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My apologies. I misquoted before. From this source, 1/6 women and 1/71 will be raped via penetration. The number for rape by forcible participation within an intimate relationship for women is 1/10 and for men is 1/33. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4638240/ https://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/publications_nsvrc_factsheet_media-packet_statistics-about-sexual-violence_0.pdf Here is an article of the methodology used and it’s efficacy, it questions the validity of the self repo…
/r/MensRights16/11/20 10:03 PM
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Good on you! Men’s health is so important.
/r/MensRights15/11/20 11:31 PM
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I see your point. And someone can be prosecuted for inciting someone to commit suicide. They have to actively encourage the suicide and this is considered manslaughter. This is still included in the suicide statistic however because they had agency over their own body when they committed the act. As tragic as it is, refusing to let someone see their kids or divorcing them and taking a large portion of their money is not akin to murder. Divorcing your husband and taking custody of the kids is not…
/r/MensRights15/11/20 11:00 PM
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It’s unfair to say the murders are in the suicide stats. Suicide is a big problem, but it does not count as being murdered by your partner.
/r/MensRights15/11/20 10:01 PM
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Big /s from me. They’re the delusional one.
/r/MensRights15/11/20 09:59 PM
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No that makes sense. I think that’s a great idea!
/r/MensRights15/11/20 09:52 PM
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I got the one in 6 here. https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence But this source says it’s 1/10. I think this more reliable because it also counts male rape in a more equivalent manner, that is, including all instances where a man is forced to have sex as rape (not just where he is penetrated against his will). The rate of male rape is reported to be 1/45 which is certainly not negligible. https://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/publications_nsvrc_factsheet_media-packet_statis…
/r/MensRights15/11/20 07:04 AM
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You asked for an area where women have it harder than men, so I offered one. It may sound like nitpicking to you, but if you tease the homicide data you’d see the way women are killed varies greatly from how men are killed. Men are killed by acquaintances and strangers often as a result of involvement in gangs or as the victim of random crime. Whereas 81% of women are killed by an intimate partner. Put another way, it’s shit for women to know that they’re more likely to be killed by people they …
/r/MensRights15/11/20 05:37 AM
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Wow yes! I agree with all of this. We should definitely increase support for men starting from school so that they best know how to deal with these compromising situations if they arrive. If we place more value and horror on the murder of male victims, people will no longer be able to turn a blind eye to homicide in general. Empathy is a big thing. It’s so easy to quickly blame someone for turning to a life of crime, but that’s only going to perpetuate the problem. Looking to other countries for…
/r/MensRights15/11/20 03:27 AM
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What do you think people should do to avoid divorce? Or to avoid normalising divorce?
/r/MensRights15/11/20 12:56 AM
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So you think less people should get divorced as currently?
/r/MensRights15/11/20 12:45 AM
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So partners should be able to choose to forfeit their responsibility to their children, both custodial and financial, even if their partner doesn’t want them to?
/r/MensRights15/11/20 12:28 AM
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Ah okay gotcha 👌
/r/MensRights15/11/20 12:21 AM
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Why is misogyny in quotations? Do you think it doesn’t exist?
/r/MensRights15/11/20 12:03 AM
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What if she didn’t want to the divorce. What if YOU wanted the divorce. And you don’t want custody because you want a new life with your new girlfriend. Then would you pay child support?
/r/MensRights15/11/20 12:00 AM
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I’ve seen a bit of misogyny on here tbh. Obviously not the belief of the majority but it does exist.
/r/MensRights14/11/20 11:59 PM
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You’re right people do sometimes say that. Thats wrong. What I’m asking is, do you have an idea on what we can do to reduce homicide among men? Because at the moment this is something that overwhelmingly disadvantages men. I want to know if people have an idea for dealing with this. Mental health support? Cultural shift? Crime reform?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 11:58 PM
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BY THEIR ROMANTIC PARTNERS* Yeah you’re right more men ARE the victim of murder. And that’s awful. I don’t mean to diminish the pain of these men, but you misread my comment. Women are much more likely to be sexually assaulted or killed (81%) by their spouse than men are to be killed by theirs (19%). https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvs03.pdf
/r/MensRights14/11/20 11:52 PM
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Oh yeah, the one that said corona isn’t killing men fast enough. https://m.themorningbulletin.com.au/news/feminist-writer-blasted-for-anti-men-tweet/4022713/
/r/MensRights14/11/20 11:48 PM
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Agreed. All in all, I’d rather have my surrounding clitoris skin cut off, thereby impacting the sensitivity of my clit, than have my clit cut off entirely. But that doesn’t mean they’re not both awful and should be stopped. And that more needs to be done to stop MGM, where it is still prevalent even in the western world.
/r/MensRights14/11/20 11:40 PM
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Yeaaah but if you think about it. Those women were just dating you for money and security before. Like wouldn’t you rather know that even if you get less dates, they’re with women who really like you for you? Not cause they need your money?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 11:38 PM
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Do you think that we have a problem with women sharing dick pics online?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 11:36 PM
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I find that as a woman I have been taught all of those things in the former. At school. At uni. In the media. Lots of talks on how to avoid getting in bad situation, how to enforce my boundaries. It has left me vigilant of being raped because the logic would follow that if they have to teach me this stuff means it’s likely or somewhat likely to happen. Statistically it is likely. 1/6 women in the US are raped in their lifetime. Those are not good odds. No need to go to great lengths spread fear,…
/r/MensRights14/11/20 11:21 PM
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Mm that’s interesting. What opportunities to relieve frustration are available for women that aren’t available for men? Is anyone working on making these available? Also I got a question on gynocentrism. The BJS says that 81% of female murder victims are killed by a spouse. How does gynocentrism lead to a woman’s spouse being her most likely attacker? Is he driven into a rage because she forced him to defer to her interest? Is it because there was no man for him to proxy the anger towards instea…
/r/MensRights14/11/20 11:14 PM
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So if you have a wife and a 5 year old kid and you decide you want to be with your new girlfriend and divorce your wife, but you don’t want to be responsible for the kid, you think it should be your choice whether you pay to support the kid?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 10:53 PM
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Would you rather not pay child support? Do you not agree with the concept of toxic masculinity?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 04:18 PM
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Lol can relate, that’s why I used quote marks...
/r/MensRights14/11/20 04:15 PM
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Mmm sounds attractive to me
/r/MensRights14/11/20 04:13 PM
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True. It’s not ‘masculinity is toxic’. It’s ‘toxic masculinity’ as a variant of masculinity. I think you could very well also say there is a brand of ‘toxic femininity’ - say, women being too passive, obsequious or pandering. The feminism movement also tries to change women’s ingrained gender stereotypes and damaging behaviours too, but doesn’t blame the women for them. Ie. women have the right to choose to be passive but are encouraged to be strong.
/r/MensRights14/11/20 04:12 PM
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I’m so sorry that happened to you and that you had the strength to leave your abusers. Good on you for finding your independence!
/r/MensRights14/11/20 04:07 PM
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Paying for what?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 04:06 PM
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Because it’s about who is representing you. It’s not about ‘your chance to be elite’ as much as it is that elite being empowered to make rules whilst also having a similar life outlook as you. If all/almost all presidents, prime ministers, party leaders CEOs were women, wouldn’t you feel underrepresented? How would women alone truly know and represent the male experience?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 04:06 PM
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I was just thinking like... You said women being told they should be afraid of being raped isn’t healthy for society. So I’m just wondering whether if we no longer told women to be scared of being raped, we would also make it less likely that they would be raped.
/r/MensRights14/11/20 04:00 PM
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I’m going to use it to raise awareness for male suicide. And getting rid of language that hurts men’s egos - mansplaining, ‘man up’, ‘like a man’.
