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Yeah but a worldview can be wrong and or flawed. Then alignment can make people double down.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:26 PM
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Yes, but people constantly confuse values with implementation and methods. Practically a lot of people use the value argument as excuse to mean they want someone who validates all of their beliefs. That's bad for society imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:18 PM
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They do matter, but it is quite annoying in my view when people just want to surround themselves with people who say what they want to hear. Sometimes you are wrong, and this applies to everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:02 PM
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Are you asking what I consider that or what the average man considers that, because these answers are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:26 PM

Yes because people really are that callous 🙄 most people regardless of gender are decent. Not great, sometimes selfish, but they don't take pleasure in other people being murdered.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:21 PM

April was very dry and sunny but not that warm. We had a few hotter days but nothing crazy. And the predictions for may are quite bad; wet and cold.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:56 PM

https://youtu.be/I0SVd_Q5wIg?is=M9tODLzPjjPDnrCX One of my lifegoals is listening to this song while alone in Kyoto.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:51 PM

Ours are too
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:51 PM
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Nature over hoes bro
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:07 PM

Beautiful cliffs <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:54 PM

You should visit Rugen.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:26 PM
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I think I somewhat disagree. There's a lot of diversity in feminism and their use of patriarchy, but when it comes to how that relates to men I feel the diversity is quite lacking and most strands align with eachother. There's a subtle undertone of "men have more power and women have it worse" but no real critical examination of the issue with aggregating power and wellbeing over a whole gender and then extrapolating it to most people. You can see this with how the concept intersectionality is u…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 02:42 PM
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I agree that you can argue it is compatible but then the dominant interpretation of patriarchy needs to change. It's compatible with some interpretations, but incompatible with many others. "Patriarchy harms men too" is often very far from being good enough because it doesn't use the best interpretation of what patriarchy is. The side effect idea is a good example, this is very biased and imo sexist framing of the real pattern, which is that the oppression of men and women are connected. But cal…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 02:20 PM
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I have so many examples of me realizing like a year later that a woman was hitting on me. Like another coworker about a year ago started singing the lyrics of a very sexual song ( like about eating pussy and stuff)in my ears at a work party. At the time I thought this was weird but just told myself "I guess this is just how she is" and only recently I realized this was probably a flirting attempt lmao. Yeah naturally, not through skill but through ignorance 😂 That's the advantage of a poly relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:07 PM
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Well my monkey brain wants something more. It's extremely rare for me to feel quick attraction to someone because I lean more demisexual, but with her I felt it literally at my first day at work. But since I was in a monogamous relationship at that time, I didn't do anything about it. My neocortex doesn't want it though, because I know it's morally wrong to be a part of someone else being cheated on, and the more I get to know her, the more I also start caring about her, and the more I don't wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 07:22 PM
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Yeah the girl I'm in a relationship with is the one I was building a connection with a few months ago. It's going well I would say, besides a few misunderstandings that are normal when you're still getting to know eachother. I don't really feel much jealousy so I don't find it that difficult to switch from monogamy to poly. I really enjoy being with her. The one at work is a different girl, and somehow she started flirting with me when my previous relationship ended and my current one began even…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 07:11 PM
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I think that's definitely a thing, since they are in a relationship themselves. I'm also in one, but it's a poly one, so I would not be doing anything morally wrong if it moved beyond innocent flirting. But they don't know that, they just know I'm in a relationship, so they probably think I'm safe. With one of them I do get the sense that she has been doing everything what is expected of her socially in her life to the point it's suffocating. And like I'm some kind of escapist fantasy for her. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 06:44 PM
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One advantage of working a female dominated field as a man is that you will be seen as more attractive and be flirted with, just because there aren't many other men there. I see myself as average, yet my female colleagues keep being flirty with me. Bizzare experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 06:25 PM
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But they give better blowjobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 08:32 PM
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Yeah I love this song. Playing it rn.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 08:28 PM
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No, unfortunately not. This is just a childhood memory.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 08:19 PM
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https://youtu.be/gTZLzm-CprY?is=VLRmhxOi4OvLkecj This song and driving through Scandinavian mountains.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 08:09 PM
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It was a coincidence we lived so closely together. I haven't been on dating apps since 2020. I think Reddit works better exactly because the main purpose is not dating, so you meet people more organically. Personally dating apps are very bad for my mental health, to me the experience is just inherently dehumanizing, I both feel dehumanized myself and like I'm dehumanizing others because people get turned into commodities. And there's a weird social game there where everyone has to become the sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 07:09 PM
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Tbh he didn't cheat. This is just rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 06:19 PM
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We met on Reddit, but not on this subreddit. 2 of the three girlfriends I have had in my life I met on Reddit lol. It's a good platform to find the introverted sapiosexuals, which for some reason is the type that is attracted to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 06:13 PM
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No, we were both writing comments related to gender issues on Reddit before we met. I thought the way she wrote was hot, and she thought the way I wrote was hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 06:03 PM
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My gf browses this sub lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 05:48 PM
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Arguing a dumb opinion is one thing, but constantly strawmanning in a conversation is something else. I find the former way easier to deal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 05:45 PM
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I'm glad you care. It's a dumb practice that needs to be banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 06:52 AM
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Same.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:09 PM
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https://youtu.be/XD6ASbQtKxw?is=ogrvctWsJCDOKWld Chopsticks you say?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 05:03 PM
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But providing economically is not the only way someone can be expected to provide tangible value. It’s not just about looks, the whole basis of performing feminine gender roles is that women are expected to have submissive, motherly/“moral” qualities. It’s the counterpart to what men are expected to perform. I agree with this, but there is something about the feminine gender role that makes you less dependent on external things to maintain your desirability. My angle is not that one is worse, or…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 02:36 PM
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I like when my partner is not a boring normie and doesn't obsess about arbitrary social rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 01:08 PM
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A good post that encourages traditional gender roles without having the self-awareness to realize it's doing so? "Men value women for who they are" was indeed always a ridiculous simplification. But obviously came from something real, which is that the value women have is more internal to themselves, at least in current society. That doesn't mean you're loved for who you are but that does mean you're under less social pressure to compete economically at least when it comes to finding a partner. …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 09:26 AM
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I mean assuming everything you said is true why would they not feel jealous and mad? It what you say is correct then that seems like a completely valid thing to be jealous and mad about.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 09:05 AM
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Well at least I got to eat focaccia for free at the wedding 🤷
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 08:24 PM
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I kinda like them, weirdly enough. That said the last wedding In my family I was on the couple ended up divorcing 2 months later lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 08:11 PM
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😂
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 07:57 PM
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Law is dickpill
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 06:55 PM
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My personality to people I like: ❤️🥰🥺🫂🌈💐 My music choice when feeling internal anger towards people who wronged me: https://youtu.be/LPTlvQ1Zet0?is=s_AYPenrK42IZzwu Ah the duality of man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 06:23 PM
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Fighting my urge to respond in a certain, now predictable manner
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 06:17 PM
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I think having enough conversations beforehand, and asking for something mostly on the second and third date, not necessarily the first. If the goal is to figure out agreeability and whether he will listen to you communicating your needs, I think that needs to be happen after you have already established some type of connection. A lot of these first filters seem more so a cope, like doing something for the sake of doing something, thinking you're learning a lot about who you are talking to when …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 05:55 PM
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This is not a good way to test whether a man is romantic, is my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 05:25 PM
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Ehh I think there are more effective ways of thinning the herd, more open-minded and fair ways as well. I know this is my personal opinion, but I think people should also be as fair as possible when judging people and this is not an example of that for me. For example when you take a step back, you can even look at anthropology to understand that the meaning behind gestures can vary wildy between different people. This means that you cannot just look at the gesture itself to decipher what it mea…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 05:21 PM
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Well to be clear I actually agree that these messages are red flags of themselves to, just because of the way they are phrased. I just mean that there's a genuine way to want to reserve flowers for when you know each other a bit better. And there's a good way to communicate that, not like in these messages. But if we are talking about a guy like that, I think you'd be pretty stupid to reject him because of that. Dating is often a dance of people trying to make themselves seem as good as possible…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 05:04 PM
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When you haven't talked for some time before? Less likely. Two type of men are being filtered out. The men who don't care and are low effort (this is what you want) But also the men who do care but who see romantic gestures as something serious that needs to be attached to genuine feelings and therefore don't want to do that before knowing your better (this is not what you want) More importantly two types of men are being selected for: Men who are desperate for any access towards you and who wil…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 04:54 PM
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Yes but if a man is romantic without knowing you that just doesn't mean as much? In fact that's regularly dangerous. Sorry I just disagree with your reasoning, filtering in this way makes it less likely you will find the best men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 04:46 PM
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I think that's an illusion because an even worse option gets selected for instead of being filtered out this way. An abusive dude can easily buy you flowers and do all the cool romantic gestures just to reel you in so he can show his true colours once your guard is down. In fact I think they are more likely to do things like this because it's how they get what they want, loveboming is well known. Someone who is more modest and slow going is more likely to be trustworthy imo. Romantic love is not…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 04:34 PM
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Intimate yes, but not necessarily more awkward. Like, there's 2 reasons to give flowers imo. One is for formal events, for example a coworker becoming a parent. And the other is for people who mean a lot to you, that are close to you. But a first date fits neither of those, it's to informal for reason 1 to apply and you don't know this person enough for reason 2.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 04:26 PM
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That's a pretty stupid way to have high standards and filtering through men though. Whether someone gives you flowers on the first date or not is not a good predictor of their quality as a partner. There are all kinds of reasons why a man might not want to do that, and being someone who doesn't care about you is just one of those reasons. It's perfectly possible for example to believe that the meaning of such a gesture is in the fact that you don't just do it for anyone, meaning you can't do it …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 04:24 PM
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Bro that's after the date not before you have even talked in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 04:19 PM
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Asking for them specifically on the first date just comes across a bit entitled. And maybe awkward? Well it depends on how long you have been talking I guess. If we have been talking for weeks I'd happily give flowers.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 04:06 PM
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Wholesome
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 04:03 PM
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There's a similar problem within the hostile sexism scale that is used in academia. There they ask questions like "women try to get power over men" or "women exaggerate sexual assaults" meanwhile the academics using this scale themselves often see no issue believing the same things with the genders reversed. Yes I know that society doesn't have to be perfectly symmetrical, but it's ridiculous how much heavy lifting the "it's different when done to them" does in these people's worldviews. It also…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 10:40 AM
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That's because they have all kinds of narratives that they tell themselves to continue to feel like the good ones in the story. Which is why a lot of people here become so frustrated. For example when men are discriminated against in STEM, that's to correct discrimination against women and therefore doesn't count. When they push for policies that discriminate against men who are victims of abuse or rape thats justified because "99% of rapists are male" or "well domestic violence is caused by pat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 10:35 AM
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Become a Buddhist monk
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 07:14 AM
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Well you're already fixing it by showing empathy to both men and women. The problem is that many people act like two things cannot be true at once; 1) women have valid frustrations about harassment and safety 2) men have valid frustrations about feeling shame for their identity because of how it is being talked about Often times people argue "well 1 is worse just get over it" but this ignores that these men who experience 2 are not the ones creating 1 so they don't have blame for 1 existing in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 08:27 PM

I mean maybe I'm confusing you with someone else but I thought you identified yourself as one.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 03:05 PM

Proof that misandrists create their own problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 02:57 PM

I will never understand people's need to police what other people do to decompress. How entitled and egocentric can someone be.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 02:14 PM

I agree with the core of what you're saying, but calling your partner fragile isn't exactly a smart way to have conflict
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 10:19 AM
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I think there's multiple reasons why men aren't loudly policing this this speaking from my own experience 1)A lot of times these men hide these things from other men. We don't see that part of them so there's nothing in our frame of vision to call out. I'm not gonna accuse someone I know without evidence. 2)These men don't listen as much to other men as women seem to think. I don't think calling them out actually changes that much. The men who do these things already have issues with their socia…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 06:35 AM
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I have never understood the idea of "invading something". It's the same idea as cultural appropriation but I think it is ridiculous. You do not own a culture or something to do, others are allowed to also do what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 06:15 AM
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The problem with this is that it confuses population level differences with individual treatment men receive Its all nice to claim men are less agreeable on average, this is correct but the difference isn't large. So there's still a large proportion of men that is highly agreeable. And these men don't suddenly get treated equally, an agreeable man might receive nicer treatment than a man that isn't, but it's still not as nice as what an equally agreeable woman would have received. I know this be…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 10:34 PM
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Real, introversion has superior aura
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 10:37 AM
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It's just as much misandry. Every form as sexism can be both seen as misogyny and misandry, but calling it misogyny removes the attention from the people who suffer the most from it in this case, which is men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:11 AM

Me when I use MSG in my cooking
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 05:08 PM

I had to Google that book but it looks super cool. I have a Seneca book laying here too, it's more philosophical but it's nice. And yes probably because in Dutch they are usually pronounced.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:55 PM

Haha! It is. Chinese is a very cool language. I have a book about Taoism by Alan Watts, and in it he basically admires the Chinese "alphabet" because they are literal drawings of the objects it refers to. I will add, her accent in English was cute. Hope you got that too! Can't imagine people won't like it. I have been told I have a French R and not at the same time, apparently I use it sometimes but not always.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:58 PM

Zut alors, c'est dommage! My mother tongue is Flemish (Belgian Dutch). What phrases do you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 01:42 PM

Oh boy. But now I wonder, do you actually speak Chinese?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 01:31 PM

This sounds like Chinese to me 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 01:25 PM
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https://preview.redd.it/eaxat09spvwg1.png?width=595&format=png&auto=webp&s=08b581a2f65f3ff384b57f5ca5ab69d9911eb757
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 05:51 AM
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This sounds like English to me
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 01:21 PM
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This sounds like Chinese to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 11:03 AM

In my experience women do care about it but just a little bit. They won't not date you because of your dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 05:57 PM

There's always a first
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 05:47 PM

An educational YouTube video right? RIGHT???
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 05:45 PM

Plethora of family crisis and two deaths among family. I'm sorry to hear. Was it close family? What makes you feel unloved? I have people who love me, but I don't feel like they understand some parts of me. I'm an intuitive person, I have a deep intuition about things. But I feel like they see that as biased or just pure emotion. I think it's far more scientific than that, but I don't know how to show or explain that to someone else. They don't have access to the data I have, the time series whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 03:29 PM
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I agree with your core point then but I disagree it doesn't cause systemic discrimination. For example the Duluth model was invented by a feminist. That feminist later realized her model was wrong which I have a lot of respect for, but she was then attacked by other feminists and the model continues to be used today even though it's scientifically problematic and sexist. The way academia studies and talks about domestic violence is scientifically problematic and sexist towards men. This then als…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 05:13 AM

Difficult why? Or do you not want to talk about it. What plants are you planting? I'm okay, things are kinda hard. Work is stressful, my grandmother will die soon, and I'm feeling kind of unloved by my loved ones at the moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 07:38 PM
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Omg you're back. How are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 06:08 PM
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A lot of MRAs just attack women and act like feminism is causing systemic misandry I agree they tunnelvision on feminism too much, but at the same time that's also just accurate that feminism causes systemic misandry. It's not the sole or main cause, but it still does cause that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 04:40 AM
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I understand, that said I think addressing the misinformation problem is kind of easier than completely removing rape and sexual exploitation from this world. A completely safe world is not realistic in my personal view, I understand that is not what people want to hear, but isn't it just how it is? Like, people who do things like that probably won't listen to the people that try to talk about it, and a lot of those people were abused themselves as children, so solving this problem is very compl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 07:57 PM
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But it all feels so lackluster and like you're just coping by telling yourself these small things matter. Like the lyric in this song, I feel like doesn't move the needle. But at least we have music to feel our own soul. https://youtu.be/AwnfjcDCCmE?si=NVmdlcRC6iaNwoqk
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 07:14 PM

Well it is done by a minority of men, so it's kind of just irrelevant? The question is an overall assessment, so yes thinking negatively about a whole gender overall isn't good.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 07:11 PM
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I think it's more so that others lose power by not being desired so compared to them you do have power. It means you don't have to wonder whether you're capable of being romantically loved, and it means you can advocate for your own needs in relationships better. You will be less desperate to prove to someone else that you're lovable, you won't bend over backwards because you know that even if you lose one person, you can still be with other people. I'm saying this in a way that this also applie…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 07:06 PM
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There’s a middle ground you can stay aware of injustice without emotionally absorbing everything or feeling personally responsible for solving it alone I guess. It's not easy though, my sense of justice is overdeveloped lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 07:02 PM

Low tier bait
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 06:51 PM
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she only likes it when it's hard and shows disgust for it when it's soft, that tells me that she sees the man more as a tool than as a full human being. I have never met a woman like that
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 06:11 PM
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https://youtu.be/BL7HudkGdPY?is=KWAw5h2IdDRITCQe Time to jam to this
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 02:07 PM
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They often go for the easiest target and most of the time women are, that's why it's gender based, that had they not been women they wouldn't have gone through that most likely Are you referring to physical strength differences? I do agree with where you are coming from, it is hard seeing unfair things in life and not being abel to do anything about it I used to feel the same way growing up in a non Western religious region and the best thing I did for my mental health is try avoiding things tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 01:42 PM
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I find that still debatable. But the core issue is this: there's a huge imbalance in the intellectual tradition when it comes to understanding misandry and gender-based issues that harm men. This feeds into politics and law. Me and the other guy are afraid because we are aware that it will turn out in a predictable manner because of that which means equality under the law will not be there. And we are all alone essentially, both conservatives and progressives throw us under the bus immediately. …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 01:26 PM
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It can be but it doesn't necessarily have to be in my opinion. Oftentimes people only abuse their romantic partners so if a man is straight it might mean he only abuses women. But it does not come from wanting to abuse women as a gender. For something to qualify as a hate crime you need to have evidence that they hate a gender, not specific people of that gender. And that also runs into issues because sometimes "hate" gets defined in a very loose manner. The hostile sexism scale for example is v…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 01:16 PM
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That doesn't make it a hate crime? That just makes it more likely that it was intentional, but it doesn't mean hatred of an identity was the reason for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 01:08 PM
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These kinds of laws are among the biggest gender related legal issues in the EU together with abortion laws. Both violate core EU principles.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 01:06 PM
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I disagree. People largely think it's ridiculous that men can be the victim of hate crimes while they assume a woman is one even when it's clearly not the case. The way hate crimes get defined is subjective and not at all consistent, the conclusion of this law is that men will be considered inferior victims regardless of whether that was the intent or whether people are even consciously aware of it. Things like this are the number one reason I can't call myself a feminist anymore. I'm for equali…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 01:02 PM
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when it is linked to gender-based motives or patterns The problem is who decides that. It's extremely common that gender-based motives get invented out of thin air, which just serves to rationalise the stronger emotional response people feel when a woman dies compared when a man dies.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:57 PM
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I don't think the power is "the same" as the power money gives you, but being desired by others does give some power that someone who is not doesn't have. That doesn't mean you want that power or that you care about it a lot. People can have power while they did nothing to get it and didn't even want to have it. When you're less desperate to get your needs fulfilled it does give you power compared to someone else. This is not unique to women, men, or even what that need is. This is just a core p…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:43 PM
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You have to balance not just how many people something affects, but the severity as well. Taking this as an isolated incident and ignoring other things that can contribute to feelings of guilt or frustration for men on the internet, I think the real world harm of 1000 men potentially raping people and coaching others to rape people does more damage than the misinformation on this news story. Maybe if you compare it to this specific news story only yeah, but if you compare it to the pattern of ne…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 12:15 PM
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But severity needs to be compared with frequency. Yes 1000 men doing that is far more severe, but it's also way less frequent and affects a way lower number of people than the misinformation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 10:37 AM
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It exists, but mainly in the form that jobs more often done by women are underpaid relative to their societal importance. This is not caused by a conspiracy against women, but because the price signals in capitalism are imperfect and positive and negative externalities are ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 10:32 AM
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Yeah but I also move through the world thinking "I need to be cautious around men" when I'm in public and "I need to be cautious around women" in private as I have been hurt multiple times. It seems to me like men are just less likely to feel fear and anxiety. And I say that as a man who is way more anxious than the average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 05:47 PM
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My hypothesis is two factors: The male gender role means looking afraid is frowned upon Men have more testosterone and therefore tolerate more risk. I'm aware the way this hormone works is more complex than this, but I think there's still some truth to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 04:47 PM
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Ok so why is it being said in your opinion? And why do men not say or do the same things then?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 04:39 PM
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“Women take precautions around men” isn’t the same as “men are dangerous” as a character judgment. One is about behaviour under risk, the other is a blanket statement. You keep treating those like they’re the same thing. My point is that this is rarely what gets said. The blanket statements are more common in my opinion. I almost never see someone saying "women take precautions around men" or a woman literally doing a precaution such as guarding her drink and men going "not all men" in response.…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 03:56 PM
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You’re trying to make this symmetrical, but it’s not. Why is it not? I'm not claiming it's perfectly symmetrical, I'm just not convinced it's asymmetrical enough to justify the way it gets framed? They’re responding to a specific kind of risk that actually affects how they move through the world. That’s why it’s gendered. Not because men don’t face risk, but because the pattern and context aren’t the same. Well it's not just about being different, it's about whether those differences are relevan…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 02:03 PM
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Changing the wording might soften the message, but it doesn’t remove the uncertainty or the risk, so it doesn’t change the behaviour. Changing the wording also just changes the content of the message. So I don't agree with this. I'd also argue that you can't collapse everything onto one thing. There's a difference between being cautious and talking negatively about the male gender. You’re focused on men feeling unfairly seen as a threat. Yes because of the damage that does to someone's mental he…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 12:27 PM
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Safety is also about feelings. That's not really a point imo. Women feeling unsafe is just as much caused by both real and imagined things as men feeling shame. All I'm saying is you're still responsible for how you talk about safety. The way safety has been talked about in the last few decades has clearly created shame in men while it has not meaningfully changed anything imo. This is not good. And men aren't to blame for being too fragile or whatever nonsensical excuse I see being made all the…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 10:33 PM

I barely know any men who hold both of those positions simultaneously.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 09:03 PM
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I think people of any identity have the responsibility to be moral and healthy citizens. That means that sometimes men and women should change. Not in a coercive way, but they themselves should want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 08:53 PM
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But if you drop the crucial "some" word you're contributing to a culture that creates shame in innocent men who did nothing wrong and women still have responsibility for that regardless of how valid their concerns about safety are. It's not the abusive men that suffer from being described negatively constantly, it's the most kind-hearted men who suffer from that. So I don't agree that saying not all men is useless, it's necessary because there's nothing good about creating shame in men who are i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 08:43 PM
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Both "not all men" and "not all women" are valid in my opinion. It's not hard at all to communicate in a more clear fashion than just saying "women do x" or "men do x" it's pretty basic shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 03:36 PM

There's different ways of judging someone. You can judge their beliefs and actions as they harm themselves and the people around them. But you can also judge them as people and I don't feel comfortable doing that. When I was a teenager I experienced a lot of bad luck that luckily got better later. But it could have always been worse as I also grew up with many privileges others don't have. I don't know if I would have turned out any different if I lived in their shoes. There's a lot of things, h…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 08:07 PM

I agree I think experiencing your first love is important for self development. It can be the most shitty relationship ever but that doesn't matter, the validation from the fact that someone was capable of loving you, no matter how flawed is an important step in development. That's why I don't feel comfortable judging incels because I still remember how much impact it had on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 07:42 PM
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Thanks. TIL I'm a cinnamoroll. Well at least when I'm not on Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 07:02 PM

Someone please explain this or I won't be able to sleep tonight.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 06:53 PM

Stellaris is based. I should play it again. Cosplaying as the galaxies moral police is fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 06:48 PM

