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mgtowmale/r/MGTOW04/08/20 11:36 AM
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Her problem wasn't the exercise, it was the motivation. Not to be healthier, not for QoL, not for the psychological benefits... but because other girls are thin and she wanted it too. "Focus on doing what feels good" is the definition of hedonism.
/r/MGTOW16/07/21 10:25 PM
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I don't know, I think they're profoundly feminine too. Every time I see a doorway, it's like a vagina accepting entrance. every time I walk past a curtained window, the softness of the fabric reminds me of the softness of women. All the pretty lights are so bright and colourful, like the women who fill them up. I'm kidding. But the point is women do what they always do: selectively choose 'evidence', ignoring all the stuff that doesn't further their agenda.
/r/MGTOW16/07/21 09:24 PM
24

The research shows that those people who spend more time with their boss get promoted at a higher rate and so people who take advantage of this two or three days at home maybe are disadvantaged in terms of career progression, which we know generally falls on to minorities and women So they make it clear that there's a CHOICE, and yet it somehow "FALLS" onto women, and thus there's a problem. Why is it women NEVER accept agency for themselves or their sisters? It's really fucking weird.
/r/MGTOW16/07/21 11:51 AM
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Women have always been the primary victims of crane collapses. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in accidents. And it makes like a really loud noise while you're doing your OnlyFans stream, it's so unprofessional and the men are entirely to blame.
/r/MGTOW15/07/21 10:25 AM
3

Even if you think she's a virgin, there's a fair chance she's not. Hymen reconstruction clinics are commonplace in many (most?) parts of the world. I've talked with a couple of women who've been through the process. Women are masters at pretending to be what they're not.
/r/MGTOW15/07/21 09:57 AM
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Really? I was surprised at how little editorializing there was in this particular article... it really did feel like they were presenting the men's viewpoints to readers who'd be shocked to hear them, or hear that they're becoming more commonplace.
/r/MGTOW15/07/21 07:26 AM
2

I haven't personally done research into the founding fathers yet, however I would point out that it's very hard to grasp what life was like back then, compared to what you're familiar with now. Life was brutal, and the protections we have now - like health insurance - didn't exist. I've found the best way to get familiar with a time period is reading memoirs and biographies. Memoirs particularly can provide a unique glimpse into day-to-day life. It's not related to the USA, but one of the most f…
/r/MGTOW15/07/21 03:47 AM
10

As a MGTOW, I don't see how the size of your dick matters at all. :)
/r/MGTOW15/07/21 01:46 AM
0

Do you often go around 'flaming' people you don't care about?
/r/MGTOW14/07/21 11:22 PM
0

Dude, for someone who says he doesn't care, you do seem to care. The world is full of interesting things to be doing, more worthy of your time.
/r/MGTOW14/07/21 10:45 PM
6

Why are so many women incapable of realizing they are in full control of what is happening to them? They do realize it - and then they willingly give up control.
/r/MGTOW14/07/21 04:11 AM
6

I am disgusted. Multiple levels of disgusted.
/r/MGTOW14/07/21 04:09 AM
3

Assuming you're posting this to elicit help, don't you think you should elaborate a little more? Was it a story on this subreddit, how long ago, what was it about? etc.
/r/MGTOW14/07/21 01:39 AM
9

What is this "emotional labour" they speak of? Every relationship I was in, I was the one having to constantly walk on fucking eggshells for fear of triggering her emotional instability. It was tiring.
/r/MGTOW13/07/21 10:27 PM
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[These scrotes are] completely terrified that the women they're attracted to are waking up and finally raising the bar Women really do think they are so important. I'm glad that stress is no longer in my life.
/r/MGTOW13/07/21 10:25 PM
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I don't understand why men fawn over her.
/r/MGTOW13/07/21 10:21 PM
7

I don't think I've ever met a woman in a relationship who had a baby she didn't want. But, sure, why not leverage the situation and emotionally manipulate the man you supposedly "love".
/r/MGTOW13/07/21 10:19 PM
8

If any guy here is actually doing it... dude, just fucking stop. It's more likely though she's just doing this for female validation, to make the other women think she's attractive and desirable. It's the same shit over and over again.
/r/MGTOW13/07/21 10:18 PM
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Do they not understand that this mythical man they're looking for... don't just give altruistically, and there's actually an expectation on her of providing something back to him? And it's her half of the bargain that the feminists have obliterated. Expecting the man to keep giving, giving, giving endlessly seems... like something a woman think is fair.
/r/MGTOW13/07/21 10:16 PM
3

When you have to actively look for stuff to be offended by.
/r/MGTOW13/07/21 10:13 PM
7

Every time that there's a smear piece written about us, it's evidence that we're considered a legitimate threat.
/r/MGTOW13/07/21 10:12 PM
3

"I guess love only understands its own depths in the moments of separation" I lol'ed. As if these girls actually know what love is. They follow the goddamn tingles, buddy, 99% of the time. They're not in it for a husband or a stable relationship or preparing for a family, they're in it for the tingles and excitement and drama.
/r/MGTOW13/07/21 10:10 PM
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You can pay a surrogate to have a baby. There's literally a price range. According to a quick google, up to $40,000. One time. Compared to... wait, how much do men spend on their wives... every... single... year?
/r/MGTOW13/07/21 08:45 PM
1

Most people misunderstand the term "child support". She's the child who's being supported.
/r/MGTOW13/07/21 08:42 PM
2

I think the question's more about... having something to work towards. The way I see it, most people have never really chosen their own goals in life until thrown into the MGTOW lifestyle. The freedom to do anything is often... debilitating. Like playing a 'sandbox' video game, a lot of people find it pointless and boring.
/r/MGTOW13/07/21 08:39 PM
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Only a woman could dislike someone because they like her. What the hell was God smoking when he made women? What's the sole remaining option: she likes the people who don't like her. And thus... we have all the drama of women.
/r/MGTOW13/07/21 08:27 PM
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What about the men who are vulnerable and can think for themselves? Is a therapist going to be able to relate? Do men not have a right to a peer group? Who says posting is the only thing the hard-done-by men here do? We are not cookie cutter people... We have different ways of dealing with problems. Some of our problems can't be "managed", as you may put it - the government doesn't take kindly to you trying to manage them. I'm simply asking for some compassion and understanding for the multitude…
/r/MGTOW13/07/21 12:51 PM
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Sounds distinctly like TFM.
/r/MGTOW13/07/21 12:08 PM
2

Man you got me, I beamed when I saw the post title pop up, and hoped to have a good argument! Well played. :) Agreed on all counts. "Hate group" is one of those buzzword terms that, as soon as you hear it, you can immediately discount the person using it as an ignorant tool.
/r/MGTOW13/07/21 12:05 PM
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Everywhere I look, I see the rippling effects of the recent feminization of society. Right here, too - this over-emphasis on validating feelings is very feminine. Fuck the feelings: logic says your girl wanting to fuck another man is a terminal end to your relationship. It's no more complicated than that, but this poor fellow has been... so deluded by our feminised society.
/r/MGTOW13/07/21 10:19 AM
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I appreciate this post. Thanks. :)
/r/MGTOW13/07/21 02:11 AM
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Does it matter? The baby shortage is already in full swing, and it's not because men were in shortage. Whether men are around or not now seems irrelevant.
/r/MGTOW13/07/21 02:06 AM
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Once she's in her 30's things will change. People aren't static - a unicorn isn't just a loving, loyal, committed person now, but one who stays so through indoctrination, manipulation, good times and bad times and disasters and all the other emotionally rollercoasters... which is a hilariously rare thing.
/r/MGTOW13/07/21 01:04 AM
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I think you're missing the point that most men end up here as the result of a series of painful experiences. We're not robots - it takes some of us years to get through the "red pill rage" and accept our new reality, and some may never make it. I agree it'd be nice if we were all... balanced. If we were all level-headed, and didn't get angry and make pejorative posts. However, for many, this is the only place they can come and speak their mind, where they can be honest, where they can vent, and …
/r/MGTOW12/07/21 09:58 PM
3

It easy as hell to get fat in this country It's easy as hell to practice self control and not eat bad food. If you can't manage that, I'd say you're the one with the problem here.
/r/MGTOW12/07/21 08:49 PM
1

