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That last part is exactly how I (33M) feel when women (even if they're outliers) admit they prefer younger guys. Makes me more insecure about keeping my looks as much as possible and still being unattractive/less attractive to women my age or even older ones
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/19 05:13 AM
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I was always the younger dude with older women (which scares me that it's slipping away as I'm going into my mid 30s and gradually getting less cute), and from conversations I've had with them, it's because they can remember older dudes creeping on them when they were teens. One crush of mine now (46 but seems way younger) pretty much lost years of her life to her grumpy old husband in his 70s. Obviously not all men, and it's not fair to lump everyone together, there's plenty of pairings where i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/19 12:47 AM
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Yeah his peak years were like 09-13 (for his looks and his career). He's got enough money for a hundred lifetimes but unless he reinvents himself he's probably never gonna be as popular. Maybe looking really good as a teenager is a curse because it's all downhill from there, whereas geeky teens who become jacked or otherwise better looking adults
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/19 07:50 PM
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Eh, different strokes dude. Guess I always had a mom kink but it's aged with me. When I was a kid it was 20s-early 40s women, now it's 45-65 or something
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/19 07:09 PM
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Oh yeah Meghan looks hella young, Kate probably just looks her age but obviously young compared to poor William lol. Why's he okay with that gross horseshoe when he's not even 40 yet, like come on bro!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/19 07:07 PM
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She looks way more natural than Madonna and Cher though, where it's obvious they've had deep work done
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/19 06:22 PM
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Yeah it does box you in to the point looking like an adult is like being past prime sadly. Biebs is the same way though he's more gangsta so he can pull it off lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/19 06:21 PM
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Maybe 50 but come on bro, you really think Stevie's not beautiful? Even if I hadn't been a Fleetwood Mac fan as a kid and liked her music, I'd still think so
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/19 05:02 PM
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They're the last boyband I could still relate to, but yeah I wonder how he'll look by 35. That's true British men seem to age really fast. I thought Prince William was hot when we were teens, but he looks 55 with his hair now while Kate looks beautiful like she could be his daughter lol, and I was surprised Phil Collins (one of my favorite 80s singers) was only in his 30s then he had a widow's peak and rougher face.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/19 05:00 PM
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A fucking men. "I wash with soap and water" is like the standard cis male response to skincare lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/19 02:01 AM
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True I think his short haircut gives him a more adultish look
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/19 01:56 AM
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Some do but probably just like late 20s to 35 maybe 40 at most, and like in shape ones with full heads of hair and not too wrinkled at least
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/19 01:55 AM
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Exactly why I work so hard on myself. I've said on here lots of times I feel like I got treated better (ie flirted with more) when I was 18-27. It hasn't gone down considerably but I do notice a difference because I can't pass for a teen anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/19 01:48 AM
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Is it because he's aged a little now or for other reasons? Just curious lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/19 12:08 AM
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True it's in the eye of the beholder, and of course being an ultra rich famous pop star puts him in another stratosphere over average dudes. I'd say he's at a point where women of any age could basically like him I'm beginning to wonder if slight wrinkles by themselves aren't so bad as long as you take care of your skin? Like it's the rough skin all around it that's the turnoff? Just curious because a friend described me that way, like how it's obvious I take care of my skin and it's glowing jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/19 12:07 AM
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Zayn is like the bad boy of the group (all boy bands have one lol). In a way he reminds me of 80s George Michael now
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/19 12:01 AM
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Oh yeah Zac hasn't aged much and looks amazing. He's 31 or 32 so it's pretty likely he'll keep looking like this at least into his 40s. Yeah HSM was oversaturated lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/19 12:00 AM
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I totally get the "offering something different" sets you apart from younger guys, but I can't help but think people get too militant about age stuff. I mean everyone is an individual, we don't suddenly become different people from being 29 and 364 days to our 30th birthday lol. (Or insert any age into that.) To that point, not every 25 year old guy fits the Millennial frat bro douche stereotype either. I do understand the "50 year old trying too hard and being a little cringey" trope too, but s…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/19 11:52 PM
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Thanks for the reply, that's awesome and I'd tend to agree "youthful older" while still being kinda cool and not like dad is the perfect middle ground. I always tended to crush on older women I think for similar reasons because they were more worldly than me but still fun. Perhaps its wishful thinking but I think 30s (well actually any age) is younger now than it used to be. When I was a kid (born 1985) it seemed like 35 year olds were straight up middle aged, except celebs and a few outliers.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/19 11:39 PM
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5 years is totally fine even 10 isn't bad (although some people are even militant about that). I guess it crosses into creepy when a guy is reasonably old enough to be the girl's dad (15-20 years).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/19 11:33 PM
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2019 Harry Styles seems like a positive example of slightly aging in the sense of losing some baby fat and looking more man than boy, but obviously not wrinkling or anything. Love he and Stevie Nicks friendship and how they speak so highly of each other, and I guess it's more socially acceptable than it would've been with 2012 1D Harry.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 07:15 PM
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28 is a grown ass woman so it's totally fine and not a huge difference for late 20s/late 30s. To me that's different from macking on teenage girls which is what's universally considered creepy
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 06:54 PM
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I usually hear that young women who like 30+ dudes like them because they're different from dudes her age. (Ie more mature and usually richer, not baby faced anymore.) Would you tend to agree with that? Just generally curious, how do you feel about 30s guys that still have a youthful vibe (but not in the bad ways such as acting like immature frat bros lol), I just mean still being into fashion/pop culture/music and perhaps behaving and looking younger (skincare is life), but also being responsib…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 06:48 PM
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I feel like the reason it's seriously looked down upon are the creeps who ruin it for decent guys. (Young guys can be creeps too, but it's more overt I think with dudes over 30 who bother girls at work in the service industry and stuff.) Anecdotal story for what it's worth (and everyone is different of course), but I think the perception of age matters just as much as age itself: I'm 33 and tend to prefer older women. I do want younger women to think I'm cool and not "old" but I'm generally not …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 05:22 PM
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You'll just be a cougar in 10-15 years that's cool
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 08:54 AM
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I feel like in the US, age differences are frowned upon more. I guess because older guys tend to be more outwardly creepy towards younger women, but it also means respectful older guys get lumped in and seen as potentially pervs until we prove we aren't. Idk I can truly understand both sides
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 08:53 AM
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It's a little worrying if he was looking to his boys for validation, but I hope he was serious about wanting to talk to you and being attracted to you. That's exactly how I was 10 years ago especially as a slightly shy geek.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 08:51 AM
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That's a good point. I've considered sending her a (polite and nice) message on FB just to clear it off my chest and ask her, but it's probably best to just leave it be. Yeah I'd say you could be right. My heart genuinely went out to her because I knew she was lonely and wanted a relationship, even just being her friend outside of work would've been nice. I'll bet she was like "wow I'm surprised this dude actually likes me" and grew distant? She crushed on the 1D guys so I guess I was worried sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 08:44 AM
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Can't argue with you there. I know I (just as the younger dudes do) complain on here but I'm not such a downer in real life thankfully lol. I'm learning to be more confident, guess in a way I appreciate small things more than Chad who takes it for granted might
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 08:37 AM
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Sounds good bro! I'd probably go for the moms of girls you're into lol. Seriously though, not sure if you're from CA but you'd be amazed how youthful that women over 35 look and seem here
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 08:34 AM
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Just me when I get emo being alone with my thoughts for too long and plus butthurt by a rare example from a few years ago
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 08:31 AM
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Good point lol, I've heard shorter dudes get shut down by girls a lot and never understood why.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 08:30 AM
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Fair enough, I'm generally a you do you boo kinda guy. Sometimes I just get all emo if I think too deeply
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 08:29 AM
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I know most of you guys aren't gonna likely believe me, but at least where I am (a big coastal city) that's how it is. Quite a few youthful looking men too, although a higher percentage of men still don't seem to age so well (50/50 I'd say?) Seriously though bro there's plenty of times I'll be thinking "damn I shouldn't be flirting with this girl she's probably under 25" then I'll see her ID (I have to check them at work) and see that she's born in 1983 or 1978 etc. Sure if I looked really hard …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 08:25 AM
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10 years ago I'm sure some used me as one, which I have mixed feelings of now. I wasn't confident or cool enough to pursue girls around my age and I valued anything I had with them, but it did help instill tremendous body image issues and fear of aging that I'm sure women often go through
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 04:55 PM
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It's all good I'm kind of a girl at heart lol. I agree with your post though. Unless it's a really exceptional situation, everyone should explore and find themselves in their earlier 20s without being tied to marriage. Even two young people the same age face struggles with it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 04:52 PM
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Yeah dude I think that's common for hookups like that. Considering that I don't want kids, I'd actually love a relationship with them
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 04:49 PM
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Maybe I'm getting butthurt over an outlier example, but I'm still scarred by this lady at work in her late 40s who openly admitted to liking much younger guys. She initially flirted with me and we clicked but when she found out my age (30 a few years ago) she backed off, but she flirted with and paid more attention to the early 20s guys at work. That is true though, despite only a 10 or so year difference, another lady I like who's married to a way older dude since she was a teenager (now 44), c…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 04:45 PM
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Ooh okay gotcha. Yeah I could see that, especially if they prefer sex with dominant guys. I'm honestly a little surprised how many women say they're submissive. Yeah mid to late 30s is probably the very final cut off for a lot of young women who want an older guy but not a full blown dad (like 40+)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 04:35 PM
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Yeah there's a lot of variation in people of course. I get the feeling the distaste for young guys is because of immature frat bros and stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 04:29 PM
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Oh wow I didn't know that, I'd have assumed they'd get a lot of "You go girl" even if their friends weren't necessarily into it themselves. Guys friends congratulate them on being with young women
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 04:27 PM
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True but I'd just feel weird even if I connected with one. I kinda don't want to be the more mature one either lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 04:24 PM
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Nice, I found they were generally more easygoing as well as sexually confident. Just make sure there's not a jealous ex husband in the picture at all lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 04:23 PM
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I meant I was the boytoy for older women back then. When I was 19 I had a 43 year old girlfriend briefly. Now I'm afraid that a 45-60 year old woman would ignore me for the new crop of hotter younger guys. I try really hard to keep my looks up with skincare, but I still have a couple fine lines and my skin's not quite as dewy and glowing as it was 10 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 09:32 AM
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Yeah I'm all for "you do you boo as long as you're not hurting anyone". Seriously I've met women in their late 50s that seem really vibrant and youthful
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 09:24 AM
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Older women are just bold too and I love it When I was around 22 this drunk lady straight up grabbed my dick while we were dancing at the bar lol. Doubt that would happen now
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 09:20 AM
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Nah dude I don't want to be a creep. Late 20s would be cool with me but not 21
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 09:17 AM
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Youth culture makes a huge impact on us even as we get older. A chick born in 1979 who was an 80s kid/90s teen and clubbing party girl in the 00s isn't gonna suddenly get all matronly in 2019 lol, just a more refined mature version of herself. A woman born in 1929 might've already felt too old for the hippie era and the Beatles during the '60s despite still being young, just because the world she grew up in was super conservative and old fashioned, so they couldn't adapt and keep up with cultura…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 09:14 AM
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I know it's just anecdotal examples but there's lots of 40-45 year old women I could've sworn were late 20s until I knew, and have a young vibe too. I'm a big fan of the original Unsolved Mysteries show from the late 80s-mid 90s and rewatching the episodes online recently, there's plenty of stories of women only in their 30s who seemed like mature middle-aged women (and guys seemed even older lol).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 09:07 AM
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I somewhat agree, but I think women who like younger guys tend to keep it on the down low. Even happily married women who deeply love their husbands probably still fantasize about the pool boy or frat bros even if they'd never act on it lol. Hmm, I think while 35 is still pretty young overall, it's way out of like a college girl's radar. They're bound to find him creepy even if he looks younger
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 09:00 AM
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True lol, but isn't that more for like 25 year old women that are starting to tire of frat bros and might want like a late 20s-early 30s guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 08:56 AM
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True, like less confident young guys could try their luck with older women if they get rejected by girls their age
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 08:53 AM
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I wish we could turn the dick off sometimes lol. It sucked ass when I was 12 and lived in a super busy house so I could barely get any privacy to beat it, then had to go to school with MILF teachers making it hard all day so I understand. Personally I just got used to it but I guess some guys just can't manage it. Now I have to have somebody like me to get hard
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 09:34 PM
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Good ass point I didn't think of. I guess most of us are creatures of habit whereas women will change it up more often
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 09:25 PM
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Yeah I bet if behavior and sex drives were equal, it would still be slightly easier for women because not as many dudes are attractive lol. People claim that a man sticking up for women or being feminist is "white knighting" but to me it's just common sense everyone should agree with. It's scary to think that women were literal property without voting rights as recently as 100 years ago:(
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 09:23 PM
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I mostly agree, but with the current economy it's more and more common to live with family or roommates especially in an expensive area. I'd hope that's not a deal breaker in San Francisco or something lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 09:18 PM
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Yeah I'll admit she's exceptionally youthful looking and possibly an outlier. I've seen pics of her as a kid/teen and even then looked a few years younger. But there's plenty of women in their 30s even early 40s who at least seem like they could be 25. When I see a white dude looking that young I'm like whoa that's amazing bro, because it's rarer in my experience
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 04:58 PM
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Enjoy your thoughts but totally disagree. True maybe its because we're wired to be thirsty more often, but I stand by most women having higher SMV and even RMV. You might be surprised dude, but my 37 year old friend seriously looks young (thin, no wrinkles whatsoever, glowing skin). In fact the last guy she was married to in his 40s (a few years ago when she was late 20s/early 30s), they got mistaken for father and daughter all the time. Another female friend (35) still goes out clubbing and han…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 04:46 PM
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I will say AOC seems more feminine, whereas Tulsi has a deep (for a woman) voice. She doesn't look post wall to me just more matured. I think she's taken on a more professional image (even on Joe Rogan) since she's running for president but there's pics of her surfing where she looks younger. Interesting about AOC, I watched this documentary about her and other progressive politicians, and her bf is a white hipster dude (who's really lucky) which gives me hope lol. Idk dude guess that makes us d…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 08:40 PM
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Upvoted because this hits me so deep in the feels it's not even funny! I understand bro, believe me. In my early 20s I lived on Taco Bell and donuts and still practically looked like a boy band teen idol. Now seeing my skin gradually start losing its glow and developing a few small lines at almost 34 despite my skincare routine, and occasionally having college girls call me sir just makes me want to KMS.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 06:33 PM
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That's exactly what I'm terrified of. You get treated differently (ie not as good) when you're not attractive. I don't want to turn into a rough rugged unapproachable looking "dad" that can't get away with doing youthful stuff anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 06:26 PM
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Is it her age or her accomplishments you see as a turnoff? To use a similar example but a little younger how about AOC? She's just inspirational, and 29 is still pretty young albeit a grown woman. If she were available and you guys hit it off would you date her
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 06:21 PM
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Bro you don't think Tulsi Gabbard (who's only 38) is attractive for her character and wisdom and accomplishments? She's even better than Bernie on foreign policy and pushing to end regime change wars. Very progressive but also a veteran, has lived a life. Just in looks too she's really hot/beautiful. She's obviously too young for me to think of her as a MILF, but I'm sure dudes in their early 20s do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 04:47 PM
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So fucking much bro. Congrats on finding an awesome girlfriend you click with and coming out of your shell and getting to experience the college life. I think people underestimate how much things like that matter to guys like us (even small things), because we didn't always have them. Except for one, I only dated and slept with older women in my 20s (almost 34 now) and I'll probably always feel a little sad/angry at my younger self for not being more outgoing since I didn't get the maximum exper…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/19 06:46 PM
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Sucks yeah, some of them literally buy politicians to look the other way. Stop and frisk in NYC usually gets used on minorities (and poor whites) but they never shook Wall Street bankers and Goldman Sachs guys down lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/19 11:37 PM
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Makes sense really, it means that's one thing you're automatically on the same wavelength about. I will admit some people really don't know how to budget and manage money lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/19 11:32 PM
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Lol kinda wish I could because I'm pretty gay in many respects
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 12:00 AM
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Poor people who commit crimes do so out of desperation (which we can help solve with UBI, Medicare for all and a better social safety net). Rich bankers and politicians destroyed the economy. Corporate welfare bothers me a lot more than someone buying 50$ of junk food on their EBT card
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 11:59 PM
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That's really reassuring, props to you. I think once we genuinely get to know the person inside, we can look past our previous judgements. Yeah everyone's different and there's good people in every category of course
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 11:51 PM
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That sounds like a pretty awesome life dude. Guess it's not money in itself as much as background and upbringing. Lots of them who grew up together are bound to be real cliquey
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 11:38 PM
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Oh yeah I've even had a few kinda scary experiences. Guess I always knew though it was just an individual person and didn't represent everyone in their situation. I'm actually from a rich suburban area but moved to a lower middle class area and went to a school with tougher kids when I was 8, so I guess things like that opened my eyes to what other kids lived like
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 11:35 PM
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Yeah it's sad when people get really afraid of what their social circle thinks. It's like middle school never ends for some of us. You're not trash though bro and no one is just because of their lifestyle or whatnot, sorry if anyone's made you feel that way
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 11:30 PM
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That superiority complex feels really shitty man (from either gender), they don't know the back story or the reasons why we might be there in the first place, and just assume we're not as smart/not as good or defective in some way. Glad you basically enjoy it and the people are cool though, even a so so job is fun if you like the people
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 11:26 PM
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That's bleak but I'd say you're right, even subconsciously. I just wish privileged people had more empathy for those of us who don't have as strong of a support system as they do
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 11:23 PM
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It's too bad that personal trainers have the reputation of kinda being douchebags, because it'd be the perfect career if you didn't get the chance to go to college, plus being in great shape
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 11:20 PM
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True, like on how dependably the trade pays? Lots of retail employees skew older now or people have it for a second job. It's not just 18 year olds like it probably was back in the 90s
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 11:18 PM
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Congrats on that, but yeah it hurts to hear that. In your shoes probably even moreso because you're not in it anymore, and can't help the situation you were born into. Just gotta do the best with the hand we're dealt, but there's definitely a disconnect among some privileged people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/19 06:32 PM
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I'll agree with that last part for sure. Can't be acting like (to use a retro example) Ace Ventura when he went undercover at that millionaire's party lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/19 06:28 PM
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That's my sense too. I imagine the exceptions are where they somehow just got to know them on a deeper level, so it might've overcame their initial bias (if they would've had one)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/19 06:27 PM
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Only thing I wouldn't have liked if I was older was the intolerance for LGBTQ (even most liberal people of that time probably disapproved of gay marriage). From what I recall as a kid, it seems like people were more easygoing and fun. I seem to remember more age difference relationships, though not usually where the woman was older. Idk were cougars common then? Like for a 45 year old woman of 1987 going for a cool Gen X dude in his early 20s?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/19 04:53 PM
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I had older girls from my high school catcalling me when I was 14 in 1999, it was awesome but my ass was too shy and awkward back then. I feel like 80s and 90s teen girls were just confident and didn't give a fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/19 04:38 PM
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Fast Times is the shit! I feel like the setting feels 80s with the mall and the soundtrack, but the vibe still feels more 70s (it was written in 1980-81 and just came out in '82). I'd imagine SoCal in the 70s had lots of laid back surfer dudes like Spicoli.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/19 04:34 PM
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I was only 4 when they ended, but judging by my teenage babysitters and 20s family friends, it seemed pretty awesome and laid back. I feel like the fun music reflected that (i.e. hair bands were all about partying). Could just be me looking through it with rose colored glasses, but I bet without social media or even the basic internet yet, since you were limited to people in your town or your own social circle, you were more prone to give people a chance if you even remotely clicked with them, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/19 04:28 PM
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Yeah I guess it does sorta scream insecurities when I'm halfway ashamed of things I like and grew up on. Ehh if it's a young guy I don't care so much but I do for younger women (under 25 or so)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 07:30 PM
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71 year old Stevie Nicks is one of the most vibrant beautiful women in the world, the wall doesn't exist for her! (Yeah I know she's a celeb but still.) And I agree with op too. Women in general put more effort into their looks. There might be some noticeable aging by 50 or so but I know women into their late 30s who still almost look like college girls, so I think this whole "hit the wall at 27" thing is total bullcrap or RP men are using extreme outliers
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/19 08:46 PM
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Keep your head up OP. Unfortunately some (ageist) people simply see a number and instantly impose assumptions and think less of you for it. That shit hurts bad no lie. I'll be 34 this year and can't accept being out of my 20s for that very reason. Good news is you seem like you're doing really well in life, and congrats on your schooling. Also I think women generally age better than men since most men don't use skincare lol. Besides there's really no difference between 31 and 29 besides a techni…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/19 12:58 AM
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Ehh, maybe approaching it but still seems too young. I always thought the stereotype was when a dude leaves his wife and buys a Ferrari, that's more like 45-60 in my book. Shit 37 better be young cause I'm turning 34 this year. If it's middle-aged that means I basically am too:(
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 12:32 AM
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I'm sure Tony and guys like him have serious and more mature sides to themselves too, but I see what you're saying actually. When you need emotional support or you're in a serious situation or even just had a bad day and need to vent, you'll want someone to depend on. I'd never think being the goofy big kid all the time is good, but it just scares me to see still relatively young men only like 37 that act so middle-aged sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 12:18 AM
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I mean he's got a few nuggets of truth, Jones also was against corrupt cops, but 95% of the time he's on some rant about gay frogs or chemtrails or Sandy Hook being a hoax by Obama to take people's guns away lol. The guy seriously seems mentally unstable
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 12:14 AM
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Makes sense. Just curious, how much older did you go for? I do think every generation tends to seem younger, but maybe the guys you dated were just more conservative/old fashioned? Did you guys have enough common interests even if you were kinda on different wavelengths? I mostly dated older women who could be my mom, so maybe I never got the partying and wanting to be young out of my system
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 12:11 AM
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Yeah there's something to be said about being able to relate to stages of life or even pop culture and slang, so there can be a weird disconnect when you don't see eye to eye.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 12:05 AM
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That's awesome, and congrats on it working out good. He's probably the best of both- youthful but not immature. Speaking of gender roles, it's astounding the difference between just the mid 2000s to the early 2010s. I wish guys being softer and more feminine had been more acceptable when i was in my prime, but as a liberal feminist I'm just glad it is now.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 12:00 AM
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You're probably right lol. I'm just basing it on the "old guys are gross/old guys are lame" perspective I've seen from both younger and older women around here
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/19 11:56 PM
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Yeah lol that's generally what I've heard. Guess it's a trade off, though there's always outliers in both directions. I'll be 34 this Summer, would you consider that like "becoming older" maybe?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/19 11:54 PM
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Yeah it's just a feeling of being past prime, even if gradually. People treat you slightly different, you don't quite turn heads as often, older ladies sometimes treat you like an adult like them (ie calling you sir instead of hon or sweetie). When that happens, certain things you're so used to doing or behaving like, you have to suddenly change and reevaluate yourself and realize you can't do that anymore. That's a hard pill to swallow especially if you have arrested development and feel younge…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/19 12:20 AM
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Exactly agree. He's somewhat feminist but calls out double standards. I'm sure he's a great husband and dad from what he's shared on the show
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 11:32 PM
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Diaz is a riot and surprisingly serious in his own way too
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 09:33 PM
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I think he just has some shitty right wing friends like Alex Jones. But even a leftie he disagrees with, he's the type to hear them out and maybe at least expand on a small point of agreement
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 09:32 PM
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Whoa I hadn't logged in for a couple days, pleasantly surprised how this took off. Thanks guys!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 09:29 PM
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That's cool, yeah and everybody's different too. I guess most people have more stories and can get better at communicating. I just have a hard time accepting that I'm pretty much part of "the older generations" now (33 turning 34 this year)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/19 08:51 PM
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Yeah the double standard either way is bullcrap. Like I said as long as you're not hurting anyone and you're a decent person who gives a fuck how you act or what you like?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 11:22 PM
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Good advice, nothing I can disagree with there. Simply speaking for myself on the dating issue, I like older women (unfortunately the clock's probably run out on that or it's damn close) and I agree big age gaps put the odds against you more. It's not insurmountable just takes more effort
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 03:06 PM
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I like that much more than shaming. Basically just being logical and more responsible with yourself, not necessarily becoming the stereotypical PTA dad, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 10:44 AM
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Yeah I've been through/am going through some shit in my life (that has nothing do with any of this), it's just feeling like getting something ripped away from me that I've had for so long (i.e. my youth or at least the appearance of it) exacerbates it where now I've got no security blanket. I even get mad when it happens to my peers too because it feels personal. I'm ready to fight if someone disses Gen Xers or lumps them in with Baby Boomers!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 10:42 AM
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Legit question, is it because we think it's predatorial when men act younger? Sure, people shame older women for acting young too (remember the Family Guy episode where Lois does that), but not in the same way. It's as if there's a collective understanding that women miss their youth and feeling sexy, so even if people disapprove they at least are sympathetic... but when we feel that way, it's this cold hard "Ah just man up, grow up!" attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 10:36 AM
