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I don't. Do you see Lilith complaining about not being able to find a partner? That is really the only way this point would be at all relevant. If you've got a disagreeable personality it's going to be harder to find partners. That is the whole crux of the OP. If Lilith isn't complaining and your point isn't actually about deserving there's nothing left.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/26 10:02 PM
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I love this answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/26 05:29 PM
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Who said anything about 'deserve'? If you've got a shitty personality many people will make individual choices not to date or sleep with you. 'Deserve' had nothing to do with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/26 04:48 PM
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Hey that's true and maybe you should consider that validation isn't why they do it! Maybe some men just honestly disagree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 03:41 PM
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I get validation from women in real life. I call out bullshit here because it's bullshit and honestly because it's self-defeating for the men who believe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 03:40 PM
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Severe Internet brain poisoning. Many such cases!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 03:37 PM
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Pro FDS? You are lost in the sauce, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 03:36 PM
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It is 1000% ad hominem debate strategy. Women are all entitled, hypergamous, shallow liars and men who disagree with me are simps so my view that women are terrible is the only legitimate one.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 03:33 PM
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It's hard to criticize an entire gender that varies widely in beliefs and behaviors, is the thing. But dudes here will make ridiculous, swiping statements about women here, someone calls it out, and you call them a simp.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 03:32 PM
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Is just weird that you're acting like this is an uncommon belief.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 02:51 PM
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I have no idea what percentage but it's not uncommon. I paid for a first date on Friday and she thanked me twice because she didn't expect me to pay and said she'd get next time. Definitely dated a number of women who take turns paying for whole dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 02:49 PM
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Dude there is a whole world outside your ugly, hateful little Internet bubble. You desperately need to log off.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 02:44 PM
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Nope. False dichotomy. Women don't have to accept approaches from random men and most people don't meet their partners via cold approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 11:17 AM
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Nope. False dichotomy. Women don't have to accept approaches from random men and most people don't meet their partners via cold approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 11:17 AM
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I mean, "you're handsome" is certainly a big enough opening for me to ask her out, even if she might just be giving a compliment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 09:04 PM
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You keep saying "approach" but what you're describing sounds like people who already know each other casually and you're asking how to progress to a date. For an actual approach, someone I don't know out in the wild, I'd say just find a way to start up the conversation. I may not be the norm here but I can pick up the ball and run with it if a woman goes out of her way to talk to me and then seems friendly and maybe a little flirty. I'll just ask if she wants to get a drink if the conversation i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 08:52 PM
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Imagine thinking the people obsessed with rating potential partners on an "objective" looks scale are the deep, substantive, self-aware ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 07:55 PM
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Calling it a "take" is generous. It's a substanceless rant.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 07:49 PM
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You are laser focused on a very particular segment of women. That is not even remotely my experience with dating. I'm aware there are women like that out there but it's not the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 12:59 AM
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Yeah man, that's patriarchal gender norms. It's toxic and you don't have to pursue or settle for women like that. I'm a feminist and I sure as fuck don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 12:32 AM
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It's also mannerisms and how you move and carry yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 11:14 PM
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Or demands to see your phone and look through your text messages. No but deal, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 12:56 PM
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That is a wildly immature idea of love and you should talk to a professional about your mommy issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 09:50 AM
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I was replying specifically to the claim that when women want to fuck you they aren't shy about it. You finding women who aren't shy is not proof there aren't also women who are.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 04:39 PM
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It's amazing how often this stuff veers unprompted into what sounds a lot like someone's unacknowledged personal kinks
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 03:16 PM
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Are you familiar with selection bias?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:16 PM
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Lots of women are shy about it. Read any of the sex and dating subs.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:15 PM
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This just isn't true. Have you tried? Possibly it's true in your particular community but I'm skeptical. I have several female friends that I'm close and share things with. I have at least 2-3 men I'd say that about, although maybe less frequently. I have a story from at least one personal friend and have seen more on places like Reddit of men who felt like they couldn't talk about anything deep until they finally really needed to talk, took a chance reaching out to some of their male friends, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 09:30 PM
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I think you're confusing "any man who can't get women must be a bad person" with "men who talk like a lot of dudes here specifically probably can't get women because their beliefs about women are shitty and repellant". Those are not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:24 PM
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All that pedantry to turn around and say "a friend is someone who performs friendship"? Wow you really nailed that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:21 PM
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#notallmen, my guy. You just pretend your feelings don't actually exist or don't affect anything because you were raised to think that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:18 PM
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That seems like such a sad and unhuman way to go through life. We're inherently social animals and evolved to help each other survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:17 PM
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Does that seem like a problem to you? Are you glad that you don't talk about your life with anyone or have people you can turn to for help?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:15 PM
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"chosen by financial and/or affection reasons" is fucking hilarious, mate. Not really disproving the claim that y'all don't actually like women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:07 PM
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You can kiss and touch someone's entire body in a sexual way without making them orgasm. What are you even talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:51 PM
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It's incredible how RP men will rant about men being better at science or logic than women and then fail to understand very basic concepts like sample bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 02:22 PM
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You can't even imagine what the other thing besides sex and housework is? "No capacity for love" was spot on.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:14 PM
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Picking up after yourself is bare minimum adult behavior and plenty of guys don't do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:45 AM
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The fact that the vast majority of women cannot make that happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:37 AM
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You pretty much said your love is based on looks. You derided women wanting an emotional connection. Los of people actually do not want what you consider love because it's not love.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:33 AM
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He got as far as "get banged by an endless procession of fit young studs" and got distracted.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:31 AM
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Women all over this thread are trying to explain to you that supporting a partner is totally different from what they mean when they complain about having to mother a grown man but you refuse to understand it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 12:55 AM
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Really not disproving the accusation
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 12:48 AM
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Or cuck fetish, for that matter...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 12:35 AM
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Y'all are just making shit up. This is amazing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 12:31 AM
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Because it's a completely fabricated assertion with no evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 12:27 AM
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Why do I strongly suspect you aren't close with any women in real life? This is a deranged tale.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 12:25 AM
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Dude literally going with the "she did it first" defense
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 12:18 AM
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Pure cope, brother. The idea that liberal women are ugly is a fantasy y'all love to tell yourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 11:47 PM
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Right? I'm 43 and unfortunately plenty familiar with dating apps and social media. I had an interesting experience recently where a 20-something who posts on looksmaxxin subs about his recent nose job DMed me because he saw some of my replies in the tinder sub and wanted my feedback. Dude is getting nose jobs and thinking he's doomed because he's chopped when the profile pics he showed me were fucking terrible. Like, most dudes struggle on dating apps if for no other reason than that, they don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 11:36 PM
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So she can't change her approach to try to find more serious men? If she fucked dudes on the first date before she has to keep doing it so it doesn't hurt your feelings?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:49 PM
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Right? There'll be a post tomorrow claiming if she's not immediately feral for you and wants to fuck on the first date then it's no good because that's what she'd do for Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:47 PM
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He should work through that with a therapist and friends rather than expecting some poor woman to rehabilitate him.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:37 PM
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OP said women prefer it, which is not the same thing as just having a number advantage because you try a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:29 PM
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Social science research in general is famously unreliable and often doesn't replicate so yes, it's fair to question a lot of dating studies. If you actually know much about the state and process of science it's really not saying much that something is done by PhDs.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:19 PM
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It must be really rough going through life so fragile and with so little willpower.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:21 PM
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Christ this is dumb
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:16 PM
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The point was I'm replying to your comment saying feminists don't care about gender roles? There are plenty of self-identified feminists who will tell you all about the patriarchy and also are unaware they want men to adhere to some gender roles or are aware and just live with the cognitive dissonance. I've dated a couple! You made a claim that the comment above–"Even feminists care about traditional male gender roles."–is wrong in the US where feminists are opposed to gender roles but I'm sayin…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 04:17 PM
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It's not only ever men. You don't talk to many women if you don't know any female jesters.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 04:11 PM
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There's an epidemic of dudes on this sub who need to learn to speak only for themselves to the extent I honestly wonder if you even possess theory of mind. Try "men I know and I don't care about having things in common with women". Couples tend to be similar across lots of traits (including age), lots of couples meet through shared activities or environments, etc etc. I and dudes I know generally want partners we have some things in common with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:52 PM
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This idea that it doesn't matter if women are shy or socially awkward is a myth. It's different but it really is an issue for women as well. I definitely have my socially awkward moments but I'm overall fairly confident and outgoing and I want a partner who's similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:38 PM
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Most men do actually want a woman of roughly similar education and income as themselves. It's a manosphere myth that wealthy dudes are going for diner waitresses or whatever bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:34 PM
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Not saying this never happens but a woman wanting a man who's similarly successful or financially stable as her is not the same as a woman looking down on a broke man because of his failure as a man or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:33 PM
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Generally with you on this topic but I think this is a pretty severe No True Scotsman. Yes, there is a certain strain of American feminism that consistently opposes gender roles for men but that's probably a minority of self-described feminists. We're still pretty early in tackling this problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:31 PM
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I think you can infer from what's there that they haven't found an effect opposite of all previously published research.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:21 PM
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This is because agreeable/disagreeable have a lot of different connotations, the popular usage of them is not necessarily the same as the Big Five definition, and this can be skewed a lot of different ways. Here's the Psychology Today summary: How do I know if I am high in agreeableness? The agreeable don’t insult others, nor do they question a person’s motives or intentions. They also don’t think that they are better than others. Everyone is their equal, and they are quick to empathize and resp…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:06 PM
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Incredibly clear outliers do not prove anything about the average man's or woman's experience, actually. Learn 2 science, dawg.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:58 PM
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Right. You can disagree in an agreeable manner. Lotta hyperbolic assumptions about this kind of stuff in this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:51 PM
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Gender differences in agreeableness and neuroticism are incredibly robust across studies and time. Here's 2020 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0092656620301367
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:49 PM
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Do you see how insulting a woman just for being a woman might be different than those other things?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:23 PM
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Everyone is ignoring (or likely just didn't read the gd article) that the strongest predictor was religion. There are loads of confounders here.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:20 PM
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If you read the actual post (which is a write-up of a study; we're a couple steps removed here) it's actually focused on a sharp drop in these views that starts in 2018, it's talking about 8th and 10th graders (13 and 15 year olds, roughly) and the strongest predictor they found is religion. Personally I would bet this is a Trump effect, and it would be interesting to get actual church attendance data alongside "religions plays a significant role in my life" datapoint they've got.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:12 PM
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THANK YOU. The theories people will spin based on a one misleading summary of a brief blog post on a single study are really something. These are not young men, they're boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:06 PM
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Why would I answer a question about a penis size that's statistically nonexistent?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 05:34 PM
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It seems like all your brain power ended up in your giant cock because you don't seem to be great at critical reading skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 05:31 PM
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I'm not a woman and yes I disagree that exceptional penis volume is what makes sex great for most women, and the fact that you're going straight to micropenis as the counterexample suggests you don't have a serious argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 05:13 PM
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I appreciate the detailed and thoughtful reply. I'll try to add more later but I'll just say I'm sorry you had those experiences and I can very much empathize with a lot of that. I had a lot of trouble figuring out how to fit in when I was younger and it took me a long time to figure out and get comfortable with myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 04:33 PM
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It's not that the problems aren't real, it's that the explanations offered here are detached from reality. I mean just basic factual claims made regularly are contradicted by just going out in the real world and looking around.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 03:05 PM
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"Source: pulled out of my ass"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 02:58 PM
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Yeah, I'm not an expert on the distinction but a lot of the opinions here seem to be more black than red.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 02:47 PM
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Are you regularly quizzing your woman to find out if you're the best yet?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 02:35 PM
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I've got like a 98th percentile dick and the time my plenty-experienced ex said "I think you ruined sex for me; how could it ever be better than this?" it wasn't while I was fucking her. It was while I was fingering her.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 02:30 PM
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Love when dudes try to argue with women about what women like in bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 02:27 PM
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Talking about good sex in terms of genital volume and bone structure pretty much guarantees you are never going to be anyone's best ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 02:26 PM
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Okay. You sound like an arrogant and unpleasant person so I suspect you're gonna have a hard time anywhere you go. I'd recommend starting by trying to project less and understand that there are a whole lot of people in the world and many don't share your preferences. Sports don't objectively suck; there are tons of different sports with tons of different vibes and cultures and different kinds of people who are into them. You just don't like them. Try admitting "I don't personally like sports bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 01:57 PM
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Why no sports leagues? Whatever though. Book clubs, wine tastings, dance classes, bike racing, tabletop gaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 01:28 PM
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No problem! And yeah, I didn't even use weed much either. Combination of hating everything about smoking and generally not wanting to get in trouble (didn't really stop me from drinking heavily, but...). But yeah, I am partly comparing MDMA to weed specifically here. Being THC high can be fun sometimes but I generally feel kinda dumb on it and not always in a way I like.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 07:16 PM
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Oh, and why: like a big nerd I had read some stuff about psychedelics and some of the positive benefits, like a Michael Pollan article in the New Yorker or something. Probably read good things about MDMA somewhere. So I was really curious about trying them already. And yeah, they were totally worth it. Not something you can or should do all the time but honestly MDMA is the best drug. Makes me feel intensely myself and everything feels good.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 06:40 PM
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I don't remember how the conversations started but I had become better friends with someone who had experience with drugs like MDMA and still knew where to get it. Probably it came up in conversation, I mentioned I'd never done it, he asked if I wanted to. Started out with a couple very chill nights at home trying it out with just a couple friends. I'm a bigger dude and it definitely took probably three tries to get to a dose that really did it for me. I hardly felt anything on what my friend sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 06:37 PM
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These kind of all or nothing beliefs are rampant in this sub and they are absolutely toxic. "tall ripped guys get more traction" can be true and also does not mean nobody else gets anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 02:26 PM
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As someone who didn't really do drugs besides very occasional THC until I was 35 and then finally tried MDMA and then mushrooms a little later: it is absolutely not too late to get into party drugs. You're not even 30? Come on. I don't really have any experience with ket but from what I've heard that's not even where you'd wanna start for party drugs anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 02:23 PM
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Sounds like a skill issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 04:44 PM