What?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 06:46 PM

cinnamon rolls???
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 06:02 PM

In reality they just feel unlovable. Being loved romantically for the first time removes that and after that it doesn't really matter anymore what is provided.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 06:00 PM
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I wouldn't really enjoy having sex with someone who doesn't want it either. But often times it's less clear cut than that. I mean if my partner is sad, I'd probably have sex with them if that would make them feel better even if I don't really have much need for it myself. There's a big spectrum between "I absolutely want to have sex" and "I absolutely don't want to have sex". This is why this is genuinely confusing to me because it's so far removed from my own lived experiences? I just want to p…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 09:05 PM
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But if the partner sees crying and like "oh, ffs, i'll let you fuck me" - then it will be manipulation and coercion. But that's also their own responsibility?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 08:48 PM
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I understand the value behind the sentiment you're expressing. I don't really get the value of calling 95% of men rapists though. If you're consistent then you also have to call the majority of social interaction manipulation or coercion, but what does that achieve? Heck if someone starts crying because their partner rejects their intimacy for the 100th time in a row, are they a rapist in your eyes because the tears are automatically seen as manipulation? If the standards for being a rapist are …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 08:11 PM
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I think you're taking for granted how much of what you say is not "a truth" but your interpretation of it. You can word any survey question in such a vague way that you can get an outrageous outcome but it doesn't actually say much about society. Also the reality is that human relationships require mutual sacrifices. Sometimes you do something you don't really enjoy for someone you love. I don't think this should be romanticized, but it's just how it is no? No one wants to clean up vomit but we …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 07:59 PM
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Have they tried not being super religious and homophobic? I will never understand why other people are responsible for stories people make up themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 03:55 PM
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Yes. But it's not necessarily immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 03:33 PM
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Claiming that itself is also often a form of misandry imo because it's not accurate so why do people say it? Because they want to downplay it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 07:19 AM
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Yeah they don't know about sampling bias, survival bias, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 08:14 PM
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And the ability to understand statistics. Which many people don't have. And the thing is even the basic education on statistics you get in a science degree is just the tip of the whole iceberg that is statistics. I myself still don't understand a lot of things and I think I already understand more than most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 08:07 PM
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Ideally I agree, the problem is that it takes a lot of time and energy with no guarantee that the other person will engage in good faith. I used to do this sometimes here, but I stopped because it takes me hours to gather and discuss papers while the other person can just invent a mental gymnastic or just leave the convo. Then there's also the fact that sometimes you have analyzed papers years ago and you remember your conclusion but not every single detail of how you came to it and you don't wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 08:02 PM
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I interpret this meme more so about having awareness that one can lie with statistics and that studies aren't free from bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 07:55 PM
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I kinda agree with this meme tbh. The ultimate form of aura is having the intelligence to actually critique studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 07:54 PM
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You're not supposed to ask questions
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 07:53 PM
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Good chat, appreciate the discussion. Thanks. Likewise!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:55 PM
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Otherwise the term means whatever you want. Well the alternative is that the term means whatever the current status quo wants, and the status quo is not neutral. In fact it's usually the thing we are critiquing in the first place. I see myself as a progressive and scientific person, and because of that reason I also think my thoughts on how terms should be defined are generally better than those used by the status quo. Once you read a lot on science and philosophy you start to realize that there…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:09 PM
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You still have to show how it actually translates into laws, policies, or consistent patterns at scale. My impression is that those all align with that idea pretty much with maybe few exceptions (for example women are assigned more agency in childcare and nurturing tasks, and men are assigned less agency when it comes to controlling their own sex drive). Laws and policies seem to follow that pattern quite consistently. That’s where the other framework has more value. It doesn’t just say “this bi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 11:59 AM
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Yes, rights evolve. That doesn’t mean you can redefine them mid-argument to make a point. There still has to be a consistent standard, otherwise you can prove anything. But what's the alternative? Just sticking to the status quo even when you have a good reason to dislike it? The "you can prove anything" was somewhat my point that I was trying to make, the status quo definition is just as much an act of "proving something". It's not worth more than a minority definition imo just because it's use…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 11:42 AM
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Your “agency bias” idea is interesting, but right now it’s mostly describing patterns, not clearly isolating causes. That’s the issue. You’re saying “this is what it looks like,” not showing how it operates in a concrete, testable way. But this idea comes from psychological studies that consistently find this? So it is testable clearly. You can perfectly claim that the agency bias is the cause of the outcomes we see, of course you can still ask then "well what causes the agency bias" which is a …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 11:35 AM
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That doesn’t mean they’re arbitrary or that we can define them however we want in an argument. They still have structure and meaning, otherwise the term stops being useful. Rights changing and expanding has literally been possible because people dared to redefine them. And “ceteris paribus” is doing a lot of work there, because everything else isn’t equal. Rights and obligations exist across multiple domains, not just one. Highly depends on what country you're talking about. For example where I …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 05:55 AM
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You’re treating all interpretations as equally valid, and they’re not. Not all interpretations, but some are. I don't see the evidence for why yours is more valid. You can frame conscription as “men are disposable,” but that’s an interpretation. The actual policy is tied to a role, men as combatants, not a claim that men are lesser. That's rather bizarre considering there's plenty of evidence that people have less empathy for male suffering, feel less likely to help them, etc. You can easily obs…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 05:49 AM
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It’s not arbitrary though. There’s a difference between intent/bias and outcomes shaped by roles or history. You don’t prove “hostility” by guessing feelings, you look at patterns, laws, and norms. If something consistently restricts or targets a group because of their gender, that’s bias. That assumes that restriction is the only way hostility can be expressed and that restriction can only be done out of hostility, which is rather questionable considering how often restricting women's autonomy …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 10:20 PM
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Definitions are usually partly arbitrary and socially constructed. The history of rights is one where our conceptualisation of rights has gradually expanded over time. You can see it as a social innovation, a right only exists in the minds of human beings. The universe knows no rights. To make the world more progressive, expanding what we see as human rights is usually a good strategy. That's why I do not understand the value of your argument, it comes across as almost reactionary. Whether somet…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 10:11 PM
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That’s not symmetry, that’s just expanding the definition until it includes any harm men experience. The one you're using does the opposite imo. Which makes one wonder why? For something to be misandry or misogyny, it has to come from bias against that gender, not just be a negative outcome that affects them. Things like conscription or dangerous roles come from gender norms, not hostility toward men as a class. I don't understand how this is not completely subjective and something that anyone c…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 09:56 PM
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It's kinda funny how autistic people are described as rigidly following rules but neurotypicals themselves have these completely arbitrary social rules they treat as self-evident laws, not just for basic human interaction but for what concepts should mean. If the dictionary says so everyone apparently needs to follow the meaning there, even when the concept is arbitrary and has clearly changed over time. If you're concerned that one definition creates power imbalances you're told you're crazy an…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 09:02 PM
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You’re also treating misandry and misogyny like they’re symmetrical just because both words exist and can be graphed. They’re not. One has been baked into laws, institutions, and norms for a long time. The other mostly shows up as attitudes or rhetoric. Not the same scale, not the same impact. This just comes from how assymetrically people define these concepts. Misogyny often includes everything, while misandry gets defined in a far more narrow manner. This doesn't really say much about what ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 08:42 PM
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How is this not completely arbitrary? How does it not violate the right to life, the right to enter your own contracts (instead of slavery, the right to expression etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 08:34 PM
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Budapest needs to be liberated from this asshole
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 08:16 PM
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Being an adult is diabolical.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:16 PM
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Sweeping, inaccurate, negative generalization about women is misogynist. Thats not a “repercussion”. Thats just what the word means. Just as making sweeping negative generalizations about men is misandry. People push back because they don’t agree with your negative generalization, not because there is a taboo against making sweeping negative generalizations. But they don't push back equally? OP does have a point. There's some seriously unhinged papers out there in academia that write such things…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 09:58 AM
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OP mostly has a point when it comes to academia, way less when it comes to society as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 09:54 AM
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This is another example of a man on this subreddit pointing out something real but then self-owning with ridiculous examples. First of saying women tend to be cowards is not "truth" but moralizing. Women are more risk averse and this is a fact, but when you use the word coward you are not just saying that, you're expressing moral judgement about their risk aversion. This is not "truth" as being risk adverse can be both good and bad depending on the context. For example being risk adverse leads t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 09:41 AM
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You want a relationship, maintaining a relationship require 100x more effort than the beginning stages of dating, for men and for women If you are unhappy with the effort in the beginning stages, you will not be happy with the effort required to maintain that relationship, and the problems that can happen bcs of that, you don’t want them, the other person doesn’t want them I have had three relationships so far and I kinda disagree with this. One of those was abusive so was obviously taxing, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 09:18 AM
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I'm not sure I agree with this. Dating is far more exhausting because you have to prove yourself. Being in a relationship takes work, but it's also often enjoyable work, work that comes naturally, work that you have intrinsic motivation for. That often can't be said about taking pictures for your dating app, and being the best possible marketed version of yourself on dates. That shit can get exhausting really fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:33 AM
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Whenever I read things like this I keep wondering if it's satire. It's like watching Trump post on Truth Social. That's how mind boggling it is to think this is real..
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 02:23 PM
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realising you've overstepped a boundary and apologising is an act of kindness, my brother apologizing was an act of humility that showed his willingness to avoid a useless conflict. She didn't just cross a boundary, she said something mean and manipulative. Your brother also shouldn't have apologized as he did nothing wrong. Even so, the consequences of misogyny are FAR WORSE than those of misandry, misandry can result in the hurt feelings of an innocent man and in a few cases, in him being excl…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 10:20 PM
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We need pictures
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 04:22 PM

I think I might agree with you if you limit your criticism to NEOLIBERAL class-blind feminists It's kind of hard to identify this imo. Like are feminists in the United Nations all neoliberals? Or the feminists who push for Duluth like models of domestic violence? Or the feminists of NOW? Or the feminists academics that use shady research practices? I do think that countries that are more neoliberal have more extremists and polarisation, such as can be seen in the US, the UK and Australia and it …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 03:52 PM

However, I believe that many women do that as a reaction to the horrible red-pill ideology that dismisses the opinion of a person only because she's a woman. Well the exact same thing is true for the people who end up in that ideology in the first place. It's a reaction to a combination of conservatism that is still lingering everywhere in society that makes men feel stuck in their gender roles, increasing wealth inequality and the inadequate response to this by progressives, often using the mal…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 10:05 AM
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You can build a framework around suffering, empathy, neglect, all that. But it’s answering a different question. One is about who’s constrained, the other is about who’s ignored. Both matter, but they’re not interchangeable. And on oppression being political, I partly agree. People do use it that way. That just means you use it more carefully, not that the definition itself is useless. That would work in an ideal world but unfortunately I'm more cynical about the state of how current things are.…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 09:22 PM
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I understand the value of making that distinction. There are relevant differences that should be discussed between those two things. At the same time I don't think I believe that strongly in the concept of "choices". And I believe social norms can be very oppressive in their own right.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 09:15 PM
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Yes, everyone has some, but the question is who is systematically limited. That shows up in concrete ways like laws, representation, and control over major life decisions. It’s not just “differences exist,” it’s patterns of constraint. Can't you say the exact same thing is true for more suffering related things? Such as people caring about it or not, whether you're seen as disposable and neglected? The disposability of men is just as systemic of a pattern in my eyes as the restriction of autonom…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 09:06 PM
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Behavior and norms are shaped by the same system. The idea that formal restrictions are more important than informal ones is also another assumption that gets made based on vibes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 08:08 PM
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If oppression just means “suffering,” the term becomes useless because everyone suffers. That’s why it’s tied to power and autonomy, it isolates structural constraints I don't understand the logic. Everyone also experiences power and autonomy and differences in those things between people. Why do those terms then not become useless? And suffering and power affect eachother. If people care less about my suffering because I'm male, that could be argued to be a way of having less power as I'm less …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 08:05 PM
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You could argue all of these are related to the male gender role, receiving less empathy, ineffective healthcare (particularly mental healthcare), problematic beliefs about men's emotions and their purpose, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 07:47 PM
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t’s measured with multiple indicators tied to power and autonomy, things like legal rights, political representation, income, exposure to violence, and control over personal decisions. No single metric defines it. And why should these things be included, but life expectancy should not be? Why is oppression = lack of autonomy/power and not = suffering, lack of support, lack of empathy? This is really not obvious at all. And it’s not “who decides” in a random sense. These are standard measures use…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 07:45 PM

I have read a lot of feminist literature and that question is not properly answered in those books and texts. Rather assumptions are made about all the questions I asked, and often they are treated as self-evident without elaboration. I'm an academic, so I think not transparantly discussing the assumptions one makes is problematic, no matter what field we are talking about. So when you say "men have more power than their female equivalents" what is the evidence for this that you are using? How d…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 06:25 PM
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So how is oppression is measured? and maybe more importantly, who decides how it should be measured?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 06:16 PM
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You can argue the exact same thing for many metrics that get used as a measure of oppression for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 06:15 PM
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Who decides how power gets measured, which type of power is stronger than another type of power, what should be included in an analysis of power and what shouldn't? Y'all always talk about power but it sounds more like an activism slogan than a deep analysis of what power actually is and how we should measure it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 06:11 PM
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This is something you experience disproportionately when you're socialised as male..
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 03:32 PM

How are you still alive
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 06:42 PM
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Yeah don't do it. BPD is too high of a risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 03:19 PM
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Luckily lavender is climate change proof
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 08:01 PM
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Ok thanks for this advice
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 06:04 PM
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It's so interesting how people admire the people from the past for standing up against injustices but support the injustices in the present or are completely blind to them. Most people never stand on the side of actual ethics or deep intellectual understanding. All they care about is their own group and saying socially desirable things even when they make no rational sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 05:41 PM
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I mean people who fight for women's rights, and feminists more broadly speaking, very often do claim women have it worse, and even when they don't speak it out literally it's revealed through their claims and actions that they do believe that. Can we stop pretending like men are the main ones who have started this zero sum approach towards gender issues? They are responding to a movement led by women who already did that in the first place. It's so bizzare to me that anytime this topic comes up …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 04:24 PM
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I score fairly strongly introverted on MBTI, but I also score close to 100 on openness so maybe that compensates. I struggle more with not interacting with loved ones for a long time though. Maybe not individually for each person, but when I solo travelled for 2 weeks I started to go a bit insane from not talking to anyone for that long. I even started talking to myself which was weird. And yeah true, but sometimes life already does that for you, you can meet people in University. But I guess pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 09:33 PM
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There's more life than just not being alone tbh. Once you have your close circle those other things matter more imo. Idk I like being an introvert, there's something liberating about being underestimated too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 09:24 PM
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One of my coworkers has been kinda flirty with me. So we talked a enough so I know she's intelligent, but then I saw her post something about her astrology sign on insta and my brain couldn't process the fact that this was the same person lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 09:19 PM
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I think there's a lot of misunderstanding about the term introvert. Including people who self describe themselves as one. Ultimately it's about how you process information and what you gain energy from. Not about how socially competent you are. Of course what you say is true. Introverts are less likely to leave the house. But maybe they just need a smaller circle of deeper friendships.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 09:16 PM
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It also comes with massive advantages. Such as intellectual ability, introspection, deep insights, strategic thinking, integrity, economic planning, etc. Our society needs these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 09:05 PM
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This is my least reasonable ick. I have to actually tell myself not to judge someone who talks about astrology.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 09:01 PM
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Yeah I'm questioning if this strategy is actually easier. And I'm tired of introverts being described as socially incompetent 🤷
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 08:57 PM
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But what if you want friends who are also introverted? Idk I struggle to relate to this point made over again here about social skills. Maybe I take my own social skills for granted but it just doesn't seem that important to me. I'm introverted and I don't really struggle that much to make people like me. I still don't like large groups of people or speaking too much. Don't you think Americans constantly confuse being introverted with being socially anxious? I'm at a four person desk at work, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 08:48 PM
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Sex can be a mutually beneficial shared activity. Trying to gain money from someone can't be.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 08:37 PM
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This what you get when you put a demented pedophile as the leader of the most powerful country in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 07:21 PM
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This assumes that introverts want to be around extroverts. I definitely often don't want to be lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 06:56 PM
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This doesn't make sense. Male loneliness is also caused by patriarchy, patriarchy is not a conscious, living being, and declining birth rates can be mainly explained by urbanisation, not the messages given to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 03:35 PM
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I don't see facts, just an emotional post that simplifies a complex reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 03:33 PM
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I think this kind of naive. Just because something is a dating preference doesn't mean homophobia can't be the root of that preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 01:55 PM
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In our society everything that can't be economically quantified gets undervalued. This is not unique to things women do, but it affects them disproportionately because more of the labour they do more often is hard to quantify. Being a mother and running the household adds value that is hard to quantify in numbers. This is why it is hard to estimate what is fair; how much of their male partner's earnings was made possible by her labour? Giving her half of the wealth is only a guess of what is fai…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:05 AM
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Just because you can't quantify it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And when the law only addresses the financial side, it makes sense to me that men perceive it as unjust, because it kinda is unjust, there's just no good way to even make it just. So the solution is to abolish traditional relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 07:07 AM
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I'm not a fan of traditional gender roles, but the problem here is also that being the stay at home parent also comes with advantages that can't be compensated for in the case of divorce. You are in a more financially vulnerable position as the stay at home parent, but you also have a stronger emotional connection with your kids and the experience needed to care for them. During a divorce only the financial vulnerability of the stay at home parent gets addressed, but not the emotional vulnerabil…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 06:59 AM
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This topic is filled with selection biases on all sides. Firstly people believe men are worse parents than women on average and care less about their kids. Of course part of this is cultural, but it's also a selection bias because women happen to have more agency over whether they become parents or not. This means that more men than women will be forced into parenthood, so a bigger fraction of women will have chosen to be a parent, which means they will also be more committed parents. It's selec…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 06:44 AM

Meh some people who don't find certain things interesting are just themselves boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 06:16 AM

Who is it? Do tell
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 08:13 PM

TIL I'm a betrayer
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 07:34 PM

What makes one a boring conversationalist?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 07:33 PM

Depth of conversation hinges more on the specific person you’re talking with than the setting of dates. Do you think that is more important than meeting physically?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 07:24 PM

I guess some men have a trustworthy vibe
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 06:21 PM
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Touché
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 03:42 PM
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Rude
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 03:18 PM
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Yes, or course 🤗
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 02:01 PM
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No one has hugged me yet today. Underprivileged male oppression.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 01:57 PM
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When a woman acts like a boss, that’s not congruent with taking loads down the throat and to the face. Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 05:17 AM
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The global economy is cooked for real. Starting with Asia outside of China.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 09:54 PM
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Yeah it's definitely a big part of religion. You can see it in the older generations a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 05:22 PM
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This is why I keep telling you I don't like this cultural idea of "the virtue of hard work". It's a type of morality that glorifies suffering for the sake of it even when better and easier solutions exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:40 PM
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I personally don’t see WHY we should even keep the possibility at the top of the possibility list (which is what you seem to be doing honestly) when there is no evidence for it. Just seems biased to me. I'm just wanting to avoid harm. If you assume any disparity in outcome needs to be corrected, it's almost certain you will cause harm somewhere. Besides, clearly people only care about correcting such disparities when they favour men, women outnumber men in universities as a whole, but that's not…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:28 PM
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What if you consider it as a possibility, not a hard proven fact? Is it still sexist then? Also do you think this socialisation needs to be corrected? For example if a woman likes cooking, does she need to stop doing that because maybe it's the result of how she was socialised? How do we engage with this then? There is no clear or sufficient evidence that brain anatomy or genes deterministically explain differences in such interests. Imo there's also no clear evidence that socialisation explains…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 03:22 PM
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It’s not THAT difficult to get a degree in a STEM field… I mean sure people having university degrees are already outliers within the general population but almost half of university degrees are STEM field degrees? There are women graduating successfully in STEM fields all the time. I feel like you’re treating it as needing exceptionally skills… Not everyone graduating is going to do a PhD and have a further academic career. Well STEM has different definitions based on who you ask. Usually the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 02:57 PM
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If you want to win a Nobel prize maybe. To just study STEM in university it makes no difference, like I said under the intersection of the two Gaussian curves is an equal amount of people… And if you move toward the left of the intersection there are even more and more women compared to men… So your conclusion doesn’t follow from what statistical variance means? Unless you don’t understand it? Your point only applies to extreme outliers. That depends on the exact distribution and what is require…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 01:45 PM
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Having an exceptionally high IQ is a bigger benefit in STEM subjects. Of course it depends on how high your IQ should actually be to graduate, which probably isn't that high depending on the specific field. It's not obvious to me that the variance would have no impact when it comes to finding employment. I don't think intelligence itself as measured in IQ is as much of an impact as the differing interests of men and women and I also think that it has more to do with men having better spatial int…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 10:09 AM
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But that’s not the same as saying the framework itself is 100% constructionist or denies biology? The point I’m making is simpler: even if there are underlying biological differences, that still doesn’t explain how you get from differences in distribution to rigid social roles and institutions? Not inherently so, but I do think it has a bias to center nurture over nature. Now obviously in reality you can't really divide those two things easily. Imo the fact that this is such a big debate in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 09:34 AM
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I’ve yet to meet a feminist who thinks patriarchy happened purely “random”… I don’t really understand how you think feminists see the “construction of patriarchy”? Most commonly I observe people who do the following: 1) "Men are just evil and chose to oppress women" which is biological essentialism without explicitly naming it as such 2)"Men are taught to oppress women creating patriarchy" which is circular and not an actual explanation of how patriarchy developed 3) just silence about this topi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 08:59 AM
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I haven’t really heard anyone make a 100% pure constructionist argument anyway. I think what feminists usually mean is that biological differences get amplified through patriarchy Aren't you reading too much of your own thinking into other feminists? My experience both online and in the social science departments is that biology is considered a taboo subject when discussing gender, with the only exceptions being the fact that men are more muscular and that women can get pregnant. Obviously I don…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 08:21 AM
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I don't see why his claim contradicts the things you're saying. There are studies that found IQ distribution differences between the genders. So if these studies are correct then what he is claiming is correct even if you can question the extent and the conclusion he takes from it. That IQ distribution itself is a separate thing from how genetic traits are inherited.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 08:15 PM
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But the claim is not "most men are highly intelligent or highly unintelligent", it's "of those highly intelligent or highly unintelligent, more of them are male". I think there's a confusion coming from the difference between the word variety and variance in a scientific sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 08:01 PM
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But this is about the population at large. Not about variety within an individual. It's true that the male variability hypothesis is about multiple things and not just intelligence. But if intelligence is a part of it, then the claim by OP that men will be disproportionally represented more in the high intelligence and the low intelligence brackets is correct. It doesn't mean they will fully dominate them, but it means one will find more men there than women. Of course this hinges on this hypoth…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 07:39 PM
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What OP is saying is that men are lumped into the smartest people and stupidest people And thats not how variety works Why is it not how variety works? How is what he said wrong if the underlying claim of higher variability in intelligence is correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 07:27 PM

I'm doing a PhD and I feel like I'm slowly dying inside.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 04:48 PM

You can also just not care and find a woman who doesn't care about that. There's plenty of them around.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 04:47 PM

Gravity is just fascinating
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 02:32 PM
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That makes zero sense. If someone is allowed to react to a boundary in any way, then someone else is also allowed to react to their reaction to their boundary.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 06:59 AM

Just listened to my girlfriend sneeze on a call for an hour. The emotional labour is unbearable.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 09:03 PM
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Top-level comments to Q4X posts should only be made by “X.” Please check the post flair and repost your comment under the automod if you wish. Top-level comments to Debate posts should clearly challenge or counter the premise of the OP. Please check the post flair and repost your comment under the automod if you wish.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 04:25 PM
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It's a special kind of annoyance at work to be given advice to do x only to hear "why did you do x, oh no I think you shouldn't have done that" a few weeks later by the same person who gave you the advice to do x in the first place. This has happened to me like 3 times in the last month and I have no clue what the socially appropriate response to this is. I'm afraid my facial expressions are showing my confusion and annoyance a bit too clearly. Also responsibilities keep accumulating on me. Fml …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 08:01 PM
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Yeah, being a simp has a more narrow motivation in wanting to have female validation. But there's also just people who ideologically believe this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:51 PM
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You mean filled with people who want to downplay everything men do and exaggerate everything that women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:29 PM
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It's almost as if male and female suffering both exist and don't contradict each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 10:57 AM
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That explains why people who are single do it. But it doesn't explain why people who are in a relationship do it, it seems to me that in that case it is a person being blinded by their own privilege. Like a rich dude saying "money is not that important".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 09:27 AM
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Oh no. Anyway...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:40 PM
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Very valid reply. But then we should also acknowledge that love and sex are important to most human beings instead of scoffing at people who fail to experience it. Else all of us wouldn't be willing to take such risks to get it. There's something so bizzare about people who try to downplay it as something completely casual and optional as if the desire for love is not a core aspect of the human condition. I will never understand how people like this can still take themselves seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 04:16 PM
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I need to be in an old hotel lobby staring out of the window, mountains in the distance. Strong alcoholic drink in my hand, sun setting, my girlfriend with her head on my shoulder. Staring into the distance with an empty expression. Hating and loving my own mortality. Every memory once made will one day turn into nothingness, peace and anxiety, relief and worry, the joy of forgetting and the tragedy of being forgotten. The duality of man. This is what they call philosophy maxing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:12 PM
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The point you meantioned about asymmetries in how perceptions are treated socially is very interesting. But then again: don’t we all perceive it is our own perception that is at risk of dismissal? So whose perception about the perceptions is the right perception? It should always be questioned obviously because of the human tendency to frame their own problems as the most important, but I don't think that in this case it is just about the fact that it is my own perception. Take DEI for example. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/26 08:25 PM
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It's true that perception of a thing or phenomenon is always the driver of behaviour in response to that thing or phenomenon , rather than just the object/pattern that is being observed itself. Now obviously, perception is usually not completely independent from what that thing actually is, sometimes someone's perception is accurate, sometimes someone's perception is inaccurate and more often someone's perception is flawed, existing somewhere on the spectrum between "completely accurate" and "co…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/26 07:33 PM
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I'm fine with all of these. What I'm not fine with is lying about it, or when the ex is abuse and they keep going back to them anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 06:27 PM
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Interesting to see these cultural differences. Here I think it's more likely to mean "you overdid your make-up" in my experience. I'm sure you looked lovely though. You probably wouldn't get that backhanded insult if you lived here 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 03:53 PM
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Choose better is kinda cringe advice imo because it's so self-evident. I think all of this just is just kind of symptomatic of how much transactional mindsets have increased with the invention of dating apps and social media. The problem is people attach their worth to these kind of rituals or gestures rather than focusing on just getting to know someone and doing nice things for someone you like.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 02:46 PM
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Why is looking like a doll a compliment in Amerika? I think when people say that here in Europe it's more likely to be derogatory or something lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 01:31 PM
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True, I think OP is referring to an imbalance in those things though. I wouldn't say it's the default, but it's not uncommon either to hear these ideas that men should mainly do those things for women but not in reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:58 PM
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But sometimes life happens. Sometimes two people can be exhausted. It doesn't mean they don't love each other anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:54 PM
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I can relate to this
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:50 PM
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So does that mean you also see women as mainly responsible for creating patriarchy or is that natural conclusion of your reasoning inconvenient?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 03:22 PM
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I have this on my legs too. Even just sitting with my leg pressured against the desk or something and I have a bruise. Even though I feel zero pain
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 03:17 PM
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How much experience do you actually have? I'm hardly a chad, but in my experience women become huge freaks when they feel safe with you. So I don't buy this idea that hookup material guys are having this amazing sex that normal guys can't experience. It doesn't align with my own feelings either, sex feels way better the more you love someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 06:14 PM
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That's a raven
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:36 PM

This used to be one of my favourite graphs in physics lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 07:29 PM

Way too much effort for not enough reward. I have other things to do such as doing science and reading books.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 07:20 PM

Myron the true alpha man.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 07:19 PM

I have so much work to do but I can barely do anything. I feel constantly anxious and sad, I can't get anything done.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 06:24 PM

Yeah that makes sense. Even just the labour required for healthy communication, which you could have used for something else if you were single.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 04:09 PM

Yeah but then you don't have to sacrifice that freedom.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 04:06 PM

You can also be poly though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 04:00 PM
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Do you feel like being poly makes you more attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 09:48 AM
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Wtf that's awful. I'm sorry you had to deal with that
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 09:17 AM
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Such a simp 😒
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 10:31 PM
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He must be worth it for you to willingly sit through that. No ick?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 09:56 PM
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Yeah poor fella having to watch that raw meat.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 09:48 PM
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What's wrong with you...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 09:36 PM

being the dominant one is just more exhausting regardless of your gender
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 07:53 PM

I guess its either a guy who's so stressed his brain stopped functioning, or a guy who's really too self-centered to be healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 05:30 PM

Myron, more like MORON
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 05:16 PM

I'm always surprised men like that exist. I always do the exact opposite, I prefer to listen more and ask questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 05:15 PM

