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Why can't the woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 02:56 AM
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There's no need for affection either. Affection is a disease that has manipulated and blinded men into giving more to relationships than they should. Like the cancer that it is, the rot must be cut out of men, so that men can see the world clearly again. Relationships should be very simple. The woman fucks the man, gives him kids, etc. The man provides and protects. Nothing more and nothing less.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 02:50 AM
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There's no need to. Women shouldn't get praised.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 02:41 AM
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It absolutely does matter if it means that the woman has to step up and do these jobs. There is nothing that makes a woman more resentful than a man that allows her to step out of her gender role.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 02:29 AM
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Like women for what? Relationships are meant to be transactions. You think women like being around men who don't provide them value? No. Also, are you just going to complain about me spitting facts, or are you going to actually address them since you obviously disagree with what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 02:14 AM
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Unless you can explain why some butt ugly men have happy, affectionate women on their arms... They don't unless the woman is much uglier, or the guy is rich, and I wouldn't call either truly happy. Perhaps stop being illogical and relying on personal anecdotes as evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 12:53 AM
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A bunch of women in the comment section of a TikToker with the name "Daddy Academy". Lmao, you literally can't even make this shit up. Anyone who rejects TRP either does not have brain cells, or they're just lying. Also, it's both alpha and simp, which is why it works. This is your traditional blue pill/liberal "alpha" where he appears like an alpha, and does all of the great things an alpha does, but at the end of the day - he's really just a simp that pedestalizes women just like every simp do…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 12:49 AM
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Nearly 65 percent of women fantasize about being dominated sexually, according to a survey of more than 1,000 people that was published in the Journal of Sexual Medicine. Nope, it's based on reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 12:33 AM
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If women are expected to pay to compete for your attention but you not theirs, that is not equality. I don't know in what universe you live in where men don't pay to compete for attention, but it's certainly not this one. No, men aren't paying for make-up and doing the bare minimum by applying it. They're paying in a lot of other ways though like busting their ass in the gym and their career to be a version of themselves that is appealing to women. Most men that are successful with women also ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 12:30 AM
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Don't listen to what women say, listen to what women do. Women don't study and work hard, but they do cake themselves up in makeup, and intentionally appear dumber than they are to absolve themselves of responsibility. They don't give two shits about being seen as intelligent. They just want to be seen as pretty, because it's easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 12:19 AM
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You absolutely do. You just struggle to lock them down unless they don't have better options.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 12:17 AM
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No, you're just trying to shit on him by using an example from a movie about a top tier guy pretending he's a virgin being treated well as if that is relevant to his situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 12:16 AM
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The only solution is a sugar baby and that's not a genuine relationship. Neither are "real relationships". They're both transactional. The solution is to recognize this and stop pedestalizing women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 12:14 AM
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You have to understand that women don't actually care about men. They care about what men can provide them. If you're not experienced, then you can't provide them with anything of value.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 12:11 AM
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You're making false assumptions again. Who's to say they didn't pursue those things? You're equating failure to a lack of effort, which is not how things work.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 10:17 PM
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Also- how in the holy fuck do you know when this woman is ovulating? There are biomarkers that you pick up on without consciously realizing it. Everyone here views dating as trying to find the perfect puzzle piece, and to an extent, it is. But you have to remember just because someone else's puzzle piece is different than yours, or that someone else's completed puzzle doesn't look the same as what you want your puzzle to look like, doesn't mean that its automatically wrong or weird. It is wrong.…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 10:07 PM
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You either prevent value, or you don't enter into the relationship. All relationships are transactional though, so that's unavoidable.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 09:54 PM
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Depends on how rich you are, and if you can outsource these things. Women expect competence, but competence can come in many forms. Women want men who can solve their problems. They don't really care how you do it as long as they're not the ones having to solve problems like lawn mowing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 09:48 PM
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The red pill is about so much more than pick up artists. That is what eventually came to dominate the community, but that's not how it originated. It actually did originate from PUA. Lonely men were seeking answers to their questions, and why they were unsuccessful despite following the feminist tenants, and along came some men with the last of the knowledge that had been passed on by men for millennia. Of course since then, many branches of TRP have formed, but at the core of TRP is really just…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 09:44 PM
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Men need their own movement to liberate themselves from gender roles and expectations, and to reinforce their own intrinsic self worth. Maybe we can call it Keninism That does not work, because men do not intentionally oppress themselves like women do, so they can not liberate themselves. Men are oppressed by women, and only women can free them of their shackles.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 09:27 PM
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This applies to things as small as being rude, to things as serious as sexual assault. If you want an example you need to look no further than the platform we are all on right now. If you look at their content policy you will see that in the very first rule they state that only "vulnerable" groups are protected. This is how nefarious forces assert their power. They deem certain groups of people "superior" and in need of suppression. This allows the privileged to become even more privileged by su…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 09:24 PM
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This applies to things as small as being rude, to things as serious as sexual assault. If you want an example you need to look no further than the platform we are all on right now. If you look at their content policy you will see that in the very first rule they state that only "vulnerable" groups are protected. This is how nefarious forces assert their power. They deem certain groups of people "superior" and in need of suppression. This allows the privileged to become even more privileged by su…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 09:24 PM
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Not really. She just ignores those guys since they don't provide any sort value.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 09:11 PM
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They absolutely do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 09:10 PM
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Why would anyone not at least be emotionally distant when the dating pool is women who make lists like this? Like who the fuck is seriously getting excited to get with some woman that probably fucked another guy the night before, and still acts entitled enough to expect a near stranger to pay for her dinner? Who wants to get with a woman that complains about how hard her life is, because out of the 100 guys she has as options, only a few of them are actually worthy of her, but none of them want …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 09:09 PM
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Except women have the trash and men have the gold mine Good joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 08:58 PM
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It's literally how the world works. It's absolute logic. you should encourage her throughout the relationship so she associates positive changes in her life with you, thus wanting to stay with you. How'd that workout for Adele's husband? If that BS actually worked, then men would do it. They don't though, because it doesn't. Women are hypergamous, and when they elevate themselves in any way, then they become a flight risk. It doesn't matter if it's weight, money, or whatever else. You must be be…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 08:57 PM
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Most of the men who aren't successful with women aren't all that horny, either, else they would have been dating since they were teenagers. That's not how things work. Thanks again for illustrating that you argue in bad faith. Pointing out the truth about women doesn't sabotage these men, it sabotages the conniving women that manipulate them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 08:44 PM
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This is one of many reasons to not get with fat women. Women are all monkey branchers. If there is an easy way for them to improve, then that opens up the possibility that they will improve. When that happens, it's over for you unless there was a big power dynamic, so that you're still good enough for her even when she's thinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 09:34 AM
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No, not having your own kids (or like 1 autistic kid) is only one of many issues with dating a single mom. The biggest though is self respect. I'm not getting with a woman that settles for me whether she has a kid or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 09:21 AM
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90% of their problem is that they don't approach, the remaining 10% is how they approach. It's amazing how many people just straight up lie on this sub, and make up fact to fit their narrative. This is not even remotely true. The reason men don't approach is because there is a low chance of success, and it's a waste of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 08:58 AM
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My insistence is based off real world data.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 08:54 AM
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Your denialism has no impact on the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 07:48 AM
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Women's concern with a man's personality is only to the extent that it acquires her status. She doesn't actually care about his personality. Maybe not all men, but at least some men will not be shallow. On the other hand, it's virtually impossible for a woman to not be shallow. If she doesn't care about looks, then she will inevitably care about status and, or money. That's why attractive men getting with ugly women is so much more controversial than ugly men getting with attractive women. It's …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 05:56 AM
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It's not difficult to understand at all if you acknowledge female nature. All women are hypergamous, which means whether men agree or not - they'll be incentivized to act in a possessive manner regarding female sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 03:08 AM
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Because they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 03:02 AM
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High value men speak to women any way they want, so sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 02:39 AM
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Women do, and she has.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 02:33 AM
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This is a great point that you bring up, because it highlights the dynamic to which beta men secure partners. Essentially, women with low sex drives are more willing to settle with these sexually unattractive men. At the end of the day though, this is proof that these men aren't actually desired, and that women do indeed have narrow preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 02:30 AM
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Most men actually do want to be stay at home dads. They're just not allowed to by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 02:15 AM
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Well for one, mentally ill =/ dark triad. And because mentally-ill women are common? Because men generally aren't as superficial as women, so they're more likely to get with women that have issues? Because some men just get with a lot of different women, and other men literally have no other options? There is a very short list of men who would willingly pick toxic women over good ones unlike women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 02:14 AM
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No, there is literally no incentive to me paying. Most men should follow suit. Paying for dates made sense back in the day when things were cheaper and women were easier. It was a nice gesture to secure a safe investment. Now it's a risky gamble, and even worse - she is probably with other guys on the side.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 01:58 AM
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Because women can not be allowed to benefit from both traditionalism and modernism.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 01:55 AM
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That's not the issue. The issue is the hypocrisy from women demanding equality, while they push for inequality with things like "men should pay for me".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 01:54 AM
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The most important thing a man can bring to a woman, is attention (and sex) How else do you explain military dudes when their partner steps out on them? How do you explain simps all being single? A few ugly military men getting cheated on does not prove that attention is more important to women, and no one is advocating for you to never see your gf/wife either. Part of push/pull is literally pulling.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 11:50 PM
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This is the future. This is evolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 11:28 PM
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That's such bs. Men constantly have casual relationships with women they don't think are good enough to have relationships with. Men don't constantly have casual relationships, but when it does happen - I agree. However, that fact contradicts your own point, and proves most men aren't shallow going after low status women. Some men are though, and that's the men that women relate to the most and go after. I'm just saying that if sex robots fill your need you will probably find a new "need". Again…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 11:18 PM
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Because I won't let her dress like a hoe in public? lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 11:15 PM
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You can be dominated and like it. Just look at women as an example. Contradictory. No regular person relates the experience of being around someone charismatic, intimately or not, as feeling "dominated." Lmao. Come on, bro. You think when people meet Tom Hanks they feel dominated? It doesn't matter what they think. It matters what is, and they feel dominated whether they realize it or not. Come on, bro. You think when people meet Tom Hanks they feel dominated? Yes, I believe some do. Certainly m…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 11:12 PM
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you think women lose their temper and act out more than men? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 11:05 PM
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Like I said, make her mad (or when she's mad/frustrated) for one. She'll be more honest when she's ovulating too. Get her drunk, ask her when she's sleepy (like you did), gain her trust and build a "safe space", plant secret agents that can manipulate her and feed you information, etc. A lot of the time if you're socially aware enough, then you can just observe and listen to her, and get a good idea of what she thinks of you. Of course, that can be distorted when you're doing things like paying …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 10:57 PM
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Yep. The go to insult for women is to attack the man's masculinity/status (typically making him seem worse than he actually is) after a break up to lift herself up, and act like she's onto bigger and better things. But also, "women aren't hypergamous". lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 10:48 PM
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Yep, they will frequently have Freudian slips as well. That's what happens when you're constantly virtue signaling though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 10:45 PM
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No, when you're dominated, then you feel dominated - that's why you're literally dominated. If you mean physically forced/scared into submission, then sure. Most people aren't going to feel like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 10:42 PM
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Acting like you aren't shallow until you get pissed off and reveal what you actually think about dick size, height, and other traits that deal with masculinity is absolutely a gendered concept. Women love men they don't actually desire when they need something from them, or want to virtue signal, but in reality - they think very negatively about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 10:39 PM
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If you really want to know a woman's opinion about you, then make her mad. That's when all of the virtue signaling BS stops, and she reveals just how hypergamous she actually is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 10:22 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 10:21 PM
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It absolutely does occur. I implore you to actually learn what domination is before you continue to speak on the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 10:19 PM
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It doesn't what should be. What matters is what is, and men have to meet more than 3 requirements.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 08:38 PM
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The matrix invaded.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 08:34 PM
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They were purged. Now this sub makes me look red pill in comparison. Half the red pill people still here aren't even actually red-pilled. Some of them literally even admit it. This place has become a rhetorical echo chamber of blue-pill opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 08:32 PM
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People typically obsess over and want what they don't have. You're projecting the female experience onto men. Most men aren't consumed with status like most women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 08:22 PM
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Yes, but it's already been pretty prevalent. When you look at a lot movies, it's all similar situations to this with the average men getting with a women who treats them like shit, but stays with him anyways to give men the false illusion that relationships are obtainable, and this treatment is normal. In reality, most men are ignored, and if they aren't ignored then they are treated exactly like this. Is there something that men as a whole have done to earn this treatment? What can potentially …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 08:20 PM
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Because they don't. Men their age and younger are typically more feminine. As you get into older age brackets, then that becomes less true, but then the woman loses most of her leverage. Now if you present a 35 year old woman with a 25 year old Chad financer with his shit together, or a 65 year old woman with a 50 year old man, then sure, she'll be into that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 08:09 PM
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No, I'm logic-posting like I always do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 08:03 PM
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More women marry than men, and I was referring to relationship success at a young age.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 08:02 PM
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Naw they ain't. They can do whatever they want, it just may not attract a partner. No they can't. You are legally obligated to pay taxes to support women. As far as taxes that benefit women, well, it benefits mothers. And women only become mothers from semen, which comes from men. So they create the thing that then needs support. Mothers are still women, and about half of men are not fathers. So no, it's not coming from them, and they shouldn't be responsible.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 07:46 PM
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You're making it more complex than it needs to be. There is one reason women like lawyers: https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/the_legal_field_attracts_psychopaths_author_says_not_that_there_is_anything/
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 07:42 PM
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Why does being around a charismatic person feel good? Because you are being socially dominated, and you like it. And I guarantee you if you posed the question: "would you rather a man who is charismatic only around others or only you", then most women women say others, because that provides more value to them. That question has also been answered here before to the same result.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 07:33 PM
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She was wishing it on men. It doesn't matter if men are volunteering or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 07:27 PM
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It's interesting how different one's women's experience can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 07:00 PM
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Advocating for men to be solitary confined is misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 06:57 PM
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Of course when men are abused, then it doesn't count, but that's par for the course. I wasn't referring to in the context of sex, but in general. Men are expected to protect women. Men are thrown into wars. Men are forced to inject things into their body. Men are expected to slave away and pay higher taxes to support women. Men are expected to pay for children they don't want (even when it's not theirs). Bodily autonomy is a privilege that is only reserved for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 06:52 PM
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Censorship eventually comes for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 06:40 PM
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My bad, I linked the wrong post. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/192pgj4/comment/kh758ro/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 06:08 PM
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Women's* Male bodies are still deemed usable whenever a woman needs it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 05:56 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/192pgj4/comment/kh75a0p/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 05:53 PM
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All of the women here downvote. If you banned them, then there wouldn't be a debate sub anymore. Then again, there already isn't a debate sub anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 05:49 PM
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Timothee Chalamet He really isn't. Go up to 99% of women, and they would never date him. Even most of the women who crush on him probably wouldn't even date him in real life. It's just a bunch of teenagers and low value women, so of course they'll like a more androgynous male. He's also rich and high status. Put Chalamet in an office making 50k, and see how successful he is with women then versus if Momoa was working in the same office. They're not equally attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 05:40 PM
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https://images.hellomagazine.com/horizon/landscape/06563d5d28f6-charles-t.jpg Above average looking male prince, you don't say? There is little hope for the coming generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 05:27 PM
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Because 10 gets you disqualified either way. It's kind of like a guy being ugly at 10 v. 35.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 05:21 PM
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It really isn't subjective, but a Chad will dress up in a suit one day, and then a clown outfit the next, and the woman will act like she has different types. A guy will have 10/10 genes, but have a busted up nose, and she'll act like she's doing charity work. A woman will lower her standards from 10 to 7 after failing to get commitment from the 10s, and act like she's with a "medium-ugly" guy now. It's just pure delusion, and women do it to make themselves look less shallow and more wholesome t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 05:17 PM
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The entire reason that women like charisma to begin with is because of the ability to use it to socially dominate others and acquire status. The virtue signaling going on here is comical. It's not just lawyers that enjoy significantly higher rates of mating opportunities; it's all high status men since the dawn of human existence. To act otherwise despite the overwhelming amount of evidence is delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 05:11 PM
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This actually been scientifically proven to be true. The issue is that people can't distinguish from being made to be attractive to being made to be more attractive. A 6 with money and status is going to be made into a high value male (especially if he takes care of himself) while a 3 is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 05:05 PM
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Another example of women taking a male she was attracted to and projecting him onto all of men. Most men are bald, and literally seen as genetically unfit by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 09:42 AM
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Nobody ever said men didn't have standards. They just said they don't have shallow and unreasonable standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 09:36 AM
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Average married man makes twice as much as the woman, and still pays more even when they make the same, so no, they're not roughly the same. Men offer significantly more to relationships than women. The only thing a woman can offer is loyalty and beauty, and she offers neither by spending her 20s being a hoe only to settle down in her 30s when she's old, used, and fat. Some deal that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 09:17 AM
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​ you and your gf go on a romantic dinner. she wants to dress to sexually attract you The dinner is no longer romantic at this point. to show you how beautiful she is Again, she could do that with clothes on. wears a busty dress with fishnets or something idk That's just embarrassing. is she a hoe? Yes. either way she inadvertently attracted some random men she doesn't give a shit about, but she is an absolute head turner tonight It wasn't inadvertent though. Women don't flirt the same way as me…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 09:15 AM
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Nah. Me and the rest of men will just do what women do and remain single.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 09:05 AM
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Still more than women offers, and the average guy still struggles to even get into a relationship until his 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 09:04 AM
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Doesn't matter. Men are not just judged based on those traits like women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 07:57 AM
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They could easily have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 07:28 AM
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men don't wanna flex their catch? Why would men with any sort of self-respect want to do that? don't want a gf who tries to be pretty for him? If it was pretty for me, then it'd be pretty only for me. You can also e pretty without being a hoe.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 07:01 AM
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It is relevant to the question, because the premise is the same - hoes being fake.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 06:47 AM
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Being truthful is not being deranged or bitter - it's actually the opposite. Women are the ones who are deranged and bitter.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 06:45 AM
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Asking for women to not be fat, be young, and not fuck around is literally the easiest and most bare minimum request ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 06:44 AM
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I don't think the average woman has disney photos on her bio, but the average woman definitely thinks she is and wants traditional more than she actually is. That aspect of modern women being hoes, yet acting like their housewife material or that men should be traditional is prevalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 06:39 AM
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The only men that are into bitches are masochists, nice guys who feel too bad saying no, and guys just looking to fuck, which is why these women typically end up single. I don't know in what universe people think men are going for these women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 06:31 AM
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The issue with any sort of financial abortion is that women will just withhold they're pregnancy if they want to have a child. The reality that men have to accept is there is no way to win in this regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 05:29 AM
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I think men are a lot more indoctrinated by this than women. I don't know how any woman thinks she's a Disney princess when she's fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 05:24 AM
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No, they do have negative opinions because of female mate choice. So yes, they are also doing it to get women to like them essentially, but you're oversimplifying social dynamics and not grasping what is going on. Even when a woman isn't present, men are still in a state of intrasexual competition and vying for dominance. Why do people get into fights? Because someone assaults your masculinity. Why is that a big deal? Because women desire masculinity. Even if a woman isn't technically present, y…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 05:12 AM
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The advice comments were hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 04:32 AM
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Delusional women advocating for hypergamy, and acting like they're not expiring
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 04:16 AM
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There's only two reasons a man would shame another man. Intrasexual competition, or because they have a genuine interest in seeing the man succeed, i.e. a father.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 04:13 AM
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Do you think it's acceptable to call men who cry or feel anxiety "a pussy"? Yes, and that's created by women. I, nor any other man makes the rules - women do. If being weak wasn't punished, and shaming people for being weak wasn't rewarded, then people wouldn't do it, but they do. Thank women for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 03:57 AM
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I find it hilarious when single moms talk about how shitty men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 01:51 AM
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There's no such thing as toxic masculinity. It is simply a byproduct of selecting for masculinity that does not benefit women, so they whine and complain about it, because that's all you really can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 01:50 AM
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A bunch of brainwashed white knights as is par for the course on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 12:46 AM
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Exactly, you just proved my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 12:41 AM
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There is something wrong with manipulation - when it's happening to you and the scales of power/responsibility become imbalanced.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 09:51 PM
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I'm going to assume that a woman who doesn't go out much or interact with men either doesn't have a high body count, or had a period in her past where she was promiscuous and has become resistant to men. I'm not going to reveal the exact details of my methods to find out which one is true though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 09:38 PM
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No she isn't. That's like saying I'll remain financially loyal after I spent all of my money on other women before the relationship, and am now broke. I could've saved my money and used it on her, but instead I chose to use it on other women, and now I'm expecting a woman to accept that, and the fact that I'm broke. No woman would do that either, so I find it funny that women chastise men who do the same when it comes to promiscuity.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 09:38 PM
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hedonism doesn't have to be impulsive, no Yes it does. and even if you are impulsive, you can be a hedonist without harming or exploiting others No, it always leads to chaos. read some poetry, its all about wholesome pleasure It's not wholesome, period. You don't get to change the definition of words to fit your narrative. Hedonism prioritizes pleasure over morality. It's not wholesome; it is impulsive, which is what makes it self-serving.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 09:35 PM
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Yes. Men who are promiscuous will also be self-serving and higher status. Self-serving behavior generates productivity, which benefits women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 09:12 PM
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i said it can be wholesome not that all hedonism is wholesome It's not at all wholesome. Again, it's a complete contradiction of the word. no not about self-pleasure, but finding pleasure in being alive and in human experiences is very wholesome No, it's about deriving self-pleasure from impulsive behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 09:05 PM
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hedonism is wholesome if you are careful not to hurt or exploit others You need to learn the definition of words. It's not at all wholesome. pleasure is a natural part of the human experience not something shady that you have to hide from others. Being wholesome isn't about self-pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:56 PM
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I never said men didn't lie on the survey as well, but the discussion is about women, not men. Bringing up men is avoidance and irrelevant. Again, pipe down with the white knighting. You literally stated that there is no way to not self report so what they do is make it confidential and safe TO assure the surveyed have ZERO reason to lie. Ok? And that doesn't change the fact that the data is weak. Polling is an extremely weak form of data collection. Especially when you're asking liars to not li…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:56 PM
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Women like indifference, because they like men who are self-serving, because self-serving men are the most fit. If you're too indifferent though, then there is no point. Why not? Same reason she wants indifferent men. She wants a man who is competent, and a man doing nothing is not. When a woman tells me she's listening to music, watching a movie, doing nothing, etc. then that's a signal to me she is bored, not doing anything important, and needs a man to stimulate her. So as a man, it's time to…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:51 PM
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They literally lie about it every day. Holy shit, stop pedestalizing women for once in your life. No good scientist would ever take the words out of a liar's mouth as a credible source of data.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:39 PM
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There is literally nothing wholesome about it. It's hedonistic - the opposite of wholesome.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:31 PM
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Yes, TRP is the truth, and pretty much everything we're told about dating is a lie. Anthropocentrism is a disease of delusion that attributes human traits to humans that don't even have them. We glorify and romanticize our actions including relationships to disguise the flaws of ourselves. In reality, our mating behavior is closer to the average animal than it is a "human".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:27 PM
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There's nothing wholesome about casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:23 PM
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Women like indifference, but you have to show some interest. Instead of saying "I see", you can just as easily say "nah, you're good". This is low energy while also easing her insecurity. Don't say "you're doing nothing" either.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:22 PM
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Because they are literally liars. Why would anyone take a liar's word as a strong data point?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:22 PM
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None for a LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:20 PM
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A minority of women do not cheat, and women mostly sleep with a minority of men, so the minority of men being celebrities is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:15 PM
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You're right, it's not for women either, or else you'd take responsibility, which you're not. You're just trying to manipulate men into being slaves, and it's not going to work on me, and hopefully many more men in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:14 PM
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You probably aren't, but you have to take into account that the data is unlikely accurate, and what you're looking at is the bare minimum. Just cross-referencing with divorce data, you can make the conclusion that cheating is much more prevalent than that data set shows.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:11 PM
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Yes, plenty of women have been with someone famous. Whether that's a international celeb, national celeb, or local celeb.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:06 PM
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I don't care in that situation, and it's not my responsibility to care. What about that do you not understand? People (especially people as self-serving as females are) are not going to guilt-shame me into being a slave for women. I'm not evil for that either. The reason that the child is in that situation is solely because of the mother. She is responsible for the child being fatherless and traumatized, and she will bare the ramifications for her behavior - not me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:05 PM
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This is one terribly weak data set that is self-reported. The vast majority of data sets show much higher numbers. In addition, I did not argue about the rate of actual cheating but the desire to, so your point is invalid either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 07:59 PM
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Why didn't the woman think about the kid? Why don't you think about the kid, and go be a father to them yourself? Why is it the man's responsibility? It's not about the kid; it's about the man. He is entitled to freedom, not to enslavement by women. Women say all of the time that it's "their body, their choice", and they routinely prove they're all self-serving hypocrites that can't even adhere to their own values that they purport, because they truly have none. Women simply say whatever makes t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 07:51 PM
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it's interesting to ponder the disgust some men feel today about raising another man's child. Could this unease be more influenced by cultural factors than inherent biology? Lmao what? If anything, cultural factors are what convinces a man to be worthless simp that wastes his energy on another man's offpsring. It's not natural for a man to raise another man's child, because there is no biological incentive - it's literal parasitism. Communal responsibility where all of the uncles and aunts pitch…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 07:46 PM
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75% of women would cheat in general if they could get away with it. You're wrong again.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 07:38 PM
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"He didn't read my mind. Motherfucker deserved it"!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 07:37 PM
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Happens all of the time. It's not unrealistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 07:36 PM
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Toxic masculinity doesn't exist. If a man is "toxic" and "masculine", then it's a direct result of female selection, so it's contradictory for women to say that is toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 07:32 PM
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More than they otherwise would? Maybe. It depends how interested they were in you to begin with. Women like what they can't have, especially if you're constantly dangling it in front of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 07:01 PM
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Doesn't matter if it is or isn't. This stuff does happen, and the reactions are very real, which is what matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 07:00 PM
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I disagree. Most people definitely care, but the older the woman is, then the less it matters. Most people aren't going to go up to you in public and call you a creep either even if they look down it or think you're creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 06:20 PM
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Yes, very much so. Mostly the more attractive/entitled ones though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 06:17 PM