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And to be honest I'm very good at sex and have considered waiting longer (typically date 3-4) in my next relationships because I don't want 1) to cloud my own view of things with great sex or 2) for a woman to want to be with me just because the sex is amazing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:49 PM
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Are you familiar with the concept Theory of Mind? Let me ask you one simple question. Will you be better at something by doing it as much as you can as often as possible or by waiting an inordinate amount of time before doing it? I've had a lot of sex with quite a few women. Waiting a few dates to have sex with my next partner is not going to make any meaningful difference in practice time. A few dates worth of sex pales in comparison to the amount of sex you can have in any good relationship, r…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:45 PM
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Anticipation is hot. Building tension and chemistry as you get to know someone is hot. Fucking someone immediately isn't always actually the most satisfying option. You might genuinely want to wait longer with someone you're really into and "truly desiring" them has nothing to do with it. Tbh you'll never be great at sex if you can't grasp even the basics of this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:47 AM
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wtf?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:42 AM
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It's like y'all are constitutionally incapable of understanding a new perspective. Really incredible. Try reading that third paragraph again.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:33 AM
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At the very least every single male who goes to the gym is looks based red pill. It's called body building. The why is to get a woman. I'm becoming convinced that a lot of dudes here don't actually possess theory of mind. Like you seem unable to comprehend that people may think differently than you do or do things for different reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 05:19 PM
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Also just... most women don't have sex in any of those situations? Different women are different, or so I've heard.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 05:09 PM
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Was that satire? Impossible to tell in this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 05:04 PM
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You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and you're going to be terrible at sex your entire life if you're committed that belief.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 03:17 PM
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What does a refractory period have to do with making a woman orgasm? I think you're demonstrating the problem with big flashing lights here.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 01:30 PM
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Because you think women are all gonna be happy with a partner who just wants to fuck them but doesn't like them as a person? That's lucky to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 01:18 PM
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A lot of that evo psych stuff was literally funded by Jeffrey Epstein, it turns outl.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 12:38 PM
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I'm a man who's been on many dates with women, hoss. Keep settling for unpleasant women if you want but that's not for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 09:57 PM
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This may blow your mind to hear but really attractive couples can be miserable too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 09:22 PM
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That same OKC "study" that was anything but getting posted over and over and OVER.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 09:22 PM
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It sounds like you have a really bizarre view of men. Personally I have agency on my dates and am also there to see I like them and find them interesting. The bar for being unpleasant is not actually very high! Life is too short to date unpleasant people. You might find you have more success on dates if you stop acting like a doormat who will accept literally anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 09:20 PM
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Buddy anyone who is modeling for national magazines has a different experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 09:16 PM
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Sorry! Must've been skimming and misread.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 08:56 PM
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I've been this guy (currently working on getting the fitness back). It really just is not this simple. I'm 6'4", 145 IQ, used to have abs, making around $200k, or like $150k when I had the abs? I was probably getting a lot of interest but did not know how to use it, probably projected insecurity that kept some women from approaching me, etc etc. I do much better now that I'm 40 lbs heavier but wayyyy more self assured and comfortable with myself as a person, and I've known dudes over the years w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 08:52 PM
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Oh, it's not complex at all? I guess any two SMV 8s should be able to get together and happily date because the rest is just noise?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 08:47 PM
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Okay but a good chunk of it is unknowable. If you don't have enough of a personality to understand how chemistry works that might be confusing but most people aren't just trying to get the highest rated mate they can on some objective rating scale. I've been out with women where there's mutual physical attraction and we even get along well and have a bunch in common but the chemistry just isn't there for real deep relationship attraction. It's kind of inexplicable but that's just how it goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 08:45 PM
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You are not actually in a position to speak about all men's preferences, is the thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 08:41 PM
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Fat women would tell you otherwise and I've got a couple male friends who have told me otherwise directly. Some dudes are just into fat women! But there's a social stigma against actually dating them and many guys will be ashamed to do so publicly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 08:40 PM
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It's the same guy in both articles just 4-5 years later in the second one.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 08:35 PM
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Some of us do want to help you, you just refuse it out of hand because you're more committed to your ideology. Like the first step is understanding that women are not a monolith, they are real and complex people who don't all go for one thing and there really are things you can do to date them besides magically becoming a Chad. I think a lot of dudes here would rather just complain though so that seems to be a nonstarter.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 08:33 PM
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Great way to twist reality to just support whatever you want to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 08:29 PM
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For real, it's like OP didn't even read the second article all the way through. Nowadays I look back and I understand that staying away from sex all those years was like banning myself from the grocery store. ... It’s been about six months since the ranch trip. I’m dating now, I’m having fun, and life is good. You can’t live your life in fear. I know I said losing my virginity wasn’t a life-altering event and here I am saying how awesome things got after sex. But that’s just it: Life was always …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 08:27 PM
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Never mind the basic innumeracy problems with these kinds of takes. Guy knows one player and a handful of women he's talked about fucking and seems unaware of just how many women are probably in his area not doing these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 08:14 PM
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It's that this kind of video isn't a good example of genuine human interaction and flirting. You're basically in here claiming that reality TV is real.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 03:33 PM
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What's important in a relationship to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 08:06 PM
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These dudes see kids as things rather than people, is the thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 01:32 AM
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If you become part of their family and form a bond with you they don't call you Mr. Johnson. I knew my ex's kids for maybe 7 months before we broke up; they called me by my first name and we developed our own relationships and I got close to a couple of them because they are their own people and not just a possession that is "yours" or "not yours".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 01:31 AM
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Social skills, hobbies, and excitement are superficial?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 01:25 AM
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I watched the video and there was zero fangirling going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 01:22 AM
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Again, a wild assumption. How do you know she's not attracted to her husband? I just googled him and he seems decently conventionally attractive to me. Besides which, maybe he's actually got a good personality, which women are actually attracted to and clav is completely lacking. Like the guy is a fucking disaster.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 01:19 AM
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But this is the thing that seems to be a rorschach test. Non-red pillers just don't see anything notable happening in that video. Y'all grab one still of her smiling and claim it's this insane attraction, but I watch that video and see her smiling and shaking his hand then backing away a few feet and making no effort to continue the conversation with him. Nothing about that was flirty or "primal".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 01:18 AM
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How do you know that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 01:14 AM
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Yeah, I think it's more fun to be fun, so learning how to be funny and interesting in conversation is a great thing. When you get the hang of it it doesn't feel unnatural anymore, it just feels... fun. Then to your point you're really only a "dancing monkey" or whatever if you're just entertaining a woman and she's not returning effort but like, then I wouldn't be interested? I'll move on to someone who's actually fun to hang out. I really don't care how good she looks if the personality sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:41 PM
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I don't care enough to learn all the nuances but a lot of the arguments in this sub definitely seem to come more out of black pill as I understand it than red.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 02:03 PM
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I agree sex gets better with someone you love all else equal but this is 1000% not the reason. Being with lots of women I've learned that, yes, women often like very different things, I've learned a wide array of different skills as a result, I've learned how to read a woman's responses to determine which ones to use, and I've learned good communication skills around sex so we can talk about the things she likes that I might not be able to figure out. I've learned how to be present and confident…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:45 AM
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Who are you people dating? This is not my experience at all. I've gone with lots of liberal women who were down to split bills. I can think of exactly one who was a girl power girl power feminist and also wanted me to pay for everything and generally had some weird trad tendencies but I'm pretty sure she had deep emotional issues going on. The rest are pretty generally against gender roles and norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:37 AM
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It was and is a lot more than just elites and it applied as much or more to women than men so that really has nothing to do with the idea that men specifically and only recently are walking on eggshells because we have to put some thought into things we say.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:21 PM
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It's hilarious that this is the bar for you. Oh, he didn't cheat on or beat her so she must have had no reason to leave him?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:19 PM
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The number of women who are just completely invisible to dudes like you is insane. I don't think you have any idea who the average woman is or what the typical female dating experience is like.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:15 PM
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that would very obviously not be one wrong text then
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:06 PM
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Because that's the straightforward interpretation of the OP. The specific examples are about getting ghosted or blocked by someone you're texting, which is really only typical of someone you've just met dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:05 PM
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All of the specific examples given in the OP sound like they refer to early dating and someone you've just recently met. Ridiculous to call this assumption bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:04 PM
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In normal society normal people should not need to filter anything. That's just silly. Part of learning to live in society for basically forever is learning what's appropriate to say and do when. Etiquette used to be a wayyyyy bigger deal than it is now in fact, so it's weird to suggest that it's become a necessity to filter.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:01 PM
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The lie here is that women say that about those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 06:50 PM
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Show me literally anyone saying Cavill or Hemsworth aren't muscular
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 06:49 PM
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Listing Superman and Thor here has gotta be fucking trolling. I do not believe that anyone has ever cited them as examples of dudes who aren't muscular. Their most famous roles were famously jacked.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 06:47 PM
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It's disrespectful and disingenuous to suggest knitting class is the only option here. Most women don't do anything like knitting classes but they do lots of other stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 02:32 PM
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You should speak only for yourself, bud. You're a man, you are not men. I and a lot of men I know have mixed gender spaces we genuinely enjoy. This might shock you but women like and want to date men who actually like women and it's a problem for you if you don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 02:28 PM
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Maybe you should learn some communication and relationship skills them instead of just waiting until you snap. That's something a therapist can help you with. What you're describing is not at all emotional maturity or an ability to manage just fine without therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 02:07 PM
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Hey, sounds like you're almost starting to understand the point of patriarchy!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 05:01 PM
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You're apparently just reading what you want to read here because I didn't say anything of the sort. Any broad ideological/social/whatever group is going to have tons of disagreement on ideas, principals, facts. A lot of feminists think feminism is for men also, meaning they want to undo gender roles across the boards and doing so would benefit men. Other feminists have different ideas of feminism. Nobody is lying, just disagreeing. If you can't grasp this basic fact that very large groups aren'…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 04:25 PM
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I don't crush on or want relationships with women I've never talked to either but I only get to know so many women (very few actually!) through daily life stuff. Approaching someone and striking up a conversation is a way to find out if there might be potential for more. Shit, you barely know someone you meet on a dating app but it's enough to decide to go on a date. No one is approaching someone and asking her to be their girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 10:40 PM
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Uh, I'm on your side on a lot of this stuff but I think you're ignoring a lot of men who've said it's the moments of weakness that are often the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 08:12 PM
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You sound like a real catch. Is that your approach to sex too? Do you get many repeat customers?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 12:12 AM
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How's that working out for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 11:48 PM
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People, both women and men, find effort and intention and interest attractive. You've apparently constructed a narrative in your head where the only guys who get women are hot dudes who just show up and do literally nothing but that's almost entirely a fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 11:07 PM
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Like what, specifically, do you like about them? I don't know you or your friends so I can't answer this for you. It's not a trick question. She's saying that if all you've got to say about your closest friends is "they're cool" then you're probably about as deep as a kiddie pool and not interesting in a way that's attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 11:04 PM
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You can't change the past but "I see myself being forever hurt mentally and emotionally about this" is a choice. You can decide what to do with your feelings going forward, and being bitter and resentful about this forever is just going to give you a whole lot more years that are worse than other people's or worse than they need to be. Maybe try making your future something to envy and then just feel good about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 10:59 PM
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A bunch of dudes completely unable to comprehend the concept or influence of individual chemistry. It's wild.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 10:49 PM
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India, famously devoid of colorism. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 10:45 PM
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You need to learn to speak only for yourself, hoss. Lots of people find that attraction is affected significantly by personality. You're stating things facts that just aren't. You may be a shallow, looks-obsessed loser with zero personality or ability to appreciate anyone else's but that doesn't mean everyone is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 10:44 PM
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I'm aware! I've struggled with stuttering and a lisp (both on the mild side) and what probably turned out to be social anxiety (more severe). I didn't say it's easy. I just strongly object to the idea that being fun in attractive way equates specifically to being a clown or performing for someone else in an inauthentic way.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 07:47 PM
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You cannot be attracted to one’s personality or behavior. Well that's just something you pulled entirely out of your ass and you're really going to struggle in life until you realize that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 07:04 PM
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This may be a big revelation for you but some people think banter means having fun together.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 07:00 PM
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Literally anything deeper than "they're cool" would be a good start.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 06:58 PM
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Legitimate lol. Well said.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 06:57 PM
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This may shock you but there are some things in life that you have to practice at but when you get better they 1) come more naturally and 2) are a lot of fun. Musical instruments for example, but also I basically had to learn to banter as an adult because my parents were boring af but now it comes pretty naturally and my social interactions are a lot more fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 06:56 PM
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This just sounds like a narrative constructed to wallow in your own pity and depression.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 06:51 PM
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And yes, this is tied to gender norms, because men are expected to be self-assured, assertive, and unfazed, while women are allowed to be nervous, insecure, emotional, or shy without it being seen as unattractive. I mean this is just entirely up to you and what you're willing to accept. Personally I generally prefer women who are confident, fun, and outgoing so that's something I look for. There are also women who are into shyer guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 06:50 PM
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Or shit, it could just be that women know who their looks matches are and go for that while guys are all trying to go after 9s and 10s.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 12:01 AM
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I think the ratings are an unreliable indicator of real or potential attraction or interest, which could be due to a variety of factors. Already pointed out that 4/5 sends notifications. Men generally are bad at picking photos of themselves and writing bios so women might be rating "objectively" but still think a guy has potential. Who knows. You're probably too young but I was on OKC during that period. It was the go to dating site and lots of people met partners on it. My friends are absolutel…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 11:42 PM
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You claimed it's about owning a house. Ya know what never mind, I don't think you've got the reading comprehension to be worth this effort. Have fun living in your fantasy world.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 10:24 PM
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The fact that they messaged them isn't what I'm saying, it's literally just right there in the graph. You're the one deciding that the ratings in a skewed system are totally reliable and hundreds of thousands of women were messaging men they thought were ugly for nefarious reasons. That's the kind of explanation that really only makes sense if you think women are somehow totally alien.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 10:20 PM
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That literally just says she doesn't live with her parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 08:46 PM
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What part of that suggests she doesn't rent her own apartment?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 08:46 PM
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Can you quote the part that says "house" or the verb sense of "own"? You can't because they're not there and you're ignoring the parts that specifically talk about logistics: like the practicability of hanging out alone for long periods without having to spend money and having sex in relative peace.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 08:23 PM
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You completely made up the ownership aspect. She just said her own place. Living on your own. That can be an apartment. And again, if she were the homeowner and he lived with his parents she'd be going for a lower status man.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 08:07 PM
