mutually exclusive to those of the other. Policies that advantage women must disadvantage men, and where men are disadvantaged, women must be advantaged. Underrepresentation of women in certain jobs is mirrored by overrepresentation of men in workplace fatalities for example. Ah, you see, this is a prime example of what I said above. Its presumed that b…	/r/MensRights	18/10/12 07:24 PM
1	Feministe: "Adrian Chen is fucking awesome. And I have very little sympathy for cries about 'privacy' from people who make it their primary hobby to violate the privacy of others." Right. But why does privacy matter if there are no negative consequences from the release of that information?	/r/MensRights	18/10/12 07:06 PM
1	Feministe: "Adrian Chen is fucking awesome. And I have very little sympathy for cries about 'privacy' from people who make it their primary hobby to violate the privacy of others." Okay, answer me this then: If it is true that there has never been any bad repercussions as a result of doxxing, then why do you oppose the publishing of VC's personal information?	/r/MensRights	18/10/12 06:51 PM
1	As a woman, how can I respond to other females who tell me that I "just don't get it" when I disagree with their radical feminist stances? Are you of the opinion then that there are no significant ways that men are disadvantaged when compared to women? Not really, and certainly not in the way you mean. There are ways in which men are disadvantaged, and they may be certainly significant, but there is no gender binary in the way most MRAs think; its not that some women are advantaged when some men are disadvantaged. The reality is that disadvantage is far more mutual, and the causes are the same.	/r/MensRights	18/10/12 06:24 PM
-1	As a woman, how can I respond to other females who tell me that I "just don't get it" when I disagree with their radical feminist stances? Because its a gigantic boys club and not a 'female' profession. There is a huge amount of evidence to support how they, and other minorities like gays, are segregated by the majority of the profession, find it difficult to get jobs and promotions, etc.	/r/MensRights	18/10/12 06:14 PM
1	Feministe: "Adrian Chen is fucking awesome. And I have very little sympathy for cries about 'privacy' from people who make it their primary hobby to violate the privacy of others." And numerous online feminists call for culling male population to 10%. And numerous online feminists think it is reasonable for all men to cross to the opposite side of the street after dark if they are going to pass a woman going the other way. What numerous online feminists claim in regards to their victim status is at best questionable. Well if you read it online it must be true, amirite? If that were all that could be said about feminists there would not be an MRM. More like, if MRAs stopped…	/r/MensRights	18/10/12 06:04 PM
0	As a woman, how can I respond to other females who tell me that I "just don't get it" when I disagree with their radical feminist stances? Nevertheless , here in the West , it's absurd to claim that women are in any way oppressed If you honestly believe that, you've gone way too far down the rabbit hole. But I'm still reeling from this gem to correct you beyond just blinking at you a few times: Frankly , if you get your history from anywhere BUT a feminist source , it's highly debatable whether women were ever oppressed vis-a-vis men . You what? Oh that's okay. I'm sure you could have enjoyed your happy life in the 1950s where you …	/r/MensRights	18/10/12 05:33 PM
0	Feministe: "Adrian Chen is fucking awesome. And I have very little sympathy for cries about 'privacy' from people who make it their primary hobby to violate the privacy of others." Horseshit. Give me one proven example of that happening. I'll wait. Where have you been? There are pretty frequent links to where this happens, and where MRAs celebrate it happening. The best example was probably when this one woman sent in a letter to the school about men being involved in the care of her daughter. MRAs went ballistic, found her phone number, started calling her and harassing her, eventually she had to come out and apologise. I can't find the link, but it happened quite recentl…	/r/MensRights	18/10/12 05:20 PM
-2	As a woman, how can I respond to other females who tell me that I "just don't get it" when I disagree with their radical feminist stances? Edit: You're currently engaging in the same tactic that I was complaining about in the OP. You do realize that someone can understand your point and still disagree with it, right? Yes, but the two examples you posited were that of 'elevatorgate' and some inchoate example of sexual harassment. Forgive me if that doesn't seem like someone who's got a firm grip on the literature. Cherry picking individual, fringe examples of what are real issues betray the true focus of the feminist movement. Sexua…	/r/MensRights	18/10/12 02:37 PM
-11	As a woman, how can I respond to other females who tell me that I "just don't get it" when I disagree with their radical feminist stances? It would help to actually understand feminism, rather than just rebut what you think is feminism. That goes for this entire subreddit but, you know, such is life. It would also help if you looked at things in a macro sense, rather than just picking specific, highly sensationalised examples like 'elevatorgate'. But that again goes for this subreddit too. I'm not saying that your friend isn't also misguided about feminism, but it hardly seems so.	/r/MensRights	18/10/12 01:25 PM
0	Feministe: "Adrian Chen is fucking awesome. And I have very little sympathy for cries about 'privacy' from people who make it their primary hobby to violate the privacy of others." Personally I don't condone that type of subreddit. However, if what was being done there was indeed illegal, there are legal channels one can use. Such as calling federal internet crimes division of the FBI. What was done does not pursue legal prosecution, but rather illegal persecution and possible vigilantism. That has never been nor will it ever be condoned by a civilized society. Well, r/MR consistently advocates for Register-Her, so you better leave this one then! Everything you said applie…	/r/MensRights	18/10/12 01:11 PM
1	Feministe: "Adrian Chen is fucking awesome. And I have very little sympathy for cries about 'privacy' from people who make it their primary hobby to violate the privacy of others." But the difference is that VC was never convicted of a crime. Well, actually, a lot of the people on register her haven't been convicted of crimes either. Take this one for example; she's just listed as a 'bigot'. And more importantly, VC has actually committed a crime. He committed incest, to which he publicly admitted in his AMA, and both posted and actively encouraged the distribution of sexualised images of children (which is a crime, as well as the den of child pornography that was there to…	/r/MensRights	18/10/12 04:51 AM
0	Feministe: "Adrian Chen is fucking awesome. And I have very little sympathy for cries about 'privacy' from people who make it their primary hobby to violate the privacy of others." Gawker didn't post his address either.	/r/MensRights	17/10/12 05:28 PM
-3	Thought you would have a giggle (Xpost r/imgoingtohell Women want to be part of selective service, and I want them to be there as well. Society dictates who is drafted, and women are part of that society as well- blaming men for the male only draft is lopsided. Could you please point me to the female representatives of congress and female leaders in the military who oppose women being on the front lines?	/r/MensRights	17/10/12 04:59 PM
0	Feministe: "Adrian Chen is fucking awesome. And I have very little sympathy for cries about 'privacy' from people who make it their primary hobby to violate the privacy of others." Could someone please explain to me why its okay to put women on "register her", but not okay to do what Gawker did? Could someone please explain to me why its okay to put a photo of a woman's body, crotch or other private area online to masturbate to, but not okay to do what Gawker did? Could someone please explain to me why its okay to track down submitters to r/gonewild, find out where they live and report them to their friends and family, but not okay to do what Gawker did? Could someone plea…	/r/MensRights	17/10/12 04:25 PM
-9	Thought you would have a giggle (Xpost r/imgoingtohell Oh for the love of God. Okay, for the 100 millionth time, the draft is bad. The draft, however, is a symptom of a problem completely unrelated to men's rights. The problem here is that women are not allowed to serve in the military. Women are not allowed to serve in the military, because MEN do not allow them to. Please inform those men that they should change that, because not only do most men want it, but so do women.	/r/MensRights	17/10/12 04:13 PM
-9	Girl Writes What's letter to a young man: privilege-blindness I literally laughed so hard I cried at this article. I almost had to be hospitalised with the giggles. Its just...perfect. It perfectly sums up exactly what is wrong with the Mens Rights movement, and GWW especially. Let's read, shall we? The first idea that GWW has is this, pseudo-Marxist idea here: They call traditional male obligations “rights” (i.e: the right to earn income, the right to be self-sufficient, which was actually an obligation men complied with or else–and still is) or “patriarc…	/r/MensRights	17/10/12 04:03 PM
-16	Thought you would have a giggle (Xpost r/imgoingtohell You people are literally completely ridiculous. Women want to be able to server in the military, it is the current MALE military leaders and congressmen who prevent it. kthxbye Also, there hasn't been conscription since Vietnam.	/r/MensRights	17/10/12 03:36 PM
2	Women are not as violent as men? "Two female room-mates 'tied up teenager and cut him 300 times during two-day satanic sex torture marathon'" There has never, ever been anyone who has said that some women do not have the capacity for violence, even as much violence as some men. The overwhelming truth of crime statistics, however, is that men commit the most violence, and they most often commit it against other men. There are obviously exceptions, but this story serves absolutely no purpose in discussing anything to do with those, the sociological causes behind it, or ways to fix it.	/r/MensRights	17/10/12 04:42 AM
1	Drunk women can consent to sex. Therefore both parties have lost the capacity both to consent and to determine if the other is incapable of giving consent. Yes, this is true, which is why the 'double drunk' scenario never happens in prosecuted rapes. If both parties are incapable of consenting, then neither party is guilty of any offence. If one party is capable of consenting, and the other isn't, then its rape. EDIT: And I'm not talking about what it should be; this is literally the law.	/r/MensRights	16/10/12 06:16 AM
4	Drunk women can consent to sex. had reason to know that Also contradictory to what you said. But that gets back to the original question of why is sexual consent different than every other contract? Its not. Rape law says that you had to be aware (or to an extent should have been aware) that someone wasn't consenting. So if you see them drink a bottle of vodka before you wanted to have sex with them? Were they slurring their speech and falling over? Yep. Rape. So its not different, MRAs are actually so delusioned that they thi…	/r/MensRights	15/10/12 11:54 PM
11	Drunk women can consent to sex. Intoxication can only be used to void a contract if it's shown that the counterparty intentionally got you drunk because you would not have agreed to the contract otherwise. Sorry, that's a lie. Read Blomley v Ryan, which outlines that contracts can be void for intoxication, regardless of who initiated it.	/r/MensRights	15/10/12 02:37 PM
1	Vigilante hailed as hero for killing man who had sex as a high school student with another high school student He was sentenced to life imprisonment. Sorry, but I don't think there could possibly be a stronger statement by the judiciary, the police or society that this behaviour is unacceptable. Also, FYI, as for the other guy he killed: Ray pleaded guilty in 2002 to raping a 7-year-old and a 4-year-old, the Gazette said.	/r/MensRights	21/09/12 04:34 PM
1	So, I was talking to a friend about to turn 18, when this exchange happened. Re: Vietnam - The whole point is that they felt that there was some threat posed by Communist interests, and that invading Vietnam would emasculate those interests. Yeah. You're right on this. My only disagreement is that citizenship is not a binding contract, and you should be free (and I think ARE free) to cancel it at will, if you don't agree with their policies. It's more of a mutual contract, than a "we're your government and we own you" type contract. Yes, and you do have the ability to le…	/r/MensRights	02/09/12 01:15 AM
1	So, I was talking to a friend about to turn 18, when this exchange happened. Don't really disagree with you on anything there. Except: The draft has only been utilized in an aggressive manner in the countries that I am eligable for armed forces. Vietnam? That was because of a prevailing impetus at the time to prevent the spread of Communism, which most people did believe constituted a threat to the country. I don't think you could claim the US had any strategic interest in taking over North Vietnam. I'm not much of a nationalist at all, and feel absolutely no allegiance …	/r/MensRights	01/09/12 12:49 PM
1	So, I was talking to a friend about to turn 18, when this exchange happened. I'm just saying there's some logic behind it, whether outdated or not. You can't claim "there's some logic behind this idea" and they say "oh, but its outdated". Logic confers an truth to an idea, and truth isn't relative. You can't say "women's only function is to create babies" and then say "well, I don't hold that view any more because its socially unpalatable". Its either true, or false. I'd love to be eligable to dodge a draft in any way I could. But why? In the instance of an aggressive wa…	/r/MensRights	01/09/12 05:11 AM
1	So, I was talking to a friend about to turn 18, when this exchange happened. But, it definately makes sense why women aren't required in the draft. In terms of reproduction, the more women, the higher the population growth will be. Technically you could have 1 million women and just one living guy, and have at least 1 million new offspring in 9 months. So, conscription is bad, but women being forced baby machines is okay? To say MOST want to be signed up I think is a bit of an exaggeration. Many..but not most. Yes, I said that the numbers would be broadly equal. The same…	/r/MensRights	01/09/12 02:36 AM
0	So, I was talking to a friend about to turn 18, when this exchange happened. I'd expect them to try and campaign against something they dislike. Is that too much to ask? Well, yes. Its like asking a prostate awareness group to campaign against Kony. Firstly, I have asked myself why. The patriarchy doesn't exist. Secondly, that's the axial fallacy. Most people at the top - men and women - don't care about those at the bottom. Right, so, I'll ask again; who is stopping women from fighting on the front lines? Is it feminist organisations or is it conservative men? It's a sh…	/r/MensRights	01/09/12 02:26 AM
3	So, I was talking to a friend about to turn 18, when this exchange happened. However, organizations like NOW have done nothing to fight the draft, leaving everything they believe about it in a single sentence. Not fighting against it, mind you. Just saying they will. NOW has shown itself to not prioritize this at all. Yes, because the draft is only a gendered issue because women are prevented from serving on the front lines entirely. Why would NOW, a feminist organisation, campaign against a policy which, by definition, can't affect them? Also, as for that whole patriarc…	/r/MensRights	31/08/12 01:54 PM
1	So, I was talking to a friend about to turn 18, when this exchange happened. I never said that only male policy-makers prevent equal rights. I was simply stating that it isn't just female activists and politicians who promote ideas that create gender inequality. I don't think there are any female activists and politicians who promote ideas that create gender inequality, but I suppose that I am in the minority of that opinion on this subreddit.	/r/MensRights	31/08/12 01:43 PM
2	So, I was talking to a friend about to turn 18, when this exchange happened. Of course. But if an activist group is judged by its outward appearance, then obviously it will be judged by whoever is the most vocal. Its fine to support divergence of opinions, so long as you actually display it, and don't just feed into that same Apex Fallacy.	/r/MensRights	31/08/12 01:20 PM
-1	So, I was talking to a friend about to turn 18, when this exchange happened. Three things: Firstly, I think that view would be in opposition the basis of the OP's submission. You could probably ask him, but I'm willing to bet that he, and many other MRAs, believe that the Men's Rights Movement is men vs. women, or at least men vs. feminists/white knights. Secondly, if you accept that there are plenty of male policy-makers that are preventing equal rights for both genders, then you accept that there is a male dominated culture that espouses particular norms and ideas that…	/r/MensRights	31/08/12 12:19 PM
1	So, I was talking to a friend about to turn 18, when this exchange happened. How many women do you know that want to be forced to join the army and kill other people or be killed? Firstly, I think the chances of a draft occurring for this generation are very slim. Secondly, I think there are lots of women who want to actually contribute to the defence of the nation; why do you believe women wouldn't want that, where men often enlist voluntarily? I'd say there are broadly similar numbers of men and women who don't want to serve in the armed forces, and hence don't want to…	/r/MensRights	31/08/12 12:01 PM
3	So, I was talking to a friend about to turn 18, when this exchange happened. Okay, then who is?	/r/MensRights	31/08/12 11:49 AM
2	So, I was talking to a friend about to turn 18, when this exchange happened. Not this half way bullshit where conservatives say it's necessary but let's leave out half the population because they have a vagina. Yes, exactly. By far the majority of women, feminist and, I would say, normal people would say that women should be able to serve on the front lines of combat, and hence should be forced (or encouraged) to enlist in the same draft as men. So this isn't a women's issue, its a male issue; men are the one opposing this change, not women.	/r/MensRights	31/08/12 08:11 AM
36	So, I was talking to a friend about to turn 18, when this exchange happened. Whatever guys, most feminist organisations and women want to be able to serve in the military, and consequently be signed up for the draft. Its the (predominantly male) politicians that prevent the rules from being changed, and perpetuate the myth that women are helpless and need a male protector. Also, surely you would be in favour of abolishing the draft altogether, rather than just extending it to women? in which case, why is it an issue about women?	/r/MensRights	31/08/12 05:20 AM
