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Yea I feel exactly the same about dat ass
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:13 AM
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They’re probably not as interesting or as attractive as they think. There have been objectively hot women who turn me off the more I’ve interacted with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 07:31 PM
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The only reason is because she’s hooking up with someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 07:26 PM
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I guess career and fashion/style are overvalued by women. There is definitely a baseline level for it but after that it’s significantly diminishing returns. Someone who makes 80k in a low stress job can and often is, more attractive than a woman making double that. Same with clothing and makeup, there’s a baseline but there are so many women who take it really far and it just does nothing for me. I don’t know if they think it’s less important but possibly out of laziness less women focus on phys…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 10:49 PM
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I think there are far more of us than you probably think. If Reddit was an accurate representation of people in real life, we would know far more gamers,poly people and nerds.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 03:47 AM
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He’s really not the exception. In fact I would say all of the men I know that hold rp beliefs in real life share his same perspective. I definitely lean that way and totally acknowledge that men can be bad people.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 01:27 AM
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Sure but it will still definitely be easier than how it was before that first relationship. I think if it’s after gf number 4 or something he probably won’t learn as much but if it’s his first gf and his age then he definitely learned a lot. Anecdotally I was in his same situation 2 years ago and the experiences I have had since my ex would be unimaginable to the younger me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/21 08:05 AM
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Very well said. I think many men waste time staying with people because they’re ashamed to do what is necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/21 07:21 AM
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Guys learn a lot about women from their first relationship. Things may not be easy for him single but 100% it will go much better than how it went before this gf.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/21 07:19 AM
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I was in the same shoes as this guy and, yes, 100% getting someone is easier for me after that first relationship. I wish I had one long before because it taught me so much about the opposite sex. You’re right that he may find things hard but not definitely not harder than before this relationship. Most guys are clueless about shit until they get a gf, it’s very likely he is one of those.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/21 07:16 AM
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I also play co-Ed soccer and I just notice that the married dudes are way more flirtatious. The single guys are less forward and I’m almost sure it’s due to them not being that “creep”. The married men dgaf since they have a wife so they are less “threatening” when they flirt.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 06:33 AM
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This is so true. The power couple ideal doesn’t really exist in most men’s minds. We want a friend and someone to have our back but that’s about where it ends.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 09:56 PM
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This takes a lot of self reflection so good on you. This is what I see with regularity in the late 20’s to 30’s demographic of women in my HCOL city. As you know, men don’t value income and career/status the same way as women do although many of us have respect for that. Men who actually follow the redpill principles and improve themselves will notice the same thing, the women they get are not up to par per say. Before improving, those same women could have been highly sought after but after wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 09:28 PM
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I don’t think that’s it. Most men want someone who is obsessed/attracted to them, not someone who is seeing them out of pity. It’s why men in their 30’s are suspicious of the intentions of the women their age that they date; is she settling because she wants to hurry and start a family or does she actually desire me? I think if you’ve had a diverse male friend group, you would see that a few of us do significantly better on OLD. The point is not to necessarily make different choices, but to clea…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 03:06 PM
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Yes, attraction does happen outside of those feelings and that’s what I believe his opinion is. Attraction does make people want sex but it doesn’t mean they’ll necessarily get maximum enjoyment from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 08:53 PM
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You’re describing safety and vulnerability as if they are related to lust but their not. For maximum enjoyment, what you said is correct but OP is describing desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 07:53 PM
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Me haha
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 04:09 AM
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It’s more so the idea that women are somehow the more moral sex with a broader capacity to love. I always had this thought even though I knew it wasn’t true for every case. Women don’t fall in love any faster than men, something else that I thought was true. Men falsely assume that they can be object of her affection in the way the Prince Charming is in her romance novel. The love isn’t conditional or based on some characteristic. I think as you get older and gain more experience you see how tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 05:59 AM
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I am. Yea I made it clear that we didn’t have a long term future but she still wanted to pursue our thing. It was very clear she wanted to spend time with me romantically.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 08:40 AM
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It doesn’t have to mean sex at all. For example, the recent woman I dated was literally a Christian virgin and she made it known that she didn’t want to have sex before marriage. We did other stuff but she just communicated that she wanted to be with me, both verbally and physically without sex. I’m far wealthier than she is, paid for all the dates and took her to places she’s never been. I was very comfortable doing all that because I knew she wasn’t using me, she was clearly excited to be with…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 03:30 AM
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You said it much better than I could but we have the same background/experiences and I’ve come to the same conclusion. It’s important to make that distinction between deliberate intent.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 05:09 AM
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I wonder if it’s something women are cognizant of. Like if there was a decision made at some point in their life or if life made the decision for them. I’ve been aware of this phenomenon relatively recently and I notice myself trying to figure out how the couples I meet view each other. One can assume that many of the dead bedroom situations could have been avoided by proper introspection before marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 10:30 PM
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If this was a public school I would agree but it’s a private catholic school. If other parents are uncomfortable with it, the school is well within their rights to severe the relationship with the problematic family. I guess the school could have stipulated that she wasn’t to be allowed on campus and couldn’t use school clothing in her business. If she was using school attire and referring to her kids friends in her videos, that by itself is reason for expulsion. If a parents child is friends wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 08:45 PM
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Apparently she wears the school uniform and talks about getting her kids friends off so yea...imagine if this was a dude saying all this stuff. Ultimately if all the parents are fine with it, whatever. They are obviously not so she needs to go. The majority shouldn’t have to concede to a single persons indiscretions. If no school decides to accept her children, then it is a problem because they have a right to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/21 01:01 AM
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Completely agree. I came to the same conclusion and the Disney bit totally resonated with me. I didn’t realize redpill was seen so negatively by women (I figured it would improve the potential stock so it would be seemed positively) but after seeing some the outlandish bits on ppd, I understand. Those comments don’t even register with me because I figure it’s coming from a teen or a uniquely spurned man but I can see how the comments trigger strong feelings in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 02:23 AM
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What is it men in women do require? The lineaments of Gratified Desire. What is it women do in men require? The lineaments of Gratified Desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 04:58 PM
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Most of the men I know who have an abundant dating life are red pilled. Some use the lingo others don’t but they all have the same inclinations. Many of them are currently in or have been in loving long-term relationships (including myself). People are variable but certain characteristics generally work for attraction. The problem is that the comments go overboard with misogyny and weird pseudo science/apocalyptic narratives but the men saying these things are not the normal red-pilled individua…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/21 11:05 PM
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It doesn’t necessarily go away after the first date. I remember an incident while camping with my ex after at least a year of dating. She joked in the way that “you’re not gonna kill me right?” which was obviously making light of the situation but the fact that those thoughts even came across her mind was really enlightening. She knew me pretty well at that point and there was definitely a level of comfort between us, but that didn’t mean there wasn’t some sense of fear.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/21 10:14 PM
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This is the better answer. You create the uncertainty that people crave while not falling off the slope of moral ambiguity.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/21 05:22 AM
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Men are generally analytically driven so that would make sense. I have seem the feminist agenda backed by data at times but overall you could say it’s the male language for deduction. The problem with data is that it can be manipulated and cherry picked. My rules are; Is this a relatively common observation in my life 2. Is the information robust in terms of sample size and parameters. If both of these criteria are met I cautiously accept the conclusions. Cautiously because a healthy dose of ske…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/21 04:06 AM
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There’s way too much of the blame game and finger pointing. There are definitely privileges that each sex enjoys but there is also a great amount of suffering on both sides. It’s hard to know what theory every poster identifies as but I’ve always perceived red pill as in “the reality without judgement”. Its just what “is” no matter how bitter “it” may taste.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/21 03:48 AM
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Building muscle is easier for men than women but it’s still an expensive proposition for the body. Men also intake more calories to sustain the newly gained muscle mass. For both men and women the easiest way to lose weight is diet, not exercise. Combining with exercise would be more efficient.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/21 05:59 AM
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I agree that the “nice-guy” is subject to interpretation. It can mean something different depending on who you ask. Before Reddit I thought the nice guy was a Tim Tebow, Rob Lowe from parks or a Steve Cook type of individual. I found that it means someone entirely different. Those above individuals are all high integrity, strong moral compass and hard working individuals. These type of men can definitely attract quality women for LTR but I find that they don’t evoke as much emotion as the brash,…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/21 05:26 AM
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Yea I definitely agree with the first part. I think if the sexual compatibility is there that then the other factors of interpersonal relations take priority. There are important things in life outside of relationships. The factor of relationships talked about most here is sex, which is quite honestly a waste of time. Finding someone that works is nice because you can focus on the productive things. I sort of envy guys who found that early on as I can see how completing that need allows one to f…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 07:48 PM
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Yea I came to the same determination. Red pill is definitely right about the general picture but having sex with different people isn’t everyone’s end goal. When I was a virgin I placed far more importance to it but after you’ve had some experience it changes the perspective a bit. What you truly want is usually far deeper but unfortunately it takes some post-nut clarity to see through the fog.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 05:51 AM
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“Modern problems require modern solutions” - Dave Chapelle
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 08:05 AM
