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I didn’t crap on it. If you re-read my original comment I said that he’s getting easy sex with little effort, so I think it’s a good option for some guys. Better than wasting your time being a try-hard with girls who aren’t interested, getting into a pessimistic mindset and spreading negativity.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/23 02:39 PM
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I come back to this sub because it’s a debate sub which isn’t an echo chamber of bullshit. Did you follow me here or something? Yet you call me childish. You sound pretty mad, who hurt you buddy? It’s okay. And i engaged those people as well, yet they’re unwilling to face facts. I literally posted a study proving them wrong and it got ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 11:35 PM
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Yes same. Never talk about red pill in public. It’s just going to end badly. I treat it as content I consume for my own personal growth (the parts that I find relevant) but never share with others in person, unless they already seem interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 01:47 PM
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How will it end? When he dies alone? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 01:12 PM
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Yeah it’s shocking how even bringing up male issues is immediately a “turn off” and you ruin any chances you had. So you just have to keep quiet and put on this persona where you agree that women are the victims, because you know that anything you say (even if it’s rational, verifiable etc) is going to be shot down. But yeah, you know, just be yourself and you’ll meet someone eventually! /s
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 01:09 PM
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It’s screwed here as well dude. It is pretty much everywhere in the west. That’s why we have so many guys joining the manosphere, confused and lost. We have dating apps and feminism to thank for it.
/r/TheRedPill03/05/23 12:42 PM
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At the end of the day, he’s getting easy sex, which is what this sub is 90% focused on, and with little to no effort. But I agree that it takes away the challenge and fun of mastering game, and probably isn’t as rewarding as actually seducing someone and them desiring you.
/r/TheRedPill03/05/23 10:46 AM
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Nah it’s nothing like for women. Women get hundreds of matches effortlessly on dating apps and get approached by guys IRL. They have no shortage of options. Effectively they can just choose whoever they want (within reason). If they want to drag it out, they can, if not they can pretty much get into a relationship asap. Women have all the power when it comes to dating. Sometimes I wonder if I am even living in the same reality as some of the commenters here lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 11:44 PM
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Okay, that’s your opinion, and as a guy who also knows many other guys I’m telling you that you’re wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 05:36 PM
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The answer is that both of the above are necessary. Nothing strange, in fact that’s my point, this is something very normal for guys to experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 04:58 PM
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You sound mad. We come to these “echo chambers” for a reason. I’ve been on many, many dates, probably more than you. Women are all the same, dating multiple guys at the same time and having unrealistically high standards. Most guys who are not above 6ft, muscular, confident etc will have an awful time in the dating game. Guys will get ghosted for the slightest fuck up and women go from seemingly being crazy about a guy to wanting absolutely nothing to do with him, just because he said one thing …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 04:53 PM
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So, what, you were dating one chick and by chance you happened to hit it off with her, and now you think the same applies to most guys? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 04:10 PM
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You’re close to getting it, but RP is not about hating women, it hold no opinion about women one way or another. It’s simply sexual strategy for men and morality is not considered. You just do what it takes to be successful. It just so happens that women are sexually attracted to men who treat them this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 03:20 PM
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Gold
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 03:15 PM
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You obviously are oblivious to male dating strategy. Men HAVE to date multiple women these days if they want to be successful, unless they’re 10/10. Even as an attractive man the conversion rate is so low. You can go on 100 dates and only have a few of them turn into something more. So yes, either they find the time and motivation to go on lots of dates, or they die alone. Those are the options.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 03:13 PM
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Some literally do. RSD Tyler and others back in their prime were doing hundreds of approaches a day and going out most nights.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 11:28 AM
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“Fake it til you make it” …PUAs are approaching hundreds of women a day, in a week some of them talk to more than you ever will in your life. To call it a fake it til you make it approach is hilarious. The ones really faking it are the ones stuck in their comfort zone and their little social circle, scared to approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 08:43 AM
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Yeah I get that. No definitely agreed. Effort is needed from both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 12:00 PM
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Yeah, you’re right, men have to settle all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 12:22 PM
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Pretty much any guy here can tell you that dating is an uphill struggle for most men. We get criticised for approaching in public, get ghosted for no reason on apps on the rare occasion we get matched and manage to actually start a conversation, and have to put in pretty much all the effort on dates. That includes trying to be funny/flirty and impress her, pay (in most cases), take the lead and organise everything, etc. One wrong move and you’re done, all the while she is talking to 10 other guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 12:08 PM
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Unfortunately? If they’re both average, it’s an equal match. It’s what they deserve.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 11:03 AM
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Why do men have to learn to “talk to women” like it’s some kind of a skill? Talking to people isn’t hard, but for an average guy to attract an average woman, he has to go to extreme measures.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 11:01 AM
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Yeah kinda. Most men just kinda accept what they can get though. Guys are not too picky about who they have sex with. As long as the woman is not overweight or extremely unattractive to them, usually they’ll say yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 07:38 PM
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Women don’t get preselected, men do. Women decide who they want to have sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 11:33 PM
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You could say the same about any topic here lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 11:30 PM
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Perception of value is all relative. I think it depends on how he communicates. If he makes it sound like he’s a player with a high n count but it’s not obvious that they’re all hookers / ugly, the woman would probably assume they’re at least average and so it could work in his favour. But if they find out who he’s been fucking, probably not so much as it’d be clear he’s fucking these low value girls out of desperation. Some of it is also how he carries himself, despite the high n count he could…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 11:20 PM
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Yup women love to virtue signal and make themselves appear innocent when really they’re worse than men in some ways. High N count is attractive. That’s why male virgins in their late 20s and 30s often remain virgins for a long time, it’s hard to break the ice. Once it happens, they start having sex more and more.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 11:02 PM
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Most women haven’t but there are ones out there who have, and for the women who want to, it is very easy to do so. I do admit it was an extreme example but one used to get a point across. I’m confused, what pretense are we talking about? I am saying it how it is. It’s also fine for women to think the same way, if they don’t want STDs and a higher risk of getting cheated on they should avoid promiscuous men. I’m very much in favour of women being selective in this regard too. But usually women li…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 10:25 PM
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We don’t need to “aid” men to handle anything. There’s nothing wrong with them. It’s not insecurity if you don’t want to marry a woman who has slept with 100 other guys, it’s a preference. If she’s “easy” and opens her legs to any guy, why should men be expected to want something serious with her? She has displayed that she is low value. By definition, something that is easily obtainable is low value. It’s basic supply and demand. If you feel good about yourself but have preferences like that ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 09:37 PM
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https://qz.com/1051462/these-statistics-show-why-its-so-hard-to-be-an-average-man-on-dating-apps The top 10% of men get most of the TOTAL likes on dating apps. I think it’s safe to say the top strata of men have no problems getting dates and sexual partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 07:21 PM
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You were saying he’s not trying to communicate with women because he’s watching PUA chumps online. But that’s what they’re teaching. How to communicate with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 03:47 PM
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You’re overthinking. It’s unlikely they will interpret it as calculated, and if they do, so what? Like seriously who cares. At least you took your shot and if she turns you down there are plenty of other women. There’s nothing to lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 01:57 PM
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Yeah NEVER say “wow you’re beautiful” before even getting to know her. It’s dull and most guys will take the easy route of complimenting her looks. If you’re going to compliment it should be about something specific, like an item of clothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 01:55 PM
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he just isn’t even trying to communicate with women, and instead watching PUA chumps online Who do what, telepathically transmit their thoughts over to them or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 01:52 PM
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Who said anything about lying? I didn’t encourage lying, I just said, don’t engage in arguments and distance yourself instead until she is ready to apologise.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 07:24 PM
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Let me put it this way (I already explained it to someone else). A lot of men will try to “win” the argument and this is generally off putting to women. Being right is not always the most favourable situation, sometimes you just want to make amends. Women can often tell when a guy is doing this and even if he’s right they’ll be put off. So for guys it’s often best to just get some space in a heated argument instead of trying to prove they’re right. What you described sounds like an ideal scenari…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 12:31 AM
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Oh yeah, men can definitely overreact and get emotional too, and I didn’t say otherwise. My point was more that in an argument, a lot of men tend to resort to logic and try to “win” the argument, and it just doesn’t work. Women generally tend to focus more on the emotions, how they themselves and their partner are feeling at the time and what the motives are. And when they notice the guy trying to win the argument, instead of just communicating how they feel, they get put off and lose attraction…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 12:16 AM
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I didn’t say they hate logic, I just said it doesn’t work (if you’re trying to build up attraction). I have not heard of a single date where a guy has been super logical and factual, as opposed to funny, exciting, flirty, etc and has had it go well for him. I’ve actually had several women tell me this straight up, that when it comes to relationships they don’t think logically, but emotionally. You can think what you want, but as a guy, I’m just telling you what works for myself and others. Like …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 12:02 AM
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Generalisations can be useful. It's unrealistic to try and be successful with every woman, so RP generalises so that men can make the most effective decisions. We only need it to work on most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 11:40 PM
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So do you think a woman who has slept with that many men has mental issues too? There are plenty of male celebrities who have slept with that many women and more, because they can, lol. It doesn't mean they have mental issues, they're just enjoying life and get a lot of attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 08:58 PM
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Out of all the things I’ve had people disagree with me on in this sub, I really wasn’t expecting that to be one of them. It’s pretty common knowledge that women can get laid MUCH easier than men. I’m sorry but you are completely out of touch. You should try making a tinder profile as a man and see how few matches you get. A 3/10 woman gets more matches than a 7/10 man. There are studies upon studies to back this up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 08:28 PM
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Men are not the same as women. Men with a high n count are considered high value (they’re players). Women with a high n counts are hoes. It’s much easier for women to get laid than men. This topic has also come up on this sub hundreds of times.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 08:17 PM
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There’s no legit reason to prefer a 6ft tall guy if you’re not 6ft yourself. Have you realised how dumb your argument is yet?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 08:15 PM
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It’s not a lie just because you don’t agree with it. There are studies that show those with a high n-count are more likely to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 08:14 PM
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Imagine if the same was said about women and feminism. Stop trying to be victims! Just live your lives…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 08:13 PM
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Logic never works with women. Trying to argue or explain yourself will only get you into more trouble. I realised that if she pisses you off, giving her the cold shoulder is better than arguing. Just disappear for a while and she will come crawling back and never do it again. If you start an argument, your value goes down in her eyes. There is no negotiating, explaining or trying to reason with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 08:08 PM
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Your logic is contradictory because if women will love you regardless of who you are, then why should one have to improve themselves to find love? And what would it even mean to improve oneself as everyone has someone out there for them anyway (according to you). How would you know if you’ve improved? “People can love you for your results or despise them” - this is again promoting that it’s okay to be faulty and not work on yourself despite what you wrote next. I think there is some sense in wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:17 PM
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Don’t compliment her on her physical appearance, as a general rule. At least before you’ve had sex. You can compliment her on other things such as things you like about her personality or interests, talents/skills, specific articles of clothing or accessories etc. The more specific the compliment is the better. “You’re hot” comes across as super boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 12:50 PM
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Define “interesting”. Everyone is interesting in their own way and to the right person so this is really a meaningless term.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 11:53 AM
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Bullshit. What if your authentic self is not one that women find attractive? Then you’re screwed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 11:51 AM
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By “expand your horizon” do you mean picking up hobbies that one isn’t interested in, in the hopes of attracting women doing said hobby? That’s one of the most pathetic and un-masculine things I’ve ever heard suggested on here. I’d rather be proud of who I am and go do cold approach to meet women, than take knitting classes and hate every second of it just so that I occasionally have a chance to speak to a woman. I live my ideal life. I game, do a job that I enjoy, and go to the gym. I do what I…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 12:50 AM
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Nah. A lot of the women I meet and see on dating apps are short (I’m talking like 5ft) and want a guy above 6ft. They don’t go to the gym, have dead end jobs, etc and expect a guy who has his shit together and is in good shape. This is the norm these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 12:47 AM
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How is it a bait, he just asked a simple genuine question which you failed to answer without getting triggered.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 12:03 AM
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I don’t think it’s unreasonable to want to have genuine hobbies and still find a partner. Yet in the current dating market that’s not possible for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 11:57 PM
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“Own level of attractiveness” ha… that’s not how it works at all. A 4/10 woman is usually with a 7/10 guy. Women are hypergamous. It’s the women who are entitled and expect a perfect man when they’re below average themselves!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 11:55 PM
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Well as someone who works in tech I don’t approve of the misogyny and gatekeeping at all. Also any guy with half a brain knows most women can easily get bfs, they don’t have to choose certain hobbies for that. Men are the ones desperate for women not the other way around. Even a 4/10 woman these days will have at least a few guys interested in her. A 4/10 guy only has his hand and his porn collection.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 10:38 PM
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TIL that asking someone’s name is considered “bad game”, lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 10:15 PM
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Your first scenario is just cold approaching with friends though, but I agree that it can help.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 07:37 PM
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There are only so many single women you can hit on in your social circle. Soon enough you will “poison the well” and the others will find out you’re hitting on people and won’t want anything with you. This is why there’s no replacement for cold approach. You can mess up and make mistakes as much as you want, there’s billions of women to practice your game on and you’ll find someone who likes you eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 04:11 PM
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It’s kinda sad how women are allowed to have feminine hobbies but men have to give up their masculine hobbies (or pick up ones they don’t really enjoy) just to find a woman. At least this is what blue pillers often recommend as a “strategy” for meeting women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 03:57 PM
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Pretty much all teenagers masturbate. I’m talking late teens. Hormones are at their peak at that age. I interpreted the comment I was replying to as something totally different. The holes being there for a different purpose… Anyway, point still stands
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 12:31 AM
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Yeah and teen girls have giant dragon dildos and vibrators stashed under their beds, what's your point? That having sexual desire makes people emotionally unintelligent?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 11:16 PM
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This. I find it so funny when women shit on men for having poor "emotional intelligence" or not being in touch with their emotions. They must be unaware of how they look when they're angry or upset. Women will deflect their emotions and blame them on the man, refuse to take responsibility for their mistakes etc. Men actually are MORE emotionally intelligent if you think about how much they have to put up with from women. Constant rejection, taking the blame for everything, having all the respons…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 10:08 PM
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So basically, women now have the ability to be more selective and only desire the top 10% of men and that’s exactly what’s happening. Men mostly just take what they can get, and if you can choose from any male in the world to date, obviously you’re going to pick the very best one. So what we’re seeing is the majority of men being unwanted (some get settled for) and the top 10% get to pick from hundreds of women. Thanks for your insight, we now understand women so well.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 09:55 PM
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51% is most, so pretty close. What’s the point being precise when it’s just an estimate anyway? 😂 no one knows the exact percentage. There was also a study showing that most divorces are initiated by women. They just get bored and want to move on. Men in marriages are viewed as providers.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 01:36 PM
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About 50% of marriages in the US end in divorce. That is a fact
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 01:15 PM
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Of course, it’s always the man who is at fault right? Because women are innocent angels who can’t do anything wrong… according to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 05:51 AM
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Most marriages end in divorce so that’s just untrue. And I’m definitely not suggesting men give up on dating, just that they should see women for what they are and not catch any feelings whatsoever. Have fun with them and move on to the next. Guys who “fall in love” are the suckers who are going to get burned.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 05:48 AM
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If you are a provider then sure. If you’re the lover they don’t care.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 05:46 AM
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Have a read of some of the comments on the video. “Let's be honest: it's impossible to please women. I was married once. That ended in 2006. I hoped to remarry, but the women I met were crazy. They had illegitimate kids. They were foul mouthed. They were broke and in debt. They ghosted me. I'm not bad looking, and I've got a couple of million, but apparently I needed to be better looking and richer. It didn't matter that they brought little to the table. I was supposed to bring EVERYTHING to the…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 06:07 PM
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What does dating have to do with joining the workforce? You can date even if you’re unemployed.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 06:00 PM
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Yeah you’re right. I was being more on the conservative side when I said 20%. Even the study I linked shows just 10% of men getting 58% of all likes on the app. In all fairness, in your example those women could be taken or just not interested in a relationship. But then again that also applies to the men there.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 02:24 PM
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It’s called geomaxxing, and yes it works for some guys. Western women are often spoiled and have too high expectations. They want a man who’s tall, strong, kind but not a pushover, makes good money, physically attractive, well groomed, can cook and so on while they themselves have a lot of undesirable qualities (sleeping around and thinking they are progressive, entitled and not loyal, pushing back on household duties etc). A lot of this is due to the reliance on dating apps and adopting “modern…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 10:40 PM
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Because these are percentages, it doesn’t matter how many men are using the app. Let’s say all men on the platform receive a total of 100 likes in a given time frame. The bottom 50% (meaning HALF of all men using the app) will only receive 4 likes. In total. If there are more men using the app, that just means those 4 likes are now distributed between more men, since the total number of likes is still going to be the same. Female hypergamy is always the same. Even if there were a small number of…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 11:18 PM
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Sure, there are some bad apples of course, but I don’t agree that most of it is just complaining and shouting down women’s issues. There are some valid points made but they’re just not recognised as being valid; when they’re made the usual response is to “man up”, “stop sitting around whining and go change your life”, “your attitude is the reason why you’re an incel” and so on. I think it’s because it’s ingrained into society that men should fix their own problems and shouldn’t talk about them. …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 02:33 PM
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7.9% so closer to 8. It doesn’t sound like much, but that’s still almost double what men are getting. Men are also shallow on dating apps, there’s no denying that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:48 PM
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When men talk about men’s issues, they’re disgusting misogynists. When women talk about their issues we’re all supposed to listen and change society to suit their needs. Funny how that works?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:39 PM
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Yeah but they get almost none. Maybe this will give you some insight. https://qz.com/1051462/these-statistics-show-why-its-so-hard-to-be-an-average-man-on-dating-apps Bottom 50% got only 4.3% of all likes on the app. This is on hinge which is supposed to be more relationship focused, mind you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:30 PM
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I treat it like a supplement for my dating life. It shouldn’t be the priority, but there’s no harm in getting your swipes in every day. It take a few minutes. The rest is approaching IRL, and self improvement (gym, fashion, socialising)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 11:38 AM
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I think the question was more “why do men have to constantly be at their best, when they’re expected to tolerate women at their worst”?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 11:33 AM
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It’s not that there aren’t enough women, it’s that women will only swipe right on the top 20% of men. There is data to back this up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 11:31 AM
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Thank you. Some of the women on here don’t realise how ridiculous they sound. It’s about time we started calling out their BS. How about we do an experiment, take an ugly guy and give him some nice socks and a haircut, let’s see how many matches he gets.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 11:29 AM
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Sure, I can probably agree with that. The point is not to hate women but to understand their behaviour better and self-improve.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 02:42 PM
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I was addressing the fact that you didn’t really make a point. That’s a nice story but there are some big assumptions there. When you say they “believe everything they’ve read to be true” you’re acting like there isn’t data to back up red pill ideas. Data showing that women look for dark triad traits, hypergamy (women only being interested in the top 20% of men), AFBB, and so on. There are plenty of personal anecdotes and success stories of people implementing the stuff taught in red pill. If yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 12:54 PM
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I don’t think you know what neurodivergent means. It’s also interesting because people like you present no actual argument to refute the OP, yet use ad hominem attacks in an attempt to appear smart and superior. Unfortunately the opposite is true and you just make yourself look even more stupid, by not addressing the actual point made.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 07:40 AM
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Game still works but it’s becoming harder to do. You can’t approach someone on the street without being labelled a creep or sexual predator these days. Dating is increasingly happening through dating apps, where LMS is more important, at least initially. Social media also plays into this, high LMS guys can use Instagram and the like to flaunt their lifestyle and easily attract women. All that being said, I still approach in clubs and bars and it works well. Just gotta have some awareness, do it …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 02:18 PM
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How does sleeping around lead to damaged relationships or psychological issues though? If it’s consensual, the women are willingly participating in it. You can’t really blame men for damaging women if it’s also their decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 11:07 PM
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Not sure what you mean by that. In the 1970s people were meeting in person and there were no dating apps, so women weren’t able to choose from hundreds of chads in minutes and have their sexual needs met effortlessly, then have no desire left for the normal guys that actually want to get into relationships with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 04:48 PM
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Consequently, at great frustration to women, many men must experience their phase of casual sexual exploration while simultaneously looking for serious relationships. Never heard it explained so clearly before, but this is exactly it. They end up having short term relationships which are neither serious nor casual, because they want to explore sexually without putting women off.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 10:29 PM
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Women generally find older men attractive, this is easily verifiable by yourself if you do a quick google, I shouldn’t have to explain this very obvious concept. There are obviously exceptions to this and if the age gap is too large it can be detrimental.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 04:20 PM
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It always amazes me how people here (usually women) are not able to think in general terms and think one counter example disproves my overall point. I never claimed that this is going to work for every man in every situation like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 03:56 PM
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I’m talking in general terms, not a specific example. I’m sure there are some guys like this who women won’t settle for.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 03:01 PM
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It’s a perfectly valid strategy for men in their 30s. Women want an older guy with experience and financial stability, men want a younger, attractive woman. It’s win win.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 12:56 PM
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Man up bro. Idk, just like, grow taller? /s
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 12:54 PM
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Or they just desire some intimacy with the opposite sex, which is a very normal desire, and they’re unable to get it because dating is broken in 2023.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 07:36 PM
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Well originally the way it worked was that pick-up artists would look for 3-4 IOIs and that would be their trigger to approach or escalate. But it’s been wildly misinterpreted to mean “if a woman makes eye contact with me, she wants to have sex”. Eye contact can be an IOI, if you’re not already in conversation, and not doing something weird to make her look at you…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 09:50 AM
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How will it change your perspective if he says his N count is 10, or 50, or 100? A sample size of 1 is hardly proof of anything. Andrew Tate is pretty red pill and has a high N count, but again, it doesn't prove anything. If you really want to find a correlation you'd have to find the average N count of red pill advocates vs "normies". My guess from spending a lot of time on RP subs is that the average red pill dude has a much higher N count than the average guy, but that could just be because t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 07:26 PM
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Being muscular and strong is a masculine trait. That’s why women often do cardio instead of weights, they don’t want to put on too much muscle, they just want to slim down. The type of workout matters. There are obviously other things that affect your masculinity as well. Your testosterone levels contribute to it as well as how you dress, your facial structure, facial/bodily hair etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 01:03 PM
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Or limiting the number of each gender who can sign up, maintaining a 1:1 ratio or as close to that as possible. This is similar to what some clubs do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 10:22 AM
