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What other way is there: She likes me because I look good - "Objectification" (I can live with this because its me and the effort I put into the gym she likes") ​ Anything regarding my job: - Its money. Money or status ​ Social Status: - Yeah, I don't mind this so much. I can get a place on lockdown (befriend barstaff, bouncers, DJ, management, etc) and its my status she likes. I don't mind this. I put effort into it, and it gets appreciated. ​ Emotions, etc - Yeah I make her feel good . ​ Good …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 11:25 AM
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That's probably his issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 01:48 AM
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Seeing parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 01:44 AM
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But has a 30+ year old woman outside your relationship given her consent /s
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 11:30 PM
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Given the OPs flair, it is kind of strange.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 10:59 PM
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Why would it matter, do they intend on coming back? Do you think they didn't already have a negative view if this how they chose to live? Do you not think maybe the view of women of their own country potentially spoiled the view they may have of women elsewhere? Are women of their own country, entitled to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 10:58 PM
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Well to be fair you are correct. But its still an interesting read. But he is right that she could of phoned him up for that chat. Anyway, whatever, it was all clickbait I believe :(
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:59 PM
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She wasn't being used. A Covert Contract is not being used. https://dismantledmind.com/covert-contracts/#:~:text=A%20covert%20contract%20is%20an,hope%20they'll%20just%20know.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:50 PM
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He isn't complaining. He is just asking if he is an asshole. If he had said he had done this, then complained it wasn't fair, I would be laughing hysterically at him. Please highlight the parts where he is complaining or whining.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:46 PM
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Its still interesting to see the different views on the situation come out. Not everything can be demonstrated by stats and figures.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:43 PM
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Be a skittles man: https://heartiste.org/2009/05/19/be-a-skittles-man/
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:41 PM
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Be the Skittles man
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:40 PM
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Yeah there is a woman saying guys should turn homosexual. Wonder if she tells LGBTQ+ people that sexuality is a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:36 PM
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Nah this is actually better than normal. Last time I was on here it was just: ​ "Pareto principle" ​ "But Chad dosn't do that" ​ "N-count" ​ Guys talking about sex factories were women are imprisoned ​ "Guys are not entitled to sex" ​ Then it would just revolve around like clockwork.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:33 PM
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Well we used to have these sort of systems. Arranged marriages, no sex before marriage, shotgun weddings, etc. But nobody wanted them. So we can all eat our cake and have it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:30 PM
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I'm not who you responded to. I'm just stating everyone is making assumptions. We don't know what they discussed. I'm also in agreement they had a conversation before he advanced, so maybe he was nice to her. Everyone is making assunmptions, he wasn't nice to her and judging it by what we don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:19 PM
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Be the skittles man.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:13 PM
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And yet with this guy it sounds like she wanted more. If a guy came up all nice and cuddly, well you would be hearing this story instead: Once upon a time, I fell in love. She was a co-worker, and her name was Brandy. Tall, slender and with long flowing brunette locks and big, hazel eyes, she looked like she had jumped out from a retro 1950's pinup calendar. She was gorgeous. I thought I wouldn't stand a chance with her. She was sooooo out of my league. Still, I grew some balls and asked her for…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:12 PM
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In fairness we don't know what the conversation was. Was he being nice or was he yelling at her? Was he being nice and she was making demands and calling him names like "asshole" (because he stuck to his guns) until he had enough and booted her out? We can only make assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:07 PM
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I know. This place should be Red Pill, Blue Pill vs BlackPill, Doomers and Lazy Guys
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 07:34 PM
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It is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:53 PM
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I never heard of devaluation. I just read about desensitization, approach until you are desensitized by rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:53 PM
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If your undesirable, do you make yourself desirable. Or would you rather be tolerated by simping with money or some other resource?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:51 PM
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Agreed Then as per the Redpill its a mans responsibility to make himself High Value. Yes there are evolutionary dead ends, but the average guy will probably have one or two things that need working on that are causing him to miss the mark. Most RedPill advice, is not aimed at evolutionary dead ends, or the below average man. They are not the target audience. Although they do seem to think they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:48 PM
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Yeah I been reading about these Gen Z breakdowns, there was also one on youtube or something where some Gen Z was in tears because having to goto work, I wonder if its called gen Z, because as Z is the last letter of the alphabet, this is the end of civilisation.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:43 PM
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The less you try to sell yourself and impress women, the more impressed they will be with you. Well in life, people generally want what they cannot have. A man should not show interest in a woman until she has shown it first, then get her to qualify her before you reciprocate. People generally value that they have to work for. Also add in pre-selection. People generally want that which other people have.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:39 PM
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Yes. Lets assume we are talking about a man who has value. A man who has worked on themself as per the RedPill states a man should. And a man who has worked on himself enough to be in abundance, as per the Redpill states a man should. Are we talking about men of value her, or just AFCs and Blackpillers?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:34 PM
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It all depends on your market. If your an EDM fan, and you try selling yourself to the women of a country club, it probably, they probably ain't gonna want what your selling. If your at an EDM festival, you probably have more chance of selling. Same if you hate EDM, if your a guy that loves the opera, you probably won't sell yourself at an EDM festival. Despite there being this 20% of men are attractive and that is it garbage. It is all environmental. The market where you are selling your produc…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:33 PM
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People were never rejecting you, they were just rejecting how you presented yourself. Rejection is never personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:27 PM
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Women have very little control over how men behave. Do you think thats a bad thing. Do you think one gender should be in control of the other? Do you believe black people should be slaves?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:23 PM
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Genuine Desire cannot be negotiated No matter what a persons expectations are, if they desire you, they desire you. Look at all the unsuccessful men on paper, that do not meet a woman's stated expectations yet they get with. No-one cares what there expectations are. Your desirable or your not. Your just presenting yourself as an undesirable man.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:19 PM
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Attraction isn't a choice. Being attractive is. You cannot choose who you attract, you can only choose to be attractive or unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:13 PM
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I agree. And to be honest, according to a lot of women (not all), men just string women along, giving no clear indication that they don't want more than just sex, they lie and decieve and mislead and abuse them. I'm not debating if this is fact or fiction (that men do do that), I am also sure some men will lie and mislead. But apparently its highly common, but as a man, I do not see this. Friends I have in relationships do not openly admit "Hey, I have been telling this woman I want to marry her…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 05:13 PM
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Look if a guy does these nice things, maybe you should appreciate them instead of feeling entitled to them. I probably wouldn't be as blunt as this guy, and yeah maybe I would of been nicer and not as blunt. But thats a privilege not a right.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:45 PM
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After they talked for 30 minutes and it felt weird. We don't know what she said to make him feel weird. Was it a civil conversation, was she being demanding, was she being hysterical? We do not know.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:32 PM
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Same. That said, she did demonstrate agency, she did at this point communicate she wanted more. So fair play. If she had stayed with him for longer, expecting and expecting him to change, sorry but that is what Einstein classed as Insanity. Its just she had the highest expectations from this so suffered the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:29 PM
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I will actually say she did the right thing, although maybe could of been a bit more direct. But she wanted more, she did communicate that. He did not lead her on or stay with her out of desperation. This is causal sex though, the person with the highest expectations suffers.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:26 PM
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Why didn't she ask for more, before he had to ask her what was wrong? She could of phoned him up and laid down her new boundaries, then refused to go over to his. It even says they talked for a bit before he moved in and she pushed him away. Yes he maybe was a bit too pushy after the initial rejection, I agree. But it was only after he had to ask what was wrong that she opened up. They agreed to this. If you agree to something and you get it, why would you think it needs to be renegotiated. If s…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:23 PM
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I think the fuck zone for women is the same as the friend zone for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:18 PM
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Actually I am changing my thoughts on this. Actually rereading it: ​ She came over and we talked for a little bit and I went in to kiss her and she moved away. I made a few advances and she rejected all of them and I asked her what's wrong. She said that I only hit her up when I want sex. So she only made her views known because he asked. She wasn't up front about it. She just assumed it would lead to more by the sounds of it without communicating it until asked what was wrong. Of course, men ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:09 PM