The fundamental difference is that the foundation of Christianity - Jesus - did not encourage or preach violence. He was a pacifist. Whatever terrible things people have done in the name of Christianity is on them. The foundation of Islam is brutal, and it's not simply the "strong devouring the weak", it's domination and in direct conflict with Western values. Hell, it's even baked into the name - Islam: submission. Even if I believed that the Qur'an is the word of God and Muhammad was his chose…
/r/MGTOW12/07/21 07:44 PM
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I have a problem with discrimination. I have a problem with humiliation. I have a problem with coercive control. I have a problem with oppression. I have a problem with Muhammad's character, his tendancies and proclivities and beliefs. I have a problem with the aggression inherent in Islam. I have a problem with the inherently political nature of Islam. I have many problems with your religion and its relationship to everyone else. The Jizya is a place for people who have never read about Islam t…
/r/MGTOW12/07/21 10:21 AM
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I would encourage everyone to read the Islamic material, and I state again: I want none of it in my life. I'd suggest reading about the life of the Prophet (SAWS) and his Companions I'd suggest you read before you preach. I already said that I have read about it. I fell in love with a Muslim woman, and studied it all while I considered conversion for marriage... and I had to walk away from her because Islam is not peaceful, and is not free. I could not stomach it. For those who are interested, t…
/r/MGTOW12/07/21 07:21 AM
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You guys have taken one step in the right direction. You're no longer weak minded simps. But again, you can't escape from one extreme just to go to the other end and just hate women. We don't hate women. We see women, we see society, we do the math, and opt out. Islam is also not the answer. I've lived in Muslim countries. I've seen its influence and how Islam treats those who don't believe and want to live freely. I've read the Qur'an and the Sunnah and the Hadith, and as a result I want the sa…
/r/MGTOW12/07/21 07:03 AM
3

I would consider bringing an escort. You can have a laugh, she can have a laugh, you can fuck her in the coat room or wherever, and there's no risk of damaging relationships with the bride and any bridesmaids.
/r/MGTOW11/07/21 08:55 AM
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The guy's being saved from his own bad decisions, and he thinks it's a tragedy.
/r/MGTOW11/07/21 03:43 AM
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Agreed. If women were going to be swayed by logic and reason, we wouldn't have feminism.
/r/MGTOW11/07/21 01:14 AM
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it doesn't push anything woke Aside from the only male star in the movie being a 'selfish' bumbling fool. The actual father figure, no less. But this is so normal these days, you're right, it can't be considered woke.
/r/MGTOW10/07/21 10:41 PM
2

You missed the dyed hair and obviously-bad tattoo on her arm.
/r/MGTOW10/07/21 06:07 AM
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https://1lib.nz/book/5224392/b3bb45 - 'Z-library' website that hops domains frequently, but has been around for... a good long while. Pretty much everything you could want is on it.
/r/MGTOW09/07/21 01:13 AM
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I find it amusing that she intentionally hides half of her life, while hoping to establish the foundation of a trusting relationship. Women are nuts.
/r/MGTOW20/06/21 08:58 AM
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I laughed... and then felt awful that people live this way. Both your brother and his wife.
/r/MGTOW20/06/21 08:53 AM
4

And you sound like someone who's not had enough women yet, still blinded to reality by their own hormones and need for female validation. See, I can make broad, baseless assumptions too.
/r/MGTOW20/06/21 08:45 AM
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Of course not. I'm sure he was just abusive.
/r/MGTOW21/05/21 12:29 PM
2

Really not a fan of 21 Studios after their head started declaring himself president of the manosphere.
/r/MGTOW20/05/21 01:30 PM
2

That's a haunting thought.
/r/MGTOW14/05/21 02:27 PM
3

This may be one of the happiest divorce stories I've heard, if that's not an oxymoron
/r/MGTOW14/05/21 01:07 PM
3

Oh, but they think they won and act like they won and their friends believe they won and society tells them they won.
/r/MGTOW14/05/21 01:03 PM
1

Good luck!
/r/MGTOW14/05/21 12:58 PM
6

I wouldn't say that 'opening up' will get you called out for toxic masculinity at all... It's just a major turnoff for them, and whatever you open up to them about will be weaponised against you whenever she feels like it.
/r/MGTOW14/05/21 12:57 PM
7

Christ, you should get into writing horror.
/r/MGTOW14/05/21 12:47 PM
5

I lol'd. Thanks. :)
/r/MGTOW06/05/21 10:59 AM
24

I never understood why master/slave is considered problematic terminology. Are there actual slaves who are feeling offended when doing programming? Or are we worried that actual slaves would be so offended by computer terms, as opposed to, oh I don't know, actually being a slave?
/r/MGTOW06/05/21 10:35 AM
21

I lol'ed. You got me. Thanks dude!
/r/MGTOW01/05/21 11:55 AM
8

Why are you in the relationship right now? If it's not a net positive, and don't see it becoming a net positive, what's the point?
/r/MGTOW28/04/21 10:27 PM
1

Cheers for the write-up, I appreciate the recommendation! My last trimmer's on the way out, and I've been using it for 6-odd years to cut my hair weekly.
/r/MGTOW28/04/21 08:30 PM
4

It reads a lot like a report, but I certainly appreciate the sentiment. :) I'm sorry to hear you've had a rough time... but we pretty much all have here, so at least you're in good and understanding company!
/r/MGTOW28/04/21 11:08 AM
8

Out of curiosity, which Aliexpress trimmer are you talking about? I try to avoid buying Chinese made these days... but if it's a quality product and last a long time, I figure it means I'll avoid giving them more money in the long run. :)
/r/MGTOW28/04/21 09:03 AM
4

just people throwing numbers like this are tiring. It's the internet... it won't ever get better. :) Unfortunately the sources you posted doesn't talk at all about 80% of women reproducing I'm not saying that the OP's numbers are right, just that the principle of there being, generally, significantly more women reproducing than men throughout history is right. Check the last article, that was poorly designed and where even the authors had to correct it: What's your point? An error in one study d…
/r/MGTOW05/04/21 09:31 PM
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I don't know why you're being downvoted for asking for sources. I don't know OP's, but a quick google search results in studies like this which, at a rough glance, indicate throughout history they've found significantly more women were involved in reproduction than men: https://investigativegenetics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/2041-2223-5-13 I suggest you google yourself to find more. The principle is legit... sometimes getting even more extreme, apparently at one into the early agricultu…
/r/MGTOW05/04/21 09:07 PM
6

No, it's referencing the Duluth model.
/r/MGTOW20/02/21 11:34 PM
1

I'd love to be a teacher. I know other men who'd love to be teachers. But the risks are way too goddamn high. It's a frustrating situation to be in... and the risks won't be going down without another large cultural shift.
/r/MGTOW05/02/21 10:50 AM
1

and they don’t tell you what they’re actually offering I'd point out that they don't tell you because you are not important; what they do is intended to benefit themselves. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGlTC85mY-c
/r/MGTOW21/01/21 11:27 PM
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The scenarios never get any better. The longer you're in the relationship, the more her limerence for you fades, the worse her communication ability becomes... and the relationship disintegrates.
/r/MGTOW14/01/21 11:04 AM
1

Yup. The fact they are going after him so hard indicates that they very much fear what he may do in the next two weeks. Because they must know that what they've done in the past 48 hours has done irreparable damage to the country.
/r/MGTOW10/01/21 06:24 AM
1

Are there any countries that don't bow to women? Historically, even when men ruled in public, women ruled behind closed doors. This is true for many countries under Islam, too. It appears to be part of human nature.
/r/MGTOW10/01/21 06:20 AM
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And now they have a bigger problem: Amazon is cutting off their AWS web hosting as of Sunday, and it may take them a week to get back online on their own infrastructure -- which will surely have teething problems. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/01/amazon-cuts-off-parlers-web-hosting-following-apple-google-bans/
/r/MGTOW10/01/21 04:29 AM
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Not only on phones - the entire website is going to be shut down on Sunday, since Amazon is cutting off its website hosting. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/01/amazon-cuts-off-parlers-web-hosting-following-apple-google-bans/ In the article Matze says it may take them up to a week to get back online.
/r/MGTOW10/01/21 04:26 AM
1

I allow myself to eat takeaways. I might consider myself takeaway positive, but I don't believe eating takeaways for every meal is good or healthy. Why do so many women have trouble understanding that there is value in moderation and self control? That continual indulgences may cause problems?
/r/MGTOW08/01/21 09:31 AM
4

I appreciate your writing this thoughtful response. I hadn't made the mental connection about how in the past more psychopathic men would likely have been social outcasts, and thus less attractive as a prospective long-term partner (as opposed to short-term sexual partner). It is interesting to notice yet another way the modern world has had a negative effect on relationships.
/r/MGTOW22/12/20 03:27 AM
3

It depends what services the escort is offering. If you want kisses and cuddles, go for one offering FGE (Full Girlfriend Experience), or whatever the equivalent is called in your country.
/r/MGTOW21/12/20 10:09 PM
5