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It's couples who agreed to lay out all their relationship issues on a TV show for a major streaming network. You can call it whatever you want but that's not a random sample of relationships and it's not a typically therapy environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 05:38 PM
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Yeah, my last girlfriend was a couples therapist and I definitely learned a lot about this. It takes work and practice but it definitely helps things. Of course, she also had PTSD and wasn't particularly great about applying all those principles consistently on both sides of conflict, which was a bit difficult, but...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 05:36 PM
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You're talking about very different situations. Sure, if you're contracted to to maintain computers you just go in and fix the computers. That's not what a human social relationship is, though. It's funny you mention customer support though because I'm pretty sure validation is literally the first step in most customer support scripts. "Oh, that must be really frustrating, I'm sorry you're experiencing this. Let's see what we can do about." Still not a social relationship but even there there's …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 05:33 PM
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It's not the solution, it's a first step.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 05:29 PM
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Bro are you basing your claims about women in relationship dynamics on a reality TV show? For real? Validation itself does not solve a problem. It solves the problem of someone not feeling heard or understood. If you think that's not a real problem in relationships then good luck to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 05:27 PM
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What are you apologizing for if you tell her right after you don't even agree with she's saying? It's okay to have different perceptions of what happened but if that's all you're doing it sounds like a false apology.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 05:22 PM
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Because the first step is to listen and understand why they're upset. That's part of what validation is. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/take-care-black-women/202507/validation-for-high-conflict-couples
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 05:13 PM
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There are people and institutes who study stuff like conflict resolution professionally and you have this 100% backwards. Validation is the first step. Sure plenty of people don't it *right* and I'm sure you've seen examples on TV of women wielding it for self interest but the goal is to make both partners feel heard and validated so they can have a productive discussion out resolution based on a shared understanding of they got where they are. Taking out the garbage is a classic example. It's n…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 04:57 PM
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So your belief is that the obviously-not-objective (because it actually sends notifications) rating system is 100% accurate and in 2010 or whatever there were hordes of women not only entertaining messages from guys they thought were ugly but sending them messages first? That's your belief?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 04:41 PM
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Are you functionally illiterate? Like you know what individual words mean but aren't able to put them together in context? When she has her own place she's fine with dating men who live at home. (willing to date a lower 'status' man) Because they can go to her place. (logistics) If they both live at home they don't have a private place to hang out. (logistics) This couldn't more clearly not be about status.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 04:38 PM
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What's disingenuous? The data from the blog post everyone here loves to cite shows that women message average men much more than the opposite. What do you make of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 01:27 AM
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Yeah, helps to have options but I mostly skip those profiles now. Travel isn't a personality. It's up there with like "Wine!" as a stand-in for personality. Have you read a book this year?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 10:30 PM
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There's a saying that if you try to please everyone you'll please no one or from product development that if you try to be for everyone you'll be for no one. This is nice guyism in a nutshell. Being wishy washy, unopinionated, just hoping to be liked. So you have a bland-ass dating profile and you swipe on basically every woman and just hope to get a match at some point. The thing is writing a good profile really does make a huge difference to your OLD success (this is related to reading the bio…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 10:28 PM
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You might be surprised to learn there are a lot of feminists in the world and we don't all agree on everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 10:06 PM
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Depression, suicide, isolation, apparently, these aren’t symptoms of a system that fails both genders. - It's usually feminists saying how "feminism is for men too". People like exposed that saying for being BS. So which is it? People say feminism is for men too because the system fails both genders. A bunch of feminists talk about this regularly. Go-tos for me are feminist influencer Liz Plank who wrote a book on basically this exact topic like ten years ago (For the Love of Men) and a blogger …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 10:04 PM
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Also assuming that it's the exact same 5% for every woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 09:48 PM
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Yeah I mean I also put "study" in quotes because it's literally not a study.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 09:21 PM
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They message men in a fairly normal distribution. You'd have to believe OKC men were very disproportionally hot to believe women weren't messaging average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 06:34 PM
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Sure. We can agree it's worthless data and never cite it in arguments again?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 06:33 PM
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I don't know but I'm not to spend a lot of time thinking about it because it's not an objective, blind data collection method. Why do you think women are disproportionately messaging men they rate average or below attractiveness? Can you admit that the messaging patterns are completely opposite of the usual red pill narrative and show that it's men and not women who are hypergamous?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 05:39 PM
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It's not "a bit iffy", it's total garbage as a source of objective data. It's not particular hard to understand the results unless you're committed to a different conclusion though. Men disproportionately want to hook up the most attractive women so they don't care if a 4-5 rating notifies the person because that's what they want. Women are more selective about finding someone who's a good fit so they don't want guys they think are "objectively" hotter getting notified about their rating. That j…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 05:25 PM
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And here's a cite for the way the ratings system worked. AFAIK, the other person has no idea how you rated them, unless it was a 4 or 5, and even then it just shows as "rated highly". They do get a notification when you rate them highly, or are supposed to. I've found this does not always work.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 05:04 PM
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You're making claims about the OKC data and you've never read the actual blog post? You can google it in about five seconds but here you go. <image> And the critical piece of context missing from the blog post is that at the time it was written a 4 or 5 rating would notify the person that you liked them. It was a functional part of the app and the exact opposite of an objective data point. But who cares about the ratings? The usual claim is that women are all going after only the top 10% of men …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 05:01 PM
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I bet it would really melt some brains here if you could somehow see an "objective" 1-10 rating for every woman you see online. A whole lot of dudes are internet poisoned about what average really is and who their looks matches are.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 04:53 PM
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This sub would have close to zero content if you somehow took out all the posts based on a dude spinning an entire imagined story around a single reddit post from a random woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 04:47 PM
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The OKC data wasn't a study and it's been WILDLY misrepresented. Women messaged average men the most but men disproportionately messaged the top women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 04:45 PM
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They're flaky when you're 6'4" too. That's just OLD.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 04:41 PM
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The oft-cited OKCupid 80/20 "study" actually shows the diametric opposite of the usual black pill claim: women messaged men in roughly a normal distribution while men disproportionately messaged a small percentage of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 04:40 PM
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Five year old data isn't relevant? Sounds like a convenient excuse to justify believing whatever tf you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 04:36 PM
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"my speculation proves this tenuously related theory" is 90% of the RP arguments in this sub in a nutshell. I've had sex with women with DD+ tits and that will have zero impact on my future partner selection because there are way more important factors to attraction and compatibility than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 04:33 PM
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I have zero interest in dating 21 year old virgins but you do you, I guess. That sounds fucking terrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 04:55 AM
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Were you raised by wolves? WTF
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 04:10 PM
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She's very clearly talking about logistics and not status.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 04:07 PM
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Have you ever had sex? I think you have the learning/experience process backwards there. Your next relationship will probably end at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 12:33 AM
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I don't think you actually know any "rad fems"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 08:45 PM
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Women do not always say that. Y'all seem unable to grasp the idea that different women say and want different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 08:42 PM
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I'm not taking anyone's word, it's in the video. The person I replied to at the top of this thread said "The job isn’t to walk into someone’s fucking house and look around, the job is to put shit next to the door and leave." You can see in the video that she didn't have to walk into his house to see him, he was very easily visible from the front door where she was supposed to drop the food. Everyone making this claims that she opened the door and walked through his house to see him and get that …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 10:21 PM
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If she was in the wrong people shouldn't have to lie about what happened, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 10:10 PM
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On the porch she was specifically told to be on, not in his house. Can you read and follow a thread?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 09:41 PM
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The video is from the porch. She didn't go inside.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 07:51 PM
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Are you making claims about a video you haven't seen? She's clearly on the porch outside the front door.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 07:51 PM
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Why are you lying about what clearly happened in the video? She was on the porch where she was supposed to leave the food. She didn't have to go in because he was clearly visible from outside.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 07:49 PM
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AFAIK she didn't enter his home. He was easily visible from the wide open front door she was supposed to leave his food at. She walks up to the door and sees him Donald Ducking it on the couch 10 feet away. I think the most favorable possible explanation is he was wasted but I'm still not sure why/how you end up naked from the waist down in that scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 03:41 PM
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Never seen anyone pretending to sleep?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 12:02 AM
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What is ever the point in making a woman look at your junk? Ask someone who does it because I have no clue.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 11:55 PM
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Nobody just forgets to close the door, strips naked from the waist down, and lies down for a nap on the couch ten feet from the wide open door with delivery on the way. Come the fuck on. He was facing the door. That's not an accident and there are absolutely guys who get off on tricking or forcing women to look at their junk.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 11:46 PM
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Well you hit on the real issue at least. It's not that women will call you predatory it's that other men will judge you as performative or call you gay or some shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 11:39 PM
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It's not a few exceptions, it happens all the time, and you claimed that if it happened those men would be labeled predatory or accused of sexual assault and that just doesn't happen. It's typical for men to be more covered up, sure, but your claims are completely hyperbolic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 09:00 PM
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Hell yeah, brother 🦵🍑🦵
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 08:57 PM
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I've seen men wear crop tops and booty shorts. I've personally worn compression leggings with no shorts to the gym and have seen others do the same. Crossfitters wear practically nothing half the time at mixed gender gyms. I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about and I don't think you do either.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 08:56 PM
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In the real world if that happened it's probably friends who are all used to being naked around each other and both partners are okay with each other being seen naked.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 05:47 PM
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What? Even if someone has a problem with his wife flashing her tits somewhere (which not everyone would!) I don't think most people would consider it cheating. Inappropriate, disrespectful, etc maybe. Not sure where you're getting these ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 05:31 PM
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No, the entitled ones get dragged consistently, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 04:01 AM
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I think this is a fantastic idea. I'm really appreciating that as a single 42 year old man I can date and sleep with all kinds of women because I treat them well while the rest of you are spewing red pill talking points and I enjoy mutually pleasurable sex while you're blaming your inability to please a woman on the size of your dick. Please run with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 11:28 PM
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This should be added to the sidebar or something. There's just zero understanding of the diversity of human experience. Real touch grass shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 11:07 PM
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Your last point is exactly what she's saying. Lots of men don't actually want a woman who's forward about dating or sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 09:30 PM
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If you post anything like that in the dating subs like r/tinder you'll be consistently told to tell those women to fuck off, including by women. Those requests happen but they aren't widely accepted.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 08:48 PM
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Who said it's wrong that you dream of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 08:19 PM
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Yeah anyone who's met ENM people knows you don't have to be a chad to get laid but you do need "I will be good at and respectful during sex" vibes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 08:17 PM
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That is a brave, kind of revolutionary thing, in my view. And it baffles me that seemingly I'm the only person on the planet who thinks so. Is this supposed to be a joke? We literally call the period where this started to change The Sexual Revolution. Have you talked to literally anyone in the poly/swinger/kink space? These spaces are permissive but they aren't literally collective. Especially as a man you need to establish yourself as someone who is fun and safe to play with if you want to find…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 08:13 PM
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Honestly sometimes this feels like trying to explain bicycles to a fish. Just a complete lack of recognition or understanding that personality could be a factor in anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 08:00 PM
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I've noticed something pretty consistent in this sub where red/black men are completely obsessed with looks and don't realize that personality can be a huge part of attraction for many many people, men included. "Why would it matter what his personality type is when looking for hookups?" is just a very strange question to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 07:58 PM
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Absolutely. For a hookup or a LTR I need to find a woman at least somewhat physically attractive, like there's a minimum threshold, but personality and vibes are super important. I don't personally want to push through a boring conversation with a hottie to get her in bed for mediocre sex just because she looks good. Great vibes and flirting mean higher odds she's going to be fun in bed too.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 07:50 PM
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you kinda totally missed the point
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 07:38 PM
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That's not true. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-mating-game/202004/gender-differences-in-casual-sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 02:02 AM
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I'm not afraid to say anything. I just think you have an active imagination and no idea what you're talking about. Getting better at sex, for anyone, happens when you're able to get honest feedback and repeated attempts to try things and see what works. Casual sex in most cases is notoriously not that. If you read stuff like r/sex instead of just spamming your same complaints ad nauseum in this sub you'd see a lot of posts from very inexperienced young people in different phases of relationships…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 01:54 AM
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You got a lot of ugly old obese women telling you all about their very active sex lives?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 01:27 AM
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You actually don't know that at all. Lots of people gain early experience and confidence in relationships and often with similarly inexperienced partners. Casual sex is really not the best way to get great at sex. You're fixated on it in a way I have never seen before and it's not healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 10:08 PM
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You have this incredibly backwards. What is the incentive for a very sexually experienced and skilled woman to have sex with you just so you can level up? She's not a fucking sex charity. That is literally a relationship thing. You find someone willing to help you level up sexually because they're making an investment in your overall relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 08:20 PM
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That seems like a restriction you're imposing on yourself due to your own insecurity and assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 08:17 PM
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Buddy the real answer is "be a good partner who cares about your partner's wellbeing and happiness and wants to have a solid, balanced partnership" and doing chores is part of that. Doing chores for the express purpose of getting your dick wet doesn't make you less of a shitty partner or make your partner feel better about your relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 08:15 PM
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Since you like cherry-picking single replies as evidence of broad trends, how about this one? I've had sex anywhere between dates one and three, often before relationship goals come up and definitely before any kind of exclusive relationship, and I have literally never told a woman that I just want to hook up. Worst case you say something like you're open to a relationship with the right person (that's what the fuckboys you idolize do a bunch of the time). <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 07:26 PM
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SEX GOD is ironic, to be clear. He literally said that in some other comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 07:02 PM
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I have no way to guess so I did a quick google search and I'm seeing 10% to at most 20% of women have ever had a threesome. A ton of those are doing so in relationships. There are probably exceptions but kink is by far easier to experiment with in a relationship. I'm kinda kinky and date kinky people and even on kinky dating apps most people aren't going straight to BDSM casually, they're establishing a connection first. Practically nobody is getting into stuff like bondage with a ONS. By far th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 07:01 PM
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I think you have zero evidence that's true. I'm skeptical that you know anything at all about group sex and kink in practice. Check out any of the sex or BDSM subreddits and read about real people's experiences; it's largely couples deciding to experiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 06:55 PM
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I think everyone who posts anything online should be required to pass a basic statistics and analysis course.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 06:33 PM
1

Is your status your entire personality? You, specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 06:30 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 05:22 PM
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Who is talking about broken windows? I'm talking about partnership and you're veering into 20 year old policing myths.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 05:10 PM
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That's what's implied by the post but frankly I'm wildly skeptical that he's encountering women who've been in orgies that frequently. I have casual sex and I'm pretty kinky and I don't see everything he claims all that often unless I'm specifically looking on Feeld.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 04:31 PM
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People repeatedly tell him that average and even ugly guys are able to get casual sex and he refuses to believe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 04:24 PM
