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The so what and calling it a bs argument are invalidating.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 09:52 PM
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The “she’s a human being” bs argument.. yes she’s a human being so what? She’s still a woman at the end of the day.. and will do women stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 04:32 PM
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Human: bipedal primate mammal (Homo sapiens) : a person
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 02:54 AM
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You don’t see her as a human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 01:58 AM
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I haven’t posted any inane comments. They have no control or influence over their friends actions. That’s simply the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 12:06 AM
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They didn’t deserve to get slapped as they didn’t physically assault him. They were unfortunately unarmed though so not much you can do about a big ape coming to hit you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 12:04 AM
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I know what they mean. There is not dichotomy because there really aren’t two options. There aren’t multiple options. There is only one, but people delude themselves into thinking there’s more because they think they have more sway than they really do. I haven’t made any inane comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 09:11 AM
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I’m not thinking about it like a USian either. I’m thinking about it like an African or Caribbean. “You’re single until you’re married” “you always need two boyfriends/girlfriends for ____” etc. cheating is viewed as much worse in the US than other places, especially for male cheating but that’s not here nor there. Alternate explanation: since someone is recording my guess is her cheating was publicly exposed. It’s more so about her getting caught and embarrassing him than her stepping out. They…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 09:07 AM
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I read your comment. They can not control what someone else will do. All they can do is try to appeal to whatever the person wants to do deep down. If that isn’t to be faithful then they’re sol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 09:00 AM
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Wrong doing: evil or improper behavior or action It’s not wrong because morality to a degree is culturally relative. It looks like the video was filmed in Africa or the Caribbean. Cheating there is not viewed the same as in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 08:57 AM
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I haven’t made any insane comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 08:55 AM
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Look up the Webster’s definition of wrong doing dude. They’re not accomplices.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 08:43 AM
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They can not.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 08:42 AM
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It has everything to do with what’s possible. You can’t stop someone from doing what they intend on doing if you have no control over them. You can try to dissuade them but at the end of the day they’re going to do, what they want to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/21 02:25 PM
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They’re not accomplices.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/21 02:24 PM
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It is. I’m not a sahm but I e taken care of kids full time and worked grinding jobs. The jobs are always easier mentally.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 10:34 AM
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Obscure for now. They’re still articles that would’ve never been written and published 10 years ago. You’re moving the goal posts. First it was nonexistent, now it exists but is simply not mainstream.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 03:18 AM
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But it is. Legit years ago you would’ve never found any articles written about this. Times have changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 01:20 AM
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Laugh all you want. 10 years ago this wasn’t talked about and now it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 01:18 AM
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So because it doesn’t get as much media attention it doesn’t exist? Male preschool teachers and nurses aren’t as commonly discussed as female ones but they exist, female abusers and criminals aren’t as commonly spoken about as male ones yet they still exist. You can’t use prevalence in mainstream discourse to dictate the existence of something. That’s silly. Toxic femininity is indeed a thing and it’s becoming more well known. Denying the existence of it helps no one.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 01:14 AM
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It’s obviously not fine for men’s mental health given their suicide rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 01:10 AM
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it literally is another one If you didn’t know about it you could’ve just said that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 01:10 AM
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Toxic femininity is a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 01:03 AM
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That’s not good for men’s mental health. Most people are worthless because very few create anything notable. The focus should be on their mental health and happiness instead of chasing a gender ideal they’ll never adequately fulfill
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 01:00 AM
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Because men tell women how to be women so women do the same thing back.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 12:56 AM
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It does have benefit for men and society. Those men can be their true selves without societal judgement and people will be happier when gender roles are truly optional. As for the negatives, everything has a downside.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 12:56 AM
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Accomplice definition from Oxford dictionary: “a person who helps another commit a crime.” The gf didn’t commit a crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 12:53 AM
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It’s not false though considering we have absolutely no control over anyone but ourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 12:53 AM
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Exhibitionist fetish that they’re acting out is the number one reason imo. Then there’s attention/validation seeking. The only way they get positive attention for their looks or at least the only way they think they can get attention for their looks is by hyper sexualizing themselves and posting your nudes online is one way to do that. For the steamy posts they write, the internet is an outlet for them to be open with their fantasies without immediate repercussions.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/21 12:41 AM
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Those men are lying. There’s a lot of ugly couples around and not all of those men are treating their partners well.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 11:06 PM
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Here’s some other responses from women: “When women are young and stupid and they want a "boyfriend" or a relationship they believe the bullshit men tell them in the moment and do not understand that men will say anything and possibly even mean it in that moment to have sex. Then the next moment comes and whatever was said changes. No boyfriend, no relationship, no nothing. Feelings get hurt. Hopefully the lady in question learns from this and changes her approach. What many here claim is incons…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 10:24 PM
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Still wiki sources
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 09:41 PM
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Ok and if trying to convince her doesn’t work?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 09:40 PM
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Only if you’re hot
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 09:38 PM
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He’d treat her like crap though because she’s not the hot Stacy he really wants
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 09:35 PM
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Wiki is not a reliable source
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 12:24 PM
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No I presented an accurate dichotomy and you haven’t proven how it is false because it’s not false. You can’t control other people. Yes it does show my attitude towards this, because I used to frustrate myself spending hours giving people solid advice about not doing things that would have adverse consequences and giving them healthier alternatives yet they’d do what they want and then cry later when things blew up in their face like I knew it would. So seeing that repeatedly taught me you have …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 12:24 PM
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As a group they did not. Only the girlfriend has a responsibility towards him and only the girlfriends did the thing that inflicted “psychological violence”
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 12:14 PM
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I read that part and my rebuttal was that you can not convince someone to do anything they don’t already want to do unless you use unethical means ie: coercion. So unless they threatened her or held a gun to her head or something she’s going to do what she wants and if that’s to cheat then they will be viewed as accomplices if they don’t tell the boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 12:13 PM
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If you are asking if I am her dildo and sexual servant and must commit to giving her an orgasm regardless of how she treats me (for example, if she takes the orgasm and then uses society's legitimization for a woman to stop at any point, to do what you've just described - getting an orgasm and quitting), then I really don't care about her motivations and she can find a piece of plastic similar to her and settle for that. If she wants men to be committed to giving her an orgasm, then she has to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 12:11 PM
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I was talking like that when you left your comment saying that as far as you know they didn’t end up in a wheel chair. They don’t have to, they didn’t inflict violence on him yet he chose to do it to them. They didn’t initiate the psychological violence. His girlfriend did.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 12:08 PM
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So? I’m now aware of your existence when you made the comment about them not ending up in a wheelchair. So if one of them had stabbed him in response to the slap you’d consider that assault but not what he did? Also the example I gave was using extremes of both. Unless he was with that girl for years I don’t see why he’s so offended. I’ve been played once and it didn’t bother me I just moved on, but I guess it’s different if you have a lot of time, energy and money invested in the relationship. …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 11:59 AM
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You’d still be considered an accomplice no matter what because she still cheated and you didn’t tell the boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 11:57 AM
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No, you seem quite ignorant of FDS doctrine. They're not suggesting to do that just to "get back" at the man. If that were true, FDS would be even more fcked up than I thought. But that's not what they're saying. Here's the infamous post from the FDS moderator. I’m quite aware since people here have an obsession with that sub and never stop talking about it. They do suggest to do it if the man is doing it. They preach to not be anymore loyal and invested than he is. So it's pretty clear she enjo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 11:56 AM
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No, I’m talking as if I’m inquiring about where you draw the line with violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 11:40 AM
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You’ll be considered an accomplice by default if you do anything other than tell the partner who was cheated on.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 11:39 AM
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No, they select certain men to give sex to right away and certain men to withhold it from. For women in general no they don’t. If they’re not into casual sex it’s because they get nothing from it and prefer relationship sex because there’s a higher likelihood that they’ll orgasm. Some women here have been pretty open about this. In FDS, they even recommend finding a guy to have some side action with so that they can control their own urges while they make a different man wait (the guy they're tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 07:37 AM
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No she’s more so saying why would a woman engage in something that probably wouldn’t be pleasurable. Women have sex when they think it’s worth it and if they stop having casual sex or don’t partake it’s because they’ve had lackluster experiences on that front. Which makes sense they’re more likely to have an orgasm in a relationship vs a one night stand.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 07:30 AM
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Ok so you offer nothing. You get an orgasm while she doesn’t so there’s no motivation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 07:28 AM
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So ending up in a wheelchair is what does it for you in terms of violence?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 07:28 AM
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The only person you can control is yourself so you can tell someone not to do something and logically list out reasons not to and appeal to their emotions but at the end of the day they’re going to do what they want to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 07:27 AM
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Yeah, you also chose to associate with the women who made you as jaded and un empathetic towards women as you are. What’s your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 06:53 AM
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Men who want relationships settle down way before thirty. If a man is single at 30+ and he’s not a divorcee, widow or incel he’s probably that way by choice and will be single until the day he dies. A lot of women these days want something serious after 30 because they feel that’s when they have something to offer but I’d say for women this mentality really starts during their late 20s. They bring more to the table because most people who are developmentally on track have finished their higher e…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 06:45 AM
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Yeah as far as we know. My point is people are loyal to their friends over all else. Unless you dated within a mutual friend group your partners friends will have no loyalty towards you. At best they’ll help/inform you out of courtesy. Most will know and mind their business and others like this girls friends will help cover it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 06:43 AM
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They’re not thinking of it as not having sex. They get the woman into their bed and focus on their pleasure. She’s an after though if one at all so she ends up unsatisfied unless she does it herself. Unless he made the conscious decision before they had sex to prioritize her pleasure and make an effort that won’t be on his mind during the act. Whether or not a man will be in the aforementioned mindset depends on how he views you outside of sex and how much he cares about you. Women who don’t hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 05:14 PM
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You don’t have to agree with me. I find it 100% true. If you can find quality caring fwbs there’s no need for a ltr. They just impede you and you have a higher level of obligation and commitment to a person that stifles your freedom.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 04:23 PM
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I would’ve agreed with you if it wasn’t for witnessing my parents own divorce and my mothers crazy come up as a middle aged woman with kids. After the divorce she moved into a cheap tiny apartment, worked an additional job to recover from the alimony payments and save, got herself a mommy makeover and lost a crap ton of weight. She ended up landing herself a slightly older well earning divorced man who also had kids. I think he’s in his late 40s or early 50s? Anyway he moved her and my younger s…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 04:21 PM
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Yeah it applies to average men too. For one men are more likely to put in that effort for a girlfriend than a nsa sex encounter unless they’re really into her, chad or not. Also the women complaining about this aren’t all banging chads. These complaints also come from women who are girlfriends and they’re with very average or unattractive men because they are average or unattractive themselves(physically speaking). Men don’t really care about the woman’s pleasure unless they care about her, even…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 04:10 PM
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Reinventing yourself is a good thing if the changes are positive. What wonderful things do you provide that other men don’t? Give half of what to her? Isn’t the whole reason you didn’t marry her so you don’t have to give her half your assets?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 03:37 PM
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She won't. Is she guaranteeing anything? My obligations are equal to hers. Equality goes both ways. Guaranteeing things in terms of sex? Of course we could promise to each other in advance that both of us will care about the other's climax. Thing is though given how it’s much easier for men to orgasm from piv sex than it is for women you’ll get yours unless she is malicious and goes out of her way to prevent you from climaxing. That I won't get what I want and then quit, and that she won't get w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 03:24 PM
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In terms of casual sex yeah. I’d say it’s about 60/40. 60 wont care unless they have some sort of deeper emotional attachment to the woman. 40 do but they aren’t able to do it despite their efforts unless the woman is a repeat partner and they’re able to learn her body more. I know it’s an ego trip for men but doesn’t mean they’ll actually put in the effort when it comes down to it. It’s like how everyone wants a hot body yet only a minority actual put in the discipline to get one. It’s like tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 03:21 PM
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The if he learns to satisfy her is the true key. You don’t always get that from an fwb either but if you do it’s a great arrangement. You get everything good that you would from a relationship without the stressful bits.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 03:06 PM
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Yeah she should because she can still salvage things if she works hard. If she gets a job, hits the gym, dates older men and gets a financial advisor she can turn it around enough to enjoy relationships in her elder years.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 02:40 PM
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Not amazing. Kind of dumb on her part tbh. Unless it’s an open relationship? There’s literally no good reason to be in an exclusive ltr with someone. I used to think kids were the exception, but even then you can have kids and co-parent while in an open relationship or with a communicative fwb. If she was smart she’d have played her hand better a lot earlier. Developed a workable fitness routine, gotten a consultation with a financial advisor and lived below her means in certain aspects so she’d…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 02:35 PM
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It’s because women are often the ones left sexually unsatisfied in these pump and dump ons situations. So what’s the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 02:22 PM
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How would she know she’ll get that from you?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 02:21 PM
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It’s fun when you have a partner who also cares about your pleasure and you having fun, or you’re lucky enough to be able to orgasm from just PIV. From what women have said of ons experiences, neither are common enough to write home about.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 02:21 PM
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She stayed with you for 15 years when you don’t want the same thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 02:16 PM
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No it’s not. If a man doesn’t want to get married and the woman does they just break up when they get to that cross roads.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 02:15 PM
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The mental is a big part of the enjoyment. Not so easy to achieve if you’re shamed when trying to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 02:11 PM
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No. If this answer isn’t sufficient enough for marriage it’s not sufficient enough for casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 02:09 PM
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It’s not oppression olympics. While anyone can be a victim of any crime. Some groups are more targeted than others for certain types of crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/21 12:02 PM
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Acknowledging that one gender is victimized more often in the civilian world doesn’t mean that only that gender can be victimized. Does acknowledging that the fact that boys are the majority of gang violence victims mean they’re the only victims? Or does it mean that if someone will be a victim of gang violence it will most likely be a man or boy?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 08:50 PM
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I don’t think anyone thought prison crime was a gendered issue. Besides those who were falsely imprisoned, the people in there aren’t exactly upstanding citizens.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 03:54 AM
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Ok either way this doesn’t change that these are crimes of opportunity. They’re targeting who they’re around.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 08:42 AM
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What do you mean? Like women do it more in prison? No need to dream modern men and women are growing increasingly disillusioned with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 03:39 AM
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None. There’s no point to LTRs period if you don’t want kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 01:07 AM
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Not true, in fact in prison men target men, and worse than that women rape each other in prison more than men rape men. Because there’s only men to target. The only women around are the guards and staff. It’s easier to rape your cell mate or some guy in the shower vs a co or prison nurse. Not even remotely close to as many men as women wish they were gay. There are He was being satirical. To express his annoyance at how frequently men are asked if they’d turn gay if they could. He didn’t answer …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 09:54 AM
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No my logic goes by precedent. If it hasn’t been used in nearly 50 years and there’s talks of discarding it completely, why would I operate as if it’s still currently being used? Reality is, the draft hasn’t been used in decades and will be scrapped.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 01:56 AM
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You are completely incapable of understanding my point. Men are REQIURED to go to war. That's the point of the draft. This is what you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 10:21 PM
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Which doesn’t inherently mean going to war. No thanks! I like my name as is(:
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 10:12 PM
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Because men haven’t come to a finalized decision on what they want to do with it going forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 10:06 PM
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Be logical what is the probability of it actually reactivating? Quite slim, and there’s talks of getting rid of it all together because it hasn’t been used in decades and they’ve found more effective ways to get the numbers of capable soldiers they need.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 10:03 PM
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No honey, you didn't. You accused me of believing it was "rigged" remember? Yes because of the comment of mine you replied to and your whole stance on men going to war. You are cute. Wrong but cute. *right. No ma'am, you have not applied any logic. That's why you have been horribly wrong. Yes sir I have. Which is why I’ve been correct. When I knew you were intellectually dishonest is when you argued that being required to sign up for the draft will not compel men to go to war. Because as someone…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 09:57 PM
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I KNOW you have been writing on an 8 day old thread and have not even understood what I was saying. I understand perfectly what you’re saying. You’re just wrong. Who? Your friends? Aliens? Also, you have brought up this point on DAY 8 simply to save face. Explained below. My stance has been the same from the beginning. What Patriarchal society do you live in? Seriously, you just decided to completely change this debate. Damn pathetic on your part, but I suspect that's what makes you feel the way…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 08:21 PM
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I think what you said was wrong. You said women are disposable while men are not disposable. I took issue with your assessment of the situation. You have issues don't you? So you think it’s wrong but I’m assuming things about your views. Lol. Lol. You don't even know what that means. I am completely laughing at you. Sexual desire drops but that does not make a woman useless. You have seriously equated a woman's sexual desirability to her use. I know perfectly well what it means. They view women …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 07:59 PM
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Making a comment is not a revival. Which gender is told they’re useless once they hit the wall? Not men. You do think it’s bad otherwise you’d never have taken any issue with anything I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 07:47 PM
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Look at the comment of mine you initially replied to and look at what you said. I didn’t revive anything. I logged on, got a notification and made a comment. If you didn’t think it was bad during our initial discourse you wouldn’t have reacted the way you did. If you’re not claiming that’s not the case, ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 02:42 PM
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You were swearing and initiated throwing around ad-hominems. That’s not behavior indicative of someone that’s calm. Sir I don’t know you. I don’t view you as friend or foe. You’re just something on the internet. You agreed with the claim that nature was rigged against men and your “proof” was men being “required” to be sent off to war. Anyone who knows the connotations and meaning of the word rigging knows it’s used to describe something unfair and wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 02:24 PM
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You clearly think they don’t like it otherwise you wouldn’t be upset about men potentially being sent of to die in wars started by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 02:16 PM
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Men who commit violent sexual crimes tend to target women more. The people that commit violent crimes are just crazy and evil. I’m not overusing it. There’s just as many men wishing they were gay as there are women wishing they were lesbian. He didn’t actually answer the question at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 02:13 PM
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As I told you before, women are just like men - they kill those weaker than themselves. So it’s predatory violent crime? Not a concerted effort to genocide half the human population. Do you even know how many men post here? If even 1% of them were gay you could break Reddit for an hour with their posts. You're not and never will be close to proving your point about how many men are or want to be gay. They’re not gay though. They’re straight men that wish they were. The point is men are just as l…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 10:20 PM
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I only told the first date story so I can see how you think that but even after giving him a second chance and talking to him more it was definitely insecurity and avoidant attachment. He was even saying stuff like how he didn’t deserve the friends he has how he doesn’t deserve kindness etc. Even after he knew I definitely wasn’t a catfish he was extremely anxious and in disbelief about me dating him. Someone definitely traumatized him, probably a parent or guardian. I tried to help the best I c…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 10:18 AM
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What does this have to do with the fact that women (more often than men) kill their own kids - particularly sons? Them killing their sons is a violent crime. It seems you’re trying to make a faulty connection between these and people making mean jokes online. If the motives for all these violent crimes is attempted genocide, then does it work the same both ways? Are men who kill women doing it to try and cull the female population? But you only said this in the context of men. Your biases are cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 09:06 AM
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Nah they put texts from both sides and sometimes you see both parties telling their side because they’re arguing on social media and you can see who was in the right. There are average and ugly men that are just not good partners. If men can understand that any type of woman can be bad partners I don’t understand why they think only chads are bad ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 09:02 AM
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I’ve made no moral judgment on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 09:00 AM
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No arguments there. I was just making the point that it is indeed a very real thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 03:39 AM
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https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/avoidant-attachment It’s a real thing
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 03:28 AM
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It is, it’s part of attachment theory
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 03:18 AM
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From my experience with one they usually want a relationship and are hopeful at first but when a date or two actually happens all the doubts and fear start creeping in and they break things off before they get attached to save themselves the pain. The guy I met who was like that looking back was an incel I’m pretty sure. We had a good convo and had a first date set that he showed up early to then left before I got there because he was getting anxious and afraid that I was catfish or just trying …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 03:16 AM
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Oh they're definitely fantasizing about it. Women tend more to target their own kids, and before you go "but muh post-partum" they target sons more than daughters. So all the violent criminals running around have a grand plan to exterminate the opposite gender? Lol. Yeah but only the men are like that, right? rolls eyes Last I checked the movements I listed had male and female allies. Those few who say it are fully jokingly saying it. No they’re not. Being homosexual is a legit thing people give…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 03:12 AM
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because they can’t pull those men for commitment. Did you not see this part of my comment or? And if a man can’t help with the kids he asked for and clean a house he also lives in that his girlfriend or wife pays half the bills for then that’s beyond sad. That’s not asking for “everything” that’s asking for the bare minimum. For him to pull his weight in something he also contributes to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 09:02 PM
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It's happening often enough. So is 97%-> 100% real too and not just a malicious joke because rape and murder of women happens often enough? Also you’re assuming that they childish people saying these things online are actually committing crime or manipulating others into crime. LOL you just bashed male feminists ffs. It's like all men are somehow nefarious. A classic feminist move. Feminist is as feminist does. I didn’t bash all male feminists. I also don’t think all men are nefarious. Men are m…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 09:00 PM
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Not to ppd if you’re body count is more than one you’re a hoe.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 04:23 PM
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The personality is the pre-req.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 04:20 PM
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Reality does. Look at the women complaining and what happened in their relationships. Full of one sided effort and their boyfriends aren’t hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 04:19 PM
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Lmfao. People like him are just freaking stupid. What he finds fuckable is not the same thing as the ideal beauty standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 11:46 AM
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“Everything that doesn’t fit my confirmation bias is mental gymnastics” -Carkudo 2021
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 10:13 AM
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No, the mindset being discussed isn’t that men have it easy, it’s that men don’t bring much to relationships and they’re not talking about the top men. The women complaining aren’t in relationships and marriages with top men. They’re with men in their league lookswise and income wise.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 10:06 AM
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Women have spoken and they also want men who help upkeep the homes they asked her to pay half for without her having to delegate like he’s a child, for them to be more active parents to the kids they also wanted and for the couple to keep having spontaneous dates that the man plans too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 09:42 AM
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We’re talking in terms of US here. Thought the context gave that away? The US is where this mindset is really becoming popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 09:40 AM
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No based on a generic amalgamation of actual women who’ve made this complaint and their experiences. There’s a lot of overlap so instead of listing out every single case I’ve seen and every single specific woman I’ve combined them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 09:40 AM
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I have actually. The biggest struggle of dating women is finding one to date. After that it’s loads of fun. At least in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 09:38 AM
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They do. It's called false accusations of assault and rape, what better way to get a horde of men to kill another guy. This is not happening on a mass scale. They’re not trying actually kill every man. Ah hahhahahahaha you people don't even trust men who fight for you. That's just sad. 1) I’m not a feminist. 2)I don’t trust anyone but my family. Nothing sad about it. Why would I put complete faith in a stranger? That’s silly. 3) “you people”? So in that scenario the women just try to leave each …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 09:36 AM
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Yet the demand is though which is why women complain about not finding them and why women who did find guys like that go viral for bragging about what he does for her, or guys bragging on themselves go viral.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 02:20 AM
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They plan the dates and romance, sexually please the guy, stay faithful, love him in his love language, facilitate spending quality time together, sexually satisfying him, if they have kids she does most of the child rearing, if they live together she does the cooking and cleaning etc. pretty much they bring everything you need to a relationship and they end up with men who cheat, leave during the birth or a baby they asked for or who don’t reciprocate the effort. Looking through cases of the wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 02:14 AM
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Yet most Americans are still fat and sloppy. Following your logic most should be thin and fit. Also there is high demand for them. There’s just minimal supply.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 02:05 AM
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No we wouldn’t. People are going to behave how they want regardless. There’s a high demand for thin and fit yet most Americans are fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 01:34 AM
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Women do date those men. They’re the minority though so dating you’ll wade through a lot of duds before finding a good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 01:26 AM
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Not most of them though
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 01:23 AM
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A mans looks say nothing of how he’ll treat and tbh sometimes ugly men will treat you worse because they’re punishing you for all the women that rejected them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 01:22 AM
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Yet she’s putting in more effort than he is
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 01:19 AM
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Then that’s even sadder because moms were getting even less.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 01:18 AM
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In most cases yes, some cases no.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 11:35 PM
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A generic woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 11:29 PM
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Because they know that if they did then out is the direction in which they'd get brutally wiped. Besides, women don't do direct violence, they get someone else to do it for them. Remember Tonya Harding? Ok so then why aren’t they doing indirect violence on a mass scale then? So you never heard of male feminists? LOL wow so much wrong. They’re not real. Pandering to get sex isn’t the same as actually believing what you say and walking the talk. Aahhhhhh hahahahahhaaaaahah run away from a lion? St…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 10:53 PM
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If that's the case, none of those women would be complaining, so which ones are doing the complaining here? No they would still be complaining just like the men. The caring less thing is a front to avoid looking like simp or pick me and being exploited. Non-traditional women can't expect traditional men to act non-traditional just because it would make things better for them. The men aren’t traditional though. They’re not providing financially and expecting her to contribute to the bills, but th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 10:51 PM
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Yes, which is why they say the bar is low for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 10:45 PM
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Yes so you like to sleep with them, you don’t like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 10:44 PM
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Liking someone is not the same as liking to sleep with them
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 09:21 PM
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No those men don’t have those things. They’re average height or below, making average income or below and some have low self esteem others don’t it’s a gradient there same with humor. They get with men they can get commitment from which is typically men in their league or below. They feel they get nothing from most of those relationships because they don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 09:20 PM
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No there isn’t. Under 30s view dating as a competition of who can care less and men view treating your girlfriend well as simping. So you end up with a lot of people having low quality dating experiences. When it comes time to cohabitate and have kids certain responsibilities default to the woman which is part of why the view that “the bar is so low for men” is circulating around. Plenty of women have given men they don’t want a try and had the exact same experiences they did with men they did w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 09:17 PM
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Exactly!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 09:14 PM
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Yeah I know what you typed. I’m saying you’re virtually interacting with her though which still counts as an interaction. It’s very obvious she meant all types of men. It’s not a specific niche of men that are being referred to like most here would like to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 09:13 PM
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That’s not who most women end up dating though because they can’t pull those men for commitment. When they say the bar is low for men they’re talking about relationships with their average or ugly boyfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 09:12 PM
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For how they act in a relationship. She’s the one doing all the cleaning, cooking and date planning while splitting all the bills and not getting as much back emotionally or sexually as she puts in.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 09:11 PM
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You don’t like them though
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 09:10 PM
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That’s who they’re dating though. Average and ugly women aren’t get commitment from hot men. They’re getting it from average and ugly men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 09:09 PM
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Nah even girls who’ve only dated guys under 5’10 have this complaint. Men don’t have to do much in boyfriend-girlfriend relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 09:08 PM
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You’re virtually interacting with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 09:08 PM
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No they’re talking men as a whole, average men, ugly men, hot men, masculine men, feminine men etc. they just feel they’re not getting back what they’re putting in.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 09:07 PM
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No their standards for relationships are lower than for casual sex. The only standard that differs between the two anyway is looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 09:06 PM
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Honestly I agree I think the bar is low. For casual sex specifically the bar is high for men in terms of looks. However for relationship dating the bar is on the floor. Which is why I never understand men’s complaints of having to do xyz to keep a girlfriend. Average and ugly people couple up all the time and the men are seldom ever doing anything spectacular. They’re mostly faithful and show up to dates she plans and splits the cost of. Not much to do. If your girlfriend is way out of league th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 09:05 PM
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This is bullshit, stop trying to defend this hate speech. This shit is why people impugn the maturity and the honesty of women. Ok so if they’re serious why are they mass murdering men? Everyone else that spews hate speech and is serious about it, puts their money where their mouth is. They actually go out and kill and attack the groups they hate. Or they riot and demonstrate their views. You can just look at the context clues and know that the people saying it are joking. It’s crap flinging by …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 09:01 PM
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You showed a video with women getting their asses kicked after they started something. This is totally dishonest. I'm talking about women who rant about killing all men even the innocent ones and you're equating that with violence against women who started violence against others? Really? No it’s the same because the men who prompt kill all men rants aren’t innocent and the kill all men rants aren’t even serious. It’s why they make “exceptions”. They weren’t planning on genociding men in the fir…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 11:55 AM
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Her manifesto was supported by an alarming number of feminists and even women like Lena Dunham of today. Funny how you've heard so much about men who think women deserve to get knocked out but you've never heard of this. And women of today aren't lauding what she said? Oh really? They’re not. Only 2 of your links were showing support of her. The links you posted are from 2010-2011 at that time I was watching pirated my scene, bratz and sailor moon content on YouTube. There’s a whole subreddit de…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 10:02 AM
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What you see is not what the world is. That's why so many women and feminists lauded Valerie Solanas' SCUM Manifesto. I didn’t know who she was before today and I’ve never heard any woman feminist or not speak of her in all my years on this earth. She was before my time, she did what she did before my mom was even a thought so maybe that’s why? Women now definitely aren’t lauding what she did. But how is it any different than men laughing at women who they think “deserve it” getting knocked out?…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 03:41 AM