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Here’s another one from hinge. Hinge is more relationship-focused as well, so the stats are even worse for something like Tinder that is more heavily focused on looks. https://qz.com/1051462/these-statistics-show-why-its-so-hard-to-be-an-average-man-on-dating-apps The top 10% of men got 58% of all likes on the app. Absolutely shocking.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 02:40 PM
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There’s nothing wrong with men sleeping around, it just means they’re high value and can attract many women. For women on the other hand there is data that shows a high n count reduces their chances of staying loyal in a committed relationship. It ruins their ability to pair bond.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 01:55 PM
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Sounds like you’re bitter, not the men. You mad? Red pill is not about self victimising or dwelling on unfairness, it’s about understanding the dating market so men can have a sexual strategy and make better decisions for themselves. If that bothers you, go stay in your blue/pink pill or whatever subs where women and soyboys circle jerk each other all day and have no real discussion, don’t share any real facts and data, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 01:45 PM
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You can have confidence without any accomplishments. It depends where you derive your confidence from, some people base it on their accomplishments and features, others have an intrinsic confidence and self esteem that is there no matter what. This is “true” confidence in a sense because it doesn’t depend on anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 01:41 PM
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Why are the ones that are really good in bed always crazy/unstable? It’s definitely a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 12:52 PM
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Muscularity / physical fitness determines a man’s attractiveness as a mate: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1474704919852918 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0146167207303022 Women’s vs men’s mate preferences (stated vs actual preference) https://faculty.wcas.northwestern.edu/eli-finkel/documents/EastwickFinkel2008_JPSP.pdf Here’s a visualisation of the above study: https://img.ifunny.co/images/d84995a8d6ab5e68eab09db101a0f14cd3b05bd64946e111d9871cd8fafd815d_1.webp Notice how wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 03:45 PM
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There is data to show that women much prefer muscular men and that’s their ideal physique. They claim to like dad bods, but in reality they will almost never choose someone with a dad bod over a fit guy. And about the vanity aspect - correlation is not causation. If you’re a normal dude and acquire a six pack, it doesn’t mean you’ll start being vain and start cheating. It’s more the opposite, if you’re vain you’re more likely to want and have a six pack, and so statistically you’re also more lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 10:12 AM
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This is a myth, women care a lot more about looks/genes as well. And it makes sense because it’s their offspring too and they need it to survive and be healthy/successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 10:08 AM
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You made a blanket statement about all male romantic jealousy. I proved it wrong with a counter example. It can't all lead to violence because there are guys out there who are jealous and not violent.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 11:59 PM
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It's an interesting study, thanks for sharing. in long term partners kindness reigns king, while in short-term partners physical attractiveness is important but not the only measure. This is pretty much in line with TRP beliefs. I don't see any problem here. A high value male is more easily able to secure a short term partner, and low value males can sometimes get into long term relationships (if any) by providing their resources, but struggle to have anything short term, as they're not sexually…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 11:52 PM
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You have to set some boundaries in a healthy relationship. It's not always about insecurity. Sometimes your partner has the best intentions, but doesn't know how you're going to react in a certain situation. So they may think it's totally innocent to see someone of the opposite sex one on one, but you interpret it differently. That's why boundaries are necessary. And who's to say one person's feelings are more important than the other? You can argue that person A is restricting person B from doi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 11:34 PM
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Can't really argue with the study, although I still disagree with this Male romantic jealousy is a way to indicate that he will progress into domestic violence. As a guy who has experienced jealousy before, I can say that I've never been violent towards a partner and was never progressing to it. I also don't see any reason why they'd have to "indicate" that they're going to progress into violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 11:30 PM
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Sure. Here’s a study that shows women don’t really know what they want in a partner: https://faculty.wcas.northwestern.edu/eli-finkel/documents/EastwickFinkel2008_JPSP.pdf They compared the stated importance of several attributes (personality, attractiveness, earning power) with the actual importance by seeing if they correlated with relationship initiation. Here’s a visual depiction of the same study. https://img.ifunny.co/images/d84995a8d6ab5e68eab09db101a0f14cd3b05bd64946e111d9871cd8fafd815d_…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 08:54 PM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 03:37 PM
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That’s not going to end well. He’s clearly not comfortable with her behaviour and she just does it anyway, disregarding his feelings?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 03:36 PM
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I’m actually glad you shared a study. It’s interesting because I’ve never personally witnessed anything like it, or even heard of it, but I guess it could be more common in some places than others. But it doesn’t address my second point which is that you should know what your partner is like and whether they have any violent tendencies or not. If there is no history of violence then there’s no reason to assume they’re going to suddenly get violent when they’re jealous.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 03:29 PM
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Men will usually get violent towards another guy rather than the woman if they suspect cheating. A man hitting a woman has always been considered to be cowardly. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, domestic abuse is of course real but I just don’t think the connection with jealousy is that clear cut. Another thing is, women are very good at reading emotions (according to themselves). Surely they would know their partner’s personality and be able to assess whether he would be likely to become abusi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 02:47 PM
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That’s just unrealistic though. People are naturally going to feel jealous as a result of their partner talking to the opposite sex (in a way that seems flirtatious or there’s some possibility of cheating, etc). Not tolerating any kind of jealousy from both sides is equal, sure, but that’s just a recipe for disaster as someone is going to feel jealous at some point. Then what, they should just break up?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 02:39 PM
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I don’t know… I don’t do that with my partners and neither do any of the guys that I know. It seems like just a way to push these double standards. In fact I have very rarely seen any men become abusive as a result of jealousy, what’s more common is the woman takes it as an excuse to break up with the guy and sees it as a red flag for no reason. Abusive people are going to always find some excuse to be abusive, it doesn’t have to be jealousy, they can get mad at their partner for not washing the…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 01:54 PM
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I think your independence is something you should be responsible for yourself, as an individual. I don’t fight for my partner’s independence, she can tell me when I’m crossing some boundaries and vice versa. It would be odd if I kept pushing her to be as independent as possible. That may come across as me just not being interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 01:41 PM
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I agree with this. I think the problem is that the behaviour IS often viewed as jealousy in the eyes of some women (though it shouldn’t really be).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 09:54 AM
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I don’t understand. Are you suggesting that it has become so overused that it’s lost its meaning? Because I think women in particular do virtue signal a lot and the example I gave (and the guy who replied to me) shows that. There is a very clear, undeniable difference between what women claim and how they actually behave.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 09:52 AM
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I would change that from “fiercely defend their independence” to “fiercely defend the relationship”. If they’re your SO why would you want them to be independent?? That’s called being single.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 09:50 AM
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But words really don’t mean anything when their actions suggest the opposite to what they claim
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 08:22 AM
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Okay, who you would choose to have sex with then. The point is what women claim to be their type is usually not their type.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 11:38 PM
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Who you choose to have sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 11:36 PM
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Nah, what you focus on is what you get good at, and getting women is no different. IME what worked was putting everything into it. Working on posture, dress sense, vocal tone, developing better conversation skills, eye contact, being more dominant, hitting the gym... Without those things no woman was going to magically come to me. Focusing on your career and hobbies is NOT going to get you laid. Go out and approach 50 girls a day.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 11:30 PM
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Your choice of sexual partners would most likely prove otherwise. Words don't mean much. Virtue signalling.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 11:21 PM
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the public expression of opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or social conscience or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue. It's when women say one thing to look good, but behave in a totally different way. Another very common example is "I love short guys! My 6 ft 7 boyfriend is just an exception"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 11:19 PM
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This is obviously completely anecdotal, but I actually know someone who was advised by a therapist to get a girlfriend. The point is, there are a whole lot of emotional and psychological benefits to being in a relationship, or at least having some sort of romantic/sexual activity in your life. Having no sexual or romantic interactions, ever, is far from healthy for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 11:06 PM
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I think it's a combination of both. The way I see it, both of those things are positive for a relationship (preventing her meeting unsafe men, and more comfort for myself as I don't have to worry about her cheating). Which is why I don't see a mild amount of jealousy as a big issue, either from myself or from my partner. It goes back to my original point. It gets over exaggerated as a problem quite a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 10:56 PM
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Idk, it's an interesting story and maybe there's a part of it that I'm missing but it sounds like this is actually proving my point. The guy still stayed with her even though she was that insecure. She sounds borderline crazy and yet the guy just accepted it. Do you think if the roles were reversed and the guy was that jealous she would still be with him?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 10:42 PM
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No, violent/abusive men are the men who hit their women. Insecurity has nothing to do with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 10:32 PM
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Men are more likely to kill or injure women in general, in or out of a relationship, jealousy or not. That's because they're, on average, bigger and stronger than women, hence more potential for damage or harm to occur. It doesn't say anything about who is more violent (though more testosterone could lead men to be more violent too), just that the violence is more "effective" when men do it. It also doesn't prove anything when it comes to the jealousy argument - men are more likely to hurt women…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 10:31 PM
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I would say women care more about it than men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 10:25 PM
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As I said, I've come to this conclusion from my personal experience, anecdotes online, the personal experiences of other people I've spoken to, and so on. Do you have any references to show that I'm wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 10:15 PM
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It's not a cognitive distortion, it's how statistics work. If I take 100 people and 70 believe what I just stated, that's a majority. So I can say that in general this is what society believes (obviously you can then increase the sample size and make this more accurate, etc, it's just a very basic example). And it's not mind reading if those are my observations, and the observations of other people I've spoken to. It's taking a hypothesis and confirming it based on my own experiences and those o…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 10:10 PM
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This is not about any specific individual. I can't point to a specific person and say "this is what they believe". It's a generalisation - this is what the average person believes, and that in itself is the problem. Everyone forms society. As I mentioned before, consensus is important because if you're dating a woman, chances are, this is going to be what she believes. The average woman likely won't tolerate a jealous man, but the average man will tolerate a jealous woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 09:38 PM
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Yes, and insecurity or jealousy is seen as a sign of the man being "weak". That's probably the underlying reason why women care so much about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 09:35 PM
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Generally accepted by society (friends, family, strangers, etc). You don't have to care, the important point though is that this is the consensus on who's right and who's wrong. Basically, there's favouritism towards women. It also can affect individual relationships as women often ask for advice from their friends and family when it comes to relationship problems, which forms their beliefs and decisions. Men do too, to an extent, but not as much as women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 09:32 PM
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It depends on the male friend and their interactions. If I sense he has some kind of interest in my partner, then no. A long term platonic male friend is probably fine. I think you're probably right, and someone else mentioned something similar. Hadn't really considered that communicating it early could be better, but it makes sense I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 09:20 PM
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Of course, either side is free to break up at any time. That's a given. But there are certain things that are considered "acceptable" and "not acceptable" by society, in a relationship. One obvious one is abuse, that should obviously not be a part of any relationship. When it comes to jealousy there's a discrepancy though, male jealousy is less tolerated than female jealousy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 09:08 PM
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That's the whole topic of discussion. My point is that generally, it's more acceptable for women to be jealous than men. There can be exceptions though. I know for example that most guys I know don't really care, and see it as just how women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 09:05 PM
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I wouldn’t want my partner to be around another guy one on one, especially if they have some romantic/sexual history together. For example going for dinner together. I also wouldn’t be okay with my partner staying over at another guy’s place or a guy staying at her place with none of her other friends around.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 08:58 PM
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Fair enough, I guess it's subjective what someone considers to be excessive, but the degree to which they're jealous can make a difference for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 08:48 PM
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That’s just because they’re physically stronger on average though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 08:41 PM
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I think overall it’s probably true that men are more likely to kill or injure their partner, but that’s probably just a result of them having more testosterone and aggressive tendencies in general, rather than it being a consequence of jealousy. Of the two, men tend to be more violent. I still don’t think a man being jealous is any worse than a woman being jealous though, or poses any more risk to the relationship. Violent people are gonna be violent regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 08:40 PM
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Yep there definitely is a cultural expectation. It’s almost seen as a good thing for a woman to be jealous. Not the case for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 08:37 PM
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Maybe it’s just me, but I think the violence thing is over-emphasised. I’ve met very few “jealous” guys who are actually violent and abusive to their partners, they just want the boundaries to be respected in their relationship just like women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 08:36 PM
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This is exactly what I mean. It’s actually a good thing if a woman is slightly insecure/jealous. It means she actually cares. For the guy, it’s going to be detrimental though and it’s in his best interests to AVOID coming across as jealous or insecure.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 08:34 PM
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I think you’re one of the few guys who actually cares about this though. Most guys will let it slide and that’s the problem. They pass it off as just “eh, that’s how women are”.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 08:32 PM
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See I actually disagree with this, I think jealousy is normal in small doses and means your partner cares about you. I would be slightly concerned if my partner didn’t feel jealous when I’m around other women. Likewise, I don’t expect her to care when I feel jealous, because I’m protective of her and don’t want her around other guys. I don’t think that’s a fault, and will remind her of this when needed. Her seeing other dudes is not okay. We’re monogamous and that should be respected on both sid…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 08:29 PM
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While I agree with most of what you wrote, there are some parts I disagree with. For example do you think there is any data analysis done to verify "conventional" dating advice? Red pill relies on data more than any other dating ideology/belief. Let's see what data there is to back up these so-called common sense truths like "just be yourself", be a nice guy and you'll get women, or personality matters more than looks. I'm open minded but there is nothing backing up these beliefs at all. Very ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 08:58 PM
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Dating apps are one of the main ways that people meet nowadays, and the percentage of relationships formed from OLD is only increasing. So while the data may only represent OLD, it’s still very relevant. There are plenty of other studies that aren’t OLD based as well. If you wrote for the manosphere you should know this. It’s a shame to see people convert after already taking the pill. Even if it doesn’t apply to primates, it does to humans and it’s clear as the top men get most of the likes and…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 04:47 PM
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There’s actually quite a lot of data backing up red pill beliefs, so I don’t think it’s pseudo psychology. You say alphas don’t exist in our species but there are plenty of examples of AF/BB dynamics at play. In fact you can see it in almost every relationship. I also don’t agree that it’s just a reaction to feminism, RP is about understanding female (and male) psychology and then deriving an effective male sexual strategy based on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 03:26 PM
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There’s also plenty more data to show that the Earth isn’t flat, which is why that’s the scientific consensus. So until you have some data to disprove the OP, we can only assume he’s right. The burden of proof is now on you if you think he’s wrong, as he already gave his justification. It was also common sense to use asbestos in buildings before the 1960s. We now know it causes lung cancer thanks to more research. Point is, following “common sense” can be misleading. You’re just following the he…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 03:19 PM
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Because this is the typical response of blue pill / no pill advocates when they’re presented with data showing they’re wrong. It’s not about shaming, it’s about establishing the truth so that people are aware of the effects of a high n count (red pillers already know this). It will help men to get stable and happy relationships. It’s like if someone comes out with research that burgers are bad for you and you just reply “if you don’t like burgers, just don’t eat them then”. It adds no value to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 01:58 PM
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“Be kind and considerate” “Your personality and character will have the greatest impact” This is pretty blue pill thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 11:38 AM
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Way to deflect away from the argument and try to pull the morality card. OP shared some data suggesting something, because that’s the purpose of this sub, to debate facts. And you think he’s “shaming” women? The point is to prove people like you wrong so we don’t have to hear nonsense about body count not mattering on here again.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 11:20 AM
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So asking the fish how to catch fish instead of the fisherman. Good luck with that
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 02:05 AM
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There is no short term mating bag of tricks that will get a woman to be attracted to you who was not otherwise already attracted to you. This doesn't really make sense, what do you consider to be "otherwise already attracted"? For example if I go to the gym to improve my appearance, dress stylishly, start a skincare routine, get a haircut etc would you still consider the changes to my appearance part of the "bag of tricks", or my innate attraction? Because most of what RP teaches is not just pic…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 01:55 AM
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Height doesn't matter You lost all credibility here, it's very clear that height is a factor that contributes to male sexual market value. Looks are also very important.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 01:48 AM
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I would argue that while it is just a narrow slice, it exists to serve a purpose for men - to improve their sex lives, and it does that very well. Just because a hammer isn't also a screwdriver doesn't mean it's not a good hammer. Different tools for different purposes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 01:46 AM
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Just because successful guys don't know of RP, doesn't mean they don't still apply the same concepts that RP teaches, just without knowing about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 01:41 AM
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I didn't say the victim should be punished. The perpetrator should be punished for their crime accordingly, but the victim is responsible for their actions and getting into the situation in the first place, so it is not wrong to judge them for that. In other words I agree with the OP that people deliberately and continuously getting into these bad relationships lack self awareness. They are unable to learn from their own mistakes. It's their responsibility that they get into a good relationship …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 01:24 AM
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Pretty sure OP is talking about red flags that are ignored by women, only for them to be surprised when something bad happens to them. Like if you willingly date a convicted criminal can you really play the victim card when they get abusive with you? Of course he should still be punished, but the woman could have made a better choice and prevented the situation in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 10:05 PM
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That's not how sexual desire works. Unless we chop our balls off, we have no control over our attraction to women and desire for sex. It's not like we can just turn gay because women are irrational. Straight men have to either put up with women's behaviour and somewhat attempt to understand it, or have their base desires unfulfilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 09:57 PM
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Yes, parallel interactions are a must if you're a single man. Play the numbers game and have a far higher chance of success. On dating apps it's implied anyway, the apps are designed so that you keep swiping and talking to multiple people at the same time. Who gets one match on Tinder and just stops swiping altogether?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 09:46 PM
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"Let's just be friends" is code for "this guy is unfuckable". This is common knowledge in the manosphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 02:47 PM
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I just linked you a study which shows the opposite. Men have higher suicidal intent. Besides, what do you count to be "attempted suicide"? The success rate is much more telling and shows actual intent.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 02:10 PM
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It’s subjective but if you look up a picture of Gigachad he is one example. I know, he’s not a real person but it demonstrates some of the important features. Sharp jawline, hunter eyes, good hair, muscular body, white teeth, flat/negative eyebrow tilt, symmetrical face etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 01:49 PM
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I don’t think that’s true. It’s difficult to categorise an attempted suicide vs general self harm. This study shows that men who self harmed had a higher suicidal intent, on average. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/the-british-journal-of-psychiatry/article/value-of-measuring-suicidal-intent-in-the-assessment-of-people-attending-hospital-following-selfpoisoning-or-selfinjury/5998207CACFA9665CA9E07F98FA2960C And as you rightly stated, men were more successful, in other words more men actua…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 01:37 PM
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Now take a look at the suicide statistics and come back to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 01:05 PM
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Of course there are average men and women. I was just looking at the two extremes (high and low value) for simplicity's sake. In reality maybe you'd have a 6/10 woman trying to get an 8/10 guy, or a 7/10 trying to get a 9/10 etc. Key point being the hypergamous nature of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 02:56 AM
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You misunderstood what I wrote, I didn't say women are all in LTRs with above average men. My point was that women are hypergamous. They date up, so they will look for a man more attractive than they are. If they're not able to get into an LTR with a man more attractive than them, some settle and some choose to remain single until they do. You have to also bear in mind that not all relationships are stable and ones that are going to last long term. Women won't be happy with a man of equal attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 02:29 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 10:11 PM
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You have to look at the general population rather than just a single example. This is a generalisation and of course there are some exceptions. First of all a very high value “alpha” is rare in today’s society. If you look at male celebrities / billionaires etc they often date very attractive women, but those who are not even close to them in terms of wealth and social status. Even they would struggle to maintain a relationship with a woman who is highly attractive, high social status, and extre…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 04:51 PM
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They’re happy to wait until they find a high value male, because they would rather have no one at all than someone low value. It’s like when you receive some low bids for something you know is really valuable. You know it’s worth more, so why settle?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 04:42 PM
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Women don’t think that way. They only have sex with someone they’re attracted to. “I didn’t like him anyway” is just an excuse / back rationalisation for when the guy rejects her after sex. It’s like when a child says “FINE, I didn’t want those sweets anyway” out of frustration when their parent tells them they can’t have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 04:23 PM
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Exactly! People listen to their emotions more than logic, which is why this still isn’t common knowledge. There is plenty of data to back this up.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 04:15 PM
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The average man is not attractive to the average woman. Women want a man well above average and many are happy to stay single until they can get one.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 01:30 PM
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Men should be players, it’s the natural way of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 12:00 PM
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Yes 100%.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 02:57 AM
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I was talking about an ideal scenario. Obviously not every relationship works that way, and many relationships also don't work out. These days a lot of men don't know how to be dominant and lead a woman, either in the bedroom or outside of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 02:29 AM
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From a quick google, there have been some matriarchal societies in the past and in modern times but they're few and far between. They're typically small tribes and are hardly successful economically or technologically etc, though women are apparently happier in these cultures. Point still stands though, traditionally men are the dominant ones and most women also prefer it that way. I was talking more about relationship dynamics anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 02:13 AM
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You’re right. Blue/no pill advocates provide little to no data to back up their claims, so we can only assume red pill are right despite how much BP like to talk. I know they’re different things. I was saying Reddit is predominantly blue pill AND leftist. And there is likely some correlation between those two. There is like one red pill mod, yes it’s a mix but very much predominantly blue pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 04:05 PM
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Yeah because monogamy and loyalty leads to healthy children (mentally and physically) and a healthier relationship which is more likely to last long term. What’s your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 03:35 PM
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It’s complete bullshit, no woman deep down wants a submissive man. She could be mentally ill or just have low standards and self esteem. People do all sorts of mental gymnastics these days to convince themselves that they’re happy. Are you really basing your argument on these anomalies? I’m talking about traditional relationships. It’s funny because if you look at many third world countries they have a very low percentage of these kind of atypical relationships. They are formed from a situation …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 03:32 PM
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Then I guess you’re also in favour of not judging men based on their height, salary, or muscle mass. Which is never going to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 03:26 PM
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They’re biological women, and so yes, they have the same behaviour biologically hard wired and their mating strategy is the same as for any other woman. But as a user mentioned below me, I’m not attracted to them and so have no interest in taking advantage of this fact. It’s important to understand it’s not a “bad” thing, the truth has no labels, it’s just how the world works.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 02:51 PM
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Men are not the same as women, nor should they be treated the same. Men are evaluated based on different standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 02:47 PM