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SJWs make the entire left wing look bad, thankfully most of us aren't like that. Most early 20s people I meet in real life aren't that way either, it's just a loud vocal minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 10:31 AM
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Agreed. Do you think that shaming is because they want it all to themselves, or they think we're all supposed to turn into grandpas after 30? I've seen both men and women (both older and younger) do this kind of shaming, so I don't think it's specific to one group. Being youthful doesn't mean being irresponsible either, I hate that correlation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 10:30 AM
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Wow that's a really good response and way of putting it, hadn't thought about that before. Basically just don't get bent out of shape over little things. Sorry to hear your friendship broke off though man, that's always rough.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 10:24 AM
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True, I mean it takes balls so why not? Let the haters hate
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 10:22 AM
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Yeah, the only thing they preach that I agree with is working out/self improvement, but even that gets packaged in a douchey selfish way most of the time. They mostly seem right wing and sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 10:20 AM
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Nah, I'm good dawg. Who would say this stuff if it wasn't me?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 01:24 AM
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I take it as far as I can without looking ridiculous. I don't want people ridiculing me (I don't have the balls to pull it off anyway). 34 isn't that far out of my 20s anyway. But when I'm 50 I hope I'm cool like Green Day are now
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 01:09 AM
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In an expensive place like the SF Bay Area or NYC, I totally wouldn't judge multi generational homes. People do that in Hawaii too. Kinda like the original Full House! And unless he's going way overboard, if I saw a 46 year old guy doing that I'd think "hey that dude's pretty cool, he's a big kid at heart and his soul hasn't died to adulthood". As long as he's a good citizen and doesn't hurt anyone and contributes to society, why do we have these rigid rules?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 01:05 AM
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33-34 no way dude. I hope early 20s still view me as a big brother kinda dude, not an uncle/dad since I'm not a full generation off. Honestly too, I try and not talk about stuff I liked as a kid for fear of that. If I do mention some 80s-early 90s shit I like, I'll throw in the "My mom got me into it" so I don't sound as old.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 01:03 AM
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That makes way more sense, just not be a fuckup and have SOME disposable income for fun nights out and stuff? There's always exceptions like people who worked straight out of HS then return to college years later too. Oh I'm the hugest vintage MTV and VH1 fan. It's just that whole "not playing videos" complaint has been commonplace for years and I worry that today's early 20s girls would find it lame and associate it with her parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 12:37 AM
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I'm usually almost 100% feminist but I'm on the guys side on this one. Maybe it's because if I ever God forbid go grey or bald I sure AF am not going to just accept it. Anything you can do to make yourself look or feel better, go for it. Granted there's always going overboard like Walter Matthau in the 90s having thick black hair in his 70s (like in Dennis the Menace) but as long as it looks decent, hey props to those guys!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 10:12 PM
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Ooh, good point man. I think it's especially true for UMC women. While everyone is different, I was surprised at my last job how many chill 20 year old girls and cliquey 50 year olds there were
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 04:26 PM
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I mean like I said I'd feel over the moon for that (doesn't happen often lol, let's keep it real that would be a huge confidence boost), but I'd absolutely want a relationship or at the bare minimum to be friends too.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 01:14 AM
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I guess most people can tell a poser from the genuine thing. I've had some travel and world experience but mostly from when I was a kid/teen. Even if I got rich, guess I'd be a dorky rich dude who couldn't attract most 50 year old women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 01:13 AM
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Did you see him on Joe Rogan and Jimmy Dore's shows? Even though he still has a healthy dose of capitalism that I don't agree with (ie sunset clauses), we really need his voice on the debate stage to make the concept of UBI accessible to more people. If we just cut the freaking bloated us military budget in half we could more than make up the money it'll cost to fund UBI. As far as how it'll affect dating, if anything it'll be a net positive because more free time. Its hard to be in the mood to …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 09:24 PM
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Considering I'm a guy wired more (stereotypically) emotionally female, I'd be initially complimented but mostly it'd just hurt my self confidence if they didn't think I was worth a relationship. It actually sorta happened with some older ladies when I was early 20s. I begged to at least be friends with one afterwards too but she wasn't interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 09:02 PM
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Oh shit, sorry I misread that first time! I think getting through tragedies or just hard times in general can bring you even closer.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 03:14 PM
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That checks out. I may not always agree but you do have good insight about this stuff. A couple of them didn't want to even be friends with me back then (literally just a hookup) which hurt my self esteem a bit. That's true bro I've already got gay tendencies too
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 03:11 PM
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You got me there dude, I can pussy out a lot! Later 20s is fine but early 20s I'd just be afraid they'd think I'm lame and old. (I mean even in casual conversation, forget trying to ask them to hang out or date.) I try and avoid college age girls socially if I'm by myself, I'll go eat lunch outside or in the car if some new girl at work comes into the break room lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 09:39 PM
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There's a few currently single, maybe I'll get the balls to ask. It helps if they already sorta know me so I'm not a total stranger. This one lady around my age (a little older, 38) I had an amazing conversation with and I probably kinda flirted with her too but I don't wanna blow it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 09:32 PM
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Oh yeah that must've been (especially considering the age gap) a really special connection you had with her, even if it didn't work out long term. I definitely agree people of different backgrounds or generations can click, it's not black and white. Guess I'm just not comfortable with stepping into the older role myself lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 09:27 PM
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Thankfully no crows feet or baldness whatsoever lol. Just some teeny nasolabial folds (which even that I'm trying to erase). I've heard even late 20s is kinda too old for cougars, and that's the youngest I could reasonably pass for. One of my best buddies is 28 and he says he gets called sir and doesn't get flirted with as much now. And he only looks mid 20s, and if so it's all over for me I guess. Could at least a 60 year old lady be a cougar to me?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 03:49 AM
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Can I do both at least? lol. Ehh, maybe I should just be glad I got in some boytoy days but it's hard to let that go. If I seriously look for a relationship, guess I should just stick to fellow late Xers/early Millennial women in their 30s close to my age. Too much younger and I risk being the uncle/dad figure, too much older and I risk being a "younger but still adult and not cute" to her, and that'd hurt bad too.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 03:44 AM
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True lol. I guess I just worry they'd look to the 18-23 year old guys if they wanted a trophy boyfriend now instead of me. Maybe I'm panicked over nothing, although I don't get carded as much now, and nobody even guesses me to be younger than like 27.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 03:40 AM
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Yeah a good balance is best. I find a lot of the youngish ones take it to the extreme and it looks bad. Even a "boring" guy is better especially if it means having a stable father figure and provider. I wouldn't mind one day being a stepdad but only if the kids were completely comfortable with me (I've been on the other end of that as a kid, which was a horrible experience.)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 03:06 AM
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Thanks, yeah work is always dicey and you have to get seriously lucky in most cases. I have actually a lot of older friends, but I wouldn't flirt or make any move on the women (even single ones) just out of respect and it'd make friendships awkward. OL/D is probably my best shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 03:04 AM
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I mean I'm not incapable of being adult and responsible when it's serious and times call for it, I'm just scared and inexperienced and tend to look for an "adultier adult". (Not having a good dad or male role model might've had something to do with this?) I understand being timid in general is a romantic/sexual turnoff to most women of any age, but when I see teeny fine lines coming in it just hits home that "hey man, that's not gonna be cute and forgivable anymore!" (sure my skincare routine mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 03:02 AM
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Okay that made me laugh a little
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 02:57 AM
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Weed's more my thing, but nah I'm not baked now
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 02:56 AM
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Yeah, can't argue with that lol. Even compared to the trope about Millennial men not growing up, I'm even beyond that. Some of it is my own fault for not socializing more and taking more chances as a kid/teenager but it is what it is. I can't slide into the "distinguished uncle/dad" type when I still feel 19.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 02:51 AM
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I guess we're all hard on ourselves! I'm sure I'd be a good one in terms of emotional support, and I'm pretty good with managing money etc even during times I was broke and struggling. It's just I'm a bit lagging on accomplishments and life experience for my age, so I'd worry any woman (whether she was 25 or 55) would think "This dude's just not cutting it, I need a real man" lol. I might be coming into some money this year, and guess it's hard not to reflect back and hope I can find love before…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 02:49 AM
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Self improvement is great, and I've danced in clubs and stuff with younger girls but that's as much as I'd feel comfortable with, and even that's pushing it. I mean I wouldn't want to reject anyone if we had a genuine connection, I'd just be hella insecure. I'm okay with being in the "slightly older" (ie big brother) camp, just not the dad/uncle camp a full generation away. I still need some guidance from a dad (I had a shitty unempathic one), can't be one myself, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 02:42 AM
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I'm not trying to attack you but you expect a freshly turned 30 year old guy (now born in 1989) to have deep wrinkles? Only if he's a crackhead or just totally abused his skin and never wore sunscreen (which is common sense now). I half agree that 30+ year old dudes (no matter how young they look) is kinda creepy going to college parties or dating/hitting on 19 year old girls, but when you're 30 you'll understand it's still pretty young. You shouldn't expect a 30/35 year old guy to act like some…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 02:36 AM
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I'm in a big city so there's bound to be plenty of cougar bars. I almost always have an instant connection with them over my love of 80s music (especially arena rock and stuff). Every person is unique too, I just know I'm more uninhibited and less scared around 50 year old women than 20 year old women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 11:39 PM
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Awesome, that gives me some hope! Just curious, did/do these 30s dudes look and act their age? I'm mature in some ways and can be an adult when it's serious and necessary, but truthfully I still need some guidance and mentoring myself, which can probably come off needy and a turnoff.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 11:37 PM
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Eh, worth a shot. Super grannies are a little too old for me though!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 11:35 PM
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I assume though most younger guys go for older women mainly for sex (which was fucking bomb, not gonna lie), not for LTRs. Even then I just clicked with them on a personal level better, and I liked that they were motherly/mentoring in a way. Now though, I'm aging out of that (if not completely aged out) and it's hard to accept. I don't want to be the "mature older guy" for an early 20s chick lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 11:33 PM
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I'm not a huge drinker bro, but I'd actually be down for that. I'm too much of a city boy anyway!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 11:31 PM
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Leo looked amazing at least up to Gangs of New York (02) maybe up to 2005 at most. It's like right when he hit 30 he went downhill fast. I've always been neotenous, that's why I'm so scared of aging. Obviously I don't want to look like an uncle/dad but even if I wanted to, I couldn't even pull that off so good. I feel like at 33-34 I'm already slowly sliding down the wall to older women who would've found me cute/hot a few years ago
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 10:19 PM
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Leo was hot and pretty much kept his Titanic looks until about 2005. Then it caught up to him pretty fast. I don't care how famous or loaded the dude is, how can he be okay with looking like an uncle or dad type. It's like you can afford the best facelift in the world bro lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 09:57 PM
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Oh there's 50 year old handsome guys sometimes (being black or Asian helps lol), but I'm not comfortable having that rugged look. I still feel 20 so I want that to reflect on the outside too. Maybe others experience are different but I noticed a lot of the random smiles from women declined after I was like 28
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 11:18 PM
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I think slightly younger is fine and most people won't give a shit about 5 years, even 10 isn't too bad. It's when guys are old enough to be some college girl's dad, that's when it's creepy for damn good reason. (To each their own and you're allowed to do it, but expect to dodge a lot of roasting and disapproval if you're 40 going after a 21 year old)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 06:44 PM
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I feel you bro. Aging hurts us too, just the subtle differences in how people treat you socially. People think I'm exaggerating or getting butthurt, but I (33 now) got more flirty attention and was cuter 10 years ago. It's not a coincidence when it's a pattern among tons of people lol. All the skincare and exercise in the world won't stop us from gradually losing our boyish glow and looking like uncles/dads. Even being Millennials won't stop nature kicking our asses. Makes me want to cry but the…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 06:40 PM
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I'm a big fan of hair metal glam bands like Crue, part of the music of my late 80s/early 90s childhood. Yeah that juxtaposition is an interesting thing I've thought about before too. On one hand they were as badass as you could be, fucked everyone, and were even misogynistic, but on the other hand, went against every stereotype of masculinity in terms of how they dressed and looked. Back then the older generations were complaining about that too lol. Oh and they were hot AF back then and into th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 04:29 PM
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That hurts because I'll always remember them as edgy fun cool 20s ppl in the 90s (when I was a kid) before some grew up and got boring and lost their good looks and now just act like Boomers. They're not ALL uptight and conservative. Granted I'm from the Bay Area where people stay youthful but still, hearing that scares me cause I know I'm next! Being Millennial might protect me a little longer but I'm sure 80s babies will be lame to young adults in 2030.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 03:05 PM
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I'm an old Millennial and mostly attracted to baby boomer women, but I'm a weird outlier dude with Mommy issues lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 01:28 AM
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Boomers who are out of touch with tech or talk down to Millennials are annoying. Or like the elitist ones who vote for Hillary over Bernie. But they're not all like that either, in the Bay Area there's plenty of cool pothead and rocker ones too lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 01:26 AM
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Millennials are about 1981-96 and Z is 97 and up
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 01:21 AM
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As an old Millennial (85) who has a good memory and was raised on so much Gen X stuff, that's.... really tough to hear.:( Hopefully they're at least old Xers like born in 1965 not the younger ones born in the 70s. They're like big brothers/sisters to me. In my experience most Xers are closer to Millennials than they are to Boomers. Maybe it's just grumpy conservative ones that work with you lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 01:20 AM
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I think 1982 is the first Millennial year but you're generally right, the oldest are like 37 so I'm not sure why the media acts like we're so young. But being that I'm scared of aging, I'll take it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 01:16 AM
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I'm an old Millennial and I love baby boomer and upper gen x women. I'm an outlier yes, but it's worth pointing out! Btw here's the general breakdown of ranges: Boomers 1946-64 X 1965-1980 Millennial 1981-97 Z 1998-circa 2015
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 01:11 AM
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We have extended adolescence (probably every generation since the 1960s hippies) but it sucks how biology hasn't caught up. So when we reach 30, we're not emotionally prepared for life as a middle-aged person and try really hard not to look it or be perceived as one. Or at least I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 12:02 AM
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I know this was days ago but I'm the same way bro if it's any consolation. Older women are amazing, I think I feel more comfortable talking with them and not worrying about being cool. They seem to want to engage in conversation more, whereas more young women are cliquey. I'm also inexperienced/young for my age and have some arrested development so I love when they're like mentors to me in a way. Granted there's always exceptions, I've met bitchy 50 yo's who gave me the cold shoulder and 22 yo's…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 11:52 PM
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Mentally speaking yeah, and of course there's times when you need to be. I'm just scared of fun 22 year olds seeing me that way simply because I'm starting to appear older than them
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/19 05:11 PM
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It's all good lol, yeah I wonder why some of the manosphere feels that way. Even if they know a say 31 year old woman starting to age or who doesn't like going out having fun, doesn't mean they all are like that
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/19 05:09 PM
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Not in the Bay Area dude lol. Women (and some men) into their 40s often look and act young. Especially compared to how most people our parents age were like back in the day
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 11:01 PM
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I'll agree that if there's an organic connection in person, lots of times people just click who might not have if it was a dating site or something. It's happened to me too and I'm a geek lol. It helps to be extroverted which I can be way easier now than when I was younger. Though in the back of my mind I'm always terrified "are my fine lines showing? Do I look 30?" Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 10:56 PM
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I mean nothing wrong with it, I'm all for "you do you boo" but I'd persinally feel so weird with more than a 10 year difference or so. Even if I click with a very young woman I try to keep it super casual but generally avoid them since I don't look their age anymore. (I don't think I look any younger than 27 and even that's pushing it.) Sure I like to help people and all but I'm still learning shit myself I'm not ready to be looked at like the "adult in the room" lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 10:52 PM
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Yeah but it's like I was never that cool to begin with and even less now that I'm approaching middle-age. Guess it helped that I like the old days a lot. Honestly I try to avoid very young women (ie if I go into the break room at work and nobody else is around, I'll go outside or to the car to eat lol) or if it's just someone I kinda click with I'm always walking on eggshells not to bring up too much from the past or make myself sound uncool in any other way. Then I'm always scared she'll be one…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 10:39 PM
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Yeah but isn't it just slightly older? (Like 5 years or so) not where they could be their dad lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 09:10 PM
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Anecdotal, but a couple years ago this 19 year old girl at work hella flirted with me and talked to me nonstop. Then when I said I was 31 she avoided me like the plague. I don't even like younger girls but just in principle it hurt and kinda shocked me, but it definitely was a lightbulb "I'm past my prime" moment lol. Up til that point I still basically felt like early 20s. Granted that's one girl and not everyone but more girls probably are like her and no one can blame them for it
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 06:46 PM
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20 year old girls might be cool and youthful but wouldn't the generation and age gap just make you feel awkward? I felt guilty for crushing on this girl I found out was 23 (idk I thought late 20s) and that was only a 10 year difference
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 05:53 PM
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Thanks for backing me up bro. Yeah I'm in a big city in CA so that might sway me a bit, but people are generally way more fit and youthful here. Shit my 48 year old friend is a dance teacher and have crushed on her since I was a teen. Even in the deep red states though there's probably youthful women over 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 05:50 PM
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Come on bro, most guys my age and older aren't going for younger women for fertility, they want to get laid lol. And I've met or am friends with tons of mid 30s-mid 40s women who barely seem any different than college girls (just that they grew up more in the 80s lol). Just yesterday at one of my jobs checking IDs this chick (who seemed hella cool) was born in 1979 and I thought she was a 90s born Millennial
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 05:46 PM
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Come on bro, guys my age and older aren't (usually) trying to be with young women for fertility. They want to get laid lol. And at one of my jobs yesterday while checking IDs, this chick (who seemed hella cool) was born in 1979 and I thought she was a 90s born Millennial. I have friends in their mid 30s-early 40s who could pass for it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 05:41 PM
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27 is still young enough though to not be a "dad/middle-aged" type guy though. Sure it's kinda old compared to like a 19 year old girl, but they would still be trendy and fun and have smooth skin (maybe tiny fine lines at the most).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 05:27 PM
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True you're more likely to be rich at 35 than 25, but with tinder, women can be as picky as they want without being shamed for it. Maybe I'm biased myself but this lady in her 40s I really liked a few years ago and who liked younger guys, paid more attention to 21 year old guys than to me in my early 30s
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 05:22 PM
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I read the title and got excited about a mommy makeover (I love older women), then I realized it meant giving your (likely same age) wife a makeover after the baby comes. I'll see myself out now lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 01:51 AM
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It's 2019 most young women prefer fun people their age they can connect best with. Exceptions exist yes, but many women on Reddit agree young men (early 20s) are hotter than 30+
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 01:48 AM
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Anything a 35 or 40 year old guy has, a 20-25 year old guy has and has better though. Looks obviously are better with absolutely no wrinkles and usually more fit, but even if you might have to look a little harder to find a rich or successful or mature guy, they exist with 20s dudes too. I get the feeling when you see pairings like the 23 year old girl with a 38 year old guy, its likely because -they met in person and just happened to have a connection -she's more introverted or an old soul not …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 01:45 AM
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Yeah I feel like the people who keep hitting those talking points ("women want power and money, men not boys" etc) are really basing it on the past generations and seeing it with their own families without realizing social norms have changed. Sure your 30 year old grandpa might've settled down with a 19 year old girl in the 1950s, but doesn't mean it's common or even socially acceptable now. Online dating like Tinder really helped change norms, and women can be as picky as they want too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 01:37 AM
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Why does the manosphere think 35 year old women are nagging old hags who hit the wall and are no fun? I can tell you most women in their 30s and even 40s are hella youthful and many still look young too, and there's no awkward generation gap like there would likely be with a 21 year old girl born in 1998.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 01:31 AM
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Older women have rocked my world since I was a kid (I mean a literal child kid, when I was 7 I had crushes on 30 and 40 year olds) but I admit I'm an outlier. I'd love to have an LTR with one now but I'm kinda arrested development/behind where I should be economically and socially so I probably am not good enough for one, and at 34 this year, too old to be a sugar baby/boytoy anymore. Taking the long indirect way to say they do. I had an awesome mid 40s gf when I was 19. And I think the 20s girl…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 01:21 AM
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OP, do you mean like men getting to look like unthreatening/cute teen idols for longer? If so that's awesome!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 12:44 AM
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My thoughts exactly. People forget how long social media has been around now. Today's 30 year olds were only like 17 when it started blowing up circa 2006, and even 40 year olds were still young (around 27). It's mainstream and not just "for the kids" now lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 09:56 PM
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Far from being the most important part of this story, but I feel like age gaps between Millennials (1988 to 90s) and Gen X (born before 1980) translate to icky more than those ages among the same generation. 81-87 is kinda transitional lol, but I feel like women born 1988-89 and up seem way more teenish, so it seems creepier for middle-aged dudes to be interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 08:11 PM
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Oh I say them sometimes (people even older do too). I mean though whenever there's a twitter hashtag someone will use those to mock Millennials, but I have a feeling they're talking about like 20 year olds, not 30-35 lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 12:04 AM
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Yeah personal situations influence it more than just raw numbers. I think growing up in a big city, with a more liberal/cool family that let you get away with more shit, and like you said big siblings can all make people seem older or grow up quicker. My friend born 1990 is kind of Gen Xish since he was from a rural Napoleon Dynamite area lol. Oh yeah mid 20s girls/late 30s dudes seems fine even if some girls are critical of it. I feel like in person, if there's already a connection too, people …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 01:18 AM
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(kinda late getting back to all the replies) I totally get you on feeling young for your age (obviously I don't either lol), but would you date say a 19 year old guy before a 29 yo guy if he's hotter and maybe just more fun? Overall I do think women age better and even seem younger than men (particularly white people) but do you think we 80s babies seem old bc of really growing up in the 90s and not having social media in school etc
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 01:03 AM
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Good point, some differences make it interesting (I guess as long as you compliment each other)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 12:56 AM
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Outliers (like myself) are so weird in situations like this. My favorite music is from the 70s 80s especially around the time I was born in 85. I frigging love glam metal, Lionel Richie, Huey Lewis etc so sounds like I'd get along with your guy lol. Glad it's working out though. On a serious note, I feel like sex drives a lot of relationships with younger guys. I almost wonder if that's what the older (than me) women liked most, even though I always wanted deeper relationships lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 12:54 AM
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Damn bro, not knowing Eminem would shock me even for a sheltered Southern teen! Em might not be on top like he was in like 2003 but still a huge star
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 12:45 AM
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That's awesome, I love older (than me) women so I think hearing a success story is great. Your gf sounds youthful and fun too. I'd imagine even a 25 yo in the rural south could seem more old than a 40 yo big city liberal too lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 11:01 PM
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Excellent points. Liking older things from before you were born is far more common now (granted not everyone does lol but more do) so it's not an automatic disqualifier or anything. Yeah the different life stages thing seems to matter more. Probably less significant if the younger person is at least 25/ post college in the working world. It's weird how there could be like next to no difference with old people. An 80 yo and a 100 yo could both be in a nursing home together and you might hardly no…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 10:59 PM
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Generally yeah all the studies have it starting between 81-84, but I feel like having social media in high school makes you a true Millennial. That started in 2005-06 so about 88-89
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 12:35 AM
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Yeah it always existed just didn't have an officially coined name lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 12:32 AM
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Overall I think gens change faster now because of technology and pop culture. You really can't lump 15-20 years together and say they all had the same general experience, but someone 2 years outside of it was way different lol. Even baby boomers, the one totally agreed upon (1946-64) is pretty different at the ends. Someone born in 64 might have vague memories of The Beatles but wtf do they have in common with hippies smoking weed and fucking at Woodstock and protesting Vietnam when they were 5?…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 12:31 AM
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This dude macking on teenage girls is major creepy, as is saying he doesn't even like women older than 28, then again I'm happy my age can still be young and that this girl doesn't see him as a "dad". Idk I'm so conflicted
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 12:26 AM
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Yeah 88-89 seems better because that's the first to have social media in high school (2006). Don't know why that seems huge but it does. I've had people a mere 4 years younger than me make me feel old
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 11:25 PM
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Anecdotal but I'm from Silicon Valley where internet was probably way more common than the rest of America (save for really wealthy families) in the 90s, so I bet the 81-85 babies I knew are more Millennial-ish in a way too
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 11:22 PM
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I'm torn. I know the different studies all put the cutoff for X around 1979-81 (one puts it at 84), and there's definitely some Millennial vibe with early/mid 80s babies, particularly with the adult aspects like student loan debt and being the first to really adapt to the digital age... BUT whenever they mention Millennials in the media they seem to be talking about mid to late 90s babies at the end. Like using slang like lit fam and squad. That sure isn't someone born in 84 lol. PS my memories …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 11:19 PM
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Very true too, like things that were acceptable in one time can be totally inappropriate the next generation. That's honestly what #metoo is about, and sometimes guys get butthurt they can't just harass a waitress or their secretary like they maybe did in the 70s
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 11:11 PM
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Black and Asian men do much more, and gay/bi guys too who focus on skincare. Women overall age better and look younger imo because of taking care of their skin and using sunscreen. Straight cis white men though? Unless they have freakishly good genes, totally agree
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 05:00 PM
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Actually it's not the heat that damages your skin (it's just uncomfortable lol), it's the UV rays, even when it's cold or cloudy or in Winter
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 12:40 AM
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Oh I think lots of men even masculine men do it, but there's also still quite a few who see it as a sissy or feminine thing to do, and I'm always thinking "hey it benefits you too!"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 12:38 AM
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Yeah I'm actually old enough even to remember when the WWII generation were the "regular old people" back in the 90s and except for a few of the cooler, youthful at heart ones, they ALL seemed to think like that lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 12:37 AM
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I can't argue with that. I am pretty damn effeminate and my own hardest critic lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 09:18 PM
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Black guys are just cooler period
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 09:17 PM