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I haven’t seen it much on this sub but perhaps it because it works for a lot of people. If you lift, you’ll notice more energy/drive in 2-3 weeks. It might be a placebo thing but controlling any urge increases self confidence, it’s a form of self control. Not being a slave to biological whims improves self perception. With dieting it’s similar, you’re preventing your biological drive to eat even though the bodies hormones are driving your appetite. Simply relinquishing cognitive control to hormo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 01:16 AM
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Meditation and semen retention.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 06:23 PM
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I would, particularly for academic reasons. I feel like I was always distracted by the attractive women around me. I know this hindered my academic potential, but that can also be blamed on a lack of mental self control which I have only now developed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 06:16 PM
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The whole momma’s boy characteristic has actually worked in my favor directly twice. With one of the girls, she told me very early on how my relationship with my mom made me more attractive to her. This was after her observations of my interactions. I’ve seen this occur with other guys as well. If a women had a bad experience with a mommas boy, she’ll likely consider that a red flag in the future. That doesn’t mean at one point she didn’t find that behavior attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 05:55 PM
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I think the alcoholism and lower economic stability is the bigger factor there, but as a history buff I appreciate any mention of the great Khan.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 04:03 AM
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You could say that about almost any characteristic but if most people define it one way you have your answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 11:25 PM
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Or they do cocaine lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 11:19 PM
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There’s been multiple examples here and it’s basically you saying “oh that’s not an asshole” which is fair. Your definition of asshole can be different. Most of these guys feel like they’re are being assholes and most women do too if their the ones literally calling them assholes. Your definition of asshole is correct while theirs is wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 11:17 PM
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It might also be due to you being away from home. Something about being in a new place can make people behave more extroverted than at home.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 09:48 PM
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It should be mentioned because it’s just as impactful as the other factors that get more exposure on here. It’s something that affects both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 09:44 PM
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I saw that same post and came to your realization. I just assumed attractive women would get hit on constantly but that’s not really true. I have the same success as most dudes on OLD, (not much) but I’ve noticed the quality of women irl is much greater than on OLD. I’ve only been single during the pandemic but approaching irl I’ve actually flipped the script. The few women I’ve met were all young and attractive; objectively more attractive than I. It makes me smile wondering what dudes were thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 08:11 PM
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I’m a dude and I experience this. It’s honestly crazy how impactful geography is to the quality of the people attracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 07:38 PM
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There isn’t a one size fits all of course but more so general trends. Browsing some of the dating subs will red pill you fairly quickly if real life dating hasn’t already. I think if you took out the misogynistic elements a large portion of women would actually agree with red pill ideology. A common mishap on ppd is that men are often speaking from the dating perspective while women are coming from the place of an already established relationship. Any man whose been in a relationship long enough…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 04:52 AM
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Not all experienced women are confident, educated, feminine etc. and it doesn’t really matter what people “deserve”.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/20 06:53 PM
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For some people that disparity creates a bit of resentment. Not saying it’s the case with you but just in general. There are also men who are emotionally weak and inexperienced so they’ll stay with someone that they’re not sure about because it’s better than nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/20 05:45 PM
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It’s only really an issue if he doesn’t have the same level of experience as you had. You know that he is a gem but he can’t know if you are unless he’s also had those experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/20 05:32 PM
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People don’t necessarily know that their not normal or well adjusted. I don’t see it blaming anything in fact it’s the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/20 06:29 AM
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That was a really cool typecast in your comment. It would be an interesting post on its own if you decide to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/20 05:36 AM
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There are instances of virtue signaling but overall it’s less about what women say and more about a man’s perspective. It’s culturally ingrained in men that women are the hopeless romantics while men use and abuse. During the college years that whole notion gets questioned when you see how women can be just as deviant as men. I think this is a big part of the attraction to trp. A realistic understanding that the two sex’s are not that different from each other and they both want the best. The id…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 03:12 AM
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I’m a dude and what she’s saying is true. The part she leaves out is these guys can easily get a ltr with other women if they wanted to. If your deemed ok for casual by a woman, you likely have a large pool of options to choose from.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 12:18 AM
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I actually find it very easy to discern a woman’s type. If you look at a list of my ex’s previous partners they all had certain similarities. With my girl-friends I notice a similar trend. For guys it’s just much more broad.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 12:03 AM
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Which is why there’s no moral hierarchy. Neither sex is morally superior to the other, everyone is trying to get the best deal possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 11:59 PM
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That’s true but someone can also really appreciate a nice body. If she’s grabbing/touching all your muscles and feeling up your bicep vein while your intimate, that’s a good sign she really likes what your physically bringing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 11:46 PM
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This is very true. Ask any dude that works out long enough and he’ll tell you it’s mostly other dudes that are complementing and admiring his physique. Women will check you out for sure but it’s not high in the priority for most of them. If she’s already into you and you’re super fit, expect a lot of fireworks because then it’s a big bonus.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 09:46 PM
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Don’t conflate the “chase” with desire for a particular individual. The ones who enjoy the chase are not satisfied after catching their target. You don’t take a hunting dog for a single hunt and then lock him in a kennel for the rest of his life.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 08:12 AM
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I think I used to say this but I did none of the things you mentioned above. I actually think a lot of men go the route of pursue, rejection then complete cut-off from the person. Basically the mentality was that if you are not a romantic candidate you provide no utility in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 05:02 PM
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This is spot on. I had the same experience after my ltr. I think being with someone so long also helps you relate to the opposite sex in a way that wasn’t possible before. I wouldn’t blame guys who don’t see it this way because for most of my life I was the same. There are guys who befriend with romantic motives but very often it’s guys who pursue romantically but scoff at the notion of “let’s be friends”. I was definitely the latter but now I think there’s value in platonic female companionship…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 04:45 PM
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You're coming from a place of scarcity, what your saying is a more common event for the younger demographic. After college, those close social groups mean nothing. Your reputation isn't important its what you provide at the moment. For guys in clubs or frats at Uni, having a positive reputation enhances their social proof tremendously. I can't emphasis how much that stuff falls off a cliff after school. Social proofing at the workplace is a different dynamic. Men and women who were icons of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 03:30 AM
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Really insightful comments, thanks for sharing!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 07:44 AM
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What do you mean by desire? Purely getting off? Its pretty apparent that most women don’t get off in those casual encounters and we’ve heard the complaints about lazy/selfish lovers. Really, I would give the same advice that I give sexless dudes. If your looking for just the carnal pleasure the less desirables of the opposite sex will likely be the most selfless and giving in terms of your needs. If it’s about validation/pride/ego, (all of things which men suffer from in this realm as well) then…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 09:00 PM
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This thread was thought provoking. You should make a post about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 06:59 PM
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I think this is the best answer. I also question how long this waiting is. If we are talking months of dating...there’s nothing to build on. If it’s only a few dates she could very well have the same raw attraction as the ONS guy. It could just be a matter of environmental differences at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 06:47 PM
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She could definitely be enhanced, that’s my point. Your examples are freakshows while this one is at least anchored to reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 02:28 AM
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There must be a lot of rappers nowadays? In all seriousness, your examples are a fringe fetish far from the male ideal. If your saying that there are unrealistic beauty standards that’s one thing, but these...people are not the epitome of that standard. Many of my male friends follow this model: https://www.instagram.com/emrata/ I don’t know anyone who follows those other types of women. I suspect in certain parts of the world they may be more attractive than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 02:14 AM
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By who rappers? They look like their from another planet. You can also buy followers now so I wouldn’t put too much credence into that. I’m not saying women don’t have pressure for unrealistic beauty standards but your examples are not that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 01:58 AM
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I think this is true but what the original poster said is more accurate. Athletic bodies are looked at far more favorably than just skinny. Of course anything is preferable over overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 01:08 AM
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I think the vast majority of men on here suffer from average dating problems. There are definitely outliers (and loud probably teenage ones) but most of the gripes that men talk about are what I see irl. Looking through social media I get a daily intake of memes portraying the same issues that are talked about ad nauseam (beta/simps, chads, bad boys, height, OLD) here. There are certain concerns that are amplified with each subset population. The problems women speak of here are true irl as well…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 01:01 AM
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How he treats you will definitely be the best indicator. Contrary to the popular opinion, not all chads are assholes. Some of my friends who are selfish lovers are actually great guys to be around. They treat everyone really well they just care about their needs more than others. From my perspective, it’s women competing with each other to please these top tier guys. I still believe if women just want pure pleasure, the less desirable guys are the way to go but the concern would be if they’re su…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 08:46 PM
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Yea I can see it being tricky because guys can be sensitive to those things. I don’t think the less desirable men are statistically as likely to have sex, most of those experiences women have are with men that are desirable in some way (not necessarily looks). I’ve been both guys before, with someone I truly care about, their pleasure is more important than mine at times. I’ve also had the casual experience where it was primarily selfish. You have to realize the rate at which some guys go throug…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 08:11 PM
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Not disposable in terms of trash but rather not unique or significant in some way. Anyone who simply views human beings as objects will run into problems down the line. I didn’t bring up looks but it definitely plays a big part. Confidence, charisma and status can play a role as well. Individuals with traits that attract the majority of women are not all evil, they simply don’t care about pleasing everyone. There’s an abundance which allows natural selfish human tendencies. You see a similar sit…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 07:52 PM