Here my good man, have an upvote. And merry Christmas.
/r/MGTOW21/12/20 08:43 AM
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Do you think that having a girlfriend or a wife will stop you from being lonely? The loneliest men I've met are some of the married ones... who come home after work, park the car in the driveway... and sit there... dreading having to go inside with her. It sounds like you need to ask yourself what you're looking for. If it's companionship, get a dog. If it's a friend - what does friendship mean to you? Seriously contemplate the question. And then ask yourself why you're on reddit asking for help…
/r/MGTOW21/12/20 03:10 AM
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And yet women constantly say - without evidence - that their sexual history has no bearing on who she is now.
/r/MGTOW21/12/20 01:54 AM
2

Epic. Thanks for the laugh!
/r/MGTOW20/12/20 11:28 PM
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Is it the truth? We hear a lot of things, from a lot of different studies, and there are also conflicting studies. E.g. as written about here https://www.fatherly.com/health-science/female-orgasms-conception-fertility-science/ Unless you're intimately familiar with the topic, it pays to keep an open mind. Science is rarely ever set in stone.
/r/MGTOW20/12/20 11:25 PM
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You lucky bugger! I've been trying to upvote everything attempting to get my ban, but so far I haven't earned one.
/r/MGTOW20/12/20 11:21 PM
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The reason it's spelt with magnetic letters is so that she can correct her spelling mistakes without anyone knowing.
/r/MGTOW19/12/20 10:24 PM
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Yes. Throughout most of history, men and women had little to do with each other beyond procreation. They may have lived together... but lived separate lives, with separate duties.
/r/MGTOW19/12/20 10:22 PM
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Regarding your addition of women and childbirth, I've seen an amusing observation here that women can give birth while in a coma. It requires nothing of them.
/r/MGTOW19/12/20 08:04 PM
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This is going to be a long journey, which I'm sure you're aware. We go through many phases in our lives... and over time you'll grow more familiar with the way your mind works and find ways of making the adjustments easier. You'll also develop a better understanding of the 'pattern of life', and through various hardships you'll be better able to identify what's out of balance in your life and adjust course accordingly. Having said that, practical steps: yoga and meditation. If you want to get in…
/r/MGTOW19/12/20 09:47 AM
81

Life is too short to care about sluts. Next!
/r/MGTOW19/12/20 07:20 AM
3

Ambition & dedication beat raw talent in the long run every time. It sounds like you have both. Right on man, and good luck.
/r/MGTOW19/12/20 07:19 AM
4

I will never get over my bewilderment at the female... revulsion... of men being honest with their emotions.
/r/MGTOW19/12/20 07:16 AM
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Good lord, man! Paragraphs! I can tell your enter key works, because you have a lonesome paragraph at the end!
/r/MGTOW18/12/20 09:17 AM
9

There's no one-size-fits-all answer, unfortunately, but here are some thoughts: Charity/volunteer work. One of my buddies bought an old icecream truck, renovated it, and set up a mobile soup kitchen for the homeless. It's hard work, but he finds it very fulfilling. Relatedly, 'big-brother' programmes. Even if you don't have kids, it doesn't mean you can't be there to support some boys in need. Obvious caution applies. Excelling in hobbies. There is more to the human condition than consumerism th…
/r/MGTOW18/12/20 02:09 AM
1

Off the top of my head, saidit, voat, ruqqus. There's also Discord servers.
/r/MGTOW18/12/20 01:35 AM
7

There are already several alternative platforms with a MGTOW presence. There's really no need to stick here only.
/r/MGTOW18/12/20 12:01 AM
1

Good lord, that sounds horrific. I'm sorry man... but I'm happy that you're here and sharing the MGTOW gospel.
/r/MGTOW17/12/20 10:48 PM
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once you take the red pill you realize it's not worth it and can see her for what she truly is. One of the big turning points for me was taking a mental step back and assessing what I actually get from meeting, seducing, fucking, and maintaining relationships with women. The answer: an initial emotional high, and then problems. I realized how easily it could be compared to a drug addiction. At that point... I cut it out. Like with drugs, there was a withdrawal period. Like with drugs, I had to r…
/r/MGTOW17/12/20 10:41 PM
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I sometimes reconsider what I'm doing with my life, look at my brother's happy marriage and wonder if it's worth the chance... ... then I read a story like this and realize that once I'm married with a kid, I'll be a fucking hostage. I'll be absolutely powerless and at the mercy of a woman who scores by crushing me. Thanks, OP.
/r/MGTOW17/12/20 07:58 AM
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It's a big WIN that: "simp" is recognised as the insult that it is. It's reached such mainstream usage that it gets recognition from our corporate overlords. Simping is clearly acknowledged as such a massive problem that it's worth them laying down the banhammer. I take it as a sign that our way of thinking is having an effect on the mainstream population.
/r/MGTOW17/12/20 07:53 AM
18

It's hilarious that "simp" is now on the same level as swear words and derogatory racial terms. It must really sting to those simps.
/r/MGTOW17/12/20 03:20 AM
12

For women, it appears anything that requires consistent investment - like marriage - is super challenging, and needs to be immediately reformed. And reparations paid. But only to women. I can't imagine how unhappy it must a person to think this way. Perpetual victimhood...
/r/MGTOW17/12/20 01:10 AM
2

Hey, I'm a 5'5 skinny half-bald man and I resent that! :)
/r/MGTOW16/12/20 06:55 AM
2

Legit question: does any man actually find the bull ring in the nose attractive? Or is this part of the modern trend of completely destroying femininity?
/r/MGTOW16/12/20 03:07 AM
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She got a ton of responses from men. Then called them all "weirdos". Ah, women... never happy.
/r/MGTOW15/12/20 08:37 AM
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Yup. Every time you realize that you are the one who maintains the whole relationship... in all likelihood it isn't as real as you think it is. That was a rough lesson that took me many years to learn. And many "relationships".
/r/MGTOW15/12/20 08:31 AM
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It's an interesting observation. It makes me wonder... all those girls who used to appear modest when I was younger, were they REALLY so? Or were they just pretending to be for social approval, and these days would be whoring it up like everyone else? And even then, the amount of women I'd been with who told me how they used to be "good girls" in public and sluts in private... perhaps there never was any modest women, and to them it's all a shame-avoiding game.
/r/MGTOW15/12/20 08:26 AM
3

In my view, there are several key factors: The destruction of the concepts of men/women. People don't have roles anymore. The destruction of the family unit, and feminism making women proud to not have kids. Without the purpose of marriage being to raise a child, what's the point? The destruction of religion. If you're not making vows in the eyes of God, why bother keeping them? Kids these days wafting around lost. They get married in all likelihood because they feel it's just what people are su…
/r/MGTOW15/12/20 06:40 AM
1

I spent a month making friends and exploring Beirut some years ago, while the refugees were flooding out of Syria. Yeah, the atmosphere was bizarre, and how you describe it is exactly how I start describing it to people. To be fair, I was floored at how bad the infrastructure was. There are constant brownouts. You get apps on your smartphone to tell when when tomorrow's power outage is going to be. I met and dated a wealthy aspiring opera singer there, and she took me to some very upmarket place…
/r/MGTOW15/12/20 06:33 AM
1

"reserved for children" bingo!
/r/MGTOW15/12/20 06:22 AM
4

I'm truly sorry to hear that you were screwed over dude, but I'm glad that you've begun to rebuild. I hope that any men here who're in the middle of such a struggle get some relief that there's a way through it. Regarding the anger... I don't think one ever gets "over" betrayal, not really. Do you know the serenity prayer? I'm not religious, but it helps me tamp down the heat I feel in the situations that are beyond my control.
/r/MGTOW14/12/20 08:32 AM
21

What always strikes me about listening to women speak about life and the world... is there's no struggle to be principled, no desire to be virtuous, no fighting for achievement. Instead, there seems to be a deeply-set childish desire to get everything handed to them on a silver platter, otherwise fuck everything and the world should just burn.
/r/MGTOW14/12/20 08:26 AM
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Women are invariably unhappy, because the very things they want, lead them to unhappiness. Wealthy stable husband -> bored Wealthy badboy -> continued jealousy Power / control -> bored A man out of her league -> insecurity 'taming' the bad boy -> bored Feminist "I don't need no man!" -> loneliness Dog-mama -> unruly dogs because they don't understand how to lead Dating a 'mysterious'/exciting man -> anxiety, never feeling loved/heard/connected The fact that I've never met a woman who happily can…
/r/MGTOW14/12/20 03:44 AM
2