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That’s depends on how you meet. Cold approach no chance if you’re not hot or suave enough to impress before getting rejected. However if they’re someone you have an acquaintanceship with you can showcase personality during the interactions you have together. Or if it’s a friend of a friend etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 02:32 AM
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Well so much for the credibiltiy of this discussion. It is. The vast majority of the times it’s used are by angry teens and petty adults who are crap flinging. When boys say kitchen or object the girls respond with wallet. When boys say let’s make the 97% 100% girls say kam. Or when a male celebrity they like does something mediocre that they’re fawning over they say “Kam but Timothy Chalamet😍😍 he gets to live”. I’ve very rarely seen anyone saying any of the aforementioned seriously. Still no ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 01:55 AM
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Now how many of that 328 million /2 = 164 million men were once college students? Probably slightly more than the current numbers as college attendance for men has gone down. Still wouldn’t be a large number of men though. Wait until Covid goes away that's going to change. Meh I don’t know. With a growing number of people becoming disillusioned with marriage and even just dating this trend will probably continue for a little while after Covid. There’s even now a market for people to link up with…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 01:40 AM
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Which is why he said looks are a handicap. You can get around it though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 12:51 AM
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Cuddling, kissing and even sex if that’s what she wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 11:22 PM
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I didn’t say anything about cash flow. In any case most poor people have none of the above, at least not to an adequate degree, yet they still have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 11:21 PM
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Care to substantiate that? Most men could use the financial boost of contributing to a sperm bank. Yeah, there’s about 328 mil people in the US, 20mil are college students and over half of those are women. When you look up sperm donor demographics it’s estimated that between 50-90% of donors are college students. Then being broke was just my guess because that’s usually why people donate their gametes, plasma or whole blood in paid situations. Really, is there? Right now yeah cause of Covid and …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 11:17 PM
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KAM is satire and men do say women are useless. Women only being good for sex if even that is a common view among men. So why men are appalled that women view men to be just as useless as women view women is beyond me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 09:53 PM
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Average men with game too
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 09:40 PM
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It depends on how self aware the woman is. If she’s not very aware of what she does and doesn’t want probably frequently, if she is not very often if at all. She’d be able to snap herself out of breaking the rules because she’d know it won’t lead to anything good.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 09:27 PM
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No they’re just less likely to get called out on it until they hit the wall. I had gym teacher that was creepy as hell and would always touch female students inappropriately and the only reason he didn’t get fired was because administrators kept defending saying “he used to be a good looking man so he’s just used to interacting with women and girls that way”. So in terms of actual behavior no they’re not less creepy, it just takes longer for them to get called out on it and people have more of a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 09:24 PM
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Bachelors who are single by choice supplement as well. They have friends with benefits who they get sex and affection from but they don’t commit or cohabitate with anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 09:07 PM
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Many women are choosing to have children, many also are choosing not to. They’re also not economically infertile. Poor people have the most babies and they’re the least financially equipped to have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 08:56 PM
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Lmaoo
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 08:37 PM
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I didn’t ignore you answer. I simply said your reasoning is flawed because your premise is flawed. I understand your point but it’s not reflective of the real world situation. Also I was under the impression that this was a civil discussion. Pardon me if I was wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 08:36 PM
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Not having kids isn’t selfish. People have been trying to avoid having kids even before modern society was a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 09:33 AM
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Yes I can and I did. Your numbers threw off your whole point.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 09:31 AM
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Yes so they take care of themselves and want to have fun full lives. Kids fake up your time and money and if you don’t want kids just for the sake of having them then it’s not a good decision physically, financially or socially. Euthanasia will probably be legal then.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 02:46 AM
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We’ve evolved socially and intellectually since then. People want to more with their lives and there’s less free communal child raising help.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 02:30 AM
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It’s not fear based it’s just being realistic. It’s only rewarding if that’s what you want and you like the end results. Women didn’t really double the workforce. Poor women always worked and middle class women needed to start working so they could be self-sufficient while they were single and if they didn’t find a good husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 02:04 AM
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Men feel the exact same way about women. It’s just crap flinging.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 01:42 AM
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Good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 01:40 AM
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Honestly idk. I think game has more to do with it than looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 01:39 AM
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Because the majority of donors are college students estimates are anywhere from 50-90%. They’re also usually poor. Most American men aren’t poor college students. Also there’s a shortage and slightly more demand than supply. There’s more than enough men in America to meet the demand 10-fold even with requirements of most sperm banks. So the fact that the situation is what it is is very telling. The cost of a surrogate goes on a gradient. Some are cheaper than others. The cheaper ones a man could…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 01:38 AM
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No other people would see too because she’d go out with him with no makeup on. You’ve never gone out to get food and seen couples dressed super casual and the girl had her hair in a quick style with no makeup? Those instances are your opportunity to judge if they’re looksmatched or not
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 01:28 AM
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Once they get to the boyfriend-girlfriend stage a lot stop wearing makeup unless it’s a special occasion or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 01:15 AM
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The ability to attract would be the same for my male equivalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 01:11 AM
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No I think his experience would have been more rewarding because he could enjoy it fully. I think it would be as easy for him to attract partners as it would be for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 12:46 AM
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I don’t believe you because I’ve seen for myself and there’s really no difference. My mom and some other women I’ve met who have their own biological human children still treat their cats and dogs like they’re a human baby. They buy them clothes, pamper them the whole 9 yards. Especially if they have a small dog. Women without kids just have more money to do this indulgent stuff. A woman with kids has to put some of her money towards her actual kids not just the dogs. Overall though it’s the sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 12:44 AM
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Honestly I have to disagree. My mom and her friends who have dogs or cats treat those their animals like babies. And these are women with their own biological human children. You don’t have to be messed up and unproductive to not want kids. I like kids and they’re great but working in childcare it gave me a new respect for parents and made me realize just how much goes into child rearing. Most kids under 7 need a lot of care and supervision. As much as I loved and enjoyed my time with the kids I…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 12:41 AM
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Most women. Relationships aren’t all sunshine and rainbows. They’re work and irked nerves too. Honestly, who wouldn’t want the fun bits without the hassle and headache?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 12:35 AM
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Personally I don’t care one way or the other. I think it will change as breadwinning wives are becoming more common. So eventually people in those set ups will realize they need to take notes from the people who make it work or their relationship will fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 12:33 AM
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I haven’t tried so I can’t say, casual sex never logically made sense to me. Hypothetically though, a man being promiscuous or doing sex work wouldn’t be judged as harshly by employers or future partners. It would have little to no effect on his life. While if I as a woman did that my promiscuity would be used to make unfounded negative judgements on my moral character and mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 12:30 AM
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Men can get surrogates or donate their sperm and put that they are open to being contacted by any kids they sire. They have alternative paths now and most men don’t use them. Artificial wombs would be one of several.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 12:28 AM
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Idk boys vs girls, men vs women has been a thing long before feminism became mainstream with any real political and social sway.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 12:26 AM
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It’s not brainwashing or delusional. Children are a huge responsibility. You have to keep a whole other human being who is completely dependent on you alive before they even touch the earth. Then you have to do your best to keep them safe without hindering them and raise them to become a well rounded, self-assured capable adult. Easier said than done. Ideally you should also have something to give them financially seeing as how income inequality within countries keeps getting worse by the day: h…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 09:24 PM
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It’s because they like animals. Women with kids have small or legit animal farms in their homes as well. My mom had 3 kids, my 2 siblings still live with her and one isn’t even 13 yet. Yet she’s into dog breeding now and basically has an aquarium in her house. I don’t have any kids of my own, but I had kids in my care who I was with for several hours everyday if not a full 24. They satisfied my maternal nurturing urges but I still had guinea pigs and hamsters. A pet is different from a child. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 09:20 PM
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It’s because it’s difficult to find a set up that works for both people. It’s take a special kind of man and woman to make an arrangement where the woman makes much more work. Most men and women don’t fit the bill. So only a minority of those couples are actually successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 09:13 PM
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Not with hot women but they can and do get it from women less attractive than themselves. Most men don’t want to “dumpster dive” though. In any case a man who is a complete whore is looked at more favorably than a woman who is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 09:04 PM
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I think it’s because relationships are fun until they’re not anymore. When it’s time for the hard work and the tedious and annoying aspects start cropping up you’ll want to leave and find something new and fresh so you can enjoy the fun stage again. Legality, duty and community kept people from leaving on a whim before but now those 3 things aren’t as much of a factor as they were before.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 09:02 PM
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They don’t want them though. Unless she is infertile she could’ve let a man hit raw and popped one out at any time if that’s what she truly and genuinely wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 08:59 PM
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The bottom part of what you said is exactly how most women feel. They want physical affection but relationships and marriage are often more trouble than they’re worth and they find themselves happier single.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 08:58 PM
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How is it a punishment to not have kids? They’re a lot of work and expense and you need to have two good parents in there life and most people are not fit to be parents. It’d be more of a punishment if the woman did have kids at that age.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 08:55 PM
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I think around menopause something does happen to all women where they get baby rabies, but then it goes away. I say this because women who had kids and knew they didn’t want more and women who didn’t have kids because they knew they never wanted any all say they experience this too for a brief period of time and then the feeling just disappears. So it’s not so much age it’s just that short time of menopause.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 08:54 PM
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If they’re broke or she’s a good looking 35 year old then yes. It already happens now. Why wouldn’t it in the future?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 08:49 PM
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The same is true of old women too though. They may be less fine with it than young women but they’re still more fine with it than men. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/life/relationships/article-women-older-than-65-dont-want-to-live-with-their-partners/ This is something I realized myself and it changed my views on marriage. I want to adopt kids and I still plan on doing that and co-parenting with my male best friend but having to live with the same guy for the rest of my…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 08:44 PM
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I think women are less geared towards lifetime monogamy than they’d like to think. So they can be great partners but they will tire of the relationship eventually even if it at one point they were head over heels for their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 08:42 PM
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Not so many women have kids anymore either. Births are below replacement level in most western countries . Yet you still brought up women having kids. Also men always have a choice unless they’re raped or their sperm is stolen. Men already have alternate paths to procreation. Surrogates. It would be great for women. That means they also would be able to have kids without having to put themselves or another woman through pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 08:37 PM
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They did the same thing to the AA civil rights movement at first but that didn’t stop black people. Probably the same reason MRAs get mad at feminists. At the end of the day though you have to ask the people actually getting mad what the reason for their ire is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 08:35 PM
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I’m not angry about it. I just wish we could switch roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 04:32 PM
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False. They go by your earning capacity at the time of divorce. If you commit a felony and get imprisoned before your divorce you most likely will not be the one paying alimony. If you are imprisoned after your divorce and alimony payments are set then you still have to pay. Unless you get your payments altered in court.Could vary per state though.
/r/MensRights18/04/21 01:03 PM
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Nope
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 12:05 PM
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I don’t think it’s necessarily racist. I say this as a poc myself who’s been stereotyped. If the stats are accurate it’s fair to be wary around strangers especially of strangers in groups more prone to violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 12:05 PM
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Even with charity it’s supply and demand. If more men seek out the services more will crop up. Currently there’s a few because not a lot of men show up. The places that do exist have enough resources to help more men if more men came to them. When women’s da resources first became a thing it was the same deal. They didn’t exist until there was a large demand from women for them. Then they started cropping up and the support is what we see today.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 11:52 AM
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Nope
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 10:39 AM
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Not
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 10:38 AM
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It’s not
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 10:32 AM
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It’s not the truth though, it’s just what you’ve chosen to believe
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 10:13 AM
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Most women don’t hate all men because of their concerns. They still date men, have male acquaintances, friends and family members. They’re just cautious around strange men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 10:12 AM
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It’s been like this for centuries. Those who made it to the top were always the ones who were willing to compromise on morals and ethics.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 10:11 AM
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I have I used to be a part of it until my views on the world changed. They’re a small movement with not enough men supporting and making excuses about why they don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 10:09 AM
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It wouldn’t be bad or good if our species didn’t exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 10:07 AM
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They both make it to old age so women living to be even older isn’t a plus. When you’re old you’re weak and frail. Men claim they’re disadvantaged in dating and family court yet they don’t stop pursuing women and having kids. Guess there issues aren’t that bad there either.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 10:06 AM
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It’s still applies today. Older single women are only looked at positively by other older single women or young women who aspire to be like them. Other people don’t look at it positively.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 10:05 AM
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A lot of them aren’t even out of court settling. Some don’t even bring in a mediator. The parents will decide on their own what custody arrangement they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 10:03 AM
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Except women aren’t doing something wrong. They’re just making an observation on male behavior. One guy was confused so I clarified which men are being talked about.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 10:02 AM
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It should be a give for whoever took care of the kids pre-divorce.
/r/MensRights18/04/21 01:27 AM
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Did I say trauma or did I say the pain of childbirth? What does rape have to do with anything? I’m glad you feel that way. We’re on the same page then. Things would be better if men were the ones to get pregnant. You’re the only one referring to it as traumatic and they can talk about the pain of childbirth because they remember what happened but the flood of oxy they get once their baby is in there arms makes them forget the pain of it. The morning sickness, hair loss, squished organs, ripped p…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 01:16 AM
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No they can still take care of their kids.
/r/MensRights18/04/21 01:11 AM
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So that they can stop dramatically complaining that women not wanting to have sex with them is rejection on a genetic level and so they can understand why even if/when that’s true it’s not a bad thing. Also like I said a lot of men view pregnancy as no big deal and claim it is a great privilege women have over men and that there’s no downsides or the downsides don’t balance out the positives. So, it would be awesome if men could take that on.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 12:44 AM
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It lists 4. Scroll all the way down the other 3 are at the very bottom. The URI nyc one in the article is broken so here it is again
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 12:40 AM
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Women are hardwired to forget most of the pain of childbirth. The lasting after effects though like hair loss, loose skin, discoloration etc are a source of insecurity for many mothers. So it’s not a bunch of bs. Your logic is silly anyway. Men’s complaints about women must be bs since men keep chasing after women. Honestly and truly though I wish just as much as you that men were the ones to get pregnant. That’d be amazing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 12:29 AM
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So that kids can be born without women having to deal with that mess anymore. So many like to trivialize it and treat it like there’s no downsides. So it’s be great if they were the ones to birth the babies instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 12:26 AM
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Assholes get more play because they aggressively and persistently go after what they want. This brings them success(at least short term anyway) in nearly all aspects of life, business, sex etc. Everything else you said applies 100% to depps situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 12:24 AM
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Not necessarily depends on why you’re a virgin. Some men are virgins for religious reasons but they still know how to talk to women and they have relationships and are affectionate but stop short at sex. Then there’s other men who aren’t virgins by choice those are the type that typically lack social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 11:44 PM
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The guy that knows how to talk to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 11:41 PM
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Do you feel it’s misogynistic for men to be concerned about cheating high N women, false rape/sexual assault allegations and divorce rape and other statistically backed poor female behaviors?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 11:38 PM
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Johnny Depp is an apex man he has more options and opportunity than the average woman. So if the vetting better logic applies to women it applies to him too.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 11:24 PM
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It’s true. Look at who is in power and running most countries. Vast majority are wealthy men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 11:23 PM
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No rich men are better off than rich women. They are more respected and have more power. Plus there’s more of them so they set the stage among the elites.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 11:21 PM
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The single older woman thing is completely untrue. They’re called cat ladies and spinsters.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 11:19 PM
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The same reason a woman who’s too experienced is considered disgusting but a man can never have too much experience and it makes him a stud.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 11:18 PM
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Most universities and jobs don’t employ those practices. So what privileges do poc women have?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 11:17 PM
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They’re not. Rich men are the most privileged group on the planet.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 11:16 PM
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Why is it petulant to not support someone that doesn’t support you?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 11:15 PM
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It’s still men doing it no matter what race.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 11:12 PM
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Also,some of what you stated is inaccurate. Most custody agreements are decided outside of family court and the family court scene has changed now that mothers work outside the home and fathers spend more time with their children. The courts prefer split custody but make exceptions if one person did the overwhelming majority of the childcare. https://www.msmfamilylaw.com/blog/2015/november/are-fathers-less-likely-to-get-custody-during-a-/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hawkinslawllc.com/father…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 10:53 PM
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Ok, that’s your business.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 10:37 PM
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Men aren’t leading the feminist movement. They’re just allies. The main voices and actual leaders are women. Same with black movements. There’s non-black allies but black people lead the charge.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 10:03 PM
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No you wouldn’t
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 10:02 PM
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That’s the attitude most non feminists have. They ask what she was wearing, what she was doing, why she was in that situation, why she trusted that guy etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 09:44 PM
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Probably because men don’t really lead the charge on their own issue to a great enough degree. People can’t lead your movement for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 09:43 PM
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These women should do what men do and quit their jobs pre-divorce so they don’t have to pay.
/r/MensRights17/04/21 09:40 PM
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You just won’t stop underrating the consequences of pregnancy
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 09:16 PM
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Also men are now free to get surrogates an option that wasn’t available before. So a lot of men who aren’t reproducing in modern times either can afford kids or they don’t want them. Being able to reproduce more easily than a man does nothing for me as I don’t want bio kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 09:16 PM
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It’s of much higher value than longevity. Not to the degree that pregnancy does. Aging wouldn’t rearrange my organs, have something feeding of my nutrients for months, make me lose hair and teeth, break my rips, tear me from my vagina to my anus under the age of 40. Having a kid would. This doesn’t happen to men and it balances out the fact that they reproduce at lower rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 09:13 PM
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At the cost of her youth and body. Something that’s irreplaceable.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 09:05 PM
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The cost does balance things out. His contribution to procreation is a few minutes of pleasure(or However long it takes him to cum and his sperm to take) Her contribution is her body being in a weakened compromised state for 8-10 months, stretch marks, loose skin, discoloration, potential hair and tooth loss etc. it definitely balances out. Men’s ignorance of the negatives of pregnancy is astounding. If I could I’d wave a wand and switch reproductive roles with a man in a heartbeat.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 08:43 PM
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Attention from random men. It’s done more harm than good for me imo. Also pregnancy, casual sex and homemaking like you said. The more I learn about pregnancy the more I wish men were the ones who got pregnant instead. Or that we could at least transfer the baby into the man like seahorses.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 08:27 PM
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Men here claim femcels do get this attention though. Their issue is that they struggle more than the average woman to find something genuine.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 08:22 PM
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There is balance. Them being able to reproduce at higher rates is balanced out by the cost to their body.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 08:15 PM
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Nature balances things out. Women can find someone to give them sperm easier than men can find someone to gestate their child. However pregnancy does nothing to a mans body while for a woman it sucks away your energy, your looks, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 08:05 PM
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So they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 07:52 PM
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Rig: “manage or conduct (something) fraudulently so as to produce a result or situation that is advantageous to a particular person.” Fraudulently: “in a way that involves deception, especially criminal deception.” Nature is not doing this. Longevity has nothing to do with rigging. Married men live longer. Marriage makes them more beta and less reckless so they don’t engage in as many things that would lead to a premature. Unmarried men could choose to live in a similar way if they chose to but …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 07:40 PM
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They’re getting it from men who are angry and try to tear down “you go girl” culture out of jealousy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 06:13 PM
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?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 06:11 PM
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Again, you show your lack of intellect. That’s you. You clearly don’t know what the word requirement means. If a hypothetical scenario needs to come to fruition for the mandate to be enacted then that’s not a requirement. You know it’s not a requirement which is why you keep evading. You are drinking too much lead. Again, that’s you bud. We have filtered water now. Try it sometime. Again, you have proven my point. I thank you. We DECIDED that women and children go first. We DECIDED to protect th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 06:07 PM
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You are just flat ass wrong. Seriously just flat fucking wrong. Jesus man, you don't even know what the draft is. Holy shit. Ok, so have you gone to war? How many young men do you know that have been sent of to war as a result of the draft? When were women allowed in combat positions? Start with the US Army. Approx 2015 and there’s already regret over the decision because they’re viewed as less effective and more high maintenance combat soldiers. Oh child, it's not a fallacy--it was the point of…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 05:41 PM
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You are the one being intellectually dishonest by trying to assert that being required to sign up for the draft = being required to go to war. This is a logical fallacy. Which is probably why you keep dodging the question. Have you gone to war? I take it the answer is no because despite the bs you’ve espoused here today US men are not required to go to war. You also committed another fallacy by assuming that men are drafted because they’re disposable. If it was about protecting women and male di…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 05:09 PM
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Seeing as the draft hasn’t been reinstated in almost 50 years I’m not holding my breath. So no it’s not equal to men being required to go to war. Otherwise a deployment to a hot zone would be an intrinsic part of signing up for the draft. As it’s not, and men in the draft aren’t even required to do non-combat service you can not say that men are required to go to war. Are you sure you’re not trolling?? I’m assuming you’re over 18, have you gone to war? Surely you must have since it’s a “requirem…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 04:51 PM
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They’re not required because they’re viewed as less combat effective. People in power want the strongest fighters too. Not just numbers. Being required to sign up for the draft =\= being required to go to war.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 04:44 PM
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That’s what men decided to do. Powerful men chose to exploit poorer men to fight for resources for them. The draft was one way they set out to do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 04:41 PM
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Men are not required to go to war. They haven’t actually used the selective service since 1973. The people who have been sent to war have been men and women who volunteered for military service. They also are not going to war for the love and protection of women like you tried to assert earlier. Have you gone to war? If you want the discussion to end you’re free to stop replying but I’m not going to buy your nonsense and concede just because you want me to. You have to actually be correct. Which…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 04:38 PM
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Men are not required in the US. The draft hasn’t been used since 1973 and we don’t have compulsory service like South Korea. So everyone from the US who has gone off to war in modern times was a volunteer. Maybe you’re talking about a different country though idk. I’m not in over my head. You’re just spouting nonsense and are upset I don’t agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 04:30 PM
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Being able to have a child without carrying it. Having so much natural strength. Being able to pee standing up. Being able to be sexually liberated without judgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 03:54 PM
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They can claim they don’t provide sex all they want but that doesn’t make it true.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 03:49 PM
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Nature is not a being and has no consciousness or moral desires. So it can not “rig” anything. Them being more successful at procreation and living longer doesn’t mean things are rigged in their favor. They’re more successful at procreation because women don’t need as much investment from men to procreate as men need from women. That’s not rigging. As for them living longer women are generally more risk averse than men are. Living uninhibited and wild can be fun but it also can mean a shorter li…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 03:49 PM
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When a war happens women are sent to fight as well. They send infantry and whatever other MOS they need. Most of which are comprised of men and women who will be deployed. Men aren’t sent because they’re expendable. They send whoever is combat ready. Something that’s easier for men to achieve because they’re generally stronger and more muscular than women. Men are not expected to protect women. The expression women and children first was propaganda because the weren’t being put first. It’s like …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 03:47 PM
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In your opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 09:40 AM
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The host thing in Japan is pretty similar to young women and girls in the US simping for and shelling out cash for hot e-boys to do nothing, and to women and girls paying hot men and boys with nice voices to make content saying whatever they request. Escorts do have sex. They’re just classier prostitutes that have more in their job description. Sex is part of that job description though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 12:53 AM
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Men don’t go to war to protect women. Men go to war for resources and poor and low class men are recruited to fight with the promise of money and opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 12:49 AM
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It’s not rigged though it’s being manipulated by a being or person. And what do you mean by preferred for procreation?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 12:42 AM
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I understand what you’re saying what I’m saying is they have 100% choice where the results are concerned. Only exception being if their life or life of a loved one was at risk if they chose something that the person intimidating them didn’t like.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 11:45 PM
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Because you keep saying their choices are the fault of someone else. They’re not though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 11:23 PM
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What do you mean relationships wouldn’t have been a thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 11:22 PM
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The method of obtaining the numbers aren’t highly flawed. Also you’re assuming they’re worthless. They still can be very useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 11:22 PM
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That’s not the definition though? Rigged: Rigged is defined as something in the proper order for use, or is something that is fixed in a dishonest way to guarantee a desired outcome. fraudulently manipulated by someone to get their desired outcome Unless you believe in a higher power this wasn’t a conscious choice made by a being for humans to be the way they are. Women are expendable and we have a shelf life while men don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 11:21 PM
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I’m confused though because you said if I was born as someone else then put in parentheses, same personality and everything else. So I took that to mean I’d be “different” but the core of me would be the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 11:19 PM
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Hate? Meh. Stereotypes definitely are though. Humans default to generalizing and bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 11:18 PM
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We have escort services for men and women here as they do in Japan. Host/hostesses are different than escorts though. They don’t even sleep with most of their clients. People don’t solicit them for that, they go for romantic conversation and one on one flirtation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 11:17 PM
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If they do something to you physically it can affect you. If they do something to you emotionally you’ll have hurt feelings but ultimately how you choose to process and express those emotions is entirely up to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 11:14 PM
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Nope. You also said this, “I stand by my opinion. Biased stats are worthless stats.” Your view of bias was lack of comprehensive data(in your opinion) a criteria crime stats and most sociological stats fit into. So following your train of thought, those would also be worthless. Also it’s skepticism
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 09:31 PM
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I don’t have to twist anything. Nor did I
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 09:18 PM
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Nope. Not at all
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 09:12 PM
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If the core of me(personality and everything) is the same but I look different why wouldn’t I make the same choices? That means I’m the same person but with a different shell.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 09:06 PM
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That’s life
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 09:05 PM
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Not at all. How he chooses to deal with his emotions is entirely up to him. He’s completely in control of that. The resulting actions still would take place. Many men go through the situation you described and they don’t kill themselves. It’s a matter of resiliency. People who aren’t resilient would suffer from any unfortunate circumstance. If it wasn’t divorce rape and losing their kids it’s be losing a job, getting sick, or something else. They just don’t have the capacity to deal with extreme…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 09:05 PM
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You would literally have to act like an infant for that to happen. Women are allowed A LOT (heavy emphasis here) of emotionality before it starts pissing us off. No you wouldn’t. You’d just have to have any emotions. When someone is ill equipped to deal with feelings or they don’t want to deal with your feelings it doesn’t matter what you do. They don’t want to hear it. Of course ;) ?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 08:58 PM
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If it’s biological that’s not exactly “rigged”, it’s out of human control. Also which sex it’s rigged against depends on what you value. Personally I feel like biology is rigged against women but I’m not mad about it. It’s unchangeable currently. So it is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 08:55 PM
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Definitely not. They don’t have that where my parents are from and we don’t have that in America.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 08:51 PM
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Ok so when you want to punch someone in the head for disrespecting you, but you don’t. What is in control of that decision if not you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 04:31 PM
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All those slaps looked like the hurt. The second woman he slapped got pushed back from the force.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 04:30 PM
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Maybe it’s because I don’t get that emotional over relationships but if I was the person cheated on I wouldn’t be that mad. I’d just cut contact with all of them and if I was that mad I’d ruin the friends relationships or my exes relationships with friends and family. Emotional pain for emotional pain. I personally wouldn’t help a friend cheat either but I also know that if I was dating a guy and his friends helped him cheat I can’t be mad at them. They’re loyal to my boyfriend not me. They didn…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 04:30 PM
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The actual % doesn’t matter for stigmas. Less than 10% of black people are violent criminals yet that’s our stereotype. That’s just the way people operate. If it happens more than once or twice it’ll become a stigma.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 04:27 PM
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Yes and that drug addicted woman will always be your biological mother so there’s no point being upset at the fact that she’s who birthed you. You can’t change that reality. Focus on things you can control and change instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 04:25 PM
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They still have internet communities. They can hype each other up there and motivate each other to keep progressing
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 04:23 PM
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Men don’t lose attraction they lose interest which is worse imo. They’ll still sleep with you but they’ll be annoyed and trivialize your feelings or gaslight you. I’d rather just get dumped lol. I never really lost attraction, the relationships ended if there were things we couldn’t work out like distance, life goals etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 04:22 PM
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The ones concerning people all are going by your standards
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 04:20 PM
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We’re not islands but you have to do your best with the hand you’re dealt. Sexless men often have friends so they can acknowledge each other or online communities where they congregate could work on changing the culture and they can be a positive support system for each other. Instead of telling each other it’s over and to rope they can congratulate each other on achievements and foster a “you go bro” type of environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 01:26 PM
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Yes, they aren’t his friends and have no loyalty to him. If he was that upset he could’ve emotionally harmed them back. Yet he chose violence. If I was one of the friends I would’ve grabbed a machete or the cinder block to defend myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 01:25 PM
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If you’re mentally ill that’s a different story but it’s still no ones fault but your own for your behavior. It’s just that you unfortunately can’t help acting that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 01:23 PM
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The only claim I made was that men of all races are more prone to violence than women. The incel mass murderers and the man who murdered all those women in Atlanta didn’t think it was a dumb reason though
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 01:22 PM
