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That's called stalking.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 12:31 PM
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Physical insecurity and feeling insecure are two very different things. Providing for one's self is concrete. One's self-image is not
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 11:24 AM
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The thing is, you won't actually hear from the ones that do indeed go their own way, happily or otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 09:57 AM
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Sounds like a good number of both men and women prefer to stay single. Not sure why OP sounds so upset about it. The one potential problem I see is that perhaps a population crash could happen. Hopefully someone with the appropriate math and sociology skills looks into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 09:33 AM
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More people and less quality. Why would anyone want to sleep with someone who was impressed that they are famous?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 03:48 AM
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A lot of people making simplistic assertions and blanket statements can't comprehend that not everyone sees the world like they do or has the same preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 03:39 AM
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At a glance but not for long.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 01:18 PM
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Other than wearing a burka, it is pretty difficult to hide if someone is really fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 01:06 PM
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If they are in really good shape then they obviously aren't lazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 12:59 PM
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I don't think it is deceptive at all. But I think too many people care far more about the wrapping rather than the package. Someone really fit will look good in anything, even if they cut their own hair without a mirror. Fitness, education, compassion, and being interesting are far, far more important than someone's clothing or makeup, which is more about status and conspicuous consumption than anything else. And like everything else, the people who have it don't feel the need to announce or fla…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 12:57 PM
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Why do you think they were all under the impression he would commit to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 09:47 AM
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Hopefully he did.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 09:45 AM
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How about no shame all around? How awful that they did the sex!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 09:45 AM
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I was standing around a group of friends once and realized that all but one guy/girl combo had hooked up and a lot of the girl/girl ones as well. And what exactly is there to have shame about?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 09:43 AM
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they think they are better than man that are far more intelligent, interesting and important to society than they are. I think you are trying to quantify qualitative characteristics. And they don't work like that, especially in a world where different people score others differently and according to different criteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 01:58 PM
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I think people who are successful are less likely to encounter women like this. Strong, capable people generally like partners like themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 01:37 PM
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Using your height is an excuse. There are plenty of short people with happy lives as well as absolute winners. Few people are doomed to a life of misery or being perpetually single by one characteristic.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 01:27 PM
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Mem don't protect women. Most violence against women is caused by men Men both protect women and victimize them. It isn't an either/or proposition.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 01:24 PM
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Like intelligence, the vast majority are part of a median. The people below and above average are outliers and few in number.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 01:21 PM
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Not being attracted to or willing to date someone doesn't mean you think you are better than them. Your initial assertion is false and you are equating two things that are not equal. It is an arbitrary rule you seem to think is real but is purely a product of your expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 01:18 PM
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Mine would resemble a dark haired broomstick.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 05:39 PM
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What's your point? That anyone can say anything online and we don't necessarily know if it's true or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 03:50 PM
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I think a lot of people in this sub, not just guys, live in a rather small bubble.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 03:34 PM
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I am not the internet. And sure, what they described definitely has happened many times. But the fact remains that we don't really know shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 03:25 PM
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That isn't Western culture. One could make an argument that it is modern culture perhaps. I think media culture is more specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 03:22 PM
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I don't disagree but I think there is an underlying reason why most of the people I found interesting enough to have friendships and relationships with have good taste in literature and interesting life experiences, although often very different than my own. And I don't think of our conversations as being particularly intellectual or brilliant. The kinds of things money can't buy turn out to be pretty important.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 03:19 PM
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People saying they did something on the internet and actually doing them are two different things an awful lot of the time. Don't forget to save some outrage for reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 03:14 PM
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I agree but generally attractive is not "the top women" or a "ten".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 02:56 PM
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Or it isn't about the quality of the people involved, it's the quality of the interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 12:41 PM
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Most men (and women for that matter) agree on who is ugly and who is generally in the “very attractive” category In the face and overall health, yes. But hair color, eye color, body shape, fitness; no. And while there is a majority who find certain types attractive, the significant minorities who disagree number in the tens, if not hundreds, of millions. If we lined up a thousand men's perfect 10, they would look very different, despite the commonalities of a pretty face and looking healthy. Alm…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 12:29 PM
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Most guys don't comprehend that if we all designed our perfect looking sex robot, the perfect "10", they would look very different.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 12:15 PM
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It's not a binary choice. I've dated people for a few months that I don't regret in the slightest, nor were we a good match to marry. Still was an enjoyable relationship. Some are still friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 11:57 AM
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It's funny because you think there are objective "top women". There aren't. What people consider the most desirable varies as drastically as people's values do.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 11:55 AM
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Nightclubs are a piss poor place to hook up for many people. And I'm of the opinion for even a lot of people who think otherwise. If you like dancing then I can see it being a great time. Satisfaction regarding a relationship, no matter how short or long term, not so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 11:53 AM
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Many people take a neurological/emotional/sexual imprint of a certain type as they grow up and come of age. I think that effects a lot of people's choices. And while what you mention is a factor, for some amount of people, it is not the only factor. While there are commonalities between what the majority consider hot, there is no universal ideal of hot. A lot of people are stuck in the mindset that everyone thinks what they think is hot. It's just not true. Nightclub. Well, that pretty much conf…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 11:49 AM
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I'm 30. It's pretty pointless at this age. WOT? That is generally not healthy. Seen a doctor lately? Nothing wrong with it necessarily but I very much disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 11:11 AM
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The average person doesn't bring a whole lot to the table. Most people, at least in the US, are boring suburbanite consumerists, regardless of where they live. And while a lot of them seem to be happy with this, it also makes sense that there are a lot of dissatisfied people.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 11:07 AM
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Useful in that case generally means interesting and enjoyable to be around. God forbid guys find a partner in crime/adventure that likes to have sex with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 11:03 AM
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Maybe don't date lame women then.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 11:01 AM
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Evolution tends to favor people who have a delusional, over-inflated self image. Human evolution clearly favored people and a species that know how to cooperate and work well with others.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/22 12:06 AM
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For different reasons and for different people, they are just as sexy. Mature men generally do not want to date 21 year olds. If you had said 28 and 38 you might have a point. Sexy is not just physical appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 06:06 PM
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She and everyone else in Hollywood/fame industry seem rather obsessed with their looks, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 06:04 PM
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If it was because she took up rock climbing and cycling, sure. Everyone's taste is different though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 05:49 PM
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Keeping a man or woman's interest can be difficult. Not everyone finds the same person interesting and it sucks when the interest is one-way. But that's life. I don't know the secret to making a long lasting, fulfilling relationship work for me either. I do know that it involves much more than being tall, good-looking, and rich though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 05:38 PM
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We're not just apes. Apparently we're pretty great at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 04:55 PM
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It's only crazy until you try it. Plus many people are doing saunas beforehand. I would consider myself a somewhat well-traveled psychonaut and I jumped into the winter ocean when hungover one time for the fuck of it. The resulting high was pretty damn amazing and lasted at least a couple hours. And I am most assuredly not one of those "natural high" type people. edit: Oh, yeah, I should mention that the hangover was gone instantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 04:53 PM
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It definitely isn't. Being somewhat interesting and charming will go a long way though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 04:48 PM
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In my experience it's somewhat of a mutual thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 04:40 PM
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This is so whiny and sad. Maybe the secret of being a Chad is being able to make women feel that way in bed. Being subsumed by lust is transcendent.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 04:40 PM
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There's very few things all men and all women like. Seems to be a popular activity, though hardly universal, in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 04:37 PM
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There are tens, if not hundreds, of millions of people who grew up with the same amount of family wealth and influence as those folks. Their families were all upper middle class to lower upper class. Not what I would call old money at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 04:36 PM
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Because most people can separate fantasy from reality and people like to lose control in a safe environment. Plus being the object of someone else's near absolute attention, desire, and pleasure is hot as fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 04:13 PM
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WHat happened instead is that taller, stronger, and more fit men OUTBRED scrawny men. Not immediately, but after a while. No, they didn't. Brains and the ability to cooperate have been selected for as much or more than looks since the dawn of agriculture. You might be confused by mistaking charisma for Hollywood good looks. Sure, maybe most everyone dreams about that. But they have families with regular people.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 04:07 PM
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Sounds great. More coathangers and toothpicks for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 03:56 PM