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It actually disgusts me how Reddit believes men should be enslaved. Just a bunch of indoctrinated men (and of course women) who grew up in gynocentric society, and guilt-shame men into being subservient to women, and then enact laws to ensure compliance when that doesn't work. This is why paternity tests are a must. You can not listen to people that are literally trying to take advantage of you about whether or not you should try and prevent them from doing so. In a world where a man not only ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 06:15 PM
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Women will never bring back wait until marriage, because sex matters to women too as much as they pretend it doesn't, and they benefit from a masculine man in the bedroom. A woman needs confirmation of that before she commits to a man. The 90 day rule may seem more plausible, but it won't happen - and also already happens. The reason women act like they don't like sex is to use it as a bargaining tool, and they use it as a bargaining tool for commitment. The more a woman wants commitment from yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 05:40 PM
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Well for one, it's pretty typical of women. These men are just desperate, and, or overlooking. Unlike women, men tend to feel bad nitpicking a woman's flaws, because men are wired to accept women and take care of them, but overlooking these red flags also lands them in bad situations. It's not until men have really been put through the ringer that they start to really understand that they need to put themselves first, and put women in their place. At that point, women who don't easily fall in li…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:57 AM
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Women virtue signal about this not mattering a lot, but all data shows that they're liars, and it's actually very important. Depending on the size, I would agree, and say it's probably a good idea to stop putting effort into dating, but this is true of all major deficiencies, i.e. broke, very short, very ugly, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:42 AM
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It's not a surprise that the women here are defending abuse. This is what they mean when they say "men with low status traits can get relationships too", conveniently leaving out the fact that these men are being humiliated.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:35 AM
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No it's not. It's 1000x more healthy to have respect for yourself and eliminate toxic people from your life. If that means no sexual contact, then that's the price to pay for your dignity.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:31 AM
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Necrophilia also makes some people's dick hard. Making someone's dick hard is the not the basis for what one should be motivated by or doing. These men are mentally damaged, and you're trying to push them off the cliff.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:29 AM
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It absolutely is.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:27 AM
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There's nothing romantic about that example. Romance is unequivocally a modern phenomenon that didn't start to appear in text until very recently, and in practice just in the past 100 years, and even then it's been limited to the west and its influence.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:26 AM
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You say that as the entire sub has been overran by women and simps the past few months.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 07:48 AM
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Women want powerful men, and powerful men make the patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 04:59 AM
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I don't debate women to change their opinions. These people have no logical argument to begin with, so of course it is pointless. The debating should be reserved for making them look ignorant, and to enlighten more men to the truth. More and more men are seeing the truth as well, and the more enlightened men are, the better.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 04:56 AM
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A person's emotional state has nothing to do with the truth. If you're letting emotions judge your arguments instead of logic, then you've already lost. Your assessment of my take being negative or positive is entirely on you. It is simply the truth, which is neutral. You can claim you are a realist all you want, but at the end of the day, we are social creatures meant to coexist/bond, and thrive in groups. Ladies are literally the other half of the population, and to be so bitter and cynical to…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 04:55 AM
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Because boundaries. Having boundaries is essential to being a man. Women don't like nice guys, and when you let them walk all over you, then it does not end well for you; and that's exactly what a woman with 15 bodies is doing - walking all over you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 04:41 AM
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I can generally get a pretty good estimate through just interacting with her. The best policy is if you have to ask, then it's already done. However, even conservative women are typically hoes these days, so you must be more diligent with them. I'll apply some different techniques with them to get the information that I need.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 04:40 AM
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The female perspective in dating is also much different than the male perspective. Even young women who are dating are clueless. It's also different across the hierarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 04:32 AM
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6ft look like stumpy midgets Height inflation just keeps getting worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 04:28 AM
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This question has an obvious answer - there is a shortage of those people. I think it'd be much better question to ask why women try to control Chad and turn him into nice guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 04:25 AM
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So you mean online dating IRL? That sounds like wonderful advice to give a bunch of low-status men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 04:19 AM
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I never said that. I said 5'7 men aren't attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 02:54 AM
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No they aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 11:50 PM
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Not really depending how strict your definition is. Majority of men are either alpha or alpha beta at worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 11:49 PM
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No, they're not, and that's easily debunked. The type of men who women think are medium ugly aren't actually ugly - they're attractive. Just less so than the 10/10 Chad they were with the previous week.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 11:40 PM
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Yes. Women are the inventors and maintainers of gender roles. Women are going to look down on men who do not conform to their masculine image.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 11:25 PM
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Women are absolutely at fault either way along with the men like you that enable their behavior. The rest of men? Not so much. Women are not entitled to high value men, and their lust for them is their own problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 11:20 PM
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you find women talking about how they've tried lowering their standards and gotten the same result all the time. Going from 6'3 -> 6'2 might technically be lowering your standards, but there's no reason to virtue signal and act like your victim, because it didn't work out. None of these women are really lowering their standards, and if they did, then they did it too late.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 11:17 PM
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How are they the real winners when 60% of men haven't reproduced? Betas aren't winning. Most of them are either having no kids or autistic kids. Just because they take precautions doesn't mean HVM still don't have plenty of kids with multiple women. HVM are reproducing at a higher rate relative to the population than we've seen in a long time. That's why a lot of traits that are synonymous with HVM like height are skyrocketing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 10:53 PM
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I wouldn't always say that is true, and even if it is - not liking =/ not wanting attention. Women want to feel desired by men, and a guy essentially rejecting her because she's too old is going to make the woman upset whether she likes him or not. It's a power struggle, and it's actually one of the easiest ways to get a woman to like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 10:01 PM
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All the hypergamous blue pill women in the comments proving TRP right again.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 09:56 PM
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Women will say a woman doesn't care what a man drives, but this is is another half truth by women. Women don't actually care about the car, but the car symbolizes that the man is high status and masculine, which they do care about. Try driving around a smart car and see how many women you pick up.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 09:52 PM
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Your blue pill delusions have no place in a debate. What you see is not what is. Learn how to form logical arguments. The reality is ugly people are not "fucking all of the time". The vast majority of men are struggling by every measure of data. Even the men that do have sex isn't an indicator that they are having it as much as they did in the past. A small subsection of men are benefiting from the rise of hypergamy in hookup culture, which inherently means everyone else is suffering more. That'…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 09:11 PM
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Stats are flawed, and don't represent the general society, and should be considered with a grain of salt. That is absolutely wrong. You don't have to be married to have a successful relationship. The vast majority of relationships are even bigger failures when marriage is not involved. You definitely seem to be a "glass is half empty" kind of person No, I'm a realist. because notice how you didn't wanna focus on the other 50% who are married, the other 50% that gave stayed together, and the othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 11:42 AM
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What is my Point? Extremes will always create weird situations This is a non-argument. The vast majority of people acknowledge that all three of these things matter. but how many People have a attribute that is 10/10 or 1/10? Not many, but guess what? Hypergamy is extreme, and it demands the extreme. When you are sitting there and saying ___ matters, then what you are conveniently leaving out is that most men are average, and average isn't good enough just like below average isn't good enough. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 11:42 AM
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For most men? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 11:40 AM
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So you admit that women are hypergamous, but only when they have options? I hate to break it to you, but women have options in real life too, so you just admitted they were hypergamous, and it's a good thing that you did, because hypergamy is not an opinion - it's scientific fact. This sort of pedestalizing and virtue signaling for women that is all too common in our society is not needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 11:16 AM
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People think personality doesn't matter, because it literally doesn't matter. One aspect of personality matters, and that's the ability for a man to socially dominate others. 95% of the rest of the guy's personality is useless, and showing too much of it is often even harmful. Saying personality matters would be like saying in an alternate world where personality actually did matter along with (and only) a guy's nose length that "looks matter". When a woman is only judging you for your nose leng…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 11:12 AM
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Not really. Most men are naturally betas. The mother definitely doesn't help, but she can't shield him from hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 07:59 AM
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Why push for a relationship, marriage and even kids when you are fundamentally unable to trust your partner? Because what other choice is there if you want to reproduce? Men used to do this with no paternity testing, because they simply had no choice. They didn't trust their mates, but they trusted that the only way they were ever going to reproduce is to stick their dick in a vagina and hope their sperm won. Now we have paternity testing though, so it makes no sense to not ensure your paternity…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 05:27 AM
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Do they? 50% of people aren't married, and 50% of marriages divorce, and 50% of marriages that don't divorce are still unhappy and likely only staying together, because it's simply better than divorcing. That doesn't sound to me like a society full of functional and healthy relationships. It sounds like that is a niche reserved only for the relationships where the woman is satisfied with a much better man. The statement "women are only as loyal as their options" isn't loyalty then, that's condit…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 05:15 AM
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You don't even need to wait. Just make them feel safe, and like it's their idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 05:11 AM
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What time? What energy? What emotions? What independence? What careers? What bodies? These are not things that women sacrifice that don't don't benefit them. You don't have a man's child, you have your child. The man just gets to inadvertently benefit with his own child as well. You aren't sacrificing anything for him though, you are sacrificing for yourself. There is absolutely nothing that a woman provides that she doesn't provide herself. Everything women do is self-serving. Men on the other …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 03:25 AM
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No man has ever been loved by anyone other than their parents. I also prefer to not be disillusioned with hormones that make me see things that aren't there.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 02:43 AM
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For you to think only men can do that is so solipsistic No it isn't. Men and women are both capable of deep love and devotion, as well as extremely shallow and fair-weather love. No they aren't, and they functionally can't be. Women sacrifice nothing for men. They offer nothing for men that they don't offer themselves. Women are hypergamous, which means they are quite literally in capable of anything deep. They are shallow by design.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 02:42 AM
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His lips are fuller, but they're also much, much narrower (and redder). Overall, his mouth is definitely more feminine, because width > length. Their bone structure is pretty much the same. Bill's nose is shorter though, his eyes are wider, and his eyes are bigger. This is all feminine. My guess is you're trying to project the fact that you're more into feminine features onto a man, which just doesn't work. Feminine features are less desirable. Bill still does decent for himself, because he has …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 02:30 AM
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You must understand what love is to understand why it's not going away anytime soon. Love isn't actually love, but delusion. It is a woman manipulating a man so that he can bond with her, and a woman manipulating herself, so that she can bond with him. But what makes a woman want to manipulate herself? Value. Women don't love men, they love things, and when a woman "loves a man", then she secures those things. When a woman doesn't love a man, then it's because she can't love a man that doesn't p…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 02:15 AM
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Marriage is sold to women in the form of increased status. It's laughable to act like love is anything but a manipulative tactic women used on men, so that men will commit resources to them long-term while women provide less and less "the more she loves him". Love isn't actually real (at least two-sided love), because that would insinuate that the woman actually cares about the man rather than what he can provide the woman to increase her status.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 01:59 AM
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It absolutely is important.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 01:45 AM
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His brother actually looks like a woman. Not nearly as masculine as him.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 01:44 AM
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Face is fine, probably cute and handsome even despite not having much dimorphism ? His face has a quite a bit of dimorphism. Protruding jaw, wide long nose and wide bridge, wide chin, wide lips, hooded close together eyes, no face fat. His jaw could be a little bit wider, and his orbital bones thicker, but the rest like his thinner eyebrows are just the result of living in a colder climate. If you put just about any guy on a 5'8 remarkable body he's going to struggle. He'd do a lot better than m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 01:42 AM
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That's another lie. If women wanted that, then it would be reflected in their mating habits.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 11:18 PM
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HVM join frats. If you're just a nerd and introvert, no. If you're a HVM, nerd, and introvert, then sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 11:14 PM
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Because women tend to have abundance. What many women don't have is an abundance of HVM, which is why women will simp for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 11:11 PM
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Hypergamy isn't a narrow class definition of one's socioeconomic level. It's all encompassing. Every behavior that raises a man's status is under examination by women, and it's this way, because they are hypergamous. Women don't just want a man who makes more than them, they want a man who is greater than them, and not just them, but other men as well. This is in contrast to men who do not want a woman greater than them. They'll be indifferent or even turned off by such a dynamic, because these …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 11:08 PM
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because men promote a king of the hill mentality where the strong *should* dominate and take from the weak The amount of comments that are outright lies that are allowed to exist here is disgusting. This is literally what women promote, not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 10:55 PM
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No, but the reason you won't have sex with them extends beyond just your relationship. More than anything - it's a question of desire. If you didn't have a relationship, then they still would not be considered. You don't have sympathy - you're just virtue signaling and pretending that you do as women often do, because if you had sympathy, then you'd have the capability to have desire, which you don't. You're like a person that goes and takes pictures with poor people, but actually does nothing t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 10:52 PM
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Changes are coming whether you like it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 08:50 PM
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It is, but the man has been brainwashed like most modern men into letting their woman be a slut. You've already played your part in letting the man know. You can't help him if he can't even help himself. The only thing you can do is make sure you and your sons don't fall down the same path, so that you don't contribute to the epidemic.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 08:46 PM
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🤮 Men have no self-respect anymore, and it's repulsive. We need some significant changes in our society ASAP.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 08:44 PM
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It's not lowering your standards. Men are actually less plastic than women, but they're just born to not be innately shallow like women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 08:30 PM
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Because it's effeminate. Once you look at women through the lens of hypergamy, then everything starts to make sense about them. Women typically want conformists who can sit atop the hierarchy, or at least have the chance to. Men who do not fit that mold are not desired, and that is most men. If you sit there and play with legos, then you are showing weakness. If you're arms are skin and bones, then you are showing weakness. If you're face is soft-looking and asymmetrical, then you are showing we…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 07:11 PM
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I have a theory that a lot of people who both hate high n count women and hate simps have a deep fear that they’ll one day simp for a high n count woman. That is literally not possible. why else would it matter so much what some subset of randos do? Because I don't like to see men taken advantage of?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 06:36 PM
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There's nothing to learn. If a thin and attractive woman who gets pregnant doesn't stand a chance, then what hope does a 600 lb woman have?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 10:48 AM
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I can assure you that they aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 10:36 AM
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Attractive men still have to be at least somewhat competent and sociable. An attractive woman doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 10:22 AM
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These men aren't the same as women. Who a woman settles down with is probably different from who she fucked, because he had to be different. Who a HVM settles down with is probably going to be different from who he fucked, because he wanted them to be different. This comes down to these men having the leverage to pick the partners they want, and women being at their behest.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 10:19 AM
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You shouldn't keep the why to yourself. That's just lying by omission, and being fake nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 10:13 AM
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Yeah, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 10:02 AM
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Who just happen to be celebrities, models, and influencers Some of them are. Yeah that's just status but using different words. No, it's not at all. Maybe learn what words mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 10:00 AM
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If appearance was subjective, then attractive women would get with ugly guys at as higher rate than attractive guys just by sheer odds. That doesn't happen though. Appearance is not subjective; it is objective.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 09:54 AM
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Nobody is perfect, but you do need to be high quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 09:52 AM
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Raya exists, because women are hypergamous, and high status men want hand-selected discreet women. None of these men give a shit about a woman's gold medal, and the fact that you think otherwise goes to show just how out of touch you are when it comes to understanding men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 09:43 AM
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Attractive women don't even pretend to not be worthless. No one is worth the headache that they are, and you're not going to have the power over these women that you need for the relationship to function. They have too much abundance, so they need to be for recreational use only. It's much better to get a less attractive woman who still looks good, and is not going to have options that are better than you. That'll make her dependent on you, and dependent women know how to act right.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 09:37 AM
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That has nothing to do with him caring about her status.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 09:31 AM
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There is absolutely zero scientific evidence for fairytales, and you've proven nothing other than you need serious help.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 09:29 AM
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I don’t disagree with your logic, what I think it leaves out (and it’s a big part of it) is that women who glow up and pass their man up in value rarely go find a higher value man if there’s any real commitment to the relationship. No, they absolutely do unless their self-esteem has not caught up, and they don't have an accurate assessment of their worth. There is no such thing as loyalty when it comes to women, and you're not going to get a participation trophy from them. If you're not the best…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 07:32 AM
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The thing is women are trying to apply their own standards to men, which they constantly make the mistake of doing. Men don't give a shit if women have an Olympic gold medal. It doesn't make them valuable to men like a gold medal would make a man valuable to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 06:44 AM
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I choose plastic over butter.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 05:56 AM
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All women are pay to play.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 05:52 AM
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Well you thought wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 05:43 AM
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The whole point of youth is that she's not used up.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 05:43 AM
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They are. That's the only thing a woman can bring to the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 04:37 AM
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I like how you're admitting women are hypergamous. Regardless, you're making false assumptions about a woman that you know nothing about as if high value men only get with high value women. Chances are this woman is average AF.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 04:35 AM
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No, I think loyalty is for men only.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 04:26 AM
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More or less, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 04:25 AM
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who can forgive her This is disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 04:25 AM
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Sports stars fish in every lake. If you're not fishing in one of the same lakes, then you're not fishing at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 04:24 AM
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What the average modern man has to look forward to in a wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 04:20 AM
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It gets exhausting listening to women thinking they are entitled to loyalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 04:18 AM
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You're struggling, because you're low on the hierarchy. If you go somewhere where you are higher, then naturally you aren't going to struggle as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 04:17 AM
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This is not Chad. lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 02:40 AM
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No they aren't. They're all saying they do like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 02:37 AM
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Not only, but higher value men are more likely to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 02:35 AM
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It absolutely means that. You can feel emotions, sure - that's inevitable. But if you show those emotions, then you've failed to regulate them; and that leads to masculine decay as is evident in our current society. Trying to play teeter totter with emotions is equivalent to playing with fire, and it begs the question, "is it worth it for what little you gain"? The resounding answer for men is typically no. Emotions are weakness, and just because you can get away with being weak on the off occas…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 02:33 AM
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Again, you won't find half of those participants here. You'll have to go to places with higher status men. These men will be more masculine and uncoincidentally, have more sexual partners. Women aren't just as toxic - they are more toxic. Gender roles are perpetuated by females through sexual selection. They don't disdain masculinity, because they literally invented it by selecting for it. Ideas like toxic masculinity are simply political moves by women - not words to be taken literally.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 02:31 AM
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Because men are not the same as women. Women are valued by society by virtue of being a woman. A woman is never truly lonely, because she always has someone willing to invest in her romantically or as a friend, where as men rarely have either.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 02:26 AM
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Women are the inventors of polygamy. It always benefits women by providing them with the best genes, and almost never benefits men unless they are beating the competition. Hypergamy sounds good to me. Of course it does. Atleast, some of the men are satisfied. With male sexuality, if done correctly, not a single woman will be satisfied. Some women will always be satisfied, because they are with the HVM. The difference is less women will be satisfied, and as a result, less men will be satisfied. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 02:26 AM
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Women have a low tolerance for male vulnerability because we have learned men will only exploit our vulnerabilities and completely unwilling to offer women emotional support. This sounds like a lot of projecting on what women do to men. The reality is that most men are offering women some level of emotional support unless they're HVM. In which case, sure, they probably don't, because they don't have to, and women prefer them anyways, and project their interactions with these men onto the rest of…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 02:25 AM
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No. The men least likely to commit to relationships are the most risk tolerant. Just because something is risky doesn't mean it's rewarding, and that's the situation for these men. It's simply more rewarding for them to assume higher risk for higher reward, and to stay non-committal.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 02:24 AM
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https://www.popcenter.umd.edu/news/news_1359750380145 The only real difference between an attractive woman and a less attractive one is leverage and delusion. They both want the same things deep down, but one will struggle to attain those things, and delude herself into believing she is content with a lesser man.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 02:20 AM
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No, because the men who are most likely to cheat are also going to be the ones that can do it the easiest.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 02:14 AM
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PPD women: Women don't like big muscles! Women in reality
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 02:13 AM
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As I said, it depends on the power dynamic. If you're a 9 with a 3, do you really think she is going to try and find something better?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 01:17 AM
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Depends on the power dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 01:01 AM
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do they lack self respect? Yes, this is the issue. A lot of men today are taught to let women walk all over them if they're high value, and that they should like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 12:49 AM
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Most conservative estimates are 20% to anywhere as high as 70%. The problem with this data is you have a lot of liars, and a lot of people that define cheating differently. A lot of people don't cheat simply due to risk as well. 3/4's of women would cheat if they could get away with it. This is why it's so important to be a HVM, or your woman will almost certainly be looking elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 12:44 AM
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Not really. It's an interpretation of variables, but it's not delusional. To interpret a relationship as love is delusional just like interpreting yourself as being ugly despite being more attractive than 99% of the population is delusional. There is no reason to interpret it as love, and it's not been interpreted as such anywhere but modern western society, because it doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 10:57 PM
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Neither of these terms mean anything. They're ad hominems used by people that are incapable of debating issues with narratives that they don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 10:24 PM
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Women would have a rough time if these changes were not accompanied with a greater ability to manage stress. Women as they are now could not last in men's shoes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 10:22 PM
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I agree. Women are only as loyal as their options. Someone as fickle as they are is not someone you should trust. Women abandon their pets 3x as often as men do. Knowing that, is it really a surprise they would do the same thing to men? Women treat you like you're expendable, because you are, so you must reciprocate it. In doing so, you acquire abundance, and become her best option as a result. If you're not though, then you need to expect and accept that she will be leaving for greener pastures…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 10:20 PM
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You don't need to consent to film them. He's also not sexualizing them, because they're sexualizing themselves. He's literally just recording the way people act in public, and showing people online to profit off of it. I can understand how women might get upset at this though considering women like to project fake innocent images of themselves to men when they are anything but. Having a video of yourself online being unholy might inhibit your ability to manipulate you future partner into believi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 10:08 PM
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What you said makes absolutely zero sense. If thin guys are with overweight girlfriends, and the vice versa is not true; then that means women are not valued more for their looks than men, or fat =/ ugly, The truth is that being fat is obviously a negative, so women are not valued for their looks more than men, which is why there is a repulsion for fat men (proven by their lack of acceptance in society and relationships) and not fat women. Like other sorts of low-status men, these men are consid…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 09:52 PM
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A self-reported survey with women lying is meaningless. If what you said was even remotely true, then things like an STD epidemic wouldn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 09:39 PM
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Yes, I do appreciate that. Most women would not be honest about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 09:24 PM
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It doesn't what?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 09:23 PM
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It's not real, because it's an illusion of the mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 09:22 PM
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Yes, the point is that that inflation isn't controlled to protect low-status men, so house prices that only harm low-status men aren't going to be controlled.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 09:04 PM
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Thank you, you just proved my point it is not real.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 09:01 PM
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House prices harm lower status men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 08:05 PM
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Most men do want to get married. The men that women want don't want to get married, and why would they? They have an abundance of women at their disposal, and this fact inherently teaches them that women aren't worthy of commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 08:04 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ppOd5PcqGg The average woman - feminist only when it is convenient for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 08:00 PM
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No, I'm hating on their disease that needs to be fixed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 07:50 PM
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I can assure you that living through a state of delusion might warp my perspective, but it would not make me right. It would make me as wrong as you are. The truth isn't found through feelings, it's found rigorous scientific processes, so the less emotional bias - the better.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 07:45 PM
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This is irrelevant to what I'm saying, but I'll answer your questions anyways. If a woman settles for a 10th percentile man (not sure how we even decide what percentile a guy is even in but I’ll play along cause I get the point being made), she still wants a top 1% guy but she can’t chase after him lest she risk losing out on that top tier guy and alienating the one she settled for. Of course. This is why women pushed for the sexual revolution, so they could spend their younger years going after…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 07:42 PM
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No, it's misandry to destroy men's self-worth, so that they are ok with less.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 07:18 PM
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I'm sure she would be considering she'd be resentful if I didn't. I find it funny that women virtue signal about this as if they'd be any better if the situation was reversed. If I got with a woman that was better than me in every single way, and provided everything for me that a man does to a woman, do you think the woman would not cheat? Because she absolutely would. She'd resent the fact that she was in a relationship with an inferior man, and rectify that situation. In reality, the situation…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 07:16 PM
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I have no need to. She should inherently understand by comparing the effort that I put into the relationship compared to her. That imbalance has to be made up somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 07:01 PM
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No, it's a reality backed by scientific evidence while your opinion (that is very much wrong) is backed by feelings that you wish to be true. Unfortunately for you, that is not how logic is derived.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 06:57 PM
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I mean, women can do whatever they want, and already do. However, there's nothing wrong with a man asking that. Women aren't owed loyalty - men are. You don't get to ask for everything under the sun + loyalty while the man just gets loyalty. That's not, nor ever can be a fair transaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 06:53 PM
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I'm genuinely proud of this man although he shouldn't of waited a day to tell her she'd be done - it should've been immediate. Nonetheless, I feel he was much more firm in his boundaries than most men would've been, and that's refreshing to see. It's funny seeing all the women call him an asshole and misogynistic for the way he handled the situation. That's how he should know he handled the situation properly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 06:52 PM
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Misandry has caused wars and genocide. They aren't comparable.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 06:38 PM
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Make sense? No, I don't know what your argument is. You took issue with me calling the man better than her, and seem to think liking the same books negates that, because it make you a "match". The only thing you truly managed to match that actually mattered is her hypergamous desires, and that does not make you equal. It quite literally makes you superior. Settling also doesn't mean hypergamy still doesn't exist. Just because a woman wanted a man in the top 1%, and had to settle with a man in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 06:33 PM
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I understand the emotional pain of never experiencing being loved, cause again if they would have, they wouldnt be talking like that. Well, you seem to disagree, so obviously you don't understand it as well as you think you do considering you and everyone else fit in the same bubble. There is no such thing as being in love, but perhaps you're confusing being manipulated by women for that, in which case I can agree. If I was manipulated by women, then yes, I probably wouldn't be stating facts abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 07:29 AM
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Therapy helps people that are delusional. In most cases, men aren't delusional, but are simply suffering from trying to manage the rough hand that they were dealt.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 07:11 AM
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I don't. These men reject help, and side with delusion. You reap what you sow.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 07:02 AM
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Because it's disgusting and unnatural, and the only men who are fine with it have had traumatic experiences that have made them enjoy being humiliated as a coping mechanism.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 06:30 AM
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I'm happy my girlfriend has a sexual history. What's the hang up about women having a sexual history? The hang-up is most men aren't happy that their woman is with other men like you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 06:26 AM
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No they don't. There is an objective level of attractiveness. She is hypergamous, and so are other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 06:16 AM
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No, I do understand women's attraction, which is why so many women are offended by me telling the truth about it. What I'm saying is not up for debate. If you want to sugarcoat things, and dress up your relationships into something that they're not to make you feel better about the things that you do, then go right ahead. That doesn't make you right though - that makes you delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 06:13 AM