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It also may not have been ritualistic and none of those women hit him.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 01:07 PM
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He slapped her friends too. Violence is never better. Unless you’re ok losing your life too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 01:02 PM
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Men don't "punish" Women for being emotional. Yes they do. You are. It does inherently react unfavorably to it. Your views about relationships don't change this anymore than they change how much you like dick vs pussy. You won’t. I’ve never felt this way about a man who’s been emotional with me. If it’s something I could help him fix I would if it’s not I’m still sympathetic. I’m not a minority either. It really depends on how you view men and relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 12:57 PM
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His own health and happiness. You should want to be a better person for your own health, happiness and prosperity. Otherwise it’s unsustainable. I mean kill people if you want I guess but you’ll be worse off than where you started if they catch you alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 12:51 PM
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It’s not a rigged game. It’s because of human biology and it won’t change until men can get pregnant or artificial wombs are viable and affordable.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 12:49 PM
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Yes. That’s like being mad that the sun melts things. It’s futile and a waste of energy to be mad about things you can’t change.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 12:48 PM
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When you brought up competence I thought it was in reference to people using violence instead of their words or leaving. If you’re talking another victims of emotional abuse they are empowered and there’s a lot of resources and discussion on identifying emotional abuse and learning how to deal with it. You can walk away from emotional harm much more easily. I can’t outrun a bullet but I can walk away from and block someone who degrades me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 12:47 PM
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Sure, but they don't date women as men. But we date men as women as men and there’s a lot of mutual issues. Emotional neglect/unsupportive partners is one of them. AWALT is about female sexuality and nature. Female sexuality doesn't react to men's weakness favorably. It doesn’t react to it inherently unfavorably either. It depends more on how the woman was socialized and how she views men. You’re not going to get wet over your partner struggling but you’re not going to be disgusted and want to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 12:44 PM
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Ok and? Chicks can still encounter emotionally neglectful unsupportive people. Also AWALT is a lie. Vet who you let into your life more carefully. Jacking off still gets you off just as well as sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 12:37 PM
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Just jack off and it is a bad relationship thing. I’ve encountered both men and women like that in friendships and relationships. If you’re emotionally giving and they’re not just drop them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 12:28 PM
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If they’re that incompetent then they don’t need to be out and about in society without a guardian. No I’m comparing bad emotional harm to bad physical harm. Unless someone has you locked up or tied to them to where you can’t leave the emotional abuse can only continue if you allow it. Yes it’s very hard to leave, it’s not easy and you can start believing what they say but ultimately it’s not the same as physical violence where you have no control over the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 12:25 PM
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Considering women still sleep with men nothing men do turns women off from men as a whole. Lonely single men who are stigmatized didn’t have women interested to begin with so the stigma changes nothing there either.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 12:23 PM
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They actually do, same with military and cops. They have higher rates of violence and they get stuck with that stigma.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 12:21 PM
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They could get it out of their system by going to therapy and behaving like mature rational adults instead of violently attacking people like children. Like I used to tell the kids I cared for, “use your words not your hands and if they’re not willing to reason remove yourself from the situation” Physical violence is more damage. Me calling degrading you won’t immediately link to your death or hospitalization but me shooting you, or bashing your head with a blunt heavy object etc will. Also bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 12:20 PM
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Which isn’t a bad thing. It’s better to be single than in a bad relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 12:13 PM
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It’s about escalation and equal damage. He could’ve emotionally abused his gf or cheated in retaliation and it wouldn’t have had such a polarizing response. He changed the game and escalated to violence, so they could’ve responded with violence as well and not been wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 12:11 PM
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That’s what I’m trying to figure out. . .
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 12:09 PM
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It’s not black people. It’s the men. I say this as a black person. Men of all races are more prone to violent crime than their female counterparts.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 12:08 PM
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Work stress, uncontrollable life circumstances, loss of a loved one or genetic depression. A lot of things outside of emotional abuse can lead to a person feeling helpless, worthless and like they’d be better off dead. It’s not ok, because it’s just cyclical. What if one of the women he slapped decided to shoot him or mace him? They’d be within their rights to and it would be considered self-defense.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 12:06 PM
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Japan isn’t really a good example. Hostess bars and clubs, paying for a girlfriend experience etc are just as common as host bars.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 12:03 PM
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It’s not what aboutism. What you described in your post was emotional neglect and lack of support. That’s a common issue for people trying form quality friendships and relationships. The only people you can be emotionally vulnerable with are your parents if you were lucky enough to have good ones. Everyone else has to be vetted.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 11:59 AM
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Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 11:45 AM
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Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 11:44 AM
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Not all suicides are the result of emotional abuse and there’s resources and support for suicide. Emotional abuse isn’t accepted either it’s just not legally regulated
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 11:44 AM
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Men don’t want to do it either. Even when they’re in a relationship. There’s just as many men like this as there are women. It’s just that women are more likely to leave men like this than men are to leave women who are like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 10:31 AM
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It’s because emotional damage is more reparable than physical damage. Also physical violence and emotional violence can be linked. Like an emotionally abusive person beating their victim
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 10:25 AM
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Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 10:19 AM
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This isn’t a gendered issue. most people do not give a crap about other peoples problems unless they have a very deep connection with them. You can’t be vulnerable with just any and everybody. If you’re in a romantic relationship and find that your partner is emotionally neglectful you should leave. Too many people would rather stay in a bad relationship than he single. So the reason men’s stands are lower here is they get less sexual attention so they’re less likely to cut a bad egg loose. Whil…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 10:18 AM
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It isn’t women’s behavior. You have full control over how you act. I grew up around crappy men, I didn’t let it turn me into an alcoholic, criminal or any kind of degenerate.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 10:14 AM
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I’m not sure what you mean? So are you saying why should the victim not react to the victimizer violently or am I misinterpreting?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 10:11 AM
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All three of them though? Why not just the gf. They’re her friends not his. His friends probably have covered and would cover for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 10:02 AM
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Because a therapist can heal your trust issues but currently a doctor can’t completely restore your mobility or bring you back to life if you’re battered too hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 10:00 AM
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Women typically prefer men their own age. The idea of dating a guy even a couple years younger skeeves me out. I’d feel like a sexual predator. Also what would even be the point? What would I get relationship wise from a 18-20 year that I wouldn’t from another 23 year old? Going by your example though the 45 year old woman would have to raise that 25 year old man. He’d bring nothing to the table. If she just wanted young peen she could solicit an escort or have a trist with a young man from a po…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 09:51 AM
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So then we can’t use stats
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 12:44 AM
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Ok. . .?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 10:33 PM
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Depends on your course load, how strict your prof is and how quickly you pick up the material
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 04:56 PM
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My education. Setting the foundation for a good career so I can make money to survive was more important to me. I think it was reasonable and it paid off. Im hitting my financial milestones according to plan. Academically I was successful. I was still able to date too but I didn’t prioritize my relationship over my studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 04:55 PM
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A man would care lol. If you put a pillow over their face, avoid kissing/eye contact they get offended and get turned off. Men who feel that way about the women they can get end up feeling that way in the relationships too. Which is why I don’t understand why men are confused that women feel the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 04:49 PM
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It’s actually very common for men to do that, which is why I don’t get why they’re all up in arms when women do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 04:46 PM
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It’s extremely important. If he’s not wildly attracted to you, you’ll be an abused flesh light at worst and an emotionally neglected flesh light and incubator at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 04:43 PM
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That’s the message most of the men spread here anyway. They go around claiming most women make the cut if they’re not fat and that it’s women’s pickiness causing the “sexlessness epidemic” as if men don’t have their own tastes and preferences too.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 04:41 PM
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No man would be happy about just being viewed as meh either and that’s the whole reason they complain about being the beta or safe boyfriend. People want their partner to love and lust after them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 04:38 PM
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Ok so all crime stats are useless and no one should have an opinion on it. Gotcha!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 04:29 PM
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I don’t have any girlfriends that cheat. There’s one that thought about it but after we all had a sit down and talk as a group about her relationship she came to realize it had just run it’s course and it was time to break up with him. No one has actually gone through with cheating though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 11:53 AM
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I haven’t said anything is false. I said inaccurate. Your numbers were off.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 09:46 AM
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We can infer. Especially considering your numbers are way off. Only about 30% of sexual assault/rape are ever reported. Are you maybe referring to the CDC survey data? Or NVAW or NCVS? Even going off those numbers it’s not enough to explain the discrepancy between men and women for reported crime. Those still show it happening to women more than men. The only thing they really negate is the type of sexual assault men face. Going off just reported crime you’d think most sexually assaulted men wer…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 12:56 AM
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So because you don’t like them and they don’t conform to your bias they shouldn’t be considered. Do you keep this attitude for all stats? Because all stats have a margin of error. Crime stats especially because crime is underreported so you can never be 100% accurate but you can get as close as possible based on what is reported
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 12:27 AM
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Nope. The numbers are the best we have so we go with what we have until more evidence is presented
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 08:31 AM
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So it would be accepted or excused? No adult acting like that would be accepted and excused. The person they’re doing it too would just be less intimated if they’re less physically imposing. OP's argument is terrible because if strength is the measurement we are using then women need special protection, Shariah law style, just to go outside. I don’t know how you jumped to this conclusion. They don’t need special protection. They just need to be vigilant which they already are. Be aware of your s…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 08:30 AM
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It’s not my bias. It’s going with the best we got. All crime is underreported but we work with the numbers we do have.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 03:00 AM
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Not by a big enough margin to explain the disparity. It’s not my bias. I’m just going with the numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 02:53 AM
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They’re as accurate as we can get. If all of it is underreported yet you still have more cases of one sex doing it than the other. High chance they just do it more.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 02:47 AM
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All sexual harassment and assault is underreported. However the figures that are reported give a pretty good look at the frequency each gender perpetrates sexual crimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 02:37 AM
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It wouldn’t be “ok” socially speaking but that guy wouldn’t be viewed as a threat to the same degree as a bigger man would. He’d probably be viewed similarly to a woman acting like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 02:31 AM
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I have. My brother is 13 and he’s a scrawny gamer boy. If my sister and I weren’t more skilled at fighting than him he’d beat us both up no problem. By pure strength even scrawny weaker men are stronger than most women. They’re weak compared to men, not women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 02:28 AM
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Yet she literally just said she’s encountered other men who are just as ugly and uglier who didn’t give her a creepy vibe. It’s not just about being ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 02:27 AM
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No when people think body builders they think of the huge jacked guys like Mr. T. While with lean muscle they think of the Micheal Phelps body type.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 02:24 AM
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It’s being compared to other men. He could beat most women up but he’d also probably get beat up by most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 02:23 AM
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They’re weaker than other men but they’re still lost likely stronger than the woman and if they’re unaware of social cues and boundaries they’re going to be labeled creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 02:21 AM
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It’s a very solid point. If it wasn’t told from his point of view but the victims instead there’d be a very different reaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 02:19 AM
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Fair point but that’s usually more uncommon than men who date women who aren’t their type because they can’t get their type.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/21 10:06 PM
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All the time in the summer. They have shorts on but theres some that walk around the streets topless and that’s a sexual cue.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/21 09:33 AM
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Nah, some of them the girl was fat to begin with and they still got with her because they couldn’t do any better.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/21 01:28 AM
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Loneliness and desperation
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/21 01:09 AM
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Wealth is more valuable than relationships. You can use wealth to buy a relationship much easier than you can use love to acquire wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 11:15 PM
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Men can have sexual access but still watch porn because their girlfriend is not their type or they have some fetishes that they can’t/ won’t do with her. It’s not always a dead bedroom situation that leads to porn use. Plus men that excessively used it before getting into a relationship have a very hard time stopping if they gave themselves death grip. They basically gave themselves ED and there’s nothing their partner can do about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 11:14 PM
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Men being shirtless is a sexual cue. Have you not seen magazine covers? Male GQ or Calvin Klein models? They’re shirtless and they have them wear tight pants or underwear that accentuates their penis.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 11:04 PM
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It really plays no role. I got cat called and stared at in elementary school dress code attire and at that time I had absolutely no figure. Some men really just don’t care. Whether you’re dressed provocatively or not they’re going to stare. Women’s clothing has no bearing on men’s self control.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 11:02 PM
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All objectification is the same at the root: your humanity is stripped away and you’re just a thing for their pleasure and consumption. How far it gets depends on how quickly you pick up on what’s happening and what you allow. I think what you’re talking about is being sexualized. Which is a little different.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 09:38 PM
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An ugly guy who turned attractive would not be ok with that. I have a male friend now who was a late bloomer. He was really skinny in high school and from like 11th grade he started bulking and working out religiously. He always had a good face and when he had the body to match he got a lot of female attention. Which he enjoyed at first until he started feeling like a piece of meat that was only good for secret dick appointments. Then the attention and sex became disheartening because he wanted …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 04:59 PM
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I’ve never met a woman that’s had a good catcall experience
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 02:02 PM
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Getting sad over death or failure won’t change things either. Yet people still do it. It’s cathartic for some people and it helps them process and move past it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 02:01 PM
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99.9% of the time that’s what happens. If they don’t follow you. They’ll still go off on you for not responding. In the worst cases they’ll try to do something to you like throw stuff or physically intimidate you. All catcalling crosses that line, it’s why it’s called catcalling and not just a compliment.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 12:03 PM
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Catcalling isn’t a compliment. They try to follow you and get rude and aggressive if you don’t respond positively or ignore them. That’s harassment. Would you want some strange woman you’re not attracted following you home, to or school because she thinks your junk looks good? And would you like her to degrade and insult you because you reject her? As I said, men wish it was them until it is. It’s the same as men wishing a woman would rape them. They say that until one does. Then they sing a dif…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 11:43 AM
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Also complimenting someone on their body doesn't mean that you only want them for sex. Men understand that, which is why most of them love it when women compliment them, especially for their body A compliment is not objectification. You and I both know this. It’s when you strip away all the human aspects of someone and only want them for one thing. It hits women doubly hard because when it comes to sex, if they’re only valued for that they viewed as less than. Men aren’t viewed as less than if t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 10:27 AM
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Just look at the consensus when men discuss women wanting them for their utility vs their humanity. Also here’s one example: https://www.reddit.com/r/dating_advice/comments/3049sg/do_women_only_want_me_for_sex_27m/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Do women only want me for sex? (27m) Ok women of reddit. I am hoping you can help me out with this. Ill start off by saying I am a good looking alpha type guy, 6'5 220 athletic former rugby player, football player and avid weightlift…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 10:18 AM
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Men who’ve never experienced it want it because they have the mentality that it’s a fun awesome thing. Men who’ve actually experienced it though start espousing views similar to women because it’s dehumanizing and not a good feeling. So men want it until it happens to them, then they start singing a different tune.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 09:38 AM
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Since straight men don’t treat other men with any form of sexual attraction it’s much easier for them to look at other men through a neutral and healthy lens. As I keep saying the problem isn’t the sexual attraction it’s how it’s expressed. A lot of men struggle with seeing women as human if they’re also sexually attracted to her. Plenty of men don’t have this issue because they either never did or they worked through it so it’s possible to see someone sexually while also seeing them as a person…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 09:36 AM
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Idk about in general but if they have negative moral views towards porn but not only fans that’s why. Many women know what it’s like to have their nudes leaked, an ex secretly record and spread it or they’ve seen it happen to a friend. So they will come to view porn the way I described above.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 09:33 AM
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Men do know they’re doing it. They just don’t think anything is wrong with it until it’s done to them. Then they understand how it feels to be on the receiving end. What women want is default human treatment. It’s how most women treat other women and how straight men treat other men. With neutrality unless given an actual reason to do otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 02:08 AM
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If you can be sexually attracted to them without projecting overly positive or overly negative attributes to them then yes. It goes beyond just simple sexual attraction it’s how you choose to express your sexual attraction that can be an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 01:44 AM
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They understand that’s how men think and feel and they find it reprehensible and want to change men’s thinking. That’s why they go on and on about objectification and porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 01:37 AM
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The type of feminists who complain about porn in general also complain about only fans because they feel that also contributes to objectification of women. They also deem only fans creators who promote the lifestyle groomers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 01:23 AM
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This is like saying men shouldn’t get mad at women abusing men because men abuse women. If someone did something wrong to you, you’re allowed to be upset regardless of whether or not other members of your sex engage in the same bad behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 01:16 AM
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And people who are lied to are not going to be happy about it. Nothing wrong with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 01:15 AM
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Because only fans has a better vetting process than most mainstream porn sites, you can jack off to only fans content knowing that the participants are legal aged, consenting and that it’s not revenge porn. With other sites you never really know. If mainstream porn sites were better about this women wouldn’t care. Mainstream sites have the ability to do so as well. When people threaten to lawyer up all of a sudden they can take specific videos down.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 01:13 AM
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Because a lot of men struggle with seeing women as human when they’re sexually attracted to her. They either pedestalize her and see her as a goddess or they see her as a tool for his sexual relief. Immature men who can’t properly deal with their sexuality struggle to see women as people who are flawed, varied and who have their own motivations and desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 01:11 AM
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No problem (:
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 01:07 AM
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Have a condom on hand. After you’re making out and escalating in that direction pull out the condom then you can ask “you ready” in a sultry sweet manner with a little peck and a smile and get it on if she says yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 08:46 PM
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Let me make sure I got it straight, you’re asking about a girl you’re just hooking up with who you don’t really know? Like no sexual discussions or anything prior to the hookup in question?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 11:05 AM
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If she’s into dirty talk “You want me to fuck you” “You gonna take this d*ck” Things like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 10:06 AM
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He was trying to set up the argument that womens sexuality should be under male control, which is why he got offended when the topic of male sexuality was brought up. It’d give him the opportunity to segue into saying how women are hypo-agentic, “not real adults” and how men being in charge of women’s sexuality is good for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 04:55 PM
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Not true. Some people just are not attractive at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 08:10 PM
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It did just happen because you incorporate the asking for consent into the dirty talk so there’s still plausible deniability while also enthusiastic consent
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 01:27 AM
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Which you can still do while asking for consent
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 01:24 AM
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Asking for consent doesn’t kill the mood if you do it right.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 01:14 AM
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No they call themselves sluts in a bragging way. They’re definitely straight it’s just them trying to be lighthearted while talking about their promiscuity.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 09:45 PM
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Yeah that’s usually how I hear them use it. Or if they’re talking about why they can’t do relationships they’ll say they’re a slut, massive slut, too much of a slut etc
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 03:41 PM
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The bitch comment for sure but not the slut one. Straight men label themselves that way all the time. They use all the labels.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 03:37 PM
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Men can definitely be bitches and sluts. Some call themselves these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 03:20 PM
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I doubt that’s it as you can find women all over socially media openly and publicly announcing their physical preferences and repulsions. The reason they say this is because looks aren’t enough or the end all be all of female attraction. There’s also a lot of “gray area” men who’s behaviors, personality and aura will dictate whether or not they fall into the fuckable/dateable or dumpster category.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 03:19 PM
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Yea but its not as stark as for us. For men its like a slope but for women its a zero sum dual mating strategy depending on your attraction. When men look at attractive woman, we don't treat a 7 that much different than an 8. Its like zero difference. A 6 might be treated differently than a 9 but thats a huge difference. Woman also don't find as many of us attractive so there are way more 6-8 woman in mens eyes vs 6-8 men in a womans eyes. The threshold for hot is lower for guys. It’s not that s…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 12:08 PM
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I can imagine. Sometimes hearing that stuff is hurtful so I'd rather not. It doesn’t hurt my feelings a lot of the stuff I hear is just funny or shocking but not in an offensive or disheartening way. It’s just a reaffirmation that there’s all types of people in this world. That's true. I don't know too many angry dudes even the incel types, but I see what you're saying. It depends on the girl but I don't think guys like it when she's "giving you a chance" because it means they're not good enough…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/21 01:06 AM
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lol @ u eavesdropping. I didn't know that about snapchat but I can only speak for me and men like me that would prefer to keep things under wraps like women. Like I said I’m nosy lol. It’s not a good trait to have but honestly the things people say and do when they think no one is paying attention is funny and sometimes crazy. Which is why its starts as a one time thing and then just turns into FWB's. But if they’re not a good person that one time thing can ruin you. I would wear a bag over my h…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 06:05 PM
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No for women it’s both character and money but they’ll pick and choose depending on what they have and what they can attract
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 01:00 PM
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Again I don't know what sort of crowds you hang around but this just isn't common. Thats highschool frat boy behavior. Very few people even have nudes anymore you just share on snap and its gone. That one guy is an ex friend for a reason but I hang out with grown adults and it’s disturbingly common from what I’ve noticed. I’m just nosy and eavesdrop a lot and among adults it’s definitely not just frat boys doing it. Also on snap you can screenshot on snap chat without the person knowing if you t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 11:09 AM
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but more likely. Again not necessarily it depends on the circumstances. A woman could be less attracted to her partner than she would be a “chad” but that’s different from not finding him attractive at all. If she finds him attractive. They have matching libidos and they know each other’s turn ons and how to get each other off they’ll be fine. Nah very few men expose that stuff to people outside their best-friends if anything. They shouldn’t be exposing it to people at all. You can send nudes an…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 11:32 PM
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headed for r/deadbedrooms Not necessarily. Oh there are definitely more men than women on the scene. My point is that there are fewer quality men from a women's perspective. Because the dick isn’t good, too many men like exposing their hookups and then there’s the std and pregnancy risks. If men on the scene tried harder to make women come and they were more discrete more women would do it. Why would you want to risk be branded a hoe, pregnancy and std when you’re not when getting an orgasm out …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 11:50 PM
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I go for girl I want to... I don't screen for casual sex, because I will have less and uglier options. No you won’t. As I said earlier there’s overlap. You have the same quality options and quantity is up to your game and sex skills. it does matter in my experience, hottest girl are looking for ltrs usually and if you aren't some very high status guy they won't just be down for casual, so it's better to lie to them. Maybe the 10s because beauty is currency but 8s have hookups and fuckbuddies and…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 11:44 PM
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No, I am not lmao already told, if I am honest and upfront I will shoot myself in the foot lot of times. So whatever I'm doing is more efficient. Not if you go for girls that want fuckbuddies. Nope, girls do FWBs with 1 or 2 point more attractive guys than they are. that can happen, but I need to get lucky and I don't like if I'm depended on a luck, I like to play in a system. At the 8-10 level it doesn’t really matter that much. The 1-2 point difference matters most for sub-7s. 8+ it’s about ga…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 11:19 PM
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It's not unnecessary work, once you practice little bit, it's easy to pull it off. fuckbuddies are option, but they are less attractive. It is unnecessary. You’re doing twice the work when you don’t have to. You get the same exact results with a fuckbuddy without having to do all that extra stuff. did I stutter? You can’t stutter over text. You did lie though. As you are a sociopath. What does "don't kiss and tell" mean? I think I'm around 8 yes. Ok so you’ll have no problem getting 8s as fuckbu…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 11:03 PM
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Usually plates brake after few months, after that you can "remind" her yourself, there is ways to do that to keep fucking her more for a bit, but yes, if you still won't commit she will figure it out that if you are no good, but at that point you got months of sex... Dumb girls might not figure out and still stick around for years, they are my favorite. Or you can just get a fuckbuddy and avoid all this unnecessary work. I'm completely neurotypical. *neurodivergent, you’re a sociopath after all.…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 10:42 PM
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Why would I throw pussy away if she isn't leaving yet? If she want's to she can, but I'm not gonna tell a bitch to gtfo lol You don’t have to tell her to gtfo. She’ll leave because you’re not on the same page about your desires. and I'm not a socipath. You are. Best way to make girl stick around for a bit is to get her emotionally invested/attached, if you want to do this you should do whatever I said and more. And for majority of men, getting consistent sex is through relationships, it's just a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 10:28 PM
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I don't have a problem and I don't care if plate breaks, I can replace, but why would I throw away pussy? I don't get it... Isn't it smart that I just lie about my intentions? You can’t throw away something that left. No, because you seem to have a problem with sociopathy. Maybe it was projection all along? Why are you so concerned about me? I will do whatever I want and whatever I do is working for me, so what's the problem? If you don't like my strategy and think that it's inefficient, than ok…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 10:15 PM
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true and they aren't happy about it either lo They’re happy if they get what they want behaviorally and financially. What's happening right now is 20-30% of men are having sex with all the women that enter into the casual scene. There are way more women than there are men in this market because all the regular dudes aren't even considered. Adding more women just means more of the same thing. There’s definitely more men than women on the scene right now and app data reflects this. 20-30% of men a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 09:53 PM
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Well that’s just life. If a woman wants a relationship where the man treats her really well she also has to go down in looks. For men they have to make that bargain when it comes to casual sex. If casual sex culture as a whole was more fun for women, more would do it consequently increasing the competition for women and decreasing it for men. So a man would be more likely to be able to fuck his looksmatch.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 09:34 PM
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It’s central to the equation. Thinking about it more, in causal sex culture not all women hook up with top 20% guys. They hook up with men hotter than themselves for sure but they’re not all fucking 8-10s. All the average looking guys I know who get a decent amount of causal sex get it because they’re basically “himbos”. They’re not hot but they don’t kiss and tell and they’re good enough at sex to have repeat customers. They don’t slut shame the girls they have sex with or air them out so they …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 09:24 PM
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It is about slut shaming too if average men were worth the squeeze they’d get sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 09:15 PM
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I know I was laughing at that. “You’re a sociopath for not validating my opportunistic behavior waaah waaah”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 09:14 PM
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I have yet to see verified, fuckable escorts who cost less than 500$. you haven't proved shit. Cause you don’t click the links. Not my problem you didn’t look at them. Even that guy is rare one, it's almost impossible to have 20 women in rotation, if you want to pump up your numbers you should be getting more leads and closing more, not getting more fwbs. That’s not rare if you’re a hot man with game. Well, I might "commit" or I might not, either way, I'm not throwing pussy out lmao You can’t th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 09:13 PM
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They’re not all banging top 20% guys. Those men get inundated with so much attention so they’re just as if not pickier than the average woman. Plenty of women are out here having casual sex with average men and it’s average men they’re complaining about. Also the man being more attractive than her doesn’t mean he’s top 20%. If she wants validation she can go on Instagram.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 09:08 PM
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Yet, you failed to prove it. All you linked were some unfuckable, meth-addicted whores... I proved it twice. Yet you don’t look at any links that don’t confirm what you want to believe. they keep their options open but they don't need more than one fuckbuddy, if they have FWB, they don't need another option for FWB, they need another option for boyfriend... Why would they have potential boyfriends in their line up when they just want sex? Not all women want a boyfriend and even if they do they h…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 06:43 PM
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You have low standards... Nope. I took your criticism of their looks into account and still came to the conclusion that there’s fuckable ones for cheap. Maybe, but most of the times it will be a scam, it's dangerous out here, lot of guys are getting robbed. You risk this just walking home at night. Not really a true deterrent. I can’t say if most times it is or isn’t a scam. lmao, how many male friends do you have? how many are attractive? you don't know what you are talking about, you aren't ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 05:45 PM
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I don't. I have done my research. Under 500 are ugly, unfuckeable hoes, 500 are average and 1000$ are attractive women... Yet I found fuckable ones for way less. 500$ is average, you can go and ask prostitutes, they will tell you that if attractive chick tells you that her price is under 500, it's a scam. Or that’s she new and lowballing herself to build up clientele. inconsistent for men, but women can get dick whenever they want, so they rather pick one hot guy who is good at sex... That one h…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 04:27 PM
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200$ for ugly bitch lol I'm not sticking my dick into that... Attractive chicks cost up to 1000$, why can't you understand this? Because they don’t you keep making up random numbers but from doing my own research I’ve seen that what you’re saying is not the case at all. originally I gave you 150-200 Euros, 200$ is 165 Euro which is in that range. Then you said $500 for the US and now $1000 They usually have one steady FWB... Maybe minority of girls have many fuckbuddies, but not majority. Girls …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 03:39 PM
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Even the ugliest one had 200$ per hour and I'm not paying 200 for that... No there were ones on there way cheaper than that and $200 is still cheaper than the figure you gave. They usually go on dates with other guys but they have 1 fuckbuddy, women don't need multiple FWBs lmao... They go on dates, have booty calls and a couple fuckbuddies. fucking while dating is different than FWB. Not really. Fuckbuddy is just long term but you can turn any hookup into a longer term sex arrangement if you do…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 02:57 PM
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I checked and most of them were ugly. one chick who isn't ugly wrote : NEED $60 DEPOSIT FOR OUTCALLS that doesn't mean that she costs 60$ lmao, wtf... and not everybody lives in LA, what about NYC? Seattle? Boston? No they weren’t and the website is for prostitutes that charge $80 an hour. You can google those and find escorts with cheap rates. The first one I posted was NYC. You can google Seattle and Boston and find cheap rates in those cities too. Okay, by your logic if I have 2-3 fwbs, than …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 02:03 PM
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No you’re fine, thanks I’ll fix it!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 12:28 PM
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Most men don’t but chads do. That’s who that comment was about. If she’s just trying to have sex she doesn’t care how he views her just like how she doesn’t care how she views him. They’re just trying to get off
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 05:49 AM
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If less women feel ashamed of doing, and more men who participate out effort into making their hookups cum more women would participate, there’d be more competition for women to get the top men. So many of them would inevitably have to lower their standards so men out of the top 20% would have a greater chance of getting a fuckbuddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 05:48 AM
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Not had the child sure but more valuable men don’t want them. So their alternative is to have flings and be childless. In modern times when serious relationships and marriage are falling out of favor I highly doubt it. The poor man might be willing to pay child support but he might not if he really doesn’t like his baby mama.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 01:54 AM
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Think whatever you want. All I’m doing is clarifying that she wasn’t arguing about children in poor families. She’s talking specifically about single mothers. Some of them probably are better off single though. If she makes 30k a year and her baby daddy makes 0 she has to support him, the kid and herself where as if it was just her and the kid it would be cheaper and she could afford to give them more.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 01:44 AM
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Check the LA one too Why would you want her to be emotionally attached to you when you’re just there to nut? If you have more than one FWB the inconsistency is irrelevant. Ps. Sex toys do suck dick. Just throw some lube in it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 10:52 PM
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Of course nothing is a guarantee. What you said is all good and well but if a couple months into the kid being here he changes his mind about being a father there’s nothing you can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 10:50 PM