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This is all about expectations. An “above average” man will generally expect to be able to attract an above average looking woman, but if you consider hypergamy that absolutely isn’t the case these days. Men have to date down. If you’re a 7, you’ll maybe be able to attract a 5. Not understanding this concept is why so many men are frustrated today. Unattractive men know they’re unattractive so they lower their standards and often don’t have high expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 02:14 PM
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If you had read some elementary red pill stuff you would know about AWALT - all women are like that. Some may appear to be “nice girls” but secretly they’ve sucked hundreds of dicks or are looking for a beta to provide for them. The idea is that this behaviour is hard wired into their biology, it’s their mating strategy. So that’s why it doesn’t matter where you go. You could be out partying or talking about books with a girl in a library. You always apply the same principles and see women for w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 02:08 PM
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Why do you care about height, salary, muscle mass, etc (I’m assuming you’re a woman). Because it determines the value of your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 02:03 PM
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Whores will do whatever it takes to justify their disgusting behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 01:51 PM
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You assumed wrong then. This is not about my personal situation nor do I want to discuss it, I’m making a statement about how difficult online dating is for the average male. It’s great that you’re getting the most out of your 1-2 likes though, not every guy would be as optimistic about the situation as you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 05:13 PM
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How is that not blindingly obvious? We’ve just seen that most RP posts are removed due to censorship. It’s the only thing making the debate look even remotely “equal”. If all our best arguments are removed by the blue pill mods then there is no way we can prove anything and win people over. Reddit is a blue pill leftist echo chamber. People being offended should not be a reason to remove posts. You have demonstrated little intelligence yourself so I wouldn’t worry about mine if I were you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 01:47 PM
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It depends on how you define “forming a connection”. A woman is at her most vulnerable during sex, so her allowing a man to get her in that situation means there is trust and the deepest level of connection and attraction. It is the deepest form of intimacy possible. Change my mind. And of course I’m going to disagree that a short and ugly man won’t benefit from dark triad traits in his personality. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886913012245 In this study if you read…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 01:37 PM
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I made no comment about myself, neither did I say anything about success, I simply stated if you’re not good looking you’ll be getting max 1-2 likes a week. Which you do so you’re obviously just proving my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 10:24 AM
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And they get zero results, if you’re talking about normal men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 03:29 AM
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Stopped reading at 6 5". That's probably why
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 02:59 AM
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It requires the least amount of effort which makes it the easiest but it delivers the fewest actual results for average men which hardly makes it convenient. I think you misunderstood me there. My point was that average men are missing out on the convenience of online dating, because of the fact that they're not getting any results from it. If they were above average, it would be far more convenient for them than dating IRL. So while average men can do well in real life, they're still at a huge …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 02:57 AM
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Yes redpill is heavily censored. So much for free speech. Unfortunately in this day and age even if something is correct and there is data to back it up, if it offends enough people it'll get censored or "cancelled". You can thank new age feminism and other social justice movements for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 02:46 AM
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No, but I'm guessing it means that they still have to put up with the guy that they married for money. They can have other attractive qualities aside from just being rich though. My point was that women generally are not as career focused as men, and they often don't have to be. You're right though, some don't have rich husbands. Still they're often financially much better off, because they have fewer people depending on them financially and have fewer financial responsibilities. Men are expecte…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 02:43 AM
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We are actually telling you why you’ll always be alone. Because you’re a shitty nasty person. Women finding nice guys attractive has been debunked hundreds of times, here, on other subs, fucking everywhere. Debating this is a waste of time at this point. There are also studies showing that the dark triad traits are attractive to women. Until you can find some studies that show the contrary (I've seen none), you are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 02:31 AM
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Regardless of whether it's a majority or not, 39% is still quite high. That percentage has been steadily increasing over the years. You also haven't considered that it's the easiest and most convenient way to date. Realistically most guys have a limited number of single women in their social networks they can hit on (if any), and cold approaching is tough. Not being able to use online dating is a huge handicap.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 02:23 AM
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Jesus, I thought this was real, then I remembered what the average Reddit user looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 01:31 AM
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Where are you finding these "career driven" women? From what I've seen most women don't care as much about their careers as men do, because they can just marry a rich man who will provide for them. If not her husband, the men in her family such as her father will provide for her, because it's much more socially acceptable for a woman to ask for financial support than a man. A man would just be told to get a job. This again shows how privileged women are in the west. They don't really have to wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 01:28 AM
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So if someone doesn't agree with your blue pill beliefs (or even better, provides studies to prove them wrong) you resort to personal insults, got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 01:19 AM
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If you don't look like one of these guys, you're getting max 1-2 likes a week. Online dating is dead.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 01:14 AM
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Depends if you want to use it as something practical to help you be more successful with women, or just to understand the dating market. Descriptive TRP as you call it is the correct view, but on its own doesn't do much to help men improve. That's why I think both are equally important. And the self improvement side of TRP does work in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 01:06 AM
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It shows that blue pill beliefs only survive due to censorship.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 01:00 AM
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And that's also why they're ignorant and don't bother to research and understand the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 12:58 AM
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Yup it is 100% the censorship which is keeping all this bluepill nonsense around without it completely being shot down.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 12:54 AM
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wtf are you talking about? The whole point of TRP is for men to work on themselves. You're mistaking it for black pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 12:46 AM
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So nothing to do with it being a poll then. If you can show me another study suggesting the opposite with a larger sample size, then I'll believe your claim. Otherwise evidence so far points to monkey branching being a real phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 12:32 AM
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Except it's not a kink, it's reality. This is how women really act online and IRL. You're also confusing MGTOW with red/black pill, MGTOW by definition don't care about women or their psychology at all and just do their own thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 04:27 PM
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What is wrong with free use porn? It’s just a fantasy, nothing more. If you want to go there, rape (roleplay) is one of the top female sex fantasies. You can look it up. Once again, irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 03:05 PM
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Aside from it being a poll what do you actually think is "bad" about the data? Unless you think the 1000 women surveyed lied about their relationship situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 02:37 AM
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This is not even comparable to porn. Porn stars do it for money and everyone knows that. Porn is not a good reflection of real life sex, it’s just what people like to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 03:30 PM
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Based on what? How can you even measure that?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 06:52 PM
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It’s not a dilemma. They want a girl who fucks them on the first date, because they’re so attracted to them, but not anyone else. Due to them being selective with high standards they also have a low n count.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 12:16 PM
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Can’t wait for women to come on here and claim these are bots or come up with some other lame excuse to try and protect their image of innocence. This is how chads are treated. The game on easy mode.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 04:28 AM
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Bluepillers have been awfully quiet since this post 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 04:23 AM
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I think confidence is just a vague blanket term that doesn't really mean much. You can't just tell someone to "be confident", it takes time to build up. For me what helped was: Working on my dress sense (trying to dress somewhat stylishly) Posture Vocal tonality (trying to keep my voice deep and sounding more masculine) Trying to always lead the interaction while on dates and be dominant Demonstrating sexual intent - this could be as simple as saying her outfit looks hot, to trying to bring up a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 07:14 PM
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Relevant post: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/zz5uh9/how_blue_pilled_or_red_pilled_you_are_rarely/ I actually agree with this even though I completely despise BP philosophy. It’s not about what you believe, it’s the action that matters. That’s why you see blue pillers that are still successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 05:25 PM
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The most important thing necessary for guys to start getting results is to TAKE ACTION. Reading RP philosophy and watching Tate videos all day isn’t going to give you any results. In fact, that is what RP teaches first and foremost. You have to hit the gym, approach girls and actually put this stuff into practice. You can read all the theory in the world but you will be no better with girls unless you actually apply it. I was successful in applying RP concepts but I also started hitting the gym …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 05:19 PM
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If what you said was true, monkey branching wouldn't even be possible because women would already be with the highest value man they can get from the start. I'm explaining why it does still happen despite hypergamy. Women will pick a high value guy, but not necessarily the best they can possibly find, then work their way up. The point is, when you are in an equal value partnership, monkey branching is not happening, because nobody is going to date down for you to be able to monkey branch. Here i…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 02:55 PM
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You're missing the point completely. It's not about him having any bearing on your relationship options. The fact that so many men are sexless SHOWS that they have no choice, because if they did have a choice, they wouldn't be sexless.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 11:34 PM
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So we have some data from an online poll, versus none at all to suggest that the opposite is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 11:24 PM
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If sexlessness doesn’t show a lack of control over relationship status/sexual activity then I don’t know what does.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 11:23 PM
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Here's an article with some data showing sexlessness rising rapidly for men in the past few years and staying almost the same for women, as well as the percentage of male virgins. https://medium.com/hello-love/the-number-of-sexless-men-has-tripled-in-10-years-why-e97e7165d2a1 Before you say something about the quality of the source/data, the data in this article is taken from the General Social Survey. I look forward to any evidence showing the contrary!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 03:27 PM
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I have and that's why I'm here sharing personal experience and data backed by studies. Nice try though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 01:55 PM
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Women have more control over their relationship status. They can get into relationships pretty much whenever they want, and if they choose to be single it can be due to career, wanting to be overly picky (waiting for the 10 or 9 to come along), wanting to sleep around, etc. A large percentage of men are "involuntarily celibate" so they are single, sexless and have no choice. So yes, while approx the same number of men and women are in relationships (ignoring LGBT relationships as that complicate…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 02:57 AM
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And where is that data? I see that someone already posted some data to the contrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 02:46 AM
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Having kids is not an issue, women will often win custody of kids in divorces. They take the kids with them and raise them with the higher value male. Rinse and repeat.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 02:43 AM
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That would be true in a perfectly efficient dating market (everyone everywhere has access to their highest value match). In reality, supposing the woman is living in a small town, she would probably find and date the highest status male in that town that would accept her. If she then moved to a big city where she had access to many more options, she could then monkey branch to another higher status male.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 02:39 AM
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A study with a small sample size, no peer reviews, bad source etc is better than no study at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 02:30 AM
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One could argue that being handsome is harder in a probabilistic sense. Attractive people are "rarer" (being only the top x% of the population). The same applies to height.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 02:25 AM
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Citation needed on the "moderate" part.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 02:21 AM
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This. Equality of opportunities != equality of outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 01:59 AM
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Yes it makes life easier, and a man who is in control of his finances, can be laid back and can decide to take his partner to five star hotels/restaurants when he wants is very attractive. Or a man that can retire early and dedicate all his time to his hobbies and partner. Money buys freedom, power and choice and those things are attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 11:19 AM
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I didn’t say you can, although it definitely helps for a guy to make a lot of money
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 10:51 AM
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Kind of missing the point, that’s just temporary and the market moves in cycles. Right now they may be on 150k, in a few years it’ll be 250k.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 10:50 AM
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Okay… it’s a very subjective term so can mean different things to different people. Usually women use it to refer to a man’s demeanour, if he is confident, dominant, sexual and laid back they will usually get positive vibes. Obviously you can then break that down further to talk about eye context, posture, facial expressions, tone, choice of words, amount of sexual intent they are injecting into the conversation etc. But this will all depend on the particular interaction and people involved. Tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 10:48 AM
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Never said they did. I said their behaviour in dating can be quantified (what they look for in terms of looks, money, status, personality, height, muscle, etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 10:42 AM
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Everything can be quantified, even in dating
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 03:03 AM
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When that has happened in the past, I’ve waited, had sex with her, then blocked and ghosted her just to make it a point that I will NOT be that guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 03:02 AM
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They're obsessed for a good reason. Because it happens, and more men (and women) need to know, accept and understand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 01:03 AM
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Yeah that stuff is not common sense pal. At the very least most guys expect loyalty from their partner and for women to not be materialistic. Little do they know women are in fact less loyal than men and more materialistic (focusing on height, looks, money, status, and so on).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 01:01 AM
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The fact that there are hundreds of threads in this sub regarding this very topic shows that you're wrong. And yes, most people are inconsistent in some way but I'm talking specifically about this behaviour of claiming something and behaving differently to that around a certain subset of men. Men don't have this same kind of dualistic approach to dating. Making beta males wait for sex is a common dating strategy which demonstrates the AF/BB dynamic which is often talked about here. The goal bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 12:44 AM
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You’re being purposefully obtuse and pedantic about definitions to avoid addressing the (very valid) point that was made. Weird that I understand what he was trying to say yet you somehow can’t? Women are often inconsistent in their behaviour - they will claim they will never sleep with a man on the first date yet do it for the “right guy”. Or the opposite, claim that they always hook up but for a certain type of guy make him wait. This is inconsistency, and demonstrates a clear duality in how m…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 11:23 PM
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It’s all about dominance and asserting your masculinity. When this finally clicked for me, my dating life changed completely. Previously I was getting close to no results as a fairly attractive guy and didn’t understand why. In every interaction for a woman you should be asking, who is taking the lead in this interaction? Am I getting offended by her teasing or throwing it back at her? Am I the one taking her to places or following her lead? Am I moving this forward sexually? Most guys are never…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 10:51 AM
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Marriage is a commitment to stay loyal to someone and to be with them for life. That is literally the purpose of marriage, it's not just two people having feelings for one another. You might think it's normal to cheat in a marriage, I don't. I wouldn't do it, I wouldn't tolerate it, nor would I ever marry someone who I thought would have the slightest inclination to do so. Anyway, going back to OP's studies, thankfully we have some ways of vetting people to get an idea of their character prior t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 11:09 PM
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Thank you. I think we can finally close the N count topic and conclude that it does in fact matter, and that it affects infidelity rates (who would've guessed?)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 10:44 PM
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So you want people to just accept that they're going to get cheated on? Sounds like a great strategy... Sure, a lot of this is out of the individual's control, but I think if most people can reduce their chances of getting cheated on by picking the right partner, they'll do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 10:32 PM
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You can enjoy sex and be monogamous. So it's more "promiscuous women are more likely to cheat", and "promiscuous women are more likely to cheat than promiscuous men".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 10:27 PM
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Usually for men it's the opposite actually. High self esteem is more attractive, so those men are more likely to be promiscuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 10:17 PM
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Whatever u think u are on a 1 to 10 scale, deduct about 5 points and that is your female equivalent dating pool as a man Exactly. So if you're a 4 as man, you should look for a woman who is a... -1? And that's why some men give up. Everyone is out of their league.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 11:17 PM
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I don't think OP is talking about giving up on relationships. He is referring to incels, those who are completely sexually undesirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 10:46 PM
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Where did you read "out of their league" or did you just assume that for some reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 10:44 PM
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What are you even talking about? I didn’t mention anything about psychology. You seemed to think having 0 citations had something to do with the quality of the paper, and I just pointed out that it doesn’t really.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 02:21 PM
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Well, I don’t think a true incel would really care because they’re not having sex anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 08:25 AM
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If you think a study needs citations in order to be a good study, I don’t think you know what a citation is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 08:23 AM
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If you read the rest of the comment you would realise I wasn’t suggesting that he can just exist and attract women effortlessly. That was the complete opposite of my point. I was saying he needs to invest time and effort and maybe then in a few years he will have a higher SMV and be attractive like the “older guys”.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 08:20 AM
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So would you be okay with your partner staying over at another woman's house all the time? After all, why would you be with a man you can't trust? You have to draw the line somewhere, trust only goes so far. There have to be boundaries in a relationship. Your logic is basically gaslighting and putting the blame on the man for lack of "trust" when he may have a valid reason to question the woman's motives.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 11:26 PM
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Well, that was a pretty rude and shallow reason to reject that guy, but obviously it doesn't justify physical assault. Any half intelligent guy who has spent time reading about the pill ideologies knows about women's shallow and materialistic preferences, and shouldn't get angry about it. I can understand that phrase being used as a self defence mechanism of sorts, but it's still not very honest. I guess if we're going with that logic it should be fine for men to lie too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 11:19 PM
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Getting older isn't going to magically make everything easier. If you don't make an effort to approach women, learn social skills, improve your physique, dress well... Guess what, you'll be the same person in a few years, just a bit older. A 20M is in his prime and has everything he needs in order to attract women. And tinder certainly does not get any better as you get older. It's skewed in favour of women and always will be. My advice to the 20 year old guy is don't waste your time on tinder, …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 11:01 PM
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While I acknowledge that men control commitment, I don't entirely agree that commitment is where the power lies or it's what actually matters. A lot of guys and even some women prefer to just have casual sex than get into a relationship, for them that's desirable and that's what gives them power. It's the individual's choice how much they want to value something, and often we want what we can't have.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 05:21 PM
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This is a perfect analogy for what Tinder is like for women in 2022.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 04:51 PM
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How is that an issue? You want women to control everything, both sex and relationships? That would be chaos. Women are already picky enough when it comes to sexual partners and now a large percentage of men are involuntarily celibate as a result.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 04:50 PM
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Exactly, it's not enough these days to be a normal guy with a decent job and home. You have to stand out and be above average to have a woman. I've had women on here tell me they would rather be single than date a man who doesn't meet their standards, and I totally believe that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 04:45 PM
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How is not meeting some ridiculous, arbitrary standards set by women a "fault" of men? Should we just apologise for not being born above 6ft, not having an 8 inch dick, not having the time to hit the gym 5 times a week, not having a sharp jawline? Sorry, I'll just go back and ask my mom to give birth to me again but with better genes this time 🤣 What are women doing to meet men's standards, apart from putting on some makeup half an hour before a date?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 04:21 PM
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None of this is personal, and you trying to make it about me just shows you're running out of arguments. I neither respect nor disrespect women, I'm just stating what the current reality is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 04:14 PM
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Having standards is not the same as chemistry. You can realise that you have chemistry with someone in the moment while you're on a date, standards are requirements that you consciously decide ahead of time. None of this is "chemistry": I want a man above 6ft, despite being short myself I want a rich man, even though I have no money of my own I want a muscular man, but I've never stepped inside a gym in my life And the list goes on. You should really reconsider being an apologist for women and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 04:12 PM
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I wasn't suggesting they are two mutually exclusive states, they can and do occur at the same time. Women can have ridiculously high standards and sleep around, and this is often the case especially for younger women in their teens / early 20s. But we're getting into details here. we just want general attraction, effort, and human respect This is quite a vague criteria and you'll have to be more specific if you're going to criticise my view and claim women have such simple standards. What is "ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 02:27 PM
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Wearing makeup, heels and push up bras is deceitful too, just remember that. I think guys should feel less shame about doing these kind of things. It’s just levelling the playing field.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 11:31 AM
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You’d rather be single because as a female you can still easily get sex, so your needs are still met even outside of a relationship. For many men that’s not the case. And are you really suggesting that men just give up on finding a partner? I’d rather be single than be with a man who doesn’t meet all my standards This is proof of hypergamy right here. Unfortunately too many women think like you to, have ridiculously unrealistic standards for men and won’t lower them because they can just be “sin…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 11:18 AM
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Not exactly. Let me put it this way. 100% of women are interested in the top 20% of men. Are all of them having sex with that top group? Of course not, because some of that 20% are in monogamous relationships, some are doing their own thing, or have enough sexual partners already and so on. So women then have to go lower and settle, but they’ve always got their eye on the top ones. Given the opportunity, they will leave to be with a top 20% man. It’s basic hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 11:12 AM
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I think if men weren’t willing to date / have sex with women below their league, women would have to actually date their looksmatch instead of just the top 20% of men the way it is now. Then it would be much more equal. I think the issue is not that women are not attracted to men lower down (because they are), it’s just they are spoiled and have too much choice. They are getting the hyper attractive men rather than the “just good enough” men, whereas men are getting the “just good enough” women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 03:52 AM
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Completely missing the point. OP is talking about a gender wide issue, not an individual one where some incel is spending all his time in the basement expecting to get laid and doesn’t. Whether the individual takes action or not is completely irrelevant. The fact is men are at a disadvantage in today’s dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 03:46 AM
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If you're a 5'10 or above man and using dating apps, do yourself a favour and just put 6' on your profile. If you're really concerned about women calling you out on it, get heel lifts which you can put into your shoes, or shoes with elevated heels. Cold approaching is a no-no cuz the success rate is extremely low, and I don't want to make others uncomfortable and do to them what I wouldn't enjoy others do to me. Some women love getting approached, it shows confidence and not many men do it. The …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 03:31 AM
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Well, a lot of marriages do end up sexless.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 03:12 AM
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You can get heel lifts to put into your shoes which will make you look taller. There are also special shoes you can get for men with elevated heels.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 02:49 AM
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There is always some way to quantify it. If you think a + b = c but then you find out a + b ! = c, you formula is simply wrong and you need a better one. Maybe there is another factor that you missed a + b + d = c. What I'm trying to say is that life is deterministic and there are certainly factors which contribute to dating success. If you think you have "everything" and are still not successful then you're still missing something.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 02:46 AM
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Or the one that infuriates me the most - "I'm just not feeling a spark" Like, what the fuck is a spark? Just say he's too short or too nice or whatever the fuck is really going on and we can all call it a day.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 02:37 AM
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A good way to estimate it is an 8+ will get approached by women (occasionally). If you're not getting approached at all, you're a 7 at best. Next it's about what happens when you approach, if girls will actually stop and have a conversation with you for a while then you're in the mid ranges (5-7). Guys who get consistently and often harshly rejected when they approach are 4 and below.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 02:08 AM
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Yeah like maybe the top 10% of guys. It's not even top 20%, because those are the ones getting ANY kind of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 02:02 AM
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Being muscular with low body fat is 100x harder than just staying skinny. Most people don't even need to work out to be skinny, just be in a caloric deficit for a few months and boom you're there.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 01:48 AM
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You think Danny Devito isn't famous? You wouldn't even know his name if he wasn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 02:02 PM
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There is porn that is catered for women. And some people don’t know what they like until they actually try it (same applies to men).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 12:10 PM
