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Ask TRP
/r/MGTOW201/11/19 08:34 PM
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Set some goals for yourself and make plans. Enjoy sense of achievement. Happiness is transient. Aim for contentment.
/r/MGTOW231/10/19 06:07 PM
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You have different options: Exercise power to stop rumours. You only have power over these idiots if you can make them fear you - blackmail or extreme violence. Threats are not power. Stop caring about rumours Redpilling the idiots Finding a new place to live
/r/MGTOW231/10/19 05:23 PM
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Why do you care about rumours? Do you have any interesting stories about yourself that would make a difference to this subreddit?
/r/MGTOW231/10/19 05:09 PM
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Here are two questions. Why do you care? Why do you think we care?
/r/MGTOW231/10/19 04:59 PM
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You're young. Look forward to moving out and starting your own life without these stressors.
/r/MGTOW226/10/19 12:53 PM
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You need legal advice. You got locked up against your will. That's abduction or involuntary detention. The sick person is your wife, who planned this and deceived you with slander.
/r/MGTOW214/10/19 12:33 PM
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I used to be disappointed, then I realized that my family was dysfunctional due to personality disorders that had run for generations. I've lost my attachment to them and don't have any particular feelings about family anymore because I can't fix family. Going no contact may have changed them but I had to fix me first and find a way of enjoying life without them.
/r/MGTOW213/10/19 07:42 AM
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If they haven't reached out to me through mail or internet then they're not that interested in me. I have no interest in women at this point and the guys who are married have gone dark on me. We're all online now so there's no need for a reunion. I value real, ongoing relationships over catching up with strangers.
/r/MGTOW207/10/19 10:13 AM
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HR is the female mafia.
/r/MGTOW202/10/19 09:02 AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Briffault#Briffault's_law
/r/MGTOW229/09/19 04:38 PM
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Evolutionary biology gives you answers to what function the concept of romance has in life. When considered in relation to human mating strategies, it serves a purpose in ensuring females can get male commitment to providing the resources, to ensure the success of their offspring, by being a function of pair-bonding. We know that women aren't romantic but men are, because it serves women's needs. It's a biochemical trick that evolution has equipped men with to allow for the perpetuation of our s…
/r/MGTOW229/09/19 04:33 PM
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Give them nothing. Ignore it. No need to invest any time, emotions or energy in things that don't matter. Women's opinions or feelings are rarely important in day-to-day interactions.
/r/MGTOW220/09/19 12:45 PM
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You need to maintain a moustache. If you're looking for attention then go for it. Otherwise, a full terrorist beard is useful as it keeps people away and you only need a trimmer to keep the birds away from nesting in it.
/r/MGTOW214/09/19 11:34 AM
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What is love? Baby don't hurt me!
/r/MGTOW208/09/19 02:19 PM
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It's easy, you just aren't prepared for the social consequences. I no longer justify, argue, defend or explain. I don't let people's projections and expectations affect me. I have self respect and don't get emotionally caught up in other people's mind games. If needed, I walk away from people when nothing can be gained from conversation.
/r/MGTOW227/08/19 10:54 AM
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in order to give back to my community Why? Are you a people pleaser? Do you need to be a do-gooder?
/r/MGTOW227/08/19 10:47 AM
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Let's not chat. Go away woman.
/r/MGTOW219/08/19 05:12 PM
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We're not a movement. You are just here to get male attention, as usual.
/r/MGTOW210/08/19 12:04 PM
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You're MGTOW and this surprised you? Stop dating or stop posting stories about the obvious.
/r/MGTOW223/07/19 03:41 PM
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Your DNA can be represented as a large number. You can transmit this number as a wave form to mulitple galaxies or try to encode it into the most permanent matter, to be read and later transferred to some new entity later. Or you can just reproduce like normies.
/r/MGTOW213/07/19 04:24 PM
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You need an exit strategy. Also, is it too good to be true?
/r/MGTOW213/07/19 04:16 PM
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I don't accept the conversation. I don't answer questions about why I'm not married, in a relationship or looking for one. Depending on the situation, I attack the person by questioning their motivations.