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That’s still no guarantee and man can genuinely think he wants to be a father and tell you so. A lot of men think they want to be fathers until it actually happens then they realize reality is not like their fantasy and they dip.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 10:28 PM
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Also There are working class men with full time jobs. Doesn’t mean they want to be fathers. If they didn’t it doesn’t mean that they’ll stick around when it happens and they see the hard work it entails.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 10:27 PM
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A lot of men in these situations sustain themselves by living off women. Which is all fine and dandy when there’s no kids but when there are you have to financially and emotionally prioritize the child so that leaves men in these situations high and dry
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 10:25 PM
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No she’s arguing about single moms. Women who can’t get husbands or boyfriends because the men in their dating pools literally can’t afford to be fathers. Since the woman got pregnant didn’t terminate now she has a kid to raise by herself
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 10:22 PM
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Ironic that you’re calling me a liar. I guess we’ll see each other in hell then.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 10:21 PM
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They have whites ones on there that are also fuckable and cheap. Look through it yourself if non-whites aren’t you type. She’s half the price of the figure you gave for the US average. Yes I really do believe it’s better to go those prostitutes than to lead on a bunch of girls and if you’re attractive enough to do that why not just straight up say you only want a fuckbuddy what’s the point of lying about your feelings at that point? A girlfriend =\= consistent sex
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 10:20 PM
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Yes Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 09:49 PM
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these girls are she is It does. Another expensive city la has cheap prostitutes too la escorts
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 09:48 PM
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Looking at these sites and their photos they look pretty fuckable and they’re not expensive at all. They cheaper ones are affordable on even a minimum wage salary. Sex toys do suck dick. They sell ones that do. Just google it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 09:34 PM
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One of the most expensive cities in the US and they have women for $60 an hour. https://nycescortmodels.com/model/cheap-escorts It does. Read the description and reviews
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 09:32 PM
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I’m speaking of the US too. You can also go to jail for doing drugs, driving drunk and all manner of things people here do recreationally yet it doesn’t stop people. If you’re discrete and careful not to get caught you’ll be fine. Especially if you live in a city/town where they have bigger fish to fry
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 09:29 PM
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It does happen lol. It does suck dick I’ve checked too
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 09:05 PM
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The average is what you get after totaling everything up. So some cost way more than $500 and others cost way less. Sex toys do suck dick. I found some and reading the reviews even off site they work as advertised. Here’s another one: https://www.edenfantasys.com/masturbators/hands-free-masturbators/evolution-xl?tag=8211f617-8eb8-85b0-f946-65e45b6489af&pnid=81008722 Why would you only use a prostitute or sex toy two times a year?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 09:04 PM
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I did lol and it’s a gradient from tens of euros to thousands. There seems to be good ones in all price points the lower priced ones are newer though and probably why they cost so little they have built up a clientele yet. It does suck dick. Anyway you can check that site. They have a variety of bj toys.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 08:55 PM
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Not everywhere. Also legality never stopped people from doing recreational things before. Like underage drinking or smoking weed. Just be discreet.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 08:53 PM
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I’m sure I could. I’ve done it before when I’ve been fold the average price is some way overblown amount. You’re not losing money. You get exactly what you pay for. A sex toy can, they have sex toys that simulate blow jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 08:52 PM
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https://www.edenfantasys.com/masturbators/masturbation-sleeves/orgy-machine?tag=8211f617-8eb8-85b0-f946-65e45b6489af&pnid=81008722 Here’s an example of one. Yeah that’s what you said but I can’t fact check for myself since idk where you live. I’m going to take your word with a grain of salt because I’ve come across a lot of men who overblow the expense of escorts.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 08:48 PM
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A sex toy can suck your dick. They have ones specifically made for that. Escorts don’t cost that much money.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 08:41 PM
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Idk where you live so I can’t give an accurate answer to the price point but I’m sure I could find good for cheaper in your area with just a bit of research. It’s not a net negative you pay and get straight to business without having to spend time hanging out with them or listening to them at all. Then they leave right after you’re done. With a sex toy used in conjunction with porn you don’t have to spend any money at all beyond the initial purchase price and you can use it as frequently as you …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 08:40 PM
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Yeah, I do my research because I tried to logically understand the mindset of men who don’t like women or relationships much but think that’s the best solution to them struggling with causal sex. If you use a sex toy or an escort you don’t have to next cheat or ghost and you also won’t feel bad about yourself. You won’t “miss” them either.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 08:36 PM
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1&2. Sure you don’t. Just like how you “didn’t spend any money in a relationship” yet later admitted you do buy gifts. Not really depends where you go You don’t have to listen to a prostitute or sex toy
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 08:32 PM
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It is work if you only want sex. You can get sex without the extra stuff is all I’m saying. What do you mean you can’t get attached? Like you have an avoidant style? Even more reason to just stay single and get sex with no strings.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 08:29 PM
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They also don’t expect you to go on dates with them to places you don’t want to go, tell you emotional stuff you don’t care about, they don’t argue with you or expect you to cook food for them and buy them gifts on special occasions. If you just want sex there’s other ways to get it without having to deal with the work of a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 08:28 PM
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That’s for you. . . Keep going.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 08:24 PM
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It’s a lot of work for someone that just wants sex. What you described is not a relationship. Fuckbuddies also often agree to not fuck other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 08:23 PM
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Dance monkey dance 🕺
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 08:23 PM
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As I said you can also use sex toys and not spend money on either. A fuckable prostitute doesn’t cost that much and 5 times what? A week? A year? You can get more than that from a prostitute and even more from a sex toy without all the work of a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 08:22 PM
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She did. You’re just mad because it wasn’t the answer you wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 08:20 PM
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Why not? You’re getting sex without the work of a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 08:18 PM
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I actually do believe you think it’s bullshit because it didn’t sooth your confirmation bias. However she told you the truth and directly answered you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 08:16 PM
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You do. They complain about going on dates even if their girlfriend pays her half. Having to buy gifts on holidays etc
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 08:15 PM
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She did~
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 08:14 PM
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She did 🤗
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 08:13 PM
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Ok agree to disagree. She did(:
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 08:12 PM
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Why would you go through all the tedious work of maintaining a relationship you don’t have to just to get sex when you can get the same thing without all the extra work?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 08:09 PM
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She did and if you read carefully you’ll see that. She legit said his communication and compatibility is what makes her sexually attracted to him. Which is why I said you’ve got the order reversed. You’re just choosing to ignore that because it’s not the answer you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 08:08 PM
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You and most men do. There’s complaints about it all the time. And by adding suction and lube to it. They also have sex toys that simulate blow jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 08:05 PM
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All the link you showed were not mainstream at all. Some of these YouTube channels don’t even top 100k subscribes, and the views aren’t that high either. The views are extremely high. Hundreds of thousands of views for a YouTube video is very good. Most of the population isn’t hanging on the words of the YouTube creators, except maybe the first one. They’re not hanging on their words but the fact that they got so much positive attention shows that it’s not a minority or 1-2 means comments like y…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 08:05 PM
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none of these have much impact on an individual man's success. it's other factors I’m not talking about the individual man I’m taking collectively. Slut shaming results in not enough women participating in casual sex frequently or consistently enough to satisfy the men who want fuck buddies and one night stands. The women who do it occasionally will only do it for men they feel is worth the risk. The women who do it consistently and long term because they’re a small group compared to men get inu…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 07:57 PM
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She did answer. The reason her relationship is better is also what caused her sexual attraction. You’ve got the order mixed up. She answered you multiple times you just didn’t like what she had to say
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 07:50 PM
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She did answer them though. You just didn’t like the answer and then deemed that it was not an answer because it wasn’t what you wanted to hear.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 07:48 PM
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No it’s better to get a prostitute you have to spend money with a girlfriend too. Even if you don’t spend on her directly you’re still spending money. So if you don’t want all the extra stuff that comes with a relationship prostitutes are where it’s at. You can also just get a sex doll or a flesh light and use them in conjunction with porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 07:47 PM
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It’s not just religious groups. Religious people are just the most extreme. Not all go the videos I linked are made or supported by Christians.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 07:46 PM
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Not really. Decades ago you’d have to marry most women to get into their pants. Only the most attractive men could get sex from a woman who was just his girlfriend. As slut shaming subsided marriage before sex is no longer a hard preference of most women and the most attractive men can get sex with no commitment at all. Do you see how reduction of slut shaming can benefit men sexually as well? You get more of what you want when women don’t feel horrible for giving it to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 07:44 PM
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I read everything. She did say all this you were just ignoring everything that wasn’t the answer you wanted to hear. Which she picked up on. Here you go: I am now in a relationship with someone to whom I am highly attracted (not just physically, he's not a model, but we are compatible and that is inherently attractive) and I finally understand what is possible. This is the first comment she made about her new guy. She said from the beginning that the comparability is what made him attractive not…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 07:41 PM
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So?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 07:36 PM
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She did. She’s attracted to him and has a better relationship with him because of his personality which makes him a better communicator, more compatible, more enjoyable to be around. It’s not just the sexual attraction that makes this relationship better. It’s who the man is as a person. You’re free to believe whatever you want but you’re invested in the idea that sexual attraction is what made the relationship better and you ignored and wrote off everything else she said.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 07:35 PM
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Really? Show me something in the mainstream that proves that the majority of the population cheers on the shaming of women for being promiscuous? I didn’t say the majority of the population. The majority of women don’t feel this way about themselves or other women. What I said was that it’s not a minority of men and according to the men doing it most men feel that way. Just if you mean msm as in tv can’t help you. Here’s some stuff from YouTube though: https://youtu.be/ivXU2fo3CYo https://youtu.…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 07:31 PM
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It’s not disingenuous someone broke down the numbers here’s the comment. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/ltrlyl/only_the_wealthy_and_affluent_can_actually_afford/gp1j33m/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3 $328 extra a month seems on target with what you and your husband paid after upgrading. Sure less than 10% of Americans are uninsured but you still have to take into account how much their insurance covers and if they have a kid most likely they wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 07:02 PM
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She did answer them directly lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 06:53 PM
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I don’t really think that’s accurate. Let’s be honest, the men who are outwardly slut shaming women are a small minority of men. It’s not a small minority and they espouse the view that most men are bothered by women’s by women having high N. So as a result women aren’t having casual sex to the degree necessary to satisfy the desires of men looking for fuck-buddies. It’s definitely not as much of an issue as it was maybe 10 or so years ago, as many women are now on tinder looking for dick. It’s …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 06:50 PM
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It’s not “lol” if you’re average height and average looking naturally you can bump yourself up by working out, doing more skin care,hair care, and minor cosmetic treatments then a good wardrobe to pull it all together.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 06:43 PM
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You pay more for housing if you have a kid. Without a kid a one bedroom place or a studio is fine but with kids you need to upgrade to at least one extra room unless you plan on having everyone sleep in the same room. Medical costs get covered by insurance if you have it and you have higher premiums if you have dependents.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 06:37 PM
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I think he meant paying out the ass for childcare as opposed to having family there to help if you hadn’t went far away for college and a career.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 06:35 PM
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Exactly lol. You’re not dating them and the only way they’ll know anyway is if you tell them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 06:29 PM
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It does change everything. You don’t have to “look for one” they’re readily available if you go to the right site or locations. As long as you know what those are you don’t have to do much searching. Why does women being disgusted by it matter? They can’t be disgusted by something they don’t know about and it’s not like these are honest truthful men we’re talking about. They’re already lying about one thing, it won’t be hard for them to hide and lie about another. Why does it matter that the pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 06:10 PM
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They can get a fuck buddy if they work harder and make the casual sex market more appealing. Right now they’re shooting themselves in both feet. If you slut-shame and make women feel like they’re dirty and used up for having casual sex, you only care about your pleasure etc. then less women are going to be inclined to participate in the casual sex market long term or at all and if they do they will have high standards because they’ll only want to have sex with men they view as “worth the risk”. …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 06:06 PM
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They do have options they can get a prostitute or become more attractive or move somewhere where men have more power in the casual sex scene.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 05:59 PM
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Honestly I’d say it’s both but I’m not sure what would be a good solution. Doing things this way leads to a lot of victims not getting justice and a lot of people being put away for things they didn’t do.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 03:17 PM
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Some of them are some of them aren’t. The term gold digger is kind of overused like the word simp. But there are gold diggers that pour back into the rich men they date and that’s how they end up being wives who are in happy marriages vs a hookup or trophy wife who’s miserable but still sticking around for the money or for him to violate the pre-nup. They genuinely want love and a family but they know falling in love with a rich man will produce a better quality of life for them and their childr…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 03:16 PM
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You do need more. He could’ve actually been raped but the jury doesn’t believe him because the accused is more sympathetic or credible. Then the accuser who was raped doesn’t get justice.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 03:07 PM
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I guess it just depends then. There’s also the type that doesn’t spend on themselves or their family. Even with a family they still won’t turn the heat on, they still will expect everyone to wear clothes and shoes until they’ve run beyond their course like they do. They’ll be just as cheap with their families as they are with themselves. It’s not chump behavior to spend on people you love as long as they’re pouring back into you as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 03:05 PM
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I’m not a lawyer but I’ve been in courtrooms and witnessed people not getting the justice they deserved. I’ve also witnessed more than enough crime for a lifetime and been heartbroken for victims who didn’t want to file a proper report because they thought the police wouldn’t believe them or that their case would get thrown out in court. My apologies on the DV point. I was thinking in terms of someone who was visibly injured. In a case where there’s no injuries it would be similar to rape. There…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 02:57 PM
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Yeah but there’s levels to being cheap. Mr rich but stingy won’t even spend on himself for things he needs. They’re the type of men who won’t even buy themselves a new pair of shoes despite the one pair they have literally falling apart. They won’t spend to turn the heat on in their house despite being clearly uncomfortable and even getting sick because of the cold. If a man won’t even spend on his own health and comfort he’s for sure not going to spend on yours. That’s why mr. Humble but wealth…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 02:31 PM
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The difference between rape/sexual assault and the other types of crime you mentioned though is that in those other instances you’re going into court with the understanding that a crime did happen. It’s just a matter of figuring out whether or not the accused was the one that did it. With DV the victim was beaten, now it’s a matter of proving whether or not the accused did it. With burglary the victim was robbed now it’s a matter of proving whether or not the accused was the one who did it. With…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 02:24 PM
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When people use these shaming tactics they don’t care what the abuser did. They accept that those people are and always will be around so they put more responsibility on the people who let opportunists into their life. Which is why you see men getting fleck for being used by gold diggers and women getting flack but being used by f-boys. An F-boy will fuck around and a gold digger will gold dig so it’s up to you to not let those people into your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 02:13 PM
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You’re conflating two different points. We’re talking about gold diggers here. If you’re talking women in general then what they’re going to be looking for is physical attractiveness, chemistry and self sufficiency. So is he hot? Is there chemistry and can he take care of himself. The self sufficiency thing can even go out the window if the man is sufficiently hot and seductive and the woman makes enough to take care about both of them. For gold diggers they want guys with pricey stuff because t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 02:11 PM
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Neither type is truly rare. It’s just very hard to prove and consequently victims don’t come forward. Whether you were raped by a stranger or someone you know doesn’t change the fact that a rape kit doesn’t show whether or not it was consensual. It just shows that sex happened. How are the prosecutors and jurors to know that you didn’t just meet a random person and decide to sleep with them? If there’s no confession, witnesses or video/photo evidence it’s just word against word abc circumstantia…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 02:04 PM
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What’s amazing about it? “Pricey stuff” as in he can afford good quality but modest looking luxury clothing items, shoes, vehicles etc. So he’s not stingy and buying cheaper low quality stuff, but he’s also not spending on flashy expensive items to show off. Flashy guys don’t have extra money and pretend broke guys have it but won’t spend it. Mr expensive but modest buys what he needs, he buys quality and is willing to spend to get it. These are the type of men that gold diggers actually target.…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 02:03 PM
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Rape is not a rare crime. It’s underreported and hard to prove especially if it’s a “gray area” where the two people knew each other. If there’s no witnesses, video evidence, or confession it’s all either circumstantial or the alleged victims word against the alleged rapist. So there’s a lot of people who have been raped who don’t come forward because no one will believe them anyway. So the crime stays between them and their therapist if they can afford one.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 01:53 PM
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They’ll think the guy driving the ten year old Toyota is poor at worst or stingy at best so either way she’s not seeing any of that money. They’re going to go for a guy with simple not flashy but still pricy stuff. It shows he’s not spending recklessly but he’s also willing to invest in things he finds quality
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 01:43 PM
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Fat and ugly women don’t go for wealthy men unless they’re wealthy themselves but even then it’s not super often. They’re more likely to date poor men than pretty women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 01:40 PM
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It’s not a clever shame tactic. They’re just doing to men what men do to women. If a woman gets used by a guy “clearly she picked wrong”. If a man gets used by a woman “clearly he picked wrong”. It’s pretty consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 01:39 PM
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Fair point but that’s the world we live in. A lot of people were not raised to respect the boundaries others enforce on their bodies. They go into the world thinking certain things are ok when it’s not. So if someone had the misfortune of not being raised properly but they’re not an inherently bad person teaching consent can help them. It does the job their parents should’ve for the good of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/21 12:42 AM
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I’m not following? If someone says yes to sex they say yes to sex sober or drunk. If they don’t say anything, can’t say anything or say no. They did not consent and this also applies sober or drunk. I’m not understanding your point? Drunk sex isn’t the same as sexually assaulting a drunk person, or sexually assaulting someone when you’re drunk.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 07:36 PM
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I’m not sure what you’re trying to say or ask? If you didn’t give consent. . . Then you didn’t give consent. That’d be true whether or not you were sober. The absence of a yes doesn’t change implications just because of your alcohol level. If you’re drunk to the point where you’re unconscious then you can’t give consent because you’re not awake.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 07:07 PM
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Just because you accepted that doesn’t mean that’s the way other people need to live their lives. That’s like people who say their parents beat the dog shit out of them when they were kids so they don’t understand why it’s considered child abuse in modern times. The world progresses. Alcohol is not an excuse for losing complete self control and assaulting people. If you set that precedent you get into weird territory like in South Korea where that can be used as a legitimate legal defense agains…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 06:58 PM
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They do. Self-defense, teaching consent, carrying weapons, date rape drug detectors etc are all a part of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 06:50 PM
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No it doesn’t. You can be sexy while asking for consent. Having freedom absolutely does come with dangers. This doesn’t mean you have to go through like unguarded and just accepting it when people try to victimize you. You can fortify yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 06:44 PM
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Teaching about consent is not puritanical.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 06:26 PM
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That’s not tradcon leaning either. If all he’s doing is paying for dates he’s just slightly financially generous lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 06:23 PM
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That’s not tradcon then lol. Tradcon people adhere to the gender roles fully.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 05:43 PM
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If he’s paying all the bills that’s honestly not even a problem. Women only get mad at that if they’re both working full-time.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 05:29 PM
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It carrying through other areas of life isn’t a bad thing either. Unless you mean like political views?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 05:26 PM
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My thought experiment displayed how reductionist it is and how weak your logic is. Stress isn’t necessarily and indication that something is wrong. It can simply be an inevitable part of the parenting adjustment process. So when parents complain that they’re stressed, especially when they have children under the age of 4 the complaints are very valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 03:50 PM
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There’s nothing to be irritated by hon. I’m simply making the point that looking at stress or the lack thereof as indicative of the quality of someone’s parenting is reductionist. I showed this by following your logic to an opposite conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 03:31 PM
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Exactly my point. If you’re actually spending time raising your kid you’ll be stressed out if you don’t have outside help. You’re going to be spending a lot of time and losing a lot of sleep getting them used to a routine and disciplining them. It’s worse if you have a temperamental baby or toddler.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 01:55 PM
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That is flipping the switch it’s using the same logic to come to a flipped conclusion. I showed that your point made absolutely no sense. Carry on~
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 01:52 PM
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I didn’t bring up disturbed sleep cycle as an example of stress. I brought it up as an example of something that can lead to stress. Subtle but very significant semantic difference. Lack of sleep caused fatigue and irritability. Things that normally don’t bother you will because you’re sleep deprived and then you end up getting frustrated and stressed out as a result. I don’t really care about your opinion. All I’m saying is that you can flip your logic and come to an opposite conclusion. If you…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 02:42 AM
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I didn’t take offense to anything. I simply pointed out how your logic works in reverse. You said that if you’re stressed you’re probably doing it wrong. There are some people who dont get that stressed with regards to child rearing. And honestly, on a species-level, having kids is just life. And if life stresses you to the point of not enjoying life, you're probably doing it wrong, or poor boundary control. So since the precedent is taking reductionist views of situations the same view can be f…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 02:29 AM
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It’s easy in the moment too if you take a moment to breathe and think. You’re not with that person 24/7 if you take the time away to self reflect and recollect yourself you can still vet despite being super attracted to them. You just have to be very self-aware and then take the next step which is having self control.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 02:20 AM
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It’s easy to vet despite attraction if you have self control. When you feel yourself being Jed astray by just kick yourself in the pants and remember that if you’re not careful you could be going along with someone who will completely destroy you. Then it’s easy to take a step back and really observe their character.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 02:06 AM
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Just following your precedent. You make the claim that people who get stressed over parenting are doing it wrong. The same logic works in reverse. I don’t have any kids. I just observe how other people parent and there’s certain patterns I’ve noticed. Negligent parents are never stressed because they don’t parent. They just guard the kids and make sure they eat and don’t accidentally kill themselves. Parents with good hands on support systems also aren’t stressed because they have help. Parents …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 02:03 AM
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Where are they? Most women want men like that who they’re attracted to but you can’t have it all.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 01:54 AM
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It’s stress and fatigue. A temperamental baby can destroy your sleep cycle because they’re needy and crying all them time. Not too many parents are in favor of letting babies cry it out anymore because there’s some evidence to suggest it might be bad for their emotional development to do that. So the mom will wake up and go running everytime. When she has a moment of free time she’ll use it finish whatever she has to do for the day. Or to sleep. Sex will pick back up once she has the baby on a r…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 01:48 AM
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You’re probably a negligent parent. Kids aren’t stressful if you just feed them and bathe them and go about your business beyond that. If you’re a hands on parent though it can be stressful especially if you have more than one because you’re constantly attending to their needs and playing baby charades when they can’t talk or can’t communicate effectively. Then if they have conflicts with each other it can be stressful as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 01:45 AM
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Sure you can view it that way. I’m explaining why there labeled differently. To piggy back of your example, it’s why sugar babies aren’t called escorts by the men that solicit them. It’s to indicate the difference in expectations, wants and services.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/21 04:35 PM
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I have to take this with a grain of salt. I do believe there’s a lot of men who are romantics and modern causal sex culture is awkward and slightly unfulfilling for them. I don’t believe these are the majority of men. Most men who participate seem to love it because they can have sex without complicating it with feelings and men who aren’t attractive enough to pull it off envy it and have fomo even if they have a girlfriend. Men do separate love from sex. Sometimes they choose not to but they de…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/21 04:33 PM
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Hate fucking is not just a porn trope. Irl it plays out as something one sided where a guy will sleep with a girl he finds annoying/unbearable but still very physically attractive. Men don’t need a personal level to find a women physically attractive. It’s primarily visual. Her personality has little to no bearing on whether or not she’s sex worthy in his eyes. It just impacts whether or not he can see himself hanging with her outside of sex. If she’s unbearable but hot he’ll still try and sleep…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/21 12:41 PM
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That’s you. There’s lots of other people who like to just do the deed and go their separate ways. My only point is that sex and love & affection are not inherently linked and casual sex culture proves this. Of course there may be some people who are more romantic than others who enjoy sex that has love and affection. However this doesn’t mean there’s an inherent link. Sex is sex and it means whatever meaning you place on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/21 12:38 PM
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Hate fucking is a real thing so I’m sorry but I’m really not buying that most men need affection or any sort of fondness to have sex. If they find the woman attractive and she’s willing that’s all they need.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/21 12:35 PM
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I’m not thinking about Disney love. I’m just stating here listening to you and what you’ve described sounds like lust to me not love. You enjoy fucking someone and consider that love.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/21 12:31 PM
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I also know a lot of men and they can have sex with women who mean literally nothing to them and they’ve explained to me that most if not all men have the same capability. Men are capable of separating sex from love and many do. There’s countless men who just use women as human masturbatory aids. They’re very open about it. They don’t love most of the people they sleep with. Are they not men too? Men don’t need love and affection to have sex. They don’t even have to like the person. They just ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/21 12:31 PM
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yeah... but usualy relationships have a lot of trade-offs... so it isnt the best place for many people. Yeah which is why a lot of people have causal sex and they keep their feelings in check so they don’t desire for more than just sex. If you’re horny and craving that you can emotionally disconnect and sleep with someone you’re attracted to. and im in love/affection with everyone i have sex with .. what would be the point of sex without any of this... i think people have very diverse definition…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/21 12:28 PM
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99% of men can and will do that. Whether or not he can depends on how attractive he is. Plenty of men have sex with women they don’t even like much less love. Sex and affectionate are not connected for men. Please stop lying. Sex is sex. It’s not love. Some men can choose to show love through sex, but these men can also have sex that means nothing. There is no inherent connection. If that was the case one night stands wouldn’t be a thing. What you described doesn’t really sound like love to me b…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/21 12:26 PM
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whats the point of sex without affection? This is a question better answered by people who engage in this type of sex but it’s quick, easy and scratches and itch. If you’re horny you can get off without complicating things with sappy emotions. i dont need a "serious relationship" or a marriage to feel love and affection. These are the best places to get it. Most people aren’t in love and affectionate with their flings. If/when it gets to that level they either progress the relationship or go the…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/21 12:23 PM
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Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/21 12:21 PM
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Not really. Sometimes she’s just a friend being affectionate or a girl just as inexperienced as them wanting to take it slow. The love and affection in isolation isn’t what they want. They want sex too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/21 12:20 PM
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You started changing the story first by saying if a guy is drunk too it’s not his fault if he gets horny and tries something. I never denied that it happens both ways. It’s definitely not rare I’ve seen it happen way too many times most people just don’t report it. If they remember enough of what happened to them they just cope with it themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/21 11:48 AM
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If that was the case. No girl getting drunk around her friends would ever have gotten raped or sexually assaulted. Most men don’t rape or sexually assault people when they’re drunk. Even if they get horny. I’ve been around a lot of drunk horny people as the caretaker/DD. I’ve only known one guy to try something and he was sus when he was sober so I’m pretty sure alcohol just allowed him to do what he always wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 10:06 PM
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“and NOT friends" I’m not sure why you put this again? I got it the first time and my response was that regardless of what the woman is friend or not her being affectionate and loving will make him crave for sex because affection on its own isn’t what they want. Then they're probably not compatible. Guys would take note and move on. Or it’s a new experience? This is usually how things go when inexperienced men are dating inexperienced women. For the most part the girls/woman doesn’t want to rush…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 08:27 PM
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Yes they are. Especially if they’re young and around people they trust.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 07:06 PM
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That's because they usually are. Outside of a relationship, if a woman is giving you "affection with no sex" but you're dating and not "friends," then something is amiss. Not just with dating, if a female friend is loving and affectionate in a non sexual manner it makes then crave for more. Also with dating something doesn’t have to be amiss. The girl could just want to take things slow while the guy wants sex right away. Men communicate love and affection through sex, so unlike women, we don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 07:05 PM
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Some do some don’t. It depends on what that person wants. Some people aren’t cut out for being affectionate and romantic. So they just look for sex and nothing more.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 03:44 PM
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People who want to live the perpetual bachelor or bachelorette lifestyle with casual sex only. A lot of people just want sex with none of the extra emotional stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 03:40 PM
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Idk about your premise. Gen Z seem to be the ones really giving steam to the cancel porn movement. I don’t really see anyone over 25 supporting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 03:39 PM
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Yeah but then when they get affection with no sex they say it feels empty and like they’re being led on. Their problem is that they want both but they don’t just say they want both. They say they want sex and then flip it and say they actually want affection. The truth is they want love and affection and they want sex that reflects that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 03:37 PM
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No by being super pushy. Or making already tipsy people drink even more. They think you’re friends just having good fun so they’ll drink because usually that’s the case but some people take advantage of this trust to do other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 03:05 PM
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That’s a fair point. My main point was just that they’re called different things because different things are being paid for.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 07:17 AM
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They’re both equally cringe. Paying for love is just as bad as paying for sex. The reason they differentiate though is because the behavior is different. My parents are from a country where sex tourism is kind of a big thing and a lot of the men that come, come for sex only but the women never come for just sex. They pay for an entire relationship experience and will sometimes start a life and have kids with the young men they’re bankrolling. They’re basically paying to get a husband or boyfrien…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 06:08 AM
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You should always take a no as a no. The only exception is if it’s part of a mutually agreed upon scene between you and your partner and you have an established safe word.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 08:30 PM
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Reading through these it doesn’t look like that 70-80% figure is for household financial decisions or that it’s referring to just married or cohabiting women. It’s in reference to all women whether they’re single, cohabitating or married and how they’re more likely than men to engage in consumer spending. That’s not the same thing as wives control 80% of the families income.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 08:09 PM
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I’m not sure what you mean? If you want a woman to pay the bills and make the big decisions you wouldn’t be the breadwinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 07:43 PM
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It’s not 80% from what I’ve seen? I don’t know if there’s an official study on it but survey data doesn’t reflect men or women thinking that women have 80% control over the finances. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.investmentnews.com/women-role-family-finances-rising-despite-men-report-193918/amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/03/18/women-are-more-likely-to-leave-money-decisions-to-their-spouses.html
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 07:32 PM
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Men out earning their wives doesn’t mean that they pay more in terms of bills. They still expect the wife to have her half financially whether she makes the same or less than he does.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 07:00 PM
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There are women out there footing half or all the bills when with a man. It’s not traditional women doing it. So while not all feminists or liberal women will do it, your odds of finding a woman to pay the bills and make big decisions is better in this group than outside of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 06:57 PM
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Ok and the same data your referencing said that women message men in the bottom 80% whereas most of men’s messages go to the top women. So they can’t fly, people just think they can.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 04:14 PM
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Thank you I’ll check it out!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 03:25 PM