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Explain jazz, please. Something tells me Unwin was really square.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 03:47 PM
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If you think working 50 hours a week and having less than a months vacation, all while paying off student debt while housing costs are at an all time high is peak society, I feel sorry for you. And this situation bleeds over into both relationships and the arts. I get the feeling you are either part of the "successful" minority or have Stockholm Syndrome. And I'm not a Red Piller.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 03:46 PM
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and most of those 20 percent try to cope with the fact that they have to They don't have to. A Rabbit and a Magic Wand outperform 90% of that 20% of guys. They might think they do because that is where they have pinned their self-image and self-esteem but that is arbitrary. Although I think most men and women in their 20s have little desire or ability to settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 03:39 PM
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Is it sick or just a disconnect? Most people in their 20s aren't into commitment. And it often doesn't work out for those who are. It's a volatile, formative decade for many people and they change a whole lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 03:32 PM
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Idk how to reverse this trend. Decent pay and working conditions? Getting rid of student debt? It's not like all the other countries in the Western world have these same issues so they aren't inevitable.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 03:30 PM
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A healthy society needs poets!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 03:22 PM
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Smile wrinkles are a plus. Bitter wrinkles not so much. I was so disappointed when my hair went greyish rather than white. I was really looking forward to looking like Santa Claus when I got old.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 03:17 PM
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No, I often see them as the successful/optimistic and unsuccessful/pessimistic subgroups with the same outlook and I'm not a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 03:14 PM
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Yes, that only invokes compassion when women do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 03:01 PM
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people don’t like when you make friends with the intent to hit on them (more specifically women) or their peer group. Wait, people don't like to meet interesting potential partners for themselves and their friends? My experience has been different. Short term or long term, people are always looking for new interesting people.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 02:22 PM
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Agreed but one could suggest that the values that make the cutthroat working world so miserable right now are bleeding over into the dating world. Not that OP is thinking in those terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 02:08 PM
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More women than men gives men the advantage. And college educated women almost exclusively date college educated men, skewing those numbers even more.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 02:04 PM
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Great catch doesn't only mean looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 02:02 PM
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How ridiculous that people want to spend time and have sex with interesting and charming people rather than a living mannequin. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 01:56 PM
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Men's initial criteria is physical appearance. And while it is most often more important to men than women, it is not primary for every man. Values and not being boring are important even for brief partnerships. And that means that to many women, being interesting and charming is often more important than how you look. I personally could care less about some boring gorgeous people of either sex, especially those with typical good looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 01:51 PM
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Some people's relationships with themselves and others remain this way for much of their life, sadly. Whatever floats your boat. Most people I know want something more out of life, themselves, and their partners, even if those partnerships are brief. Also people like this tend to think of those scores in absolutes rather than realize different people are attracted to different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 01:46 PM
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This would entirely depend on which Red Pill guys one knows. I'm sure there are enough of both to give either impression. And some people include incels among that group because they seem to have the same outlook.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 01:43 PM
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Knowing how to do it for one's self is a big part of being able to orgasm with a partner. There's nothing wrong with using sex toys with partners either.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 12:08 AM
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know how to eat pussy This can vary a good bit between women. Although nothing can make up for a guy who isn't enthusiastic about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/22 12:14 AM
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Why are you repeating a myth only an inexperienced child would believe then?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/22 12:11 AM
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Can you imagine how dismal it must be to encounter the fifth guy in a row suffering from "death grip"? That's no more a thing than women becoming desensitized from using vibrators.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/22 12:10 AM
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or has desensitized her clit from spending hours on her vibrator. Yeah, that's not a thing. Women who use vibrators/sex toys are generally better about knowing what brings them to orgasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/22 12:00 AM
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More like a few decades. But yeah. The deterioration is no different than astronauts, just slower.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 11:43 AM
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Everyone needs to lift, if you want to stay active as you get older. Otherwise your bones lose density, to say nothing of getting weak and losing muscle mass. And it's easier to start before you are 60 years old.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 09:18 PM
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It isn't. Most decent people just discourage others from shaming people for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 05:54 PM
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There's no "should" here. Something FDS and a lot of red pillers can't quite grasp. I was almost always willing to pay for dates when taking women out. They often don't want to, and if I like someone, I'm trying to get along with them. Tussling over small potatoes is sooo sexy. /s No one is anyone to tell anyone else what they should do. Their opinions about what is best for other people are merely that, and largely a waste of time. I prefer to talk in terms of what we could do or what I like to…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 01:34 PM
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JFC thank you. Some sanity in here for a change.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 03:48 AM
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That doesn't sound like an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 11:13 PM
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I don't care to judge which one of you is worse. You both, along with many others, seem confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 09:46 PM
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I don't know. But a lot of people do. You seemed to indicate you do when you implied that you think men don't actually like women. That people in this subreddit, as well as RedPillers, incels, and FDS don't seem to know people like that or think they exist kind of points to it. Hence a lot of their confusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 09:29 PM
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Try being secure, aggressive, interesting, and get along and cooperate well with others. Very attractive qualities. Probably the most attractive to other well developed, healthy people. Asshole is a shortcut, but a limitation as well. Unless shallow psychopath is an acceptable end goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 09:23 PM
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Secure, aggressive people who also get along with and cooperate with others also fit the bill. But are more rare. They are both confident and also have interesting stuff going on in their lives. Attractiveness achieved, no asshole masculinity required. Women can be like this as well and it is quite attractive when they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 09:13 PM
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Aggressive doesn't just mean physically aggressive towards people. Go-getters who will end up successful are aggressive but, if they are truly going to be successful, also know how to cooperate and get along with people. Neither of which is contrary to being aggressive. Dominant and aggressive people can be gentle. Insecure and aggressive people tend more often to be the type who mistreat others. I think secure and aggressive people, rather than dominant and aggressive, are the most attractive t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 08:55 PM
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Or perhaps hyperfocused on a small portion of reality that isn't nearly the whole picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 10:30 PM
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People keep thinking a majority means universal when in truth significant minorities in large number disagree. Ten percent is a small percentage but a large amount of people in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 10:28 PM
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But these are just majorities, not universal, and people forget there are significant minorities in large numbers that disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 10:26 PM
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I think it is usually the time before they are married. Definitely the time before they have kids. Then again I was married and the sex life was satisfying.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 10:24 PM
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I should perhaps get out more, but even when I do, I rarely encounter these types, so I forget that people that insane are out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 10:23 PM
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It looks like being in a good marriage is better for men than being single and being a single man is better than being in a bad marriage. Probably likely for women as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 11:39 PM
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There are but I wasn't thinking so much men and women as community interaction. Most towns have nothing like those two places and now ours no longer does either.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 11:31 PM
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Both places had new leases refused. My town got yuppified/bougie. One was a community center, the other was a coffee shop/pub/venue that was the town square for news and interaction, at least among the artsy and weirdos.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 10:47 PM
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It's kind of choice. But less of one now that the good places where people gathered have closed down. And that happened long before COVID. But there are still places to go, I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 10:27 PM
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People talk on Twitter/Reddit etc rather than in the coffee shop/pubs now. It seems like there is a lot less interaction in person to me. Maybe it's just my town that has changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 10:14 PM
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FDS is about 250k subscribers. Holy crap. Did not realize how popular that sub is. I wonder how many are active on there regularly versus how many thought it looked good at first, then noped out without unsubscribing but are uninvolved. That's a lot of people to be that angry. edit: the top post has ~17,000 upvotes and the top ten posts have ~12,000. So the community doesn't seem that big.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 09:35 PM
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I specifically mentioned this for women's workplaces or the gym. If someone is having bad luck there, it might not be their looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 09:20 PM
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Which is why I hope that the cause of your inceldom isn't a mystery to you. Because it isn't a mystery for anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 09:15 PM
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Do you think all famous and accomplished people had kids or even a wife? I never said or even implied that I was. But did imply that obviously the list of people who lived good lives without a wife and kids is who aren't famous is even longer than an obviously already long list.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 09:05 PM
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I've not experienced this. You must hang out with shitty people. Although I have noticed lots of young men and women who never had chores and have no idea how to cook or clean for themselves. I've not seen it to be much different between the two though and women definitely are not being raised to take care of their brothers anywhere I have lived. Not sure what third world country you are from though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 09:01 PM
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I explicitly said it isn't easy. Get help. Seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 08:58 PM
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Slavery is such a big problem among redditors.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 08:57 PM