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I think a few gray or white streaks can look cool on a young face tbh, guess it makes it look more alternative? It's probably way more common than we realize, it's just that so many people dye it so we don't know?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 07:44 PM
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This guy at work and I do have a little bit of a bromance lol, and I admit some of my behaviors are pretty gay I just don't want dick is all
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 07:40 PM
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What I've heard about oily skin (which I have) is that, while it has more natural moisturizer and ages/wrinkles slower than dry skin, when it DOES wrinkle, it wrinkles like a motherfucker lol which has me worried. Eh I think it's mostly genes and lifestyle factors, both genders can age well or age like shit depending on the person. I know and have seen white women in their late 20s, 30s and sometimes even early 40s who look like college age. With white men not as much
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 07:38 PM
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Awesome! I mean past a certain point they're inevitable (like 45 or 50) but like why not hold it off as much as possible lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 01:47 AM
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I can't disagree with that. Whenever I listen to Joe Rogan talk about health and eating I immediately feel guilty for slacking on working out. Smoking is lame and toxic too, but I think all those things together is best
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 01:45 AM
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Exactly man, it's not miracle cures but it does slow down aging by keeping the skin hydrated and healthy. At 22 it might not look like it makes any difference since the people who aren't taking care of it, the damage hasn't accumulated yet, but by 40 you'll know who has or hasn't
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 01:42 AM
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True that internal health matters too. Smoking and alcohol makes us look like shit, and junk food will clog our arteries
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 01:39 AM
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That's actually an interesting point, since the salt and pepper thing seems kinda well liked, although not every guy can pull it off. I'll be 34 this year and so far no gray streaks but it's possible too. Steve Martin had hella white hair since he was like 25 lol like an old man with a young face, but it worked for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 01:35 AM
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I'd say so too, or perhaps trying to make themselves feel better about why they don't?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 01:20 AM
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Yeah man it's just (looks aside) nice to have it feeling cleaned out! Retin A is the shit too
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 01:19 AM
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Good response, I agree a lot of these things are just social constructs and conditioning, but even when attitudes change there's always a holdover for awhile. I mean the civil rights act was signed in 1964 but I'm sure there was still a lot of open racism into the 70s (shit there is now unfortunately) since it was still so recent for the older generations. Think like the Archie Bunker types Overall you make good points but I slightly disagree that women don't want young smooth skin. Even women w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 01:17 AM
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They're not miracle cures but they feel amazing and can at least hold off the affects of not just aging but dry skin and UV sun damage
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 12:11 AM
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Oh I know lots do and I'm not calling all my fellow bros out or anything lol, but there does still seem to be a stereotype (or remnants of one) that skincare is only for girls
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 12:08 AM
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Some definitely do. You're right not all, but these days I'd imagine more do than you realize. A guy can still be masculine while caring for his skin. Hell that's what a lumbersexual is!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 12:06 AM
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That's the spirit brother! Your uncle probably was just conditioned with the standard gender roles
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 12:03 AM
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Yeah you can still look masculine and badass while being youthful of course. I admit I do face masks lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 12:02 AM
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True man, it doesn't personally affect me but I'm just curious with all the information we have out there today. Guess I also get kinda offended when I see someone close to my age who looks/acts middle-aged since it makes my generation (80s 90s early 2000s) seem uncool.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 12:00 AM
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Only some of the old Millennials would have any wrinkles now though (81-86 or so), and it's easy for 90s babies in their 20s to be dismissive or act like fine lines are no big deal when it's NOT HAPPENING to them yet! In 2030 when the younger Millennials are like 35 and approaching "mom and dad age to today's youth" status, they'll feel the same way
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 05:54 PM
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For better or worse we live in a youth obsessed society. I don't want to look my age and sure AF not older than it lol. We tend to get treated better when we look young - ie more flirting and positive attention, even perhaps your mistakes or being undetadvanced for your age being forgiven easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 05:39 PM
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Or worse, men who talk shit about men that do take care of our skin. Hell if calling me a soyboy is the best you've got, that's a compliment lol. I'm always wondering why is it supposedly manly to have your face look like a leather boot? Granted I'm pretty neurotic about it I admit (arrested development, and I want to look like I feel), and I know at 33 I'm still not as cute as I was at 23 (and never will be again), but sunscreen and moisturizing/exfoliating is common sense lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 02:17 AM
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That's hard to do for some of us though. Maybe some people have such an inner piece of mind or great lives that it doesn't affect them much. But when you're emotionally behind your age, the thought of looking like a middle-aged dad (when you've looked hella young for years) is terrifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 02:12 AM
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That's probably true even subconsciously. I mean when you think about it, aging IS your skin decaying and rotting, albeit very slowly. I think it's simply as we have delayed adolescence it's scarier to accept "growing up" and looking like middle-aged adults when we still feel 20.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 02:09 AM
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I pretty much completely agree. It'd be hard to BE confident and feel good about yourself if you're socially rejected. The exception would be guys who simply don't give a fuck if people like them or not (or sociopaths) lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 01:45 AM
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Oh I can recognize like a 22 year old girl might be beautiful I'm just no longer personally attracted to them lol. Always liked older women the most anyway. Even if I have arrested development and don't feel 33-34 I know I still biologically am, and don't want to creep myself out either
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 11:48 AM
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That's awesome, and just as a progressive left wing feminist I love when the gender roles flip
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 11:43 AM
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Wow great point. I think the recession has made people born in the 90s be much more cautious with money and not so reckless, at least not like previous generations. So this holds true for how they treat women way more respectfully. All I can say for me is I just like having a connection and am not trying to get laid I'm not the media stereotype of a Millennial, being from 1985 I still have a lot of Gen X experience when young but relate a lot to Millennials in recent years, maybe from being slow…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/19 11:35 PM
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That's awesome, btw I'm normally babyfaced, but it does seem when I let the beard grow a little, I get more flirting
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/19 06:15 PM
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Me to a T! I'm just hoping I still look enough like one now to people just seeing me, now that I'm in the early throes of being middle-aged. Ie to me "looking 30" is middle age in a way. I'm 33 and usually look my age now unfortunately, or no less than 27 (even that might've been a lucky guess)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/19 04:54 PM
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I don't fuck with Hillary lol, she supports war and Wall Street, is against raising the min wage, universal healthcare and legal recreational weed. That said she's still better than Trump, so I kinda fall into that
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/19 04:39 PM
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I've got both those things checked, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/19 04:36 PM
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Yeah it has a very "get off my lawn" Trump voter vibe to it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/19 12:46 AM
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Wish I could give a million upvotes for this. Finally someone who doesn't push the "own your age bro" narrative. I always looked younger for years and it's not all in my head that I got treated better when I did. I'll be 34 this year and while some people still guess me to be mid to late 20s I can still see myself slowly deteriorating despite all the skincare I do. Nasolabial and forehead lines and just a little less glow, I'm really self conscious about it all. Maybe it's irrational but I don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 05:05 PM
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Before I'm 40 (in 6 years) I'm definitely getting plastic surgery on my nasolabial folds and small forehead lines. I'd rather look a little fake than look like a burgeoning middle age dad. People say just own your age and don't fight it and all that shit, but to me it shows you care about appearance enough to make an investment in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 04:56 PM
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Gotta admit that's a good one lol. I probably shouldn't have mixed dating with simply hanging out/making friends, but some people are strict about even that
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 01:00 AM
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Dude Courtney in cougar town a few years ago (couldn't be a better name for that show) was hotter than 1994 Courtney in Ace Ventura I grew up watching lol. I hope you're young bro, Kristen is still only 28
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 12:57 AM
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Oh I meant more just cause the dude was 50 macking on way younger women. Yeah lots of people flirt and stuff innocently though
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 12:54 AM
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Thanks man. I feel like in prior generations where there's natural forced interaction it's very common to date co workers (I wasn't work age until 2003 and even then it was somewhat easier). Although I kinda agree with posts that in casual jobs it's not the big deal it is with careers
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 04:48 PM
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That sounds like a good middle ground. Dating or fucking a co worker (or worse a higher up where there's a power imbalance) can make things worse. I think it's great to make new friends anywhere though
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/19 11:16 PM
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That guy's a creep, people like that deserve to be fired. I mean more like mutual friendships where like if you met them outside of work you'd date/hang out with them
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/19 11:12 PM
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Yeah there's something to be said about shared experiences and fitting into each other's social groups without being awkward. Overall age differences seem to be more socially acceptable if the younger person is at least late 20s/early 30s. I mean if a 60 year old and a 40 year old are together it's like "okay kinda weird but to each their own", but 40 and 20 seems like taking advantage and manipulation or preying on a girl who has daddy issues
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/19 07:16 PM
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Not every guy wants to be dominant or a sugar daddy. I find even the idea of me being one of those things revolting. But even if I still looked 17 I'd still choose 40s-50s women because I think they're the most awesome, and beautiful too. Yeah I'm an outlier though lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/19 07:08 PM
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Most of my crushes have aged well so it's easier for me to picture them the way they were then, but it's hella weird when someone from high school looks middle-aged. Definitely makes you feel your mortality. I guess I can see what you mean though since I used to like teenage valley girls when I was like 7, obviously today I wouldn't be able to find anyone under 25 attractive (even that's pushing it).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 05:51 PM
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Winona just went from a cute 80s girl to a cougar now bro
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 05:46 PM
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Oh yeah Gillian is even hotter now. When the original X Files was popular in like 1996 I thought of Scully as like a teacher I wished would beat and seduce me lol Yeah I don't blame you about your ex's mom. That'd be awkward no matter what especially if it meant being around her again if you'd dated her mom too
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 05:44 PM
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That's a trip man, I bet people do age quicker on average in conservative/rural areas. I love talk shows and I'll be shocked how young some middle-aged looking people on Dr Phil or Steve Wilkos and Jerry or Maury still are
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 05:41 PM
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Oh yeah you mean like younger versions of them today? Idk man but I'll always find 80s vals to be awesome and hot. When I meet a 50 year old who still has the same personality just kinda older, I love that. Guess it's a nostalgia thing too?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 12:53 AM
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In general I enjoy your posts even when I disagree but come on man, that's pretty pedantic and there's no need to make this guy feel even more like crap because he's got a McJob. Would it be better if he was on welfare and/or didn't work at all or broke the law to get money? This idea that retail and food service is only for college age ppl is outdated. We've been in a recession for 10 years now, people are struggling economically except for a lucky few rich people. Even when I was a kid in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 11:37 PM
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Late replying but I can really relate to you OP. Having a much older unempathic father is almost worse than none at all. I think in both of our cases, not having a steady father figure made us unsure of how to be men. I'm okay with having a few masculine traits, but (idk about you but) I like being one of the girls and tend to emotionally relate to them. Going into my mid 30s now I'm scared that I'm aging too much to pass as androgynous or teen idolish, I don't know how to handle being/looking l…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 11:05 PM
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OP is talking about his teens, but when I was a "kid kid" like 10 I shared his idealized view of getting a girlfriend (or anything else in life really) was pretty simple. I thought just being around people would be enough, then again movies and sitcoms made everything seem easier anyway lol. I thought high school would be like Ferris Bueller or Fast Times for everyone, boy was I wrong lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/19 06:43 PM
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Probably looked just about 19 lmao and just didn't change much after that. Then again some people just have amazing genes, I have this friend born in 1982 (she's white too) and legit looks 21
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 01:49 AM
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You're still good bro, especially if you're in decent shape and look youthful. Might be a little tough to get 18-19 year old girls but I'd assume since you're still in your 20s anyone over 21 wouldn't put you into dad/total adult category. And you're also still young enough to be a boytoy to women over 40 or so. Our wall is probably 30 or 35. I felt shit just softly but noticeably change when I turned 30 (33 now). Having that 3 in front of your age appears to give off a middle aged/full blown ad…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 01:35 AM
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Shit OP I consider myself Demisexual! What I'll say is it should generally apply to men more than women too, simply because more women are already wired to be more emotionally turned on first and most men visually first (that explains why most dudes like watching porn). So a guy who's emotionally wired is more unique by default lol. I watched porn sometimes as a teen but it didn't do as much for me as just having girls (well moreso milf's) like me! I always wanted them to be attracted to me and …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 01:25 AM
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If a 28 year old still looks 19 or a 40 year old still looks 30 though, sure it might turn off some people after they find out, but the initial attraction is still there. And yeah blacks, Asians as well as Indian Americans tend to look hella younger than most whites.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 01:17 AM
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That's exactly it bro. I don't appreciate being deferred to like I'm some adult authority figure (getting "sirred" in a casual setting for example). I feel like saying "come on I'm a cool guy even if I don't look like one anymore, please treat me casually!" Genuinely curious but that doesn't bother you at all? We're around the same age but you probably matured quicker than my arrested development ass lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 12:46 AM
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I feel for that guy, being that I have arrested development myself. Surprisingly though I'm not on his side with wanting to actively identify as younger. It's a slippery slope (what if someone identifies as a 14 year old just to go back to high school, etc) and it actually hurts rather than helps us in the long run. If everyone worked really hard at actually staying young and aging well (ie skincare, keeping up with pop culture and slang but treading careful enough to where you seem organic usin…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 10:23 PM
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I know this post was days ago but if you're sick of cougars, send them my way dude lol. I'll be more than happy to spend time with them instead
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 08:54 PM
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A friend who I often complain about this stuff to, says that being treated a little more grown up can be good because people won't dismiss your opinion and will give you more respect. Idk man I see that angle and I want to feel that way but I guess when I get "sirred" and stuff I feel like people are saying I'm less approachable
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 10:25 PM
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Yeah your average 55 year old woman could still get dick (and not just by thirsty creepy weirdos) and even a relationship without too much trouble. Your average even 35 year old dude will have to really try hard though. Shit even for people the same age women have higher smv/rmv, especially considering women find 80% of men unattractive/average. Us guy's got way more common courtesy when we still looked like teens too. When I was 25 and still looked 18 and was a few bucks short at the supermarke…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 08:15 PM
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Men have a wall at least a soft wall too. I'd say on average women over 30 age much better (some exceptions in both directions of course, but generally speaking they do age slower, thanks to skincare). People are still pretty cool to me but I was cuter 10 years ago and got more positive attention too. We need to be realistic
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 08:04 PM
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Close yeah she had a 14 year old daughter, I felt bad bc I could tell she thought it was awkward and uncomfortable
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 05:13 PM
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Oh you mean like morbidly obese and shit lol. I'm thinking like mid 90s Ricki Lake just off the top of my head was gorgeous to me (not so much now but as a kid)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 03:54 AM
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For some reason I've always liked big girls dude, idk why people call them landwhales
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 03:47 AM
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I'm pretty sure we're healthiest when young. There's a reason I could beat it 5x a day when I was 13 or 14 lmao. It's a sweet deal for the middle-aged guy, not so much for the young woman who could get a faster/stronger/ more sexually active and hotter younger guy anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 03:42 AM
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A 4 unquestionably. I want to be loved for who I am not for material stuff. Besides I'm more attracted to a lot of women that many dudes would consider average, and obviously I love cougars
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 03:32 AM
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Speaking of braces, I finally got them in my early/mid 20s (in 07-09) to correct an overbite once I had the money to pay for them myself. I had the neon colored ones too. My gf at the time loved it lol which helped. Granted I still looked 17 then so it probably made it not look weird
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 01:20 AM
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This is the old fashioned Hollywood stereotype, but nobody's taking the guy's smv into account. I don't think beer guts, wrinkles and (sometimes) baldness gets too many young women thirsty lol. And if it does they have daddy issues, why would men be okay with being wanted for their money and not truly being loved? Even good looking older guys, they won't be as much fun and won't have as much in common with young women as the dudes her age will
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 01:02 AM
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Sounds legit. In general we don't change that much internally, I'm sure even when I'm 60 I'll still feel this way, I'll just be more used to it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 12:19 AM
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Second one would be awesome. I can barely accept 33 I can't imagine saying I'm 43 (but I have thought of that lol). Up until recently whenever I brought up 80s stuff I always loved when people were surprised/thought I was too young for it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 07:57 PM
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Very true I think what dulls the pain of losing something is having new things to look forward to and be passionate about. Unrelated to my personal issues (but it exacerbates them) is being really financially struggling and after my mom had an emotional breakdown due to her husband leaving her broke (long story), the roles have reversed and I have to do lots of things for her and making sure she's okay. Not that I wouldn't do it anyway of course but it makes me FEEL more middle-aged since I also…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 08:54 PM
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You beat the odds bro (2 years older than me too), congrats. Oh yeah I imagine locals expect all us whites to have aged horribly but genes matter too
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 07:59 PM
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Yeah muscle weighs like twice as much as fat which is always better
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 07:53 PM
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That's soul crushing. I would suggest shaving it off but I know it still makes guys look older and not everyone can pull it off. Would hair club for men work for you maybe?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 05:16 PM
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Oh hell no lol, I'd want to be a bottom. I love dominant and strong women too
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 05:17 PM
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Hugs bro. I suspect that's about equal to how I feel getting light wrinkles (each of us probably would say the other has it worse but they're both hurtful). Do girls assume you're older when you talk to them? It's ridiculous there's no cure for genetic baldness
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 01:31 AM
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Oh absolutely even group therapy I'd be down for. I'm not financially well off but I live within my means. Honestly one reason I post all this stuff online is to maybe help someone else going through similar stuff express themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 01:29 AM
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Thanks dude, I really will. I'm not always this neurotic I just vent here but it's obvious I need some professional opinions
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 01:27 AM
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My heart agrees but I worry what people/society would think. I don't want to be a walking meme (scratch that I probably already am lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 01:22 AM
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How old is this guy just curious? Yeah unless he's their drug dealer or something I'm afraid he might not be able to get by on looks much longer. Wish I could hug and cry with him
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 01:21 AM
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Disagree. So many vibrant youthful gorgeous women in their 40s 50s and even occasionally older. I agree going bald would be a huge hit to your looks but at this point I'd almost rather be balding with a glowing babyface. At least you can hide baldness with hats or shaving the back off
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 01:18 AM
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Interesting. Yeah I mostly agree the feeling less accomplished than your peers or friends from high school is soul sucking too. When it's combined with aging it's a total shit cocktail lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 01:16 AM
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I have heard quite a few dudes say this and I'm curious (since it's been the extreme opposite with me). Is it just confidence and being smooth? I have soft features and maybe fine lines/loss of glowing skin just doesn't compliment that look
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 01:06 AM
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Gives me a straight up boner and makes me feel young. Even if they're not flirting or they're like the stereotypical southern waitresses who probably say that all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 01:05 AM
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I admire your carefree attitude. Wish I could say the same but being a former teen idol and no longer being one simply hurts too much. I didn't get good social skills until my mid 20s so only had a few good years.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 12:58 AM
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Trump and Pence running the country is probably the scariest thing lol. But it's hard adjusting to the reality I've known my whole life changing and therefore being treated a little different sometimes
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 07:33 PM
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That's awesome, gives me hope. Just curious if you're white? We seem to age the roughest while blacks and Asians look youngest
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 05:28 PM
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I've heard how much a weight off it is to not feel pressured to keep up with slang and trends etc. Honestly I was never that trendy in the first place so on that I'm probably good lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 05:26 PM
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Oh yeah Joe Rogan is 51 and dude's in way better shape than I could hope to be lol. Truthfully I wonder if I should've tried harder to date younger girls in my 20s just to have the experience behind me now? I do prefer older women though I've had good connections with lots of different people (ironically conservative women seem to like me lol). There's early 20s girls at work and stuff I'm casually friends with, and even though they talk to me and tell me stuff and use slang/seem pretty chill ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 05:23 PM
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Thanks Washington, yeah it's not even just about sex or even relationships but the whole feeling that goes with being young. Now I'm always paranoid somebody's gonna notice my fine lines and treat me different
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 05:09 PM
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Just in general makes me feel good about myself like I've still got it. Makes me feel more innocent when (less but still some) women call me sweetie/hon or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 05:07 PM
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Lol I'm pretty internally gay, everything short of actually wanting dick lol. Even when I was young and hotter I felt a weird disconnect probably for that reason. I wanted to be one of the girls too
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 04:30 PM
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Dude I seriously wish I could skip right to 70 and be a bomb ass grandpa like Bernie Sanders or the shitloads of early Baby Boomer rock stars. It's the middle age dad thing I'm scared of
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 04:26 PM
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I'll actually agree, there's that and plenty of other reasons I'd really like to talk to a therapist. I know it's all subjective but I did get a shitty roll of the dice in many ways, and that exacerbates it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 04:23 PM
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I've often said I'm as queer as you can get without actually wanting a cock in my ass lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 04:14 PM
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I've often said I'm as queer as you can get without actually wanting a cock in my ass lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 04:12 PM
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Dude I loved it, I mean it wasn't even that serious, I'd just go over to her house and we'd watch movies and cuddle or we'd go to the mall or out to dinner nothing major. She had a jealous ex husband and I didn't want to get a beatdown lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 04:10 PM
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It's not just thirsty dudes trying to fuck them, there's tons of 40s-50s women I'd move mountains for and would freaking love to just hang out with, like simple stuff too like watching Netflix or daily errands etc. When I was 19 I had a 42 year old girlfriend for awhile and it was amazing
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 01:18 AM
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One word: Skincare. I can't tell you how many straight white men put no effort into their appearance, often not even using sunscreen. The effects will be hardly noticeable in their 20s but by 30-35 especially 40 with collagen naturally decreasing anyway it's gonna be plainly obvious who did and didn't take care of themselves. If you really care about yourself you'll do stuff that's not easy or comfortable. For a month now I've almost totally given up sugar (even on my cheat days nothing more tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 01:06 AM
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It's actually interesting to me how it morphed though there's some overlap. I feel like back in the day it just meant "less Gen X" when it was talking about people born in like 1980. But the standard meaning today are people born in the 90s. I think the zeitgeist around 2000 wasn't that big of a deal, it was more 2010 where we got connected
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 07:49 PM
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That's hardcore bro, yeah that'd never happen today. A fraction of that would get the cops called. Imagine the fearmongering older generations would do if there'd been social media then!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 07:45 PM
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I don't agree with the standard definition of millennial (77-94). To me it's more 1986-1999 but mid 90s babies are totally a part of it imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 01:32 AM
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Yeah in the 90s it was only what made the local news (or the absolute worst stuff was national) and even that was just a fraction of shit people share on FB now lol. The violent crime and teen pregnancy rate peaked in the early 90s, today it's much safer (as much as I like those times growing up then) there just wasn't as much coverage then.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 01:25 AM
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In the 90s I remember adults criticizing teens (and even like 10 year olds) for growing up too fast lol. People born in like 1979 seemed cool/edgy AF to me as a kid. Really interesting to see it change so hard the other way. I wouldn't say today's teens seem innocent though, just less into taking risks and doing dumb shit than Boomers, Gen X and older Millennials did
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 01:10 AM
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The article is interesting and makes some good points but I think young people have always been pretty much the same in every time, it's just different pop culture etc. Call me a cynic but I think technology just amplifies the way we already are. True it does make alienation and rejection more visible (I get hurt if not many people like my new FB selfie avatar lol so I understand), and it makes us all able to interact with the entire world as opposed to just whoever we know in our immediate loca…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 01:05 AM
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Stacey might just be saying Pratt isn't attractive because he looks at least 30 (probably closer to 35). Doesn't mean she likes fat bald dudes though lol. We're all different though. When I was 14 Britney didn't do much for me and I liked Stifler's mom
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 04:56 PM
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Yeah like I said he's overall pretty handsome. I'd say he looks mid 30s and age differences don't matter as much when the youngest one is over 25 or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 04:43 PM
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Besides being overweight he looks pretty decent tbh and he's a cool MF. Loved Van Wilder too, it seems older than 2002 for some reason
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 04:38 PM
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Nice, glad somebody else saw that too. I have this friend who's 51 that looks way younger than him lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 04:34 PM
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Good points. Tom probably is just the type who doesn't give that much a shit about how he looks. Like I said Christina P is gorgeous so as long as she's attracted to him that's probably what matters to him. Yeah even guys who don't go bald will at least be thinning in old age or it won't look luminous and silky like young guys hair
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 04:33 PM
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Oh yeah that's when it's like the cancer patient look (no disrespect to actual cancer patients lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/18 12:11 AM
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I feel like women who do like dad bods (regardless of the guy's age) are outliers
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/18 12:10 AM
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Yeah it always seemed like something they lied to make themselves feel better about lol. Even guys who choose to shave their heads for that badass look, still have the shadow which makes a huge difference compared to the shiny cue ball with the horseshoe shadow on the back lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/18 01:15 AM
