mdf676 Archive

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1	Men ignore conventionally unattractive women (they aren't even on their radar), so they assume that all women are privileged in dating If you insist on removing all positive instances from your argument then sure, sex is purely a negative thing for women 👍 but we both know that’s not the case. Yes for women there is shame (men also experience this), less likelihood or orgasm and risk of pregnancy. And I would add more risk in general since you’re being penetrated by someone who is typically much bigger and stronger than you, which is a very vulnerable position. And who too often will try to coerce you whether you want sex or no…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/10/24 10:55 AM
1	Men ignore conventionally unattractive women (they aren't even on their radar), so they assume that all women are privileged in dating Lol I agree w everything you said, no need to take shots at me. Sorry that’s been your experience.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/24 04:29 PM
1	It doesn't make sense that men complain about promiscuous women but also complain that women's standards are too high You won’t get one because you’re right and these guys are way too far down the rabbit hole to see it. But I would say that a lot of the frustration from guys is that… women don’t call us sluts, they call us creeps (even when we aren’t). They don’t reject us for being damaged, they reject us for not meeting delusional standards. They don’t physically hurt us but they do often bully us and tell us we’re “trash”. They don’t kill us but the loneliness epidemic they happily contribute to leads us to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/24 12:46 PM
1	For those on dating apps, do you prefer more matches or better quality? That’s a very judgmental way of looking at a totally normal human experience. The problem is not that men are pathological, it’s that we as a society have killed the community infrastructure we once had and replaced it with social media and apps which are a poor substitute to say the least. We’ve created a loneliness epidemic that disproportionately affects men. So duh, of course men are lonely and our mental health is suffering, it literally isn’t our fault.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/24 12:33 PM
2	For those on dating apps, do you prefer more matches or better quality? Yes, but this is an opinion that I’ve really only ever heard expressed by women. People value what is scarce to them, and most men get little to no romantic attention so the quantity of attention looks amazing to us from the outside looking in.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/24 05:16 AM
3	Men ignore conventionally unattractive women (they aren't even on their radar), so they assume that all women are privileged in dating Yeah that’s true, people don’t see that so much of the “bad behavior” we see in dating is really a function of the apps and not like bad character on the women’s part.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/24 04:50 AM
3	Men ignore conventionally unattractive women (they aren't even on their radar), so they assume that all women are privileged in dating The comparison I think fits the best is that dating is more difficult for men but more dangerous for women. It’s not that it’s challenging, it’s just a struggle to navigate dating safely. Where for most men it’s just kind of impossible.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/24 04:49 AM
9	Men ignore conventionally unattractive women (they aren't even on their radar), so they assume that all women are privileged in dating Yeah that’s a thing a lot of guys find it hard to relate to. We don’t get any romantic attention, so it sounds strange to us that women are sort of complaining about too much positive attention. I think what’s hard for guys to see is that the attention isn’t positive for women like it would be for us. For women being used for sex is a kind of terrible experience, but for men being “used for sex” is awesome even if they don’t respect us. It goes back to biological drives and risks. For men the ri…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/24 04:46 AM
1	Men ignore conventionally unattractive women (they aren't even on their radar), so they assume that all women are privileged in dating This is the difference between dating people you meet IRL versus dating apps. On the apps women are probably more picky on looks than men are. IRL women are more likely to date down/based on personality.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/24 04:35 AM
2	Men ignore conventionally unattractive women (they aren't even on their radar), so they assume that all women are privileged in dating Some if them do but that’s more younger women or ones which are avoidant and not comfortable with real emotional intimacy. Most women I know don’t actually sleep around, even ones you might assume do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/24 04:32 AM
5	Men ignore conventionally unattractive women (they aren't even on their radar), so they assume that all women are privileged in dating No, I have several woman friends who are far less conventionally attractive than me, but have wayyyyyyyy more romantic and sexual opportunities. My friend who’s a 60 year old, overweight black woman has 1,000 Tinder likes and hooks up with a new, attractive 20-something guy every week. It’s not even close to the experience even of an average looking guy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/24 03:34 AM
0	Men ignore conventionally unattractive women (they aren't even on their radar), so they assume that all women are privileged in dating True, I don’t mean to claim that it’s always that way. Just as a general concept it is, and spending money on someone is unpleasant.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/24 03:31 AM
14	Men ignore conventionally unattractive women (they aren't even on their radar), so they assume that all women are privileged in dating Uhhhhh no because spending money on someone isn’t a pleasurable experience and sex is both pleasurable and validating.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/24 03:25 AM