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Then why do women come here and have a meltdown in the comments section? Because they are a minority. I have no idea if the premise is true or not, and likely neither does the OP. But reddit comment sections are not a good source for accurate statistics. And yeah, obviously both incels and the folks on FDS have problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 08:54 PM
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A lot of these forever alone women or women embracing this ideology are not making nearly enough money to retire comfortably That's just straight up a lot of people, not just women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 08:52 PM
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But the point of getting into a relationship, if you're a woman, is romantic love. Are you saying that isn't the case for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 08:48 PM
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They sound so content.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 08:45 PM
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As a guy, I wish I was as easily satisfied as you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 08:32 PM
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Wishful thinking. Perhaps by someone who is soooo content being on their own?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 08:30 PM
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Russia's population does nothing but go down. People visit Thailand because it is famously hospitable, has incredible food, and gorgeous beaches. Women are only not high maintenance there if you are paying them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 08:28 PM
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They don't want to value men while simultaneously caring very much what they do. That kind of relationship with an employer is obviously toxic. Yet all too common as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 08:24 PM
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Elsewhere in his comments he mentions that he is involuntarily celibate but also insists that he is a Chad, so needless to say he's got some problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 08:20 PM
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I hope you aren't confused about why you are an incel. The list of just the accomplished people who are famous that you just designated a loser is very, very long.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 08:17 PM
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Women who complain about RedPillers and Incels are definitely thinking about them. Not when they pick who they date but when they complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 08:11 PM
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I don't think a loud minority of women speaks for all women and little about their contentment can be deduced from the silence of the remaining men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 08:05 PM
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How is it a proven fact? Living longer says nothing about the quality of life. And as for divorce, men are stigmatized more than than women for leaving, especially if kids are involved, and men are often punished more through divorce. Not trying to say men are poor victims or anything. I don't even agree with the premise.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 08:02 PM
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but women will isolate themselves more and be less vocal. I disagree. Women commiserate and complain to each other and in the media plenty.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 07:58 PM
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I’ve been single for about 6 years and it has been far more comfortable than being in a relationship or having a FWB. Sounds like a good idea because the guys in your circle sound like some really low tier men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 07:56 PM
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Maybe not most, but again, plenty still do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 07:54 PM
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You pull some really low tier men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 07:51 PM
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That is presuming a lot. I think plenty are not. And one can have a fulfilling sex life without being married.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 07:50 PM
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But not having a man baby to take care of actually frees up a woman’s time and energy to fill her free time with whatever her heart desires. Too often in the US that ends up being a job with shit work conditions and hours compared to the rest of the Western world, a long commute, and a cookie cutter box to live in. I kind of doubt that is the heart's desire for either men or women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 07:42 PM
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Maybe not in real life but incels do and many RedPillers seem to think all women are shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 07:25 PM
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This is the mindset of the people that build McMansions.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 07:23 PM
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But the argument is that people who think that they are great on the inside believe that they are being neglected for people who look great on the outside but are crap on the inside I would argue that maybe something is wrong with the insides of the people who think they can decide or judge this for others. If their argument is "I'm perfectly fine, why won't anyone date me?" maybe they aren't perfectly fine. And I don't mean on the outside.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 07:20 PM
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The Chads that only exist in some guys' minds? It isn't that different.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 07:15 PM
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They will? I guess I was too busy not giving a fuck about what other people think to notice.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 07:11 PM
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yes, 5'7 is pretty short, most girls will ignore in his 20's. Most may but that still leaves plenty of other women who will date them. I'm 5'6" and have never encountered a shortage of great women to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 07:09 PM
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Stop shoulding on people. People could do this, that, or the other If they want to. Who the fuck is anyone to tell anyone else what they should do?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 07:05 PM
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The incorrect assumption I see very often is that there is a universal criteria for "the best". And there isn't. Lots of commonalities, but nothing even approaching universal.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 07:00 PM
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Only for common and plentiful talent. And there are lots that deal in that. Those that deal in rare talent not so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 06:55 PM
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Plenty of Red Pill dumbassery as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 06:52 PM
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People socialized in person then. Pheremones and body language did a lot of the heavy lifting.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 06:50 PM
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I agree to a certain extent but I disagree about what many people consider universal to be. 99% is universal. 90% isn't because 10% is still a significant minority. The remaining 10% may be a small percentage but it is a lot of people by number.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 06:36 PM
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Not true. Women are not universally attracted to people who look like Chris Hemsworth or even him. And some who do find that type attractive would turn him down solely because he asked at the gym - or their work - because it's the sure sign of an inconsiderate tool who thinks they can do that because they are so good looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 06:30 PM
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Modeling agencies are still in competition against each other for talent and making sex a requirement is a good way to lose out on talent. Same goes for actors. At a certain level, casting couch type shit definitely happens and is probably even common but it is not universal.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 06:23 PM
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Some do. And it's still fucked up. I dated a young woman who I first saw as a cashier at the grocery. I thought that maybe she liked me but of course I didn't say anything because that's fucked up to ask for their number or bother them at their work. Or the gym. When we eventually met she wondered why I never asked for her number as a cashier. And even when I pointed out how that would be annoying for the other 99% of guys that she encountered she didn't appreciate the irony. But the vast majori…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 06:11 PM
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No, it doesn't. Because there's no such thing as "attractive" because it means different things to different people. The amount of people that have near universal appeal is small and they don't need to cold approach people.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 06:00 PM
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Probably not for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 05:58 PM
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For dating, go through friends, hobbies and hobby groups, church, civic groups/volunteering, and dating services. There are nightclubs, clubs, apps and services for hooking up. Bars are most definitely fair game for both. Approaching strangers in public is generally frowned upon.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 05:55 PM
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No, those are two different types of people looking for two different things. The amount of generalizing people do on this subreddit is ridiculous and the fact that they don't realize that explains a lot of the problems and absurd views I see on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 05:06 PM
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People who think that women are either sluts or cockteases in this situation. Slut is a pretty judgemental word but I'll accept that. But women who approach for reasons other than sex right away may do so for a number of reasons and in a number of ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 03:41 PM
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Being wanted only for sex is not that flattering and I would imagine being wanted for your money is even less so.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 03:34 PM
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No. People who think that way are just simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 03:32 PM
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No, have something more valuable than your pussy to offer. Many women do and they know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 03:22 PM
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No, we don't. The women we respect least are cockteases. I respect both women who will fuck on the first date and those who wait. Cocktease denotes someone who is dishonest about their intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 03:21 PM
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Do you view her as “easier” and therefore not wife material? Or are you attracted by the confidence and would want to match her efforts? It depends on how and why they are making the move. Like women, if someone approaches me and asks to fuck I'm not that impressed. If they approach me in a considerate and honest manner to get to know me that's an entirely different story. Are they desperate or not? If they aren't doing it out of desperation then I am generally impressed by their confidence and …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 03:16 PM
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What does the sex of reddit users have to do with anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 03:08 PM
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I didn't see any data.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 03:04 PM
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And the men who do that are rather pathetic and shallow. And often alone. The people with healthy relationships, with others and themselves, not so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 03:01 PM
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We mostly hear from the ones that are disgruntled. I would like to see actual stats. I agree that it is likely that more women are content. But I doubt it is as one-sided as OP makes it out to be. What's with PPD and sweeping generalized statements? One reason is that women's sex toys are better and also more socially acceptable. Get back to me when we have sex robots and I think it likely the situation changes. And I would not call the women on FDS "content". Many seem damn bitter.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 02:47 PM
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"You can't make sweeping generalization like OP did" would be the poorly made point of my useless comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 02:40 PM
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Not true. There is a lot of that going on, and quite possibly the majority, but it is not true for all. Lots of top models start their careers early and not all of their families are just selling them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 02:34 PM
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Rich people also want a certain caliber of women Wealthy people tend to. People who just have a lot of money not as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 02:30 PM
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People with character tend to want the same in a partner. Some of them are rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 02:28 PM
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They also hammer the idea of character into the children a lot. And set examples of stable relationships for kids while growing up.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 02:25 PM
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And because all wealthy men are not self-made or intelligent.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 02:17 PM
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If you mean from their employers, they definitely aren't..