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On average yes men are taller, but it’s not a given that any man should be taller than any woman. That just proves my point that dating is extremely unfair for guys below average, if a man is shorter he doesn’t stand a chance (before you say it, I’m not one of those guys). since the majority of men are dating most will be average That’s not necessarily true, you can pick a majority where most are above average. Simple counter example, if I pick the top 51%, most are above.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 12:04 AM
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Okay, but it's not what I was talking about. You can be attracted to brainpower but you must still have a certain criteria looks-wise. The intelligence is a bonus, first the guy has to be attractive before you will even consider his intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 11:09 PM
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Even 500 more is still more, it's enough. How is that not benefiting? And my whole point was that the average woman doesn't date the average man, she dates higher than that, so often there would be a significant difference. Hypergamy is about more than just money anyway, women date up in every aspect. Looks, money, tallness, strength, social status, just about anything you can imagine. A 5/10 woman often dates an 8/10 man. ​ Do you think that the 50 percent of men who are in relationships under …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 11:05 PM
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No it's not. Have you never had a celebrity crush that you knew you wouldn't be able to ever date or have sex with? We want what we can't have. It applies to both men and women. Your lack of dating experience is showing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 10:58 PM
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I call bullshit. If your dream 10/10 partner was standing next to you, you wouldn't have any desire to date them, just because they weren't initially interested?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 10:56 PM
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Considering how many guys are on there, as a woman you can still find a high quality guy on there just by being more picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 10:52 PM
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Most people pair up with someone in their socio economic background. A man who makes 10k more only makes 500 more after tax. I haven't seen any data to suggest that but okay. Even so, "someone in their socio economic background" doesn't mean they're making the same amount. The average woman does date the average man. Under age 30, 50 percent of men are in relationships, there’s also men that are dating and not in relationships. All those men are not above average. I don't see how your second and…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 10:46 PM
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I didn't say anything about women not being picky enough. Considering the fact that only the top 20% of men are actually desired by women, they're most certainly too picky and it's completely messed up the dating market. Which is why so many men are alone. I was just explaining what each sex's biological mating strategies are.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 10:33 PM
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What you say is not necessarily what you actually look for in a relationship / sexual partner though. If that were true we'd all be emotionally intelligent nice guys. I don't think you're lying, you just don't know what you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 10:28 PM
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I'm saying that in practice, in a relationship a man generally makes much more than a woman because of female hypergamy. It's rare that an average woman will date an average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 10:26 PM
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It's basic supply and demand. There is a lot of demand for women, pretty much all of them. There is not much demand for men because women would rather share the top 20% of men than have a bottom 80% man all to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 10:24 PM
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most men are not taught how to process emotions so they shove them down until they have rage explosions which can be dangerous for women. It's funny because men suppress their emotions to appear more masculine, for women. So it's actually women that are the cause of it, not men. You're inflicting it upon yourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 10:22 PM
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Key word, average man. But in what world does the average woman go after the average man, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 10:20 PM
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banter is hard, being witty is hard You said it yourself. It's hard, so it requires effort. No one said it's "too much to ask", but, you have to put the work in to get your reward. I struggle to see how there’s any onerous effort in spending a couple of hours in fresh air before returning to the bedroom. I think the reason most men have a problem with this is the financial aspect and the fact that it's time consuming. Men are often expected to pay on dates. Now imagine you are going on 5+ dates …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 10:10 PM
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If you can easily get casual sex as a man, then you can also easily get into a relationship. I don't know many guys that can get laid easily but not get into a relationship. However I do know guys who are seen as the "relationship type" but can't get any casual sex no matter how hard they try. Another way to look at it is, to have casual sex you have to be alpha which is much harder than being beta. Once you've broken the sex barrier, adopting more "beta" qualities such as comforting, caring, sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 09:51 PM
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The thing is red pill doesn't just make you better at getting casual sex, it's about raising your value as a man which also then means you can easily get into a relationship with a high value woman. Once you are having lots of sex with multiple women, you can just take your pick and date one. Most women will be willing to get into a relationship with you if they're already fucking you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 09:46 PM
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There could be a few reasons for that. They could be short, or have bad facial genetics, or have really poor social skills (this is the most common reason). Usually the people who say stuff like this have really bad social awareness and think very highly of themselves, when in reality they're not that interesting apart from being a workaholic or spending their life in the gym. Money is really not a good way to attract women unless you can show it in a way which makes your life look interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 09:41 PM
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That's a man's mating strategy, to impregnate as many women as possible. That's why men can ejaculate multiple times a day, but a woman can only get pregnant once every 9-10 months. A woman's mating strategy is to get impregnated by a strong male who can protect her and the baby until she gives birth. This stuff is biologically hardwired into us.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 09:22 PM
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Yes it is that easy. I don't know if you're a guy or woman but try making a tinder account as a woman and you'll see how easy it is. Hundreds of matches in minutes if they are moderately attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 09:18 PM
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I don't think all of those requirements are absolutely necessary, I would think of the chad status as more of a score. Anything ~8/10 and above is a chad, with the following things giving you extra points: Height (being above 6ft) Muscle mass Body fat % Chiseled jawline Hunter eyes Facial symmetry Hairline Long "instrument" (lol) Wealth / success Social status Communication skills / charm Deep and masculine voice I disagree with bully, disrespectful, entitled etc being beneficial, it's more that…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 04:19 PM
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Why not both, a woman out of my league that loves me?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 08:25 PM
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I do, and you've reformed nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 04:45 PM
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There is no such thing as a reformed slut, lol. You can't just do something and erase it from your past, that's not how the world works.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 04:41 PM
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It’s called preselection / social proof. A woman is more likely to find you attractive if she knows other women find you attractive, or in general if other people appear to consider you high value.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 01:27 PM
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Everyone wants to date someone who is unavailable to them. That is criteria number one. Are you saying if your perfect man/woman was in front of you, you wouldn’t want to date them unless they wanted to date you? That’s just plain ignorant of your own desires. We don’t work that way, biologically, psychologically, in any way at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 08:23 AM
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Sure, I’m just saying that it might not be obvious that your partner is hiding something from you or unwilling to communicate. So the breakup can happen suddenly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 08:19 AM
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That seems pretty... self centred? So you're only attracted to people who are attracted to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 11:31 PM
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You don't know what you don't know. They can be communicating about other things, just not about the thing that's bothering them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 11:28 PM
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Agreeing to being in a romantic relationship with someone doesn't automatically mean they're better than your exes, though. Your ex could have broken up with you, causing you to settle for someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 11:02 PM
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They can also happen suddenly, especially if the partner doesn't want to communicate / isn't open about certain things. It can appear to be a sudden decision when really the person has been thinking about it a long time, just not discussing it with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 11:01 PM
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And they're just that - fairy tales. Not real life. They are a fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 09:25 PM
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I don't think this is the case. It's what women claim, but there are plenty of guys out there who will treat you equal. Are you telling me you would date a short, ugly, bald guy with no social skills as long as he treats you as an equal? This "we just want a nice guy" stuff has been debunked so many times it barely deserves a response at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 08:01 PM
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If you’re a kissless virgin and it bothers you, having lots of friends likely isn’t going to help very much with that. They’ll be a distraction from your problems at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 06:17 PM
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The cause IS relevant, because if you’re single by choice, why would you be bothered by it? I don’t get how male friendships being of lower quality (even if that is true) is relevant to the OP. Do you really think having good friends is going to make a 35 year old kissless virgin forget all about his dating problems?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 06:13 PM
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The OP was about being single. If you’re talking about making friends, sure I guess men can do that too, why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 04:38 PM
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None of the answers here from women about them having more friends are really addressing the root of the issue. Plenty of single guys have healthy friend groups. The real reason is that women are often single by choice, whereas for men it’s due to the difficulty of finding a (suitable) partner. Women can be single because they’re waiting for the 10 to come along and the best they’re getting in their DMs is an 8, or they just want to take a break from men. For guys it’s usually out of necessity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 04:26 PM
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You’re missing the point. They can go to social events, but that’s not going to easily get them out of their solitude. Women can find a partner much more easily than men because men will throw themselves at them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 04:21 PM
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I think the ideal for most men is being able to sleep with multiple women while their woman is loyal to them. So not exactly monogamy, though I agree men like having women to themselves. Also men are not hypergamous, not sure who claimed that? It’s women that are hypergamous. Men date down, women date up.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 01:42 PM
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Sure, there’s a middle ground, but there are studies showing that women are attracted to men with dark triad traits, so it’s irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 01:37 PM
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You can’t just say “x is not science” and expect people to take you seriously. There are studies and data that back the theories. What specifically in red pill do you disagree with and why?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 01:28 PM
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I disagree but since you didn’t even provide any reasoning at all, I’ll leave it at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 08:55 AM
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I was saying that your n count is below average, not your looks. There’s no way I could know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 08:53 AM
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When I see attractive women happily dating overweight, ugly, short or otherwise so-called "undesirable" men without cheating on them, then I'll believe in love. It happens but it's extremely rare. It's not that the sub doesn't believe in love, I just think there is no data to back it up. Everything suggests that women look for a certain set of characteristics in their partner and so do men. A relationship is an exchange of sorts. Can there be feelings of love in that? Sure, but that doesn't chan…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 11:07 PM
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It's so sad. The dating market has become so unfavourable for men that they now have to date multiple points below their SMV. It's clearly only started happening recently as well. This was never a problem historically. Handsome men had beautiful wives. Nowadays a man is "lucky" to have an overweight hog.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 10:51 PM
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Women can date men far above their SMV, period. This applies to fat women as well. There is always some desperate guy willing to be with a fat woman, but women are far more picky and have more options, so don't have to date fat or unfit men if they don't want to. This is especially true nowadays with the rise of dating apps. The ratios on there are so skewed that women can effectively take their pick from hundreds of men of all sizes, races, appearances, personalities, you get the idea. They can…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 10:48 PM
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I have heard that, but it’s a vague statement. They can’t orgasm even once from penetration, or most of the time? Regardless of the position or angle? Anyway, I wasn’t suggesting that I have a problem with pleasing women, because I don’t. It was more a statement that a high n count can have all sorts of undesired effects on a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 09:39 PM
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I’m simply suggesting that men should consider the n count of their partners because it affects the likelihood of a successful relationship and marriage. Nowhere did I say anything about controlling women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 09:33 PM
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Did you read what I wrote? I clearly said it’s not about control and explained why.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 09:27 PM
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It takes some time to get to know your partner and what they’re into, of course. But for a serious relationship, after a few times they should consider me their best. Communication is definitely important, but from what I’ve seen, most women like similar things in bed (with a few exceptions). I can usually figure it out without having to ask too many questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 09:14 PM
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Ah, not sure why I assumed you're a guy. 🤦‍♂️ From what I've seen, women are a lot more tolerant of a guy's high n count. My guess would be because there is a totally different mating strategy there. A guy who has slept with a lot of women can be considered high value by some. if he’s not willing to teach me what he wants, while instead comparing me to his exes, he can go back to them If my partner compares me to an ex and thinks the ex is better than me, then they're out. If I'm not their best …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 08:54 PM
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What’s to stop that from happening any point when dating anyone? Nothing I guess, but it's more likely if she has a higher n count. So what you're telling me is that you're okay with being inferior. Knowing that she has fucked another guy who satisfied her more, and who she probably still thinks about, and will get back with or want to get back with. Personally I wouldn't accept that in a relationship, but to each their own. She may like that you buy her flowers more often, but that's not going …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 08:33 PM
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Why wouldn’t they? Are you talking about my female friends or my male friends that talked to me about their dates and hook-ups? Because in both cases that’s a pretty normal thing to discuss.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 08:18 PM
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Okay so what’s to stop your partner from thinking about those past people they’ve slept with, eventually getting back with one of them, comparing you to them… the list goes on. Chances are it’s not that your sex drive won’t be high enough, you just won’t be able to satisfy them like one of their past partners. Because what is the chance of you being the best they’ve had out of 100 (for example)?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 08:17 PM
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You’re missing the point and getting too focused on the legality and consent aspect. Whether it’s legal or not, would you be able to forgive someone after any amount of time, after they sexually assaulted someone? The point is that the past predicts the future. It’s unlikely someone will change their past habits, and even if they do, they should still have to deal with the consequences of their actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 08:07 PM
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Huh? I didn’t say they were the same women. I noticed a trend where women would tell me, after saying that they’ve changed, that they slept with a guy on the first date. My friends went on dates and experienced the same thing with the women they were dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 07:59 PM
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No amount of time can erase the past. There was another post here comparing it to a guy committing a crime, or sexually assaulting a child. Once you’re a pedophile, you’re always a pedophile. Once a hoe, always a hoe.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 07:55 PM
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Hahaha. They told me or my friends told Me. These were my female friends, or girls that my friends dated.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 07:52 PM
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I’ve had plenty of women tell me that they’ve “changed” and won’t sleep with a guy on the first date or early on. I used to believe it when I was younger, until I noticed them still hooking up with guys on the first date, even after claiming something like that. That’s when I realised that it means nothing. Since then I’ve also slept with women early on who had told me the same thing. Take it for what you will, but in my experience (and those of other men I’ve talked to), 90% of the time it’s no…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 07:42 PM
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Every theory ever was come up with by some scientist or researcher after studying the data. They don’t just magically exist. Do you not understand how science / psychology works? Also you should remove black pill from your flair because your views are not even close to black pill. You lack knowledge about the topics you’re discussing and are promoting ideas you don’t even understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 07:16 PM
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No worries. I didn’t claim that it was only about getting muscles, but fitness / physical attractiveness is a big part of a man’s SMV. Of course there are other important factors too. I don’t think it’s any more artificial than any other dating/self improvement strategy, but let’s agree to disagree there.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 07:14 PM
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I have no way to prove it? There are plenty of anecdotes here, there is also research to suggest it, and it’s the whole reason the AF/BB dynamic was invented in the red pill community. Also I didn’t claim that it’s purely based on looks, that’s part of it but there are also other factors involved such as the Dark Triad personality traits. And here comes the typical attempt at a personal attack instead of refuting my argument. You don’t know I’m insecure, you know nothing about me as a person and…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 07:08 PM
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Yeah, but this isn't really the same as friendship. A better analogy would be buying drinks for your muscular friends and making the unfit friends pay for themselves. It's kind of discrimination in a sense. A relationship is also a much bigger commitment than friendship so the stakes are higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:38 PM
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I was agreeing with you but okay. If you don't want discussion why are you even posting on Reddit?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:30 PM
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Sure but you're well below the average.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:53 PM
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Dropping??
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:51 PM
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I don't want to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:51 PM
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Actually it's not about policing anyone's behaviour, women can do whatever they want, but men can also date whoever they want. That means there's nothing wrong with men looking for and preferring low n count women. Or me encouraging that. I mean, if someone's in a monogamous relationship they shouldn't be sleeping around at that point anyway, so it's not about control or treating women badly. If anything it's making sure that guys find a suitable woman so that they *don't* treat them badly. ​ It…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:44 PM
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Yeah, I think the frustration for a lot of guys comes from not being framed as the kind of guy they want to be. Wanting to appear as an alpha and hookup guy but treated as a beta/provider/relationship guy or whatever you want to call it. The solution is to screen for the girls who just want casual sex, frame yourself better as that kind of guy, and in most cases, hit the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:33 PM
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But often it's not learning from mistakes, it's treating the person differently based on how they're viewed. Especially if there's a pattern of making certain people wait and having sex with others straight away.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:30 PM
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I don't think that's true. For example I'm happily in a relationship with a loyal, low n count woman who loves me. But I just know the reality of the dating market and have been in the same boat. What is positive about a woman having a high n count? Is it the fact she's going to think about her past experiences and compare the guy to them, or that she could possibly leave for one of them, or knowing that she has been pounded by 10s of other guys? There is nothing good that can come from it. The …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:24 PM
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It's because crime and aggression is viewed as "masculine" these days. I hear so much crap about "toxic masculinity" from women, the funny thing is that it's women perpetuating it, not men. Those comments sound so innocent but actually it just proves how much value women attribute to these kind of toxic traits. Danger, violence, crime, dominance, those are all considered to be sexy. There was a study that showed men who have the dark triad personality traits were more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:16 PM
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I don’t think women care as much about n count as men Generally correct I don’t think men care as much about n count as this sub believes So are you suggesting this sub is biased and the men here care a lot about n count, but the average man doesn't? It may be true that men on here in particular are affected by women's standards/hypergamy but in general I think n count is pretty important for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:11 PM
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What's wrong with porn and dating apps? Even a lot of high value men (actors, celebrities etc) use them. It doesn't make sense even from a women's dating strategy perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:07 PM
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You've completely misinterpreted the research if that's what you think it is. The research is about the likelihood of divorce or infidelity AFTER marriage. If it's selection bias and the ones sleeping around don't want to get married, why would the women with high n counts willingly get married, and then cheat or divorce? There is no selection bias, women with both high and low n counts in marriage were studied and the rate of infidelity and divorce shows a trend.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:54 PM
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Men don't do it to the same degree as women. They don't pine over their exes like women do (in my experience). Sure they can check out other women and find them attractive, but they won't think about the amazing sex they had x years ago with some other woman, because generally they can just do the same with their new partner. As women are the more passive sex, it's on the man to initiate and make it good. When a woman has good sex she will remember it and form a bond with that man for many years…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:42 PM
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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31483198/ Nice research!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:26 PM
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Your actual post is claiming something different to the heading. I agree that women don't need to experiment with getting fucked by so many guys, but I disagree that sexual ignorance is better. Would you be happy with your long-term partner cheating on you, as long as you're "ignorant" of it? Not knowing something doesn't mean it didn't happen. You're just clueless about it which is absolutely not a favourable situation to be in. I like to know everything about my partner. If they try to hide so…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:25 PM
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Unless you are basically a top 1% man, an open relationship will never be beneficial to a man. Even if you're able to hook up with other women, she'll be able to fuck 10x as many dudes, simply because she's a woman and has plenty of options. If that's her goal, she's for the streets. She's not in a relationship with you, you're just fooling yourself. She may have some attraction to you, but clearly not enough to be monogamous with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:21 PM
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Gym will 100% help him. He just needs to hit his macros every day and do weights consistently with progressive overload. Soon he’ll get noticeably bigger and more attractive. Definitely could also do with a haircut and better style though. Comments about personality etc should be ignored, those things come with experience and talking to more women, which will inevitably happen if he keeps working on his appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 05:27 PM
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Exactly, wtf does “having a personality” even mean? It’s just a woman’s way of saying they like the things a guy is saying. If he talks about things that are uninteresting to her, he’s characterised as “not having a personality”. He could have the most interesting hobbies in the world and love his life but will still be hated by women if he doesn’t have any game.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 05:23 PM
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That’s because it’s not even really a thing. The specific things you say and ways in which you behave vary by day, and depending on your mood, environment, who you’re with, etc. I’m sure you act very differently around your family than a potential date. With that said, good game is important for a guy. You just have to say the right things. A nerd with no “personality” might one day say the right things and get lucky, but probably isn’t very consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 05:19 PM
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Would you feel the same way if you were single?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 08:15 AM
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Everyone was a stranger at some point. If any stranger stays the hell away from you, you will not meet anyone new, ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 08:14 AM
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I’ve had a few LTRs yes and most of them have ended mutually due to us not being compatible for something long term. Could I have made them work? Sure, if I tried hard enough, but I didn’t feel it was worth the time/effort. That’s beside the point though and my personal experiences don’t really prove or disprove anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 11:01 AM
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This is all just assumption and nothing substantial. I've been on many, many dates and have no problem getting them. In fact I turn most of them down because of how little time I have. Maintaining a relationship is akin to keeping a car going at a high speed once it has already accelerated. Most of the hard work is done and you've sparked attraction. Your job from there is simply to not fuck it up. you wonder be able to understand how levels of difficulty in romance rises. This isn't a video gam…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 11:54 PM
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There are many studies which have been shared in this sub that show how important looks are to overall attractiveness. It is by far the most important factor. Also imagine putting in your flair that you have sex, LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 12:51 PM
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I live in a big city (not New York) and I’ve noticed although there are a lot more options and it’s good for pickup, women’s standards are also a lot higher because they have more men to choose from. So it’s a double edged sword. To be successful with women in a big city, ideally you should be hitting the gym and have a nice physique as well as dressing fashionably so that you stand out a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 01:51 PM
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So why should women be entitled to men if men aren’t entitled to women? Do you think most women would be fine with being alone their whole lives? I don’t think so. This whole entitlement thing doesn’t really make sense because biologically we are hard wired to seek out a partner. It’s not about entitlement, men desire women, that’s not going to change and there’s nothing wrong with that. To think of it another way, in a world where everyone is perfectly monogamous (and straight) with 50% gender …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 11:46 PM
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So does selecting the top x% of men for hook ups and using the rest as beta bucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 01:39 PM
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So you lost interest in someone because you had sex too soon… was it due to physical incompatibility, or just bad sex? If you had waited what difference would that have made? If you lose interest after having sex with someone once that suggests they weren’t that interesting in the first place or didn’t have many positive qualities and the sex was the only thing to look forward to (which was, I’m guessing, underwhelming). Yes people can hook up without dating, but women are very selective when it…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 12:11 AM
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It’s certainly a tough decision to make, which is why MGTOW exists. I can’t speak for other RP men but in my case the pros of dating outweigh the cons. I understand female nature but don’t want to be celibate, sex is still fun. I’ve definitely been discouraged from LTRs though and am much, much more selective than before. There are still good times to be had.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 12:03 AM
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That’s absolutely not true, if anything, sex early on helps to build a connection and determine if you’re physically compatible. Sex releases oxytocin which is the love hormone. It’s how you bond with someone. If it’s awkward, so what? The first time is usually awkward since you’re not used to each other - not a big deal. Or it could be a sign you’re not compatible and it’s best to know that sooner rather than later. Okay but how does waiting before having sex increase her odds of it turning int…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 10:46 PM