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Yea and if he sees them as disposable because he has 10 others waiting for a call, he’s not going to invest in just the one. Men don’t care about someone just because they choose to sleep with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 05:07 PM
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That idea you touched on about sacrificing attraction for a relationship is so foreign to most men yet it sort of makes sense how it would be something that women would consider.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 01:47 AM
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Not for them. You’re assuming people value the same thing as you
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 12:10 AM
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Why do you even think long term is the goal? We’re not talking about making friends here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 11:23 PM
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Yea it’s because those guys truly don’t care about their partner. Those instances women speak of are with men who don’t care and have a lot of other options. You can’t convince someone to care about your feelings or desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 09:03 PM
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I wouldn’t trust the data about those apps. Every single women I know, from sisters to friends, has had an OLD profile. Some of them had no intentions of meeting someone either. One thing I noticed was the general frustration and deletion of social media apps being more prevalent among women. My guy friends either have tinder/Instagram or don’t, there’s not a lot of back and forth.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 06:51 AM
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It’s usually good for guys but sometimes there’s a chemistry involved in that, you have it with some people but not with others. I don’t know if a guy can really know he’s ready for a relationship if he’s never been intimate with her like that though. I suspect a portion of the “pump and dumps” are attributed to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 08:47 PM
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That’s an interesting way to view things. For most men it’s the opposite, they can get detached to the personality after sex. I’ve had instances where I was very interested in someone but after sex I just didn’t feel the same. When the man is attracted to her personality and the sex is good, that’s when the relationship becomes serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 08:32 PM
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I had the same experience as you with the my ex. If the chemistry is strong, I can’t see waiting more than 3-4 dates. I get that some people are more traditional but if that’s not the case, waiting can be a sign of lack of chemistry/attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 08:08 PM
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This is great advice. Focusing on the variables in your control while ignoring the rest. This applies to almost everything in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 08:02 PM
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From the female commenters it seems more like how sex is prioritized for each gender is different. Men prioritize sex both in the casual sense and in a relationship. Some of the women commenters said that only once there was relationship compatibility, that then they would have sex. In other words, not many men would be willing to sacrifice great sexual chemistry for a great relationship. One cannot come before the other. I also suspect a lot of the ghosting “pump and dumps” are related to that …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 07:42 PM
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I appreciate the European perspective. To a degree, the same thing is seen here except it’s typically only with wealthy individuals. America is far more variable than any one country in Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 02:59 AM
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Yeah I agreed with everything until you got to the part about highly indiscriminate women. The instances where that sort of thing happens is primarily environmentally motivated, a break up for example. Even then, it’s disingenuous to say “indiscriminate” relative to male indiscrimination as that can be far more reckless.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 11:33 PM
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Cold (chilled) approach. That was good!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 07:21 AM
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Europe is so variable though. What you said is very true for a country like Latvia for example. I think you can break it up into Eastern, southern, central and Scandinavian blocs. The continent is not this cohesive system progressing (or regressing) at the same rate. I disagree with the apocalyptic perspective but I also don’t think extrapolating current trends, and comparisons to Japan, are out of the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 03:00 AM
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This isn’t really something new, people love to speculate and apocalyptic visions of the future are sexy. Look at the Mayan 2012 phenomenon, Y2K or prediction of flying cars. Certain personalities are attracted to visionaries like Nostradamus and Rasputin. I agree that it’s pointless to speculate, but projecting the near future to what is modern day japan seems logical. They were far ahead of the rest of the world in terms of technological implementation into their daily lives so it makes sense …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 07:33 PM
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At this point I disagree. If a women is on the fence about you it’s not really a recipe for a successful relationship. Wining and Dining will not make you a more attractive partner. I’m of the belief that if a mans looks/personality package is not considerably attractive to a woman then the potential for that relationship is very limited. In a ltr relationship I think it’s a great idea to take your girl out occasionally to keep things fresh.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 02:48 AM
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I’ve never heard about this? I do know girls hated how aggressive Italians were during trips. I know during October fest, the locals of Munich sort of detested all the Italians guys coming down to party and hit on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 02:35 AM
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Part of that is there are not a lot of guys that women can connect with in that way. The other part is that those few guys have a lot of options so there’s no incentive to wine and dine all of them. The good looking guy with a decent personality is not lacking in prospects. In this sense the dating market is a bit like commodities, specifically petroleum. OPEC is a conglomerate of countries that sell at a fixed price. Wining and dining is analogous to that cost but other women/countries can unde…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 01:55 AM
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This is not that common ime. I have my own antidotes of really successful wealthy guys being turned down because there was no “spark” or chemistry. These are guys who dined them at expensive wineries for dates but that’s not really an effective strategy anymore. Some of these women are friends or friends of a friend and I know who they actually hook up with, it’s not rich Mr. wine and Dine. I don’t doubt that there are some that prefer this courtship, but I think the 20-30s generation of women a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 12:47 AM
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There was another post today about how women who orgasm with their partner feel a stronger bond. They called it “dickmitized” I believe. This has definitely been my experience and it was corroborated by a lot of women on that forum
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 04:10 AM
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I don’t think that’s the solution. It’s more about shift in perspective. When you grew up in a predominantly female household, you tend empathize with women’s struggles. Personally, I have seen family and friends go through a lot of emotional turmoil in my youth and that shaped my dating perception. I think this is why men with single mothers have a harder time dating. As a man, you take it upon yourself to not be like those guys- the ones that hurt the women in your life. This is a flawed menta…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 11:10 PM
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I’ve noticed the same thing with my educated female relatives. To piggy back, men not only value education less but even the ones that do prioritize that are likely far more critical. The dating dynamic changes a bit in this subset because these men are picking from a larger pool of women and have less competition with their peers. TLDR: we should all maximize education
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 08:50 PM
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This is fair. I don't feel sympathy for my niceguy friends who can't get dates with attractive women and I also shouldn't feel sympathy for a woman who gets rejected for a serious relationships with men objectively "better" than her.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 08:40 PM
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I definitely agree with what u/death_by_1000_cats and you are saying here. Giving a woman orgasm's seems to bond her to you unlike anything else. For men, we are not really like this. After an orgasm, we actually start to take inventory of the relationship without the sexual element. We start to look at the relationship logically without the emotional elements. Its as if the brain fog or lust goggles come off for men after coming but for women, that's when they put them on. Men who don't put in …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 08:02 PM
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I can see what you mean. I think it’s a bit of a spectrum though. For me normal female behavior to fill that need for validation would be dressing up and going out. I think the only fans stuff is just too far down that rabbit hole and it might be indicative of greater problems
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 06:43 AM
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There’s likely a balance between that and banging 150 different people to write a thesis on sex
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 11:41 PM
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I guess it’s not for everyone. It made a huge difference for me particularly in sports.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 10:50 PM
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Do you mean men in general or are you referring to men in the context of a relationship? I didn’t watch very much porn when in a relationship because all of my sexual desires were fulfilled. I would think a healthy woman would achieve the same level of fulfillment through my affirmations.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 10:44 PM
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Yea I don’t think watching porn is healthy and although I’ve never experienced this (my gfs didn’t seem to care) I can see how it would make them feel insecure. I don’t think validation/attention seeking is healthy for women either. I get the need to feel desired/sexy/validated for women but it’s a bit of a spectrum with only fans and stripping on the far end. For example, I would let my girl know how hot she looked and how people were checking her out when we’d go on fancy dates. I know this ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 10:30 PM
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To each his own. I know athletes that swear by it so I would suggest everyone at least give it a shot. I’ve found success with it so I’m sure other men can as well
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 09:30 PM
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“The law of diminishing returns”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 09:28 PM
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It helps to value the same things
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 09:22 PM
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Haha that’s the spirit
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 09:19 PM
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Useless skills for 300. Rip Alex
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 09:15 PM
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I don’t think porn is healthy so I don’t fit your description and can’t cmv. Regularly watching porn saps men of their masculine energy. Most high level athletes do not have sex or masturbate before competition for this reason. If you don’t believe me, do an experiment and see how your results differ. Semen retention is a powerful tool that men can use to improve their physique and their mental fortitude. The same applies to attracting women. When your body is not numbed from regular masturbatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 09:11 PM
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This actually says a lot. Between what you and Aeron have discussed and my own observations, it’s very apparent that men raised by single mothers are disproportionately affected. TRP is a form of education that these men would otherwise not discover if left to their own devices.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 08:48 PM
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I’ve had similar experiences growing up. I would say the attractive members of both genders know what they bring to the table. Anyone with family/friends who are significantly attractive can see the constant affirmations these people get. It’s a bit ambiguous for the rest of the population but I don’t think women are any more likely to know than men. Some women realize their “league” as they get older and you can clearer see this when you compare their partners over time. The opposite happens to…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/20 07:54 PM
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Yes I like this analogy. Some people have greater privileges (or traits) that makes “the game” easier than for others. It’s like the mage vs the swordsman, different skill sets for different people. This is true within each gender as well but this is more analogous with the difficulty setting on a game. Easy mode would be the chad while difficult would be the short bald fat guy. I’d imagine for women it would the insta hottie compared to an obese woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 02:39 AM