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Because house prices don't harm the same group of people that inflation does.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 05:13 AM
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No, I'm being honest. If you find honesty in a debate to be rude, then I implore you to find a safe space that might be more to your liking.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 05:07 AM
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That being said, I’m 6’6” and in good shape (played a little ball in college), and she’s 5’10” blonde haired blue eyed Scandinavian bean pole (she can’t have ANY light in the room when she sleeps because her complexion is so light her eyelids are thin. This is actually what I’ve been told). Your point about being in each others 1% is something It's times like this where I'm reminded of how ridiculous of a concept having a debate sub around TRP v. TBP is. There is no actual debate when one side a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 05:04 AM
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How is it not logic-based? For women to earn an ego, then they would have to act against their own self-interests to attain it, and men would have to desire it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 04:56 AM
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It's repulsive. Men shouldn't even be marrying a woman like this at all, much less providing for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 04:46 AM
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Men aren't born this way. They're made this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 04:43 AM
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....relationships are built on personal preference. That's the fucking point. Nobody in the history of the earth has ever said "I'm really attracted to you, but all this math says it's impossible to love you. Sorry, but I don't make the (weird, unenforceable) This is completely irrelevant to my point. My original point was in regards to her acting like her husband wasn't high class, because she surrounds herself with equally high-class people. Nonetheless, you're off-topic point is still wrong. …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 04:36 AM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 03:44 AM
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The men that you acknowledge are tall. There is a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 03:42 AM
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Every dating show is full of HVM being chased by HVW with other women watching on TV wishing that could be them. There's no reason to point out one specific dating show as if the dynamic is different from all of the rest. There's also no reason to point out dating shows and opening up yourself for critique when you can just point out that the real world is set up the same way, and provide evidence for that being the case. Women want the best men, not nice men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 03:29 AM
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Depends on the age bracket. There is less distinction in women when they're younger, because they generally remain slimmer, and cake on make up. The differences tend to come down to superior facial symmetry, and to a lesser extent skin quality and body shape. As they get older though, slimmer women who aged well start to become more distinct and more of a commodity.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 03:24 AM
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He is absolutely better than you, or else you wouldn't of picked him. That's hypergamy 101.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 03:18 AM
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The difference is they earn it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 03:15 AM
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Goodbye person that is upset at the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 03:14 AM
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You can blast statistics all you want but frankly the only statistics that matter is those within your proximity and social class. Your perception of things are irrelevant. Statistics do matter, not your personal situation. You don't walk into a club full of millionaires and go "welp, nobody here isn't rich, so no matter who I choose I can't be hypergamous"! That's not how things work. That's like those people that act broke, because all their friends have more money than them while they clear m…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 03:14 AM
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Most men aren't over 6 foot regardless of race.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 03:13 AM
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That's not an Alpha. Alpha males inherently care about what others think of them even if they don't act like it. You can't be a leader without followers. However, there is a difference between someone who can lead, and someone who wants to.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 02:56 AM
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Feminine influencers are inherently going to be masculine. It's like the new wave of conservative women that think being a conservative woman is dressing up like a 304, and giving your opinions on youtube as if that makes you a conservative woman. The "divine feminine grifters" are all especially masculine considering they're all feminists or ex-feminists. They're just trying to push gender roles where it suits them using fancy words as a decoy, so that they can grift from both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 02:28 AM
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Maybe slightly better outside of Canada, but cities in general will be much worse for hypergamy, especially a very status-oriented city like Toronto.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 01:26 AM
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People that tend to have good social skills are better looking, but I do agree that charisma can marginally increase your attractiveness, and give you an edge over slightly better looking males. However, charisma like all traits is a competitive skill that is not easily obtained. The reality is that most people will never become great orators regardless how much they work on improving. Working on social skills is really only going to help a select groups of people: The example that you gave wher…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 01:17 AM
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You mean too many scientific studies from the leading scholars on human mating behavior*.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 09:39 PM
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In America? Yes, but it's much more unlikely as hypergamy is well-tolerated. You'd have to at least be a HVM, or have some sort of other power advantage though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 09:38 PM
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Yes. People (mostly women) are always social climbing, and looking for the next best thing. Women only really settle down when they get older, and that mountain becomes harder or unrealistic for them to climb.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 09:22 PM
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No I thought as much, because not one thing exists. in the same way that you can't name one thing men provide to women that isn't mutually beneficial for them. I can name dozens of things. Protection, emotional security, provisioning, higher quality genes, status, entertainment, romance, etc. Your premise is ridiculous. No, it highlights that women truly sacrifice nothing for men, and your inability to prove my point wrong despite you disagreeing with it. Typical.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 09:12 PM
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Name one thing that women provide to men that isn't mutually beneficial for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 08:47 PM
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Why would it be a waste of time to them when they typically have kids and steal the man's resources? They're not missing their window.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 08:45 PM
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It is a fake concept, and it doesn't transcend shit. It's literally a modern western invention that has never existed outside of that time-frame and place. Love is sheer delusion on one end, and pure manipulation on the other. It's a woman romanticizing her superficiality as to disguise her true intentions to herself and others, so that she can feel virtuous about her character flaws while simultaneously manipulating a man into being emotional, so that he will sacrifice more for her for less. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 08:25 PM
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Yes, it's in a downward trend, but there's a lot better explanations for that than "women are selecting nicer men". One, violence is less normalized in society in general, and it's much more common to punish it. Women are also no longer giving opportunities to low-value men who are violent (less men in relationships = less men abusing in them), and women are going to be less likely to report a HVM due to the power and value that he has compared to a low-value male if he is abusing her. HVM also …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 07:53 PM
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Attraction is both objective and subjective. It's objective in the sense that there is a consensus that determines who is attractive and it's based on the environment, but it's subjective in the sense that it is subject to change with the environment. Naturally, that means it's not going to really change much in a short period.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 07:41 PM
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Because men who get to that level aren't blinded by societal propaganda and manipulated into believing in fairytales that don't exist. There is no such thing as love, and HVM are exceptional at getting the best deal out of people including women. That means not sacrificing things for fake concepts like love that amounts to giving things to the woman for free. Women are going to be held accountable in these relationships, and that means the man gets to explore his options.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 11:04 AM
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Because it's a disastrous for society, and a catalyst to societal collapse. I also have no reason to celebrate failure, and a waste of time is exactly what a failed relationship is. Women don't really invest anything into a relationship, so of course they'll think it's no big deal to part ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 10:53 AM
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Well, the average married man is 5'11, so not far off. I'm guessing you're probably hanging around or noticing more younger/more attractive couples though. Any woman that can help it will date over 6 foot, and those women can help it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 10:40 AM
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No, it's not my fault the truth hurts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 10:36 AM
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I don't think - I know, because it's been objectively proven.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 10:32 AM
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The only distinguishing feature of women is attractiveness. There's no real reason to not go for the most attractive woman that you can. Relationships are transactional, and it's up to the man to get the best deal that he can.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 05:37 AM
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Yes it does, having a larger penis is literally a symbol of sexual dimorphism (masculinity) and heavily desired by women. Just because you have one feature of masculinity doesn't mean you are overall masculine, but you are more masculine for having that feature, i.e. maybe you would've thought twice about thinking that trans woman was trans if her penis was 1 cm instead of however large it was.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 05:29 AM
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No, because you can go down the line across every single mental illness and see the same trend. Unfortunately, you can't use the excuse that your children are making you schizophrenic too. The reality is that men are held to significantly higher standards than women, and are expected to be much more fit than them. Vulnerability is weakness, and that's why women are turned off by it. Thus, men aren't truly allowed to be vulnerable without reaping significant consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 05:21 AM
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We know this is false. Some women do like those types of guys, and some hate those types. Lmao, just because you outright lie and say nonsensical things like this doesn't mean you have an argument. We know it is absolutely true, and women do not at all like incompetent and burdensome men. Men supporting each others mental health, physical health, and actually working towards meeting women interested in them is what I'm talking about. Men are not a replacement for female companionship. Women can …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 05:19 AM
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The point is that I'm not investing into a woman that I don't know isn't exclusive to me, or isn't investing equally in to me as I am into her, i.e. repaying my gestures with sex or splitting the bill to ensure there is nothing to repay. Men have to give things to women and court them to acquire a relationship, and especially at the beginning - things are very imbalanced. I'm not signing up for that until she submits. Other men might be fine with it, but I'm not going to be a fundraiser for wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 11:54 PM
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No it doesn't, or else more than 40% of men would've reproduced throughout history. You most certainly have to compensate for what you lack - maybe not women as much, hence your confusion, but most certainly men have to. If you're broke, then you better be attractive; and if you're not attractive, then you better be rich, etc. Men don't have the luxury of sitting back and not competing to be the best among men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 11:51 PM
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I don't have a preference for larger breasts, but I'm not going to chastise men who do when they haven't felt the need to lie about it to act morally superior. These men acknowledge that they desire femininity in women unlike women who fail to acknowledge that they desire only the most masculine men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 11:47 PM
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I didn't state the definition of hypergamy. I said hypergamy stems from a woman's lust. You can't just post lies to have a point, and expect people to take you seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 10:59 PM
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It depends on what she derives pleasure from, but no, it's not inherently wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 10:56 PM
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The difference is if you're not waiting, then you've lost nothing. Millions of women are getting banged at this very second, and I could care less because I've not invested anything into them. If I sat around and waited on one for weeks (or god forbid months) while trying to court and romance her, then we'd have a problem, because I've invested time, energy, and money into someone that did not reciprocate, and that is a boundary that men must not allow to be crossed.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 09:55 PM
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This is conspiratorial thinking. It's not; it's logical thinking. Two things can be true at once. Sometimes there is no "one truth" and to believe as such is illogical and making half-baked assessments based on bias and emotional arguing. Two things being true at once inherently means one of those things is still true. When men tell women that they're doing these things for them, and women say "no, we're doing it for ourselves", then women are lying. You are now supporting lying to as a means to…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 09:46 PM
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I agree that more attractive women will be more into masculine men (because they can be). Average women don't like it either though, and even below average women don't like it even if they end up with. It's just a matter of settling, and if these women ever move up in life, then they stop tolerating those things. The problem with uglier women is that they make you think that they care to compensate. Attractive women don't even pretend, because they don't have to, and that sort of honesty is comf…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 09:35 PM
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If a woman isn't enjoying being penetrated by you, then she still doesn't desire you. It doesn't matter what the reason for that is. I will say you are correct about most women needing penetration though, and women are using the need for stimulation elsewhere to mislead men. It's another one of their half-truths where women say something that is technically true, but purposefully vague as to manipulate men into feeling desired, because that's how women know they can assert control over men. If p…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 09:30 PM
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Anyone can struggle if you set unrealistic expectations. Hell, a billionaire can struggle to become a trillionaire, but does that mean he is actually struggling with money? No, he's struggling in that very specific situation to become a trillionaire, which just comes across as inconsequential. Women are the same. Do women struggle in dating? No, they struggle to find exceptionally extraordinary men that sit atop the hierarchy to tick all of their boxes (that often also contradict each other) as …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 09:06 PM
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I'd say women are more like the middle class person that got to rent a loaded G-wagon for a week, and now has to go back to her Mazda while men get a shitty station wagon that is falling apart if they even get a car at all. Women aren't really struggling while men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 08:51 PM
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Women absolutely have a low tolerance for male sadness as is evident in the significant disparities in reproduction rate between depressed men and depressed women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 08:34 PM
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male vulnerability because men exploit women's vulnerability and usually ignore any emotional need women have. This is unequivocally false. Men are literally selected despite being tasked with the objective of being emotionally suppressed as a measure of capability to still be emotionally responsive to women's needs, so that she can pretend the relationship is more meaningful than it actually is; and I'd say men do a pretty good job at it all things considered. To expect even more sensitivity ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 08:32 PM
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No, there isn't. Hypergamy is constantly evolving with evolution. The better that men become, then the higher the ceiling rises. This is why telling men to "just put in effort" as a societal solution rather than an individual one is harmful. Men "just putting in effort" means that what women expect out of men just increases, which results in a lot of wasted effort from men. A great example of this is how men are taller and wealthier than ever, but more discriminated against based on height and m…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 08:15 PM
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Women will always be incentivized to get divorced regardless of either of those things when they have their own resources and the ability to do so. It's very difficult to ask a being as superficial and shallow as women are to sit there in a marriage and not compare her man to all of the other men that are better than him, and build resentment from the fact that is true. Women want what other women have, and men will always suffer as a result. The only reason divorce didn't really exist before is…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 08:12 PM
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What do you think would happen to a man if the rest of men ceased to exist, but him? He'd be milked dry whether he likes it or not. I always find it funny how women virtue signal when they're just as bad if not worse than men. The reality is that rights are not given, they are earned. If you don't have people to defend those rights and allow society to function in an orderly fashion, then you don't have rights. Nature doesn't give a shit about your freedom or opinions. It cares about what works.…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 08:03 PM
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Typically, no one exists to fit that criteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 07:55 PM
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Dating and relationships just seem like the one area where giving up is insane. This "reality" speech is what you tell a kid who is 5'7" and wants to dedicate all his efforts to getting in the NBA. It's actually a great comparison. Some people aren't going to get a relationship, and most aren't even going to get a good one just like most people won't make it to the NBA. You can sit there and pretend it's not true and live a miserable life of wasted energy, or find something else that you can pas…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 07:55 PM
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I disagree. Blue pill hasn't even been around that long, and didn't really start to gain any sort of traction until recently. I would say it's in decline though, and will be short-lived.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 07:49 PM
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Why would it not be? Essentially, hypergamy is just a woman's ever-increasing lust for more. Her needing to incorporate sex objects is just proof of that, and that men need to be better to make her content by themselves. I find it funny that women criticize this, but then criticize when their man doesn't focus and solely derive pleasure from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 05:45 PM
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If that was true, then women wouldn't stick plastic objects in their vagina. I do agree that women exchange sex for emotional/financial support, but that's with beta males that they don't desire, and it doesn't always mean they get zero benefit from it. Women can definitely enjoy sex too with the right man.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 05:28 PM
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It usually is that bad. Unless she makes everyone wait (doubtful), then chances are you're not the only man until you make things exclusive (and even then you're probably not). That means there is good chance she is railing someone else while you're waiting. I agree that whether you're waiting or not is mostly going to depend on how much she desires you, which is why men should be asking the important questions. If she's telling you that she wants to wait, then you need to figure out if that's a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 05:23 PM
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It's another half-truth done by women. Women do dress-up and wear make-up for themselves, because attracting men and attention is inherently for themselves. It's another convenient form of misdirection, and men need to learn to pick up on these manipulation tactics by women and call them out. All of these things women do is inherently to raise their own status, and why do women want to raise their status? For multiple reasons, but mostly to extract more resources out of men (attention, money, et…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 05:10 PM
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It absolutely is the largest component in a woman's attraction, and it's not up for debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 05:37 AM
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Women say they don't like big muscles to virtue signal. Like a lot of things women say - it's a half-truth. What women really mean is they don't like guys that look like a meatball, and they use this to exaggerate their turnoffs to act as if they're wholesome. It'd be like if a man said he doesn't like skinny girls, and then only got with skinny women, because he tried to use the fact that he doesn't want to date a woman that is literal skin and bones to act as if he's not shallow and only into …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 05:32 AM
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That being said, however, we require at least 150 individuals from each category to participate as that is the needed amount to help us ascertain if there are any significant differences between masculine and feminine individuals. Plenty of research into this topic has already shown that there is and you'll need to look elsewhere to find masculine individuals. This place will work great for finding feminine sexless men though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 05:17 AM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 05:14 AM
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Women get bored, because they share your mindset. You always have to push the envelope to keep them excited and interested. Men typically don't get bored.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 04:50 AM
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Hypergamy means the distribution is very skewed. A lot of men get little to nothing, but the rest of men are getting a lot to make up for it. The biggest issue is how they use personal anecdotes to try and push a false narrative. It's like when the leaders of North Korea act like nobody is hungry, and then show their full plate of food as proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 03:57 AM
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They don't. Men on average almost put in the same amount of hours of housework, and men are much more efficient (do more chores in less time) and do the laborious chores like mowing the lawn almost exclusively. A lot of things (like the man being a chauffer) are not even counted while the woman counts shopping for her new dress, and men work more hours, commute more hours, and work harder + make more at their jobs. We all know who provides significantly more to relationships, and it's men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 03:53 AM
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- If 'Alpha Widow' is a thing, then so is 'Stacy Widow'. I know several 20's/30's+ dudes who have success with one hot chick and now simply can't see themselves with anything lesser than. No it's not, because men are not hypergamous like women are. A guy will literally cheat on a Stacy with an ugly woman. We are not the same. 80/20 is also not a mischaracterization, and women do have it easier. - The makeup/plastic surgey industry is huge for a reason. Men can talk about who they're attracted to…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 01:23 AM
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No, because I'm not a woman. What drives attraction in one sex is likely to draw resentment in the other. I would say men are much more lax compared to women, but in general - a dominant woman is probably going to create resentment in men just like a submissive man is going to create resentment in women. Women want a man that can tell them to shut the fuck up. They don't want a man that glorifies her every word just because it comes from her mouth. That's how incompetence occurs, and women aren'…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 12:55 AM
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Why would it get popular again? It became unpopular, because it's an inferior product that was developed in a time that female sexuality was largely suppressed. Now that it's not, female sexuality has become quite unhinged, it's normal for men to follow suit.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 12:54 AM
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I'm not addicted to anything, but the truth. Trying to take away people's freedom as a means for women to control men should be met with the stiffest of resistance. Porn does not contribute to men's struggles. Growing inequality due to hypergamy is what contributes to men's struggles, and vices are the only way to keep these men in line to ensure social order.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 12:06 AM
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That's easier said than done.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 11:36 PM
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Being masculine proves TRP. It's common in our blue-pilled modern society to act like "women are always right", and to try and comfort them when they're upset, and to act confused why they're giving mixed-signals, etc. These are all shit tests. What a woman wants in these scenarios is for a man to dominate them. A man like that doesn't allow her to contradict herself, or to continue to argue about what she thinks, because he is the law, and that sort of confidence and assertiveness makes women h…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 10:26 PM
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Nope, porn is the only thing keeping modern men sane.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 10:14 PM
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Depends how religious they are. Most religious women in the west aren't religious enough to wait for marriage, and don't want to. They want to test drive the product to make sure he's masculine enough in bed for her to submit like most other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 10:13 PM
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No, I would have in the past, but not anymore. That sort of relationship doesn't work. If I can make more working less, and she is working full-time or longer, then I wouldn't mind contributing more to the household. However, I doubt I'd even get with that kind of a woman to begin with for various reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 09:58 PM
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To be fair, a lot of people are the same, but women more so than men struggle to express individuality. This probably stems from a lack of incentive, and the fact that women are consumed with status and social conformity.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 08:19 PM
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I'd say more often than not it's the fact that the friend thinks you're low value rather than being jealous. Hypergamy isn't just a dating thing. Women will actively tear down their friends partner's who don't match up as well, because your status is going to be affected by everyone who you surround yourself with. If your entire friend group is dating Chads, and one woman is dating an "ugly guy", then that reflects poorly on you and the group.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 08:17 PM
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who cares if some slut mistress compares your pp to other mens while shes giving you sexual and relationship experience are you nuts? All men should have self-respect and care. were talking about some girlfriend, not your wife and the mother of your children. If men just wanted to learn to have sex, then they'd get with a prostitute. Most men aren't going to want to invest in a girlfriend that will literally only be temporary and who's sole purpose is to teach him how to have sex while disrespec…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 08:12 PM
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An inexperienced woman may generally want an experienced man too, but they're more likely to be fine with an inexperienced man. That's how hypergamy works.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 08:07 PM
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Casual sex for women is a way to compete for and appease HVM to acquire commitment. It's basically how they court these men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 08:04 PM
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It's extremely unlikely, and part of social skills is having good confidence. If you're confident, then a woman probably won't even notice or think that you're inexperienced, so of course it wouldn't be an issue then.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 08:02 PM
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What developed from society is a direct reflection of the environment and what was natural. Men adopted provider roles, because women wanted provider men to do hard jobs, and mate selected for those traits. Now that work has generally become easier, we see more women finding work appealing, but still resistant to idea of not selecting for providers. It's like inflation - whether it's a woman or a corporation, neither are going to want to move the goalposts back. #2 Do women want to be protected …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 07:59 PM
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This is ironic considering the fact that men are used in every relationship with women. Anytime men want to level the playing field, then they're seen as evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 07:01 PM
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That's what queens have always done. That's part of their job being with a high-status man, and those maidens don't replace her as queen. She keeps her status, and the man gets what he wants. It's a win-win.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 06:58 PM
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Because most men don't, so you're arguing based off an exaggeration. It also doesn't matter what women think. She is treated better, period. And setting boundaries doesn't mean you get them. Women ask more than they deserve from a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 06:14 AM
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he only one that have a female majority and that is because chlamydia simply infect the vaginal mucosa more easily than it can the male, No and no. When are you going to stop trying to debate something you aren't even informed on? You're avoiding the point anyways trying to cherry-pick, "but women have more of this one disease that's prevalent in the gay community"! Women have more STDs than men in youth, and this is because they're sleeping with the same guys, which can be measured a variety of…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 07:31 PM
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Because she is still atop the hierarchy among the women. She is still the queen. It's not about respecting her requests, which she has no entitlement to anyways. It's about pedestalizing her in the hierarchy. The man who gets cheated on is the beta though. He's left feeling emasculated, and that's why it's wrong for women to cheat. they both don’t want to leave for the exact same reason. if the woman doesn’t want to be unsecure, the man doesnt want to be stuck paying alimony or child support. As…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 07:13 PM
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Y'all have a fucked up imagination with that soft harem shit Nope, it's true. By all measures in the US at least sexually transmitted diseases are on the decline Nope, they've skyrocketed - particularly in women despite the rise in awareness and treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 06:53 PM
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The woman actually doesn't, which is why they most often leave during an affair. She is just afraid of being insecure. When a man cheats, his wife is still the alpha female. When a woman cheats, then her new man is the alpha male. That's how it's different. There's no reason to give women fidelity. Men do more than enough for women as is.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 08:18 AM
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Not even the same guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 08:13 AM
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When a man is with multiple women at one time unofficially.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 08:11 AM
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It's gaining popularity, because the ability of the matrix to contain a veil of delusion is fading. Reality is returning to the mainstream, and it will normalized to acknowledge it once again. The pedestalizing of women was always going to be temporary. It's unsustainable.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 03:21 AM
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We need to bring back insane asylums for white knights.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 01:39 AM
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Well, they are privileged, so it would be best to be honest for once and acknowledge it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 01:38 AM
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That's because he's Johnny Depp. The average guy doesn't get that kind of support.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 01:34 AM
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I'd say they're judged pretty equally if the man in question is higher status. If he's lower though, then he will face much more ostracization than a woman would.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 01:32 AM
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This is for men and women both. More so for women, let's be real. If a serious partner did things in the past for other people that they don't want to do for you, how okay would you be with it? Do you think it's indicative of a partner not valuing you as much, at least in terms of the thing, or not? Yes, it's indicative of her not valuing you as much. I feel like we can all agree on examples where we would be okay with cutting our partner slack - like in instances of abuse or just getting done d…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 08:28 PM
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Not unless they are extremely unregulated, and even then it's still typically tolerated by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 08:06 PM
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Depends on how they're stressing her out. If she's so stressed out that she's screaming, then yes - she's acting masculine. SAHM typically aren't that stressed though, because they don't have a lot of responsibility. I'm sure that they think they are, but in reality it's easy work.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 08:05 PM
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The sexual revolution was designed by HVM and women to accommodate them. It does not benefit most men. The sexual revolution allows women to compete for HVM in their youth without being subject to rejection from beta males in the future. People act like women couldn't be hoes before the sexual revolution, but they could. The difference was that men would not tolerate it, and they would designate these women unfit for commitment or marriage and reasonably so. Men need to return to having these st…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 07:58 PM
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Not without precautions. Considering how prevalent STDs are these days among women in their youth due to soft harems, STD tests are absolutely a must. It's one thing for a woman or HVM to get an STD, but for most men getting an STD is just going to make your life even harder than it already is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 07:55 PM
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Probably 40, and maybe 50 for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 07:49 PM
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Because women settle for the men they don't want, but need not to be alone, and men get treated like shit because of it, so they both end up resenting each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 07:48 PM
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Being a ginger is brutal af for men. I'd say that's more so for the pale skin than the red hair. If you're a pale guy regardless of hair color, then you are going to be seen as more feminine, which obviously doesn't affect women. I think lighter hair colors do harm men (both blonde and red, and maybe red slightly more), but I don't think it's that significant. Definitely not as significant as skin color does. Lighter skin women on the other hand obviously won't have issues looking more feminine …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 07:47 PM
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Worst take.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 04:18 AM
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People can deny reality all they want, but it's not going to change what is happening. Men are growing taller for a reason, and the average married man is much taller than the average man. This has always existed to an extent, and of course it's getting much worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 02:10 AM
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Yes, drastically the past couple of months.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 02:06 AM
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Because the more work a woman has to do, then the more stressed she is. And the more stressed she is, then the more masculine she is. And the more masculine she is, then the more she resents you for not making her feel feminine. And the more that she resents you, then the more likely she is to leave or cheat on you. Do you think men actually want to work harder, and be the only one paying for things? No, but that's how you keep women submissive, and they need to be submissive to make a relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 01:57 AM
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Pretty obvious it's because they're more attractive, get higher quality mates, only care about themselves, beat others down, have more money, and just generally live easier lives. There's no real reason for them to be unhappy when they do, and have all of the things that make women happy AKA things that form status.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 11:25 PM
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They still don't have to be. Doing that is optional for women. Men are the ones that suffering at the "dissolution of gender roles", because they really haven't dissolved for men. Men are still expected to be men. They're just expected to pick up slack from women now as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 11:13 PM
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Sexual dimorphism is unequivocal proof that women select men greater than them in addition to genetic evidence that reveals twice as many women have reproduced throughout history compared to men. To deny hypergamy is to deny reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 11:10 PM
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Why would I not trust studies utilizing efficient methodology? If they're self-reported, and contradict women's actions and logical reasoning, then no, of course I'm not going to take those seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 11:01 PM
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Based on biological fact, and unless I'm confusing you with some else - you admitting that you were in a previous post.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 09:47 PM
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No, they're just socialized with more, because they're more accepted in spite of their flaws.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 09:46 PM
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I mean, you just said you were autistic in the post above. Regardless, you're still hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 08:42 PM
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Yes, it's obsolete in most cases unless you can get a significant power advantage to mitigate risk, i.e. an attractive outgoing rich guy with an ugly shy broke woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 08:41 PM
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Is that an accurate understanding of your perspective? Women dont actually like men generally Yes. Women are lying to themselves and everyone else about what they find attractive Maybe not themselves, but yes. Womens perception of male attractiveness is not an accurate reflection of male attractiveness Not necessarily, because women technically determine how attractive a man is. It's just not rational, or evenly distributed. Women will be a 6 with a 7, and think she's doing charity because anyon…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 08:32 PM
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This study proves nothing other than that couples where the man is more equally attractive to the woman take more time to develop, which is obvious - that's how AF/BB works. Funny, generous, intelligent, kind, and respectful are all very very sexy qualities in a man that you cannot see by just looking at him. They aren't. A man's masculinity is by far the most important quality he can possess both in terms of physical and non-physical traits. When you meet a woman and dont immediately approach h…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 07:58 PM