1	Security cameras to be installed in taxi cabs in Londonderry to protect drivers from false allegations of rape. Perhaps a better solution is to require proof and conviction before ruining the alleged's life Because that's a really accurate description of the legal system, right?	/r/MensRights	31/08/12 12:58 AM
1	Security cameras to be installed in taxi cabs in Londonderry to protect drivers from false allegations of rape. In Derry last December a taxi driver was accused of rape but it was not until March this year that all charges against him were dropped. Yeah that's probably why.	/r/MensRights	31/08/12 12:48 AM
2	Women can destroy your property, its legal. Okay, so, here's a thought: Why did you call the police? The police have no power to return your things or compensate you for damage, so the only reason you should've called them is if you wanted her to be removed from your house (which, from the facts above, doesn't seem to be in issue). Photograph everything (see if you can get any 'before' shots), find the receipts to prove ownership and then just go straight to your insurance company. Don't have any? Fine, go to your nearest small claims tri…	/r/MensRights	26/08/12 07:22 AM
-6	If Assange is guilty of rape because a condom broke, should women who lie about contraception also be guilty of rape? In the desperate hope that somehow, maybe, Men's Rights will actually become a subreddit that discusses the realistic issues that affect men, their causes and the ways to solve them, rather than descending into a bottomless echo-chamber of hyperbole and misinformation. And its not really that I care that much about changing your minds; I've been told to fuck off many times. Its that for however long you characterise male voices, you halt the cause of reform.	/r/MensRights	20/08/12 02:54 PM
-7	If Assange is guilty of rape because a condom broke, should women who lie about contraception also be guilty of rape? Okay, two things. First, I said that advocating trial by media is conforming to the very thing MRAs (and I) think is bad. So you're legitimising a form of judgement and shaming that is always done without relevant facts and always leads to bad conclusions. But aside from that, no, I didn't. But that doesn't mean I haven't been keeping up with the news, and didn't mean that I read it now, and was unsurprised when it reads exactly the same as the rest of the tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theoris…	/r/MensRights	20/08/12 02:43 PM
-17	If Assange is guilty of rape because a condom broke, should women who lie about contraception also be guilty of rape? Because it totally makes more sense that Sweden wants to extradite him to their country, so that the USA can then extradite him from there. Which they would do because Sweden is a much better ally to the USA than the UK. What? Also, are you seriously suggesting that you would condone a trial by media, where that has always, according to usual MRA logic, ended in men being demonised and judged as 'guilty until proven innocent'? Maybe leave the policing to the police.	/r/MensRights	20/08/12 02:19 PM
1	If both the male and female are drunk, and they have sex, which one is the rapist? But it applies in your country too...	/r/MensRights	15/08/12 03:41 AM
1	If both the male and female are drunk, and they have sex, which one is the rapist? But that's irrelevant in rape definitions. If that wasn't true then anyone drunk enough could never be convicted of rape even if their victim was sober. I could link you to the statute if you like, but there's a whole section in our Crimes Act (and its duplicated in a number of jurisdictions) that says that the jury takes account of the accused's state of mind, what the accused knew and how they knew it. And it is true that people who are too drunk can't be convicted for crimes, so long as there…	/r/MensRights	15/08/12 03:23 AM
3	If both the male and female are drunk, and they have sex, which one is the rapist? So, here's some long-winded legal explanation. If you'd like the shortened version, skip to the next bolded heading There are, according to the law, a variety of levels of 'drunk', basically varying from 'not at all' to 'somewhat' to 'being incapable of freely agreeing' and finally to 'virtually unconscious' (this is referred to as a 'non est factum' state in other parts of the law). Essentially, the law dictates that your capacity to consent isn't affected by the first two (and that goes for ev…	/r/MensRights	14/08/12 03:18 PM
1	BRITISH AIRWAYS regards all adult males as potential pedophiles: Mayor of London once asked to move away from his own children's seat on airplane due to policy /Crosspost from WTF Yeah. They got sued and overturned the policy about two years ago. That article is from 2006.	/r/MensRights	14/08/12 02:57 PM
1	A soccer coach and maths teacher has been sacked following accusations that she had sex with a 16-year-old student. Stacy Walker, 34, was arrested on Monday and charged with sexual battery under the position of trust statute. - Sexual battery? if the teacher was male it'd be statutory rape The Daily Mail? But also: Walker has posted $25,000 bail, but her case will now go to the Rankin County grand jury and if she is found guilty she could face up to 30 years in prison as well as losing her teaching licence. Whatever she was charged with, I think a 30 year maximum penalty is pretty reasonable.	/r/MensRights	10/08/12 07:04 AM
1	"...in nonreciprocally violent relationships, women were the perpetrators in more than 70 percent of the cases." (published 2007) Anonymous surveys and interviews, mostly.	/r/MensRights	09/08/12 02:57 AM
0	Appalling: Man convicted of sexual assaulting 13-year-old girl after 'expert' tells jury that children hardly ever lie about sexual assault Yes, something (read: an interpretation of highly complex laws of evidence) went wrong, but the legal system functioned properly in reversing it.	/r/MensRights	09/08/12 02:47 AM
2	Appalling: Man convicted of sexual assaulting 13-year-old girl after 'expert' tells jury that children hardly ever lie about sexual assault Yes, I know. That's the point I made. I said that the evidence was baloney and shouldn't be used, and that it was good that it was excluded on appeal.	/r/MensRights	08/08/12 01:59 PM
-1	Appalling: Man convicted of sexual assaulting 13-year-old girl after 'expert' tells jury that children hardly ever lie about sexual assault Well, I could name a bunch of actual rapes, or where people were turned away because they were raped, but the police didn't believe them. Point is, it doesn't get you there.	/r/MensRights	08/08/12 01:49 PM
-2	Appalling: Man convicted of sexual assaulting 13-year-old girl after 'expert' tells jury that children hardly ever lie about sexual assault Which particular part of my post were you referring to? The part where I said that this appeal is evidence of a functioning legal system? Because that was the main idea, and why your title was completely misleading.	/r/MensRights	08/08/12 01:36 PM
-5	Appalling: Man convicted of sexual assaulting 13-year-old girl after 'expert' tells jury that children hardly ever lie about sexual assault So your alternative is just to have a crapshoot about whether the problem involves one person, a hundred people or half the population of the Western world?	/r/MensRights	08/08/12 07:57 AM
-6	Appalling: Man convicted of sexual assaulting 13-year-old girl after 'expert' tells jury that children hardly ever lie about sexual assault Right. Is there any quantitative analysis of the number of rape convictions versus the overall number of false rape accusations?	/r/MensRights	08/08/12 07:17 AM
-7	Appalling: Man convicted of sexual assaulting 13-year-old girl after 'expert' tells jury that children hardly ever lie about sexual assault Any evidence?	/r/MensRights	08/08/12 06:53 AM
-19	Appalling: Man convicted of sexual assaulting 13-year-old girl after 'expert' tells jury that children hardly ever lie about sexual assault Hi guys, This is legally not admissible as evidence, so the appeal court was correct in striking it out. But, frankly, its probably true that people hardly ever lie about sexual assault. If anyone can quantify the number of false accusations, that would be, of course, useful, but if there are more than a few people heartless enough to lie about rape, I would be very surprised. Either way, this is an example of a well-functioning legal system that was able to detect and rectify a miscarriage of j…	/r/MensRights	08/08/12 05:56 AM
-12	How men are excluded from K-12: The story of Mr. B tl;dr "Mr B" was arrested by the police, and the school sent out a letter making sure that nobody thought that it was about something he did at school. This is apparently part of some grand conspiracy to exclude men from teaching.	/r/MensRights	30/06/12 07:00 AM
-1	Another feminist lie debunked: 70% of fathers who fight for custody win custody. I feel the statistic that most fathers who fight for custody win custody is more of a rebuttal to the argument that men are oppressed by the court system. In fact, it seems to completely demolish the argument.	/r/MensRights	25/06/12 03:17 PM
1	White Knight believes that men who sue False Rape Accusers are Crybabies I find it tragically ironic that this subreddit would use media attention as a metric for measuring the truth of rape statistics.	/r/MensRights	24/06/12 03:30 PM
-7	White Knight believes that men who sue False Rape Accusers are Crybabies Any evidence that there's a tidal wave?	/r/MensRights	23/06/12 08:40 AM
1	Third-grader boy stripsearched by a Female school administrator because a little "princess" accused him of stealing money You've managed to make a blanket statement against the Male Rights Movement while simultaneously defending feminism from your own backfired blanket accusation! Alright, alright. I apologise. What I should have said was that "yours and many others' conceptualisations of the MRM". I'm sorry I involved other MRAs, wherever they may exist, that don't believe in that doctrine. I don't see the need to defend my claims unless they need to be defended (tautology 101!), sorry you feel as though I wouldn'…	/r/MensRights	21/06/12 02:38 PM
0	Third-grader boy stripsearched by a Female school administrator because a little "princess" accused him of stealing money I don't need substantial material when presenting self-evident claims. I do get tired of these "source or stfu" style posts because they're a false invocation of proper debating commonly used to derail or stall argument. Right of course! Its self evident that men are disadvantaged! There's still a burden to show that its self evident. More made up headlines Look, I really don't doubt your ability to make things up in a way that proves your point. Like, really. You're very good at it. But could y…	/r/MensRights	21/06/12 01:59 AM
-18	Third-grader boy stripsearched by a Female school administrator because a little "princess" accused him of stealing money 'Analysis' or 'a completely made up story with no substantive material whatsoever'. Its really, really easy to make a point when you have no obligation to actually substantiate your claims. Your representation of the headline is woefully inaccurate. I think its universally accepted ground that children, no matter their gender, are uniquely vulnerable, especially to those in positions of power. Male children that were abused by the church were accepted as victims even when they came forward as me…	/r/MensRights	20/06/12 02:35 PM
-31	Third-grader boy stripsearched by a Female school administrator because a little "princess" accused him of stealing money All of these issues are used by MRAs to do the whole "can you imagine if the roles were reversed" shtick. Of course, there's not much interest in actually analysing how it would go down if the genders were reversed, nor is there any actual appreciation of the fact that the issue in question has been brought to light, and people are actually doing something about it. Its part of the MRA narrative that men have no rights. If they repeat it enough times, it becomes true.	/r/MensRights	20/06/12 01:42 PM
1	Adding up all rapes since 1960 There was a news report a while ago about a preference for males in certain female-dominated fields. The article basically said that they were being preferenced solely for being men, not because they actually gave any greater performance than the women they were competing against. I think it was nursing? Not sure - I'll look it up one of these days. MR was complaining about it, saying that feminists were being entitled. It happens, but not often.	/r/MensRights	14/06/12 03:11 PM
1	Adding up all rapes since 1960 Yes, absolutely. You need to discuss a wage gap in context, especially when discussing the actual tasks completed for the job itself, but there still positions and areas where women don't receive the same remuneration as men, despite doing exactly the same work. Its more contextual than it used to be, but it still exists, and feminists get that. Dismissing the pay gap in general terms is a meaningless as asserting it in general terms.	/r/MensRights	14/06/12 02:24 PM
1	Adding up all rapes since 1960 And so why doesn't that also apply to men, who would also gain from the perception of being a victim, and for politicians who gain from increased crime statistics towards men? Or am I missingthe point here. Seems that this issue has gone from 'feminists are lying' to 'there's a systematic conspiracy to fudge crime numbers to ensure re-election', which is far closer to the truth, but has no relevance to Men's Rights.	/r/MensRights	14/06/12 05:05 AM
1	Adding up all rapes since 1960 Once women are in the harder jobs more in force like welding or oil rigging then I would take a look again at the wages being paid. But a lot of the hype was caused because they were comparing men in high death rate jobs to women who sat at a desk filing papers. I think everyone should get paid for equal work, not equal jobs though. If a guy carries 150 lbs and I carry 75 and we move 100 items of said weight throughout the day I think he should get paid more as he is doing more if that makes sen…	/r/MensRights	14/06/12 04:55 AM
1	Adding up all rapes since 1960 Lol I could use 9/11 for all the warnings they had about it as an example :D I, er, what? Now if I saw that I would be pissed! however some fields are just gear more towards one gender because one does better than the other IE sales of some products you know? Yes, now, MRAs actually take opposition to that, because its discriminatory. Or they don't, because its just biology. Its unclear; its depends what thread in you're in, at what time, and what temperature it is outside. Now, if I was to say …	/r/MensRights	13/06/12 08:20 PM
1	Adding up all rapes since 1960 Can you proxy netflix? Thats a real shame for you not to be able to. Don't think so. Keen, but without a VPN I don't see a way. I wouldn't say making up stats but more using misinterputed data like what was done with the wage gap I have my own feelings about the wage gap, but I won't bother bringing them up here. Mostly since there's absolutely no point even beginning a discussion where the hivemind has made a determination (speaking of groups that won't suffer alternative viewpoints). The gist …	/r/MensRights	13/06/12 07:39 PM
0	Adding up all rapes since 1960 As in, evidence that other subreddits are more sexist than this one.	/r/MensRights	13/06/12 07:28 PM
0	Adding up all rapes since 1960 This subreddit is likely the least sexist of the gender politics reddits. The more sexist ones stereotype women as frail victims and men as strong oppressors, and advocate for protectionism for women, while this one in the main about equal rights and responsibilities, equal and honest abuse data reporting, equal access to social protection, equal partening rights etc. Least sexist ≠ not sexist. And I'd like to see evidence. Lots of it.	/r/MensRights	13/06/12 06:43 PM
-1	Adding up all rapes since 1960 Maybe the sex of the legislators is irrelevant. Suggesting a person's sex automatically means they're more biased towards their own sex is itself a sexist opinion. Pretty sure this subreddit accusing me of sexist is an irony sundae, with extra whipped irony on top. My point was that that's exactly right; the sex of the legislator doesn't determine which way they vote, and nor does the sex of the voter. That means that no one, not legislators or voters, have an incentive to bury statistics that p…	/r/MensRights	13/06/12 05:15 PM
0	Adding up all rapes since 1960 Americans are lazy. Yeah. You make not turning up a criminal offence. We seem to manage. What? I never said that but the average american watches some form of news and takes its view point as their own, so if the media spins something as bad the average person will take it as bad. There was a whole documentary that explained how this exact practice gave obama the election. Netflix has it The media in America can make or break a lot of things becuase the population in general is lazy and remains …	/r/MensRights	13/06/12 05:02 PM
-1	Adding up all rapes since 1960 I think you'd have to be incredibly naive as to how rigid a standard someone who benefits from a given policy has for such things. Because predominantly male legislators have no reason to legislate in favour of more protections for men?	/r/MensRights	13/06/12 04:49 PM
0	Adding up all rapes since 1960 Dependign on the wording I wouldn't put it past my gender if the media played it as a bad thing. As usual, its great to see r/MR's opinion of women ranking right up there with psychopaths and idiots. Compulsory voting? How do they enforce this???? I want it! They tell everyone to turn up, and about 99% of people do. I know the voting record in the US is awful, I just don't understand why.	/r/MensRights	13/06/12 01:40 PM
-1	Adding up all rapes since 1960 Well, potentially so they can pander to people that don't vote? Sorry, I come from Australia where we have compulsory voting. Don't get the cultural idea of not voting. And are you saying that women are so self-interested that they would automatically vote against a candidate advocating a policy, say, to target male rape victims?	/r/MensRights	13/06/12 01:29 PM
-2	Adding up all rapes since 1960 Is it also possible that not wanting to correct a false statistic could be explained by it not being a false statistic? I think you'd have to be incredibly cynical to believe that these people, who make policies that affect the lives of millions, wouldn't be willing to at least whip out a calculator the next time the policy comes up for review.	/r/MensRights	13/06/12 10:05 AM
-2	Adding up all rapes since 1960 Well, I assume they're not entirely incompetent, so yes, I'd presume they look at the stats. Or at least delegate one of their numerous employees to do so when the vet legislation. And if its 'politically palatable' to report these stats, then by that logic you could never, even win against them.	/r/MensRights	13/06/12 08:47 AM
2	Adding up all rapes since 1960 Because legislators can't use Excel, right?	/r/MensRights	13/06/12 08:32 AM