It will have some effect no matter what, but it will more meaningfully flip your results if you're average. If you're really ugly, it might not be enough to change a lot, and if you're really good looking, you will already get interest anyway. But if you're average, it can make a big impact.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 05:13 PM

Emotional intelligence maxing actually works if you're average looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 03:00 PM
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I'm also a Belgian so that makes two of us already
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 07:28 PM
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Belgian lovers are the best are they not
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 06:45 PM
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I don't eat these lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 06:41 PM

Extremely cringe
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 10:08 PM
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On the lmwa and men's rights subreddits that happens from time to time. And they are lumped in with the manosphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 10:01 PM
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Imperfect aggregation does not mean comparative analysis is meaningless. Researched still base themselves on indicators such as violence exposure, mortality, political representation, economic autonomy, legal rights… Say what you want but most world leaders are still male. Most gendered murders still end in men killing women. Even when you factor in race, poverty… and other confounders, there still are gendered differences. None of that addresses what I said. Even with finite resources the step …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 09:57 PM
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So you’re playing a “who introduced the zero-sums-game first” game instead of reflecting on if the zero sums framing is helpful and correct? I'm describing why men feel jealous. It's an understandable feeling given the context that feminists have helped create. Saying one group faces worse outcomes overall is a descriptive claim about patterns in data. It only becomes zero-sum if the proposed solutions require taking resources from the other group. That’s the level you’re operating on. Yeah the …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 09:38 PM
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Viewing women as cognitively inferior is an extremely sexist view. I know it’s linked to infantilisation, but everyone should fight these sort of -isms inside (sexism, racism, ableism). I do, as I said previously. I'm just saying not even the best effort can fully compensate for this systemic problem. So they see it as a zero sums game. How surprising. No they respond to someone else's zero sum framing. You continue to always put the responsibility for this away from feminists and I really don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 09:05 PM
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So yes, feminists experience damage too. Yeah, but not as much. I won’t be led by being liked, put it on my gravestone. Yes because your personality type is also like that. Children, animals, they are all equal to us. Equal in value, not in cognitive capacity or as "agent". Men never experienced such institutional sexism, and they’re still jealous it seems? Like they want to be the victim too? Why? They experience plenty of their own kinds of institutional sexism. They are jealous because too ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 08:50 PM
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Still your agency, your choice. Yes? That doesn't change systemic factors. You’re seeing the world only through your own eyes. The patterns we see are influenced by our own perceptions. Yeah, but that doesn't mean patterns can't exist independently from our perceptions. Feminists won’t let themselves be guided by if they’re being liked. Neither should you. It’s not the best thing to be led by. This is also because a significant portion of men are more forgiving on that front. Men on average are …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 08:29 PM
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So it’s your choice. A constrained choice, where I argue those constraints should not exist and are created by sexism. So you admit it’s subjective No I admit I can be wrong and mislead. I still think it refers to a real, observable pattern. But you just admitted you did these things by your own choice, it’s not an expectation, you subjectively experience it as such, but you might also be misreading. I choose to fulfill the expectation because the consequences are not worth going against it some…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 07:49 PM
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Do women really ask this or do you just do this by default on your own? A mix of both. When you don't do it's more likely that your peace will be disturbed than if you don't do it for men. I see you consistently push back on these things. I only really do that online for the most part. Do you? What if you don’t agree with that you were wrong when they feel like you were wrong. Do you really say this? Not always but yes. Because I don't want to fight for hours or be seen as a prideful or arrogant…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 07:17 PM
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Being extra diplomatic to not hurt their feelings. Sometimes just keeping a thought to myself and staying silent. Validating them before giving advice. Not pushing back when they see their own gender as the main victim of life and are ignorant to what being a man is like. Being the first to say "I was wrong in this way" when there is conflict. Going along with the idea that conflicts are 50/50 and that repair should also be 50/50 to appeal to their desire for harmony even when I don't agree with…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 05:45 PM
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It's both, depending on how you define it. It also reinforces eachother. I even feel this within myself. Every single time I'm forced to emotionally coddle women more than men, I have to actively fight my own mind from seeing myself "above them". This is how sexism constantly gets reproduced but people don't understand this. The only way to make men less hostile sexist to women is by also allowing them to become less benevolently sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 07:45 PM
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Things like having to be more considerate to the emotions of women compared to men, assigning men more agency, apologizing the most, ... Basically infantilizing women. A lot of people who claim to hate this still get mad when you don't do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 07:27 PM
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OP's argument is really weak. That said, I think the title of his post is correct. He just argued his point very poorly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 07:22 PM
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Yeah I'm not seeing how it cannot fulfill those 3 criteria and how it cannot have structure.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:52 PM
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How is a herd mentality separate from an ideology?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:40 PM
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How can something that is the result of a shared activity ever be 100% one party's fault in a general sense? That makes no sense at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 03:39 PM
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The majority of blue pill beliefs are inverse red pill talking points brought up by the redpill to create an opposition, the term did not exist until the redpill called everyone who leaned slightly from their idea of ‘reality’ blue pill, and people only ever use blue pill to either identify themselves to signify that they loudly oppose the redpill, as a form of mockery, or they might just flat out not know any better and have come from a redpill background. Can a reaction to an ideology not be a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 09:27 AM

I mean I fully agree that redpillers overly emphasize looks and status. It's true that other things matter a lot as well, such as humor. But the performance thing comes from the imbalance in pickiness. Like I said you can do something about this as a man, but it won't fully go away either. As a man who was undesirable than became more desirable over time I can relate to the feelings these men are expressing. It does get disheartening sometimes when you feel that you're performing rather than con…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 05:22 PM

I think they are upset that women don't need to be funny in the same way. It's just not fun when everything you do gets reduced to a performance. But men also have agency over this, you shouldn't turn it into a performance. I have empathy for the feeling, but you can do something to feel better about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 05:15 PM
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it's like saying that i you need to prove that god exist as much as i need to prove that it isn't. It's not, because God is an unobservable entity. That's not the same thing as being an ideology or not. But anyway, ideology is a set of ideas, and i did show that blue pill didn't follow any specific set. If you think that it's not enough - the burden of proof comes to you. But what kind of proof? When you're analysing convergence or diversity of thought there's no obvious cut-off point where some…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 11:45 AM
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I disagree with this heuristic on a fundamental philosophical level. I think I need to prove that just as much as you need to prove that it isn't. It is more productive when proof is given for both sides. That said in this case I'm not sure how it can be proven, just because the concept "ideology" is so flexible. There is no math formula that can be used here, it is subjective. That's why it's more useful to talk about what it is, rather than to prove labels.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 11:28 AM
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Your second argument is the most questionable one. Within an ideology there will still be disagreements among those that follow it. The question is how correlated or similar do peoples belief systems need to be in order to be called an ideology or not, and how arbitrary and morally coded their beliefs are. For example most people believe the earth is round but that's not really ideological, that's just an observable fact. I think it's true there is significant disagreement within blue pillers bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 10:46 AM
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I mean this checks out with my lived experience. Every intelligent woman I have ever gotten to know underestimates their own intelligence and each time I have to remind them they are doing it. As a man I'm not really insecure about my intellectual capabilities, more so about my intentions being read more maliciously than they are. Women have to deal with people assuming they are more incompetent than they are, men have to deal with people assuming they are more malicious/dangerous than they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 08:43 AM
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If your only goal is to have sex then being a jerk helps. If your goal is to achieve something more than that, it's a terrible strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 06:09 PM
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"you would look even hotter with this haircut"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 06:01 PM
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I agree, that guy did the right thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 12:04 PM
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Spain, Korea, Japan if I remember correctly. Might be more that I don't know about.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 10:35 PM
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Not in every place no, but almost no one even argues for men, including men themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 10:34 PM
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In some countries and in many more it is debated. I don't think they should just endure it 🤷
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 10:33 PM
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But people argue women should get extra sick days for example. I don't mind this, but it's interesting how people just seem to accept men die earlier. For example the UN gender equality index considers men dying 5 years earlier "gender neutral" lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 10:09 PM
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My point is not that there is no biological explanation but rather that it is overplayed as an explanation. Social factors contribute a lot as well, but this is ignored. Furthermore, it's bizarre how this is not seen as a problem to fix just because there are biological origins. Almost no one sees periods and pregnancy as things that women should just endure, we try to make it less painful and dangerous as a society. But the gap in life expectancy is seen as an immutable reality by many, which s…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 08:21 PM
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You're cool, I trust you. Unfortunately I don't trust many others.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 07:17 PM
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It's true in some aspects and not in others. The thing is, there are some aspects where women should get more funding because they are disproportionately harmed or because of historical injustices. But I don't believe this is a good explanation for why men's issues get less attention. Instead I believe it comes from the fact that people have less empathy for men. One big reason why I can't call myself a feminist is that too many of them refuse to accept this reality and always try to frame every…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 05:26 PM
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Government funded research especially disproportionately goes towards women's issues for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 05:13 PM
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Well those are not the only spending programs.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 04:41 PM
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I agree that it is wrong. That's said there's something morally uncomfortable about how government money disproportionately goes towards women, even though men mainly pay for it. At least in my opinion. It's not really unsurprising that this gets turning into populist narratives.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 04:29 PM
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Saying women pay less taxes is not the same as saying they don't pay taxes. Not that I agree with how the argument is usually used, as it's a logical consequence of doing more unpaid or underpaid labour, but the argument usually is not that they don't pay taxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 04:20 PM
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Scientific research does not show that at all. In fact that's more true for women than for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 04:05 PM
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So many people give such boring and useless presentations at work. Jesus Christ man, what a waste of my time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 09:30 AM
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I would see it as a green flag. And having it would be a neutral, because so many people have it. But not having it is unique. It shows me someone doesn't just follow any trend and does what they themselves want. And it shows me they aren't desperate for random attention. That's attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 06:27 PM

In my experience there are plenty of women who do care about personality first. I'm hardly a chad physically speaking, but I have had multiple women interested in me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 06:29 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 08:29 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 08:28 PM
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Already found some like that 😉
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 03:23 PM
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Variety is the spice of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 02:55 PM
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I agree that's the intention, but it ends up unintentionally being misandrist. guess food sharing is an option but not many people are into that kinda of thing. I noticed people need to be gently introduced into food sharing generally speaking. Maybe with the right kind of pie it can be enjoyable. Do you like pie? Food sharing is nice until there's too many people. I like some pies and really dislike others.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 02:52 PM
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It increases the likelihood, but it's not a guaranteed outcome. It's perfectly possible to have options and still treat women well. But yeah I agree it's kind of a self-own and men being misandrist to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 12:12 PM

Just put an age limit at this point. All these senile men are incompetent as fuck. Although Biden actually did a decent job exactly because of how senile he was; he was just a pawn for the council of decision makers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 11:50 AM

Yeah I hate how irrational it made me behave. Sometimes it still shows up a little bit and then a few hours later I have to apologize for overreacting 🙄 it's so annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 08:15 AM

It's especially depressing because an otherwise kind and decent person can end up in this loop because of having PTSD from trauma. Of course other people don't have to tolerate abusive behavior, but as someone who had PTSD before I have a lot of empathy for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 08:02 AM

This is actually studied in psychology. People who are hostile receive hostile responses and then get stuck in a loop where they become more and more hostile. I forgot the exact term for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 07:53 AM
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We had fun. No fights, many good conversations.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 08:49 PM
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I impressed her with my Reddit comments lmao. But I took this one on the trip: https://preview.redd.it/a6py4w1in3mg1.jpeg?width=1365&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=68318ead28da75d4b884b4786a880953adb25f0d
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 08:47 PM
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Reddit. Our first date was a 4 day vacation in the UK lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 08:32 PM

Did you run into challenges at first?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 05:18 PM

How did you start being poly?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 05:11 PM

Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 04:56 PM

So you're to blame for having a bad doctor?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 04:02 PM
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That's the sad reality of the polarized nature of gender discourse at the moment. Everyone has responsibility in perpetuating this. But at the same time no one has, as it's a systematic problem. It's not your fault they respond in this way, but it's not really their fault they respond in this way either. When every conversation has a good chance of turning into a "this gender is better or worse" type of convo rather than a "this is how biases work so we can address them" you end up with people r…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 03:12 PM
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well, you're one of a few men who think so, so i guess there is a reason to argue to show that it is true, at least for me. Yeah that's fair, I just meant I won't argue against something that's obvious to observe. Doesn't really change my point. What's your ultimate point? i can understand your point, but it's usually still brings out that effect. It can in specific situations just like it can bring out the exact opposite in other specific situations. Personally I don't think it matters that muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 02:43 PM
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The competency bias is a real thing, there's no reason to argue with that as it's obviously true. But it's also perpetuated by women themselves, so is that in group bias or just general societal bias? Being competent is also not the same as being wonderful. Being deemed more competent actually sometimes causes the opposite because if you're deemed competent then that means you're assumed to be malicious more easily when you're doing something wrong. These two biases don't contradict each other, …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 02:29 PM

How can you get the ick from this?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 01:30 PM
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Posting this about your own son is abusive, wtf.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 10:42 AM
1

Being a switch is the superior way of being.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 10:10 AM
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How's that not degenerate but loving multiple people is somehow degenerate.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 08:00 PM
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Yeah, and that makes no sense at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 07:58 PM
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While saying casual is great too. Makes zero sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 07:44 PM

https://youtu.be/wGcyklgrRg0?si=7nw4eFaCbwVi6hV2 I love this song.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 02:34 PM

I bought a new computer literally for this
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 01:49 PM

Lol I'm now remembering that casually explained video on this topic "Again you really can't tell"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:40 AM

I'm rethinking the things female coworkers have said to me. But testing the waters was not really an option as we all had partners at that time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:30 AM

How do you know whether a woman is hitting on you or just being nice? Or maybe they just like you as a person but aren't attracted? I have been told I'm oblivious so now I'm questioning things lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:03 AM
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Sounds nice, I think I would prefer it like that as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 06:39 AM

5'9, I am not that tall.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 06:38 AM
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You might have a point if you weren't strawmanning my position, and if I were the one trying to support uncalled for assumptions with Bayesian statistics to support a broader claim. How did I strawman your position? What's wrong with Mary's reasoning, or is it sound? I think there is some truth to it, but I think the military would be a better example to use. There's also contradicting evidence of that idea, because on the one hand there are places where this seems to be true (the military, spor…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 06:36 AM

Oh that's awesome to hear, congratulations! Do you already have a wedding date? What type of wedding would you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 10:33 PM

Do they ever get offended about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 10:14 PM

Thank you Sarai. You're always so kind to me, I appreciate it. Are you and your partner still going strong?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 10:08 PM

She must also be able to put up with a lot of rhetorical arguments and hard to defy internal logic Yeah my mind is not for the weak. Most people would probably end up frustrated. But usually not the smart women. she must have a tough job if she wants to change your mind about things She already did on multiple fronts. do you ever debate with her about ppd subjects? Yes and I take her seriously each time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 10:05 PM

I also have long hair and like getting my hair brushes too hahah. It's so relaxing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:57 PM

Thank you. She does. She's also very smart.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:54 PM

Eh I try. I have my own flaws like everybody else. But I think a good trait I have is that I'm aware of them and admit to them. That way you become better over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:49 PM

I didn't just gain a good friend. I gained 4 years of someone who showed me what love without abuse looks like, who taught me valuable lessons, who supported me with my own ambitions, who made me feel like my effort and love could actually mean something to someone as she's grown into a better person while she was with me who I'm proud of. When we met she probably didn't fully understand what she actually needed in a partner and neither did I. I probably still don't completely know, but I know a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:44 PM

Does this sentence have a double meaning?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:34 PM

No, things got too difficult. But we are still good friends. I met someone new recently who I like a lot though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:32 PM

Not yet...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:26 PM

I'd be open to trying, but with the understanding I'm worse than average at such things 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:24 PM

I'm incompetent on that front. But brushing and playing with their hair is nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:21 PM
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How is "attraction to dominance is completely independent from what women want in long term relationships" not a far stronger, more likely to be biased assumption than mine which is "it's not fully independent on the level of the total population"?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:57 PM
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You don't seem to realize you're committing major reasoning errors that invalidate the probabilistic conclusions you're trying to draw. No, you just don't understand how bayesian statistics work. Which is fine, most people don't as it's not taught nearly enough. But accusing me of commuting major reasoning errors just because you don't understand me is annoying. My opinion however is based in a long history of men trying to subjugate women who won't submit and women generally preferring true ega…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:37 PM
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If there's zeros basis for what I'm saying then there's less than zero basis for what you're saying, you don't seem to realize this.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:25 PM
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Being attracted to dominant traits doesn't mean you want them directed at you or that you want to be submissive. Nothing I said implies that. Why are you so stuck on that? Again, yes logically it doesn't automatically mean that on an individual level. But on the population scale it's likely this transfers between those two things for enough people to make it a pattern in terms of averages. I'm stuck on that because what you said is less likely to be true then what I am saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:19 PM
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... so if a man is trustworthy and dominant they would rather be submissive with them right? Like I said, when they are loved right. I didn't say anything about how many men can provide this.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:06 PM
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You're making autism seem based ngl
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 07:56 PM
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Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 07:56 PM
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Based upon human behavior? Attraction is involuntary, but people's preferences change over time as they get more experience because they figure out what they actually want. It is more reasonable to assume it will have some effect on the scale of the total population. Are you saying people don't act on their attraction? But honestly what you appear to be failing to ask yourself is why you think they must be connected. Why would you assume that being attracted to a person with some dominance assoc…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 07:51 PM
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https://preview.redd.it/pstz5wjhpolg1.png?width=275&format=png&auto=webp&s=468db5bc4ffb41328cb443972500fdf47b3e13ef
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 06:31 PM
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there's no connection between what traits you are attracted to and how you want to be treated Why would I believe this? Whats the reason they'd be completely independent? Egalitarian relationships are diametrically opposed to one partner being submissive. If one is, it's not egalitarian. I don't agree with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 06:06 PM
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I mean, you seem to be trying to push the narrative hard given you're questionable leaps of logic. I'm reasoning probabilistically, it's not my fault that you don't understand this and then interpret this as questionable leaps of logic. Just because it does not automatically and logically follows from what I said doesn't mean there is no association between the two. If you want to redefine submissive out of what it means - that is inclined or ready to submit or yield to the authority of another;…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 04:44 PM
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Maybe stop trying to read inaccurate intentions into what someone is saying? I ain't forcing anything or forcing anyone. I'm trying to describe and understand how the universe works. It's like your mad at me, because your shadowboxing a very specific type of submissiveness that I'm not talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 04:36 PM
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It's not complicated that attraction towards someone and how you want to interact with them can be two different things. E.g., men who fall in love with a woman who likes to dress provocatively and then is upset when she continues to dress this way in a relationship. Yes, but on a population scale why would you assume this is the case for such a number of people that it would change the average? The fact is the vast majority of women express preferences for egalitarian relationships. If you're l…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 04:21 PM

That has nothing to do with men having in group biases It does, because with how it is defined that would be contradicting. I can't think men and women are simultaneously wonderful as that concept is defined in a relative sense when used as an overarching thing. Your only counter to those studies would be that they have conceptual problems and that they are missing something, for example that there is no one such bias but multiple ones that are contextual. You think dudes threatening to take awa…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 04:15 PM
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But this is a flawed leap of logic that not only ignores individual differences but conflates attraction with how a woman might want to interact with that man. A woman can even want a dominant man to be submissive to her, for example. I'm not ignoring individual differences as I was precise about the fact that I was speaking about averages. There was no moral weight in what I said, I don't think women have to be submissive. So individual women can definitely be dominant or neutral. But the avera…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 04:08 PM

So how do you explain both men and women having a women are wonderful effect in many studies? Is there a conceptual issue in those studies?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 04:03 PM

You do find that sentiment here on ppd and in the manosphere. But it's pretty rare in the general population of men in my experience. Conservatives are usually misogynistic, but they don't think men are perfect victims at all. In fact they constantly victim blame men themselves. But also the "taken women's rights back" is clearly very often a response towards being shamed for being male. It's a predictable response when men as a whole are being described as evil oppressors, because it contradict…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 03:44 PM
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Then why are there studies where women are asked to self-report what they find attractive that show women find some level of dominance in men attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 03:35 PM
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Aren't women on average naturally submissive when they are loved right? The men doing the coercing just want to bypass that condition no?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 03:21 PM

That's the point, they aren't claiming men are great. You just perceive it as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 12:02 PM

Imo your post doesn't prove your claim/title. What you're observing is men responding because they feel internal shame. That's not the same thing as having a men are wonderful bias. Studies consistently find the opposite phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 11:41 AM

Is it bias or is it a bayesian statistical analysis? If your prior knowledge is that people will try to shame you rather than offering a productive conversation then it just seems like a logical response.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 11:39 AM

Except when discussing moral intuition tests!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 06:31 PM

I think in both cases people can learn. I don't really believe people are ever "lazy", rather I think they have mental health issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 04:15 PM

One of the biggest issues is dealing with group members who have a lack of care/communication and work ethic yes. But even when you luck out on those, there is the issue of having people who don't have any skill in scientific writing or people who have no clue on how actually doing something if it's not filling in predetermined questions on a test. The education system ruins people's ability to work independently.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:22 PM

Group projects just suck no matter who you're working with lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:37 PM

You can never know the intention of strangers, especially not online, so this should be your default assumption: that you don’t know their intention, whether they have strong morals or not, whether they care deeply or not. You simply do not know. Whether they hold frame or get upset easily. You should always assume you don’t know. So not assume indifference either. Yeah very true, often you can't reliably know someone else's intention, only your own 😉
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 11:50 AM

It's one of the most annoying debate tactics.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 11:11 AM

It's a skill and it's a responsibility everyone has. But at the same sometimes there's really nothing you can do to be perceived correctly. Which I find very frustrating. Probably not the most mature behavior of me but sometimes I then start to intentionally mess with people because they will misunderstand me anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 10:08 AM
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There’s a difference between authority and abuse, and collapsing them into the same thing is lazy thinking. Authority will always collapse into abuse on a population level unless the right checks and balances are invented.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 09:58 AM

Very true. It's very bizarre for me as well sometimes. I seem more emotional when I write online, but the exact opposite happens in real life. Then I seem like I don't feel much, when I do, and then people hurt me because they think I didn't feel much.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 09:51 AM

That makes sense and I agree. I'm just saying a lot of people can appear to be holding frame when in reality they are just indifferent or unobservant. It's not that they are good at emotional regulation, it's just that they don't feel any emotions about anything except for their selfish self interest, or they lack awareness about what is going on. This creates a problematic perception where people think someone who's genuinely concerned about society is emotionally unstable, while someone who do…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 09:43 AM

Holding frame is overrated imo. Sometimes people who get upset are the ones who have the strongest morals and those who care the most about the wellbeing of others.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 09:30 AM
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The fact that you keep bringing up this example is kinda sus.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 09:53 PM
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It's not that it is an undeniable fact, it's that trying to guess other people's intentions is unreliable unless you spend a lot of time with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 10:51 AM
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Guys who don't get it simply don't understand how much scary shit women deal with from men, and worse, they often don't believe us. I've had men tell me I'm lying when I say multiple men have yelled at me for not wanting their number when they randomly approached me in public! So then why do I understand that and still think man vs bear is bad? I simply think people are responsible for what they say, regardless of their trauma. If your reaction to women being scared of men is "this sucks for me …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 04:24 AM
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You understand yourself yes. But that is all that is highly reliable when it comes to intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 07:00 PM
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Dehumanisation? Feels like you didn’t actually read what I wrote. It’s symbolic, not literal. It’s not meant as category 1 (moral accusation = men are violent animals), it’s meant as category 2 and 3 (risk perception and emotional signaling). These are the intentions. They don’t point to dehumanisation. You “perceive it as such”. But it’s not the intention of feminists using the analogy. You’re misreading the intention behind the entire symbolism. I just don't agree with your whole framing or co…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 06:50 PM
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Category error. That’s a direct moral and political claim about what women should be allowed to do (rights, obligations, explicit political view). That’s not a symbolic comparison used as emotion signaling. You appear to not really notice a difference between: 1) Saying “men are violent animals” (= moral accusation) 2) Saying “I statistically feel safer with X” (= risk perception) 3) Saying “my lived experience makes me distrustful” (= emotional signal) You make a category error collapsing these…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 06:37 PM
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This sort of defensiveness is never healthy, neither morally justified. Whether from women or men. When someone signals something, you don’t center yourself in response. Period. You hold that space for them. So when someone signals to you that they think women are awful and belong in the kitchen, should have their rights taken away etc your response is to hold space for them? Not defensiveness? Not moral concern? Because it means you can’t separate your personal self from the group you belong to…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 05:36 PM
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You do it to inspire for rethinking. Man vs bear is that. A test to inspire rethinking. I don't believe that that is what it is. I believe it is a dogwhistle for a bigoted belief system. It’s intellectually weak but socially revealing. The rage proves the mechanism works. Women aren’t making a risk calculation, they’re signaling distrust in accountability and seeing whether men can sit with that implication for 5 seconds without centering themselves. Imo it reveals that the women who say that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 04:39 PM

Having a cat and have it like you is as well
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 03:57 PM