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Yes people deserve the right to do this. Covert contracts are doomed to fail and so are assumptions. But I don't think the guy is an asshole for sticking to his guns.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:04 PM
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If its late at night, save the convo till the morning after, if being kicked out is a worry and its late.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 03:53 PM
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Hew said they talked. He had a conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 03:48 PM
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Yes and also that she said she wanted more and they talked for 30 minutes about it. Yes we don't have recordings of the conversation. But regardless, they did discuss it. Whatever she was offering, he wasn't buying.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 03:47 PM
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Agreed, which she did and he rejected her. BVut a person being called an asshole for rejection, well rejection stings so we can let her off with that. But he shouldn't be questioning himself over a rejection. His self worth should not be based on her calling him an asshole to the point he has to ask people online about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 03:45 PM
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He had boundries and reinforced them. Should he of lied and decieved her into thinking he wanted more. Or do you think he should of been in a state of desperation he would bend over backwards for whatever a woman wants? He said from the start what he was looking for and stuck to it. There were certain things he would not do, and he stuck to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 03:43 PM
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Firstly, pressuring will not achieve anything if she does not want it. If a dude wants sex and someone else dosn't, then have options. If you ONLY want them for sex, then that needs to be communicated. But if your not exclusive and just want sex, then its better to have options. However, I do get the guys point, they agreed to only be fuck buddies. In these situations, the person with the most expectations suffers the most. We don't know if the woman was using sex as a tool to lock the guy down …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 03:34 PM
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Thats fair. Its one of those things though. If I met someone who joined for questionable reasons, but at that point in time WAS a believer, then it wouldn't irk me. But if a person is doing it and its not because they ARE a believer at that point, its different. Life is fluid however, things are not static. ​ Like I know I started the gym for the wrong reason, aka to become more attractive. But now its a habit and I just enjoy it for what it is. So I am a different person to when I started going…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 03:18 PM
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Just the thought of it makes me uncomfortable. I cannot fathom how some people can do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 03:06 PM
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I know before RedPill I was a complete pushover, it wasn't RedPill per say that changed that, but guys in the community willing to help me with it. It led me to reading No More Mr Nice Guy which helped a lot. I know people keep saying, all this stuff is non RedPill and you don't need the RedPill for it. But at least in my experience, I had no where else where people were willing to help or at least even point out these flaws. I know the community is generally toxic as f**k, but it can and does h…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 03:02 PM
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In regard to the magic words, there are and there arn't. I don't know if its lack of anxiety, body language or what, but after doing routines for a while and canned material, it stopped mattering what I said. I could say the dumbest stuff ever and get the same response. I still got and still get rejections, but they are no longer as harsh, but I no longer place such bother on being rejected. Rejection is rejection. Its like fear of rejection was what was causing me to be rejected so much in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 02:55 PM
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Law of Attraction, Huna, etc. Stuff thats more about positivity and gratitude with a spiritual slant.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 02:41 PM
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What do you think happens when criticism is not allowed and even withthe bullying example, you are asking why would should a man need to know about a woman's flaws and behaviours. Why do you want men to not know this stuff, why do you want to hide behaviour of the opposite gender from them. Men can and will be pigs at times. Men do not deny this or hide it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 02:27 PM
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Thank you. You get it. Sorry about what happened to you, bullying sucks. But to use guys, even women who do shit like that, are painted as flawless to us by other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 02:25 PM
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This. If your a shit in, questioning why you should be social, you really have no chance, except for apps. Then even if you meet someone, your social skills will suck. Lets not even mention game here. But socialising means you have more opportunity than a shut in. You still have to take risks, accept you may be rejected, etc. However, all it does is improve oppurtunity. As far as the gym goes, its the same, you will look in better shape at a social event, so have better chances, IF your looks ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 02:23 PM
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I have religious parents. They have tried the "you should find a church with people your age". I just can't bring myself to it, my values and beliefs do not align.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 02:17 PM
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Behavior like that just really rubs me up the wrong way. I can't help but feel disgust at a person who said they joined religious groups for that reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 02:16 PM
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A4ALL: Is becoming religious just because you want to find a partner deceitful? As a guy, I knew a guy who tried be a Morman for a while for this purpose. I stopped hanging around with him, it just struck me as the lowest possible level of simping. He ended up leavingthe Mormons because he met someone else elsewhere so it was defo him being inauthentic to find a wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 01:32 PM
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So you are actually unable to tell if a dress makes you look fatter. Are you retarded? Do you know how a tape measure works?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 01:07 PM
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You still need to know at lest some basic Game.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 12:15 PM
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I don't know, but that's what did it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:49 AM
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When I was younger I was heavily addicted to video games. I would not hang round with friends as I just wanted to play video games. I am glad I joined the army though as this forced me to give all that up. Also before the Army I spent a year working in nightclubs. Between leaving that job and joining the army, I did change a lot and become more comfortable social wise. But after going through training in the Army I lost all interest on video games and was basically forced to become one of the la…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 09:28 PM
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Just feel calmer - less anxious. My body language is better. Able to make jokes. Not so bothered about rejection. And just feel like I have some sort of energy flowing through me. Interviews and stuff like that as well I am a hell of a lot less anxious. Mostly anxiety gone and negative beliefs about myself gone. Before - I was intimidated as hell by them. Did not believe I was worthy. Of a woman spoke to me in would wonder why. Would freeze up and over analyse, be stuck in my head. Etc. Now I'm …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 09:15 PM
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Also women have been deeming it sexist for years: https://theconversation.com/no-chivalry-is-not-dead-but-its-about-time-it-was-174197 They actually want it gone. So give em what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 08:43 PM
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But the whole premise of "I knew a girl, she was my friend, I developed feelings for her, she didn't reciprocate, and I'm STUCK in the friendzone" kind of suggests it wasn't LOVE or even GOOD WILL you developed for her, if you consider it a drag that she doesn't put out. ​ I know thats why I said, if she wanted to be friends, then yeah but its just friends. I'm not putting my life on hold for a woman who is my friend. I still meet other women, she meets other guys, etc. If she develops feelings …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 08:35 PM
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Quite crappy dating. Knew a lot of dudes that were players, always wondered what they had that I didn't, what made women want them and made women not want me. Had a few relationships, for work reasons they ended, being in the Army wasn't ideal. Met some girl and got friendzoned after she was into me one night. Went back on tour and was told by some guys to read "The Game". Got a lot more successful with women, left the army, joined a PUA lair, ended up running the PUA lair was loving life. Then …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 08:15 PM
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Look this is a place for Red Pill vs Blue Pill debates. I was posting some Redpill stuff, for bluepills to debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 07:58 PM
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Yes you are correct on what the friendzone is. Men do it to themselves, women don't put them in it. Like I keep saying, there is nothing wrong with being actual friends. It is good as well, as long as you can let all your feelings for them go and accept they are just friends. Sometimes its hard to turn off desire. Some men can't do that. Also, as has been said elsewhere, Pre-selection. Having female friends (who are just friends) is not a bad thing. But if your into someone romantically and have…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 07:52 PM
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Ahhh the incel uprising that never happens gotcha.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:38 PM
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If it works it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:22 PM
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Yep
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:16 PM
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They have "evidence" that women would rather have sex with an actual dog than a short guy or ugly guy. https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/dogpill
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:14 PM
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Incel culture is crazy though. Guys saving hundreds of thousands of dollars for various plastic surgeries so they feel confident to goto a social event. And then there is the dogpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:09 PM
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Is tthe transmaxxing thing serious?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:01 PM
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I posted it as a discussion and was told to repost as a debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:42 PM
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Would you say they were compatible. Would you expect a guy to show his desire by expensive dates, etc. Yes I have read FDS, 6 months of paying for dates to prove a guy desires you (not saying your FDS but it's an example). There are other ways I can feel desired ie a woman being enthusiastic about dating and actually arranging spontaneous dates. Even inviting me over, even if there is no sex. But it's all based on experiences where I have not felt desired, so the fact it's different makes me fee…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 04:42 PM