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Did you think they believe women are literally plates?… and yeah that’s why it’s called spinning plates. They are bound to break at some point so you have multiple going at the same time. When one breaks you replace it with another.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 10:40 PM
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RP doesn’t claim that looks are the most important factor. You’re mistaking it for black pill. RP is more focused on alpha characteristics (of which muscle mass, low body fat percentage etc play a small part)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 10:36 PM
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If they didn’t like women, they wouldn’t spend so much time focusing on trying to attract them. The reality is that there are some things about women which are hard to accept for many men, but that won’t change their biological desires to seek out sex and mate with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 10:32 PM
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Ok explain how I don’t understand women then? I’ve heard every argument in the book from you guys at this point lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 10:29 PM
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Well the legal definition of consent is wrong in the sense that it involves age as if somehow anyone under the age of 18 is unable to make decisions for themselves. That’s obviously false as you don’t magically gain free will at age 18.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 10:28 PM
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I'm talking about the modern dating market, it has certainly changed for the worse in the past 20 years or so. It was much easier for average men before dating apps existed, because women had much less exposure to top 10-20% men. Now they can open up an app and match with literally hundreds of hot guys in seconds if they want to, why would they even give an average man a chance?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 08:54 PM
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Women can be sexual predators just as much as men (though it's much less common). My point is that if there is consent, there's no problem and whether they're a predator or not is irrelevant in that particular situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 08:45 PM
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If you don't think women have sky high standards, you haven't seen studies on dating apps showing that the top 10-20% men get most of the total matches on the entire platform and studies on the factors determining women's attraction to men. Either that, or you failed to understand the implications of the studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 11:59 PM
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According to the law, no. But children are certainly capable of making their own decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 11:56 PM
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No, why would it be? She's okay with it, which means there is consent. From a legal perspective there can be other complications if the student is underage, but it's still not rape, it's just underage sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 11:54 PM
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You can live life on your terms once you already have abundance and you have the luxury of living it on your terms. Just like if you're struggling to pay rent, you can't be picky about what job you do, you just need to focus on making money. But once you're established and successful in your career, you have many more options and can choose where you want to go. It's the same with dating, initially your focus should be on raising your SMV and that simply involves doing what works. Lifting weight…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 11:43 PM
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It's not enough to be an average man. If you're average, you'll rarely be a woman's first choice. If you want to be treated well and respected by women it's very important to aim to be in the top 20% as a man (at least). Even if you're not, get as close to that as you can and at least try to fake it some of the time (good photos, being overly confident, dressing well and accentuating your best features). Women will also act super nice to you if they're at least somewhat interested, but that does…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 11:12 PM
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Yes absolutely. Men are shamed for their desires, whereas women are praised for theirs. This creates a society where men are repressed and end up having to act out their desires in unnatural ways (violence, excessive use of porn, frustration). It should be socially acceptable for men to approach women, flirt, express sexual desire etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 11:05 PM
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If he thinks there's nothing fucked up about it, it was consensual. So no there was nothing wrong. It would only be a problem if it wasn't consensual.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 11:01 PM
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So much ignorance and lack of self awareness in this post that I don't even know where to start. On average, the guys I meet; don't lift Why does a man have to lift weights in order to be considered attractive? There are other ways to stay fit and healthy. I do recommend guys to lift, but most women do no exercise and have never set foot in a gym but expect a man to work out several times a week and be in great shape. are sickeningly friendly What's wrong with being friendly? The women who compl…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 02:02 AM
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Why were they whiny? You mean about the fact that you were taller than them? Insecurity exists for both men and women in different ways. I appreciate that it made you less attracted to them, but what do you think caused them to be insecure about their height? It's often the way they're treated throughout their lives (mostly by women) which causes that insecurity to manifest.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 08:31 PM
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Ah that makes more sense
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 08:55 AM
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Wait what? I’d love to see some data to back up that 70% women statistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 12:23 AM
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been told by many women You still believe what women say! What a naive and innocent soul. 😇
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 12:22 AM
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This is an important distinction, I often see the incorrect assumption here that just because someone’s in a relationship with a hot woman, they’re getting good and frequent sex. This often isn’t the case and relationships can be unstable, with little to no sex and the women lusting after other guys. This is why increasing your SMV should be the focus for men, NOT just trying to get into a relationship with the first attractive woman who will say yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 12:15 AM
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So basically you’re saying you’re not attracted to black guys lol. You could’ve just said that
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 02:57 PM
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Thank you, finally someone here with some sense! The dating market is completely skewed right now. Men should do whatever they can to take back control. Average women have so much choice today it’s ridiculous. It’s like a buffet with every kind of food you can possibly imagine from all around the world, all in front of you on a table and all you have to do is choose what you want. And men STILL get shamed for wanting sex (a normal human desire) and having preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 02:30 PM
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Woah, we got a badass over here.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 02:18 PM
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It was hypothetical, of course it’s unlikely. I’m sure that most single women would do it, hell a lot of them already sleep with random dudes. As for those in relationships, I still think if they could get away with it, again, many would do it. It’s a natural tendency to deny emotionally driven decisions, but yet they do happen all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 02:17 PM
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Every blue pill response to RP is some kind of personal accusation. “You guys are losers”, “this is why you don’t get laid”, “you’re misogynistic”. Meanwhile RP is in no way personal and mostly just observations about the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 02:08 PM
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Sex usually comes before commitment, you might not necessarily know if you want to commit to someone before you’ve had sex with them. Physical compatibility is important. And you don’t really build a true intimate connection with someone until you’ve had sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:36 PM
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Lol the amount of women I’ve heard say this even on PPD alone… “I like short guys but my bf just happens to be over 6ft”. And did I say chads are getting into LTRs? I said they’re hooking up because they mostly don’t need or want commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 03:13 PM
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Otherwise you wouldn’t be here You sure do love to assume things about me. Maybe I just want to share and discuss ideas? Or does everyone have to have some kind of hidden agenda in order to be here. Sex is fun and makes things a lot better. Can I survive without it? Sure, but it’s not a particularly enjoyable way to live. To some extent most of us are entitled, we think we are worthy of sex and I believe that’s just called having high self esteem. If you don’t think you’re good enough as a perso…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 02:01 PM
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So what’s your suggestion then, be a “nice guy” and get used? Pretty much every RP man has been blue pilled in the past and tried all the “just be yourself” pointless advice. It simply doesn’t work if you’re not already an attractive guy. That’s why RP exists and why we actively focus on sexual strategy and determine what works through trial and error.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 01:33 PM
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This is such utter crap that I don’t even know where to start. Even fat and ugly women are getting attention, on dating apps, in real life, pretty much everywhere there are desperate guys who are willing to give them a chance because they have so few options. Another thing that has skewed the stats is hot guys hooking up with average to below average women, because it’s easy. The women then raise their standards thinking they have a chance with these hot guys when really they’re just being used …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 01:07 PM
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Women talk so much crap about red pill but then you look at the tinder stats and they’re hooking up with chads who are ripped 6ft+ models and treating the average dudes like crap. Who’s really treating human connection like DnD stats?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 01:03 PM
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Then your claim is worthless as you have nothing to back it up. I disagree, life is short and people have stuff to do, if I want to “hang out” I’ll go meet up with my friends, I don’t need a relationship for that. On a date I’m there for sex. If there is no potential of that, don’t waste my time. Most guys will agree with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 12:52 PM
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If you think my beliefs have something to do with how I act on dates you’re fucking stupid and there’s no point arguing with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 12:43 PM
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Oh hahaha I did think it was a bit bizarre after you described wanting marriage and a life long partner. Well casual hook ups are meant to be just that, casual. If they elicit strong emotions that suggests there's some attachment. They're not for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 11:29 PM
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Did you really think sleeping with a bunch of random dudes was a good strategy for finding a stable LTR? I guess you live and learn.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 10:32 PM
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Never listen to a woman who says she loves dad bods. All the studies suggest otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 10:03 PM
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Sounds long and stressful, but good luck!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 09:54 PM
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If it's a guy who you're not even committed to, marriage sounds like a big step. I would've thought exclusive relationship first then marriage makes the most sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 09:30 PM
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The women running around desperately looking for marriage are the ones most men tend to avoid, they reek of desperation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 09:16 PM
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For hook ups, it's height, facial symmetry, cheekbones, jawline, eyebrow tilt, low body fat and muscle mass/tone that are some of the biggest factors. These days even personality is a very minor factor because a lot of hook ups occur through dating apps. This is where black pill actually has some truth to it. The more you move into dating/LTR territory, the more personality, status etc play a part and looks become less important. This also explains why black pill is mostly hook up focused wherea…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 09:02 PM
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Or maybe they just want something casual. Or is that preference not acceptable any more in today's society and only women are allowed to look for casual relationships, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 08:53 PM
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If you have to lock someone up in order for them to be loyal to you, there's something wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 08:50 PM
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I'll let you in on a little secret. It is a trap.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 08:49 PM
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If your goal is success with women, work on that, achieve it, and you will have a successful and fulfilling life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 08:34 PM
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This is complete bullshit, becoming a senior software developer or even travelling the world isn't going to help you much with women. If you actually want to get good with women, set goals related to that. Approach 100 women in the street. Use dating apps. Practice flirting with your female friends. Your advice is analogous to playing video games when your goal is to bench 300lbs. Doing something completely unrelated to what you want and expecting results to just magically happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 08:32 PM
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Nah, not an incel. Just a man who likes sex but isn't a Chad
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 08:00 PM
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I actually agree with almost all of this except the idea that women don't jump right into bed with a guy. Plenty of women have one night stands, either via dating apps or meeting guys in clubs/bars etc. And sure, women aren't mind readers, but maybe they can to some extent sense when guys are being manipulative or have bad intentions. There can be tells via subcommunications (body language, eye contact) or subtle verbal stuff. I'm well aware of all of this. I'm not sure where I implied that wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 06:54 PM
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Making men wait for sex is a woman's moral duty What? How is it a moral duty... so you're saying women have no choice but to make men wait? I think even most women would disagree with you. Women are human beings with a God-given right to be safe, have comfortable sex, and feel certainty and commitment before embarking on a sexual adventure with a man It's her choice when she wants to have sex, but it's the man's choice whether he wants to leave or stay. So if he's willing to wait until she's rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 06:40 PM
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Like I said, it's not a matter of finding them. You have to be a quite attractive man to be considered for casual sex (generally in the top 20% at least). If a woman wants casual sex she has so many options to choose from, she's not going to pick the first guy that comes along.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 06:35 PM
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I didn't say they have to live by rules. THEY create the rules and then break their own rules. That's how ridiculous the whole thing is. And you're wrong because I used to be blue pilled and I had no success with women. I actually have more success now since becoming red pilled or "misogynistic" as you like to call it. Plenty of men have experienced the same, but nice try.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 06:29 PM
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We don't want to encounter manipulators and liars like you, we hold out to see your true colors The funny thing is this strategy doesn't even work, chances are if you're being manipulated you're not going to find out until you've already been manipulated. Men who have good game know how to act around women. He's either going to give up eventually and leave, or wait it out like I was discussing in the OP. But the thing is if she had just been open in the first place and actually had sex with him …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 06:23 PM
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🤣🤣🤣 ... 🤣🤣🤣 Are you seriously suggesting that all women care about is money? Your arguments are losing what little credibility they had. Even as red pilled as I am, I know that's just obviously not true. A lot of women these days are self sufficient and make their own money. It helps, for sure, but doesn't determine male attractiveness by any means. In fact, women overestimate the importance of money and personality, and hugely underestimate the importance of looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 06:08 PM
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I believe as a society we are way too promiscuous What's wrong with being promiscuous? If she was doing that, then she wouldn't be the type of woman who would wait until marriage If you're the one making her wait until marriage, then she might be. Why wouldn't she be? She gets the best of both worlds, getting to have fun and also settle down with a nice guy who wants to marry her. It's strategic pluralism. I agree that in a committed relationship it would be harder to get away with though. This …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 06:00 PM
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What's fantasy is you thinking women don't break their own rules for men they find attractive. This happens ALL the time with "chads" who are tall, attractive and muscular. You can deny it but this is a well recognised phenomenon, hence the saying "women make rules for betas and break them for alphas". If you actually respected your own rules then maybe us men would respect them more as well. Saying you don't fuck until the 3rd date to one guy and then fucking another guy on the first date is no…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 05:50 PM
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It's consensual, no one is talking about rape, you're making a big leap here assuming some kind of rape or violation of autonomy. If I'm dating someone and after a few dates she agrees to have sex with me, that's consent. So your whole argument makes no sense, it's like me saying women aren't entitled to commitment, I have autonomy. Except no one is forcing me to commit to anything, it's my own decision and I can leave at any point. Similarly the woman can leave if she doesn't want to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 05:45 PM
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You’re assuming it’s just wanting to see if the guy is a good match but I don’t think this is usually the case. Usually the women who do this will sleep with other guys while they make a guy wait. Or have slept with other guys who are “exceptions” to their rule (really, it’s just a matter of them being more attracted to these guys). You can argue sex is a big step IF and only if they haven’t slept with a guy early on before, which these days is very rare. Women will treat guys differently depend…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 03:11 PM
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Fair enough, I didn’t know the etymology. I would argue the usage of the word has since evolved and now refers to all genders as you said. But yes historically it referred to mostly women. Sometimes women will ask for your body count as a test… I wouldn’t always interpret it as a sign of insecurity depending on how they’re asking it. Maybe they want to see how you respond to being labelled a player, or the opposite, an inexperienced guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 03:03 PM
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I wouldn’t assume she’s going to abuse me, I would just think she’s lying and trying to manipulate me. Abuse is a strong word, maybe we’re just talking semantics here. I would never abuse a women, but I will manipulate to get what I want if I sense that she’s trying to do the same. At that point it’s fair game.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 02:53 PM
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This is again personal preference but for me it’s more important that there is mutual sexual attraction than her being willing to wait. What would that prove, that she doesn’t sleep around? That she has good self restraint? I don’t think it’s a good measure of the former because she could be sleeping around with other guys while waiting for you. I disagree that it’s easy to sleep around, at least for men. A lot of men have this goal and struggle with it, in fact, it’s easier for many guys to get…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 02:50 PM
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Men are shamed for their body count / virginity too so I don’t think they were created just to shame women. Male virgins who are honest about it often have a hard time dating because women get turned off by it. If you have a low n count as a man you’re shamed for being undesirable. If you have a high n count, you’re shamed by feminists for being a fuckboy and “misogynist”. Personally I don’t care about any of the above and would probably ignore it but some men are certainly affected by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 02:41 PM
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I agree that it’s usually a form of manipulation. I guess we just handle it in different ways. In my case I’m willing to be patient and play the game for a while. Everyone’s trying to get something out of each other, that’s unavoidable. You just gotta have the upper hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 02:35 PM
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If I’m attracted to someone, I will want to have sex with them, so again I can’t really relate. I guess I can see the reasoning behind wanting to wait so you can evaluate someone’s personality before getting too serious with them. But if they want to have sex, they might not be too happy about it. I don’t see how waiting will build a better relationship, in my experience, (frequent) sex is the sign of attraction and a good relationship. Waiting causes unnecessary tension and frustration, and peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 02:31 PM
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If you want data, go to the thread about red pill studies/research. I posted a few of my own studies as well. This stuff is well backed up by science, but of course people are going to deny it and keep trying to come up with rationalisations because they want to be right. Point me to where I shamed women for having sex? It’s just a personal preference that I won’t date a high N-count woman long term. That’s not shaming any more than women shame short, poor or bald guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 02:23 PM
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Okay. I’m sorry that you had to go through that. But then you shouldn’t assume that I’m a sexual abuser or want to be just for discussing male sexual strategy. There’s a big difference between abuse and what’s being discussed here. This is what women do all the time and get away with it, evaluating men by their height, facial structure, wealth, muscle mass, etc. Men who are unfortunate in those areas often die alone or have few sexual partners. But when men dare to have their own strategy they a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 02:17 PM
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Has it occurred to you that a woman can be particularly attracted to a guy, and want to have sex with him even if she has a low n-count? That’s what attraction is about, feeling differently about a certain individual, not treating them just like every other dude out there. Women talk about this stuff ALL the time, wanting to feel special in various ways. When men suggest it we’re crazy and delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 02:05 PM
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Well, we all have our preferences, just like women want a guy who is taller than 6ft, ripped, with a strong jawline, money, confidence and so on. I think it’s not too much to ask of a woman that she is attractive, has a low n-count and wants to have sex. Anyway that’s not the point of this thread. This is more about how if women want to make men wait, men can also employ their own sexual strategies and it’s totally valid. No they’re not a hive mind but we are making generalisations here and noti…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 02:02 PM
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This is a CMV so that’s sort of the point, Einstein. The fact that you’re so mad about this post shows that you’re threatened by it. What’s wrong, men can’t have their own sexual strategies and have to just accept being manipulated?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 01:36 PM
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That’s fair enough. There have been other threads where women have said that they never sleep with a guy on the first date, some who even made it a rule to wait several months, so it varies a lot. Making guys wait for sex is definitely a thing that happens (maybe not for you, in which case, you’re fortunate). I’m assuming you’re a guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 01:29 PM
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I was mostly talking about sex, not relationships. There is a lot of demand for women to hook up with, so yes they are valuable by definition. Who is it not a fun experience for? I’m not sure about how valid that claim is - “most average men have girlfriends”. A lot of average men are single and actually there is data that shows 30% of young men had no sex in the past year at all. Anyway, value is all relative, there is much more demand for a guy in the top 20% than an average guy, and that’s cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 12:57 PM
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Most red/black pill posters here are not suggesting that women should change because that’s not going to happen. The situation is what it is, and they are just trying to prove a point that the blue pill view is wrong. Maybe to help confirm their own beliefs or spread awareness of red/black pill. The reality is that unless you are a top 20% man, you will be missing out in some way. Relationships will be with women who settle for you when they can’t get a Chad. Hook ups, if you are lucky enough to…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 11:24 AM
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It’s simple supply and demand. Average woman has a lot of demand, so her value is high. Average man has little demand (too much supply of men wanting sex), so his value is low.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 11:02 AM
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Care to explain?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 10:51 AM
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Then it shouldn’t be a problem if a man is looking for a relationship with the right person but doesn’t want to commit right away. He is entitled to wait until a woman is ready to have sex with him before making the decision to commit to her (or not).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 10:50 AM
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You’re assuming that a man’s timing of commitment is all about you, and not about him. Some men aren’t into serious. Yeah you can next them but a lot of women think this way and will try to make a guy wait, you can’t just next everyone that comes along. Casual sex has a high bar to entry for men, women won’t just casually sleep with any guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 10:14 AM
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Okay so both can wait before giving sex or money, why not commitment then? How is that any different?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 10:12 AM
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Oh I totally agree, but if they are regularly seeing a man, he IS a part of their life. Therefore they should accommodate for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 10:10 AM
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Yeah, it’s stupid and literally just due to social conditioning. How do people not see that? Women are constantly manipulating men to achieve their goals, whether it’s marrying a beta that will provide for them, withholding sex for months, forcing men to reluctantly have children etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 10:08 AM
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What are you even talking about? Talking out the side of my neck? I just do what works for me in dating, and if women want to play games then I’ll play games. Saying that no one likes me, or that I’ll be single forever and all that crap is just more ad hominem attacks. You know absolutely nothing about me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 10:05 AM
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I don’t think you understand what sexual abuse is. I certainly hope you will never experience it in your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 10:02 AM
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You would prefer to wait a year? I can’t even begin to comprehend this. So what do you gain from waiting so long? She probably wants to have sex long before that as well, are you sure you’re even attracted to the person at that point?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 10:01 AM
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Okay I can see the logic in that. But would you agree that if she doesn’t tell you up front that she won’t sleep with you until the nth date, but secretly knows this (and isn’t expecting commitment), that is manipulative? The guy is doing the same thing by saying he’s looking for a relationship. It doesn’t have to be “I will definitely get into a relationship with you”. It’s just making it seem like he is looking for one with the right person.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 09:54 AM
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You haven’t provided any argument as to why that’s the case. Like I said, waiting is misleading, you’re show interest in the person by being willing to meet up with them several times. If you’re not comfortable having sex with someone after 3-4 dates, it’s best to not waste their time and just tell them you’re not interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 09:50 AM
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I was saying ideally there would be transparency and no manipulation. I have no idea how you managed to interpret it that way. When you go on a date with someone it’s implied that you’re sexually attracted to them, so yes the guy would usually expect sex because why else would you be on a date if you didn’t want to potentially have sex with the person? So if the woman leads him on, that’s manipulation and similarly if the guy leaves that’s also manipulation if he suggests a relationship. It work…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 12:24 AM
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...but seriously, where is it though?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 12:02 AM
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Where did I say that? Women can do whatever they want with their body. I'm just not going to let them waste my time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 11:55 PM
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If men are selfish for wanting sex, women are selfish for wanting whatever it is they want (safety, comfort...) without accommodating for the wants of the guy. That's literally the definition of selfish. If both parties want sex, there is no reason for anyone to wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 11:50 PM
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In this kind of scenario if a woman does make me wait, I know they're lying if they say something like what you quoted - "I don't want to have sex before I get to know you". It's simply lack of attraction, if I was more muscular/charismatic/taller/whatever she would fuck me on the first date. So like I said in the OP, it's manipulation plain and simple. In that situation it's fair for me to either leave or manipulate her back by waiting, fucking her and then leaving. She played me and I played h…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 11:47 PM
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🤣 Okay that was funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 11:42 PM
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Seems like even if that strategy does occasionally work, you're going to miss out on a lot of opportunities where if you had waited maybe 1-2 more dates you would've been successful. Then again idk, if you come across as a chad, are using something like tinder and give off strong hookup only vibes it might work.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 11:40 PM
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Relax, I didn't even see your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 11:37 PM
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No, it's not transparent. The reality is usually more "I want to have sex with you, but you're not attractive enough for me to fuck you on the first date, so I'm going to make it seem like I'm interested in you and keep going on dates with you until I eventually have enough investment from you to make it worthwhile, while probably also fucking other guys"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 11:36 PM
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If you're guaranteed to have sex with this person but you have to wait say a month. You're telling me after maybe 3 weeks you'll realise she's making you wait and then drop her? That's illogical.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 11:31 PM