/r/MensRights14/11/20 03:57 PM
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So do you think it’s a problem that men commit more crime. Should we take steps to change it?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 03:55 PM
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Obviously all the murderers are all hit men for their evil wives... duh! Also, yes, hitmen are generally sentenced harsher than their clients, it’s not female specific.
/r/MensRights14/11/20 03:54 PM
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Do you think feminists making abortions more available is bad news for men?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 03:48 PM
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Feminists HATE ‘act like a man’ too. Mostly because it perpetuates the idea that there is one way to be a man.
/r/MensRights14/11/20 03:47 PM
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How would you prevent women from being raped?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 03:45 PM
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The best thing to do is show the women in your life that you mean them no harm. Be friends with good men, denounce bad acts of all kinds, and serve as a good example to show these women that bad men are in the minority.
/r/MensRights14/11/20 03:44 PM
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Are you a feminist?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 03:42 PM
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I agree the concept alludes to men as oppressors. Not necessarily only of women though, because the male ruler rules over men and women. There is nothing in the definition of patriarchy that implies these male rulers favour men. Although this is generally the story told in feminism. Would you agree?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 03:42 PM
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NO woman would agree? What about the two women who contributed to the research paper?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 03:26 PM
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Report if they’d been raped. It simply didn’t exist and still doesn’t in many countries.
/r/MensRights14/11/20 03:24 PM
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Could aristocratic women vote?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 03:23 PM
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Like?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 03:22 PM
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‘Be a man’ should only be said when your child comes out as Trans man and you want to support them.
/r/MensRights14/11/20 03:21 PM
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So in your opinion what should be done about homicides? Does ‘toxic masculinity’ apply here?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 03:19 PM
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I didn’t know sexual preference was transphobic. How do they claim that?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 03:18 PM
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Females refers to people with a vagina. Woman means people who identify as woman, uses she/her and presents femininity.
/r/MensRights14/11/20 03:17 PM
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Do you think that all or most women are not good moral people who treat men as subhuman? Do you think all or most women SHOULD stay at home and allow their partner to be the working spouse?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 03:16 PM
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I have some questions: You say you don’t condone wife beating. Without feminism, how would we support women who are being beaten by their partners? Do you think the fact that some women lie about their abuse is great enough that we should remove support for people who are actually being abused? Why would a feminist not be able to love a man?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 03:09 PM
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I’m sorry about that. Did you leave them straight after that?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 03:09 PM
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Women will probably start dating down once they are financially independent and more likely to be breadwinners. This is why paternity rights will need to become a focus.
/r/MensRights14/11/20 03:07 PM
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But don’t we already know this from Red Pill theory?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 03:06 PM
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These women have usually been abused by men and convert their trauma to hatred of the general male population. This is no excuse however. Luckily they are a tiny minority of women, and even feminists.
/r/MensRights14/11/20 03:05 PM
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Ew who is that? She’s obviously deranged.
/r/MensRights14/11/20 03:01 PM
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Do you think male genital mutilation and female genital mutilation are just as cruel as one another?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 02:57 PM
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What’s happening there?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 02:55 PM
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Patriarchy itself just means rule of the father. It just means that it’s a man-led world. The oppression part follows on from that, people who feel like they don’t like being ruled by men therefore feel oppressed. It doesn’t mean anyone who believes in the concept of patriarchy hates men.
/r/MensRights14/11/20 02:55 PM
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All women you mean? Or attractive women?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 02:51 PM
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Good for nothing? Can you please elaborate? Are you sure they’re good for nothing else?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 02:51 PM
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Attractive women*
/r/MensRights14/11/20 02:50 PM
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Agree. I’ve received a lot of free drinks, get a lot of compliments, been excused from having to carry heavy shit, been given the aisle seat on the plane by chivalrous passengers. But I’d defs give all that up to take back the night in 2008 when I was raped. Messed me up real good.
/r/MensRights14/11/20 02:50 PM
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I think as far as rape is concerned, it’s no walk in the park for either. Would you rather have a 1/6 chance of being raped and everyone believe and support you, or a 1/33 chance of being raped but no one believe you and ridicule you? Both shitty choices.
/r/MensRights14/11/20 02:36 PM
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Women are more likely to be raped and murdered by their romantic partners <3
/r/MensRights14/11/20 02:30 PM
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Wasn’t that to have kids though?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 02:27 PM
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Are you defending the woman in this case?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 02:26 PM
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Do you think it’s a woman’s fault if the guy she shares a nude pic with publishes it online?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 02:25 PM
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Raping men is rape. This needs to be changed ASAP. I feel totally powerless though. Who can we support who will enact this law? Thank you for this post. It is true to the mission of the sub.
/r/MensRights14/11/20 02:06 PM
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Do you still have the post? Could you comment it here?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 02:03 PM
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How do you know?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 02:00 PM
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Isn’t the community mission to prove how awful feminism is?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 02:00 PM
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I agree all that ‘mansplain, manspread etc’ is often weaponised to silence men or make them shrink down. do you think the world would be better off without feminism? Do you think there would be any issues which would suffer without feminism? In your opinion, how will MRA address the fact that 90% of homicide perpetrators are men? What do you think is causing this disparity at the moment and how could it be addressed by MRA? https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/vio.2019.0005
/r/MensRights14/11/20 01:52 PM
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When have you’ve seen MRA being irrational?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 01:46 PM
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Isn’t this a double standard?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 01:44 PM
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What would an ideal description be? Would it make reference to feminism at all? It seems every second post on this sub references feminism in some way, so it seems negligent to not include it.
/r/MensRights14/11/20 01:43 PM
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I love that. I’m subbing out ‘toxic masculinity’ in favour of ‘Macho Bullshit’ from now on.
/r/MensRights14/11/20 12:18 PM
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You’re right, that was arrogant of me. I shouldn’t have assumed that the general public believes that the MRA claims feminists are exaggerating. The public may actually believe that the MRA supports feminists and don’t think they are overreacting or perhaps not reacting enough. Or something else entirely. My apologies for having made an observation on the viewpoint of the general public. How do you think the public sees the movement?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 11:49 AM
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I think ‘toxic masculinity’ sounds offensive because it implies there is something toxic about being masculine. I think what it should be instead is ‘toxic associations with masculinity’. The toxic thing being people’s expectation that someone can’t be masculine and also expressive at the same time. Or that you’re ‘forfeiting’ some of your masculinity in doing so, which you’re not. What do you think? Why do you dislike the phrase ‘toxic masculinity’?
/r/MensRights14/11/20 03:16 AM
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Good on him for choosing something that he wants to do and not just going with the status quo. I imagine it gets tough being a stay at home dad because the stay and home communities are mainly women. Also new to this sub. It’s intense. But i think it’s important to give the other side a shot.
/r/MensRights14/11/20 12:45 AM
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I’m sorry I don’t mean to come across as arrogant. Sorry for putting words in your mouth. What do you think MRA is about?
/r/MensRights13/11/20 11:09 AM
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Oh okay, I'm sorry. I must have misunderstood. I didn’t mean to offend. I'd love to know what you think about men's rights yourself because it seems like this is something you're very passionate about. What do you think is most important in the MRM?
/r/MensRights13/11/20 05:36 AM
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I think in regards to male genital mutilation, you should be blaming and fighting the religious institutions who practice it. These institutions will be the main barrier to removing the practice.
/r/MensRights13/11/20 04:19 AM
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I mean, don’t the general public think MRAs believe that men have it worst and women are overreacting. Isn’t that what you believe?
/r/MensRights13/11/20 03:28 AM
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I make a conscious effort to call out misandry when I see it. Feminism is not an excuse to hate on men. I think a lot of women who genuinely begrudge and hate men use feminism as a shield to spout their hatred. In my personal experience, I would say 90% of my friends would identify as feminists and yet none of them would ever say or support vile misandry on social media. They're 'mainstream' feminists. In fact, the vast majority of them donate money to Movember, and we've talked extensively abou…
/r/MensRights13/11/20 01:28 AM
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Thanks for sharing. Do you feel like he resents having to stay at home at all? Like it was forced on his as a result of his nurturing personality and lower pay rate? Do you identify as MRA?