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Because he's got messed up ideas about how attraction and relationships work and the diversity of women's preferences and experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 04:23 PM
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I think nearly everything about your worldview is tremendously misguided. You'd probably call me a chad and tbh I've gained the most sexual experience and confidence in relationships. Most of the sexual experiences you list in the post are much easier and better obtained in relationships. Gain sexual confidence and learn how to actually be fun and maybe then you'll be the kind of guy women want to have casual sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 04:20 PM
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You're describing emotionally immature men, not all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 04:15 PM
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I'm 42, hoss. I've been in plenty of relationships and I don't have any problems with getting chosen. While we're doing unsolicited advice you'd probably need RP less if you were less condescending and closed minded.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 04:08 PM
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Nah, I'm doing pretty well having real relationships with real people. The women who would actually go for this shit you're talking about are not my cup of tea.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 03:53 PM
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I'm not a woman so you can save the "you" accusations. It sounds like you've got an incredibly transactional and rigid idea of relationship roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 03:34 PM
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Besides which, the other 50% of women is kind of a shit ton of women! What's wrong with them? Do you think you're too good for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 03:26 PM
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"50% of women are like this" is internet-brain-poisoned BS.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 03:26 PM
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You act like men randomly stumble on the redpill and that's what makes so many men unsuccessful All of social media is flooded with dudes reciting red pill talking points. It's the entire comment section of basically any instagram reel with a moderately attractive woman. It's not something anyone has to go looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 03:20 PM
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Somebody can get past those things for the right person with time and effort. Casual sex is inherently a low investment and fun activity.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 03:17 PM
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It's unfortunate this will be completely wasted in this sub but 👏👏👏. You didn't have to write a whole essay but that nails the issue pretty perfectly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 03:15 PM
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You're getting downvoted because you're pretty clearly just making up what you want to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 03:12 PM
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You reduce it to completely physical things like a major component of sexual attraction is completely invisible to you. They said "sexiness", not looks. Sexual ability is something you learn and buddy the best way to get sexual experience is in a relationship. In fact most of the "wild" stuff you called out in your post is much more relationship stuff than casual sex stuff, especially for a man. Any man. You want threesomes, group sex, and kink? Find a sexually adventurous partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 03:02 PM
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Chill. You have zero.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 02:56 PM
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Because men don't divide neatly into "insanely hot" and "repulsive" categories? What about this is difficult?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 02:55 PM
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The seething resentment is probably palpable in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 02:26 PM
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Hard to know without actually knowing but you seem very insecure and probably not very fun, at least at first. Someone who takes the time to get to know you and build a connection might want to sleep with you but you don't immediately come off as someone who's fun to sleep with. That's a lot of what charm and confidence really is: do you seem fun and secure and like your confident you know what you're doing if you take someone to bed. That's possible to learn (I did!) but you're mentally blockin…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 02:25 PM
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You think looks is the only remaining possibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 02:02 PM
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What about doing it because you're an adult and that's part of maintaining a home?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 02:00 PM
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How old are you and are you asking out multiple women in the same social circle?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 05:37 PM
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Do you actually like any of these women or are you just trying to find someone who will go out with you? Honestly that's what seems to be missing in your hypothetical and where a lot of red/black pill posters around here just lose the plot entirely. Wanting someone to like you specifically has nothing at all to do with seeking some kind of objectively best possible person. Women want to think they're being asked out because of who they are and not just because they happen to be a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 05:25 PM
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A man glances at a billboard of a bikini model and gets accused of objectifying her. When the fuck has this ever happened? Gets accused by who? A guy comments “she’s hot” on a public Instagram post (where the woman is dressed half naked) and is called creepy. Called creepy by who? Insta models comment sections are full of dudes saying all kinds of shit and I don't see anyone calling them creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 08:50 PM
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When are men shamed for noticing? The times I hear women complain about being sexualized are when they get gross comments or stares in a non-sexual context. If you understand that even porn stars shouldn't be sexualized in certain contexts you should be able to grasp this point. I have no idea what you're talking about unless you're trying to argue that any woman who wears a skirt or something is sexualizing herself and can't complain when men yell stuff at her.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 08:41 PM
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I very much believe you don't know any educated women, so you probably don't see any hot educated women day to day.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 07:52 PM
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Okay? You can speculate that in some hypothetically different situation maybe educated, accomplished men would want young tradwives but the actual existing evidence shows they don't do that. Unless you've got evidence besides "trust me bro"?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 07:49 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 05:38 PM
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One post from someone claiming to be a woman is now BP fact in your view?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 04:26 PM
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I'm going to bookmark your reply to shove in the faces of men on PPD who claim men are all better at logic, reasoning, and data analysis.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 04:19 PM
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And who told you those comments were good or even okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 01:25 PM
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I do not see that happening regularly and I don't believe you do either.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 11:52 AM
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Median income in the US is $43k or about $20/hr, which is well above minimum wage. 1.1% of hourly workers make federal minimum. Never mind that one woman on Reddit getting 75 up votes is not representative of anything. Like bro that's not even much for reddit, let alone women more broadly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 11:33 PM
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Sorry, probably needed an /s tag there. OP keeps referring to "the scientific literature".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 05:30 PM
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You're complaining about women saying men aren't good enough while making blanket statements about how "western" women are delusional. Yeah, you might think you're trying hard to do "most" things right but if you have messed up ideas about women and are unable to treat them as individuals deserving respect you're not gonna have a lot of luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 01:36 PM
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Right, there's this obsession here that it's all about height/looks/money but when I see and hear women taking about men not being fit for relationships it's literally just that they don't know how to be adults who are good company and respect women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 12:50 PM
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If you're not thinking about other dudes during sex you just aren't familiar with the literature.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 02:52 AM
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Why would you get mad or depressed because she's had sex before? It sounds like you have too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 02:48 AM
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If you want any woman to want to stay with you long term you may want to realize that looks are a tiny part of long term relationship satisfaction and attraction and work on discovering what could make you a catch that nobody has to settle for.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 02:41 AM
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Excuse me, you try to convince them their wives settled for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 02:04 AM
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The studies you claim back up your point. Are you unfamiliar with how citations typically work? When you wrote papers for schools was your bibliography just "lol look it up yourself"?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 01:53 AM
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You keep referring to "the literature". Cite your sources if you're so into research.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 01:43 AM
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Buddy your post literally describes how you try to convince seemingly happy men that their women aren't really attracted to them or something. How about following your own advice and keep your preferences to yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 01:34 AM
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I'm pretty good looking and as long as she makes me feel like she's attracted to me I didn't give a shit who she's fucked before. Worrying about the experience of a woman who's into you is loser mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 12:03 AM
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Ding ding ding. Zero functioning relationships and a mountain of projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 04:31 PM
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Yeah, I don't get it either. Like maybe it's the fear or vulnerability of trying and failing? Getting bad information? IDK. Say what you will about mass media info, I feel like men's health and even Maxim magazine when I was younger talked plenty about basics of trying to please your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 04:17 PM
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Do you not understand how fewer shitty and harassing men on dating apps would be a better experience for women? Are you not aware that many women get lots of matches but most of the messages are terrible?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 11:35 PM
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Hinge has had a height filter for a long time, if you pay them a lot of money. None of the other apps do afaik. I use it and I'm a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 11:31 PM
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In what ways do you think they cater to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 11:13 PM
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Because making the app experience better for women would probably encourage more to participate. I think you don't know why fewer women are on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 11:12 PM
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Have those ugly men considered having sex with ugly women? Because ugly women typically report feeling invisible.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 10:36 PM
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How do you imagine it works out mathematically that men are more lonely than women? Something's not mathing here.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 10:31 PM
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With a 3:1 gender imbalance there is no restriction you can put on women that will improve things for an average man. Limiting women's matches if anything would make the problem worse for men who don't get matches.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 10:28 PM
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You also seem unaware of the reasons women use the apps less than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 10:26 PM
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It's funny that you immediately and only think of restrictions on women rather than stuff like permanently banning any men who are shitty or harassing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 10:25 PM
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Men changed the system, made it better for women. Grudgingly, after decades of pressure from women activists. This is a weird ass thing to try to claim credit for. For what? Could you name a single improvement in men's lives since equal rights? Because it's the right thing to do? Because everyone deserves equal rights? One improvement might be that the women in your life are less oppressed, if you give a shit about that at all, which it sounds like you don't. Personally I'm happy that my sister …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 10:23 PM
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What's your theory for how the math works out there? There are roughly equal numbers of men and women outside like China so who are the women dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 09:56 PM
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Who do you think is consuming that porn? It's not women's actual preference driving this shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 01:29 PM
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I mean a lot of dudes on here would clearly be fucking women under 18 if they could...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 01:22 PM
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lol. Literally every woman in the world flipped out over a guy with a huge schlong on TV. 4 billion of them! OP counted. QED, proof that women are all size queens.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 01:21 PM
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I'm a quality over quantity guy personally. Maybe fun to look at huge ones sometimes but I'd much rather have a partner with nice, perky Cs or Ds.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 01:16 PM
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That is basically this sub in a nutshell imo
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 01:12 PM
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Okay but lots of men don't prefer huge tits even though there's a general societal stereotype that big tits are better. It's kinda like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 01:10 PM
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Most people disagree with you. 🤷‍♂️ Everybody can have their own boundaries and sensitivities, though. I hope that means that 1. you don't want oral from your partners and 2. you're finding another way to make sure they get off.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 08:58 PM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 01:11 PM
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Lots of women reporting that lots of men don't make any effort to get them off or show much interest in their pleasure is what tells us about the efforts of the partner. Female sexuality might be more complicated but it's not fucking rocket science and a woman who isn't completely inexperienced can usually tell you what she needs if you care to listen.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 12:58 PM
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It's times like these I just really don't understand some other men. Is it a complete lack of emotional awareness? Lack of imagination? Almost certainly a lack of care or awareness of their partners experience. Like there are plenty of ways sex could be bad for a man but my partner really not being into it would be a big one.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 12:21 PM
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That's different than "men don't get turned off by insecurity". That aside, I've seen plenty of videos on social of a woman doing something fun and confident and dudes in the comment talking about how hot it is. We'd probably just use different words to talk about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 10:06 PM
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A number of women think they're asexual because they've never been with a man who's decent at sex. I really liked this blog post about it: https://celestemdavis.substack.com/p/patriarchal-sex
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 08:31 PM
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It's as valid as your "I doubt", pal.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 08:10 PM
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Also be clear the narrative isn't that "male desire" inherently is that way, it's that lots of men are selfish in bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 08:08 PM
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Are you familiar with the orgasm gap? Like go on any of the sex and relationship subs and you find this talked about all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 08:07 PM
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That is essentially the standard narrative among men here. Women should have low body counts instead of fucking any chad who uses her in his roster of cum dumpsters.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 07:05 PM
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The narrative would change if if most men didn't have sex in a way that's largely about using women. Like, consistently make your partners cum and then maybe you can complain about the narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 07:03 PM
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Even Ben Shapiro? WTF does "even" mean here? A right wing commentator who thinks WAP is a medical condition is not any kind of authority on women's sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:56 PM
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You claim you're not confusing two different women but in this post I literally see you conflating very different ideas from different groups of women. They always describe sex as something men do to women. Not something men and women do together. This is an idea that I hear from a lot of women but it's not women saying that all women are asexual or that sex inherently is this way, it's that this is their experience of how a lot of men do sex. This fact is actually key to a lot of the complaints…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:55 PM
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You claim you're not confusing two different women but in this post I literally see you conflating very different ideas from different groups of women. They always describe sex as something men do to women. Not something men and women do together. This is an idea that I hear from a lot of women but it's not women saying that all women are asexual or that sex inherently is this way, it's that this is their experience of how a lot of men do sex. This fact is actually key to a lot of the complaints…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:52 PM
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You claim you're not confusing two different women but in this post I literally see you conflating very different ideas from different groups of women. They always describe sex as something men do to women. Not something men and women do together. This is an idea that I hear from a lot of women but it's not women saying that all women are asexual or that sex inherently is this way, it's that this is their experience of how a lot of men do sex. This fact is actually key to a lot of the complaints…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:47 PM
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Dare not show disinterest? Where the hell do you live?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 01:54 PM
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That's not "men" that's a very small and specific subset of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 01:51 PM
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I'm a supposedly HVM and I'm absolutely less attracted to women who lead with their insecurities. Chemistry is super important to me and if a woman is insecure about being around me it absolutely affects chemistry and how much I'm into her. I think RPish dudes in this sub are fixated on looks or unable to access the deeper parts of attraction or connection and project that into everyone else in the dating world.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 01:49 PM
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This is one of those situations where talking to real women (and believing them) would be informative. There are dudes putting their height insecurity in their dating profiles. There are WAY more who lie about their height and then tell the woman she's wrong about her own height when they meet and the difference is obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 01:44 PM
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That's not men writ large, it's a specific group.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 01:35 PM
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You just assert your feelings are facts and don't bother learning the rest of science and formal logic, like that inductive reasoning can generate hypotheses but not facts. Also "seething resentment" is an emotion; you just like to pretend you're not emotional when it's just that you show it differently and you're unaware of your own emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 07:03 PM
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Almost like personality is a critical factor in dating success!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 07:14 PM
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Exaccccctly what I was thinking
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 07:12 PM
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even women who are quite open to the idea of a casual arrangement get turned off by the idea of being used as a glorified masturbation device by men who don't care about them Yes, that's why women don't all just go for super hot guys (assuming the math even worked out, which it doesn't). Being cool, fun, normal around women, and good at flirting goes a long way, and if you want to actually stay on someone's roster being respectful and good at sex so she feels good about continuing to sleep with …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 09:47 PM
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Sounds like username is very appropriate
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 07:17 PM
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I asked what your source is
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 04:01 PM
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I had some social anxiety probably and it took me a bit to figure out where I fit in. 22 is really young still! And jesus, thinking that knowing who you wanted to be with at 15 was "late" is wild. How old are you now?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 06:00 PM
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I'm partly referring to you here, bud. Even just for myself I had some good qualities at 22 but I barely knew who I was at 22 let alone what I was looking for or the right kind of person for me. Now I've grown a ton and figured shit out and I'm capable of so much deeper a connection and relationship; anybody who doesn't want to be with me because they aren't whatever they think I was going for when I was young is a moron and probably incredibly immature themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 05:49 PM