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I wouldn't say female sexual selection is always good, but it seems to have been good for our species. However, that doesn't mean that it's morally good, or that we should literally censor the truth to pretend women are princesses instead of eugenicists. When we do that, then we just inevitably shift all of the blame for morale depravity onto these low-status men who didn't even do anything wrong. It's beating a dead horse, and it should stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 07:46 PM
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Men aren't allowed to be depressed. This is evident in the fact that the reproductive rate for depressed women is equal to the average, and for depressed men it is half the average. Men are expected to be fit and capable, and depressed men aren't. This is why the push for men to be more emotional is so detrimental. Stoicism exists for a reason, because it's the only way a man can function in the role that women expect out of them. Do women still want a man who can be "sensitive" sometimes? Of co…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 07:34 PM
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In a way, yes. Not just today's society, but since the Neolithic resolution we've seen a decrease in selection for intelligence that has caused our brains to shrink. Social dominance is much more valuable now, because of abundance. Why date a nerd when you can date the guy that dominates the nerd and take his resources? Still, intelligence isn't just one person's brain, but the collective intelligence of ourselves, others, and our ancestors, which means we've still been able evolve to become mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 07:18 PM
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I'm about at my wit's end with the mods on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 06:58 PM
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But we all know what a messy and chaotic house looks like. Dust in corners is one thing. Lack of surface area in the living room due to unfolded laundry, and overflowing trash receptables is another. If you think that is messy and chaotic, then that just proves my point. Messy and chaotic looks different for everyone. Resentment builds in women when men aren't doing more for them than the woman is for the man. Women are entitled, and believe that a man must be greater to improve her or he's a bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 06:53 PM
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No they don't. Women just become more comfortable with the idea of using the guy as a provider as they see him as dependent on her and easily manipulated.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 06:39 PM
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Yes, along with your other characteristics. That's why it's important for people to be able to have an accurate perception of themselves that matches others to recognize whether they should exert energy or not. I'd say for the most part, people have adapted to do just that. For example, the reason that people don't approach women today is because it's wasted energy, and in the past that would've gotten you killed. If you're only a little autistic, attractive, and make money, then you'll probably…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 06:31 PM
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Yes, all mental disorders lowers the fertility rate for men, and some disorders for women, but it's much more significant for men. In general, women are around twice as likely to reproduce when an illness is present. You only live once and the last thing you want to do is just "accept and give up." Pathetic. Irrationality does not change reality. Knowing when to accept things as they are, and give up is critical to ensuring people exert energy into the right things that they can control. Society…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 06:26 PM
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You wouldn't, because women are eugenicists. That's why they look for men better than them as is the case for you. If a woman is autistic, then she will still want a man that isn't autistic to ensure genetic superiority. It's the same reason short women also want tall men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 06:12 PM
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Stressful to you doesn't mean it's stressful to someone else. Everyone has a different version of what clean looks like, and women tend to be more meticulous when it comes to cleanliness in the household compared to men. The point that OP made is that what women want from men is justified, and what men want from women is shamed.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 05:59 PM
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The truth that people on here might not like is that they don't. Autistic men are the bottom of the hierarchy, which means due to hypergamy that they are left behind. This is why the fertility rate for autistic men is almost 1/10th that of the average man. In most situations, there is really nothing you can do but to accept it, move on, and focus on something else that you can control.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 04:43 PM
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Most credible sources pin women cheating as much as men. I doubt there is any significant difference in reality. A lot of these sources downplay cheating as well, because people underreport, or the questioning is very narrow. If anything, I'd say women probably cheat more if you believe any sort of mating behavior not directed towards you is cheating. Cheating isn't the only thing men have to be concerned about either. You're asking people to emotionally bond and trust people that aren't worthy …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 03:58 PM
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A lack of people being able to do your job inherently means it's difficult. However, hard doesn't always mean physically laborious, which people tend to conflate with "hard".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 03:53 PM
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If you’ve been here long enough I’m sure you’ve seen the amount of posts and comments lamenting about a lack of sex. I don’t believe men only want sex but that’s what they explicitly say. Wanting sex =/ only wanting sex. Men do not only say they want sex. This is straw man. If they'd actually do anything for sex, then they'd just get with prostitutes as I said before. So yes, It's just actually the men that women want, because those are the only men that women validate and are concerned with.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 03:50 PM
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RPW is really just a space for women to pretend to be traditional when it suits them just like how feminists pretend to be egalitarian when it suits them. Both are grifters, and should be treated with the same level of disdain.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 06:38 AM
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It's false, because you're equating men not being shallow like women to them just wanting to have sex. If men just wanted to have sex, then they'd just get with prostitutes and call it a day. Men say all they want is sex and everyone responded accordingly and treated them as ravenous sexual beings. Based on the logic men have shown, women are absolutely correct to assume that a man is only looking for sex since that’s what he’s always said he wanted. No, they don't. You have selective listening.…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 06:34 AM
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Yes. Women only date up, which means you're just wasting valuable energy as a man by pursuing a woman out of your league. Even if you're out of her league, then you still aren't safe, because she will still monkey branch if there are better men available. You need to be aware of the competition and be able to beat them. This is why men are hypergynous, because men must have power over the woman or she won't be loyal to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 06:24 AM
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Hypergamy isn't an opinion - it's a fact. We have an overwhelming amount of evidence for its existence. Everything from heavily skewed female mate preferences, to substantial sexual dimorphism between the sexes, to genetic evidence of significantly more women reproducing than men. Even in the modern world where women have equal rights, and are subsidized to all hell - data still shows extreme preferences and choice for masculinity from females, and a significant difference in the male/female rep…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 05:46 AM
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He was spot on.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 05:38 AM
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This phenomenon is termed by researchers as the "fear of crime gender paradox"¹ because it's irrational. Irrational people create irrational behavior. Women also just don't like people that don't provide them value. That's why a woman won't be fearful of a man she is attracted to, but will be terrified of a man that she isn't. Extreme disgust and fear for most men is an evolutionary adaptation that allows women to only get with the best men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 05:37 AM
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No, attractive women aren't worth it for most men, or arguably even anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 03:46 AM
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Unattractive women are more likely to cheat, because of hypergamy. Whether a woman will cheat or not depends on the power balance between her and her partner, and physical appearance contributes to how much power a woman and man has. It also depends on the woman's risk tolerance, and how much power her partner has over other male suitors (and what those suitors are offering). Unattractive women will naturally have more opportunity to monkey branch in the hierarchy, so they will cheat more.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 03:38 AM
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If men routinely say they would fuck any woman no matter what she looks like how are women wrong for listening and taking their interest with a giant grain of salt. Even for long term relationships men routinely say that they would be happy to be with any woman since it means they would (theoretically) have access to sex. Men reduced themselves to sexual beings and then get upset when people treat them as such. If you want people to acknowledge your feelings you have to share them. These two thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 03:24 AM
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Of course he doesn't. Classic AF/BB.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 03:20 AM
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That's Chad, also known as every woman's type.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 03:19 AM
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When a man is thinking about cheating, did cheat or is looking at other women….well he’s a no good pig that’s cheating and she needs to dump/divorce him. Yep, which is ironic, because in most cases the man still cares about the woman and wants to continue to take care of her. Perhaps this gives people the false belief that the woman is deserving of fidelity, because she is clearly giving the man something that he wants, but that's a failure to grasp that men are just more loyal and forgiving of …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 06:21 PM
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I'd say because it's a lot more alarming when a woman fails. When a man fails, it can probably be summarized by he's not attractive, he's broke, or he's not socially skilled - most of which is quite visible from a first impression. When a woman fails, then inherently there must something wrong with her that's more deeply-rooted.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 06:20 PM
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Yes. That's how people make themselves feel better, especially insecure people, which women typically are. Women want to be higher on the social hierarchy than most men, because they don't desire these men. This is why they socially ostracize these men who are attempting to circumvent the social hierarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 06:11 PM
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Yep, it bothers all of them. If women wanted kids, then they certainly wanted grandkids. Most women definitely don't want to see their sons struggle due to hypergamy. I think a lot of women do have sort of silent regret as they get older about how they are though, and how they basically contributed to a society that made their son's struggle and suffer.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 06:06 PM
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Above average is nearly half of men Above average is not nearly half of men. and many of these men are fairly average. And women date very average and even below average men as well. Not to any reasonable degree, and these relationships are abject failures. The average married man is significantly above average for a reason - women are hypergamous. And it’s ironic, of course, that you complain about women wanting “the best men” when men also want “the best women”, according to what they find mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 05:57 PM
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No, I describe a majority. More men are single than women. Even more men don't reproduce, This is pretty much exclusively the bottom tier of men unlike the women who remain single. Because of hypergamy, this naturally means there is a skew. This means the average man that women are with is above average. You can see this very visibly by looking at statistics like income where the average married man makes almost twice as much as the average man, or how the average man who is married is in the to…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 05:32 PM
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Artificial wombs will exist by then.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 06:57 AM
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They're subjective in the sense that they can change, but objective in the sense they're still determined by a consensus. That means if they do change, then they don't change much in a short period of time. That's why what looks good is pretty universal across all human cultures with some slight deviations to fit the environment. There is definitely a hierarchy, and anyone pretending that there isn't is delusional. If you're objectively ugly though, then that's not going to destroy your career u…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 06:18 AM
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You said women “mostly” go after “the best” men who you claimed want to sleep around and not have a family. Sounds like “Chad” to me. Yeah, the best men, not the best man. And yes, most above average men are going to be non-committal to most women they encounter whether they want to have a family or not. Most average to above average women are with average to above average men. Most women aren’t sharing some tiny number of men. They are when they're younger. It's only when they get older and can…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 05:03 AM
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Women just want to see these men suffer.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 04:54 AM
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Most women's sons will not have kids whether they want them or not, especially on this sub. Hypergamy will be even less kind to the next generation of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 03:08 AM
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What’s the result of all this? they get older, they haven’t developed anything usable in the long run, and suddenly, they’re left jaded and messy as the men who were initially interested in them have moved on. Suddenly, the only trait people valued for socially, the only trait people notice from you is feeling and you have nothing, no skills, no redeeming qualities, and frankly, a youth wasted. That’s the sad truth for most attractive young women as they age, and its kinda baffling how the RP/BP…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 03:06 AM
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You mean being honest? And why are you virtue signaling when you've even admitted your own partner is better than you? Women are hypergamous, which means if a woman likes you, then it's because you are better than her. If she doesn't like you, then it's because you are worse than her, or worse than the other male suitors that she has. If I'm not "killing it with ladies", then it's precisely for the reasons that I've mentioned, or by my own volition.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 02:48 AM
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Women are hypergamous. That means if a woman likes you, then it's because you are better than her. If you were the same as her or worse, then she wouldn't like you. So no, "you're not what you match with" when female mate selection is skewed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 02:39 AM
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I never said they were all with Chads, but most women are with above average men, so what I said was 100% right; and plenty of women have had trains ran on them and have been with Chads in soft harems at some point in their lfie. In fact, most women have. There is only a limited amount of high-quality men, and multiple times as many women that desire them from being alpha widowed. Of course, that's going to mean many women are single, or in struggling relationships that will inevitably fail and …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 02:37 AM
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The correct answer is none of you. If you don't offer women something of value, then you're not on her radar.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 02:29 AM
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Who would be their partners realistically without being paid to do so? Who would be any woman's partners without being paid to do so?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 02:18 AM
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Definitely men. In fact, I can't think of any conflicting expectations women endure.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 02:17 AM
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I disagree. For men, I'd say the body actually matters a bit more, but a body isn't just working out. A lot of it is genetic, and having a bad face is going to make you even more dependent on having high genetic quality elsewhere. If it's too bad though, then that might not even be enough to make up for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 02:13 AM
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If men didn't want a robot for a partner, then they wouldn't be with women already.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 02:01 AM
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I have no attraction to women in a non-sexual context (romantic, mental and emotional) since taking TRP. I find the way they are as people to just be very unpleasant for a relationship. So no, I'm not pursuing relationships with them at the moment. That might change in the future, but it would be strictly for the intent of having a family - not "love". I don't pity the situation though. It's actually been a welcome change. I went from having a very toxic view of women and relationships to having…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 01:59 AM
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All women are hypergamous. Not all women are capable of acting in their best interests, because men in other countries have boundaries - there's a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 01:50 AM
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Because men also decline with age at a certain point. What sounds better - trading for a 35 year old all-star that has a few good years left before he retires, or a 20 year old who is the next big thing? Game is also a crucial aspect to attracting women, and because of hypergamy, men are basically in an arm's race where it's developing at an ever rapid-pace fueled by young men. The social skills you needed to talk to women 100 years ago are elementary compared to what you need today.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 01:44 AM
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That's exactly how relationships with women work. You offer value to them, and if you don't, then they don't care about you. It's very simple. Maybe stop trying to understand mating behavior from fairytales, and start understanding it from actual credible science books.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 01:35 AM
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You didn't get what I said. I said SPECIFIC eye dilation and the way these VARY by each person, individually. If you have to remove the context from a comment to argue against it, you've already lost. That can be randomly created as well. Any AI being one buys will never actually choose them or love them by choice. People will always know that, and it will never feel real/ the same. Women don't love men by choice either, so it's not anything different. It will feel exactly the same, because both…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 01:29 AM
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AI will do all of those things, and they'll do them better and without complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 01:19 AM
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I don’t think these are referring to the same things at all. Then you're thinking wrong. Vulnerability isn’t labor but unprocessed feeling are. Vulnerability is labor unless you just ignore it, which defeats the purpose of men being vulnerable. Being better implies some superiority while most women are looking for partnership. Women are not looking for partnerships, they're looking for their superior. This is unequivocally shown in women's preferences for men that are better than them across the…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 12:36 AM
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You are what you match with. That's not true at all. If you're a man with a woman, then you are inherently better than her, because she wouldn't be in a relationship with you otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 11:36 PM
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correction, some women. in the same vein there are some men who will prefer to have a physical relationship with a human being and won't be satisfied by AI. 95% of women prefer this dynamic just like 95% of men will prefer AI. It's irrelevant to mention outliers.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 11:31 PM
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The people that provide and contribute to it functioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 11:29 PM
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Women don't mess around with these men unless they're attractive. Women mostly go after the best men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 11:28 PM
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The human soul, je ne sais quoi, individual personality, warmth, pheromones, look in the eyes, specific eye dilation and uptick in heart rate, triggered release of dopamine and oxytocin,vibe a person puts out, and the way each of these vary by person, time of day, the feeling of knowing they are there because they choose to be/ not out of obligation, etc.; these are all intangible, unique, and subjective but still very real and very much a part of the human connection experience that cannot be r…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 11:23 PM
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but without elderly there is no society. Umm..no. We can do without subsidizing trillions on healthcare and cream of wheat. but without children there is no society. Future society* They contribute nothing to modern society, and are actually a burden just like the elderly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 11:17 PM
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mate guarding Lots of ways. Being openly affectionate, controlling, acting threatening etc. Whenever women resist these attempts, then they are confirming a man's concerns. That's why when you tell a woman not to go out dressed like that and she argues, then it's already done. You already have all of the information that you need to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 11:11 PM
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Yes. If you're going to be alone, then you might as well try to find some other purpose that you can enjoy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 11:02 PM
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Because men have to. If a woman is masculine, then that means the man has to work even harder to be masculine, or else the woman will not get into (or will leave) the relationship. Masculine women take all of the bad from men, and none of the good. They're not going to provide for you, they're not going to protect you, they're not going to take care of you, they're not going to stick around when times get tough, but they will scream at you, hit you, cheat on you, control you, and constantly dema…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:59 PM
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Because it's asking for 1 thing. It's comical the audacity one has to be talking about "asking for 1 thing is too much" when women ask for tens-to-hundreds of things - many of which contradict each other. It just goes to show the privilege that women have that they can even make such remarks.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:58 PM
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I don't know if you know this or not, but children/elderly don't contribute to society.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:58 PM
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I'm not talking about women being replaced by chat bots. I'm talking about women being replaced by synthetics that are indistinguishable from humans. People are lonely even when they're talking to humans, because there is no physical presence, and there are senses are being suppressed as a result. Communication isn't just your ears or 2d visual signals. I agree that AI can't completely replicate biological beings, because they can't replace men by virtue of being controlled. AI will never truly …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:56 PM
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You wonder why women don’t want to date you I don't wonder, I could actually care less what they think. but you think an emotional connection with a woman can be replaced by some nuts and bolts 🫡 Why not? You think when a man is having sex with a synth he's going to think to himself, " man, I really wish this woman was made out of protein, collagen, calcium instead of other elements"!? An emotional connection with a woman isn't any more real than an AI. You input some money, looks, and status, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:54 PM
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Men are more desperate that’s why they go for prostitutes and ugly women. It’s got nothing to do with “masculine or feminine energy”. If that was true, then attractive men wouldn't be doing it. The men who use prostitutes the most are the ones with literally the most sexual access. It has everything to do with women/masculine energy. Prostitution is feminine, and women don't like feminine men. Women can still date the best men No they can't. but do increasingly choose to be single in light of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:44 PM
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Hard to say specifically. 6, 7, 8, and 9 are all non-negotiable, critical, and equally important. Career could be just as important if it's something like OnlyFans as well as that would be a deal breaker, but in most cases I wouldn't care. I'd say: 6, 7, 8, 9, and 1 4 5 2 3
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:27 PM
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They dates non-committal losers Non-committal winners* These are women with high standards, and their inability to secure a HVM that was loyal only to them is why they're single.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:20 PM
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Women want a man with higher status than them, and who can lead them. Robots will be able to do some masculine things like providing and maybe protecting (depending on what's allowed). However, they'll never truly possess that masculine energy. This is the same reason women don't like prostitutes, current chat bots, etc. to the same degree that men do. These people and things are subservient to them, and that's a turn off to women. Even for relationships, more passive men are a turn off to women…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:06 PM
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I doubt it. Too often men take blame for problems they don't create. Judging by how this guy talks, it sounds like he's being manipulated like most men. As far as those commenters know, he did nothing wrong. All he did was state his boundaries, and they're mad that he won't stay exclusive to a woman that literally didn't stay exclusive to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:00 PM
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Because exclusivity is implied. If you want to see other people, then you need to bring that up, especially when you're the one literally asking for the break. We all know why she didn't though. All you're doing at this point is trying to ignore and disregard the manipulation that was done by this woman as women too often do.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 09:55 PM
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Saying you want to take a break to disguise the fact that you want to fuck other guys and test the market is the same thing. And the comments are definitely filled with women and white knights attacking the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 09:33 PM
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A woman who cheats, and even worse - is entitled enough to crawl back like nothing happened is most certainly an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 09:31 PM
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It will most certainly be able to provide a human-like connection, which is the same thing. You really think a man is going to care that it is conditional? Women are conditional too. No man is going to care that it is formed in a different way when the product isn't just the same, but superior. If you put a man's dream woman in front of him, and he found out that she was an AI from the future in disguise, then he would still stick with her, because nothing would practically change for him. AI wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 09:22 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/AITAH/comments/18tmd6z/aitah_for_telling_my_wife_that_i_dont_plan_to_be/ Woman cheats on man. Man gets a new girlfriend. Woman wants him back, but man wants to keep girlfriend. Man = bad guy. Our gynocentric society never fails to be comically hypocritical.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 09:08 PM
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That's wrong. Women don't provide any real human connection that an AI eventually won't be able to provide. The reason that AI will replace women and not men comes down to the fact that AI will never be able to completely fulfill the masculine role like it will the feminine role. AI on the other hand will give men everything they've ever wanted from women and more. There's nothing that an AI won't be able to provide men that women can. AI will simply be a superior version of women. I think women…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 08:53 PM
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Every woman would be happier running off with a Chad - that much is obvious. I don't know why people act like women are happier with some mediocre guy that she compares to everyone and falls up short though. That'll just make her even more resentful of not getting Chad - like a constant reminder of her failure that she has to look at.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 08:30 PM
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Because for some people it will naturally be their only option.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 11:46 AM
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I'm getting to the point where I'm simply not going to believe anything any woman say about anything without double checking. That's a great idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 11:44 AM
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You don't want men to leave you alone. Women wouldn't survive without men subsidizing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 11:39 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/AITAH/comments/18sj4ce/aita_i_dont_want_to_marry_my_boyfriend_because_im/ Hypergamy strikes again. Also funny how people are saying female breadwinners should have to do less work in the comments section. You literally can't make this shit up.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 11:10 AM
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Most men's choices definitely don't get worse with age considering most men don't have choices in their youth. Other than that, I agree. Women go from sharing high value men in their 20s to settling with a beta man that she doesn't desire in her 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:50 AM
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It’s not crazy to want to feel desired and it’s not crazy to want to be attracted to your partner It certainly becomes crazy when your standards for being attracted to your partner are sky high like it is for women. Unfortunately, it seems women don’t find most men attractive while making a man feel desired (even if it’s not authentic) is fairly easy. Not anymore it won't be. Men are waking up to women's manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:43 AM
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Women slap some make-up on and call it a day. Don't compare what a man has to do a woman. It's not at all equivalent, and "bettering yourself" is not a solution like it is for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:41 AM
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It's not a tall ask. Men aren't asking for some great effort out of women. It's just not going to happen, because of how shallow women are, but that's different than insinuating men are at fault. It's women that are asking for too much, not the men; and they are the one's at fault for this predicament, not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:33 AM
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The average woman is married to a man who makes twice her income, and even in relationships where they are making the same amount - the man is contributing more to shared expenses on average. The current modern dynamic is atrocious for men, and it's also unsustainable.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 04:48 AM
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If you're going to debate me, then you need to learn what basic words mean. You literally contradict yourself after the first sentence. Those are not basic demands, and they are crazy, because it's difficult to achieve and unrealistic. How can women desire a man if he’s not desirable? He's not desirable to women who are extremely shallow beings. As I said, the issue isn't the man, but the woman. Perhaps some self-reflection would help.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 04:27 AM
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Yes and no. You do bond with someone or something, i.e. shopping at your favorite grocery store. So that aspect of love is real, but in the sense you're in love with someone, and it's deep, and it's unconditional and true, and that you're souls are bound to each other - yeah all that is BS. The reality is this - everything is transactional. When you like the deal though, then it's going to bring you a sense of comfort. I think it's a mistake to exaggerate what this feeling is and confuse this wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 04:19 AM
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I don't think wanting a relationship, and to be desired in the relationship is a crazy ask. The problem are not men - it's women. These are the people that make crazy demands that aren't even realistic most of the time, and often just straight up contradict each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 03:41 AM
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Men in general are far less secure and much more concerned with their masculinity than women are with their femininity. That's because women are a lot more concerned with men's masculinity than men are concerned with women's femininity. That pressure to conform to women's desires creates insecurity and intense competition between men. With women driving masculinity higher due to greater freedom in mate choice - we're seeing the demise of men's mental health in real-time trying to compete with wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 03:36 AM
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Men don't care about other people's opinions. Women do, because they're shallow. They need confirmation from others, because ultimately they're trying to get a man with status. Most men aren't going to care if a woman is objectively attractive. If the woman is attractive to him, then that's all that matters to him. Men don't care about a woman's status, because they don't need women to elevate themselves in society like women do. Men can elevate themselves, and they tend to be a lot less status-…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 03:31 AM
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So either men want women to be with them because she’s attracted to him OR men want women to pick men based on non shallow qualities. Seems like men are fucked either way thanks to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 03:21 AM
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They're just not desirable. It's not like these men have never found a relationship, but they just typically don't last. These guys are just not exciting enough for women, especially when they're younger. Personally, I could careless if women get with toxic guys, but they need to stop slandering good men that they ignore for their own decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 03:17 AM
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Women like aggressive and toxic men, and that often comes in the form of a double-edged sword. I don't think most women like the lows, but the highs make the lows worth it over the boring nice guy who will never be exciting or masculine enough for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 03:11 AM
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They get attached to these men, because that's what they like.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 03:01 AM
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Actually the opposite. Most issues women have in dating because they are not picky enough That's not even remotely true.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 09:26 PM
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One side is speaking of being completely dependent on someone else, unable to make decisions for themselves, forbidden to have or voice, their own opinions, or to disagree That's exactly what being submissive mean. Women like dominant men, because they are capable, but that doesn't mean they'll always like what they do. In reality, women want a dominant man that does what she wants, which is an oxymoron.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 09:21 PM
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I wouldn't say masculine women are criticized that much to be honest. Women do tend to be worse people in the masculine role though. Men are definitely criticized though, because feminine men are just not useful/attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 09:18 PM
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Then they're delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 09:02 PM
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I wouldn't be surprised if women try to pull both. I'm greatly concerned with how certain topics are being popularized and entering the mainstream. It's absolutely critical men start to develop boundaries regardless of what women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 09:00 PM
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Science said that. More than 95% of women don't date a guy shorter or skinnier than them, and that might as well be 100% after she is alpha widowed.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 08:59 PM
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It depends what your issues are. Plastic surgery is generally going to be terrible for men in most cases if that's what you need, and women will look down on you for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 08:56 PM
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Dating is "hard" for women in different ways than it is for men. Dating is hard for women, because they make it hard themselves by being extremely shallow, and only finding a small selection of very valuable men attractive. It has nothing to do with toxicity and abuse. Most men aren't abusive, and the nicest men are literally the ones who struggle the most, which debunks your whole argument right there. In fact, toxic men don't even struggle, which is the funniest part. Men absolutely work signi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 08:54 PM
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The truth is men gave women power to finally select the men that they always wanted, and they used that power to double down on the men that they were supposedly trying to get away from. It's not a surprise that this has occurred. It was only going to be a matter of time before men realized that women's words complaining about toxic men did not match their actions of getting with them. Even worse, women expedited the process by constantly lambasting men for their own problems, and that's not eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 08:44 PM
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Nah, healthy relationships are not built on trust - they're built on power. Living life "trusting" people is a great way to get fucked over. You either provide value to people while they do the same, or there will be no transaction. As a man, the way that you acquire power is through abundance. That means you're not getting the short-end of the stick - other people are. A man without other options in women will either be in a terrible relationship, or he will have no relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 08:36 PM
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A component of being attractive is having money. I agree that you're not going to go from a 0 to a 10, but if you're a 5, then it can definitely make you a 6. Furthermore, that 6 in combination with money will be enough to get women who are higher than a 6 . Money definitely helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 08:26 PM
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How are they really any different? OF Women/Pornstars with a Bodycount off 200 Of course most women don't have a 200 person body count, but the average woman still has a relatively high body count. - Overweight 1/10 Women which believe they are 10s Women definitely have an inflated sense of self-worth that is visible beyond just these podcasts. - Ultra radical feminists who say "man aint shit" Even conservative women say this. Maybe you could say it's different, but they definitely generalize an…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 06:52 PM
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There is more societal pressure than ever before. There's just less pressure specifically for having kids/marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 06:46 PM
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Depends on why you're shy, and how shy you are. A guy that doesn't take care of himself, and is insecure about it as well as anxious about interacting with people that he doesn't interact with can make some progress just by taking care of himself. A guy that goes out to the gym, and makes an effort to talk people and is still shy is going to have bigger problems. At that point, he has other issues that may not be solvable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 06:38 PM
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I would say yes for dating, but it's going to depend on what else you bring to the table. If you're shy, then you have one of the worst (top 3 at least if not the worst) traits to have as a man. Outgoing women won't like you because they're outgoing and need someone to match their energy, and shy women won't like you either because they need someone outgoing since they're shy - welcome to hypergamy. As for friendships and employment, I think you'll have a better time, but of course it'll be hard…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 06:28 PM
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This seems to be a post that is directed at men, which I find comical considering a guy could have a 10/10 partner, and then literally cheat on her with a below average woman. Porn is not skewing men's standards. In fact, men's standards are lower than they've ever been.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 06:17 PM