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Depends on the particular man. Some men have few privileges while other men have a plethora.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 09:31 PM
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I think I agree with that but I don’t know how much of that has to do with the differences in upbringing rather than fundamental biological differences (nature vs nurture).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 09:30 PM
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The primary dating mechanism for today’s youth is OLD. Everything is online now and this trend will only grow. Redpill does place importance on personality, I think it’s just black pill that doesn’t. Basically the equation for attraction is physical(z) + social/status(y)+x-variable +...etc. Z and Y are fixed variables that differ from person to person. Your z may be larger than mine, and I conversely may put more merit into social status/clout. There are other variables that some people hold in …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 09:26 PM
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I believe that everyone wants the best that they can get and that there are certain privileges that each gender enjoys. I don’t think men are any more moral than women. In fact I think they would act the same if given the opportunity. For me redpill is just removing this idea that women are so different than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 03:26 AM
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Probably more out of wedlock than back then, but also a lot of relationships. Everyone I’ve spoken too has told me that this pandemic has “awoken them” in the sense that their priorities are realigned. I think the gatherings next year look promising for any singles out there
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 11:42 PM
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Can only speak for myself and my social group. I predict flights costs to shoot up post pandemic. All large events, concerts, sports games will be absolutely wild. This is basically as close to a large scale war as we’ll likely ever get. Post conflict euphoria is real, hopefully people have fun and find some love.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 11:38 PM
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There’s going to be a huge baby boom in the next few years. There’s pent up demand in the market due to the pandemic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 08:00 PM
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I would if he’s a coworker or someone you share a strong interest with. The big thing would be insuring there’s no ambiguity in terms of a potential relationship. I don’t think men care to have a lot of female friends because often times their interests are not the same. Most of our male friends became close to us because we share some common interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 07:11 AM
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Most guys wouldn’t put up with being put “through the wringer”. Guys who stick with someone like that are low confidence/insecure so they’re already not someone that an attractive woman would want. The bombshells with bad personality get fucked zoned more often than not. Tomi Lahren is a good example of this. Men are far more critical of their partners when screening for relationships vs just sex. One week of sex with the crazy bombshell will put things in perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 08:57 PM
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I’m the same. My ex had a very lively history before we met, but if I was insecure initially it was very brief. The envy thing was something that definitely grew. It basically seemed like if she ever wanted to try something with someone, it happened. I didn’t consider it a deal breaker or anything but it did show me how different/privileged some people’s experiences can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 12:17 AM
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It’s very dependent on geography. Most marriage-aged men are relatively happy with the dating options in nyc, the same is not true in sf. It could be as simple as gender ratio’s The other important point is that educated men are not solely looking to date educated women. There’s already a greater proportion of women with higher education than men, that population of men further decreases when they date/marry women who are less educated.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 09:33 PM
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This is geographically dependent. Coming from a very liberal area, this is super tough. People literally create large buffers when approaching and mumble hello before scrambling away. After visiting a more conservative area I found what you said to be spot on. Same approach, completely different response.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 07:40 AM
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I definitely agree with the first paragraph. The thing is, there’s not really much opportunity due to the pandemic. It definitely creates for a frustrating environment right now. Also with the way these apps work, they rank you according to an algorithm. During the beginning of the pandemic I would match with people but now it’s nothing. I think a lot of guys don’t realize how tricky these apps can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/20 07:58 AM
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Yep, I can’t disagree with any of that. The OP only brought up one side so I wanted to show how it spans both genders, albeit in a different form. Also as far as TRP’s stance on female nature, I feel that the only negativity is from societies narrative vs the reality. There should almost be a human red pill because the truth is both genders are far more similar to each other than what society would lead you to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/20 06:37 AM
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There’s peace in somebody not owing you something when you realize that you don’t owe anyone anything as well. I'd also add, why would you want to be with someone who wasn't crazy about you? That sounds so draining. The advice about valuing yourself applies to the woman who's in a relationship with someone whose just "meh" about her just as well as to the guy trying to hookup with the model. With OLD and social media being the primary dating mechanism of our generation, the folks with "mass appe…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 06:04 AM
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One form of entitlement is thinking actions can win someone over. Attraction and chemistry can often be felt one-way. For example, women who use the "nice-guy" playbook on men to try to entice them into an LTR when its clear from a spectator that he has no long-term aspirations. I'm not saying this from a spurned/jealous standpoint, some of these women have been family whom I care for. I'm sure everyone knows a woman who tried to win a guy over who was obviously not invested in her the same way.…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 05:42 AM
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It is a bit of that savior complex some women have. Does it really matter though? Their intentions are pure, great but it’s a bad decision. Repeated bad decisions are a sign of a problem with that individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 07:33 AM
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Persistence implies that it was but I can't speak to that specific example. I can definitely see the mixed messages though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/20 03:26 AM
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I don't think he really has an obsession for what age they're and he's not looking for a quick hookup more like just dating a bunch of different people. The recent women I dated had threesomes, sex in a baseball stadium, sex with semi-famous ppl or just different types of people. In general way more variety than what I experienced. I don't feel like it's necessary to do those things but I still recognize that I was never able to yet women have, does that make sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/20 03:23 AM
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This sounds an awful lot like the puppy chasing you referred to earlier. Could you see how that could be misconstrued?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 07:53 PM
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I've met her before as well...its weird. Sometimes they get along but a lot of times you can just feel things are..tense. I'm sure there are a lot of other things at play rather than just the number of partners. Also he's in his 50's, but still good looking/rich/dresses sharp so I don't think he will have trouble dating. In fact, his wife has been upset on occasion when other women were flirting with him. Yea its based off the experiences. I don't think he really cares that she did all that but …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 07:37 PM
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I can’t speak for the women’s perspective but I can say for at least some men, that prospect is a recipe for resentment. I have a golfing buddy. Mid 50’s, PhD former tech vp, married with kids. He’s in the former category you mentioned and somehow our conversations always end up with his regret of not messing around when he was younger. He had one gf before he got married with his current partner, she had far more experiences. That feeling doesn’t go away..I wouldn’t be surprised if they divorce…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 08:16 AM
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I think that's really the crux of the issue. You have many opportunities, as a woman but the same is not true for men. You have more women then men doing the CC in the younger years until people start to pair up and there are less men to pair with these girls. At a certain point, usually in the late 20's early 30's, these two distinct demo-graphs come to a head. If everyone had similar experiences then none of this would matter but there is a pronounced disparity in modern dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 05:58 AM
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The truth is, it depends when you ask her. The answer will be different. As a general perception, fuckboy's are one of those "hate to love them" things. I actually don't think men and women view them that differently, just replace love with respect from the male perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 05:48 AM
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The point is that with maturity comes the realisation that a committed partner is worth more than animal lust. Because animal lust always fades. Plus sex is usually better with their committed partner than the random person they felt animal lust with, because of practice. Maturity i.e. experience, which men don't get hence the disparity. You can't just say "take my word for it", this happens through experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 12:01 AM
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Yeah a good amount of people post way more often in my experience. If their attractive in any way, the posts shoot up exponentially. I’m also in your demographic plus a few years. I’m completely with you in that we need to take things as they are and just change what we can control.I think this is the attitude everyone must have. But I can acknowledge that a disparity exists in dating just as I can acknowledge racism exists, even though I haven’t had that experience. The dating market is very di…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 08:39 PM
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It’s very easy to see what’s going on here. I suggest people have frank conversations with men who regularly have sex with a lot of women. You know the common theme? Most of them don’t care about their partners pleasure. Some of my close friends don’t go down on women, they think it’s gross. They prefer BJ’s to sex. This corresponds to what a many women complain about. The answer is he doesn’t care for you much, most of these women are with guys above their league and with a lot of options. Any …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 08:24 PM
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You’re making an assumption that high n-count means not date worthy. This is false, even promiscuous women are date worthy, committing long term is the hang up. You’re right about them remaining low while their peers gain experience. This is a big problem and causes a large divide between the sex’s. It’s a fact that most women can have more sexual experiences then the majority of men so we are left with a disparity.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 08:13 PM
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I think you're underestimating the effects of social media and OLD but I do agree with your premise. There is certainly a privilege that exists in the dating market, which technology expanded. It was just a crack but now its become a vast chasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 12:09 AM
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I agree with this. The problem men would have is that they don't want to be the one settled for, just like any rational human being. TRP simply suggests being the one lusted after and hopefully you can find compatibility from that relationship. Being settled for is a recipe for disaster, the example you gave does not bode well for either party.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/20 11:48 PM
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The women on here have almost the opposite opinions of what's said irl. Women irl think kids are baggage but here its a positive...Best to take whats said here with a big grain of salt.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/20 10:08 PM
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Young men are gauging her attraction to them by how long it's taking him to be brave enough to ask her out, and that she must only be gaining deeper attraction during that time. He figures she must be going through the same thing. That's isn't really the case. Damn I needed to read this a few months ago lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 07:43 AM
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These are all trends..there are outliers and exceptions but these statements are as true as one can be in such a dynamic domain. Men being fickle after sex is somewhat of a shortcoming. Will the best sex at the moment cease the thought of even better sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 07:33 AM