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Lmao that seems like something Christina would joke about. His buddy Bert Kreisner is sorta fat too, he's a good sport about it though
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/18 12:40 AM
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Not balding like George on Seinfeld lol but isn't it generally considered manly to shave your head if you're losing any?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/18 12:37 AM
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Nah I was just surprised lol, it's bizarre when someone older than another person actually looks younger than them (3 years as an adult is nothing but older is older lol) Age aside I'm freaking jealous of Tom, he's so lucky
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/18 12:33 AM
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I agree she's above him and his cool personality probably makes up for average looks to her. I could lose some weight (already cut way back on sugar and lost like 8 pounds the last few weeks) but thankfully no balding. Born in August 85. Pratt looks pretty good, handsome and the little stubble works well for his face. BUT I'm developing the same tiny forehead line he has and it makes me cry every day, he's also got slight wrinkles under the eyes, does that hurt his smv?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 11:30 PM
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Dude needs to lose weight I'll agree
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 11:27 PM
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Good points, although I agree with most of what you said (fame increases anyone's attraction and smv) Christina is freaking gorgeous and I love her dirty edgy humor. Reminds me of older girls I grew up with in the 90s. I was surprised she's 3 years older than him
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 11:26 PM
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Oh yeah fitness is huge (one of the only manosphere thing I agree with lol). I guess Tom if he was thin would be a better example
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 11:23 PM
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I've wondered this about all the classic rockers living the sex drugs and rock and roll lifestyle, basically being fuckboys into their 50s even 60s lmao. The guys in Motley Crue never have marriages that last for long
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 10:11 PM
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As long as you live within your means and contribute to bills and just generally are responsible, I don't think money alone should be an obstacle if two people are otherwise a good fit. Then again I'm an LMC guy myself saying this so take that for what it's worth lol. There are UMC women who give poorer/middle class guys a chance and God bless them, but I do kinda understand some who don't want a lifestyle downgrade (like a lawyer dating/marrying a dude who works at McDonald's is unlikely).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 09:54 PM
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I never want kids and probably never will lol, but Slutty daughter. I'm progressive and so as long as guys (or girls) she was with were good to her and she was careful I wouldn't have a problem with it. Plus it means she's probably going to have a good social life Intel sons could be alt right anti feminists mad that they can't get laid or it could simply be a guy with a nice personality and a good heart and all that who's just unlucky enough to not be that attractive so it's more complicated. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/18 04:54 PM
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You're probably right bro. I almost wonder if I could fulfill the fantasy if it'd be easier to move on and grow up lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 07:46 PM
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Oh I see what you're saying. Not necessarily twilight mom's in general but women over 40 who lust after hella young guys, especially teen idol boyband types (the look I'm trying probably too hard to hold onto lol). Guess they have a more extreme version of what I'm feeling, except for me it's I want to be a part of their fantasy. Not just sexually but being their friend and appreciating them. Guess I'm just sensitive overall towards most people unless they're being total dicks lol, but I get you…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 07:45 PM
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Awesome, she's such an underappreciated genius, I wonder why she wasn't more mainstream popular in the 90s. She did have that one bubbly pop song Why Can't I in 2003 and Joe Rogan had her on a few months ago
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 07:37 PM
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Oh yeah it's comical, I almost feel sorry for them being so delusional. I wonder if it's just how they want it to be to prove their point? Or they'll zone in on a few outliers and just assume every 35 year old woman has deep wrinkles, a "can I speak to the manager" haircut, is grumpy, nagging and never does anything fun. It's like bro 55 usually isn't like that much less 35
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 04:58 PM
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Do you think if they feel that way (lusting after very young men, or literal teenage BOYS with like those teachers who fuck their students) they're emotionally damaged? In all seriousness I'd feel horrible if I was responsible for like saying the wrong thing and it hurt their feelings or messed them up
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 01:24 AM
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True it's not like we immediately know how old everybody is anyway lol. Some people I assume are 60 might only be 48 or whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 01:19 AM
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Oh yeah I never thought of that but good points. Guess its easier to get things off your chest online where you're at least kinda anonymous too. Btw totally unrelated but is your name a Liz Phair reference?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 01:17 AM
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That totally makes sense. Sounds like you just click with older guys from familiarity growing up around them. I have older than usual parents and their friends were also older, so I feel a kinship with the older Baby Boomers like born in the 1940s. While I didn't have a hard time relating to the other kids per se, I was kinda more of an old soul too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 01:09 AM
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If me and my posts annoy you (which it's obvious they do) just don't freaking respond. Easy fix lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 01:00 AM
1

I wonder if that's true sometimes? Would you say roughly early 40s then
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 12:59 AM
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Bro if I just have one girlfriend old enough to be my mom I can progress out of it and die happy, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 12:58 AM
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Yep she's like that as are lots of women (and a smaller amount of guys too) in their 30s 40s even 50s in the San Francisco Bay area. 35 year olds in an Arkansas trailer park might be a different story lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 12:55 AM
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I'm probably wired like a woman emotionally so when a dude says that it seems weird, but same insecurities
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 12:46 AM
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Lmao sounds like he's got a good sense of humor. Do you think average 20 year old guys (attractive or not) are just not interesting? There had to be a few who thought of me like that when I was 20 even if I was more mature in some ways
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 11:33 PM
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My friend is 47 and a dance teacher and she's totally like that. Her husband is really handsome though (her age) and they both seem way younger. I bet in red states there's more oldish women that age but in general I don't see it much
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 11:28 PM
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Yeah, would you say it's maturity that appeals to you instead of frat bros acting like douchebags?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 11:26 PM
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A 50 year old was only in her 20s when I was a kid and 30s as a teen, so part of me still sees them that way
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 11:24 PM
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The other week that happened to me tbh. This lady in her 60s grabbed my dick at this lounge bar while dancing. I wasn't attracted to her but I still took it as a compliment. I'd be down to get tatted up and a bit manlier if it meant more milf's would like it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 11:22 PM
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Awesome, you do you boo! I actually think it's cool when people break from stereotypes
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 11:18 PM
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Oh yeah true lol, there's some women I wouldn't have wanted hitting on me of course. Apologize if saying that made me sound like a dick, guess it's just at 33 I'm afraid of losing my looks and not being able to be a boytoy fantasy anymore so I wish I could switch places with younger dudes who don't like it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 10:33 PM
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I can see that, you mean like frat bros who aren't very deep intellectually? Would you feel the same about mature younger guys? Guess I'm basing off my own experiences getting tons of attention from 40+ women in my teens and earlier 20s. Still do but not as often (or they'll call me sir sometimes which hurts lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 10:28 PM
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I can believe that only because I'm feeling that way going into my mid 30s now. I feel like if I don't get reassured constantly that I'm attractive, it really makes my self esteem take a dive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 10:22 PM
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Its unfortunate if that's true about smv. I'm a geek and I got hit on by women of all ages without even trying when I was 21.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 10:20 PM
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That's true, like after they're in an LTR they may not put as much effort into it. I will say the handsome 40s/50s guys out there give me hope but plenty don't take care of themselves. Speaking of, I wonder when women fantasize young guys is it just sexual? Or just like their energy and zest for life too?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 10:18 PM
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Sounds legit lol. Where do 26-34 year old guys slot in? I've only got a year and a half before I'm supposed to be a middle-aged provider damn!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 08:29 PM
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I hate to be an asshole (and I'm not trying to minimize something that made you uncomfortable) but I'd love to have that problem lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 08:27 PM
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I'm sure some are worn down or have that "can I speak to the manager" vibe lol, but the majority are hella gorgeous and full of life that I've met.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 08:25 PM
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Oh yeah like vapid douchebags who can't hold a conversation. Even a really hot young guy i imagine gets unattractive really quick without a good personality. I miss being 20 when I could brag about being more mature than those dudes
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 08:24 PM
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Lol your second reply made me chuckle, what's sad though is that's not far off from how some TRP guys seem to think
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 08:21 PM
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Trust me I'd like to launch lol, I just was born into an unfortunate situation in many respects. Even if lightning struck tomorrow and I won the lotto I'd still have missing years in my prime I'll never get back. Truthfully I do like to contribute and help people, I'm not some lazy prick (I love buying stuff for GFS I've had for example). I just don't know how to behave like an accomplished manly man, seems so far out of my wheelhouse lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 08:18 PM
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In general I think that's true, though when its self reporting some people might hold back so we don't totally know
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 08:14 PM
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I think powerful experienced women are sexy AF and just awesome in general. I'm scared that at almost 34 I'm too old for them to see me that way anymore, at least compared to hotter 22 year old dudes
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 08:12 PM
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True there's different things about different people that I like lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 08:10 PM
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Your first point makes sense, but there are some Bernie style progressive guys with girlfriends obviously lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 04:26 PM
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Even if the sexual assault didn't happen, he's a slimy prick who supports NSA spying, wants to overturn Roe vs Wade, is hostile to secularism, thinks Obamacare is unconstitutional and wants to get rid of EPA regulations. No thanks lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 04:23 PM
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Yeah even the closest people occasionally will have stuff they disagree on lol. Bringing up something you don't like that she didn't mention already is like being an independent thinker too
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 04:17 PM
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Sounds pretty right, maybe it was like "damn maybe this guy does have some balls" lol. Plus she already knew me enough to know I do care about her and wasn't just some asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 04:14 PM
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That's awesome she was down with you. I wonder sometimes if deep down, people like that girl do question religious dogma but feel at some level it's disrespectful to their loved ones who taught it to them so they get really passionate and defensive over it? (Tomi Lahren seems like that lol.) Maybe once she got to know you and saw that you were cool despite disagreeing with her, she was more receptive than she would've been? Was her sister like still religious but way more moderate?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 04:11 PM
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True but I just got worried because she sounded genuinely shocked and upset. I apologized 5 seconds later (even if I still think the guy is trash). She'd just never seen me like that before
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 03:58 PM
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That's a good ass point. It's probably so different from the norm they're used to (traditional gender roles) as well. I wonder if it makes them feel more accepted in a way, even if I don't agree with a lot of their views? It's actually pretty sad when conservative religious women view themselves as inferior or at the very least, subservient to their husbands/boyfriends/men in general. I almost wonder if even that could be (even lying to themselves) a desire to agree with men so it doesn't piss t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 10:23 PM
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Exactly yeah, like the extreme opposite would be being condescending or a douche towards anything you like or think, which isn't good either. Guess mutual respect while still being yourself is best
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 10:10 PM
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I admit I'm pretty damn beta male in some ways lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 10:08 PM
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I only apologized for hurting her feelings by calling Kav an entitled prep school prick who shouldn't be in power (which she overheard and genuinely sounded upset and pissed at me). I just didn't want to lose the friendship and make it super awkward. We'd never disagreed before then lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 10:07 PM
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Oh I made it clear I'm a flaming progressive and she's a fairly religious conservative, so I guess we sorta agreed to disagree. Thing is we get along great and do have stuff in common so hopefully politics doesn't come up lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 10:02 PM
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Yeah I can see that, probably seems try hard and ingenuine too.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 09:59 PM
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Ah okay, makes sense. I do think people grew up faster and hit adult benchmarks sooner in past generations. In the 1950s or 60s it probably wasn't even unusual for a 19 year old chick to be married and starting a family. I think it's just I must've grown up biased since almost all my parents friends had kids later on (I am from the San Francisco Bay area for what it's worth lol). So even as a 9 year old kid 30 was like a younger/cool grown up and 45-50 really felt like the adult adults. The shel…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 12:43 AM
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True I'm sure there actually were a lot of traditional more conservative Baby Boomers who had kids young (I wonder if the stereotype of hippie Woodstock potheads protesting the war and feminists burning their bras were exceptions more than the norm?) I've just seen lots of Dr Phil shows or whatever where some wild teen girl has a 32 year old mom instead of 40-45ish which should be more normal
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/18 06:44 PM
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70 is pushing it even for me lol, I'd say for regular women 40s are best. It's weird though when I meet the occasional "can I speak to the manager" women who are probably that age
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/18 06:27 PM
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Dude if I ever had a chance with 70 year old Susan Sarandon, just saying! She's so beautiful and probably just as hot down there too lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/18 11:50 PM
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Interesting, I've heard that's how oily skin is vs normal/dry (probably for both). Dry skin is the smoothest, most glowing type and its said to show signs of aging quicker (ie nasolabial folds or forehead lines) but very slight too. Oily skin holds in moisture better but when the wrinkles do develop they come in like a motherfucker. I'm really scared since that's what I have. I simply think women glow and appear to age slower since they have beauty and skincare routines like I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/18 11:46 PM
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Stifler's mom in American Pie (where the term got coined) was like 45, I think people just like to rush the generations together now. Or Gen X just couldn't keep it in their pants as opposed to the boomers who waited until like 35 to start families
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/18 11:24 PM
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This is garbage. Most women overall age better because skincare and beauty routines are important. I wish more men cared about that. Even regular people lots of absolutely stunning women in their 40s and 50s. I was cuter/hotter 10 years ago without any lines. The guys over 30/especially over 40 who look good are youthful ones who don't look their age, so we don't peak at 35
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/18 09:53 PM
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That's true. She really has a good heart and has a nurturing side (she doesn't have any kids but does have younger brothers). Even if work wasn't a thing, dating her is out of the question since she's got a bf lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 01:31 AM
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*(Posted this in a reply but wanted to put it in the main discussion too) I can relate to feeling a lot of these things, such as being down that I maybe wasn't given a chance by girls I liked in the first place and wondering just what I could've done differently lol. I firmly believe that's one reason I hated having any masculinity or simply being a guy, because I wasn't trying to fuck them and genuinely wanted to just hang out and get to know them better, or at most, be their boyfriend. But bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/18 03:27 PM
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Great points. I can relate to feeling a lot of these things in the past, such as being down that I maybe wasn't given a chance in the first place and wondering just what I could've done differently lol. I firmly believe that's one reason I hated having any masculinity or simply being a guy, because I wasn't trying to fuck them and genuinely wanted to just hang out and get to know them better. But because I was a little shy and awkward I was afraid of them THINKING I was. I'm not proud to admit I…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/18 01:14 AM
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Gotcha. Despite personally feeling the opposite way is it like their enthusiasm? I can say with the younger co workers around that age, it is pretty cool how extroverted they are (though so are lots of older women too)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 09:09 PM
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That was my interpretation too, they've both said nice things about me and likely see me as an easy-going nonthreatening dude. I don't think I look that young for my age (maybe 27 at youngest) but the late 30s one knows I'm close to her age and calls me "kiddo" sometimes too.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 03:50 PM
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Oh yeah that makes sense running in different circles. Even a 25 year old dude going to freshman parties with 18 year olds would be slightly creepy. And I totally agree 30+ year old guys lusting after 19 year old girls is wrong and predatory, especially if they also think women their own age are post wall or whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 03:47 PM
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Why dude? Legit question. Some even in their 40s seem hella youthful and fun and haven't aged much
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 03:40 PM
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33 and I know it sucks ass having a dreaded 3 in front of my age the last few years lol. It's just a technicality but it does seem to give a different vibe than even late 20s does. Despite having arrested development I could never do it. Having to pretend I didn't grow up in the late 80s and the 90s would be exhausting in itself
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 01:30 AM
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I felt for this dude when I saw this story the other day too. My answer might surprise people considering my own arrested development, but even though I feel his pain and understand his reasons for doing so, I still think it's wrong. It also pisses me off that he's equating it with gender discrimination, because it trivializes those important issues too. As much as it hurts to be left out based on something you can't help, I'd tell him it's a two way street because you also can't disregard someo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 01:28 AM
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I've thought of that too, one of them does call me "babe" too. I know it's just words and everyone acts differently, but she does seem pretty genuine. She's my age but so more advanced in life than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 11:30 PM
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Fuck yes! Both when it comes to being an effeminate, non cisgender guy OR a more masculine woman. Sure it's okay for some people to fit into typical gender roles of course, but I think it's helpful when people are all across the board because (as hippie as it sounds) it shows we're all different individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 10:43 PM
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Thanks for making a substantive point lol. And I agree we all mature and act differently, there's times I've massively guessed someone's age wrong in both directions. Funny thing is, I'm not actually sure if they're saying it towards me in a generally endearing way or if it's flirting, lol. Now something like "Bless your heart" is totally mommish or shows you're from the South, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 08:32 PM
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Sorry man, just making an observation that I realized what a divide there's starting to be between me and even chicks my age.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 07:51 PM
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I need to stay blazed then so it makes more sense to be this way, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 07:50 PM
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I saw this great 80s heavy metal parking lot documentary (teens going to see Judas Priest and partying outside before the show), and omg 19 year olds in 1986 looked 37 lmao, especially with the big 'staches.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 07:46 PM
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I do have some killer weed dude, but nope, totally sober now
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 07:32 PM
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Probably so. These gals are probably acting their age tbh, and I'm still mentally stuck at 19 in some ways
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 07:29 PM
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Can't argue with that lol. But do you ever watch movies from back in the day and get shocked at how YOUNG some of the parents or adults were at the time? Kathleen Turner was only in her late 20s/early 30s in her biggest movies in the early to mid 80s and was such a sultry cougar. She's actually younger then than I am now, which makes me trip balls.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 07:28 PM
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Apologize, I should've clarified that (imo) he's aged better than 90% of men
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 12:56 AM
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In the past I would've said middle-aged people, but since late 20s are millennials now (born 89-91 or so) there's not much difference from early 20s. People seem hella younger now and grow up slower (save for some people in conservative religious parts of the country). At my last job this chick born 1988 hung out and was really close to this girl born 1996 (like 19 and 27 then) and it didn't seem weird or like they had hardly any difference between them. I'm 33 and fighting growing up and aging …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 08:05 PM
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I'm 33 and for better or worse one of those dudes with arrested development/extended adolescence. I feel that's common with people behind the curve who didn't get everything out of their youth or were shy/awkward kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 07:53 PM
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Even now that 28 year olds are millennials (born 1990) and generally younger than previous generations were at that age? Shit I'm 1985 and want to go emo cry in the corner now lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 07:51 PM
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I loved that shit, and now they're just as much of a 2000s period piece too lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/18 07:07 PM
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I get what you're saying now. Yeah elitist limousine liberals are in a way worse than the religious right fundies, since they made economic decisions that fucked the country up while pretending to be so progressive. Shit I taped a VH1 80s documentary from 2001 where they mentioned how the hippies sold out and became yuppies even by the early 80s (not that long after the Woodstock era really). At least the right wingers are upfront about being scum and what they stand for. The cool boomers I know…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/18 04:04 PM
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Yeah at very least he's awesome for his age, he could at least pass for 35
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/18 03:56 PM
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True lol. Do you think Billie Joe pulls it off though? Dude's 46 and doesn't look that different than he did in Dookie in 1994. Even Tre is looking rougher by comparison now. I just love the punk rock emo look in general The average guy by 40 though will probably just look like they're clinging onto their youth too hard. Wish there was a middle ground where you didn't need to "look your age" (ie a boring dad) but not look ridiculous either
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/18 09:55 PM
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Seriously? Wow I didn't realize that but that's fucked up. I guess some even if they're easygoing on social issues and weed, they're kinda greedy with money and stuck in their ways. I bet those are the types who write articles complaining about us eating avocado toast and shaming us for not voting for Hillary, lol Even the ones I like/am friends with annoyed me with supporting Hillary over Bernie and seeming to be just out of touch on economic issues
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/18 09:47 PM
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It's just the conservative ones who piss me off. I'm from Northern CA where there's a pretty big hippie population, so I guess I have the rare (relative to the rest of the country) experience of interacting with the more chill Boomers who smoke weed and are still liberal. Well the women in their 30s when I was a kid are like 55 now so I guess there's a sense of familiarity. Besides (even the conservative ones) some of them are freaking gorgeous
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/18 09:02 AM
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Lol nice at least I won't be alone. How come it's worse though? Does it come off as try hard
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/18 08:59 AM
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I agree, I read an article a few years ago about how we're the generation of college educated baristas!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 02:36 AM
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Yeah you hit the nail on the head man (for better or worse). I'll be 35 in a year and a half and shitting bricks lol. Trust me I don't want to be a walking meme or SNL sketch lmao, but my not having that much experience or fulfilling my youth (I was a shy kid and slightly less shy but awkward teen) I feel severely stunted me. I have pretty good people and social skills now but the train has passed in terms of my getting as much as possible out of it. Looking late 20s instead of looking 35/40 (or…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 02:32 AM
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Good point I've heard some people say one downside to looking young is not being taken as seriously in professional environments. Not sure if it means anything (she's got a boyfriend anyway) but my supervisor who's my age, sometimes calls me "sweetheart/babe/hon" which feels nice. I can't imagine she would if I was balding and had deep wrinkles lol. Yeah luckily I don't smoke and rarely drink or get high. Metabolism starting to slow down around our age is a big reason to work out harder
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 02:22 AM
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That's true, and tbh I was always mature in certain ways although I really value friendships and relationships more these days
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 02:12 AM
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Nah I'm actually pretty serious and responsible at any job I've ever had (and good at managing money). Even the extroverted gay vibe is only around people I'm comfortable with and/or who know me well enough lol. I'd like to think I'm not youthful in the douchebag ways, like sitting around the house playing videogames all day. I guess when I'm referring to mistakes its simply like being less experienced about something than a co worker might be? Despite being smart it can take me awhile to absorb…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 02:10 AM
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Good advice. I guess I can't get the image of 30s people when I was a kid during the 90s out of my mind, lol. Even wrinkles/aging will be more tolerable to me as more people my age or younger get them too (like when I'm 50)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 01:50 AM
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Ugh sorry man, mine is extremely irresponsible with money and did similar shit (long story), its like they're stuck in their ways which is frustrating
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 01:43 AM
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Kinda sad/funny he never got over his own ageism towards people older than him lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 01:40 AM
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Hope it works out for you too bro, there's definitely a lonely feeling when your peers are pairing off and having families/real careers while you're still finding your way. Truthfully I probably overstate my slight signs of aging (just light nasolabial folds and one small forehead line) out of panic and fear it'll accelerate soon. Most people think I'm like 26 or so too and I'm 33. In a way I think it's cool how the boomers redefined age compared to the jazz/depression era people before them. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 01:37 AM
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I wonder if people having kids younger on average has something to do with that perception? My friend (31) has a 12 year old daughter (who's going on 20 which is kinda scary lol). All us 80s babies despite being pretty young overall, are definitely shifting into the parents/adults generation
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 01:27 AM
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Yeah I'm afraid crows feet are next (right now it's just light nasolabial folds, which sometimes look alright if they're not very noticeable, and a very small forehead line I cover with bangs). Anyway though glad you're doing well now dude, I agree some people just get shafted (while others like Trump are born with a silver spoon) and the American dream is now really the Canadian dream. Would you agree at least certain ages are younger now than they were in the past? Most 25 or 30 year olds in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 01:24 AM
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Yeah and many still refuse to let go of power (like Hillary), Trump was like the last gasp of Reagonomics hopefully
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/18 09:58 PM
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I think you're right. Maybe women just get more emotional support on average, although I don't want to diminish anyone else's struggles
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/18 09:55 PM
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True man, at least at 45 if I can look like a tatted hipster rapper/rock star middle-aged guy it's far better than looking like a boring suburban dad lol Billie Joe Armstrong of green day is 45 and he's still hot (to be fair he does look younger though)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/18 09:52 PM
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Honestly I would like to make the world a better place (as cliche hippie as that may sound). I can't disagree with you. Btw are you familiar with the left wing political YouTuber Kyle Kulinski? He was just on Rogan for a second time last week and said he still feels 19 despite turning 30 which helped me feel a little better.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/18 07:11 PM
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I'll do a longer response later but I do appreciate the constructive criticism (even when I don't agree with you I do enjoy your posts). For the record I'm only gayish extroverted around people (often women) I'm comfortable with who know me pretty well. I'm not like going to just walk into a room acting flamboyant 24/7, I agree that would be weird lol. I know it's not a good excuse but I think it's as simple as that I regret being a (usually) shy kid and kinda less shy but awkward teenager and n…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/18 07:00 PM
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Good point I think Gen Z seems really on top of their shit. I'm pretty good with managing money despite being lower middle class, I'm more behind on life experiences and career, so I don't relate to what a "mid 30s acting" mid 30s guy feels
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/18 12:24 AM
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Yeah it's like we're younger at heart and stay kids longer, but our bodies still age and deteriorate the same way our ancestors did, so there's a weird mismatch lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/18 09:22 PM
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That's true, make the most out of the time we're here since we never know when it's gonna be over. Good to hear you pulled through, wish I could have your level of confidence. Yeah it's astonishing when I watch 80s movies or shows and see all these people that were still young but acted/looked so grown up. Some were established in professional fields at only like 23. Even singers like Huey Lewis were mid 30s but he looked 50 by today's standards. Something about the entire culture and the way pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/18 09:20 PM