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I'm assuming the typical scenario of the man just wanting sex and the woman wanting a relationship. In that case they're both wrong (or neither, whichever way you want to look at it). She manipulated him by making him wait, he manipulated her by implying relationship then leaving. No one is worse than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 11:27 PM
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I didn't say that going on a date implies relationship or sex, I said that it implies attraction / the fact that they are potentially interested a relationship or sex. If you keep seeing someone, you're suggesting that you like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 11:21 PM
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What do you mean by "reach the necessary level of intimacy"? I can understand wanting to wait if you don't feel comfortable / ready yet but if you want intimacy, you initiate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 11:15 PM
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"These people" I'm single by choice lol, you mad? You also provided no real arguments in your post, just raging. https://exposingfeminism.wordpress.com/shaming-tactics/ Charge of Unattractiveness (Code Tan) Response: This is another example of “circumstantial ad hominem.” The target’s romantic potential ultimately does not reflect on the merit of his arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 11:09 PM
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Right, but what you're missing is that women will strongly imply sexual attraction to a man. If you agree to a follow up date, you are implying this. Why would you go on another date with someone you're not interested in? So withholding sex in this situation is manipulative. They should just end it if they're not interested in having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 11:04 PM
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Like I said in the OP, when you ask someone out on a date, or agree to a date, the implication is that you're (sexually) attracted to them. So sex should be a consequence of this if all goes well. Women often pretend to want sex but withhold it. This is manipulative, just like pretending to want a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 11:01 PM
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In an ideal world, there would be total transparency and openness about intentions. But that will never happen and when one side resorts to manipulation/deceit, so should the other side, or someone's going to lose out.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 10:57 PM
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What's not normal about sex then?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 10:53 PM
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It's also not an agreement to a relationship afterwards, so it's fine for the guy to wait until she's ready to have sex and then end it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 10:53 PM
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When someone agrees to a date with another, the implication is that there is mutual sexual attraction, and interest in a sexual relationship This is where the manipulation is. To add to this, agreeing to follow up dates reinforces that there is interest in pursuing a sexual relationship. If you don't want to have sex with someone, end it, instead of stringing them along and agreeing to more dates. Otherwise you are implicitly agreeing to being strung along yourself. It's that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 10:50 PM
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I could say the same, our purpose in dating for many of us isn't relationships, it's sex. Of course we're going to get offended by you making us wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 10:31 PM
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Men should have a higher body count than women in a relationship. These days it's unlikely due to how easy it is for women to hook up, but it's the ideal. Men's reproductive strategy is hypergamy whereas for women it's monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 10:10 PM
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You are so delusional, just please go and educate yourself about TRP before posting. How is it nihilistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 09:55 PM
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They're (usually) not worth dating but are worth hooking up with, where's the contradiction?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 09:54 PM
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If sex benefits both men and women, why would it matter if they're trying to get sex? Women say they "enjoy sex too" and then get so offended when men try to get laid on a first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 09:52 PM
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If sex benefits both men and women, why would it matter if they're trying to get sex? Women say they "enjoy sex too" and then get so offended when men try to get laid on a first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 09:52 PM
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There are so many studies showing that women find muscular men attractive. Lifting is the very basics if you want to be attractive, it's easy SMV for men. Don't listen to this guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 09:47 PM
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I have, just posted a comment in response to OP
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 09:05 PM
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Very nice! Adding these to my vault of RP studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 09:00 PM
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The top 10% of men get most of the likes on dating apps: https://qz.com/1051462/these-statistics-show-why-its-so-hard-to-be-an-average-man-on-dating-apps/ Upper body strength is an important factor to male attractiveness: https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2017.1819 Women tend to be attracted to muscular men: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1474704919852918 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0146167207303022 Online dating has become the norm: https://news.stanford…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 08:55 PM
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The Madonna/Whore complex explains a lot. I lose sexual attraction for women when I’ve been seeing them for a long time and get to know them better. Sex is just more exciting with strangers… there’s mystery and novelty involved whereas in a relationship it’s the boring usual stuff you’ve already had before. I don’t want to get to know a woman I just want sex lol. The minute it starts becoming about “getting to know each other” I’ve already lost interest. Unfortunately most women won’t have sex s…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:20 AM
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Lol you sure do seem to be mad at red pilled men. Did one of them steal your girl or something? 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:10 AM
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So you agree that the advice works then. That's what it's all about lol. Did you really think the point of TRP was guys sitting around circle jerking about some random theories? It's results driven and grounded in reality. There is plenty of practical advice. And maybe you're not giving credibility to valid studies and references due to your own biases.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 11:31 PM
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Couldn't care less whether it goes mainstream or not, either way it's in mens best interests to learn and understand it. If they don't, less competition for the others.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 11:18 PM
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Lol you're welcome to leave if you're not interested
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 10:37 PM
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I'm not upset about money, that's another assumption you made. Again, I just claimed that women often expect men to provide for them financially. This is also 2022, most women do not expect or need to rely on a man financially in LTRs. Just because they work (assuming they do actually work), doesn't mean they make as much as the men they're dating. It also doesn't mean they don't have financial expectations of men. If either man or woman is considered “too introverted” by their counterpart, then…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 09:01 PM
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A lot of women claim they don't have one night stands but if you met the star of a movie / tv show that you find most attractive and they offered you sex, I doubt you'd turn it down. What's the difference between him and a normal guy then? He's high value - he's got social status, fame, probably money, looks, you name it. Plus you could brag to your friends that you had sex with a movie star. So yeah I don't think you're lying, but you're probably not aware of how much emotions can affect your d…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 08:43 PM
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Idk, everyone here? Me? I was just saying that in my opinion, red pillers are winning because they have made more valid points and backed them up with actual evidence. What's the purpose of your question?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 08:35 PM
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Right okay so you were in a LTR with this guy who wasn't particularly confident but had other positive qualities. I don't see how that contradicts OP or anything I've said, you saw this guy as boyfriend material (for a while) and that makes sense due to his lack of confidence. You were willing to have sex with this guy on the condition that you were actually "dating" him, whatever that means for you. Would you have had sex with this guy knowing that it would be unlikely to lead to a relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 08:31 PM
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I don't think they consciously evaluate men according to a checklist. It's subconscious, but these are the traits they tend to go for when you observe the patterns. if he lacks even one of these then she's dissatisfied in her relationship and settling This is kind of suggesting it's black and white, which it's not. You can be mostly satisfied but have things you dislike about your partner. Everyone has their own subtle ways in which their preferences differ, but those traits are typically looked…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 08:23 PM
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Why do you think they would be considered betas, and what made you want to have sex with them then?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 08:17 PM
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It was already well explained in the OP. Women claim "Oh wow, men are really upset she chose to be in a relationship with you and fuck you multiple times, what fools!" They are ignoring the caveats. What she has established is that sex for you has absolutely nothing to do with desire for you, she doesn't actually want you, sex is bound up in the money you spend on her, you acting as her personal therapist, you being her only friend, her feelings of obligation as part of your "relationship". It i…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 08:13 PM
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I would go as far as to say SMV=RMV for men, not that they are similar. If you're able to get frequent hook ups as a man, you'll be desirable for relationships as well. I've never met a guy who isn't able to get into a relationship but is able to get hook ups.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 07:31 PM
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You're missing the point, it's not that they don't want to have sex with their bfs, it's that sex is not sufficient in its own right. If they're going to have sex with a beta male, they need commitment to make it worthwhile. The alpha doesn't need commitment, he is high enough value that women will have sex with him without it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 07:21 PM
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Can you be more specific? Which claim in particular is lacking nuance?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 07:18 PM
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But there is a very large sample size of those who HAVE experienced it, to the point where the phenomenon can't be ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 07:15 PM
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Is that because you have no/little dating experience? I've experienced it as well so make that two. In fact there are so many men claiming they have experienced it lol, not sure how you can even deny it at this point. Even some of the women in this sub admit that they do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 07:14 PM
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A man's value (SMV) is determined by a number of different factors: Height Confidence and charisma Social status Wealth Leadership qualities Body fat percentage Muscle mass / tone Facial symmetry Strength of jawline Mental and emotional health This isn't an exhaustive list and in no particular order. Being fully satisfied in a relationship is hard to quantify, but when a woman's expectations/needs are met in a relationship then she will be satisfied. There are beta and alpha qualities. The beta …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 07:11 PM
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*sigh\* Here we go again... The top 10% of men get 58% of ALL likes on Hinge (an app for LTRs, the stats are even worse for tinder, which is heavily based on looks and superficiality): https://qz.com/1051462/these-statistics-show-why-its-so-hard-to-be-an-average-man-on-dating-apps/ Upper body strength accounts for most of the variance in men's bodily attractiveness: https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2017.1819 More evidence that muscles = attraction in women: https://journals.sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 06:51 PM
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If she makes as much money as he does, he'd better have other redeeming qualities otherwise she will have very little to gain from the relationship. Providing doesn't just mean in the form of money though. Betas also provide the woman with comfort, companionship and the ability to raise a child. The important point is that betas don't sexually satisfy her, that's the job of an alpha, and if she doesn't have an alpha in her life then she will desire one.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 06:47 PM
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Being good at sex is part of what makes a man valuable, but there are other important qualities. Not to mention that the sex “being good” depends on the attractiveness of the man. If he’s unattractive how can you have good sex? She won’t be turned on by him. I agree sex is important for women but not to the same extent that it’s important for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 06:38 PM
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Do you have a link to the study?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 06:34 PM
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I literally agreed that women like sex in my comment. But I also added a caveat to that. Did you even read what I wrote?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 07:44 AM
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I’m actually agreeing with you, I don’t think it’s normal to feel that way in a relationship. It usually suggests that there’s something wrong. Which is why I suggest that men work on themselves and avoid getting into bad relationships from the start, because this happens all the time. Typically due to dating women who don’t have sexual desire for them, have a high n-count, or are too high value for them (which leads to the first case, not having sexual desire).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 07:42 AM
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I’m saying that typically in relationships women with settle for the best man they can get, because the men they hook up with don’t want to get into relationships with them. So yes there is usually an aspect in a relationship of a man having to “make up” for his low value in other ways. In other words providing for her. This is the AF/BB dynamic (Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 07:33 AM
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Winning the debate about who is right.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 07:30 AM
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Oh, I totally misinterpreted your comment then. It sounded like you were blaming men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 11:27 PM
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You're assuming that the people who complain about the system are the ones losing. This isn't necessarily the case, on the contrary if you understand AF/BB it makes you more likely to work towards an abundance mindset. This is what TRP is about, it teaches you to actually improve yourself until you become a fuckable guy. If you're not taking action you're not truly red pilled. Sure some guys will learn about this stuff and get really angry and bitter (effectively becoming incels) and not recover…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 11:14 PM
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Invite her back to your place.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 11:09 PM
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You know the reason but don't want to accept it. The red pill, swallow it ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 11:08 PM
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Jesus you people will find anything to complain about. I found a study and you complain that you have to pay for it, guess what, that's what most studies are like, if you had half a brain you could find the full article on Google otherwise just read the damn abstract which summarises it. It's obviously a legit study because it has citations and was published in The Journal of Sex Research. What more do you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 11:05 PM
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Gtfo, you seriously think men are the problem? How many studies do you need proving women's superficiality and hypergamy. But sure, it's men who are the manipulative ones. We are doing what we can because women will only fuck the top 10% of men willingly, anything lower is settling for them. Just know that if you're not in that 10%, a woman doesn't love you, she doesn't give a fuck about you at all. How does that make you feel? If you say you're fine with it you're absolutely delusional and supp…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 11:02 PM
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Smart
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 10:59 PM
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Women have casual sex with higher value men than the ones they get into relationships with. This is because the men they hook up with don't want to date them long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 10:58 PM
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Nice find!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 10:55 PM
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What would you like evidence for? Can't guarantee I can provide it, depends on the claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 10:35 PM
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I think women are hypergamous, but have to settle when it comes to LTRs because the men they have casual sex with (hint: very high value men) don't want to date them. So no, often women are not fully satisfied in relationships but are getting the best they can.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 10:34 PM
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Just read the abstract. You can find the full article elsewhere but that summarises it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 10:30 PM
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You're doing better than most BPs in the sense that you acknowledge that you feel insecure, but you're also suppressing your emotions instead of actually trusting them. Have you considered that emotions might actually be there to protect you? It's not right to feel constant jealousy and bitterness in a relationship. Most married men feel this way constantly and it's probably because their relationship is simply shit. I know plenty of men like this, they have to come up with excuses to leave thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 10:24 PM
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Women can easily have sex outside of a committed relationship. That's not a reason to be in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 09:20 PM
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Also, who says the guy she slept with on the first date was an asshole? Who says the guy she’s with now is nice? I'm not saying this is always the case, it just seems to be the pattern and that is what TRP is about, noticing these patterns. Women tend to (not always) sleep with the guy who gives off "alpha" characteristics more early on and is then also willing to date this type of guy. the "beta" guy typically will get into relationships but rarely have casual sex. It's not my idea but I do agr…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 09:14 PM
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The studies on this subject are mixed and inconclusive, as with most things dating related. Here's one I found: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00224499.2019.1672036 But all it really proves is that women who like casual sex enjoy it more, and women who don't like casual sex enjoy it less. Not really that useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 09:09 PM
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Except most casual sex isn't satisfying for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 08:42 PM
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More like BP is the ultimate cuck fantasy, because they don't want to believe their girl has been fucked (or is getting fucked) by other men. It's like when children close their eyes when they see something scary and think it will go away just because their eyes are closed. RP men are aware of this stuff and are actually working on themselves, and trying to prevent it from happening to them. Who's the cuck now?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 08:38 PM
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Yeah because guess what, there is actually evidence to back this stuff up and men are waking up. It's not just sex deprived losers who believe it, it's men who are becoming aware of how women really behave and why. RP = success in relationships and dating for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 08:34 PM
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Yup... it seems red pillers are the only ones providing actual evidence and BP have nothing to back up their claims. I don't think I've seen a single study backing up BP view apart from like some BS survey from decades ago. I think it's obvious who's winning here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 08:27 PM
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You call yourself red pill and don't think the majority of men are betas? That is practically the definition of an alpha, a man that goes against the herd, one that's a leader. This will only ever realistically be the top 10-20% of men because most are lazy, complacent, and don't know how to excite a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 08:21 PM
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No, I don't give out money, but women often expect men to pay for their dates and support them financially in LTRs. Personally I avoid doing so as much as possible, but that's another discussion entirely. I think you'll find that introverts do struggle to keep up charisma and humour for extended amounts of time and it has nothing to do with being "well adjusted". Being asocial is completely different, that's to do with avoiding social interaction, which is not what I've been talking about at all…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 08:13 PM
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Yes, but genuine attraction and lust is only there if he's an alpha (or at least demonstrates some alpha characteristics). In most LTRs this isn't the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 07:54 PM
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Sort of. Women do like sex but are also very picky and have the advantage of having many options. They’ll have sex with a high value man without anything else in return, because the man himself and his value are already enough to make it worthwhile. If he’s not high value, she needs something else to sweeten the deal. Namely commitment, money, attention and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 07:32 PM
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I agree. This is about patterns, it’s not that women (or men) are making logical decisions to get something out of the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 07:28 PM
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Then you probably need to ask yourself what you’re doing in a relationship. Clearly there’s something in it for you, otherwise you wouldn’t be in one.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 07:26 PM
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It’s not a question of how they should prevent the situation, a lot of the time it’s not a logical decision. Women will be willing to have sex with a man they find attractive without any commitment. It’s a risk, but one that they’re willing to take. This is the same as how men will sometimes let their emotions take over and get into a relationship with a woman before having sex (even though I don’t think this is good for them).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 07:22 PM
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I don't believe in love, but if a woman has sex with you quickly that's a sign she is truly attracted to you. So in that sense it's the sign of a good (potential) relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:11 PM
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How is it beta?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:10 PM
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Nope. I'll never lower myself to the level of women and their superficiality and callousness.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:06 PM
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TRP doesn't claim that. It's just that sex in the relationship is transactional, and devoid of any real desire or passion. In a relationship, sex is used as a kind of reward for the man providing his resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:02 PM
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Okay then why would they withhold sex in the first place if the guys are so fuckable? The actions tell a different story to the words.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:01 PM
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I don't think it's necessarily an issue if you make it a rule to never sleep with a guy on the first date, but the OP's situation is a bit different. His gf would've slept with him on the first date IF he wasn't bf material, that implies a kind of double standard which is unfortunately way too common. Treating nice guys different to the assholes by withholding sex from them and rewarding bad behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 05:56 PM
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What are the reasons implied and why do you think they're wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 05:52 PM
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https://scottbarrykaufman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/The-Dark-Triad-Personality.pdf Nice try.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 05:51 PM
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You sound mad, did I hit a nerve? This was all in relation to women I’m actually dating, obviously I wouldn’t just give out money to random women online like you. Likewise I’m not taking the lead because I’m not on a date. You really think you did something smart there didn’t you? I’m impressed by the amount of effort you put into that comment though. Always trying to be charismatic and funny does require effort, I wouldn’t expect you to understand because you are neither charismatic nor funny a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 12:27 PM
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I’m here for interesting and stimulating discussions and I’m not getting any of that, so just going to leave it here. It’s honestly like trying to talk to a 5 year old after taking their candy away. Don’t you have something better to do than troll people on Reddit?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 12:26 AM
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Women sure do love their personal attacks without making any valid points whatsoever. Maybe it’s the reason why red pill is becoming so popular, you have no real arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 12:20 AM
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It’s for debates, that’s the whole point, if you want a blue pill echo chamber go back to r/TheBluePill
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 12:17 AM
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And you know that how, exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 11:59 PM
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You seem insecure about your autonomy or something, as if a random guy responding to you on the internet is somehow going to take it away? Bizarre. Maybe you're the one that needs therapy. I didn't say anything about most people not being average. What I was suggesting is that women don't go for average guys, and there are countless studies to back this up. Average people mate and marry other average people Yes, because women typically settle when it comes to marriage. They have to, because they…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 11:37 PM
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Let's see, in most cases: Money Planning dates and taking the lead Being charismatic/funny Keeping the conversation going Physical protection/comfort Addressing any problems or bad feelings the woman has Always being positive (being sad, depressed, or miserable as a man is not tolerated) What do women have to offer? Sex What a great deal!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 11:24 PM
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You must think you're so superior to other men just because you'll let a woman lead you on for multiple dates and not have sex with you, lol. Good job, if only us insecure and inexperienced men could be as successful as you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 11:07 PM
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Sex is not a biological need, medically speaking, as in you don't die without it. When you say: "31% of young men that are deprived of sex" implies you believe these men are "owed" sex. I believe most of those men deserve to have a sexual partner. I don't think they're owed sex by any one particular individual - no one's going to take your precious "autonomy" away. Just that they shouldn't be excluded from the dating pool for being below 6ft, for having a receding hairline, for being too "nice",…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 10:36 PM
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Why are you still here then?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 10:17 PM
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That's a big assumption to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 10:08 PM
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Saving these articles for future use against delusional women and BPs.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 10:03 PM
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Women are attracted to dark triad traits and this is a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 09:58 PM
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Narcissism is characterized by grandiosity, pride, egotism, and a lack of empathy. Machiavellianism is characterized by manipulation and exploitation of others, an absence of morality, unemotional callousness, and a higher level of self interest. Psychopathy is characterized by continuous antisocial behavior, impulsivity, selfishness, callous and unemotional traits (CU), and remorselessness. These are the traits, based on scientific studies, that women are attracted to. Not even close to what yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 09:57 PM
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as a man you actually increase your chances of being her boyfriend by not being in this "boyfriend material" category This is gold and every man needs to know this stuff. It's concerning how many men take pride in being the nice guy, being boyfriend material. Women use platitudes like this as a way to sedate men and keep them from realising that they're being used. The bad boy didn't have to wine and dine your girlfriend over the course of many dates and pay for her meals, he took her on one dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 09:50 PM
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Sex is one of the base (physiological) needs in Maslow's hierarchy, which is widely used and recognised in psychology. A lot of psychologists would disagree with you there. https://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html I don't have time to dig up the studies now but I'm pretty sure having frequent sex leads to increased overall happiness, and who wouldn't want that? ​ it's so much easier to better yourself than blame everyone around you I agree that men should work on themselves, never suggested …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 09:38 PM
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What? I was just asking whether people still believe, in their opinion, that marriage leads to a good dating/sex life. I’m not quite sure what you’re asking me for.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 09:26 PM
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Well if we’re to believe the study that OP was referring to, only 13% of men are considered to be above average by women. If we assume that women will only date men they consider “above average”, we have 100% of women trying to date 13% of men. That is indeed unrealistic, and many will have to settle, or accept some kind of polygamous arrangement with the men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 09:09 PM
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They have unrealistic standards because they can. Most women get so much attention from men, they can just pick and choose who they want, and obviously they’re going to pick top 10% guys rather than the bottom of the barrel. You could say it’s men’s fault but they have always been the initiators. Men are socialised to approach women they’re attracted to. Online dating has skewed female perception even more as they have access to a much larger dating pool now, so many more options for them. Btw, …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 09:03 PM
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Do people still believe that marriage equates to a good sex/dating life?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 08:59 PM
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If no one wants to fuck you, then it’s you I disagree. In 2020, 31% of men in the US between the ages of 18 and 24 had no sex in the past year: https://news.iu.edu/stories/2020/06/iub/releases/15-sexual-inactivity-young-men-united-states-no-sex-debby-herbenick.html When this many men are deprived of a base human need, there’s a problem. Claiming that they need therapy, or that there’s something wrong with them is gaslighting and putting the blame back on them. It’s funny how women take NO respon…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 08:09 PM