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That’s from 1987. . . Professional discourse in classes discusses consent in way more gender neutral terms and they discuss how anyone can be sexually violated. https://www.rainn.org/articles/what-is-consent https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/relationships/sexual-consent “Anyone can be a victim — no matter their gender, sexual orientation, or age. But certain groups of people are more likely than others to experience sexual assault in their lives. Women (especially women of color), LGBT ide…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 03:24 PM
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I’ll just edit my comment
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 03:12 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 03:11 PM
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They can’t because those men don’t have money to be beta buxxes, nor do they want to and it’s not feasible in the modern economy. The situation women are in is one where everyone thinks they can fly, some women pretend to be able to fly so everyone just assumes all women can fly and they’re just choosing not to. When in reality they simply can’t fly. That’s an illusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 07:43 AM
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Absolute power isn’t the only type of power. Any power that you can use is power. Women don’t have any type though. They just have the illusion of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 07:37 AM
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Feminist consent courses cover the whole 9 yards. It’s just that discourse outside of that frames men mainly as perpetrators and women as the victims partially because of statistical probability and partially because female victims are more likely to speak about their trauma. So that’s the narrative people see. Women speaking about what happened to them and that they were mainly victimized by men. This doesn’t change the fact that men can be victims and women can be perpetrators though and conse…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 07:37 AM
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Women need to learn about consent too. It can prevent them from becoming a predator or a victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 07:18 AM
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Yes and with man made tech. Men are more powerful than gorillas. True power is real power. Women don’t have power over 80% of men or 100% of men. They don’t have any power they just have the illusion of power and trp acknowledges this. If the “power” is being able to get your sexual imperatives met. How do women have power if it’s only high value men that can have theirs met while women and low value men can’t?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 07:16 AM
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That behavior is wrong because they continue on even though the girl or woman is barely conscious and they think it’s ok because she hasn’t completely passed out. This along with coercion is a gray area that’s gotten a lot of men slapped with sexual assault and rape charges and if we teach them that is wrong then it will prevent a lot of rapes. Rapes won’t cease to exist but they’ll drastically decrease if we teach consent, even the moral kind, to the gray area/straddler kind of men. Feminists d…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 07:10 AM
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Men have different powers than gorillas but it’s meaningless and nonexistent in the gorilla world. If you’re living in the jungle with no man made tech you’re at the bottom of the food chain and the gorillaS have the power. It’s not that women are choosing not to use it. Women don’t have a power. They have the illusion of power. High value men are the only ones with true power and the red pill acknowledges this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 07:01 AM
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If you were living in the jungle with them you would not have any power. My argument makes perfect sense. According to trp high value men are the ones with actual power. Women have the illusion of power but it’s fleeting and disappears after 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 06:53 AM
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Yeah. They have no power. High value men have the power.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 06:44 AM
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They do, because they say high value men have all the power.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 06:35 AM
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It’s not really a power at all. The only use it has is if you do only fans or some other means of selling sex or the illusion of selling sex. Yet even that is only lucrative and powerful because it’s just enough women doing it where the market isn’t over saturated.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 06:29 AM
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Teaching consent is good for men who are straddlers. Men who because of ignorance indulge in questionable behavior but they don’t have the same mentality as a premeditated rapist. Like dudes who think getting a girl drunk, cross faded or whatever is a good way to get laid. Who think being coercive is a good way to get laid etc. teaching them about consent helps these type of men see that their behavior is wrong. Pre-meditated rapists can’t be help by anyone really. Using where I grew up as an ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 06:27 AM
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Well the idea that’s pushed is that they have no power in comparison to high value men and low value men aren’t viable options.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 06:17 AM
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They say it all the time that high value men have all the power and women hit the wall after 25 or 30
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 06:14 AM
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Red pill men. They say men have the power because women offer nothing and they have a short shelf life of attractiveness to find a desireable mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 06:12 AM
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Only a small percentage of people get their perfect partner. Average people have to compromise and settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 06:10 AM
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Yet they simultaneously say that women have no power and they have a short shelf life.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 06:09 AM
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Maybe but idk. I enjoy masturbating, just not sex because it doesn’t do much for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 05:21 AM
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I guess so lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 05:19 AM
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There’s counter narratives to that argument though. The pro-life camp pushes the stories of rape victims that kept their babies. They also push the stories of the children born of rape who are grateful they weren’t aborted. It’s the same here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 04:56 AM
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I believe men should have the right to a “legal abortion” where they can terminate all parental rights and responsibilities in the same amount of time a woman is allowed to terminate a pregnancy. I’ve always been a supporter of this and I always will. It’s a violation of their reproductive rights to not allow them this choice. However I can not and will never support forcing someone to keep or terminate a pregnancy against their will. That’s incredibly inhumane to not allow someone to have contr…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/21 11:00 AM
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Yeah men compare themselves to other average men. Women compare themselves to the most beautiful women and strive to get as close to that as they possibly can.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/21 08:49 AM
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Sure, but when swiping on apps and looking at people passing by they have their clothes and stuff on. So women on apps and out in the world appear to be more attractive than men at initial judgment. Many also probably artificially as well because they get permanent and semi permanent enhancements at a much higher rate than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/21 08:29 AM
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I always say this. Especially considering how much more women invest in beauty and trying to improve their looks in some way. Even if initially we start off with the same number of men and women in each tier of attractiveness, we don’t end that way because of plastic surgery, makeup, diet culture etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/21 08:26 AM
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I completely agree!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/21 08:20 AM
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Yeah that’s fair. I have no qualms with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/21 02:44 AM
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You mean like legal abortions for men? I’ve been a supporter of that. I’m believe that men should get the same time frame that women do(whatever it is in your state) to opt out of fatherhood that women get to opt out of abortion. So no arguments there. However I will never support men having the right to dictate whether a woman carries to term. She should be able to make that choice and if she chooses to carry he should be allowed to opt out and that’s it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/21 02:41 AM
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Yes, mega brain fart moment. I don’t know why I typed Kentucky
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/21 01:47 AM
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Because it adds multiple perspectives and viewpoints. A bill like the one Tennessee is proposing plays on the emotions. “These wicked women are breaking men’s hearts by aborting their children”. If it’s known that neither parent wants the unborn child then the emotional appeal isn’t as effective.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/21 01:32 AM
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So then they should have no say in whether the woman carries to term or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/21 01:30 AM
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If all they do is make a small donation then they definitely don’t need veto power. Before you call me a hypocrite I believe men should be allowed to have legal abortions where they’re allowed a deliberation period to decide if they want to waive all legal and financial responsibility to the child or not. They should be allotted the same amount of time women are to decide in that specific state. Veto power is ridiculous though, we shouldn’t be violating people’s bodily autonomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/21 01:29 AM
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Yes. That’d be perfect for me. I don’t really get anything out of sex so I’d still be perfectly happy with it taken off the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/21 01:25 AM
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It’s the same no matter which group you’re talking about. People who agree with the tweet and people who disagree with the tweet argue in the replies and then it goes trending. Twitter only deletes and shadow bans if a slur was used like( f*gt or n*gr) sometimes for death threats too but otherwise they leave it be.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 07:43 PM
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I mean plenty of non-white men support it though because of blm, systematic treatment of non-white men, immigration issues and poor white men too if they’re in favor of socialism, universal healthcare etc. men who support leftism do it for their own reasons. It’s not just because they’re prioritizing women’s causes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 07:25 PM
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They don’t get shadowbanned and they do go trending.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 07:23 PM
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Men don’t like girls and women collectively. They like fucking them. There’s a difference and it’s not just creeps. They’re just one example. Men online complain about women 24/7 too. So women know how men feel and adjust. Just like how men do when they hear how women talk about them. Hot people being indulged despite their poor behavior isn’t reflective of the experiences of the average person.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 07:23 PM
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Being emotionally distant, flaky, unavailable etc. they act the same way with their female friends. They’ll emotionally dump on you but get very uncomfortable when you share your feelings, they rely on you but don’t reciprocate things like that. Then there’s another type, usually the kind that grew up in homes lacking affection and emotional intimacy. They won’t show you any deep emotion and they don’t know what to do when you show it to them. They won’t be very openly affectionate, they think s…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 07:15 PM
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No confident women who’ve done the work to fix their love maps willingly get with men who treat them like shit. Doesn’t take away from the fact that despite general consensus among both genders exceptions are often made for very attractive people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 07:03 PM
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?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 06:55 PM
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It benefits straight men too. Straight men who are poor and/or non-white also support leftism because leftists prioritize their plights as well. People also make threads making fun on women as a whole as well as minority groups of on Twitter and disparaging them so I’m not seeing how that proves the app is woman centric?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 06:50 PM
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Leftist ideologies also benefit certain types of men and they don’t benefit certain types of women. Twitter is not an female centric app. Leftist =/= woman centric.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 06:40 PM
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Women’s personal inconveniences are only taken seriously by other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 06:25 PM
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Lies. Women at best expect nothing from men they don’t know and at worst they expect them to be harassers or violent. They want men to be empathetic and kind but they don’t expect them to be that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 05:19 PM
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They don’t see it as a societal problem or a systematic issue is my point. They don’t talk about it as if they’ll die if they don’t get sex and like women are some evil overlords conspiring against men by not having sex with them. If they talk about it, they talk about it like personal inconvenience, not a dire problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 03:52 PM
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It’s the halo effect is my point. If you’re beautiful people will overlook qualities that are genuinely agreed to be “flaws”. So a man who is an insufferable asshole can still get sex and a woman who is an unashamed gold digger can have a string of wealthy men giving her money. They can get away with things average and ugly people can’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 12:53 PM
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I didn’t say plenty I said he had options. He had women who weren’t single mothers who he could and did date, but he also date single mothers too despite his views. Anyway even outside of him, it’s what I said earlier just like how men generally seem to agree gold diggers are bad but make exceptions women do the same thing. The genders aren’t monolithic either so there’s exceptions to everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 12:47 PM
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You literally just restated and proved my point. “They seem to understand it when the shoe is on the other foot. They get turned off by women who complain about men 24/7 and it demotivates them to do things for women, yet they can’t seem to comprehend why women don’t want to have sex with them when we’re talked about in a comparable manner.” I’m not getting how it’s not clicking lol? The cloth cuts both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 12:44 PM
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He definitely had options. He dated all kinds of women, I just personally found it funny that for someone who ragged on single mothers as much as he did he still included them in his dating pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 12:39 PM
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Did the specific women in the study sample say they hated assholes though? Doesn’t say anywhere in there that they did.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 12:35 PM
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Go to his YouTube. It might’ve been purged after adpocalypse but that was literally his brand and cash cow. Yet his dating choices didn’t line up.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 12:33 PM
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The women dating the assholes don’t say they hate the assholes though. At best they hate themselves for being attracted to those men but that’s not the same as hating the man. So give me a name please
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 12:30 PM
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Give me one example of a woman saying she hates assholes and still dating a man she considers an asshole. Tommy Sotomayor is one example
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 12:27 PM
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Just like plenty of women who date assholes never said they hate asshole men and plenty of women who say they do hate asshole men never dated them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 12:18 PM
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It sounds like you are/were attracted to emotionally unavailable women. There’s plenty of women happily doing emotional labor for their boyfriends and husbands because they feel their effort and love is reciprocated. So they give back as good as they get. What you and many men here say about emotionally negligent women is reminiscent of women who talk about physically abusive men. There are horrible people out there and you’ll end up dating one or two if you’re not careful and you don’t know wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 12:17 PM
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It’s a great comparison. Especially considering the type of women that say they don’t like men treating them like crap don’t date those type of men yet they still get broadbrushed anyway. I’m simply following the logic and showing how it goes both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 12:10 PM
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Idk. But looking at his dating choices prior Ciara was a shift.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 12:08 PM
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They do have other options. Ciara is one example. According to men her being a single mom to a “thug” should’ve eviscerated her dating pool yet she got with Russel Wilson despite having qualities men say they don’t want women to have. She did it because her looks trumped the baggage. It’s the same with men who are assholes who get lots of casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 12:02 PM
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Their ability wasn’t forcibly taken away though. They could’ve voted based on looks if they wanted but they chose to vote based on policy & platform instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 11:59 AM
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So you’ve witnessed and can grasp that women can look at and evaluate men through a non-sexual lens. Yet you still came to the conclusion that every judgement women make of men is directly tied to the mans sexiness?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 11:39 AM
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I mean come on. You think the women who voted for Biden and Trump did so because they think they look sexy? Or was it because they agreed with the proposed policies and platforms of those 2 men?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 11:25 AM
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My view is that they can and often choose not to look at men through a sexual lens. They can and do evaluate men outside of a sexual lens. I’m not seeing how me having hypothetical mind reading abilities = being obsessed with sex??
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 11:20 AM
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They might have low standards for the physical appearance of the women they’re willing to sleep with but that’s not what op was referring to by “high expectations”. By high expectation they mean thinking things like sex will solve all their problems or they need to sleep with multiple women to be sufficiently satisfied.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 11:19 AM
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They don’t. They can look at a man as a person as evaluate his character and attributes with his sexiness or lack there of having nothing to do with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 11:16 AM
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Except they don’t though. They can look at men as people separate from sex. You guys love to throw out the mental gymnastics accusations whenever someone doesn’t agree with your nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 11:14 AM
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You don’t, all I’m saying is for certain types of men it’s not helping their case. They’re not hot enough to attract the women who are really into casual sex culture so that’s not a way that will work for them to get sex. So they’ll have to go the relationship route. Going around saying you think women aren’t worth more than the hole between their legs isn’t a good way to get a girlfriend and it’s not going to make any women feel sympathy for men being sexless. They’re going to think what they a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 11:09 AM
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They can be somewhat used interchangeably as shown by the very next respect definition shown in your link.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 10:58 AM
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Respect: due regard for the feelings, wishes, rights, or traditions of others. This is what women mean when they say they want respect. Edit: also https://diffsense.com/diff/respect/reverence “When used as nouns, respect means an attitude of consideration or high regard, whereas reverence means veneration.” Venerate: to honor (an icon, a relic, etc.) with a ritual act of devotion
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 10:53 AM
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There’s a difference between respect and reverence.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 10:48 AM
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Yes but even outside of the dms we see what men say about us online. It’s not really doing them any favors.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 10:37 AM
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Ok and some men lavish single moms and gold diggers despite all their claims to hate those types of women. Exception don’t make the rule. Treating women like disposable sex objects isn’t going to endear them to you and make them want to have sex with you. Women who don’t want to be used as a human fleshlight will pass.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 10:35 AM
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Not respecting women is starting them with 2 strikes. If you’re not hot enough to have people overlook your character you need to up your rmv and being an asshole doesn’t help with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 10:34 AM
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That’s not a gendered experience. After my last breakup I decided to be single for a while and my family questioned if I was a lesbian.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 10:30 AM
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We know that’s how men act to girls. I’m surprised you don’t. Plenty of women and girls put creepy dms they get on blast. Reading through the threads online also doesn’t do men any favors either. They complain all day about how much they dislike women, yet still pursue women for sex it’s very off putting and I don’t see how men don’t realize this. They seem to understand it when the shoe is on the other foot. They get turned off by women who complain about men 24/7 and it demotivates them to do …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 10:22 AM
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The halo effect isn’t the same as being sex obsessed. People will attach unearned positive views to any beautiful things or people without sex being a part of the equation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 10:18 AM
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So. Basically what we have right now already?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 10:14 AM
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What reasons? There are women who show empathy to those men and they’re accused of virtue signaling. Empathy means nothing to men who think like this unless it comes with a side of vagina.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 10:13 AM
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Empathy towards women isn’t expected from men. It’s coveted and desired but women don’t expect empathy from men they don’t know.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 10:12 AM
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Women want to do all of those things for men. What they don’t want is to do all of those things for men with no reciprocity. Women who get equal effort from their male partners have no complaints, just like men who get equal efforts from their female partners have no complaints. Women only complain when they feel like men aren’t pulling their weight. They have no problem doing emotional labor for a man that can communicate his feelings in a healthy way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 10:06 AM
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Oh ok ok lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 08:25 AM
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Every man wants something different. Some men care about a woman’s money because they want her to split the bills evenly. You might want that from a woman but there’s dozens more that say “why do I care if she can cook and clean I can pay someone to do that”. So honestly it depends you just have to find your niche and figure out how to attract those type of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 08:25 AM
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Huh? Isn’t Babylon from the Bible?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 07:52 AM
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In their teens for sure, maybe also very early 20s but not 70%. It’s because they can’t contribute much financially yet and this is also a time where they’re developing more refined emotional intelligence. By mid twenties most women have a lot to offer they just only offer it to men they really really like.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 07:51 AM
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Most people in healthy relationships put back what they’re given. You’re supposed to give to each other. If most of the women you’re dating aren’t putting back into you, you need to find other people. They’re either opportunistic users or they’re not at a place to be qualified enough to give you what you want. There are other women out there who can give you what you want. Figure out how to attract those type of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 07:35 AM
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They don’t think life without sex is empty and meaningless. Men who have hobbies and things they really enjoy aren’t that obsessed with sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 07:26 AM
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No we wouldn’t because there’s men with high testosterone who don’t talk about sex like it’s a necessity in the way food and water is. If even they don’t think it’s that big of a deal why would women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 07:15 AM
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It’s because not getting sex isn’t disenfranchisement. It’s not systematically caused and it’s not a privilege relegated to only a tiny portion of people. It’s not something you need to facilitate survival in the same way you need a job. It’s not essential to survival in the same way food and water is. Also in America people don’t even believe free healthcare is a right and that’s something that has way more weight than sex. You’re expecting too much. America is an individualist capitalist natio…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 07:10 AM
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With strangers I don’t care. In a work place setting I do though because I have to see those people everyday and how your co-workers perceive you affects how your treated in the workplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 07:00 AM
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You could argue the same in this case as well then. The men want a wife who can have their kids but also stay hot and give them lots of consistent sexual attention. When they can’t get that they compromise by getting a mistress to fulfill those other needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 05:34 PM
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You’re a repeat baby daddy?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 05:28 PM
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If you read them you see that they did in terms of happiness. Happy people treat their partners better and beautiful wives make men happy. Take care~
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 05:19 PM
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The conclusions ACTUALLY drawn. Which is that being happy leads to better marital outcomes, engaging in more positive caretaking behaviors(which is better treatment btw) and overall better marital quality. I mean, um, yeah, good things happen to people in good marriages, and bad things happen to people in bad marriages. OK. That's not the same as what you're tryin to say. That’s not what the studies say. One says beautiful wives make men happy. The others discuss how happy people behave in marri…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 05:01 PM
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For me it’s because I take the men at their word who say these things. It’s not as if saying something like that is socially praised so I don’t see what motivation they would have to lie about that. For some men their behavior reflects this mentality as well. You can tell by looking at how they treat male vs female peers.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 04:53 PM
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The one about health discussed how happy spouses engage in positive caretaking behaviors that consequently resulted in better health outcomes for their partner. Did you also read the second study about happiness and marital quality? Looking at all these in conjunction is what Lead me to my conclusions. People treat their partners better when they’re happy, and happy with the with their spouse. The marriage is longer lasting that way. “The benefit of being in the high happiness trajectory was tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 04:46 PM
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Here’s the actual study: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0146167219832337 “we predicted that maximizing men (vs. women) would be more satisfied to the extent that their partners are relatively attractive, and that maximizing women (vs. men) would be more satisfied to the extent that their partners have relatively high status. We pooled the data from two independent, 3-year longitudinal studies of newlywed couples to test these predictions. Results were consistent with predictions. …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 04:25 PM
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“the attractive wives also reported higher levels of satisfaction” You didn’t even read it. They treat their wives better because they’re happier with their wives and the wives are also happier as a result. Unless you think how a man feels about his wife and marriage doesn’t affect how he treats his wife and marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 03:51 PM
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Here you go: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.her.ie/amp/life/men-pretty-wives-happier-marriages-new-study-finds-426782
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 03:43 PM
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They don’t I’m sorry but you’re wrong. The more beautiful you are the better men treat you. I’ve experienced this shift myself personally. There’s a noticeable difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 03:42 PM
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They don’t. You can compare. I think you’re confusing my point. I’m not saying men treat average women bad, I’m saying they treat beautiful women better. This is true for married couples as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 03:40 PM
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They literally don’t. Being beautiful gets you better treatment in all aspects of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 03:38 PM
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I mean reality is reality. Beautiful women get gifted and lavished for having a mans baby while an average woman is lucky if her husband is hands on and helpful. Now I’m not saying average women should expect the same treatment, all I’m saying is the experiences are not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 03:33 PM
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Who notices these alleged differences? Women? Yes women compare their experiences just like men compare. Barring cases of physical and emotional abuse it’s really only average and ugly women I see complaining about how they do so much for their boyfriend or husband and they wish he would reciprocate and do xyz. For beautiful women they don’t even have to ask men will just do it because they enjoy doing it for her. I see average women everywhere getting pretty much whatever they want from men. So…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 03:26 PM
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The percentages are different. It's more like top 40% to 50% of women. I strongly disagree that average women get treated differently from hot women. Average women get about the same treatment when it comes to getting sex, dating, and relationships as hot women do. They definitely do it’s very noticeable. When it comes to getting sex they can both get lots of sexual interest but if you’re a hot woman having hook ups you’re more likely than not going to find a man that prioritizes your pleasure b…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 02:59 PM
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There is there’s hot women and then the rest of women. Top 20% women get treated much differently than average and ugly women. So by your own logic men are settling when they get with average and ugly women. If the difference in treatment is what matters then they’re settling.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 02:21 PM
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It is called tall, dark and handsome for a reason. Light haired dudes and redheads are not their own "race", but still get treated similarly by many women, including those who share their complexions. Whether for sex or for relationships. Comparable women do not have to face this to any similar degree. The tall dark and handsome trope is old and isn’t really accurate. I don’t know if it ever was but I can’t speak to a dating landscape I wasn’t around to see. Tall and handsome is all that’s neede…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 02:19 PM
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That’s not my argument. My question is, why is it labeled differently based on the gender of the person doing it? Either it’s settling or it’s not.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 01:57 PM
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That is just wrong. The vast majority of men do not have blondness or "brunetteness" as a deal breaker. Way more women care significantly about trivialities like that than men. It’s not wrong. Women care about height, frame and musculature, facial harmony(so solid jawline and harmonious features) and race. When it comes to categorizing women and how they will treat them the trivialities matter more to men than women. For just sex it doesn’t matter. Nah, the stuff I talked about is not even possi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 09:25 AM
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Nah, whether blonde, brunette, black, or red hair, tons of men like one, multiple or all of those colors. And if they do not, they are less likely to be deal-breakers. Women overwhelmingly prefer only dark hair, with many having that as an actual deal breaker. Besides some strange former prejudices against red heads women didn’t have dealbreakers towards this any more stringent than men’s. Men like women with all kinds of eye color, women tend to prefer either blue or brown and that's it. My abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 08:45 AM
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Please quote my accusation. I said you were making persuasive arguments rather than speaking facts. “You're speaking ideals. You're saying things that make you feel good rather than saying the truth. Persuasive vs expository.” quote from you. That’s why I said men’s ability/inability to have sex has no bearing on my emotions. It doesn’t make me feel good or bad. So two generations tops? Compared to how many years of monogamy? Nearly 3 now and with how rapidly other aspects of our culture has cha…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 08:30 AM
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Skin color maybe, but hair color does not nearly have the same effect for women as for men. Not even close. And I take it you agree with my point about eye colors. Not really women judge men for eye color the same as men same with hair and skin. In my community the men are judged less harshly for skin color than women but hair and eye color men and women are judged the same. Those things are qualitatively different. Why can you not see that? If disfigurement, disability and/or death were/are ris…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 08:19 AM
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No, it is not. Men generally do not reject women for e.g. being brunette instead of blonde. Men with red hair or hair that is too light get rejected for that alone by considerable amounts of women (including in the US), and are the ideal virtually nowhere. All eye colors are considered attractive by significant amounts of men, the same is not true for e.g. green or gray eyes in men. Etc etc. They definitely do. I’ve seen and experienced it. In my case it was skin color. For other women it’s been…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 08:00 AM
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Cool solipsism. How is it solipsism when you made an accusation against me personally that I then denied for the aforementioned reason? More men procreated due to monogamy. That's going away in the west. We are the tinder generation. More casual sex, less monogamy, more fatherless homes. We're less like our grandparents and more like packs of mammals in our mating strategies. Causal sex isn’t new. They were doing it since the sexual revolution. Despite casual sex being acceptable for decades Ame…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 07:46 AM
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Men’s ability or inability to get sex has no bearing on my emotional state. In past circumstances men’s ability to reproduce hinged on their strength and provider abilities. Now things have changed and the “mating game” has changed. More men reproduce for every woman now than they did in the past. If circumstances change again who’s to say this gap won’t close even more?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 07:17 AM
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The impact of coloring is less for women though, and more colorings are considered attractive by significant amounts of men than by significant amounts of women. And while being super hot might not be easy, most women can at least be attractive/sexy physically, which is very hard for average + below men. The impact of coloring for men and women is the same. In most places. In the US they’re a little more forgiving of men who are the “wrong” color as far as desirability goes. It’s harder for men …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 07:14 AM
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You’re arguing what is based on the current circumstances, but do you really think things would be the same if circumstances changed?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 07:07 AM
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Not to this extreme degree. They’d still chase the too 20% but they wouldn’t view the bottom 80% as unattractive in the way they do now and the ratings distribution wouldn’t be as extreme.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 07:01 AM
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I find it hard to believe that this has such a big impact. But at least even with this, all those attributes are ideal in women at least somewhere, for men that is not the case e.g. with hair color, or having the "wrong" eye color (i.e. if it is not blue or brown). Not to mention that those women will still get better treatment than ~80% of all men. Coloring definitely does have an impact. Both men and women treat people differently based on looks. If you’re not super hot you’re not going to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 07:00 AM
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Again, do you think that may be a difference with how men and women respond to people? Those men who are disinterested and not showing interest will likely have their "no" taken for what it is. If you stop and look at them while saying "I'm not really interested," they're probably going to keep pushing because they have your attention, not because you're a woman. This is what happens to men when they stop too. Not all the time. Like getting hit on for example. One of my best friends when guys tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 06:56 AM
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No by coloring I mean hair skin and eyes. It differs depending on where you are. For some countries jet black hair is considered ideally beautiful, for others it’s blonde. Etc same with eyes some might find blue the most attractive others certain shades of brown. And skin alabaster white skin might be considered the ideal while in other places it’s olive or caramel brown. That’s what I meant by coloring. Pretty women who have the “wrong” coloring for a given place don’t get beautiful women treat…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 06:46 AM
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Single moms are also on the rise because people want kids without a partner. There’s a small but growing trend of people meeting child free singles to co-parent with. They’re finding people and mutually agreeing to be single co-parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 06:43 AM
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Yes and that’s why the situation looks the way it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 06:37 AM
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Hour glass figure, good facial harmony, full lips but not too big, bright eyes, thick long lashes and coloring(hair skin etc) that fits the beauty standard of your community etc
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 06:36 AM
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That’s not enough. If you want to be treated like a beautiful woman you need way more than that. For the average man nothing is comparable because they’re not as huge of a market as women. So products and services for them are minimal at the moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 06:33 AM
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Uh ok? This still doesn’t answer why it’s considered settling when women make distinctions based on attractiveness not when men do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 06:32 AM
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I did and I’m not getting the connection? Whether you’re beautiful or not you’re going to have to work because you have to put food on the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 06:28 AM
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? I’m not sure what this has to do with what I’ve said?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 06:26 AM
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I didn’t say too lazy. They just don’t do it for whatever reasons. The plastic surgery, cosmetic and beauty industries are mostly fueled by women. A lot of women if they just stayed with what they were born with would be rated just as low as men but because they artificially improve their appearance they bump up their rating and it shifts how the tiers look. If the bottom 80% of men changed how much they invest in their look men’s ratings would definitely look more like women’s.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 06:24 AM
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It’s the same for both genders. Women just pay for what they’re not genetically blessed with and it fuels the cosmetic and beauty industry to constantly evolve to keep up with womens desires and demands.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 06:22 AM
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Which men's? That's what I'm talking about. You might just be singling out certain men, or you don't have many experiences at all, and the ones you do have are what you're saying. "Out of the 8 times that I've seen a man get approached for something, they always respected his answer, while the dozen times I've seen women get approached for something, they're always pressed harder, so that means that men's answers are given more consideration than women's." Men’s experiences in general. From obse…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 06:21 AM
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They say this even about women in their twenties so idk. To me it sounds like sour grapes over not being treated like the hot guy but men don’t treat average and ugly women like beautiful women either.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 06:14 AM
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So why is it called settling when women do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 06:09 AM
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Yes because women invest a lot more to become closer to beauty ideals for women
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 06:08 AM
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Ok? I’m not sure where you’re going with this but part of the reason the tiers are skewed could be how much each gender does to bump themselves up. Women invest a lot more into beauty than men do. At the end of the day how hot your rated depends on how closely you resemble the ideals for your gender. Women invest a lot into getting a close to that as possible. Men are starting to do it more now though. That impacts the ratings.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 06:05 AM
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I think this way from directly comparing my experiences to men’s. Sometimes in the exact same situations like when I’ve gone shopping with male friends and we had the same cashier. Men saying no is generally more respected and people don’t view them being firm as being rude or combative like they do with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 05:57 AM
-1