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Oh that's a good point I forgot too, can't stay out as late or party as hard without it catching up on you. When you're 21 you can get by on 3 hours sleep and go to work like it ain't no thing next day. I couldn't do that now lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/18 09:07 PM
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I don't often agree with you but you're 💯 right. I wasn't much of a risk taker as a kid and I feel like if you've got balls and do grow up taking risks (within reason) it benefits you in adulthood by taking more chances
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/18 09:05 PM
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Yeah I admit I'm as guilty as anyone of that. When it lasts til 27 or 30 then you finally are forced to lose it by aging it's even harder to take
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/18 09:02 PM
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Thanks bro. Yeah I'm not the type to ever want kids for a multitude of other reasons anyway lol. Stepkids I'd be cool with (possible since I like older women). Yeah the ladder really got yanked from under us and we didn't waste money on wars and crash the economy
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/18 09:00 PM
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Agreed 💯, I think when pop culture pushes the narrative we're all post wall after 30 or especially 40 it contributes to insecurities. Look at 70 year old Susan Sarandon or Stevie Nicks and tell me they're not gorgeous and vibrant and young for their age
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/18 08:57 PM
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I'm actually thinking boomers might be more unhappy about it since they were the first "young/cool" generation and they said don't trust anyone over 30 lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/18 08:54 PM
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I can actually respect trolling if I know lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/18 08:53 PM
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Stop regurgitating horseshit Fox News talking points lol. So many of them weren't resisting you moron
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/18 11:54 PM
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Getting away with something others couldn't if everything else was the same. Violent right wing white guys get treated by cops far better than law abiding, unarmed black people
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/18 08:57 PM
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Yeah I'd generally say it's the same for people I know. I even know early 20s dudes who don't work out and eat fast food. Sure they look babyfaced and handsome now but in 2030 they'll probably be aging poorly too. Poor life choices in general probably start catching up in your late 20s and definitely by 35. More women focus on skincare and sunscreen (though everyone should) and I think just in general not enough guys care about their appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/18 12:11 AM
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Yeah it's weird how I'm way more critical now. That's awesome how supportive your husband is, I'm almost 34 and actually cried the other day seeing a tiny forehead line forming I hadn't noticed before. I'm considering botoxing it but (aside from the cost and pain lol) like he says I'm worried I'd just look silly fighting something inevitable. It's really tough to take though when I didn't have lines for so long
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/18 05:04 PM
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Putting the attraction thing aside it just seems approachable and nonthreatening (which is part of why I do it). Those duck dynasty unkempt ones scare me lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/18 04:57 PM
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That's awesome, do you find most guys close to our age still look this way? In general men seem to put less effort into appearance, but it doesn't start catching up until like 34-37 (fine lines, sun damage, sometimes baldness). White guys seem about half and half, one handsome 38 year old I know looks and acts like late 20s, then my boss is 36 and looks like a 55 year old dad.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/18 04:52 PM
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That's actually really helpful, never quite thought of it like that. True, 1D a few years ago didn't necessarily look feminine just young, but still cisgender dudes. I was 12 in 1997 and although I remember adult women liking Leo, I'd assume more his fans were my age (almost every girl in my class loved him lol). Yeah even though I'm fairly hipster, I get the impression lots of people find the hipster beards to look douchey, lol. If I really romantically connected with a woman a few years younge…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/18 04:48 PM
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Thanks dude never thought of the jawline making a difference. I have a sorta round face and I informally asked some people at work and it was about 50/50 but a little more towards staying babyfaced lol. Thing is I'm gradually losing the boyish look and a little beard might hide that. Oh yeah I wouldn't go for the mountain man thing lol, just a little stoner type chin thing or at most the lower face only
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/18 04:32 PM
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True yeah I can see it clashing, even 18 year old guys are probably somewhat masculine and fit into more traditional gender roles in your area. I have to wonder if I was conditioned the other way seeing fem guys all the time? It's interesting though that I never thought badly about aging or gaining masculinity. In fact lots of older and/or manlier guys I thought were cool growing up, when I was 10 I wasn't thinking "fine lines are gross". I think it's just when I started noticing me myself sligh…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 04:05 PM
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I sometimes forget it goes back that far since I didn't hear about it much until like 09. Most of the 2000s were actually pretty masc compared to now. That's true I'm sure soyboy guys like me who use skincare and stuff wouldn't be that accepted in deep red states. Its somewhat more liberal but lots of places still are attached to more traditional gender roles
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 03:56 PM
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That's true, it actually compliments the metrosexual vibe these days. I definitely think a well kept one looks better than a wild ZZ Top or duck dynasty untamed beard?lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 10:48 PM
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That's a good description. I looked up David and think he looks way better with some stubble
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 10:45 PM
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Yeah I think me being 12-13 at the height of Leo and boy bands could've exaggerated my idea of what a sexy/desirable guy was, but it sorta changed with me. Now that more women I know (close to my age) are into manlier dudes, it makes sense. Harry is mid 20s now, are you sure it's not more for how he was in like 2013? The rest of the 1D guys like Zayn have become a little edgier looking compared to the "what makes you beautiful" era
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 10:43 PM
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Interesting, maybe the fact they were so saturated and overexposed turned you off to guys like that lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 10:34 PM
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Good point, like it's more unique than a clean shaven guy lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 06:04 PM
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Gotta agree with you. Are you familiar with Hasan Piker from the young turks? He's got a full beard and it looks really cool on him imo
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 06:02 PM
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There's not that many bands period lol. Mostly pop and hip hop solo stars. It's weird how some music becomes timeless (Beatles, etc) while others are pretty much only cared about by their original fans. There's gotta be way more teenage Zeppelin fans than BSB fans
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 05:59 PM
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That's pretty cool tbh, it's probably certain things about one attract you then certain things about the other. Lumbersexuals are a great mix of both lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 11:55 PM
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Good food for thought man, thanks. Guess it stems from kinda low self-esteem issues, then again i know I'll look ridiculous trying to be a 40 year old twink in several years lol. My posts like this are also for other guys who might kinda feel the way I do. Yeah I never thought of older gay dudes persuading their young bfs to dress or look a certain way. Kinda like how old straight guys run Hollywood so certain dynamics are biased in movies (like the young woman/way older guy romantic pairing).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 11:54 PM
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Pop culture honestly seems to influence it. Whenever there's a new crop of teen idols getting popular it shifts back, though these days it's more depending on the person.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 11:47 PM
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Yeah you pretty much would have to be a rapper or work in the arts to even have face tats in the first place lol. That's personally too extreme for me too plus I've got low pain tolerance. I totally feel what you mean too. Like groomed but not the spending 3 hours getting ready kinda guy either lol. I'd say most guys are in-between the two extremes now too
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 11:45 PM
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Oh yeah forgot about Shawn, he's hella handsome. Speaking of boybands, I think 1D the way they look now (especially Zayn who's got a beard) is great. Like still very youthful but more like grown ass men compared to 2012
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 11:40 PM
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Great insight, that's so true everyone's different. Yeah it makes sense for you to think beards are nasty, especially if you're not used to dudes you know having them lol. Personally I think the duck dynasty looking unkempt ones are gross, especially on middle-aged guys. A little hipster stubble can look pretty awesome and some young guys can rock it but it depends. I connect really well with older women (45-55ish) and I kinda wonder if they're more attracted to me too, since the metro nonthreat…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 09:11 PM
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Nice, do you think like a little chin stubble on an otherwise fem face looks good?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 09:03 PM
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True, like BSB and NSYNC have aged with their fans in a way (though Joey's looking a little rough now lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 09:02 PM
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Your view probably makes more sense than mine lol. I think I just came across some of the early TRP blogs of middle-aged dudes wanting to pick up younger women under 25, then I'd seen some hostility around here towards women (especially older ones, like calling them post wall) so I lumped it all together incorrectly. Yeah I think almost any of us at one time or another can relate to feeling like shit if girls we like don't like us back. I just get low self-esteem about myself and jealous of hott…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/18 07:27 PM
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Disagree from continued experience. Sure it's not gonna make a leather glove wrinkled face look like a boyband member, but it definitely has a minute effect especially if you keep up with it. It's about fending off free radicals at night with creams, getting rid of dead skin cells on top by exfoliating, and yeah sunscreen is king. Need to wear that even inside if you're exposed to sunlight
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 08:49 PM
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Yeah 2006 was the first social media year with Myspace and YouTube being huge (or by late 05) so someone born 1988 would be like the first to have it in high school. Someone born 93 would've had it all through their teens
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 08:30 PM
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I was in an LDR in my early 20s and even though we were pretty open with talking about sex and all, being that I'm feminist she had to really push me to do anything and I'd never initiate since I wanted to be 💯 sure she wanted me to. It was really hard (no joke intended lol) for me but I worked up to it and usually just sent suggestive ones since she liked those too. No matter how horny you are I could never imagine sending my dick to a woman who didn't want it, even worse to a total stranger
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 05:09 PM
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Just for basis, I think Millennials 1982 - 1997 but with a heavier leaning on 90s babies. 80s babies, the elder statesman millennials (like me) still have some retro Gen X vibe and just seem to be a different era and it manifests in relating to TRP if they're more conservative? In my experience most young men born in the 90s (aside from alt right dorks) are way more respectful and feminist so they likely aren't into what trp espouses (except the working out/self improvement thing, which is like …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 04:48 PM
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I disagree that it has no effect. It's not a miracle cure and you're right that smoking is garbage which will ruin your skin, but beauty products (especially if you continuously use them) will keep your skin moisturized/hydrated and that's a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 11:54 PM
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One of my favorite YouTubers (Kyle Kulinski of secular talk) is 30 and I noticed in a video he's got some light nasolabial folds (about as much as I do) and he's really handsome, so that made me feel a bit better! He's also still young looking (mid 20s ish) but probably now a little more man than kid imo. The thing is you don't want to look like a 20 year old's dad that's the gold standard to me. Older than them sure, but like a big brother
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 11:31 PM
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I do understand your point and I can agree the rougher manlier look can work for some men, but others just look awkward with it. I guess it suits badass guys better? Leo in his 30s could still look pretty good when he was cleaned up but whenever he was in roles playing a professional type, he seemed like it genuinely fit and he no longer seemed like a teen playing dress up lol. Now though it's like he totally lets himself go. Granted he's lived more than I will in 💯 lifetimes and is filthy rich …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 11:21 PM
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I'll give you that, there's (for example) fat dudes with beautiful women sometimes. They probably just are really funny, extroverted, good heart and hella personable so it's able to make up for not having the best looks
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 11:09 PM
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Kate is his age and she still looks youthful and vibrant, if he wasn't royalty she'd probably dump his ass, I wouldn't be surprised if she fantasizes about hotter guys, especially young guys
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 11:05 PM
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Yeah, at some point even all that won't preserve you, even if you can slow the aging process down somewhat you can't be a teen idol at 50 lol. It's a hard adjustment if you're so used to it, but just looking good for your age and leaving young women alone is the best you can do
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 02:29 AM
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I think it's sorta possible for some if you're overweight then hit the gym or nerds who came out of their shell, but that stuff is possible to do when younger too lol. I also feel like hard/tough jacked guys can pull off the masculine look in their 30s better, but those ex teen idol fem guys like me are gonna have it rough lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 02:14 AM
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I forget how hot he used to be in the early 2000s. Granted he's got more money than I'll probably see in 10 lifetimes but I feel bad for him how bad he let his looks slide
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 02:10 AM
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Yeah but Steve is a celebrity and we're not lol. He's funny and seems to have a good personality, it might not be the same if he was a regular dude on the street
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 02:06 AM
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Yeah I don't get these trp guys deluding themselves. Even a cool and good looking 35 year old won't hold a candle to a college dude based on looks alone. Even though I still look somewhat young for my age (people guess like 25-28) I'd feel gross for being attracted to any women who wasn't at least mid 20s. Most cisgender dudes don't use skincare which is why women age better usually imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 02:02 AM
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I'm an outlier probably but I think women in their 40s and 50s are awesome/beautiful. I've been into moms/older women since I was a kid. I'd feel like a creep (and I would be) if I ever liked anyone under 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 01:42 AM
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Agreed. There's a reason boybands and fresh faced teen idol guys have always been and always will be considered sexy. Late 90s Leo DiCaprio or 1D in 2012 etc. It's not just college age young women either, what about the Twilight moms? I'm 33 and looked young for a hella long time (up til 27-28 people thought I was 19 or something) but in the last few years I've noticed even with a rigorous skincare routine and avoiding the sun as much as I can, I'm undeniably still hitting the wall. Perhaps a bi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 01:24 AM
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That's perfect to me too. Yeah there's good and bad youthful. Bad young might be like doesn't want to work and just fucks around playing video games all day lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 05:17 PM
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It'd annoy me too, just like the OP because I want it to be a real connection or a feeling. I mean I like when anyone's chill and friendly but don't be fake.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 01:28 AM
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Lol yeah it's all different for everyone. What about just a faux hawk maybe?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:52 PM
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OP as a fellow punk and rock music fan I'd love to meet edgy older chicks from the 80s-earlier 90s who are still like that (in their 40s 50s now) and I feel like I'm in the same boat as you. I've always shaved and been clean cut too, hoping it would keep me looking like a teen idol boy band type but I'm 33 and I'm also wondering if it has a similar effect and makes me look like a boring conservative guy more recently too? Have you tried growing just a little facial hair like a stoner style chin …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:05 PM
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I feel you on that. I think most of us are younger at heart now and the goalposts of adulthood have changed even since the 90s, so there's still a noticeable difference in a few years (even a young 31 year old will seem older than 26, since that's younger than it used to be too). Yeah Sarandon is gorgeous (also love that she's a vocal Bernie supporter). That 45 year old lady I mentioned also seemed way young for her age (still went clubbing) and probably wants to stay young too so even at 30 I w…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:52 PM
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Oh wow kandy I thought you were like 20 (don't get mad at me lol, you just seem to have a young vibe but that's cool). Apologize if I'm asking anything too personal, but since you prefer slightly younger guys do you think you always will? This lady around 45 I crushed on a couple years ago really seemed to like me but flirted with early 20s dudes more, which was my first clue I was a little past my prime. Lmao yeah, can't deny that I probably should go to therapy. Just sucks how I was a shyer ki…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 05:55 PM
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Wish I had the confidence to have your attitude man, props to you for being laid back about it all. Sounds like you guys are both cool with it. I generally prefer older women, but I would like to have an LTR again and get married, and it's unfortunately just less likely with a 50 year old lady. At 33 I figure 25-45 is pretty age appropriate and I've sometimes had feelings for friends but they're out of my league I think
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 05:12 PM
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Yeah you can't win everyone over of course lol. I did hear a lady in her 50s I like saying she wanted a boytoy under 30 but I shouldn't take a couple outliers to heart
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 05:01 PM
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Yes and no. I mean not everyone even goes on social media all the time and even still, you don't know how you're gonna click (or perhaps not lol) with someone face to face. If I find out somebody's a Trump supporter or have some all lives matter memes I'll usually be like "ugh fuck that" and won't even want to get to know them, but if you already bond first then I feel like it's easier to forgive or overlook, I just avoid talking about politics lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 04:56 PM
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True, I feel like that stuff is easier to overlook if people already like you. Most people do but I really take it to heart when someone doesn't, I shouldn't but I guess it's the nature of the beast lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 02:10 AM
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It's all good, I know I must sound kinda cheesy sometimes, but I'm just insecure about being into the 80s and fear it makes me seem older or that people might think I was around then (I was but on the cusp, I wouldn't lump a 4 year old of 1989 in with the Goonies kids or something but some ignorant people probably would lol) I'm more nuanced than I come across as I swear. There's people I like whom I barely discuss pop culture surface shit with, I just get afraid that women who might like me wil…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 01:33 AM
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That's a great point, a young looking 30+ guy almost certainly is putting some effort into it (working out, skincare etc). I'm almost 35 which is scaring me bad, but I guess taking care of myself is better than not doing so!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 01:18 AM
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Nice to hear man, makes me feel better! That's true, attraction can be weird and sometimes we'll even fall for someone we normally wouldn't if we really click with them. A couple years ago this 19 year old girl where I worked kept talking to me and flirting but when I mentioned my age (31 then) she suddenly avoided me like the plague. It kinda hurt but I understood. I just fear some cougars probably prefer early 20s guys to me too. Yeah it's way more common to be a nerd and to like retro things …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 01:14 AM
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I'm 100% with the principal of dollar store and bargain shopping. I splurge on some things but for stuff that works just as well, no need to throw money away
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 01:01 AM
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I'm all for everyone doing their own thing, but dude I'm serious those exfoliating face masks feel amazing, so does serum (personally I've got oily af skin so I need certain ones).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 12:59 AM
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I agree, women honestly age better on average. There's a 29 year old woman at work I could've sworn was 18-20. I can't think of many 30s women who act or look like middle-aged "can I speak to the manager" mom's lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 12:56 AM
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As a male feminist myself, I think it often goes hand in hand with being liberal/progressive and not wanting people like Kavanaugh to get away with it, so that's where the visible outrage comes from. I don't deny some men do play the feminism card to try to get laid, but (just as a hypothetical) even if I found out some woman I liked would sleep with me if I acted TRP and manly, I'd still be feminist because it's legit authentically how I feel inside
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 05:11 PM
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True, I still think it's better than the "creepy uncle bozo ring" but it doesn't look good on some guys either. If I ever lose any hair I'm vain enough I'll probably do hair club for men or something lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 12:39 AM
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It exists and to some extent (even subconsciously) we all have it, I mean you have to feel at least a little attracted to someone lol. I think it's just that if you're lucky enough to be in a position to get to know someone or bond with them to where they can see the real you, sometimes they can look past it. Like the stereotypical fat average looking dudes who just are hella funny and outgoing and have gorgeous wives. Of course this will usually only work with an extroverted average guy. Shy or…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 05:39 PM
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Ewww, he looks like Meloni's character (the creepy truck driver) in the 2004 Harold and Kumar movie! He looks old enough to be that girl's grandpa, I hope this shit's not for real!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 04:27 AM
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Not him personally, but its the principle of it all that's offensive. The message Republicans have sent to girls/women that have been raped or abused, that "your pain and your feelings don't matter" and if you're a white straight cis man in power, you can get away with anything. Even the sexual assaults aside, he's a horrible person and totally incompetent who shouldn't be anywhere near a position of power (supports NSA spying, anti-choice to the point of wanting to overturn Roe v Wade, against …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 04:25 AM
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That's always a good attitude, life's way too damn short. Around 75-80 is when it wouldn't be unexpected to die of old age, so late 30s is literally half that
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 12:02 AM
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Yeah huge H&O fan. Their songs were still pretty recent when I was a kid, so they've always been one of my favorites. The deeper hits (Possession Obsession, Adult Education, Did it in a Minute etc) are actually better than the big ones to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 11:59 PM
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As an 80s fan I gotta comment that Daryl Hall in the Maneater music video (the pic here) was pretty handsome. This pic was in a kinda bad angle but he was 35 in 1982 and looked great
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 09:23 PM
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Nice that's ideal of course. Yeah it's sobering that we all hitting the wall and while we can slow it down, can't completely preserve ourselves no matter what. I think simply knowing we're all on this ride together makes it somewhat easier to accept
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 09:20 PM
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That too lol. Shaving it all looks a bit better but white guys with a shiny cue ball still looks kinda middle-aged
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 08:41 PM
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Say it ain't so, I actually agree with a red pill guy! It's probably far less awkward when you're both in the working world and at that point even if there's some pop culture differences and stuff it's more common shared experience as opposed to the bigshot 35 year old corporate office worker and a 19 year old extroverted college student. That's where it's creepy to me. Being the best you can be is a good idea for anything and anyone. Even in my opposite case wanting to attract cougars
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 08:10 PM
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So many don't give a shit about a skincare routine and using sunscreen, it's fucking sad and catches up with you by 40 or even 30
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 07:24 PM
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Perhaps unpopular opinion but I think it's better to be slightly chubby since it smooths out the lines. A little paunch and still relatively youthful face and hands is better than jacked muscles and super fit and a thin waist at the cost of a rugged wrinkled face looking like someone's middle-aged dad.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 07:22 PM
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I think the fact that most men don't have a skincare routine or even go outside without using sunscreen makes us age worse on average. Almost every white guy gets a dad look by 40 and sometimes as young as early mid 30s. That said I think it depends HOW you look too. If you're already kind of a badass and masculine looking when young, then getting a few fine lines (ie nasolabial folds or crows feet) may not look as awkward since it'll compliment the harder rugged look. If you were a fresh faced …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 07:17 PM
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It's all good man I figured as much lol, I know there tends to be a dislike of older and/or feminist women around these parts but I think they rock
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 06:59 PM
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Seriously? I recently kinda caught feelings for my 28 year old friend only 5 years difference (probably the youngest I'd be attracted to), and even that feels a teeny bit awkward. Maybe most men are alright with being the dominant or dad figure or leader but that's everything I don't want to be. Helps that I love older women!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 06:42 PM
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Upvoted, this 💯 based on everything I've seen and observed. You said exactly what I was thinking but way better lol. The rare exceptions are probably either for really organically youthful fun guys who don't look their age, or maybe like a dude connected to the club or music or drug scene. A boring 35-45 year old dude who looks and acts his age though? Probably not a chance, and taking advantage of very young women with daddy issues (who might've been abused or neglected) is fucking nasty and wr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 05:44 PM
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My biggest question to those mid 30s+ guys who do is why? Why are you okay with being a dad/adult figure and not a relative equal to them? Doesn't it hurt your feelings and self confidence to get lumped in with the older generations, or at the very least feel awkward AF to have this huge disconnect in what you liked in childhood or just shared experience? I'm lucky I'm not into early 20s women, even if I was I'd learn to live without it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 04:20 PM
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This is 2018 not 1958, money alone isn't that important anymore. In fact women on average are more educated than us! Having stuff in common like pop culture and references, being able to have the guy mingle in their social group and just be carefree doing fun shit together is more important imo. Even a good looking and cool 50 year old (or hell even a 30-35 year old) won't hold a candle to a 22 year old guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 04:05 PM
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Thanks for speaking truth. Would you agree fresh faced guys look best, like 1997 Leo in Titanic or any boy band members? I looked like that til I was 27 or 28 (33 now). I keep telling people it's no coincidence I get treated somewhat different now. Less heads turning and flirting, less people starting conversation, get called sir more often etc. I hate imagining several more years down the road at 40 or 45.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 04:45 PM
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I know plenty of women born 82-84 that don't have any wrinkles or hardly any signs of aging. I think those "can I speak to the manager" women are at least 45+ not 35 now.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 04:28 PM
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I'm fine with that bro, its actually a compliment lol. I do get a little neurotic about it and I'm a good sport being able to be self depricating but I do take it very seriously. I can already see at least small positive differences with a good regimen.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 04:21 PM
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Thanks nevomint, lol yeah I know it might be vain but I like not looking worn out
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 04:18 PM
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Born 1985 and I feel personally attacked lol, I miss when saying born in the 80s sounded young
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 01:31 AM
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I always thought women anywhere from 10-30 years older than me were awesome. I agree men deny that so many of us slam headfirst into the wall around 30-35 too, especially if you're white and/or a former fresh faced teen idol type (check both for me). I'm 33 and fighting it hard with religious skincare and avoiding the sun as much as possible, but I was definitely hotter/cuter 10 years ago
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 01:11 AM
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I agree especially when they throw other women under the bus. Probably just from being raised in super strict religious environments, but still I'm like "this affects YOU too" lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 09:46 PM
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That's pretty awesome about that dude at school, are you still close with him? Yeah I guess it's the opposites attract thing going. Personally I find I'm cool with differences if I know upfront (and as long as we connect on some things). What can be rough is when I click with a woman and then later find out she's fairly conservative and doesn't see important issues like I do, but I try to look at the positives or just don't talk about politics lol. I'd agree with you too, I bet my crush was like…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 09:42 PM
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Great point, it's like they defend men automatically. I wonder if it's conditioning from growing up in a more "traditional gender roles" and religious environment
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 12:59 AM
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Oh even when I was a "kid kid" in the 90s I said stupid shit like how boys would call each other fags, I never would now though. I don't feel like things are that different now it's just we can all communicate and share experiences so the world seems smaller. I was a hornball teenager too (who isn't lol) but I'd never do anything like that!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 09:42 PM
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Politics aside, both young and modern Kav look like a dork lol. I actually sorta see what you're saying, is it because conservative women tend to be more aggressive themselves so they reject feminism? Still don't know why they'd think themselves as subservient or inferior to men though? Personally I stand with and believe Dr Ford, but even the sexual allegations aside he's a horrible guy we need to keep far away from a position of power in the surpreme court. He's for NSA spying, opposes net neu…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 09:30 PM
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Some definite truth in the OP's post. It'd be a better world if everyone period tried to understand and empathize with others. It's even tougher if you don't feel like your gender but because you are that gender you still get treated like a cis. That can make it harder to be accepted into women's friend groups and be " one of the girls" because of the *built in assumption that you're trying to fuck them when you're really not. (If I was actually born a girl, that's one barrier I wouldn't have.) …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 06:12 PM
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I honestly hate being a guy, especially a borderline middle-aged one specifically for reasons like this. I guess we're just perceived to be more threatening
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 09:31 PM
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Yeah I mean idk why it's that way but it does somehow give a different vibe and social construct when a guy does it. Maybe it's because we don't expect guys to say stuff like that, but when women do it we think of a Southern waitress in a Cafe (goes right along with "bless your heart").