A therapist once cancelled on me without letting me know 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 03:53 PM
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If your not trying to make anyone feel silenced, what was the goal of telling you’d remove my comments as a mod had you not been personally involved. The goal was letting you know you're breaking rules and giving a chance to do something about it. I don't remove comments or ban people quickly compared to other mods. I give them a chance to improve. If you removed my comments I would challenge them and then other mods would get involved too snd they would see you are abusing your power. No most l…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 01:57 PM
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Exactly which is why your warning me here instead of just removing because you know you’ll break the code of contact but also by warning me here you are abusing your own power to silence me. It's the exact opposite. I do not want to make anyone feel silenced which is exactly why I do not mod my own comment chains. This is not even against the rules for the mods, it's something I impose on myself. But you kept doubling down further, so I had to at least say something. If I wanted to silence you a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 01:39 PM
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I do not decide what can be posted based on my own preferences. I decide that based on the "no contentless rethoric" "be civil" and "debate post" rule which always require some level of interpretation. The content of your post is not the problem, it's that people who make debate posts are expected to actually debate counterpoints. I didn't warn you because I don't like you, I warned you because you keep breaking multiple of the subreddit rules. If I didn't care about my code of conduct I wouldn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 01:13 PM
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You and others are trying to steer it to suit your own personal agendas. If you can’t argue my points then stop wasting both our time. I am arguing your points. You just don't want to "lose" the debate because you know they make too much sense for you to easily dismiss them. So you make ad hominems instead. You’ve also tried to make it personal and tried to dismiss it as emotional, this is another tactic to avoid my actual points I have called an emotional response what it was; an emotional resp…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 12:30 PM
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did. I’m sorry you didn’t like it snd made you emotional You didn't. You made one very weak argument that doesn't actually disprove what I said, and an ad hominem about what I'm supposedly doing. I’m keeping the debate to the actual points, not going off to your own agenda I disagree. You're keeping the debate to points you can easily dismiss. Else you respond with ad hominems. I’m not attacking men, I’m saying unless asked, we don’t want your opinions, and stop making our choices about you. Wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 12:06 PM
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Again dude I’m sorry if your feeling emotional but let’s try to keep our personal responses out of it Projection. I’m not here to coddle you, No but you're supposed to respond to what I actually said. Which is not what you did. Instead you made up all kinds of things because you didn't want to engage with my actual argument. it’s mostly just personal attacks from men being offended that we don’t care for their opinions I'm not offended and neither did I make any personal attacks towards you. I t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 11:49 AM
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I’m sorry if my post or comments made you feel emotional but this is a debate sub so please don’t take things personally. You're being far more emotional than I am as evident by how much you're reading into what I said that I never actually said. But it's not because you're a woman. The problem is you're not debating in good faith and I find this annoying. When you make a debate post you're supposed to show interest in counterpoints, not dismiss them with made up framings. And yes, you made wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 11:23 AM
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Comparing someone to a stationary plant is better than an animal mostly used as teddies? Yes because bear in that example really refers to a teddybear when the example is about violence 🙄🙄🙄 Yeah, this is called moving the goalposts. Men made womens choices about them and just like in your comments tried to play it that men are the real victims here as men can’t find their identity, completely ignoring the violence against women that brought them to picking them bear in the first place. I'm not p…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 11:04 AM
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I keep finding these types of takes on the man vs bear debate to be incredibly ironic and deeply lacking in self-awareness. You call young men selfish and entitled for responding negatively to it, but you are yourself responding negatively to their reaction by calling them selfish and entitled. Which suggests you yourself are selfish and entitled by your own logic as you don't allow them to respond based on their own experiences either. You're suggesting women are entitled to expressing opinions…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 10:51 AM
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just think there’s a trade-off: I agree it's a trade-off. Unfortunately intellectual integrity is itself in a trade-off with doing advocacy and your own sanity sometimes. If someone’s position depends on external validation to remain stable, continually providing that reassurance can actually reinforce the dependency. This is true, I'm just talking about doing that once in order to make someone feel acknowledged. And then hopefully they can take a next step themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 05:53 PM
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No?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 01:37 PM
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Likewise... And the original post.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 01:37 PM
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It's not that I am worried about being seen as performative. It's that I'm saying it is not necessarily a good strategy to overly please women by being "nice" if you want to attract them. Neither is it a morally good thing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 11:35 AM
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I’m not sure how appearing to defend denigrating women on dates is supposed to inspire rethinks in their belief systems… if anything the consequence is they think that is what you actually believe and they won’t take you serious on your ideas. I only said it is true that I could have explained it more clearly. Not that I think it is reasonable for them to think that with my current explanation. The fact that they focus on what I quoted and not on what I said (which is not compatible with the typ…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 11:10 AM
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Maybe my ultimate aim was not to be perfectly understood in this case, but to inspire a rethink of their belief system and to reveal more information about their own beliefs system and assumptions. Just like you know me from other comments I made, I know them from other comments they made. And I think their belief system as a whole is inconsistent. But I can't say that directly to their face as it would just be dismissed. Communicating as clear as possible is only important to me if wanting to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 07:25 AM
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I agree I could have made it more clear. But having been on this subreddit for years I'm unsure they would have responded differently if I had been more clear. Sometimes on this subreddit you don't have to show all your cards outright.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 06:57 AM
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I understand it can be misunderstood. But I didn't agree with his framing in the first place. It can just as easily be that a woman who can't handle a conversation about that is the neurotic one. And in my experience a lot of women of my generation would respond badly to merely daring to have an opinion on that as they have been damaged by polarisation just as much as the men, which is something else entirely than denigrating someone. But of course by making it about denigrating someone, you can…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 06:45 AM
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I didn't say it did. But it still means being normal is cringe and an euphemism for what is actually being said.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 05:47 AM
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Not if you also read the original post. What he said doesn't make it any less cringe to say "be normal". He's putting all of the responsibility of a woman not being able to handle pushback on her opinion of the wage gap on men. Because apparently you're not normal if you don't treat women as delicate flowers who will run away the second you disagree with them on something. That's reinforcing benevolent sexism. In that case it's still cringe to tell people to be normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 05:39 AM
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The original comment didn't specify the first date. At some point you need to discuss your opinions with each other while you are dating. I just reject his framing of denigrating someone. Talking about the wage gap is not automatically doing that. It's suggesting someone needs to cater to what women want to hear but imo this is counterproductive because women see right through it and don't even like it when men are overly performative.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 09:30 PM

I didn't say you were, but when did I ever say I would force someone into a debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 09:20 PM

I'm sorry dude but not making a backhanded insult like you just did, because you're not even understanding where I'm coming from is also "basic politeness".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 09:18 PM

Even debating is not equivalent to arguing. Arguing is like yelling and insulting in my view.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 09:14 PM
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Your comment/post was removed, because it made a derogatory statement about a demographic group or individual, based on their race, gender, sexual orientation or identity. It is good practice to qualify who you are talking about, especially when it comes to groups based on innate characteristics. “Many men” used instead of men in general, or “many white people” used instead of white people in general will likely avoid accusations of violating this rule. If you disagree with this ruling, please a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/26 06:15 PM

Well no, of course. Not on a first date. But I don't understand the idea that discussing a topic is the same as arguing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 06:05 PM

Statistics show that men are less likely to leave relationships where they are unhappy. This is a valid thing to be concerned about in itself. It's related to how society teaches men that their feelings are unimportant. But they don't say there are zero happy marriages from the side of men. People generally report higher wellbeing when married then when single, regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 05:59 PM

I don't know if I still think this is true. A maybe surprising number of people (including women) prefer someone who dares to have their own opinions instead of being overly nice about it. It just doesn't seem that way on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 05:49 PM

Because a “normal man” would know you shouldn’t be trying to argue and denigrate someone if you realistically want them to like you or date you So a normal man changes his opinion based on how much pussy that gets him? How is that having any integrity?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 05:46 PM

Thanks for being able to acknowledge it. And for helping them with it. Normally I don't automatically believe someone when they say they care about men who are abused as it's often used to win a reddit argument but you have been a consistently kind and good faith person here so I believe you. We need more people like you in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 05:41 PM

If a woman is an abuser or rapist or something, it's just relegated to her Even that often doesn't happen. Then it's "well what did you do to make her behave this way" 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 05:36 PM

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/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 05:34 PM
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Agreed on all fronts. But it doesn't change what I said. It happens so many times here that people pretend men magically cause all of their own problems. I'm only saying it because the cases where this is claimed very often make no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 04:18 PM
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Because they selectively pretend the world is just/fair and that when someone (usually a young man) has something bad happen they had it coming.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 03:50 PM
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Your post/comment was removed, because it contained a personal attack on another user. Please try to keep your contributions civil. Attack the idea rather than the individual, and default to the assumption that the other person is engaging in good faith. If you disagree with this ruling, please appeal by messaging the moderators.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/26 01:46 PM
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I appreciate the high effort post, thanks.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/26 01:39 PM
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Your post/comment was removed, because it contained a personal attack on another user. Please try to keep your contributions civil. Attack the idea rather than the individual, and default to the assumption that the other person is engaging in good faith. If you disagree with this ruling, please appeal by messaging the moderators.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/26 01:10 PM

You have never been insulted here??? I have been insulted so many times and I'm literally a mod, they still don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:21 PM
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Yeah that's very true. Although I don't feel that way when it comes to my personal relationships with women, when it comes to doing activism for women I don't really see it as my responsibility anymore to the extent I once saw it. And its because of how common things like this are.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/26 10:07 PM

Ah yeah. I guess mostly in the hilly areas. I'm going to England next weekend.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:02 PM

So long? In which country do you live?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 09:51 PM

Yeah we had snow today and I made a photo walk in the city. More than 10 years ago since I had that opportunity lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:58 PM

My mom played this shit too many times, sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:10 PM

Nah that's still not great.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 07:32 PM

Yes, country music sucks ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:54 PM
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So you didn't read anything I said? I already said that killing animals for food isn't necessarily morally wrong. Making them suffer a lot is.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 09:58 PM
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How do you mean disability
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/26 05:26 PM
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Lmao. Well don't be too hard on yourself, you made me laugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 01:17 PM
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Not necessarily, you can farm tuna in an ethical way. That just doesn't really happen currently.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 12:56 PM
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Yeah it has allowed people to self select friends that are ideologically as similar to them as possible. Which encourages polarisation. Its hard to dehumanize a group of people when you regularly talk to them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/26 12:50 PM

Things like: X tiptoeing around the fact that life is not fair for anyone X excessively shielding feminists and leftwingers from criticism and responsibility for their own mistakes X acting like men who struggle with dating only do so because of their own actions or beliefs X reducing any criticism of their framework to "you're used to privilege" instead of acknowledging it's weaknesses X underestimating how gender neutral abuse is, and acting like abused men are rare exceptions to the norm X in…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 11:48 AM

My opinion of redpill is that it's mostly wrong but not completely wrong. Bluepill is defined as not being redpill, so I'm more bluepill then redpill in that sense. But bluepill in practice usually is a marker for the types of takes that imo are as inaccurate and emotionally loaded as the redpill is, so I don't feel that label practically represents my own beliefs well. So I call myself purple because I think it most accurately reflects my belief system.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 11:29 AM

I call myself purple pill to avoid this problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 11:25 AM
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The stronger argument is that the meat industry creates unnecessary amounts of suffering that could be avoided. From that pov the idea is not that eating animals is morally wrong but that making them suffer unnecessarily is morally wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 11:24 AM
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These kinds of people are operating from defensiveness but they don't understand how much of a strategic failure they are being. Not only is this untrue, but it also pits women and men against each other and it alienates and hurts men to the point more of them will become misogynistic because of rethoric like this. Which doesn't protect women, it harms them as well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/26 10:58 AM
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Everything you said is in alignment with what I said. They are expected to not be stable, so they are considered professionally inferior. It harms women. But it is not an expectation of being mentally stable, it's the exact opposite of that expectation. And it can lead to women desperately trying to prove that they are stable, and resenting their own emotions which is real suffering that deserves to be discussed. But it's not the same as being expected to be stable and stoic. That's all I'm sayi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 09:00 AM

Yeah, but in both directions.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 05:46 PM

No.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 10:24 PM
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Real
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 07:04 PM
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I think my own view is more accurate 🤷
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 04:51 PM
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I look forward to you also chiding all the men who love to say "choose better" if you consider that advice. There is an active thread right now that is just waiting for you to sweep in with the perfectly useless statement. 1) I'm a mod here and my reaction needs to be understood as coming from that angle. People are not allowed to make posts asking for advice so that means when people make posts describing dynamics people in the comments should also focus on that instead of offering personal adv…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 04:42 PM
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Are you talking about society or in a relationship? Because you are comparing apples to oranges. OP is claiming that men do unrecognized emotional labor in a relationship, not that society is more accepting of when women lose their cool than men. These things are connected to each other in my view. . In society, women are expected to cool down their men all the time and deescalate situations when their men get a temper. Yes but that only refers to anger and usually in specific contexts. With any…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:57 PM
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Really not to the same extent. Who do you think received the most acceptance and empathy? A woman who cries in public or a man? A woman who loses their patience or a man? A woman who is hitting someone or a man? A woman who is yelling or a man? A man who is asking for help or a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:47 PM
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Some women who grew up with inconsistent fathers (like she said) were taught to tiptoe, measure temperature, adapt and be mentally stable and dependable as well. Maybe that’s not specifically a script around courtship like the OP described but women experience these things as well, depending on their attachment styles and bonds with their parents (fathers specifically). That shows that there's variability between men and women as gender is not the only relevant explanatory variable. I'm not clai…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:45 PM
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This isn't fully gender neutral. The expectation to be stoic and mentally stable in a romantic relationship leans disproportionately towards the male side, do you deny this? This is also a debate sub, not an advice sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 07:17 AM

Yes that should be the main priority in a country collapsing under its own inability to regulate the wealth distribution and to prevent corruption resulting in fascism 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 07:58 PM
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I also think biological differences do have an influence, but saying they are the main driver of these ideas imo simplifies things too much. I do think men have a biological driver to be more skeptical towards female promiscuity, because of the uncertainty of their paternity. While women have a biological driver to fear male sexuality and to expect greater shows of commitment and mental stability during crisis from their partner. That's however not the same thing as the cultural scripts that are…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 04:43 PM
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This completely ignores that redpillers regularly make claims that are easily disproven empirically. Deductive reasoning does not necessarily require empirical grounding, as a logical chain can still be logical even if it doesn't describe anything real. But you're bringing empirical observation into it and from that point someone critiquing the false conclusions being made does not imply they don't understand deductive reasoning. It can also mean they just disagree that it is accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 06:52 AM
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But how do these "scripts" appear in peoples heads if feminists have sucessfully wiped it all out from essentially all media? Where is it then coming from? Socialisation within families and friend groups. These things don't just function as top down dynamics they function as an interaction between top down and bottom up.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 08:59 PM

What on earth did I just read
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 02:48 PM
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A guy randomly told you that? That's also creepy in its own right damn.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 02:32 PM

Yeah but my point is anyone can frame that in an innocent or problematic, there's no way to know what's actually going on
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 06:24 PM

Nothing wrong with that, but how is not also exploiting wealth disparities by his own logic?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 05:21 PM

Didn't you recently say you were fucking women in Brazil?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 04:30 PM

Is that what is offensive, or does the offensiveness come from endlessly repeated messages about how bad men are but without any path towards improvement being offered? I think there's nothing wrong with what you described in your comment but lots of people go way further than that. There isn't really anything any human being can do about being negatively affected about being stereotyped in a negative way. That's something that happens automatically. If you endlessly hear negative messages about…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 05:27 PM
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Thank you! She deserves a lot of pleasure 😊
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 04:57 PM
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Yes, especially the older I get. I recently experienced this with someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 03:52 PM
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It is one of the most radicalizing things to see tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 03:44 PM
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As a fellow demisexual and sapiosexual and I can confirm this can happen from personal experience. There is a lot of confusion because casual is often seen as a synonym for superficial.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 03:38 PM
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Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 02:53 PM
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Not of anonymous men on the internet either. They either tell you to be a pushover or to be an abuser. I don't want to be either.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 09:02 AM
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Yeah you indeed can't explain something that either isn't true or that has no meaning. That's what I'm saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 10:35 AM
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That's just categorically false unless you define this concepts in such a way that the phrase you uttered becomes completely meaningless. But why did I even try, the intellectual level of this subreddit is still abhorrent.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 10:28 AM
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You have to sign up for it? So in your interpretation a draft can never be called a right violation until it is actually happening at which point there is no time anymore to even oppose or dismantle it. What ifs aren't imagination, it's understanding how possibility works. There is always a chance there will be war and a draft, so that right violation exists constantly below the surface as a latent reality until one day it becomes active while no one can predict when that day will come. That sti…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 10:21 AM
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Again, that is not relevant. The very fact that you have to sign up and women don't means there is a difference in rights. Whether someone is drafted or not in practice is a separate topic which is about how much that matters or not. In fact if I have to follow your reasoning the other person ends up having a way stronger point that they didn't even make themselves. Because almost no laws or rights are actually enforced in a gender neutral manner. Most rights that are equal on paper are not in p…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 08:35 AM
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You have just conveniently redefined rights in such a way in this conversation to tiptoe around the core point. Because over the years on this subreddit I have seen you use rights in a different definition whenever it concerned women or girls. I am not blind and neither do I forget. By your own reasoning defining the concept of rights in such a way that obligations are not properly incorporated into them and then claiming women have less rights all over the world is just as ludicrous. But you wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 09:31 PM
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Sounds like a claim to me. You just made your scope smaller from globally to 1 specific domain. Still a claim. Yes, not a claim that was relevant to what she asked. "What rights don't men have" is not relevant to my criticism. I pointed out that her challenge didn't actually challenge what the other guy said. The draft only shows that men have more legal obligations in this specific domain. An obligation is not automatically the mirror image of a right, unless you explicitly define and defend it…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 08:53 PM
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So no one can ever discuss the concept of rights without being accused of pretending to be a victim? 50 years isn't even long from a historical pov and your own country is literally going full blown fascist and threatening all kinds of countries all over the world with military invasions while a mad man in the white house desperately wants a war so has an excuse to suspend elections. But we are supposed to look to the past 50 years instead of the likely future?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 08:38 PM
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I didn't say men have less rights. I'm saying in the case of the draft in the US they do have less rights and nothing she said addresses that. The only valid argument she could have given is by pointing out there are other rights where the assymmetry goes the other way around and compensates for this one. But even then quantifying it is impossible. If you don't operate under that premise then every talk about rights and who has more or less becomes completely meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 08:34 PM
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Makes absolutely zero sense. There is almost no precedent of a draft being equal especially not in the US. And it still doesn't address the difference in right. That's what they call being bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 08:06 PM
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For example saying the draft hasn't been put into practice doesn't address the difference in rights. That's still a difference in rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 08:01 PM
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I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 07:56 PM
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That's not what I asked. I'm not making any claims. I'm saying what you said didn't disprove what he said.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 07:55 PM

Yes please do
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 07:52 PM

You didn't address what he said. He said men have less rights and you just said that this is not a big deal. Not that it isn't true.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 05:37 PM

It's almost as if your feelings get stronger the more you love someone 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 05:15 PM

That's true
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 12:46 PM

You're getting mod privileges from me now (jk)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 12:32 PM

I disagree, kindness consistently ranks somewhere in the top 5 in studies about what people find attractive both in men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 12:01 PM

Please tell me it's the real thing and not a fake American version
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 11:39 AM

Let's be real here being kind and good isn't that common. Unless he's defining it as "not an asshole"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 11:32 AM

They have gruyere in the US???
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 11:31 AM

Not everything that is moral or even practical needs to be legal. If someone leaves another person because of a silly reason I don't have to agree with how they conduct themselves. The truth is some reasons for leaving someone are stupid and/or self-sabotaging. But for some reason we always like to pretend all choices, preferences and wants are equally defendable. They aren't, even if you're allowed to have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 10:52 PM
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No one individually decides it completely that's my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 06:21 PM

Basically I don't assume that what someone wants is something they purely decide for themselves. What someone wants is influenced by all kinds of factors. So just saying "everyone should do what they want" is not as morally obvious as you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 05:09 PM

Can you be more specific on what part you want an example of? I appreciate that you're trying to understand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 05:05 PM

Yes, thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 04:02 PM

I already addressed this, I believe anyone has the legal right to leave at anytime, so clearly I am not doing that. That doesn't change the fact that social norms exist. That also doesn't change the fact that people don't just exist as individuals in one relationship but that all the people together create macro effects. People don't find others boring randomly, it's related to social norms, the way technology interacts with their senses, and their ability to introspect. We live in a world where…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 03:40 PM

I personally don't understand why this topic always has to be stretched towards two extremes. You can simultaneously believe that that anyone has the legal right to leave at any time and still look critically towards some reasons people cite (I'm saying people because this is gender neutral for me) for leaving. And towards the macro outcome of people being quick to leave. I don't think anyone is owed an explanation, but the truth is that the macro outcome of enough people leaving over the smalle…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 03:14 PM
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I second what another person said. In my experience most women don't seem to understand how much emotional labour they themselves require from a male partner and so the whole emotional labour conversation that is had on their terms feels alienating to many men. Also I'm not actually simple, I'm as emotionally complex as you so yes if you do something without actively considering my feelings, thinking I didn't feel anything, it will hurt just like it would if I did the same in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 01:39 PM
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Argument 1 describes something true, but it doesn't mean the conclusion is warranted (that it should be considered an equal form of homeless) but both cases are bad. Because people shouldn't be living without shelter, and they shouldn't be having to sell their dignity for shelter either. Argument 2 is partly true but incomplete. It's true women will end up doing sex work when in poverty more than men. The incompleteness comes from the fact that men will end up doing criminality and be in gangs m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/26 10:21 AM
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Information isn't always of the kind "this is how the world works" It can also of the kind "I care about you" or "I don't care about you" When you're communicating information it's a failure if you can't say "this is how the world works" without also saying "I care about you". That's why just always being brutally honest doesn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 10:25 PM
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That doesn't fully address what I said though. Maybe I don't just want to hear what I want to hear, but I still have some boundaries and standards for what is acceptable to think. For example someone saying"men are trash" or "women are inferior" is going to make me lose respect for someone. But something like: "I disagree with the epistemology you're using because..." It might not directly be what I wanted to hear in the sense that it doesn't stroke my ego, but it is honest feedback that can hel…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 06:53 PM
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That's just the sad reality of people judging you based on what's considered normal. Making deprecating jokes is more normalized in male groups than in female groups. And exactly because it is normalized, it is not seen as reflective of any bad motivation. It is assumed that it was a joke and that there was no malicious motivation. But when you do it, that's not in alignment with the norm, so they wonder "did she actually lose respect for me" instead of assuming you wanted to joke around. Is it …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 05:06 PM
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It's kinda hard to know whether someone is mad about the directness or about the content of what is said as well to be honest. Like, if I say something extremely hateful or something that's utterly false and they don't like it, I don't really get to call another person a hypocrite just because they asked for direct communication. Like if I ask for direct communication and someone tells me they deny the holocaust happened I'm gonna be mad. But not because they were direct. Because what they said …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 04:52 PM
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Eh I don't believe it sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 01:47 PM
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If every single person you meet insults you to much it could be that you're misinterpreting what they meant. I have male friends who have never insulted me, except when it was clearly meant as a joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 12:15 PM
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I agree. Generally I only employ being tactless with someone who has crossed multiple lines though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 12:08 PM
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But that’s not what guys advocate on this sub. They don’t lead with nuance. They lead with edgelordiness. And many of them claim to want “brutal honesty.” Yeah I agree. It seems to be a (young) male thing even tho I don't think it's the majority of men. There's also a form of this that's more useful and not as assholish. Which is being the devils advocate to actually improve understanding. But you need to have enough empathy to pull that off. And it’s not just this sub, I’ve known guys IRL all m…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 12:03 PM
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Isn't there a grey nuance zone here? Can it be that men want slightly more direct communication on average? Without that meaning they want to overly blunt brutally honest communication. I mean I definitely don't want the latter and I don't pretend otherwise. There's also a way to be direct without being offensive, that's just something that takes skill and most people don't have that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 11:46 AM
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Every time I scroll ppd I see you talking about cooking lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 07:49 AM
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The point of history is to study the things you should never do again. Not to erase it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 07:38 AM
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Yeah I think people don't realize that the US Civil war had less virtuous motivations. It was more about economics than dislike for slavery imo.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 07:00 AM
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That doesn't make sense. Being selfish itself makes one less attractive. Being generous (in all meanings of the word) is considered a desirable trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 07:21 AM
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That’s the type of visibility that doesn’t infantilise men or force them into a socially humiliating role. It’s also the type that aligns best with your technocratic instinct: visibility as input into design, not visibility as moral theatre. I agree with most of what you wrote, but this still puts you into a socially humiliating role. People see you saying the truth as a failure to be a man. I can't explain how much of a minefield this becomes. I'm not saying we should let that stop us, but you …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 01:58 PM
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I fully agree with everything you wrote here and I enjoyed reading about your experiences.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 01:24 PM
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Where I want to keep us precise is: what counts as “smart design” in social theory and policy? Not starting from demographics but from mechanisms would be one example. And making sure the structure is actually open to change, which means being more precise in a claim. For example using patriarchy in such a way that a society can become something that is no longer seen as a patriarchy. I’d just treat that as a hypothesis about conformity dynamics, not as evidence about what feminism is “in princi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 01:22 PM
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But “can’t eliminate” is a much weaker claim than “can’t meaningfully reduce” Yes, that's a valid counterpoint. What do you call that selection process if not scope… and how do you do it without doing it? Would you agree that “scope” is unavoidable and the ethical question is not whether to scope, but whether the scope is explicitly declared, continuously audited and corrected when it creates blind spots? If scoping is intrinsically dishonest, how is any finite model possible at all? You have ma…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 01:02 PM
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Within any group I’m in I’m always seen as “the difficult one” because I notice I’m more comfortable with ambiguity and uncertainty than most people. Yeah, me too. Although truthfully these days I often just keep my mouth shut. I still judge silently though, to refine my own thinking. Every day that I improve my own perspective, I become more disconnected from most of the rest of humanity. The cumulative long term effect of someone who does that consistently vs someone who doesn't can't be under…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 12:35 PM
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When it comes to the dating related discussion. I'm not really attached to any belief or very confident about anything in that respect, and I also agree it's messy and subjective. Also to be clear I'm very far from a redpiller, I don't think women live life on easy mode, or dehumanize their emotional complexity in my own mind. You're claiming that women pretend to be more fine without a male partner than they actually are. I'm willing to consider this as true. I just want to ask though, do you t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 10:51 AM
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No I agree with you it is a corrective lens, that's just not mutually exclusive with it assuming "moral superiority". I didn't claim they are intentional conspiracies in a way that's somehow mutually exclusive with them being emergent historical dynamics. Patriarchal belief systems clearly assume "women are cognitively and physically inferior to men" just like feminist belief systems assume "women are the disadvantaged party and need to be helped". The second feminism makes any mistake at all in…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 10:14 AM
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What would you count as evidence that feminism is not ontologically committed to “women matter more”? I know you're asking this question for falsifiability concerns, so I appreciate it. I would see as evidence the following things: If I saw continued improvement, refinement and change in it's frameworks, as that would prove the reason is "we are imperfect people doing our best" and not "we can't let any attention be taken away from women" or "ideological purity is most important" If their framew…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 09:14 AM
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I’m still struggling also with that I think you sometimes reverse the logic in a way that turns “imperfect optimisation” into “moral villainy” and I’m not personally convinced the jump is justified yet. I see "imperfect optimisation" as a euphemism for what is actually happening. I can't imagine some of the things I have read or seen being done by someone accidentally being wrong or blind. I'm not saying they are some caricature of an evil villain either to be clear. But the problem with their b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/26 10:05 PM
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I hope you enjoyed the snow. I like snow, but I can't ski. They register as intellectual dignity That's how my mind works. My claim that Feminism controls the DV policy that was a hyperbolic simplification on my part because I didn't want to make my comment even longer. But I will explain. All the organisations you named are heavily influenced by feminist agents, feminist theory and ideas except for those that belong to the far right when it comes to DV policy. But when it comes to control, I'm …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/26 03:56 PM
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What I don't get is the desire to keep getting upset about it. Comparison is the thief of joy. Like sure it's a valid insecurity to have to be settled for as the safe option, but it's not this black and white in reality. Many safe options are still deeply loved and desired.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 08:41 AM
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They do social engineering to counter the existing social engineering that privileges men. Yeah but that's contradictory on some level. If you have the power to make institutions do social engineering in your favour, then you can no longer claim someone else has the power to use them against your favour. But clearly men see addressing an equality imbalance as discrimination bedause they are accustomed to privilege. Reality is far more complicated than that. You can't prove that this engineering …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 04:00 PM
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That depends on how you define a patriarchal society. "Doesn't take away" really obscures the difficulty of actually understanding the world imo. I think that even the academic theories of patriarchy don't really deal with this complexity very well. There's an inherent contradiction in activism too, because it usually centers around those considered injusticed. The problem is that having your injustice seen and addressed by society in the first place is already a privilege that seems to contradi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 03:26 PM
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This doesn't address the contradiction. Clearly if men were truly oppressive tyrants over women they wouldn't have been reachable by campaigns and protests and neither would some of them have participated in those protests themselves. And there's another contradiction, which is that men themselves have had to do the exact same thing for all of human history. Are men truly oppressive tyrants over men too, or is the conclusion that using "men" and "women" as unified groups doesn't actually make se…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 03:03 PM