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Comfort with no initial desire or attraction normally means "Let's just be friends"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 04:33 PM
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I've never actually witnessed a woman online or RL say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 04:29 PM
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They probably grew up being told they were perfect as they are and there is somebody for everybody, blah, blH, blah
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 04:27 PM
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Same. I am happy I'm not limited in my options.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 04:01 PM
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Fair. In agreement there. If the woman is putting in effort then yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:50 PM
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Game, getting with women and seduction are as old as time itself. From writings about Cleopatra to the diaries of Casanova. And Cleopatra abs Cassanova didn't have any community to help them either.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:47 PM
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OK let's flip the script. Do women not expect men to show desire certain ways. The exhale expensive dates to show he desires you, etc. Does your level of feeling desired not be impacted by a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:42 PM
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There's other ways, women trying to organise dates and being more active than passive, etc. If I have to plan and arrange every date and she does nothing, where's the desire? Even if she just says to come and watch a film after the first date or just initiates stuff, I would take that as being more than tolerated. Plus enthusiasm, etc. Or the "Do you want to come round and have dinner with me and my mum on Sunday" yes in that case she still lived with her mum. But yeah there's more than just put…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:37 PM
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Post nut clarity doesn't kick in until after the act.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:30 PM
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I've picked up on that. Part of the inspiration for this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:28 PM
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Because it is true. Sometimes the truth is a bitter pill to swallow, but it is still the truth. Are you actually agreeing with this BTW? Do you agree with AF/BB?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:22 PM
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Threatening, begging, buying, etc. It does not work. Then they were tolerating the women and not desiring them. Would you rather be desired or tolerated? I know your trying to do a "but men" but the principle applies regardless man or woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:15 PM
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They are tryingvto negotiate and as per Red Pill, desire cannot be negotiated. Do you agree or disagree. Maybe quote the redpill at them and hope one day they understand the way the world really works instead of Bluepill stuff like believing desire is negotiable and attraction is a conscious choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:13 PM
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You are trying to negotiate. Women can have all the standards they want, but if someone is desirable, it won't matter. Isn't that what the Blackpill guys keep complaining about when they try to negotiate and demand desire?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:10 PM
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True. This is also why AF/BB betabuxxing is not always the best strategy for a guy if he is the BB. The same may apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:06 PM
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It's not just hookups though. If I don't feel desired, why am I going to put my best self forward. Your right there is no real way to tell. But I would say there are ways to indicate lack of desire. And I would also say if you truly desire someone who seems to desire you back, it's time to pull out thrr bigger efforts in regard to dating. But not until they show desire. Also like you say, if its hookups then yeah it won't matter. I know some people go straight into comfort style beta game, but I…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:04 PM
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I know. This is why I am posting something that is actually a RedPill belief "Being desired is better than being tolerated" and also "Desire cannot be negotiated" I will also question if 80% of the guys have even grasped the Red Pill. As AWALT is supposed to mean subconscious hardwired behaviours in a woman, these desires cannot be bargained with, cannot be reasoned with. Yet here they are begging and complaint as though it can be negotiated. Dosnt sound very RedPilled to me. Anyway, in answer t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:57 PM
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If you desire someone, how do you know they desire you back. Rhetorical question. It's probably hard to answer. Somethings in life you have to go on gut feelings and past experiences. There's no definite answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:43 PM
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Undesirable men do not have options. Do you disagree. Even if a man does not have options and "gets lucky" is it really a good idea to just be tolerated for something youbprovide. Obviously, desperation, neediness, clinginess and lack of options, will mean he will not know the difference between desire and tolerance.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:40 PM
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Yes then she will not chase because she does not desire the guy. And life goes on. Same with a woman nexting a guy. Life goes on.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:34 PM
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It's not lack of desire. It's accepting its time to move on. If someone is not interested they are not interested. I am not going to spend my life begging and buying women trying to negotiate desire. Begging and buying being simp game. Yes and I am doing simp behaviour and there is no desire, I am being tolerated or used.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:31 PM
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No one is saying the work is over. If you don't keep working at being your best, she will stop desiring you. True desire cannot be negotiated. She is not yours, it was just your turn. Also true desire cannot be negotiated it. So if she keeps desirable, I will desire her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:26 PM
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Well stay on the apps then and double down. Whatever makes you happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:15 PM
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I think it's tougher for women though in this regard. Aat end of the day Simps are gonna simp. Especially if they have no options. If a man is desirable and NEXTs a woman, this will flip the script and the women will chase. If she does not chase, she does not desire you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 01:55 PM
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I'm in agreement. But why the people on my street. I can find and build my own community. We are not limited by streets. Is that bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 01:46 PM
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Not everyone who claims to be Redpill grasp that desire cannot be negotiated.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 01:42 PM
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Also social activity groups. There's loads of options for people willing to touch grass.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 01:22 PM
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Nothing stopping you meeting up IRL. Or moving. Kinda like the PassportBro's
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 01:21 PM
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We live in a more connected world, so community has no meaning or requirement. If we still lived in villages on the whole, everyone would have a purpose to keep it running and people would bond. With Digital era, wfh, etc. Why do I even need to know people on my street? I can select communities at will as they are online, not my surroundings. And if you can't find your own kingdom, well create your own.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 01:12 PM
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That sounds like a covert contract. If you give me something thinking I owe it to you to reciprocate, I don't. Not saying I won't but you creating a mental contract in your head, will not alter my behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 12:20 PM
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OK, I don't see it as people owing it me nor do I believe I am entitled to it. I pay my taxes for services, part of these services that I purchase are the enforcement of various laws and a justice system. As we as a society, pay taxes, we receive these goods to the whole society on general. But nobody owes me anything nor am I entitled to it. But yeah its just semantics.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:53 AM
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People do not "owe" you this. People being hostile: Its a weigh up of risk vs reward. Also we have a legal system. However to succeed in society and not end up in a cell it makes sense not to be hostile. Also reciprocation, if I am hostile to people, I will recieve hostility back (from that person or society). Nothing is owed however. Following the law: This is not owed. The law is a set of rule, break them and well live with the consequences. However it i snot "owed". If you can't do the time, …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:32 AM
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So you want men to be hurt and to suffer?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:15 AM
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Yeah..... that's an awesome story bro
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:05 AM
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I rather would help that's the thing. I'm normally one of the guys who will get the bouncers if someone is eyecoding me because they look uncomfortable. I call that protecting women. Then I come here and get told not to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:49 AM
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So what do people owe you then? What are you entitled to?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:46 AM
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Like noone owes anybody anything. Men complaing that women don't out out - women do not owe them sex Women complaining about cheap dates (not so much on here) - men do not owe them expensive dates But WTF is the OP on about.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:43 AM
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I was jumping in on the bit I quoted about guys being different around guys. And if there is a woman in the social group the filters go back on. Also I misread what you put. That said I do know guys who did the normal n-count complaints, married someone who had a reputation, then laugh at other guys dating some with a high n-count. But that is anecdotal.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:32 AM
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Its your life your choice at end of day.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:14 AM
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So of a woman is being assulted by someone else, as long as I'm not hurting her, I am being asked not to stop it even if I could. Say at a bar. I shouldn't get the bouncers or anything. Interesting but OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:13 AM
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Do you not communicate with fellow human beings?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:40 AM
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Thanks for answering. Happy you found success on Online dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:17 AM