8	Men ignore conventionally unattractive women (they aren't even on their radar), so they assume that all women are privileged in dating Yeah this is the thing a lot of men miss, that women don’t want the casual sex that’s available to them, and that it’s often not even a pleasant experience. Our problems are so opposite that it’s hard to mutually empathize.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/24 03:24 AM
5	Princess treatment is just patriarchy in disguise Yeah that’s what I’m seeing honestly, I’ve taken a brief foray into this sub and think I’ve realized it’s 5% insight and 95% people who’ve had their brains pickled by the internet.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/24 03:42 PM
1	Women uphold “toxic masculinity” more than men do That’s a very narrow definition but you do you	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/24 03:40 PM
4	Women uphold “toxic masculinity” more than men do By that logic I might as well just go out every day wearing a dress and heels, since we’re suddenly disregarding masculine presentation for some reason.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/24 12:41 PM
6	Princess treatment is just patriarchy in disguise To me feminist is literally part of the definition of progressive woman, they couldn’t be progressive without feminism. Never met a progressive Trad Wife. But I imagine this subreddit operates on some strange overly-online definition of things and will find ways to argue literally anything.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/24 12:33 PM
1	The fact that the majority of blue pillers not only downplay but outright deny that women have become delusional in their standards or that there is a serious issue in dating is a huge red flag and tells you they are not interested in an honest debate Yeah it seems like we might be in pretty different cultural environments too. I live in a hyper-liberal city and most of my social circle is like aggressively feminist so of course the guys are more respectful towards women and the women are a little more intense. But even in my work, which is very male-dominated, nobody is making any comments about women on their bodies and that would be very out of place and inappropriate even among the crazy comments that do get made. But I believe you that y…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/24 03:23 AM
10	Princess treatment is just patriarchy in disguise I only date young (under 35) progressive women. So yes every example in my experience was a feminist.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/24 02:36 AM
3	Princess treatment is just patriarchy in disguise I think the issue a lot of guys experience is that it's hard to find women who want that treatment to be reciprocal. Like I've dated plenty of women who wanted to receive princess treatment, sure, but I haven't found many who wanted to treat me with a similar level of care. Like a loving, involved mother would do for her kids. I think this is kind of problematic though, romantic partners are categorically not caretakers like parents and you shouldn't expect them to be. I'm so tired of dating wom…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/24 02:17 AM
8	Princess treatment is just patriarchy in disguise I've been on so many dates with young feminists where they'd make comments like "if the guy doesn't pay I will lose interest, like come on be a man." Honestly as a guy who's been on dates with hundreds of women, the vast majority young feminists... that type of hypocrisy is very, very common.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/24 02:13 AM
5	Princess treatment is just patriarchy in disguise And most women don’t get a dime from their partners. The women you’re describing is not an average woman. On what planet? I can't think of a single hetero relationship where the woman pays more than the man, unless she comes from old money or something. In most of my relationships it's been like I paid for the dinners and big expenses and she would like buy me a coffee or a croissant or whatever. Definitely far from equal.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/24 02:09 AM
11	Princess treatment is just patriarchy in disguise I'd love for you to meet like half of my exes. The princess treatment thing is so real and honestly an insane standard to try to meet, and for me I was also doing the cooking and cleaning and constant backrubs, etc. on top of it. A lot of pretty young women are just very, very selfish and not at all self-aware.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/24 02:08 AM
9	Princess treatment is just patriarchy in disguise I've dated a lot of very progressive, feminist women who also wanted "princess treatment" which meant that I had to pay for everything, drive everywhere, stand of the "correct" side of the sidewalk, protect them from other men's gazes, but also act as basically their dad and free therapist and cook for them and do the cleaning and laundry, and it was pretty unclear what exactly they were contributing to the relationship overall aside from being pretty and charming. But they absolutely saw everyt…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/24 02:06 AM
17	Women uphold “toxic masculinity” more than men do I think it's very mediated by how hot you are too. Hotter guys (not necessarily conventionally masculine) can get away with much more "feminine" behavior than average looking guys. Like for example I have this water bottle that's one of those Owala ones, it's a light sage green with an orange cap, and I really like it personally. But I became very self-conscious about having it in public because I felt like it was turning off women and one girl (who's very liberal) even commented that it was "re…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/24 01:52 AM