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 02:16 PM
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That depends on how they got rich. Not all rich people are smart. Not even all self-made rich men. Self-made rich men are mostly shrewd though but even they marry trophy wives. Also depends on the age gap. People who marry for money get the pathetic life they deserve. If the premise was that self-made rich men generally want women who have similar qualities to themselves rather than just beauty then I would agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 02:13 PM
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If it matters, I'm a guy, by the way. I try to be myself. They try to `pass as 'so confident.' We don't try to pass as confident; we are confident. Not confident that we're awesome but confident in who we are, and that we are decent people who can be fun to be around. Not necessarily fun for everyone, but enough that we are good company to ourselves at least, and to our friends, and possibly even the woman we are meeting, who we are trying to befriend, not convince of anything. I try to be humbl…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 08:07 PM
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There's a contingent of size queens that insist having a huge cock is on the list of high value male attributes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 03:40 AM
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Exactly. Always be honest and if they don't love you for who you are, then they aren't the right person.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 04:40 PM
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But how many nerds to do see walking around with girls in their arms? A lot. Nerds don't always look like nerds. Interesting doesn't work if you look like a dweeb. But you don't have to be a Chad. And being a Chad may get you laid, but if you want to date someone worth dating, then being interesting is key, whatever you look like. A person can look decent without being a Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 05:26 AM
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Mostly no way because it's unlikely. I was being hyperbolic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 03:52 AM
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Whiwh is interesting bc another dude corrected me when I said men invented the system of misogyny. And he pretty much contradicted me by claiming that misogyny was innate in males bc even in prehistoric times, men were already beating up their wives. But I doubt that is the case. Cooperation and fertility were highly valued in prehistoric times. There was far more protection and provision for women and children than beating them. And I'm not so sure about the concept of wives either.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 02:38 AM
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Right? My life is too valuable to date women that cheap. Buying stuff is amateur hour. I'm looking for the things that can't be bought and she better be too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 02:27 AM
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Yep. Exactly this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 02:21 AM
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Interesting doesn't just appeal to those who are novelty seeking. It's how people think and how they engage with others that makes them interesting. It goes deeper than being entertaining or unique. They say some people like to talk about other people, some people like to talk about news, and some people like to talk about ideas. It's the last group that is interesting to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 02:18 AM
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I think tattoos are too common to make them an elite dating class, although they are commonly mentioned as something women like. there’s a girl at my gym who I can tell likes me more than her bf because I have both of my arms sleeved while he has only 1 arm sleeved. I’m talking to the point where everyone involved in said situation is aware of this fact and now it’s kind of uncomfortable lol. That's both hilarious and insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 02:10 AM
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I'm so sorry. Once I was able to bench press 300, everything fell into place with my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 02:07 AM
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Do the RedPillers subscribe to the penis size thing or is it just the big dick faction of FDS?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 02:05 AM
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How about any dark-haired women with curves like a broomstick just DM me directly?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 02:01 AM
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Only if they include their height as well :)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 01:58 AM
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I really don't think so. Not in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 01:55 AM
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She just mentioned living in a city and I was imagining a city guy, on the sidewalk, chopping wood.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 01:51 AM
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Most people I know are serially monogamous. People talk and reputations are important. Having friends and ex-girlfriends recommend you to others is great.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 01:48 AM
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It's not common among people I know, mostly because people garden, are outdoorsy, or DIY. It's an indication that they don't get their hands dirty, literally or metaphorically.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 01:41 AM
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not being able to live without fish Like, in a tank, or to eat?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 01:34 AM
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There are multiple on this subreddit, male and female. I was shocked at first, but I shouldn't be. There's all kinds in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 01:25 AM
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Sure but even then it wouldn't be the body count, it'd be the "recently retired from prostitution" that made me lose interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 01:21 AM
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Nothing girly about being socially progressive. Bunch of lumberjack-looking guys like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 01:19 AM
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In the city? In those clothes?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 01:18 AM
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When I see smoking, I still think tobacco. Didn't even occur to me they might mean cannabis.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 01:17 AM
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Do you mean smoking tobacco or anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 01:16 AM
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What qualifies as gun nut? Is any firearm ownership okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 01:14 AM
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Body count doesn't matter. Biggest quick dealbreaker is I don't date women who get their nails done. Although to be honest I've never dated or been interested in anyone who has their nails done, so it's never been an issue. Anyone who is either impressed or cares about what kind of car I own, other than liking an electric for ecological reasons. Last person I dated was very successful and I was really impressed that she wore jeans and tshirts and owned an old tiny pickup. Most women in her posit…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 01:12 AM
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No, not for funsies. Just to keep everyone in line and competing economically. Our money and our culture is why people love us though. And our friendliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 12:47 AM
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It's just not what people look for first thing. It's no different than being short. Some people will be fine with it but most tend to prefer guys 5'10' to 6'4". No one is asking anyone to die. I'm short. I manage to live with it. Still plenty of people to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 12:45 AM
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I thought this was commonly known. People were decidedly not puritanical at that time.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 12:40 AM
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Generally as soon as she was pregnant is when they would get married. And it was very much in her interest to know who the father was to know he was fertile as well. Virginity was not valued, fertility was.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 12:29 AM
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Weird. I thought it was our ridiculously large economy and massive cultural exports that do it. Iraq did not endear us to anyone. Even Vietnam is a trading partner now. Our military excursions have been both bad ideas and have not helped. Why do people love us? Because we've got a huge economy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 12:22 AM
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...and shrinking. Invading other countries is the only way Russia can stay relevant because otherwise it's too much of a loser to trade for anything. It's only economy comes form stuff they dig out of the ground, like 3rd world country.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 12:11 AM
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No, from the show. Al would call them that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 12:02 AM
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Weird that I've not had a problem with it in relationships then. Just fucking lots of people without being in relationships is a red flag but most people don't do that. Sure, people can lie, but most people aren't good at lying long term. Both trustworthy and untrustworthy people tend to have patterns in their life. You look for the signs that they are trustworthy and good at forming relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 12:01 AM
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In a WW3 scenario, I see patriotism being back on the menu. I generally have disdain for government, especially the US government but I would be Red White and Blue come a war with Russia.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 11:57 PM
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Its economy is the size of Italy's. Its population and technological relevance is dwindling. There is nothing worth taking or going to war for. Not for stuff we can buy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 11:55 PM
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He's got 20 years on me but would still judo slam my ass. He's pretty goddamn Alpha, and I don't usually use that term seriously. He's ruthless and savvy for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 11:53 PM
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Their cellphones would give away their location. You can't just pretend no one can find you nowadays. In WW1 women publicly shamed and humiliated military aged men who were not in uniform, a very authoritarian role.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 11:49 PM
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Yes, by numbers. And authoritarians tend to skew the dating scene towards men when they have the chance. BUT considering women are enjoying some amount of freedom now, with the large numbers of women outnumbering men, what if women started taking an authoritarian role in the ashes of Armageddon? What would that look like? I'm guessing not a land of flowers and ecological utopia like some folks in FDSland claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 11:46 PM
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For what? What interest would anybody have with invading Russia? People give zero fucks about it. Invading was the only way they can pretend they aren't an irrelevant backwater. There is absolutely nothing in Russia that anyone wants, and if they did, they can buy it. Western countries actually have real money to purchase things, in currencies people want.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 11:42 PM