/r/MGTOW208/07/19 10:27 AM
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I avoid them and give nothing if approached by them.
/r/MGTOW226/06/19 05:01 PM
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The thought of her son living without her was too horrible. She couldn't kill herself, leaving him without her, so, instead, she killed him. What a considerate mother. Would not surprise me if she had lost custody and killed the son to spite the father. The comments indicate sympathy with the murderer.
/r/MensRights26/06/19 08:47 AM
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You forgot the part where RIhanna initiated violence by hitting Chris Brown while he was driving.
/r/MensRights22/06/19 09:04 AM
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Except Friends which was bluepilled and unfunny.
/r/MGTOW222/06/19 08:53 AM
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outofthefog.website/links
/r/MensRights21/06/19 03:27 PM
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92 was when I discovered FSP sites...
/r/MGTOW214/06/19 08:38 AM
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It represents absurdism.
/r/MGTOW206/06/19 08:21 AM
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Yes, and avoiding women, too.
/r/MGTOW205/06/19 04:42 PM
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Sleep well, hydrate, exercise, avoid excessive exposure to the sun, reduce stress from noise pollution.
/r/MGTOW204/06/19 10:41 AM
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Because when women objectify men, it's funny, to women. However, when men do it, it's hate speech.
/r/MensRights01/06/19 09:45 AM
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That's why mgtow and pol exists.
/r/MensRights31/05/19 08:50 AM
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AWALT.
/r/MGTOW220/05/19 09:22 AM
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"Closure" is pop-psychology.
/r/MGTOW230/04/19 09:02 AM
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Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG7T0G6Y3Mc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvyBwzkaBcs
/r/MensRights27/04/19 10:02 AM
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Letting my family control my life.
/r/MGTOW220/04/19 09:42 AM
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Subscriber for two years. Banned twice in two months. No explanation from mods. I'm done. Don't need r/mgtow to go my own way.
/r/MGTOW220/04/19 09:40 AM
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Why did they develop this software if they're not going to sell it? Fake news.
/r/MGTOW18/04/19 12:58 PM
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Gangbanged.
/r/MGTOW18/04/19 12:51 PM
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It's anti-Russian propaganda.
/r/MGTOW18/04/19 10:46 AM
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My life. 2 psycho sisters, BPD mother and cucked father.
/r/MGTOW17/04/19 12:28 PM
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It might abuse you and accuse you of roborape.
/r/MGTOW17/04/19 12:15 PM
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According to her, 15% of women's cheating is women's own fault. That's a bold statement from a woman. I've never heard a women take responsibility. She's throwing sisters under the bus.
/r/MGTOW17/04/19 08:53 AM
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Black guys, she's all yours.
/r/MGTOW17/04/19 08:23 AM
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Divorced, beheaded and died. Divorced, beheaded, survived.
/r/MGTOW16/04/19 01:32 PM
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It's all about her.
/r/MGTOW16/04/19 12:55 PM
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We have become a grandmother.
/r/MGTOW16/04/19 12:14 PM
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Contradicting himself. Don't believe a word he says. Picture tells me he's still a simp.
/r/MGTOW16/04/19 12:11 PM
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She wants OP's dick.
/r/MGTOW16/04/19 10:14 AM
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Men giving women the right to vote.
/r/MGTOW16/04/19 10:12 AM
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I see she's still addicted to cake.
/r/MGTOW16/04/19 07:59 AM
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They'll soon be banned in the EU.
/r/MGTOW13/04/19 02:04 PM
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Sad.
/r/MGTOW13/04/19 01:36 PM
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Once you have PrEP + vasectomy, you cannot get HIV and you cannot get pregnant. Dead wrong.
/r/MGTOW13/04/19 11:27 AM
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Another classic.
/r/MGTOW13/04/19 08:18 AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borgund_Stave_Church
/r/MGTOW12/04/19 03:47 PM
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It's part denial of men's ability to walk away and part confirmation of Briffault's law. Whatever the reasoning, there's no concern for the future.
/r/MGTOW09/04/19 02:13 PM
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NSFW
/r/MGTOW09/04/19 02:03 PM
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That's what Bezos thought, too.