That's a dangerous belief to have. If welfare didn't cost anything, surely then we could all live off welfare? But who would work the farms to make the food? Who would build the houses? Make the clothes? Create fuel? Every person on welfare is one person not creating wealth or adding value to society. Every person on welfare is taking resources from those who ARE creating wealth or adding value.
/r/MGTOW13/12/20 08:08 AM
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I want more people to be able to work and to be given proportional compensation to the work they do. I want to see a society where my fellow people aren’t beaten down and exploited. I want to see a society where children don’t grow up with one parent, because the other is imprisoned, or is too young to settle down, or is refused the right to raise their child because of an unjust system of laws. Why should these ideals be excluded from a sub that stands for men’s rights when they offer real solu…
/r/MGTOW11/12/20 06:46 AM
3

People think women are more sociable because they won't shut up. Entirely too much of it being vacuous gossip.
/r/MGTOW11/12/20 06:35 AM
8

Remember that every time they try flirt, give you those pretty looks, write those nice messages, remind yourself that it's ALL MANIPULATION. Their goal is MANIPULATION. They want to MANIPULATE you. Your defences need to immediately go up. In your mind, compare her affection to someone offering you a shot of heroin. It may be delightful, but it's not worth it.
/r/MGTOW11/12/20 06:31 AM
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Not just the one generation. Every subsequent generation will be proportionally reduced by it.
/r/MGTOW11/12/20 05:29 AM
3

I think women are actually in love in the beginning Like with most arguments, in my opinion it comes down to a disagreement about definitions. "Love" is a very vague term at the best of times. If you push women to define love, more often that not the responses you'll get will be about feelies of butterflies, always thinking of the person, wanting to spend every moment with them... which almost always can be categorised as limerance. Men, while at the start of a relationship may feel "love" for a…
/r/MGTOW10/12/20 10:35 PM
6

Good luck dude.
/r/MGTOW10/12/20 03:47 AM
8

Can you stop... and imagine... what it would be like to measure everything you did, everything you said, to avoid making any woman bad? That seems to be the world they want all of us to live in. And it sounds horrific.
/r/MGTOW10/12/20 03:09 AM
1

I've always loved hearing people's stories, and I've voraciously read memoirs ever since I was a teenager. Coming across men like David X who've fucking lived - in the modern age - is a wonder. Yeah, he really is a legend, and he's 100% genuine through and through. Plus, it helps that his way of seeing things got me laid, far, far more than I ever thought possible. As you pointed out, the fact he's clearly unappealing gave me hope - being an unattractive, very short man myself. And damn, he was …
/r/MGTOW09/12/20 09:03 AM
1

That's fair. :) Good luck!
/r/MGTOW09/12/20 07:59 AM
1

It seems like a weird question to ask in a MGTOW subreddit! Consider your choice carefully. As my great grandfather said to my grandfather when he was considering marriage, "marriage is for life. And that can be a loooooong time." In the modern age we can make a new proverb. "Marriage is for life, unless she decides to divorce you for no reason, without warning, on a mere whim, destroy your life in the aftermonth, and if you have kids she will enslave you for upwards of two decades. But be sure …
/r/MGTOW09/12/20 07:09 AM
5

What a crazy fascinating story. Thanks for posting!
/r/MGTOW09/12/20 06:15 AM
1

I dunno if it's worth thanking me over, but you're welcome. It's a sad way to have to treat contact with half the population... but it's a sad situation that we've been put in emotionally and legally. If only things were different eh. :)
/r/MGTOW09/12/20 06:10 AM
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If she loved you she wouldn't be giving another guy that chance If she loved the way men love! The "love" of women is way too damn fickle.
/r/MGTOW09/12/20 03:51 AM
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Agreed. Back in the day I learned a lot from some of the older / more fringe in the PUA industry - whose names I can't even remember (I had to google): mostly David X, Alan Roger Currie, and Steve Williams. Most of the industry was full of guys talking about routines and teaching you to be fake... these guys promoted being honest and direct. Ultimately though, spending too much of your life obsessing over anything is going to take you to unhealthy places. Learn what you need to, then move forwar…
/r/MGTOW09/12/20 02:35 AM
122

Because this is what every man wants in a relationship: the need to constantly babysit a child who can't be trusted when out of sight.
/r/MGTOW09/12/20 02:17 AM
1

No matter how closely you follow a great recipe, sometimes problems happen and things don't turn out well. Life is complex. His advice should be taken or not based on its own merits -- same as advice you get from any source. I appreciate his contributions to the pop culture, and his standing up for free speech and against feminists. I personally find almost all his advice to be solid. It's also worth pointing out that just because you agree with someone, doesn't mean you ought to take their advi…
/r/MGTOW09/12/20 02:13 AM
0

Sure. I don't take it seriously, I simply posted a comment on a message board, unknown to the original poster, about how I feel the addition undercuts his message. And then I answered a few questions, and gave some more thoughts, because I enjoy it.
/r/MGTOW09/12/20 01:57 AM
3

I enjoy analysing social behaviour. It brings me back to the old days when I lived in hostels for years.
/r/MGTOW09/12/20 01:53 AM
3

I understand it's use; I just believe its use is more negative than positive and should be avoided. I believe that in almost all social situations, as a man, it's better to err on the side of being firmer rather than softer. If it's a formal situation or a situation where you're worrying about upsetting a relationship, you're almost always better off not saying it at all. Perhaps this is something that comes with age, after you've reached a point where you stop caring how others feel about you. …
/r/MGTOW09/12/20 01:30 AM
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I've never met a man whom I respected, who giggled at the end of his sentences. It detracts from the point being said, by making the person appear uncertain or nervous or immature. It irks me because I care about people and want them to excel and be their best. It is, however, outside of my control, so I just shake my head and get on with my own things.
/r/MGTOW09/12/20 12:03 AM
4

Pretty sure OnlyFans qualifies as sex work.
/r/MGTOW08/12/20 11:52 PM
21

Their aversion to the word "rape" is so telling.
/r/MGTOW08/12/20 11:09 PM
6

I approve of this message.
/r/MGTOW08/12/20 11:09 PM
12

I appreciate his message, but it irks me when people pointlessly end statements with "lol".
/r/MGTOW08/12/20 11:08 PM
4

Could you elaborate please? You say you've grown out of MGTOW, but then say you're thinking of finally making peace with yourself and going your own way... isn't this exactly what MGTOW is about? What have you grown out of?
/r/MGTOW08/12/20 09:19 PM
1

Yup. Every time I see an article with no comments, I know it's ALL bullshit. And being in NZ (where the website is from), it's become the norm here.
/r/MGTOW08/12/20 07:30 AM
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It must be nice to be a woman and have people treat you sweetly even when you don't deserve it.
/r/MGTOW08/12/20 07:27 AM
4

For me, it's about my own headspace. If I actively recognise that she's putting on a show, it all seems so stupid. Otherwise I am liable to get caught up in it and find it hot. So, as a MGTOW I simply make sure I pay attention to behaviours and see it through a lens of manipulation... and it successfully tamps down most of the emotion.
/r/MGTOW08/12/20 03:00 AM
3

Right, because feminists never talk about men.
/r/MGTOW08/12/20 02:58 AM
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It is not about screwing her. It is about protecting your future self. If you just let her have stuff now, after months of replaying things over in her head and telling herself it's all your fault, she may start legal proceedings and demand more. People behave irrationally when going through a divorce. Don't allow yourself to be taken advantage of.
/r/MGTOW08/12/20 02:57 AM
1

It's a smart move, but... how does one act like a simp? It's a serious question, I am not sure how on earth to simulate the thirst.
/r/MGTOW07/12/20 08:31 AM
3

And good luck finding any woman who hasn't shown a massive lack of responsibility in her past, and for her past. What always got me was how deceitfully they downplay the importance of the past, and easily they lie and cover it up. I'm glad that I don't have to put up with such manipulation anymore.
/r/MGTOW07/12/20 08:27 AM
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Google's search results for the link implies that it was simply a narration of the book. Typing this up took longer than searching for it, by the way. Here's another narration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2687RHEhGI A copy of the actual book in various ebook/txt formats: https://archive.org/details/esther_vilarthe_manipulated_man_1998
/r/MGTOW07/12/20 08:12 AM
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Interesting you say that, I hadn't made that mental connection that women love successful men because he'll buy her shit, and then expect a man to love successful women -- even though she'll still expect HIM to buy HER shit, and not vice versa.
/r/MGTOW06/12/20 02:52 AM
34

You met a girl at a gym, and are disappointed when you find out she's shallow? What were you hoping for?
/r/MGTOW06/12/20 02:44 AM
1

Why do people keep on saying stuff like this? Legalised prostitution changes nothing. I've lived in multiple countries with legal prostitution... (New Zealand, England, Germany, Czechia) and nothing wrt women and simping is different enough to be noteworthy.
/r/MGTOW05/12/20 06:35 AM
2