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A share the same view to a T
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 12:44 AM
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This is so true. I haven't seen it written before but this has been my exact experience. Once there's sex, everything is fine and dandy but before that its like catching salmon with your feet.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 12:05 AM
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We are only considering our bubble so to speak. Nerds and weirdo's occupy social niche's. I don't see your point about social events and alcohol. TRP encourages socializing and going out. Personally, I don't like drinking but I will nurse something at the bar to fit in.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 05:09 PM
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This was kind of thought provoking. I think you're right to a degree. There's definitely a validation component and this might vary for different guys but the pure urge for sex is still the main derivative imo. I've had sex with women that weren't particular attractive to me just because I was really horny and that was all I could get. I can't say I feel good about that and I don't see where the validation comes from. In instances where there was a very attractive women that I lusted after, I ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 05:02 PM
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I feel like everyone has a duty to older people. I think I have a particular inclination to help middle-aged to older women. I’ve never been in a situation where a child was in need like that but I feel like anyone would feed a hungry child. I feel like a have a duty to my family. In fact it is probably the most import thing to me. Honor I don’t think so much, it may be a relict of a different age. I do respect men who have high integrity and morals though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 08:18 AM
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I can't imagine its any easier to tell a little boy. I think I got smacked about so I just learned to do it in private. The under the clothing thing is common for women I believe. I recall stories of pillows, couch corners and bed frames being humped from the women I've dated.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 05:52 AM
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The comments about fat girls trying harder must be the same story for ugly guys. That's a depressing thought but probably true I think its a thing though. When the dick size question comes up, women sometimes complain on that they don't prefer larger because those guy's don't try as much. If you think about it, you must be getting a lot of action to not care about your partners pleasure. Relationships/sex are viewed in a very different lens by different people.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 05:49 AM
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A lot of the times they’re with guys who don’t care that much. Of my friends who are most successful, two of them don’t even go down on their girls, they think it’s gross. Some guys don’t even like sex, they rather just get head. The really successful guys are also often lazy and they don’t feel a need to pleasure their partners like we do. It’s a totally different perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 02:05 AM
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Yeah, I don’t know if it’s the lockdown but your first paragraph was a “pleasant” read. Your experience reminds me of something I went through. I coached girls soccer ages 10-12, one girl would sometimes come up to talk to me as I was sitting down. She would just nonchalantly start rubbing herself on my knee as she was talking! I would try to avoid her as much as possible because I didn’t know how to have that conversation with her. The bored/anxious/stressed part I get as well. I remember durin…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 02:00 AM
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Yeah it’s very interesting isn’t it? The spectrum is so wide for them, we are very simple in comparison. Even the sensations they feel are multi-faceted from what I hear. They’re lovely creatures when at their best.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 01:52 AM
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They do all that as they get older. TRP calls it the epiphany phase and the wall. The thing is, they don't swing back to more "average men" for casual sex, they do it for commitment. There's two ways to see this. 1.) Hypothetically if the biological clock started ticking at 50, women would still have casual sex with a small proportion of men until 50. 2.) Women would have casual sex with the average before settling down close to 50. I think #1 is the more likely answer but Im sure there would be…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 11:56 PM
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I love PIV and prefer it to oral but I also know most women prefer oral bc men don't try to get them to orgasm during PIV. I just happen to have a body that is good w PIV, I can orgasm from penetration. I think a good male partner gets you off during foreplay so you are wet and into it and then if you orgasm again during sex its a bonus but at least everyone is having an orgasm. First paragraph was a hot read. Iv'e noticed boob play is either at the top of the list or does absolutely nothing. I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 11:50 PM
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The rules are different for men and women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 11:43 PM
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I know that I’m not typical, but most women are not turned off by virginity, per se. It’s common to be turned off by things that are correlated with inexperience but not inextricably linked, e.g., not being able to figure out where the clit is (this is something you can learn from an anatomy textbook, you don’t need to have any actual experience to be able to find this or to know that you should be stimulating this). Most women also prefer an assertive partner, and most inexperienced people eith…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 11:42 PM
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The girl I lost my virginity too still does not know that she was my first. I don't think I would have lost it if she knew at the time. I faked experience with all my partners, the recent ones all think I'm an F-boi but my N-count is in the single digits lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 11:37 PM
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This doesn't contradict my anecdotal evidence 🤔 I can't think of a single casual experience where I wasn't dating down per se. Even with the men is my life, casually, the majority were dating down. The instances where it was opposite, there was some extrinsic feature (off the top of my head: Dog, race fetish, she just broke up)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 11:34 PM
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I very much enjoy my relationships with my female co-workers and family. I guess I wish I had a few more unattractive female acquaintances. I like chatting with older women as we always have a good banter but not so much with the ladies my age. They seem to have their guard up. I suspect it is because they believe I will take it as an opportunity to hit on her. They're right.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 11:23 PM
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Yeah, I get guys being a bit jealous, maybe a bit frustrated. However, bleating on and on about how women devalue themselves for having sex when they know they'd have as much sex as their cocks could take if they had the chance is just completely nonsensical. Going on about how women that have sex are just being tricked/conned/pumped and dumped etc by men they actually want to marry (even though we apparently have all the power) is also ridiculous. They just have different experiences that I can…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 11:15 PM
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At 50 partners she’s still had far more relationships then the average male
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 10:35 PM
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Rule number 1: be attractive The same concept of why bad hot guys get sex. Women don’t like their traits but the hotness factor trumps everything. These rules are for normal looking people
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 10:31 PM
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Casual sex is a privilege not a choice. Women can partake but most men cannot. If it was a simple right of passage then it wouldn’t matter, the fact that their is a huge disparity causes the friction. Most women can enjoy casual sex very easily, the same is not true for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 10:27 PM
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Women typically have more experiences by 30 then men do because of the sexual market. This is a reason why N matters, to match with someone with similar experiences
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 10:21 PM
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The reason they want to fuck around is to become on par with the females they date. Because of the way the sexual market is, there are more women then men who have had these experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 10:18 PM
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The problem usually only arises when it’s two individuals with very different experiences. The avg man doesn’t have access to the “fun sex” while women do. If it was a matter of personal choice everyone would have similar experiences. For most guys 20 is way higher then their experience. I know a people that are married with different levels of experiences. One guy in his 50’s says his biggest regret is not having fun sex. Their is resentment from his end because she definitely had her fun while…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 10:14 PM
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Thanks for the response. Yea I don’t take it so personal anymore but rather it’s like when you find out the road your driving is a dead end, I just turn the other way. You hit the nail on the head about trying too hard or coming off desperate. That’s something I want to avoid while still taking the role of the pursuer. The bit about making the shy girl feel comfortable I think I do better then the communication, partly due to the fear of coming off desperate. This was all a good perspective to h…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 07:05 PM
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This is good advice. I did the opposite, went from big lifter body to ripped in the last few months. I’m looking to pick up more hobbies but the lack of sex this long is frustrating. I also have friends doing it (all through OLD) so I’m a bit left out at the moment
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 06:49 PM
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We disagree here. I’ve lived in the most liberal/progressive cities and the least, women don’t suddenly lower their threshold for casual sex. Certain guys will just get more of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 06:42 PM
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The same with me. Problem is, the only place is online now so there's really no options.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 06:22 AM
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like i said, the idea that “others must chase me” and “i am the prize” is a feminine mindset. according to gender roles: the man/masculine is the pursuer (the “chaser,” if you will), the woman/feminine is who’s being pursued. my opinion on that is never going to change. any man who adopts the mindset of the one being pursued is adopting a feminine mindset. Hey I've read all of your posts on this thread, really great stuff! Your thoughts came through very well and clear. As someone who also likes…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 06:21 AM
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Again... human rights are nothing more than popular ideas. What we consider or not a human rights changed before and will change again. Also what is popular today might not be popular tomorrow and vice versa. A "human right" is dynamic, not some set in stone commandment. Someone brought up the example of the Netherland's, which apparently does include sex as a basic human right. Human rights are variable.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 02:25 AM
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I think in the modern society it might be. If entering that phase was simply a matter of personal choice it would be easy
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 02:03 AM
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Well nothing said in this post is true. It's more like 80/50 IRL. Don't believe incel idiocy. None of them have ever tried to approach a woman in real life. They believe a woman's actions online are indicative of real life behavior, and it's hilarious Yea 100% agree about online vs irl. I would probably do the same if the roles were reversed but after how many bad experiences do you change what your doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 09:20 PM
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I'm not gonna date someone that puts my emotional or physical wellbeing at risk or that of hypothetical future children no matter how hot they are now that I'm 27. Never thought of the general competence thing but that makes sense. The bit about an emotional connection from the get go is very true. It's tough to do because looking back, all the times that it happened, typically it was environmentally induced. It's hard to cultivate that from thin air (whether your a man or women).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 04:03 AM
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Clean your room, bathroom, help with the chores around the house. It's not really complicated. I mean I like my manly men, but that doesn't have to conflict with what I said above at all, many men overthink it, "if I do this I look weak" blah blah blah, don't think like that, the second you stop thinking about what other people think, it will make you like 10x more attractive. Can't say I disagree with anything you said here but I will say I know a good amount of guys who do all the above and st…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 03:52 AM
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I guarantee you almost every single one of them thinks they are in this guys league. This is why I take every sob story about the mistreated girl with a huge grain of salt. We have zero empathy for our bum friend with high standards, why should women be any different?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 03:39 AM