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 07:08 PM
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OP, I have to respond because I freaking love when women call me that, whether I'm attracted to them or not (but its more awesome when I am). It makes me feel still young/youthful, cute and just likable. My supervisor who's my age (33) calls me hon/babe and stuff and I love it so much. She's awesome and beautiful though obviously I'd never flirt back just because it'd be awkward and inappropriate. I'll give her general compliments and like talking to her but that's it. As for whether there's a g…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 04:35 PM
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I'm generally a little confused as to whether female TRP means for them, or does it mean supporting/being attracted to TRP men? The first one I could totally see if it's all about doing your own thing and putting yourself first, or dating hooking up casually. The latter would totally surprise me since why would anyone want to be marginalized, viewed as a sex object (calling them plates makes me cringe) or to never have the dude's full attention if he's playing the field? Then again there ARE fem…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 01:06 AM
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Great analogy and I agree. Yeah being a tribal absolutist isn't cool no matter whom its directed at. Those are the tryhards just hoping to get laid imo
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 12:43 AM
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Thanks that makes perfect sense. I'd actually say if you're a guy screaming about feminism just in hoping it'll get you laid, that you're really not a feminist. You're not much different than the stereotypical douchebags, you just have a different approach. In a way it's even worse cause at least the Chads are honest about it. For me (and hopefully many other guys) I think it's more simply about morals we're consistent with and not to impress anyone
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 10:57 PM
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If you watch talk shows people have called Steve Wilkos one, and he's as badass and manly as anybody. He sticks up for women in abusive situations which I think is honorable
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 10:37 PM
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Ah yeah that's a fucked up thing to do (unless it's an emergency where somebody's getting physically hurt), but nosey people who butt into everything are annoying no matter what
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 10:24 PM
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Very true I can't argue with that. Even in a long term loving marriage though women still gotta have some attraction to their guys
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 10:29 PM
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Just my neurotic ass being insecure lol. Probably 8 times out of 10 I'm cool, it's the other 2 times where things don't go well I take it to heart too much (that's human nature for some reason, to focus on the negative instead of the positives).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/18 07:59 PM
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Just not my style bro, I don't know how to navigate that especially since I'm still a big kid at heart and I like to goof around (though I'm serious too) and also kinda feel like one of the girls. If I had to look like that though, maybe a tatted up rapper/rockstar type would be kinda cool? When I'm 45- 50 and completely look like a "dad" I'll probably evolve into that
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/18 06:54 PM
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I totally agree. Harry is way hotter than I've ever been lol (or most guys) but I definitely look more his style than the rock. I actually have had women friends say I'm like a "safe" friend/brother type of dude rather than a romantic interest. I probably give off that vibe since I don't outwardly flirt (even if I'm attracted to them), which is fine with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/18 06:50 PM
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For a basketball player its on the short side lol, but I mean compared to women who are like 5'2 I don't want them to find me towering and masculine lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/18 06:45 PM
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Which part lol? I can say that experience (even if it was just pretending) made me seriously fear going bald! The difference in how people treated me was night and day
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/18 05:55 PM
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Hey now lol, I'm definitely not asexual bro, I just don't want to be a scary looking manly man (I'm not knocking it if others like it, it's just not my thing for me personally). Okay for a little comparison, when I was 22 I briefly had my head shaved for a play I was in (I was a theater major lol). Even with a totally fresh boyband face no lines or wrinkles whatsoever, it still made me look 30-35 and people treated me way different. I had sexual interest from older ladies which rocked but it ult…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/18 04:50 PM
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In your experience who tend to go for them? I just know when I was a kid in the 90s, guys like Jonathan Taylor Thomas, Leo, and BSB/NSYNC were so hot and desired by girls of all ages.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/18 04:41 PM
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Pretty boys by nature just don't age well since we looked best as teens. Then again it varies with everybody which confuses me even more lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/18 04:35 PM
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Sounds pretty awesome to me. I just wish I wasn't tall, I feel like that's borderline intimidating (5'11)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/18 04:33 PM
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For the record there's plenty of hella cool manly men who are friendly dudes with great personalities and everything, I just feel like at first glance it could be intimidating to strangers. For me it wouldn't be worth some women being attracted to me if it meant I looked scary. I don't want that lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/18 04:31 PM
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Maybe using extremes like 90s Leo vs Duck Dynasty were bad examples lmao, but it's something interesting to me as I've heard many women over 30 or especially over 40 tend to appreciate manlier men. Of course it's good to feel desirable but I'd rather be a fun easily approachable dude people want to be friends with
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/18 04:28 PM
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True I'm 33 and it seems like the semi androgynous thing isn't working quite as well anymore. It's just been me for so long I can't suddenly switch it up and become The Rock
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/18 04:24 PM
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There's definitely overlap and of course both are ideal lol, but if its a choice between looking like The Rock (he's a cool guy but not my style lol) and having women want me, or being cute but not romantically attractive, give me the latter anyday
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/18 04:23 PM
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He's not that liberal lmao. Good personality, but he exploded the for profit prison population, gutted welfare, supported war etc. And yes he's a creep too. Maybe he didn't do anything to a kid/teenager but I'll agree he's bad too
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/18 12:50 AM
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Like I said even though I love Bernie I'd feel the same way if it was him or another progressive guy who did this. Does seem to be pervasive in the good ol boy conservative religious circles though. Roy Moore and Trump come to mind. Women have nothing to gain by coming forward (other than shame and harassment, plus the emotional pain of reliving the experience). I'd rather believe them and be on the safe side
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/18 12:42 AM
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There's all sorts of reasons women may not come forward. Being scared, thinking it was their fault (kids can really internalize this sadly), being their word against his if the guy was in a position of power etc. There's also strength in numbers. Once Cosby was exposed that really was the turning point where women realized they're not alone and can feel safe coming forward about these creeps. The metoo movement and social media letting us all connect in a way we couldn't in the 80s 90s or even m…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/18 11:02 PM
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When I lost like 35lbs on a diet and workout 3 years ago, co-workers friends and everyone else who knew me complimented me but to people I met after that (who didn't have the fatter me to compare with lol) there wasn't much difference. At 33 it's soul crushing when some people kinda defer to me more now (ie calling me sir) because I want to be cute nonthreatening and casual where people feel cool being themselves around me. As I've mentioned I don't get flirted with as often either. This stuff s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/18 09:49 PM
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Exactly dude. I'd say some can push it to late 20s but even by then it's fading a little. Wouldn't you agree guys like 1997 Leo have the best of both worlds because they're dudes but also nonthreatening, so girls can fuck them and hang out with them like they're one of the girls? It sucks how masculinity makes our faces rougher with age. I actually got mistaken for a girl as a teenager bc I had the androgynous look too. Still kinda do but I've hit the wall for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/18 09:33 PM
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Nice, makes me feel better. I wonder if this stereotype is blown out of proportion by porn lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/18 01:56 AM
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That's good advice for anyone. Metabolism does start slowing around my age. Clothes and hair are pretty good. Funny is I'm self conscious about a mini belly but afraid if I lose it I'll develop face lines more.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/18 01:54 AM
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I'm born in 85 but anytime in the 80s is too damn close for comfort lol. I'm basically in agreement with you how us guys look best around 20. It's weird how we're living so much longer when our brains are still largely wired like our ancestors, we're not designed to live to 90 years old. I was looking over tons of young Leo DiCaprio videos and pics, he was 22 in Titanic and still looked hot and pretty much the same until about 2005 but after 30 time hit him like a truck. If he'd died young he'd …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/18 01:49 AM
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Second point I'll give you. Ladies born in 1965 or something seemed more adultish back in 2000, guess I was just used to me and everyone else having 50 year old parents as teens. Teens might be a stretch but I'm telling you the 36 y/o has barely changed since high school. She probably looks like 24
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/18 05:29 PM
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Damn that's crazy, especially if she was really wild in her college days. Almost all women I know up to early 40s aren't mommish, then again I'm from the SF Bay Area (which is fairly trendy and liberal) so maybe people tend to act and look younger here compared to most of the US?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 05:45 AM
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I was just wired differently. I don't want to be the "man" or the leader of the relationship/friendship which may explain why I feel that way and don't dig younger women (3 years younger is fine but not 10 or 15 lol). Different strokes though dude, I understand you're the majority and I'm not.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 02:56 AM
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My mom had me at 29 and most of the other kids had moms about that age too, also had two elderly grandmas so I guess its hard for me to see past my own experience. Gotta remind myself that having a kid in your early 20s (and becoming a grandparent at like 43) isn't at all uncommon.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 02:53 AM
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This is true. Some people just look more mature, its interesting how people around 30 can look like teens OR sorta middle-aged depending on the individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 01:49 AM
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Nice, that gives me some hope man. I worked with a lady in her 50s a few years ago I had a huge crush on and she was outwardly into younger guys, so I was always afraid I wasn't as hot to her as the early 20s dudes since I was just turning 30. She's probably an outlier though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 01:26 AM
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Oh okay I see what you're saying now, just being in different working and social environments would mean they wouldn't interact as much. Plus I think there's a tendency to just lump all older people together without differentiating as much, maybe a 21 year old would think a 31 year old was a "mom" figure even if she's not old enough to actually be his mom, just because maybe she's got a career and a house (things his parents' age have too).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 01:24 AM
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Well yeah that's gone on forever, high schoolers in TV and movies are almost always played by like 24 year olds. There's only so many hours a minor can work which I think is one reason they do it. Ferris Bueller's friend Cameron (Alan Ruck) was 30 in that movie but he looked hella young so it worked.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 01:15 AM
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Good point. I guess it's tough for me to see past my own insecurities and biases. Gotta admit though, when stuff like that starts happening to your peers, its a huge signal that you're not young anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 01:08 AM
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Yeah cougar is probably a better word in context since the "mom" thing is what's throwing everyone off. To be fair when I was 12 I thought of 30 year old women as grown ups and cougars. Younger grownups but still, so I guess I'm mad at my younger self too lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 01:07 AM
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True lol, although I'm still self conscious about the hotter 20-25 year old dudes who probably will catch their eye before me. I'm getting those nasal folds (light but you can kinda tell they're there) which signal that I'm past my prime too now.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 01:04 AM
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I guess its because a few fine lines or extra weight (on women) isn't a turnoff to me. I sure af don't want age on myself, but it doesn't bother me when women have it. 60-65 might start getting to the point of losing attraction but even then I can recognize some of them are still pretty. Lots of baby boomer women born in the 1940s were gorgeous throughout the 90s and even 2000s.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 01:01 AM
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It's just weird dude. Even Millennial women are now "moms" to teenage boys instead of like around their age. I don't want to grow up (or for my age group to lol).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 12:51 AM
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It's not just her though man, I've met or seen (on TV or whatever) many many women in their 40s and 50s over the years who seem vibrant and young for their age. Not saying they look or seem 22, but they're very beautiful and not wrinkled or saggy or worn out.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 12:50 AM
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Absolutely sadly. I guess I'll never understand that line of thinking because I don't have it myself lol. Shit I was one of those kids who wanted the teachers to be my Valentine on Valentine's Day, instead of one of the little girls in my class lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 12:48 AM
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Little kids not high school/early 20s lol. It makes me feel like part of the older generation when women my age are called cougars/MILFs, like we're "the adults" and not relevant anymore. Millennials aren't supposed to get old damnit! lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 12:46 AM
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Why though do you think? Is it because so many 20 year olds probably have parents who are only like 37 instead of 50ish? Late Gen Xers/early Millennials were fucking like rabbits and the teen pregnancy rate was way bigger back in the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 12:35 AM
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It's not literal though. An 18 year old single mom isn't what comes to mind with the term, it means someone who could logically be the mom of a teenage or early 20s dude so that would make 40s check out. Early 50s is pushing it but still maybe a bit
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 12:31 AM
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I shouldn't have included the porn example dude, my bad. ​ But its just when I was a teenager (98-04) MILFs and cougars meant ladies in their 40s to us, but its been lowered to 30s now. Millennial women aren't milfs dude. One of my friends is born in 1982 and still looks like a teenager practically, another born in '84 still goes out clubbing all the time and has a daughter in HS who gets mistaken for her sister.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 12:30 AM
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I don't get you guys bro, I really don't. Since I was a kid I thought women in their 40s were freaking gorgeous and awesome in general. I know tons who are still vibrant and youthful where you'd never guess they were 45-50. Regular women too, not celebrities. I know I'm outnumbered, but why do people think 40 = saggy and aging like milk? If anything that's us. I'm 33 and get less female attention than I did at 23 or even 28.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 12:26 AM
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Shannon Tweed was 42 when American Pie came out so I guess that checks out. 50 is the upper end of mom territory but I think it still is. If you're 20 you could easily have 50 year old parents, especially if you weren't their first child
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 12:24 AM
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Same. Like I get if you're a horny 14 year old boy (I've been one too lmao) thinking even 28 is kinda "mommish" but thing is I've heard early 20s dudes refer to 35 year old women as MILFs and that's hurtful.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 12:22 AM
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My 48 year old friend (and massive crush) looks early-mid 30s max and would have no problem getting romantic and sexual interest if she was single.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 12:21 AM
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Well the porn thing is a bad example (and even then it's like 28 year old women playing the role of a 45 year old teacher), but my point stands that it seems to skew way younger now and that's upsetting to me. When women my age are called cougars it hurts my feelings and makes me feel like part of the older generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 12:20 AM
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Yeah but it's more about his fame status and money than his looks. If 2018 Leo was a regular dude he wouldn't get any of those girls probably. On the other hand 1997 Leo could've been working at McDonald's and he'd still have gotten women of every age swooning for him. I was 12 when Titanic hit and believe me girls were freaking in love with him then, just like Twilight and Jonas Bros in '09 or Bieber and 1D in 2012.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 12:17 AM
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OP don't do it. It's tempting and that would be a hella nice confidence boost, but if it were me I couldn't live with myself knowing I hurt that other guy and just did something wrong. I've had married/taken women flirt with me a little before (but never be that forward) and even that gives me mixed feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 07:57 PM
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Freud was smart but he was a messed up dude too, lol. Truth is though ever since I was a kid I just liked "moms" and mature older women. It wasn't just sexual or anything either, I really loved talking to and learning stuff from them. More than a few buddies at school I'd go over to their house and end up pretty much ditching them to hang out with their moms, which was kinda fucked up lol, but still. ​ And about judging, first impressions can sometimes be wrong. I wouldn't immediately think "oh …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 07:48 PM
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I guess to some of them getting laid and being seen with them is so important they can overlook the emotional aspect. I don't know how it wouldn't hurt deep inside to be used though. I couldn't possibly be romantically or sexually attracted to someone who didn't feel it for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 07:43 PM
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Unless you're Doc Brown from Back to the Future with a mind reader device, you wouldn't know I was thinking that lol. And that sounds good dude. I'm only attracted to women at very least late 20s anyway. In fact last year I ended up sorta having a thing for this girl I thought was like 30 but when I found out she was only 23 I felt sick with myself lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 07:41 PM
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I'd obviously mind my own business in public since it IS none of my or anyone else's business lol, I'd just be like "damn that's kinda...off putting", but I honestly don't see it much anyway. Maybe I do but the guys just look younger so I don't realize it. The first time a 19ish year old girl called me "sir" a couple years ago at 31 I died a little inside lol, I can't imagine dating one but you do you man.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 07:27 PM
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Honestly my one Conservative view is that might not be a bad idea to raise it to like 21 or 23 etc, implimenting it would be hard since it would affect so many people already together. An ideal thing would be like a 2 or 3 year "buffer" where teens and early 20s people could be together and have sex, but that older people couldn't be with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 07:21 PM
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Yeah I googled some more pics and damn, Leo was hitting the wall gradually even then. The one '05 pic I saw was probably an exception. Gangs of NY (2002 age 27) might've been the end of his boyish Titanic good looks. Damn that's gotta be weird when even the chick's mom is younger than him. If I were him that alone would creep me out. From the surface it doesn't look as creepy since she does look older. Also if he were dating for marriage or serious relationships (but they just happened to be you…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 07:19 PM
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How old is that Chuando guy? He looks amazing, fit and youthful but he's probably an outlier. It's not just makeup because many of the 40s-50s-60s women I think are beautiful, I've seen without makeup and they still are stunning (maybe even moreso). Is it just the emphasis on skincare, or because men are still coasting on the "money and status will totally make young girls want me bro!" (like it might've worked for men in prior generations) and don't put any effort into preserving their youthful…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 07:16 PM
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Yep, both celebs and regular people. I see so many stunning and youthful women in their 40s 50s and even 60s. Men not nearly as much. Some can be handsome and even perhaps youthful for their age, but I've almost never seen a 45 year old white dude look like he could be 28-30.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 07:12 PM
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I'll agree with that. Depends on the individuals, but for an example my 31 year old friend at work has a 45 year old husband, which doesn't seem creepy or weird to me, I guess since she's a grown ass woman and they have a family together.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 07:10 PM
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Anyone can be a domestic abuser. It's way less common for women but that's not to say it never happens, of course no abuse is okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 07:09 PM
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That's a good point. I think most of us probably want to be loved for who WE are. I suppose if it's a sugar daddy thing where both people are ok with a transactional relationship thing it's cool, but I always want to ask the older guy, doesn't that just feel a little empty inside knowing she doesn't love you for you, is just using you for money?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 07:08 PM
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If you're black or Asian it might not be noticeable, or one of the few lucky white guys who aged well and don't SEEM 40ish people may not even really notice. It's when it seems noticeable that it tends to ick people out.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 07:06 PM
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Awesome. Yeah the 30s are that weird period where we're not quite middle-aged, but also not quite young adults anymore either. Depending who we're around we could seem a little of either. Yeah I feel super awkward around most 18-22 year olds and fear I'm giving off that "how do you do fellow kids" vibe, but 45+ year olds think I'm young it's bizarre. I always felt a huge bond with generation X and even some boomers because I'm really into classic rock and the past in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 02:10 AM
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Leo looked hot and pretty much like his late 90s self through 2005 (so right about 30) then started aging quick. With all his money you'd think he'd try a little harder to take care of himself, at least look presentable and good for his age. Idk maybe he's got a huge ego and thinks he can get anyone without even trying. He's always dating young women for casual hookups which is disturbing
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 01:57 AM
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That's true, I guess if she pursues him it's not as bad. Still though man, 18 is a high school teen how's that not awkward? Maybe in the 50s it seemed like more of a grown ass person but it's so young now
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 01:42 AM
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Well said. There's people who are naturally youthful and down with pop culture etc, but even then you have to kinda tone it down to not seem forced. Shit I'm 33 and sometimes I have to urban dictionary modern slang so, even as an older Millennial I'm losing touch. Yeah if you're like a hipster who likes retro stuff (which I did when I was younger) that seems better than a 40 year old trying too hard. Chris Rock said you don't wanna be that old guy in the club, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 01:37 AM
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Whether we agree with it or not though dude, we are perceived as being more threatening. Especially since most violent crime is committed by men. And when young women get perved on all the time probably, it'll sour her views on men, esp older ones
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 12:58 AM
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Also, if 66 year old Christine Baranski were single tomorrow I doubt she'd have much trouble finding a new boyfriend or husband. If you say celebrities aren't good examples, there's plenty of regular women who are gorgeous and interesting and youthful too
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 12:55 AM
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Reason I say that is the possible threat of physical or sexual violence (Joe Rogan talks about this sometimes too). The cougar thing is empowering as long as they're not breaking any laws. A 40 or even 30 year old dude pursuing a 19 year old carries a creep undertone.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 12:49 AM
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Agreed. I'm not a wrestling fan but I looked up Shawn and he's 53 looking every bit of it. That weathered look isn't attractive. The minority of handsome older guys are ones who don't look it
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 12:46 AM
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I know personal connections are the most important thing, but there's definitely something about relating to generational stuff. It's just awkward to be on either end of it not getting the other person's references and interests. It's best to stick with your own age group or at least relatively close (say within 10 years)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 12:41 AM
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Agreed OP. Guys look best when we're young and have the fresh boy band look too. How else do you explain 1997 Leo DiCaprio's popularity? When I was 12, girls and women of every age thought he was so hot, same with BSB and NSYNC. I honestly believe the "money and status" thing is overrated from past generations. Plus just being able to naturally relate to generational stuff easier and not seeming awkward with each other's friends/social groups. Age differences are more okay and less awkward once …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 12:34 AM
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That hurts as a 33 year old guy. I want milf's to be 50 not 30 (that's what Stifler's mom was), plus it makes me feel like part of the older generation when women my age get called cougars and mom's.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 12:19 AM
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I think most of us have a first crush LONG before we're teenagers lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/18 05:18 PM
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I'm a type II in the OP's post and I've always really been interested in older women since I was a kid (33 now). Romantically, as friends/mentors, and sexually attracted to them all at once. I like them being more experienced and worldly than me. Plus it's nice to have common ground with 80s music and stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/18 04:41 PM
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Yeah black dudes are really handsome even well into middle-age. Asians too. It's interesting how many even 30 year old women could still pass for teens, but very few white 30 year old men could.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 02:08 AM
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Yeah I think more men are gradually taking care of themselves as women do but the vast majority still don't. I've seen candids of women in their 40s even without makeup, and many still look youthful even with fine lines etc. Would you agree the older guys who do look good are the ones who don't look their age? (Which would prove SMV doesn't peak in the 30s lol.) Shit I saw a news story about a 28 year old guy working at the same hospital he was born with the nurse who delivered him, and he's sev…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 11:00 PM
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Well said, I'd even go a little further and say women age better. Will and Kate are the same age and he looks like her dad, while she still looks pretty vibrant and youthful. Beyonce turned 37 today and still slays. There are good looking/handsome dudes in their 30s 40s or even occasionally 50s but it's the exception not the norm. (Freakishly good genes, diet, skincare etc. but even they probably looked a bit better at 22.) Wrinkles, potbellies and baldness don't make guys hot, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 08:22 PM
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Prince William aged the worst out of all of them. I can't believe he was born in 1982, I'd say 1962 if I didn't know! Kate is the same age and they totally could pass for father and daughter, she still looks youthful just a little more mature. But men supposedly age like fine wine and women like milk, umm okay? lol ​ What's sad is that if a guy looks amazing when young (late 90s Leo DiCaprio, 2011 Bieber etc) there's really nowhere to go but down. If they try really hard (which lets face it most…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 04:44 PM
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Stay strong man, same for me in many ways. It's just emotionally tough not just with women and dating, but interacting with people in life overall. If there's any silver lining, I know its anecdotal but there's a 38 year old dude at my work I really admire. He's kind of lumbersexual, very youthful acting (he probably looks 27-30 or so) and fun. Only 5 years older than me and 12 than you but it still shows not all hope is lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 04:22 AM
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For sure man. I sometimes catch feelings for late 20s women and up to 55 or so lol. Would you agree its tough when you haven't accomplished as much in life as a "typical" person your age? Acting your age isn't only uncomfortable, it's in a way impossible because you haven't had the same life experiences. Maybe just shared pop culture and nostalgia but that's it. For people like us looking young is a security blanket we can't afford to lose. I just want people to treat me casually and like a cool…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 04:08 AM
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I always have such a mixed feeling towards these kind of threads because I 100% agree on the feeling, but disagree on the objective. ​ OP bro I feel you in many ways. I've made several threads about how I feel and act way younger than 33 and skincare like an MFer to ward off aging as much as possible. (Most people guess me to be anywhere from 24-28 so about your age.) What differs is I'm interested in cougars/older women, or at least women in my age group (lets just say 30s). ​ Even if you looke…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 03:49 AM
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Still better than being Gen X (1965-1984) where there's a generation difference on top of it and less in common. I agree with the points made about how they've been probably hit on and harassed so much by creepers they have a natural defense up. There's the potential threat of violence on top of it and sometimes it's a better safe than sorry thing. On the same token, any men who are awkward or unattractive get a shit roll of the dice due to no fault of their own even if they have a great persona…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 05:09 PM
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I'm so relieved there's this handsome and youthful 38 year old guy I work with that sorta fits that style (he doesn't color it though lol).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 12:08 AM
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I guess first impressions can somewhat override that, especially if there's already a connection. It's just tough man, I've been young for so long and it's only just starting to change. I shouldn't use that as an excuse not to get in shape though
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 12:06 AM
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I know bro, it's just I'm scared to work out and lose too much weight (I'm only maybe 25lbs overweight) out of fear it'll make my slight nasolabial folds deeper or my face less plumped up. I know I stress about this shit way too much, but I'd rather be unattractive and youthful, than attractive and looking 33 (my age).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 07:34 PM
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You make some valid points but I respectfully disagree with the first thing. Lots of women on here in their 20s (even later 20s) I've seen say old dudes over 30/35 are gross. Whether its perpetuated by being hit on by some, or if they simply look rugged and aging poorly and are unattractive to them anyway I'm not sure (though both are a good guess). You're right not every woman is into the fresh face boy band look, but I don't think most are into haggard cowboys either lol. Probably in between i…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 04:25 PM
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Great post blackedout. We probably don't agree on much, but props to you for that. I completely agree it depends on the individual and lots of life factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 03:42 AM
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You've got a point. I do think the classic "long haired musician with tats" look is kinda cool. That's one masculine look I could get behind and I'll probably do that within a few years once my youthful looks are totally gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 03:39 AM
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True, the Boomers got married at like 19 much of the time too probably.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 03:38 AM
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I've seen some studies put X as 65-79/80 and some that extend it to 1984 but never any later. The 9-11 thing might be a good marker, the oldest person who could be in high school would've been born in 84 or at most late '83.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 03:36 AM
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It's shocking how in the '50s we didn't even know the dangers of tobacco, there'd be commercials showing doctors smoking in emergency rooms and stuff. That's only 2 or 3 generations back and the world has changed so much. Day laborers and many blue collar workers who are always out in the sun tend to look more weathered/beat up quicker. I'm sure the same happened when everyone had to do hard work outside.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 03:30 AM
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Ah okay, after I hit reply I thought you might've actually meant pussy like a wimp lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 03:28 AM
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That does make sense, it probably depends how each person was raised too. Having big siblings rub off on you can make someone seem older, or for example if you had overprotective/uptight parents you could've not been exposed to certain pop culture as a kid and thus lagged behind your peers. I could be biased because I have an AMAZINGLY good memory and relate to my childhood era more than to my teens (might be from my Asperger's who knows?). Even though I'm born in 1985 I remember back to 87-88 a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 03:22 AM
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Seems like 81-82 is the first pangs of millennial but it's not full blown until 1991 or so. I imagine when they were younger it seemed more distinct from Gen X (when I was like 21 in 2006)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 01:17 AM
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I'm actually an outlier in that I don't mind doing some blue collar work and I do enjoy helping people, but I'm almost religious obsessed with skincare too. We're about the same age (33) and I'm shitting bricks about approaching middle-age, maybe it's irrational but still. That's a depressing point I hadn't thought of. I'd feel awful if I had a girlfriend or wife who resented me for being too soft. My most serious relationship said (after the charm wore off I guess lol) how she didn't want to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 01:08 AM
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True, I'll often look at 80s movies and music videos and be stunned at how old 30-35 year old men looked, even celebrities (Huey Lewis, Bill Murray etc). There's always exceptions both directions but do you think it's simple as taking better care of ourselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 01:02 AM
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Nah lol, it's all my own thoughts. Never heard of this other dude. I'm fine with getting roasted esp because I realize I'm an outlier. I just wish I was a real millennial 10 years younger, then my persona would fit me better
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 12:59 AM
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Yeah diet and exercise are big ones. Other than slacking a little on diet I'm pretty good about the rest. I still feel inadequate after I listen to Joe Rogan talk nutrition though lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 12:55 AM
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Oily skin (ie large pores) tend to age better since it's naturally more hydrated too. You probably will age good bro, especially if you're being preventative now
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 12:53 AM
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Hipster beards and lumbersexuals rock, esp when they color and style their beard hair. I went to a reggaefest last year and saw tons of that
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 12:51 AM
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Older women are awesome bro, felt that way since I was a kid lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 12:48 AM
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That's interesting, the oldest millennial men are late 20s (or going by most studies if you include back to like 1982, mid 30s) has them being less aggressive had any impact on having kids or getting married less?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 12:47 AM
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Okay obese isn't good for anyone I'll give you that. But choosing between a little paunch or face wrinkles I'll go with overweight. At least you can sorta hide that, especially in the winter lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 12:43 AM
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Lol yeah even if it's not for vanity reasons, I'll never understand why some guys simply don't care about taking care of themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 12:41 AM