/r/MensRights13/11/20 12:31 AM
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I wasn’t saying how most MRAs ARE. I was saying how most people (the general public) SEE them.
/r/MensRights13/11/20 12:16 AM
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Wow so he had to completely quit his job? Would he have stayed working otherwise? I also imagine that as the earning potential of women increases over the new decade or so, more couples are going to want to decide to have the man in the relationship be the primary care giver. I think culturally this will become more accepted. But if the law doesn’t support this choice through equal paternity rights, including paternity leave, gender neutral changing rooms and equal rights to custody, it does not…
/r/MensRights12/11/20 11:55 PM
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If they’re hardly seperate it should be easy for you to prove a correlation. Saying ‘but it hasn’t been researched just take my word for it’ doesn’t cut it for me. The correlation does not seem evident. If you believe feminism has destroyed everything, then by your logic it has also worsened mental disorders in men. You hate feminism and that’s fine. I have no business trying to change your mind on a men’s rights sub. But you have not succeeded in convincing me in this case.
/r/MensRights12/11/20 03:07 PM
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What is the main thing it threatens for you? Does it cause a threat to the women you care about?
/r/MensRights12/11/20 02:48 PM
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I mean... It's very difficult for me to prove to you that there isn't a causation between two separate things that don't have causality. What do I show you? A graph of suicide rates? A graph of the rise of feminism? Even if they both go up, it would be correlation not causation. I searched on your behalf for any study claiming a relationship between feminism and men's eating disorders and found nothing. I have the null hypothesis. We should assume there is no causality between two phenomena unti…
/r/MensRights12/11/20 02:18 PM
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This is great! But it was from last year, I wonder if they've been able to expand it full scale as intended.
/r/MensRights12/11/20 01:39 PM
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If you're comfortable responding, as a non binary person, do you identify as a MRA? Do you feel like in fighting for men's rights you are fighting for your rights? (sorry if too personal)
/r/MensRights12/11/20 01:36 PM
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What part do you find the most misandrous?
/r/MensRights12/11/20 01:33 PM
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Would you say you hate the KKK or feminism more?
/r/MensRights12/11/20 01:25 PM
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Hi!! Great idea for a uni project. I think if you are assessing men's and women's views on feminism you should include people's identified gender as one of the questions. There are (according to some people here) a lot of women on this sub, so don't assume they are all men. Just as there are male feminists, there are female men's rights activists, like myself. Do you self-identify as a feminist? Yes, yes I do. I imagine I am in the teeny tiny minority on this sub. How do you define feminism? The…
/r/MensRights12/11/20 01:23 PM
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Hey thanks for your answer. I've just got some questions cause Im trying to understand the nuance in these beliefs about gender inequality for men. There is no law against you, however you are less likely to get death sentences, you get less jail time, Agreed. Sentencing disparity is a massive double standard and needs to be wiped out. you have easier divorces because you steal most in divorces yet you pay less alimony and child support so single dads have it much harder When women steal more in…
/r/MensRights12/11/20 12:56 PM
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Ohh yeah I agree. That's a very valid criticism of communism. Even socialism. My dad owns a company and has seriously thought about moving it abroad on that basis that company taxes are so high here (in Australia that is relatively more socialist than America, less than Scandinavia). The people providing for the country can hit a breaking point and just be like ok bye im out. It does rely a lot on the patriotism of the wealthy to stay in the country and contribute disproportionately, and to not …
/r/MensRights12/11/20 12:43 PM
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That's bizarre. I can't even make sense of why they would have quotas in areas that have been dominated by women over an extended time. Thanks for sharing.
/r/MensRights12/11/20 12:32 PM
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Thanks for sharing. It's really helpful for me to understand these nuances in the beliefs of MRAs. Because of all the negative press, its absolutely impossible for me to get honest insight without asking you guys directly so it means a lot that you take the time. I myself am a feminist, but I believe we're at a breaking point where people are going to see we're splitting hairs with feminism and realise men's rights should be the priority. The next ten years are going to be crucial. Tbh for me, i…
/r/MensRights12/11/20 12:30 PM
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Thanks for sharing that. Damn this false allegation trend is crazy! I read this article: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/feb/11/spare-innocent-men-anguish-india-ruling-aims-to-end-false-claims So... interesting parts. In 10,068 cases – about a quarter – the women claimed it was rape on false promise of marriage. In Andhra Pradesh state, 45% of all rape cases filed in the past two years fell into the false marriage category. Absolutely fascinating. It's not even in the penal c…
/r/MensRights12/11/20 12:23 PM
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This is the difference between MRA and feminism. Women are not "allies" in MRA, they are full members. Sorry I mispoke. Women who support are MRA are full 'members'. Ally in a feminsit term that means sit and agree with everything I say when we say kill all men we are speaking from a place of hurt OK? definition of ally is " combine or unite a resource or commodity with (another) for mutual benefit." I believe this is what is intended when feminists ask men to 'ally' with feminism. This is becau…
/r/MensRights12/11/20 12:10 PM
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How do women have more legal power in India than men? What is the extent of women on man crime in India vs man on women crime?
/r/MensRights12/11/20 11:09 AM
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Do you think that most women who identify as feminists think that way? Do you think that there is no valid reason for a women’s rights movement to exist anymore? Or that there never was? Do you think a woman or man can be a feminist and advocate for men’s rights at the same time? Which of all men’s rights are most important to you?
/r/MensRights12/11/20 08:11 AM
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I don’t think the average feminist doesn’t want it. They just aren’t focusing on it. It’s not their mission to help men, it’s their mission to help women. They don’t perceive the inequalities men face, because they don’t live them every day, and they are too preoccupied with their own hardships. But to say the majority of feminists are vindictively trying to ruin men’s lives is a stretch.
/r/MensRights12/11/20 06:53 AM
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Yeah I understand. Gender egalitarian is the most accurate for me. I see how you talk about identifying as MRA being a means to grow the community in and off itself. Its like.. as long as a movement is under-represented its important I have signifiers to identify who is aligned with that movement and enable a community to grow. In this case men’s rights. Thanks for your support and patience.
/r/MensRights12/11/20 01:08 AM
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Glad to support. I have a lot of progressive friends who genuinely want the best for people. I think they’ll listen to me. I wanted to equip myself with this knowledge so that I can use to defend men’s rights and help them see the other side. Thanks for not gatekeeping :)
/r/MensRights12/11/20 12:00 AM
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I suppose this also explains why, walking down the street, women make generalisations that a man is more dangerous to her safety.
/r/MensRights11/11/20 10:23 PM
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Yeah we’re watching it on the weekend.
/r/MensRights11/11/20 10:19 PM
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If you can prove to me that the advocacy against eating disorders in women has had a negative impact on men’s eating disorders, then I will believe I am naive. If you’re saying there is a correlation, between feminism and an INCREASE in men’s eating disorders, you should be able to prove that. Thanks for that study. It shows that men and women do experience different kinds of eating disorders with similar disparity between them and that we need more data on eating disorders in men. It does not p…
/r/MensRights11/11/20 10:18 PM
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Yeah good point. Being bought drinks is not the main benefit of being female. Having a statistically lower chance of ending up homeless and sleeping in the park is. But what’s it got to do with manspreading?