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In my experience this hasn’t been the case. Some things just shouldn’t be said, he’d be better off working through it alone, with friends, on Reddit etc. Jealousy/insecurity is a big red flag for some women. Further to that, women constantly evaluate men in every interaction, any sign of weakness will lower their perceived value.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 06:45 PM
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Her impression of him will be lowered if he brings it up, and she will claim that he’s “insecure”. It’s a terrible idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 06:36 PM
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It’s possible to have sex as your goal and also treat women with respect and like varied human beings. I don’t see how that’s relevant. Can you elaborate on how we “create our own prisons”? So you think we inflict this on ourselves? I’ve had women literally admit to me in the past that they will make guys wait for sex if they don’t find them hot enough (make them commit and pay for countless dates) but will have sex with the hot guys on the first date. But sure, it’s me that needs therapy. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 06:33 PM
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Yes 100%. What reason would she have to not have sex with a guy she genuinely finds attractive, if she’s straight? Makes no sense. The ONLY reason a straight woman won’t have sex with a man is lack of attraction, it’s that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 06:23 PM
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This is just proving the point. She risks getting hurt more if things don’t work out, but for the alpha guy she is willing to take that risk, because he’s hot. She’s not willing to take the risk for the “safe guy” and will make him jump through unnecessary hoops.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 06:19 PM
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The casual sex guy doesn’t want to date or marry, he just wants sex and she is giving him exactly that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 06:17 PM
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Lol, so far in denial.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 06:13 PM
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You’re basically saying you need to come to terms with being a loser. Would you say the same for a race? Just come to terms with being last. You don’t need to be a winner, let the other guys win. Let the other guys destroy your girl’s holes and then you can marry her and be the chump who pays for her lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 06:12 PM
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This is almost painful to read. I don’t understand how people can be happily in a relationship after hearing something like this. She literally admitted to you that she categorised you as a beta on the first date, and if you had demonstrated alpha characteristics would’ve fucked you on the first date. Instead she made you jump through hoops and commit to her first. This is AF/BB in action and one of the most obvious examples of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 06:04 PM
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That’s so stupid. Like I said, you’re wasting both your time and his. What do you gain from waiting when you both obviously want sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 12:59 PM
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Fair point. You can usually get away with lying about age but experience is a bit more difficult to fake.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 12:57 PM
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What probably happened for you is that you had a lot of experience talking to / flirting with girls from a young age and developed good game without realising it. You’re what we would call a “natural”, either that or you’re just good looking. These guys will always suggest to “just be yourself” without understanding that this approach doesn’t work for the majority of men. A lot the men in RP/PUA were brought up in closed off societies, or focused on studies/work from a young age and so had limit…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 12:50 PM
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So then you agree that approaching is important, which is exactly what red pillers are trying to advocate.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 11:24 AM
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You think it’s this because your understanding of how dating works is totally warped. Men are expected to say the exact right thing and if they make one mistake, it’s over for them, even if it’s the 4th or 5th date and they’ve paid for every single one and done everything else perfectly. This is more a consequence of women’s hypergamy and high standards than the man’s “mouth”.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 11:20 AM
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What alternative would you suggest, when women are quite clearly the gatekeepers of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 11:16 AM
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My projection? Just look at all the tinder/hinge studies which show that the top percentage of men get most of the total likes across the whole platform. It shows everything. Online dating has also become the norm for meeting a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 11:12 AM
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Yeah couples where the women fucked the top 10% of guys for decades, then settled down for a “nice guy” when the chads weren’t interested in a relationship. Couples don’t disprove hypergamy…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 02:46 AM
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Sexual Market Value
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 01:56 AM
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Sex is definitely the primary motivation of dating for most guys.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/22 01:46 AM
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I'm red pilled but personally wouldn't cheat. It ruins the fun. It's a challenge trying to make yourself as attractive as you can be to women and get as high an n-count as possible through legitimate means.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 01:36 AM
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Yup, thanks for the advice. SMV does peak for men in their 30s, so no reason to settle down yet. Right now just trying to increase my SMV by hitting the gym and working on my social skills. I’ve heard that while overall you’re more in demand in your 30s, it’s harder to attract younger women. Has this been the case for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 01:17 AM
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You’re not a narcissist, people are just gaslighting you. There’s nothing wrong with trying to become the man that women will actually lust over. Most relationship are people settling for what they can get. Never settle until you’re at your peak SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 05:26 PM
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Most men DO care, they just accept their situation because it’s better than being alone. I don’t think it’s narcissistic to strive to become a better man and have better relationships and sex. You also make it sound like men can either try to be the best or accept their situation, but not both. IMO, every man’s goal should be to become that desirable guy that women want to have one night stands with, regardless of how attractive he is. Then they should pick the best option they can and just be h…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 05:20 PM
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Mid 20s. Would you consider someone ~5 years younger for a relationship? That increases the pool quite a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 05:01 PM
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Usually in the early stages of a relationship, there's a "don't ask, don't tell" sort of phase where you haven't yet discussed exclusivity, even if there's the intention to go in that direction. This is an opportunity for men to have sex with other women, while not cheating. Casual setups also allow for men to sleep around and so you end up with the so called "soft harem" where multiple women are having sex with the same man. The same can happen in reverse (and does all the time) where a woman h…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 01:24 PM
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Then you don't understand what "betabux" means. If you're a betabux, you're providing for a woman with little (if any) sex in return. If you're getting multiple women to fuck you, this obviously isn't the case. Is it alpha? Probably not, because an alpha generally wouldn't need to use that kind of deception to sleep with multiple women. It's more like faking the behaviour of an alpha by lying/cheating. None the less it still shows that women are willing to fuck you, just that they want commitmen…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 01:18 PM
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As a man that gets quite a few matches on Hinge, it's easy to take them for granted and start getting lazy with my responses. As soon as I do, I get ghosted and start to wonder what I did wrong. Then I remember, there are HUNDREDS of other guys like me that she's either already talking to or has lined up for when she gets bored of our conversation. Just one wrong move early on and she will "next" you, talking to a guy that is even potentially low value is simply not worth the risk for her. Even …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 12:40 PM
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I call bullshit, women are not psychic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 10:50 AM
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Lots of men want a traditional set up but do not have the funds to buy out a woman's career If the man makes enough to sustain both of them and they're able to live comfortably off his income alone, it doesn't really matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 07:21 PM
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You must be trolling. It’s so evident you have no clue about fitness whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 04:18 PM
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I guarantee you’re nowhere near your genetic ceiling for muscle building. Do you even know what that term means? Most men can gain 40-50 pounds of muscle naturally, that’s in addition to the base amount of muscle they had before going to the gym. Unless you have gained 40 pounds of muscle (takes years of body building / strength training) you don’t need to worry about your genetic ceiling any time soon bud.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 03:40 PM
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Exactly, unless you have been bodybuilding for 10 years you don’t need to worry about the genetic ceiling. It’s just an excuse people use to not go to the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 03:36 PM
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Most guys can get a muscular body regardless of genetics. Sure there are different body types as a result of genetics, but mostly it just causes minor differences such as the proportions of the muscles, style of abs etc. Being skinny, or fat, is very rarely genetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 02:44 PM
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They should, it’s just wasted potential SMV. I wouldn’t be able to live with myself knowing I could potentially go up from a 6.5 to say a 7, but am just too lazy to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 12:40 PM
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They don’t cheat, they just get their women to agree to polygamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 12:19 AM
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Probably increased depression and suicide rates amongst men, but also increased reliance on porn (particularly VR porn in the future). I also think "alternative" dating and sexual strategies will become much more common. I'd expect an increase in red/black pill and MGTOW men, and a burst of popularity in PUA. So many guys are going to give up and start resorting to VR porn and sex bots that it might actually even the field a bit and reduce the amount of simping / demand for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 12:00 AM
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"use for sex" 🤣🤣🤣 It's always funny when women think they're playing guys by using them for sex. Those dudes are probably happy as hell they're getting free sex without any kind of commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:47 PM
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How do you know what the man you want is attracted to? Every man has a different type. A jock who plays football can be attracted to nerdy women, or sporty women, or anywhere in between. Being a "type" doesn't mean you're automatically attracted to that same type.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:42 PM
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Male “suffering” 😂🤣😂 You laugh at male suffering and then have the nerve to call someone disgusting?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:38 PM
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This is kinda funny because there's an in-joke/meme in the blackpill community that you just have to take a shower and you'll instantly become a Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:29 PM
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Every rejection is a sign that I'm not good enough in some way. Even if it's "nothing personal" as women will claim, there's always a lesson for me to take away from an interaction. Maybe my body language wasn't as great as it could've been, or I wasn't making enough eye contact, or I wasn't being charismatic enough. That's why field reports, journalling and setting goals is so important. I write this stuff down and identify areas to improve in for next time. Usually I will focus on one aspect a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:24 PM
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They don't need to give you a reason, but every decision has some kind of reasoning behind it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:15 PM
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Just one other conversation? You gotta pump those numbers up, those are rookie numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:08 PM
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Don't give up, you can do it king. Have you tried cold approach?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:03 PM
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If you do shit like this you’re not attracted to him anyway. Stop wasting both your time and his and just find someone you actually do want to have sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 08:52 PM
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A lot of guys won’t talk about this stuff to women IRL because they’ll immediately get perceived as lower value. This even happens online, I constantly get accused of being a loser, whining etc by women who don’t know anything about me, just because I talk about red pill. In reality I’m in great shape and have a good dating life. I just know the game and when/who to talk about this stuff with. I don’t know enough about the situation to really comment, but could it be that she adores actually get…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 07:35 PM
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This is almost too exaggerated to make it worth the conversation It's actually not exaggerated at all. The fact that you think it is, shows that you have no idea how screwed up the current dating market is. All men are constantly competing with the top 10%, because women can take their pick of who they want to date, and so naturally they will pick the top guys. Those roles don't require a man to change significantly for his partner, though the very nature of pleasing and nurturing means changing…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 06:55 PM
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"The women are for you dumbass" I agree, working out is always for yourself. If you want to become attractive to others, that's still going to benefit you. It's also not black and white, there are many benefits to working out and a lot of people are doing it for some combination of them. I like the increased attention from women (I'll admit that's a big part of it), but also the increased confidence, the feeling that I can defend myself in a fight, health, being able to lift heavy objects when n…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 06:35 PM
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Sure, I see your point, what I prefer isn't going to appeal to everyone. Most women have slept around to some extent, so personally I care less about that and more about whether there's genuine sexual attraction. To each their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 06:25 PM
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Read it again. I quoted the part where they clearly stated only 39% had one or two. That’s not a majority. It’s not dumb, this is what scientists do, try to eliminate any possible bias or inaccuracy in their studies. There’s a study that shows women either lie or have no idea what traits they find most attractive in a man (stated vs actual importance). If we take the results to be correct, 39% had 1-2 partners, 25% had around 5, 12% had up to 10, 5% had 20+ You have to also consider that the peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 06:03 PM
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That’s the role of a woman, she will try and convert you to blue pill. Your job is to remain solid in your frame. Once she has control over you, she’ll start to lose attraction. Just curious, what steps did you take to become attractive to women? What was the tipping point or main factor which caused you to start being noticed by them? Always good to hear some success stories. Cheers
/r/TheRedPill20/01/22 01:42 PM
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Because every woman says this and it’s so obvious what they’re doing. They say they’ve changed when they categorise a guy as a beta they think they can get into a relationship with. For an alpha, they haven’t changed and will still fuck him on the first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 01:20 PM
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Or maybe, just maybe, women are capable of making their own decisions and consented to sexual acts with that man, but not with their partner who they found less attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 01:00 PM
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I’d be more inclined to date the second woman because at least I know there’s genuine sexual attraction there. In the first case she’s most likely slept with a bunch of guys casually, tried a lot of things with them sexually and now is bored and wants to settle down with the “relationship guy” who won’t leave or cheat. What man would want to be the safe option that a woman settles for?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 12:57 PM
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You have no interest in wasting time with a guy who’ll fake a relationship just to get laid, so you’ll continue to see him and… guess what… waste his time, and yours, by making him wait. Great logic there.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 12:51 PM
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The amount of times I’ve heard the same story from women is crazy. “I did [insert sexual experience here] when I was younger, but I’ve changed now. I’m looking for a nice guy to settle down with.” They never change, they’re just saying that in the hopes that you’ll get into a relationship with them and look past all their taboo sexual experiences with other guys. These days I won’t even consider a woman for a relationship if I get classed as the “relationship guy”. I’d much rather date someone w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 12:47 PM
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The majority of respondents, 39 percent, had only had one or two partners with whom they had practiced casual sex. I know what they were trying to say, but since when is 39% a majority? On the contrary, this actually proves that the majority had MORE than one or two sexual partners. The purpose of this survey was to show that most woman do engage in casual sex, and they were able to show that. A percentage, even though it is small, claim to have had 20+ partners. Btw, this is a survey and it’s a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:58 AM
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Where is this larger research? If there’s a study that’s been done I’d be curious to see it. I never claimed my personal experience has more credibility. You didn’t mention anything about a study in your previous comment. Historically it wasn’t just monogamous relationships that contributed to keeping the species alive, quite the opposite. Look at the mongol empire for example and Genghis Khan who impregnated hundreds of women and is an ancestor of many people alive today. Monogamy is the female…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 10:06 AM
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A woman’s attraction for a man can change over the course of a single interaction. So yeah while I agree there’s no point trying to make a move when there’s no attraction, the solution to that (as a man) is simply focus on getting her attracted first. Or if there’s zero interest then move on. You mean the men can be worthless? Grindr is a gay dating app, there are very few straight women on there. Not sure if I’m understanding you but I don’t think it would do much for straight guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 09:55 AM
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Attraction is more than just looks. A lot of women will sleep with funny or charming guys even if they’re ugly. Besides even if that were true, you’re just proving my point that approaching is important, how will you know if they’re attracted to you? By approaching. High number of approaches = increased chances of meeting someone who’s attracted.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 09:09 AM
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Do you really believe that most women only have casual sex 1-2 times in their life? Certainly hasn’t been the case for most I’ve spoken to. Yes it’s harder for them to find it pleasurable but that won’t stop them. Sex drive is what keeps the species alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 09:04 AM
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Because I’m not gay. You must have thought that was pretty funny, how old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 08:51 AM
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The real problem, which this post doesn’t address, is that most men are happy with their hobbies. Of course they’re going to do what makes them happy, and probably already do, why wouldn’t they? It’s women that aren’t happy with them and find them boring. So what needs to be addressed is how to make women be interested in your life. One approach is to change your life to match what women are attracted to. This takes a lot of effort, and most importantly, you’re not being true to yourself. You wi…
/r/TheRedPill19/01/22 08:27 PM
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Red pill / self improvement advice is uncomfortable to hear for a lot of people. For some men it triggers their insecurities and feelings of low self worth, they don’t want to acknowledge their shortcomings hence the feel good advice of “just be yourself”. For women it’s intimidating because men are gaining more power over them by working on themselves and actually having a sexual strategy. 🤷🏻‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 05:37 PM
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Yup, after seeing how many messages women get on dating apps effortlessly, how many men simp, approach them on the street etc I have no remorse about cutting a woman out. Break ups are nothing to them compared to what men have to go through. My process is very mechanical now, I keep a rotation of 3+ women and if I get rejected/friendzoned drop them straight away and replace.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 05:25 PM
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So women can do nothing wrong, if they end a relationship it’s always the guy’s fault one way or another and she is just reacting. Way to take all responsibility off women. Do you really think that’s how relationships work? Jesus Christ.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 05:18 PM
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You don’t have to be good looking or rich to spin plates. Just talk to multiple women at the same time and try to make progress with them in parallel. If she rejects you, she’s out of the rotation, you find another one. If you keep it going, you’re guaranteed to get lucky eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 05:16 PM
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Haha I actually don’t agree with the black pill view. My advice is always along the lines of approaching, hitting to the gym, being direct and not making yourself too much of a nice guy
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 05:00 PM
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That’s your line? “Can I get in your pants?” How’s that working out for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 01:09 PM
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r/dating and r/dating_advice are echo chambers. I was banned for simply stating my opinion. No Soapboxing Or Promoting An Agenda. This means keeping red pill, seduction/PUA, incel, pinkpill, purplepill, FDS, and blackpill material out of r/dating So literally only blue pill advice is welcome on r/dating, there is a very limited perspective and almost no free discussion. Take it for what you will.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 01:06 PM
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Just lie about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 12:26 AM
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He needs to figure out what’s holding him back. For example if balding, consider hair transplant. If short, use shoe lifts. If it’s personality then socialise more and do cold approach, join an improv comedy class etc. Just be willing to take risks, at the age of 40 he’s got nothing to lose, he should hit on every woman he sees, attractive or not and practice his game. Travelling might work as a last resort. For example some guys have success in south east Asia. As a very much last resort, hooke…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 12:25 AM
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Adonisssssss
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 11:22 PM
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It feels like the more experience I get in the dating world, the less I want to settle down. There's just nothing for me to gain from it and too much to lose. If I want to get laid I'll just go meet some women and keep things casual. I don't need romance or someone I can have deep conversations with, none of that interests me. Women are superficial and don't understand or relate to me at all. They are incapable of love and only think about how much muscle does this guy have, how "confident" is h…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 11:20 PM
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Okay… show me where I said I was in my 40s/50s? I’ve never claimed that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 11:44 AM
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Haha what? Did you really think I’m in my 40s or 50s? Not even close, but I’m flattered that you think my knowledge and experience are that of a boomer. I’m here for serious discussions not insult matches, so not going to waste my time if it’s just going in that direction. I’m curious as to what your strategies are as a “late 20s” guy that are so much more effective than RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 09:14 AM
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Alpha fucks, beta bucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 12:07 AM
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Finally someone else who gets it in this sub. The whole purpose of alpha behaviour is for sex and keeping things short term. Demonstrating only alpha traits is actually not a good strategy in the long term, there has to be a balance, or in some cases if she’s smart the woman will actually just end it as she knows it’s not going to end well for her (either the alpha will eventually cheat, or simply refuse to provide for her like the beta will. He is too far on the other end of the spectrum and do…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 12:05 AM
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You didn't say it was wrong, relax.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 10:33 PM
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Well PUA/approaching is a large part of men's dating strategy. I don't really see why you would exclude it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 09:45 PM
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The rest of the redpill aware men are basically pick up artists. They play games. Match womens manipulation. They’re not genuine. They’re following a script on how to decode and navigate the dating market. And that's wrong because...? Like women don't play games.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 09:24 PM
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You sound mad, what’s bothering you? Or are you upset that reality doesn’t fit your world view that you learned from Disney movies and mainstream media. You fail to prove me wrong, then resort to personal attacks. I go on multiple dates a week and apply a lot of the useful info I’ve learned from TRP with success. So no I wouldn’t say I’m inexperienced. Then again it’s all relative, maybe I have something to learn from you white knight pussy slayers who think they’ll finally get some action once …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 07:58 PM
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I explained what they’re angry for in that same comment, unless you also can’t read? And who said that we can’t get laid, or is that just a baseless assumption? A whole community of people focused on male sexual strategy apparently can’t get laid, hmmm. Now I’ve truly heard every argument against the red pill. You’re seriously claiming that it’s a scam and about the money? I haven’t paid a penny for any RP content and never will, it’s all freely available info. It’s like you’re not even trying. …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 07:49 PM
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No it’s not the exclusive property of the red pill, but that’s also not really what red pill is about. There is a self improvement aspect to it, men are encouraged to lift weights, dress well etc to make themselves physically attractive. But it’s also about female psychology. What causes them to behave in the ways that they do, how to behave around them to be sexually appealing, how to pass their tests. All of this is quite unique to red pill. But I can also tell you don’t really care and just w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 06:16 PM
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Obviously people can have different notch counts. I was referring to the fact that biologically we (almost) all have the same desire for sex. Maybe those women have low counts due to fear of being labelled a slut, or due to their circumstances. It shouldn’t take a genius to recognise desire does not automatically equal high number of sexual partners. If you believe having sex with lots of hot women isn’t fun that’s your opinion, but you’re certainly in the minority. I don’t know what you’ve expe…
/r/TheRedPill17/01/22 05:46 PM
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I mean there is data to back up the red pill, there is no evidence for any of those other things you listed. Red pill is actually the most rational attempt to understand dating I have seen, no dumbing things down to protect anyone’s feelings, just pure facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 05:39 PM
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That’s kind of proving my point, so basically you need some very particular physical traits in order to be considered attractive. Very few men actually have any of those…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 05:37 PM
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This has got to be a joke. Red pill is purely focused on sexual strategy for men. It would literally not even exist if it didn’t work.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 02:52 PM
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Thank you. How many case studies do we need until they finally admit they’re wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 12:59 PM
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I’m just telling you that in my experience, that hasn’t really been the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 11:54 AM
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finding someone who genuinely loves you I don’t care about love or monogamy. For me raw and passionate sex with many women is way more fun and fulfilling. And for that, being a nice and genuine guy just doesn’t cut it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 11:50 AM
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So if you had a choice of lying or being alone for the rest of your life, you’re telling me you’d choose to be alone? Doing what I can to have some success with women doesn’t make me a bad person. How is it any different to women wearing makeup or heels to make themselves look better? For the record, as I stated I don’t lie to my guy friends or women I’m not interested in. I’d rather be a “twat” who gets laid than a loser who is nice and gets nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 11:42 AM
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It’s more the opposite. Guys interested in casual sex have to pretend to be “bad boys” because that’s what women find attractive. I’m a nice guy to everyone else but I have to put on my douchebag persona when I’m dating just so that women will notice me in a sexual way. I hate vanity and guys showing off their big muscles, but it works and those guys get laid. Trust me I would much rather be the sweet and kind nerd if it gave me any success at all in the dating world. I know many other guys who …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 11:33 AM
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Everyone manipulates in one way or another, it’s human nature to try and make yourself as appealing as possible to potential mates. For guys this happens in the form of “game”, demonstrating high value / social status, wealth, lying about age and career etc. Women due this by virtue signalling (claiming that they’re attracted to “good men” and don’t sleep around), wearing make up, heels, dressing up. So yes manipulation is everywhere in dating. It’s a competition, and in competitions some will t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 11:24 AM
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For the record I agree with you that guys with poor social skills, and ugly/short guys are treated unfairly by women and society as a whole. The former are usually able to change that so they should consider themselves relatively lucky and focus on what they can do about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 11:09 AM
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Women are all subject to the same biological desires, so there is no such thing as sluts really. You think they’re not like that because you haven’t seen that side of them. Do you think those “good guys” that you mention would sleep with lots of hot women if they had the chance? In that case they’re no different to the women. Just subject to their biological desires. It’s not about good or bad.