Q: Does one blame the drug dealer, or the drug addict? A: Both.
/r/MGTOW03/12/20 09:51 PM
6

I trudge on but I don’t even know why. My last hope was finding the right woman to make a life with What would you have done next if you managed to achieve that?
/r/MGTOW03/12/20 09:35 AM
8

Simply said, sex is a drug up there with heroin & crystal meth, and should be approached with caution in the same way a recovering addict would respond to his old substance of choice.
/r/MGTOW01/12/20 10:53 PM
4

I laughed. Well done.
/r/MGTOW01/12/20 12:21 AM
2

Congrats on missing the point. You can be on social media and still not use it. And even still, you can "use" it by posting every now and then, and still not look at it. Kids still have a choice. I'm not saying it's the average experience. But who the fuck wants to be average? Even as a kid I didn't want to be average.
/r/MGTOW29/11/20 10:03 PM
13

I tell'em that I tried women, and that I've come to realize that I'm not wired for relationships. Plus, as much as I find the idea of fatherhood interesting, I've never felt the desire to be a father and thus it'd be a bad idea for me to be one. It does help that my Grandfather's side of the family has a lot of bachelors, so there's plenty of precedent set.
/r/MGTOW29/11/20 09:17 AM
11

Shooting yourself with heroin would feel pretty good too. However, it's self-destructive behaviour. As another poster has already said, it's a drug... there's no short cut, except developing the discipline to say no. Discipline is only built when it's hard. One thing I'd point out, is that you made it harder on yourself by accepting the back rub. You failed at nipping it in the bud, and got a whiff of the drug. It would have been easer to simply say, "no thanks, I'm not in the mood today."
/r/MGTOW29/11/20 09:13 AM
19

there's this thing called social media... Which you can choose not to use. Choosing not to use will also be better for your mental health and offer you a better shot at lasting contentment.
/r/MGTOW29/11/20 09:02 AM
13

I don't agree with all of his choices... but I don't agree with all of anyone's choices. The man stands tall and declares his beliefs loudly and publicly, and has taken relentless streams of political hitjobs as a result. I respect him for standing up his convictions, and speaking out at a time when so many are afraid to. Hell, I don't think I'd have the courage to do what he's done.
/r/MGTOW29/11/20 06:46 AM
11

It's hard to put myself back in that mental space since I left it... but from what I recall, it was things like: We are lied to constantly. Everything we are told, we read, or see must be critically analyzed before we can trust it. As I explored foreign cultures and read many dozens of memoirs of people in history, I began to see that all the things we are told are true and right and good are not necessarily so. In the Middle East it was very clear that society exists under a shroud of lies -- b…
/r/MGTOW28/11/20 08:54 PM
16

This is a shocking poem. It's offensive that this content has not got a higher rating!
/r/MGTOW28/11/20 10:47 AM
20

I'm with ya there, buddy. I'd bounced around the world trying to understand people and life... and wasn't comfortable with what I found. It was the strangest thing, though, that no one else seemed to see what I saw. I really did begin to wonder if there was something wrong with me. Then one day, something "MGTOW" caught my attention. It must've been some news article or something, and I did some poking around. It was... like coming home. Here's a bunch of men who just want to be men, who want to…
/r/MGTOW28/11/20 10:44 AM
5

I don't see the problem... your health is your responsibility; you had offloaded that responsibility to someone who clearly didn't care. They pointed this out to you.
/r/MGTOW15/11/20 08:42 PM
34

It's clearly the patriarchy's fault. Even when women are strong and empowered, the enigmatic spectre of men still oppresses women!
/r/MGTOW15/11/20 10:53 AM
1

I don't think thoughts can be purged deliberately Agreed. I think a better way of putting is... remove emotional investment from the memories. She's no longer there to cause ill feelings... so the memories are just things that happened long ago, that no longer reflect the present. They may as well have happened to someone else.
/r/MGTOW14/11/20 01:08 AM
2

Haha, my mind instantly jumped to EgorSalad/Kitboga's music video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4EmC44kyB4&feature=youtu.be&t=56
/r/MGTOW14/11/20 12:51 AM
2

I agree with that. There's a lot of things that should be, but aren't. I personally don't think it's wise to emotionally invest in ones that are outside of your control.
/r/MGTOW12/11/20 03:58 AM
2

Is it an insult if I think it's hilarious and want to use it myself?
/r/MGTOW12/11/20 02:23 AM
4

Why does it hurt? Serious question
/r/MGTOW12/11/20 02:16 AM
1

Found it via google image search. It is apparently a 'performance' done by Sandra Jogeva, called Fair Deal: in Fair Deal, a performance done several times and in several cities from 2003-2004, the artists appeared in public places, gussied up with dresses and full make-up, with signs that read “Give us money we are pretty.” The artist commented that the message was much simpler than it appeared – one sees people begging for money all the time for different reasons, so why not for this one? In I …
/r/MGTOW10/11/20 09:43 AM
9

I believe it stands for Swipe / Online Dating. E.g. https://medium.com/@chuckingrocks/why-sod-swipe-online-dating-doesnt-work-for-most-people-83d4d2fa3784
/r/MGTOW06/11/20 07:56 PM
1

Not explicitly, however there are parallels that are hard to ignore. Like the way many of us were indoctrinated since youth to believe that women are sugar and spice and everything nice, a lot of us were also indoctrinated to believe "progressive" ideology was fighting for good and justice, and the right were all racist and evil. In the way many of us found the truth about women and felt angry, there's a lot of anger over the "progressive" deceit prevalent through all popular media. Besides, whi…
/r/MGTOW06/11/20 12:38 AM
2

I've worked with enough local governments to know I'd never trust anything on their websites. And it's a pity, because I'd love to trust this one.
/r/MGTOW06/11/20 12:27 AM
1

TFM would say "net tax payer". I'd agree with him, if we could figure out a way of tracking tax spending on a per-person basis.
/r/MGTOW03/11/20 05:10 AM
5

"But muh patriarchy!" is not a legitimate argument. It is a boogieman. How does one argue against "but patriarchy!"? There are no facts, there is no evidence. The patriarchy is not a real thing. In my experience it's more accurate to say that men generally do not like working with women, more than are intimidated by them.But then, you'd have to ask yourself why men wouldn't like working with women. And whatever you find out, would be grounds to slam the men for being "sexist". Which, again, is n…
/r/MGTOW03/11/20 02:41 AM
4

I'm just a man, and I'm content seeing reality for what it is. Please don't call me a king.
/r/MGTOW31/10/20 09:12 PM
8

For me it's 15, only 4 visible. Yikes.
/r/MGTOW13/10/20 11:28 PM
10

Been said that women love sooner but men love deeper I wonder if this is a male vs. female thing, or rather an abundance thing. If men had new women thrown at them daily like the way hot women get men hitting on them, I wonder if we'd also get over lost love faster.
/r/MGTOW11/10/20 02:24 AM
4

Thus, the quarantine is an odd outcome Free men make bad slaves.
/r/MGTOW05/10/20 11:00 AM
3

Legal prostitution doesn't change anything. Source: I'm in NZ and it's been legal for quite a while.
/r/MGTOW03/10/20 11:46 AM
1

Children. Life around women became a shitload easier when I realized they behave like children, and there is no mystery or excuse.
/r/MGTOW03/10/20 11:27 AM
6

Plus fucking without protection. Even if she was a 10/10, I am not gambling potentially life-threatening STDs for a few moments of pleasure.
/r/MGTOW28/09/20 08:42 PM
2

I think you're missing the definitions of the words. A stone exists. Stones do nothing. Nothing happens to them. Things that are alive respond, move, act. They cause things to happen.
/r/MGTOW26/09/20 04:26 AM
4

I appreciate the sentiment, but there's nothing to be sorry about. We learn the most from painful experiences. I learned to trust my own reasoning, and focus on figuring out what I wanted to do in life, now that pursuing women is no longer the #1 most important thing... and as a result have been achieving goals that I never thought I could. Life is good, and I hope yours is too!
/r/MGTOW25/09/20 03:50 AM
9

For the longest time, I used to think I was terrible at picking women. At a point in every relationship, I put them to the test: would they stick around if I expressed I was going through some shit? Would they provide the empathy and love that they're famed for? Not one ever did. Not one. My guy friends were typically there for me no matter what. It was night and day. At some point I clicked to the fact that women aren't actually what everyone says they are... man, it's a strange feeling to real…
/r/MGTOW25/09/20 01:39 AM
4

Wisdom can come from many people. People whom I fundamentally ideologically disagree with still have some good ideas, and I can still learn from them. I think it says more about you that you are unwilling to listen to potentially useful information based on its own merits, and would prefer to write it off simply because you've already decided that you don't like the person who's saying it. I believe this is what they call prejudice. I could post legit MGTOW-relevant quotes by murderers, presiden…
/r/MGTOW20/09/20 08:00 AM
8