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If you're a respectful nice guy (an actual one, not a "Nice Guy") you're gonna err on the side of caution even more so and not want to make the first move unless you're indisputably sure they like you. Gender roles are thankfully already changing and this should too. Nothing wrong with a guy approaching sometimes, but it's tough for those of us who aren't cisgender or masculine, and don't want to have to conform to acting like one.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 08:19 PM
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Well maybe mid 20s is iffy. An independent, street smart 25 year old living on her own with a career already going all that is probably okay, but a 25 year old chick into the club scene who's still down with the 18 year olds and seems hella young, then I'd say that's creepy. There's mid 20s women who have commented on this sub and others who dislike attention from older men (even just 30) so I think we have to all respect their feelings. Whether you agree with it or not, sometimes women that age…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 04:01 AM
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Its all good lol, I know I'm probably an outlier on that. I tend to be the most attracted to older women in their 40s/50s, or right around my age (late 20s- late 30s) too. I can recognize some young women are attractive sure, but even though I'm pretty much on the same emotional level (early-mid 20s) I know its still morally wrong for good reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/18 12:19 AM
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Thanks bro, makes me feel better. Your dad's a scumbag (way way worse than mine, who was more just impatient and didn't think of others) and I'm glad you got through it. Your sister sounds awesome and a great role model, there's this rebellious side I have where I love when people buck the system and traditional gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/18 11:34 PM
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Sounds right. Even the dudes I thought were cool/looked up to were more artsy, like your late baby boomer/early Gen X actors or MTV rockers/metalheads and stuff rather than like the standard, old fashioned manly men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/18 11:32 PM
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This is true, it's often UMC women (especially if they're religious) that swing Conservative. Doesn't mean they're all racist, self hating Trump supporters (even as a hardcore liberal I'm smart enough to not lump everyone together), they probably just have slightly more old fashioned upbringings and believe in more traditional gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/18 11:30 PM
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Just turned 33 (a 1985 baby and one of the last 80s kids lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/18 11:23 PM
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Interesting you brought that up about your parents. Not to get too political, but I've noticed almost every girlfriend or crush I've ever had has been to my right (I'm a Bernie bro so I guess most people would be lol). I bet your buddies' dads were more involved in their lives and they're close with them, so their feminism isn't in any way a rebellion against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/18 07:59 PM
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Good shit man, good for you. I'm a little overweight and should be following your example, it definitely feels good to get in shape. I listen to Joe Rogan a lot and every time he discusses health or nutrition I immediately feel guilty for snacking on any junk food, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/18 07:55 PM
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True there's cool masculine guys too of course, who are everything a good dad and husband should be. I think for his generation (1941) it just wasn't as common to include women as equals.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/18 07:53 PM
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Sometimes yeah. He cared for my mom but wasn't emotionally or even that financially good about stuff. Truth is they both in retrospect would've been better off marrying people closer to their own ages more like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/18 07:51 PM
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I think he was kinda indifferent. I'm not saying he was always an asshole. He wasn't abusive and we did have SOME good times, he just wasn't patient and being 47 with an active little shit 3 year old kid probably just wasn't his thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/18 07:50 PM
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Yeah there's lazy slob 27 year olds and active 70 year olds lol, all depends on the person. Congrats on staying in shape and being an active/cool dad with the little ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/18 07:49 PM
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The male wall is real, and even one of the top A list celebrities can't fend it off. 1997 Leo was HOT AF. I was so jealous of him when I was a preteen in the Titanic days. He still looked youthful til about 2005, by the late 00s age started really catching up to him and now he's hardly recognizable as the same guy. Still kinda handsome but he really should go for women his own age, or like 30 at the very youngest. ​ I can almost guarantee these young women aren't sleeping with 2018 Leo for his l…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/18 09:57 AM
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I've thought of that too. Like the small percentage of young women who like older guys, most likely like them BECAUSE they're more mature than them and dudes their age. It's perfectly fine with me if they don't like me (romantically) because I like older women, or at least women my age. As I've said on here, I have some younger friends but the 20s girls I've ever connected with are more like little sisters to me and I simply couldn't think of them that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/18 12:01 AM
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Oh I misunderstood, that's better just immature. That's exactly what I strive not to be because it just makes it worse and looks cheesy. Maybe I'll get tatted up so when I'm 40 or 50 I can at the very least, look like a cool/edgy dude and not just a standard boring adult, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 11:11 PM
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Thanks. Yeah exactly, I don't know why people are in such denial or think rough/aging skin is fine because it's "distinguished". It's not 1955 anymore lol. Women, gay dudes and only maybe straight guys in the entertainment industry age well unless they have freakishly good genes. I have a feeling even this will change with time though. When a legit millennial is 40 in 2035 and spent time taking care of their skin and embracing it more than men in past generations did, they'll probably look almos…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 09:27 PM
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That's a good way to describe it. And I wonder if 80s babies just seem way older from growing up with shit like NES games, Saved by the Bell kinda sitcoms, cassette tapes etc. I find many people my age aren't as liberal on gender identity and economic issues either unfortunately. Bruno Mars is my age and he doesn't seem middle-agey at all, celebrities probably don't count compared to regular people though. Even he was probably a little hotter in 2010 compared to now.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 08:45 PM
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Oh I'm in total agreement about nuance, and I do have friends and acquaintances all different ages backgrounds and everything. I'm more talking about others who don't look at people as individuals, and just paint with a broad brush. I guess that's where my insecurities come from, esp now that I'm approaching middle-age and want to be at least somewhat age appropriate ya know? I'm honestly a much more chill guy than I'm probably making myself sound on here. I just needed to get a few deep thought…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 08:33 PM
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Ah okay he's probably a douchebag as it already is. I'm the type where if I don't like someone, everything they do annoys me lol so I understand
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 08:14 PM
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Semi devil's advocate but I'd say the age gap relationships that work are where they have common ground first, like work/schooling, a subculture they both belong to etc. A 35 year old white collar guy and a 20 year old sorority girl ain't gonna happen (outside of a sugar daddy thing) almost ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 01:12 AM
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YaAmar speaks the truth, whether anyone wants to hear it or not. Yes there's some outliers (probably more introverted) young women who are interested in older guys, but it's not the norm. There's no reason to choose a 30s-40s guy over a college dude in modern times since there's way less of a need to have a man for financial support. There's exceptions but even those are probably dudes who look younger. Even if you look good at 35 it's still less good than 25
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 01:09 AM
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You've got a pretty fun, cool life bro it sounds like. I have to give you props for that, wish I could stop caring what people think but it's not that easy when you're kinda sensitive to criticism
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 01:03 AM
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Yeah but he probably does it in that way overblown "fellow kids" way though, not in a more subtle natural "just being yourself" way. Should someone born in 1985 look and behave like a baby boomer now? Should a 30/35 year old act like a boring white dad lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 01:01 AM
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True, it's not so much about me personally (I just use myself as an example esp since I'm an outlier), I'm just interested in stuff like this and how people think.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 12:53 AM
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We're on the same wavelength dude. Except I'm not into young women. I like cougars or at least women my age. My only thing is I want to still seem fun and cool
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 08:53 PM
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Exactly, the "doing it just to try and get in a 20 year olds pants" is the major corny turnoff. I do it (within reason) simply because it's me. Granted I worry what I'll do when I'm 45 and can't get away with it at all (maybe it's still passable since people typically guess me to be mid 20s?) I guess I'll need to evolve into a cool edgy type of guy
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 07:53 PM
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They're good for a chuckle in that intentionally corny way lol. I feel like some older guys will just get automatically shoehorned into the cheesy dad category if they do though. Like when something doesn't scan at the checkout counter "oh I guess it's free" I've heard that a billion times lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 07:48 PM
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I'll eat over it but I always do the dishes lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 07:46 PM
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It's all good, I'm sure you mean like middle-aged guys telling dad jokes like they're the funniest thing since sliced bread lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 04:35 PM
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Can't argue with that at all! I think when people are the best of both that's ideal. I suppose my fear for myself and other men my age, is that American society expects us to be the unattractive part of the older group, and we're somehow considered defective if we aren't lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 04:31 PM
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Neither really but closer to the first. More just being chill and not totally "acting like a grown-up" (like Bob Saget on the original Full House, that kind of annoying PTA father lol) but able to be serious and mature when it's needed. I still have a sense of wonder and I'll get excited about smaller things, again could just be from less experience than a typical 33 year old
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/18 11:48 PM
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Yeah like I said if you're trying to kick it with 19 year olds and legit be "one of them", that's not cool. I feel like if you're fairly age appropriate but have a young fun vibe it's all good (I hope)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/18 11:43 PM
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That's reassuring and gives me hope lol, thanks brother
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/18 11:41 PM
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If someone's able to be "adult" and more serious when the time calls for it, but balances that out with being fun and youthful, do you feel that's okay? Or is there a certain point even that's a turnoff to bust out dancing to a song or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/18 11:39 PM
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This sub is where I've seen these kind of things discussed most. And hey you need a few people like me in the world to balance out the cisgender middle aged guys lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/18 10:11 PM
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Brilliant response. It's easy as changing your skin color! Bet you're a Trump supporter and you think there's only 2 genders right? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/18 09:54 PM
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Ah okay, thanks for clarifying. If both people are happy and he treats her good, obviously there's no legal issue and nobody's business, but I feel it'll still turn some heads and both are likely to get some criticism. It's just not viewed as socially acceptable if there's more than say a 10 year difference. Then again there's always exceptions. I'm sure we've seen it in public but not always realized it, if it's a 35 year old who looks like 28 and has a young vibe still. I guess the icky factor…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/18 12:40 AM
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Could just be my interpretation man, I've been reading posts on here for awhile. For example when guys brag about a way younger gf calling them daddy and stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/18 12:32 AM
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It's probably gonna be harder for a balding 20 year old dude at first if he looks 30 (but still a young face) but if he's always around girls his age in a social circle he's still got an advantage IMO
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/18 03:57 PM
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I still disagree but I see what you're saying. There's always outliers and exceptions, I'm sure there's young women who might be tired of frat bros and looks more to older guys, but overall everything I've heard both IRL and online says that most young women want guys their age they can relate to the best. Btw I think black and Asian guys it's more common since they age better and hey black dudes are just cooler than us anyway lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/18 03:53 PM
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True not everyone in an age gap relationship feels that way,. and it's not fair to lump them all together, but it almost seems like that's what a decent chunk of TRP wants lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/18 03:45 PM
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That actually really gives me some hope because, interestingly every girlfriend I've ever had has been more Right leaning than me
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/18 12:55 AM
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I'm sure some libs can be (douchebags come in all forms lol), and certainly not all Conservatives ARE, shit I even have friends who are Trump voters (as much as that disappoints me lol), it's just I figure most left wingers have good morals ya know?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/18 12:52 AM
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Can't argue with that lol. It's just I know expression and humor doesn't always translate in written form as well as talking so I didn't want anyone to think I was being a dick or trying to start a fight
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/18 12:49 AM
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It's not lol, I have a few favorites I tend to wear way more often. I think it's the "rolled out of bed and threw on the first thing I could find" vibe a lot of guys dress in that can be a turnoff or make them seem like a slob, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/18 12:46 AM
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That's awesome, I just thought too when you said that how it's actually a positive thing when a masc man does traditionally girly things because it helps remove the stereotypes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/18 12:43 AM
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That's true man it's a big world and there'll always be some girls who are into older guys, even if many aren't. I only can speak for myself (and I need to remind myself many people don't feel the way I do) and even though I prefer cougars, hypothetically if I met a 24 year old I really connected with romantically, I just wouldn't feel moral or comfortable pursuing it. Not just because I don't want to be an "older guy" (I don't fit any older guy stereotypes except maybe being really nostalgic an…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/18 12:38 AM
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Nice, thrifting is awesome too. I started going to Goodwill around the time I graduated HS in 2003 when it was more of a bohemian thing and a great way to get cheap 80s stuff, but now it's way more common. More guys should be like your bf, it's like he's not even doing it just to please you but he's genuinely into it! Must make clothes shopping even more fun
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 05:43 AM
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That's probably the perfect middle-ground, he's still manly enough to feel like your guy and not just like another one of your girlfriends, but a lot of common ground. I agree that activities are probably more important to share together since it's experiences, whereas it's less of a big deal if you guys like different music/TV shows, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 05:33 AM
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Ah yeah no worries, I'm a good sport! True, I think I do use lol enough that I don't always realize it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 05:29 AM
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Boy was always "out" wasn't he even in the Culture Club days? Do you mean George Michael? If I recall he wasn't outed until 1998 when he had the incident with the undercover cop in the park bathroom, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 03:25 AM
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I'd pretty much agree. Like a softer dude who CAN be assertive and masculine when its needed is probably the perfect balance. Yeah I'd say the stigma associated with cooking/baking is mostly gone now, I bet that was mostly remnants from the '60s and earlier when women just generally did the cooking while their husbands worked, so it stayed a stereotype.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 03:23 AM
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Sounds like a great dude, and he seems like he's while not necessarily one of the girls, just one of your friends period, and I bet it makes the relationship even more fun! Lots of guys will rotate the same 4 shirts/jeans over and over lol, so I think it's cool when other guys are into fashion too. I'm not as much familiar with designers and fashion trends in general, but I love to color coordinate and wear neons and patterns a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 03:20 AM
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Well rounded, he sounds pretty awesome. I don't want to go TOO much into politics lol, but I will say I find masculinity better if its coming from a nice guy, especially a liberal one who's obviously not racist/sexist/homophobic.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 03:16 AM
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Gender bending the other way is cool too, like Tomboys and women that are like "one of the guys". When I was a kid (90s) it was a stereotype that girls weren't into sports, but nearly every woman I know is (go Sharks and 49ers! lol). I think gender bending straight guys have been popular since at least the 80s. Think Boy George, Prince, and the hair metal dudes who proudly wore makeup and eyeliner! And yeah it makes sense with most of what I've experienced irl. When I was younger there were time…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 03:06 AM
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I was a theater geek too, they're so fun although I was always worried they were so much cooler than me, lol. Granted it's a stereotype but I do notice way more gay men are into pop music (especially Gaga, Madonna, etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 03:00 AM
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Sorry, I meant that it's good that we're much more accepting of men being softer and more effeminate than we were even in like 2006. Nothing wrong with masculinity, but it's wrong when that's the ONLY acceptable way for a man (especially a straight one) to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 02:47 AM
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I'm the same way pretty much. I'll stick up for anyone who's getting bullied (and certainly my friends) but only as a last resort too. I'm not confrontational and don't like fights. I also feel like people take aggression differently depending who's doing it. If someone's a Duck Dynasty looking guy, even the slightest bit of aggression will freak anyone out, but a softer or less muscular guy can probably get away with more.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 02:44 AM
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That's pretty cool, he's like a badass manly man but with a soft side and (most importantly) just a good guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 02:41 AM
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I have lmao, mostly for 80s songs (all genres from hair metal to R&B to new wave) and pop like Taylor Swift.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 02:39 AM
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking and I've heard other people say the same thing, that they wouldn't even want their boyfriends/husbands to be into their stuff since its an escape. Truth is no matter how close you are with someone, you need to be away from them sometimes, lol. How do you feel about gay bffs? Those guys can be so awesome, then again obviously different than a dude you have romantic/sexual feelings for and share a life together with!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 02:37 AM
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Yeah I have a friend like that. He LOOKS cisgender masc and is into manly stuff but he's really chill. He hates Trump and is pretty progressive but is a manly man in lots of ways, so things don't always line up with stereotypes. That's kinda cool too when it throws you for a surprise.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 02:33 AM
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Yeah the opposites attract thing holds true in many respects. If someone's exactly like you in almost every way, that could be boring tbh!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 02:30 AM
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That's true, I was kinda "armchair/bro sciencing" off the top of my head, lol. Those are stereotypes that don't always hold true of course. Interesting, would you say more badass dudes appeal to you since its so different from what you grew up used to? I know politics is a sensitive subject and I didn't want that part to sound controversial or stirring anything up lol, sorry if it offended anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 02:29 AM
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I think it was more important for Baby Boomers, Generation X and early Millennials. From the 1960s to about 2005 it defined everything about youth culture and if you didn't know and like the current music and fashion, you were considered weird or even made fun of. Not that it's not still kinda like that, although it's more for technology, like seeing someone's Snapchat or IG story. If you're over 30 or especially over 40 and visibly don't know slang or perhaps still use a flip phone, it might si…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 12:45 AM
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They probably know they've got no chance and are desperate lol, who knows? I do feel it's guys like that who potentially make all men look bad unfortunately
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 08:53 PM
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It at least hurts a little less when someone else understands you and is going through something similar, as he is. Even if its just someone else to vent with, that's emotional support and really helps. He and I don't like hurtling towards middle age, maybe some men are okay with it or even embrace it, but we're not.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 01:51 PM
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Overall probably mid to late 20s could be the peak if you asked women of all ages and backgrounds. Old enough to look a bit manly but still young enough to not have visible signs of aging. Those female teachers are probably outliers, but it's just hard to not look at it through the blinders of how I was treated in 2008 vs now.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 11:24 PM
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True, late 20s/early 30s women are more LTR minded so they'd probably be cool with a middle-aged dude or at least more open to it if they really connected with one. I think late teens/early 20s guys are appealing to all women for their raw sexuality and fresh faces (what about all those women teachers who sleep with their students?) but not usually for relationship material.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 07:50 PM
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Being on the spectrum and emotionally stunted will do that to you. I'm not emotionally/mentally 33 so the expectation to act and look it is something I really don't know how to navigate. And when guys my age/older DO act/look their age, it offends me because it makes us seem old and uncool.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 07:47 PM
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I agree with that, was just saying 27 is a young enough older guy for it not to seem creepy, since there's no or very little signs of aging like there is with early-mid 30s and up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 07:45 PM
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YES to all that! Filipe is so hot and I'm not ashamed to say it either. Exactly, that's the kind of slightly older guy where it's cool to an early 20s girl (I feel like when a girl says she likes older guys, she means 3-5 years older, not 15 older lol). Re: shaving. Me too, some dudes can look good with beards but again I find its early-mid 20s hipster guys where they're otherwise fresh faced and it looks like a teenager glued hair to his face, not the "bum who needs a shave" look. I never could…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 06:57 PM
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Yeah, the hot celebrity or musician guys in their 40s (or the occasional average Joe blessed with amazing genes) are only attractive because they look younger and not like some boring dad. Even if Tom Cruise etc. look slightly less hot than they did in their youth, because they were so attractive to begin with, they can still retain attractiveness. But yeah, the average 20 year old guy once he loses the boyish look at 35 is royally fucked. The best they can hope for is to look good for their age…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 05:55 PM
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Because people's feelings matter to me, and I know I'm not in this world alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 05:36 PM
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27's still pretty young especially if you look youthful, so that's understandable. When you start getting facial lines or something at 37 and it clearly signals that you're an "older guy", that's the wall to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 05:35 PM
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Dude I'm really glad you posted on my threads, you speak the truth and know your shit. Really need to burst a few bubbles, lol. To be as kind as possible, some 30s and 40s guys can still look PRETTY good and not decline that much if they take care of themselves, but even they can't compete with their own 22 year old younger selves or with a current early 20s dude for attraction from young women or even raw sexual attraction from older women. There's a reason male models are like 21 and not 30 or…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 05:25 PM
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Wait I always thought the "half your age plus 7" is the general point it becomes creepy. Since Millennial women seem hella young, I'd argue 40/27 is even still questionable now. Better than early 20s and she's still a grown woman, but I'm sure many women born in 1991 would rather have a more attractive guy their age or even a little younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 05:17 PM
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Even if I wasn't biased by my connection and attraction to 40s-60s women, I think I'd still agree women tend to look amazing into middle-age, though it could be social conditioning to use beauty products more than we do. Even if I take my own bias out of it (like I've explained, not wanting to be or even feel masc/dominant) I have female friends in their early 20s and they're just like cool younger sisters to me, I'd never be attracted to them. The absolute youngest I'd feel comfortable flirting…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 05:12 PM
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Jared's pretty hot. Yeah dude doesn't look mid 40s at all (I'm not super familiar with his work so I didn't recognize him at first glance). I also used Billie Joe Armstrong from Green Day (45) as another example of a huge outlier. Also he's a punk rocker/emo looking guy so he's "cool" and not just a typical boring standard looking adult. Truth is, you don't need to be physically buff to do things these days, so it's purely for aesthetics, so I say why not just stop at the lean/toned and semi-mus…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 05:04 PM
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Being frugal with money and saving is always a good idea (for anyone really). I always put something away and life pretty thrifty, I'll agree with that. P.S. I know this isn't politics, but watch the online show Secular Talk. The guy Kyle Kulinski knows his shit and he could explain it better than me, but pretty much that "free stuff" is a huge misconception. Medicare for all will SAVE us money (around 17 trillion) compared to the for profit healthcare system we have now (right wingers always le…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 04:59 PM
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Upvoted. Sounds totally right (probably in the recent past like the 90s, and now). Yeah, the lifestyle upgrade like going to fancy restaurants and nice cars and access to more money, along with just a break from 20 year old frat bros might be nice for awhile (I'm thinking someone like Stu from Mrs. Doubtfire, lol), but after the excitement and novelty wore off, they probably think "Ehh, this guy's kinda boring tbh, and we can't relate and connect about stuff. Now I miss guys my age I can have mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 04:53 PM
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Yep, goes to my point too that women age better than men. There's tons of 30 year old women who could pass as teens, very few 30 year old men could. There's early 40s women who could pass for being in their 20s, again very rare for white guys. Skincare matters, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 08:50 AM
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I wouldn't say it's a hangup as much as a fascination, especially since I know I'm an outlier, and I'm just trying to figure everything out ya know? 18 is still a high schooler or JUST graduated though, I mean damn. Jerry Springer (whom I'm a big fan of) used to say in one of his final thoughts in the 90s that in relationships, people have the right to be wrong. And that even if others disapprove, they can offer advice and their opinion but they have to let it go (outside of extreme abusive situ…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 07:43 AM
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I get you, anyone can be a dick lol, and it's not like there aren't abusive young guys too. What I'm saying is, the odds are higher if he's older and it makes people more uncomfortable. I feel like the responsibility is on an older guy if he really loves his girlfriend, to prove it to her and her family and friends over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 07:38 AM
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I get your point, and I do agree that there's nothing the law or family members/friends can say to break them up if they're consenting and happy together. What I'm saying is, years down the road they might regret spending their youth with an older guy. One of my crushes is 44 and is married to a bitter cranky 70ish year old guy since she was in her early 20s, and I can tell how much its worn her down. He doesn't even appreciate her
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 07:32 AM
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Sorry for the confusion man, that's what I was saying. When I was a kid and young teen, I found 18 year old girls (during the 90s) attractive since they were older than me lol. I couldn't stomach it now or even when I was 25. Your buddy in college sounds awesome. I think the environment we're raised in makes a huge difference in shaping what we're attracted to. I don't have siblings and was often around middle aged women as a kid (people my parents knew, my friends' moms, etc) which I think is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 07:15 AM
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I'd rather be a cool grandpa/old old dude like Bernie than to be a middle-aged guy. 70 is cooler than 40 in a way. Like some Duck Dynasty middle aged dad, fucking gross! I know I know, it's just delaying the inevitable. It's just emotionally really tough when I looked teen idolish and unthreatening as late as 28, and I'm a bit androgynous on top of it. Pretty boys who were cute kids/teens age like shit too since there's nowhere to go but down. Its only been the last couple years where I look vis…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 07:07 AM
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What's really sad is, I bet 20 year olds in 1968 were repulsed by it too but felt like they had no choice but to get with boring old(er) guys, which would've meant lots of years of depression in unhappy marriages. I keep telling people status and money isn't NEARLY as important (no matter how much TRP screams about it) since women thankfully have higher education and careers themselves and don't need it, so looks and common ground matter to them just as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 06:59 AM
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Nah man, it's how I really feel. Though I admit I'm pretty unique (which is why I really wanted to talk about it) lol. As I've been explaining on other posts, I'm very likely a little on the spectrum (which could explain things like how I'm kinda "girl brained", have an immense fear of aging, and don't want to be masculine/dominant at all). I seriously have great emotional connections as well as physical attraction to cougars (it's awesome to be able to freely fanboy about 80s music and stuff wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 06:46 AM
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What most people (me included) will tell you is it's the potential for the younger woman to be taken advantage of. If he's mainly trying to get in her pants. If you're talking about a LTR, even if he's the nicest guy in the world who truly cares about her feelings, there's still the thought of "He's depriving her of the best years of her life, experiences she could have on her own, or dating dudes her own age."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 06:39 AM
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I think the only occasions where 20f/35m can be KINDA more socially acceptable is if they're both bonded by a career environment, and again if he's a fun/cool younger looking 35. Even then I'd say it's morally questionable, but from outward appearances wouldn't throw up any weird vibes (say if he only looks 27) if he doesn't look like he could be her dad. The boring career guy 35 year old with a beer gut/receeding hair/face wrinkles hitting up college bars? CREEPY AF!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 06:37 AM
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Yeah my grandparents (mom's side) were 12 years apart, different nationalities too which also seems more common. Oh wow, it was easier in the pre-internet days to lie about your age (even celebrities got away with it lol), although it had to be believable like within a few years.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 06:29 AM
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I mean the Reddit stereotype (jacked 35 year old TRP guy "spinning plates" with 21 year old girls) makes my skin crawl. Why are these guys okay with being the dominant older guy and bragging about essentially having a daughter with benefits? Ew ew ew...just no! I love feminist independent women (of all ages, though especially older. I'd never crush on/be attracted to anyone under like 27-28ish) and it legit gives me tingles when they're in any way dominant over me. Makes me feel softer and more …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 06:24 AM
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True, it's more about place in life than actual numbers. I think once the younger person is at least 27-30ish the age difference becomes less of a big deal, because there's less chance they're being taken advantage of.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 06:11 AM
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Without getting too preachy, remember we're in a 10 year recession. You'd be surprised how many adults are working entry level jobs, even college grads who can't find careers or people who need second incomes. Without getting too personal, when you're on the spectrum AND don't have a lot of family support/connections to something better, you're pretty much boxed in without a way out. I'm doing the best I can with the shitty hand I was dealt. There's a reason Bernie and other real progressives' t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 06:09 AM
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Thanks, that's super helpful! We're pretty much the same age and what's scary about our 30s is its the first decade where we're clearly visibly adults and these brand new lines are showing up when they've never been there before, lol. Unfortunately fillers are a little out of my budget for the time being, but I'm also trying to always sleep on my back (it's hard because my side/face is so much more comfortable, but it does bury your face in the pillows which probably deepens the lines too). I fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 05:58 AM
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Yeah I'd be interested to know the breakdown of stuff like that, I'm super interested in sociology and human relationships. I always know that everyone is an individual, my own parents are 17 years apart too so I guess I was used to it when I was younger. I think the common internet stereotype is that a 35 year old guy is either a boring suit career guy or a hypermasculine Duck Dynasty blue collar guy, when in reality a lot of them are still youthful and fun, so that can throw off our perception…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 05:50 AM
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Oh yeah, I bet with your dad people overlooked the age gap since he had something to offer financially, but the perception of "You can do better than that guy" with your aunt's husband. Which isn't fair on its face, blue collar guys can be intellectual too, people's profession doesn't define everything about them as a human being. Then again I can understand the fear of someone being taken advantage of (which sadly some older guys prey upon). I feel like that's actually the biggest reason for mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 05:42 AM
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I wonder if those who are most vocal about it just get the attention? Even if I disapprove or think it's creepy, I wouldn't say anything unless there was some visible verbal abuse or something (which is wrong for a guy of any age to do). At 33 the only clear indicators that "This dude isn't a teen anymore!" are slight nasal folds (which I'm fighting with Retin-A) and one forehead line which I cover with bangs anyway. I wonder how I'll look at 37, but I figure adults basically stay the same in 4 …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 05:34 AM
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Retin-A is bomb! 33/m and I've been using it for a couple months and can already notice a difference. I know it'll never make me look as good as an 18 year old teen idol again but it's the best thing you can possibly get in a tube, lol. The first signs of wrinkling most people get are those freaking nasolabial folds, which usually start in the mid-late 20s. Technically we all have them when we smile or laugh or open our mouths wide (that's why they're called laugh lines lol). A slight curve can …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 05:23 AM
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Isn't it interesting how just a couple generations ago, life was so different? I think especially in small towns where people wanted a ticket out of a boring mundane life, they were more looking to marriage as a goal. It's amazing to think your grandma at 18 could've been more mature than some of today's 30 year olds (like me lol).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 05:16 AM