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IF your partner has better options available. Have you ensured you are the best option you can be? That is all you can do. Even then there is no guarantee. She is not yours it's just your turn. How long your turn is, maybe forever, well only you can decide how much effort you put into that to do the best you can to ensure the relationship lasts Even AWALT is all women are like that. Not all women will do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:14 AM
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The lower levels of dread, working out and wearing decent clothes are basically just be attractive. Do you let yourself go in a relationship? I'm not gonna advocate anyone applying levels of dread, that's gotta be a choice you make. Can it work, yes. However dread is dread, it is amoral. If you choose to use that,that is down to you if you make a moral or inmoral choice Only you can decide to take the blue pill or the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:09 AM
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How's he gonna store his food for later?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 01:47 AM
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Fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 01:42 AM
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How? Serious question. I had the same experience with cold approach. Everything was out of my comfort zone, add in doing it sobre. But my social skills got better and better as well. Even if I wasn't "Gaming" and was just chatting. It changed me. And as for dates, if I can cold approach a group of 4 women. Then going on a date now causes no anxiety at all. If I had stuck to dating apps, my social sills wouldn't of grown.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 01:09 AM
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Too extreme in either direction. If they are the only 2 women left on the planet and I am tge only mam. Sorry folks, its extinction time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 12:49 AM
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Yep. When I was younger my saving grace was I was out every Thursday Friday Saturday. Drinking got rod of my filters. And pull o clock was a thing. Yet sobre I was anxious and intimidated by beauty.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 12:38 AM
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Money, sex, power
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 12:33 AM
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It's a place to test yourself. Over lockdown this place triggered me. Now I find it funny. Not seem Poppy Blu around though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 12:33 AM
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I read one erotica trilogy out of morbid curiosity. Yeah it was eye opening.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 12:20 AM
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Dopamine. Your brain gets numbed by what first excited you. So you go from vanilla to weird shit just so your brain can get its feeling of excitement. Then you decide its a fetish and start fucking sheep whilst crossdressing as its the only thing that would give you a dopamine hit thinking you are expressing your natural sexuality. Google the great porn experiment for a video on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 12:17 AM
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Is banning a woman from reading romance shit in a relationship through same as banning a man from watching porn? She don't want a man to compare her to pornstars. Well what if I don't want to be compared to that dude from 50 shades?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 11:18 PM
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Also if your not photogenic, it makes no sense to double down looking for someone on an app.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 11:01 PM
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​ So how does that work? Do they say one thing to their mates and than do a totally different thing when it comes to girlfriends? A guy i snot going to say to his partner, oh its so and so she is easy or she is a slut. The same way he will to a guy. Married guys say this as well. Obviously not all. Don't worry virtuous Blue Pilled men, I know your actions and behaviours are more noble than us heathens. But yes, at least from my experience, a guys filters come off when they are not with their par…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 09:53 PM
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Yeah I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 09:28 PM
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I read a book on Huna earlier as well, how did that impact YOUR life? Ahhh Huna. Yeah lets just agree to disagree here. I'm not taking this into new age metaphysical dream realities.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 09:18 PM
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I am in full agreement actually, sooner or later the answers are to be found inside. One of my role models, Neil Strauss actually said this: ​ We were all searching outside ourselves for our missing pieces, and we were all looking in the wrong direction. Instead of finding ourselves, we'd lost our sense of self. Mystery didn't have the answers. A blonde 10 in a twoset at the Standard didn't have the answers. The answers were to be found within Like as far as "The Game" went, all I took from it w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 09:15 PM
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OK. If I am in a community, like one I have been in before. We actually do more than persue women, despite that being what bonds us initially. Also, there is certain etiquette whilst out in the field, ie the rules of being a wingman. If a guy is shit at following these rules, he will be removed from the community or at the very least have a bad repuatation. Yes us guys are competing, in the sense that women select the best men they can. But its not actual warfare. And guys do work together to he…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 09:04 PM
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I'm just dubious of anything being anything until a woman mention exclusivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 08:57 PM
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Its the "I want to be friends first" Logically this sounds like, OK we will be friends FIRST. If a woman had said, no your too damn ugly but you MIGHT grow on me. That would be different. Anyway, I think thats the issue. So they put their life on hold.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 08:56 PM
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Because hearing shit on here, it dosn't sound like they are working on it. Yet on TRP forums, its guys who are working on it, instead of writing a thesis and ranting how unfair it is women can wear make up, or that if a woman is into you but this one time didn't swipe you on an app, the world is over.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 08:29 PM
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Yeah I don't care if it applies to everyone. I am not saying it does. However if it works for me, it works for me. So why does it matter if it applies to everybody? If it works for me and dosn't apply to everybody = it still works for me If it works for me and does apply to everybody = it still works for me
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 07:52 PM
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YES - IF THEY WORK AT IT. Are the guys complaining that makeup is a cheat code for women, out there working at it? Like you seem to know Data Science. If I just buy a book on ML, is that enough. If I just read it, is that enough. Or do I need to work at it and get good at it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 07:44 PM
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Then why are there so many men without a purpose, without self esteem that are basically just existing. ​ Why hasn't the Blue Pill saved them?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 07:42 PM
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That means touching grass. This is PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 07:21 PM
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Yeah but they are not having the chronic meltdown OP is. This is funnier than that "make up is deception" thread yesterday.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 07:20 PM
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truth
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 07:19 PM
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Were they exclusive whilst taking "it slow"? Was he not allowed to date around and hookup whilst they were taking "it slow"? Sorry you say they were "taking it slow", what does that actually mean in terms of boundaries? Did he have a covert contract, where he assumed "If I quit dating and fucking, so will she" and did not vocalise it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 07:18 PM
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The problem is a lot of guys think that means "Be friends with me for X amount of time, then I will defo be into you" as though its set in stone. So they give up all other romantic pursuits and idiolise the woman, granted this does help create new "Friend-zone level 100" memes, so its all good for a laugh. They are never "Just Friends". This by the way, is not womans fault, its pathetic male simping behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 07:08 PM
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Same.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 07:03 PM
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Get off the apps. Their rotting your brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 06:29 PM
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I'm not looking for allies. I am not at war.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 04:26 PM
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Outcome dependency is a totally different topic. When I have done peacocking myself, its normally just subtle things. But things that will get noticed, or not noticed. Its not the be all end all of game. Sometimes, they get attention, sometimes they don't. Sometimes you meet an animal rights activist who goes totally crazy at you. But that another story for another day.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 04:22 PM
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It does exactly what it says on the tin. It makes you stand out some way. If your awkward and odd, then it will make more people notice your awkward and odd. If your not awkward and odd, it will make more people notice that. It just draws attention, then end.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 04:16 PM
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I'm not denying it. I know people say M3 Model is "Out of date" but there is an art to it being performed flawlessly.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 04:13 PM
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I have read it and the Robert Greene books. I have no issues if men want to follow me. But I don't actually want to be a "Leader of Men".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 03:27 PM
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"YoU mUsT bE ChAd, tHaT dOsN't HaPpEn To ThE aVeRaGe GuY"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 03:14 PM
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Not on Tinder. But was having a pointless chat with someone on some other app. It just lead nowhere, then she ghosted and stopped replying. Then saw her out in some club one evening, after chatting to her for a bit, showed her my phone. She told me some crap about how she was "busy" but she really likes me NOW. So we got on with it. Anyway, so what. All she could see on the app was my photo and texts I sent her. I ain't no photogenic Chad at end of day and I know I make a better impression in pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 03:12 PM
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Confident at what exactly. ​ Yes an intelligent man might be confident about calculus and working out the statistics on everyones change at being an average man in a bar. But these other guys are confident enough to talk to a woman. So thats all it takes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 02:27 PM
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Sounds apretty unique way of Peacocking to be fair. Even on this sub, its getting attention and thats just writing about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 02:26 PM
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Nice execution of the Mystery Method, Mr PUA guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 02:25 PM
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M3 Model in a nutshell.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 02:24 PM