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A lot of things are “natural” that people don’t act on. One can find out what they do and don’t like in the confines of a single relationship. “Trying” different people to find what type suits you is not attractive. To be fair there are guys that act that way as well and ideally they should match with women similar in this regard. The problem arises when two opposite minded people combine.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 02:47 AM
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Culturally this whole debate could be different. I'm assuming primarily North American or European dating dynamics where a compatible sense of humor is coveted.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 01:33 AM
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This probably contributes to their lower self esteem
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 01:27 AM
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TRP people call that the epiphany phase. From men's perspective, keeping the kids fed is not as desirable as being lusted after.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 01:20 AM
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Please tell me where men look for personality in women, personality itself not just how her sexuality unfolds. They don't care about her female friends, her hobbies or anything that he doesn't see as motherly role. Not to be rude towards men, but I am so sick about men being hypocritical. Personality for most men is - she cooks, she cleans, she is always sexually available, then after a year or two they say how boring she is or that they have nothing in common. Having a compatible sense of humor…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 01:11 AM
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Exactly, and this is all for the average women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 01:05 AM
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You just described Pareto's principle. If 80% of men are unattractive to women then only 20% are attractive to the avg female. So half of women are fighting for 20% of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 11:10 PM
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The average woman is no better than the average man. Average men and women are both slightly fat and lazy. The difference is average women can get attention from above avg men (lower standards for sex) so this inflates their own self perception. Going through my insta friends list today and there are some seemingly 9/10's. The thing is I know these people in person, their actually like 6's and 7's but filter and pose in angles that make them look totally different. The superficial beauty standar…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 10:55 PM
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Shifting average would mean the entire demo-graph made the change, we are only talking about one individual in that set (men)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 10:34 PM
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If you're talking about the average dude, doing all that is great, but the result is not a 10/10 bombshell. People should all work on themselves but average is called average for a reason. The average woman is not particularly amazing so why should the avg guy be? If someones does the above like you mentioned, and he becomes better than average, he should theoretically attract the same right? Otherwise we have a differential between the two
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 10:31 PM
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You're describing someone who becomes above avg. The bar for the man would become higher at that point. People do all these things to better themselves, regardless of women. Becoming above avg to be ok with avg is lowering the bar from the mans perspective. The reality is avg people of both sexes are the same. The only difference is avg women can sometimes attract above avg men, the opposite is less common.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 10:17 PM
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Family. Their relationship with their family and the general dynamic between everyone. This is a pretty good indicator of the potential future you both have in store.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 08:31 PM
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Yea that doesn’t last. You can temporarily increase your look but what happens when you forget to put on make up in the morning? Or one can slam some on in the am before he wakes up lol...maybe he won’t realize until it’s too late
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 06:25 PM
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Women say they have low standards because the guys they date don’t care for them as much as they do. It’s a tough pill to swallow but a lot of times their dating guys out of their league. When you hear/read about these guys treating women as disposable, not even caring if their sexually satisfied, it can be perplexing. Those guys have a ton of options, many times better in some way then her so they are not as invested. We don’t feel bad for our bum friend who thinks he deserves the 10/10 bombshe…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 06:04 PM
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What rating is the threshold for a postable pic?
/r/seduction15/11/20 08:05 AM
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This was a brilliant post. The bit about women not being evil in their intentions but rather it’s their ignorance, was spot on imo. People just want the best they can get, men and women. For men it’s a tough pill to swallow when your being “settled” for. I think it’s more worthwhile to pursue those who aren’t settling for you even if theres a cost to that
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/20 10:27 PM
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If you have the money but not the looks, all you need to do as a man, is to offshore your private life. Physically move to SE Asia, Central Asia, Central America, and so on. As a financially successful man, I am not the hunter here. Seriously, I feel like prey. These women can't leave me alone! I disagree. In terms of the B category it is actually the opposite of what I see. Far too many men place importance on B when women are more similar to men then they think. My guy friends that are perfect…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/20 07:22 PM
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Like you said both sides really just have different problems when it comes to dating. Women can get a more physically attractive partner on OLD but those statistically fewer man obviously have more options so women can get burned. Men are more limited in their capabilities so when they do match up, sometimes the fit isn't right, but something can be better than nothing so they stay longer than they should. The truth is everyone wants a partner that offers them the most. Looks, quality of life, l…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/20 07:47 AM
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I think you just summarized the whole "debate" here I'd also add that personality is part of that formula.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/20 06:32 PM
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The guy didn't determine he was great, other women did. You're dating value is determined by the population of the opposite sex. What the majority of women think about him is his smv/rmv. It doesn't work that way for guys. Casual sex is dating down, a long-term relationship is typically equal or the opposite (the women has greater overall traits). Guys sex threshold is low but their relationship threshold is high. The opposite is true for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/20 05:34 AM
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That's your personal take but a lot of girls are totally fine with these encounters. The girls have an interest because the guy is endearing, personable and a genuine good time to be around. The physical aspect is a cherry on top, they brag to their friends about the hot guy they spent their day with. Its definitely not for everyone and it sounds like you don't partake in those encounters. To avoid being played by guys OLD I would suggest being very clear early on with your intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/20 04:13 AM
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Fair enough. It’s all down to personal preferences and your own individual choice. I guess when you’re looking for casual NSA sex those factors (weight, education, social class) don’t matter as much. Just think people should be realistic when it comes to what they’re expecting out of a partner. Sometimes standards can be too high (girl doesn’t look like a sports illustrated model/ comes from a lower class, etc) thus eliminating potential partners who actually may be a good fit otherwise. I’m not…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/20 04:04 AM
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OLD is varies very much geographically. I learned this quickly when I tindered abroad. Its interesting to see statistics at play in real life. You can still have a positive experience with someone less educated or personable than yourself. The instances I recall "dating down" for the casual fling, I still had a nice conversation with my partner. I don't think I could do casual with someone I couldn't converse with either. For educated and personable guys its not that they want to settle for less…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/20 03:39 AM
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You’re making very broad generalizations and your points don’t account for the complexities that shape a persons romantic and sexual preferences. That’s a really one dimensional way of looking at things. I feel like you don’t have a lot of experience with women or hold some really toxic views on women’s sexuality. You’re using statistics and manipulating them to fit your narrative. When she's in awe of you, literally happy to even be in your presence, knows its a ONS and is more than ok with it.…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/20 02:50 AM
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Not extreme measures like someone obese. But maybe shes got some extra weight, or is of lower class than me (education, social etc). She's typically a 6-7, usually with one nice quality I can focus on. Compared to his physical features, good job and personality, he's dating down and she knows it. Their just happy to experience someone like that and they know there's no future.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/20 02:47 AM
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. Its always the 6-7's that are the wild ones. Honestly the whole purplepill "debate" is about 6-7's. The reality is different on the low and high end.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/20 02:39 AM
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They have access to them for casual flings for sure. It might be that our demographics are different as OLD is geographically dependent. My friends and I have had the same experience with OLD, we primarily date down. In looks but also intelligence, education, personality etc. Its by almost every metric. You see them without make up in the morning, its shocking how different people can look. I will say that for serious relationships the delta is typically smaller. The opposite happens where the w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 05:50 PM
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You're right about high value women but the avg. guy is matching with the avg woman
/r/seduction11/11/20 03:45 AM
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Tbh I realized this too. She said she went out with drug addicts, assholes and shit. Most women don’t do that. I know too women that go for a long time without sex (no longer than me hah). So she might have a much higher libido I assume. Both sides are no?
/r/seduction11/11/20 03:12 AM
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Its not supposed to be "hot" but it happens. Me accepting it happens isn't the problem. We can’t control human behavior, just observe the trends and provide commentary from time to time.
/r/seduction11/11/20 03:07 AM
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I figure that my definition of unattractive might be different from theirs. According to RP, 20% of men are getting all the women. Lots of the guys posted here could definitely get laid even if they weren’t famous if they aren’t totally socially inept... or even if they are- at least be charming in a nerdy/geeky/intellectual sense. Not as easy for them as Chris Hemsworth, but that’s also like comparing Megan Fox’s dating pool to that of an average looking woman. Almost all of them probably could…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 03:03 AM
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Yea your OLD experience doesn't sound too good. But a lot of what you said (same haircut/dress, quotes etc) works for girls as well. For guys, OLD is much harder. Getting a match, initiating conversation with someone mildly interested/talking to 10 other guys and trying to set something up. The tried and true method on OLD for us is to date down as those girls are over the moon when shown interest. The supply of high end guys isn't high but women have access to them at least casually. I'v had gf…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 02:59 AM
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It terms of women settling on traits they look for someone long term, I'm with you for sure. That definitely happens frequently enough. Settling in terms of looks? Only if he has exceptional status of some kind. The supply is high so she can pick the cream of the crop/crap for a casual fling All of the above happen in the real world but whats interesting is trends not just the chance events that occur. For guys we have casual sex mostly with women below our level.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/20 11:41 PM
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Guys settle down for casual. The way the market is driven, women don't need to settle, in fact they can do better than their looks-match (casually). It's very in this day and age that a women goes below her looks match for a casual fling.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/20 11:09 PM
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None of your gf's hooked up with asshole/ bad boy types? I think your experience might be unique Ive seen it posted on here by other women that for casual flings, the bad boy scratches the itch and they don't have to worry about the guys feelings afterwords.