I’m a little lost on what your second sentence is saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 05:56 AM
0

Women definitely do the same and when they get with men in the lower tiers it’s viewed as them “settling” yet men aren’t labeled that way even when doing the same thing. Either it’s settling or it’s not.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 05:51 AM
2

So then couldn’t you say men in the bottom 80% who get sex are also being given a chance despite not being super hot?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 05:44 AM
0

Yes and they treat women very very differently depending on which of those categories they fall in. Yet know one says the women in the lower tiers are getting “settled for” like they do about men in the lower tiers.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 05:43 AM
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I get that. They’ll fuck you if you’re not morbidly obese but there’s a distinct difference in how they treat women if they’re hot average or ugly and it’s just normal. It’s not talked about as if they’re just settling and those women are getting a raw deal compared to super hot women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 05:34 AM
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Why is it being “settled for” if the bottom 80% don’t get the same treatment at the top 20%? Men treat women differently based on how attractive they are as well, yet they don’t consider it “settling” to treat women in the bottom 80% differently than the ones in the top 20%
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 05:29 AM
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Its not super black and white and there’s exceptions to everything but when getting hit on, people asking for favors, people trying to sell you stuff etc when a man says no it’s respected much more than when a woman says no. When women say no people will try to negotiate her perpetually. They don’t treat men the same way. Even if a man and a woman are both firm they will back off from the man and leave him alone, but chastise the woman for being mean and rude and still continue to try to argue, …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 05:06 AM
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I’m talking even among strangers too though. They know nothing about you to determine whether you’re whimsical or serious yet they’ll just see gender abs from that determine how much they will respect someone’s no.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 04:57 AM
2