Agreed. The community here likes to rip into him for what he's said about MGTOW (and his non-apology), but I believe he does indeed see the problems we see - he just sees the necessity for continued civilization as paramount, and we all have a duty to fall in line to ensure it continues. I.e. our own issues are of much lesser importance. In this context what he said make sense - we're "weasels" in as much as we are weaseling our way out of the problem to the potential destruction of society, ins…
/r/MGTOW20/09/20 07:58 AM
1

I can only imagine how it feels to be so... stuck and frustrated, every door you try to open is slammed in your face. And it's not an uncommon story...
/r/MGTOW18/09/20 12:20 PM
26

Not just Turkey. I was surprised at how popular the clinics seemed to be in Georgia (the country, not the state), and met a couple of Syrian woman who admitted to me that they'd had such surgery. It was quite likely the incident that first made me move toward MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW17/09/20 08:18 PM
2

Mostly a combination of Tim Pool's youtube channels for American-centric news, The Duran for global news with an emphasis closer to Europe (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdeMVChrumySxV9N1w0Au-w/videos), and for Asia-centric news China Uncensored (https://www.youtube.com/c/ChinaUncensored/videos) and Epoch Times
/r/MGTOW17/09/20 10:15 AM
3

I don't have words. Fuck anyone who feels they have a right to make such massive life decisions for another adult. Deceit with (potentially?) life-long consequences should be criminal.
/r/MGTOW16/09/20 01:46 PM
11

What on earth is a 33 year old married woman & mother doing at a "house party"? It sounds like a recipe for trouble. There's no legitimate reason for her to be there.
/r/MGTOW15/09/20 08:32 PM
3

I posted a reply to your comment last night before bed, requesting the story. I wake up, and this is the first link I happen to click on while having my morning coffee. Awesome. Still, it's scary as hell what's happening with the education system. I'm glad that your cousins have made some small positive impact in the machine. Cheers, and thanks for the story. :)
/r/MGTOW15/09/20 08:23 PM
5

I laughed. Cheers. :)
/r/MGTOW15/09/20 11:48 AM
18

Seconded. I want a story!
/r/MGTOW15/09/20 03:39 AM
2

I appreciate the sentiment, dude! It's good to have a bunch of guys whom you can depend on.
/r/MGTOW14/09/20 01:26 AM
5

I'm assuming she has no intention of pursuing a long-term relationship with this man... because if your primary trait you look for in a partner is someone who willingly & flippantly wastes money... I can foresee some future marital problems.
/r/MGTOW13/09/20 09:40 AM
9

That had me laughing. Cheers. :)
/r/MGTOW13/09/20 03:13 AM
13

Made me chuckle. Cheers. :)
/r/MGTOW12/09/20 12:47 PM
5

Content creators will invariably say there are several key factors to success: frequent & consistent creation, and continual improvement. One thing I've learned is that you get confidence through experience. So if you are feeling like you don't have the confidence to make youtube videos, you really only have one path to get the confidence you want: by making the videos and putting yourself in a position to be criticised. It will be very, very good life experience regardless of its success. The s…
/r/MGTOW12/09/20 12:46 PM
4

Holy shit, I had heard that UrbanDictionary went woke, but I had no idea they'd censor so completely. So they've made the entire site useless, since censorship means you can no longer tell what popular term meanings are, and you've got no idea where censorship has taken place. Is there any alternative?
/r/MGTOW12/09/20 01:37 AM
3

You can't force anyone to change their worldview... the more you push, the more they'll resist. The best you can do is lead by example, and if they start to ask questions, answer thoughtfully. Let them see that there's a better way to live.
/r/MGTOW10/09/20 11:34 PM
3

Cheers, I appreciate the response, complete with references. :) Will give it a read
/r/MGTOW10/09/20 11:54 AM
8

We are terrorists by depriving women of financial and emotional aid? Sounds about right.
/r/MGTOW10/09/20 10:26 AM
4

I'm not from the states, but I am curious... why do you recommend moving to a "super-zip" area?
/r/MGTOW10/09/20 07:39 AM
7

In all likelihood it's going to be a long, slow process, so I hope your expectations are realistic. :) Still, you have us here, and all the MGTOW content creators on youtube and bitchute to help keep you focused. It's no quick thing to undo a literal lifetime of bad programming.
/r/MGTOW10/09/20 02:02 AM
8

There is no magic or mystery. Decide on what appeals to you, and go after it. All the time you spent on women, thinking about women, or bettering yourself to attract women... that time can now be spent pursuing the things that interest you. Step one, obviously, is figuring out what interests you, ignoring how it would be perceived by women or the public. Want to learn to play the harmonica? Write sci-fi short stories? Make software? Learn about ancient history? Do pottery? Or maybe you want to p…
/r/MGTOW10/09/20 01:24 AM
1

It is a fucking rare man that is a true incel. I once embarked on a quest to fuck a hot 23 year old Austrian biker chick who was staying at a hostel with me, competing with a 70-something year old whispy-white-haired Scottish sailor with missing teeth and a broken rib. She chose him. I laughed. The two looked hilarious walking out the door holding hands... that sailor had a raunchy old time, I heard the stories when he returned after a several day escapade with her. But I learned that if you're …
/r/MGTOW09/09/20 12:17 PM
2

An entire subreddit set up to call people assholes... requires you to be civil? What?
/r/MGTOW07/09/20 03:20 AM
10

Crazy was always what my dick wanted to be in the most. I'm thankful I have the willpower to no longer let my dick direct my actions.
/r/MGTOW07/09/20 02:11 AM
1

She's hardly perfect if you feel like an afterthought to you. It sounds like the breakup was inevitable, you're just ripping off the bandaid now. So feel shit, but know you've not lost anything - it was already lost. You've built up a vision of your life that you're now having to let go of... it's an emotionally traumatic thing to let it drift off, and be left with... a black void in its place. But this is life... one thing I'll say is: life is what you make of it. When I felt this way, I went c…
/r/MGTOW07/09/20 01:57 AM
5

I think it would technically be more accurate to say we the taxpayers are paying the price. Feminism has allowed them to shirk most of their financial responsibility. It also redirects the attention to where it needs to be - the people who have to pay for their bad choices, and the system that rewards their bad choices.
/r/MGTOW07/09/20 01:39 AM
2

I'd have trouble spending $900k/month even on hookers and blow. Anyone got some better suggestions?
/r/MGTOW06/09/20 10:17 AM
6

Companionship and camaraderie. I'm here to socialise with men whom I have convictions in common with, which is not so easy in the real world.
/r/MGTOW06/09/20 03:43 AM
11

Do people not realize that "banning" something doesn't make it stop existing? What exactly are they trying to achieve?
/r/MGTOW05/09/20 01:48 AM
24

From what I've seen here over the years, there are plenty of men like yourself. You fit in demographically just fine. Regarding the MAGA thing, I suppose it's because of this: MGTOW has arisen as a response to the over-reaching and relentless feminist push, and I imagine a lot of people see MAGA as a similar response to the over-reaching and relentless woke/radical-leftist push.
/r/MGTOW04/09/20 07:16 AM
2

I dunno, I did some googling. While I didn't find a lot written about it, I did find a Quora post about this, with a couple of response from apparent medical staff stating that they do try to respect people's tattoos. https://www.quora.com/When-performing-a-surgery-do-surgeons-try-to-avoid-cutting-through-tattoos-Im-working-on-a-full-sleeve-right-now-and-Im-scared-that-if-I-shatter-my-wrist-on-my-tattooed-side-that-they-will-cut-through-my-tattoos-to-put-a-plate-in?share=1
/r/MGTOW04/09/20 05:23 AM
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There was a post I saw here earlier today, with a relevant quote by C.S. Lewis: Friendship ... is born at the moment when one man says to another What! You too? I thought that no one but myself . . . MGTOW is not a movement, and has no goals. We're a group of men who have realized we're not crazy, and we're not alone. I'm here for the camaraderie.
/r/MGTOW02/09/20 03:49 AM
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He essentially says we're right, demonstrably right, but he doesn't like the idea that we're right.
/r/MGTOW02/09/20 03:30 AM
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I think the point of the comment is women are lumped in with children because both are irresponsible. Men, on the otherhand, can simply climb through a window and get out of the damn building.
/r/MGTOW02/09/20 02:39 AM
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Hey look, we finally found a unicorn. And it's one of us. :D Welcome to the club, dude.
/r/MGTOW31/08/20 03:27 AM
2