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I've been with someone who if I went out for a couple of pints with a mate, would the next day grab my phone and start texting my mate pretending to be me asking about the night before. I wasn't forbidden from talking to a female work colleague but it had to be on speaker phone. If I was away from her, she would phone every hour. I could go on. Granted I should of dumped her sooner than I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 04:29 AM
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I am in agreement with the second part. Not just because of women and self improvement but the general crab bucket mentality of society as a whole. No one likes it if you say you want to change, it always "Your fine as you are". If you see someone improvement themselves and their life get better, yeah you gotta maybe take a look at yourself, and people as a whole not just women, don't like this. And also the intent of it. I want to be more attractive followed by a complaint of lack of sex. It wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 04:19 AM
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You make it sound as though attraction is a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 03:37 AM
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A mentor is basically a leader. In order to lead you need to inspire people to follow. So yeah, the flashy peeps do get all the attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 03:05 AM
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Yep. It's part of carving your own path in life. With gender roles gone, ie a man gains respect from being the man of the house. Men now can choose their own path, but it's on them to succeed. The journey is what will make them a man. But as soon as we have "mentors" that follow a set guideline, it's really just a new gender role. At the moment if a guy has a purpose in life then yeah he can probably find a mentor. But part of being a man is finding your own purpose and carving out your path in …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 03:03 AM
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Then a "wholesome" guy needs to inspire men to follow him.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 02:55 AM
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I know that is one theory. However my own theory is slightly different. Firstly have you ever read the FDS handbook, well I did during lockdown for something to do. It never seemed to mention how to actually attract a man in the first place. Women generally live in abundance. This has proven with experiments on dating apps, tge number of messages they receive is astounding. So there advice is geared towards keeping a relationship or how to filter. The FDS handbook, is basically how to filter and…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 01:25 AM
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In agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 11:41 PM
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Who is actually claiming it works on EVERYBODY? If you are married to a guy, and he thinks your a unicorn so he starts letting himself go, stops performing husband duties (whatever they are), then becomes a slob and leaves wet socks everywhere after he has fapped off becuase you no longer have sex with him because he hasn't showered for a week. Are you gonna stay with him? If a guy gets divorced because of that and he truly believed "But she was the ONE". Is telling him AWALT not gonna help him …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 10:53 PM
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I know it won't get me EVERY woman. But it makes it easier than it was without lifting. And yes I know there are women not into men who have muscles and shit. But I am not after a particular woman. If I left, women in general are more receptive. ​ I also know its not RedPill exclusive. I was just giving an example. Most the BluePill advice I recieved in life was "Your fine as you are", "Its the personality that counts", "Just be yourself", "Meatheads are jerks, your different to that". Yet when …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 10:30 PM
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which isn't what we are arguing about. we are arguing about whether it is selfish. Do you belive true selflessness exists. If I do something good, like when I give one random homeless person a fiver on a night out (ritual I have due to Law Of Attraction, don't even ask). It makes me feel good, so I am not doing it for selfish reasons. Should I stop doing this as it is selfish? And yes, if I am out on Saturday night, I do always have a fiver specifically for a homeless person. And also, am I sexi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 10:01 PM
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What is the obsession with Models? Its just "Be Youself" the novel, from the brief bit I read of it. Sorry, nice try at stereotyping, but a failure. Now the "Alabaster Girl" by Zan Perrion, now that is a real book. Full of beauty, ​ “The beauty song of women is a love song. This is my truth. I love women. I don’t give a damn what others think of me. Let analysts analyze. Let psychologists murmur and suggest. Let moralists tut-tut and wring their hands. Let man-haters roar. I move through life wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 09:46 PM
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I'm actually still in touch with a lot of the guys I met through those communities and very good friends. But if it wasn't for the community appearing, I never would of met them. Anyway, say what you will. I am still happy about it but do miss those days.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 09:37 PM
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I am actually in total agreement here.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 09:33 PM
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They also say shit like "Oh he isn't my boyfriend, its some guy I just have wrapped round my finger to buy me stuff" "Oh I am married, but my husband is boring, I love these girl trips away. By the way my hotel is just over there" "Its just a guy I'm dating, I can sleep with other guys" Christ, you don't even need TRP, women Redpill men quite well on their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 09:29 PM
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Chasing women is something that bonds men though. Take a group of men, different socioeconomic classes, different professions, different cultures, differnet stages of life. Assuming all are straight and not asexual, the one thing they will have in common is the pursuit of women. Why do you think these communities bring so many men together. Yeah its gone darker now with Blackpill, but back when it was it wasn't as doomsday and men actually encouraged each other, met wingmen from all over, met up…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 09:26 PM
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Hello, If you want the original advice from Red Pill regarding relationships, it was to not think about a marriage until you have experienced abundance. Its basically the same advice women are given, to date around and have fun before marrying. Why should men not be allowed the same advice? Yes plate spinning exists, so does women dating multiple men and having "Rosters". Its no different to what women do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zhUxuaGMUA
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 09:18 PM
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There are. They are just "Invite Only". Following the whole PUAHATE thing with Elliot Rodger and the Julian Blanc thing. Anything remotely related to mens self improvement has moved underground. My best bet for you is to just find a book like "Way of the superior man" and "No more Mr Nice Guy". Then join a FB group for said book and hopefully the teacher will appear when the student is ready.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 08:34 PM
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I'm in agreement with what you say. But for me, it was PUA forums and Redpill forums that led to being motivated and encouraged to make the changes I made. If someone else or another community had encouraged me as much, then yeah, I would be singing their praises instead. Yes going through the stages of grief is an indicator that there is something wrong. I was completely rewriting the way I viewed the world and felt like I had been decieved and lied to for the majority of my life at that point.…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 08:26 PM
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You have lost me now. If I get more options, by just lifting, for example. How am I cutting down my options. Me before lifting - maybe a pint poured over my head, guys punching me in the face because it was funny. Me after lifting - Women actually initiating conversation with me. Men stepping out of my way and giving me the nod. Please explain how I am cutting down my options? ​ And yes - I had shit younger years.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 08:19 PM
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I agree in some cases its like giving dynamite to children to play with. There are some darker aspects of Game, I stay away from. I have no doubt they work, but it is dark shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 08:15 PM
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OK, which women do I "Hate". The ones that dumped me for someone of better social status. Why would I hate them, its in their nature? The ones I couldn't get because I was a doormat. Why would I hate them, its in their nature to not like men who are doormats. I could go on. After the anger phase, comes acceptance. Yes I was angry at myself, for not doing the things the Red Pill advised. But the hatred and anger is over now. Unplugging or “taking the red pill” is common red pill parlance for “com…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 08:07 PM
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So if I had a son and told him: Son you gotta have a mission in life, spending your life persuing pussy will get you nowhere, focus on something you have passion for. Even if you get a women, you gotta keep on top of your shit otherwise she will divorce your ass as there will be better men avaliable because you have let yourself go. Also don;t be a fat slob as lifting will make you more attractive. And finally do not settle for the first women that comes along, you need to sample abundance befor…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 07:54 PM
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If it “worked” I would be much less judgmental. Most red pill guys I met are socially awkward weirdos. Yeah, its not a on/off process. If a guy is socially awkward, reading TRP in itself wont fix that. He will need to touch grass and develop the social skills he dosn't have.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 06:58 PM
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Sometimes you just gotta make a judgement call.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 06:53 PM
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You can doubt it all you like. Look I wasn't born into the RedPill. I spent a lot of my life quite BP'd and it was pretty crap to be totally honest. Then someone introduced me to PUA. And things got better. But it was very counter intuitive, like why do I need to be with other women for women to find me attractive. When the general advice at the time was "Just be thyself" with no context. Yeah I am happy being myself now, but at the time I didn't understand it, so it was useless advice. Anyway, …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 05:38 PM
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Then what? I follow RP advice that works for me and I get results. Yeah So I throw it out, then what I get no results. Why would I want to do that? How would that improve my life?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 05:23 PM
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Or maybe "I'm sick of single guys crying, here are some positives"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 05:17 PM
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Its probably the spending habits he dislikes, not the wife herself, and she probably has other habits and behaviours he has no issue with and probably likes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 05:15 PM
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Its the "Just Lift Bro" thing for example. Women shout "But I don't like muscular men", "My partner is not muscular". Yet if you just lift "Bro", women generally find you more attractive. No one cares about individual women, its about being generally more attractive overall to more women. Like, why do people find this hard to grasp????