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You must be joking. They all have armies. There are requirements to be in NATO.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 11:36 PM
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The soldier looking to hookup, in the scenario I was imagining. Like the old partisan tactic.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 11:33 PM
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That's why people care more if someone cheated and if they can form meaningful relationships than how many people they had sex with. I get it, you are insecure. People generally stick with good partners rather than find a stranger. People know this, and good partners are not worried their SO will stray.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 11:32 PM
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In every culture for thousands of years women that haven’t been with other men are more valued, period. Ridiculous. People waited until women were pregnant to get married in the Middle Ages for a reason. Fertility has been valued over chastity for forever and a day.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 11:29 PM
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Most men are fine with that. Even feminist men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 11:26 PM
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I'd upvote you twice if I could. Both points are on point. Get out to the primaries, informed, with a friend in tow.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 11:24 PM
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Yep. A bunch in my town. We like immigrants in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 11:23 PM
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The ultimate catfish. But you dead, so you can't complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 11:21 PM
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The thing is, all those Warsaw Pact countries got out as soon as they could. And haven't looked back. Amazing what happens when you just let people choose what they want to do. No one had any interest in invading Russia. At this rate it will be giving itself away in a decade and still getting no takers. Although Russia might be able to sell the East to China, if China is feeling generous and doesn't just take it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 11:21 PM
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Weird that they would choose people with modern, very untraditional sensibilities. Why do you think? Just a looks thing? I have to say, I don't notice Slavic men being any more attractive than Germanic/Nordic men. Or vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 11:16 PM
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Disgusting by any metric.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 11:13 PM
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Wow. I think Russian is a beautiful language when spoken. I haven't really heard the others. And I really like the Russian accent too. At least we won't be fighting over dates :)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 10:59 PM
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Qualifications like that can be waived away at any point. No, they can't and NATO countries wouldn't even if they could. NATO has not expanded into the East. These are excuses of a warmongering country. Democratic nations are allowed to make defensive pacts. Cuba was an entirely different matter. The US only cared when they put nukes there and it the US' fault because they put them in Turkey first. We could care less what countries Russia supports, does business with, and makes friends with. Whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 10:57 PM
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Lol. Militarily the EU could easily take on Russia without any US help. It's not even a serious question. Nukes are the only reason anyone takes Russia seriously. It's economy is the size of Italy's. Its population is dwindling along with its technological and economic relevance. Eastern Russia is just Northern China waiting to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 10:52 PM
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I think people in the US would. I worry more about Germany's resolve. The US would get the brunt of any nuclear attack among NATO countries, although Germany and the Baltic's proximity to Russia would still effect them considerably. The only winners would be China and India.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 10:42 PM
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That's great and all but that was about as realistic as joining the EU. A very long term goal. They didn't even qualify because of the disputed territory and conflict with Russia. So even though he did that, there was no possibility that they were going to join NATO.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 10:38 PM
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Ukraine was not about to, never was going to, and has not been qualified to join NATO.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 10:16 PM
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I picked it up from the tv show Deadwood. 19th century slur for Germanic/Nordic people.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 10:13 PM
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Yours may be. If you like it like that, all the better. It's a perfectly valid choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 10:11 PM
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I would.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 10:09 PM
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No one put bases in Ukraine. There's no excuse for the invasion and no honest way of putting this on anyone but the Russian government. "But did you see the way Ukraine was dressed?"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 10:06 PM
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No one is stopping you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 10:03 PM
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All three of those countries are Slavic. Poland isn't that much more "Western" than Ukraine. But yeah, poor Poles. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 10:01 PM
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Any attack on a NATO country and things get very real, very quick. I think most countries realize this and that is why the economic screws will be put to Russia. No one wants a strong, warlike, unpredictable state around.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 09:58 PM
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If it's woman on woman, that's some quality entertainment. I generally find Slavic women much more attractive than squareheads. With that horribly sexist, insensitive, non PC comment out of the way, I am very concerned for Ukraine, as well as the Russian people who have to deal with their sad, fucked up, war-mongering government. Not sure what can be said regarding this in a PurplePill Debate subreddit though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 09:56 PM
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Yes, you might think that but you are also batshit crazy and/or conducting some kind of weird social media experiment, so I take your comments with less than a grain of salt.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 09:44 PM
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I think the majority of men looking for long term relationships would prefer that the woman they choose hasn’t slept around all over town. Could be. I'm more concerned with how and why they slept with the people they did than the number. Regarding LTRs, I think most men do not care if a woman has slept all over town. But then again, the town matters. I'd prefer 100 guys all over the country rather than in a single town.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 09:37 PM
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Same planet, very different experiences. Conceptually different worlds, different frames of reference, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 09:30 PM
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Mature, healthy people are truthful about their sex lives. It's just that body count isn't a very good metric to learn anything useful about a person, so most people don't talk about it. But they do talk about past sex experiences, what they liked, what they didn't like, what was funny/shocking/weird etc. Virginity is a made up and fictional concept entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 09:29 PM
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I just said that we don't lie about how many people we sleep with. I have no idea what you are even talking about. What is that something and why do I need to measure it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 09:12 PM
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Speak for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 09:10 PM
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Are men honest about their sex lives? Some, yes. Especially as relationships grow. I'm not marrying someone unless I know they are willing to help me get rid of the bodies, if it came to that. An exaggeration, but you get the idea. Most partners and I have been very honest about our sex lives and our "deviance".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 09:08 PM
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Must prove what is tangible? And why must I?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 08:59 PM
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In relation to what?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 08:57 PM
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Good sex and good relationships don't lie. Proof is in the pudding. I highly suggest looking at what the happy people having good sex do. Body counts are only tangentially related.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 08:55 PM
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Most partners I have been with have zero problem talking about sex. Probably why they are having sex, having good sex, and having it with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 08:52 PM
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Wtf does that mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 08:51 PM
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The kid at school that gets bullied isnt sleeping with all the girls. We most certainly are. Things change a lot after high school. I was a late bloomer. I made up for that. Ugly guys? not so much, especially ugly on the inside. Fat guys? Less common for sure. Short guys? Still finding plenty of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 08:51 PM
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Then there should be no issue talking about past exes and experiences and all that. No. Generally there isn't. And it does matter. How they handled past relationships and what they learned most definitely matters. And yes, generally discussing sex is pretty positive, unless it is one of the (all too frequent) times when women are telling me about abuse or rape. I'm guessing this is new territory for you. People talking openly about sex and sexual experiences is normal and healthy. And not a caus…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 08:47 PM
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People are honest regarding what has worked well in the past and what they like. They don't directly compare people though or rate people compared to past partners. That has nothing to do with honesty. It's about good communication and tact.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 08:37 PM
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The one where secure, mature people don't lie about everything and are confident enough to approach each other as equals. You sound like you come from a sad, dark little world.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 08:31 PM
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The way women talk about sex makes most men, even the very open-minded, blush. It's a good quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 08:24 PM
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I'm pretty sure women are not the main ones policing this. And the ones who are are puritanical losers that the women (and men) who are having good sex ignore.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 08:22 PM
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They don't avoid so much as it's a meaningless metric that no one is concerned about. Bringing it up is a glaring indication that someone doesn't understand what actually makes relationships and sexual relationships work well. And that they have serious hangups and are immature..