/r/seduction10/11/20 08:56 PM
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I know it seems logical on the surface that "bag boy/druggie/etc" types should = less safe, therefore women who go for them don't care about their safety. It's so much more complicated than that. I have friends who preferred that kind of 'danger', but still gave half a shit about their safety. Also, that line of thinking is assuming every bad boy or druggie type in inherently physically dangerous with everyone they hookup with or meet. That's also not a true generalization. Its a spectrum but in…
/r/seduction10/11/20 08:52 PM
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So I should pick up a low-key drug habit to warm my bed without causing too much heartbreak? Sweet! Not all girls are the same but number 2 absolutely does play out in rl.
/r/seduction10/11/20 05:49 PM
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The physical safety bit for casual sex gets overplayed by women a lot. The bad/boy druggie type is far from the safer option but he brings an excitement that the normal guy doesn't. No doubt some girls prioritize the safety more than others but its not the ones going for the bad boy types
/r/seduction10/11/20 05:39 PM
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Lol weird how that only applies to women though. Men only care so they could be absolutely terrible in bed and not have the woman complain...which is pathetic. Women should not date these men. I don't really care if women want to have tons of casual sex but if you are saying that men judging women is preventing them from having it, I'd have to disagree. Women who want to have casual flings have them. If the fear of judgement was truly holding women back from having exponentially more casual flin…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/20 03:07 AM
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Our sex drives are very strong so the desire can be obsessive at times. It's not like vacations because of the biological component. You can't just move on in the same way as an extrinsic desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 09:47 PM
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I don't think its the cost of entry to date. People should try to be the best version of themselves, men and women. But as you improve, your criteria can get longer as well. What you would have gladly accepted before is not good enough anymore. The hurdles to jump through are not really worth the reward. If its someone whose very high value the effort might be worth. Sex is valuable but the cost is not really worth it. If someone is super desperate maybe its worth it for them. I think this is on…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 09:18 PM
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I always took don't believe what they say but what they do as a human principal. "Take it with a grain of salt" meaning listen but don't believe. It doesn't mean there is malicious intent, but its human nature. I think men have this too. The same guys who say don't sleep around would do the same in a heart beat given the opportunity. Actions are more important than words. This doesn't mean completely dismiss but rather its a healthy dose of skepticism. I also find that women are generally much m…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 05:08 AM
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I'd be interested to hear the female perspective on sexuality. I'm of the belief that both sides likely have their pro's and cons on the matter
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 07:02 PM
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Can you expand on that? I only know the basic ones and I feel like I still have a healthy respect for the average human being. I have no delusions that I wouldn't be making the exact same decisions that women do if I were in their shoes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 06:58 PM
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You think a man can't have a baseline respect for everyone if he agrees with red pill strategies? The two are not mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 06:36 PM
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Most of my casual experiences were with women who weren't super attractive. Physically and also in others ways. After the deed there's likely some feelings of shame from doing that. When I have had flings with attractive women I never had those same feelings. Another part might be that some men have a low sense of self worth. "Any club that let me be a member I wouldn't want to join"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 06:13 PM
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Imagine equating sexual partners to ice cream flavors. That logic explains promiscuity, I mean why not try all the flavors? Surprisingly, somehow a lot of men are repulsed to the idea of being her "Rocky road" for life but free sample's are in the cards
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 03:44 AM
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"It’s just men’s insecurities. Men want women with low n-counts so they feel like the woman has never had better" This is closer to the truth. They want to be the best she's had for sure. A far cry from wanting be mediocre lovers. You don't think women are like this to? They practically make it a mission to be the best bj he's ever had. When you actually care about someone this comes with the territory. They want to gain experience together not like a teacher student relationship. Some guys are …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 10:26 PM
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You really believe that? You think people, male or female, want to remain mediocre lovers for their partner? I believe the opposite is true, they want to be the very best. Any form of insecurity likely stems from the possibility that they might not be. You're right, but they don't have the equal opportunity hence the double standard. Purposely excluding from what, casual sex? The double standard is not out of spite but rather its to find someone who either has similar experience level as ourselv…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 06:24 PM
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It's because casual sex is much easier for one than the other, hence the double standard. All things being equal it shouldn't apply. Maybe for some really insecure men. But I think most would prefer someone who is of similar or less experience than themselves so they could grow together. The only time when men would be fine being a terrible lay are for casual flings. If it's a ltr they like love her and obviously want to make the experience special.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 02:57 PM
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That's true but unless the guy has been hoeing as well, there's gonna be a huge disparity in experience levels. Granted if their relatively close it doesn't matter. On the other hand most guys want to grow with someone and experiment. And unfortunately, some guys seem to always attract the ones in the 'settle down' stage after the fun is over
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 01:13 PM
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Its a double standard, and its how we are. The same attitude would produce entirely different results for each sex. The disparity in experience levels could create incompatibility
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 01:07 PM
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I can't imagine the Enron guy being a real catch. Any man who frequents strip clubs likely has some issues but it's an interesting story nonetheless. Yea, guys don't care for a ONS. A man is just looking to get off and there's possibly some sort of validation thing. When I'd hear about guys who didn't care or put no effort to please their partners I thought it was BS because I couldn't imagine that being possible. If I guy actually cares about someone he doesn't act that way but flings bring out…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 05:24 AM
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There is someone for everyone but I doubt the marriage life of ex prostitutes or strippers are what most women would desire. I'm sure they have high rates of crime divorce, etc. If I was a women I wouldn't want to date trp guys either. This stuff only works to get your foot in the door but beyond that I can't imagine its healthy for a ltr. It primarily helps guys raised by single mothers or lacked proper male social upbringing impo. Idk about slut shaming as I think women do that just as much as…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 03:07 AM
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And a lasting marriage is not possible without two people who have met the criteria for ltr. For most men, one of them means someone who hasn't had/enjoyed many casual sexual experiences. We're full circle
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 02:38 AM
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Agree with everything especially the last part. How successful he is with casual sex is very important and women don't need marriage like they used to. The vast majority of people still want marriage and a LTR partner, even though women don't need it to survive its still a desirable prospect.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 12:05 AM
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Yea I agree with that except men make less compromises on their long-term partner. The criteria is a lot longer for who they marry and there are more deal-breakers.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 11:32 PM
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Yea to echo the other reply, TRP is very helpful to get girls but once you're in a long term relationship its a different dynamic
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 11:23 PM
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For sex absolutely
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 11:08 PM
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Could be some ego but also to genuinely see if she's wifey material. You can't turn a ho into a housewife
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 10:52 PM
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Its a term used to describe a phenomenon. Yes, to the average women that could also be described as regular dating, to most men and unattractive women that's anything but regular though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 07:05 AM
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That's right, you just described the Carousel in more words
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 06:13 AM
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I think if you're pairing the average man with the average women it doesn't matter. His skills are average by definition. Her traits are also average for the same reason. If he had better game he wouldn't be average anymore. The difference is that the average women can pair with above avg men (game, social or looks wise) which can give a false self-perception. Just because an attractive, social and charismatic guy will give a women attention/sex, it doesn't mean much more than that. I think some…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 09:53 PM
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Most women don’t want some clingy yes man who caters to her every whim. That’s actually quite annoying. But most women also don’t want to be treated like crap. Some guys, especially guys who have had healthy relationships with women, get that. As someone who has had a healthy relationship, its the assholeness that gets us in the door, once we are in we can be our true selves. Their always surprised after a few months in (pleasantly) Still its not ideal to be fake but thats what people have to do…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 06:11 PM
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Women on the otherhand tend to fall into the "If he's nice to me/my family & my friends then he isn't an asshole" trap. But a guy who is a bully/jerk to lower value men is an objectely not nice person, regardless of how good of a boyfriend he is. That's a really good perspective. Also I'll add that the way Chad talks to other guys about the girls he's dating is not how he actually talks to the girls. There's a duplicitous nature in some people and we all see different sides
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 06:04 PM
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Nope, for most men the 'asshole' version is a front for their insecurities, and the nice guy is the real guy. But you learn REAL quick that you never let a girl see you vulnerable, or that you care, or have any emotions at all really. If they smell weakness they will turn on you so fucking fast it'll make your head spin. Yea so when a guy really likes someone their considerate and thoughtful but they learn very quickly this doesn't work. When you don't care about how she feels all of a sudden th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 05:57 PM
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You never know what someone's experience has been (especially online) so it's important to be sensitive to those kinds of things :) I don't frequent the tinder sub but most people look at tinder for casual flings so I would expect the talk to be about getting laid. I would join other apps if you aren't looking for something so casual. Male dating issues are very different then female, a lot of the negativity you see is likely due to the lack of interest from women on those apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 06:39 AM