/r/MensRights11/11/20 09:55 PM
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Oh that's not my understanding of Atwood? She got in a lot of trouble a few years back for calling out the 'witch-burning' nature of the #MeToo movement and for criticizing the 'guilty until proven innocent' approach to sexual assault allegations. In particular, she came under massive fire for standing up for a male alleged rapist who was fired from his university post even though he had not been convicted. “The public – including me – was left with the impression that this man was a violent ser…
/r/MensRights11/11/20 12:46 PM
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It's just biology. But it's easier to antagonize things and make everything black and white, than it is to use some common sense, apparently. I know if only it were so easy. Common sense is certainly common between common-minded people. But outside that? I'm always astounded at how different people's fundamental truths can really be. MRA vs feminism is a great example. That's why I think its important to stay in communication. A really interesting thought that in an alternate universe, the men's…
/r/MensRights11/11/20 12:32 PM
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From Wikipedia. "Gearhart outlines a three-step proposal for female-led social change from her essay, "The Future–-If There Is One–-is Female": I) Every culture must begin to affirm a female future. II) Species responsibility must be returned to women in every culture. III) The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race." This woman is CRAZY. It is obscene that she was able to rise to such prominence with such an absurd claim. Literally genocide. I…
/r/MensRights11/11/20 12:19 PM
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Censorship and tyranny are also cornerstones of fascism, on the complete opposite end of the spectrum. Social engineering is enforced by the government all the time, even in capitalist societies. We have the legal system. We punish people for acting in ways that we deem to have a negative impact on society or leads to a net injustice. That's why its called the justice system. We are shaping our culture to reflect what we think is best for everyone involved on the whole.
/r/MensRights11/11/20 12:08 PM
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Good point. Dictators tend to use extreme political ideologies on both ends because then they can justify their extreme actions through patriotism. It would be a double standard to not bring up fascism in this debate. A free market isn't a slippery slope to Nazism, any more than a national health scheme is a slippery slope to Marxism. Nothing is a slippery slope until you get a radical running your country...
/r/MensRights11/11/20 12:02 PM
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Eek he looks very controversial from a quick google. But that's just piqued my interest. I'll try to keep an open mind haha! Thanks.
/r/MensRights11/11/20 11:58 AM
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That will only alienate sympathetic people and cement the image of Men's rights as bitter misogynists in the long run. So true haha. Luckily I have a pretty thick skin and I know these insults aren't personal. It's the default feminist response to shift the blame on men for their own issues by denying that women have any social power or responsibility. Yeah agreed. 'Patriarchy' is a word that implies men's complete control over society, and therefore delegitimizes any concerns over men's welfare…
/r/MensRights11/11/20 11:53 AM
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Are you sure it doesn't make a difference? Doesn't your truth means nothing functionally if you can't persuade other people to believe in it and act on it. Unless you're going the fear route I guess. But derision pretty rarely converts someone to your camp....
/r/MensRights11/11/20 11:06 AM
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This is a really interesting fallacy. Its fallacious in the sense that men also make the highest percentage of homeless people too and in much larger populations. He doesn't have a problem with the fallacy, it just hasn't occurred to us yet. So thanks for letting me know about it.
/r/MensRights11/11/20 11:04 AM
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I agree with everything you said here and agree that this Duluth Model (didn't know it was called that so thank you) needs to be deposed. It was a big wake up moment for me seeing how the #Notallmen movement was vilified. I see what you mean about feminists looking at men's problems through a feminist lens. This is most of the criticism I am getting from others here which I accept. Many MRAs it seems thinks this is a hidden agenda to just get women ahead but I know this is not my aim. We simply …
/r/MensRights11/11/20 10:57 AM
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I didn't. What's her name?
/r/MensRights11/11/20 10:46 AM
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If the reason you don't like capitalism is because you're poor, then where would you go? If you are poor, who will take you?
/r/MensRights11/11/20 10:34 AM
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Hahah accidently having an unironic Hitler avatar is a big oof indeed
/r/MensRights11/11/20 10:29 AM
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Hopefully that won't happen. But I understand that if it does, the chances of him getting out unscathed are slim. Not only legally, but even psychosocially. He has internalised a lot of feminist guilt. His internal monologue about sexual assault is very defeatist. A bit before we started going out he had a one night stand with a girl when they were both very drunk. The next day she was really awkward about it and in year's past he started wondering if in fact what he did counted as sexual assaul…
/r/MensRights11/11/20 10:26 AM
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The "nice" feminsits you refer to are coffee shop feminists. They have 0 beauricratic power. Describing how they are all good is pointless. What people care about is the feminstis described above. The ones who actualy change policy. Feminists are obssessed with finding random MRAs with no powerat all making statements and saying look all MRA bad (you correctly point this out in previous post) yet ignore actual feminsits LEADERS, politciains, heads, or icons literally saying outragaresou misandrs…
/r/MensRights11/11/20 10:20 AM
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Thanks for that. I think I now understand what you mean now about the ‘fear’ thing. We can't assume that there isn't a tendency among women to want to choose men who are violent. I guess they could be conflating violence and power, and in being attracted to power, walking knowingly into violent situations either consciously or unconsciously. Perhaps rather than blame this on a 'cultural' fault that women have no free will over, there should be some accountability for the woman in her decision to…
/r/MensRights11/11/20 09:50 AM
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Thank you that’s really kind and courteous of you. Contrarily I don’t people are entitled to their opinions if they’re not backed by facts or haven’t evaluated the full scale of arguments. That’s why it was hypocritical of me to believe in feminism without giving honest time to the arguments against it. I get it. Like you said you’ve encountered too many people with prejudiced beliefs who call themselves feminists. Words evolve with time and the word feminist has become synonymous with man-hatin…
/r/MensRights11/11/20 09:20 AM
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That’s a good point. We should constantly be revaluating what is self evident and what had just been normalised belief. I’ll see if I can get around to the treatise. Its pretty dense haha
/r/MensRights11/11/20 08:55 AM
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Thanks for recommending. Him and I are going to watch it on the weekend.
/r/MensRights11/11/20 08:35 AM
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Omg yes this is what I’ve been noticing too! All fighting for the same ideals. Fighting in many cases for mutually beneficial outcomes. But nitpicking to an unreasonable extent in order to blame the other movement. I’m a bit confused by the false allegations part. Why doesn’t that have anything to do with MRA? I’ve been noticing quite a few posts like that on this sub.
/r/MensRights11/11/20 08:16 AM
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I believe the government acts to overrule culture all the time. Governments are informed by culture and inform culture themselves. Whether or not it is considered subject of a dictatorship depends on whether it serves to keep the current leader in power and goes against the will of the people. But I’m hearing what your saying, politically speaking it is more Marxist than not having the law at all. The way that 2 is closer to 100 than 1 is. That said I appreciate that you are an advocate for free…
/r/MensRights11/11/20 07:15 AM
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My apologies I must have misunderstood.
/r/MensRights11/11/20 07:08 AM
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Thanks for that. I think only time will tell. I feel like the best I can do myself is to acknowledge the double standards and criticise every affirmative action made in favour of women. Who benefits? Who is neglected? Who loses out? Thanks for helping me make sense of this.
/r/MensRights11/11/20 07:07 AM
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Thats a good point actually. It is consistent across cultures so that indicates a biological reason. Do you think men have a better biological disposition to be good leaders because of this generousity? Do you think the tendency for men to enact laws which favour women is therefore biological? Or is this cultural?
/r/MensRights11/11/20 07:04 AM
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Yeah I get that. Economically it certainly is a hard sell. I think it could hurt your career in the long term if it’s more than a few months. I guess I’m curious to know if men want this cultural change. I think there must be men who would rather more spend time with family and less time on their career.
/r/MensRights11/11/20 06:51 AM
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Hmm well that is a double standard on the part of those women... Sex doesn’t determine who makes a better parent.
/r/MensRights11/11/20 06:48 AM
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Yeah you’re right actually. This is stuff that I have been taught over and over and I think it’s just a reflex for me to defend it. I’m still learning and I’m trying to understand another side. But it takes a lot of unlearning too in order to be able to look at it with fresh eyes. Thanks for your patience.