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 08:21 PM
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Everyone lies about their sexual history. No, we don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 08:15 PM
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They don't avoid it, it just isn't interesting or pertinent, compared to people's other attitudes and history. I, a guy, care about qualities, not quantities. Do they sound like they know what good sex is and how to have it? Do they have the qualities necessary for either a good lay or a good relationship? These are far more of interest to me and far more relevant. And people rarely develop them without having some sex and experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 08:14 PM
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If a woman actually believes "only insecure" men care about their sexual history, then usually she doesn't lie about it. Unless she thinks you are insecure and either wants to get laid or still thinks you are worth getting to know anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 08:11 PM
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The necessity of student loans is a crime. Men and women both bitch about it, and for good reason. It's a form of indentured servitude and mostly found in the US. If the rest of the Western world manages without them, why can't we?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 08:02 PM
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And a BIG part of being attractive is being interesting. Interesting alone can often get men sex. Interesting plus stable, successful gets relationships. fit, well put together, good career, gets out, has his own place One can have all those and still be a boring tool.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 07:55 PM
1

Physicians Assistant
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 07:49 PM
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I'm pretty sure it works for most interesting men. Including short "femboys". Maybe start by not thinking like the kind of person who uses the word "femboy".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 07:47 PM
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I find it hilarious that guys think someone on the Olympic podium is any more attractive to women than pretty much any swimmer on a college team.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 07:42 PM
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No, I think most women get it. They do the same, when they want, which is less than men, because short term hookups are less satisfying for women and women's sex toys are more satisfying. I think men and women are equally okay living without a relationship, despite what postings on Reddit might indicate.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 07:34 PM
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I agree but statistics don't speak to contentedness though. That the poster you replied to thinks the criteria he mentioned somehow speaks to the person being interesting or a desirable partner shows how out of touch he is with what people want. I think men are just as content as women to not have a relationship though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 07:18 PM
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Amazing Olympic display of mental gymnastics. You seriously think the process of 'wait for the right moment to walk up to her, dress right, right eye contact, right posture, right conversation topics, right body language, interested but not too interested, funny but not goofy, respectable but not serious, thread the needle thread the needle thread the needle' of a man approaching a woman, is just as much a burden as the woman sitting there and existing (like an object) and reacting to the man's …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 07:11 PM
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Also, as I mentioned elsewhere, women didn't used to have all the options that single life now allows, like a career, their very own credit card !, a lease or home in their own name, any kind of social status, etc. Both men and women have options, and they are using them. Which is great. Despite a loud minority of whiners of both sexes that aren't finding what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 06:58 PM
1

They aren't buying the car, they are taking it for a ride.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 06:48 PM
0

They are fucking him. So what? That is only them getting sex, not being a good match. It involves an entirely different set of criteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 06:43 PM
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They are really cool guys and really nice Are they cool? None of what you mentioned means they are interesting in any way. Often being successful in the modern world almost necessitates being pretty boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 06:42 PM
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Seems like a valid choice to me. The idea of settling for a boring life one doesn't want is ideally put off until all other more interesting options have been exhausted. Many men are doing the same. I just see men (edit: and women) who are buying into this boring as fuck corporate world being shocked that it doesn't necessarily attract a the women partner they thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 06:36 PM
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Crazy, when they could be with someone like you...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 06:32 PM
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Both can be true. Although effeminate isn't nearly as much the complaint as FDS or RedPill would make it seem. Boring though, well, more men would do well to realize what a big female boner killer that is. Not that women are that interesting. Most people's lives have been reduced to boring these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 06:29 PM
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That doesn't make a person interesting nor does it mean he has good values. "Lives in the gym" is not an attractive quality or interesting feature to most people. And what guys think "looks like a god" is not as attractive to women, nor to as many women, as they think. Taller than 6'4" is an oddity and does not attract a lot of people. That you don't realize any of this shows how incredibly out of touch you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 06:24 PM
1

Women carry dead weight men as well. That dynamic goes both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 06:20 PM
1

It was generally a better deal for men than women though and women's life choices both with and without a man were much more limited. Nowadays, women can have the same choices that guys have but those choices also suck worse than in the past. That there is lots of dissatisfaction with modern life is not surprising.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 06:12 PM
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Any more so than men? Why do you think so? I think men are more likely to look for hookups while being alone and I don't think they are necessarily any more likely to look for a relationship than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 06:08 PM
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I'm 6'4, multiple 6 figure earner, fit, socially calibrated. You can have all this, and more, and still be a boring tool.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 06:04 PM
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I think you are underestimating how much being interesting matters to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 06:03 PM
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Nothing about how he described them makes them seem interesting necessarily. Women like interesting. Nowadays, I think having one's shit together heavily favors boring. Many careers necessitate it. Thinking that having one's shit together makes one attractive seems rather superficial to me. And for all the fit people you know, there are more overweight people now than in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 05:53 PM
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It's not that, it's that they find interesting far more attractive than being super fit, especially weightlifting fit. Weightlifting culture, as healthy as it is, and it's not always that healthy, is boring and attracts a lot of tools. People in the outdoor community tend to be a lot more interesting. And have a more attractive physique to women. But that is a culture that doesn't provide a lot of well-paying jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 05:45 PM
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A well put together, friendly, confident 6/10 man That doesn't make a person interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 05:40 PM
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I think men are less willing to allow women to hijack their time nowadays. It used to be taken for granted that women budgeted the time more often in relationships and men went along.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 05:39 PM
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I have a decent career, own my house and have an 800+ credit score. How fascinating! Tell me more! /s I wouldn't be able to stay in shape and eat healthy as easily. Fitter, happier, more productive...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 05:36 PM
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There are less men and women who are not overweight. And I think that doesn't necessarily mean that more people find overweight people attractive. I think it is quite likely that both men and women are finding more of the opposite sex less attractive. Also, being poor was a lot less boring in the past. You could be poor, interesting, and get up to a lot of fun stuff, which makes one attractive and provides opportunities to socialize. Having one's shit together nowadays says nothing about how int…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 05:33 PM
2

You absolutely can rack up a high n count in your 20s and be a loser. Being reasonably good looking and having charisma is all it takes. Even while being unsuccessful in society. Lots of poorly paying jobs provide access to people and provide status in the form of street cred, especially in subcultures.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 05:11 PM
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In fact a true HVM (by female standards) would not. By FDS, RedPill, and fundamentalists' standards. Lots of radiantly sane people DNGAF. And probably the majority of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 04:25 PM
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HVM have more options but some don't know it, some don't take advantage of it, and many LVM have high n counts. The same goes for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 04:23 PM
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It is pretty vile but it does acknowledge something that many people do, and something maybe we all do subconsciously. What most of us find vile is the metrics they use to determine high value/low value.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 04:21 PM
1

Men certainly define value to women. Ostracized men or men in outgroups are seen as lower value to women. Also fashion.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 04:04 PM
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Loser can mean many things. Plenty of good-looking losers with money or charisma or who can be manipulative.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 03:55 PM
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Being in your early 20s and not getting sex is a quick recipe for obsessing about it. Plenty of both men and women not getting a healthy amount of quality sex these days, from what I understand. It doesn't sound fun. And plenty of low value men have high N counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 03:44 PM