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That's literally what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 06:12 PM
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If I have to date someone, then yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 07:11 AM
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Things being better for a few men makes things worse for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 07:08 AM
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Most people aren't getting married. Half of people are married, and half of those people are getting divorced, and half of those people that aren't getting divorced are miserable and only staying together because they're afraid to be alone, have kids, or need the money/security. You're speaking on a topic through personal anecdotes and rose-tinted glasses. Most men eventually end up in relationships, because by the time they're older women need these men to help support them and fill a void in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 07:05 AM
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Privileged people tend to project their experiences onto others. Dating is easy for women. All they really have to do is the bare minimum, and they believe men have similar experiences, so their advice for them is to do the same, which obviously doesn't work. You would think there wouldn't be a disconnect though considering women are literally the one's that set the high standards that men have to meet, but it's obvious that these people either drink too much of their own kool-aid, or are being …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 06:39 AM
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No they're not. They're not even really for advertising men's personality. She's just trying to gauge hot fit he is beyond just physical appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:17 AM
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That's not BPD - he's just spitting facts. I agree that it's time for him to accept women for what they are though and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 03:59 AM
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Dates are for advertising men's personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 03:57 AM
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Myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 03:46 AM
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? She'll never be with a guy that is 5'1 with noodle arms after being with that guy. Funny enough she complains about the guy body shaming her, but she'll do the same thing to men once she's single. It's typical hypocrisy from women - rules for thee, but not for me AKA "you must be accepting of me physically, but I don't have to be accepting of you"!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 03:46 AM
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No they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 03:40 AM
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It's already happening. Acceptance for polygamy is skyrocketing. Once it's inevitably legalized, then we're going to really see a big difference, because more than one woman will finally have a way to secure status from HVM, which is what currently prevents them from doing it now.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 03:20 AM
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That's the only thing women want men to value. Anything more would require effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 03:19 AM
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I agree, but there are plenty of men that make for good relationships, so women do have that option. Now are they exciting? Rich? Attractive? Probably not, but that's an unrealistic expectation to have. Women have options - they're just extremely superficial, so they don't like most of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 03:13 AM
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There's no need to. Your situation is common enough. Women are wired to value masculinity - even the ones that ironically criticize gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 02:53 AM
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No they can't. Plastic surgery against men is shamed, and generally terrible, because men's issues are generally related to a lack of bone structure. Working out can only do so much as well, because men don't get participation trophies by just not being fat like women do. For men, it's an actual competition that they have to perform well at. You also can't fix being short, being narrow (both facially and the body), or the many imperfections that women can. The fact is that men are judged on thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 02:49 AM
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Pretty much all women can become physically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 02:36 AM
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Of course, because you still want masculinity. It is gendered. You're a woman, so you don't find femininity attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 02:31 AM
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70 years ago it was frowned upon even when you were young, and now it's not until about 30, and even then it's starting to normalize more and more. As women become more hypergamous - they're realizing they prefer to share a HVM over being with an average guy. Things are going to get worse for men before they get better.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 02:26 AM
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The single mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 02:23 AM
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You're right - it doesn't make sense why women virtue signal about men being too powerful in relationship while they criticize low-power men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 02:17 AM
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Women are not men - they can have mental health issues and still get a relationship - that's quite obvious. If putting some effort in your appearance is that exhausting, then how do you think men feel when they have to do 100x more than that just to get a mediocre woman who doesn't even try to do a fraction of the work he does, and still has the audacity to wish she was with someone better? Women get disqualified for not putting in effort while men will get disqualified for literally not being p…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 02:15 AM
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I mean, it's true. Women's reasoning for telling other women not to date older guys is the power aspect, but then a woman would judge a relationship 10x harsher if that old guy didn't have money. It's a contradiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 01:44 AM
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Make up makes you look more feminine, and looking feminine makes you less attractive. Same goes for lifts and everything else. Of course, you can improve your appearance by taking care of yourself, but women don't take kindly to deceptive tactics that manipulate your perceived genetic quality. At the end of the day if you have to do it, then you're probably screwed either way, so you might as well get that hair transplant or leg lengthening surgery that you need anyways. This kind of goes back t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 12:02 AM
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This is all low effort stuff, and even then a woman still has options - it just may not be what she likes. This is very different from a man who can literally provide a ton of things, and it still isn't enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 11:38 PM
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Maybe they have standards because they respect themselves? Sure, when you respect yourself too much, then you become conceited and shallow as is the case with women. You know how hard it is to find someone who is compatible with you? Yes, when you only chase after high-value men, then I'd imagine it would be quite difficult for you to find someone. If neither men nor women were picky, then you’d just have random people pairing up with random people with the only benefit being economic—oh wait. M…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 11:26 PM
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What does a struggling woman have to do? Go outside? lmao It's not at all true for both genders. There is much lower expectations for women compared to men. Women have to put in bare minimal effort, and if they can't even do that, then that's on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 11:23 PM
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We need more female sex tourism than passport bros That'll never happen. The idea in itself is a contradiction. Women are hypergamous, and they have no incentive to go to a country with lower status men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 11:22 PM
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They're incentivized to. When you take someone that has a deep desire to bond and exploit that, then you're able to get more for less. Men are like broke people to women - you know you can work the shit out of them, and pay them virtually nothing for it but false promises.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 10:01 PM
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The only thing that really matters here is being career-oriented, because $$$$, which is shallow. You also forgot all the things that are actually important like status and physical appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 09:58 PM
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They manipulate men into believing she cares about him. The logic is not equivalent, because many men do care about women, and they prove that through action and sacrifice. Also, no one has ever "broken my heart". They all simply removed a tumor a little bit at a time that was obstructing my brain, which has now enlightened me. And for that, I'm not upset - I'm grateful.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 09:57 PM
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Women don't familiarize themselves with men who struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 09:44 PM
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Because women manipulate men to believe this, which allows her to get more from him for less. If women were honest to men, and said things like "I'm only with you because of your money", then men would be more inclined to ask for more, because they wouldn't be deluded into sacrificing things for "love" (free) and other false rhetoric.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 09:39 PM
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So just having a bunch of good things about yourself isn't enough. Identifying your issue is far more helpful, than just staying angry with the opposite gender or blaming others for your troubles. This is true for men. Women expect a lot out of men, so every box you don't tick is obviously going to be a knock against you. The better you are at filling out other boxes, then the more you'll be able to offset not checking off other ones. This is essentially what happens when "attractive men get awa…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 09:33 PM
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All relationships/marriages are transactional.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 09:23 PM
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I agree somewhat. However, you left out a very important part - the reality is that a man can't find a woman like that, because he's not desirable to women. A woman can't find a man like that, because she's looking for a rare man, and still chooses to prioritize other things like a career. Maybe you could say these women are less desirable (and not necessarily desired for those traits specifically), but she's still overall fairly desirable to men regardless, so that's not a good comparison. Wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 09:21 PM
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Achievement, competence, and offerings comes from the acceptance of others. You're only proving our point further. Your interests don't matter. What other people's interests are, and how well you align with them are what matters. It's not the best they can hope for, it's what everyone hopes for, because that's how confidence works. Confidence is a personal assessment of your worth to others. If you have no worth to others, or a warped perception of yourself, then you will have low confidence. Wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 09:02 PM
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I don't agree with that at all. What makes dating hard now is that women are just more status-driven than ever before, and that comes with consequences. Men don't become high-status by not being toxic, and so these relationships are just more likely to be toxic than a relationship with a more passive man. I don't think most women necessarily like the toxicity all of the time though. It's just a trade-off that they deal with, because women don't like boring, peaceful men that don't provide value …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 08:48 PM
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Women like men who do the most with least energy exerted possible. Women definitely want a man who chases, but they want a man that is capable of building himself in way that he exerts minimal effort. A man who focuses on being attractive because he can is still chasing women, but he's chasing women a lot less then an uglier guy. They're also just chasing in different ways. The HVM is working 20 hours a week sipping cocktails in lounges riding the fruits of his successes while the other guy is w…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 08:34 PM
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Yep, and also remember it when she asks why you won't emotionally bond with her, and love her, and not cheat on her. Then, you can just tell her that "chasing and needing women is unattractive, and you need to stop trying to change me from what got me here in the first place - I'm not a loser like the men you rejected in the past".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 08:24 PM
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Confidence is derived mostly from social status AKA people depending on you. I wouldn't say this is completely wrong, but what the other guy is saying is also right. They go hand-in-hand. When you have abundance, then of course you're going to be indifferent to sex just like a rich guy will be to losing a wad of cash vs. a broke guy who just lost this month's rent. I don't care how unconfident you are - if a thousand of the hottest women started drooling at your presence, then your ego would inf…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 08:12 PM
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Let's be honest, if a man makes a woman wait even for sex for too long, then she's going to dip. Women are hypocritical, and they'll get just as upset by a man saying "I want to wait to make sure you really like me" as a man who hears it from a woman. If a man says "I want to wait until marriage, and she agrees, then she is literally just using him for money and, or has really low libido, so she actually prefers that setup as well. Forget saying something like "I'm waiting to pay for your dinner…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 08:02 PM
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Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. You might not even consciously know that you are doing it. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if some women drank so much of their own kool-aid that they start to actually believe their virtue signaling isn't just for show. However, maybe you're an odd-case, and I'm not right in this individual situation (although I doubt it), but I'm definitely right in general. Sexual capital is by far the most important trait, and accounts for the majority of what women defi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 07:32 PM
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No. Charisma is difficult to achieve, and most of it is innate. You can improve it like you can any other trait by putting in effort, but that doesn't mean you'll get the results that you necessarily want. Ultimately like everything else in dating for men, it's a competition, and you're not going to get a participation trophy from women for putting in effort - you need to better than other men, or at least her options.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 05:53 PM
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I don't know why this question is asked to women only. It's obvious that they are completely oblivious to men's situations and experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 05:48 PM
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Chemistry to women means how much status the guy has. A guy can be finishing a woman's sentences, and still be brother-zoned. The reality is that there isn't a large subset of men that tick all of the boxes that are struggling, but there are average men struggling, because the average man is - well, average.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 05:46 PM
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But have you ever stopped to think about WHY they have more requirements? They're shallow?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 05:40 PM
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Imagine thinking attractiveness is the only (or most) important thing in a relationship. There's no imagining needed. It's been scientifically proven.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 09:52 AM
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Scientific facts aren't false things. False things are what comes out of women's mouths. The fact that we are biologically different means one is better than the other. That's the nature of things. Why do you not understand this?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 09:49 AM
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To what extent does the original RP / TRP make sense in solving the male loneliness epidemic for late bloomers? TRP isn't going to fix the loneliness epidemic. The reason the loneliness epidemic exists is because of hypergamy, and that's not going to change. What TRP does is give men the rulebook, so they know how to compete and get into the top 20% of men. By doing so though, then they're naturally pushing another man out. Even when a man knows what he needs, that doesn't mean he knows exactly …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 09:36 AM
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Yeah, the only way she wouldn't be gone is if she checked them by emasculating the other guy and claiming you as her man. The way you're talking about the situation sounds like they don't even know about you, and she didn't, which means she's obviously trying to keep you secret from them (another red flag).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 07:41 AM
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Absolutely. Resentment is a healthy emotion that develops boundaries in men who likely didn't have them before. There's nothing greater than a man with self-respect and principles, and that is what a man who rejects people who reject him has. If you allow a woman to fuck around with Chads in her 20s while you wait for her, then you are letting her walk all over you. You need to either reject her, or treat her the same way that she treated you, and not take her seriously or stay loyal to her. I t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 07:33 AM
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Seems like she's trying to test you, and gauge your reaction to her being with another man. I doubt she's cheated yet, but she's definitely on her way. Time to cut your losses. Even if she wasn't cheating, just the fact that she gives off that impression to others reflects poorly on you, and any woman who doesn't respect and defend her man in front of other people needs to be cut, because I'm guessing she hasn't done that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 07:12 AM
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Nope. All women exploit a man's interest for their own gain. This is how they literally acquire men that are greater than themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 07:07 AM
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I find it baffling when I see so many guys be fine with the hypothetical situation of accusing their wife or girlfriend of cheating but cant list you any reason they would suspect infidelity. I find it baffling that all of these YouTube couples have a more attractive male in the relationship, and people still women are the ones that date down. Anyways, trust is actually unhealthy, especially for men. There is no reason to trust people that only act in their own self-interest like women. However,…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 06:56 AM
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That's fucking gross. The man needs therapy, and the woman needs a jail cell.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 05:20 AM
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At at a base level - all preferences are a form prejudice, and are how out and in-groups are formed. You're trying to push a specific gene pool to the top of the ladder - your gene pool/desired gene pool. If you're attracted to tall men, then you believe tall men are superior. If you're attracted to Latin men, then you believe Latin men are superior. If you're attracted to muscular men, then you believe muscular men are superior. If you're attracted to conservative men, then you believe conserva…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 05:17 AM
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Yeah, even most bisexual women don't like bisexual men. These people are full of contradictions.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 05:10 AM
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Probably a bit of both same as for men. I don't think anyone is actively thinking "I'm going to befriend this person, so that I can make them mine"! They just like the person, but the other person doesn't reciprocate romantically/sexually, so they remain friends to interact with the person until the person's desire builds to the point that it hits a crossroads.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 05:07 AM
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I agree, it's most obvious to everyone, but the actual man in the relationship. I'd say the most obvious sign is how she treats you versus how she treated past partners. It'll be very obvious that she desires you less when she isn't as excited or happy with you, and just does a lot less for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 05:01 AM
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Depends on what you're after. Becoming friends is the best way to get a relationship for a guy that isn't a high-value male. However by becoming friends with her, then you're not setting the standard for her to desire you. What I mean by that is that you're selling friendship and security, etc. so that's what she'll use you for. That's why simps don't succeed, because they sell attention (and not desire), and so women only use them for the attention. When you only sell desire, then you're settin…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 04:41 AM
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C. Indifferent to the interest but understanding of how she needs to cut ties.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 04:33 AM
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Thank you for being the only honest one in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 04:30 AM
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This entire sub is based on one thing and one thing alone. 90% of men have to put in work to get laid and 90% of women don’t need to do anything other than show up. It's not just to get laid, but relationships in general. The fact that men put in more effort than women, yet are still criticized by a gynocentric society proves that things are very, very screwed up.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 04:29 AM
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I don’t think passport bros are inherently abusive or exploitative. They have higher potential to be so as they intentionally seek this power misbalance for their own gain. It has nothing to do with "gains", and it has everything to do with the fact that women are hypergamous, and as a man you need to create a power imbalance to make a relationship functional. Women do not respect or desire men that they have more power than (or even equal power to), and this creates issues of resentment in wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 01:25 AM
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So mens generalisations are all true but woman’s are all false? Don’t you see how that’s pretty sexist? If I say "don't approach women, you're 5'0 and it's not worth it, because virtually every woman will say no" - that's not false. If a woman says "I don't approach men, because they're all dangerous" - that's not true. You can not say false things about people, and it does not matter if that makes one sex a liar. The universe doesn't give a shit about your opinion. It doesn't care about your "l…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 01:23 AM
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And saying "you need 100k to marry me doesn't"? All women are for sale - some women just take different payment plans. What women actually don't like about prostitution is that it creates excess supply, which drives down the prices that they can charge. It also tends to coincide with the increased belief that relationships are not based on "love", but value. Both of these things ensure the man is no longer as dependent on the woman, which decreases the woman's leverage and increases the man's le…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 07:17 PM
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There is no way outside of money, and even then you'll lack the ability to create desire in her, and she won't be pleasant to be around. If you're an average guy, then you need to accept being with a less than average woman if you want to stick to the west, or you need to go overseas. If you're less than average then you definitely need to just go overseas.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 06:56 PM
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Because generalizations are the truth. Would you agree the sky is blue? I imagine about 100% of people would agree, and yet that's actually a generalization. The sky is blue, but it isn't always blue. The problem with women's generalizations is that they're just wrong. Women will generalize about things that aren't even true most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 08:57 AM
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Women want to be objectified. How the fuck do you go out looking like the modern day woman looks, and not want to be objectified? That's like a dude getting upset that women are objectifying him for his money when he's inviting them into the VIP section. Men flash their money because they want to use it to attract the most attractive women. Women flash their tits for the same reason except they want the most attractive men. Men are sex objects too along with being a vending machine for money and…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 08:37 AM
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Either that or he's rich, and brain damage isn't exactly common, so no need for men to get their hopes up. 99% of the time the guy is just wealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 08:25 AM
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Aw for your statement on being in power. People who leech do not remain in power long. That's how you get revolts. Successful leadership inspires and creates buy in. Not domination. Big difference. People who leech too much too fast, sure. Do you really think the top percentage of people aren't leeches? Talk about being naïve, and failing to comprehend how our systems works. Inspiration is a form of domination. There is no difference. There is differences in how you inspire people, but ultimatel…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 08:17 AM
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I've never seen non-RP behavior from any woman. I don't even believe it is naturally occurring.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 08:17 AM
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If women are less easily aroused, then that means only exceptional men will be able to arouse them. If women aren't getting those hormones triggered in her head, then she's not going to be incentivized to get with less exceptional men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 08:15 AM
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They actually do, women just must be confused, because men aren't shallow when they do. When women "care about personality", it always comes back to being superficial. Women want a man that they can use for something.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 08:14 AM
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Women naturally do this to try and acquire attention and resources from you. They may want that, but that does not mean they want you. You have to be able to read social cues, and more importantly, you need to understand the power dynamics at play. If she's higher status than you, then it's already a no-go; and even if you're higher status then her, then you still need to be able to analyze her status, and predict if you're as good as her competition would be. Women go after the best man they ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 08:14 AM
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I don't even want to know this thing's body count.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 08:13 AM
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Because generalizations are what matters, especially in a discussion about society. Just because there is a hot woman with brain damage dating an ugly guy doesn't mean that this is what most men can expect. Women generalize too, and think all men are violent even though the vast majority of men aren't. I don't think it's unfair for men to make generalizations about women that are actually mostly true.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 04:54 AM
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Crazy how hypergamous these women are getting. And I would not.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 04:48 AM
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You don't ask questions like this, because you no longer care.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 04:44 AM
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Yeah, I mean to be honest, I don't really even think women care about men using them for sex. Women don't even like men who don't use them for sex. Women are lazy, and they like offering the bare minimum (looks and sex) to attract a mate; and if you don't like them for that, then they won't be attracted to you, because they'll expect you to want more things out of them that take effort like a personality. What women do want is to manipulate men into giving them their attention as a means to chec…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 04:26 AM
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That's a pretty rhetorical question. Of course they are. Why would a woman ever date a male fan? Women do not like men beneath them, and when I think of the type of straight man who would be the fan of a female celebrity - I imagine they're beneath just about everyone. This is a guy that struggles to attract even average looking women, which is why he's fawning over celebrities to begin with. He has no chance with women, especially a high-status one.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 04:12 AM
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It allows them to be more selective to filter out weak men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 04:07 AM
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Men get used as well, so it's not any different.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 01:23 AM
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Cheat on her whenever you want, and she's cool with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 01:22 AM
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If she's attracted, then the guy will probably know, because he knows he's attractive from all the attention he gets from women. He just probably won't care to approach, because his roster is already full. People act like there is just a slew of men that are being fawned over, but are just too stupid to know it. Most of the guys not approaching women either have no desire from women, or very little desire. Most people are pretty good at understanding their worth, and a lot of men are just worthl…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 01:03 AM
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Nope. Plenty of men aren't very smart and go after neither.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 12:45 AM
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You should learn about what actually makes someone successful in power rather than sticking to that perspective. What makes someone successful in power is convincing others that their deal is good. That doesn't mean you're still not leeching from them. If you're any good at it, then you're taking what is yours and more, and that's the privilege of being able to socially dominate others - you're able to accrue abundance for yourself. The universe is inherently a zero-sum game. There is limited en…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 12:40 AM
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All women are gold diggers. Some are just better at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 12:26 AM
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I understand women's problems quite well. I just typically have no sympathy for them, because they are mostly created by their own volition. Any man that doesn't understand women doesn't last long with them. It's a requirement for men to be successful in a relationship unlike women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 07:54 AM
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I mean, my boyfriend has that approproach and he's able to do this without making me feel subhuman. You should learn how power dynamics works. Taking what is yours is always going to make others feel lesser. That's the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 05:40 AM
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No. They're women attracted to what OP said. The women that are actually attracted to intelligence don't go around virtue signaling about it. It's implied with how they look and act themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 05:30 AM
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This. Women don't want your money just to have it. They want it to enrich their life. When you drive around in expensive cars, take her out to fancy dinners, buy her gifts, have nice clothing, etc. then that's a signal to her that you're ready to spend it all on her to elevate her status.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 05:00 AM
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Pitiful women are most certainly attractive to men. Not because they're pitiful, but in spite of it. This isn't the case for men though who will be automatically disqualified. I would rarely say women have empathy for lonely men either. OP is completely right with his statement. Men can empathize with women's problems, but women can't empathize with men's problems at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 04:57 AM
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People tend to exaggerate femininity in men, because it's so poorly tolerated. They'll see a Chad with a man-bun, and think he's feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 04:49 AM
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ASAP Rocky is not feminine, but to answer your question - yes. The guy must still be less feminine than the woman though, and she has to be inexperienced, or he'll still lose to the alpha widow. I actually think it is the best dynamic for feminine men when everything checks though. This is why a lot of guys go overseas to great success after struggling with the masculine women of the west. The more masculine and experienced the woman, then the more problems you're going to have, and she'll never…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 04:45 AM
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This is the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 04:34 AM
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Men are not your personality security. You are not entitled to them defending you. Men should look out for their own first and foremost just like women anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 04:34 AM
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Funny how when men start trying to self-preserve too they're called misogynists. There's a reason women manipulate men into believe they need to sacrifice them. They don't like intersexual competition from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 12:39 AM
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Potential Chad depending on height, but still needs work.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 08:08 AM
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She is an average woman. lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 08:05 AM
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There's a lot of ways to define non-traditional. A lot of things factor into being a traditional man. Most men who are in relationships are still more traditional than not. Someone who is non-traditional is going to be someone who isn't very assertive, masculine, resourceful, etc. These men don't find relationships though, because women still hold men to strict gender roles, and expect them to remain traditional despite them not remaining traditional themselves. So no, women are not attracted to…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 08:01 AM
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Why is she even dating me? Because you're the best she can get. Stay that way if you want to keep her. I have to be perfect; one mistake and she’s gone. Depends on the competition. Your value is relative to other people. You can not even make a mistake, but if another guy is better, then you will still lose. You don't need to strive for perfection - you just need to win. She might be my one and only chance ever. Maybe, maybe not. Work harder if you want more opportunity. Is she going to use me f…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 07:42 AM
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Because unlike women, men will commit to the person that he has the deepest bond with rather than who is the most fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 12:20 AM
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By who? Quirky feminist journalists? lmao Put him next to an average man and put her next to an average woman, and see who beats whom. In fact, Simone wouldn't even beat an average woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 12:19 AM
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That mean's absolutely jack shit to men. You're trying to project women's superficiality onto men when we're two very different groups of people that care about wildly different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 11:57 PM
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She's not high-value is clearly what I meant.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 11:52 PM
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Because a woman's accomplishments does not make you more attractive to a man. You could have 100 Olympic gold medals, and that's not going to make you any more attractive to me than someone with 0. Men and women are not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 11:50 PM
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He is. He's a HVM, and she's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 10:11 PM
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I recently came across a video that says men who want to assume both gender roles in a relationship are inherently narcissistic. Is this true? Not sure who would say that. It makes no sense. I’m a man and I honestly want a relationship with a woman where masculine and feminine energies ebb and flow between the two. I know I need to step up and get a real job first, and I really want to, it’s just I’m having trouble on setting my sights on what I want/need. I’m attracted to feminine beauty, but I…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 02:02 AM
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No. Power dynamics developed from power laws. It's physically impossible for two people to be in control at the same time. You can try to make a concerted effort to mitigate power dynamics and balance things out (although they will still exist to some degree) to try and make an equal relationship, but that would require women acting against their own interests, which is just not likely. It could also pose a threat over the long-run.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 01:59 AM
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Women are obviously more self-centered, but I think there are a lot better examples than this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 01:58 AM
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Imagine making 500k or more to get with that woman. That's like dropping millions on a trailer. But to answer your question, yes. A woman is going to want to know how much you make sooner or later (generally sooner so she doesn't waste much time with you), because it's either going to make or break whether she continues things with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 01:47 AM
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I agree with the ying and yang of your argument, which is why there is nothing wholesome about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 12:49 AM
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Men in general are just more open, especially beta men. I don't think beta men like alpha women in particular, but they're generally just more accepting of them. Because of a lack of assertiveness, they tend to struggle to get women as well, so if they do get a woman, then it's more likely to be an assertive women. This generally only happens when they're older though. Alpha women are not attracted to beta men, but they also aren't compatible with alpha men, so they tend to be the ones who are m…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 12:42 AM
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I can somewhat agree with this. Your belief system isn't suppose to make you feel good in the short-term, but it's suppose to have positive outcomes in the long-term.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 12:30 AM
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So I am a female I am consuming a lot of "how to be in your feminine energy" content these days, I would not be listening to masculine grifters (what most of these women are) on how to be feminine. These are the worst kinds of women - the women who play both sides of egalitarianism and traditionalism to max out their benefit. "being woman is enough to be in a relationship." Not if you want a good man. "If a man asks you, what you bring to the table, dump him, he is not worth it." For a woman who…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 12:27 AM
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The only men that find themselves in these situations are low-value men that don't have any other choice. Personally, I think they should prioritize self-respect and remain single, but I can also understand why many men settle for cheating, abuse, and otherwise bad relationship. If you want companionship, then there is no other choice for them. Men don't have the privilege of having an abundance of good people to select from for that purpose like women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 12:17 AM
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Not because they loved the king so much but because they a) had no choice, and b) it was simply a lifestyle that came with some status in what's usually a shithole of a country where a woman wouldn't have much if any freedom anyway. These all sound like excuses. Regardless, it still happens now. Women prioritize status, not loyalty. That's how it has always been, and that is how it always will be. Women can virtue signal as much as they want, but their actions prove otherwise. Women have no ince…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 11:58 PM
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Abundance, but abundance is still worth less than resources needed for survival. It also allows them to prioritize other traits more like sexual capital and social capital although those things tend to correlate with economic capital - it's not a perfect correlation, so women are now able to value more attractive men, more masculine men, etc. rather than selecting people based off what family they were born into.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 07:26 PM
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There's a social acuity required to be truly masculine. You are assertive of your desires, but you need lead people to your goals, not subjugate and bully them. No there isn't. The most attractive people subjugate and bully. It's how they rise on the dominance hierarchy. It only becomes an issue when it crosses criminal territory (sometimes), because it could be a net negative on your status. That's still considered more masculine, but women tend to not like extreme masculinity during times of r…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 07:08 PM