1	The fact that the majority of blue pillers not only downplay but outright deny that women have become delusional in their standards or that there is a serious issue in dating is a huge red flag and tells you they are not interested in an honest debate I agree with all of that, teaching men healthier ways to handle rejection is very important and consequences absolutely need to be part of accountability. I also think we should provide men with actual positive resources to achieve better well-being so they don't just flock to the Andrew Tates and Jordan Petersons of the world. But I think that's more men's job and I can understand why women wouldn't feel obligated to do that work. I think the thing for me is just to not add unnecessary cruelty …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/24 01:40 AM
1	The fact that the majority of blue pillers not only downplay but outright deny that women have become delusional in their standards or that there is a serious issue in dating is a huge red flag and tells you they are not interested in an honest debate Oh I don't know, I honestly can't remember the last time I've ever heard a guy talk like that about a woman, I guess I don't associate with that type of guy. Can't remember the last time I heard a man negatively comment on a woman's body, that just seems like a crazy thing to do and it would definitely catch me off guard if I heard it. But what I do see ALLLLLLLL THE TIME even in person is women shaming men for their bodies, especially around not being "tall enough", having a receding hairline, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/24 01:34 AM
1	The fact that the majority of blue pillers not only downplay but outright deny that women have become delusional in their standards or that there is a serious issue in dating is a huge red flag and tells you they are not interested in an honest debate Which the burden to be beautiful is put on female children almost right away. Yes, in the same way that the burden to always be unrealistically strong is put on male children right away, which is also truly a miserable experience. For me as a kid I got physically abused and beaten by my older cousins and was just told to stop crying and be tough, as if a tiny 8 year old stood a chance against cousins who were in their late teens and four times the size. Everyone has experience they shouldn't hav…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/10/24 07:40 PM
2	The fact that the majority of blue pillers not only downplay but outright deny that women have become delusional in their standards or that there is a serious issue in dating is a huge red flag and tells you they are not interested in an honest debate Men have always had delusional standards , including expecting women to be the weight of a literal child before and after having children, expecting women not to age, and being told they are lucky to find a "catch" in a man. This is true, men tend to have very unrealistic standards for women's bodies and devaluing them as soon as they no longer look 21 years old or whatever. I feel like this has also led women to prioritize their looks very highly which creates a bunch of motivation to have the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/10/24 03:26 PM
4	The fact that the majority of blue pillers not only downplay but outright deny that women have become delusional in their standards or that there is a serious issue in dating is a huge red flag and tells you they are not interested in an honest debate The surprising thing to me has been that women seem to actually not care at all how much money I make or what my hobbies are as long as they aren't seen as feminine hobbies. And obviously not all women are the same, some women will highly value wealth while others couldn't care less. During my 20's I never made more than $30k and had decent success in dating an hookups, and that's as a guy who's 5'10", skinny, no deep voice, weak jawline, no facial hair. Not at all a "Chad" but I was sleeping wi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/10/24 03:12 PM
2	The fact that the majority of blue pillers not only downplay but outright deny that women have become delusional in their standards or that there is a serious issue in dating is a huge red flag and tells you they are not interested in an honest debate Because it’s not that simple, women with “delusional standards” aren’t single forever. The issue isn’t being single, the issue is not being able to find genuine, long term connection with the type of guy they choose to date because the tiny percentage of men who actually get regular attention have no incentive to settle down. But those women will be in enough shitty situationships to fuel the idea that one of them will eventually work out. It’s the difference between intermittent reinforcement (…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/10/24 01:19 PM
1	The fact that the majority of blue pillers not only downplay but outright deny that women have become delusional in their standards or that there is a serious issue in dating is a huge red flag and tells you they are not interested in an honest debate I mean a lot of men do put a ton of work into improving ourselves, but easily the most commonly mentioned thing that makes men attractive is their height, and many women’s standards there truly are delusional. Like they’ve put what’s “suitable” out of reach for 80% of men bc literally only like 15% of men are tall enough to ride by common standards.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/10/24 01:07 PM
1	The fact that the majority of blue pillers not only downplay but outright deny that women have become delusional in their standards or that there is a serious issue in dating is a huge red flag and tells you they are not interested in an honest debate I mean this is a fundamentally individualist argument and the problem is not that any individual woman has high standards. It’s that a broader cultural change has happened which makes it very difficult for the majority of men (who are already lonelier than women) to find love. The issue is that culturally women now tend to have delusional standards, and when that happens as a social wave it fundamentally changes the dating landscape for straight men which does affect more than just the women who…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/10/24 01:02 PM