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That is not the only reason for one to have a low count. A desirable person is likely to attract someone they want to be with for a longer period of time quickly. Not everyone has the same values, tastes, and appetites.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 03:34 PM
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Again, men place value on other men who have high n counts. I would say that men often place value on other men who seem like they could have or could get high N counts, i.e. the men they think all women want. Also the assumption that men universally want women with a low count is hilarious. And wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 03:29 PM
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Men can just as easily say no as women can. Men have just as much access to women as women do to men to approach for sex. And since men are supposed to be the ones to initiate and do the asking, one could just as easily put the onus on the asking as opposed to the answering. You're looking at the wrong part of the deal, likely because you are resentful. It is up to individuals, not a gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 03:24 PM
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I seen that in that Vikings show. You almost as psycho as that lady.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 01:26 PM
1

Authoritarians often harbor puritanical tendencies.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 11:41 AM
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the original followers are often on the more grumpy side Say it's not so. I take the joyful, calm, centered, and compassionate demeanour of the posters as an indication of how well their philosophy has served them and enriched their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 10:50 AM
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I'll bet. The young gentlemen on here are reading your posts and they want to be a happy, secure, well-adjusted person like yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 10:44 AM
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Not sad at all, just realistic and expected from someone of that age.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 10:42 AM
1

She shits on everyone. It's her thing. It's a cry for attention, not personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 10:36 AM
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Sounds it. But that's a poor comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 10:21 AM
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Their batshit comment histories as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 10:03 AM
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Yeah. I get the general idea from talking about sex. Because some people could sleep with a reasonable, or even large, number of people and still not manage to learn much.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 10:02 AM
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This thread was a great demonstration of that. I've seen some entertaining profiles.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 09:55 AM
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since women don't approach. Lol. They most definitely approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 09:45 AM
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There's always a first time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 09:44 AM
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Not with that attitude. I'm short, not particularly good looking, with noticeable tics from Tourettes and that is normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 09:38 AM
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Condoms are a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 09:36 AM
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That is very reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 09:35 AM
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and you don't fuck around if you're a childfree man unless you're reckless or have a vasectomy as soon as you become sexually active Not true. It's incredibly common. And among the people I know, they didn't have kids until much later when they decided to start a family. Condoms are generally very effective.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 08:02 AM
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That person is also batshit crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 07:34 AM
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Among young people nowadays, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 06:54 AM
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No, but it isn't very common. Whereas in this thread there are several posters plus you showing that preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 06:48 AM
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It shows what a strange eccentric or very special group of women are here, You aren't kidding. I was wondering what the hell was going on in here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 06:45 AM
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People talk about that being standard dating procedure in Norway in videos and this has been the normal path to long term relationships for lots of people I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 06:10 AM
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Now why wouldn't a guy be pissed that his wife is settling for him and knowing that she'd have defenitely rejected him in her hookup days? They wouldn't know this. How do you know they would have rejected them before? Also, and more importantly, the characteristics people look for in a long term relationship and a short term are different. I would be a lot prouder to have the kind of qualities people look for in a LTR than the kind they look for in a STR.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 06:05 AM
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I was surprised with how few of the women's preferences and requirements were not like how you portray them. I thought the women on that thread were pretty reasonable. I was surprised at how low standards were for men though. It was noticeably different.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 04:56 AM
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Some (probably 90%) sound completely made up. Or maybe as a demographic they have really poor judgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 04:21 AM
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I do. It builds character. Never mind. I thought industrial was a euphemism.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 04:17 AM
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Or they finish in the middle of the pack like most people. People who dick others over don't cooperate well, which is one of the most crucial attributes leading to success, and the very few talented sociopaths take more executive roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 04:15 AM
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How does people becoming less willing to be used equate to a beta trait?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 04:09 AM
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They really deny that? Me having a couple really good looking friends who were girls got me laid so much when I was younger. A huge part was probably that women would wonder why two hot women were always around me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 04:02 AM
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He's a Marxist. They'll either make the science fit, or make the people fit the "science".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 07:44 PM
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These standards—and whether any beauty standards exist at all, for that matter—are the historical products of the unique political struggles that determine the specific features of any given society. This is a ridiculously stupid take especially since what is attractive can differ a lot between men in the same society and demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 07:40 PM
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You don't have to be amazing to have standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 07:33 PM
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There's no one standard for what people like. I don't find Billie Eilish attractive at all, especially compared to the people I've dated but many other people would have the opposite opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 07:23 PM
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Other than that wtf else would we want? Someone who can keep up regarding outdoor activities like hiking and cycling. Even overweight is a stretch then. You don't have to be gorgeous to be in good shape. One person's plain Jane with small boobs can be a premium find for another guy. Different people can look for drastically different things in a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 07:09 PM
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To me, things people are born with or buy are far less attractive than the things they earn or create for themselves. You can't buy fitness, good taste, good values, manners, compassion, or talent.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 06:28 PM
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One person's 7 can be very different from anothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 06:24 PM
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Preferences in order of importance: dark hair, slender, fit, small breasts (A or AA), narrow hips, 5'4" or shorter Requirements: not overweight, not blonde, under 5'8", doesn't get her nails done, leaning towards slender, and if not fit, has good taste and interest in art, music, and literature, which I know is not a physical trait, but is a good substitute, otherwise it would be difficult spending any quality time together. No cosmetic surgery. edit: apparently I should add that I'm okay with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 06:11 PM
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Maybe not for you. But for plenty of people it is. I find fitness more attractive than being born with a pretty face.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 05:13 PM
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People don't work like that. When I gained weight and was in poor shape, I didn't start finding other overweight people attractive all of a sudden. On the other hand, I didn't blame anyone else for being single either.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 05:10 PM
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Up to a point. There can be a lot of snobbery around beauty, especially extreme beauty and people who make their living from it. There is attractive because they are healthy inside and out and then there is attractive because they are model/actress/trophy wife beautiful. Not the same thing and there is quite a range of behaviors among all of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 07:16 PM
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I think different people have different experiences. I'm a guy but what OP describes is close to my experience, as I don't hang around with assholes and shallow or materialistic people. But other folks have markedly different life experiences and attractive can mean a lot of things to a lot of people. For instance, in the circles I am in, even wealthy, successful, fashionable women don't get their nails done, except maybe for a very special occasion. That is borderline unthinkable among other gr…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 07:08 PM
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You must not be a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 07:04 PM
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While I think there's certainly more to it, I've also noticed that often women who are in touch with themselves sexually have an easier time of it and women with more hangups and uncomfortable with/in their body have a more difficult time having orgasms, and feeling joy or pleasure from sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 07:05 AM