Yes wives act that way too but it goes hand in hand with loss of love and desire. If they’re staying in the marriage it’s for practical reasons not because they love their husbands. As I’ve learned here today some men can lose or never have respect for their wives yet still love them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 03:51 AM
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It’s funny because I came to the same conclusion about men’s love but for different reasons obviously. If you “love” me without respecting me it means you don’t see me as your equal. I’m on the same level as a toy or pet you’re infatuated with and when you find something new that incites the same feelings I’ll be replaced.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 02:15 AM
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No they wouldn’t. It being a female complaint doesn’t matter. Since you’re bringing race up the race of the woman also impacts how police handle the situation. If it’s a non-white woman making a complaint against a white man it will be immediately dismissed if he hasn’t actually done anything. If it’s a white woman making the complaint it’s a 50/50 shot they’ll check out the situation but they’re not going to arrest the man if he hasn’t done anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 02:11 AM
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All races get slandered in America. With white men it’s seldom done to your faces because people fear the consequences. They’re only that bold online. They won’t go around the work place or random white men saying the things they do online or on liberal media channels.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 02:09 AM
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This is one I didn’t realize. Their “no” is respected way more often.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 02:05 AM
1

Most women carry whatever weapons they can afford within the confines of the law where they live. They can help but if a man gets the drop on you before you can whip out a gun, knife or pepper spray it’s a matter of strength/fighting skill at that point. Also you’re more likely to be victimized by someone you know than a stranger so they’ll get you to let your guard down. So a gun knife or pepper spray won’t help you here either.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 02:03 AM
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Oh ok ok I think I see what you’re saying now. For men as long as you cherish someone, you don’t need to respect them to love them. Is that right?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 01:49 AM
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Yeah for sure! A little further down I acknowledged this might be projecting on my end but even taking my view as a woman out of it and just hearing how men explain this. The way they love women seems akin to how one would love a pet, a toy or maybe even a child. So is it really being in love? Is it lust and infatuation? Is there really a difference between the two functionally? Who knows.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 01:48 AM
1

That’s a good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 01:43 AM
3

No because they say they do love their wives and girlfriends, but they don’t respect them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 01:40 AM
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What’s confusing to me is I don’t know how you could claim to love someone and want them to be your life partner if you don’t respect them. I guess a little bit of it is projection because I could never imagine myself wanting to be with a man who I don’t respect long term. I couldn’t really love a man like that. I could cherish him, feel fondness towards him but not fall in love with him and want to be life partners with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 01:39 AM
1

I have never said this was overall better for women, I've said that this kind of mindset is good for men, women do not matter. Even if in your mind women don’t matter these men can still be killed or injured by their victims or law enforcement. They can also be incarcerated. Are those things good for men? This mindset isn’t doing men any unique favors. Having men view women as just normal people will end up with the solution you’re desiring without the consequences. I agree, some of them will wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 01:30 AM
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I know lol. I’m mainly referring to studies and surveys on orgasms. Men orgasm from piv much more frequently and consistently than women. Oral sex is the same but the gap isn’t nearly as wide as it is for piv. I’ve never had an orgasm from any kind of sex so it’d be cool to experience at least once.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 11:03 PM
3

I’m jealous of men’s physical strength. Even with minimal maintenance effort most of them are strong. They can pee standing up. People view you as intimidating or at the very least view you as someone to be taken seriously at first glance. Nearly guaranteed orgasm every time they have sex. The threshold for being called a whore is way more forgiving. People leave men alone and don’t really care as much about the individual choices men make. Those are just a few things.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 10:35 PM
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I’m not a man but I have a cousin who is like this and an uncle who was like this. They can sleep with women easily but it’s hard for to get or maintain a long term relationships. If you just want sex and absolutely nothing else from women then you’ll be fine. If you want a relationship then you need to improve your personality or get some money or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 10:24 PM
2

Lol yeah mangos are delicious!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 10:20 PM
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That’s not what I’m talking about though. I’m talking about men who consciously and undoubtedly know they have no respect for the woman they’re with. Yet they still claim to love her anyway. Like they will say they love her, they will do anything for her but if you ask if they respect her they will say no they don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 10:13 PM
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Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 10:12 PM
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You are wrong, most of them will answer that sluts cheat more... As well as that they’re used up. It’s unfair that she’s been with other men. It’s viscerally disgusting. They don’t want something passed around etc. They say all of the above and they genuinely mean it and believe it. In reality, real answer dives little deeper than that, non-manosphere, non-misogynist normal men care care about N-counts and their reasoning isn't that they view women as sex objects... Some of them might, but some …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 10:11 PM
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Nope, you can ask them and they will tell you the real reason, most of them just copy-paste same study. I have asked them. That’s how I know. You didn't answer my question. What was your question? If there’s a correlation? I answered that and I explained. Your hypocrisy is that you frame caring about N-count as a bad thing if men do it, but if you do same, it' cool. So what hypocrisy? I don’t care if men care about n-count. I care about them viewing women as sex objects. N count is just one exam…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 09:42 PM
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Yes I get this. What was confusing me is how many men out there will say what you did then turn around and claim to be in love with a woman they don’t respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 09:29 PM
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I'm not saying sex is consistent, its the only pleasure standard a man can afford to have met consistently. She will make him ride emotional waves of feeling better and worse, and he will be expected to increasingly make her feel better. He can afford to ask for other things though and ask that they be met consistently. If she can’t measure up you should leave. Same vice versa. Men cannot afford to. Anything a man needs makes him look like he wants a "mommy". Ok? So what if you get accused of wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 09:28 PM
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This is wrong, this is not the reason most of them don't want high-N partner. That's just edgy language... Except they’re not doing it to be edgy. They genuinely believe these things. They feel second best and disgusted by slutty women. They think she’s used up and for the streets and they have no respect and regard for her because they feel her having sex with many other men is her being disrespectful to herself. I could see what you’re saying but when you talk to men who think this way most of…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 09:20 PM
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When things are good they provide lots of sex affection and service, when things are bad they provide little or none If a person isn’t happy it’s their own fault majority of the time I’m still not following how these contradict? People’s mood affects their behavior so if a woman is unhappy in a relationship it will affect how she acts towards her partner. That doesn’t change the fact that if she’s completely unhappy it’s her responsibility to leave. Vice versa to the man. You have to up your gam…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 09:01 PM
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I do have to feel like that I’d feel used and dirty. Why did I allow myself to believe a guy wanted more when he didn’t. What red flags did I miss? I can’t help feeling that way. I just do. Since I know my personality I don’t put myself in certain situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 08:55 PM
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Pivoting? The difference is in the language. Men who care about n-count literally say they don’t want used/ran through vagina. Their problem is they don’t want a toy someone else touched. They like sex and they want a partner who likes sex but they don’t want one that liked sex with many other men. Sometimes to be facetious and petty I’ll model those claims to let those men know how they sound but for me I care about n-count because I want a low libido partner. I don’t get anything out of sex an…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 08:54 PM
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For someone like me that doesn’t work. I’d feel horrible after, I don’t want to be pumped and dumped so I prefer waiting and getting to know a guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 08:44 PM
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Yes, because I don’t like sex that much. So I care about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 08:42 PM
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How does it contradict? With casual sex culture it takes the bare minimum for anyone it I wouldn’t say it keeps them happy long term. You have to up your game the longer you’ve been together to keep things fresh and passionate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 08:41 PM
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I don’t think men only crave sex. I know they do crave sex but that doesn’t mean it’s the only thing they crave. Men can meet a woman and know that they want nothing further with her yet they will still sleep with. It’s why if you’re a woman who wants a relationship you should wait. Let him get to see your personality first.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 08:39 PM
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If a person isn’t happy it’s their own fault majority of the time. The only exceptions are if you can’t leave the relationship. If you can leave and your partner is making you miserable you’re responsible for yourself and you should leave. That goes for anyone man or woman. A relationship is give and take. If two people want to be together they should both be working to please each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 08:28 PM
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Ok this makes sense, it’s just very depressing to know this lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 08:26 PM
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I know respect has to be earned. I’m not arguing against that. Understanding that fact is part of the confusion for me. The men a man chooses to have in his life(close friends) are there because he respects and cherishes them. He loves them(platonically) and he also respects them. Those two things go hand in hand. Them earning his respect lead to them earning his love. With men and their girlfriends or wives it’s not the same. They often don’t respect them, yet they claim to love them. To me tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 08:25 PM
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It is horrible. Them perceiving women as sex objects is why they have those complaints. If they just saw women as people with libidos, desires, thoughts and feelings they wouldn’t care about those things. Viewing women as objects here solely for ones pleasure is what causes men to be upset about a woman’s sex life before him, he’s mad that his “toy”/object was used. Cheating is just horrible no matter who does it. Women don’t like when men cheat on them either. No one likes to be cheated on.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 08:21 PM
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It’s the truth. It’s why they string one girl along for 6 months but will commit to another in 6 days. They know what they like and what they don’t like but this has no bearing on a mans decision to sleep with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 08:17 PM
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Yeah but I’m confused because you keep saying sex is the only thing women provide consistently. If what I said is the answer then that means they don’t. Everything women provide depends on the stability and quality of the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 08:03 PM
5

That’s really horrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 08:01 PM
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What do you mean by consistently? Everything women provides fluctuates with the stability of the relationship. When things are good they provide lots of sex affection and service, when things are bad they provide little or none. Then they go back to provide all that when things are good again.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 08:00 PM
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It does and it doesn’t. What you’ve described sounds more like fondness/infatuation than love to me. It sounds like how you’d feel about a toy or a pet. I can understand why men feel this way, it explains why many men treat and view women the way they do but I just can’t wrap my head around why they think it’s fit to call this love? Thank you for explaining but I don’t know if I’ll ever truly understand this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 07:59 PM
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That’s what dating and getting to know someone is for. You spend time with them and see if they’re someone you could see yourself with and if you’d like to get to know them further. Most men figure this out before they even have sex with a woman. They just feign ignorance because they’ll still have sex with her despite not liking her if she’s naive enough to not pick up on his vibe.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 07:50 PM
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Women provide other things to men they really love if they feel safe to be vulnerable with him. It’s cute and wholesome when it works out. Horrific when it doesn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 07:46 PM
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Yeah I know most men get annoyed by there partners here and there. Those aren’t the men I’m referring to though. I’m talking about guys who really want sex but a relationship is the only way they can get it. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think most men feel this way about the women in their lives. I’m just saying there’s a lot out there that do. They feel that way because sex is very important to them but they don’t actually like women as people to any degree and if they do they can’t attract the …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 07:45 PM
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Yeah on purge week there’s a lot of threads of men saying how they only have a girlfriend for steady access to sex but they find her otherwise unbearable. Even offline there’s a lot of men that feel that way. They only have a girlfriend for the sex but they don’t actually like her or any women really. They’re just not attractive enough to have nsa sex, and they can’t pull of the carrot and stick thing where they lie about wanting a relationship to get sex. They have to actually be in one to get …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 07:38 PM
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How so many men can honestly claim to love a woman they have no respect for it boggles my mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 07:34 PM
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Male sluts are definitely a thing. There’s a lot of them and a lot more wanna be’s
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 03:11 AM
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I don’t think it’s really that common unless you’re dating for causal sex. In my dating experience the only guys that pushed for sex in 3 dates or less weren’t really looking for a girlfriend. Some of them were open to that but they weren’t looking for that specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 03:09 AM
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Well it depends on what the person was doing. If You’re a more relationship minded person that’s completely feasible. If you’re heavy into causal sex then your number will be high but if you were having primarily strings of monogamous relationships it’s not not hard to stay under n=20 by the time you hit your thirties.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 03:05 AM
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Double digits is a hard dealbreaker. I prefer men who are more chaste.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 03:03 AM
2

It is depending on where you live
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/21 04:05 PM
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It mostly happens in low income neighborhoods. Where and when I grew up men thought cat calling and grabbing was an appropriate means of flirting. It happened so often that police wouldn’t really do anything unless it was the same exact guy repeatedly doing it to you and even then they’d drag their feet. Where I live now they’re men are not nearly as bold and disrespectful. So if you encounter a guy like that he’s a one off crazy person and a weapon takes care of that. People that don’t have the…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/21 04:04 PM
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Yes I would. Being a man seems way more fun and free. People ignore men more but it’s a blessing as much as it is a curse. Choosing to live life on your own terms as a man won’t bring a bunch of unwanted attention and comments pretty much saying you’re “screwing” a man out of his chance for sex and kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/21 03:27 PM
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No. For the same reasons the girl in your example listed. If I realized I was developing feelings for the guy I’d break it off. Only because if I allowed myself to stay in that situation soon it’d be too hard to leave. So I’d feel it’s best to cut my losses and recollect myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/21 11:37 PM
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I don’t know what they’re doing. All I know is every time I’ve seen someone bring up on here that they should. They make excuses saying they can’t because feminists are against them. Which is why I made the point that I did. Every major human rights movement has had powerful detractors but that never stopped anyone from fighting for their rights. They’d make the fallen martyrs and keep on trucking.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 04:58 PM
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Don't you know? "The most effective cleaning service is a single guy expecting female company." Just don't open any wardrobes. LOL Lol, this is so true! I’ve lived in co-Ed apartments before back in college. One roommate I had never cleaned his room. It was utterly disgusting. Whenever he had a hook up coming over though, it’d be absolutely spotless. You wouldn’t even know it was the same dudes room. enjoy the person they're on date(s), too, not just the body. True!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/21 04:30 PM
1

on average. Outliers exist, of course. Yeah I’d say men are more diligent about that stuff than women. Maybe not lightbulbs and household appliances because if the lights go out or the vacuum isn’t working as well you’re going to fix it right away, but car maintenance and big stuff like that definitely. Men will service their car or take it in before a problem arises while women generally just leave it be until there’s an issue. What kind of guys are you picking? Not even kidding. Just average g…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/21 04:18 PM
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Why do they need so much furniture? Serious question. If something does not serve a practical use, whats its purpose? Idk, it just looks good and is comforting. However what I was referring to is I’ve been to many bachelor pads where all they had was a bed, sometimes just the mattress with no bed frame and maybe a chair. I’ve never seen a bachelorette pad that sparse unless she just moved in. I can completely understand men foregoing the extra stuff like bookshelves, coffee tables, ottomans,nigh…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/21 03:20 PM
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Yeah, I agree. I've been discussing why this happens with others. What's your take on it? Why do guys on average seem to not care much about the things you mentioned? It’s because statistically speaking women have a lower tolerance for disgust than men. So it takes a lot more grime and dirt to skeeve out the average man vs the average woman. Fair enough. Do you think the same goes the other way around for checking and filling vehicle fluids, changing light bulbs, re-attaching the power outlet af…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/21 03:08 PM
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I kind of agree, I’d add on to that though, living separately as well. You can do your own thing in your own spaces and come together to enjoy each other without complications
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/21 02:19 AM
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No, it’s because men and women have different standards for cleanliness and order. There are way more men than who are ok with: rarely or never deep cleaning a home, not having any furniture, eating basic unseasoned food, never folding and putting the clean clothes away etc. so that’s why there’s a clash. When dealing with men women eventually give up trying to raise him to her standards of cleanliness and order so she does everything and they both get used to it. Eventually she gets sick of it …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/21 02:17 AM
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Because men chase women down and demand these things so it kind of seems contradictory. They still associate with men because men can be great if you get a great man. Which is ideally what they want but they’re mainly pursued by not so great men and they complain about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/21 02:07 AM
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Some of them were “good” men that couldn’t find relationships or who failed at maintaining relationships. You’re looking at it through a biased lens. The main take away is that a lot of good men who fail at relationships aren’t all that good. They just have a well curated public image. So when women don’t date or leave “good” men, you should stop and think about the relationship nuances you’re not seeing. Not every failed relationship is due to female pickiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 05:43 PM
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Income
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 05:38 PM
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No it’s a problem with marriage because most men are like that after marriage. So no matter how good her vetting skills are she will still find herself in that situation dealing with a man. If she wasn’t married to him it would be even worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 02:19 PM
4