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There isn't. There's shame in low-value men expressing their masculinity. I think it's obvious why that phenomenon occurs.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 07:03 PM
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Yes. Odds are it's the former, especially because you would have to have dysmorphia to realize you're not in the upper echelon of women. Unless you have a deformity though, then it's not a death sentence for women, and even then you can probably just get plastic surgery. It's very easy for women to look attractive to men even if you're ugly unlike men who are fucked if they're genetics aren't on point. Not only that, but physical appearance is all that you have to bring to the table as a woman o…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 08:36 AM
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How does it not make sense? Most men are not alphas, so there is no contradiction present by saying that more than half of men want this/they're betas. Women obviously don't want these men. It's very simple, there are men available and women are not selecting for them. Women don't desire these traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 07:55 AM
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Women select men for power. If I sat there and said women should make 6 figures, be 6 feet tall, protect me, look better than me, provide for me, basically do everything for me and just be superior to me in every way, then my ass better submit too. It's not misogyny, it's just reasonable expectations. If you sit there and expect the world out of a man (or woman), then it's perfectly reasonable for them to ask you to obey them in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 06:33 AM
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Probably at least somewhat if you're going out, but possibly not - those exceptions tend to be very attractive though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 06:32 AM
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Nah. Bitterness is healthy, because it lets you avoid things that are poisonous to you. These women who rejected you deserve to be resented and avoided, and you're naïve if you think that doesn't affect them. However, harming them isn't the purpose. Having strong boundaries and self-respect is what's important. That doesn't mean you need to spend every second dwelling over the situation, but having the power to reject people that do you wrong is an absolutely crucial component of being a man. Me…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 06:17 AM
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No, the difference is that men earned their power through responsibility while women are given it for free. Men had to lead, men had to protect, and men had to do most of the work. They earned the right to have the power by carrying additional burden. Now they've lost their power, and even worse - they have more responsibility than ever before. Of course men don't like being barefoot, because only slaves are barefoot.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 06:16 AM
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They're literally your personal experiences. That's what an anecdote is. Why the hell would I accept your anecdotes (that you didn't even provide evidence of) as a credible argument within a debate? But all you're providing is anecdotes of your own relating to how "women don't select men to be SAHDs They don't. That should be common sense fact for anyone debating on this sub, and it's easily verifiable with a Google search. The majority of men who are at SAHDs aren't even purposefully SAHDs, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 06:14 AM
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Women just despise low-value men. They think they're not deserving of companionship, so they act as if wanting it is an absurd request, and that those individuals are inherently problematic (entitled) for doing so. It's a manipulative shaming tactic that needs to be called out.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 06:05 AM
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It is clear to any observer that you are not basing your claims in any sources whatsoever, but simply in feelings and unsubstantiated ideas. Perhaps the ones who lack simple cognitive skills. What I said was pretty irrefutable. It doesn't require a scientific study; it requires that you two open up a dictionary, and learn what the definition of value is, so that you can stop pretending it's derived from within. It requires you to stop virtue signaling, and use some basic level common-sense, so t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 06:01 AM
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The young low bodycount hot traditional/conservative/religious women with great character that they claim they want to wife up will never And yet, these same women get cheated on all of the time. Women do not, nor ever will prioritize loyalty over masculinity, especially not status-driven conservative women. You can hide infidelity, but you can't hide no scrawny nerdy broke dude. These women may not like getting cheated on, but there is no shortage of conservative women that comply as long as th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 05:58 AM
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That's like asking muscular women why they like muscular guys. Women will never want someone inferior than them, especially when it comes to things that they care about; and women who are attractive will probably emphasize physical appearance. These women also tend to have life handed to them on a silver platter, which means they never learned the importance of having to work for something. They'll coast on their beauty including within a relationship, and only shallow guys are going to tolerate…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 05:58 AM
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This issue is whether doing x is harmful to yourself or others. And then that its self can quickly undermine the “logic” of the argument. How does it undermine the argument? If you get y, then you've won the argument. You're continuing to try and derive logic from morality. That's not how the universe works. The universe doesn't care about your opinion; it cares about what works. Men aren't wrong for lying and manipulating women, because it works. Women desire amoral men. Men don't desire amoral…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 05:57 AM
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If they were actually disadvantaged then women wouldn't do it. Women are the ones who have the power to make the choice, and they choose what they choose for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 05:56 AM
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It's because they don't bring anything to the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 05:53 AM
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No it's not. It's absolutely mostly about looks, and the mood is mostly set by the looks anyways. When you only find a small portion of the population attractive and suitable for a relationship, you don't much wiggle room to sit there and select for other things. Women have to prioritize, and what they prioritize above all else is physical appearance, masculinity, and resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 05:51 AM
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I agree. Here's the thing, it is natural for high-value men to have sex with many women, because of the reproductive costs being low, and their value being so high. In other species, it's completely normal for females to do the same. However, women have a high reproductive costs, and so do men if they stick around. Women also have an evolutionary adaption of concealed ovulation to trick men into raising other men's kids, so that women can get a better combination of genes/paternal care. This inh…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 05:00 AM
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There's nothing less masculine than being submissive to a woman, and that's what you're doing by taking on responsibility without acquiring power. People need to understand that traditional doesn't automatically mean masculine. If I'm sitting there "providing for a woman", and she's not returning the favor, then that doesn't make me masculine - it makes me a simp. If you're paying for her food, then there needs to be an understanding that she is obeying you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 04:46 AM
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It's amazing how women just want shit for free. Free dinners, but don't expect to give men free cleaning services in return, and then have the audacity to bitch about equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 04:40 AM
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These activities thrived when we weren't a hyper-competitive society driven by hypergamy. This is women trying to shift blame to men for female-created issues as per usual. Ostracism has existed for all of human history. There's a reason you don't see successful men sitting at home playing video games all day - they don't need to, because they're socially accepted. Kids aren't being locked in their room by their parents. They're being interacted with more than ever and forced to socialize, and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 04:34 AM
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What I disagree with is what I said before. There is no disconnect between men and women in what the ideal male body type is. The argument here always devolves into downplaying that women don't care about muscles, because they're not attracted to guys that look like they're about to explode from their injections. Men don't want to look like that either, but that doesn't mean they don't still want big muscles, or that women aren't attracted to them. No study indicates that there is a disconnect b…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 04:13 AM
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if you're equating emotional intelligence to emotional control, then there is nothing emotionally intelligent about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 01:37 AM
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Muscles do matter to women. But most studies currently indicate that the female idea has less bulk than the male ideal. No they don't. The male ideal is the same as the female ideal. Most guys want to be Chris Hemsworth, not Liver King.. The thing is that even Chris Hemsworth is out of reach for the majority of men, especially without special assistance. Women's expectations are still pretty unrealistic for men, which is why they end up settling for men that don't have what they want. Settling f…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 01:24 AM
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His mother doesn't count, and sometimes he doesn't even have a mother. Most men don't have any options without lying, which means they have no long-term options until they're older and women are desperate, so they begrudgingly settle. Even if what you said was true though, that has nothing to do with whether men are dangerous or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 12:45 AM
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No, not every man is dangerous. lmao Just the ones that women like.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 10:11 PM
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Whether an argument is unethical or not is irrelevant. Again, why are trying to bring morality into a logical argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 10:10 PM
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Those people lack the maturity for lasting things, things that last are very rarely constantly engaging. Maybe, maybe not. Plenty of shallow women have long-lasting relationships that worked for them, and plenty of shallow women decided to settle and are now miserable. You're not going to change women's shallow nature. They don't give a shit about your opinion, and they don't give a shit about being "good" unless it's for a camera. You can force them into situations that they don't want to be in…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 08:06 PM
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My brain is fine. I'm not clouded by emotionally-charged arguments like you. Morality has no place in an argument. The reality is that women favor men that know how to get ahead. There's no point in pretending that isn't the case unless you are obsessed with defending and protecting women's virtue with lies.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 08:01 PM
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You can't even give a reason why it's wrong, and here you are virtually signaling about "substance". I already told you why I said what I said, because it's true. >Women leave the vast majority of relationships - FACT >Men become more desirable in their 30s and gain more leverage as a result - FACT >Women make excuses and baseless assumptions to justify not getting with men to preserve their own status - FACT >Women are status-driven and only see men for the value that they can provide them - FA…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 07:58 PM
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And yet, they still prefer to get with men who are at a greater risk of doing these things to them. Seems to me that they don't care that much if that's the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 07:39 PM
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No, why would it be wrong for men when men are valued for these traits? Men and women are different. Women are valued for how good that they can be, and on the opposite end - men are practically valued for how bad that they can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 07:38 PM
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In a matriarchy, women wouldn't have so much of the hard work of childrearing and be expected to sacrifice so much to care for men, so if men were to cling to anyone it would be their fathers. Lmao, women don't sacrifice shit to care for men. Men do more work than women. A matriarchy doesn't turn the world upside down either, and allow men to split in half so that they can do two jobs at the same time. What it does do is force men to do half of women's work when they aren't busy being a man, whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 07:35 PM
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Why does it have to be about what’s harder? Maybe women are less happy working over spending time with their children. Because that's why women are "happier" spending time with their children - because it's easier for them. Men's and women's work is not equal by any measure. Men have to earn their position through countless hours of competition while women are given their position, and even then the man is still statistically putting in more hours, and putting in more laborious work that literal…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 07:05 PM
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From what I've seen quite the opposite, being shallow brings momentary happiness, I can see women who are happy having sex with multiple men, going to parties and etc... It only brings momentary happiness if it lasts momentarily. If the men stayed, then she would still be happy. Women are shallow for a reason - because it brings valuable things to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:38 PM
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Well it's not necessarily virtue signaling, though I would argue a vast majority of people do just virtue signal about this and don't actually follow through with the belief in real life. It's definitely virtue signaling. Women love to pretend like they're not shallow, love to act like they're relatable and wholesome, etc. which is why they're constantly acting like they care about personality, and that it's the most important thing ever when it's not. It's why they sit there and virtue signal a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 10:36 AM
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Data on what? The vast majority of men are not SAHDs. Women do not select men to be SAHDs. You can easily Google to figure out what that exact low number is, which debunks your entire argument. All you blue-pills here do is ask for sources while providing none yourself, or if if we're lucky - a shoddy study that isn't even relevant to the point that you're making. I provided you a logical argument. If being a SAHP was harder, then women would fill the provider role. It's not, and because they ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 10:19 AM
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And yet, studies show women select men that possess these traits at a higher rate. Just more nonsensical virtue signaling from women trying to pretend they're not shallow. Women prioritize social, sexual, and economic capital, and the more leverage that you give them financially, then the higher their requirements for these traits (especially social and sexual capital), and the less men there are that meet these requirements as a result. This naturally destroys the birth rate and lower status la…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 10:03 AM
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And what makes you think women are the ones selecting who does what? Because they literally are. Women have immense leverage in dating, and use it to select traits that they want in men. Women don't prioritize SAHD, because they prioritize providers. Pretending otherwise is just asinine.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 10:00 AM
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It doesn't matter whether they're fake or not (probably fake though), because anecdotes mean nothing in a debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 09:58 AM
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Nah. That's a lack of accountability. Women are choosing toxic men at a greater rate than ever before. That's what female choice gets you. Society doesn't push anything on women that they don't push on themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 09:57 AM
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Who dates who directly impacts birth rates. When women aren't coupling up and committing to men, so that they can look for something better instead, then children aren't being born.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:39 AM
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Again, your personal anecdotes don't matter. If women wanted to, then they could select men to do the job instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:38 AM
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Rebelling against gender roles is pointless. I, nor any man decides gender roles. Women decide gender roles. If I'm wrong about women, then I'll be silenced, but I'm not wrong, so I won't be. Women created TRP, men just follow it, and they'll sooner end the benefits that feminism gave them before they end the benefits that TRP does, which is what is happening now.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:36 AM
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Religion directly affects hypergamy by restricting women's rights (often legally) but also socially. An undeveloped economy also restricts women's ability to earn a living, which forces her to rely on men. Both of these typically go hand-in-hand, and drastically alters the amount of freedom women will have to select a mate (if they're allowed to even select a mate themselves). In secular and developed societies, women's choice and hypergamy are allowed free reign, which causes a large portion of…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:24 AM
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These statistics are easily proven wrong. Please do your research, and stop making wildly inaccurate claims and passing them off as facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:13 AM
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No, it has to do with hypergamy. A developed economy and secularism directly affects hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:11 AM
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i mean, it seems like you want me to look up a word definition, which has nothing to do with logic. I never said it has anything to do with logic. You just have poor reading comprehension among many other things. You're telling me to prove that men's value doesn't come "from within" but from society. You are beyond reasoning with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:10 AM
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Italy has a better economy than the majority of the world. You're just making excuses for women's hypergamy. The only aspect of the economy that matters is the fact that women are driven by status and will disqualify men who aren't at the top when they can.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:02 AM
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There is no time period in history that you will ever be right.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:00 AM
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Men can't even be raped in many of these rulebooks. They're far from genderless, and it's only convenient to paint "power when it isn't transferred to the woman" as a genderless issue when men are only ever selected when they have power over women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 05:59 AM
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Again, your personal anecdotes don't matter. If raising a child was that much more difficult, then women would do the common sense thing and work harder to be a provider and then force a man to do the job. They don't though, because they do the opposite. All of this virtue signaling just contradicts with reality as per usual. Watch what women do, not what they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 05:52 AM
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Most women are not working full time, and again - their jobs are easier. Men work more hours than women, and they work harder than women. As I said, women are more than capable, and have the leverage to flip roles, but they chose not to for a reason. Women choose the easier work.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 05:51 AM
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I don't care what you do. You're not my target audience.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 05:49 AM
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No, any act of force or implication of force is not consensual. Saying I'm going to leave you and stop paying your bills, because you won't fuck me is not sexually assaulting someone. Our gynocentric society likes to manipulate people into believing otherwise, but that's not the case. Men should be allowed to act with freedom as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 05:46 AM
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what does value have to do with logic? It has to do with your inability to understand either. your substance is just you sharing your opinions? Then prove it is an opinion by counter-arguing my point with facts. You're saying it's an opinion without any logic, which amount to your argument being just an opinion. You just don't like my statement, so you're trying to invalidate it, but failing miserably at doing so. Learn to properly debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 05:39 AM
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It's not just economic; it's sexual inequality. Plenty of countries are having similar issues and their economies are fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 05:37 AM
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Not in countries that they are allowed to not be they aren't. Men collectively have high moral standards yet you for the majority of sexual and violent crime, very interesting. Women don't get charged with crime, because of privilege. Regardless, most people of both sexes aren't criminals, so this argument does not prove men have a lack of morality.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 05:32 AM
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Nope. If your mother and, or father abandoned you, then all the better. Then you can truly realize just how expendable you are, and how the world really works. The only person who will ever unconditionally love you is them, and if they don't, then nobody will. That is reality. Having delusions about relationships because of privilege does not make you cognizant.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 05:28 AM
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Mama boys are a natural occurrence of a matriarchy. It's unavoidable. When you constantly tell and show men that they have no value, then they just become sloths who cling to their mothers. This is not a male problem; it's a female-caused problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 05:22 AM
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Women lie and brag about manipulating men into relationships all of the time. Basically the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 05:18 AM
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Imagine asking for deductive reasoning for common sense statements, because you're incapable of bringing anything else of substance to the argument. I implore you to learn the definition of value before we continue this discussion, so I don't have to explain to you elementary level logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 05:16 AM
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They are not that numerous. You're making baseless assumptions to justify the fact that women are hypergamous and go after a small selection of not so morale men. Studies have shown men do high value morale traits in women, and it's evident in the genes that women display. Men do have a morale compass, and it's shown in their higher rates of religious activity and sacrifice. Men have strong values while women's opinions change by the day. They are not comparable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 05:12 AM
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Yes, more than half of women want to be stay-at-moms and many are. Perhaps do some research and look at statistics instead of relying on personal anecdotes. And are you deluded when you suggest that women "select" to stay at home with kids? Nope, women select men to be providers, so that they can select easy work - whether that be a SAHM or an actual job that is easy. You virtually NEVER see a man offering to give up his career and stay home so that she can go to work at a paid job. Because 1. h…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 05:09 AM
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That's your invalid opinion. Consent is agreeing to do something. You're not unconscious and you're not held against your own will. You're making your decision - the leverage that is present is irrelevant, because you're not entitled to me or my stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 05:04 AM
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If these people are alive enough to date, then it's clear that they're having their basic human needs met. It just comes down to what I said before - women simply don't like to see lower-value men winning. They naturally see these men in a negative light, and so they regard their relationships as "toxic" even when they are no different from their own situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 04:56 AM
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It has nothing to do with men being more dangerous and treacherous, because most men still aren't. It has to do with the fact that women will actively seek these men unlike what sons will do. If women actually prioritized the right things, then fathers would have no need to try and control their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 04:53 AM
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No, you don't value yourself, society does. Women like to think otherwise, but that's called delusion, and it exists because society pedestalizes women and allows them to believe this. It does not allow men to believe this though. A low value man is reminded every day he's low-value.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 04:51 AM
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That's not taking advantage of others. Relationships are a transaction, and if you don't provide me with sex, then I am obliged to leave just like a woman is obliged to leave when I'm no longer providing her with what she wants. That's what consent is. Consent isn't "he's giving me something that I want, but also making me do something else I don't want to do for it, so it's not fair"! That's how equitable deals work. If you don't like it the deal, then don't do it, or accept that it's a fair tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 04:46 AM
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You're right, because women are pedestalized.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 04:41 AM
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Do these things not benefit others? how is looking after children not the most selfless thing you can do? It's literally continuing your existence. It's far from the most selfless thing you can do. And are you suggesting that looking after children is easier than the "hard work" men do? Do you think that by lifting a few bricks for 8 hours a day you're somehow better than a woman who looks after a baby 24 hours a day? Yes, or else women would select men to be stay-at-home fathers, which they obv…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 04:40 AM
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No, they are flawed, because women will literally desire the most dangerous and treacherous men, where as a father doesn't have to worry about that with his son.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 04:33 AM
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Tl;dr - don’t let your abandonment issues rule you, the red pill actively feeds on them and by committing to the red pill you’re entirely letting your emotions of fear and anxiety rule you. No, TRP recognizes the reality of our world - men are only visible when they are useful. If you don't figure out how to remain useful, then you are expendable. That is not fear, that is fact and the reaction to it as a means to self-preserve. The very fact that we have a crisis of men who do not understand th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 04:29 AM
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I feel sad that they think their value comes from money/sex/looks we've failed as a civilization imo That's exactly where their value comes from. I also find it hilarious that people virtue signal about this, but then literally would never touch the person for the very fact that they are low-value, which inherently means deep down you agree that they are low-value. This is simply how the world works. The fact that there are high value people inherently means that there will be people that have l…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 04:13 AM
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Men are also just more capable. A woman not following the path of her father is inherently a lot more problematic than a man. A father knows that women are flawed, and can be very susceptible to getting with the wrong man, which leads to a situation where she is mistreated or left with a kid that the father now has to help support, because the actual father has abandoned it. This makes the father's job harder than it should be. A son probably isn't going to get into that situation, and even if h…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 04:09 AM
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"We say don't do it, because we did it too" Women's opinion on this subject never fails to reek of jealousy. It's funny how the same women who ignored the warnings of a generation before so that they could quench their hypergamy all of a sudden have turned sour on the idea, because they've been left behind for a new generation of woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 04:00 AM
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My claim was justified. Why are you fishing with rhetorical questions that would insinuate I'm stating an opinion and not a fact? It doesn't matter what I think. It matters what is. I said what I said, because it's truth, not because of how I feel. If you want to question the validity of my claims, then do so. Stop circling around the argument, so that you can whine about me saying something that wasn't true, but being incapable of actually pointing out what that was.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 03:57 AM
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These things are for their benefit. The differential comes from their own children, and this work is much easier than what men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 03:56 AM
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Being attentive, dependable, engaging in more frequent communication, and having more intense communication, having a date night, etc. all were positive predictors of increased physical attractiveness None of these are beta characteristics. Predictable that you don't have anything valid to counter-argue with. We therefore launched a screener survey to identify suitable participants to take part in the study. This is at least as invalid as the survey (that I specified as a survey) while also prov…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 03:54 AM
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What do you consider "exploiting your power"?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 02:58 AM
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I know too many people in normal, honest relationships where both partners have commensurate levels of success to believe this is true. Who cares about your personal anecdotes - it is true. The majority of people are not, and the only reason it's not everyone is because it's physically impossible without polygamy. it's not why Tate says that he prefers "non-Western" women: it's not because they are more grateful for the greater degree of socioeconomic success, it's that they are more docile and …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 02:56 AM
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If TRP were so into 'the universe" it would indeed acknowledge reality, which it does not. Except it does, which is why TRP has been the norm throughout human history, and still is for most of the world. That's what the universe deems as functional and balanced. What we have now in the west is a temporary unsustainable delusional that has existed before, and will crumble all the same. Studies showing personality traits increase physical attraction over time, studies showing beta traits increase …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 09:11 PM
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Because women are attracted to dominance. This doesn't change just because the woman is an alpha. What changes is that she wants (and needs) an even bigger alpha. Men tend to be quite flexible, but women simply are not. The more masculine that you make women, then the harder men will always have to work to keep up. Because these men aren't sexually attractive to women, then that means they have to either accept a situation where a woman is settling for him and using him for security, or move som…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 08:34 PM
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No. The core of why people select attractive partners is because it gives their offspring more status. However, mating with an attractive partner doesn't mean you'll have attractive kids. The odds will still be low regardless. Thus, the best strategy for a man to raise his own (and their offspring's) status is actually quantity and not quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 08:28 PM
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What does this have to do with men being required to manipulate women? This is not an opinion; it's a fact. Men are literally bred by women for dominance. You have no clue how men work, or how any of this stuff works. You are naïve, which is why you bring up illogical concepts like "love". The more "good" a man is, then the less likely he is to be successful with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 08:09 PM
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Which one? There are multiple claims. You're more than welcome to pick apart each one that you disagree with with proof of your own (or at least an actual logical counter-argument) instead of whining that they're not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 07:34 PM
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On reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 07:27 PM
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They do. A man that isn't control of the relationship will not last. All men need to assert dominance and manipulate women in the relationship. Even a guy that is attractive will not survive on appearance alone, and even appearance at its core is manipulation. Women simply are not attracted to men who don't hold frame, and to hold frame you must manipulate. However, whether manipulation is good or bad is subjective. A woman will readily get in a relationship with a rich attractive guy, and think…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 07:19 PM
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Here's another one to encourage men to think past all the pills: it's hampering your progress and learning. Hampering your learning is literally rejecting reality, so that you can have a happy positive image of the world that suits you like what you do. The universe doesn't give a shit if you're happy or not. It gives a shit about what functionally works, and denialism will never make you successful in the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 07:03 PM
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Nah, most women definitely are. Women leave relationships a lot more than men. A woman is more likely to leave even after 25 than a man is. It's not until their 30s that men typically start to get a bit more leverage, but even then they are unlikely to leave leave. Women just use this as an excuse to justify their behavior. "If men think I look less pretty with age, then why would I even get with them" since they'll just leave? Women are incapable of seeing a life where they aren't constantly do…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:51 PM
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They don't. More than 80% of men stick with them, even though they shouldn't. The difference may be significant between men and women, but it's still very uncommon to do unless the person in question is younger and in need of assistance in which case women will be more likely to leave. The reality is that it makes very little sense to divorce for most people when they're old and decrepit themselves. It especially makes little sense for women to leave resources on the table that they stand to inh…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:21 PM
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Men have to manipulate women to get with them. This is not an exclusive trait of international women. There is a hierarchy in America, and a hierarchy for the greater world. A man may be low on the totem pole in America, but that doesn't mean he is in other countries. You can't whine about manipulation and abuse either when women literally actively seek men with power at all socioeconomic levels (whether they need to or not).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:19 PM
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When you accept the fact that women are hypergamous, then you accept the fact that you need to go somewhere where you're higher value. It does not matter if you're a Chad in America or a Bill in Thailand - Women are using you all the same, and you must put yourself in a position to be used if you want to attract a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:15 PM
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No, men are responsible for being men. They're not responsible for you being sad that you got cheated on (his right to do as a man who works hard), or not helping you be a surrogate mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 05:45 PM
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Because they consume too much of their own shit. All of this virtue signaling that women do actually has them believing that women are good, and that even though they individually may be shallow - there are still plenty of hot women out there for everyone. They also don't know any better, because women don't interact with these men. This is not even a matter of attraction and mating, but women literally don't even see these men as people, and studies have proven as much. When you don't offer val…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 05:37 PM
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Because you're conflating feminine gender roles with men. A man isn't at fault for cheating, because there's nothing wrong with him doing so. He's acting as intended. It's only an issue when women get upset, which yes, is their own fault because they chose the situation. Single moms son does a crime: "It's clearly his mother's fault men need a father figure" Again, why would it be men's fault when the woman literally chose him for that specific purpose? That's like a man picking a cracked out ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 08:27 AM
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Might want to get it inspected then. There's nothing bitter about calling a spade a spade.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 08:16 AM
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The manosphere does not encourage men to take power without responsibility. In fact, these men are frequently shamed.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 07:49 AM
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Well, then we are clearly not compatible Best of luck in your future endeavors We'll be saying the same thing to feminism soon enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 07:44 AM
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Because a woman's idea of an "exciting conversation" is about as shallow as everything else about them. It's a waste of time, and most men don't care to even try. That is what more men need to realize; not that they need to put even more effort to attract some trashy woman that is even worse at holding conversation, and think she's entitled to men entertaining her, but also whines when you put her in her place.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 07:39 AM
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There's no man who wouldn't get a GF in 5 if the women were reciprocating. In fact, that's the situation for the vast majority of men. This woman is delusional. 20 matches out of 1300 means she's almost certainly swiping on less than 1% of men. I'm assuming she is not in the top 1% of women either (or probably anywhere close), so it's safe to say that she's probably completely delusional as per usual. It never ceases to amaze me how allergic women are to responsibility to the point that they'll …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 07:28 AM
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Neither.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 07:17 AM
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How is it a "crumbling" idea when women still uphold gender norms in dating? You yourself brag about not dating men who make less than you, which upholds the rigid gender norm of men needing to earn a high threshold to be considered a "good" partner. These people can't help but stumble over their own words, and contradict themselves when they're always virtue signaling to push a narrative that doesn't exist in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 07:16 AM
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Whether there is hypocrisy on such a small point is hard to say It's not hard to say at all - it's hypocrisy plain and simple. Denying that is just being willfully ignorant. Some women argue that even with lower birthrates and modern medicine greatly reducing women's greater reproductive costs, the costs remain greater. Thus, if certain other dating customs advantage women slightly, that is fine. It is not hypocritical to argue that even in a legal egalitarian society, men having to pay for and …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:35 AM
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Yes, but virtually everything feminist women do is hypocritical, which is the norm for women. These people simply lack values. They are only capable of doing things that are in their benefit, and don't know what it's like to suffer for something that is more important than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:30 AM
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I don't agree that they aren't a red flag, because ultimately - women decide what they like and don't like. I agree that they're less likely to be dangerous though, so that's obviously not why women don't like them. Women are the least attracted to harmless men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 05:49 AM
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Women definition of going for a medium ugly guy is going for a medium ugly Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 02:42 AM
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Both sides are after control. The difference is that women have way too much control for how much responsibility they have. Women's "autonomy" just amounts to lowering their own value while raising other men's value. It amounts to the systemic abuse of men where women are given freedom to do whatever, and then men are socially pressured into accepting this behavior. It's not like women couldn't do the same things they do now in the past, but the difference is that their actions had consequences,…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 02:13 AM