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I guess you have to keep in mind that a lot of these dudes think women's prime is like 16-20 and 30 year olds are 'used up' so they would literally rather be appealing to children than adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 03:53 PM
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She didn't "have everything". She was a stupid 22 year old kid with little responsibility. You're being humiliated by a story you're choosing to tell yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 03:49 PM
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Why do you want to be more appealing to immature children than experienced, mature adults? It's not about being second choice, it's realizing that things that seemed good in your youth sometimes actually aren't that great. Like you're literally struggling with the concept of maturity here.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 03:47 PM
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I think a lot of men here are incapable of understanding that some people grow and mature between 18 and ~30.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 03:39 PM
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If "real life" is your friends then tell them to stop going for obvious red flags I guess? People are just dumb sometimes, some more than others. There are lots of both men and women who will go for people with obvious issues on display in a dating profile.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 03:33 PM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/OkCupid/comments/1cjxfo/what_do_the_stars_mean/ Also it wasn't a "study" and the ratings weren't blind. People forget that OKC ratings were functional (or a lot of the dudes parroting this were in elementary school when that was the case). Women don't want to message or match with every dude they think looks good
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 03:28 PM
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I've thought about writing a post about how wildly that blog post has been misrepresented. It's kind of ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 03:20 PM
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Completely missed the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 02:55 PM
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Women seek treatment and get diagnosed at higher rates. Doesn't mean men don't have issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 11:38 AM
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Man, the amount of emotional baggage dumped in this forum daily...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 11:37 AM
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A variety of reasons. There are subs here where you can find out the answer to this if you want. A whole bunch of the matches women are supposed to be stoked about getting on apps will open with shit like "u look like u give great head". A bunch of the ones they go out with will spend an entire date talking about themselves or their hobby or sex. A bunch more don't know how to take care of themselves, don't have basic shit like bed frames, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 11:34 AM
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Not sure where you're getting that men are expected to tolerate that. When those kinds if profile are posted in places like r/tinder there's usually pretty broad agreement that they're red flags.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 11:13 AM
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But why is their first relationship guaranteed to be their best? You just keep asserting this but it doesn't make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 10:09 PM
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Are you sure your flair is right or did you forget to switch from your sock puppet alt?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 10:08 PM
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You didn't say you value youth, you said you specifically value someone who's never dated anyone. You wouldn't consider having no previous partners at 35 a red flag? You: Yes. But that red flag comes with exactly what I want. A guarantee that I would be getting her best. It is worth the risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 06:34 PM
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You said if a woman has dated a man before she can no longer give her best. Only the first partner gets her best.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 06:30 PM
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I didn't ask about them. You say that you'll bring as much or more to your next relationship but for any woman you date first is best. Why the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 05:33 PM
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Pretty sure black here is "no pill".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 05:31 PM
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If you think "husband material" has negative connotations it's only because you've completely boiled your brain in online manosphere bullshit. That's a compliment to the vast majority of people in the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 05:30 PM
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So you define best for yourself differently than for potential partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 03:47 PM
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This is such a bizarre fucking way of thinking about this I don't even know how to put myself in that headspace. Do you know that some people learn things and improve themselves from life and relationship experience? Like there are actual skills to maintaining a healthy relationship that need to be built and practiced. The idea that a woman's first relationship is "her best" is absolutely wild.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 03:03 AM
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That's kinda gross!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 07:10 PM
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You show your partner's dick pics to other people without consent? 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 06:53 PM
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Center left social media doesn't say the kind of shit you did in your post. It generally says you need to fucking do better because you are a person with agency and not generally destined for irrelevance or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 01:03 PM
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" If he doesn’t, he’s lying." This is literally just confirmation bias. You're creating your own little ideological bubble where you can dismiss anything you don't want to believe. Everyone who says otherwise is a liar or a simp, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 07:34 PM
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Sexual dimorphism is. Trying to make specific claims about specific behaviors and using that to justify your own hypocrisy isn't. Okay lol It's a debate sub, sport. Someone disagreeing with you doesn't mean they're bothered.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 06:33 PM
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I'm not bothered. Just don't make these claims like they're settled science and expect anyone to take it seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 06:29 PM
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Some dudes are obsessed with dating a woman who's barely had sex and then get married and get upset when she barely wants sex. Couldn't be me!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 05:56 PM
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Trivially true, but drawing a line to very specific claims about gendered behavior when culture has been influencing behavior for thousands of years is just pseudoscience.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 05:50 PM
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Jesus fucking christ people should have to take media literacy classes before being allowed on the internet. Are you aware that your feed isn't like a random sample of content? Do you know what algorithmic recommendations are? Do you think that engagement incentives may skew what gets posted to social media?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 05:44 PM
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Because the pair bonding stuff is bs pseudoscience. "If you know you've got lots of options it might be hard to commit" is pretty straightforward.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 05:25 PM
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Buddy a lot of this evo psych bullshit was literally funded by Jeffrey Epstein. It's speculation and wishful thinking, not hard science.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 05:18 PM
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It's amazing how this number gets more extreme ever time it's claimed. What's your source for this? Don't tell me it's the OKC data.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 11:22 AM
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"It's simply impossible" isn't an argument. You just don't want to believe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 11:21 AM
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I'm not a woman, sport. Can you read a flair?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 11:19 AM
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You've got incredibly black and white thinking about a lot of things. People have different criteria and find different things attractive. I'd say most people want a fun partner but who knows. If you want to have casual sex though you need to be able to be chill and fun with women you've just met and create the conditions for casual sex to be on the table. Some men might be fun but don't open up right away, aren't confident in a lot of situations, etc. They might be worth the investment to get t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 09:12 PM
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Why? If your partner is wildly sexually attracted to you why are you sweating whether that's purely because of your looks and not also your personality? Why wouldn't you want your personality to be part of the attraction? And do you really want to decide that a woman can never be happy with you because she once dated or slept with someone who might be better looking even if it didn't work out for whatever reason? You're setting a ridiculous standard and really just setting yourself up to die alo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 08:59 PM
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Most men? I completely reject the premise. Approximately 24% of men and 17% of women reported having engaged in casual sex in the past year Distribution of number of partners isn't wildly different between genders except 28% of men have had 15+ partners according to the CDC Similar rates of casual sex between young men and women according to a Rutgers study Also not sure who you're calling "you women". I'm a man and I have lots of personal experience with attraction and amazing sex even in non-e…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 08:44 PM
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"mind and personality is the most attractive to me" "looks is not the only thing that creates attraction" "my attraction to their personality does most of the heavy lifting" "for a relationship I'm happy to let the attraction build more slowly as i get to know them and their personality" "Super cute and all but no brains. I didn't want to talk to him because then the attraction faded." "Their personality makes them just as attractive to me" Etc. Etc. Etc. Women are very sexually attracted to the…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 08:24 PM
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Then you must be tall, broad built, handsome and probably white. That's more or less true, although I'm also bald. Women hate small/thin framed men way more than heavy built men. Exception being male model twink types So it seems like there are plenty of exceptions to your rule about who gets casual sex. Like a guy I hung out with in my 20s who was like 5'7" and Indonesian, but he was pretty fit and comfortable talking to women and he did way better picking up women than I did because I was stil…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 08:09 PM
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The point is sexual attraction–for a lot of people, maybe not you personally–is complicated and isn't purely based on physical appearance. This is true for both women and men. Generally people need to like someone's appearance at least somewhat but personal chemistry, how much you laugh together, how they flirt with you, all sorts of things can trigger sexual attraction or prevent it if they're not there. The idea that women are all just hung up on some hot guy from who knows how long ago who di…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 08:03 PM
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Broccoli and sugar aren't distinct people in this analogy! Sugar is physical attraction and nutrition is personality. You can find someone attractive even if they're not the hottest person you've ever laid eyes on, and personality and personal chemistry are also attractive. Like the way you interact with someone can make you genuinely, wildly sexually attracted to someone even if you didn't find them that attractive just based on looks. I've personally experienced this multiple times. If you can…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 07:59 PM
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Evidence is great, it's just life is too short to read every study some random Redditor thinks I should if they can't even do the bare minimum of saying what they're sharing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 01:42 AM
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I'm not reading a bunch of random links to studies if the person posting them can't be bothered to give even a one sentence summary. Also I feel like someone oughta lead with their best stuff so
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 01:36 AM
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Breaking: people look for more than one thing in romantic partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 01:11 AM
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These guys really can't imagine that kind of relationship. I'm happy for you and your husband though. 🙂
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 01:08 AM
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You can tell yourself that but people pleasing isn't actually good in any kind of relationship. I'd suggest reading up on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 01:03 AM
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Do you assume that they're all dating the same women?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 01:00 AM
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First link literally says meanness and disinhibition are negatively correlated with women's satisfaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 12:58 AM
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Well yes, like a lot of claims made by guys in this sub I don't think that's true. You can see it in the way they talk about women, what relationships are for, the effect of aging, all that. "Women are loved unconditionally" really only comes up as a strategic argument for men being oppressed or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 12:51 AM
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Nah, you're 100% right. These guys just aren't emotionally aware enough to know that they have problems besides whether or not a woman will sleep with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 11:32 PM
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Falling in love with someone instantly just because she's pretty isn't a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 11:29 PM
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Yeah. I'm 42 and 28 is pretty much my floor now. I'd consider earlier twenties for a casual partner but I'm not putting any effort into making that happen. Chemistry and conversation are important to me even outside a relationship and the maturity just isn't there with younger women mostly. And 18-19? Literal children. No thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 07:07 PM
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Are you functionally illiterate? Incapable of understanding metaphor? It's not reluctant enjoyment, it's that people who aren't emotionally stunted children realize there's way more to attraction and even physical chemistry than just looks. Great sex for the long term is about connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 06:44 PM
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A closeted cuckold.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 05:00 PM
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Couldn't even get them to fuck him more than once, apparently, if the vast majority were first encounters. Can you imagine the emptiness of fucking that many people once and not building the familiarity to have really great sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 04:58 PM
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especially since they spend most of their waking hours worried about which men want to have sex with them, and how far those men will go to get it Bro what the fuck are you talking about? It's this kind of stuff that makes it sound like you've never actually talked to a woman. They think about lots of things besides men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 04:31 PM
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They probably like women and aren't seething with resentment, for starters. Being genuinely fun and kind goes a long way.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 04:26 PM
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Source: numbers I just pulled out of my ass
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 04:24 PM
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You've bought a made up story that this is the only way hookups happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 04:23 PM
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You're talking to small children who want to just eat candy for every meal
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 04:19 PM
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Or you grow the fuck up and learn that broccoli is also delicious if you cook it right and dessert isn't the only good or even the tastiest part of a meal.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 04:18 PM
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OP made a blanket statement about women. Their answers are pretty relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 04:08 PM
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I'm 50 pounds heavier than when I was pretty lean (220 to 270) and women still wanna fuck me. You've conducted a fantasy in your head that doesn't match the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 04:06 PM
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It's not profound. You just don't understand that looks aren't the only thing that makes someone attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 03:44 PM
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The answers to this question are in the screenshots but I don't think you're capable of understanding them. The benchmarks for husbands are actually higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 03:42 PM
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You should read the parts of your screenshots that aren't highlighted where they talk about the other ways they're attracted to long term partners. I'm gonna take a wild guess that like a lot of guys in this sub the only thing you think matters about a woman is her looks (and probably youth and "fertility") so you really can't imagine what deeper kinds of attraction and connection might be like or how they could be better than just attraction to someone's looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 03:36 PM
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Bro you just sounds like you have a cuckold fetish. This is a weird way to talk about all this. You don't know what kind of physical chemistry anyone has because that's actually not just about looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 03:25 PM
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I'm tall and good looking and also fun, interesting, and kind and women mostly don't want casual with me unless they're poly. I'm 42 though. I don't know who all these people supposedly having tons of FWB are bc it's not me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 03:23 PM
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Lol this is exactly what all the "10% of men get all the women" bullshit is all about. Women attractive enough to be able to get sex with the men they're attracted to with any kind of consistency is the top like 20% at most of women. You're obsessed with Stacys and complaining that Chads get all the women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 03:18 PM
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I consume my share of porn and did not know that name offhand. Y'all's brains have been completely fucking cooked by the Internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 06:52 PM
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I mean that just seems like the absolute bare minimum expectation for doing that job. Repeatedly being an asshole to someone you open doors for is a great reason to get fired as a doorman imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 06:44 PM
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That is probably a thing that happens sometimes but mostly it's a story men tell themselves to avoid the fact that they're selfish, shitty partners and terrible in bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 06:40 PM
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Bisexual but heteroromantic is a thing
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 11:11 PM
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Not meant as a dunk: "up ringing" - do you know the word is "upbringing"? I assumed this is a typo but then realized this is totally something someone could mishear and never realize it lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 03:44 PM
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He didn't make an argument, he spun a fantasy scenario. But sure, I wasn't specific in my criticism. "to supply every man in the "1st world" with a wife" This just is dehumanizing language. We just need to tap a new supply of wives, guys! No concept of finding someone you actually have chemistry and connection with, just a wife supply. "but there are beautiful women in Venezuela living off 2k a year who would marry that American man tomorrow" And reinforced here. Just go to a country where peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 04:38 PM
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Buddy it's not about y'all getting access to dating or sex too easily, it's that the way you talk about women is gross and weird. Like even just this post right here, you clearly don't think of women from any country as real people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 03:39 AM
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Western women travel to Africa and Turkey to find "better" husbands than they can get at home?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 03:29 AM
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Yes that study has been wildly misinterpreted but the real crazy thing is I came across a reminder recently that at the time that data was collected a 4+ rating would notify the person that you were into them, so even that data on 80% of men being below average is bullshit. Re-reading that blog post is like taking a reverse red pill or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 03:01 AM
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Be interesting and interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 02:49 AM
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Buddy have you actually talked to women? Lots of them do not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 02:46 AM
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No problem! It's a fun exercise trying to really think through it. Semi-random question: what's your experience of PIV with him vs other partners? How much of a given sexual encounter it is (like duration), how it feels, whether and when you orgasm?
/r/seduction15/08/25 05:31 PM
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Okay fair! That just caught my attention and it's odd to imagine someone assuming I'd been with hundreds of women! lol I started a list that was very quickly getting large. I can go into more detail if you want but the actual tldr (I hope) is I make women feel comfortable I communicate well I'm very interested in my partner's pleasure I'm patient and like taking my time: generally, with foreplay, teasing, etc. Relatedly, when I take my time I know how to use lots of kinds of touch to make a woma…
/r/seduction14/08/25 10:00 PM
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Basically if he's too good in bed? Or is it more specific than that? I've blown some minds and ruined some lives (not literally but definitely been told they couldn't imagine sex getting better after me) and I'm pretty sure I'm still under 50 (at 42 years old; not nothing but not a crazy pace). That's still a lot to some people but it feels odd to think someone might assume I've slept with hundreds of women.