There are already numerous alternative platforms with a MGTOW presence.
/r/MGTOW31/08/20 03:22 AM
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Welcome to the group, dude. The answer to your questions can be found in the sidebar, where the mods have posted links to relevant posts and articles. We don't really have any unifying philosophy beyond the two core points of 1) no marriage, and 2) no cohabitation - for your own protection. Having said that, there's a good number of married men here, fathers, and chads and geeks and everything inbetween. Some are stuck in situations they don't like, and others are free. There's a lot of men who'…
/r/MGTOW25/08/20 04:30 AM
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I really like the thought. I may be jaded, but the older I get, the more I find myself believing that we have the political systems we do, because we are simply not wired to work with anything more enlightened. The major sticking point I'd have with the post-statism write-up, is the final and ultimately most fundamental principle: "The post-statist considers empathy to be the path to a more civilized future." Empathy does not appear to be very common. We appear to have needed society with its la…
/r/MGTOW25/08/20 04:00 AM
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I would point out that allowing the establishment politicians to maintain the status quo doesn't make them suffer. It allows them to profit further. Trump's disliked both by the Democrats and the bulk of the Republicans, because he doesn't belong to either of their groups. There's been such a massive push to get him out of office for the past 4 years, and everything he said is being twisted against him, because they are threatened by him. He is potentially the best shot at change the USA has had…
/r/MGTOW25/08/20 03:19 AM
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with NO HELP from anyone Gee, I have a funny feeling she's getting help from the government one way or another, and doesn't consider taxpayers of the entire country "anyone".
/r/MGTOW11/08/20 04:10 AM
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I guess I would rather take the painful truth, so I guess I should give you guys a half-hearted thanks for waking me up instead of letting the world make me a simp. It's an easy question: if you had caved and supported her, how would you have felt? And how long do you think the relationship would last after that? I don't like the way things are at all either, man. But we can't fight reality.
/r/MGTOW11/08/20 04:08 AM
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Btw, is there any way to manipulate your voice live during a recording (no post processing)? Sure, though there are many choices, and it depends on what you're trying to achieve. If you want to mask your voice, you could use one of the voice effects from, say, VoiceMod. If you want to process your voice to a more pleasing sound, you could use Adobe Audition which has some great effects - there's a guide on how to live-stream with it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzjvjnHsUrk
/r/MGTOW10/08/20 11:49 AM
2

Of course. Professional kitchens are oppressive environments. No joke.
/r/MGTOW07/08/20 12:56 PM
2

I used to be really good with women, because I could tell them how they feel. I could clarify their thoughts and feelings, and give them insight into themselves. I ended up here.
/r/MGTOW07/08/20 06:38 AM
2

Well summarised, my good manalot.
/r/MGTOW06/08/20 01:10 PM
2

Ah. I remember this one from Jordan Peterson's biblical series, and thought it was awesome. Cheers for bringing it back to my attention, and special thanks to /u/TheNordicYogi for linking it!
/r/MGTOW06/08/20 01:05 PM
1

Ah yes, when they use periods as an excuse for anything, but don't you dare insinuate they may be on a period first, because that makes you hateful and misogynistic.
/r/MGTOW06/08/20 12:59 PM
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Old memoirs. One I tell a lot of stories about is Benvenuto Cellini's, an Italian master goldsmith, sculptor, soldier, and murderer. His work's all over Europe, his bust's on a Florence bridge, and he was defending Rome while it was being sacked (and a notorious braggart, so take the whole read with a grain of salt!). He was born in the year 1500. The memoir's available for free here.
/r/MGTOW06/08/20 12:58 PM
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I can still get aroused by good genetics, but at the back of my mind is one thought: it is all a lie. Her appearance, her image, her attitude, everything she says is measured to further her goals. And you're right, I get a slight twist of revulsion somewhere inside me. I will make it clear to anyone reading: I don't hate women, I am simply aware that her biological programming makes her an adversary, and I feel disdain for a society that has removed all obstacles and counterweights that may have…
/r/MGTOW06/08/20 12:48 PM
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There was a clip on New Zealand's largest news show last night, stating something like: "10,000 jobs have been lost due to Covid-19. 90% of them... were women's." And I laughed.
/r/MGTOW05/08/20 10:10 PM
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men are for the vast majority attracted to women and therefore crave and appreciate women's attention shouldn't mean you have to completely ignore your needs. I think you are confused here. A want is not a need. There are many things I want, that I am better off not having. I want a life free of responsibility. I want to be hedonistic. I want to be a vigilante and right the wrongs of the world. But often in life controlling your urges is the better path, and teaches you to be a better, calmer, m…
/r/MGTOW204/08/20 09:44 PM
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I have never seen this one before either. According to UrbanDictionary, it probably means "as a bitch": https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Aab
/r/MGTOW04/08/20 04:19 AM
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you’re a great guy = you are what I've been told that I should be attracted to, but you don't give me the tingles. Because what women are actually attracted to is not someone who is kind, generous, and sensitive.
/r/MGTOW04/08/20 02:05 AM
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this is one of the most civil communities on Reddit Indeed. The level of civility here is shocking, wouldn't you say?
/r/MGTOW03/08/20 12:11 PM
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Where on Earth do they get such twisted ideas about what men want?
/r/MGTOW03/08/20 01:09 AM
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That's a fascinating story! I'm reminded of the many times I've heard and read that men require burdens to carry. Would you prefer to not have had your children, or are they a net positive in your life?
/r/MGTOW02/08/20 10:36 PM
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Good God, man. I still can't get over the fact how men know this, talk about this, console other men over this, and yet... will return straight back to it.
/r/MGTOW02/08/20 12:39 PM
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Saying anything contrary to the mainstream feminist narrative is considered shocking. It's very telling that the same people who advocate for diversity and inclusion, allow for no inclusion of diverse opinions.
/r/MGTOW02/08/20 12:33 PM
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Looking through psychology articles, I discovered this weird acronym. MGTOW. I don't suppose you'd mind elaborating on what these articles were saying with respect to MGTOW? And I can say with pride, after mere months, they became something that they couldn't comprehend at first. They became... happy. They had peace of mind. I lol'ed. Thanks for the great read. :)
/r/MGTOW02/08/20 01:28 AM
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I appreciate your words. And you have my compassion... it's a truly shitty situation. If you happen to be here in Auckland, NZ, give me a shout and I'll buy you a beer. The reality is you have learned something important - so the years spent weren't exactly wasted. And you have many more years left to build to whatever you want. It's in times of crisis that we are forced to reconsider beliefs, goals, values, and interests. Such refocusing is often impossible without crisis. For now, it's a good …
/r/MGTOW02/08/20 01:24 AM
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I’m 23 and have never done anything with my life. All through school I was pretty much a looser and didn’t have any friends. After school I just sort of shelled up and just didn’t do anything. With never having done anything and no motivation to and never having anyone have any interest in me Iv had very negative thoughts over the years. I fully believe that anyone can have moderate success with women - barring physical deformity. I myself am 5'5, bad teeth, and wear glasses, receding hairline, …
/r/MGTOW02/08/20 01:16 AM
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Don't be hard on him, man. He's just trying to live up to his name.
/r/MGTOW01/08/20 09:41 AM
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It amazes me how many toxic stories get posted up on here. I feel for you man, and I hope he's livin' large on the other side.
/r/MGTOW01/08/20 09:37 AM
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That's a very broad question. So I'll just write, and take from it what you will. Like most things in life, your intentions matter a hell of a lot more than the actual experience. It is ultimately just fucking. Just fucking. Except instead of meeting someone, flirting, dating, going through that emotional will-we-won't-we dance to get to fucking, you just hand over an envelope with some cash. I grew up with a very catholic mother, who worked in the Church. There were many beliefs I was instilled…
/r/MGTOW31/07/20 02:31 PM
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Be thankful, I guess. I grew up with my Grandfather as a role model. Fantastically happy man, who married a wonderful woman, and had a long and happy life with her, raising a half dozen kids and having zero regrets. It set me up with, shall we say... unrealistic expectations. :)
/r/MGTOW31/07/20 10:07 AM
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She ultimately said I should just move on because she won't be ready for a long time. Which is where my original comment came from. It's been an interesting read, and reminds me of a couple of my own experiences. :) I am more inclined to say that you didn't arouse her passion enough for her to sacrifice her other options for, rather than keeping you at arms' reach out of empathy for you. It seems very difficult to go from being friends to lovers for women, the passion levels never seem to reach …
/r/MGTOW31/07/20 10:02 AM
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The point of no return for me was when I realized mysterious feminine behaviour = childish behaviour. I also used to think "no one can understand women" because I seriously expected there to be more to it. I mean, there really, really should be.
/r/MGTOW27/07/20 11:01 AM
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Well played.
/r/MGTOW26/07/20 11:48 AM
3