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Yea women shouldn't place much merit into what society thinks of them if they know what they want and it is reasonable (takes some self reflection). It's definitely hard for women and I don't think many people would disagree about that. Their challenges are very different than men, who can also have it difficult albeit in very different ways. I don't think awful men are celebrated by men. I can't think of an even where this is true at least. Most men value other men with positive character trait…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 04:17 PM
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He sounds like a terrible person but what to do now? Do we mope about how all men are trash? Where does that get us? It's not your fault he did bad things. Terrible people do bad things without cause. All you can take responsibility for are your feelings. He doesn't care about them and truth be told very few people probably do. Letting him further taint your heart is your responsibility. If a women is consistently picking men who hurt, cheat and lie to them at some point they have to look intern…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 05:45 AM
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We all know women who always pick the wrong guy for them and they end up hurt. Blaming men is not the answer. We are all responsible for our decisions in life and consistent failures in one aspect point to an internal problem not external (men). If the type of men they pick repeatedly hurt them, their responsibility in that event don't you think? Blaming men is the same self loathing attitude that incels have championed on the opposite side of the spectrum. It would benefit both sex's to take re…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 05:33 AM
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For women its definitely hard to find the guy you that gives you that burning desire and has the long term partner traits you need. It has been true in my experience through academia and athletics. The high value men, top 20%, are attracting really great girls. They are good looking but also very sweet, intelligent, etc. It always came to me as a surprise that they wouldn't settle down with these girls but the next one was just as great albeit slightly different. Its an abundance mind-sight for …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 03:46 AM
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I mean guys with a lot of options have quality options. For them its like shopping at Wholefoods and everything is 50% off. This is the case for maybe 20% of men. The rest have it totally different. For women its definitely hard to find the guy you that gives you that burning desire and has the long term partner traits you need.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 03:17 AM
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I don't think they should lower their standards at all. But at some point they have to realize its them that's the problem not men. We all know women who always pick the wrong guy for them and they end up hurt. Blaming men is not the answer. We are all responsible for our decisions in life and consistent failures in one aspect point to an internal problem not external (men).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 02:59 AM
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You really want them to lower their standards and settle? If I was that guy I would run the other way no matter how attractive she was. There's nothing better than true female desire for you, regardless of the medium...lol ok not like 200lbs A slightly chubby or butterface that worships you is way better imo. Who cares about those girls fighting for men above them, as long as your taken care of sexually, emotionally, etc, you'll have a happy life
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 02:55 AM
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When the sex dries up men aren't happy in their 'good' relationship. I've had good relationships where everything was great but I wasn't attracted to them and they obviously noticed. It's not good to have to be drunk to sleep with someone even if everything else about them is very nice. Definitely but the guy you really want has a lot of options which makes him put less effort in this endeavor.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 02:48 AM
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I found this to be true. The more I worked on myself both physically and mentally the higher my beauty threshold became. The same girl I was attracted to a few years ago is unattractive now.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/20 09:12 PM
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Once you meet enough people you realize how similar everyone is. That can get boring for either sex but it takes time to find the nuances in someones personality
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 12:36 AM
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Yeah no. I'm very extroverted and the red pill works well with those traits
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 12:33 AM
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If you're quiet and reserved you had better be either good looking, high status, intelligence or can command a room. If you're introverted but just a regular dude you're pretty much invisible to normal female unless you fit some niche. Extroverted just always for more opportunities..besides the fact that they can be very attractive to some women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 12:31 AM
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One man's slut is another man's treasure. Its subjective by nature
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 09:13 PM
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umm... this literally happens all the time. When Im horny in need of a quick fling I just hop on tinder and settle for a less attractive girl. Same thing at the bar, shes always happy to date up to someone with higher looks, status etc. Someone with close to my level of attraction takes more effort for me, but my chad friend can easily score with her. This happens every weekend across world
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 07:49 PM
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Yes most people also speak from their perspective but there many different ones. I know a lot of women like yourself. Just take everything here with a grain of salt. Most of the guys have had really bad experiences or their primary demographic is through OLD. Don't let this perception bring you down as it doesn't apply to you or your friends who were in long-term relationships but broke-up. There is a subset of women who play the field in their 20's with guys they probably shouldn't and then the…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 06:54 PM
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But - off all man - she has to do it with him (+ all the other guys who call themselves beta). It's so funny you don't see how hypocrit that really is XD. The whole purpose is to become him. Not something that comes naturally to the avg dude here but necessary. Its not really about judgement but instead assessing the realities and taking action from there
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 01:20 AM
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if true then quality women are rare
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 12:58 AM
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I think most men on here would respect that. You worked hard and achieved something really great through that time. It's the ones that were partying with Chad through their 20's and now they want to settle down. Its hard to respect that
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 12:53 AM
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The average dude did not get to sow his oats in his 20's. That's really the crux of the issue. These guys watched girls fuck their friends who were lazy assholes, while they got lucky to make out with becky every few months.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 12:31 AM
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Perfectly said. This should have its own post. Its just that average guys don't have oppurtunites until their 30's and thats when girls want to settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 12:08 AM
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great perspective. I never thought of it this way
/r/seduction28/09/20 02:21 AM
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Yea its more nuanced than that. But you have to be interesting in some way. Most people are rather average and simple but for men dating that's a burden
/r/seduction27/09/20 07:33 PM
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Most guys don't have that privilege of partying and trying different people because its harder for the average man until he's older. Dating over 26 just makes men want to seek more casual experiences and to be that fboy because so many women they date their age have done that. He's not even compatible with anyone his age unless he's had a threesome, sex on a skyscraper etc. etc
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 06:51 AM
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But understand that though sex is out there and not everyone is a Puritan, women are not all out there fucking around to make you feel bad about yourself Its not malicious intent on the women's part. Some of the bitter posts are a bit ridiculous as I believe that if those guys were born female, they would act the same. Of course women aren't fucking around to make us feel bad. That being said the CC is propagated by the current market. Being mad at this is like being mad at the price of milk at …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 06:41 AM
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Social media can be a complete game changer if you already above avg in looks/dress well. Having the Instagram clout on top of the physique is the key to success for the early 20's guys. Social media is basically a status symbol so its akin to being a well known figure for past generations. You already have a degree of respect without opening your mouth.
/r/seduction27/09/20 05:13 AM
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Then they tell you there's no "spark" after the 3rd date. Agree that looks aren't everything but most girls with options need someone unique to keep them interested. Regular Joe does not interest regular Jill
/r/seduction24/09/20 10:22 PM
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One word, experience
/r/seduction24/09/20 09:42 PM
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What determines joyfulness is after the fact though. You can seduce someone in many ways but if the end result is positive for both parties what does it matter. If its not a selfish goal. Also they wouldn't be able to slide under the defenses if it didn't work right? So no harm no foul, their in the same position as the nice guys, back to the drawing board. But if that works it creates a positive feedback loop to continue that behavior.
/r/seduction24/09/20 05:33 PM
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Yea but I think a little douchiness, like making fun of her, goes a long way in creating some spark. Part of chemistry is just out of both peoples control but a big part is created through communication (verbal and non) For a lot of guys, they are not comfortable acting that way with someone they like and are hopeful for. Its like a meeting a new co-worker or friend. It feels mean. I think for people that are genuinely nice it shows in the long run anyways but from a male perspective, being the …
/r/seduction24/09/20 05:23 PM
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Yea I mean I have been like that and in certain friend groups, I know guys like that. They typically have good friends but don't have the best luck dating. I would equate it to how women wear make up and get really done up early in dating but once you get to know each other that stuffs not necessary. For nice guys its better to be a little more feisty and hide that considerate part of their personality until they get to know someone. A girls perspective is different and I know my girlfriends all…
/r/seduction24/09/20 04:52 PM
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I think your both thinking about it wrong. Guys who are nice people in general (to everyone) are not looked at desirably initially. Maybe it looks fake or weak, but its negative nonetheless. He's simply saying don't do that with dating. The part about women being nice to manipulate is partly true in that some women do that but also some are absolute sweethearts with pure intentions
/r/seduction24/09/20 04:17 AM
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That's fair but some people are just nice ( ie kind and considerate) to everyone, male or female. I think its a big positive once there's a long term relationship but as far as dating its not a good quality for men to have ime
/r/seduction24/09/20 03:59 AM
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I think this post is for Nice people in general. Im nice to both genders, its not about manipulating people its about being kind and considerate. Ive had close friends and family describe me in this way at least. But being nice is detrimental in dating, I've had to adapt my personality because of this. Once a guy is further along in a relationship, I think the traits nice guy traits actually become a big plus. So basically hide your "Niceness" while dating and then let them see the nice you over…
/r/seduction24/09/20 02:51 AM
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