9	Facts and statistics detailing male oppression / disadvantage. Another good example is that the oft quoted statistic of rape in jail is, of course, committed by men against men. Not women against men. Hence, there's a serious question as to how that type of violence can be solve. Cynically I'd say that it goes against the MRA rhetoric that their only fight is with the feminists, not with fellow men. Men can be white knights, but the idea that they would just be anti-male is incompatible with the idea that there are binary fields of 'with us' and 'against us…	/r/MensRights	12/06/12 03:02 PM
1	Woman in sex scandal said, "...could not infect her with HIV/AIDS because he was circumcised." Yes, and that's exactly what a lot of people are saying. And, what? The WHO doesn't realise that? Whatever, so long as the WHO are, apparently, ignorant, negligent retards, there's nothing more for me to say here. I wonder if you realize how racist you sound? Oh, yes, those backward ignorant darkies. Can't possibly educate them, you know how nothing sticks in those nappy heads of theirs. They rape babies, for god's sake. We better just skip straight to mutilating their genitals at birth. Oh plea…	/r/MensRights	12/06/12 10:51 AM
1	Woman in sex scandal said, "...could not infect her with HIV/AIDS because he was circumcised." Your allusion to either a feminist bias (indicated by your questioning of the consultation of women's health groups) or a pro-circumcision bias (for no reason, of course, because that's just how the WHO works, right?) are equally ridiculous. If you want to believe that the WHO is ignoring evidence and reaching the wrong conclusion on circumcision in Africa, then there's nothing I can do to stop you. But your contention that the WHO would be either so incompetent or short-sighed to not see the bl…	/r/MensRights	12/06/12 10:16 AM
0	'She hit me again, raining blows down on me': Robert Kennedy's court filing reveals how Mary abused his children and violently attacked him throughout their marriage \| Mail Online Just because I don't agree with you doesn't make me a troll, you know.	/r/MensRights	12/06/12 09:41 AM
1	Woman in sex scandal said, "...could not infect her with HIV/AIDS because he was circumcised." I didn't say anything about the comments being balanced. Almost everyone here is clearly, often vehemently opposed to infant/child circumcision. We are also opposed to circumcision under "false pretenses," such as with the assurance that it somehow makes you AIDS-proof. Many of us have posted various rebuttals to the African studies from various credible sources-- Oxford University, The Lancet, and other well-respected doctors, researchers, and medical authorities. Your response to all of them h…	/r/MensRights	12/06/12 09:26 AM
1	UK Men FOUR TIMES MORE LIKELY to die before 65 of heart disease - Government must do more say Men's Health experts......... Aaaand that's a wrap for men's rights. Thanks for playing!	/r/MensRights	12/06/12 06:24 AM
7	Facts and statistics detailing male oppression / disadvantage. I've tried to make that very point numerous times here, but it never gains any traction for anything but downvotes.	/r/MensRights	12/06/12 04:53 AM
-21	Dear /MR: I'm a Wikipedian. I'd like to see high quality men's rights related content on Wikipedia. Hi there, really glad to see some positive action suggested, rather than the usual drum-beating that goes on here. Likely that this comment will get immediately buried, but regardless (and hopefully you log back in long enough to see this), I think its important that you recognise the potential for positive action out of your suggestion is extremely limited. This subreddit (and MRAs in general) make a lot of hay out of the victimisation they can claim from feminists. As a victim of a grandiose f…	/r/MensRights	12/06/12 04:33 AM
0	Woman in sex scandal said, "...could not infect her with HIV/AIDS because he was circumcised." Yep, that is my argument. Now, I just realised that I replied to three different comments all by you, so I'll answer this one by referring you to another comment I made: ...[The WHO's] specific purpose is to pursue the best scientific policies, and that would involve keeping track of recent developments in science. Science is objective fact, and the people employed by the WHO are employed specifically for their ability to be scientists. Its not "who has an opinion"; this isn't some sordid politi…	/r/MensRights	12/06/12 02:03 AM
0	Woman in sex scandal said, "...could not infect her with HIV/AIDS because he was circumcised." Wait, really? You just listed a bunch of victim advocates-- and you think they're going to come up with a "balanced" policy? No legal experts? No exonerated accused? Well I didn't exhaustively list legislative consultancy groups. Yes, you should probably also consult exonerated accused and legal groups (as if that didn't go without saying). We're not claiming there's "no" evidence. We're questioning the credibility of that evidence, and the soundness of a policy involving genital mutilation base…	/r/MensRights	12/06/12 01:49 AM
0	Woman in sex scandal said, "...could not infect her with HIV/AIDS because he was circumcised." Oh, no, sorry, I was a bit clumsy with the wording. I just meant that infant circumcision is the more advocated form of circumcision, rather than adult circumcision. Hence my assumption that when we were discussing circumcision, we were discussing the infant variety. Sorry for the confusion, you are of course correct.	/r/MensRights	12/06/12 01:37 AM
-4	'She hit me again, raining blows down on me': Robert Kennedy's court filing reveals how Mary abused his children and violently attacked him throughout their marriage \| Mail Online There is a widespread view that only men are violent; that all female violence is defensive; and that the patriarchy and male domination are at the root of all violence. These stories are gradually eating away at those lies. Well that's a swell take home message from this tragic story. Second, there is an issue of why did he put up with this violence for so long? Why was even a wealthy and powerful man unable to get anything done about it? What does this say about our society and how it treats m…	/r/MensRights	11/06/12 02:50 PM
-10	'She hit me again, raining blows down on me': Robert Kennedy's court filing reveals how Mary abused his children and violently attacked him throughout their marriage \| Mail Online How on earth this is a Men's Rights issue? He probably persevered with the physical violence for the sake of his relationship, trying desperately to stop the woman he loved from turning into someone who would tear his family apart. He probably did it for the kids, making sure that their interests went even beyond his own for personal safety. And, most importantly, he probably did it for her, so that she wouldn't do something stupid when he wasn't around to stop her. And then, finally, once he br…	/r/MensRights	11/06/12 04:41 AM
1	Female headmaster tried to scare boy by warning that if he wet his bed again, she would cut off his penis and feed it to the pigeons. She then grabbed the boy's penis strongly and injured him. Its China guys, come on. If we're talking about a country that routinely oppresses minorities, locks up political dissidents and has links to North Korea, we can probably assume it isn't going to have the best social policy. No fair trial? Sorry, we were too busy blowing up the Tibetans and threatening to nuke Taiwan. And, frankly, the notion that 'this wouldn't happen to a girl' is utterly ridiculous in the circumstances. Not only would it likely cause the same level of outrage (read: quite a b…	/r/MensRights	11/06/12 04:25 AM
0	Woman in sex scandal said, "...could not infect her with HIV/AIDS because he was circumcised." Please show where the WHO advocates circumcising them as infants. Last I checked, the WHO was only recommending voluntary circumcision for adult males in high-HIV areas. I had just assumed that the WHO advocated infant circumcision, since that is what is usually advocated through the rest of the world. On closer examination, it appears that part of the scheme involves offering the services to adult males, although it will still also try to distribute the services to infants.	/r/MensRights	11/06/12 04:13 AM
-1	Woman in sex scandal said, "...could not infect her with HIV/AIDS because he was circumcised." "Why does literally every person here trust random sources they found on Google more than a government that has extremely intelligent lawyers and public policy experts enforcing justice for the entire United States?" Yeah, that's pretty much my point. Aside from the fact that medical issues are slightly more difficult to understand than the policy surrounding rape accusations, I'm pretty happy to defer to organisations whose sole responsibility is that thing For example, if you have surveyed psy…	/r/MensRights	11/06/12 04:01 AM
-1	Woman in sex scandal said, "...could not infect her with HIV/AIDS because he was circumcised." And there are studies that say it doesn't. Why is the WHO one of the few groups that support this move and why would their extremely intelligent scientists and doctors be more qualified than the other extremely intelligent scientists and doctors who disagree? But they're not scientists with a particular agenda; why can't they be trusted to weigh up the evidence for and against, and decide on the best course of action? The WHO just want to prevent HIV transmission, I just don't see why their doct…	/r/MensRights	10/06/12 10:58 AM
-2	Woman in sex scandal said, "...could not infect her with HIV/AIDS because he was circumcised." The WHO doesn't have to advocate infant circumcision, they just jumped on it after a half-baked study provided an easy fix. People in Africa are so desperate for a way to avoid HIV they'll rape babies, convinced it'll cure them. Yep, that's an appropriate characterisation of the internal processes of the World Health Organisation. I bet they'll prescribe essence of quartz in no time! That's all well and good, if the tradeoff actually affected the problem. This all comes down to whether circumcis…	/r/MensRights	10/06/12 09:57 AM
-2	Woman in sex scandal said, "...could not infect her with HIV/AIDS because he was circumcised." No research has ever been done to find out. See my comment above. Its a completely facile argument. Moreover, there's never been a study to see whether male circumcision does it either; the study referred to was a meta-analysis. If it were proven, then I'd agree it's a small price. However, that wouldn't affect my, personal, stance on infant circumcision. Infants are not sexually active and are therefor not at risk of contracting HIV in that way. Wat? Oh, I get it. We should wait until they're a…	/r/MensRights	10/06/12 09:17 AM
-1	Woman in sex scandal said, "...could not infect her with HIV/AIDS because he was circumcised." Yes, but as I already said, women are more safe from infection by virtue of the fact that the men are less likely to be infected. If men are half as likely to have HIV in the first place, that means a general reduction in the level of infected people generally. Which means women are less likely to be infected.	/r/MensRights	10/06/12 09:06 AM
-1	Woman in sex scandal said, "...could not infect her with HIV/AIDS because he was circumcised." But then the WHO decided to act on them. I'd say they're probably doing it on more than just a flawed study. Most of the criticisms seem to be of the applicability of the study to other contexts.	/r/MensRights	09/06/12 11:43 PM
-2	Woman in sex scandal said, "...could not infect her with HIV/AIDS because he was circumcised." That link you posted is on the US Navy population. The US Navy is an entirely different kettle of fish to African nations. So much for focusing on facts? Female genital mutilation (or female circumcision) has never been shown to have any health benefits. The cost/benefit ratio is far outweighed for FGM, given the level of invasiveness of the procedure, and the serious infection, etc., risks, which don't exist for circumcision in the main (and don't you even try to convince me FGM is anywhere clo…	/r/MensRights	09/06/12 11:31 PM
-2	Woman in sex scandal said, "...could not infect her with HIV/AIDS because he was circumcised." And yet its still advised by the WHO?	/r/MensRights	09/06/12 07:11 PM
-3	Woman in sex scandal said, "...could not infect her with HIV/AIDS because he was circumcised." Sure. I'll be right back here while we get around to teaching safe sex in Africa. When the need to take drastic measures to curb AIDS is gone (presumably as a result of more education), then we can move on in the discussion. But the need is so dire, that its worth taking a few desperate measures if it means these people get to live longer. Therefore, a lot of people are having unprotected sex, thinking they're 100% protected. It clearly states in the article that this is so for this woman's case…	/r/MensRights	09/06/12 06:41 PM
1	My feminist/women's rights major friend just texted me complaining that crying didn't get her out of a speeding ticket. I just don't know what to say. Men are also less likely to get custody of their children as a SAHH than a woman is as a SAHW, and there is less public assistance for men, and more men are responsible for child support and alimony-which requires work. Yes, that's my point. Those are institutional reflection of the social norm that men are supposed to be the provider for families. In today's age it seems barbaric, but today we still enforce men to support the wife even after marriage, so men were financially submissive to women…	/r/MensRights	09/06/12 06:30 PM
1	My feminist/women's rights major friend just texted me complaining that crying didn't get her out of a speeding ticket. I just don't know what to say. The difference is that norm is enforced through legislation. Women aren't forced to be stay at home moms, for example. Women aren't forced out of STEM fields by virtue of being women. Well, there's nothing stopping men from staying home either, and yet its a pretty common complaint that there's such a substantial stigma against it that men are effectively prohibited from doing it. I thought we were talking about modern day Well, we are, but the 90s is hardly ancient history. And its another comm…	/r/MensRights	09/06/12 06:07 PM
1	My feminist/women's rights major friend just texted me complaining that crying didn't get her out of a speeding ticket. I just don't know what to say. Social norms don't dictate choice, they influence them. Social norms are not a gun to the head nor are they mind control. Well, that's a pretty distinct approach to the issue than most MRAs. I'd say that the reason that men struggle to get custody of their children is exactly because of a legislative reaction to an overarching societal norm. And, frankly, its a little more than an 'influence'. The fact that women couldn't testify in criminal cases because they were seen as 'unreliable' until the…	/r/MensRights	09/06/12 05:48 PM
-10	Woman in sex scandal said, "...could not infect her with HIV/AIDS because he was circumcised." Not wanting to burst too many peoples' bubbles, but there's actually published studies that say that circumcised men have a lower chance of contracting HIV/AIDS. Its currently endorsed by the WHO, because it halves the risk of heterosexual men contracting aids (source). While this isn't usually the case in countries that have low rates of HIV (such as, say, the West in general), in certain parts of Africa the problem is so massive that they are trying anything and everything to curb contraction …	/r/MensRights	09/06/12 05:38 PM
1	My feminist/women's rights major friend just texted me complaining that crying didn't get her out of a speeding ticket. I just don't know what to say. Feminist organizations should stop reaching conclusions about sexism based solely about who's on top, and start considering that people should be held accountable for their choices. Well, I think it already does. And its very easy to misconstrue their doctrine to mean that it doesn't. Well whether we actually live in a patriarchy today would be the first question. Well, alright. What's the rebuttal to 'both men and women are limited in their choices because of overarching social norms that dicta…	/r/MensRights	09/06/12 05:26 PM
0	My feminist/women's rights major friend just texted me complaining that crying didn't get her out of a speeding ticket. I just don't know what to say. My husband works in an industry where people routinely work 100 hour weeks for months at a time-- it's predominantly male and there's a very high divorce rate. 100 hour weeks? Holy hell. That seems almost impossible. But ultimately I just don't think that feminism is responsible for people having unrealistic expectations, or encourages people to blame 'everybody but themselves' for not getting promotions, either by themselves or notwithstanding their families. Feminism's message is that your onl…	/r/MensRights	08/06/12 08:46 PM
-1	My feminist/women's rights major friend just texted me complaining that crying didn't get her out of a speeding ticket. I just don't know what to say. Ah, so that is your opinion. Which end of your anatomy does it emanate from? Unfortunately, the numerous past discussions I've witnessed and been part of in the subreddit. If I can ever stomach my comment history enough, I'll look them up.	/r/MensRights	08/06/12 08:34 PM
-1	My feminist/women's rights major friend just texted me complaining that crying didn't get her out of a speeding ticket. I just don't know what to say. No idea where you get the rape theme from, since I never mentioned it. Perhaps you should address that to the appropriate person. Its the spirit of the subreddit you're in. Seeing that I have no responsibility for her as I do for my own kid, I might not say anything. But as I said in my first post, it would be unpleasant. Cool, but I guess that's just a fundamental disagreement we have. I personally would joke around, but I'd always understand that where feelings are concerned, you stay right ou…	/r/MensRights	08/06/12 08:11 PM
-2	My feminist/women's rights major friend just texted me complaining that crying didn't get her out of a speeding ticket. I just don't know what to say. There is, sort of. Evidentiary detective work aside, there's no real narrative of the story beyond what the OP has said. I missed have missed the nuance in the quotation marks. No fucking clue what that means. I saw this on the reddit front page, I have no idea what the philosophy of this subreddit is, or whether you understand it. Idea as I understand it: Drunk rape isn't rape because women consented to drinking, and hence consented to everything that happens to them while drunk. Again, you see…	/r/MensRights	08/06/12 07:43 PM
-1	My feminist/women's rights major friend just texted me complaining that crying didn't get her out of a speeding ticket. I just don't know what to say. No woman, no matter how "independent and strong," lives in a vacuum, and many take on commitments of marriage and family without much regard for exactly what they're committing to. Oh now come on, you're just being blatantly misrepresentative. The idea is that you do whatever you want, its that you can now make the choice to do what you want without being limited by society's restrictive norms. It seems like you're arguing in favour of the view that all women should be housewives. Some of these …	/r/MensRights	08/06/12 07:33 PM