/r/MensRights11/11/20 06:46 AM
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Okay thank you for that. My apologies I wasn’t aware that the rate of eating disorders in men was close to women’s. Have you got any resources for this I could look into? I understand suicide is more serious than an eating disorder. The example was supposed to serve as an example only of areas where feminism has not resulted in a net negative outcome for men. I did not mean to diminish the important of support for men’s mental health. Not draw a comparison between two seperate issues.
/r/MensRights11/11/20 06:36 AM
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These aren’t laws. They are what was considered proper. Who cares if you could legally work if your husband mother father friends scowled you for even considering it? Anyway I’m not here to justify feminism. But here is an article explaining how in the mid 18th century a law was passed to give women the equal rights to inherit their family’s land rather than their husbands. https://www.loc.gov/law/help/inheritance-laws/unitedstates.php As for children inheriting... the world today has many socie…
/r/MensRights11/11/20 06:26 AM
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Sorry, I thought they were synonymous. I am new here. I’m sad to see your lack of sympathy and concession with a person who is clearly trying to understand you. I thought I was going to get red pilled but I just got told my views are too feminist and I should go away.
/r/MensRights11/11/20 06:13 AM
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It happens illegally in Australia to women within ethnic religious minorities. Shady doctors handle them and are never jailed. They often are kept away from hospitals in the case of infection as the procedure is illegal. But genital mutilation happens more frequently to men. And the problem requires our immediate address. Unfortunately I think your main barrier to achieving this are religious organisations and not the feminist movement. You have, in my opinion, misidentified you enemy.
/r/MensRights11/11/20 05:58 AM
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So according to you, is the issue that men don’t want paternity leave because they don’t want To stall their careers, or that the do want paternity leave but their wives monopolise their child anyway because they are on maternity leave? Do men want the option to have that quality time with the child or do they want to NOT have the option available to them at all?
/r/MensRights11/11/20 05:53 AM
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This is child abuse. She is trivialising sexual assault.
/r/MensRights11/11/20 05:46 AM
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Yeah, in that case I understand. It’s frustrating. I think often because in current society children spend more time with their mothers it’s even more important that that is balanced with a male role model in schools. For both girls and boys. Also I don’t buy into the argument that girls are naturally ‘better at school’. I’ve heard this one before used to debunk the stereotyping of women as stupid (which obviously isn’t true anyway). Instead what it tells me is that If a teaching method is benef…
/r/MensRights11/11/20 05:45 AM
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Is maternity leave an agenda to remove women from the workforce?
/r/MensRights11/11/20 03:36 AM
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Are you accusing me of that?
/r/MensRights11/11/20 03:36 AM
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Thanks. I thought so.
/r/MensRights11/11/20 02:36 AM
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Okay... I disagree. I think couples would prefer to have the father take paternity leave and these couples are not currently covered by the law. I consider this to be unequal. ‘Parental leave’ is not leaving the work force. You continued to be employed. It serves as quality time with your child. I don’t think you can speak on behalf of all men saying they do or don’t want paternity leave. They should have the choice. https://www.google.ca/amp/amp.abc.net.au/article/life/11055054
/r/MensRights11/11/20 02:35 AM
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Agreed. Men need to be equally represented in something as instrumental and formative in people’s lives as teaching. I would disagree they’re well paid, at least to my understanding.
/r/MensRights11/11/20 01:26 AM
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Do you indentify as MRA? What do you think about feminism?
/r/MensRights11/11/20 12:50 AM
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Okay thank you for that. I realise women could claim property rights and legal rights in the official sense. I guess what I meant to say by lack of agency.. was what was expected and what was the norm. Like say in China, it’s traditional for a man to inherit rather than his older sister. This can be disputed by law in certain cases. My point is this that this kind of agency wasn’t the norm for women. I think the fact that women had less agency over who that married and whether they would inherit…
/r/MensRights11/11/20 12:45 AM
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I completely agree with this. Feminism is fighting for equality in areas where women are unequal. But feminism by definition neglects to fight in areas where men are unequal. I will say... I think men’s rights need to be championed for this reason. It’s a counterpart to feminism. It’s not necessarily it’s opposition but without men’s rights disproportionate funding and attention on certain issues can happen. Take eating disorders. feminism has championed a movement to raise awareness for eating …
/r/MensRights11/11/20 12:24 AM
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I think it is his genuine thoughts. He believes MRM hate women. If believed feminists hated men I’d dish them up the same way too
/r/MensRights10/11/20 09:19 PM
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I’m sorry about that. That’s why we need men’s liberation.
/r/MensRights10/11/20 09:18 PM
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That is your responsibly to speak up then and ensure they are not laughed at. Is it worse for men with mental health now as a result of feminism? Feminism abandoned eating disorders in men by definition. But they didn’t make them worse. It is now the purpose of a men’s rights movement to advocate for support for men’s eating disorders with a problem overwhelmingly affecting women (by the data they are presented with, which cannot include what they don’t know). Men speak up less often it’s true, …
/r/MensRights10/11/20 09:13 PM
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Okay, I didn’t realised men didn’t want paternity leave. I thought men would want to the choice to be as involved with their children as possible.
/r/MensRights10/11/20 09:04 PM
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I’m sorry I don’t agree with your opinion then.
/r/MensRights10/11/20 09:02 PM
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This is a really good point. I guess the things you can do are minimal. At this point... It makes sense to focus on men’s rights.
/r/MensRights10/11/20 03:35 PM
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You’re working on the basis that feminism and men’s rights are at odds. I believe this concept to be fundamentally false. The behaviour and beliefs of the individuals I can’t promise anything.
/r/MensRights10/11/20 03:32 PM
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Of feminism? Just one? How about... Drawing attention to and raising awareness of eating disorders. Feminists have advocated for education programs and rehab programs of young women suffering eating disorders. This is something that disproportionately affects women to date. It’s also something that doesn’t negatively impact men at all, nor imply men are to blame for the issue. Before you say this is exclusionary. It is the same as men’s rights activists focusing on male suicide prevention. It’s …
/r/MensRights10/11/20 03:30 PM
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There are female dating subs?? Weird I’m gonna look lol
/r/MensRights10/11/20 02:38 PM
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I agree. Conscription is awful but if it is totally necessary to avoid invasion, then conscript all genders. As for genital mutilation. This is not a female vs male thing. This is a sexual oppression thing. As long as people thing sex is shameful little kids are going to be subjected to this. The problems men and women face in genital mitigation are different. Women are more likely to no longer experience sexual pleasure following genital mutilation. Men are more likely to be genitally mutilated…
/r/MensRights10/11/20 02:34 PM
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It seems ultimately this is no longer about men’s rights and instead about libertarianism. I support government intervention, you do not. That’s fine.
/r/MensRights10/11/20 02:29 PM
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This is the slippery slope fallacy. I think we agree to disagree on quotas and we stop here.
/r/MensRights10/11/20 02:24 PM
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Damnn. I take the opposite stance. In my person experience I reckon feminism has cooled off recently and new gen feminists are less extreme. The movement used to initially be just focused on getting women ahead at any cost. These days I see a lot more feminist discussion about men’s health, probably because we’ve made so much progress in women’s rights that it’s high tide we have men’s rights a look in. So true re Islam. Iran actually has its own feminist movement at the moment who are rejecting…
/r/MensRights10/11/20 02:23 PM
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Agreed on persecution of dads. I don’t think this is achieved by ‘undoing’ feminism as much as it is by correcting a gross ‘over correction’ that occurred as a result of feminism in family law. Before feminism, men used to have complete custody rights over their kids which is equally fked up. Now women have near complete custody rights in most cases. We need to reach a middle ground. How do you think feminism contributed to an excess of female teachers?
/r/MensRights10/11/20 02:16 PM
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Ok my mistake. I suppose only that I mean it does not come into conversation in a regular basis. Nor that it seems to hold any cultural significance for the average Australian to their knowledge as it does in America.