/r/MGTOW09/04/19 10:45 AM
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Women are attracted to assholes. His arrogance makes women wet. White knights get ignored.
/r/MGTOW08/04/19 03:42 PM
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We'll just have to be creative like L Ron Hubbard. The tax benefits could come in handy.
/r/MGTOW08/04/19 09:23 AM
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4' 3" ? That's a pedo bait account.
/r/MGTOW07/04/19 11:17 AM
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Hmm, strawman and concern troll... There will be some of us that have strong feelings wrt self-defense, if attacked by women, but the majority of us don't want to get involved with women's bullshit or their white knights. We know the cost of getting into violent situations. The red pill rage will bring out dark feelings about past abuse.
/r/MGTOW06/04/19 06:09 PM
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You're playing with fire.
/r/MGTOW06/04/19 03:43 PM
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No, let her remarry and let someone else take over your alimony.
/r/MGTOW06/04/19 03:41 PM
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When you give too many fucks.
/r/MGTOW06/04/19 09:21 AM
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Paul Merson was lying through his teeth. The non-verbal communication invalidated everything he said.
/r/MGTOW05/04/19 01:55 PM
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Nice guys don't win wars. Business is war.
/r/MGTOW05/04/19 01:34 PM
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For a red pilled dude he sung a lot of love songs. People thought he was gay.
/r/MGTOW05/04/19 01:32 PM
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Change school.
/r/MGTOW05/04/19 01:26 PM
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Women don't make equal sacrifice with men. Bezos could easily made Amazon without her.
/r/MGTOW05/04/19 11:56 AM
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Depending on the situation: - Why do you ask? - None of your business. or Say nothing and just scowl at the them. Give disgusted look, shake head and walk away.
/r/MGTOW05/04/19 11:45 AM
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10000 to masturbate a camel. I cried.
/r/MGTOW05/04/19 08:29 AM
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The only answer is "GFY".
/r/MGTOW05/04/19 08:14 AM
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P Diddy knows.
/r/MGTOW05/04/19 08:02 AM
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This is based on the cost for a meal for two with wine and movie tickets. If you are Chad, you don't pay shit and bang for free without wine and dine.
/r/MGTOW04/04/19 01:44 PM
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https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/apr/03/english-judge-says-man-having-sex-with-wife-is-fundamental-human-right
/r/MensRights03/04/19 11:33 AM
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As an aside, Aretha's version of Respect is total disrespect. She took a MGTOW'ish song written by Otis Redding and turned it into a feminist's anthem. Fortunately, Matt "Guitar" Murphy goes his own way.
/r/MGTOW03/04/19 09:57 AM
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Is it possible to identify as women to get these bursaries?
/r/MGTOW02/04/19 04:12 PM
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Don't believe her. She's too old for Uncle Joe. Not his type.
/r/MGTOW01/04/19 10:10 AM
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We've reached Peak Leggings.
/r/MGTOW29/03/19 03:09 PM
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Some of my favourite porn stars are from Eastern Europe. AWALT.
/r/MGTOW29/03/19 02:59 PM
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It's bullshit. Nikola Tesla invented frequency hopping decades before her.
/r/MGTOW29/03/19 02:57 PM
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When are they going to drop Trump and Cardi B?
/r/MGTOW29/03/19 02:45 PM
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Peek and poke!
/r/MGTOW29/03/19 02:20 PM
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I've had two female COs. They were both fucking useless. Would have fragged them myself in a combat situation. Had/seen useless male officers, too, but not that bad.
/r/MGTOW29/03/19 01:47 PM
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You dodged s bullet. Their loss and your gain. You don't want to work in a place where hiring decisions are made like that. They have leadership problems when they don't want the best man for the job - go to their competitors or start your own.
/r/MGTOW28/03/19 11:19 AM
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Teacher got boned, too. She returned every year. Heard stories from my sister's male friends on what went down. Matched that with what my sister told me and the pictures - it occured to me that my sister rode the CC hard and has successfully done so in Brazil, Australia, Thailand and large parts of Europe.
/r/MGTOW27/03/19 04:36 PM
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25 years ago, my sister's high school teacher took her class on a trip to The Gambia. They all got laid by beach boys. "Cultural exchange".