/r/seduction13/08/25 04:19 PM
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Innumeracy and lack of basic statistical understanding seems to be a big problem for a group that claims to be big on logic and evidence. One man cannot be representative of basically any size group of people, let alone "high value men", which depending how you count is probably in the millions just in the US. Even if it were somehow only hundreds he still would not be representative.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 11:12 PM
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It's repeatedly claimed that age gaps used to be super common and marrying very young women (i.e. girls) used to be normal. Someone should be able to cite marriage stats from a previous period, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 11:10 PM
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The many RP dudes on here who cite one example as proof of broad trends or wildly misinterpret a study they read an anecdote about one time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 11:07 PM
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BuT mEn ArE mOrE lOgIcAl
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 11:06 PM
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A single example of something does not prove shit. Red pillers who want to claim to cite evidence really need to take a gd statistics course. And it shows the reality that high value men [...] its common for them Nope! One example by definition cannot show what's common! So just looking at stats which show older men and young women marriages aren't common is not sufficient to say young women aren't attracted to older men, or that they aren't pursuing them. Has anyone said this never happens?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 11:04 PM
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It really doesn't. You cite an n of 1 as proof of a trend.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 11:00 PM
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All of your first paragraph would apply just as much to men and a single woman who hasn't even fucking left her husband is not indicative of some general tendency in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 10:58 PM
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In conclusion, marriage: a land of contrasts!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 10:56 PM
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If this were true it wouldn't matter who you're having sex with. You have sex with your one partner for a couple decades, you build tolerance to oxytocin, and eventually you're no longer bonded to them? This is all just pseudo-science to slut-shame women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 10:55 PM
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Do you agree with those ideas about Chad? I think that accurately represents the viewpoint of a bunch of dudes here but I think they're making up stories about the world without any real basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 10:45 PM
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Not sure if this is what u/LillthOfBabylon is referring to here but the common complaint I've seen is that dudes want a woman to be insanely attracted to them immediately, just feral for them based on looks, that that's the only kind of physical attraction that matters, that only Chad gets that. I would say I also want to be desired for who I am, but having had women be insanely attracted to me right away I can tell you those aren't the same thing. It actually feels kind of alienating when I fee…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 10:41 PM
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It's kinda funny that y'all think being obsessed with video games counts as a personality but being able to converse and her along with people doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 01:52 AM
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And I know lots of women with lots of hobbies that aren't those.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 01:46 AM
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Some things are cliche because they're true. The OP literally said "it shows that the top percentile men are literally dating all the women" but the men are clearly not all top percentile men. And if you did actually go outside you could see couples of all different attractiveness levels. There are in fact average men dating very attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 01:34 AM
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Can't believe no one has explained to you that it's actually just because those partners don't have 8 inch dicks or look like Chad. If they did your friends would be love having sex with them. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 12:25 AM
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If you read the follow-up comments it turns out she didn't even kick him out. He chose to sleep in the couch because she was mad.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 12:22 AM
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I was looking into this a little today and got reminded that on OKC at the time a 4 or 5 rating would notify the person that you liked them. Like come the fuck on. That is not even remotely "a study".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 12:18 AM
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Pretty sure that's no longer true in most cases
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 03:38 PM
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So fucking what? The dudes aren't "top 20%" or whatever. They're average. Women are not all exclusively fighting over the same tiny pool of dudes, which is something anyone who goes outside on a regular basis and talks to real people could tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 03:26 PM
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There is no evidence of gender differences. Did you intuitively know this? Because this isn't what I typically hear from the black/red pill crowd.
/r/BlackPillScience02/08/25 07:29 PM
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Also shitty in bed, which is probably the bigger and more specific problem. For example.
/r/BlackPillScience02/08/25 07:27 PM
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Not villains, but often shitty partners.
/r/BlackPillScience02/08/25 07:23 PM
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Very possibly, yes!
/r/BlackPillScience02/08/25 07:20 PM
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They're not talking to potential mates though, they're explicitly in a research study environment. Maybe they just know that women get shamed for having sex?
/r/BlackPillScience02/08/25 07:13 PM
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It really doesn't. People will go to great lengths to avoid rare but shitty outcomes. A woman who's had this happen once, or knows someone it happened to, or knows someone who knows someone, might use an app like this just because they don't want to be in that position.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 10:28 PM
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Do you have any hard numbers on how often that happens? The fact that it has happened doesn't mean shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 10:24 PM
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Are a majority of young men complaining about having no dating options or is it a majority of young men in the specific online spaces you spend time?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 10:24 PM
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Do you think women want someone who dropped their standards to "get access to a woman"? Have you seen the myriad threads on this site about how men don't want a partner isn't absolutely feral for him and thinks he's the sexiest thing they've ever seen?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 09:23 PM
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Multiple women I've talked about therapy with have said that they need to have a buffer scheduled after their sessions because therapy can be really tough and leave them really raw for a bit after. I'm the odd one relatively because I'm normally fine and just go straight back to work after. You really just have no idea wtf you're talking about here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 12:20 AM
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Women are nearly twice as likely as men to use therapy. You can't conclude it's not working for men when they're mostly not trying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 12:16 AM
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It's amazing the range of things dudes in this sub will very confidently opine on but have absolutely zero direct experience or knowledge of.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 12:09 AM
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lol impeccable sources, man
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 12:00 AM
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I guess it depends what country you're in but I only really see women praised for being virgins in online spaces like this. I sure as shit don't want to date a virgin at this point in my life. I want a woman who knows what the fuck she's doing in bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 11:48 PM
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Or dudes who are convinced that the stripper really likes him. Or pig butchering catfish scams. Imagine thinking that men aren't manipulated by confidence scams.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 11:34 PM
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Lol whatever, prude.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 12:38 AM
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Speak for yourself, homes. I've never had this issue and it frankly sounds insane to me. Find someone you're compatible with, build trust and communication, and the really sex will come. Your teaching insecurity and obsession with her sexual history is a great way to make a woman uncomfortable with you, sexually or otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 12:35 AM
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That happens rarely outside of this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 12:31 AM
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Reading this sub is like entering an alternate reality. Just full of sweeping, confident statements that bear no similarity to the reality I'm familiar with. Guess I'm a high n hookup guy (aside from a number of long term relationships lol) but I absolutely don't fucking want a traditional, innocent girl with little experience. I want someone who's as fun and confident in bed as I am and knows what she wants and likes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 12:29 AM
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You've got nothing but reciting shibboleths like a manosphere NPC.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 12:24 AM
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You think that all women want short hair, shaved (face?), polo shirt, and khakis? Ummm... what? It's assuming how little some men in this sub understand women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 11:31 PM
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What about this post is shaming? I think it's pointing out that a lot of the views expressed in this sub are driven by insecurity rather than a reasonable assessment of reality. RP men here mostly don't seem to be expressing their vulnerabilities, they're venting those insecurities as "women are all ____". It's totally normal and understandable to have insecurities but allowing those to cloud your view of the world and dating is what's going to to keep you from finding love and partnership. OP i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 09:59 PM
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Okey dokey, well whatever you can do to stop thinking that influencers or your algorithmic feed are in any way representative of real life, do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 03:12 AM
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Did you forget your logged into your sock puppet or is the flair just trolling?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 03:10 AM
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Maybe you should log off for a bit and stop basing your view of the world on social media?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:58 AM
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People regularly just confidently say things in this sub that to me are just completely detached from reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:51 AM
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Yeah, still completely out of touch with reality. Maybe you're going for a very specific kind of woman? People have thought I'm fit at a variety of weights and when I've definitely been going to the gym less than all the time. The last woman I dated, who was a very regular gym goer and had a great body, loved my body even though I'm currently 40-50 pounds above what I consider lean. Write part of that off to genetics but no one needs to be at the gym all the time unless maybe your "desired mate"…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:50 AM
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I think you might have missed the point of rule two. It's not just a funny restatement of rule one.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:42 AM
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Uh... what?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:37 AM
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They would both be almost 80 except Dworkin died twenty years ago. Do you know anything about feminism that wasn't gleaned from AM radio in the 90s?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 12:38 AM
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"pressing x to doubt" Jfc log off and go touch grass. You've got first degree Internet brain poisoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 12:33 AM
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I think it would be similar to the pretty well established idea that a lot of men only think they need a conventionally attractive—and especially skin—woman because of what it says about them and their status as opposed to what they're attracted to. Makes sense!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 12:02 AM
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Literally would not even occur to me to include this in a discussion of previous experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 10:55 PM
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Buddy, "fooling around" without genitals coming out is something most people wouldn't even think to mention in this line of conversation. Should I include the girl I kissed in eighth grade on my partner rundown too. If this causes a crash out for you you're the one who's extremely outside the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 10:54 PM
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Single and getting plenty of women and I only fucked your mother the one time, I didn't marry her.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 12:29 AM
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You're going to die alone and it's going to be entirely your fault, but I doubt you'll take accountability for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 11:23 PM
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This sub is full of men daily rejecting the idea that their personalities or attitudes toward women have anything to do with their dating success.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 11:19 PM
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90% of this subreddit every day is dudes complaining that society is rigged against them and everyone is lying about it and advice like "hey have you tried treating women like people?" is gaslighting or something. Come the fuck on.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 11:07 PM
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No, although significantly more women give head than men and plenty of women can tell you about relationships where they were expected to give blowjobs but they guy refused to go down on them. That's all part of it but there are two other big problems: Men tend to be worse partners and leave more work of all kinds to women who are then more stressed and don't want sex "Standard" hetero sex involves relatively minimal foreplay and then PIV until the man gets off at which point it's over and the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 07:18 PM
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"You’re reading the joke literally and saying oh it’s not everything single word they say." No, like I was legit bad with women. I was not hilarious at all and only maybe charming with someone I was already comfortable with. The biggest problem you have with women is that in order to validate your self-pitying worldview you reject the idea that anyone else is able to perceive, understand, and be honest about their own experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 04:48 PM
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Okay let me spell it out for you: I'm tall and conventionally attractive but I was insecure and often uncharismatic until like my 30s. Everything I said was not hilarious and charming. Then I grew and got more comfortable with myself in a bunch of ways and became actually somewhat charismatic and the difference with women is enormous. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 03:40 PM
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Not a woman, chief. I meant both sides of charisma. It is absolutely not just about being attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 01:36 PM
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When you blanket apply that to all single women over 30 (or sometimes younger!) people can tell what you're really looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 01:17 PM
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What if there were some secret third type of man?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 12:56 PM
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Which studies scientifically proved this?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 12:50 PM
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Been on both sides of this and it is absolutely false.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 12:45 PM
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Not a woman, sport, and the comment I saw about looking like a male model was that some of you could sooner achieve that than improve your personality, which you continue demonstrating. It was a burn, doofus. If you're committed to telling a bunch of women that they're lying about lusting over average guys then you are absolutely never going to make the changes required to be attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 12:42 PM
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Being attractive doesn't matter if you have no charisma.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 12:37 PM
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Other factors being personality, chemistry, and connection? It's more authentic if it's just about your looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 12:34 PM
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Speak only for yourself, bro. Gay men have pretty high standards! When one of them tells me I'm hot it's flattening. Of course, I'm big and tall so I'm not afraid that I can't handle the attention or will be assaulted, which is maybe what you don't get about women's experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 11:52 AM
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It's really something watching a bunch of terminally online dudes telling women they're wrong Annie what makes them horny.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 11:46 AM
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Dawg internet men flipped their shit over seeing Sydney Sweeney without makeup. The fuck are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 10:41 PM
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Nah, it's more that most men are godawful at turning women on.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 10:31 PM
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And I don't use my dick for those missionary orgasms, it's just grinding with my pubic mound. Pretty much anyone could do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 09:52 PM
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Okay, so you've decided that even though women very widely claim that very few women cum from PIV sex alone you know that really they all could if they just found a dick big enough, even though you yourself do not have a large penis? Not sure if I said this yet but you really need to get the fuck off the internet, stop thinking so much about other dudes' dicks, and just focus on ways you can make sex pleasurable for you and your partner, if you manage to find one who can tolerate your insecurity…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 09:51 PM
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That just sounds like an all around weird and fucked up situation. I'm sorry that happened to you but that's not normal for dating! Try not to take too much away from it aside from that one woman was a mess.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 06:04 PM
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"If you continue behaving like this, you will stay a virgin" - behaving like what? I have a hard time believing that your behavior was "lack of romantic experience".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 09:30 PM
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If you think women only offer "intimacy, beauty, and sexual access" you're kind of inherently only going to find women who want something transactional. Cuz I mean, you're not offering depth or respect or real partnership, you better be providing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 09:22 PM
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You think I couldn't possibly know what it is about me that turns women on, you call women who make similar claims that they've had average guys who are amazing in bed, you're really just determined to deny the validity of anything that contradicts your self-pitying worldview. I can tell you you're not bad in bed because of the size of your dick, it's your shitty personality and your raging insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 09:14 PM
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Do you know that 8 inches is like 99.99th percentile? 1/1000 men at most are that large. This is really just your whole thing, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 09:09 PM
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When my sex said I ruined sex for her because how could it be better than this it was my fingers inside her, not my dick, making her cum in a way she never had before. Most of the orgasms I gave her didn't involve my dick at all. We just had insane physical chemistry and intimacy. On the first date we had an insanely sexy first kiss and then a good makeout on the street before we parted, and on the second date I ate her out and made her ask permission to cum (probably more than once) and that po…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 09:04 PM
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If you decide that anyone who says something contradicting your worldview is lying how would you ever know if you're wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:52 PM
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Is this some kind of kink posting? If you're serious you need to get off the internet immediately and do a porn detox. I'm right in that size range and women think I'm huge. Dudes with much smaller dicks have "a chance". JFC.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:50 PM
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You're replying to one specific woman. You should not do anything, let alone give up trying dates or sex, based on her answer to this question.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:44 PM
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No you're just deciding the one answer that fits your existing beliefs is the only honest one and then making up a story to justify it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:43 PM
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I'm big enough to hit my ex's G spot well in a couple different positions but when she came during sex it was mostly when *I* came, which was really hot and entirely a chemistry/her thing*. Women are all different and when PIV orgasms happen they're mostly not just because the guy is the right size. *(or when I rubbed my thumb on her clit; it got to the point that just seeing me lick my thumb got her super turned on)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:41 PM