/r/TheRedPill17/01/22 10:03 AM
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If he was just trying to work on his social skills, I’m sure they would give him a pass, but he was also blatantly filming it. Also having bad social skills is fine but in this case he was being persistent and intimidating women. Anyone who does that is at risk of being arrested. Unfortunately, being uncalibrated makes you more likely to do stuff like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 08:58 AM
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Hahaha. “Height doesn’t matter to me, but my boyfriend just HAPPENS to be 6’4” You can’t make this shit up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 01:17 AM
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True. Which is why they'll screen heavily for high value men who are more likely to be sexually experienced, and know how to please a woman. But yeah I suppose it could also deter some women away from casual sex entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 11:44 PM
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Very few women have access to high value men Is that still true if they have access to dating apps such as Tinder, do you reckon?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 11:41 PM
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That just doesn't make sense though. Why would women want to have casual sex with them if they have so little to offer, and can find a higher value man for that then?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 11:33 PM
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To be fair, on Tinder the only thing you have to go on is a bunch of photos and a short bio. Of course it's going to be mostly based on looks. Women are attracted to hot guys, what else is new?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 11:31 PM
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I'm curious as to how you "see" men in the area having casual sex. Are they just getting freaky in the middle of the street or do they just not own curtains over there? 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 11:27 PM
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What are the 2 traits?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 10:51 PM
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Sure, but women like sex too. They'll have casual sex through tinder and then try to settle down with the highest value man they can (by whatever means they can find one).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 10:45 PM
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When they say there are no good men, what they really mean is there are no chads who are also good men. Unattractive good men are invisible to them, they don't even count.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 09:58 PM
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Yup, and some chump will marry her and think she's the love of his life. In reality, she's just settling for the best she can get. He's nothing special to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 09:55 PM
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r/dating is full of trash and an echo chamber. I was banned for simply stating my opinion. No Soapboxing Or Promoting An Agenda.This means keeping red pill, seduction/PUA, incel, pinkpill, purplepill, FDS, and blackpill material out of /r/dating So basically, unless you are sharing blue pill advice (hard to even call it advice, really), your advice is not welcome. What a joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 09:47 PM
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Being able to predict behaviours is the first step in engineering the results you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 09:38 PM
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Let's face it, if she was "superior" to him, he wouldn't have even gotten to the point of having a first date. She would not bat an eye at him. Women always date up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 09:37 PM
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I do think there is truth in what you're saying. Bars attract a certain kind of crowd and you may not necessarily want to date those kind of women. What I'll say is that I've met seemingly shy and introverted women who have had all sorts of crazy sexual experiences and are even more promiscuous than women I've met at bars. Looks and surface level personality can be deceiving. As you said, seeking the best partner is human nature, and we all want sex whether we are introverted or not. To add to t…
/r/TheRedPill16/01/22 09:18 PM
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As a beginner, it doesn't have to be crazy. 3-5 approaches a day and you'll slowly improve.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 06:35 PM
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Fair enough. I don’t know the guy personally so have no proof he is legit. I just don’t see why it would be faked, he gives seminars in front of thousands of people so clearly has the social skills and demonstrates his charisma in his public vids. It’s not too much of a stretch to say that he is also good at picking up women. RSD’s videos have also personally helped me tremendously.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 05:16 PM
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Depends on a lot of things. Night game vs daygame, how experienced the guy is, how attractive he is (including all that stuff I mentioned above). Maybe 5-10% number close rate for a beginner in daygame, assuming he is actually trying and is well dressed etc. At the top end I would say around 20%. This still varies a lot though, even the weather can affect your success. I noticed for example when it's cold or raining I have a lower success rate. Maybe overall lower mood and people feeling less so…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 05:03 PM
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They're not fake. You can even tell that some of them in the night game clips are a bit drunk. Dude plenty of people in the community have met Tyler and have approached with him IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 04:54 PM
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Of course people are going to say that and try to discredit him. But if you have ever done your own approaches and watched his you'll see that his confidence and game is not something that can be faked. If the women are all actors, they're very good ones. Watch this and tell me every woman in this video is a paid actor? https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2ynk68 To add to that, he coaches guys all the time who witness him in field.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 04:39 PM
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A lot of guys use "I'm unattractive" as an excuse. Even if they're born with an ugly face, there's a lot they can do to make themselves more attractive. It's not essential but this stuff improves cold approach success rate: Being physically fit Wearing stylish clothes that fit Good posture and eye contact Wearing a nice perfume Fresh haircut etc. Is there any excuse to not do this stuff even if you're "ugly"? Not really. A lot of the factors affecting your SMV can be improved.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 04:32 PM
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He was cycling around with a GoPro on his head creepily approaching women and posting it on YouTube without their consent. I'm not justifying his arrest or anything, but if he didn't have a camera strapped to his head and maybe had some basic social skills he wouldn't have been arrested.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 04:21 PM
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It's more that people use it as an excuse to not approach and then whine about their lack of success with women, IMO. Some people will use any excuse not to take action and improve themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 04:12 PM
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I heard that Owen Cook of RSD has mild autism, he was one of the best in the game for quite a while before he took all his content down and re branded the company. He kinda used his unique personality to his advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 04:10 PM
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Yeah even for a "chad" 40% is unrealistic... The top PUAs don't get anywhere close to 40%. Though for night game the success rate is a lot higher at least for me, most women in clubs/bars are single and looking to hook up or at least willing to talk to guys. Night game is like easy mode for cold approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 04:02 PM
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The whole point of cold approach initially is to make them comfortable around you and not a stranger. It's one of the first things you learn, you're trying to balance attraction and comfort. On the initial approach the rejection rate is very high but the longer you can keep her there talking to you, the better chance you have. Similar to sales. Yes warm approaches tend to have higher success rate, but how many of those can you realistically do lol, unless you have a huge social circle. Also you …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 03:54 PM
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AWALT. They may not be partying but they'll still seek an alpha no matter what their interests are.
/r/TheRedPill16/01/22 03:38 PM
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Women always have a plethora of high value options available to them. If they don’t find any IRL, they can resort to tinder. Women only have to lower their standards for LTRs as men are much more careful about who they get into relationships with.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 11:10 AM
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This is a straw man. I don’t think you understand the point of AF/BB, it’s not that betas have to get married before having sex. It’s that they are made to jump through hoops such as taking women on expensive dates before they are “rewarded” with sex. A beta will typically only have sex in an LTR whereas an alpha controls the dynamics of the relationship, having sex long before any kind of commitment, and deciding whether or not he wants it to become an LTR. If you take a look at any relationshi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 11:02 AM
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His main source of sex will be LTRs, of which he will have 3-4 over the course of his life. The women will be average to below average and will have already been used and abused by chads multiple times, resulting in them having to settle with the average guy. Outside of the LTRs he will be celibate. If lucky, he'll have a couple of drunk hookups.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 01:45 AM
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If only these were the traits that women looked for lol. The world would be a better place. Sadly it's more like the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 12:54 AM
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If you have to "initiate" then she's not interested. I've had plenty of experiences where if I had not approached a girl, I wouldn't have closed her. Women are not initiators, even if they find a guy attractive they may try to get his attention but usually will not approach. The numbers game works. I agree that rejection can be worse than the parent post implied. If you get rejected 100 times out of 100 attempts, that IS going to hurt your ego regardless of how much you tell yourself "it's not t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 04:54 PM
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physical attractiveness does not play the biggest part in overall attractiveness If we're talking about casual encounters then I disagree. Physical attractiveness plays a huge part. When it comes to LTRs there's a lot more involved of course. Strength is positively correlated with muscle mass and yes I'm aware that it's a bell curve. I wasn't suggesting that the biggest and strongest dudes are the most attractive, it's the men with a low body fat / visible abs and toned muscular physique that ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 12:01 AM
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Fine since it bothers you so much that I'm "off topic" I'll tell you what I think about misogyny/sexism. I think for casual situations they don't affect women's attraction, looks and confidence/masculinity are some of the most important factors there. Often women will overlook negative personality traits in a very physically attractive guy, especially for a random hookup. Of course, many hate to admit this. For LTRs it's a bit different, no woman in their right mind will stay with a misogynist l…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 10:29 PM
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Men can of course be manipulated by women, but learning women's motivations behind a relationship is like redpill 101. The way I see it is everyone is manipulating each other in one way or another. I do feel sorry for those totally helpless guys who think they're "in love" while being slowly sapped of their resources and energy. Maybe I should rephrase my comment to "men should pay more attention to women's actions than their words".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 09:36 PM
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I've never been coached, though I'm not completely against the idea. At this point I'm confident enough in approaching and have absorbed enough pickup content over the years to feel that I don't really need it. Hey whatever gets guys laid and gives them an advantage in this completely broken system that we call dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 09:29 PM
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Well, as long as you're happy that's all that matters. I hope it lasts!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 09:26 PM
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Love isn't a thing, it never has and never will exist except in Disney movies. The more men believe this stuff, the more they're going to settle and fail to be the best versions of themselves. What I feel sorry for is laziness, believing in fairy tales, and people not living up to their full potential.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 08:00 PM
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Quite good advice here actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 07:54 PM
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It's always funny when people refer to casual sex as meaningless. Compared to what, being in a monogamous relationship with a woman who has lowered her standards for you, and being used for your resources for the rest of your life? A man's goal is to have sex with as many women as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 07:46 PM
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Ah, the classic change of topic when you get proven wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 07:23 PM
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However, there is a sizeable dataset across many cultures that does show that women did not prefer the strongest men Well yes it's obvious that strength isn't the only factor. The main thing they were trying to prove here is that upper body strength accounts for most of men's physical attractiveness. No one ever claimed strength is the only thing women are attracted to, however there are plenty here like yourself trying to virtue signal and claim women just care about personality. This is plain …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 06:48 PM
1

A lot of guys have benefitted from PUA coaching, it can be overpriced but many of them have experience from doing hundreds/thousands of approaches. If anything it can encourage them to take action and get over their approach anxiety.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 02:34 PM
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I was actually just about to provide some counter evidence. Here you go: https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2017.1819 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1474704919852918 There are quite a few more. It's funny that you ask why women would say they prefer one thing and actually prefer another. Here's another study which shows this phenomenon: https://faculty.wcas.northwestern.edu/eli-finkel/documents/EastwickFinkel2008_JPSP.pdf In this study, women hugely underestimated the …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 02:17 PM
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I don't know about misogyny, but the Dark Triad traits (narcissism, Machiavellianism and psychopathy) are certainly attractive to women: https://scottbarrykaufman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/The-Dark-Triad-Personality.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 12:50 PM
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This is anecdotal. In other words, it's based on what women SAY not who they actually have sex with. These kind of studies are worthless.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 12:46 PM
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PUAs will typically test strategies over many approaches and see what works. This is using statistics to drive your behaviour. What that success rate actually is can vary depending on the strategy and the individual. Obviously your looks and the way you deliver it will also have an impact, so it’s hard to isolate the effectiveness of just one specific factor alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 11:00 AM
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I’m sure there are men out there who believe what women have to say. I’ve personally heard the lies so many times that I know not to believe any of it. What I’m saying is that men should focus on actions not words. So in that sense, the words don’t matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 10:34 AM
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Played for what?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 09:10 AM
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They don’t need to believe lies and they don’t really care. Women aren’t generally the ones seducing men, so what they say is largely irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 12:26 AM
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PUA works on the majority of women. That’s the whole point, it’s tactics which have been tried and tested over thousands approaches and statistically have the highest success rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 12:24 AM
1

What? How are men vulnerable to PUA tactics and how many female PUAs do you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 12:22 AM
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They get laid by women who put up with or like shitty behaviour So… pretty much every woman then?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 12:21 AM
1

Fair enough. I've personally experienced this and know many others who have. It's related to the "nice guy" syndrome and being categorised by women as the provider which many books have been written about. When women as perceive you as a safe, smart, nice guy they will often want to be in a relationship with you for the comfort aspect. Basically they know you won't cheat and will take care of them. But hookups with a guy like that are simply not worth it - there's not enough excitement or sexual…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 07:56 PM
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It could be a cultural difference but in the west I've rarely seen being overly affectionate early on actually working. Usually it gets interpreted as creepy, needy etc. and she gets turned off. But if it works for some people, it works and I'd recommend they stick to it. It could also depend on the type of woman, those who are conventionally "hot" tend to hate compliments because they get them ALL the time from desperate guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 07:22 PM
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One of the big bluepill misconceptions is that relationships are "more valuable" than just sex. The reality is that most men can get into a relationship with a bit of effort, but many men struggle to have hookups or no-strings-attached sex. Women will claim high sexual attraction to their boyfriends but a lot of the time it's contractual, in other words they would not have sex with them outside of an exclusive relationship. They need their side of the deal to be met, otherwise it's off. Obviousl…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 01:11 PM
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This is a strong blackpill. The worst part is that it's near impossible to change your height.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 10:04 PM
3

Spot on.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 08:25 PM
2

For once I actually agree with a woman on this sub. Online dating is a waste of time for men in 2022. Cold approach is the way to go. With that said, if you're even getting a 1% match rate, it's a good supplement to cold approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 06:55 PM
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Betas are not necessarily cheated on. Their partner can be faithful but still be using him for his resources, giving him mediocre sex and not having any sexual desire for him. Of course, this isn't a favourable situation for the woman either and usually these relationships don't last. It's the reason why divorce rates are so high.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 06:49 PM
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Only 10% of men are desired. The other 90% will get the scraps - women who settle when they can't get into a relationship with a top 10% man. This is after having casual sex with top 10% men for years or even decades. Once they're bored of this, they settle for a provider with money and other resources. The top 10% of men get 58% of ALL likes on Hinge (it's even worse for tinder, which is much more based on looks): https://qz.com/1051462/these-statistics-show-why-its-so-hard-to-be-an-average-man…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 06:39 PM
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Lol, the classic online virtue signalling. I’ve heard so many women say this, but when you find out about their dating history it’s all 6’0+ guys. Another obvious tell is men in this thread stating how important it is to be tall - the ones who have personally experienced and witnessed the harsh rejections by women. Those same women are disagreeing and saying that height doesn’t matter with no evidence to back up their claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 04:54 PM
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You mean you’ll take real life interaction with a Chad over meeting a Chad off of tinder. Women won’t bat an eye at men who aren’t in the top 10% and the data is there to prove it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 04:43 PM
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I guess they can be cheaper if you don’t plan on having kids or getting married. Still, most relationships tend to not be favourable financially for men. I would say they increase your quality of life if you struggle to find sexual partners. It’s kind of like how having a 9-5 job will make your life better if you’re homeless, but not if you have a large amount of money already and can invest/become an entrepreneur.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 07:57 AM
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That's an indirect approach, it has its pros and cons. Yes you are slipping "under the radar" but you're also not making your intentions very clear. She could then see you as a friend or not even know you're hitting on her. Usually I'll just say hey I saw you and I thought you looked cute, so I wanted to say hi.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 09:43 PM
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You can't win as a man. Talk to women on dating apps, you're probably a creep who just wants sex and a coward for not approaching her. Talk to them in person, you're sexually harassing them. You have to just forget what they think or want and do what works, because either way you're going to get called a misogynist for simply being male and wanting sex (a base human need).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 09:37 PM
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Relationships are overrated. I'd much rather have frequent, consistent hook ups / FWBs than a relationship. Anything that I can get from a relationship I can get from other sources. I go for meals and do fun stuff with my friends, everything sexual with the hook ups / FWBs and you get to experience a lot more than you would in a relationship. None of the bullshit arguments, compromises, having to endure sexless marriages, and spending ridiculous amount of money on your partner. I think with the …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 09:27 PM
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Learning to be dominant in and outside of the bedroom is an absolute game changer. When you assume a dominant role she will naturally assume the submissive role. Don't ask, just take the lead and she will respect you for it. The flip side of this is that you have to be able to read her. Sometimes a "no" really is a no, but she will do a lot more for the confident man than the timid one who doesn't take control.
/r/TheRedPill09/01/22 07:01 PM
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Personally I like to set my expectations low for the night and just tell myself I want to have a fun night. That way whatever happens I'm setting myself up to succeed, anything more that happens is a positive on TOP of my original goal. Maybe you're worrying too much about objectives and that's taking you away from being present in the moment. Yeah I know what you mean about expressing deep thoughts, some social awareness is necessary, to strike a balance between being "spontaneous" but also not…
/r/seduction09/01/22 02:34 PM
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Lift and approach, the only two things you really need.
/r/TheRedPill06/01/22 11:52 PM
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Not sure why this is getting downvoted lol it's true. Anger is the best motivator too.
/r/TheRedPill06/01/22 09:29 PM
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I really hope this isn't real, that was painful to read. I'm sorry you had to experience that. This kind of post gives me motivation to improve, I never want to be in that situation...
/r/TheRedPill06/01/22 09:22 PM
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I think the awkwardness is ultimately due to the fact that you’re worried about how they’re going to react to what you say. Practice speaking spontaneously with people, without rehearsing anything, just speaking your mind with as little a filter as possible. They don’t have to be attractive women, talk to everyone in this way. Say something stupid, on purpose, and notice how the world doesn’t end and you don’t die. Everything’s still fine. Alcohol also helps, especially to initially break this p…
/r/seduction03/01/22 12:34 PM
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Don’t try to game over text, just invite her to hang out and that’s it. You don’t want a texting buddy and she probably doesn’t either. They’re losing interest because they’re waiting for you to ask them out or make a move and it doesn’t happen. If you’re coming off as innocent you’re not even close to being direct enough, amp it up and see how they respond.
/r/seduction03/01/22 12:21 PM
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I always question someone’s experience when they say “never compliment a girl”… there is absolutely nothing wrong with giving a compliment as long as you don’t overdo it. Too many compliments and you will come off as needy and just saying stuff to impress her. It also depends on the girl obviously, a very hot girl who knows she’s hot and receives 100s of compliments from guys won’t take it as well as a shy girl. You need to be able to read the dynamic of the interaction and gauge their self wort…
/r/seduction03/01/22 12:15 PM
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A lot to unpack here but let me give it a shot. Your first mistake is comparing humans to ants, though there may be some vague similarities with the human social hierarchy. I'm not blackpilled so I don't believe it's impossible for men to improve and get into that top 10%, it's not all genetics. This subreddit is largely focused on sexual strategy and how people can improve themselves when it comes to dating. The tips being discussed here have worked for many. Believe it or not, sex is one of th…
/r/seduction02/01/22 11:55 PM
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GIrls just wanna blow of some steam after a hard day of social drama. I LOL'd. Must be real tough for them.
/r/TheRedPill02/01/22 10:38 PM
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Exactly, all I'm reading is bluepill/normie BS. Clearly OP hasn't even read the fundamentals.
/r/TheRedPill02/01/22 10:21 PM
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Classic response from a woman who has no idea how difficult the dating scene is for guys. Guess what, it is a competition for us because women only want to sleep with the top 10% of men. Trust me, we would LOVE for it to not be a competition and be able to freely pick and choose our partners like women can.
/r/seduction02/01/22 10:10 PM
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I agree with most of what you're saying. Feeling good when you approach will lead to better reactions and outcome independence is a must. I find that even when I get blown out during the first few sets of the night (which is usually the case), the adrenaline rush gets me in state. It's not so much the result of the set but the very act of approaching itself. A lot of coaches talk about this phenomenon. If you can do something once, you can do it again. There was one guy (I forgot his name) who s…
/r/seduction28/11/21 08:22 PM
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What I find unhelpful about all this inner game and state transference stuff (the girl feels whatever you feel) is that probably 90% of the guys on here depend on success with girls in order to feel good. You're suggesting that if they're in a bad mood or not in state, they shouldn't approach at all because they're going to get straight up rejected. That's not quite right. ​ Many coaches talk about how it's possible to start the night out of state, but as you do more approaches, you feel better …
/r/seduction28/11/21 07:48 PM
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