Every counterargument and critique of your logic that could possibly be said have most likely already been exhausted He's probably frustrated because there isn't really a possible counterargument or logical chain of reasoning to be made that actually disproves the core of his claim. Only at the edges can counterarguments be made, because the core claim is just objectively correct by definition of the concept of inequality and basic mathematics. But that doesn't result in people being outraged, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 02:45 PM
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I don't think you're being fair towards him. Just pointing out the moral asymmetry does not magically change the reality we are forced to live in. Blaming them is not effective enough, it does not change the opinion of the population at large. This question should not be about blame in the first place but about strategy instead. It's not men's fault they struggle advocating for themselves but the reality is no one will magically come to save us from that fact. A group that is systemically mistre…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/26 08:06 AM
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Yes I have a question. How do you actually deal with the distinction between revealed and stated preference when it comes to this topic and how do you talk to people about it without them assuming you're being bad faith and "twisting words" or "reading things into it". I often feel like I'm not allowed to say that something is implied when I read feminist theory. I'm supposed to take everything literally on a sentence by sentence basis, and not form a holistic conclusion about the whole text.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/26 11:50 AM
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Sure, yes, I should clarify that when I describe claims at feminism being nuanced or complex as an excuse for low intellectual rigour, that is describing impact, not intent. Feminists in general would have to be cognisant in the first place of their ideological priors to be wilfully deceptive in that regard. That's fair. what if feminism’s core, axiomatic claims are just straight up wrong? What then? Are you prepared to wear the moral harm of what entails from acting on bad information? I think …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/26 09:54 AM
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This part of my analysis first arose when I zoomed out and asked myself, what does “nuanced” and “complexity” actually mean? I feel like it's kinda natural to wonder that for some of us who read social science papers. Because this goes deeper than just Feminism, oftentimes you see scientists using extremely difficult or rare words to describe something fairly simple just to show off basically. Not all of it is as enlightening as it wants to seem. And, once understood, every time a feminist appea…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/26 09:17 AM
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This is illustrated rather well by how one can rather predictably map feminist theory with limited exposure to foundational feminist dogma, because the way Foucaultian “powerknowledge” epistemologies progress is exactly as another commenter observed elsewhere: that evidence is found or fabricated to prove the theory rather than the theory adjusted in light of evidence and rigorous analysis. In short, my first observation: even in academia, feminist theory isn’t really that complex at heart, and …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/26 08:18 AM
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Thank you for writing this all. Of all the people who responded to this post the things you said here make the most sense to me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/26 08:00 AM
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They shouldn't. The tension comes from the fact that I can't automatically believe anyone who claims they do everything is being accurate in their assessment.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 06:14 AM
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Part 5 (the final part): Finally on empathy being oriented toward women: I struggle with that framing because historically, women received very little empathy at all for sexual harm, harassment or boundary violations. I understand, I struggle with that too. My own intuition is that empathy is not the all be all explanation and that other factors more than overcompensated for that historically. But I also feel like a male advocacy movement cannot make use of these things like feminism did, becaus…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/01/26 09:43 PM
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Part 4: I’m probably more of an Enlightenment optimist here than you are: I think humans can become aware of their own tendencies, not just individually, but collectively, and consciously correct for them. Yes and no. You're more optimistic in the sense that you believe people at large are capable of removing their own biases. But you're more pessimistic in the sense you think people will misuse any theory equally, but I'm more optimistic on that front because I believe smart design of the theor…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/01/26 09:02 PM
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Part 3: And the reality is that you can't actually talk about this on the level of society without people always bringing it back on the individual level and assuming the worst about you. Because doing this is a no go, you will be seen as someone who is projecting his personal frustrations, rather than as someone who is doing analysis. But the advice given on the individual level doesn't fix the societal problem, it just makes you better able to compete with other men when it comes to finding a …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/01/26 08:46 PM
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Part 2: Where I differ is that I don’t think cleanliness maps well onto how social problems actually get addressed. Well I don't think social problems men disproportionately suffer from actually get addressed currently. Neither do I even think women's problems get addressed to their maximum potential in the current approach. For example, there is reason to think the lack of support for men who experienced DV actually causes a part of the women who are murdered by their own partner. Because part …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/01/26 05:53 AM
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Part 1. It took me a while to integrate it all, I care about not skimming through it too much and addressing the things that you said properly as I value your style of conversation a lot. Thank you, I appreciate the effort and open mindedness. I also will need more time to think about everything you said and also to actually figure out how to phrase a lot of things that came to my mind while reading your comment so they make sense to someone who isn't me. So it's possible it will take a while be…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/26 01:53 PM
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I don't understand how one can believe that it's impossible to create a movement that strives for both sides equally, yet simultaneously believe that two separate movements can always perfectly counterbalance each other in such a way that their existence is still in alignment with the stated outcome goal of equality. I believe that is more difficult to achieve than creating one single movement. But because specific issues ask specific responses. This says nothing about how specific something sho…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/26 08:31 AM
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Part 4: Where we differ is that I don’t think the solution is to abandon its analytical tools entirely. Monopoly should be challenged by building alternatives, not by discarding useful diagnostics out of protest. That’s why I’m critical of male advocacy when it defines itself primarily as “anti-feminist.” Here I can follow your reasoning and also your conclusion. I also don't think male advocacy should be defined primarily as anti-feminist. But the reality is that feminists block those alternati…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/26 08:14 PM
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part 3 You also repeatedly frame support for women as necessarily worsening men’s position. No this is a strawman of my position. For example when you say “in those situations where women already have it better, further support makes men worse off.” I said in a relative sense because I'm linking it to the concept of equality. Absolute wellbeing can increase even when relative wellbeing decreases. That’s not an empirical fact, but it’s a narrative assumption. It presumes that social support is in…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/26 08:02 PM
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Part 2 People inevitably feel more drawn to certain issues (because of proximity, biography, skill set, or emotional resonance) I will agree with you that this can be the case on an individual level and your reasoning on that level makes sense. But on a societal level, emotional resonance is affected by the women are wonderful effect to such a degree that your perspective on activism can't fix my issues and guarantees I will face sexism as a man. I'm not saying this because I blame you or becaus…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/26 07:37 PM
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Part 1 think you’re still treating this as a zero-sum moral competition when that’s precisely the premise I reject. That's because you're misreading the meaning/goal of my arguments. I happen to align quite strongly with your dislike for zero sum thinking, in its broadest sense. I think a lot of nationalism and geopolitics employs zero sum thinking which gets framed as "rational selfishness" even when it's not rational at all for example. Clearly I have failed to communicate what I tried to say,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/26 06:54 PM
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That probably sounded confusing. What I'm saying is that currently there is no pluralism (which you and I agree on) and that feminism is now the dominant tool to understand equality, but that by just continuing to use that tool we do not get pluralism. What I'm questioning is whether continuing to use it just because it isn't useless just ends up supporting this kind of monopoly and whether this is worth it? I'm trying to make a moral analysis of what is the superior thing to do; keeping feminis…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/26 12:45 PM
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Feminism isn’t that goal, it’s one of several ways of trying to understand why the game still isn’t fair. I don’t experience those as competing categories. This is where I would challenge your thinking. In the sense that I don't think it's about experiencing in the first place. Rather, I think that a way of trying to understand being biased towards one gender can end up harming equality. Because there are multiple issues in society that harm men and women that can't be solved easily and where th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/26 09:38 AM
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I think this is where a lot of the apparent disagreement dissolves for me, because I don’t experience equalism and feminism as mutually exclusive categories in the first place. For me equalism is a value commitment (equality as an end goal). Feminism is one of several analytical traditions that tries to explain why that equality hasn’t been achieved yet, starting from women’s position in the system. But what guarantee is there that starting from anyone's position in the system leads to a framewo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/26 06:42 AM

Looks amazing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 03:19 PM
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Part 2/2: En dat is absoluut niet jou individuele fout. Ik vind het ook geen goede zaak hoe mensen hier steeds het slechtste aannemen wanneer feministen hier in debat gaan. Maar het is hun schuld eigenlijk ook niet, het probleem is volgens mij echt systematisch. Een intellectueel probleem, maar ook zoals je zegt, een cyclus van wederzijdse verharding en polarisatie. Als man denk ik veel meer dan enkel dat. Ik denk eveneens "dat weet ik al want dat vrouwen bang zijn van mannen heb ik al heel mijn…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/26 11:40 AM
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Part 1/2 Dan vind ik de manier waarop we onrecht aanklagen niet meer “strategisch”. Eens. Ik zou daar nog iets bij toevoegen, namelijk dat het perfect mogelijk is om niet akkoord te zijn met iemand over de mate van onrecht in een bepaalde situatie zonder dat 1 van beide personen in dat debat moreel verwerpelijk zijn. Een groot probleem is volgens mij dat mensen niet langer durven toegeven dat ze fout kunnen zijn of dat zulke dingen uberhaupt onzeker zijn, omdat dat meteen als een moreel falen be…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/26 11:11 AM
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Zelf heb ik naar mijn gevoel wel seksisme ervaren in mijn opleiding, al zou ik nooit durven beweren dat seksisme in België nog heel erg ingebakken zit. Ik denk dat wij zo dicht bij gender gelijkheid zitten dat het niet de moeite is om het op te blazen, al blijf ik graag precies. Als je het vergelijkt met andere landen zullen wij inderdaad dicht bij gender gelijkheid zitten. Maar denk eigenlijk persoonlijk dat seksisme nog altijd de default is bij de meeste mensen zelfs al beweren ze van niet, zo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/26 08:04 AM
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I’m wondering if the confusion comes from me using the term “intersectional feminist” there… I only meant that to signal that I’m taking the racial axis seriously in that part of the discussion, not that I’m assuming gender inequality in every context or defending unexamined interventions. Intersectional feminism means that I’m trying to take multiple axes of inequality seriously at the same time (particularly race, class and gender) without assuming that any single axis automatically explains e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/26 10:02 PM
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I don't believe in gatekeeping. No one owns a hobby and has the right to prevent someone else from participating. I hold the same beliefs when it comes to cultural appropriation, as far as I'm concerned it's not a real thing. No one owns a culture either. One thing I will say is that once a space flips from male dominated to female dominated there is suddenly more censorship and indirect communication. I don't feel as happy in those places, is the most honest thing I can say.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 04:50 PM

I can't relate. My dick does the exact opposite. I find it hot when a woman disagrees with me and/or holds me accountable for a mistake I made. That's how I know I have a partner and not a dependent.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 03:15 PM
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Being concerned for your own safety and taking precautions is valid. Hating a whole group of people based on an immutable characteristic is not and neither is making negative generalisations about that whole group of people to the point you try to make them feel collective guilt. This really isn't complicated. Trauma and fear doesn't remove accountability from your behavior regardless of your gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 03:09 PM
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So my concern isn’t whether inequality is real or whether intervention is justified (I don’t doubt either, if I did calling myself an intersectional feminist would be a scam). Why? I live in the same country as you and I saw how my female friend's professor told people to hire her as a PhD student in an official document just because she's a woman. My friend is very smart and hardworking and didn't need such a thing, however I do think such clear hiring decisions based on gender should be critic…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/26 11:52 AM
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Do you have any examples where the framework does include some kind of limits? Because my view is that the framework is limitless by design, so if that's the case then it seems to me like it necessarily does follow from the framework in its current form. That doesn't mean it's impossible to have a patriarchy harms men to explanation with clearly defined limits but as far as I'm aware that simply doesn't exist currently, whether academically or in the popular discourse. The only thing I see is "w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/26 07:00 AM
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Well judging by the current state of the world this isn't exactly working out well or is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 07:52 PM
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Where I differ is that I see this as a failure of application and incentive structures, not proof that the framework cannot function analytically at all. Why though? I agree that naive falsificationism as proposed by Popper doesn't work however to me it seems clear that in this case the framework itself encourages this type of failed application. If your theory is so open to fitting any datapoint even those that would contradict each other you create a downward spiral towards such failed applica…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/26 04:11 PM
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The issue here is that "serious feminist theory" is mostly confined in academic papers, while "strawman feminists" are the majority of the one you find in blogs/articles and in social media. I don't agree with this. The academic papers are also often written by these strawman feminists. Serious feminist theory does erase class in favour of gender, and they don't need to openly say so to do so. What they don't write about in comparison to what they do write about shows this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/26 03:57 PM
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Yeah, ans we built those ourselves and advocated for ourselves. Men are the ones who put us in those shelters and gave us a reason to need one I never understand this argument. When looking historically y'all constantly frame men building something exclusive for themselves as oppression, sexist, exclusionary, unfair etc. But somehow when women build something for themselves and exclude men from those things it's something admirable and "self-made". It doesn't change the fact that the outcome of …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:12 PM

Its just being kind and nice is the bare minimum too. How though? Do you think the majority of people are kind? I'd even argue with how the word kind is defined in many places it's impossible for it to be bare minimum by definition. Because when someone is called kind, it usually implies "kinder than the average person" or "kinder than other people I know". There's so many people with personality disorders, general selfishness, lack of emotional intelligence, excessive insecurities, emotional in…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 09:26 AM
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It's possible I'm in the minority I don't know. I have never experienced "blue balls" personally, although science says it is a real thing and can actually hurt for some men. But I don't think it justifies going mad. I kind of have the opposite problem. I can't always finish because my mind is scared of losing control because I have shame regarding my sexuality. And then I start thinking about how the woman I'm with might blame herself if I don't finish, which gives me performance anxiety and ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 07:10 AM
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What's funny about it? There's so many examples of this. Men being expected to go to war, to fight off intruders, to protect women, to work long and hard hours to provide for their family, to ignore their own emotions, to do the dangerous tasks etc. Men are socialized to express love and care through self-sacrifice through the hero fantasy that is fed to them. Now I personally think the female gender role requires just as much as sacrifices. But arguing this is something uniquely female doesn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 10:46 PM
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Imagine how most dudes would react if women didn’t care if they finished every time or not. They’d go mental. Would they? I don't think I would to be honest. I don't mind not finishing each time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 10:37 PM
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Men are somewhat naturally selfish and women are socialized to be self-sacrificial These kinds of claims always confuse me. Isn't self sacrifice something that is mainly associated with the male gender role?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 10:35 PM
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Most advice given towards men in life in general is quite bad because most people including men themselves give less empathy towards other men and most people get emotional satisfaction from painting a narrative to men that it's their own fault because it confirms their own cultural narrative. Gender roles harm men far more than people are willing to admit. When I was in an abusive relationship when I searched for advice people were hellbend on making it into a "well what you did you do to make …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 04:19 PM
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I will give some real advice supported by science. Stop setting some grand dating or relationship ambition or goal. You will get overly nervous and will try to force women to like you. The hobby advice is actually good, because it's better to find joy in the moment and try new things rather than obsess about a big long term goal. The stepping stones towards finding a good partner cannot be known in advance. It's random interactions that determine which people you meet, but you increase your chan…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 01:05 PM

Intelligence/emotional intelligence, voice.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 09:13 AM
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I definitely agree. Sometimes easier said than done though. Many people are shamed from a young age, myself included unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 04:56 PM
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Being in the actual dominant role without being a violent asshole is an extremely loving thing to do to someone else but people aren't ready to hear that. I have a theory that being dominant is how you express love for someone else and being submissive is how you feel loved by someone else. And this extends far beyond just sexually. Your parents are a dominant figure in your life as a child and they can either show you that you're loved by not abusing this power or they can show you you're unlov…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 03:59 PM
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Says who? Based on what evidence? My personal perception/experience is the exact opposite. Where I live (Western Europe) I feel like the culture considers women's preferred manner of communication in romantic relationships the correct/right communication style. There is far more of an expectation on men to adjust to that than in reverse. Telling men to be more indirect, careful and validating in their communication style is considered very common and normal relationship advice. Meanwhile suggest…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 11:55 AM
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That doesn't make sense. Having to change your communication style does create constant additional work. I don't even agree with your premises but even if I follow them your conclusion doesn't make sense. Communication is work just like anything else in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 08:51 AM

Western society emotionally neglects boys and teaches girls to be overly docile and indirect in their communication. Neither of these things are great imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 08:56 PM
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Overly exaggerated imo but it still contains a kernel of truth imo. Even if I don't completely agree, this alternative explanation as pushback to the most popular one was very much needed. The whole idea that men expect women to do emotional labour for them because they don't have as big of a social circle is not completely without merit, but it kind of takes some very questionable assumptions for granted, such as that men generate as much emotional labour for the people around them as women do …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 01:47 AM
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My counter is that it's a human problem. Both men and women do it to other men, and men even do it to themselves. I'm speaking from experience unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 01:32 AM
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Both men and women also belong to the group of "human" which makes this point moot.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 01:29 AM
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Yeah effort. But not necessarily effort done for expressing affection towards their partner. You can have a woman taking care of the house who still treats you with indifference and as a placeholder. You can have a man be a breadwinner and still treat you with indifference and as a placeholder. There's far more to relationships than just doing chores or providing financially.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 10:13 PM
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I mean, I'm someone with the opinion that it's problematic that unpaid labour (and even unpaid consumption) doesn't get properly valued in our society so that's not the reason why I didn't see the relevance. Doing household chores is labour that should be valued but it doesn't necessarily say much about how much someone loves you and sees you as special. That's why I was confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 09:12 PM
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That seems irrelevant to the comment they made
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 06:12 PM
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Truly being “irreplaceable” is actually a toxic codependent dynamic. I'm glad someone said it. I found this out the hard way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 06:06 PM
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Yeah just like how they see the genders associated with it. Men do things out of choice, women are acted upon by their environment. They perpetuate the same gender bias they claim to find problematic
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/25 10:54 AM
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Why do so many women on this subreddit act like they are some innocent individual that was somehow forced into the gender war with no agency at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 09:46 PM

That phrase is annoying because it presupposes someone is privileged in the first place. It's a phrase on the level of "none of your criticism matters to me because you're just a hater". It's just a way to dismiss what someone's saying based on an ad hominem rather than on the merit of their argument. The assumption that any skewing towards a gender is the result of discrimination and should be corrected is also problematic. It creates a situation where no group of people is allowed to be better…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 09:43 PM

I think it is more nuanced than what you're making it seem. What if his pleasure depends on being able to please you without using certain toys? Validation is a form of pleasure itself. Things like vibrators are fine as far as I'm concerned but things like penis sleeves are icky to me. I don't think it's absurd that someone feels this way. But that's my view.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 07:00 PM

... people wanting to feel like they are good enough is absurd to you???
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 06:52 PM

It depends on the type of toy. But also, I'm kinda tired of people making it seem like it's never okay to have an ego thing. You have an ego for a reason, both having too little and too much of it is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 06:43 PM
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Respectfully but how? How do you think there's no one who thinks that? I feel it all the time myself too. When I'm out with my girlfriend or a female friend people treat me way better than if I'm out alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 07:36 AM
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You could also argue that the government enforcing alimony is making traditional relationships more competitive than they'd otherwise be. If alimony didn't exist you'd be a fool to decide to be a SAHP. But my problem with alimony is not the paying of money itself it's that I feel like it's an attack on the autonomy of the past breadwinner. Meaning the idea that you have to provide a lifestyle you had in the past. It practically means you're not allowed to change your life anymore. What if you do…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:44 AM
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Depends on how you define good. That's such a vague word that it's almost impossible to debate anything about it. I agree no one picks a partner mainly because they lack evilness. But men who can't find a partner are often implied to be evil so there's a lot wrong with the messages that are being given to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:50 PM
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I don't see the world in a simple binary of good and evil. Most men are average on the spectrum just like most women. They are selfless sometimes selfish other times. Most men are not excessively cruel and violent but most men aren't extremely wholesome either.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:35 PM
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less interested in compensating SAHPs or breadwinner parents for their respective sacrifices, and more interested in ensuring both parties have their financial stability covered in the future, regardless of whether the marriage persists. But that favours one party over the other even if that's not the intention. I'd argue that instead the government should ensure no one ends in poverty regardless of the reasons why
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:31 PM
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Imo no, they should get something but it's also kind of immoral to force someone to continue to work to provide a lifestyle they had in the past. Like imagine you're a breadwinner doing a taxing but high paying job for 10 years and then realizing it's bad for your health and that you wanna do something else even if it means a downgrade to your lifestyle. But then you can't because you're forced to pay alimony to maintain a previous lifestyle. This is a form of slavery of sorts. I think we should…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 03:01 PM
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There's one problem though. Breadwinners sacrifice as well, namely their own health and emotional wellbeing, and connection and closeness towards their kids. Should we take this into account as well when calculating alimony? Because otherwise the breadwinner loses if you only focus on the lost financial value.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 02:53 PM

No. That's a type of value or belief system I don't respect. And it can literally put me in danger to be partnered with someone like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 12:02 PM
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It's even worse for relationship advice when you're already in a relationship. Both men and women will give you advice that will make you remain stuck in an abusive relationship if you're unlucky enough to have picked someone abusive. The whole shtick is basically "you're a man so you're responsible for how she feels no matter how unreasonable". It's way better to figure this out for yourself than to listen to anyone in my experience
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:59 AM
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In general men in abusive relationships could leave those relationships without a fear of being beaten, raped or murdered as a result. But you can get thrown in jail for a false accusation, or in some countries become homeless by being thrown out of your own house and lose access to your kids. Even when you call the police yourself there's a reasonable chance you will be arrested yourself. Your reputation and career can be ruined just by words and very few people will ever believe you. I swear p…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 12:03 AM
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I think I fundamentally disagree that peoples emotions such as anger are mainly determined by how they think about the purpose of others. It might influence it somewhat but it's not the main driver of someone being mad. I think it's more accurate that people who are staying mad do so either because they don't feel like their needs are being met, or they have lived through traumatic experiences caused by that other group or people they are mad at. Or sometimes they are mad at something else entir…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 11:47 PM
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I'm not bitter at all but I'm still told these things from time to time and I'm 27
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 07:19 PM

It's almost as if the small minority of rich men with power don't care about the majority of other men who don't have any more power than you do. This is not a case of not getting it, it's a case of not wanting to get it because you're being to stubborn to change your belief system.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 12:33 PM

I was agreeing with your title but in your post you're still doing the same thing that pushes men away. There is no need for endlessly going over the suffering of other groups before you're allowed to speak about men. Same with calling men more privileged than women. Based on what and defined by who? The concept of aggregated privilege is very subjective when there is mutual sexism in both directions. This kind of overconfidence in assessing that women have it objectively worse is what has ruine…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 12:20 PM
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Emotional support, someone who warms your heart, cuddles, kisses, shared vacations and trips, a unique perspective on life and an opportunity for growth, shared division of labour, a family, ... Y'all's views are self- fulfilling prophecies
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 03:28 PM
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yeah as someone from Europe this is alienating to read.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 09:18 PM
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But if you (or anyone) think of all feminism as all men as perpetrators and all women as victims then we’re not even discussing the same frameworks. Because that's what it often comes down to. Have you never heard of the Duluth model? Have you read feminist papers in criminology and sociology? I have, because I was abused by a female partner when I was just 21. I was looking for answers because I realized how much the messages I received culturally caused me to stay far longer than I should have…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 09:35 PM
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Again a lot of things you seem to see as underlying themes in feminism, are outside of my understanding of it at all? I don't understand this. Women can’t commit domestic violence? Men aren’t victims of patriarchy (and women can’t enforce it as well)? ANYTIME women are underrepresented it’s discrimination (no nuance, no intersectionality)? All men are powerful Yeah that's what most of it comes down to, if you aren't overly generous in your interpretation of the cases where they will write "well …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 08:56 PM
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You can disagree with parts of an idea, or the implementation of an idea, or even the common beliefs of an idea, and still believe in the idea itself. That’s why I like to be precise in what I actually believe in from any school of thought. But isn't this naive and impractical? I'm not a communist exactly because I believe it's implementation requires so much authoritarianism that I think it will always fail. Believing in a theoretical idea that can never become real can be kinda irresponsible i…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 07:45 PM
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However, to use an example, just because I believe the United States does representative democracy in a flawed manner, and has flawed beliefs surrounding representative democracies, doesn’t mean I disagree with the theory of representative democracies overall. I understand your point, but this gets used to just remove any responsibility. It's like with communism, I'm leftwing myself but this argument "well the sovjet union was not true communism" is annoying for the same reason. I don't like no …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 06:32 PM
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I mean reading academic feminism and observing feminists at the universities I have studied and worked at? Like am I supposed to ignore how sexist and unscientific their theories about domestic violence are? How they teach police to arrest men by default even when they are the victim? How they engage in nothing less than scientific fraud by misusing statistics to support their unfounded theories? How they intimidate scientists (including with violence) who demonstrate the problems with their the…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 05:24 PM
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But academic feminism is similar... I don't get why people pretend this is some kind of online phenomenon
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:31 PM
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In my case I just disagree with what you're claiming it is. You're being overconfident in your ability to know what anything truly is. I think your interpretation of what feminism is here is highly idealistic, naive and theoretical. It doesn't align with the actions that have actually been taken in its name. Whether feminism does or does not attack men as a social group is very dependent on interpretation and how much you trust people. In my experience many people intellectualize and rationalize…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:30 PM
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It would be nice if you gave actual arguments for your position, because what you have done now is merely describe what your opinion is and called someone else dumb for disagreeing. Society has created two different classes based on gender: men and women and men are inherently at the top of this hierarchy. When a woman conforms to the patriarchy, it comes only at the cost of herself, maybe to other women through some judgement but that doesn't even necessarily have to be the case. And women conf…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/25 08:22 AM
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Most casual sex as in just the amount or with how many different people? Because this is a different metric.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 09:58 AM
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Play stupid games, win stupid prices.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 09:53 AM
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A problem is also is that you don't have to be brought to court to have your reputation damaged.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 09:50 AM
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This assumes sexual selection selects favourable traits regarding survival, which is not always the case. I'd even argue that the men women select naturally contributed to patriarchy developing in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 05:35 AM
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But you expressing a value judgement on all of this is nurture. You think one situation is immoral and the other isn't. Biology doesn't have that. Nothing is supposed to happen. I think you can see a fascist leader as a the nurture form of cancer.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 09:04 PM
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The social norms in communities eventually developed into patriarchies though and then started evolving back towards a more neutral state so I still don't see how they are supposed to be anything. I don't see how you can even separate nurture from nature here, as ideas and norms also evolve in a evolutionary manner.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 08:29 PM
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There's absolutely nothing in biology that says anyone is supposed to be able to freely select their mates or that evolution should select a particular outcome. Genetic drift and rape exist in nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 08:03 PM
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I have no clue what point you're trying to make
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 07:54 PM