/r/MensRights10/11/20 02:11 PM
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I identify with feminism and sexual liberation. I don’t condone misandry in any form. I identify with the men’s right movements. Particularly paternal rights, banning genital mutilation and suicide prevention. Most of the stuff I have seen the MRM claim about feminists I have never seen for myself. But if I met anyone who was claiming men’s health isn’t an issue or is men’s fault or something I would tell them they’re misguided. There are always at least few bad apples in every movement. I belie…
/r/MensRights10/11/20 02:09 PM
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Yes because they were claiming the fact that someone born into one kind of privilege negates the existence of the other. Or than the fact that an equal number of males and females in each social strata means gender privilege therefore couldn’t exist. By this logic, it couldn’t exist for men or for women. So I thought this argument didn’t hold up and created a simplified example to show why not. I don’t believe women are less privileged that men in modern western society, but they are less privil…
/r/MensRights10/11/20 02:00 PM
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I think it’s the fact that MRM hates feminism that he can’t get on board with. I understand the view that this determination to disband the feminism movement rather than act independently in championing men’s rights is self-destructive and why he usually identifies with the men’s lib movement instead.
/r/MensRights10/11/20 01:52 PM
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So... You think having to pay your partners gambling debt is worse than immediately never getting custody over your children?
/r/MensRights10/11/20 01:41 PM
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He doesn’t doubt the validity of the things you try to change. He is pro all these things. He just doesn’t identify with the movement because he sees the stereotypical MRA as invested in the movement due to personal grudges. I suspect he’ll just be like ‘oh i guess I believe in all the things they believe in but why they gotta be so cringy’.
/r/MensRights10/11/20 01:38 PM
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The most common one is that positions in governments and national leadership has to this day and since early civilisation have been overwhelmingly filled by men. These are powerful positions which shape history and the daily experience for all inhabitants. This has been sustained for such a long time that we cannot put it down to chance. Therefore it’s cultural. This culture is referred to as a male-dominated society - or patriarchy. It doesn’t explain the family life, or individual policy, but …
/r/MensRights10/11/20 01:29 PM
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What will happen when he figures out?
/r/MensRights10/11/20 01:19 PM
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I agree. Paternity laws are the worst. Equal custody rights and paternity leave are a MUST for gender equality. I don’t know how feminists are sleeping on this one - it benefits women too.
/r/MensRights10/11/20 01:19 PM
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Like I said. I asked him point blank. This is was MRM evokes for him without having researched it. I’d like the make the point that one can be progressive and also have a negative associate with MRM subs. People can be progressive and not even know this exists. Overall he is progressive in the political sense of the word. He believes in men’s rights. Anti-conscription, anti genital mutilation, supports men’s mental health and fundraisers. He just doesn’t identify with MRM. I imagine for the same…
/r/MensRights10/11/20 01:17 PM
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I can 100% guarantee his answer to all these questions would be: Of course we should protect and outlaw genital mutilation (fk religion!) No conscription should ever be compulsory unless in case of defending ones own country from immediate invasion and then everyone over 21 off you go regardless of gender and including trans people. Men and women should be equal under the law in every way. Male victims of violence should receive equal care as female victims of violence and spending should be pro…
/r/MensRights10/11/20 01:06 PM
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Yeah but... My point was that even within your social strata men and women are subjected to different disadvantages and gender inequalities. For instance he says you are just as likely to be born male as female and therefore affirmative action has already taken place. The example is that regardless of history a man or woman is just as likely to be born into privilege. This I imagine is speaking about financial privilege. The present day heir of a fortune is not equally likely to be male. If she …
/r/MensRights10/11/20 12:58 PM
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Quotas - I don’t believe people and people’s livelihoods work like currency. Money is not alive. Quotas inspire changes in cultural norms. Constraint markets do not act in the same way. I don’t KNOW every man who has rejected nursing but I can’t imagine the reason for so few male nurses is anything but social conditioning. https://minoritynurse.com/male-nurses-overcoming-the-stigma/ Society has not legally said no. That’s not what I meant. People’s grand parents and parents discourage their sons…
/r/MensRights10/11/20 12:32 PM
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Yeah I knew we had a constitution. I suppose what I mean is that it is culturally insignificant. It’s also lacking to the point it doesn’t hold much weight in terms of Australian sovereignty (IMO). In my understand it hasn’t even got a bill of rights as of yet https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/RP9697/97rp12
/r/MensRights10/11/20 12:20 PM
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In the second quote, I was explaining the ideology of feminism and how racial theory and gender theory differ in their concept of privilege. This is not my personal belief.
/r/MensRights10/11/20 12:18 PM
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I definitely give a fuck about these things. I don’t blame men. I want more rights for men, that’s why I’m here doofus.
/r/MensRights10/11/20 12:14 PM
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I’m sorry. I may sympathise with men today, but I won’t pretend that women did not once have a terrible lack of agency. Marriage was not a good thing for women. Let’s use your example. Jane Austen herself never married and her protagonists served as examples of why women should try to marry for love, something that was discouraged of women at the time. We can assume if Jane had married we would probably not have her works to use as our example. Women were expected to stop working with marriage a…
/r/MensRights10/11/20 11:52 AM
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Totally agree with this. Not everything unique to a man is a privilege. Particularly war death and suicide. I don’t know how anyone can spin that to be a mans fault unless they are misandrists.
/r/MensRights10/11/20 08:25 AM
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I think that’s how many people would describe MRAs to be honest. It’s implying men have it worse and women are overreacting.
/r/MensRights10/11/20 08:18 AM
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Omg even for when they were in the majority? That’s just poor planning. Unless it is cause the increases were caused by the scholarships themselves. I imagine they usually have scholarships running for a few years/decades and monitor see if it increases organic enrolment rate then scrap them once they have met their unofficial ‘quotas’. I agree it’s not right that men aren’t part of quotas in other subjects. It goes to show that people place STEM in very high regard and have feminism front of mi…
/r/MensRights10/11/20 08:13 AM
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It is short term across generations. Let’s say we have a deficiency of men in the nursing industry (we do). It will take 20 years for the percentage of men in nursing to rise by only 5% due to men’s reluctance to enrol. The reason for low enrolment is currently due to gender bias - far more women apply, and men do not because they feel it is not their place to be a nurse. Rather than allow this imbalance to continue to the detriment of the industry that has too many women, universities enforce a…
/r/MensRights10/11/20 08:05 AM
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You know what, I can’t fault a single word you’ve said. I completely agree. EXCEPT that a feminist would likely blame slavery on the patriarchy. It would be a stretch and you could use a feminist framework for it, and many white feminists in the 1700s used slavery as an analogy for their suffering, but I don’t think any reasonable feminist would claim patriarchy caused slavery. The only argument you could make for that is that because men made all the laws at that time they were responsible, but…
/r/MensRights10/11/20 07:43 AM
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I’m hearing what you’re saying. I agree that any over represented demographic in a particular university course is a bad thing. But it seems you’re cherry picking. I just googled med school numbers in western countries globally and it seems although the majority of medical students are women in the UK, US and Aus, this lead is always by less than 5% nationally. It is also a recent phenomenon to have overtaken males. I agree it is a problem of overshooting and should be kept in check but the 70% …
/r/MensRights10/11/20 07:27 AM
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Yeah I can believe that. You could also say patriarchy is not responsible for racism or obesity. I agree that people can take a perspective and consciously or not, squeeze it to fit the framework that they already know. I also agree that current custody laws are the opposite of patriarchy. The pendulum has swung too far in favour of women in this case. It needs to change.