/r/MGTOW27/03/19 09:11 AM
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You don't have to tell her shit.
/r/MGTOW26/03/19 04:10 PM
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Orlando Cuck still gave her the ring though.
/r/MGTOW26/03/19 04:02 PM
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Spinning plates in TRP-speak.
/r/MGTOW25/03/19 04:38 PM
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Twenty for => 24
/r/MGTOW24/03/19 04:53 PM
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They're aiming for India.
/r/MGTOW24/03/19 03:14 PM
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She's the abuser but tells the story like she's the victim and then women call her brave for sharing. No ability to take responsibility. AWALT.
/r/MGTOW24/03/19 11:39 AM
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Save up and get out.
/r/MGTOW24/03/19 10:45 AM
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She wants a cut of your disability check.
/r/MGTOW22/03/19 03:27 PM
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I may have misheard. I believed she mentioned voluntary celibates.
/r/MGTOW19/03/19 07:02 PM
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She mentions volcels and misogynists, that would be referring to this subreddit. Edit: I may have misheard.
/r/MGTOW19/03/19 07:00 PM
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They won't date incels. https://www.reddit.com/r/Trufemcels/comments/b1vokv/i_dont_want_to_date_incels_and_none_of_us_should/
/r/MGTOW19/03/19 06:55 PM
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"I have some sad news to tell you. Your mother has died"
/r/MGTOW19/03/19 06:14 PM
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He's a Swede.
/r/MGTOW19/03/19 05:33 PM
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People should stop living in the past. That thing with the sheep was just a phase when I was young.
/r/MGTOW19/03/19 12:09 PM
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Based on Cameo's Single Life, from 1985. One of the most 80s music video you'll find: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRsmpQRbeuM
/r/MGTOW19/03/19 12:06 PM
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No wonder why people are getting shot on Dutch trams.
/r/MGTOW18/03/19 07:57 PM
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AWALT.
/r/MGTOW18/03/19 03:37 PM
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Speed skating, winter olympics.
/r/MGTOW18/03/19 09:43 AM
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Some married men feel lonely in the company of their wives.
/r/MGTOW16/03/19 04:30 PM
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He doesn't give a shit, even when he's wrong.
/r/MGTOW16/03/19 10:06 AM
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Privately educated women sudden think they are intellectuals on par with Sartre because they got a ClitLit degree from some brand-name college. It's ego stroking to them to have been educated at an Ivy League or Russel Group university and so they think they belong to the intelligensia and ruling classes.
/r/MGTOW16/03/19 10:05 AM
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He's a chef, from Sweden.
/r/MGTOW16/03/19 09:57 AM
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“It’s really important to remember if someone ghosts you that behavior says more about them than you,” Dr. Vilhauer said. “It’s about their discomfort. You have to keep trying.” Hahahaha!!!
/r/MGTOW15/03/19 05:13 PM
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Political appointments make no sense to rational people. She may be a quota employee or an embedded informant. NGOs are often used for covers. Watch your comms, even online.
/r/MGTOW15/03/19 05:08 PM
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Ride a small engine (<= 250cc) for a year before going for the regular / big bikes.
/r/MGTOW15/03/19 04:57 PM
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Congratulations!
/r/MGTOW15/03/19 04:54 PM
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It helps if you look good, act like an asshole or your band is successful. Tommy Lee and Lars Ulrich had few complaints. I remember reading an article about Radiohead on tour - the short, nice, plain bass player complaining that he can't get laid, while their handsome, tall guitarist is getting invited to do coke by models.
/r/MGTOW15/03/19 04:39 PM
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Let them build their own rocket and compete in a gender race.
/r/MGTOW15/03/19 04:29 PM
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Upside: more time for modal jazz, bebop and Prokofiev.
/r/MGTOW15/03/19 12:21 PM
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Somebody gave her the job. If you attack her, you attack the people that has her back. Life isn't fair, get over it. Be fake positive back and watch your back - she probably doesn't have yours.
/r/MGTOW14/03/19 07:29 PM
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I stopped talking to family. Problem solved.