-3	My feminist/women's rights major friend just texted me complaining that crying didn't get her out of a speeding ticket. I just don't know what to say. That's an interesting turn of face for this subreddit. Its almost like you're accepting that I wouldn't be responsible for things that happen when I get drunk. Huh. There is a difference between being drunk and having people take advantage of you while in that state, versus deliberately committing a crime then trying to use your tears to get out of paying for it. And when that doesn't work, badmouthing the cop who was only doing his job. Well, there is no evidence she was badmouthing the cop. No…	/r/MensRights	08/06/12 06:46 PM
-1	My feminist/women's rights major friend just texted me complaining that crying didn't get her out of a speeding ticket. I just don't know what to say. Well, that's a pretty massive misrepresentation of what the feminist movement actually wants. Its fairly easily cherry-picking a feminist stance on particular issues, viewing them through a very skewed lens and putting them together in a completely nonsensical context. Let me explain: When you said "how dare you force your partner to work", the operative word is 'force'. Feminists want an actual dialogue about how should bear the working weight of the household, rather than an absolute restricti…	/r/MensRights	08/06/12 06:14 PM
1	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment Well that's certainly true. In Australia, however, we have fairly strict laws about reporting the names of suspected rapists. One radio host even served jail time for reporting an offender's name. Also look at the [laws generally].(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub_judice) So that's probably a separate issue. The bigger issue is, of course, that cases fought with 'he-said-she-said' evidence as usually a farce at the best of times, without giving someone the chance of being convicted on 'the balan…	/r/MensRights	08/06/12 05:39 PM
1	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment Its not so much that they don't know who raped whom, its more than there's often a complete lack of physical evidence. There's often no actual physical injury, or that physical injury is healed before the charges are brought. There's also very often an instinct to, say, wash yourself after a rape, so physical evidence is often destroyed that way too. So most of the time you have nothing to go on but eye-witness testimony. Its true that there are instances where someone is never caught after comm…	/r/MensRights	08/06/12 04:53 PM
1	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment VAWA is ludicrous? Note that I said "systematically". One piece of legislation that prejudices men (not that I've avidly studied it, given that I don't live there) isn't proof of a systematic oppression, any more than one piece of legislation that prejudices women (such as the one requiring women to get a trans-vaginal ultrasound if they want to have an abortion) isn't evidence of a male-dominated conspiracy. Yeah? Then why does NOW, the largest feminist organization in the US, consistently and …	/r/MensRights	08/06/12 04:43 PM
1	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment You're right, and I hadn't really thought that statement through enough. My only retort is probably that stabbing, gun shot wounds and gang violence probably has a much higher chance of being successfully prosecuted than a rape, since the latter so rarely has sufficient physical evidence (as here) to bring a prosecution.	/r/MensRights	08/06/12 04:05 PM
-1	My feminist/women's rights major friend just texted me complaining that crying didn't get her out of a speeding ticket. I just don't know what to say. So now you're in the uncomfortable position where you just say "I'm sorry you got a ticket", and she continues to tell you how the cop was a bastard and didn't care for her crying, but you can't respond to any of that. Not a pleasant place to be. Yep, it isn't pleasant. But let me pose the following scenario: You come home the next morning from a party. Pants are covered in vomit, your phone and wallet are missing. You woke up in a gutter, half a mile up the road from where you last remember bei…	/r/MensRights	08/06/12 03:43 PM
1	My feminist/women's rights major friend just texted me complaining that crying didn't get her out of a speeding ticket. I just don't know what to say. How is that a problem? Are you saying that all women should be strong and independent? Because that would mean, by extension, that men should only ever be strong and independent. And isn't that exactly what your post suggested you didn't want?	/r/MensRights	08/06/12 03:27 PM
1	My feminist/women's rights major friend just texted me complaining that crying didn't get her out of a speeding ticket. I just don't know what to say. Well, nothing to do here then.	/r/MensRights	08/06/12 01:54 PM
1	My feminist/women's rights major friend just texted me complaining that crying didn't get her out of a speeding ticket. I just don't know what to say. That's right because ordinary people are stupid and think that women are pristine angels, capable of doing no wrong. Men, on the other hand, are mean and angry, always doing wrong. I mean, he probably stomped on a few kittens before speeding.	/r/MensRights	08/06/12 01:35 PM
0	My feminist/women's rights major friend just texted me complaining that crying didn't get her out of a speeding ticket. I just don't know what to say. If a man started crying due to getting pulled over, the cop would immediately suspect him of manipulation, or suspect he is hiding something. However if a woman cries, it is not the default assumption. Huh? You see a guy crying and your first assumption is that he's trying to manipulate you?	/r/MensRights	08/06/12 01:22 PM
3	"If Mr. Hutchinson's conviction is upheld, the implications are huge and wide-ranging. Including the possibility that a woman could be found guilty of assault if she lies to a partner about using birth control" Actually there's a case in Australia where a prostitute tried to sue one of her clients. He had promised to pay, use a condom and go to a hotel. Instead, he did it in the street, didn't pay, and didn't use a condom. Court held that it wasn't rape, because there was a difference between the sexual act and the surrounding circumstances. There's a crime for 'obtaining sex by deceit', but its rarely used and carries a very low sentence.	/r/MensRights	08/06/12 11:08 AM
-6	My feminist/women's rights major friend just texted me complaining that crying didn't get her out of a speeding ticket. I just don't know what to say. Yeah, you see, here's the thing. Most women (I won't speak for all of them here) who are upset don't want someone to argue the merits of their case with them; they want someone to just listen. They don't want you to say that you wouldn't have got out of the speeding fine because you're a man, or even that she shouldn't have been speeding in the first place. They just want someone to listen, and just give them sympathy. And you know what? I'd go so far as to say that most men are the same. Most o…	/r/MensRights	08/06/12 10:58 AM
4	My feminist/women's rights major friend just texted me complaining that crying didn't get her out of a speeding ticket. I just don't know what to say. Actually, a third-wave feminist would say that there is no female 'ideal'. For them, there is no 'women must be strong and independent', just that they shouldn't be demeaned no matter what they choose to be.	/r/MensRights	08/06/12 10:44 AM
1	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment Wait, what? Wow, that must have been removed within the last few weeks. I still stand by the fact that there are a lot of people on here that believe it but, wow. I stand corrected. There are one or two people here who believe in a very qualified definition of "conspiracy" and would thus say there is a feminist conspiracy against men. When asked to elaborate on that, I generally agree with their points, I just disagree on the use of the word "conspiracy." They're elaboration is only "kooky" if y…	/r/MensRights	08/06/12 10:25 AM
0	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment I haven't actually studied evidence, which is where you cover heresay. But I get the general idea that it isn't admissible for a reason, being that it is fairly unreliable. Murder is harmful to victims, but the victims aren't, you know, alive. There's an argument that, since rape is probably the most violent offence to victims who survive the attack, they should have their rights prioritisied. I think there's an implicit acceptance that either no innocent people will get caught (because of an ot…	/r/MensRights	08/06/12 10:13 AM
-2	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment Of course. Its a pretty ridiculous debate, but that it exists is merely my point.	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 07:53 PM
0	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment No, it doesn't, and hasn't for some time. For a few months, it said something along the lines of "Kloo2Yoo, co-founder of /mr, believed in a ...." blah blah blah just for posterity, but it has never been a premise of the subreddit. Then please, please remove it. Its embarrassing to Reddit in general, as well as any credibility the Men's Rights movement could ever have. But I will tell you that people here still believe in it. I would dig up their comments, but they're buried deep in my comment h…	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 07:41 PM
0	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment I don't see where any coercion is implied. I just don't see "suck a dick" as an insult where its done with consent.	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 07:39 PM
1	“A woman’s right to chose comes before freedom of speech”. If the fact that someone with similar opinions in some other part of the world once committed a violent act is sufficient to justify banning a group, then you'll have to ban all groups. Righto. Its pretty tried and tested. I've told you how other groups impact life at University, and how it'll just be repeated in this instance. But good on your for standing up for the little guy. People like you are a far greater threat to society than any anti-abortion group could ever be. Sure, okay. Even if y…	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 07:39 PM
-2	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment Melissa McEwan says that women who falsely accuse men of rape should never be prosecuted or admonished in any way for their actions. Wasn't aware there were any feminists who took that view. Cool, but to give proper context: It would be easy to accuse feminists of being too quick to classify sex as rape, but feminists are to be found on all sides of the debate, and many protest the idea that all the onus is on the man. It demeans women to suggest that they are so vulnerable to coercion or emotio…	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 07:32 PM
0	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment I hear most appointed attorneys aren't great, but that's just what I hear. And as a law student, you tend to hear the worst. I'd always have a lawyer I could call, but retainer seems excessive.	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 07:23 PM
1	“A woman’s right to chose comes before freedom of speech”. No, you spout crap like "“A woman’s right to chose comes before freedom of speech”, and then you're an evil feminist. Think its fairly evident that some rights do come before others; defamation is probably a good example of where one freedom comes before a freedom of speech.	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 07:22 PM
1	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment Let me ask you, IF Martin was able to outrun Zimmerman. Zimmerman was heading back to his car and Martin came back and started yelling at him. Zimmerman yells back, and Martin throws a punch, knocks Zimmerman to the ground and starts bashing his head into the pavement. IF all of that happened, in your opinion, was Zimmerman justified in shooting Martin? Maybe. Depends if Martin was going to stop bashing his head. If you take Zimmerman at his word, it seems he wasn't. So yeah, he would be justifi…	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 07:21 PM
1	“A woman’s right to chose comes before freedom of speech”. Pardon me if I don't think some random loony's unsubstantiated opinion is insufficient reason to remove people's civil rights. I always knew this name would come back to haunt me. Not my opinion, the opinion of quite a few people on the University of Sydney Union Board. But also, to be clear, no one is advocating for a ban. Except me. A bit. That's not a fact. That's your unsubstantiated opinion. Well, its my opinion. But I provided quite a few examples to substantiate it. I'll be sure to Google…	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 07:20 PM
0	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment Nice try, but I'm a woman. It's an expression. Would you prefer, "They can eat my rotting vagina"? I'd prefer you didn't encourage your opponents to perform any sexual act without their consent, frankly. Also, rotting vagina. Ew.	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 07:17 PM
1	“A woman’s right to chose comes before freedom of speech”. I certainly have a problem with naming specific men (or women) as rapists for literally no reason other than seeing their name in the directory. There have been a lot of instances where pro-life groups have hunted down doctors and patients, verbally and physically harassing them. Just saying. I don't think that kind of behaviour (as described in the article) should be anywhere near legal (or at least permitted on campus), I just think the same standard should be applied to 'pro life' groups who …	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 07:10 PM
0	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment Well, I told you he had a gun. You provided evidence that he had cuts on his forehead and a bruise on his neck. Treyvon Martin is dead, and there's no testimony that satisfactorily establishes for me that there was any justification for that action. But whatever, I'm the emotionally irrational idiot with no moral centre.	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 07:04 PM
0	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment So what exactly is the effect of SYG laws in the U.S. then, if all this is in place? Does it override and relieve the defendant from having to build a defense? Effectively. My understanding is that all the defendant has to show is that they had an honest belief that they were in danger, and an honest belief that the force they used was reasonable. And that's it. Someone could be financially ruined if they get attacked by a criminal. I think that is part of the reasoning - in order to put the def…	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 07:03 PM
-2	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment "Legitimate" debate? Exactly what defines a legitimate debate about disrupting the established legal safeguards that help protect innocent people from being railroaded by idealogues with an axe to grind? Because rape is really harmful to its victims, and its really hard to establish when you can't rely on heresay evidence, for example. Rape is a serious charge that involves serious consequences. Just as with any accusation of criminal activity, no one should be convicted of a charge like this wi…	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 07:01 PM
1	“A woman’s right to chose comes before freedom of speech”. And you would have no problem with that? Fine. But I hope a perfectly miserable campus is worth the warm and fuzzy feeling a 'freedom of speech' gives you.	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 06:56 PM
-1	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment Yeah, no. One moderator believed that, it was never the "premise" of the subreddit. That moderator hasn't been on reddit for a year or more. It says it in the sidebar. And numerous members on here have enunciated that same mantra many times I've been here. Did you just hear that, or are you one of the people actively spreading the lies? Either way, no, we're not. I had just heard it, and read the initial police reports. I do apologise.	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 06:44 PM
0	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment I contend that you want the "forget it and move on" because you are on the loosing side of this argument. Oh no! Losing an argument in r/MR? How ever will I cope? Your abject refusal to acknowledge my points makes the playing-field a tad skewed against me. The presumption of innocence goes all the way to a jury saying "we find the defendant guilty" I don't care who committed what crime, that is the basis of our justice system. Okay. Glad you're that able to disconnect all feelings from a situati…	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 06:42 PM
0	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment Yes, that was one comment (the same one I linked to). 10 or 11 upvotes. That's "quite a few" of us, in a subreddit of almost 40K subscribers? Also keep in mind trolls frequently come through and upvote comments like this just so people like you can point to them and say, "Look how many upvotes this got!" This is not paranoia; this is a documented phenomenon. The highest comment in this thread has 19 upvotes. So, yeah. Surely the troll logic would also work in favour of my comments, that have bee…	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 06:40 PM
0	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment In Australia, there is a Federal Criminal Code, but the states have almost entirely defined their own state-based criminal justice systems. However, they're tangibly identical. I would presume something similar operates in the US. It seems to shift the burden of proof away from the touted "innocent until proven guilty" on the scale. Yep, self-defence is, as its name suggests, a defence. I can't remember the relevant burden of proof, but it certainly shifts to the defendant to argue (otherwise th…	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 06:37 PM
-5	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment I know I've been holding elsewhere that its important to keep an open mind, and I'm fine for the courts not to prosecute him before he's been through a trial, but this entire case is so enraging to me (and most of the rest of the world, it seems). Frankly, I think the statement that there's a "presumption of innocence" only goes so far. Can you honestly say you would 'wait and see' if someone was guilty if there was evidence that they'd shot a kid in cold blood? Did you wait until you had 'all t…	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 06:16 PM
-2	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment I am refuting a claim that he is innocent; by proving his guilt. There's more than one way to skin a cat, and in this case its to shoot in at close range.	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 06:13 PM