You should be when you post low effort comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 05:58 PM
2

Like $300-400,000+
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 05:48 PM
6

We pay our own bills now lol. What are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 05:45 PM
1

Your opinion. Most already were having sex with hot men. They just kept it on the dl. Sexlessness has risen for women too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 05:23 PM
1

Its your opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 05:08 PM
1

If that’s what you’d like to think, feel free.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 05:07 PM
2

Ok you can disagree all you want but the truth is still the truth. They were having hot fun sex with hot fun sexy men before the sexual revolution. They’d just keep it on the DL because their reputation would be ruined and if he knocked her up they’d have a shotgun wedding. So as I said. Women got nothing out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 05:05 PM
1

Yep. Enjoy the decline.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 05:02 PM
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Duh. Unless you’re hot, you can’t rely on one trait to get sex or a relationship. You have to have a combination of them. Which ones you play up more depends on your shortcomings.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 05:01 PM
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Sure. They played themselves because they got 0 perks. They have to deal with literally every single problem they complained about pre-sexual revolution(slut shaming, taking care of lazy men), plus new ones(difficulty finding quality relationships). An interesting state of affairs.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 04:59 PM
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Men do the same how? It’s not like he quits his job and becomes a NEET. Worse case is he becomes abusive. Something that can definitely be vetted for pre-marriage. They do the same by being ambitious pre-marriage but then getting lazy once they have a wife. They clean up and cook before marriage but then start slacking. They’re romantic and seductive but then they stop dating their wife after marriage. How do you know you’re wives libido won’t dry up the moment she has kids with you? How do you …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 12:04 AM
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Men’s problems are more so women flipping suddenly after marriage/kids. Cutting off sex and giving up their careers to raise the kids and care for the house. But then using this against them claiming emotional labor nonsense and divorcing for being bored unhappy. Men do the same thing. They just don’t divorce. The wife will. So that’s their own fault vet properly before saying I do. It’s your own fault if you marry an inconsistent woman. That’s a quality you can see and avoid before marriage. Wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 10:16 PM
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You can say the same for men’s problems. You should vet and sign a pre-nup before saying I do. Anyway that’s the crop of men women have to deal with so more often than not it’s more advantageous for a woman to stay single. Marriage doesn’t benefit most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 09:39 PM
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Sure you did. I’m going to choose to believe the truth. Amen.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 07:23 PM
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You can see the time stamps though. So I highly doubt it was a user delay.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 07:20 PM
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A system delay only for you? Interesting. And I accused you of not liking the answers because of the nature of your reply. You were making the accusations that people were running from facts and being silent. So initially I was under the impression that you did in fact see the answers but you just didn’t like them. Now you’ve made the claim that you didn’t see any of the answers because of a system bug. Interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 07:09 PM
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No it’s as I said. Men just think of apex fallacy when they think of relationships for women. Men issues with marriage mainly come from divorce and dead bedroom. Women issues is everything else. Caring for the husband, home, kids, dealing with not being sexually satisfied, neglected, not listened to, having a husband that’s basically another child, etc. Both sexes have issues that come with marriage that dissuades them from wanting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 05:50 PM
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You’re responsible for everything. That’s how it’s a bad deal. You have more time, freedom and happiness being single.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 05:23 PM
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You’re not really making sense. If your comment came way after the question was answered by a few commenters and you really read through the thread, how did you not see the answers? I get not seeing one or two, but not seeing any of them? Seems deliberate.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 05:21 PM
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Your comment came a good while after the others. I also addressed the other comment before I addressed yours. So this in conjunction with the timing of your comment leads me to believe you really just ignored what you didn’t like about the thread to soothe your confirmation bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 05:01 PM
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Imo they’re as common as they’ve ever been but in the past they would get married and have a wife to “mommy” them. Now women don’t want to marry them so they’re more visible.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 04:51 PM
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No. It sounds like I’m looking at reality for what it is. They answered and then you leave a more recent comment saying no one answered. So that means that you ignored all the comments answering.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 04:49 PM
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Huh? They’ve been answering since the beginning you guys just didn’t like the answers so you ignored them instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 04:39 PM
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They did. Those women are the same as the men they’re dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 04:36 PM
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For millennials a lot of those are planned single births. Something to keep in mind. A lot of millennial women aren’t picking crappy men. They’re choosing to forgo men all together and have a kid by themselves. That’s driving up the numbers too.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 04:14 PM
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They’re answering the question. You just don’t like the answers being given because it doesn’t soothe your confirmation bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 04:13 PM
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Since the sexual revolution. However I’ll amend her statements their expectations are low, dating wise, sexually and paternally. You can shift a lot of the blame for your shortcomings onto women and many men do. The bar is low for men however it’s why a woman making a man come after sex is expected but a man who can make a woman come is a rarity who is revered. It’s why a man who romances his girlfriend/or wife(through treatment as well not just money) is the object of envy for many women and a …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 04:10 PM
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They still took initiative to fight for the rights despite the odds though. That’s my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 09:00 PM
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Still lopsided, giving false dichotomy Would you mind explaining? I’m not sure what you mean. Agreed, but what happens to the average women being chased for sex, by more attractive men? Nothing she can choose to accept if she’s looking for casual sex, or pass it up if she’s not. Like the women? Women risk more and get less out of casual sex so they’re pickier. This will never change especially since women have no incentive or motivation to do so. So there’s no sense in men getting stressed over …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/21 12:33 AM
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So average = good looking? I said “hotter than the person you’re trying to pull” it can mean good looking but it doesn’t have to. You just have to be better looking than the other person. So men have to date down and accept that? If you’re trying to get low effort casual sex then yes. Most men here complain about not being able to get it with women in or above their attractiveness level for xyz reasons. If that’s the predicament you’re in shoot down or stay celibate. Very few people get everythi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/21 12:04 AM
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I’d rather share the man of my dreams because then I could live out my trophy wife/socialite fantasies for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 11:51 PM
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So you just proved the OP wrong No, because op said women date average etc. what I said doesn’t negate this. If you’re an average man you can go for a below average woman. The man is average but still hotter than the women he’s pulling. Also op wasn’t speaking specifically about casual sex from what I read. You added that in because that’s what you’re prioritizing. From experience, looks are primary for offline casual too. My former best friend was model good looking and pulled tons of casuals, …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 11:48 PM
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For casual sex it depends on if you’re pulling on or offline. If it’s online it’s all about looks. You have to be hotter than the person/people you’re trying to pull. If it’s offline what I said still stands for casual sex as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 11:39 PM
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You don’t have to be drama filled to be interesting. You can be interesting if you are passionate, assertive, have diverse interests, the ability to hold engaging conversations on a variety of topics etc. all that makes you interesting as well without being a criminal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 10:59 PM
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Exactly! It’s the same as when they say all women like criminals because criminal men get laid. Those men are getting laid by women who are also criminals or at the very least criminal adjacent they do crazy stuff and are attracted to men who do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 10:57 PM
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It’s because most straight men do not actually like most women. They’re simply sexually attracted to women. They find most women to be an annoying burden so they don’t want to put forth any effort into a relationship but they will project this onto women and say we’re asking for too much when in reality they gladly do the things women ask with no complaints when it’s a woman they like. A woman’s standards are only an issue to men who find her personality or character insufferable but they’re sti…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 10:56 PM
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Women invest way more heavily in appearance. You can start out with an equal number of female and male 3,4,5,6,7+ etc however the women who are sub 7 will use make-up, styling methods, cosmetic procedures both invasive and non invasive to bump themselves up. So then there ends up being more attractive women than men. Pair this with male thirst and female pickiness and yin end up with a situation where people think attractive men are a rarity.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 10:50 PM
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Not being fat doesn’t mean you’ll be pretty. Where do you think the butter face trope came from. Similarly you can have a more developed fashion sense and put more into facial care but that doesn’t mean you’ll be beautiful.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 05:15 AM
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1st of all; I would kill for a fat ugly woman who won't claim me in public but gives me sex on the regular. This is in no way "close". A little attention is infinitely more valuable than 0 attention. They don’t get sex on the regular. They get sex when the guy can’t cope with his dry spell any longer and the temptation of horniness is more compelling than how much she turns him off. Also no you wouldn’t want that. You wouldn’t get any pleasure out of it and it’d make you feel like shit to just b…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 03:21 AM
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It’s very close. A fat ugly man will have nothing. A fat ugly woman might have an ugly guy who’s willing to fuck her but not really claim her in public. She’s not going to have multiple beta orbiters. You have to be at least average looking to get that. Again, you’re bitter over not getting pretty privilege. That’s life, we’re not all born 10/10 hotties. Either level up or just accept what comes with where you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 01:59 AM
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Basically it’s saying there’s no one size fits all personality type or archetype that women like. The only common denominator is that they like attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 01:38 AM
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Oh boo hoo. If you’re ugly you’re not going to get pretty privilege. It’s the same for women. You get treated better the more attractive you are. No sense in being bitter over not getting the halo effect when you were ugly though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 01:35 AM
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Yeah but if in half of the population, only attractive people are breeding and it has been this way for centuries then ugly people would eventually become abs extreme minority or become extinct. The fact that there’s so many ugly people still around means that ugly men are still having kids too.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 01:06 AM
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Honestly this sounds like excuses to me because black people were indoctrinated into believing that their place was beneath white people yet that didn’t stop them from starting the civil rights movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 12:59 AM
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That’s not the point I’m making. What I’m saying is, if men truly believed in their cause and wanted to fight for it they would do so. Feminists pulling fire alarms abs crashing conferences wouldn’t deter them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 12:52 AM
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There’s also scientifically accepted data that show women are more likely to engage in behavior that societally is accepted as kind and empathetic. This is probably where the “waw effect” comes from. People have positive experiences with women more often than men so they come to view women more positively in general. Humans love generalizing after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 12:44 PM
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No it’s not fair because considering the rise of old. Swiping right on a guy and hooking up with him is how many women found their future husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 04:43 AM
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Yep you definitely did lose little bitch. Thanks for admitting it. Now go to bed. This will be my last reply because you’re a bratty attention whore who needs to learn his place.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 04:37 AM
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Goodnight my little bitch🥰
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 04:36 AM
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Aww you took the bait. So you can read you’re just being purposely obtuse. As I thought have a good night child.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 04:36 AM
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So you’re an expert on getting pegged I see. Also I didn’t consent to being a part of your weird kink play. Take your meds and go to bed little boy. Also lay off the porn. It’s warped your brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 04:35 AM
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I’m not upset I just realize I’m talking to an aliterate retard.If you’re still struggling I’ll see about getting you some visual aids😊
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 04:33 AM
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Sorry I don’t whine. I’m not bitch made like you dude. Go touch some grass and work on your social skills. Maybe then you’ll evolve beyond having Amelia Bedelia-esque comprehension skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 04:32 AM
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I really didn’t but you already showed that you’re delusional, can’t read, and are mildly autistic. Please take your meds.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 04:31 AM
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No I summarized what the two of you literally said dumbass. Maybe you should go and re-read what you said and stop being in denial about your own behavior. Also maybe you should brush up on your reading comprehension because I said in my comment that YOU IGNORED WHAT SHE SAID because you IGNORE everything you don’t like.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 04:29 AM
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I literally didn’t. Men who don’t want to be fathers aren’t going to magically change because the system does. The men who want to be fathers are already fathers. Things will just be easier for them. They won’t have to fight the system because it will be gone. There are still many many men who do not want to be fathers though and they will still sleep around and sure unwanted pregnancies so there will still be single mothers. It won’t change how we all interact it will change how men who want th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 04:27 AM
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I’m not a Buffon but you’re an idiot. I read the thread and even summarized it to you and now you’re pretending you never said anything? That’s comedy gold. It proves my point about you ignoring things you don’t like though. You don’t like that you got caught up so now you’re denying engaging in the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 04:25 AM
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Changing the system won’t change the problem. The only thing that would change is that the men who do want to be fathers would get full and split custody more often. Which is great! The overall problem will still persist because of culture though. You can take the laws away any time. However people will still be having sex outside of marriage. They’ll still take their time to settle down, men who don’t want or changed their minds about being fathers will still leave because there’d absolutely no…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 04:24 AM
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She did with the statistics. I explained how already but as I said you ignore everything that you don’t like. You can pick up on nuance and you can’t differentiate between the contemporary and historical use of words. I explained it to you but you just got mad abs ignored it. I have to know someone for them to be my friend. I don’t know her. I am not, never have been and never will be a feminist. They’ve done nothing for the group of women I’m apart of. So then that means you’re the one that act…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 04:20 AM
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I’m not denying that many do, but there’s enough that don’t for the single motherhood problem to still persist even if all the laws in women’s favor disappeared tonight. Then there’s men that think they want to be a father but the idea of something is rarely like the reality. I’ve seen too many women chasing down men trying to force the man to have a relationship with his child(ren) and honestly it’s embarrassing. I feel bad for the kid(s) too. It’s probably more emotionally scarring for the chi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 04:16 AM
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I can. I’ll summarize because it’s so many comments up and copying and pasting both of your comments is tedious. Anyway she said “it never happens to girls” exaggerative speech that you took literally. Then you said “I’ve seen it happen to girls first hand prove it doesn’t” Disagreeing with her statement and taking it literally. Then she came back with stats that served a dual purpose. Showed that she wasn’t using the word “never” in the literal sense. That the argument that single mothers are r…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 04:06 AM
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Not much would change. If modern culture if a man doesn’t want to be in a child’s life he won’t. A lot of guys just straight up do not want to be fathers then many others think they want it until they actually are one. So It’d just put the government on the hook financially for all the abandoned kids and if they didn’t pick up the tab then you’d see an increase in criminality and the mothers abandoning their children as well because they can’t afford to care for them and there’s no wic, welfare …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 04:02 AM
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You’re not being objective though. You’re just ignoring everything you don’t like. The subject was never changed. You just didn’t like the answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 03:48 AM
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Sure but they did. The kids are already here and it’s a trend that’s going to continue if people’s views towards marriage and relationships stay the same and the pro-life states maintain their stances on abortion. Single mothers are failing to raise masculine male children without a male role model. Responsible masculine men are needed to positively steer the temperaments of masculine boys. Feminine boys and girls aren’t as prone to growing up criminals as their masculine brothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 03:47 AM
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I see the obvious. You’re stuck on semantics and can see nothing outside of that. Random when the topic was literally the criminality of girls raised by single mothers compared to boys. Yeah, you’re definitely missing the point on purpose lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 03:44 AM
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I read the post and my opinion remains the same. She didn’t acknowledge it because she probably thought you’d put 2 and 2 together yourself. This is a genuine question and please don’t take offense but are you on the spectrum? I’m not trying to throw out an ad hominem, insult or offend you I’m just genuinely curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 03:40 AM
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Sharing a role model a couple times a week if even that is not the same as someone who can give you frequent and individual attention. I’ve worked at these programs. Having a male figure that you see after school for a couple hours who’s attention you have to split with dozens of other kids is not the same as having a dad. It’s not even as good as having a grandpa or uncle who can step in for dad. A shared mentor is a good start but it’s not enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 03:39 AM
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Um duh, you didn’t acknowledge her statistics because you’re stuck on semantics. That’s the whole point of this discussion. I know what all the words I’ve used mean and I also know that how words are used contemporarily especially on the internet can vary from their historical or literal dictionary definitions. This is something you don’t seem to understand. To further my point the way some people use “never” is the same way they use “literally” They’re using “never” to mean rare and “literally”…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 03:35 AM
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I acknowledged their existence there’s just not enough is my point. “There’s not a high supply” Which means they exist but not in great enough supply to meet the demand. It’s because as I said, unrelated men typically don’t want to clean up a mess they didn’t make. Single mothers know how serious it is. They just fall into a few categories Either they know and don’t care because they had their child for selfish reasons. Or they know and do care but they’re stuck because the role model their chil…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 03:33 AM
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She didn’t juxtapose to a different scenario she stayed on topic by showing the disparity in violent criminality between men and women. From that it was clear that she didn’t mean literally never, especially not with her comment about the same topic prior. She meant it’s just uncommon and was using exaggerative language to show that in her opinion blaming single mothers for male criminality is bs. Instead of acknowledging that you’re focused on semantics. That’s the nuance you’re missing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 03:26 AM
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And if one can’t be provided? Then what? There’s only so much coaches and teachers can do. Men in general say they don’t want to clean up single mothers messes so there’s not a high supply of mentors either. So unless there’s a grandpa or uncles willing to take on the role model position there’s nothing society can do. The single mothers just have to try their hardest and hope for the best because out of wedlock births will be the new norm as marriage rates continue to drop and people become inc…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 03:24 AM
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It wasn’t in accurate if you realize she was using hyperbole. Either way she then went on to do as you asked. Learning how to pick up on nuance would serve you well. Also she’s not my friend I don’t know her. I just know when something is literal and when it’s not. If you can’t tell the difference there’s resources to help with that. The thing about Nevada was to show you how the word “never” can be used in an exaggerative sense and not just a literal one. Something you seem to be purposely miss…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 03:19 AM
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It’s because there’s nothing that can be done about the kids once they’re here. The mothers can put the boys in foster care but the stats are even worse for kids there. Then there would be cries of misandry as well. Same with if they had sex selective abortions. Some radical feminists did that and it did not go over well. Especially given how a large portion of the country feels about abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 03:15 AM
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They did though if you read everything in context. Even after explaining you’re still confused? Nevada gets about 10 inches of rain a year but when you compare that to washing that gets almost 40 inches of rain. . . It “never” rains in Nevada.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 03:12 AM
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Women are raised by single mothers as well and they’re not as criminally inclined as their brothers. Men are probably generally more prone to violence and aggression than women and a lack of a male figure to rein that in and teach them how to channel their aggression in more legal and productive ways. Which doesn’t mean a single mother is bad for the boy, it’s just that a positive male role model is necessary to help guide him from youth to adolescence and then adulthood. Masculine boys need a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 03:09 AM
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It is, it doesn’t mean literally never, just that it’s so rare it’s inconsequential. It’s like people saying it never rains in Nevada. They don’t literally mean never, they’re speaking hyperbolically to convey how rare it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 03:05 AM
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Some women do it and it makes men uncomfortable. The only men I’ve seen who are ok with it are feminine men who are comfortable with the idea of being feminine.It’s rare but there are dominant women who try to protect and provide for the men they date and it makes the men uncomfortable. They want to be the lead or at the very least partners so they leave the woman because they feel like she’s trying to “buy them” or “emasculate them” men being treated by women the way men traditionally treat wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 01:47 AM
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Them getting caught yes. Them committing the crimes? Eh.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 01:42 AM
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Men do have influence over abortion decisions in many states though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 01:41 AM
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Abortion isn’t always a viable option because of accessibility and in other countries legality. You’re probably a north easterner. Abortion is easy to get here and affordable. Like in New York, I’m not sure if it’s still the case but if you got an abortion at planned parenthood and you couldn’t afford it full cost they could subsidize it for you if you could prove you make under a certain amount. In much of the south it’s not the case. I’ll pull up the stats again and edit it in but if you look …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 01:29 AM
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She provided you the stats. “Never” was clearly hyperbolic speech, but only 33% of criminals are women and they’re not all raised by single mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 01:25 AM
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If these same single mothers are raising girls the same way, and they don’t grow up to as criminally inclined as there brothers we have to re-evaluate how much blame we put on the mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 01:23 AM
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Lmao.This is one thing I don’t get. People who have fought for social change before have had hits put out on them, their homes burned or bombed,seen their associates killed, been arrested, had dogs released on them,been lynched etc yet that didn’t stop them from fighting for what they believed in.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 01:19 AM
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Why is the woman are wonderful view is an “effect” but then positive bias for men that “men are funnier” for example just viewed as truth? There’s exceptions to everything, but maybe women are looked at as being wonderful because generally speaking they’re nicer than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 01:17 AM
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She was a wife, mother, former employee and dear friend who got cheated on. Legally she could’ve probably gotten more but she put the ball in Jeff’s court and that’s what he agreed to give her. He had nothing but nice things to say about her post divorce and he wasn’t upset about the alimony she got.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 02:03 AM
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That’s you dude, get a refund on your ESL classes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 04:11 PM
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Or reading just enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 04:05 PM
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I didn’t attach any extra to it, the words you chose to articulate your point say a lot. I wouldn’t marry someone that can’t take agency over their own life.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 03:59 PM
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I never ignored your point, however you ignored mine but I didn’t throw a hissy fit over a little disagreement. The goal posts remain in tact. You feel the laws are unfair. Ok that’s great but they’ve been this way for decades and there’s no signs of them changing. So what solutions are there for the here and now? The advice would be well heeded by someone like you who falls apart and and feels “greatly disadvantaged” by the slightest inconvenience. If self protection is a disadvantage and too m…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 03:15 PM
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There’s no need for snark. I get your point. I just disagree about what should be done about it. There have been people displeased with marriage and divorce laws long before you and I were ever born and not much has been done and I doubt much will be done in the future. So, instead of being downhearted about it figure out the best course of action to protect yourself. Either don’t get married or if you do be smarter about it. This would be like me saying using birth control or contraception is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 01:44 PM
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There’s plenty of laws that aren’t fair and even when they are they’re not always applied in a way that’s fair. So sometimes you have to protect yourself and look out for your best interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 01:37 PM
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Honestly I don’t see the big deal. Anyone I marry will probably earn less than me. I would just initiate and pre-nup and personally I would pay for both our legal fees to ensure are lawyers are the same caliber. No one in this world will look out for me but me and my parents. So I would do what it necessary to protect myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 01:26 PM
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Ok but in the end you still have to protect yourself. A couple hundred for lawyers fees is better than tens of thousands of dollars in alimony. Also you realize you can just ask them to pay for their own retainer fee right?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 01:23 PM
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How can it put you at a disadvantage. If the person no longer wants to marry you after you ask that’s a red flag and you should be happy you found out before you had to pay up. There’s no reason to not go through the proper steps of getting a pre-nup if you want to get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 01:17 PM
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It’s not that big of a disadvantage and if you’re looking at marrying a less ambitious or lower earning partner it’s something you should be doing to protect yourself. Are women sexually disadvantaged because they have to initiate the use of birth control more often than not? Or are they simply protecting themselves. The laws won’t change because the people actually shelling out the big bucks post divorce don’t care to lobby and have them changed so in the mean time if you want to get married yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 01:07 PM
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Well when a pre-nup is done right it can protect you in the case of divorce. It’s like a condom it’s not 100% effective but if you use it right it can protect you with good odds. If you can’t have the conversation of a pre-nup with your partner then you’re not ready for marriage. Plenty of things are uncomfortable but necessary to discuss. Marriage isn’t all sunshine and rainbows and there will be uncomfortable moments. If you can’t handle that before you say “I do” then it’s best to just not ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 12:55 PM
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Well that’s what a pre-nup is for. If both parties sit down with their own lawyers separately and then together and discuss things to come up with something fair then divorce goes in a way that’s fair to both parties. Also in court from what I saw of my parents divorce and what I’ve seen of other divorces career advancement isn’t the reason it’s “you got them accustomed to a certain lifestyle so you have to maintain it until . . .” The ellipses is because in some states it’s if they find their o…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 12:42 PM
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She made less than you coming into the marriage so that was something to consider before tying the knot. My parents had that issue and my mom had to pay my dad alimony. If they made less from the beginning you know what you’re getting yourself into. Also with Jeff and Mackenzie Bezos. He wanted her to invest in him. High profile men like that don’t think about money the same way the result of us do. Very wealthy men want women for certain reasons and money isn’t one of them. If you read into Jef…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 12:19 PM
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For saying I don’t know? Are you omnipresent and omnipotent? If so I have a few questions for you!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 01:37 AM
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If Jeff Bezos himself isn’t as irate about it as you are then I’m not downplaying it. My other comments deals with your faulty math. https://www.businessinsider.com/jeff-mackenzie-bezos-divorce-official-settlement-38-billion-2019-7 Actually the more I think about it the more wrong I realize you are when their divorce was first publicly announced there were rumors circulating that Mackenzie would get half the fortune which was about double the amount she actually got. In the end she got 38B. But …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 12:57 AM
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You have to look at what he was worth right before the divorce settlement went through. You can’t gauge her percentage based on some historical figure. That’s absolutely asinine. Using a figure 4 days before the divorce settlement announcement was finalized is equally as asinine. That figure is the result of the divorce hit, not what his net worth was prior to it. He was worth less than 161 right before divorce settlement (ie, 118). Announcement not settlement. Prior to the divorce proceedings s…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 12:56 AM
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What you’re doing is much more asinine. The article you linked provided his estimated net worth 4 days before his divorce finalization was announced. By that time his net worth had already taken a hit due to bad press and his pay outs to her. That’s why I used a number a little earlier. You get a more accurate view. The number you gave is one that is after the divorce already started impacting his net worth. Also the process began in 2018. They were already separated and gearing up for divorce w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 12:38 AM
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No he wasn’t. He was worth about 161B prior to divorce. The year he divorced his net worth dropped because he transferred Amazon shares to his now ex-wife, and the bad pressed dropped Amazon stocks. He was worth 161B in 2018. He divorced July 2019 then October 2019 reports of his net worth dropping came out. Just so you’re clear on the timeline. His net worth dropped to 118 and lower after his divorce. As of 2020 it’s about 176B so even higher than what it was before his divorce. https://www.goo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 12:22 AM
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He was worth 161 not 114 38/161=23.6%
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 12:14 AM
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If she put in as well yes because then it belongs to both of them, if not no.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 12:13 AM
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It’s not solipsism it’s a counter narrative. Men here speak of these things like it’s true for all or the majority of women, so when women respond to rebut they speak in generalities too.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 12:04 AM
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Personally I’m not. I dated a feminine man once but I think a lot of the problem with him is that he embodied all the negative and toxic aspects of femininity with none of the positives.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 11:53 PM
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What if the chick broke it off because your homie had deal breakers?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 11:45 PM
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It’s true. The only women I know that like assholes long term have asshole fathers so they’re comfortable with a man mistreating them. It’s their “normal”. All the women I know who have good relationships with their fathers prefer men who treat them well. Obviously physical attraction is important as well though. For most women if you had them choose between a handsome assertive man that treated them well and a handsome assertive man that treated them like shit, they’d choose the former. You sel…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 11:43 PM
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That’s only true if you pair with the wrong person and it’s not gender specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 11:24 PM
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Mackenzie came in as the lower earning partner, as far as I know there was no pre-nup and she assisted in getting his business of the ground. She didn’t even get half of his wealth. It was one hell of an alimony payment but not half. After googling she got about 25% not 50 as you claimed. Pre divorce Jeff Bezos was worth a little over $161 billion, Mackenzie got $38 billion. That’s not half
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 11:16 PM
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You’re over-exaggerating investing. Unless you’re a day trader you’re going to be putting in a couple dozen or a couple hundred at best. I’ve put a couple thousand into stocks and my money is doing well so far. I didn’t put “thousands” of hours into it either. I spent a few dozen studying and analyzing then went with a few stocks that consistently do well. Plus with the rise of Robinhood, wealth simple and other apps it’s easier than ever to invest in the stock market.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 11:14 PM
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Jeff bezos is a poor example. She made less than him coming into the marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 11:09 PM
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Ok, black people were not the ones in power during that civil rights movement and women were not the ones in power during first wave feminism. Men can mobilize and appeal to the men in power to change things if they want. Men can do amazing things when they come together for a cause they’re passionate about.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 10:30 PM
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The women that hate them will just avoid them. The men who hate them will make fun of them and bully them. To give an example. There’s this guy I met who cries a lot and is very sensitive. Any little comment that you may view as innocuous could set him off. He was off putting to a lot of people because of it. Our female associates just simply avoid him whenever they can but the men make fun of him to his face they tell him he’s not a real man, that all the soy milk he drinks has made him into a …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 10:28 PM
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Men can change all of that though. It didn’t have to be this way. Up until recently men set social rules. They still have a huge impact on social rules as well. If they wanted this man up thing to change they could change it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 10:24 PM
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Depends on the type guy. If he seems weak and helpless they will but they won’t respect him the same way they would a man that’s able to fend for himself no matter what.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 10:21 PM
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Not to be an ass but I don’t understand why women being rated as nicer by others is a “halo” effect and viewed as undeserved by trp and the manosphere but men being rated as funnier is just viewed as the truth. Couldn’t it be that women generally are nicer and so people are nice to them in return? This doesn’t mean that every woman is nice just like men being rated as funnier doesn’t mean every man is funny. However there could be some truth to why women are viewed as nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 10:13 PM
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Well there’s growing numbers of men and women that are marriage averse so I don’t see much that can be done to solve the single parent issue. Women don’t hold all the power. It’s about desirability. The more desirable you are the more “power” you have in the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 12:30 AM
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Higher than ever but they’re still not the majority and it’s risen because the way Americans dates has changed dramatically. There’s a lot more people that don’t date to marry and there’s not as much stigma around being single and playing the field, there’s less parental input in relationships etc
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 10:26 PM
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Plenty of women care beforehand but you just don’t notice them because they’re not the stacies you daydreamed about in highschool. Now if you want to talk on what happens in reality and not black-pill verse you’d know that most men and women who want relationships care about those things I listed and they care about them before they become single parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 10:18 PM
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So if you’re both simping then what is it? Isn’t it still beta?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 07:11 PM
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Idk man people online define alphas as a stoic assertive aloof type. The type that a lot of women are attracted to but also feel uneasy around. Also when I’ve described that I like the cheesy lovey dovey romantic types of guys, who I feel save to reciprocate with people here say that’s beta so that’s what I’m going with.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 07:10 PM
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It has nothing to do with them being chad or not. You have to filter for a lot besides look to ensure you’re compatible. Even if a woman finds a guy she clicks with they both might not want marriage so, slim pickings.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 07:08 PM
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A lot of women pick right. The pickings are slim though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 05:17 AM
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Not really it depends on the circumstances at the time of you leaving and what you’re looking for in the next man.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 05:04 AM
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It’s because picking the wrong man is like dropping a nuke on your life
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 04:32 AM
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I’d rather have a family with a beta. I like the romantic type. You can mutually simp for each other without worrying about getting exploited and your kids can grow up in a happy healthy home with loving parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 04:24 AM
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Keeping my n count low and only dating wholesome guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 04:23 AM
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Exactly!😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 04:22 AM
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They’re the same but men try to use the excuse that they had to work hard for it when 9/10 the men who can get n-counts that high put in the same amount of work as their female counterparts.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 05:33 PM
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You’re attracted to those types and they probably are attracted to you as well. If you want to find girls that haven’t done it there are plenty that are out there. Girls who have done it are still in the minority. It’d be like me saying all men are nothing but fuckboys after sex. It’s not true of the majority. Sometimes you have to take a step back and analyze why you’re attracted to or attracting the same type of people over and over. Either way your excuse is still bs because in other countrie…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 05:25 PM
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It’s always been a minority of women who do it but men extrapolate things to the majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 05:17 PM
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I’d say it’s more intermediate than hard. Foreplay and giving head while listening or paying attention to what she likes will get the job done.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 02:29 PM
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The fact that they have to hide it shows it’s still viewed as something shameful. I’m going to be completely honest anything that happened before the mid to late 2000s culturally and socially I don’t have direct connection to because I was still living in childish bliss up until that point. When I started paying attention to this kind of stuff though I realize there was two messages being pushed, that it’s ok to be and slut and that it’s horrible to be a slut. The former is something newer that’…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 05:14 AM
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The same things as women they find their niche and cater to it. Some make content of them masturbating or sell nudes. Some make homemade porn, some cater to men and women who are into domination, some cross dress. It depends on who their looks and demeanor would be most marketable to.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 11:11 PM
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You wouldn’t be a natural born woman but you’d have tits, a vagina and would present as one physically and be treated as one unless you outed yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 11:09 PM
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Yes. If you know how to market yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 11:02 PM
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There’s also bisexual men. There’s probably a lot of closeted gay men too so the market is bigger than you think. Not to mention there’s women that solicit male of creators as well so if a man wants to do it he can. There are men that do it already and are popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 11:02 PM
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You would in 2020 America with the right surgeon. Also it’d be arguably easier for you to become a woman than get drafted in the NBA.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 11:01 PM
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You know men have that option as well right. There are popular male users on only fans.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 11:00 PM
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It’s the male version of apex fallacy. They always seem to ignore the social ramifications for women, as well as the fact that men can do only fans as well, plenty do and they make good money either catering to gay men or women who have fetishes for men dressed up as kitty maids.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 10:57 PM
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You wouldn’t be able to do that unless you were very beautiful. You only make good money of only fans if you advertise on social media and going public with that hurts your dating options unless you’re beautiful enough to cancel it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 10:53 PM
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You don’t have to be that good if you play kids games. Just enthusiastic.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 10:51 PM
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Studies show they are pickier though. They’re pickier about sexual partners than the average man. Theoretically they could just lower their standards and sleep with anything with a hole like gangsters. Just because they’re men in their mid twenties doesn’t mean take away from them picky. There’s exceptions to everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 08:31 PM
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I also said that they’re picky about who they date and who they commit to/stay committed to as well. Women are picky about all those things yet you only care about the pickiness of one category and what that means. Who women sleep with casually and which men they don’t “monkey-branch” from are discussed with the same amount of passion. So what I’m wondering is basically this. If a woman is very picky about both who she sleeps with and who she stays committed to, why does the men she sleeps with …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 08:29 PM
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Yeah I see where you’re coming from I just don’t think a woman who wants to be treated well should focus on looks. What will actually tell you if he’ll be good in bed or not is how he treats you overall. If his actions outside of the bedroom aren’t showing that he likes you or cares about you chances are he’s going to be selfish in bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 08:24 PM
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Unless they’re socially inept that’s something a large portion of them can remedy when they see fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 08:22 PM
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Women are picky about sex, and who they have relationships as well as who they commit to. So why does who they have sex with hold the most weight in your eyes?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 08:15 PM
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You realize that bolded part kind of disproves your argument about men liking nice girls. . . They talked about sexual success but not long term romantic success.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 08:12 PM
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The MIT grad himself may not be interested in being promiscuous though. http://m.digitaljournal.com/article/288111 “Intelligent men have been found to be more exclusive in their sexual behaviors. “ High IQ men aren’t chasing skirts at the same frequency or level of aggression as gangsters.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 08:11 PM
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Yeah I read through all of them. The traits that are attractive to women are assertion and dominance. A man can have these traits and not be a violent psychopath or a bully but it seems you’ve interpreted these studies to mean that because men who are dark triad possess those traits in greater frequency. When a man is completely dark triad it only benefits him in the short term. Which is my guess as to why you’ve taken these studies to mean “women love psychos” and why you think sex appeal is th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 08:03 PM
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From my personal experience I don’t think dating less desirable men helps all that much. I prefer men with low n-counts so I’ve never had sex with a super hot guy who had women all over him, but comparing my experiences to my friends who’ve slept with hot guys it’s still the same. The sex is bleh, if you tell a guy you’ve never orgasmed from sleeping with him it’s an ego bruiser and even when they try and are willing to learn they don’t take directions quite as well as you hope so it’s frustrati…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 07:58 PM
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After reading through all these your links don’t trump anything because you’re doing what a lot of people do. Confusing cause and correlation. But if you don’t want to continue discussing it that’s fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 07:54 PM
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Not surprised you won't open the link, facts and evidence are like kryptonite to women. If your brief on the link is accurate then you didn’t provide any facts. High value men in the rmv are Simps now Lmaoo. Your anecdotes mean nothing. The age of first marriages keep on going later and later and fewer people are even marrying in the first place. People marrying later or not marrying doesn’t mean they aren’t looking for a quality life partner. You can look for a quality ltr without marrying them…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 07:38 PM
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Here, let me put to rest your thesis that women are looking for "HVM" which you have basically defined as a simp: https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/cux0dm/discussion_research_finds_that_women_do_not/ I’m not even going to open that link cause I’m cracking up. What I defined as a hvm rmv wise is a man who’s a good husband and father and that’s a simp🤣😂😂 No, women aren't looking for that type of man UNTIL HER OPTIONS RUN OUT Psychopathic hot guys are rare and in demand. Get used t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 07:15 PM
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No you aren't, i don't live in some backwoods part of the country, I've lived in Boston and NYC and i currently live in a city near NYC. You're way overestimating the number of 'hot guys' there are. Go to the grocery store, go to the mall and see how many guys you would be DTF no strings attached. I've done this experiment with women and women are typically better looking than men and it's a fucking wasteland more often than not when i'm trying to see how many chicks there are that i would bang.…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 06:57 PM
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I am living in the real world. It’s not hard to find men who look good, especially if you live in a high density metropolitan area. Their looks and ability to attract women sexually speak nothing of their character and ltr qualities though. A man not being good looking or working in a blue collar job is not going to disqualify him in the rmv if he knows what kind of women to look for. Born and bred UMC white collar women want white collar men but you can get them to fold if they like alpha men a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 06:40 PM
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The number of options won’t change this. If a man views women as disposable trash who’s only purpose and worth is what they can do for him sexually, he’ll treat women that way whether he has 0 women, 10 women or 100 women hitting him up. If he views women as people who are just as flawed and varied as men he’ll treat them that way whether he has 0, 10, or 100 women hitting him up. The only main differences that looks affect is this, if a guy views women poorly in general and he’s good looking wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 06:14 PM
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And their entire motivation for doing so isn't altruism towards a man of decent character or a desire to actually compromise and cooperate to build a better life with a man who's actually on her level (which is included in who they consider "toxic")... it's still because they want to lock down a guy who's way above her league, and they think that's somehow the way to do that. So? Men teaching other men how to be more desirable to women isn’t out of men’s altruism towards women either. Sometimes …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 02:42 PM
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Actually it really is. Value is determined by desirability and rarity. A man who can have sex with lots of women is valuable because women want that man because he's extremely attractive and there aren't many attractive men (see dating sites where women rate 80% of men as being 'below average attractiveness'). It doesn’t make you high value to women who are looking for more than just sex. It makes you high value to men who have sexual Fomo. Because you're a woman. A woman (even an unattractive o…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 02:40 PM
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They don’t matter because most people don’t sit down and have an exit interview with the people they reject. Have you told every woman you rejected the reason why with an explanation? Again it doesn’t matter because to that woman it’s going to look like you pumped and dumped her. You dumped her shortly after she slept with you. You didn’t take the time to get to know her before sex. It’s looks how it looks to her and outsiders. Again, you don’t have to switch up what you do and you don’t have to…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 02:33 PM
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My bad I looked back and I did in an older comment to you. Your reasons don’t matter though. The outcomes are still going to be the same. She still got pumped and dumped. This is what it will look like to her and anyone that isn’t you. This doesn’t mean you have to change anything on your part though. The woman is the one that will adjust to protect herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 11:49 AM
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Yeah they probably would’ve been. Most of the men here a giving him actual advice instead of just criticizing. Their criticism is much more respectful than what they would’ve given a woman as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 11:21 AM
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From other women but men will react negatively.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 11:20 AM
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As a 23 year old woman in shape woman with her life together I can say a man being able to have a lot of sex isn’t what makes him high value. In theory I can have a lot of sex with whoever I want to as well. That doesn’t make me high value. It means you’re sexually desirable. However can your sex appeal make you a trustworthy competent partner? Can it pay the bills? Can it make you a good father? Does it make you chivalrous. Probably not.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 11:14 AM
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Plenty of women do. On YouTube there’s women who coach other women on this. Women who are working together to dissect their childhoods and figure out why they keep ending in the same situations. They discuss reconnecting with their feminine energy and not accepting toxicity from men, self-improving etc. now that’s it’s starting to gain traction there are a growing number of men that hate on those channels. Whether women put actions to it or not men will be mad because certain demographics of men…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 11:09 AM
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On tv but not irl. It hasn’t done much yet to change public opinion. You’ll still go around seeing women who’ve had causal sex called thots, hoes, sluts whatever else. In high school you remember seeing girls who had sex in anything but a committed relationship and watching how they were judged and branded. Then you go online and see men expressing disgust for women that have had casual sex. That can be much more impactful than network television.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 11:03 AM
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On big network tv but everywhere else you go as a girl and then woman you get the message that sex is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 11:00 AM
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Most men are not selfish lovers but they can be bad. It doesn’t mean they’re intentionally this way and I definitely wouldn’t say who are unintentionally bad in bed are not a minority. Every partner is different and you have to take the time to learn their body, their turn on, and depending on their emotional relationship with sex you have to make them feel comfortable to be mentally vulnerable enough to where they’re even in a mental state to properly enjoy the physical stimulation you’re givin…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 10:58 AM
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It doesn’t matter if they have a lot of options or not. What determines his behavior is how he views women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 10:47 AM
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So basically, sex for men is seen as bad if they can’t have but for women it’s seen for bad if they do have it. You don’t see how this can contribute to the mentality in women that you’re asking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 10:43 AM
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Academic online discussion has the same effect as talking about it online. Younger millennials and gen z spend a lot of time on the internet. Young women will come online and know that men will view them as dirty and defiled if they have sex. So that in addition with all the other side effects and social messaging will lead to a woman viewing sex as something she gives to a man regardless of whether she enjoys it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 10:41 AM
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I was going to say all this lol, but thankfully you did it first.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 10:37 AM
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Yes, you reject people you don’t want. Regardless though the woman is going to feel the same afterwards. She slept with him and he didn’t want her.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 10:30 AM
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No, it implies that the person is emotionally hurt over being rejected and it cuts extra deep because they were sexually intimate/vulnerable with the person that didn’t want them. Also, that’s what trp and ppd use the term to mean anyways. Women being used for sex by men they want a relationship with, who don’t want a relationship with them. They guy got his rocks of then dipped.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 01:31 AM
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No it depends on how long their relationships last. Not every woman has that revelation in their 30s for some it’s their mid twenties and some in their 40s.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 01:30 AM
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When you say exchange it implies both parties are getting something out of the deal. When you say reward it sounds like only one side is benefiting. So you can’t interchange them because you’re communicating a completely different thought, because you’re using completely different words with completely different meanings.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 01:28 AM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 05:50 AM
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It’s beyond empathy though. Empathy would be understanding where someone is coming from and not making them feel judged or shamed for their wants. However this isn’t what most men actually want. They want women to adhere to men’s desires even if it’s detrimental to the woman. They want this despite the fact that many would not do this for women and despite the fact that they’re disgusted by men who do that in any capacity.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 05:10 AM
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They know they’re not good at first but they hold out hope that they can love them into being good. Until they eventually find out that no matter how much love and support you throw at a man, even if it’s reciprocated, it won’t make him change who he is unless he desires to change for himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 05:07 AM
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It’s not for me, I’d prefer to just have a full blown relationship. However for people that do it one motivation is that when you have an exclusive sexual partner it lowers the anxiety around stds. You’re not going to worry as much between tests since you’ll only have each other to worry about as long as you both stuck to the agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 04:59 AM
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You can’t though because the 2 different words convey very different meanings and express different sentiments when you’re using them to describe an action. So, depending on which word you use the people reading or listening are going to envision a different action. So either you cared about it in the moment because you wanted to pass. Or the more likely scenario you went through the motions and currently you wouldn’t be someone who’s qualified to really teach it. Or speak about calc with any au…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 04:56 AM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 04:52 AM
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For a variety of reasons. 1)Some men need longer than that to know that you’re gf material. 2)for some men they’ll still fuck a woman anyways even if they disqualified her date 1 and they both said they were looking for a relationship which ties into. . . 3) for relationship minded women getting pumped and dumped by a guy they genuinely like is hurtful for them so they want to protect themselves and may be averse to having sex until they know they and the guy are on the same page.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 04:47 AM
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Yeah, because you still keep replying in two places despite my efforts to condense things. If you googled the definitions and still thought two different words meant the same thing then that’s very telling lol. I don’t know who your calc 2 lecturer is, idk if he even really exists, how he’s relevant to the conversation, nor do I care about him.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 04:44 AM
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Nope, because if you don’t care about something you won’t be motivated to actually genuinely learn about it properly and you’re more subject to confirmation bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 04:38 AM
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I’m trying to condense things. No point replying in two places when we’re talking about the same general topic. Also I did, your English comp skills just aren’t that great, which is why I tried to make things easier for you by quoting the definitions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 04:36 AM
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You can’t know what something is if you don’t care about it. That means you won’t take the time to properly understand it. So you don’t know what they want and consequently don’t know what the motivation is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 04:33 AM
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You’re just very prideful and can’t admit when you’re wrong. Has nothing to do with me. I already did explain how you’re wrong by quoting the definitions of the words and explaining that the sentiment of what you’re expressing changes depending on if you use reward vs transaction. And that women’s want dictate their motivations which will determine how the interaction plays out. Then you responding that you don’t care. So seems to me you know you’re wrong but as you said, you don’t care and you’…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 04:32 AM
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It’s when you and your fuckbuddy are only fucking each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 04:28 AM
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You don’t. You also just prior to this that you don’t care to know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 04:27 AM
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It’s clearly not if you think two words with completely different meanings are interchangeable. Understanding the little intricacies and nuances of English can be hard. Struggling with it is to be expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 04:26 AM
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Why would I be trolling? I read your comments and you attempted unsuccessfully to defend your point. Then I saw your comment about how English is your 3rd language and it explained why you’re having trouble understanding the difference between the meanings of certain words and how what word you use completely changes an idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 04:19 AM
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So the motivation for an interaction means nothing to you? The thing that is the driving factor of whether an interaction will be transactional or not is irrelevant?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 04:18 AM
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You didn’t, but go on lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 04:12 AM
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It’s not. Women want both in the same man. In the past it used to be more transactional because they would settle for men they weren’t attracted to at all, but modern women aren’t as apt to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 04:12 AM
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Every few months. Also men have hoe phases too they just have to put in more work to get a random hookup than women do. It’s not far removed from my reality. I know that men have to put in way more work to get casual sex than women do. However I think the gap in number of partners is a bit over exaggerated. Even when you take into consideration women lying down and men lying up on reports of number of causal sex partners. There’s still the fact that women, even the ones who engage in causal sex …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 11:26 PM
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?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 11:19 PM
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You can’t use both terms. One is an accurate descriptor the other isn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 11:19 PM
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Yes. I don’t think it’s a small minority. A small minority are having them frequently and consistently but average men can have a fwb or one night stand or two every so often. They have dry spells in between this and having a girlfriend though which above average men don’t really experience. However the only men that can never have casual sex ever are men who are below average socially and physically.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 01:37 AM
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Women shame those men because they are internalize the statements and feeling personally attacked. Sometimes it’s due to the mans phrasing and word choice. Other times it’s their own regret which is no ones problem but that particular woman. Essentially they’re shaming the men for “shaming them”. They don’t actually want those men though and would turn those men down if approached by one.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 01:02 AM
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I know several but they’re almost all current or former fuckboys/Casanova’s/players etc. a couple of the younger ones I know will joke around saying “the streets” got lonely or when they met their current partner she made them feel being “for the streets”/being a hoe wasn’t worth it anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 01:00 AM
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The same incentive there is for women who put in emotional, romantic and sometimes financial effort doing the baloney dare stuff to get commitment from a man have vs women who were just hot that you casually sleep with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 12:45 AM
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Dieting like she’s referring to isn’t healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 12:42 AM
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Those men put in the effort to be attractive enough to do that. Plus for some they have to work at initially seducing a woman and getting her to go along with being a booty call that will respond to a wyd text.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 12:41 AM
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How are women punishing men by not sleeping with them??
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 12:40 AM
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Men have thought like this since the dawn of time and men hold this same view in countries where the women are more chaste so this excuse is complete bs.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 12:38 AM
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Still doesn’t make it a reward.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 12:32 AM
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The second type isn’t purely transactional. Ideally most women want both in the same man. Some women will wait if they don’t know where the man stands to mitigate risk to themselves. However most modern western women don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 12:32 AM
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No offense but you need some more English lessons. It’s a confusing language so don’t fret but yeah. . . Reward: a thing given in recognition of one's service, effort, or achievement. Exchange: an act of giving one thing and receiving another (especially of the same type or value) in return. Exchange is a more accurate term to use when describing women deciding to have sex with a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 12:30 AM
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So when you go to Walmart and buy chips are you rewarding Walmart with your money?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 12:27 AM
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It does and doesn’t make sense to me because even men who can get casual sex with ease think that way about women having casual sex and that’s what baffles me personally. It confuses me because they don’t view the women they casually sleep with as getting a “better deal” than the women they have committed relationships with. They view their casual sexual encounters as something to just sate their horniness while they’re single. Men also make the argument that it’s because women expect more from …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 12:22 AM
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That’s kinda the point I was trying to make. If it’s a flattering change men will notice. They won’t be able to go in depth and tell if a woman’s hair is a Balayage or traditional highlights like most women would. But they notice that you’ve gotten prettier and they notice what area the improvement was made in.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 06:30 AM
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And men, they don’t care about the process or the intricate details but they enjoy it and appreciate it if it’s eye catching and flattering.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 02:27 AM
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Not even. What sexual function do mani-pedis(with color or design) serve, or well styled hair? None, it just boosts a woman’s attractiveness and men in general appreciate that but not in the same way a woman or a man with an eye for style would.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 02:17 AM
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Yes, maybe not publicly but in the home definitely.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 01:46 AM
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It’s a mix of grooming and traits. Women spend more money and time on grooming and beauty than men. There’a an ideal for each gender and the closer you are to it the more attractive you are as you probably know. Also men and woman can have overlapping physical features. A lot of these features add to a woman’s attractiveness but detract from a mans which is a part of the issue as well. The standards that make men vs women attractive are nearly completely opposite. So a slim wrist, thickness/ a l…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 01:43 AM
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Gay men see men similarly to how women do it’s just that they have male sex drives. Look at which of their hookups they’d be willing to be seen in public with and you see a fuller picture. They don’t have to find a man attractive to fuck him. A hole is a hole to a horny man. They’ll make do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 01:31 AM
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They’re making the argument to show that gay men probably don’t actually find as many men genuinely attractive as you think. Large swathes of men are probably the “raw chicken” or “park bench”. Since those men are human and not inanimate objects though, they have to exhibit a certain level of flattery and care to get those men to help them sexually release. Men don’t have to find you attractive to find you fuckable.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 01:29 AM
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So hypergamy is a good thing then?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 01:25 AM
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Men definitely do care it’s just that they only care about the results while other women care about the results and process.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 01:24 AM
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I don’t think that’s the reason. East Asian countries have their own thriving media that drives cultural norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 01:20 AM
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It depends on what country you’re talking about specifically. South Koreans are more affectionate than Chinese. However I can’t speak for East Asians since I’m not East Asian but I’ve met a few who view their own cultures as dsyfunctional, who view their parents as cold and they’ve expressed that when they have families they’ll do things differently, they’ll adopt a more western way at least when it comes to showing kids physical affection and verbally expressing positive things about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 12:33 AM
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How often does someone hug you or tell you they appreciate you. And yeah I have two super close best friends and countless acquaintances. And I’m also close with my family and siblings. I love baking, bike riding, going on drives and watching anime. Sometimes I do these things with other people. I’m very passionate about baking. Covid has a lot of people feeling lonely because you can’t go out and do as much. You might feel less lonely after things go back to normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 02:31 AM
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Do you have a lot of close friends and family you can be affectionate with? Do you have a lot of things you’re passionate about?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 02:21 AM
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It may not have been grooming but touch is necessary during childhood development years and there’s adverse effects if children don’t get it and primitive humans definitely provided that for children. The way mothers would carry children fulfilled these needs. Then for adults, you won’t die if you’re not touched but touch deprivation can have adverse affects on your mental and physical health. Look more into it if you’d like.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 02:21 AM
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The jokes really write themselves with some people. Please sit down and think about what you just typed. So touch starvation is fake yet you suggest that it can be remedied by medicating people or giving them solutions outside of human touch. Yet it’s not real? That’s like saying adhd isn’t real yet being a strong supporter of prescribing Ritalin or adderall.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 02:07 AM
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That method is good for people who can emotionally disassociate from sex but I’m not that type so I’m not going to play with fire lol. Sex means different things to different people though so imo it’s best if everyone does what works for them and date likeminded people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 01:58 AM
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So do you think depression, anxiety, bpd, schizophrenia etc are all made up ailments too? Because the same science and methods used to prove the validity of those ailments are used to prove the existence of touch starvation as well. Your experience is made up and you’re propagating BS. Also it’s not universal because I don’t live that life. I have lots of friends and close family and am not lonely so loneliness doesn’t exist. It’s just made up in your head. You have friends, family, women, verba…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 01:53 AM
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Because of touch starvation. Being deprived of touch makes certain types of people feel rejected, isolated, unloved. Which spirals into depression if their situation isn’t remedied. You are not the world. Your experiences aren’t universal. I can deal with temperatures that would make most people pass out so that must mean heat stroke and heat exhaustion are made up ailments right? I can eat peanuts and be fine so peanuts allergies are fake right? You see how your logic doesn’t make sense? Just b…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 01:38 AM
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And many others spiral into depression. It’s not made up. As I said it’s just not universally experienced. Many people go into 100 degree Fahrenheit weather and are perfectly comfortable, others get heat exhaustion. Some people can tolerate below freezing temperatures others will get cold weather injuries. Some people can drink milk and be fine others will shit their brains out. People react to things differently. Just because some people aren’t affected doesn’t mean the ailment is “made up”
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 01:31 AM
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