I don't understand the glorification of social skills on this subreddit tbh. Or maybe it's that I feel like those people usually described as having many social skills are just really extroverted people with little conscience who don't mind lying to others. Rarely does it seem to include awareness of your oan emotions, self-control and the ability to apologise and self-improve. So why would I want to have "social skills" if these are often not included?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 02:46 PM

Doesn't align at all with my experiences. Almost every woman I have ever met enjoyed listening to me talk about my passions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 11:37 AM
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Knowing better what's good for someone than he knows himself is just a general problem in academia, to be honest. Academia tries to solve problems, but hereby, it also runs into questionable terrain because did people even ask for their problems to be solved? What if someone doesn't want their problems to be solved for them? You can see this in food policy and what happened during the covid pandemic. The question of what is good is extremely hard to answer. If I want to eat unhealthy food and li…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 10:43 AM
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I mean, one problem also is that studies consistently find that most people assign more agency towards men. This implies that blaming men, rather than women, is the default behaviour both in women and men themselves. So it really comes across to me as if people are just upset when people don't blame men, so they accuse them of blaming women. It's projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 09:38 AM
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Nothing in biology or nature is supposed to be. Your own argument eats it's own tail but you don't seem to realize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 08:49 AM
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I'm genuinely confused where people are seeing all these men blaming women for their loneliness. This is talked about so often, but it's always a woman starting the convo, I have never actually seen a man talk about loneliness and blame it on women. It seems to be more so that people are far to quick to assume men are blaming women when they are just complaining about their life, and not pretending like everything is the fault of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 07:58 AM

If she loves you enough this would work
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 06:43 PM

I don't cheat because 1) I'm not an asshole and recognise the impact my actions have on my loved ones 2) Cheating creates drama and suffering for myself. I don't want to get yelled at or having to remember my own lies
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 06:37 PM
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Then why don't I see this happen in society around me? Monogamy is still the default.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 06:24 PM
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This another one of these solutions that will make it worse, which will then be used as a reason to double down even further. The tragedy of modern society is doing things that don't work and just doubling down because it looks/feels good.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/25 08:49 AM
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I'm 27 and recently broke up with my gf of 4 years. And I feel old, there's not enough time in this life to love.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:06 PM
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I think men should learn something from feminists in this case. They should stop finding it okay to be pushed in the provider role so easily without conversation about fairness and division of labour.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 07:14 PM
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I am a man, did you miss this?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 06:18 PM
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I don't understand this angle. Women wanting to have autonomy over their lives is a reasonable request. Obviously, this means more negotiation is needed in relationships about dividing the labour. Why would you not be allowed to want the autonomy to pick the job you want and also want a relationship where the division of labour is discussed in a productive manner? This isn't unreasonable to want. It sounds sexist because it is sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 05:25 PM
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What’s ironic is that women also grow up realizing some deeply uncomfortable things about men, and while we don’t like these discoveries, we generally learn to navigate them without turning them into an ideology built on resentment. I agree with your criticism of red pillers being outraged but I don't understand this claim. The popular branches of feminism clearly express resentment towards men. This is clearly also an example of an ideology built on resentment just as much as the redpill or man…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 08:18 AM
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Thats just one interpretation. My interpretation is that a woman who says that is sexist and chronically online. Which seems to be supported by the fact that older women are less likely to pick the bear even though they grew up in a time where there was more crime and less attention for sexual violence towards women. If women saying this was just a response to men harming them, you'd expect to see the opposite pattern of older women being more likely to say "bear"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 06:40 AM
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Boring is a term used by those who themselves are boring... oh wait...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 06:09 AM
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Real
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:00 PM
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I don't see how someone could know someone did this. I still don't see what you'd gain in those situations from shaming someone for having feelings for you. Just be polite but clear towards them, and take it as a compliment. This shit really isn't hard
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:20 PM
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If a female friend accuses you of betrayal and tries to make you ashamed of yourself rather than processing it like a mature adult just because you happened to develop feelings for (something you can't control) then she's a shitty friend. Normal people are surprised, and then maybe disappointed for a few days, and then they get over it. This shouldn't be such a complicated debate topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:01 PM
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Nah, you can be victim and still be a person outside of it who can learn and take accountability. You don't help an abuse victim by reducing their identity to a victim and keeping them stuck there. This only prolongs their suffering. I say this as a man who faced abuse far worse than what OP describes here before.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 05:55 PM
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Yeah no, human intuition is a real and studied thing. It's just not infallible and it depends on the context whether it works or not. That context is the thing that is debatable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:45 AM
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What I don't get is, it seems obvious to me that we live in a world where women are discriminated against. Based on what I've heard from women both online and in my personal life, the majority of women have faced harassment and/or violence at the hands of men. The majority of sex crimes and violent crimes are committed by us and the majority of victims are women. Women can't walk down the street safely at night because of men. Most people in positions of power are male. Most people here don't de…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/08/25 09:29 AM
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Maybe that is a blessing though since you seemed pretty upset at the time that you wrote this. Definitely. I'm not that upset anymore though. I am also working on the assumption the book you're talking about is The Will to Change since that is where most of Bell Hook's Pro-men stances come from. A book I quite liked :( It was "feminism is for everybody". As far as I can tell in my research Hooks doesn't claim her books are scientific. My problem with that is that some claims Hooks makes become b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/25 09:52 PM
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I know, but I'm just saying there is an extra layer to the dismissiveness. They do say that to dismiss their concerns, but they simultaneously also don't really want therapy and attached social science fields to be improved. They want it to contain the bias it currently has. Yet they don't see either how they are shooting themselves in the foot. Having independent institutions and care is extremely important, regardless of your political orientation. Thinking otherwise because you think your tea…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 01:12 PM
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I agree. I'm just saying people who say "go to therapy" are often not taken seriously because their intentions are dubious. Especially the ones on this subreddit basically just think anyone who doesn't feel about things the same way they do is in need of therapy. It's an euphemistic way of saying "if only you weren't mentally ill you'd agree with me"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 12:55 PM
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It's also because therapy has a bias problem against men especially in the US. For some reason those people telling men to go to therapy almost never want to talk about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 12:27 PM
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Of all the concepts feminists have come up with, emotional labour is really the one I find the most perplexing. Because the idea that women do more of that is genuinely alienating if I think about everything I have observed or experienced in my life. Of all the concepts this really is the one with the least truth or accuracy to it.
/r/EverydayMisandry30/07/25 06:19 AM
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I don't even disagree necessarily, I don't like most MRA's either whatsoever. But all that shows me is that the standards for expressing love, compassion and understanding towards men are completely in the gutter. I express far more of those things towards literally everyone, and I'm not so egotistical to think I'm exceptional at all. Bell Hooks writings are offensive. Whatever the fuck most MRA's, redpillers and others write is also offensive. I expect more from people than whatever we currentl…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 01:03 PM
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There is a whole subsection of feminists who do push the concept of healthy masculinity defined on their terms. So they already don't agree with me. Then there is a whole subsection of feminists who theoretically agree with my conclusions but don't practice what it preaches and do push for what they themselves would call patriarchal gender roles/expectations just in a rebranded way. I get that making assumptions about what people think can easily end up in strawmans and/or dogwhistles but the re…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 10:26 AM
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I have read multiple Bell Hooks books and it's literally filled with pseudoscientific, overly confident and misandrist claims. I'm so confused that people don't understand that it's offensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 07:51 AM
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That just leads to the conclusion that most people who call themselves feminists are lying and aren't actually feminists. Which I think becomes so confusing that it makes conversations impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 07:49 AM
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You definitely do have a point, especially since this post is hyperbolic. But at the same time, it feels like for y'all, you're just not allowed to make any aggregated conclusions about a group of people because they don't literally say those conclusions out loud. When that conclusion could easily just be the implication of their actions and beliefs on the aggregate without them explicitly saying as such. The weirdest thing about that is that you (not personal you) seem to understand this when i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 07:36 AM
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"Where did (insert group they like) do/say that. That's a strawman. No one says that. That's not what (insert group they like) means." Simultaneously "(Group I dislike) hates (group I belong to) because of propaganda and its sad" No one here cares what is true lol. If it goes against their own side you need to give mathematical proof for something that is obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 05:15 AM
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think a lot of people identify as feminists and take the surface-level lessons from it without fostering the understanding/compassionate spirit and the critical thinking required to integrate a feminist perspective into a more comprehensive worldview, especially regarding contemporary issues (because the social landscape has changed significantly in the last five years or so). I'd find this argument acceptable if academic feminist and those feminists in lobby organisations didn't lack such under…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 08:31 PM
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I appreciate how well thought-out your response is and that you meaningfully engaged with what I said. Likewise, thank you for being civil and good faith. But there are things and experiences they can’t understand or speak to – which could be complex or incredibly simple. If I understand it correctly you're making the argument that women can't fully understand what is like to be male, so therefore they can't create "masculinity". I think this argument is partly valid, but it only proves that men…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 05:02 PM
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About the last point specifically: toxic masculinity IS something that men create for themselves. Masculinity in general is something men create for themselves. How can you prove that they create it for themselves? Why should we believe only men create "masculinity" when women have disproportionate power over the socialisation of children? How can you argue that any individual creates it for themselves when their are countless pressures in the environment to push you into being certain way? The …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 06:48 AM

But the thing is there are too many cases of incels or men who do just outright hate women or have a personal vendetta against them causing extreme harm in a way that just dosent compare to men. This is mostly the result of social media outrage making you think like this. Don't get me wrong, incels and the manosphere is very toxic and you're right to be concerned about it. But it doesn't really cause a significant amount of women to be murdered. That doesn't mean they can't harm women, they can …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 01:43 PM

See I disagree with this because I believe this is to some extent build into feminist theories/worldviews. So you can have a perfectly decent, kind feminist woman but she still does believe women are superior without consciously deciding to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 09:53 AM

For one, there are no studies that link misandry as a direct link to more female homicide and SA besides a few one off cases that aren’t enough to create a concrete link, This proves the opposite of what you think it does. There is no strong empirical evidence that misogyny causes homicides either, as the personal characteristics of the perpetrator are usually a far superior predictor compared to something vague like "misogyny". Most men who kill women in the west are men with personality disord…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 09:46 AM

Please point me to mainstream feminist sources that “rabidly advocate” that women are superior to men? They do say that implicitly without directly phrasing it like that. Feminists endlessly invent concepts/theories with no scientific basis to make it seem like women are superior to men. Just a list of examples: × Men created this system (with the implication the system is bad, and the scientific impossibility of identifying one single point in time when a whole society was created) which implie…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 09:30 AM

I agree with this. But isn't the exact same thing true for a lot of Western women in the feminist movement?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 09:19 AM
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It never evolved from serfdom and it still shows today unfortunately
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 10:33 AM
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Russian culture seems like the best example of wasted potential. They used to have the best scientists and works of art, all ruined by authoritarian bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 09:18 PM
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Do you have a favourite computer science subject?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 05:26 AM
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The problem with conscription is that these men don't give something to women per se. It's more about giving your time to the government. Yeah but in the case of South-Korea it provides protection against North-Korea invading and in North-Korea no one and especially not women have any rights. It also gives women an artificial advantage in the education system and the job market. There used to exist some compensation mechanisms for men when it comes to this, but feminists lobbied to reduce or rem…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 05:22 AM
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Hey, yeah I have been busy with work. I still read some posts from time to time but rarely reply because I honestly no longer waste my time on overly emotional arguments anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 04:44 PM
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Yeah it does. It reinforces gender roles and encourages something I would describe as a complementarity mindset. It creates an expectation that women should give something back in return for this and when that doesn't happen it results in anger that can end in misogyny. Also, the completely inconsistent way Korean feminists respond to this issue reduces the moral authority of their arguments. The "equality" argument loses value when the person using it only cares about it when it suits them. I t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 03:28 PM
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Whether it excuses it is not really that interesting, it causes it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 03:12 PM
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In some respects they are and in others they are not.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 02:29 PM
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Yeah, that's a special type of unintended comedy
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 02:26 PM
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I agree for the most part, with the caveat that the two conservative options are not just as awful, they are more awful, and have the potential to be way way more awful including eroding democratic institutions completely. But this awfulness is not directly related to gender issues, it's just awful as a general ideology.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 02:24 PM
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I’m just not sure why a lot of men (on the internet, really) feel the need to bring up their own issues as a response to women talking about theirs. I think this has a very simple explanation. For decades women's issues have been centered by powerful institutions, even going as far as human issues being reframed as women's issues which meant the men suffering from those same issues where harmed in the process, while men's issues were neglected But when anyone tried to talk about that they were i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 10:45 AM
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I think this subreddit tunnelvisions on feminism too much and ignores how bad conservatives are for men. But simultaneously some of us are too charitable to feminism, seemingly in a desperate attempt to be deemed good faith. Like academic feminism is just pretty bad, from to pov of someone who cares about men, but also from the pov of someone who cares about the integrity of scientific disciplines.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 06:38 AM
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I struggle to understand this take because I work in academia too and have observed how feminism is taught there, as well as reading academic feminist papers and I fail to see how that isn't almost just as bad as what is posted online.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 05:39 AM
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This is only true if you have no ambition in life besides having as much sex partners as possible. Which isn't the case for me, and also not for many other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 07:50 AM
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This is a completely unscientific perspective, there is no evidence to believe this is true.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/25 04:23 PM
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Conscription is framed as misogyny, to create these outcomes by design.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/25 04:20 PM
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The influence feminism has over academia is a serious problem and way more of a systemic issue than individual traumatic experiences. It causes men who experienced trauma to be forced into silence.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/25 04:05 PM
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You could argue those things are the result of changing material conditions. But also vice versa. All these variables are correlated and we don't have an endless sets of experiment worlds so isolating causes is very hard unfortunately
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 01:31 PM
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It's also urbanisation and transitioning from agrarian economy to manufacturing and service economies.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 10:39 AM
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I hate how fake society is in general. Its all about being perceived as good rather than actually being good.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 10:01 AM
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The worst part to me seems to be the idea that a world is automatically better run if there is way less violence/aggression when the world can easily be terribly run without much violence. China's doesn't have that much violence or crime but it's deeply authoritarian and its filled with oppression because of it. Additionally it doesn't even discuss possible positive effects of this "male surplus" they are talking about. I don't support unnecessary suffering but competition does breed innovation …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/25 01:24 PM
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This is how these conversations always go. Someone lays out why and how they disagree with patriarchy, and the response is always "you didn't understand it". But that's not what it is. They understand what you wrote but they are just unconvinced by it. You can have reading comprehension and still disagree with what you just read.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/25 01:31 PM
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The teachers sub is filled with people who have problematic attitudes towards boys. But it tracks with my own experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 12:57 PM
1

Nice, good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 06:00 AM

What degree?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 04:57 AM
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If men are only “””allowing””” us rights, then none of the privileges that are inherent to women are privileges. If someone else is controlling our autonomy and agency, we cannot be privileged. Why? You can argue this for every single privilege because as an individual your autonomy and agency is always controlled by other people according to this reasoning. My right to make autonomous decisions only exists because other people in government allow it, that does not make it not be a privilege rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 09:36 AM
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These kinds of posts are among the most bizzare I see online. You're effectively blaming men for caring about women at all instead of ruthlessly exploiting them. So let me get this straight just because most Western men don't want to exploit women, they have no right to complain about their issues or the unfairness they face? I don't think you understand what this type of thinking implies.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 07:53 AM
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Creating/supporting a domestic violence policy that excludes and stigmatises male victims, spreading misinformation about domestic violence and rape, teaching law enforcement to arrest men by default in domestic disputes even when they are the victims. Encouraging discrimination in the education system by selectively applying affirmative action and educational reform so that women are advantaged, with little concern for fairness, consistency, or the disadvantages men face in it. Fighting against…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 08:53 PM
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Yeah but the men who make posts like this have the exact same excuse for their behavior. I don't like the dramatic and hyperbolic ways this is always discussed here but I think that it's just factually accurate that western men's support for feminism has been abused, which has ultimately eroded this support. And the end result is worse for both men and women so here we are in a worse outcome for all but no one wants to take responsibility for it. Just shed blame to the other side to win ideologi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 05:26 PM
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It also means that the people (men but also women with integrity) that exist in those academic spaces feel really uncomfortable challenging it because it invites bullying.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/25 10:19 PM
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This extends even further to other things as well, for example: 1) Parents who are abusive to their kids. If it's a mother doing it they will be excused far more often due to the circumstances they are in. I have some female friends who had very bad mothers, and they also say their trauma is often not taken seriously because a woman caused it. 2)Men usually had less choice over their reproduction, which would actually make it make sense that they'd struggle more with fatherhood because there wil…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/25 08:59 PM
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I don't see how he lied. The circumstances are barely different from how he described it if I'm assuming they were what you said they were.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 09:09 AM
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I just don't understand how there are circumstances here that are relevant. That said, it's a fact that women get lesser sentences for the same crimes than men do. I'm not sure what the appropriate sentence would be, but the relative differences are the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 07:57 AM
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You don't set someone on fire because of a few negative comments lmao. What am I reading again on this app.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 07:53 AM
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Yeah my own university changed how they grade multiple choice exams because it caused women to have lower grades. Because originally you would receive higher grades if you left a question blank than if you answered wrongly, which causes way more women to leave questions open than men, making their grades decrease relatively. The problem with this is that this is a form of a soft skill, confidence, which in this case gets removed from the grade, but this is only done when removing it positively a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 07:37 AM

Most people without being consciously aware that they are doing it. The key thing is that they don't perceive them as victims unless it's the most extreme and clear version of abuse. Once they perceive you as an actual victims they usually don't blame you, the problem is the bar to be perceived as such is far too high.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 07:09 PM
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What if we believe this is more common because of our life experiences?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 06:40 PM
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If her reason for exposing him is selfish, self-serving and bitter so what, it's still true. Not necessarily. People of all genders usually frame their exes as worse than they actually were. The exceptions to this rule are rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 06:37 PM
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Women are mostly taught to avoid conflict and to create harmony, whether with men or with other women. While that can definitely argued to be a negative thing for them, it's not the same as "prioritising men's comfort".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 03:36 PM

Breaking Reddit TOS
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 05:15 PM
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Assuming this is actually true (which is debatable) I just had the shower thought that maybe this is caused by unpaid domestic work not being properly valued in society. If you take the traditional division of labour, then men contribute more financially while women contribute more in domestic work. But with financial contribution you can accumulate wealth over time while you can't accumulate domestic work. You can't accumulate domestic resources for years ahead. This means that if an illness in…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 10:22 AM

Listen, not hear.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 03:40 PM
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If you only care about equality when it favours you then you didn't actually care about equality in the first place either, it's equally true in reverse (if not more).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 04:59 AM

Scandinavia seems like the better option then
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 06:47 AM
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That's actually really smart lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 02:50 PM
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The best option for dealing with those people is to walk away. It doesn't matter that you're right, they won't care anyway.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/25 04:27 PM
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Being well-behaved isn't toxic. My point is that the definition of being well-behaved is not automatically ideal and that it can be toxic, demanding unearned obedience for example and in my experience the education system does exactly that. It's also kinda bizzare and wasteful to me that being well-behaved as a kid plays a definitive role in the judgement of your potential intellectual abilities as an adult. Most schools draw the line at behavior that harms or distracts other children from being…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 02:18 PM
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Assuming that what you said is true, how is it very relevant? I don't think an education system that sets back children that happen to be boys who will become equally smart adults is productive nor fair. My experience is also that "emotional maturity" is very often used as an euphemism for demanding toxic levels of obedience. Something that is also expected from little girls which I think harms their mental health in the long run. I also don't think it means ingaging in intellectual fraud is in …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 12:32 PM
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Because if you do this as a guy your reputation is immediately ruined while a woman can do this and basically be infantilized. But that doesn't really help that woman nor the people around her.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 05:11 AM
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I don't understand this response. None of what you said (and the claim that women are better students is very controversial considering women aren't smarter, which suggests there is unfairness in how schools work) changes the fact that creating an equality index that measures it in just one direction is just a form of intellectual fraud that is meant to manipulate people. I don't see any possible justification for this, even in the most patriarchal of countries because if that country was actual…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 05:04 AM
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I don't understand this response. None of what you said (and the claim that women are better students is very controversial considering women aren't smarter, which suggests there is unfairness in how schools work) changes the fact that creating an equality index that measures it in just one direction is just a form of intellectual fraud that is meant to manipulate people. I don't see any possible justification for this, even in the most patriarchal of countries because if that country was actual…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 05:03 AM
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I imagine my gf in the actresses place when I watch porn as well though. This isn't exclusive to smut.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 07:30 AM
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Yeah but smut often creates impossible standards regarding behaviour in the same way that porn creates impossible standards for someone's body. The issue is that men are largely raised to neglect their own emotional needs, especially in a romantic relationships, so they are less likely to actually do something about this even when it harms them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 07:22 AM
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Gonna need a scientific reference then about most men feeling a sense of dominion over women ( whatever that even means scientifically because it seems to poorly defined to even measure) In your last sentence you said "men" btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 07:05 AM

It’s not surprising at all to hear men speak of women as a shared commodity. As opposed to... checks notes... speaking of men as a monolith consisting of purely dark triad traits? Your comment is pretty ironic.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 08:08 PM

The problem with this theory is that it makes zero sense to alienate your allies when this what you want. Europe would be far more open to doing this if he didn't spend months badmouthing us and pandering to Russia.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 06:27 PM
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This issue is bigger than just regarding the topic of Homophobia. I have seen people describe the draft/conscription as caused by misogyny. There is no scientific reasoning behind this and it just serves to appropriate the suffering of men so we can focus on women instead. Both men and women deserve to have their suffering acknowledged and eased.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/25 06:01 PM

This post truth world is seriously dystopian
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 01:16 PM
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This isn't just misandrist, it's delusional because gender norms work in exactly the opposite direction. In pretty much every part of the world people assign more agency to men meaning they also get blamed more.
/r/EverydayMisandry30/04/25 12:50 PM

People usually have ideological blinders towards anything that is done in alignment with their own ideology. For example, if you talk to bluepillers/women on this subreddit, they simply don't see the issue whenever there is ideological meddling in the scientific process as long as its done with their ideology. It's not even perceived as this. Instead, this ideology is considered factually correct. For example I have talked here before about how problematic it is that the APA is incorporating fem…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 09:11 AM

I'm a leftist myself. But yeah, this aspect of the left is problematic, and Reddit is filled with it especially. One thing I absolutely hate about the left is their overconfidence, inability to understand anyone who is not leftwing, and the endless moralising. It means you can no longer have a debate where you might very well agree on ethical principles but just disagree regarding the current state of the world and/or the methods you consider best for improvement. Instead it's assumed (such as w…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 08:49 AM

The fact that these theories are dominant in academia is kinda problematic imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 08:34 AM
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You can read those books and still be sceptical towards modern feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 07:00 PM

Yeah sorry I confused the two. Thanks for correcting me
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 04:17 PM

More and more I start to think "brave new world" by Orwell was a prediction and that we live in a post-truth timeperiod. https://www.euractiv.com/section/health-consumers/news/ukrainian-womens-football-is-prospering-despite-war-inequality/ Like this for example. How is this real? Ukraine being congratulated for gender equality progress... while men are drafted to the front lines. This is on the level of maga claiming Trump will fix inflation. Why are people constantly deluding themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 03:33 PM
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I never identified myself as a feminist, I was just explaining talking points I’ve heard them use. Then it's just bizzare that you brought it up at all. I’ve heard all of these be criticized by feminists since feminism is such a widespread group that even feminists don’t agree with other feminists. This barely happens at all. And when it happens it pretty much has no consequences. When it's about race or trans issues, feminists can make a stance against other feminists but when it's about harmin…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 02:51 PM
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And I'm asking why I have to go through the labour of educating a feminist on the actions taken by their own movement while they themselves are claiming something about the movement that simply does not align with reality. I don't understand why people claim that feminism helps male victims of abuse when there is a long list of evidence that the opposite is true. I guess you conveniently haven't heard about the Duluth Model, about how the concept of coercive control was created, about the violen…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 02:30 PM
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What do you mean how so? Aren't you literally making the claim it helps men with it? It's so tiring how many people on Reddit will defend feminism without even understanding the movement they are defending and the things that have been done under the banner.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 02:07 PM
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— advocacy of male mental health — advocacy of reducing and calling out IPV against men (hetero and homosexual) ... what. Feminists have materially done the opposite of helping men with these things. They advocate against gender neutral approaches towards IPV and lobby for models that assume men are abusers and women are victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 01:16 PM