0	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment If someone is engaging in assault and battery on you, you're either permitted to use deadly force or you aren't. I would like to hear of a specific state that permits victims to punch an attacker, but not use deadly force. I'll pull out my Criminal Law notes, if you like. Zecevic v DPP establishes the rule that: In instances “where an accused person raising a plea of self-defence was the original aggressor and induced or provoked the assault against which he claims the right to defend himself, i…	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 06:11 PM
-2	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment I've even heard some prominent feminists say openly that men should not get due process in rape cases. That's not the same thing as saying that accusers shouldn't get punished. There's a legitimate debate about whether we should reduce the standard of proof in rape cases, because evidence is particularly difficult to establish (see: this case as a core example). She could sue civily, as that only has the burden of 'balance of probabilities' (like the family did with OJ Simpson). However, I think…	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 06:04 PM
-4	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment The subreddit premised on opposing a worldwide Feminist conspiracy to subjugate men. I'm fairly sure it passed the 'kook' stage a fair while back. Also, hate group.	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 06:02 PM
0	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment That would get a 'not bad' Obama face, but I don't have one on hand. Either way, have an upvote. I can't tell you the number of times people in this subreddit have refused to reveal or discuss evidence.	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 06:00 PM
-2	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment Not me? But I find that submission entirely satisfying in a 'just desserts' way for this subreddit. Particularly: Turns out she actually was raped though it seemed extremely unlikely to me. I feel a little shitty about dumping her, but what's done is done. Maybe treating rape accusers with something less than accusatory scorn would be a good starting point? But the comments in the thread seem to be largely chastising of him, which is always a good start.	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 05:59 PM
-2	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment Of course. Absolutely. 100%. I was just refuting the claim that he was 'innocent'.	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 05:55 PM
-5	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment And I'm glad. But you're in an unfortunate minority. I've been part of many other discussions on this subreddit, and none of them even close to as tame as this one. And I think the 11+ people who upvoted his comment probably speak out against you there too.	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 05:54 PM
-3	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment The 'stand your ground' laws pretty much allow him to plead self defence and justify any degree of force he, subjectively, thought necessarily. That makes it extremely difficult to show any excessive force, as it is entirely in the eye of the beholder. Or, more importantly, the guy who is using the defence to exonerate himself. Most states have objective requirements; you have to show that a reasonable person in your position, not you, would have made the decision to defend themselves, and that …	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 05:53 PM
-2	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment Yes, he was charged, and he was cleared of the charges. My point wasn't there were no longer charges, it was that saying that he was 'cleared' implies there was exonerating evidence; that they proved that he was innocent. They didn't. It wasn't a particularly major point, but just one that I think the discussion lacked in this thread. Because she was suggesting that rape victims can't get justice -- and this case does not provide ANY evidence for that. It's exactly the same sort of thing the Ste…	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 05:51 PM
-3	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment I was referring, as I believe I mentioned, to the community and threads in general. However, specifically I was referring to: I argee punishment is definitely in order ,they should punish the shit out of the accuser. (though I didn't see this had been commented on, and at this time it has 11 upvotes) Also, I found this one particularly humorous: Misogyny? SPLC can go suck a dick.	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 05:49 PM
-5	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment Alright, I apologise for my inaccurate literary construction. I didn't mean to suggest that he had his bail refused because he was a murdering scumbag, just that he was a murdering scumbag, and that his bail was refused. How the heck do you know what was necessary and appropriate? I'm a fairly strong proponent of the "rock beats paper, gun beats no gun" school of thought. People who take it upon themselves to purchase firearms, being serious weapons that can kill, generally educate themselves ab…	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 05:47 PM
-4	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment Cool. But I'm sure he'll get off; these laws make the iceweasel cower in fear.	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 05:37 PM
-3	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment Of course. But everyone stands by that, even the much hated feminists. They oppose false rape reports as much as anyone, as it destroys everything they have tried to build. But there are quite a few comments under this submission alone that suggest that she should be prosecuted for the statement, notwithstanding the fact that it wasn't dropped because she was lying; it was dropped because there wasn't enough evidence to prove that he was guilty beyond reasonable doubt.	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 05:31 PM
-6	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment (1) "He wasn't 'cleared of rape charges' . . . ." Yes, he was. "Cleared" of charges is not a legal term of art. It is often used to mean the charges were dropped. There is no such procedure in our jurisprudence for finding him "innocent," and even if there had been sufficient evidence for a trial, the best result he could have achieved is "not guilty." Both of my posts are clear that he wasn't found "not guilty." No one has called him 'innocent', 'not guilty' or whatever. Charges were never brou…	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 05:26 PM
-8	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment His bail was [revoked] for hiding money that had been donated to his legal defense from the court. It had nothing to do with any "massive weight of evidence" against him. I never said his bail was revoked because of the massive weight of evidence. I meant to infer that a judge revoking bail didn't exactly smack of innocence. Obviously he feels that the case against Zimmerman is sufficient to give thought to whether or not he is a flight risk. Now that he has money (that he never told the court a…	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 05:22 PM
-13	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment Sorry guys. He wasn't 'cleared of rape charges', the prosecution against him was dropped for lack of evidence: Last week, the Suffolk district attorney's office announced that prosecutors determined they could not prove their case against Mr. Nicastro beyond a reasonable doubt: “After a three-month investigation and a comprehensive review of the evidence it developed, prosecutors determined that they could not meet their burden at trial of proof beyond a reasonable doubt and had an ethical oblig…	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 04:55 PM
-15	Red Wings plan to sign ex-Boston U student cleared of rape charges; others think the accusation alone warrants punishment Excuse me? What evidence do you have that Zimmerman is innocent? There's one news outlet that modified part of one phone call. Notwithstanding the massive weight of evidence against him. So much so that a judge recently revoked his bail. Now he's 'innocent'?	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 04:46 PM
3	“A woman’s right to chose comes before freedom of speech”. Rhetoric like that is what makes Phoebe Drake a feminist. So, what? You talk about rights for women and suddenly you're an evil feminist? Well, that's swell. Why don't the same rules apply for men when they talk about rights for men? Why don't they suddenly become bigoted, biased people? Also, your very own mantra carries that you should provide equal rights for women. Are you going against that now? The methods and agenda of feminists are well known here. You're unlikely to convince anyone othe…	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 02:57 PM
2	“A woman’s right to chose comes before freedom of speech”. First, the fact that there's an overwhelming likelihood should be enough to justify a ban. Second, no one was suggesting banning the group. The worst that occurred was that the student union voted on a motion that would state that they were discriminatory against women. Not in any way restrict their entitlement to funds or activities on campus. Third, I think that, intrinsically, pro-life groups make people's lives miserable. Every single time you interact with a pro-life group, they aim to mora…	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 02:54 PM
1	“A woman’s right to chose comes before freedom of speech”. Using that reasoning, you'd certainly ban the ones that make student life on campus a steaming pile. Like the Socialist Alternative; they've been banned numerous times for assaulting and berating students, and generally make life miserable. I would ban them on that basis, and they have before. All the arguments in support of banning this group boil down to "they say things I don't like, so they should be silenced". Well, they don't, but you can pretend that that's the truth. If they start formin…	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 02:44 PM
3	“A woman’s right to chose comes before freedom of speech”. Don't think there's any evidence she's a feminist: Student Rep Council president Phoebe Drake summed up the campaign when she said yesterday: “A woman’s right to chose comes before freedom of speech”. She's a woman. That doesn't make her a feminist. http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/05/01/a-room-of-their-own-2/ Absolutely nothing to do with restricting free speech.	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 02:40 PM
1	“A woman’s right to chose comes before freedom of speech”. a) Nothing to do with Feminists. b) Nothing to do with suppressing men's rights to speech. Show me in the article where that is brought up. Show me where this policy has been extended in similar circumstances to limit men's speech.	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 12:28 PM
-1	“A woman’s right to chose comes before freedom of speech”. This article is full of misinformation. A motion by the University of Sydney Union to just call the organisation 'discriminatory' was voted down. They're registered and eligible for Student Union funding. No one is foaming at the mouth. But to be clear, the reason groups like these isn't for censorship and it isn't because feminism can't stand up to criticism. Its because every organisation in the world has been scarred by the experiences of what happens when you actually let pro-life groups exp…	/r/MensRights	07/06/12 12:12 PM
5	Why don't shelters and social workers require proof? That's not what victim blaming means.	/r/MensRights	05/06/12 09:27 AM
1	Car Insurance Sexism. The difference there though, is health insurances are basing it off of YOUR history. If you have a group rate (like through your employer) it's based off the collective history of your group. But they also base it off potential risk, including predisposition to certain diseases. But health insurance is probably a pretty bad example, since the moral hazard of not providing health insurance is pretty massive, so the government violates free market principles all the time to avoid the most at risk …	/r/MensRights	27/05/12 05:52 AM
1	Car Insurance Sexism. Sure, and I don't think anyone has provided any evidence that it hasn't been fairly applied. I really don't think car insurance companies have access to a database that lists peoples' racial history. But, putting my scepticism to the test, I did a bit of Googling and came up with this link, which seems to suggest that insurance companies do, in fact, discriminate against race.	/r/MensRights	27/05/12 05:49 AM
32	Car Insurance Sexism. Health companies discriminate based on your medical history all the time. Why is it wrong for insurance companies to discriminate based on risk? The idea isn't "who rolls through stop signs more", its that "this demographic makes more claims than that demographic, hence it is riskier, and hence we will charge higher premiums". I suspect the only reason they don't actively discriminate based on race is because that kind of data isn't easily available, and because it isn't as correlative as gender…	/r/MensRights	26/05/12 05:04 PM
-1	She cried rape, he went to prison for 6 years. She met up with him years later and admitted to him that she had lied, but said she wasn't willing to admit it to prosecutors because she had been awarded $1,500,000.00 Many states have exceptions where you can have sex with a minor if you are almost the same age as them, but not if you're quite a bit older. So it could be legal to have sex with a 15 year old when you are 16, but not if you are 22. Well that makes sense. Yeah, that's fine. Juvy exists for a reason. OP seemed to be suggesting pretty severe federal punishments for the crime. How long would you like her to stay there?	/r/MensRights	26/05/12 07:16 AM
-5	She cried rape, he went to prison for 6 years. She met up with him years later and admitted to him that she had lied, but said she wasn't willing to admit it to prosecutors because she had been awarded $1,500,000.00 No, it was not. He was 17, it was not statutory rape. I'm confused about consent laws in the US. I thought any sex with someone under 16 was stat rape, unless they were also under 16? Anyway. With that in mind, I can't imagine any reason the case wasn't tried. She is 25 now, what are you talking about? Well, two things. First, presumably if false accusation crimes were made more severe, there would be more of an inclination to investigate and prosecute crimes at the time of the accusation. Hence…	/r/MensRights	26/05/12 06:49 AM
-11	She cried rape, he went to prison for 6 years. She met up with him years later and admitted to him that she had lied, but said she wasn't willing to admit it to prosecutors because she had been awarded $1,500,000.00 Okay, some facts for people that didn't read the article. And other articles with more facts, like this one and this one. Banks was a 17-year-old college football prospect when, in 2002, a classmate accused him of kidnapping and raping her. Banks maintained the sex was consensual, but his lawyer suggested he take a plea deal rather than having the "he said-she said" case go to trial. This is a case of a gigantic legal negligence, rather than a case of the justice system failing. Any lawyer worth…	/r/MensRights	26/05/12 04:31 AM
-1	Feminists adamantly opposed male contraception Jeez, I want to ask jmnzz how it feels being the representative of all MRAs... I mean, since he didn't feel like doing homework for loony636, obviously that means no one else will. It was the exactly opposite of laziness, he expressly told me that he had the links, but didn't want to give them to me. toxic masculinity being the true fault, or used false equivocation (like: getting your drink laced by a drug is the same as choosing to get totally drunk) to attempt to demonize jmnzz's stance. You …	/r/MensRights	15/05/12 10:40 AM
-2	Feminists adamantly opposed male contraception Factory2 doesn't provide citations, because providing citations would only give you the ability to prove him wrong. Don't believe me? Here's the conversation I had with another MRA on the same topic.	/r/MensRights	15/05/12 05:44 AM
2	Saw this at Wal-mart - apparently men are too dumb to dress their kids without instructions I think there is a general belief in society that thinks that men aren't as good as women at raising children; part of that is biological, being that women are the ones that physically give birth to children and breast feed them, and part of that is historical, being that women were more typically housewives, and did more of the rearing of children than men, meaning that men, on the whole, generally weren't as experienced as women at raising children, meaning that they could, conceivably, be qui…	/r/MensRights	05/05/12 06:45 AM
1	New Rape Law Introduced to Include Young Boys as Victims Everything you say is true, so long as people are actually aware that its not related to the US.	/r/MensRights	25/03/12 11:36 PM
7	New Rape Law Introduced to Include Young Boys as Victims New Korean Rape Law*	/r/MensRights	25/03/12 02:41 PM
3	Woman dresses as man to deceive young girls into sex. Judge says she 'could' go to prison, even though she committed acts of statutory rape. Its more the implicit idea that such an approach is truly unacceptable when applied to a woman, but would be fine if applied to a man. It may not be "misogynistic" in the sense that it is a "hate" of women, but it is certainly evidence of a general "dislike or mistrust" of women, fitting perfectly in with the dictionary definition. Bit of a hyperbole, but still relevant.	/r/MensRights	03/03/12 04:48 PM
1	Wikipedia article on female privilege back up, help contribute to it to raise awareness of discrimination that men still face. I think they're more referring to the countries where FGM either isn't banned, or is banned but is still widely practiced. Its still massively practiced in the UK, for example. I'd like to refrain from engaging in the whole "is FGM worse than MGM", because obviously principally it isn't, and that's the main focus of the subreddit. But I think we can all accept that when you consider the best practiced circumcision for men and women, the overall impact on women is greater than the overall impact …	/r/MensRights	02/03/12 03:00 AM
0	Wikipedia article on female privilege back up, help contribute to it to raise awareness of discrimination that men still face. Rightio then. Just so we're all clear that it is in no way applicable to the US, and applies only in certain statutory rape cases in some parts of Ireland.	/r/MensRights	29/02/12 01:28 AM
-5	Female Privilege Wikipedia article under attack by feminists, support it! Rightio.	/r/MensRights	29/02/12 01:26 AM
0	Wikipedia article on female privilege back up, help contribute to it to raise awareness of discrimination that men still face. Yes, a supreme court. I believe the implication was that it was the US supreme court.	/r/MensRights	29/02/12 01:21 AM