/r/MensRights10/11/20 06:57 AM
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Yeah I get your point the problem for gender and race are different. Let me poke a hole in your theory. I’m going to simplify this example and it’s obviously way more complicated than this in western modern society. I’ll keep race out of it. Let’s say we’re in... China in the 1300’s. Or Ancient Rome. Rich man Rich woman Middle class man Middle class woman Poor man Poor woman Slave man Slave woman Slave people are worse off than all other groups overall. But women are worse off than men on averag…
/r/MensRights10/11/20 05:57 AM
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I would 100% support quotas for men. If you’re aim is to get to what is representative for the population, I think you must be sure to not overshoot the target. I’ve looked into male scholarships in women dominated fields in Australia. The answer is no but people are talking about it. They signal a decline of men in health care, social assistance and education. Big red flag. I hope scholarships are offered soon. I personally believe they will be. Once people realise that this stuff has to go bot…
/r/MensRights10/11/20 05:42 AM
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I’m sorry you feel that way. Of the feminists I know, their understanding of gender theory has made them much more sympathetic to men with mental health problems and much less likely to say things like ‘man up’. I’m sorry you feel that liberating women has meant shackling men.
/r/MensRights10/11/20 05:36 AM
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Yeah I agree with this. Male disposability is so wrong. The idea of conscription itself is proof that people undervalue men’s lives and give women special treatment. This sort of ‘gallantry’ sucks. And is so damn toxic. I also agree patriarchy doesn’t really work as a clean concept any more. There are too many exceptions that have been brought about by feminist movements. Women have more power over their lives now, but men do not. But don’t you think that we USED to be a patriarchy in the way th…
/r/MensRights10/11/20 05:25 AM
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I agree with you that none of these things are that simple. This was a simplification on my part to show the first little questions I asked myself that got me thinking about what we were doing to support men’s rights in the gender equality movement. I agree men’s education is a problem. In part I attribute this to the idea that education is just to get someone a job. This means heaps of boys leave school in their teens to work in trade and never finish education. I wonder how much of this is by …
/r/MensRights10/11/20 05:14 AM
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Yeah I actually don’t have a clue. I’m Australian and we have different legislation in place. I guess, personally, I hate the idea that some people are born worse off. Its sad to me. I hate the idea that I’m winning something I haven’t earned. If some sort of hardship is due to systemic oppression by a particular group who holds more power, I support that group yielding some of that power in order to allow the oppressed group to gain agency. Even across generations. I misspoke before. Our unis d…
/r/MensRights10/11/20 05:09 AM
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Don’t you believe it is equally a man’s and woman’s responsibility when they engage in the act and it produces a child? Wouldn’t it follow that men and women should have equal opportunity to drop out from the workforce and raise children or stay in their careers rather than having a societal expectation of who should do what?
/r/MensRights10/11/20 04:50 AM
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Thanks. I’ll try to get around to it.
/r/MensRights10/11/20 04:46 AM
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No. She was wrong. By virtue of the fact that she abused someone. I think most reasonable people would agree on that fact. I can’t promise people would believe you, or understand the seriousness however. I’m sorry about that. Hope you’re safe now.
/r/MensRights10/11/20 04:42 AM
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Hmm.. I can’t promise I’m going to watch that doco cause it’s 45 mins long I tried to look up the name of the person who coined patriarchy and couldn’t find it so it seems debated. Nebulous concepts are not automatically conspiracies. Conspiracies are usually very specific, widely contested and not widely believed. By the patriarchy concept I determine patriarchy to mean a society in which men predominately call the shots. Men are in leadership positions and make decisions based on the majority …
/r/MensRights10/11/20 04:39 AM
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Which civil rights in particular? I believe in building disadvantaged groups to a position of social, professional and political equality, even if that requires short term disadvantage to previously privileged people. It’s short term pain for long term gain.
/r/MensRights10/11/20 03:31 AM
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How is that against civil rights?
/r/MensRights10/11/20 03:11 AM
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I would not accuse someone who is against feminism as being misogynistic until I knew what their definition of feminism was. You should extend the same sympathy to people who think poorly of the MRM. A lot of the time they believe what you believe, but just don’t identify with the name because they haven’t looked into it.
/r/MensRights10/11/20 03:09 AM
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I know right. Most men don’t get this level of power anyway. Either because they can’t due to race or health or wealth reasons, or because they don’t want to. And that is perfectly valid too. I am sorry if you have a disadvantage as a result of quotas or whatnot. These are put in place to quickly level the number of men and women in an industry so that we can benefit from equal gender representation more quickly. Similar with racial quotas. I’m white, so for a lot of jobs and uni I felt frustrat…
/r/MensRights10/11/20 03:06 AM
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Usually if a man is claiming feminism isn’t needed or that women ‘have it better’. When ‘better’ is so subjective. Maybe the ‘right’ kind of woman has it better. The ‘right’ kind of man has it better. It shouldn’t be about that - they’re two sides of the same coin. I read a lot of sexually frustrated MRAs who believe being nice entitles them to a sexual partner and that feminism is to blame for their sex life somehow? I don’t believe this is a wide belief held by MRAs, at least I hope not. I cal…
/r/MensRights10/11/20 02:55 AM
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Yeah I find that description of this sub to be pretty accurate actually. A lot of legal rather than social discussion. I definitely think we stemmed from a ‘patriarchal’ society and elements of it remain, but it is now one that is to both men’s and women’s detriment. Back in the 1800s for instance, men could legally hit and rape their wife to their pleasing. This men’s men are not falsely incarcerated for abuse. Now both those things are legal which is great news for women, but it spurs the oppo…
/r/MensRights10/11/20 02:32 AM
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Yeah that’s awful. I’m so sorry about that. What made you stay?
/r/MensRights10/11/20 02:19 AM
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Well that was rude. No handies for you.
/r/MensRights10/11/20 02:17 AM
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I will definitely. I think this needs to be talked about more. I understand why you guys are so angry. I think most identifying feminists would not oppose any of these things unless they are legit misandrists (I don’t know any of these I don’t think), but these issues have been massively overlooked and neglected. And dare I say it, overshadowed by feminism. The people I know definitely care about men mental health and raise money for it every year... but the extent of legal prejudice has been la…
/r/MensRights10/11/20 02:15 AM
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You know what. I’m relatively knew to MRM but these are things I’ve always believed in. Things that didn’t stand up for me: 1. Women feel afraid in the streets alone. Surely men do too? 2. Let’s close the wage gap? Women drop out of the workforce to raise children: it’s there choice to choose a career or choose family? Well, Make it socially and legally normal for men to choose to raise a family, to win custody, to take equal paternity leave. 3. Unrealistic body standards to women. What about un…
/r/MensRights10/11/20 02:11 AM
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Yeah I get you. Seems like the reason you disapprove of feminism is because of either stances or people that use it directly to undermine men’s rights. I agree on this front. I believe womens’ tendency to objectify themselves is just as much their fault as it is men’s fault that they are statistically more likely to commit violent crime. Ie. it is and it isn’t. It’s much bigger than the individual action. It’s the result of gender bias and a massive societal failing. It’s the conscious and uncon…
/r/MensRights10/11/20 01:48 AM
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I thought it relevant to the discussion, given that my boyfriend was responding to a woman in a discussion about men’s rights. And also that my boyfriend was not gay. But I’ll edit it out.
/r/MensRights10/11/20 12:19 AM
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This is the mentality that we have to call people up on. It is not a man’s place in society to accept abuse.
/r/MensRights10/11/20 12:14 AM
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That sucks. That’s so wrong. Men’s issues are just as important as women’s issues. An educational facility should be encouraging freedom of thought. As long as they teach their kids the difference between hate speech and constructive arguments, there should be no reason to ban anything.
/r/MensRights09/11/20 11:51 PM
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Man I’m so sorry about this. I’m sorry your marriage caused you so much pain. Did you feel like you were mistreated by your wife or do you just think marriage was the wrong course for you? You should relocate to a country or state where sex work is legal! Doesn’t stop it being pretty expensive though.