Is this a serious comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 03:07 PM

I still see yours
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 11:25 AM
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I questioned the assumption they aren’t interested. But the arguments you used kinda imply the opposite, since women read more in general and go to therapy more often. Cynically I could say “because women want to improve themselves so they get picked, since women aren’t supposed to do the choosing of a partner.” This doesn't make sense to me. I generally think it is the opposite, the man tries to impress the woman. Because of this, a lot of women's dating related self-improvement seems to be rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 10:44 AM
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I read them as in I read the summary, skim through the chapters in the store, and look up reviews on goodreads. I don't want to financially support authors I don't find very good, so I don't buy their books. I strongly believe in voting with your dollar (or euro in my case). But I'm not interested in some subjective heated discussion about it. Let me instead ask you this; if it is true that women are more focused on self-improvement, how come that this contradicts agency biases? This doesn't mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 09:12 AM
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As for your critique of self help, can you tell me which books you’re talking about? It's not about specific books. It's about the underlying theme. I don't remember the exact titles, but every time I visit a book shop and walk past the self-improvement genre aimed at women it's usually the same shit that I personally really find cringe. A book about "how to walk away from toxic situations", or a book about gaslighting, written completely from the female POV as if women don't do it themselves, o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 08:05 AM

That's not how I was looking at it. I meant that the idea is to improve for yourself, not for others. I'm mainly struggling with your comment because we know that the population at large holds agency bias where it thinks men have more agency and women have less agency. This naturally means that men will be held more responsible, including by themselves. I think admitting that you're wrong is important for self-improvement and by this logic men would do that more often. If you go to a book store …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 06:08 AM

I just remembered: Women are even blamed for men’s behavior. I was a young child during the Clinton scandal and what I remember most vividly was adult men and women saying in front of me, a little girl, that it was Hillary’s fault. She clearly wasn’t a good enough wife. When men hurt women, it’s women’s fault. That’s a pretty standard thing still. I remember people blaming Anthony Bourdain’s girlfriend for him committing suicide. Obviously it was Yoko who broke up the Beatles. I remember “I’m st…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 07:46 PM

I think the argument here would be that self-improvement for women is often more self-centered and focusing on validating their emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 07:44 PM

A weird belief in the idea that men are objectively more privileged even though this is impossible to prove because there is no objective scale to compare the relative importance of different advanrages and disadvantages each gender has. Also, conformism and putting social desirability over truth or principles such as the scientific method.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 07:35 PM
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This kinda does happen to me with my gf lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 04:51 AM
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Or you could just leave and find someone better and peace of mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 07:57 PM
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People who hate others usually are mentally unstable and will eventually make you regret interacting with them. Even if you're not the prime target of their hate initially.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 04:50 PM

It's not that there are zero articles about it. it's just way too little compared to other articles. There not really being a good solution can contribute to it but it's really not just this. It's also that most people are sexist and consider men more disposable, and that most journalists are too much of a coward to even frame something as a men's issue unless it's in a "woke" approved way. Here in Western Europe we used to have a journalistic tradition centered on being extremely critical but t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 04:05 PM

Both as far as I'm concerned. But what especially irks me is how silent government funded media are on it in my country, while they otherwise jump at the first opportunity to talk about social justice talking points, usually completely uncritically too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 03:56 PM

This article in isolation is fine. It's part of a bigger whole that isn't fine, though. Which is that our Western media has erased Ukrainian men and their suffering completely from the discourse, its not even considered a human right violation publically. Instead we have nice and convenient articles about female refugees so we are distracted from the reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 03:36 PM

The United Nations does say that, it really is such an awful organisation and then people are surprised people start hating "globalists".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 09:01 AM

A gay man.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 09:00 AM
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When you're a man who was abused by a woman, there is always this suspicion in the back of most people's minds that you're lying and were the actual abuser. It's why I pretty much never talk about it to anyone.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/25 08:28 PM
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Let's be real here, being funded by taxes is not the same as contributing negative value to society. Government workers are paid by taxes and some of them create important value, else they wouldn't exist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/25 06:34 PM
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You could also visit the old continent
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 03:13 PM
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Maybe an controversial take but women expecting men to pay on dates is the least problematic way they uphold patriarchy. It means pretty much nothing compared to other things they could do, such as disrespecting his emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 10:21 AM
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What an outlandish question lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 10:18 AM
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I’m willing to admit it happens for sure, but I don’t think it’s the norm like OP claims. I do think that either way, mens mental health needs to be more researched and given more attention. I'm not sure about the "being the norm thing", I think it could very much be the norm, but in my view it simply is not as severe as OP is making it seem. It's not that it is not the norm, but that it is far less black & white than he is painting. When a therapist is faced with a grey situation, somewhere whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 05:18 PM
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Yeah but the issue is it's not like he has an alternative because men's issues are underresearched. I'm inclined to believe that there is a decent chance the therapist will be biased against men, more so than the reverse. But I simply don't have a study to even read because they don't exist. That said OP's post is extremely incoherent and sounds overly hyperbolic and emotional. This something that really gets on my nerves on this subreddit, with men posting claims with kernels of truth to them b…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 04:44 PM
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The male perspective is on average less affected by concerns about social desirability and conformity. Many people (and probably many women) would probably consider this to be a negative (it definitely can result in negative outcomes, especially when someone is being an edgy ass for no reason, not denying that) but I consider this to be a positive for myself. I work as a scientist and I feel like this helps me to stick to the scientific method and to stick to finding reliable knowledge instead o…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 03:10 PM
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For the sake of playing devils advocate, it's not like OP can use sources because even if it was true it would not get studied. There is a severe lack of studies into things like this. Whether couples therapists pick the side of women is debatable, however I knew a man who works as therapist that was told by his female supervisor to pick the side of women because its better for business. Obviously just anecdotal but it could potentially be a thing I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 02:56 PM
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How does something this cringe get so many upvotes lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 02:10 PM
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Of course people have more empathy for women in Iran because duh, you don't need to have the exact same level of issues to discuss your problems. The point I was making is that antagonism against men is more understandable when women are living in an Iran type of situation. And that "women have it worse and need to be lifted up" is a more understandable perspective when there is actual strong evidence that this is the case. This evidence has been severely lacking in the west for a long time, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 09:30 AM
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There is no way you can tell me that there is no sexism anymore. I work in a male dominated field and it's only been a handful of years where I have started seeing women even get considered for management positions. A decade ago men were storming off jobsites I was in charge of because "they weren't going to listed to some little girl telling them what to do" That's not what I said or believe. If this conversation continues to consist of you dragging it towards things I never said it's not going…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 05:11 AM
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I love this idea that women started the gender war when for centuries we were very much oppressed and didn't have the same freedoms as men, not even in the ballpark. I actually think that if you look historically this reasoning also applies. Many of the oldest feminists had pretty awful and inaccurate takes, but it was understandable in the context they grew up in in my personal view. I empathised with the environment that made them this way because their anger was largely justified in it. The p…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 07:38 PM
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All you are saying is that you believe all the right wing propaganda. I'm not a rightwinger, have never voted rightwing and I don't watch rightwing content online. This is part of the problem, it is not just rightwing propaganda, part of it is very much real and the fact that this is constantly denied by the left creates only more fuel for rightwing propaganda. The best propaganda always contains a kernel of truth, if the counterresponse to this propaganda is to deny that this kernel is real the…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 05:09 PM
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Testosterone reduces the strength of your immune system. As a result men generally feel more sick than women for the same level of illness. The point is the person who is the most sick simply can do less to help the other. This would be like me complaining my gf can't lift heavy things, it's not like she's choosing to have less muscles.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 12:49 PM
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I don't understand why you wrote all of this. I don't think women are my enemy, but I also think feminism contributed to this outcome. An outcome I don't support and find disgusting. For one, it is divisive and has pushed peoples attention away from from class related issues by pitting men against women instead of everyone against the 1%. And not just this, whether consciously or unconsciously, it has undermined trust and the legitimacy in democratic institutions, academic institutions and egali…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 12:46 PM
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Who said anything about it being women's fault? It's almost everyone's fault, and idk why you're talking about fucking men when I gave clear examples that have nothing to do with that. It's crazy how much people want to avoid responsibility instead of thinking about how terrible outcomes could be avoided.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 05:29 AM
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The problem is men are legitimately more compromised by being sick biologically. Doesn't justify not reciprocating it, but often times people are sick at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 08:23 PM
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"I really like you"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 07:18 PM
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No one is entitled to people accepting their opinion uncritically, regardless of their gender. I'm gonna care about the stats, the arguments, the reporting biased etc because you can't solve something without understanding it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 02:16 PM
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As if people didn't constantly attack the rights of men, both feminists and conservatives doing it all the time. Or they just keep a lack of rights in place. The difference is almost no one cares, so no one even notices this is happening in the first place. We have had decades of women being treated well in the west while men's issues were either neglected or made worse. Egalitarianism has never been legally enforced with men getting longer sentences for the same crimes, having almost no reprodu…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 02:10 PM
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That's not misandry, it's just not accurate
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 09:30 AM
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It's like the mirrored version of redpillers lmao. Just dismiss abuse victims to win some kind of emotional fight, absolutely disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 09:22 AM
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A movement to protect the interests of women can't be about equality just like a movement to protect the interests of men can't be about equality because interests often don't align with equality. If equality is the goal, then it needs to be inclusive towards both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 08:44 AM

I think it's hilarious that the "amItheangel" subreddit exists. The original AITA subreddit is already extremely sexist in favour of women but apparently that wasn't enough and another one that is even worse had to be made lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 07:53 PM
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That's a very low quality argument. Everything he said was already going on even before Trumps first election, let alone his second one.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/25 06:46 PM
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Well I thought this conversation was about historically speaking. I don't think protesting for equal rights is straightforward in places/times where they are not yet a thing. Where I live currently there is zero risk for me doing that for women, and I don't expect brownie points for it. There is however risk when you do this for men, and this is a serious problem in my opinion. If I'd openly voice my concern for how men's issues are neglected I think it could put my career at risk, and I assume …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 06:27 PM
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That's unrealistic. Going against the status quo for the benefit of others should always get gratitude, because doing so always comes at personal risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 06:16 PM

It isn't in its definition but generally it's pretty easy to guess what the stereotypical blue piller believes, just like the stereotypical red piller. A general heuristic I use for myself is that if I can accurately guess how someone will respond to certain takes or questions it usually means their beliefs are not very accurate and exist mainly to serve their emotions. When I'm talking to someone who surprises me and is not that easy to read, it usually means they are worth talking to.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 06:06 PM
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It is gracious when it's average men supporting women's rights, because they aren't the ones who created the system that harmed women in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 05:58 PM

Okay but "freedom of speech" is not just a legal issue but also a moral principle. The idea of valuing free speech is that you listen to people who disagree with you, that you respect them as human beings and that you're able to have civil conversations with them. Obviously this has limits, when someone's opinion is either completely wrong or severely immoral, it's not possible not to make your dislike for them known. That however does not mean that limits can't be too narrow to the point one be…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 05:46 PM
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I think this is because you're European, I'm not kidding. It's somehow only Americans who are paranoid about taxes and hold very weird puritan views regarding sex and have some weird fetish for punishment for your actions. They are more focused on assigning blame than reaching a superior outcome for everyone involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 07:37 PM
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Okay but how can this be considered male friendly? This is honestly concerning. It suggests they can't even imagine how their ideological opponents think.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/25 07:25 PM

I like that you're discovering how inconsistent people are about this topic lol. This drives me crazy more than the reality itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 07:20 PM
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I never understand this either. How are people interpreting her books to be so positive about her? I don't get it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/25 05:03 PM
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I mean, I definitely think there are plenty of men who think women are not as smart as them, but the complaint about DEI hires being deemed incompetent seems bizzare to me. Like how is this not just the natural/logical outcome of how DEI has been done for decades? DEI hires have been a thing for better or worse, its not that surprising that the end result of it is that DEI hires competence gets doubted. This seems like wanting to have your cake and eat it too. DEI as a concept has been terribly …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 11:30 AM
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The irony of accusing a whole gender of using women instead of going to therapy and then writing down this rant on Reddit. If she's in therapy it sure isn't working.
/r/EverydayMisandry09/04/25 04:20 PM
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Moral elitism is kinda dumb though. I don't really have a need to feel morally superior but it just happens to be the case often enough that I care more about morality than someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 05:22 PM
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https://preview.redd.it/3tfhnf0l5gte1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=f85f72974c83c9e2b320935a9b3066c6219bc039
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 05:21 PM
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From the psychology courses I took I thought that it was actually women who have stronger social desirability bias generally speaking
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/25 03:00 PM
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I'm kinda a jack of all trades when it comes to intellectual pursuits. I can easily switch domains/fields with little time needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 01:43 PM
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Planted two pear trees and pruned the older trees today. The best form of workout by carrying bags of soil in the morning sun.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/25 10:25 AM
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Same
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/25 09:49 AM
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Yeah, but unironically. How can one even decenter 50% of the population? Makes zero sense
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/25 09:44 AM
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I can't stand seeing the word "decenter" anymore, such a cringe concept. Why do people here keep talking about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/25 09:41 AM
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What professional community and what do they accept as Canon? The professional space embraces feminism and male specific concerns as both important. Depends on what professional space you're talking about but if it's academic they shouldn't embrace any ideology, whether it's feminism or something else because it should be based on the scientific method. That's unfortunately not what I observed there.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/25 06:21 AM
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I'm talking about real life things but okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/25 05:49 AM

I don't really see anyone holding feminists accountable though. All I see is cringe MAGA conservative takes which is basically like "feminism dumb whuuahahaha" which is not a constructive criticism or on the other side progressives who don't have any balls to say anything. Like it's really annoying how all the analysis is always about boys and men but not one talks about how radicalized young women have become.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 08:05 PM

I think the importance of offline issues is really underestimated especially when it comes to this topic. I don't think I'm really toxic, but what really radicalized me is not whatever happens online but the shit I observed at university.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 08:02 PM

Academic feminism is also pretty bad though, it's just that it is such a minefield to navigate that people don't have the energy or time to even do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 07:48 PM
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That being said — that was a really interesting read and very eye opening. It also has some references at the bottom if you're interested in reading more factual sources. I think I was trying to argue that I don’t feel like men are “shunned” from it so to speak, but that may be untrue. Depends on your definition of shunned, but regardless of what definition you use, I don't think it makes sense to say men just "choose" to not enter psychology. I think systemic factors usually explain aggregated …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 06:02 PM
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I do agree that men are more likely to build professional support networks. That doesn't mean it's not a privilege is what I'm saying. The reasoning is very weak because it suggests it's impossible for there to be any privileges in the first place. I have this opinion piece that I think does a good job describing what it is like to be a man in a female dominated field: https://criticaltherapyantidote.org/2022/10/21/on-being-a-male-in-female-spaces-a-personal-investigation-into-misandry-in-modern…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 04:09 PM
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Doing a horrible job here at representing men's issues. There are so many issues that are magnitudes more important than the existence of onlyfans bruh
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 10:44 AM
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I'll agree that there are some fringe people in every movement that howl loudly on the Internet, but they do not represent the real majority. They do represent the ones with power though, and they usually get away with manipulating the real majority to believe in falsehoods that lead to suffering. For example the "99% of rapists are male" which is a false belief that gets spread everywhere based on a rigged definition of rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 10:12 AM
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I don't think they are objectively correct at all and I encourage you to not be overly nice to both sides of this debate and instead keep a critical mindset. The reasoning they used about support networks can be equally applied to the glass ceiling or the wage gap. You can just argue that men build "professional support networks" to help other men, while women don't do the same thing so it's not really a privilege after all. This reasoning is very weak when you think it through properly. In real…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 10:05 AM
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I have to admit I confused your post with some of your comments yesterday. Rereading your post I think it is mostly fine and it was only your comments I had some issues with. I apologise for this. I will be charitable and assume you made a post in good faith but then got triggered by bad faith responses. This has happened to me many times before as well. genuinely want to know why I've never heard anyone but radical feminists talk about it and I wanted to start the discussion Radical feminists t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 05:43 AM
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The reality where only women can take chemical birth control is indeed unfair. In both directions. But that doesn't mean the blame belongs to regulatory bodies or that the powers that be are being unfair. The pill was developed before our current ethical structure regarding medicine was established and if it were to be developed today it would probably not be approved. However because it was already in common use it is not possible to remove it from the market because so many women now depend on…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 05:19 AM
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I don't even disagree with this opinion necessarily. What I'm saying is that this is not how these regulatory bodies look at it. They are supposed to judge ethically whether a drug is acceptable or not. For this they need to weigh risk against reward but because bodily autonomy has become a core aspect of Western bioethics, they are not allowed to weigh the risk of one person against the reward that someone else gets. In essence, they are not allowed to compare the side effects of male birth con…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 08:28 PM
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My question is why aren’t we looking at the side effects of birth control for men and if they’re still less prevalent than the same effects resulting from pregnancy. Because of bodily autonomy ironically. Just like a man has no say about a woman choosing to do an abortion or not, a woman has no say about whether a man should take a medicine to save her from pregnancy. The ethical commission can't compare the side effects for men with pregnancy because men's body can't be held responsible for sav…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 08:20 PM
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The men who enroll into a clinical trial are not the ones who decide whether the drug makes it to the market or not. Them subjectively not being able to stand it or not literally does not influence the decision of whether to approve it, what does is the objective symptoms they experience. The FDA in the US and the EMA in Europe determine whether it makes ethical sense to approve a medicine or not. Men as a collective have no say over this whatsoever, there is absolutely no way in which their per…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 07:46 PM
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The only reason male birth control hasn’t happened is because men couldn’t stand the “side effects”. You know nausea, mood swings, acne, the same side effects we’ve been dealing with for decades. This is literally not how drugs get approved or prohibited.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 07:35 PM
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That's also not what I said or think lmao. I'm saying that the complexity of one's hormonal cycle is not the sole determinant on how easy it is to make a birth control medication, there are even ways thinkable that it might work the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 06:19 PM
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If you did, you’d know what a moronic question that is. That’s like asking if I think gasoline is the sole thing that matters for a car to drive. That moronic question is build on the reasoning you are using. Maybe reflect a bit more on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 06:12 PM
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I made a post offering an option to level the playing field by giving men autonomy over their reproductive system and you somehow concluded I was blaming men. What am I blaming men for by saying they should have better options? You're focusing too much energy on dismissing men's reproductive concerns. I genuinely don't understand this kneejerk response so many people have towards men's fears regarding their lack of power over reproduction. Somehow the implication seems to be that if a man gets b…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 06:10 PM
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Their mood swings were way more severe to the point of spiraling into depression. But sure euphemistically label it "mood swings"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 05:33 PM
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Do you actually believe the complexity of the hormonal cycle is the sole thing that matters for birth control medication?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 05:32 PM
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Unironically, yes, I did. But that's not what I'm calling false. What I'm calling false is that it implies that making male birth control is easier. It clearly is not, or it would already exist. Or do you actually think there are so little men globally wanting to take it for there to be a lucrative market for it? If that's your belief, then I just conclude you have misandrist beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 05:28 PM
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A few years ago I delved into this because someone made the same claim that you just made and I ended up on the conclusion that it isn't the same whatsoever. Exactly because men don't have a complicated hormonal cycle these medicines end up causing longlasting depression and from what I remember some interact with alcohol in a deadly way which is an obvious problem considering depression in men and alcoholism is clearly linked.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 05:26 PM
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It's not a beating stick dude, nobody is victimizing you. Sure that's why you used the same old antagonistic "they wanna be victims so bad" kind of bad faith deflection from what someone is saying 🤔 I made this post to open up a discussion about another promising solution to these issues men bring up here every single day. The post and the comment chains are clearly defensive and borderline hostile rather than an honest discussion. Pushing for better male contraceptive options is an infinitely b…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 05:23 PM
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Idk what to say to this, I think this is just false
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 05:19 PM
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Okay but biology, technology and the capital market doesn't care about what should be standard. Especially not when big pharma exists. This whole post seems equivalent to blaming women for the fact that the neurological disorders they are more likely to suffer from don't have good cures, as if their lack of advocating caused it. Meanwhile the reality is that neurological disorders are harder to cure and that big pharma doesn't want to take that risk to develop these cures. The exact same thing i…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 05:08 PM
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There are other male birth control options beside condoms and vasectomies out there that haven't been approved because of the side effects such as acne, mood swings, and weight gain which are the exact same side effects as female hormonal contraceptives. From my understanding this is not correct. The side effects were significantly more severe. Also though, because of how bioethics currently works the bar that needs to be crossed for a male birth control pill is higher because men don't experien…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 04:59 PM
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That's just bizzare. It's not like he himself did anything lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 08:21 PM

Based
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 06:52 PM

Your opinion is wrong, sweet wine is the best wine. Try some Malaga Virgen
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 08:30 AM

Internal processing of your emotions is a superpower people constantly underestimate
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 07:21 AM

Most people develop a theory of mind during childhood. Lacking a theory of mind is generally not possible unless you have a severe personality disorder, making your claim false. Instead you should say they lack empathy/understanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 07:18 AM
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I have been saying this, it creates a new level of anonymity. That can be good or bad depending on how you look at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 11:53 AM
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I'd bet on a combination of the two. Any person who takes science seriously should imo. Pure nature and pure nuture people are really annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 10:32 PM
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Not really, our monkey brain still behaves as if those things didn't exist yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 10:29 PM
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I agree. But the thing is, often times that argument is used defensively against someone who is arguing men are inherently worse people. Also, I do think men are more risk taking and inventive than women on average. This has both negative and positive outcomes associated with it. Either you acknowledge them both or you don't. But that usually doesn't happen on both sides lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 10:25 PM
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I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 10:24 PM
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As if nature allows any species to organize the games lol. This argument is so annoying because it is unfalsifiable. Basically "even if a woman does something today she is living in a system set up by men" but with no proof whatsoever how and why it would he different otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 10:22 PM
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You should keep the same energy when people say men mainly did the bad things throughout history as well. You can't lose either if you're not allowed to play.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 10:02 PM
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Big example: Majority of dysfunctional people coming from single mother household is taken at face value. I agree, it is taken at face value way too much. But bring up that 90% of rapists are men, then we see cries of sexism and not looking at other factors. Men aren't 80% of rapists if you use a gender neutral definition of rape. It seems obvious that you will receive backlash if you don't even use accurate statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 02:44 PM

It has become popular to frame men's intentions as more one-dimensional and malicious than they are Any statement that says "the only reason they/you do x" is already false. People don't do things for just one single simplistic reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 10:26 AM

How can someone even reach this conclusion lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 10:10 AM

Gotta find something to distract from economical problems
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 10:03 AM
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I think the conclusion is uncertain and overly simplified. You don't know whether men struggle more with declining health in their partner as it can be mediated by women struggling more with their own declining health which then leads to a response in the male partner. I can also be related to women having more people they can share the caretaking load with. When you take a very cynical view you could argue that women have a financial incentive to stay together until their partner dies while men…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 08:09 AM
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In a house or in a tent?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 08:35 PM
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Because you're playing yourself, you learn it more organically and it's easier to understand how multiple things combine simultaneously. Whenever you're just reading you always have the issue that you're reading one aspect at a time and often different aspects are connected non-linearly so it's hard to understand them holistically. This is exactly why scientists use simulations and models to make things easier to understand. Victoria 3 is essentially a flawed economics and politics simulator, wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 08:31 PM
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Especially once you get older it is better to have a bit more. The perfect life expectancy maxing is being lean during your childhood, adolescence and early adulthood and to border between overweight and healthy weight during middle age and elderly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 08:07 PM
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Who?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 08:05 PM
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History doesn't just consist of historical accounts and details. It also consists of patterns, intentions and motivations for which the exact date at which they happened is not important. If you want to know when something happened then video games are probably useless. If you want to know how or why something happened then they have value. Victoria 3 for example shows how economic imperialism developed by letting you play yourself and ending up with the same incentives that European powers had …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 07:47 PM
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Yes of course. There are multiple strategy games that can teach valuable insights into history, economics, logistics and warfare. Victoria 3 for example. Or anno 1800
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 07:38 PM
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What's wrong with getting knowledge from video games. Simulation is literally used in science
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 07:19 PM
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I'm on my gardeningmaxing arc recently, I'm constantly working in the garden
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 08:24 PM
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Literally me for my girlfriend
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 08:20 PM
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This is what makes me so angry, this has been a bigger problem for decades and has actually bled into real life consequences, but absolutely nothing was done about it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/25 07:40 PM
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They saw a desperate need for support and resources for the rising number of abused women and kids and they chose a path forward to get those resources to those people. Now we can argue if that was the best solution forward. We can look at specific data to measure the impact it had on men suffering with DV. I do not agree that seeing one group actively in need and helping them is inherently wrong. This is an inaccurate framing. The need existed for both men and women and they chose to completely…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 05:29 PM
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You can't know that based on statistics though. Its very difficult to prove that both rape and false allegations happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 04:54 PM

Those are valid points, but I don’t think that’s an empathy issue. That’s just different opinions in how to best legislate to solve problems. I strongly disagree with this. Their view on legislation is only possible when you have a complete lack of empathy for men who are abused. Just total indifference and often it is even worse, literal hostility towards them for no rational reason. People's actions are dependent on their level of empathy and sympathy. But also I didn’t see much of any feminis…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 04:47 PM

To be clear I'm not saying they have no empathy at all. Just less than is up to my standards and what I think I extent to people, including women. For example, advocating for the Duluth Model on domestic violence, portraying domestic violence as a gendered issue of men beating women, lobbying for changes to the law so that equality under the law based on gender is violated, and continuing to support female abusers such as Amber Heard is in my opinion not empathic at all to men who suffer from ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 04:38 PM

Okay, I agree with that. I think he's using a pretty bad angle of criticism. That said, he's talking about feminists and imo they don't really extend empathy to men either. They don't reciprocate empathy for men who support women's rights at all. I think feminists employ the same zero sum transactional tribalistic attitude as OP. He should have focused on this instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 04:30 PM