-5	Female Privilege Wikipedia article under attack by feminists, support it! Okay. Since Wikipedia only started in 2001, what did they do before then? But also whatever. My response would be somewhere between "truth has a well known liberal bias" and "that's so untrue its not funny". But out of interest, why is the patriarchy such an undeniably silly concept but an internationally coordinated feminist conspiracy is totally believable?	/r/MensRights	29/02/12 01:14 AM
0	Wikipedia article on female privilege back up, help contribute to it to raise awareness of discrimination that men still face. Irish Supreme Court.	/r/MensRights	29/02/12 01:10 AM
1	Wikipedia article on female privilege back up, help contribute to it to raise awareness of discrimination that men still face. Do you know what the word 'relatively' means? It doesn't mean 'kind of' it means 'in comparison to'. So, murder with a rusty iron pickaxe is probably relatively painful compared to death by comfy chair. Neither is good, but one is relatively better than the other. Same with the comparison with circumcision. It is not saying that every single female circumcision is worse than every male circumcision, its point was merely that in usual circumstances, female circumcision is worse in terms of impact…	/r/MensRights	29/02/12 01:08 AM
-5	Female Privilege Wikipedia article under attack by feminists, support it! So there's not a single academic journal discussing female privilege (or male disadvantage)? Rubbish.	/r/MensRights	29/02/12 01:03 AM
0	http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/q8rxi/should_a_false_accusation_of_rape_be_a_serious/ You are, of course, correct in highlighting the standard of proof. Partly the answer is that it would be mens rea through inference; aside from the rare cases where one admitted to lying to the police (and would therefore very likely plead guilty), the prosecution would prove that the lack of evidence (or existence of conflicting evidence) was only explainable by a false report, and then construct some reason which would constitute the motive for the crime. I'm sure you can imagine a large numbe…	/r/MensRights	29/02/12 12:28 AM
1	http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/q8rxi/should_a_false_accusation_of_rape_be_a_serious/ That's the point I made last time this discussion came up. Apparently not very well received here. Basically the idea I proposed was that the same evidence that causes a rape case to fail is the same evidence that is used in a false accusation trial. E.g., lack of physical evidence, lack of eye witnesses, etc. That means people who don't have an open and shut case are very much more likely not to report rapes, and that's far worse than the satisfaction in throwing the book at a false accuser. I …	/r/MensRights	28/02/12 03:48 PM
-3	For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage And this is related to MensRights.........how?	/r/MensRights	18/02/12 05:44 PM
1	Dumped girlfriend faked rape injuries Nono, as in with what evidence. Presumably you point to a lack of eye witnesses (beyond yourself, obviously), a lack of physical evidence (lack of injuries, etc.). That means people who already don't report rapes for fear that they'll be turned away wont report their crimes, since if they don't succeed they may be facing criminal charges.	/r/MensRights	03/02/12 01:13 AM
1	Dumped girlfriend faked rape injuries Wow. Just wow. If you read the words above, rather than just making assumptions about what I wrote, you can see that I said that most people who will think twice about calling it rape wont be the 'typical' women MRAs point to as their bread and butter, but people who don't usually access the CJS for fear of being turned away. Also, most criminological studies show that increased sentencing doesn't act as a better deterrent; similar to how the death penalty doesn't act as a greater deterrent than…	/r/MensRights	03/02/12 01:11 AM
1	Dumped girlfriend faked rape injuries DV training manuals are indeed written by radical feminists, and anything based on the Duluth model is included in that. This is a point of pride for feminists, and if you go to AVfM you will see a whole series of articles detailing radical feminists push to criminalize men in Australia. Kyle Lovitt wrote the articles, and they're well researched. I will, but I still don't really have any idea why it is particularly feminist. Whatever, I'll check it out. And you've never heard 'only 2% of rape c…	/r/MensRights	02/02/12 12:38 PM
1	Dumped girlfriend faked rape injuries Not guilty does not mean she must be. No one....NO ONE...has ever said if he doesn't go to jail, she should. That is a contention ONLY feminists make. I believe that's pretty much you just said. You said that she should be facing the same sentence as he was. However, if it's proven the accusation was intentional and false, then she DID commit a crime, and should be punished. And I see no reason it should be for less than he was facing. Because, perhaps, the impetus to disinsentivise rapes and mu…	/r/MensRights	02/02/12 12:27 PM
1	Dumped girlfriend faked rape injuries Now say I didn't get robbed but I want to fuck with my ex-GF's new BF, so I claim to be robbed and use his description. The police arrest him, but later the case falls apart because it's shown that I was never robbed at all. At that point I should be held criminally (not tort) responsible for what the police did on my behalf as if I had done it myself. Sure, but how do you establish that you were never robbed?	/r/MensRights	02/02/12 12:21 PM
1	Dumped girlfriend faked rape injuries The criminal justice system isn't primarily there for victims, it's there for the accused. At least, that's the way it works in countries that aren't police states. Sorry? The criminal justice system serves the potential criminals before the victims? Based on evidence that a deliberate false accusation has been made, perhaps? Right, but how on earth do you establish that it was a deliberate false accusation?	/r/MensRights	02/02/12 12:20 PM
1	Dumped girlfriend faked rape injuries ...to make false accusations, which is just as awful as armed robbery and murder. Sure, making false accusations is bad, but putting genuine victims at odds with the criminal justice system is worse. I also don't think you could possibly say that making a false accusation is worse than murder. By what criterion? Is that actually an argument that anyone is putting forth, that a finding of not guilty or a hung jury or a dismissed case automatically = FRA and prosecution as such? No, but I was just…	/r/MensRights	01/02/12 04:44 PM
1	Dumped girlfriend faked rape injuries Don't arrest anyone upon mere accusations. You need a warrant for arrest in order to arrest someone, which requires you to prove to a judge that you have a certain level of evidence. Sorry, but the idea that you can arrest someone upon a mere accusation is false. Not in the least because: Now in this case, with fake injuries, this is more serious. Now there are experts who wrote entire books about fake injuries. All this expertise has to be used. Yes, and the best environment for that is in a co…	/r/MensRights	01/02/12 04:42 PM
1	Dumped girlfriend faked rape injuries It's already been done before: here, but not with the police as the actors. Hmm, interesting analogy. Would almost work, and you could use other principles in law like the "innocent actor" rule, which basically says that if you used someone (like a drug mule, for instance) that didn't know they were committing a crime, then you're still charged as the principle offender, despite the fact that someone else physically carried out the deed. Think contract killing, but where the contractor doesn't a…	/r/MensRights	01/02/12 04:40 PM
1	Dumped girlfriend faked rape injuries "2% canard" doesn't mean anything to me, actually. Do you have any quantitative analysis of false rape accusations? This is one article in the Herald Sun. And an inevitable beat up. Do you have any idea of the number of rape complaints and the number of those that end up being false? Moreover, how many rapes don't go reported? And also, I cannot believe you would argue that police training manuals are written by feminists. I had a good long laugh at that one. Have a look at the police's handling…	/r/MensRights	01/02/12 04:26 PM
1	Dumped girlfriend faked rape injuries Right. So, that's definitely the way to ensure more reporting of crimes: "Either we get him for 25 to life, or we get you." Sure, there are instances where there are obvious fallacies of justice, where people should be punished. But what about every other case that falls in the middle? Should they bear the burden? Also, he was facing nowhere near 25 to life. Rape isn't a tier 1 offence; you can't be charged with life. The most you could be charged with is 25, and that is extremely rare.	/r/MensRights	01/02/12 04:23 PM
1	Dumped girlfriend faked rape injuries At the very least, she should be responsible for what the police did on her behalf as criminal charges. If the police arrested, then that is criminal unlawful detainment. If he was jailed, criminal kidnapping. Already occurs under tort law. You can bring a suit in trespass to the person if you can show that the person knowingly used the police to commit the false imprisonment. See, inter alia, Dickinson v Waters Ltd and Myer v Soo; I don't have a lot of cases outside Commonwealth jurisdiction, h…	/r/MensRights	01/02/12 04:18 PM
3	Dumped girlfriend faked rape injuries I totally agree, but I don't think that excessively massive punishment is the answer. There's a careful balance between punishing someone for the actual wrongs committed in any given crime, and in sending a message to future potential wrongdoers. The reason the balance is so fine here is because rather than disinsentivising, say, bad things like bank robbing or murder, you risk disinsentivising approaching the police. The reason the risk exists, of course, lies in the mechanism through which you…	/r/MensRights	30/01/12 02:13 PM
0	Dumped girlfriend faked rape injuries Presumably the costs (read: pain and suffering) would have to be reclaimed civilly, as the criminal justice system just isn't set up for reallocating funds privately. He could sue her for wrongful imprisonment, and he'd definitely win, though I'm not too sure about reclaiming for the rest. Prosecution and jail time already exist for false reporting to the police. Long story short, they already exist. And are in all certainty going to be applied here. Is there any need to continually repost artic…	/r/MensRights	30/01/12 01:36 PM
0	Dumped girlfriend faked rape injuries And she's being taken to court. What's the issue here?	/r/MensRights	30/01/12 12:22 PM
3	Dumped girlfriend faked rape injuries That'll be an interesting case, to be sure. I expect the $300 worth of fines will stay, since the search warrant was executed on a reasonable suspicion of a crime having been committed (read: the police didn't know she was lying until after they had completed the search). And, frankly, I doubt MR would oppose someone being criminalised for things they actually did that were illegal, whether or not those things should actually be illegal. Anyway, the key in this case seems to be the assertion by …	/r/MensRights	30/01/12 12:21 PM
2	Dumped girlfriend faked rape injuries I just don't think that's true. Honestly point to a feminist that says that women never make up criminal accusations.	/r/MensRights	30/01/12 12:17 PM
-1	Penis burning wife found NOT GUILTY of husband’s murder Yeah that's right. A jury of 12 people (probably 50% of them men too) were fooled by a woman who claimed that she wanted to circumcise her husband's penis with fire. Totally.	/r/MensRights	25/01/12 12:04 AM
-6	Penis burning wife found NOT GUILTY of husband’s murder Her mental illness according to you is hating her husband....why didn't she leave. Dude. Her mental illness is a diagnosed dose of insanity. Probably as a result of being beaten for 20 years. Whatever the cause, anyone who thinks that you can circumcise a penis with fire and attempts to do so with petrol and a candle clearly isn't thinking straight. Moreover, an actual psychologist would have given evidence about her lack of motive. If I need a diagnosis on my mental disorder, I'll probably go t…	/r/MensRights	24/01/12 03:26 PM
-3	Penis burning wife found NOT GUILTY of husband’s murder Maybe murderers should rot in prison cells to save their next victims. Yep, community protection is a huge consideration when it comes to sentencing. However, there is absolutely nothing that suggests that this particularly deranged woman would try to circumcise anyone else's penis with fire, and in the event that she does, she would be in psychiatric care. You know, the type that she needs, rather than being locked up to rot in a prison cell. The feminist justice where only men can by definitio…	/r/MensRights	24/01/12 03:24 PM
1	Apparently in Vermont, the penalty for kidnapping, imprisoning, drugging, and raping two children is only threee years in prison...assuming that your female and your victims are male. Just to clarify, she seems to have pretty massive mental health issues. Not only did she suffer from fetal alcohol syndrome (which stunts your physical development), she also seems to have a slew of other issues, but they're not really detailed in the article. I'll see if I can find some more out tomorrow. Plus there's no evidence that she actually 'raped' the boys. Rape has its own definition; it says she sexually assaulted them, but that is an extraordinarily broad term. More on that later, wh…	/r/MensRights	24/01/12 03:20 PM
2	Penis burning wife found NOT GUILTY of husband’s murder Excuse me? It would have taken you five second to read the SECOND SENTENCE of the article which said the following: They instead ruled her crime - throwing petrol and a lit candle onto the back of her husband, Satish - was manslaughter. Manslaughter is a TIER TWO crime in most jurisdictions. That means in Australia you can still receive a 20 year sentence for that one crime. The legal specifics of the case, if you forgive me for advocating for the criminal justice system, is that there was no "m…	/r/MensRights	24/01/12 12:48 PM
3	I'm sure someone has made this post before, but i just noticed how sexist this was[x-post from r/wtf] Thankfully the voice of reason emerges. Most countries, (see Australia recently) have made both men and women fully able to serve on the frontline. Its a trend that definitely needs to continue, for all the reasons that people have described here and elsewhere.	/r/MensRights	16/01/12 05:27 PM
1	I told her if she was a man i would have punched her in the throat already. I think in a society with general law and order, threatening to exert physical violence on another human being will lead to you being "the bad guy". If you think that her behaviour is unacceptable, and is evidence of a double-standard against women, then tell her that, not that you'd "punch her in the throat". Sounds entirely antithetical to your goals.	/r/MensRights	15/01/12 02:11 AM
12	FBI Definition of Rape to Include Men for First Time This has already been covered pretty extensively. The most important point is that since rape isn't a federal crime, the FBI actually only have very limited jurisdiction over it. The reality is that most, if not all states have introduced gender-neutral definitions of rape. How effectively they have been used, however, it up for debate. Also fun fact, the FBI's definition actually has a necessary element of force, which was removed by most Western countries about 100 years ago.	/r/MensRights	06/01/12 04:41 PM
1	Hotel to keep illegal women-only floor K. Just wondering.	/r/MensRights	30/12/11 04:32 AM
1	Hotel to keep illegal women-only floor I agree, but I think the hyperbolic examples of racially divided rooms is getting a bit facetious. Seems MensRights wants either total discrimination or none.	/r/MensRights	28/12/11 07:56 AM
1	Hotel to keep illegal women-only floor Serious question; should all bathrooms be unisex? What about showers? Change rooms?	/r/MensRights	28/12/11 02:41 AM
2	Hotel to keep illegal women-only floor Most hostels have female only dorms. And male only dorms. And mixed dorms. However, they aren't reserved for a particular purpose; it just depends on how the bookings work out.	/r/MensRights	28/12/11 02:40 AM
2	“When I got my Reddit Secret Santa gift, I wanted to post a picture showing how happy I was with my gifter's choices. But then I saw how many male Redditors were mocking girls for including themselves in the pictures, so I changed my mind” Hi, welcome to the internet. Some people are dumb; ignore them and do what you want.	/r/MensRights	27/12/11 03:39 PM
1	Feminist blogger pays settlement of $13,000 to man she wrongly shamed as a misogynist Except for the fact that it really had nothing to do with feminism or misandry.	/r/MensRights	27/12/11 03:36 PM
1	Feminist blogger pays settlement of $13,000 to man she wrongly shamed as a misogynist But it wasn't used here.	/r/MensRights	27/12/11 03:34 PM
3	Feminist blogger pays settlement of $13,000 to man she wrongly shamed as a misogynist Most of the comments here seem to be missing the fact that she didn't pay $13,000 because she shamed him; she paid the money because she wrongly accused him of being the author of a blog dedicated to hating her. Furthermore, she didn't call him a misogynist. She didn't call him out because he's a man hating her; she just called out who she thought was the owner of the blog because it was a person hating another person.	/r/MensRights	27/12/11 06:44 AM
1	Little kid gets groped by a drunk woman in public. Everyone laughs and cheers. Could you imagine if the genders were reversed? My perception of feminism is that it is a hate movement and I have seen no conclusive evidence to suggest otherwise. Individuals with good intentions who are not bigots that are a part of a hate movement are still a part of a hate movement. And I don't see any evidence that it isn't. Your unsubstantiated assumptions and my (apparently) unsubstantiated assumptions can all have a big party together. Criticism of women and the unfair privileges they enjoy is not the same as anti-woman rants. Not pe…	/r/MensRights	23/12/11 12:46 PM
1	Little kid gets groped by a drunk woman in public. Everyone laughs and cheers. Could you imagine if the genders were reversed? Keep laughing while we get things done. No, good. I am 100% in favour of all of your positive platforms. However, I think your perceptions of feminism and, in parts, anti-women rants do you a disservice, and I'd rather actually understand your argument as a whole than let individual statements like "feminists absolutely claim this" stand without criticism. I think there are idiots who are feminists, in the same way that there are idiots who are anything. Throwing all feminists in with the men-ha…	/r/MensRights	21/12/11 07:44 AM
-1	Little kid gets groped by a drunk woman in public. Everyone laughs and cheers. Could you imagine if the genders were reversed? Lols okay then. This subreddit really does make me laugh. Also, you got three upvotes for that?	/r/MensRights	21/12/11 04:06 AM
-4	Little kid gets groped by a drunk woman in public. Everyone laughs and cheers. Could you imagine if the genders were reversed? Okay. Care to share?	/r/MensRights	20/12/11 04:24 PM