/r/MGTOW14/03/19 06:35 PM
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Why does a 50 second divorce ruin his fortune?
/r/MGTOW14/03/19 05:19 PM
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If he was alpha, he wouldn't need to pass judgement and he would keep his cards close.
/r/MGTOW14/03/19 02:24 PM
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She's monkey branching. Some poor cuck's problem now.
/r/MGTOW14/03/19 11:05 AM
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From the horse's mouth (Yuri Bezmenov, KGB propagandist): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLqHv0xgOlc
/r/MGTOW13/03/19 02:35 PM
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It hasn't worked in Norway. It's a mixed economy that's been doped by oil and gas wealth. Once the money runs out it's back to being a poor country with lowered welfare standards.
/r/MGTOW13/03/19 12:45 PM
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Agree. Marxism in practise has never been pro-feminism. Soviet Russia and Communistic China were always patriarchal.
/r/MGTOW13/03/19 12:42 PM
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It is strange that the Spanish Basketball Federation allowed this to happen. City councils (and governments) are not allowed to decide on sport competition rules, as far as I know.
/r/MGTOW13/03/19 11:54 AM
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Grey rock method. Don't supply her need for drama.
/r/MGTOW13/03/19 08:29 AM
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Plus landing fee.
/r/MGTOW12/03/19 05:40 PM
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Vivica Fox
/r/MGTOW12/03/19 11:03 AM
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You can't negotiate attraction.
/r/MGTOW11/03/19 04:23 PM
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They earned $14,242 per theatre on opening day. If they received the average ticket price of $9, each theatre had on average 1582 paid attendees for CM on Friday. It dropped on Saturday and even more on Sunday.
/r/MGTOW11/03/19 11:58 AM
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https://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/?yr=2019&wknd=10&p=.htm 1) They made deals with the distributors to get the maximum number of theatres (4,310) in the USA this weekend. 2) They starved all other new releases this weekend from acquiring enough theatres, to compete. 3) The average earnings per theatre / room was $35,499, meaning they got the biggest rooms at the high end of the ticket price range. 4) Most other films lost screenings, to give space for CM, and probably got demoted to sma…
/r/MGTOW11/03/19 11:46 AM
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You need to read up on Briffault's law.
/r/MGTOW11/03/19 11:21 AM
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It's psy ops. They've invented trolls to elicit sympathy and to create a pretext situation for changing their algorithms in order to deceive the public. Fake news.
/r/MGTOW11/03/19 11:12 AM
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They can buy tickets for the opening weekend, just like records companies bought their own singles to get on the charts.
/r/MGTOW11/03/19 10:49 AM
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We're too real for them. We are fifth wave feminists.
/r/MGTOW09/03/19 08:05 PM
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Alopecia.
/r/MGTOW08/03/19 09:33 AM
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She'll never be in a film again unless its porn.
/r/MGTOW07/03/19 07:01 PM
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Also lowest birthrate ever reported in Norway today.
/r/MGTOW07/03/19 06:53 PM
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She prefers the AVN awards to the Grammys. Unsurprisingly.
/r/MGTOW07/03/19 03:58 PM
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The timing of this announcement is suspicious. Anyway, it's their loss. Interesting response: www.particlesforjustice.org Edit: A somewhat reasoned critique against Strumia: https://www.quora.com/What-is-your-opinion-about-CERN-scientist-Alessandro-Strumias-claim-that-women-are-not-as-good-at-physics-as-men More supporters for Strumia than against: https://sciencecensored.com/cern-return-prof-strumia-to-office/
/r/MGTOW07/03/19 03:51 PM
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We're not a movement.
/r/MGTOW07/03/19 03:36 PM
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That's why she's a sign language teacher.
/r/MGTOW07/03/19 10:26 AM
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If you get accused of something you didn't do, evidence of your innocence is highly likely to be useful in the public court, traditional and social media, and even in appeal courts or with common law jury systems. Better to get charged with illegal surveillance than rape. You can also use recordings to sue your false accuser.
/r/MGTOW07/03/19 09:54 AM
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Opt-in requirement is a pretext to monitor ALL internet traffic. This is not about child porn, it's about totalitarian control of a population.