/r/MensRights09/11/20 11:48 PM
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I agree with the law thing. It’s a bit of a chicken and egg scenario. Society informs the law and law informs society. But I reckon that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to tackle both at once. Like for example in cases of ‘sexual assault’ this guilty until proven innocent thing has to stop. The law needs to change, and at the same time, people need to teach their kids to not ostracise someone based on a rumour that they’re a rapist. If it’s not proven in court, it’s technically not True. I feel li…
/r/MensRights09/11/20 11:31 PM
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Woohoo! Yes that’s me! I am definitely an egalitarian too! But I wonder if, rhetorically, that is a bit too passive. I would also continue to call myself a men’s right activist and a feminist in their particular contexts. I think that level of specificity is good to be able to single out your support in different movements. I don’t think believing in one negates the other. For example. Egalitarian would imply I am also not a racist. But I love the term anti-racist. It means I am committed to sto…
/r/MensRights09/11/20 11:23 PM
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I just wanted to let you know that I’m sorry you feel so betrayed by society. In issues of female abuse against men, I would, by contrary, recommend a therapist that is versed gender theory. Gender theory explores both men and women’s gender roles and issues, unlike mainstream media which has focused solely on women’s issues. People who study gender theory focus on men’s expectations in society, societal pressures and the differences between how females vs males abuse their victims. I would worr…
/r/MensRights09/11/20 11:12 PM
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I completely agree. Women need to very critical of what they find attractive in a man. Aggression, muscles, size... it a double standard. I think we need to call women out for this behaviour when you see it. I personally believe this is the remnants of conservative thinking that is dying out in the younger generations. Gen Z’s e-boys are a good example of this, whether the definition of an attractive male is moving away from ultra-masculine and dominent to almost a more ‘emotional’ and alluring …
/r/MensRights09/11/20 11:05 PM
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It’s like saying all abortions are created by women. Like no it’s not their fault and also it relies on participation from both sexes. Men’s suicide rates are perpetuated by both men and women. Men refuse to show their emotions and women (generally conservative women) believe men should be strong and emotionless. Id also remind them that gender equality needs to be matched on both sides. If you want to reduce the pay gap, then you need to improve fatherhood rights. I wouldn’t be surprised if you…
/r/MensRights09/11/20 10:45 PM
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Might I just say you’ve phrased that question really well. I think the key is to assess what is making you want to get agressive. Do you disagree with their point of view? Or are they actively bullying you? If it’s the latter you are within your rights to escalate to a manager. Or else completely remove yourself from the situation. Agression is never the right way.
/r/MensRights09/11/20 10:35 PM
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Where do I fit on this matrix? I’m a feminist who wants men’s rights as much as I want women’s rights. I don’t want women shamed for sleeping with who they want, but I don’t believe in ‘believe every victim’ bullshit. I’m not throwing empirical reason out the window because it’s hard to prove when you’ve been raped. I also believe that the pay gap exists and is a problem. But I don’t think it will be solved until we give fathers equal rights over their children - equal paternal leave and custody…
/r/MensRights09/11/20 09:50 PM
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This is illegal. Usually it’s because the boss has some fked up idea about gender roles, wants his staff to flirt with customers or would rather be surrounded by women all day (either for her ‘safety’ or his gratification). The world is sleeping on the fact that gender roles are so damaging to men. Flight attendants, nurses, receptionists, secretary... males are underrepresented in these fields and unlike for a woman going for an engineering role is praised, a man becoming a nurse is often ridic…
/r/MensRights09/11/20 09:46 PM
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I think this would be because black men represent more of a physical threat to the cops and historically have been responsible for more violent crime against cops. That means cops make a snap judgement based on whether it’s a man or woman, black or white and they treat them accordingly. It’s shitty stereotyping that’s just perpetuating the problem and probably leading to a vicious cycle of abuse and sentencing of a lot of innocent men. Out of curiosity how would you propose we solve this instanc…
/r/MensRights09/11/20 09:41 PM
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Apparently this is actually half true. One poll watcher was rejected. The person in charge wasn’t aware of the new law which allows any poll watcher to go inside an monitor counting. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/nov/03/tweets/fact-checking-claim-about-poll-watchers-turned-awa/
/r/MensRights09/11/20 09:34 PM
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I think the ‘sexual autonomy’ policy itself is great. People shouldn’t feel shame about having sex! But how can people not see a problem in punishing someone socially and professionally before they are even found guilty of the crime the are accused of? It’s totally backwards.
/r/MensRights09/11/20 09:31 PM
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This deserves 10 years. A massive abuse of her position of power.
/r/MensRights09/11/20 09:25 PM
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I did my research but I usually give more weight to the official court ruling. However, I now understand the argument that the court ruling was unfair given what we’ve heard in those tapes.
/r/MensRights09/11/20 09:24 PM
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I am completely with you. But that said, I am also a feminist who believes in the men’s liberation movement. You described everything so eloquently, I can’t fault it at all. Unfortunately men’s rights and men’s liberation draw different subreddit crowds. I think you’ll find these guys are much more jaded and generally angry at what they perceive as an anti-men hate movement. They’re fed up and feel betrayed and out of control. As a result the rhetoric seems more concerned with criticising femini…
/r/MensRights09/11/20 12:42 PM
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Yes I’ve just been reading up on it now. My rule of thumb is to not accuse anyone of abuse unless they’re caught red handed or sentenced. However listening to those tapes shows that Amber definitely isn’t as helpless or terrified of him as she claims.
/r/MensRights09/11/20 12:21 PM
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As a feminist, I actually believe men get the best and worst of what society has to offer. Like women, what they don’t get is a choice. Sure, maybe men can reach greater levels of power with less obstacles, but they also have further to fall in cases of powerlessness and less safety nets. A man who stays at home with the kids is emasculated by friends and family. A man who doesn’t get promoted feels more worthless than a woman. He is more likely to fall into poverty and less likely to be able to…
/r/MensRights09/11/20 12:05 PM
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Haha thank you! That’s what I was noticing. I think both men’s and women’s issues are so important and it’s just destructive for both sides to diminish the other’s pain. I feel sorry for the guys that feel this way. Although I don’t agree with anything OP says (marriage levels, what’s that?) It goes to show how damaging it is for men to feel unloved and unable to meet male expectations. I don’t think these guys realise that the mainstream gender equality movement also benefits them in this way. …
/r/MensRights09/11/20 11:36 AM
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I apologise. I thought it was proven in court that he has done these things. I place my faith in the judge who had all the information at hand. But from what I’ve heard of those recordings she is certainly physically and verbally abusive herself.
/r/MensRights09/11/20 11:20 AM
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I understand you are angry but this is not my experience at all. I understand that men have very unique challenges that women have not been privy to. But to say that it is a myth that feminists believe the sexist are equal is completely misguided. Sometimes to reach a just middle ground, the pendulum has to first swing the other way. Feminism and gender equality has come on hard and strong in the last ten years because no other way was allowing women to progress. I can't speak for others, but ge…
/r/MensRights09/11/20 10:35 AM
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The judge found Depp guilty of physically abusing Amber 12 of 14 times. This doesn't mean Amber was not herself abusive nor men are not physically abused (and more) by women every day. They are. It also doesn't disprove the fact that Depp suffered addiction and depression, something that plagues men as a result of the enormous expectation society has on them. But this is NOT the right ambassador for your movement. There is simply too much evidence that he also beat his wife. Edit: hey guys, I un…
/r/MensRights09/11/20 10:18 AM
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New here. Is this what men's rights activists are about? I thought it was about reducing male suicide, men's war death, men's rates of depression and the expectations to be devoid of emotion. I thought it was about advocating for equal consideration of child custody and fighting bias in consideration of domestic abuse cases.
/r/MensRights09/11/20 10:06 AM
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