-3	Little kid gets groped by a drunk woman in public. Everyone laughs and cheers. Could you imagine if the genders were reversed? Glad someone agrees with me.	/r/MensRights	20/12/11 04:23 PM
-1	Little kid gets groped by a drunk woman in public. Everyone laughs and cheers. Could you imagine if the genders were reversed? Could you provide any evidence to back up your statement? Seems pretty hyperbolised to me.	/r/MensRights	20/12/11 12:29 PM
-1	Little kid gets groped by a drunk woman in public. Everyone laughs and cheers. Could you imagine if the genders were reversed? Fairly sure this would be prosecuted, as are most instances of older women having sexual relations with underage males.	/r/MensRights	20/12/11 08:08 AM
-13	Little kid gets groped by a drunk woman in public. Everyone laughs and cheers. Could you imagine if the genders were reversed? Sorry? I don't think that's what feminists claim at all.	/r/MensRights	20/12/11 08:05 AM
1	WTF! Why is MGM still culturally acceptable in America? They're idiots. Sorry, stupid people will always be stupid.	/r/MensRights	29/11/11 04:48 PM
1	Swear for women? No, I don't think so. You don't have laws for shared custody? Jesus. Wow.	/r/MensRights	29/11/11 12:39 PM
1	Swear for women? No, I don't think so. Lols. Its exactly the same dude; we really don't differ that much. EDIT: I meant in terms of societal perceptions. I'm sure our legal systems do differ substantially.	/r/MensRights	29/11/11 12:38 PM
1	Swear for women? No, I don't think so. I don't wish less advocacy for women, i just wish the same advocacy for mens issues. Absolutely, but this particular area is one in which the issue is far more pressing for women, given the vast majority of victims are female. And my data only lacked for America because I just don't know much about the location (as I don't live there) and the original article was from Australia. Women are portrayed as they cannot be offenders and men can not be victims. Its not all women. There are many women wh…	/r/MensRights	29/11/11 12:35 PM
1	Swear for women? No, I don't think so. According to those statistics, 1% of rapists are women. So a vastly inferior (but not irrelevant) issue to those who are raped by men. But male victims of rape do have issues having their rapes prosecuted. There is a massive area for organisations that advocate for them to be involved, and they are. But that'd doesn't belie the reality that by any measure, rape of women is a more pressing issue, only in terms of its sheer numbers.	/r/MensRights	29/11/11 12:32 PM
0	Swear for women? No, I don't think so. Not sure exactly what you're saying. Are you saying that in order to be comparable you need to have an organisation that targets only men? Because the claim was that there are no organisations that advocate rights for male victims of domestic abuse, and that's untrue.	/r/MensRights	29/11/11 12:31 PM
0	Swear for women? No, I don't think so. If you stopped to read the tagline: Stop Abuse For Everyone (SAFE) is a human rights organization that provides services, publications, and training to serve those who typically fall between the cracks of domestic violence services: straight men, GLBT victims, teens, and the elderly. We promote services for all victims and accountability for all perpetrators.	/r/MensRights	27/11/11 11:20 PM
2	Swear for women? No, I don't think so. You're links mostly pertain to Australia or countries other than America, though there are a couple in your links. Unfortunately none of the organizations even collectively would equal the lobbying power of a handful of womens advocacy groups. There's not nearly the support for men in America as there is it seems. I find this somewhat depressing. I don't wish less advocacy for women, i just wish the same advocacy for mens issues. I agree. More for everyone!	/r/MensRights	27/11/11 11:20 PM
1	Swear for women? No, I don't think so. Well, not only does White Ribbon explain their stance on the issue, but as below: Violence There's S.A.F.E (Stop Abuse for Everyone) Here's a list of battered men shelters Here's another Australian specific list AMSOSA (Adult Male Survivors of Sexual Assault) And another full list of services and websites for male victims of abuse and violence	/r/MensRights	27/11/11 02:53 PM
0	Swear for women? No, I don't think so. There are no groups that have lobbying support specifically for mens issues for: Health, Violence, Parental rights, Education, and many others. That's untrue. Entirely untrue. Health Men's Line - Deals with health, especially mental health The National Health and Medical Research Council Report on Men's Health Men's Health Australia BeyondBlue - Massive, nationwide campaign to raise issues towards Men's health, especially mental health. They run (or help with the running of) Movember, an initiat…	/r/MensRights	27/11/11 02:52 PM
-1	Swear for women? No, I don't think so. It doesn't really mention domestic violence as much as it does violence in general. And they acknowledge that there is more violence perpetrated by men against men, but just that some kinds of it are more pervasive than others, and that they aim to prevent one kind of that. Its also not asking that men risk their wellbeing to defend women; its just telling you to call the police.	/r/MensRights	27/11/11 02:05 PM
-4	Swear for women? No, I don't think so. Sorry, that is objectively true. Women didn't used to be able to testify in court, claim intermarital rape, or even claim rape unless there was actual physical injury involved (sustained when she fought back, because obviously you can't have rape unless someone beat you into submission).	/r/MensRights	27/11/11 01:55 PM
-11	Swear for women? No, I don't think so. Sorry, the responses here are ridiculous. This is a group specifically designed to prevent violence against women. It isn't advocating for violence against men, its just specifically targeting violence against women. There are groups that target violence specifically against men too, this is just one that exists to a different end. There's a difference between misandry and being targeted in your approach. An aid organisation that works against malaria isn't working for AIDS, its just focusing it…	/r/MensRights	27/11/11 12:23 PM
-1	Woman spared jail for biting a hole in her boyfriend's scrotum Not really related to my question. I asked to see a story where a woman who "claimed abuse" got off scott free. You showed an example of where a man claimed abuse and didn't. And also, if you look a little further, you can see that most of the 'abuse' he claimed was her threatening to return to Thailand. Its not particularly nice, to be sure, but hardly abuse. The only physical act involved was slightly damaging a collection of Star Wars toys. I'm more than happy to find injustice where it exist…	/r/MensRights	12/11/11 11:29 AM
-15	Woman spared jail for biting a hole in her boyfriend's scrotum Lol really? I'd like to see that. EDIT: But actually show me a case where a female murderer got away with murder because she was abused, and a man in a comparable situation didn't. EDIT2: My word, the downvoting machine is pretty effective here on r/MensRights. Make a legitimate inquiry, get downvoted to oblivion. Make unsubstantiated remark, TO THE TOP!	/r/MensRights	12/11/11 02:25 AM
1	Feminism Destroying America Well idiots like you are generally easily confused. Saying that both parents can add to their own separate contributions to raising kids shouldn't be a confusing subject for anyone. Right, I'm saying that their contributions are interchangeable. DUH!!!! Are you an idiot? If he doesn't want to spend time being a father to a child then yes he is fucking failing at being a father. For fuck sake that shouldn't be difficult to grasp. A guy who doesn't spend any time with his kid is obviously not bein…	/r/MensRights	03/11/11 08:47 AM
0	Feminism Destroying America Didn't say that. Misrepresentation again. I have clearly stated that both parents have the reponsibility to teach their kids morals. Right, but the absence of the father precludes that process? I'm really confused. Sorry but you are failing with this one. I never said anything about a nuclear family, I talked about dads not having access to their kids and not being able to teach them moral values. In the case of divorce I would like to see men get 50% of the custody as a base assumption and then…	/r/MensRights	02/11/11 11:34 AM
0	Feminism Destroying America Really? you need a specific example? OK, how about to not vandalise other peoples property. That seems to be a good one that the youth of today get involved in. (Also, I'm only 30 years old myself so I can remember back in the first half of my life how some kids were). You really think women can't teach their children that pretty fundamental value? So if your kids were caught doing drugs with other kids you wouldn't discipline them?I think its you who is talking utter garbage sir. Kids need dire…	/r/MensRights	02/11/11 07:28 AM
0	Feminism Destroying America Morals in general, hence why I said morals. Could you give an example? You do not teach kids morals without using discipline. Both parents need to be involved in it, absolutely, but it's just a point of fact, that I was pointing out, that men are generally bigger than women and thus have that physical presence. It's just a factual statement and you can't change reality I'm afraid. Pardon me? You have to discipline your children? Utter nonsense. And what relevance is that 'physical presence'? Are…	/r/MensRights	02/11/11 12:39 AM
0	Teacher sends 205 sexual texts to her 14 year old pupil, says boyfriend trouble clouded her judgement, get's off with supervision order. You're a classic mangina perpetuating bullshit feminist propaganda about the homogenization of gender functions. You are just as bad as the feminists who falsely claim that gender is a social construct and that there is no difference between male and female. In your delusional mind, men should be able to bear children and women should be able to pee standing up. That's not really what feminists believe. Like, maybe at the extremes, but breaking down gender barriers doesn't involve calls of "I wa…	/r/MensRights	01/11/11 11:59 PM
1	Feminism Destroying America So, let me get this right. Mens activists complain because single motherhood is damaging to children because they don't learn morals from male role models, but you want to hold onto a belief that the mans role is not to pass morals onto his children. Okay, first. What do you mean by 'morals'? I've never heard are more nebulous concept. 'Morals' like don't kill people? Be nice? Don't be an asshole to your friends? Be more specific. Secondly, I think its a parent's role to teach their children how…	/r/MensRights	01/11/11 11:39 PM
0	Teacher sends 205 sexual texts to her 14 year old pupil, says boyfriend trouble clouded her judgement, get's off with supervision order. Well for a start, this woman isn't a paedophile. Paedophiles target specifically pre-pubescent children, and while 14 certainly isn't post-pubescent, its hardly pre-pubescent. The explosion of Internet use has drastically complicated law enforcement as it has provided a powerful global network for the exchange of illegal images. For example, paedophiles can use the Internet to exploit others by exchanging names and addresses of children. They're actively perpetuating the abuse of children by cre…	/r/MensRights	01/11/11 10:52 PM
1	Feminism Destroying America If you watch manwomanmyth on youtube then he will eloquently explain why single mothers fail young boys in teaching them morals. Its because that when boys reach those rebellious teen years, its at this very point that they begin to grow bigger than their mums. Having a father in place means there is still a physical presence there to call the shots. Now I'm not saying that we should beat our children, I'm just saying that the physical presence is enough. And I am saying that that is a load of a…	/r/MensRights	01/11/11 10:46 PM
8	US states to avoid when considering cohabitation with a woman. Alright, let's break it down: Alabama A valid common law marriage exists when there is capacity to enter into a marriage, the man and woman must be at least 16 with legal parental consent and present agreement or consent to be husband and wife, public recognition of the existence of the marriage, and consummation. Needs: "Public recognition", "legal parental consent", "present agreement or consent" and "consummation". Likelihood of getting screwed: Extremely low. Colorado The elements of a commo…	/r/MensRights	01/11/11 06:06 PM
5	Feminism Destroying America What its saying is that men can no longer discipline their children, even if they want to. They are not allowed to teach their kids right from wrong and instead they are made the butt of the joke and made to look like parental idiots instead. So in essence it is a mens rights issue. Sure, but by implication its saying that in an ideal world all men would discipline their children, which is unimaginably negative for men, not just women. Also, it should be every parents responsibility to teach the…	/r/MensRights	01/11/11 05:45 PM
0	Teacher sends 205 sexual texts to her 14 year old pupil, says boyfriend trouble clouded her judgement, get's off with supervision order. Fine. Show me. One case. Go on. Just one.	/r/MensRights	01/11/11 05:41 PM
3	Teacher sends 205 sexual texts to her 14 year old pupil, says boyfriend trouble clouded her judgement, get's off with supervision order. And the upvotes will flow freely.	/r/MensRights	01/11/11 04:15 PM
1	Teacher sends 205 sexual texts to her 14 year old pupil, says boyfriend trouble clouded her judgement, get's off with supervision order. Sorry, you're saying that men that aren't powerful are worth less than men who are you? You're propagating more negative stereotypes about men than feminism ever could. Saying that men should do certain things, act certain ways, and dress to a certain likeness has the most parasitic effect on men, as they aren't able to do non-masculine things like raise children, do non-'male' professions like nursing, or even act in alternative ways, like not be manly or even be gay. And also, if you could dre…	/r/MensRights	01/11/11 04:02 PM
3	Killing Us Softly 4: Images of women in advertising Then why are men more likely to be victims of violent crimes. Because men are also more likely to be the perpetrators of violent crimes. Its not made up; 18-25 year old men are most likely to be both the victims and perpetrators of crimes. Source.	/r/MensRights	01/11/11 03:23 PM
4	Feminism Destroying America I'm all for alternative thinking, but seriously? But neither will they allow their husbands (or anyone else) to discipline their children. As a result, today's kids are growing up mostly undisciplined, unrestrained, and uncontrollable. Ever since our politically correct society decided that America's fathers and husbands were no longer qualified to be the heads of their families, our society has fallen into chaos. America's dads are reduced to being the butt end of every comedian's joke, the fal…	/r/MensRights	01/11/11 03:20 PM
4	Teacher sends 205 sexual texts to her 14 year old pupil, says boyfriend trouble clouded her judgement, get's off with supervision order. That's a bunch of excuses. If, at the end of the day, the judge is expected to give 'excuses' as to why someone shouldn't receive the maximum sentence for a crime, then yes, they're 'excuses'. Alternatively known as judicial reasoning, but sure. 'Excuses' it is. Fact is Could you demonstrate a comparable case where this happened? I'd like to see it. Legitimately, mind you, not even sarcastically. they would have devised a way to entice him to meet her. Since this was a woman, they didn't lay a t…	/r/MensRights	01/11/11 03:16 PM
2	Teacher sends 205 sexual texts to her 14 year old pupil, says boyfriend trouble clouded her judgement, get's off with supervision order. Can't tell if sarcastic... EDIT: Though not a personal indictment, just that text isn't very reflective of inflection.	/r/MensRights	01/11/11 03:08 PM
4	Teacher sends 205 sexual texts to her 14 year old pupil, says boyfriend trouble clouded her judgement, get's off with supervision order. Heard of catch a predator? How does years in jail, lifetime registry and national shame sound in comparison? Oh God, that show was so fucked up. not in the least because someone killed themselves over it. But thank God they eventually shut it down. There's not a whole lot of evidence as to the severity of the claims. I mean, she sent text messages, but Catch a Predator was always able to prove immediate intent to molest. As in, they physically turned up to the house and confessed as to what they…	/r/MensRights	01/11/11 03:08 PM
2	Teacher sends 205 sexual texts to her 14 year old pupil, says boyfriend trouble clouded her judgement, get's off with supervision order. Also worth nothing: She was also ordered to sign the sex offenders’ register and was banned from working with children for life. They are Catholics, of course. Not like they have the greatest childcare rating in the universe.	/r/MensRights	01/11/11 03:01 PM
12	“As I was cleaning it off, there were people yelling at me calling me a typical fucking male,” Apparently its not the first time its happened. And apparently the reason they took down the display was because someone vandalised the display with pictures of women: Co-owner Skylar Stock said they decided to take down the display Friday morning after he discovered their store windows had been completely covered with glue and pictures of women. I just can't understand the comment about him being male. I mean, using the word male as a pejorative term is obviously a bad thing, I just can't under…	/r/MensRights	31/10/11 05:57 PM
9	“As I was cleaning it off, there were people yelling at me calling me a typical fucking male,” They've escaped from...Halloween displays? Like Oompa Lumpas, but with a dash of Rocky Horror.	/r/MensRights	31/10/11 05:50 PM
1	Feminist bigot justifies genital mutilation of infant boys in the name of god and her sexual preference! You are repeating the same garbage like a braindead zombie parrot. I already said that Male suffering does not have to be equal to female suffering to be considered suffering. Why should female suffering be the standard by which male suffering is measured? Yes, I agree with you that both men and women suffer as a result of circumcision. But if you're talking about the degree of suffering, you really have your work cut out for you if you're saying that FGM are the same practically as well as prin…	/r/MensRights	31/10/11 02:49 AM
1	Teacher convicted of 16 counts of sexual battery, gets 4 years. Sure. I'm just saying that she didn't get off scot free. And I'd like to see some evidence. Find me a case where a male teacher had sex with multiple female students who were above the age of consent, and then we'll have a proper chat.	/r/MensRights	30/10/11 02:21 PM