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 05:02 PM
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Do guys who find TRP and "Game" care about what women who are not their type are into. If loads of guys get together and say something works, then if it works it works. Maybe its not a universal truth, but who gives a toss. If it works for the guys who use it, why would they not see it as a truth? Its just a toolkit at the end of the day. Use it or discard it. As per the very first words of the Red Pill handbook Version 2.0. It clearly stated in the RedPill sidebar, if something works keep it, i…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 05:00 PM
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Before the Redpill turned into its current Blackpill state, it wasn't just ancedote examples. It was guys from all over sharing notes and discussing things, then noticing patterns. Same with PUA which came before it. If its all a load of bad crap, then why did guys find so much success after realising they needed to change from what BluePilled dudes, simps and AFCs were advertising, and also the advice of women in regard to dating as a man. I'm not saying its an absolute truth, but there is some…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 04:57 PM
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Why there's so many contradictory dating advice, from "treat women as everyone else" to "treating women as everyone else will get you friendzoned". It's just that every person is different so one works for one type of person and the other works for other type. This does not mean that you should never be honest about your intentions if you are attracted to her. Also, treating a woman like a goddess and putting her on a pedestal instead of treating her like another person, isn't healthy either. Wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 03:52 PM
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It crazy how a lot of guys would rather remain single and sexless rather than goto the Gym and not watch porn. It is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 12:04 PM
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Look thank you for your honest answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 11:53 AM
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Part me of me thinks, this must be a British Phenomena going by this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 11:31 AM
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The only thing fir sure is you will miss 100% of the swings you don't take.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 12:57 AM
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A priest would just be a cel not an incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 12:54 AM
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Read the complaints about male attention and catcalling. I think they might see being invisible and ignored by everybody as a good thing. Where as a guy passing his driving test, and eevviing his engine might be the first time in his life he has had attention from a lot of people. Why do nice guys finish last? The bad boys are the ones who get noticed.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 12:38 AM
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Why would a guy get praise for going with a pro? Any guy can do it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 12:34 AM
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Yeah but you noticed them. Being a douchbag is better than being invisible.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 12:26 AM
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I think for us males, it's for literally the attention itself. Sometimes with you women, I think it's more fir the validation from the attention, ie compliments. I could be wrong. Like if I revved a car attention. Yeah, no one is going to like me or compliment me for it, but I'm being noticed, which is the idea to be noticed. It doesn't matter if people want to kill me over it, if means I'm being noticed. Where as I think a lot of stuff women do (I may be wrong) it's more like "I've had a bad da…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 12:25 AM
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Look mate, I fully agree with you here and you are spot on. But yeah... this doesn't help either. "Just stop being needy bro" whilst true does not help. Yeah outcome dependence is not good. But how the hell do you go from outcome dependent to not being so and also in a way to encourage guys to do it (assuming you actually want to help them). I myself... I don't fuckibg know. I've done meditating, quite a lot of stuff by Hypnotica and a lot of NLP. Yeah it's helped a lot. But the ""average guy" i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 11:45 PM
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I don't know what this is. Like, who needs a guide on simping and beta buxxing, it's natural to most guys Next he will be looking at dead bedrooms and asking how not to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 11:19 PM
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The guy running the video creeps me out more than some dude who can chat with women. Yes I know this guy has a GF, I googled him. But looking at his room, I am surprised. And that Metal Gear Solid quote thing, cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 09:21 PM
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Er nope. This guy actually does need to "MAN THE FUCK UP". This is what happens with a lack of "toxic masculinity".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 08:50 PM
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If a man is on TRP, he probably is there due to limited options. He knows this as it is his reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 08:29 PM
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Because men don't usually say "dating gets harder for most as they get older, especially for people who don't improve/take care of themselves".... Right, firstly TRP which all this is based on.... was designed for men. If a man has reached the point of going down one of the manosphere rabbit holes. He dosn't need to be told dating gets harder. He already knows that, what do you think got him into that rabbit hole in the first place. When I was totally shit at dating. I didn't need someone to say…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 07:58 PM
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Lets normalize people never dying. That will alter reality right?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 06:49 PM
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Have you tried telling some of the guys on PPD to touch grass yet? Let me know how that goes. Anyway, the answer is they are just complaining. I was around in some of the earlier PUA days. Guys would actually encourage each other to go outside, compliment each other and encourage each other to be the best they can. It was great. Now these communities are blackpilled to hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 06:47 PM
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Thank you. Was just wondering.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 06:09 PM
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Who struggles the most without regular external validation from social media? If we stripped men as a whole of all validation recieved from Social Media and did the same to women. Imagine, just no-one giving validation to anyone. But relationships still happen, people still love each other, etc? Who would struggle the most?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 05:49 PM
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So people have sex and the amount of people they have sex with can be counted if one so desires. Then life goes on. Until one day you die.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 05:45 PM
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Genuine hypothetical question: If you met a guy, who didn't treat you like shit, who you found attractive and enjoyed having in your life. Would it not be enough to enjoy his company and it be whatever it is? Why does the "timeline" need to be added if you are enjoying whatever it is you have? Not sure if I chatted to you about this yesterday. ​ “We have this idea that love is supposed to last forever. But love isn’t like that. It’s a free-flowing energy that comes and goes when it pleases. Some…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 05:43 PM
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I still stand by, women complaining about the double standard of men sleeping around, can be changed by them congratulating each other every time they get laid, instead of slut shaming each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 05:25 PM
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Look we are all going to die. A lot of people die in a slow painful way. A lot of people are murdered. Some are beaten first. That is just an observation of the world. It is neither meant to make people feel good nor bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 05:21 PM
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I don't understand the denial of "The Wall". Lets use a "Chad" as an example. Chad is a guy who smashes the gym and can go on dating apps and easily get hookups. Sooner or later, his crutch, in this case his looks are going to fade. Maybe he gets into a relationship and lets himself go a bit. Maybe after 5 years of being in a relationship, he decides he wants to go back to sowing seed. Now as Chad has let himself go, maybe he is no longer the captain of the football team, maybe he has gained wei…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 05:12 PM
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Men are a monolith remember. Not individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 04:45 PM
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I know, this is just pathetic shit. But hey, women want men to be more emotional. So here it is. Enjoy the show folks, witness a guy taking a womans advice and what it achieves. Please remember to purchase your popcorn on the intermission.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 04:38 PM
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Yeah, I know what the community says is different to what the OG material says. The community is toxic as fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 04:03 PM
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This subreddit, across the board, seems to think women overestimate their appeal in the dating market and that their standard are too high, and thus, they should settle. Dating subs are full of women complaining about how men won't settle and how they want a relationship, a family, etc, etc. If what you are going for is not working, the approach used needs to be changed. If they want a "Chance" with a guy, then fair, but then there is no need to complain. If they want a guy to "settle" for them …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 03:19 PM
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WTF is jestermaxxing?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 02:27 PM
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Thats brutal.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 02:26 PM
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Are you even interested in a guys personality? Or just if his timeline is the same as yours? Is interrogation all there is to your personality?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 04:53 AM
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Wow congrats you got negged. Is that an achievement now.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 04:10 AM
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Stop it with being logical.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 03:37 AM
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Observervant you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 03:34 AM
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He can still admire Di Caprio. Di Caprio is an inspiration to us all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 03:26 AM