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Then don't. TRP doesn't make you do anything. It just shows you the truth. The issue is when you pretend it's not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 01:48 AM
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"Love" isn't a real concept. It's 100% just manipulation, and of course that means times are changing when men are being manipulated en masse for the first time ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 06:45 AM
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If that was true, then women wouldn't all be chasing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 06:44 AM
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There's zero reason for men to put any emotional effort into women. Women don't deserve it. I agree with you that men shouldn't be "emotionally cheating" only for that reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 06:28 AM
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If a woman’s value is tied to her looks, why should she NOT start cheating once she becomes undesirable? This makes zero sense. Why would a woman cheat when she stops providing value? She should be thanking the heavens that someone wants to stay with her despite this. It's the man that should be cheating, because he is the one getting the raw end of the deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 06:25 AM
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Except plenty of men that don't have to still stick around with their old, fat, ugly wives. You don't see women sticking around with men that don't provide value to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 02:24 AM
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Yep, this is why you get more than one wife, so that they beat each other up instead of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 02:21 AM
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It wouldn't be lucrative enough, because women wouldn't go. Women go to clubs for validation, attention, and free stuff from men that they pretend they don't care about. These clubs would be a failure just like female-only gyms. Women can virtue signal as much as they want, but it's obvious what their intentions are.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 02:17 AM
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Except women have conveniently played along. These tales existed for centuries, but it's only recently that women used them as a form of manipulation against men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 01:55 AM
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That's a false equivalency. I have no desire to be a woman regardless of the situation. Now since the male equivalent of a woman in Afghanistan is a man living in the gynocentric west - I can still comfortably say that living under the oppression of women and their alphas is still superior to dying in Ukraine to defend women that are cheating on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 01:51 AM
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Because when you promote hypergamy, then the odds that your offspring will be in the top echelon of men that they are required to be in is very low. Having two attractive parents doesn't make you attractive, nor will it make you likely to be attractive. It will simply make you more likely to be attractive than someone who doesn't have two attractive parents. When the odds are so low, then you're better off actually playing them. However, most women these days don't. They don't have an abundance …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 01:46 AM
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Most of the guys aren't going to care that much (if at all). I've seen a lot attractive women with sons that will probably not reproduce, and it looks like it bothers the mother more than the son. Although, I do feel bad for the men, I personally find it hilarious and well-deserved. Karma is real.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 11:25 PM
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It doesn't matter what you think - it matters what a majority of women think, and the majority of women get off on feeling freakishly small. Women like to be dominated, and excessive height is one way for men to dominate them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 11:19 PM
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No it's not. Being active and eating healthy correlates to good health. Bulking up to look like an ape for women does nothing for your health, and is actually more likely to harm your health.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 11:09 PM
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No, the most fit people are seen as the most attractive men. A woman is going to take a 6'3 Chad who lives 65 years over a 5'3 skinny guy who lives 90.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 11:03 PM
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Because they are not apart of the west, and they are increasing in East Asia (even more rapidly).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 10:41 PM
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The only way you will truly know if a man is interested if he approaches you and pursues you in a masculine way. I would say this is more true for women. However, "not liking the woman more" is not the same as not approaching her. Men can and should approach women if they want to be successful, but they should not emotionally bond with them, especially more than the woman has. You can fake it some if you need to, but you should always have one foot out the door, and never genuinely care about he…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 08:46 PM
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Nah. If all you need is a few tweaks to your face, then sure. Men's issues tend to revolve around bone structure, whether it be their face or body, and that's not easily fixable.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 08:39 PM
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Harder life is subjective It's not subjective. Easier in some ways, harder in others. It's much harder in the vast majority of ways. Women's lives do not compare to what men have to endure. Whichever is easier depends on the viewer. It depends if they're delusional or not, sure. My sentiment is that, like other things, men are probably over-represented at the extremes, with the average life difficulty being roughly similar. Men are dying in Ukraine right now while women are free to take pictures…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 08:29 PM
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More like civilized world. East Asia has even bigger problems. Single men are increasing at a rapid rate in these countries. Denying that is just delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 08:21 PM
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Boring is subjective. When women say it; it's generally in regards to men who deviate from high status behavior (competing). i.e. someone who drives a big Ford truck with lifts or Lamborghini will be seen as exciting while a man who drives a minivan will be seen as boring. This is ultimately because women only want to get to know people that can give them something that they find useful. It should not matter if other people find you boring, and I could personally care less. The only person that …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 08:19 PM
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The issue is that, in the short-term, only physical traits appear to meaningfully influence female sexual desire. In the long-term, the traits touted by TRP have a variable effect on female attraction and essentially depend on results, i.e. dominant behavior is attractive to the extent that a man is a general winner of those dominance contests.* Contrast that with the "Beta traits," like kindness and altruism, which in the long-term make a man more physically attractive to women. Waiting at the …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 08:08 PM
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Of course they do. Women use men for the sole purpose of extracting value from them. When you accept that fact, then everything starts to make sense, and all of those unnecessary things that you do that don't provide value to women are either going to be ignored, or most likely criticized.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 07:46 PM
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The patriarchy is a myth fabricated by its designers (women) as a way for women to garner support from agreeable men as a means to turn around and then subjugate them. I can agree that suicide doesn't necessarily mean you have had a harder life though, but men do have harder lives regardless of suicide and because of suicide, so that point is moot.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 07:38 PM
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Most average men are date well enough. It's not easy but the reddit narrative of "impossible to date as an average" man is stupid. This includes online dating as well; my average looking male friends almost strictly date online. Hookups aside, if you have genuine issues finding dates, it's either not your looks or you're actually unattractive, not average. I strongly disagree. Most modern average men suffer. That doesn't mean most have never had a date/sex in their life, but it's a struggle to g…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 07:31 PM
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Why would you get married? What benefit is there other than keeping a manipulative woman from leaving? The social contract is broken. The only reason men still get married is because they're manipulated by these women to believe that "love" is real and that marriage is a necessary step in the process. This type of manipulation allows women to extract resources out of men for free, and it must end.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 07:24 PM
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Yep. Women will ironically penalize you for being "too honest and good" anyways. They don't like men who can't be shitty to get ahead. Men need to learn to treat women like they deserve, and they don't deserve nobleness, nor should men give it to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 06:28 PM
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Women are not attracted to honesty. They're attracted to shallowness, because they're shallow beings themselves, and you have to play by their game. You'll always be better off lying than telling the truth with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 06:25 PM
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How is posts from a niche sub proof of anything? The blue pill is always making the most baseless assumptions, because they have no real studies to source from. Even if what you say is true (which you provide no evidence - just conjecture), then all you're showing is that a certain demographic of men are susceptible. Unfortunately for you, low-value emotional men without any sort of experience is not reflective of the majority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 05:48 PM
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No one is "themselves" in dating just like they aren't in job interviews. If everyone was themselves, then hypergamy would be even worse than it already is. Women are obsessed with status, and if you don't at least try to pretend to be able to project that, then you won't be successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 05:35 PM
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This is mostly caused by too much being expected of men, so naturally - it's hard to keep up with everything. Life was much simpler for them when there was clear and defined gender roles instead of the man having to do half of the woman's work as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 05:32 PM
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There's lots of ways. I won't disclose my favorite method, but eye tests generally work well. Lots of women claim to be virgins or have low body counts, and you can tell they're full of shit. They have a very masculine energy that is not conducive to modesty. Of course, being modest doesn't mean you are a virgin, but there is a strong correlation. There are a lot of personality traits that you can pick up on that correlate as well. Eventually, you can make a pretty good prediction based off how …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 07:26 AM
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"I told her I was bisexual to scare her off" Never fails.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 04:49 AM
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No it's not. Men hold the majority of responsibility, so naturally, they should also want to hold a majority of the power.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 04:08 AM
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Yes, why wouldn't it? And yes, it probably helps your status and even your looks if you allow it to. All three tend to correlate with each other, and all three is what women seek out of a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 03:43 AM
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There is none outside of having children and maybe more frequent sex. If you think there is, then congratulation - you are being manipulated.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 03:34 AM
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Fatherless women most certainly do have standards. Their standards just look different. A fatherless woman will expect commitment less while other women will expect it more. Both of these women want HVM though, and they're hit with an unhealthy dose of reality when they realize that no HVM will probably ever commit to them in the way that they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 11:57 PM
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Men doing half of the chores is not men ‘doing women’s work,’ it’s men doing their own fair share, unless she’s a SAHM or working fewer hours than him. No it's not, because women aren't doing their fair share. Traditionally, gender roles were men doing what they were best at and women doing the rest. The problem is women aren't taking on anymore responsibility. Men can do half the chores when women are doing half of everything else. Even then, she needs to get at least one day off a week, just l…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 11:52 PM
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All women are entitled. Fatherless women really don't have much lower standards for their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 09:11 PM
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I think they actually do (obviously less so than the finished product), but most men don't have potential. That's the truth that people need to accept. There's no loophole for hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 09:07 PM
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Men are expected to uphold their gender role/traditional role, and women are not. This creates a massive power imbalance where men are doing everything for women - their chores, still paying their bills, still protecting them, etc. while women are doing nothing for men. However, despite having even less responsibility than ever before, women have gained more power, which inherently means men have less. This is tantamount to the enslavement of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 09:03 PM
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There's a lot more issues that men have to deal with that women don't. Relationships with women have become a very bad deal for men, especially marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 08:57 PM
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Not much. The reality is that if you're autistic and can find a relationship, then you're lucky. Most autistic guys are going to struggle. To be honest, I think it's better to accept that fact, and turn your attention to something else. If a relationship still comes to you, then great. However, you're better off not focusing on it, and wasting time stressing on something that's probably not going to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 08:39 PM
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Virtue signaling aside, the rest of women don't share your opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 08:33 PM
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Women lie to manipulate you. I don't know your situation. Perhaps you actually are the hottest guy she ever dates, but more times than not that will just be a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 08:32 PM
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It's only toxic masculinity if the guy is ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 06:56 PM
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Both are equally important. Relationships are what ultimately keep the hope alive. What we're seeing now is the hope dying in men, because relationships are becoming harder to come by, and most of them still end up failures.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 04:32 AM
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She will resent men in general for her bad experiences in the past, and then she will resent you for not being as attractive as them in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 04:28 AM
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Just because you have piss poor reading comprehension and don’t like what I said because I was licking your asshole for existing doesn’t make what I said illogical. If you can’t comprehend what I said that’s fine, I don’t spect most of the people to be capable of nuance. There's nothing of substance to comprehend. You've deviated so far from the actual point in your quest to absolve women of responsibility that the discussion has become irrelevant. The original point was that TRP points out fact…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 04:04 AM
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Massive turn off. These women are masculine, and as always - the more masculine the woman is, then the harder you have to compete to try and keep her in your frame. It's not worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 03:53 AM
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Men feel entitled to women’s attention, validation and their labor. Lmao, no they don't. And they’re willing to enslave them through economic, religious, and cultural means to get it. Women have never done that. Even if they are entitled. Men are worse. Men are already enslaved. The modern man is a slave to women and are not allowed to have any sort of power while holding all of the responsibility. Men are not any worse. If anything, they're better.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 03:52 AM
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More than likely. The woman will come to you used, and she'll resent you for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 03:50 AM
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You didn't answer my question. Why would they only appeal to outcasts? What makes women better than what we will be able to build in the future? The majority of men will also have no problem getting a synthetic that is superior in every way. Why would they choose an inferior option? "They would only appeal to outcasts because I say so" is not a logical argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 03:42 AM
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Aren’t you supposed to be h the e superior sex? Why can’t you guys figure that stuff out? You're just making illogical arguments after illogical argument that's not even discussing the actual point so you can try and paint blame on men for things that women control. It's not going to work. Aren’t you supposed to be h the e superior sex? Why can’t you guys figure that stuff out? That's not what avoiding the argument means.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 03:38 AM
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The people who control the work conditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 10:01 PM
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The only thing wrong with that post is that he thinks he should have to wait. He has every right to have sex with who he wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 09:55 PM
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It's not whining; it's point out facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 09:53 PM
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Maybe inform yourself with data instead of trying to continue to push opinions as facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 09:12 PM
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They're not competing, because they realize that it's pointless and not worth the effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 09:09 PM
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The difference is he doesn't. If a man marries you, then more than likely he's going to stick it it out with you even if a better option comes along unlike women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 09:08 PM
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And I’ve already explained why it won’t be popular. Most people have things like normal social circles, friends and relationships and so “this thing doesn’t even have a choice!” Is a sadder option than “hey wanna hang out?!” Most people don't have "normal social circles". Most people have a couple of (or less) friends, and most people are barely holding onto a relationship (if they have one at all). It's also getting worse, so men don't actually have a choice. Even if they did though, AI will ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 09:08 PM
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How would that not be the case? In what way would they not be superior? They would appeal to every man, because they'll just be inherently better. People are not going to turn away a better deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 09:07 PM
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No. You will have more options in your 30s as women look to settle, but they'll be worse than having no options.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 09:05 PM
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I've noticed that a lot of dating seems to revolve around the idea of neither side looking "too needy" which leads to both genders competing to see who can show the least interest in the other. The man is the one that is suppose to not look needy. The woman might act indifferent at first, but she'll be lured by your indifference if she's attracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 09:00 PM
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Who is saying you can't be sexually free? Telling the truth about women doesn't prevent you from being "sexually free". It just prevents you from manipulating men while being sexually free at the same time. Women feel entitled to men's attention, their validation, and their labor, and that needs to be done away with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 08:56 PM
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Yes. A lot of men who go from being ignored to getting attention are naturally going to see through women and not take them seriously. I wouldn't say t's always resentful necessarily (although that definitely exists), but it's definitely going to lead you to not respect or take women seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 08:41 PM
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"Lonely" and "alone" are two different things. I think men are better at being isolated than women so they might be less lonely, but men are definitely are more alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 08:38 PM
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It's very bad, and makes the woman less likely to commit long-term. A woman should only have sex with the person she wants to commit the rest of her life too. Otherwise, she's always going to be a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 08:31 PM
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No they're not. It's simply advice, and people can do what they want with it. It's physically impossible for every man to win anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 08:29 PM
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It's not "suppose to work". It's suppose to tell men the truth about women, and what they need to compete and win.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 08:27 PM
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The vast majority of them until they hit the wall, and then the same women will try to use the guys that she rejected to settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 06:16 PM
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No they don't. Plenty of sex toys and "alternative release options" are mainstream - they're popular. Just because some aren't doesn't mean others won't be. AI has the capability to be a mix of all them and more. When it's indistinguishable from a woman, then every man is going to adopt it. Why would they not? Because VR porn wasn't popular the first 10 years of it's existence? lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 05:17 PM
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I agree if they have a good frame/genetics. Lots of men (especially shorter frames) don't look athletic even when they're athletic. It'll also depend on your face and how carry that. If you exude masculine energy along with having muscles, then women will respect you more than a soft and skinny 6' guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 05:09 PM
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"It will niche because I say so"! Nice logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 04:58 PM
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They do. That's why indifferent men succeed, and simps fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 07:27 AM
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These “pill” debates rely so heavily on the true nature of the genders, but what if none of those apply to you? Am I just supposed to accept that I’m some weird hybrid minority Yes. Most people are the same and conform to society pretty closely. People that deviate from the norm exist, but they are obviously not common.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 07:26 AM
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Women: I don't go to the gym to get male attention Also women: Where are the men and why are they not approaching me!??
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 07:20 AM
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No, but good for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 07:17 AM
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No it's not. Women want a leader, and you're deferring to her by doing that. If she doesn't want to give you her number, then she won't, but she'll never think you're attractive if you treat her like you respect her.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 05:04 AM
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like you are her prince. Lol, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 05:02 AM
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And plenty of women who have used that insult have slept with that person. You also don't have to use an insult to insult someone. A woman not getting with men or breaking up with them for that reason is just as insulting, and is obviously going to make men feel insecure about themselves. The vast majority of women are not ok with a man who has a smaller than average penis, and yet you sit here and virtue signal, and act like it's men's fault for being insecure about it just like women do with a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 03:48 AM
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Men do provide what women want. They just don't provide it to the degree that they want it, because their expectations have not only become unreasonable, but they've become unrealistic. It is a shitty market, and that's why men are checking out of it, and men are going to call it what it is. Women love to absolve themselves of responsibility, so they can't paint themselves in a virtuous light, but it's not going to fly anymore. Have you're unreasonable expectations if you want, but men are no lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 03:43 AM
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My explanation is simple. There is only a small number of people that are so unlikable that the only way forward for them is to program a machine to pretend that it’s pleasant to be around them. A robot has the capability to provide more than just "pleasantry". They have the capability to literally do everything a woman does but better, and plenty of people are single and don't even have friends. They'll be the early adopters, and as they get more refined they'll simply be upgrades for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 03:40 AM
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No it's not, because it's outrageous. It's a shitty market, and it deserves to be called one.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 02:09 AM
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It's going to be a turn off for most women, because they find it to be deception, and you're depriving them of their hypergamous need for better genes. Just get it done and don't mention it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 02:07 AM
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No. I imagine avoidant fathers are the most likely cause, which shows the man young what women actually prioritize.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 01:44 AM
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You're self-worth is a perception of your own worth. You can be worth 100 dollars, and think you're only worth 90. You can be worth 100 and think you are worth 1000. Those are people that need an adjustment. People who are low-value and believe that they're low value have an accurate assessment of their worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 01:44 AM
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90% of women wouldn't though if they knew better. Women only turn down this proposition down because they overplay their hand and think they can get a HVM who is exclusive to them, but most find out that isn't possible. The smart ones who know better end up securing one though. The rest of women end up resentful and single, or resentful of their inferior relationship. They act like they don't want the HVM when the HVM doesn't even invite them anymore. There's a reason all of the attractive women…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 01:43 AM
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Maybe or maybe not. Either way, that's not going to change the fact that the person no longer wants to do business with you. If somebody else wants to produce 100 pizzas for 1 dollar, then that's on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 01:41 AM
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That's also grounds for an instant break-up. The amount of of men that think that behavior is harmless, or even comical is disturbing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 01:41 AM
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And your explanation for that is what exactly? That some alternatives to women aren't popular, so that AI won't be? Some are, so AI very well can be mainstream; and it most likely will be as the technology continues to advance, and becomes more capable of fulfilling men's needs. You're just making baseless assumptions as per usual trying to defend women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 01:38 AM
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Yes, you're trying to argue that AI will be niche, because "women aren't replaceable", and yet they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 12:27 AM
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It bothers you when you're with that person.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 11:46 PM
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It's one of the biggest industries that exists. It does not matter if people are paying for it or not either, they're choosing to get off that way instead of women, which is the point - stop avoiding it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 11:44 PM
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I agree. The point isn't to make women care, but to make men care. When men set boundaries and uphold their own standards, then they start getting less than they deserve whether a woman agrees to them or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 09:39 PM
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Because men want to feel desired, and women who don't desire men use and abuse them. Men are manipulated into these relationships and typically regret it later on, and I don't want to see other men endure that, and I definitely won't be enduring that myself. I will never accept that sort of dynamic, and I hope other men can adopt the same boundaries. But don't guys do this too? I have some guy friends who used to go after much hotter women, who were probably a lot more sexually adventurous, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 09:38 PM
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Pretty much all women are going to be at least somewhat manipulative, but some women will not be able to acquire higher value male partners, which will naturally make them more manipulative. These women will then settle for these men (not necessarily the most loneliest of men as those will still be too low value), but more average men who still have some masculinity about them, but can also be manipulated to some degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 09:35 PM
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What are you trying to say is subjective? People aren't as complex or unique as they think they are, but mating in general is difficult. You're competing against other men with a lot of variables that are difficult to keep track of in real time, and a lot of people mistakenly confuse that with nuance. You can still understand the game and perform badly at it. This also a debate sub to discuss mating dynamics. It's not about figuring out what went wrong in your individual interaction with a woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 09:14 PM
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That's just lies point blank. Men don't use that term at all outside of the context of critique. That's a term coined and used in women's spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 09:01 PM
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I also think a lot of these men will be LIVID when women start buying sex robots with 8-inch penises and 6-pack abs. The male sex robots will also do chores and listen when the woman talks instead of smiling and nodding. Funnily enough, AI can mimic real human conversation better than some men can. Robots will never be as desirable for women just like they aren't now. Robots are fantastic at replacing women, because they are tailor-made to do everything a woman does - lie there and have sex, tel…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 08:55 PM
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Wishful thinking. OF and porn is not a niche. In some countries, these alternative lifestyles are the norm, and that's increasingly becoming the case in the west. AI will be the most advanced technology ever developed for this purpose, and will surely be the most popular. There's zero chance when more human-like synthetics are developed that it doesn't become the default for men. These robots will be superior to women in every way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 08:47 PM
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That's just men acting in their own self-interest same as women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 08:42 PM
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I mean, this is what a sociopath is. A person who lies and manipulates people with no regard for the feelings, ethics, or morality just to get what they want. So a woman? Men lying is just doing the same thing that women do. It's funny how men are discouraged to play the same game that women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 08:40 PM
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Only because it really bothers women. The entire reason men are insecure to begin with is because it bothers women the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 08:38 PM
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Women say that while conflating dick size with personality all of the time, so much as so that we literally have terms like "big dick energy".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 08:37 PM
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No. The only woman who think that are 40 years old post wall and desperate for a man who won't leave them, so she'll acquire resentment and boredom for security. A woman absolutely needs to love a man more or the relationship won't work. Any woman with any sort of leverage will not tolerate a man who isn't independent and puts her on her backfoot. Otherwise, she'll have control and peace, and women hate having both.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 08:29 PM
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Funny how women always say this while fantasizing about men like Jason Momoa instead of single beta Bob from across the street.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 08:22 PM
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High standards has nothing to do with relativity to one's own situation. It's comparable to the actual competition of the standard. I can be rich, and expect the finest cuisine - I have high standards. They're not lower standards just because I'm rich. They're higher, because the cuisine is better than everything else. Likewise, I can demand McDonalds, and have low standards just like a poor person who eats it and prefers it. McDonalds isn't high standards just because they're poor either. If a …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 08:17 PM
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It is not, because women do not do that. Women are not romantic. Romance is really a combination of multiple traits that puts the spectrum out of wack. That make it more of a neutral trait as I said. Someone who is at 0% or 100% will be the least romantic because they will have an aversion to giving and sensitivity, while someone at 50% will be the most romantic. Women prefer men who are at 75%, and women tend to be at 25%. This makes men still mostly masculine, because they're only a little bit…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 07:48 PM
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You can keep saying it, but you have nothing to prove your point. You live in delusion. There is not a study that exists that doesn't show women having a strong aversion to femininity, and a strong preference towards masculinity. A woman wanting a guy to be 25% nice, so he won't be violent with her is still a guy that is mostly masculine. What makes a relationship last longer is the man being able to provide and maintain frame. Women don't want a man who will form a deep bond. They want a man wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 07:38 PM
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No they don't. They like men having a little bit of these traits. This gives the woman variety, and the feelings that she is safe and cared for without really sacrificing the man's masculinity, so that if shit went down, and he had to stand up and be the bad guy, then he still would.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 06:31 PM
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Then women would partake in it more, and they don't. Enjoying romance is perhaps more feminine, but the act of doing it is still more masculine, or at least neutral. It's a spectrum. Someone who is 100% masculine isn't going to partake in romance, but someone who is 100% feminine isn't really going to do it either, because they're just going to be a passenger. Women tend to be about 25% where they're at least receptive, and women's ideal for men is 75% where they put in some effort, but aren't o…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 06:29 PM
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No they don't. They like masculine men with a few more neutral masculine traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 06:23 PM
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It's like the Olympics for women. Each country wants to prove they have the best female genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 07:05 AM
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Yes. Some might, but not all of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 07:02 AM
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They do both, which is why so many men don't meet women's requirements.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 07:01 AM
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Doesn't matter what women say, because it's all virtue signaling. It matters what they do, and women aren't turning down an attractive rich high-status guy to be alone or with some mediocre guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 07:01 AM
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No it's not. It's real effort and energy men have to put into women that they don't deserve.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 06:59 AM
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Speaking for myself, i’m okay with some performance but there is a limit - ex. flirtatious and more innuendo based stuff is okay (ex. an artist holding a girl’s hand, Immediate break-up. giving eye contact then kissing her hand (Cirice’ing as an example), Immediate break-up. or Yung Gravy feeding women in the crowd beef jerky, i wanna say? in a suggestive way) Immediate break-up. is totally okay with me (ngl probably encouraged cause it is a part of the show), but something outwardly sexual like…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 05:41 AM
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Every woman would if you give her a HVM.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 05:30 AM
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Men have no reason to trust women. "Trust" and "love" is just manipulation to try and force men into never questioning women's self-serving nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 05:28 AM
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what do women gain from being in a relationship with men if they’re seen as valueless after 25? Shouldn't you be asking that question to men? Women gain what they always gain. Someone to provide for them, protect them, etc. The only thing he won't probably do is try and do emotional labor for a leech on top of everything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 05:25 AM
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Because not only is it scientifically proven, but it's common sense to anyone who lives out in the real world. Anyone who believes otherwise is just being purposefully obtuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 05:20 AM
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Your "fact" is not a fact. Women generally do accept that they need to work and earn their own loving and contribute to about half of their household expense The vast majority of women are not contributing half of the household expenses.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 05:16 AM
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Jobs that require college degrees have also gotten much more competitive while trade-work hasn't. It just makes more sense for men to take the path where they can actually land a job and avoid debt. It might make them less competitive and less likely to acquire a woman, but at least they'll be able to survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 05:16 AM
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Women want men with both masculine and feminine traits No they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 05:03 AM
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It's not, at least for women. Women might be willing to trade a little bit of masculinity for safety, security, etc. but women like mostly masculine men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 05:02 AM
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No they don't. They also have high standards for income, social status, and overall masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 04:59 AM
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However, including “making as much as them” as a high standard is dumb No, it's not. It's a high standard, especially if they make a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 04:58 AM
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No they can't. Men are increasingly choosing to be single even more than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 04:56 AM
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They probably won't.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 04:55 AM
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Take your business elsewhere then. You can make unreasonable demands only up until a certain point until it's just not worth pleasing the customer. That's where we are at now.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 04:26 AM
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And your friends are also probably average at best. They aren't doing charity work.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 04:23 AM
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Time, energy, money, and stress spent trying to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 04:22 AM
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Desire can most certainly be negotiated. You just don't know how to negotiate.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:32 PM