/r/MGTOW07/03/19 09:47 AM
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R. Kelly has been messing with jailbait throughout his career. You would think that he learnt something from his pissing problem in the 90s.
/r/MGTOW06/03/19 08:12 PM
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Always be recording.
/r/MGTOW06/03/19 08:09 PM
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Do you get a day's work without women around? If so, support the strike and demand that women don't get paid when they don't work.
/r/MGTOW06/03/19 08:09 PM
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Ours was a short fat angry lesbian with a shaved head.
/r/MGTOW04/03/19 01:53 PM
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Maybe in roller derby.
/r/MGTOW03/03/19 09:14 PM
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I stopped talking with them. They had no respect for me, so I reciprocated.
/r/MGTOW03/03/19 09:10 PM
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UKIP are/were astroturfing. The UK version of the US Tea Party. It was set up to deliver Brexit and now the mission has been accomplished.
/r/MGTOW03/03/19 08:59 PM
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Until she gets baby rabies, you're just entertainment.
/r/MGTOW03/03/19 07:13 PM
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So you can avoid them.
/r/MGTOW03/03/19 11:25 AM
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Going to pass on this one as I'm playing GTA and that disqualifies me.
/r/MGTOW03/03/19 11:18 AM
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The IMF might, but with strict conditions on privatization of natural assets.
/r/MGTOW03/03/19 09:26 AM
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Not giving a fuck.
/r/MGTOW02/03/19 02:47 PM
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She's got multiple orbiters. Creating and destroying worlds, she feels like God and the Sun.
/r/MGTOW02/03/19 10:19 AM
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What do you want to discuss?
/r/MGTOW01/03/19 12:20 PM
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This is the reason I no longer discuss politics or offer my opinion to people I'm not 100% sure about (which is close to 0).
/r/MGTOW01/03/19 12:15 PM
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They should close the agency for misleading and defrauding the public.
/r/MGTOW01/03/19 12:00 PM
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Record every conversation.
/r/MGTOW01/03/19 10:50 AM
5

You turned down a girl again?
/r/MGTOW01/03/19 10:07 AM
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Valencia want to ban the bus for spreading hate against women. https://www.efe.com/efe/comunitat-valenciana/sociedad/valencia-prohibira-el-bus-stopfeminazis-si-sus-mensajes-son-delito-de-odio/50000880-3911745
/r/MGTOW28/02/19 05:37 PM
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PsyOps. They're even posting to r/aww. Launching a film on Women's Day. It's politics, not entertainment.
/r/MGTOW28/02/19 05:28 PM
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You should consider SK in terms of being a US client state and a Chaebol-owned economy. They say jump, you say how high. BTS is the result.
/r/MGTOW28/02/19 03:52 PM
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The "victim" is the aggressor and the commentary ignores it.
/r/MGTOW28/02/19 12:01 PM
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Off the balcony.
/r/MGTOW27/02/19 05:37 PM
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Pure fantasy.
/r/MGTOW27/02/19 05:02 PM
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Trying to forget that one, and the Richard Curtis shit.
/r/MGTOW27/02/19 03:15 PM
1

LOL! AWALT.
/r/MGTOW26/02/19 04:16 PM
1

It's becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.
/r/MGTOW26/02/19 11:15 AM
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If you hear a girl say this, walk away quickly.
/r/MGTOW24/02/19 07:31 PM
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Alleged victim has privacy concerns about giving police her phone. Withdraws rape complaint. Victims association angry.
/r/MGTOW24/02/19 04:17 PM
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She's majoring in psychology. Doesn't know what love is.
/r/MGTOW24/02/19 03:48 PM
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Need to invade Poland first.
/r/MGTOW24/02/19 03:35 PM
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He tried that and now he's being charged for it. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26055197/patriots-owner-robert-kraft-facing-charges-solicitation-prostitution
/r/MGTOW23/02/19 10:43 AM
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Latina = fat. Loves Dad jokes = seeking arrangements.
/r/MGTOW22/02/19 03:47 PM
1

It helped me during the rage phase but it took away my drive. Sober/clean 5 months now.
/r/MGTOW22/02/19 03:03 PM
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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