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Yeah first date is like meet and greet. Is there an initial spark. It ends, you go home and then you either want to see her again or you don't. Add this shit to it, and yeah I ain't gonna enjoy the date and nope I ain't gonna wanna see her again. Rather just have a pointless conversation with some barstaff or something. Jeez.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 03:06 AM
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It's strange, once I left the dating apps and went back to cold approach/warm approach. This shit you described stopped happening. Not saying cold approach is easy or super great results. But when it does work, the results seem better than many of the interviews I won on dating apps. When you go on a first date and get asked:how much do you earn, when will you be promoted, what's the payrise. Even if you win that round of questions, it's time to finish your drink and not have a second one. Like …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 01:48 AM
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But if you never get to experience someone when their not vetting, ie they're being themselves, authentic, how can we be ourselves as in behave/act like we would when we are not on the receiving end of being vetted. If I feel I am being interrogated, I play games to see how ridiculous I can be yet believable. Like of first question is what do you do for a job? I know I am being interrogated and my finances assessed instead of someone getting to know me as an actual person, so yeah I'm gonna answ…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 01:41 AM
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Women don't have plates, they have a "Roster". Have you not watched TikTok?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 01:20 AM
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Yes you are correct. This is what the RedPill states, any bad thing that happens to you in a relationship is on you for choosing it, so learn to vet women better. Assuming women are angels, is never going to end well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 01:17 AM
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Sorry to hear that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 12:58 AM
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The obsession with the "Revenge Fantasy" is amazing. Does it live rent free in PPD's members heads for them to obsess over, like an incel obsessing over n-count? "The louder they squawk, the closer you are to the truth"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 12:37 AM
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Same. I know some women who say they have no interest in marraige, they have done it and hated it, for whatever reasons and are in no rush to marry again. Its great, you can just enjoy being around them, as much as I used to hate the phrase "Just be yourself", yeah you really can "Just be yourself" (I understand it now, yet now i understand it, that advice is pointless, those who need it, don't understand it) and they can be themselves. There is no agenda (sex is just icing on the cake) and no e…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 12:12 AM
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It makes the women feel like they matter, "He wants revenge on me" is better than "I don't exist to him". I dunno. But yeah I just find it weird. I had relationships in my 20's. I would not shoot down any woman from my 20's IF she is the best catch from my options. Like I say, I don't understand the Revenge Fantasy trope but whatever, it sounds like a cope. If i had not worked on myself and just let myself go. Yeah things would be different, I would just be another older fat guy with nothing goi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 11:58 PM
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Religious parents so I have had all sorts of weird stuff to work through. Probably what led me down some of the darker rabbit holes. But now I just focus on self improvement stuff. I know I am never going to be a normie, in regards to views on relationships but it is what it is. I have found my happiness after some dark times. I still believe in the old saying "Leave them better than you found them".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 11:31 PM
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I was actually going to ask about brothers, when you said you didn't know any men like that. But only thought of it once I clicked reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 11:28 PM
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Yep, this rushed relationship thing and interrogation to keep up with your friends is not attractive. Like maybe these women are amazing. Who knows. But because they do this, it kills the attraction I have. Maybe it works with some guys though, so yeah we are a bad match. I dunno. I am not in a rush to just rush through a relationship so I can tell my friends "Yay, I am married too". Thats just not how I roll. Its about the journey not the destination.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 11:26 PM
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Same when I was like 18, my confidence and style sense was non existent. Did I look better, I don't know, maybe if I had the same style sense then and trained and ate like I did now, yeah I would of looked a hell of a lot better. But from my own experience, as I get older, dating gets easier and women make moves on me more than they did before. So yeah in my eyes, I am more attractive now than I was then. "The men age better" is spun out of context. Read any OG RedPill stuff, and it clearly stat…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 11:23 PM
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21 convention does not have one grand philosophy, its different guys with different views. There is no over arching tenants.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 11:12 PM
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Never heard of Sebastian Junger I don't think it should be as brutal as some of the olden day stuff. But.... all I can say is. During Army Basic Training, even those who did not make the cut, they were changed people. Its amazing seeing loads of guys go from zero to well disciplined unit that operates together as one. This will probably piss off a lot of guys on here, but I think one of the issues today is self isolation with guys sitting in rooms playing video games, not socializing and also ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 11:10 PM
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Fair, at end of the day the slowest person sets the pace (I don't mean slow in a derogatory way). Sure other person may not be happy, but I am sure they know where the door is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 11:07 PM
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yeah there are also laws against rape? Yeah I agree. ​ never in my 37 years have i known any men like this ​ Fair. I'm ex army so if this sort of shit happened to any of the girls in the unit. Well... may god have mercy on the souls of those involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 11:06 PM
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Yeah I have never been told just "Its your fault", there has always been concern but then there is always "Why did you do that" or "What the hell were you doing there". Obviously not every bad choice is a well known bad choice. Some choices are bad no questions asked. But yeah, hindsight, sometimes something innocent can turn out bad. But I still want to know how I can stop it happening again. When I had the shit beaten out of me when I was younger. Yeah my parents were worried and concerned. Bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 11:03 PM
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I am working on self improvement. And yeah thats why I specifically mentioned the self hatred and blame being bad. That stuff is toxic, look at some of the posts on here by more incel type guys. The hatred they project is probably coming from hatred for themselves. I have been on here before and mentioned self love and self forgiveness, but its just gets laughed and sneered at followed by "But Chad dosn't do that" or "How tall are you"... If people want to improve, the desire to do so needs to c…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 11:00 PM
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Yeah some men can not cope. I'm all for bringing back initiations into manhood and trials to prove yourself. But we live in a lefty society so thats "not nice". So now we have weak men, it is what it is. I sure as hell didn't vote for the current state of affairs.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 10:54 PM
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I was referring to the ones who are misleading. Yes some people are honest and genuine. But that brings us back to square 1, how do we tell which is which.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 10:52 PM
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I'm confused why self-blame would be helpful in this circumstance. Because until I accept responsibility for my choices, I will never be able to believe or see that I need to work on myself. Blaming everyone else, implies I am perfect and without flaw. If this happens a lot, I am obviously not. Unless I take responsibility, I cannot change anything. it's entirely possible you could vet better *and* be hurt again Yeah, your correct. But luckily I have my entire life. Life is a work in progress, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 10:51 PM
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I used to know a guy. Every single night without fail, he would pull a different woman. He was quite good at it. I don't know what his game was. But I can make some educated guesses these days. Anyway, he got the action, I got the women weeping at me, the following night when I would be in that club and he would be pulling the same shit on some woman sat next to the woman from the night before. I think this is why I am so jaded. I was quite a simp back then so would buy those women drinks and ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 10:45 PM
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Yeah, with friends, family and special people, well they get special treatment., But randomers on the internet have not yet earned that level of treatment. Why would they have?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 10:42 PM
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Well first you get to know them. Then you gotta see if you get on well. Then you need to live with them for 6 months to a year, to see if your compatible like that. At that point, yeah if your open to marraige maybe its time to pop the question. But being open to marraige does not mean, marry the first thing that comes along. Are you more bothered about "being married" or is it more about the perosn?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 10:40 PM
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How do you know if they are a good choice if your making wedding plans on date 3. Christ what is it with these relationships on steroids.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 10:39 PM
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Theres actual laws against that shit. Or do you not know guys who can just beat the shit out of these dudes at your request?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 10:37 PM
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Who cares, you have still got a bullet in you. Are you happy to take lead as long as you can say "Its their fault". Do you not even stop and think "Hey this is a bad idea", or do you just not care about getting shot becuase, hey its someone elses fault?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 10:36 PM