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19/37 seems pretty shocking, even if you were a mature 19 and he was a cool/fun/youthful 37. As shallow as it sounds, I think if the guy looks and comes across as younger it can offset the uncomfortable feeling at least to a point. Even once people find out, it can be like "Oh I thought he was only late 20s or so, ehh I guess it's cool", but if he's graying or has deep facial lines and looks like he could easily be her dad, that'll creep most people out. Although even then, it probably depends o…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 05:14 AM
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Wrinkles make teen idol/pretty boys/feminine guys hit the wall pretty hard too. 18-24 year old guys look way hotter than 30s guys (including me). I got more flirting and positive attention in 2009 than I do now. I do agree for guys who go bald (especially young) it's an even steeper wall. But at least you can get something like Hair Club for Men to cover it up, you can't hide facial lines without expensive plastic surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 04:50 AM
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I just thought how it seems more acceptable and common in the LGBTQ community and I wonder if its for similar reasons: simply less people to choose from? That doesn't really apply to the '90s lol, but for the 50s when your grandparents got married, it's an interesting thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 04:46 AM
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He took advantage of a teenage girl he was entrusted with authority over, not just slept with her but (in your own words) ruined her life with a kid she's stuck with raising after he died. That's morally disgusting and horrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 04:38 AM
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The 70s looked like a wild fun time, even more than the 60s in many respects. The original hippies were awesome, but we were in the middle of struggling for civil rights and protesting the Vietnam war, so I'm sure there was always this cloud of darkness and fear hovering over people, even in a place like San Francisco... but the disco era was 10 years past that. Do you think my own personal experience is unique? I'm a broke ass minimum wage worker, so all I ever had is my looks. Could that be wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 04:34 AM
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We're the same age. Early 2000s high school was a weird time, fully into the internet age but pre-smartphones and social media, so it was still truly old school in many respects. I feel like we're the last gasp of Gen X due to that, even if many studies say we're early Millennials, that doesn't really pick up steam until 1988-89 babies. Oh man, that coach was a douchebag (and for way bigger reasons than the age difference, feel sorry for that girl). Yeah, I think the world felt bigger and more m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 04:28 AM
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All good points. Yeah there's that 1996 Chris Rock standup special where he says "Ya don't wanna be that old guy in the club!" lol. I'm thinking if you've known something to be a certain way for SO long there's a tendency to take it for granted, so when it changes it's a massive shock. I'm 33 and tons of people tell me I look mid/late 20s (might be due to me being a little on the spectrum), but I can still tell I get less flirting and attention than I did in my mid 20s when I still looked 18-19,…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 04:21 AM
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You do bring up some valid points I hadn't considered (even if I don't totally agree I appreciate the discussion, so hope there's no hard feelings man). I may be biased because I'm so used to the minimum wage working world and junior college. I do think the more introverted/intellectual 20 year old girls are perhaps more interested or open to older guys our age (I prefer cougars though lol) and having more cultured lifestyle experiences if they're always around douchey frat bros, while the extro…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 03:56 AM
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Yeah the guy in that picture looks great, probably mid 20s. You can tell he's a man and not a kid but a YOUNG youthful man. Toned and stronger but not jacked buff scary.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 02:54 AM
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I know plenty of 27-30 year old women who could pass as teenagers. 30 year old men hardly ever! (Unless they're black or Asian or have freakishly good genes, and that's rare.)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 02:40 AM
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For what it's worth I think some 20s women PUT UP WITH declining looks on 30+ men if it means a lifestyle upgrade and more money and connections. She might be grit her teeth and endure fucking him, or at best, be somewhat attracted to him, but chances are she's thinking about the hot 21 year old pool boy behind his back, lol. I've just explained how people's vibes towards me have changed since 2008-09. At 33 now that I look at least mid 20s and more mannish than boyish (and even that might be pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 02:23 AM
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YaAmar speaks the truth imo. I don't want to speak for women and certainly not all women (cause everyone is different), but I think most of the time even the edgy young women who want bad boys, want an early/mid 20s bad boy who's got drugs or connections or a popular, fun young dude to hit the clubs with, etc. For a dude like that, being muscular or dominant might be good. Not for a middle-aged Duck Dynasty or Hells' Angers biker looking type, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 02:11 AM
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Not like I'd ever have a chance lmao, but I'd pick her over any 22 year old. I want to feel younger and submissive, which might explain why I'm attracted to cougars as well as just generally strong/feminist women (a little younger is okay but no more than like 5 years)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/18 11:53 PM
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Ugh no bro, read my whole post lol, I love cougars/moms in their 40s and 50s the most. Younger women don't do anything for me and even if they did, I'd never act on it because I personally feel it's not socially acceptable. As I said I'm a little on the spectrum and behind people my age, so the last thing I'd want is to be a "leader" or the masculine man of a relationship (I have mild gender identity issues too but that's another story). We're about the same age and I'm not moralizing what you o…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/18 09:51 PM
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Lots of younger people are hipster classic rock fans. Born 1985 isn't really young anymore (even if it was a little before my time) but can you honestly tell me present day Stevie Nicks isn't the most gorgeous and youthful 70 year old woman ever?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/18 09:41 PM
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Very true lol, I'm sure many people in the red states and the South aren't aging too well. Honestly I like big girls too so that doesn't bother me, but a steady fast food/processed food diet and not much exercise does take a toll, and combined with most dudes never even moisturizing or using sunscreen let alone skincare doesn't help matters!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/18 09:40 PM
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Yeah, Cruise and quite a few actors look amazing for their age. Billie Joe Armstrong of Green Day is almost 46 and the dude is hot AF and could still pass for late 20s/early 30s at least. They're extreme outliers though. Yes dude exactly, it's probably my overactive insecurities acting up, but I always get super self conscious if people can notice my slight nasal folds and a teeny forehead line and get terrified 20 year olds will think of me being "daddish" and that 45 year olds will lump me in …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/18 09:34 PM
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I do get what you're saying man, but my point is that society evolved and what was once acceptable or even natural can change. There's a 38 year old lumbersexual dude at work (really attractive) and he probably looks late 20s. If he had a 23 year old girlfriend it wouldn't look "off" even if he'd be obviously a little older, he wouldn't look like her dad (and he acts young too, is pretty liberal etc) so it would squeak by without turning heads much. On the flip side, if a balding 25 year old guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/18 09:22 PM
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Attraction is involuntary, true but I only remember liking 18 year old girls when I was like 12 (and they were older than me lol). Even today when I look back at actresses and stuff, I won't even think an 18 year old of 1996 is cute/hot (even if they're older than me in real time, and even if I had a crush on them as a kid, THAT version of them is way younger than me now).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/18 09:17 PM
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You're speaking truth man, we need more of that on here. Yeah at the most, a lean and toned semi muscular look is cool but looking like The Rock will make a 40 year old dude seem even more gross and threatening to college girls. Yep lol it wouldn't surprise me at all. Twilight moms probably thought of it as an awesome fantasy from their real lives, no matter how much they love their husbands
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 08:32 PM
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That would be amazing seriously, like you said though it would be weird if you looked 20 but were actually 60 and talked like a grandpa. Yeah that's about where I am too, looking mid/late 20s which isn't too bad but you're always aging which increases insecurities. Sorry about your ex girlfriend dumping you, that hurts and same reaction has happened to me once women learn my real age. I'm not interested in younger women but at my last job this girl around 19 used to always flirt and go out of he…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 07:00 PM
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Yeah, I was a tween in 1997-2000 during the boy band era and I clearly remember women of all ages fawning over BSB and also Leo DiCaprio circa Titanic. Look at all the Twilight moms in 2009 or older ladies who were into 1D and Bieber in 2012. I wouldn't blame them for fantasizing over dreamy young hot dudes in good shape like Jacob, while they look over at their husbands with beer bellies, bozo rings and faces looking like a leather boot lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 06:47 PM
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Well I mean a 39 year old guy isn't gonna look 21 almost ever lmao, but I'm talking about black or Asian 35 year olds who might look 27 or something
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 05:41 PM
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Agreed, the attractive men in their 30s/40s are the ones who don't look it and take really good care of themselves. The average 35 year old dude doesn't look like Hemsworth, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 04:44 PM
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Exactly dude, people need a reality check. Like I've been saying, the fresh faced teen idol look is best and having experienced it I just know women of all ages found me most attractive when I looked like a teen/20 year old.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 04:40 PM
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I can recognize some young women are beautiful but at the very least 24-25ish. It's hella young (especially now) but still a grown woman. There's a serious moral flaw if you find 18 year old girls attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 04:37 PM
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Just common sense man lol. They're more subtle but I can already notice how good some of them work and doing a peel off face mask or something feels freaking AMAZING! Almost better than sex! I mean they're not gonna perform miracles, it's more about prevention than fixing damage that's already done. Over time they can maybe reverse some wrinkles and sun damage, but by that point you'd need cosmetic surgery and nothing in a bottle will completely cure it. But it doesn't mean we shouldn't use them…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 04:32 PM
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Well that goes to my point that the attractive guys in their 30s and 40s (who can get away with dating 20s woman) are the ones who don't look it. If a guy is 37 but only looks like 30 and doesn't look like he could be the girl's dad, it doesn't turn our heads so we don't even notice. If it's a 23 year old girl with a 37 year old with a grey beard and noticeable wrinkles and a potbelly, we're gonna think it's her dad or uncle,.so if they start showing affection it naturally creeps us out.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 04:06 PM
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Thank you! Common sense exactly, from a guy who's living it. If even a youthful/young looking 33 year old gets less attention than in my teens and 20s that should tell you it's definitely past prime. Perhaps it wouldn't be so bad if other men weren't so delusional and kept hitting the"men age like wine" card, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 03:56 PM
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LMAO I was just using that as an extreme example to prove the point. I mostly just like having older woman friends and I'd be happy to have a LTR with one, but I have younger/hotter dudes to compete with and I figure if a 50 year old lady wants a boytoy/younger boyfriend she'd pick a buff 21 year old dude over me. (Even if I look a little younger I still basically look "almost 30" now!)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 02:57 PM
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lol I'd love to man, but most of them are married/taken. And even though I feel more comfortable with older women, I'm still a feminist guy and I don't want to do or say anything that could make them uncomfortable, especially if I'm a total stranger. If one propositioned me, I'd be totally down though!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 02:55 PM
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Oh wow, that's really interesting you say that. Do you find that most of your friends and stuff agree with you? (No big deal just kinda curious, lol.) Like as long as they're cool/respectful and not creepy, do you prefer the more rugged looking dudes? There's handsome guys around 50 especially if they take care of themselves (some older buddies of mine are), but its tough for me personally to think of myself looking/being like that. Maybe I'm just too attached to the teen idol look that I'm havi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 05:30 AM
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Well I mean it's unacceptable for a dude (no matter what his age or what he looks like) to sexually harass a woman. But a good looking guy in his early/mid 20s who pursues a woman a little aggressively or something is more likely to be forgiven than the creepy 45 year old who uses cheesy pickup lines and won't take no for an answer. It simply adds another layer of creepiness. When I was a kid (very late 80s and 90s) it used to be that young guys were really hardcore about chasing women they want…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 04:36 AM
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Its interesting you bring that up. In my experience most women in their early/mid 20s seem to like dudes your age or just a couple years older. Would you say mid/late 20s is more a guy's peak? When he starts looking like a grown ass man more than a kid, but the signs of aging haven't set in yet? (Or if they're starting it's so mild you'd hardly notice)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 04:32 AM
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My view might be different than most dudes because I'm just not attracted to college age young women (18-24). Even if it was socially acceptable I still wouldn't be. The ones I'm friends with I just see them as little sisters and I'd be disgusted to think of any woman that age romantically/sexually. Last year I had a good connection and sort of a crush on a new gal at work I thought was like 28-30 and once I found out she was 23 I was repulsed at myself and kicked the thought right out of my min…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 03:56 AM
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It was similar with my last gf (now 45). She was kinda cute in her 20s but now she's stunning. I have another friend I first met as a teen in 1999 (long story) who's also 48 and a yoga/dance instructor. She only looks about 35 and if she wasn't married to a great dude, I'd totally ask her out. But about the lady I brought up, oh I don't think she'd have any problem attracting dudes in their 20s if she found herself suddenly single. Would she get every single one? Of course not, but I know tons w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 03:33 AM
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Thanks, and I'm sure your friend is a good dude too (always nice to hear there's some others like me, lol). Yeah I think I just can't relate to the typical guy's way of thinking because I'm just not one. I might've had a few crushes on girls my age/just slightly older but it was never as much as with women at least 10 years older.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 03:30 AM
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I'm born in 1985 but I remember the tail end of the 80s and as a huge 80s pop culture fan, I'll say the teen idol look was awesome on young guys back then. Kirk Cameron, Michael J. Fox, etc etc. Even as a kid I thought guys who looked like that were attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 03:09 AM
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I'm cool with not always agreeing, that's what makes a conversation interesting, lol. Kinda cool how different our experiences are while both being about the same age and apparently looking 5 years younger or so. My personal guess is that I have soft/kinda feminine features (I've heard its common for guys on the spectrum, which I think I am) and that tends to compliment the "unthreatening teen idol" look. When teen idols start getting lines and wrinkles, it really messes with our entire world an…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 03:03 AM
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Good points, I hadn't thought of that. We're still hardwired like cavemen, but society has evolved so much and its hard for us to accept our lost youth. Especially as more and more people grow up with youth culture and longer adolescences, we start taking it for granted and have meltdowns when it finally begins changing. Like I said I got mistaken for a teenager as old as 27 or 28, and its only in the last couple years now at 33 where people are beginning to treat me like an adult and not a kid/…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 02:55 AM
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For what it's worth, I'm almost positive I'm a little bit on the spectrum where it's common to be very young for our age, and being a little different. (Unlike a lot of them though, I'm pretty outgoing and good at reading people.) I have friends all different ages, but I find I have amazing emotional connections with women around 45-65. It's not even sexual because they're married, and many are still like moms/mentor figures to me, but I just think it's awesome hanging out with them. Plus they l…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 02:47 AM
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Actually she's showed me tons of pics of her over the years, I think she's more beautiful now than when she was in her 20s. If I walked past the '90s version of her I'd just think it was another kinda attractive girl, but now she's really gorgeous. Even the gray roots doesn't detract from her youthful looks
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 02:39 AM
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Storffish you do make a good point. I think for extroverted/popular and hot guys, it's never going to get better than HS/college, but a late bloomer who comes out of their shell can improve a bit. A 30-40 year old confident guy still won't hold a candle to a 20 year old though
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 02:35 AM
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Very true, I'm into older ladies in their 40s-50s and I'm terrified of not being cougar bait anymore and just being"around their age" or at least not younger enough to make it exciting lol. Also should say I'm a little on the spectrum so I'm way behind a "normal" 33 year old emotionally and in terms of life accomplishments, so yes, looking/seeming young is a huge security blanket I don't want to lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/18 10:27 PM
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Btw I think one reason older (late 20s+) men are viewed as at least less attractive is because many of them openly sexually harass and perv on young women. Cheesy pickup lines, catcalling, sending unwanted dick pics, annoying them at work (happens in retail and food service way too much). So it's only natural to associate even a decent/nice older dude with those types. Not saying young dudes are never creepy or cross lines sometimes too, but they seem way more feminist and respectful. Even the d…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/18 10:24 PM
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You're spot on man. I have no desire to be a middle-aged dad and perv on young women (that disgusts me), best I can do is try to at least be cool for my age and to never become a "get off my lawn" conservative, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/18 09:51 PM
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True but one of my biggest crushes is 48 and sells skincare on the side even. She's made videos without any makeup and her grey roots and she still looks 10 years younger and gorgeous
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/18 09:46 PM
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Yeah, Irish tend to age hella fast by their 30s
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/18 09:21 PM
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Why wouldn't college age dudes be confident? They look their best, they're having the most fun they ever will and there's nothing a 40s 30s or even later 20s guy has over them
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/18 09:19 PM
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Very true, I got muscles in like a month when I was 14 with a little weight lifting. It's not as easy when you're like 34 lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/18 09:12 PM
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Agreed, personal care makes a huge difference. It may not show up right away but a habit of processed foods, not much exercise and not wearing sunscreen/moisturizing will take a toll by the time you're 35
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/18 09:10 PM
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Lost my V card at 17 to a girl my age which was awkward. Most of the older women I have connections with are married so it's out of the question. I'd never be interested in a women under about 25 it'd make me pervy and a hypocrite anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/18 09:08 PM
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Yeah there's a super hot 38 year old lumbersexual dude at work, although he only looks late 20s. A 30s guy who keeps his hair, is in shape and doesn't have anything beyond fine lines can look pretty good still. I'm probably just spoiled by looking teen idolish until I was 28 lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/18 09:05 PM
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I think to be fair that CAN look good on the right kind of guy. Perhaps the 20s guys who already were kinda badass and masc and that's just the next step
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/18 09:02 PM
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True, it's like we're all gradually rotting and decaying for 60 years before we even die of old age. Quite depressing really. I do find it looks better n women though and I'm basically only attracted to older women
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/18 08:59 PM
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Even though it goes against popular narrative I think women age way better than men, and have way more options in middle age (both for relationships and sex with guys either their age or younger). There's so many interesting not to mention stunningly beautiful 50 year old ladies in great shape while their husbands have a receding hairline and potbelly and wrinkles lol. People can do what they want as long as they're consenting adults, but we also have equal rights to be repulsed by it. If Bernie…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 12:49 AM
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I'd argue guys who preach feminism just to Nice Guy their way into a girl's pants AREN'T feminists at all though. They're just like the alphas and Chads who are openly trying to get laid, they simply have a different strategy for it but they're no better. In fact worse since they're pretending to be noble good guys. At least TRP types are honest that they're douchebags. In my view, truly being feminist is egalitarian and respecting/caring about their feelings over yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/18 09:41 PM
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It's not an all or nothing thing imo. There's women friends I find attractive but I don't let that get in the way, partly because I know I'd never have a chance and more importantly I care about the friendship. (I'm kinda female brained and sometimes feel like "one of the girls" anyway so the lines can get blurred.) That said, there's been times I'll be a little sad if they start crushing on or dating a new guy, so I do understand how guys feel, but once I get used to it common sense wins out an…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/18 09:18 PM
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You're probably right but I just wanted to dispel what the popular narrative about mid 30s guys are (ie stoic masculine TRP father figures with their shit together too interested in very young women) because I'm totally not like that. Okay the shit together one is good but not the rest lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/18 05:01 PM
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I'd argue no, it makes me honestly sad how many view THEMSELVES as inferior and they have to be submissive to their husbands. Even childhood faves like Candace Cameron from Full/er House have turned me off with what a nutjob she is with her religious and political views.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/18 03:18 PM
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You make some excellent points and you're pretty spot on, especially the first couple things. I tend to have an idealized view of 40s-50s women and it angers me how lots of men treat them like shit so I want to scream from the rooftops how amazing they are. But yeah I couldn't emotionally be an equal due to inexperience, even if I care about them and try to help people. I do have good connections with some younger women too, later 20s might be cool but I just wouldn't feel comfortable flirting w…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/18 12:47 AM
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Just a longtime lurker with lots of thoughts inside I really want to discuss with others, especially since I'm kind of an outlier. Not for me so much but for anyone else who feels that way and/or for women who've had load's of negative TRP experiences lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/18 12:37 AM
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I know it probably sound's like I'm white knighting but it's legit how I feel and I never understood all the hate and vitriol towards older/liberal/feminist women
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/18 12:34 AM
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Same, even if I can be friends with a conservative (as long as they're not totally nutjob Christian fundies or racist Trump lovers lol) it's a major turn off for attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/18 12:32 AM
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Apologize, I'm on mobile and it didn't have flair options etc. Will edit when I get home
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/18 12:28 AM
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Really appreciate your input, in fact I was wondering what a counselor might think about my situation. You're totally right that I have the classic "in a rut and not quite sure how to get out of it" thing, which amplifies my fear of aging/losing youth and having nothing to fill in that void. I always feel awesome helping people or getting involved with new things (who wouldn't, it gives you more of a purpose), I admit my inexperience for my age and not really knowing HOW to go about doing that h…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 09:33 PM
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Was watching one of my favorite classic movies (Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey-1991) where they're in their own personal hell with a boot camp instructor. Check out 1:10 when he's berating them (their characters would've been born around 1972-73 or so). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al1iIUPpMVs
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 06:54 AM
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I think if you're close with them it almost always mirrors what the OP said. I was an only child and more often than not, my closest bonds were with girls/women (lots of times older women my mom's age), and I wonder if that helped reinforce my kinda feeling like "one of the girls" and not wanting to be cisgender/masc or perceived as it. Oh there were definitely cool guys I looked up to too (not just celebs, but regular guys I knew irl), but it was never quite the same. Even strictly with the oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 12:12 AM
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Right on man, that's interesting. I've actually heard that Gen Z (today's kids and teens) are shaping up to be more conservative than Millennials and I wonder if its a backlash of sorts? Obviously every person is unique, but I get what you mean about the "less in common with my age" thing. Many of my closest friends are either like 25 or 45 too. I love the more liberal/chill Gen Xers (and I'm at the tail end of being kinda X myself really)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 04:11 PM
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I identify more with Millennial personality (i.e. being fem, very progressive) but love Gen X pop culture like classic rock since that was what I knew as a kid. I guess it balances out, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 04:52 AM
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Interesting point. 1981 babies were seniors when I was a freshman, and there seemed to be a slight difference even between 80 and 81 babies that I could never put my finger on. Britney, Kim, and Beyonce were all born that year, and while it's definitely not "full blown Millennial" (which starts more like 1989) it does seem like the beginning.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 03:40 AM
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Good points. Yeah the recession really screwed lots of people over, especially Millennials which is no fault of their own. I never did really stupid shit as a kid or teenager either (too much of a puss, lol), I wonder if it actually toughens people up if they get hurt doing stunts and stuff growing up.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 03:36 AM
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This is a rare soft rock ballad from 1987, this guy Glenn Medeiros looked awesome back then (even if he didn't age well). Would you say he was neutenous and fem? That's the look I'm trying really hard to keep lol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le9Anv_EzvE
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 03:23 AM
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I think even in the old old days, masculinity only existed for survival like hunting. If we were as enlightened and informed on things and had modern conveniences, men back then probably would've been mellower and softer too. Oh interesting, was like the typical 15 year old boy of 1985 more masculine than the typical 25 year old young man of 2018?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 03:20 AM
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Yeah I think people born around 81-82 to 87-88 honestly vary depending on the person and their experiences. We're like old Millennials I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 03:16 AM
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I was one of those couch potato geeky kids who didn't go outside that much (which is awesome now, way less sun damage lol). It's awesome that boys aren't pressured to be macho nearly as much now.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 03:13 AM
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I love new wave and the hair metal bands, both for the music AND how they looked. It was awesome, and seemed normal to me as a kid from the Bay Area (late 80s/early 90s), but maybe in flyover country not so much?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 03:06 AM
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That's why I'm jealous of them lol. Some sources say I'm Millennial some say I'm X. I'm definitely not a full on Millennial but I'd love to have a stereotype like that, rather than having to live up to the one about being masculine. I seem to remember a lot of those clean cut, soft dudes back then (like 80s Kirk Cameron, late 90s Leo, New Kids on the Block etc). Was that just a few of them and not the majority though? Or just really young dudes under 22 or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 02:36 AM
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Yeah I think gens should be more like 10-12 years max, and even then the edges should have wiggle room since experiences vary depending on the person. Forgot about that Boomer meme, I wonder if that's poking fun at the older Millennials in a sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 01:49 AM
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Especially for white men, hell yes. My feelings are the exact opposite of the usual TRP narrative. Women age like wine, (not all but more than a few white) men age like milk. They don't put much or any effort into a skincare routine, and it's staggering how many of them never even use sunscreen. Even though I'm a pretty youthful 33 (people usually think mid/late 20s) I'm under no illusions and I know I'm still past my prime and that I looked better from like 14-27. Pretty boys/twinks/effeminate …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 11:08 PM
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Generally I agree, although I'd argue if you in any way sexually harass a woman or try and get in her pants when she's not interested in you, you're NOT feminist or a nice guy. If you send an unsolicited dick pic, if you flirt with girls while they're just trying to work (retail and food service employees will tell you this happens all the time), if you catcall from your car, you should be ashamed of yourself. Even if you support certain feminist things like the pay gap, your actions are anythin…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 10:52 PM
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I think softer, non aggressive men like myself (I'm pretty much a hippie) can also have it harder in the workplace. I'm not very warlike and competitive, which let's face it, sometimes you have to be to get ahead. Sure it feels good to accomplish stuff, but I'm not very assertive and aggressive, and I've had a few douchebag managers (guys) treat me like shit. Generally though once most people get to know me they like me. I've had female superiors click with me a lot for the same reasons (never f…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 10:44 PM
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I feel like I'd always be 15 emotional years behind, even if everything fell into perfect place tomorrow. Nothing would or could restore the experiences I never had in those missing years, that will always separate me from "normal" people. But like I said, even if I don't want the shitty parts of growing up (i.e. not being attractive or cool or fun anymore), I don't want to be a total joke and be age inappropriate either. Is there ANY reasonable middle ground?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 06:36 PM
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I will say the ONE thing TRP preaches that I do agree with is working out and improving yourself. That's good for everyone to do tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 06:18 PM
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That's awesome man, so interesting to hear your experiences too. The link between denouncing masculinity and being abused makes sense. I never had sexual abuse or anything like that thankfully, but my mom briefly had a boyfriend (in the mid 90s) who was verbally and slightly physically abusive to me. And my dad's a prick who had me at 45 and never was very empathic to people who disagree with him (long story there). He really has always been more like my grandpa and I didn't totally have the typ…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 06:12 PM
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The most serious relationship I had was a 2 year long distance one where we moved in for a few months before realizing it didn't work out (long story!). She was a little older than me (7 years), still the same generation but she was WAY more life experienced than me. I only lost my V card in high school (as awkward as you'd expect from teens worried about getting caught lmao) and ever since then I've fooled around but no intercourse. I always regretted that and wanted my first "real time" to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 05:35 PM
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Perhaps lol. Honestly I'm a pretty easygoing guy most of the time, I just felt I wanted to put my voice out there for anyone else who might be having these insecurities even worse than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 05:30 PM
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Thanks, that's a great point coming from the other side of it. I will say I always kinda felt like "one of the girls" and developed emotional connections like sisters with girls/women even if I was attracted to them, so you might be on to something. What's interesting is, when I'm around other guys I can KINDA feel more like "one of the guys" and be cool with it. It's when I'm around women I connect with, I don't want to be excluded from the girls' conversations. I'm super envious of my gay frie…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 05:29 PM
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Retail unfortunately. Without a degree or too many local connections, I don't qualify for anything that's not some entry level food service/manual labor/retail job. I know I'm intelligent and capable enough to do something more, but there's really nowhere to channel it without a hand up at this point. (And even if lightning struck today and I did, I already blew my prime years, so I'd be playing catch up for years anyway.)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 05:23 PM
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I knew I'd get some pushback lol, but you make some decent points. Yeah there's a big part of me that still seeks validation. I've gotten closer with my mom in recent years because of family issues I've needed to help with, but there's still things I could never talk with her about (though I'm way closer to her than my dad, who had me at 45 and is a real unempathic asshole). My parents are both conservative and I'm a Bernie guy so there's some clear opposites in social and life views there. I do…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 05:20 PM
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I know it might sound hypocritical of a double standard, but I think the cougar thing is empowering (maybe I'm biased since I always liked older women), and there's way less of a potentially threatening or abusive aspect than an older guy pursuing a younger woman. Everyone's different of course, and a youthful 35 year old guy and a street smart and independent 25 year old woman is probably cool. I guess I can't get the trope of a masc and dominant and old looking 35 year old with a 25 year old M…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 05:15 PM
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Good point man. I've always been one of those people hella worried what people thought of me (whether they actually did or not). I know you're never going to please or appeal to everyone, but because my confidence isn't that good, sometimes a small thing will really stick with me. I know I need to get over that, but it's not easy
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 05:07 PM
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Appreciate it, thanks. Yeah I'm honestly cool with girls not being into me. Sure it feels awesome when they are sometimes, but I'm the type who's absolutely fine with just being friends. The ones who usually do show interest are early/mid 20s and I especially don't want to flirt back just because I feel like it's morally unacceptable. I've thought of that too. I know the trope of a 40 year old twink isn't a good thing lol, and even if I do look young for my age, I'm still aging as we all are (al…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 05:06 PM
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Therapy is definitely something I want to do. Yeah, nobody can stop aging completely of course, I just try and slow it down as best I can. But I know it's just delaying the inevitable, when I'm 55 even if I only look 42 or something it's still a fact of life. I think the more my peers age the (slightly) easier it is to take. At least there's some cool people along for the ride with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 04:50 PM
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That sounds right. And yeah, my dad is kind of an asshole and had me when he was 45. He's basically my polar opposite: not very empathic or patient, Trump supporter (not saying those things necesarilly go hand in hand lol). I know he wouldn't have hated or disowned me for it, but those are things I just could never have talked about with him. There's such a generation and cultural gap between us, he's like my grandpa really.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 04:48 PM
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