You literally quoted "helping women". How is helping not an action?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 04:22 PM

Wow you're so edgy /s
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 03:56 PM

It is crazy making to see people claim "misandry is not systemic". Do these people know the definition of "systemic"? Do they not have dictionaries?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 03:40 PM

It's crazy how much misandry there is on this app
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 03:36 PM

Feminism is not indifferent to men, it is antagonistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 03:31 PM

I don't think feminists usually reciprocate this empathy though, do you think they do?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 03:28 PM
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Men also claim "misandry" when someone is actually misandrist.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 09:07 PM
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You're right it isn't, unless the person doing it hates men. But also, that's not what I'm referring to lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 09:07 PM
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Let's be real here the women on this subreddit are just as hypocritical as the men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 07:41 PM
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https://youtu.be/0hUsociiNNs?si=IN3-VzjyY6lUGuHw No one wants to talk about this
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 05:44 PM
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Violence perpetrated by men may yet be a larger discussion, simply because we live in a society where psychological violence is hardly taken seriously wether the victim is a man or a woman. You can see examples of that in this thread. So if you take psychological violence out of the equation, then yes, men are considerably more violent than women. Having seen how psychological violence can cause at least as much (and often more) damage as physical and sexual violence, I think we do everyone, men…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 05:22 PM
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Men have been the biggest recipients of care in the social discourse where I live in recent years. Norway must be wildly different than the rest of the west then, unless we have a different perception of what accounts honest care vs condescending fearmongering. How much of this comes from genuine concern and not just people being scared of radicalized men hurting women? Maybe things are different in Norway, idk. The trend when it comes to domestic violence policy however is that it is getting wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 05:19 PM
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not what I was doing I disagree. How is calling people gross, unempathic, and implying they identify with male abusers a fair thing to do and staying on topic? This poisons the well. The amount of tangents I went on is directly related to you misrepresenting my perspective and making emotional arguments about it, and then refusing to ingage with them or to even consider that I'm being honest about my thoughts. I'm not identifying with anyone who is abusive, and neither do I think people don't ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 03:17 PM
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Not being on the same page is not the problem, conversations just become tiring when you don't respond to what someone has written, respond in bad faith or borderline insult someone for absolutely no reason. But yes let's leave it at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 02:24 PM
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She wants his views on masculinity, his views that have not only been formed by online crap, but also throughout his childhood. He used to be a creative kid who loved to draw, but that wasn't good enough so his dad dragged him to to sports to "toughen him up" and then blatantly showed his shame when his son didn't live up to his very narrow expectations. It was very relevant to the case. He was angry because despite asking her out "when she was weak" he still got rejected. This could just as eas…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 01:58 PM
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I honestly don't understand this pack mentality of identifying with abusive men. That's not what it is and I'd appreciate if you stopped suggesting shit like this. It's seriously bad faith. When I hear about toxic femininity, about women being violent towards their partners or their own children, I don't feel bad for anyone other than the victims, because her simply being a woman doesn't make my identify myself with her. I'd never do that, it isn't about me, so I don't feel attacked. Yeah I wond…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 01:22 PM
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Apologies from my tongue Never yours Busy lapping from flowing cup And stabbing with your fork I know you’re a smart man And weaponise The false incompetence It’s dominance under guise All day, every day, therapist, mother, maid Nymph then virgin, nurse and a servant Just an appendage, live to attend him So that he never lifts a finger 24/7 baby machine So he can live out his picket fence dreams These are the main ones I guess. But I have more issue with the cultural context this song fits into …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 12:41 PM
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Another line that really hit is "It's not an act of love if you make her". It's vague enough that it can simply be interpreted as her being made to take care of him and everything else at her own expense, or it's a brilliantly simple way to touch on the subject of sexual coercion and abuse in romantic relationships. As you probably know, most sexual abuse is perpetrated by someone close to you, wether you're a man or a woman, and it is only in recent years that it's been made illegal(between spo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 12:08 PM
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I do think it says something about the people who mainly listen to the song. But we can just agree to disagree, this conversation really pissed me off anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 11:41 AM
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No, with the YouTube comments that have over 1k upvotes which tells you something about the type of people who watch this music video.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 11:30 AM
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There's no lack of studies showing that women spend more hours on housework and childcare than men, dispite working full time. Denying that is just willful ignorance. I live in one of the most equal countries in the world, and I can name so many women who have lived or are living this. I'm talking about total work. Regardless of full time, men work more hours at their job and commute longer on average. I'm honestly baffled at men feeling offended by women who are used and abused in relations wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 11:11 AM

It did some good things historically, but the belief system is inaccurate, sexist and ironically leans into fascism. If there were significant criticisms from within it could be salvaged but unfortunately this pretty much never happens. Not very relevant to my dating life, except that I'm not going to date someone who's constantly shouting how trash my gender is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 10:30 AM
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Imo, considering the context from the rest of the song as well as the comments under the song, this is more of a systemic criticism than a described individual example of an abusive relationship. I don't think people would feel the need to critique it if it was more individualized, and if it didn't 100% stereotypically fit feminist narratives. The problem is that this systemic criticism doesn't seem to be the most accurate in all aspects. The "apologies from my tongue, and never yours" for examp…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 10:22 AM

Most women are decent people who make good friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 06:52 AM
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I don't believe women who are traded like cattle are the main ones listening to this song and/or commenting on it. I know multiple songs that do a way better job at talking about women facing abuse, for example: https://youtu.be/QNdHVGCM8Bs?si=2hg3mUU7b9zjy--H Now don't get me wrong, I'm pretty much "anything goes" when it comes to art, so I don't have a problem with this song existing. It's just hard to disconnect this song from cultural narratives that are problematic in my opinion. There is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 06:10 AM
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This song seems to have a meaning beyond just abuse though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 09:10 PM
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Isn't a portion of them just wanting to blame their ex and just exaggerating the situation they were actually in?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 07:47 PM
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I have never understood this reasoning. Responsibility for what? For not corrupting the system and for lobbying for artificial advantages granted to them based on their gender? This person is blaming men for not being sexist enough and doesn't even has the slightest self-awareness about it.
/r/EverydayMisandry21/03/25 06:16 AM
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You know the timeline sucks when progressives love a superficial analysis made by an American big tech company just because it validates their own sexist beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 10:29 PM
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Exactly lol, when a 13 year old boy commits murder its usually because he was born with anti-social tendencies and/or was severely abused as a small child. The manosphere has nothing to do with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 10:22 PM
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I'm getting annoyed at how much people are glorifying the adolescence series. Like yes the concept is cool and interesting and so is the acting, but half of it is essentially propaganda and doesn't align very well with real life, and people are taking the series as a commentary on real life. And of course, your stereotypical journalists spring in an uncritical manner which they do with anything that confirms their own worldview, which is ironically contributing to the subject of the series lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 09:24 PM
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First
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 04:31 PM
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You gotta be in Bretagne to do that. EU local product rules
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 04:13 PM
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I completely agree with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 04:09 PM
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What do you mean by "frame"? It is homophobic, the question is whether that is morally bad when it comes to dating related decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 04:03 PM
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I felt like it had too much propaganda in it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/25 06:49 PM

I wash my hands every time except when I'm in private with my gf. She touches my 🍆 all the time anyway so it doesn't really make a difference lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 08:41 PM
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I was a weird girl. I struggled fitting in and I was bullied for it. Most of my bullies were boys. At a certain point in puberty I started being considered physically attractive and that's when the boys stopped bullying me and only the girls remained. Sorry to hear that. I'm also just going by what my female friends have told me. To be frank, the largest bias in research is not including women and girls at all. It is only in recent years that women have started to be consistently included. That …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 08:36 PM
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Do they more easily notice, analyse, grasp and replicate social norms? Is it more interesting to them and therefore less burdensome? But isn't this true for neurotypicals as well? Doesn't this mean they just have to mask less? Girls have been shown to exhibit more pro-social behaviour than boys on average. It's been studied and replicated again and again. Yes but my issue is with framing that as masking. That doesn't make girls better than boys however. If a girl is pressured into agreeable beha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 08:25 PM
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I think they get bullied mostly by other girls while boys don't care that much whether a girl is autistic or not. Women are more rigid about social rules, which makes them more ableist but you will never see a paper even make that claim while there are thousands of papers making such claims about men. Sorry for giving you so much slack, it's not your fault but academia really has a gender bias problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 08:03 PM
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I said we don't know the cause of the masking, not that it doesn't happen more in girls. It does. How do you know this? Is it because it's easier? Are women just more agreeable by nature? Are they conditioned? Who knows. What do you mean by easier? Isn't being agreeable or not a core aspect of the self? How can you mask your self if the masking is part of your self? When surveying for masking, the emphasis isn't on how good you are at it, but how much you do it. Do you do this in that situation …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 07:58 PM
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The control group is there to confirm the experience of masking for neuroatypical people. In gender based studies male or femalr control groups are used. Yes, but they don't address that women might be treated with more empathy. Being good at masking can be an advantage, but I want to stress that it can be very harmful as well. Burnout, depression, anxiety, eating disorders, suicide, being so agreeable that you get into dangerous situations and sexually victimised, end up in an abusive relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 07:47 PM
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Maybe some parts of your comment are missing? Sorry, that’s not what I meant but I didn’t clarify. I meant autistic men have different struggles than autistic women, but both are difficult. I agree that both are difficult but whether they are equally difficult is debatable. Probably a really unproductive debate though lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 07:41 PM
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Women and girls are generally considered better at masking because they more often than men go under the radar for super long. That could easily be because people tolerate their weirdness more. may get mkre empathy, but there are many studies that show how little girls behaviour, especially social behaviour us scrutinised and rewarded/punished more than that of boys, because there is a social expectation for girls to be more sociable, more agreeable and more pro social. To some extent I agree wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 07:34 PM
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Emotional injuries are similar. Something small, you can tough it out. This is when being stoic is a useful strategy. Sometimes you watch your buddies get killed while on deployment. Stoicism is a poor coping strategy then because bottling it up just makes you a fucked up person with PTSD when you are back stateside. That's when you need different tools for processing your trauma and grief. I don't agree with this analogy. Emotional injuries are not similar in the sense that you can heal them yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 07:28 PM
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A very stereotypical example: The little girl would prefer to organise all the belongings of the doll, taking things like colour, shape and texture into account. She has observed that the other girls pretend to feed the doll however, to change it's nappy and soothe its cries. In order to be accepted by the other girls, and receive positive feedback from adults, she imitates their play, neglecting her own interests. I was born as a gifted child and apparently when I was in kindergarten I intentio…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 07:18 PM
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Sure, I think it’s pretty well acknowledged that women (autistic or not) have an easier time in the approach/introduction stages of dating. I wasn't just talking about dating. I'm not autistic but I constantly have to micromanage the fact that others perceive me as a threat just because I'm male. Women don't need to do that. People are more empathic to women regardless of context. All the other phases of dating and relationships are fucking hard for women with autism, whether it’s with sucking a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 07:06 PM
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What does masking actually mean though? I'm very confused what masking means scientifically, and how it relates to the concept of the self that is used. The concept of the self varies highly culturally and depending on the philosophical framework that is used. Is the concept of masking actually a falsifiable thing? In other words how does an outsider determine whether someone is masking their real self or is just really like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 06:52 PM
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If I, as a woman, kept talking to someone who didn’t want to talk to me, making uncomfortable eye contact, getting closer than they’re comfortable with, and generally just missing all the social cues telling me that I’m bothering them, people wouldn’t like that. That’s not cute. What if more people want to talk to you, more people are comfortable with your eye contact, are less bothered about you getting closer and more forgiving about social cues just because you're a woman? I think there are q…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 06:46 PM
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Why would this be true though? It's pretty clear that men are perceived as more dangerous in general so it seems obvious that autistic men would also be more likely to be perceived that way than autistic women. Idk why people don't want to admit it. And that type of stuff is what a lot of girls learn to correct pretty early in life, so we’re a lot less likely to do it. It’s not that we’re doing the same things and being perceived differently, it’s that we’re not actually doing that stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 06:40 PM
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Question: Why do you think "patriarchy is not real" is automatically reactionary? Is it not possible to conceptualise reality in a different way and still have it useful? Maybe even more useful? I take issue with attaching the word real with patriarchy in the first place because in my experience, it's usually just a subjective framing of reality based on the emotions of the person that believes it. "Real" or "objective" reality often doesn't even enter the equation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/25 04:44 PM
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Absolutely not, it's something that both men and women need. But girls are socialised and conditioned to BE more emotionally resilient, whereas aspects of boys socialisations about manliness actively hinders them developing the same competencies (e.g. being stoic when you have a problem rather than seeking help or talking about it with someone else). Based on what objective evidence is being stoic less emotionally resilient? Can't you argue the exact opposite just as much?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 02:55 PM
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I can’t do anything about that double standard besides not perpetuate it myself, which I haven’t. I can’t speak for others or society if I’m not apart of the problem that you’re talking about. I agree, the problem is men are (imo) rightfully skeptical towards people who say things like that. They can't know whether you perpetuate it or not. If you have a problem with my verbiage, that’s okay but I explained what I meant. I can’t handle someone who defaults to crying often. If someone describes t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 02:31 PM
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The problem is that if a man would dare to say something like that "my female partner should only cry when it is appropriate" he'd be labelled an asshole by almost everyone regardless of context. People wouldn't even ask or care about context and I know this from having dated an abusive woman with BPD. There is also a problem with the world appropriate. In practice it means "appropriate to me" and it gives one the ability to deem anything they want inappropriate. Add to this the fact that most p…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 12:01 PM
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I love citrus trees. They have the best scent of all flowering plants imo. My own peach tree is also flowering, unfortunately it's a variety with very small flowers. The peaches are the best tasting variety that one can grow in my climate tho
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 09:16 AM
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Pretty sure the flowering tree on this picture is a peach tree tho
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 05:32 AM
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What kind of ragebait is this again? Are you this blind to the amount of stigma men who work with kids face or are you just pretending to be to stir up shit?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 07:47 PM
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I have to say I prefer the kebab in the pita bread
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 07:33 PM

Lmao, I don't think kapsalon is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 06:36 PM

I think they can be really good, but they can also be really bad tho
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 06:21 PM

Yesterday I ate a burger in an airport hotel in Frankfurt at 10pm and it was the best one I had in years lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 05:43 PM

Maybe an equally controversial take: There is a difference between dropping your partner in cold blood, and having a mature conversation about needs in the relationship. I think it's far more respectable to maybe transition to a platonic relationship or to open the relationship. But suddenly not caring at all anymore feels cruel.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 05:22 PM
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No one is kind just for the sake of being kind and neither should anyone be. It's completely valid to expect reciprocity, relationships in social animals are based on this principle and humans are no exception to this. Also kindness is not the same as sticking to moral principles. I can think someone doesn't deserve my kindness and still think they deserve the same rights as those that deserve. People seem to constantly confuse the two.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/25 10:35 AM

He looks far older than his age but I don't think he looks ugly
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 11:00 AM

https://youtu.be/OBDZQzCcTQo?si=_J0e9A5_TsIL4dwf This goes hard especially when you watched the original one before he was famous
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 10:38 AM
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I agree with this take. The problem is, it does not support the "men are to blame for feeling intimidated" narrative that some are pushing here. Women can both have valid reasons for not dating broke men while men simultaneously have valid reasons to feel worried about their female partner leaving them when they can no longer provide the main financial contribution. Life is not fair and both reactions can be acknowledged and understood
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 08:41 AM
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Don't you think it's kind of bizzare that a place geared towards creative expression has this much censorship. I thought art was about challenging taboos and expressing personal opinions, seems like it should be a perfectly valid opinion to hold that misandry is real regardless of whether the mods agree or not.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/25 09:08 AM
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Don't drag this innocent cat into the gender war.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 07:03 AM
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Yeah but emotional stability is not the same as just being a punching bag that never responds.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 06:40 AM

Also less severe offenses are often more frequent, meaning the overall burden on society could be larger.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 07:31 PM
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I'm not acting. I don't tolerate people in my personal circle who are constantly ingaging in bigotry. And yes it is the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 01:57 PM
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Isn't this kinda normal? What would someone say instead ? "No you're a total parasite and I hate you"? Luckily most people aren't that unhinged
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 12:52 PM
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I would tell her that what she's saying is fucked up, just like I would to a man saying women are evil. Even the use of the word offended here just serves to make someone sound crazy for not respecting bigotry. I'm not offended, I'm concerned about the lack of morals in such a situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 12:50 PM
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The reason tech in America faces no competition is because the low levels of regulation on venture capital, the low regulations on tech companies themselves, the low taxes, and the ease of hiring and firing. And the fact that we let in a lot of H1B workers, which is gonna continue even under trump. Go to tech office in California, about 50% of the people there are gonna be first gen immigrants, and 30% are gonna be second gen immigrants.. This sort of multiculturalism is not tolerated in Europe,…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 08:47 PM
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Many will become even more delusional until in a few decades they will be the new "we didn't know" after one of the darkest periods in American history
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 08:33 PM
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Nah many Americans also believe this. They are told that America is the greatest country on earth with no evidence to back it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 08:19 PM
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Were will Germany get more consumption, or production for that matter? It is an aging society with little family creation, high energy prices, since Russian invasion, overpayed workforce, that doesn't produce much these days. Lol at "doesn't produce much these days". The EU is more industrialised than the US and has a larger consumer market. US GDP is completely kept up by their tech giants. Tech giants that will face more competition the more US alienates its allies. The green tech spending is …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 08:17 PM
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Sure but rn Europe is still weaker. This kind of bullying usually works for a short while but over the longterm you end up encouraging others to rival your power. Americans are under the flawed belief that American exceptionalism is a fact of the universe.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 08:04 PM
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Bro interests rates have been close to zero since 2008 here because we had no economic growth exactly because of excessive austerity. Inflation has not been a concern here, growth is. We can handle a bit more spending.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 08:01 PM
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And like before their adversaries are not taking it seriously and underestimating the potential. Only this time, the rest of Europe is allied with Germany. In 10 years from now Americans will realize how dumb they were to stab their vassal in the back, when Europe has become a rival on their level.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 07:58 PM
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Germany is abolishing the debt brake and piling a financial bazooka into infrastructure, defense and green tech spending. FINALLY. Europe is back, after two decades of stagnation.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 07:53 PM
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Damn you didn't even miss
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 07:39 PM

https://youtu.be/KkD7a82mTvY?si=uIdAEp0LcmSyVb9S BTW do you know this song?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 06:49 PM
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They blame woman for courts being biased against fathers, yet data shows only 7% of fathers actually apply for joint or full custody and of that 7%, 70% are awarded. That's because most lawyers advice men against doing that unless there is a good reason to deem the mother an unfit parent. Instead they reach an agreement instead of going to court, in which often times the man does not get 50% custody. There is a wide range of evidence that suggests the court system is biased against men in genera…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 06:11 PM

I haven't felt this proud of being European in a long time lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 05:29 PM

I wish we had more studies on the topic, so we would have more data on how we actually can help men. I do think that men tend to bottle things up more, and looking at addiction and suicide rates it doesn't seem that men are doing well. I think that as long we continue to frame everything through the lens of "masculinities" we won't be able to help much. But then again, this is essentially me saying whole domains in academia are useless, and they will never accept it because their income depends …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:08 PM

The same number of men and women said that they rely on their partner for emotional support, but men scored lower in every other category. Considering that most people have more friends of their own gender, I don't think it's a stretch to say that men are more closed off towards their friends than women. I think I'm mainly struggling with the concept of "relying" on someone. I believe men just rely more on themselves, which is why they score lower in every other category. showing that men are mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 08:33 PM

I'm a cultured and civilised man! Either homemade or in the restaurant
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 06:18 PM

Not from a package
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 06:12 PM

Ewww
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 06:07 PM
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Gonna call bullshit on the claim that a woman being a good person has a significant effect on how desired she is. Men are just as likely as women to be attracted to hot but immoral women, and many men tolerate abuse because they think its what they deserve. Many men and women are raised to think that abuse is normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 05:09 PM
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10 years from now the US will be in big trouble, but all of this American badasses can't see through the forest of their own ego lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 05:01 PM
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European Union prevents me from being cucked by the US, China or Russia.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:57 PM
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I don't think anyone really understands it
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:56 PM
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Healthy BMI guy in shambles, his whole life falling apart
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 07:40 PM
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No but you are a smoker.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 07:38 PM
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Pick-Me refers to women who commit self-harm actions for men, and judge other women for not doing the same. Basically, anyone who uses the "not like the other girls" kind of mindset. I know it refers to that. The issue is that you can stretch the meaning of "self-harm" however broad you want. Many feminists think that a woman not being a feminist constitutes self-harm. Actual pick-me's like justpearlythings are pathetic, but women who simply hold different opinions are often accused for pick-me'…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 06:16 PM
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Why would anyone care?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 05:34 PM
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Well not r/Europe anymore because I got permabanned for a tame comment that didn't break any rules with no explanation. And I'm like super pro pan-europeanism lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 05:31 PM
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Wtf he turned off caps lock
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 05:29 PM
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True tbh, that's valid criticism towards his "evidence"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 03:03 PM
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This is the opposite of logic, it's irrational and emotional behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 12:40 PM
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Why is bro this rude lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 12:05 PM
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Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 12:03 PM
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How did he reject you? What did you even ask him?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 11:58 AM
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I'm becoming this person more and more and I'm proud of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 11:57 AM
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This has nothing to do with gender. Often times people who push for poly just want to have their cake and eat it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 11:55 AM
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Anytime a post generates this many emotional rebuttals you know it hits at something that has truth to it. Not just when it's critisizing women btw, the same happens when someone makes a post critisizing men and you see mostly emotional rebuttals. Then it also usually has truth to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 11:50 AM

Creative writing gone wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 10:55 AM
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https://theconversation.com/happy-wives-happy-social-lives-men-are-more-emotionally-disconnected-than-women-what-can-be-done-about-it-239194 This article does not convince me that these claims are "objectively true" rather than a subjective framing of the author. This kind of hits on a lot of things I'm very skeptical about in social science as someone who works as a scientist in the intersection between exact science and social science. Just to give some examples: 1)it begins by suggesting we s…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 09:40 AM
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Does that mean you think men should be allowed to retire earlier and/or have a higher pension? Because men die younger partly because of biology, so they make a bigger sacrifice to society economically and deserve to be compensated for it if we follow your reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 08:49 AM

This is impossible to fill in if you're not in the US. My income is low expressed in dollars but my purchasing power parity is way higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 08:43 AM

This seems more like you convincing yourself this is true
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 07:30 AM
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PPD is not a neutral sample that can be extrapolated to the rest of society. OP is clearly talking about averages and not outliers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 07:02 AM
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Men also tend to rely on women more than on other men for emotional support, Is there actual proof that this is true? And I'm not just talking about self-reports. because of very negative connotation incels and manosphere in general created for themselves. They really didn't just create it for themselves. They would have been demonized no matter what they did. If public perception was solely/mainly determined by a groups actions/beliefs then feminists would have just as much of a negative connot…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 07:00 AM
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That's just because feminists see any woman who does not tow the party-line as a pick-me. If that's your definition of pick-me, then obviously you're gonna see them everywhere, but that does not mean all of those women are denigrating women and defending men. They might just have their own complex opinion on life that doesn't fit in a more simplistic feminist framework. Also, feminists are an example of the type of women who should be called out but only rarely are. A lot of feminists are sexist…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 06:52 AM
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I find this post really bizzare. It comes across as sexist from two directions at once. On the one hand, you're claiming that women are largely self-serving, implying they are ego driven and basically just using men. This does not align with reality, the average woman isn't this cruel being whatsoever. But then, on the other hand, you're also absolving the agency and responsibility from the women who are actually like this by blaming "conditioning". I'm not saying social conditioning doesn't mat…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 09:39 PM
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I will never not hate bank apps. Like the people that make these apps have negative EQ's.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 09:28 PM
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Empathy has a scientifically proven genetic component to it though, so I don't think this is necessary true.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 09:09 PM
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Women are more empathic, but your title does not align with what you're claiming in your post. Women being more empathic is different than that meaning it's the explanation for them having more expansive support networks. You didn't really give any argument for why this would be a causal relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 09:06 PM

Nice your handwriting is as bad as mine
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 08:19 PM

Nah I can see that
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 08:15 PM

My handwriting is atrocious compared to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 07:43 PM
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For starters, thanks for actually putting effort into your post. I appreciate it. However there a some parts of your reasoning that are rather weak in my opinion. For example: -Informal estimates are hard to gauge. Since 2-10% of allegations to the police are false, the ratio of unreported rapes to informal allegations could be similar. Approximately 70% of rapes are not reported to the police. Meaning for every false allegation made to police there is likely 3 which are not made to police. I se…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 05:28 PM

Why is the world ruled by idiots?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 03:09 PM
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I think they are practically treated as synonymous by feminists themselves most of the time. For example: 1) Acting like this system was set-up by men at one point in time and then blaming men for this system existing. A scientifically impossible perspective to hold and clearly the result of confusing the two things. 2)Literally naming everything negative after men and weirdly singling out men when it comes to blame for issues women face while gender is one of the worst predictors for supporting…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 08:54 PM
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https://youtu.be/Jkuxxznc6UQ?si=93d1Sa5gzZ309U67 JD Vance needs to hear this song
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 07:01 PM
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Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 11:20 PM
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It boggles the mind how many are seeing this as him being a strongman. He's acting like a bully on the high-school playground. Pathetic doesn't even describe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 08:21 PM
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Bro just wanted validation for his feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 07:16 PM
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This is rightwing propaganda and false. Most funding for Ukraine came from Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 07:15 PM
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Most checks are signed by Europe anyway. It's crazy how much arrogance Americans have, they really overestimate how important they still are. The empire is dying.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 07:06 PM
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I think I have a different definition of getting absolutely bodied
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 06:59 PM
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I find it amusing when I see a report "this is threatening violence against a group" and its like the most tame comment ever lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 06:57 PM
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People of both sides do that here constantly unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 03:13 PM
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What do you mean by "finding out" exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 02:00 PM
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The problem with that statement is that it can refer to a wide variety of problems, some valid and others not so much. I think women do that just as often. It's just not retrospectively framed like this pattern most of the time. A man having relationship problems and a woman not listening to a man aren't treated as equally severe issues by most people in my experience. In summary I think that "I took her for granted" is more common than "I took him for granted" simply because society gives men l…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 01:34 PM
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