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I don't believe it's bad for one and good for another. I don't understand where the value judgements come into play at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 06:38 AM
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Sure. But some young women actually end up believing men don't like small boobs/small butts, which is false. Generally women don't like short men. But as a short man, tons of women will date me, have sex with me, find me attractive, and prefer me over taller men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 06:09 AM
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It's a game of cooperation. If I also am attentive to a woman's sexual needs, and help my friends get laid, I also end up benefiting. It's not an either/or proposition. Women talk to each other about us, you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 05:59 AM
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And women just flock to body builders. /s Sure, generally fitter man are somewhat more attractive. Doesn't make up for personality or drive to succeed professionally, which is less a competition than it is creating a niche for one's self. Cooperation is far more the advantage needed to thrive and survive, and social skills are one of the biggest keys to carving out a niche, which we do with others far more than we do against others. Even the competitions we engage in for status are done within t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 05:46 AM
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He isn't talking about individual cases. He's talking about how we act as a whole in society and why it is structured like it is, and it explains why most people act like they do most of the time and our relations. If he was wrong, we would not have survived as a species. It's commonly understood and completely uncontroversial evolutionary psychology. It does ruffle people's feathers because they think that it somehow means they aren't special or exceptional. Or it contradicts their beliefs and …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 04:36 AM
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I think he's wrong about some stuff as well but I think his basic premise is solid. I just disagree with him and RPillers/FDS folks about what that means. Whereas I'm pretty sure he thinks it leads to only one conclusion perhaps. Although I also think a lot of people are in denial about how much people cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 03:48 AM
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It's not even close to true. Many times I have seen women have sex with a guy they think is ugly, not strong, who is stupid, that maybe they don't even like, just to get a quick dick. Basic nothings to them. So in a way, it doesn't even count to them. I'm talking about guys they have no respect for and even if they don't hate, or even like them, they most certainly don't think they are superior. They consider them so much beneath them that they don't count. It's about a quick dick that they can …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 03:41 AM
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Different purposes. Women can and sometimes do choose different people to variously impregnate them, raise their kids , and provide sex, and the sex can be for various reasons. Many times I have seen women have sex with a guy they think is ugly, not strong, stupid, that maybe they don't even like, just to get a quick dick. Basic nothings to them. So in a way, it doesn't even count to them. Almost never fat guys though, unless they are strong or charismatic, like a rich or funny fat guy. That is …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 03:35 AM
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I agree. That's why 50/50 isn't the rule. Reciprocity is. Only one person giving will fuck up a relationship quick. So will arguing the petty details and keeping track of every little thing. Generosity of spirit guiding actions rather than an accounting book. Splitting the dinner tab is an entirely separate argument that FDS refuses to even acknowledge in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 03:25 AM
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I agree somewhat. They take the biological and evolutionary reality and use it to justify how they want to live their lives. A story as old as time. But the evolutionary reality really does structure society-wide behavior and human behavior at large. And I think detractors are trying to say "Not everyone is like that. My relationsip is different." But those are two different arguments. Individual exceptions don't make much difference. Societal structure and human behavior are largely shaped by t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 03:16 AM
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I think he means that there are not any biologically meaningful exceptions that effect society at large. I could be wrong though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 03:14 AM
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Your 2 and my 2 may not be the same at all. To the type that likes really big butts and boobs, stick thin girls barely register as women. And vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 03:11 AM
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Your basic premise is true but this part is definitely not. Not even close. Not sure how you came up with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 03:07 AM
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It has absolutely nothing to do with whether one resents women or women's sociological tendency to hypergamy or not, which mirrors the biological reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 03:05 AM
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No, instead they think "I need to very carefully consider who I choose to be the father of my children, and therefore who I have sex with and when." This was even more important before birth control. Which is why women got married after they were pregnant in the Middle Ages. Kids are a super important decision and therefore, so is the father(s).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 03:02 AM
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You're misinterpreting OP. And FDS makes the red pill folks look like a ray of sunshine. Redpill may be cynical, but it's "good news" for those who like sex. And for the record, I'm not a red piller at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 02:59 AM
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Anyway, “hypergamy” is so obviously a cool sciencey-sounding boogeyman for anything and everything TRP thinks is wrong with women. It's a real word and OP was not implying it meant there was anything "wrong" with women. It's an evolutionary strategy that allowed humans to survive and thrive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 02:56 AM
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It's not unrealistic. I'm definitively short, poor, and not attractive and also not a cheater. Still managed in the spaces between relationships to be pretty polygamous. Without birth control I'd have been a fertile motherfucker. Not bragging at all, as my story is typical for a lot of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 02:53 AM
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Sure, mangas sound like a reliable source. /s "Plain" like the "plain" girls in Hollywood movies that are movie stars with slightly unfashionable hair and a pair of glasses added.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 02:48 AM
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Numbers don't mean everything. Guys who like big women would call stick thin girls a 2 and vice versa., While they rate the type they like much higher. Guys who like stick thin girls will pass completely on big women and guys who like big butts and big boobs don't even consider the sticks real women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 02:45 AM
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Guys aren't looking for fat, ugly, or old women to be their options. They're looking for 22 year old bikini models with different hair colors, basically. Not even. It's only young women who haven't learned better that believe this. It's both false and ridiculous. Let me guess, you think we all only like big boobs too, just because a majority find them attractive. The swimsuit/Playboy model is the most popular but large minorities like and even prefer other types, like fat women, or women with hu…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 02:38 AM
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Maybe "a lot" in number but it's still a very minuscule percentage.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 02:31 AM
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What exactly does "wide variety" mean. Because I neither wank to nor have slept with anyone I would describe as even vaguely wide :) And I'm no prize pig. Not picky about skin color however.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 02:30 AM
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Yes, but 99% of them fucked a good number of people when they were young before settling down.. And given the chance, many would still (and do) bang a swimsuit model(s) or close approximation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 02:26 AM
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"Men who date women taller or smarter than them usually get some mockery for this from other men, implying the ideal is to have a weaker dumber girlfriend. Where is this quote from? Sure there are some guys who are like that but those are the ones raising stupid kids. Leaders don't think like that. People who value education don't think like that. And none of my friends are that way. (Not implying at all that I am any kind of alpha/leader). Sure guys will have sex with dumber but hot women. But …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 02:23 AM
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This is purely wishful thinking and utterly delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 02:16 AM
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Women are only attracted to men whom they perceive as superior to them They only take for a partner men who they see as superior to them. But they absolutely will fuck men they think are losers, beneath them, or disposable. Not fat and having a dick is quite often enough for a random sex encounter. I've seen it over and over.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 02:12 AM
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50/50 isn't a rule, it's a guideline and shorthand for a reciprocal relationship, rather than the FDS idea that women bring themselves, which is of supreme value in and of itself. If women are so incredible and most men are "low value", then it seems like there would be few high value men for all those great women. Which would make those men awfully high in demand. And reciprocal doesn't only mean money.While I doubt many women would be okay being the main source of monetary income, a lot of men…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 12:59 AM
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I'm kind of doubting how amazing David Tian is when he immediately is unable to comprehend what he is reading in the video. I'm pretty disgusted with the whole red pill idea but Tian's very first act in the video is to misinterpret Rollo's book regarding the "list of things hypergamy doesn't care about". Of course it reads like a list of things that White Knights do. Which is why Rollo is saying men shouldn't do those things. Not recommending them. Tian makes a basic mistake of reading comprehen…
/r/ExRedPill22/04/20 02:11 PM
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Implying women as parents lack a firm hand? That sounds like bullshit. I think small children should be in joint custody and primary custody should be sex segregated as teens. Generally. Obviously being a willing and fit parent trumps what I said above. And joint custody even if one parent has primary custody is better than exclusive custody.
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