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Yeah, unfortunately the bar for being good at sex as a man is not that high.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:36 PM
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oh my fucking god you need to take a break from the internet. You have made your size insecurity your entire personality and worldview. One woman saying size matters for her to have vaginal orgasms is a sample size of one; it says nothing about "most women". As someone with a larger than average dick that multiple women have called "beautiful" I can tell you that isn't what satisfies the women I sleep with and when my last girlfriend said "I think you ruined sex for me; how could it be better th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:33 PM
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If you're giving her great sex who the fuck cares about some hypothetical other guy? Women aren't going around like "sure the sex is fantastic and we have a great time together but what if I can find someone a half inch larger??"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:26 PM
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No. You've got a bunch of women in here saying that good dick means good sex. And personal experience I can tell you as a man who's dickmatized some women that chemistry and foreplay have a huge impact on how PIV feels and their takeaway is the whole experience, not just the oral.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:20 PM
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Personality of course matters but not in early stages of dating Bro wtf are you talking about. Arguably, maybe it applies less to getting dates but for most women from the first date onward personality is essential.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 07:57 PM
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Pro tip: relationships are actually better for getting good at sex than sleeping around a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 05:35 PM
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You're living in a fantasy world of your own making
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 05:12 PM
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Totally missed my point! I go to the gym for me. I enjoy working out and I like feeling fit and healthy. It's a nice bonus that many women are attracted to fit guys but it's not the point. It's the same reason that I like cooking, reading, playing music (or at least trying to learn), biking, etc. etc. I also like going out to places with live music and dancing which is a decent way to encounter women but also not the reason I go! Video games are fine but I barely ever play them. If you think tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 04:54 PM
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The misogynist group was only 8%. So what?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 02:10 PM
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Or maybe they avoid the gaming spaces you're in because you're a miserable asshole to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 03:40 PM
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Bro what. The gym is basically the last place I want to pick anyone up because that is my place.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 03:36 PM
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The best dating advice anyone can apply is be interested and interesting and buddy, it's very possible nobody wants to fuck you because you're genuinely interested in literally nothing. Honestly you should probably talk to someone about whether you have depression because what you describe is not normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 03:34 PM
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Bro that sounds absolutely miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 03:00 PM
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Because you think that only women value connection and feelings and men just want sex and so you're going to be lonely and sad and whining on Reddit about The Problem With Women for probably the rest of your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 06:51 PM
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men are - on average - driven by cold logic rather than emotion You think that but you're actually just repressed and you end up expressing most of it as anger and resentment–which are emotions!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 06:45 PM
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I have lots of female friends. I literally do not recognize the world you're describing. I also hug my bros all the time though so it may just be the sad, small world you guys are living in that's the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 06:42 PM
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WTF are you talking about? Both sides of a genuine connection benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 06:32 PM
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Distribution matters also here, no? Can't speak for women on this sub but I would say women generally don't prefer significantly men but most prefer not to date someone who is younger < 5 years is not a significant gap once you're like 25 People are a lot more likely to be partnered in their late 20s vs early 20s so women 25-29 partnered with men 3-5 years older than them could easily contribute a significant amount of that gap in Pew's data.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 07:58 PM
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Doubt it! That's kind of meaningless without a more granular distribution. I think we can assume it's largely not the <20 year olds dating 30+ year old men. Odds of marriage or cohabitation go up pretty significantly over your twenties, so I'd bet money a huge chunk of that is women 25-29 partnered with men 3-5 years older. I've certainly seen a preference among women for men who are not younger than them but that doesn't mean they want to date 10+ years older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 07:52 PM
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But also, just as a trivial example, if 30% of women in their 20s prefer dating men 5-10 years older then it could be true that both 1) more men than women are single in their 20s because of women dating older men AND 2) most women don't date significantly older men and the typical age gap is two years or less.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 07:43 PM
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College age women can be hot, but probably "prime" is later than that. Your personal preferences are your own! And young looking 18-19 year olds look young af and you're kidding yourself if you think everyone is into that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 11:02 PM
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That's a you thing, big dog. I think 18 year olds can be attractive but it's not the ones that look obviously young. And that's just online; frankly in person almost anyone college age looks young to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 03:14 PM
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"pedo" is extreme but there really can be a big development gap over 5 years at that age.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 02:56 PM
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Almost nobody considers 40 to 29 predatory. Source: am a man with progressive female friends who's dated late 20s women at 40-42. I'd probably get a could eye rolls if I got into a LTR with one of them but nobody thinks it's actually predatory. Edit to add an important additional point: I don't only date 20-somethings. A couple happened to be but I mostly date women close to my age.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 02:52 PM
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This is painting with really broad and inaccurate brush. Men can be insecure about all kinds of things due to gender norms around masculinity, and assuming it's entirely about dick size is just counterproductive. Ironically, saying that's all just dick size reinforces the idea that women care a lot about dick size. Those things are all just on their own terms individually about being "man enough".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 09:28 PM
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I guess that sounds reasonable if you ignore the fact that there are perfectly good dudes who don't call women fat but have small dicks and have to listen to widespread reinforcement from women that that's a bad thing. When you make comments about Big Dick Energy you're not targeting it at dudes who call women fat or who obsess about dick size, ironically it's the exact opposite since it's typically a compliment. You're saying wow that guy is confident like he's got a big dick, reinforcing the i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 06:02 PM
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That example is terrible, but imagine if dudes started talking about women having "fat chick energy" or something and women go "wow, that's offensive and body shamey" and the response was "we're not literally saying you're fat, we're saying you act like someone who's insecure about her weight". Would you buy that?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 05:57 PM
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Look, I'm probably on your side on most of this stuff but I don't think whatever nuance you think is intended around BDE or "compensating for something" or whatever jokes is anywhere near as clear as you think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 04:16 PM
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Uh, no, women who are submissive in bed most definitely want that with long term partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 10:22 AM
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And a sample size of 1, which is worth fuck all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 04:49 AM
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Not sure I'm on board with every detail of OP but I think it's about managing expectations between dates, not showing less effort or interest. Have a great first date (or even earlier, write good first messages to matches on the apps) but keep in mind that until it's serious it could end at literally any moment and if you're invested early every time it's going to get demoralizing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 04:49 PM
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I doubt it, given the "knowledge" you've been displaying in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 05:58 AM
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Have fun not satisfying like 60% of women, I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 05:44 AM
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I have no idea. It's good for dudes who actually like women when a bunch of guys just remove themselves from competition like this but it's baffling.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 05:31 AM
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This is a weird form of trolling. Your life must be pretty sad if this actually seems worth the effort to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 05:29 AM
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And if you ever actually talked and listened to women you'd realize that's not at all true.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 05:26 AM
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Women like a dick once they establish a relationship with it. It's not rocket science. Like my last partner was OBSESSED with my dick, but definitely would not want duck pics from random dudes. Like she would giggle with satisfaction when she started blowing me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 05:03 AM
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I don't believe you have ever actually had sex
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 04:54 AM
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bro wtf are you talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 04:49 AM
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It's not a silver bullet. If you don't treat them like people and listen to what they say it doesn't do shit. He could've asked what was creepy about any of those situations but he only mentions his own assumptions about who seems normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 11:41 PM
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It's some men's observation. Claims like that are absolutely wild to me because that doesn't at all match the world I see. I know plenty of average, nice guys ending up in great relationships with great women. You might just be chasing very specific kinds of women or you're basing a lot of your worldview on internet content.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 03:29 AM
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Did you actually read those studies to know how they were designed, what they controlled for, and what they concluded, or are you just making something up to support your preferred position?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 03:12 AM
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Like I said, you don't actually understand BDSM. Degradation isn't inherent to an act, it depends on intent and effect. The point about safety is that people can play with degradation in a relationship or situation where they know they are actually valued and respected. That's completely different than the comment you were responding to when you brought up 50 Shades.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 03:08 AM
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Not when it's consensual and you clearly know nothing about BDSM. It's play and fantasy. Most people only do it with someone who makes them feel safe. You play with things like humiliation, degradation, punishment, and then very importantly you do aftercare to reestablish connection and value (poor explanation but something like that).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 04:25 AM
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Ohhhhh makes sense. Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 10:39 PM
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What's PPB?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 10:22 PM
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For sure! To be clear (and I think we're already on the same page about this?) I'm not suggesting that my hypothetical example would be settling overall. It was intended as a pushback on a RP idea I see fairly often here, and maybe upthread, that your partner should be the most attracted to you and sexually satisfied by you of everyone she's ever been with. You can't separate their hotness or great sex from the rest of the package if it wasn't the right fit, and conversely you can love the shit …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 11:58 PM
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Have you actually looked at the stats on this?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 02:05 AM
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So you also don't like the average woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 12:07 AM
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But also just there are a lot of factors that are important in choosing a partner! My last girlfriend was gorgeous and we had insane sexual chemistry and just general physical intimacy. Hands down best sex of both our lives. The relationship just didn't work though so I just have to live with the fact that whoever I end up with I will probably be settling to some extent. I've actually thought about a friend/situationship a couple years ago where if nothing else the timing was just bad (I was com…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 12:04 AM
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And just be aware that unlike some claims I've seen on this sub it's not immediately up front or never. Sometimes people need to get comfortable and passionate desire needs to be built.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 11:40 PM
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I was reading u/AellaGirl's substack series on how to be good at sex and there was one post in particular that kinda stuck with me. I'll probably describe it terrible but she said most men are werewolves, they're doing a performance to check all the boxes to get a woman into bed and then when the sex starts they turn into unthinking animals. The key though to be amazing at sex is to be a wolf all the time, so women can feel your desire radiating in a controlled way. Ideally it's not threatening …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 11:34 PM
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You literally responded to another thread that I made and said that when you travel to France you try to date guys and here you are claiming to be a HVM. That was a hypothetical scenario of a woman using Tinder before a vacation. That's why it's in quotes and I didn't just say it as myself. I'm a man. I’m not saying that women FEEL threatened by passportbros. What I am saying is that their position in the dating market is threatened. More passportbros=less men to take advantage of and less men w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 11:08 PM
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Bro vacation hookups are not even remotely the same thing and women have those too. You're fabricating a story you want to believe in.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 10:09 PM
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Yes, like "I'm going to France next month and want to set up a couple dates with cute French guys who will show me around". Certainly it includes PPBs but you have no evidence that an increase in the total says anything about PPB specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 09:48 PM
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You said women only dislike this "movement" because it threatens their position in the dating market. It's not even possibly threatening to me personally and I'm telling you there are still plenty of reasons to criticize it. That's all! Your post is delusional because it claims that a whole lot of things are widespread that just aren't. You think OnlyFans income significantly affects the average woman's view of dating? Yikes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 09:47 PM
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Thinking that girls making significant OF income are a significant segment of the dating market is a surefire indicator.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 09:18 PM
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Any gender and any overseas country. It doesn't say western men are looking for non-Western women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 09:10 PM
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This would include anything like US women looking in France for a possible upcoming vacation. It doesn't at all support your theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 09:09 PM
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I have literally never heard anyone talk about passport bros except online, mostly reddit. This is not a significant "movement".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 08:54 PM
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Most of the phenomena in the OP, Passport Bros and OnlyFans Girls in particular, are minuscule relative to the overall population and they're the kinds of things that only seem relevant to dating if your beliefs about women are formed almost entirely online.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 08:51 PM
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Can you cite even one example of this happening? I swear the most deranged RP takes like this are "I saw something on the internet once and I'm going to project it onto all women because I'm mad about my dating life". Like OP and anyone citing OnlyFans girls, a tiny fraction of women in any country, as somehow being relevant to dating more generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 08:48 PM
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I'm a high value man with no trouble dating, I think passport bros are pathetic and gross (morally; I have no idea what they look like), and your post is delusional and completely disconnected from the real world I see. What now?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 08:45 PM
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Maybe try therapy instead? It sounds like you're setting yourself and anyone unfortunate enough to date you up for a lifetime of disappointment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 10:46 PM
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What is your non-anecdotal evidence? An OKC post from a decade ago? If you just decide that any number of couples doesn't count as evidence because she's secretly unhappy and thinking about cheating you're just telling yourself the story you've decided to believe. Don't act like you're being evidence-based or rational about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 09:57 PM
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Different people find different things attractive, it turns out.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 06:41 AM
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Though I'd also argue if men were given the option of lower socioeconomic women, many would opt for them. And the best example of this are the passport bros, Not disproving my theory that red pill views are formed almost entirely online. Bro, passport bros are a tiny fucking niche, not a useful example of what Men writ large care about or prefer.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 06:32 AM
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You can just, like, go out in the world and observe real live couples at all different levels of attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 06:26 AM
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From all women I have ever met offline who have complaints about dating they will hyper focus on physical attraction where any man that isn’t a male model is seen as grotesque by them. If these is even remotely true and not completely made up then you know an incredibly weird sample of women. I know plenty of women frustrated with dating who have gladly dated plenty of average looking guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 06:08 AM
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"friendless", "socially awkward", "creepy and rude" are all personality and character descriptors.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 06:03 AM
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Most people are unfamiliar with sample bias and it shows.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 06:29 PM
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This is maybe true if you understand that attractiveness to women usually includes being confident and fun to be around. It's not just height and looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 06:17 PM
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I think you've got a decent point but you're making it really confusingly. I replied to a few people with what I think is the important part if you want to give those a read.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 06:11 PM
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Sounds like saying “people who work out routinely, get results.”. OP writes so confusingly and is so all over the place in his replies I'm not even sure he knows it but there's a kernel of an insightful point in the second and third to last paragraphs and your fitness analogy kinda works. Many dudes would like to be fit. Unfortunately most don't enjoy working out, or think they won't, so they do it inconsistently or not at all, when they do work out they half ass it, and so of course their resul…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 06:10 PM
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Negative, Ghostrider. I'm 6'4" and people tell me I'm super attractive. I was socially awkward and unconfident with women for a long time. Figuring myself out in my 30s and gaining confidence to where I could just have fun and be myself on dates made a night and day difference in my dating and sex life.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 05:59 PM
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Nah. "Entertain women" is the wrong way to describe it. I just go on dates with a goal of having a good time and no expectations about having sex at any particular point or jumping into a relationship. Women pick up on that, they have a good time, and they feel safe. When they think you're confident and fun and they feel safe with you, that's when the freak flag gets run up the flag pole.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 05:56 PM