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Women don't even want most men to look at them As a result, you said women want some men to look at them meaning that women (maybe not specifically you, but probably you), dress up for men for attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:30 PM
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What you think is average, and what is actually average are two different things. Women call above average guys average all the time, because studies have shown that's how they literally see men. There's simply no substance to their arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:21 PM
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I'm not the one virtue signaling about how I don't dress up for men, and then subsequently say I'm dressing up for some men in the very next sentence. I'm not the one who is confused here. I already understand women's true nature, and can openly admit that they are hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:14 PM
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It's not a poor quality product. The delusional customer thinks it's a poor quality product for the price, and then goes out on the open market and realizes that it isn't, and comes scurrying back. It's time for men to start charging a restocking fee.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:11 PM
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How in the hell do men believe that women craft their entire existence around attracting men? Women don't even want most men to look at them, much less ask them out. You literally just admitted you did. The constant Freudian slips by women that contradict their points on this sub are hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:06 PM
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No, because they aren't solely the issue. The unreasonable expectations of the buyer are the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:03 PM
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Depends. For many people the increased odds would be negligible, and the reality is there is a cost to this. It doesn't come free, so when the cost is worth more than the rewards/potential for a reward, then it no longer makes sense to exert effort. That is increasingly becoming the case for a lot of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:00 PM
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I can’t turn myself into something I’m not, if he doesn’t like me for the way I am that’s his right, but that doesn’t mean it’s my fault either It does mean it's your fault. Women absolutely are marketers. They present themselves, and then men try to sell them something. Just because you're marketing yourself doesn't mean you'll get the customers that you want though, but that's on you to adjust your presentation to ensure you are reaching your target demographic. If you physically can't, then t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 05:35 PM
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It's both. Men do become more indifferent and pessimistic about women, and this leads them to be more confident with them, and confident in general. They also naturally make more, and many men that weren't high in testosterone in their youth start to look more rugged and masculine. On the flipside, women do clearly become more desperate to settle down, and to stop monkey branching and taking big risks to try and land an alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 05:29 PM
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Yeah, that's why she carved his name in her brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 05:21 PM
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Of course she did. He was indifferent to her and used her for sex. Women love that shit. Ironically, if he was sweet, gentle, caring, and actually looking for a relationship with her, then she wouldn't have wanted a relationship. This is why people tell men to stop seeking a relationship. It's not really as much to focus on other things that can benefit you as it is the fact that you need to play the game. Women don't respect men who signal that they want a relationship, so you have no choice bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 05:14 PM
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The point of feminism was to get access to alpha males. There has always been feminine men. The "men are soft" rhetoric gets passed around each generation by old heads that don't like change. Perhaps this generation it might be more true, but that is likely more of a product of an increase in white-collar work and generally easier life rather than feminism. What has changed though is that women are more masculine than ever, and so are the top echelon of men, which gives the appearance that men t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 10:00 AM
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Yes. Women are toxic, and you must match their energy. I was in denial in the past as well, and I didn't even want to just have sex; but there is only one path forward, and you must take it. Learn to embrace chaos. Learn to embrace toxicity. Learn to embrace indifference. This doesn't mean become a criminal. It's about not being nice (unless the situation benefits you of course). It's about putting yourself first and prioritizing self-preservation. There's no room for being sensitive or emotiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:52 AM
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The biggest fuckboys are the ones who pay for dates, or don't even go on a date at all. It's pretty obvious what they're looking for. Women don't care. They're just in it for free stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 08:57 AM
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No there isn't. Women will think a 6 with make up on is too ugly for a 7, because she only finds the top 5% of men attractive, and thinks everyone else is mediocre or ugly. Body also plays a much larger role in physical appearance for men compared to women, which is often ignored. If a man is genuinely uglier than the woman, then the only reason that is occurring is because of money or status AKA other superficial qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 08:09 AM
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Bonding or dominance.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:28 AM
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I love how women always manage to turn their shallow and exploitive nature into a morale questioning of men as if they need to make amends to match women's virtue. It's very easy to turn the same words back around, and say that women who don't pay are lazy and opportunistic, and the difference would be that it's actually true.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 05:27 AM
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Only men are capable of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 05:08 AM
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Loyalty has nothing to do with being a HVM. Having social, sexual, and economic capital makes you a HVM.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 05:05 AM
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Most modern women don't want polygamy. Many women don't know that they are sharing the same man. That is why the "Are We Dating The Same Guy?" Facebook pages blew up. Polygyny is basically the norm for women until they hit 30ish and look to settle down, which is why the "are we dating the same guy" page exists to begin with. Women aren't that dense, and willfully ignore red flags to be with these guys. It's only when they are social pressured that this changes. If polygamy was legal, it's hard t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:24 AM
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There's a difference between a man that's desirable and a man that gets around. We want a man who's attractive to other women but has self-control and chooses to be loyal to us. Good luck with that. Most HVM aren't loyal, and shouldn't be.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:20 AM
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Some men do do that. There's no shortage of HVM that used to not be, and then glowed up only to play women or ignore them as a form of revenge.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 01:03 AM
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Of course, when women don't put unreasonable expectations on you, then you don't have a reason to lie to them anymore. Must be nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 12:52 AM
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No, I think most women are very selective, and if you aren't a HVM, then you must showcase that you have long-term mate value to sleep with them, which people confuse for being demisexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 12:30 AM
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I agree, and no is entitled to the truth from a man. Works both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 12:24 AM
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Hypergamy is also immoral, but alas here we are. Women do what's best for them, and so do men (or at least they should). That's the way nature works.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:34 PM
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🧚🏻‍♀️✨️ Good day to you, kind sir. Might I say, you speak as if that's all of your fellow women, but I am one woman a part of the demographic you are judging, and I 🙋🏾‍♀️ for one don't appreciate a man who lacks confidence to the point where he is a push over getting walked all over. That is a nice guy simp. That is not an ideal partner, for ladies who desire and love 😍🥰 confident gentlemen. I didn't say anything about a man who lacks confidence. I talked about a man who projects confidence, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:33 PM
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Hope people don't draw the wrong conclusions there. I definitely don't think most men's problem is that they're too nice, or too thoughtful, or too emotionally intelligent and caring and giving, which is what redpillers seem to think ('safer to err on the side of being an asshole than to be too nice' and all that). If anything, it's the opposite. Lmao, no they absolutely are. The only difference between 50 years ago and now is that people who used to give flowers and stuff like that used to get …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:16 PM
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Only men, that's how it always goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:12 PM
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Are you even capable of having a conversation in which you don’t make negative comments about women as a collective? I don't make negative comments about women, I make comments that you perceive to be negative. I don’t have a problem with men caring about appearance as long as your preferences aren’t delusional. What I mean by that is having obvious proclivities to women who have had cosmetic enhancements, or having an unhealthy weight. Men are allowed to have any preferences they want regardles…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:04 PM
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I keep him in my friend list for reasons of entertainment (me and my other ladies can laugh at what he spews out). It's funny how much self-awareness women lack. This woman contradicts herself and proves her friends right.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 10:22 PM
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She would've left him too if he survived, and was like disabled or something. Men don't owe women anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 09:30 PM
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attractive women don't have to! That's not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 08:22 PM
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They most certainly want simps. A man that provides as much for women as they do, and only gets sex from one woman in return is a simp. However, women want a man who is capable of not appearing like a simp. What I mean by that is that women want a man who does what she wants, but acts as if he's in control and he's making the decisions. This is obviously going to be pretty contradictive more often than not, so women end up settling with actual simps that they resent, because they lead less (if a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 08:02 PM
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Online is also expected to make up the majority of relationships in the future (probably because there will be less of them). They don't like what that does to their narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 07:10 PM
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Yes, but it's a skewed distribution. Women like HVM more than the average man likes women, but they dislike everyone else more, so that it evens out. It's just power laws. If women like HVM more, then naturally they have to like other men less.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 07:07 PM
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Some people are. Some people want women to lower their standards, and to be desired by them; and then some people just don't understand what's going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:52 PM
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Lebron James was raised by a single mother, and he is a gem of a man. Caring, loving, funny and positive husband. Doesn't he cheat on his wife all of the time? lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:44 PM
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They're still complaining about it, which is his point. If I want to go sell my car, and then go play the odds with the money and gamble it in the casino to try and get a better car, then fine - that's my right. However, I have no right to complain when I lose all of my money. That's what men have a problem with, especially when they're blamed for a relationship they weren't even apart of.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 08:43 AM
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Nope
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 08:34 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/ask/comments/18g5dyg/women_what_are_the_masculine_thingstraits_you/
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 08:31 AM
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You seem very upset at the fact that women are the ones who uphold gender roles, and there's a lot more than just this one example that exists that proves that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 08:28 AM
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And this kind of machine is expected to protect, provide and be useful to women. The crazy part is if most men can't find a woman to use them they actually feel sad and depressed. It's the closest they will ever get to feeling love, so they accept the shitty deal, and tell themselves it's real.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 08:19 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/ask/comments/18f4jzr/comment/kcuu9cp/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 The diversity in men showing how they don't hold women to strict gender roles. Meanwhile, women's thread just has a bunch of standard hypergamous answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 08:12 AM
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No chance that guy paid for a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:27 AM
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Has nothing to do with missing out, and everything to do with getting a woman that isn't tainted.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:26 AM
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Not all. I've met some that genuinely have had too much motherly influence, but most of them definitely lean towards being misogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 04:51 AM
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Yep. Women say that as they literally select for men that can coerce them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 04:45 AM
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I decided to look into this guy and found a bunch of old Facebook posts She should she be fired for stalking and harassment. These women are so toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 04:38 AM
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Women will offset masculinity if it can be made up in other areas to a small extent. The more things you take away, then they less willing they will forgive you. Hypergamy is undefeated.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 04:36 AM
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Ironically, he's a Chad with a face mask on. He just has a bad lower and mid face-structure.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 04:28 AM
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I was referring to the part about the TRP, not Tate.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 04:19 AM
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I disagree, I think it's a symptom of inflated confidence. The anxiety about their partner stems from a woman's natural hypergamous wiring, because the more confidence that she gains, then the less suitors she will naturally have. This is why alpha women struggle, because their brain wants a beta male, but their vagina wants an alpha male; whereas with alpha males, their brain wants a beta and their penis is fine with either.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:29 AM
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They literally are facts, you can google them. I'm not making leaps at all either. You were whining about men not caring about women working jobs, and I told you specifically why they don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:23 AM
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Nope, they're much more different than people like to admit. We've pushed an artificial narrative to act like we're the exact same, "but patriarchy"! when that is clearly not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:21 AM
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The reality is that women these days are contributing to an environment where their sons will most likely fail. How they would like him to be raised, and how he will actually be raised will be very different as a result. Like it or not, he will most likely be prey to the hypergamous society that women created even more than the men of today are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:18 AM
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It's interesting to me how women would prefer to defend the manipulative nature of their own sexual strategy rather than have their son be successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:10 AM
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They're not. In fact, they're celebrated for doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 01:56 AM
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Post one then. Women generally do not prefer hyper masculinity like gay guys do. No, they do prefer hyper-masculinity, but they realize there are trade-offs with it, and it's difficult to acquire long-term parental investment with them. However, they are more attracted to them, which is evident in preferring them as short-term mates. They are also more attractive even as long-term mates than the majority of men. Women only prefer a slight trade-off of masculinity for LTRs. Think Harry Styles in …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 01:49 AM
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The feminists are the one demanding it. lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 01:37 AM
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>! Recently, or maybe not so recently, the terms “alpha” and “beta” to describe men and women have hit the mainstream (for more on this idea, read The Alpha Woman Meets Her Match), and I have had increasing numbers of clients who use these words to talk about themselves and their relationship. An alpha is commonly thought of as someone ambitious and assertive, with a take no prisoners attitude. They are the leader of their pack and others defer to them. The term connotes the typical “power playe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 01:28 AM
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I don't care about your personal anecdote, I care about facts. The vast majority of women are uncomfortable providing for their partner, and expect the man to financially provide for them. The vast majority of women also don't provide, and among the small minority of women that do - 75% of those relationships fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 01:22 AM
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I never said they don't, I said they're not going to do the specific situation that you mentioned, because it's nonsensical. Women degrade their partners all of the time though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 01:18 AM
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https://medium.com/@DrPsychMom/when-women-want-more-alpha-husbands-34bc35447b77 This is an insightful piece from a psychologist who says that her clients are increasingly seeking alpha males. I've noticed this trend getting more popular, particularly (and ironically) from feminists, but it's interesting to see that it's not just social media algorithms, but an actual real world phenomenon taking over. It looks like we're beginning to enter the final stages of hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 01:14 AM
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In 10 years, these dudes will fall off the face of the planet. Hmm....I wonder why. Women like a balanced mix of masculinity and femininity in men. Gay guys love hyper masculinity. No they don't. Every study shows women have a strong aversion to femininity They don't like passiveness, shyness, sensitivity, softer faces, thinner bodies, smaller penises, shorter frames, or higher-pitched voices, They also show aversion to men doing overly feminine things such as wearing make up, making less and wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 01:14 AM
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Women do not spend the same amount even when they make the same amount, so they actually are doing that. Women's finances don't help men. We don't need them. We're fine our own, and we don't have a biological obsessions with being provided for, nor an aversion to not being provided for like women have. You're money is closer to being a hinderance than it helps, because it just puts men in competition with their own partner due to the nature of women. Instead of being happy and supportive that a …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 01:11 AM
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Maybe in Amsterdam, but that's not the default in America. The vast majority of people aren't splitting costs, and we have card data to prove it. You're right though, nobody is forcing men, but they are manipulating them, and they're trying to manipulate men into caring about a "woman's career". Why? Because there is nothing more that women would want then to do less for their partner under the guise of "providing for them" while not actually doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 01:10 AM
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That is false, men have always told me that confidence was sexy. Also you can’t speak for most men you can only speak for yourself. Lmao, are any of you capable of not contradicting yourself? Your personal anecdotes don't matter either, and the only reason I even provided mine is because you literally asked for it. I base my point on actual research, which is what matters; but if we're limited to just personal anecdotes, I can guarantee I've interacted with and know a lot more about men than you…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 01:09 AM
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Tell her she needs to pack her things, and leave permanently.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 12:58 AM
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It's very simple - women believe they are allowed to give attention to other men, and men are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 12:55 AM
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The man can; it's called leaving.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 12:53 AM
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This is the problem with society, and why I say what I do. Too many men like you are getting played. You're nice guys that have a lot of to offer women, but they manipulate you into believing the feeling is mutual, so that they can get that comfort, safety, and security as they age for a better price. Some women stick with it, many don't, and some try to do both and cheat. Either way, it's a lie, and it needs to be exposed. Men need to have boundaries, and the most important one is to avoid mixi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 12:50 AM
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Absolutely not. I'd probably initially laugh, and then tell her "yeah, this isn't going to work out" very snidely.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 12:41 AM
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I disagree. Connections and comfort are overrated, and clearly not what women will look for. The three most important things (and what accounts for 99% of your appeal) to women is sexual, social, and economic capital. With these three things, you'll be able to spark her interest, then spark her sex drive, and then be seen as someone who can provide for her in the long-term.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 11:06 PM
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Men are not similar at all. They operate very different in traditional countries as do women as a result, because concepts of romanticism (female manipulation where men give more in return for the woman pretending to love him) don't exist outside of western influence. They see relationships as transactions to reproduce the next generation of society where the man does his part, and the woman does hers.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 10:48 PM
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Women never actually cut guys off. They just trim the hedges a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 10:26 PM
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That's because gyms have turned into a place for women to attract alpha males with skintight clothing that accentuates their features rather than being able to relax at a female-only gym with some sweats just trying to stay healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 10:21 PM
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Why would blue pill guys know about this? They're the ones letting it happen to themselves, and willfully ignoring it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 10:10 PM
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I'm talking about abuse. As I said, men should not be settling for bad relationships, because no, they're not getting what they put in. It's time for men to walk away from women until they get a better deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 10:08 PM
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people need to accept that instead of tolerating peer pressure and shame from other men. No, what they shouldn't be tolerating is peer pressure and shame from women. It does not matter if you're low value or not, abuse is never ok, and that's what these men endure by accepting these relationships. These men need to set healthy boundaries, and maintain them. Men don't have to be in a relationship, especially an emotionally-invested one. It's time to liberate them the say way women have been liber…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 08:41 PM
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A woman would just leave him and get a taller guy if that's what she wanted. That scenario would never happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 07:55 PM
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They are not interested in the social aspect of relationships, only the transactional aspects. Anyone who thinks on this level can’t be characterized as a noble person. They aren’t the type of person who makes the world better. They wouldn’t do something good for someone else just for the pleasure of spreading joy. They don’t have joy- just a whole host of negative emotions which go hand in hand with self-absorption. Explains a lot about certain commenters on this sub. That's all relationships a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 12:29 PM
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My comment was to counter-point that there should be a clarification of the point that the blue pills are more successful only among low-value men, and even then I'd say the success is subjective. The most successful men period AKA HVM are mostly going to be red-pilled, or at least purple-pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 11:47 AM
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I feel like a decent girlfriend would help with all of those if she had a career and I didn't make way more. You felt wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 11:16 AM
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I don’t know why we are acting like confidence isn’t attractive to men as well. Because it's not. Question, would you rather have to pursue a woman who is shy and isn’t going to give you positive feedback that she is interested because of insecurity? Or someone who will reciprocate your advances with excitement who will also likely be easier to communicate with? Like most men, I couldn't genuinely care less which one she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 11:10 AM
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Oh boy. Pardon my saying this but this isn’t our first encounter on here, and I regularly notice your username because half the time I read a comment on here that is just next level salty, I then see it’s from you. I recall something about you calling me a nasty person because I worked in the medical field (???) So just to preface, not likely we are going to find common ground. I don't even know who you are. There are a lot of logical leaps in your response. We agree that women like confidence. …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 10:49 AM
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If that was true, then they'd work on men. It would not be possible if women didn't want it. These strategies are just giving women what they desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 09:03 AM
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The only way I could be attracted to someone who without “confidence” was if it was more of just a shyness around me specifically and was offset by him being aspirational to me/successful in the rest of his life Hypergamy in action. Women would rather a guy be confident with other men and shy with her, then confident with her and shy with other men (which seems contradictive to how we define relationships). A man who can dominate other men in intrasexual competition is most important to her, bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 08:46 AM
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That's how it is, and why men absolutely must reject these relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 08:18 AM
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Forget fuck, they can't even touch your degree/career. You know why women care about a man's career, and men don't? Because they actually benefit from it. What does a man benefit from a woman's career? Are they going to pay for his meals on dates? Are they going spoil him with gifts? Are they going to take care of him financially if he doesn't make more than them? Are they going to buy him a house? Are they going pay for him to stay at home? Are they even going to take care of him if he is unabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 08:16 AM
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No they don't. Confidence is not cheap, because women like to submit, and they like to submit, because they know a dominant man is valuable in our society. If you're a competent but unconfident man, then chances are you're passive; and if you're passive, then you defer to others. That means you're going to make someone else rich instead of yourself. Intelligence started mattering a lot less after the Neolithic revolution, because with the invention of surpluses and now the internet - social domi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 08:11 AM
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They're all dating the same guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 07:57 AM
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Celebrities definitely have more bodies regardless of sex, although the disparity will obviously be wider for men. These women are huge narcissists though who need constant male validation, and they almost certainly fucked their way to the top anyways, because they're so desperate for fame and attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 07:10 AM
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Nah, I'll just stick to the good states.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 07:03 AM
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As always, men are expected to shoulder the burden. It's perfectly fine for women to constantly destroy men's self-esteem with their preferences, but god forbid a man not be attracted to a woman, and he becomes the devil. The hypocrisy from them is laughable. It's not a man's job to like a woman's flaws just like it's not a woman's job to like a man's flaw.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 06:53 AM
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That should be illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 06:47 AM
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Please stick to the argument instead of avoiding it. You made a point that what women bring to the table is dismissed, and I pointed to you how the same thing is done when men bring things to the table that women don't want or care about. Men don't and shouldn't have to care about things just because you want them to. You don't get to pick what you have to offer - the man does just like men don't get to pick what they offer women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 06:32 AM
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Why would they not dismiss it? If I say "I have a short skinny pale body with no self-esteem, no assertiveness, no money, and no status, but gee, I'm a nice guy"! would women not dismiss me? Men don't like what women pretend to offer. It's not beneficial to us just like those things that I listed above aren't beneficial to women. Women demand what they want, and men demand what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 05:40 AM
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I can see where you’re going with this- guys who are naturally successful are more likely to be blue pilled Among low-value men*
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 05:37 AM
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Plenty do though and have. Of course these guys are going to have the most pull with young women who are the loudest. You're not proving anything. In 10 years these guys will be more masculine, because they'll be actually fully grown adults, and the same women will desire more masculinity as well. Women love masculinity. Every study proves it. If you're an average guy, there is a reason you need to masculinity-max.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 05:30 AM
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I no longer date, but in the past it was to deeply bond with someone. Since taking TRP, I'm on hiatus while trying to figure out what will work for me under the bounds of what is realistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 04:22 AM
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I'm really not sure the point of this post. Telling women to stop caring about confidence is like telling them to stop caring about breathing. I agree that it's up there with being ugly, short, and skinny in terms of being the worst trait a man can have, but you're not even going to make a dent in women's preferences by telling them that it shouldn't matter. Women don't really care about any of that stuff. They'll throw themselves back into the dark ages for a loaf of bread if they're hungry eno…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 03:58 AM
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That's not true. Not every man only wants to hook-up, especially ones who aren't already doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 03:51 AM
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This is absolutely crazy that you're sitting here talking about pop stars not having status, and being liked because they don't have status, so that you can virtue signal. lmao And no, I don't know any hypermasculine bros that need to dress up, put on make up, and dance to corny songs to pull women, because they don't need to. Alpha males get their pick of women. Then the rest of the HVM pick, then the above average guys, and finally the average guys are settled for, and the rest of men are left…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 03:46 AM
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Why did she bring it up in the first place? I already said why, to reassess. She feels a certain type of way and needs validation. Who knows why she would feel that way. Maybe she lost weight and is more attractive now. Maybe the guy gained weight so she resents his small dick even more now. People are constantly changing and evolving. You think Adele would've left her husband if she didn't get famous and glow up? Probably not, but when women's value goes up (or men's value goes down), then wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 02:00 AM
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Her friends reaffirmed she deserves better. Her perceived value is now higher. If her friends shamed her instead, then her test would have failed, and her perceived value would be lower, so she'd reenter the man's frame.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 01:13 AM
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That's your opinion. I didn't remark on the morality of it. I simply stated the truth of the situation. Women are hypergamous, and men are in intrasexual competition, which is becoming more competitive by the day. If you don't win the competition, then obviously somebody else will. It makes no sense to not compete unless you either can't compete, or don't like the rules of the game. These aren't my opinions, these are facts. TRP isn't a solution for society; it's a solution for individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 01:03 AM
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Maybe, but horniness typically implies a lack of composure, and to dismiss men as just wanting to get off rather than also wanting to get someone else off and form a connection with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 12:33 AM
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Maybe not their genitals specifically, but it's quite common for women to trash talk their partners lack of masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 12:26 AM
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Depends on her tastes in bed I guess. As if they're unique. Although I'd personally say the second man is likely to suck in bed and wind up hurting her even if she does share his kink Except he doesn't suck. He's attractive, dominant, masculine, exciting etc. all of the things she wants. If she does feel sore, she'll still probably like it, rest up, and do it all over again. Meanwhile gentle Jim is laying in missionary looking like he's about to cry from overwhelming emotion while she's just lay…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 12:26 AM
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Men wanting sex from their partner is also seen as some entitled degenerate demand to get off while for women it's seen as her deserving to feel desired and taken care of.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 12:22 AM
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Yes it's wrong because men will tell they are useless and worthless because of age. Something they can't control. Men are unnecessarily cruel to women they find unattractive. Guess what? Men are told the same things in different ways. That's life.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 12:19 AM
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They are hypergamous, but women are constantly reassessing their own value, and what they can attain. Just because a guy is better than you doesn't mean he is the best that you can get. When a woman realizes this, she starts to test boundaries for confirmation, and to build confidence to leave the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 12:18 AM
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That's a primitive male projection. It's how pretty they are and seeing them dance and interact with each other. Their "status" is a result of that attraction, not the cause of it. Lmao, none of these women would give a shit about them if they didn't have status. These are still HVM. These are men for the women that can't get Chad. This does not prove at all that women don't enforce strict gender roles on men. It actually proves my point further that the only way you'll be able to make up for no…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 12:13 AM
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That's why you dip after you have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 12:01 AM
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You realize most of those people aren't adults rights? And the ones that are are 1s and 2s with mental issues? Of course they like tall, attractive, charismatic, successful, high status, rich men whose only drawback is that they're a little skinny, and dress up with makeup to perform on stage. Having one feminine trait about you in a sea of masculine traits can be overlooked, and does not disprove what I said. It is indisputable that women have very strong preferences for masculine traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 11:52 PM
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Men are not the problem. Men do not set the rules of the competition. It's like starting a automated business that puts other people out of work - if you don't do it, then somebody else will, so it might as well be you. If you choose to not to compete, then women will just get with the next best man who does.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 11:41 PM
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Blue pill has to be in denial about the TRP, because their entire worldview crumbles when they learn that a few mentally-ill women aren't the only women taking TRP, and that mentally-ill women are actually more likely to act against TRP (because they're mentally ill and non-conforming).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 11:35 PM
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Yeah, because that's the truth. lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 09:56 PM
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Depends on the man. Higher T men will peak earlier, but for most men it will be later in their 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 09:54 PM
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Happens to guys too but women care less about looks than men do Lmao, no they don't. Women are just more selective, so most guys aren't going to notice as much of a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 09:40 PM
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You can get high quality pics, and not dress professional. Whether you're looking professional or casual though, the point is to make yourself look very masculine. You can look professional and put together, and still look like a bad boy, or rather "a bad man". Instead of looking like you get into fights at night clubs and deal coke, look like a man that abuses his employees, siphons money from his company to off-shore accounts, and has a custom-made sex dungeon in his penthouse. Either way, you…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 09:33 PM
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"Toxic masculinity" coming from the same people that reject them for lacking masculinity AKA the real reason they're single.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 09:25 PM
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Too late, they're already listening.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 09:21 PM
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I agree. If makeup wasn't beneficial part of a woman's sexual strategy, then women would not use it. It has effectively elevated their game, and allowed women to attract more men out of their league. There is a lot more ugly women (without makeup) with attractive men than attractive women with ugly men, and the latter wouldn't even exist if they didn't have status and money. Ugly women don't even bring that to the table. The inverse could never exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 09:18 PM
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Because TRP doesn't just give you advice, it also explains why you need to follow that advice. It just doesn't say "workout just cause"; it tells you that you that women are hypergamous, and that you are in competition with other men. Thus, you must work out. That's what women don't like, because it paints them in a very bad light, and it exposes their sexual strategy and manipulation tactics.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 09:13 PM
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The wonderful thing about being a person is that anyone can go and do their own research and experience it for themselves. These people have no need to lie and fake this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 09:05 PM
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