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Yes they are responsible for their actions. But if a person dosn't care what damage their actions inflict and are only bothered getting what they want, what does it mean "They are responsible for their actions". OK, lets say I get with a woman and she takes all my money and boots me out of my apartment via nefarious means. She is responsible for her actions. Yeah OK cool, well I still have no money and no apartment. Just chanting "She is responsible for her actions" isn't going to change anythin…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 10:34 PM
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They are misleading them to get whatever it is they want. Whatever that maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 10:29 PM
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Look if its a dude, who has gone through shit. He gets a night at the bar, to fet drunk and unload emotional shit, with no judgement. After that, its case closed. If he makes the same sort of choice again, assuming the first time it happened really was the first, he will become known as a simp. Thats how it works where I'm from. What you women do, apart from rant its all mans fault, and expect us men to somehow modify the behavior of all men via the imaginary Patriarchy weekly Zoom call is beyon…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 10:21 PM
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Then find someone who wants to support you? You have friends right?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 10:14 PM
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Its like when you know a man is actually bad news. Some women you know is into him, you try to warn her and all you get is: "Don't tell me how to live my life", "Your not in charge of me", etc. Then he beats her black and blue and its like "Well told you so" It would be funny if it actually wasn't funny in the slightest. Call me jaded, but people are gonna do what they are gonna do. As long as they are not actual children, they are old enough to make their beds and lay in them. Fill their crack …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 10:11 PM
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What else do you want us to say, when you come crying to us. ​ We men do not hold a nightly Patriarchy Zoom Call, where we discuss what we are all upto. At end of day, shouting and screaming at other guys over a CHOICE you made, is on you not me. Same as when men pick women who are bad for them. THEY chose to be with that women, End of. We all make choices in life. We learn from them or we don't, the ball is in our court.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 09:29 PM
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Fair one I get it. Have been that guy before.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 08:33 PM
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Sorry but wtf. How does that work, surely getting a GF would boost the dudes esteem, so he wouldn't be so loserish.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 07:09 PM
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Maybe they are hot. Maybe people are attracted to them. Maybe they have giant dicks who knows. Maybe they have something someone else wants. Why does someone need to be some specimen of maturity perfection to be in a relationship? Just because you creep em out and make them feel unsafe energy, dosn't mean everyone else does
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 07:05 PM
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Thats why you don't get married. Just keep your social skills up and your shit together. Most men don't so you will be the most attractive option out of that pool of men. Then as why know, women would rather share a hot guy than commit to a lower guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 06:30 PM
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Some guys are just lost with no purpose. I've done the whole attitude of gratitude stuff, so I can generally be happy just due to gratitude for basic stuff. But that isn't mainstream its a niche thing, also its not really guy thing either ybh, but whatever. Some guys seem happy when they are playing video games and escaping reality but RL does nor hold the same level of interest for them. If I am not constantly challenging myself and setting goals, I know I start down the depression cycle myself…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 03:09 PM
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If you can work on yourself and make yourself attractive, fair. If your just complaining and taking no action, my response is the same. Saying its not fair, is moot. Evolution is not fair, it never was and never will be.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 02:56 PM
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A Hot funny woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 01:55 PM
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Truth. Be indifferent until they give you a reason not to be. Women of Beauty can be found anywhere, look around you, what makes you any different from everyone else? Then when she answers, either fake it and be interested in whatever she says and make her think she won you over. Or actually vet and fob her off if nothing about her is interesting. SHowing interest in them before they show interest in you, is how rejection happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 01:49 PM
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Maybe they have nothing to be happy about or haven't learned to be grateful for what they do have or maybe they are depressed, suicidal. Who knows? Maybe their relatives died, maybe they watched their friends die slowly, who knows.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 01:42 PM
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It's really annoying that being autistic makes dating so hard when you're a man. Like pretty much everything else is fine for me, except dating. Oh well. Dating is the only thing that really reveals your flaws. However props for becoming attractive, you took action which is what counted. Im not a fan of apps myself and do prefer bars, but... I can see why for you, my choice of hunting grounds would not be ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 01:37 PM
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How you take care of your body speaks volumes about how your personality and lifestyle. Saying but "what if I have a medical condition" means you are genetically deficient. Its quite simple really. If your fat and think it's unfair you are viewed as unattractive it's because you are lazy or genetically flawed. The end. You serve no purpose in furthering the human race.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 01:19 PM
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Getting women, is what makes Chad Chad. If nice hguys giot loads of women, being nice would be Chad. Women define Chad, The Alpha Male, etc, by their choices. Chad == The man that is chosen by women
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 12:51 PM
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Still better than a nice guy who gets nothing. Hell they don't even have a chance to get Herpes. This is what women like (otherwise he would never of been married, never of had the chance to cheat, etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 12:49 PM
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https://www.napoleon.movie/
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 12:40 PM
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Look I could go onto loads of feminist YOutube channels, look at FDS stuff and see women hating on men. ​ Ya know what, I CHOOSE not to. If your choice in life is to live like this, then good for you. What ever makes you happy. Is there much of a market for these sorts of videos then with women as the audience? How many other women watch this stuff? What sort of videos do you watch specifically? Sorry, just doing some market research, as thought mens channels were dominated by men as the audienc…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 11:42 AM
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"Cuz men" /sarcasm
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 10:31 AM
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Jada was friends with Tupac but there was no romance. Google it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 04:13 AM
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Shame we will never know. Dammed anonymous forum.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 03:50 AM
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I used to be on a FB group called "May the frame be with you", no idea if it still exists, there was some FB group drama which was quite intense. Anyway someone did an actual cost analysis of marriage vs hookers. Made an interesting PPT presentation
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 03:27 AM
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Congrats bro Keep it up. Rejection just means they rejected your approach not you. But glad you put yourself out there
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 03:22 AM
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Some of the stuff I want to write is too dark for todays society. I think I have a better understanding of Robert Greenes work than I believed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 03:20 AM
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Fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 02:55 AM
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I would rather do it in the reverse order, marriage first.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 02:50 AM
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How does this help when it comes to limited promotion s? Even if people collaborate, your still competing for promotions and payrises If everyone does the same, then no one stands our.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 02:47 AM
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Probably still cheaper than marriage in the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 02:03 AM
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Just rewrite evolution bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 02:01 AM
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Its an excuse. Your mate is married now or in a relationship. Why would he want to go to the bar with you just to watch you chat to women and talk about your dating life. He abandoned that lifestyle, so it makes sense he does not want to be part of it. People in relationships and people who are single, have different lifestyles. Or maybe they have kids and just can't be arsed doing the stuff you do as they have other pressing stuff to do. Or maybe they would rather spend money elsewhere. Not say…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 12:01 AM
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The whole offering videos of him banging some chick made me cringe. Like why the need for validation from random peepz on PPD? Validation seeking is just cringe. No matter what you do in life, if people being non-reactive about it bothers you, seek help.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 11:42 PM
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Your attempting to recreate it. Just say "Respect" and drop it. Its a shit test. If you get too revolted, disgusted, then your a wierd sexual prude. If you do what you do your super creepy and needy. Just look em in the eye and say "Respect". Then carry on talking. ​ The end.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 10:34 PM
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Why are so many men obsessed with being the top guy when they know most men will never be the top It keeps us occupied. Also if people were not competitive, they would get nowhere in life. Look at losers. Look at people on minimum wage jobs not being able to afford to eat and heat. Thats what happens when your not competitive. You are removed from the genepool, probably in a slow unpleasent fashion. I never understood this mindset and it seems to be a setup for failure. Also, it seems the guys w…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 10:18 PM
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Welcome to the 21st century.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 10:05 PM
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