1	Teacher convicted of 16 counts of sexual battery, gets 4 years. Probably also worth noting: Sentenced to four years in jail, Schuler will be eligible for parole in six month, but she will be labeled a sexual offender and required to register her address every 90 days for the rest of her life. Also probably worth noting that it was statutory rape, which, as distinct from other forms of rape, can be imposed irrespective of consent, which was probably the reason why they brought it under statutory, rather than common law, rape. I'd be interested to see some evi…	/r/MensRights	30/10/11 01:29 PM
1	Teacher convicted of 16 counts of sexual battery, gets 4 years. In Australia, for instance, the age of consent is 16. There are a couple of exceptions for teachers, but its 16 nonetheless. EDIT: Apparently its the same in Ohio.	/r/MensRights	30/10/11 01:21 PM
2	Feminist bigot justifies genital mutilation of infant boys in the name of god and her sexual preference! Hey doofus, you said the FGM victims can't experience pleasure or orgasm. I proved you wrong (Do you now feel like an idiot for claiming something you know nothing about?). I do, a bit. Clearly my preconceptions about female circumcision had been somewhat wrong (I thought they could never achieve sexual pleasure, but it seems that, at least some of the time, some of them can). I'm happy to have more facts now. But I still maintain that in 99.99% of instances, FGM is going to practically affect w…	/r/MensRights	30/10/11 06:35 AM
1	Feminist bigot justifies genital mutilation of infant boys in the name of god and her sexual preference! You can't honestly tell me that full FGM, where they remove the clitoris and labia, is on the same level as circumcision. Principally, sure. But practically? Really? You can, in almost every single instance, still have a completely normal sex life with circumcision; exactly the same as those who aren't circumcised. I have first hand (if you pardon the pun) experience with that. But the risks are far higher with women, and the imposition on their lives is far greater, in all but the most remote o…	/r/MensRights	29/10/11 06:14 PM
0	Mad Crotch-Grabbing Woman Faces Jail This was on MensRights about a month ago, with a reference to a much less inflammatory article from the Telegraph. EDIT: Righto downvoters.	/r/MensRights	29/10/11 05:58 AM
0	Feminist bigot justifies genital mutilation of infant boys in the name of god and her sexual preference! I was being deliberately facetious, sorry. I still find it difficult to equate circumcision with FGM. I totally agree that you shouldn't do it either way, but I still can't conceive that circumcision and FGM are on the same level.	/r/MensRights	29/10/11 04:57 AM
0	Feminist bigot justifies genital mutilation of infant boys in the name of god and her sexual preference! Fine, whatever. FGM is perfectly fine. Male circumcision is just as bad, if not worse, and clearly deserving of our attention.	/r/MensRights	29/10/11 04:47 AM
2	Slut Walk participant pissed that newspaper had the audacity to run her photo Sure, when they ignored her letters and posted vitriolic editorials instead.	/r/MensRights	29/10/11 04:46 AM
0	Slut Walk participant pissed that newspaper had the audacity to run her photo True. And she admitted that. She just wanted them to have slightly higher journalistic standards than to not ask her. She fully accepts that she has no right to have the photo removed, and doesn't even want them to do that. She just wanted them to identify her.	/r/MensRights	29/10/11 04:41 AM
-4	Slut Walk participant pissed that newspaper had the audacity to run her photo I think she acknowledges that, but a few things stand out, I think: It was a student newspaper, not a real one, so she probably anticipated a higher standard of journalism; She never complained that he permission was never asked; just that the use was unsatisfactory for the purpose of the Slut Walk generally; and That she expected journalists reporting on the Slut Walk to do slightly more than the minimum required of them by law. The law is good, and its good for the freedom of press that you ou…	/r/MensRights	28/10/11 06:28 PM
-1	Slut Walk participant pissed that newspaper had the audacity to run her photo Fine, whatever. You can define me out of the discussion if you'd like, as seems to be the tendency here on r/MensRights, but here's the quote from the article I was referring to: It’s tricky. Emilia wishes the photographer had used her face in the photo, instead of turning her into nothing but a torso, and she also wishes the photographer had talked to her, got her name, and perhaps asked her why she was at the march. In other words, give her a voice. Maybe even asked for consent. She wanted the…	/r/MensRights	28/10/11 05:20 PM
-3	Slut Walk participant pissed that newspaper had the audacity to run her photo Ya know, I've written thousands of words on this -- on every conceivable angle -- and then you "win" the argument with me by linking to an insulting You Tube video. Well, that's the kind of puerile thing we've come to expect from you folks, isn't it? Holy moly, the Borg are insulting? Seven of Nine was the bomb! Also, I don't know who you're referring to as "you folks". But the fact is, she unleashed the Women's Center on the newspaper -- even though she claimed she wasn't mad or anything. Wow! …	/r/MensRights	28/10/11 04:57 PM
-6	Slut Walk participant pissed that newspaper had the audacity to run her photo Care to share why? I've addressed everything you've contended in your editorialisation of the title, and what you've contended in the body of your submission. You're entitled to your opinion, but I would have thought you'd like to respond a little to contrary argumentation. Also, your comment reminded me of this.	/r/MensRights	28/10/11 04:25 PM
-9	Slut Walk participant pissed that newspaper had the audacity to run her photo Thank Christ someone else understands what I was saying. I thought I was going mad in here.	/r/MensRights	28/10/11 04:13 PM
1	Slut Walk participant pissed that newspaper had the audacity to run her photo You're misunderstanding what they mean by 'context'. They don't mean 'context' as in "lol this could have just been porn show me some background", they mean that they wanted the context of the woman to be shown. Slut walk was supposed to be empowering individuals, and the picture, in this case, conveyed the opposite meaning, since it didn't provide the context of the woman who's boobs they were.	/r/MensRights	28/10/11 04:07 PM
4	Slut Walk participant pissed that newspaper had the audacity to run her photo If you read the source document, rather than just that blog, you would've seen this comment: It’s tricky. Emilia wishes the photographer had used her face in the photo, instead of turning her into nothing but a torso, and she also wishes the photographer had talked to her, got her name, and perhaps asked her why she was at the march. In other words, give her a voice. Maybe even asked for consent. Further, she was complaining that the student newspaper for her University had made up quotes. It se…	/r/MensRights	28/10/11 03:31 PM
2	Slut Walk participant pissed that newspaper had the audacity to run her photo Actually, she said: I am not mad, at all, I just wanted to bring light to the fact that if anyone else had a photo like that in the paper without express permission they would be quite pissed off. I do not want an apology or anything of the type to be published. Then Volz proceeded to complain about other aspects of the paper's coverage; specifically, it allegedly quoted someone who was not at the event. At no point in the letter did Volz request a retraction of the photo. Doesn't seem too unrea…	/r/MensRights	28/10/11 03:07 PM
1	The penalty for making false accusations should be a prison term equal to the maximum length of the one the accused could have been sentenced to. I have no doubt that the current system has flaws that allow for at-risk people to fall through the cracks, but are you just relating here to testimony from rape victims?	/r/MensRights	28/10/11 02:34 PM
3	Feminist bigot justifies genital mutilation of infant boys in the name of god and her sexual preference! Circumcision involves removal of a body part. Okay, clitoral piercings then. They remove a substantial amount of the clitoris and clitoral hood. Or labiaplastys. Keep playing oppression olympics. MGM does not have to be comparable to FGM to be considered mutilation. Male suffering does not have to be equal to female suffering to be considered suffering. Fine? That's not what I said. I fact, I said the exact opposite; both FGM and MGM are bad. My point was that neither should be enforced on child…	/r/MensRights	28/10/11 02:24 PM
5	Feminist bigot justifies genital mutilation of infant boys in the name of god and her sexual preference! You can't compare circumcision to tattoos. Compare circumcision to circumcision. Why not? I originally said clitoral piercing; that's a process that destroys substantial quantities of the clitoris. Why isn't this the same? Why isn't breast augmentation? Or face lifts? Or liposuction? Imagine a man said he prefers circumcised/ genitally mutilated females. It will surely receive all kinds of outrage from the public. Female Genital Mutilation and circumcision aren't really comparable, though. FGM i…	/r/MensRights	28/10/11 11:54 AM
7	Feminist bigot justifies genital mutilation of infant boys in the name of god and her sexual preference! Of course. But that's not what I said. If she's saying that all male children should be circumcised at birth because she thinks that's better, then that's bad. But if she's just saying that she prefers circumcised penises, which I believe was the OP's outrage, then I don't understand the difference between what I said that her comments. But you included a reply, let's look at that. By the extension of your argument, you should never, in a public setting, make any comment about how cool tattoos l…	/r/MensRights	28/10/11 11:22 AM
7	Feminist bigot justifies genital mutilation of infant boys in the name of god and her sexual preference! What if I was to say, perhaps, that I have a preference for women with clitoris piercings. I'm not saying that everyone should get one, and I'm not going to hold anyone down and force them to get it done. I'll just try to have sex with women who voluntarily have the procedure done. Now, if there's a question that I would force my daughter to have that done, because I believed that she would have a more fulfilling sex life, then there would be a problem. But otherwise I'm just disadvantaging myse…	/r/MensRights	28/10/11 10:26 AM
-1	Orwell's Newspeak, and the campaign to dominate the word "misandry" I'm not trolling, but I'm just trying to work out what your take on this issue is. Are you saying that the word misandry is being created as a tool to oppose men? If so, how?	/r/MensRights	28/10/11 09:45 AM
7	The penalty for making false accusations should be a prison term equal to the maximum length of the one the accused could have been sentenced to. I'm disappointed that you're getting downvotes. The reasons behind someone falsely accusing someone else of rape can range from spite to mental illness, and its important that the courts have the ability to differentiate between them with the appropriate punishment. Not only would this law mean that less women come forward, it would also mean that less men would come forward, since the possibility of them being convicted for a false accusation would be monumental. What they should really do is m…	/r/MensRights	28/10/11 09:40 AM
-4	Woman serves no jail time for alcohol and sexual abuse against 4 boys aged 12-16; judge cites her troubled upbringing Can you imagine the vitriol if it was a male and 4 young girls? Can you see a judge looking at things like "alcohol and drug abuse, limited intellectual capacity, and a troubled upbringing" as mitigating circumstances for a males sexual acts towards 4 young girls? Actually: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2008-08-27/suspended-sentence-over-sex-with-12yo/489904 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-02-04/sex-offender-gets-suspended-sentence/283104 http://www.standard.net.au/news/local/news/general/suspended…	/r/MensRights	26/10/11 06:18 AM
1	Woman serves no jail time for alcohol and sexual abuse against 4 boys aged 12-16; judge cites her troubled upbringing Congratulations for being the voice of sanity in this thread. Have an upvote.	/r/MensRights	26/10/11 06:18 AM
-1	Woman serves no jail time for alcohol and sexual abuse against 4 boys aged 12-16; judge cites her troubled upbringing This again? Jeez. You can see the first submission here: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/lhxlg/an_adult_plies_children_two_aged_14_one_12/, just 6 days ago. Here are some highlights of my comments: First, let me clarify: I think the law is, in many ways, outdated and unjust. Its close in a lot of areas, but pretty far away with others. Sexual offences is one area in which it particularly struggles. But that doesn't mean that it is intrinsically corrupt; it just means that it needs to…	/r/MensRights	26/10/11 06:15 AM
6	Woman serves no jail time for alcohol and sexual abuse against 4 boys aged 12-16; judge cites her troubled upbringing Its just the legal definition of rape.	/r/MensRights	26/10/11 06:01 AM
1	Lesbian couple don't want to let son dress as a Princess for Halloween, for fear of teasing. FACEPALM But I do think it is a) sadly ironic, and b) moral cowardice on the part of the Moms. They are not bad parents, just somewhat selfish and cowardly when it comes to issues of gender equality. True and true, and there are many in this thread (myself included) that agree with you on the first count at least. But I suspect they'd wear the badge of being selfish and cowardly if it meant that their child could enjoy their Halloween a lot more than he would have afterwards. Being a parent, at least in …	/r/MensRights	24/10/11 05:49 PM
2	Lesbian couple don't want to let son dress as a Princess for Halloween, for fear of teasing. FACEPALM Just because his parent's are female doesn't mean he doesn't need one. When my Dad wasn't around I latched onto my uncle, because he was a pretty cool guy. FTFY.	/r/MensRights	24/10/11 05:26 PM
1	Lesbian couple don't want to let son dress as a Princess for Halloween, for fear of teasing. FACEPALM Would it make my job as a parent harder, when he came home from school crying because those little bigoted shit-heads teased him at school the next day? You bet. My point is this; your child (assuming you have one) shouldn't have to come home crying. Especially on Halloween. Sorry, but I would prioritise my own child (not that I have one) above any high and mighty notions of equality. Its the same reason you put your kid to bed at 10pm despite the fact that he wants to say up until 4am; because …	/r/MensRights	24/10/11 05:20 PM
1	Lesbian couple don't want to let son dress as a Princess for Halloween, for fear of teasing. FACEPALM Oh, the article plainly laid out their concerns. That doesn't make it any less bullshit though. Cherry-picking which issues of gender equality you are willing to take a stand on based on feedback from teens/early-twenty-somethings is a huge cop out. Oh pish posh. Four year olds are not the battering rams of social change; dressing your child up in a princess costume and showing him off to your friends and neighbours as the property way you should behave is incredibly short-sighted. And that's wh…	/r/MensRights	24/10/11 04:56 PM
5	Lesbian couple don't want to let son dress as a Princess for Halloween, for fear of teasing. FACEPALM I agree with the second part of your comment, but not the first. I think four is exactly the kind of age where you can tease a child, not enough, perhaps, to scar them for life, but certainly enough to make their Halloween entirely miserable, and from what I understand quite a big deal in the US, especially for children (though some of the older ones too from what I've seen from the front page). I got egged once on Halloween when I was living in England. I was probably about 10 or 11 at the time…	/r/MensRights	24/10/11 07:57 AM
9	Lesbian couple don't want to let son dress as a Princess for Halloween, for fear of teasing. FACEPALM No, see, she's not saying that its her or their boundaries that are preventing their son from dressing up. The world isn't simple; just because you think that everyone can be who they want to be, doesn't mean they can be that, especially when they're four years old and don't understand why people might react in particular ways. That's the point of the article. For instance: That's exactly what my college daughter said when I shared Luc's dilemma with her. When did young people become such closet…	/r/MensRights	24/10/11 07:52 AM
3	Botched circumcision requires 3 corrective surgeries. Doctor cleared of wrongdoing. Parents disappointed by the outcome. Sarcasm and trolling are entirely different.	/r/MensRights	23/10/11 12:30 PM
1	Botched circumcision requires 3 corrective surgeries. Doctor cleared of wrongdoing. Parents disappointed by the outcome. a) He wasn't an infant. He was 7. Not an adult, but certainly not an infant. b) It was necessary. A broader discussion of circumcision might warrant such an outburst, but not here, since it has nothing to do with this story.	/r/MensRights	23/10/11 11:59 AM
1	Botched circumcision requires 3 corrective surgeries. Doctor cleared of wrongdoing. Parents disappointed by the outcome. Oh, just the head? That's fine then. I'm sure a headless penis is just as gratifying as a circumcised one with the head still attached... EDIT: Woah woah woah. Sarcasm goggles on fellas.	/r/MensRights	23/10/11 11:57 AM
5	Botched circumcision requires 3 corrective surgeries. Doctor cleared of wrongdoing. Parents disappointed by the outcome. Its not a Men's Rights issue then; its a medical issue, where the victim just happened to be a man. Men get circumcisions, that's true, and women don't (well, not of the same type, and certainly not as qualified medical procedures). But if a woman had a botched pelvic floor reconstruction, for instance, then it would equally be a medical issue, not a women's rights issue. The doctors didn't take one look at his penis, decide that men were unworthy, and just hack at it with an axe. At the worst t…	/r/MensRights	23/10/11 11:56 AM
0	Twenty-three women convicted of child porn, only the one male is imprisoned. So, the circumstances in which an offender commits a crime aren't relevant? Obviously considering their gender as a relevant factor is biased, but there's no evidence that occurred. In fact, the Court actually noted: Nonetheless, the court said the women were responsible for their actions. The prosecutor had proven that the images had been sent to the women and the chats and emails proved the women wanted the images, it said. If you look at other cases of possession of child pornography, you'll …	/r/MensRights	23/10/11 11:10 AM
0	Twenty-three women convicted of child porn, only the one male is imprisoned. You missed the line right after that quote: Nonetheless, the court said the women were responsible for their actions. The prosecutor had proven that the images had been sent to the women and the chats and emails proved the women wanted the images, it said. Oh and: The evil and sadistic male "ring leader" used crazy psychological social engineering techniques taught to him by The Devil himself to entrap these women into accepting child porn pictures. Sure. That was totally in the article.	/r/MensRights	23/10/11 11:02 AM