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There's a low key insightful point buried in the second and third to last paragraphs. I don't spend enough time here to know if it's commonly accepted but it's not just "men who want sex date a lot". The guys that are sexually motivated enough and seem to enjoy entertaining and the company of women are also guys that solve dating. They also tend to be less picky and like lots of types of girls. [...] Women who date, pick and have the most fun with guys who really want girls physically and emotio…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 05:50 PM
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It's a struggle sometimes with a little under 7. 8.5 would be terrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 05:38 PM
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It's a whole lot rarer than that. Most women do not actually want 8".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 05:37 PM
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In the last six years I've had exclusive relationships of ten months, eleven months, and the end of an eight year relationship. Only one involved regular location sharing and that definitely wasn't a month or two in.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 06:16 PM
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I've never shared locations with someone a month into dating and I don't know anyone who has. Women's friends probably don't want them dating you because they think you're an insecure, controlling creep.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 04:48 PM
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There is real treatment for victims of sexual assault and definitely for PTSD. Hitting the gym is great but it doesn't cure that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 11:29 PM
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When you go to a doctor you get cured of your ailment. Well that's just false. Some conditions are cured, some are just managed for life, and sometimes doctors just aren't able to help! Plenty of people with chronic conditions have been failed by the health care system.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 11:25 PM
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You thought Daniel Craig Bond was effeminate? Jesus tap dancing Christ.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 04:17 PM
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It's incredible. Chuds will develop an entire worldview and taxonomy of different Types of Guys and then insist women are all the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 10:05 PM
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Who I choose as a romantic partner and what kind of women are the most beautiful in some general sense are not the same question. You're flip flopping back and forth in your own reply. Attraction is about more than just beauty and partnership is about way more than just attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 10:01 PM
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Yeah, self reflection is for losers. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 06:43 PM
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Not even remotely true! Personal experience: most women love a man who's confident and will tell them no when needed. Like, a dominant but sensitive man is a wildly popular fantasy. My recent ex actually got super turned on when I told her no at the right times and in the right way and we're still on good terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 05:58 PM
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Speak for yourself. I've got plenty of options when I'm single, and last I was sleeping with a 27 year old and a 40 year, both attractive and decently fit, I chose to date the 40 year old.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 05:21 PM
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Redditors are not a random sample of normal people, especially in certain. I can't imagine any of my forty something friends saying shit like that. Just because you saw someone say that here doesn't make it a common belief.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 05:18 PM
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Men who say they're not attracted to youth are lying? Is it hard to imagine different people are attracted to different things?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 05:13 PM
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It's amazing that it's incomprehensible to some of you that different people are attracted to different things
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 05:12 PM
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Women tell each other that! If you date one abuser that's terrible and fuck him. If you consistently date men who are awful in the same way you should reconsider how you're picking men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 04:52 PM
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It's not. It's entry level data analysis and proof that statistics should be a required course in school. It doesn't matter that he doesn't know, the point is that "women one guy has dated" is a small and very biased sample. Your dating experience can't tell you shit about most women, only the kind of women you've dated.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 04:50 PM
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She's got pretty eyes and a great smile, looks confident and fun, and some guys like bigger girls. Yeah the gender imbalance on the apps isn't great but a lot of guys who talk like this don't realize they're miserable people to hang out with and that comes across in dating profiles.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 12:40 AM
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Bullet points, man. Ain't nobody reading all that. This thing is so long it needs a table of contents.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 05:56 PM
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Man, I was already pretty great at it when I found that video but still picked up at least a couple great tricks. Massaging the clit through her outer lips (I think she called it "how you jerk her off") and then experimenting with variations on that alone was worth the price of admission.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 11:25 PM
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If you think there aren't other really important ways to show and measure desire than sex, odds are she's not. She might just not tell you that!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 11:17 PM
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There are definitely problems with the modern dating experience but RP is largely reacting to an incredibly online caricature of reality. I know tons of average couples in more or less happy relationships and reading RPer descriptions of women and dating like your last bullet feels like reading science fiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 11:12 PM
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It's so incredibly porn-brained. Some of these guys are very specifically obsessed with cucking in a very weird way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 10:34 PM
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Speak for yourself. There are certain things I'm specifically into but sex for me is different with every partner I've had. That's one of the fun things about it! Learning how to be with someone new and what you both like. Kind of an inverse example here but I've had anal sex once with a girlfriend years ago who suggested it. It was... fine? I haven't particularly cared at all about trying it again. With my current girlfriend, though, we've done some light anal play and given the way she reacts …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 10:32 PM
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Oh man. I feel bad for your wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 10:24 PM
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That is absolutely not all men and thinking about your relationship that way is ironically a great way to NOT make your woman horny for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 10:23 PM
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Insecure men and specifically men who have been internet brain-poisoned into thinking that men and women are wildly different and women with more than three partners will never "pair bond".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 10:09 PM
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coooooope
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 10:02 PM
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I mean, you're the one with a fixation on getting cucked by black guys. You couldn't possibly offend me because you don't seem to know anything about the real world, let alone anything about me. "The future of ENM" is having a threesome with two gorgeous women bc my girlfriend has basically been begging to watch me fuck another woman but I'll definitely think about how much of a cuck I am while I'm getting blown by two women at once. Enjoy your life obsessing about whether a woman you're sleepin…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 09:47 PM
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"it's well known" lolol Man, you need to get off the internet and touch grass immediately. That is one of the most ignorantly porn-brained things I've ever read. If you think ENM is all interracial cuck shit that's purely a function of your viewing habits.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 09:19 PM
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I didn't say anything about it. You just started asking questions about BBC. Very weird!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 08:00 PM
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That's just like, your opinion, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 07:59 PM
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That 'data' has nothing to do with the supposed logical inference I was talking about and also the NIH disagrees with you. https://preview.redd.it/dhy1lej428ce1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dbe4b5d5e3aa387f08c93016166c4cb030b0dcc7
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 07:58 PM
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There are a whole lot of women in the world and the small slice you attract are not a representative sample.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 07:51 PM
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What you're imagining about what I'm advocating is a caricature. Being safe isn't the same thing as being a pushover. Be kind and safe but also confident and assertive about your needs and boundaries and women will want to do all the freaky shit with you their inner sluts can think of.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 07:49 PM
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lol what? Sounds like your insecurities go VERY deep, bro. When I'm dating nonmonogamously I don't worry about who my other partners are sleeping with. I have conversations with them about safe sex practices but aside from that I just focus on our dates and sex and making them as good as possible. Literally don't know and don't care if they're also seeing well hung black guys. If that's the first thing on YOUR mind.. yikes!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 07:47 PM
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What do you mean women don't like to have banter first? What do they like? Banter is literally just casual conversation with someone you just met.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 07:40 PM
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Some do and some don't. The ones that demand that tend to be more conservative. Don't date them if that's not what you're looking for. Some want the man to plan the first date just to verify you're the kind of guy who can and will and then are happy to plan the next date. Women are not a monolith, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 07:37 PM
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All just to get sex. Well there's your first problem. Most women want sex the most from people who don't obviously just want sex from them. Some of the best dating advice ever is be interested and interesting. Try to actually enjoy interacting with people. Women can generally tell when you're just going through the motions to try to get your dick wet and it's not attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 07:33 PM
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You sound like someone who is young and got half your knowledge about women from the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 06:49 PM
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iTs A lOgIcAl InFeReNcE No it's not. It's an ideological assumption. Plenty of "regular guys" actually manage to get good, casual sex when they're young because they're able to treat women like people. The world is not divided into fuckboys who get freaky sex and regular guys who get nothing. Try working on being comfortable with yourself and not viewing women as objects or aliens you're trying to get sex and personal validation from. Getting to really know and like myself is the best change I e…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 06:48 PM
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Maybe try being someone who's safe to be open and vulnerable with instead of an insecure dweeb looking for gotcha moments.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 06:36 PM
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You're making a big assumption that performing a specific sex act is solely dependent on inhibition or lack thereof.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 06:32 PM
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Or maybe she did it with partners because she thought she had to to keep men happy and now she respects herself more and doesn't do things in bed she doesn't enjoy anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 06:18 PM
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Because you've got an incredibly immature view of relationships. People change with age, learn things from and are affected by their relationships, and will handle different relationships differently over time. I think I've had three or four different girlfriends marry the next guy they dated after me and the only thing that says is that their next relationship was a different relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 06:15 PM
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You can choose this pathetic loser interpretation or you can realize that most people mature with age and make better decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 05:50 PM
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"that means you're settling for the current one" - this is a wild and unproven assumption. Maybe she did wild adventurous shit because she had low self esteem and thought she needed to to get attention. Maybe she did like the adventurous stuff but has hangups about sex and thinks you're not supposed to do those things in a good, wholesome relationship. Maybe she'd want to do those things with you except you're an insecure dweeb who judges and makes wild assumptions about her sexual history.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 05:45 PM
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Yeah, supposedly above average man here and I have no idea wtf OP is talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 09:59 PM
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Factory jobs aren't inherently skilled. A lot of them weren't and so easily automatable. Also crazy to think that service industry jobs are inherently unskilled. The key difference is really just the union part. Low-skill factory workers had to unionize to get wages.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 10:01 PM
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Also I'd really like to know what variables that study controlled for. A college student living off student loans or mom and dad might be bottom 5% and also very understandably childless.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 09:56 PM
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Most men on the parts of the internet your personally visit. You don't know shit about most women in their 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 09:43 PM
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I don't care if you're married or not, you sound like you get 95% of your information about women from the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 09:42 PM
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This post has a very "I get all my information about women from the internet and specifically porn" vibe to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 09:37 PM
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It might not feel like it when you're young but high school isn't real life either, and "popular" is incredibly subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 04:37 AM
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Ah yeah that's a bit different. My gf is kinda like that. Everything at all difficult feels like being blamed. Not great! I'm sorry you're dealing with that. It doesn't make sense at all but it's an emotional reaction triggered by past stress or trauma.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 09:02 PM
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Well that's a load of shit you just made up
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 05:18 PM
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Anger and crying really aren't the same at all though, and you say it has zero to do with him but is that clear in the moment? Can you say that you're not taking it out on him at all? Being with someone who reacts to insecurity or frustration by getting angry or upset frequently leads to feeling like you're walking on eggshells because a good chunk of that anger tends to get directed at you even if you're not the cause of it and especially if you don't say just the right thing. My current relati…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 05:17 PM
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Maybe you should take your own advice and get off the internet. Out in the real world I see all kinds of people managing to find partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 03:51 PM
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if they were violent they would have been more socially successful Is your worldview entirely shaped by things shared on the internet? This is comically misguided.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 03:32 PM
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You don't have many/any female friends, do you? Lots of women are single and not getting the kind of attention you describe. They do tend to have closer friends and stronger social circles, so the "solitude" you're competing against is not her getting showered by attention of numerous suitors it's getting a decent chunk of her emotional needs met by friends and her sexual needs somewhat met by a vibrator. A guy with no close friends and poor social skills who doesn't care or know how to get her …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 03:29 PM
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I think you're missing that doing everything with the sole goal of "finding chicks" is actually a pretty poor way to find a partner. Being engaged and active and social is attractive. The kind of woman who volunteers for a charity or is involved in a hobby group isn't going to be interested in someone who doesn't give a shit about that thing and is clearly just there to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 03:11 PM
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Hardly irrelevant questions. I think the view you're arguing is insane and I'm trying to get you to be explicit about it. Most people in my experience aren't attracted to most people they meet but still think those people should reproduce with other people. So I'll ask again: if "the basic truth of what it means for a woman to lack sexual attraction to a man" is that that man is inferior and shouldn't reproduce with anyone, do you also believe that only women you personally are attracted to ough…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 01:54 AM
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Alright, personally I'm going to head outside and enjoy the sunshine. Have a great day in your bubble of misery I guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 08:58 PM
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Okay. I *personally* was a very attractive guy who did terrible with women because I had social anxiety, underdeveloped social skills, and came off a little creepy when I was interested in someone. My luck changed significantly when my social skills and confidence improved. I have several friends who are solidly average looking but always did great with women because they discovered self assurance way earlier than I did. Venture out almost anywhere and you can see dudes of all different levels o…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 08:48 PM
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Then I'd recommend venturing out into the real world on occasion.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 08:28 PM
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You didn't answer my question. Do you want to fuck every woman you see? Do you believe that any woman you don't personally want to fuck should be "phased out of the gene pool"?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 08:11 PM
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Not sure what you're referring to with "very explicit" but early feminists fighting a system where they weren't allowed to vote or have their own assets. Suggesting any particular tactics they used at the time are relevant today is absurd. And like "this is the reason women punish sluts"; buddy have you been in the comments section of a video where a woman expresses interest in sex or mentions having a "body count" greater than 1? Countless dudes calling her ran through, women are all low value …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 08:09 PM
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This is such a profoundly messed up view of attraction. Do you want to fuck literally every woman you see?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 07:58 PM
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This is what people are talking about when they say you don't treat women like humans. Women in all these comments sections are like "yeah friends look out for each other" and you're like WOMEN ARE A WORLDWIDE CARTEL CONTROLLING THE PRICE OF PUSSY.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 07:40 PM
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I see an imgur collage of a handful of supposed screenshots. I guess that's close enough to a large peer reviewed study to make blanket statements about liberal women?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 07:27 PM
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Sounds like something those friends can work out between themselves. If the brunette really wants hookups like that she'll either tell her blonde friend to stop clit blocking her or she just won't be friends with people like that, no? If this is so common do you think it might be because women generally want this kind of help from their friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 07:02 PM
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yikes dawg
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 06:59 PM
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You've accidentally hit the nail on the head. You treat men as individuals with autonomy and their own desires and women as a collective who all want the same thing, all lie, all cheat, whatever. Treating them as humans means acknowledging that they're all different, some do the negative things you describe just like men do and some don't. They don't all want chads and just looking at the diversity of people paired up in the real world would tell you that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 06:55 PM
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Red pillers are they only people who've told you that getting fit and taking care of yourself is rewarding?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 06:51 PM
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You've just demonstrated very well your exact problem but you're too thick to get it. It sounds like the only "reciprocal benefit" of talking to women is that they'll want to make babies with you. Do you have any male friends? What reciprocal benefit do you get out of hanging out with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 06:47 PM
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Have you never seen an average guy who gets tons of women? An attractive guy who doesn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 06:42 PM
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If you think a 900 page story that starts with that intro is about an actual false rape you clearly don't read much.
/r/MensRights16/12/15 11:34 PM
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Because you didn't read it, dipshit. She was actually raped.
/r/MensRights16/12/15 11:23 PM
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