Two and a half men
/r/MGTOW25/07/20 09:31 AM
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Life is a very long journey, and you're literally at the starting line of adulthood. I know you're in the middle of your problems, but with time and patience you can achieve almost any goal. Patience is a very good skill to learn, and you only learn it by being patient. I hated my teenage years. I was 21 (I think?) by the time I finally lost my virginity. I was a shy, reclusive geek, and destined to work as a programmer. 5'5", receding hairline, glasses, bad teeth. I got sick of feeling useless …
/r/MGTOW24/07/20 04:41 AM
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Uhh... whether she'll fuck you or not.
/r/MGTOW23/07/20 11:29 PM
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I hope you think critically about everything you read. Life is about living, and we make our own experiences. Two people can look at one situation and see completely different things; two people can do the same thing and get completely different results. There is no one-size-fits-all philosophy, and we learn primarily through pain. It is not bad, it just is. Acknowledge the warnings, weigh up the risks, make your own educated decisions, and commit to action with your whole heart. If you want a m…
/r/MGTOW23/07/20 05:23 AM
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praising them for their honest communication and for showing they cared. I've noticed this with the media and our own Prime Minister here in NZ. Why is it so important for them to need to feel "care" from their leaders? I would rather my leaders be principled, and ruthless in their accordance to their principles.
/r/MGTOW23/07/20 12:40 AM
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Notice how they can never be "polyamorous" without having a male provider? And in lieu of having a cuck who'll willingly support her degeneracy, she's somehow decide that betrayal and deceit is the more noble path?
/r/MGTOW22/07/20 11:44 PM
2

In case you're interested, Spetsnaz has come back to Youtube after a multi-year hiatus and has been doing some movie analysis. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_eatT94YGEC2qnWTUKd7Xw
/r/MGTOW22/07/20 11:42 PM
1

Why are you asking this in /r/MGTOW? It strikes me as pointless as going to a vegan sub to ask them the best way of grilling a steak.
/r/MGTOW22/07/20 11:35 PM
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To be fair, the West has become incredibly self-centered. The only time generosity and selflessness is ever encouraged anymore, is men towards women because feminism. If they're taught being selfish is perfectly reasonable, and they're told being selfish is empowering, and being selfish is so much easier than being selfless, why would they choose to be anything else?
/r/MGTOW22/07/20 11:31 PM
1

Sure, and "dating" is so much better, right?
/r/MGTOW22/07/20 11:26 PM
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there's a trend on reddit where actual rape is met with questions and disbelief - what was she wearing? Did she just change her mind? Did she put perself in that situation? Are you sure she's not just lying? Well... yeah. Because we all know women who do this, yet most of us don't know a rapist. One is more common than the other.
/r/MGTOW22/07/20 11:23 PM
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It should work. If your treating her like shit. And are smart enough to play her doesn’t that mean your better than her. And women always date up so should it work. To what end? What would you achieve? Why jump through hoops when the prize is someone who behaves like a child and can legally destroy your life at a whim?
/r/MGTOW22/07/20 11:19 PM
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I can only imagine how we'd be decried by the media if "Men's rights matter" became a popular slogan.
/r/MGTOW22/07/20 11:18 PM
2

And mind you, 20 something year old douchebros shouldn't be messing around with teen girls. If it's legal and all consent, why not?
/r/MGTOW22/07/20 11:14 PM
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Every time you're hungry, do you immediately snack? When you're bored at work, do you just up and walk away from it? We have urges all the time, and have enough discipline to simply acknowledge they're an urge, and you don't need to act on them. This is no different. I would personally advise you start expanding your interests, and keep yourself busy. There are surely things you've always wanted to do... right? Rock climbing? Learning the guitar? Grabbing some art gear and get familiar with pain…
/r/MGTOW22/07/20 11:10 PM
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Funny, I don't think any woman's ever treated me the way simps treat them. Does that mean women are less than human?
/r/MGTOW22/07/20 10:45 PM
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Very well said. I also find it amusing that they always seek "fulfillment" through fucking and new relationships. They never, say, help out in their community, or do anything for charity.
/r/MGTOW22/07/20 10:43 PM
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Why the fuck do women always seek fulfillment through relationships? There is no fulfillment in relationships. They're looking in completely the wrong place.
/r/MGTOW22/07/20 03:52 AM
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At this point, I'm seriously considering forgoing LTRs entirely It's a perfectly valid option, though it may take you a long time to feel like you're not 'giving up', and that you haven't 'failed'. There are also some people who seem to be wired to need relationships - and to them I would say, it's important in life to exercise those things that make you uncomfortable. I am a natural introvert and loner; so I spent years living in hostels around people constantly. I hated many foods; so once a w…
/r/MGTOW21/07/20 11:14 AM
1

I appreciate your words. :) It's already done, as much as I reasonably can: about a decade ago I interviewed my grandfather and filmed it, recording about a dozen hours worth of stories, which I've shared among the extended family. I love stories. Just hearing people's lived experiences... expands my world. It's the thing I miss most about bouncing around the world and meeting new people every day. It makes me sad how little people know about their own family generally... though I can understand…
/r/MGTOW21/07/20 10:07 AM
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It was more reputational success than financial, and more on the family side than professional. On the professional side... there's a well-known and well-respected association here for car services, handling roadservice callouts, emergency products, international driving permits, insurance, etc etc. He joined as a manager at the local office, and promptly became the regional CEO (all the offices were run as separate companies). We're a small country, and that was enough to have him rubbing shoul…
/r/MGTOW20/07/20 12:26 PM
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Link didn't work for me - it said it couldn't recover comments. Good ol' ceddit did, though: https://www.ceddit.com/r/SuicideWatch/comments/htb583/i_live_in_constant_fear_because_of_the_feminist/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
/r/MGTOW19/07/20 03:57 AM
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I agree completely, and that's why I'm here. The chances are certainly getting worse in recent years. And the happy ones often have significant problems of their own. For example, my grandfather's story where they moved across the world from civilization to a hard rural life. My brother's marriage as well, is both happy and looking like it will endure - but he had major self-esteem issues from his hearing impairment and having to wear hearing aids, earns good money but works himself to exhaustio…
/r/MGTOW19/07/20 03:44 AM
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It was almost a decade after the end of WW2, and rationing was still on-going in the UK. My grandfather's family business had been run into the ground, he got neither love nor support from his parents and extended family... so decided to seek a better life elsewhere. The choice ended up between NZ and Australia... and his contacts in Australia said that they did not like "poms" over there, and an old family friend who was living in NZ said that they were kinder to immigrants here. So, here they …
/r/MGTOW19/07/20 03:32 AM
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My grandparents on my mother's side had a seemingly perfect marriage. For many years, it gave me hope that I could one as successful as theirs, with both partners working together. However, in recent years, I wonder how much of it was because they moved from London to the middle-of-fucking-nowhere in NZ while they were in their late 20's with several kids already in tow - to a place where grandma couldn't have met many (any?) 'better' men, and where my grandfather ended up being one of the most …
/r/MGTOW19/07/20 01:41 AM
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"In love" = the tingles.
/r/MGTOW17/07/20 05:51 AM
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"A fit" is used interchangeably with "a tantrum" here in NZ, and I would guess in all British English countries.
/r/MGTOW14/07/20 12:32 PM
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Of course, she's super clever man! Like who else could cut through the bullshit and see that this surge in murder rates is because people are stealing bread to feed their children? If we could gather all politicians like her and put them together in the Senate, the country would soon become a better place. Right after we set the building on fire.
/r/MGTOW14/07/20 12:29 PM
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My favourite times were when women got legit pissed off at me for what I did to her in her dreams. I thought the one chick was a special kind of crazy... but then it happened with a second and a third girl. :o I am not going to any effort to make up to anyone for what they goddamn dreamed I did.
/r/MGTOW13/07/20 01:25 PM
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she cares enough about you not to do that to you Maybe you and I have had a vastly different quality of relationships. I used to ask the women I was getting to, what they loved about me... and 95% of the time, it was something about how I made her feel, or the things I did for her. It's a rare thing to find a woman who cares about a man's wellbeing at all, I find it incredibly hard to believe they have the self awareness to know they'll cause you pain, and then altruistically choose to forsake h…
/r/MGTOW12/07/20 08:27 AM
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Play silly games: jumping through hoops to maintain attractiveness to a woman Win silly prizes: a woman who does not like you for who you are. Fuck it.
/r/MGTOW12/07/20 08:18 AM
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Of course - you are clearly guilty of wrongthink. There is no reason, no empathy, no forgiveness, and no redemption.
/r/MGTOW12/07/20 08:07 AM
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The right balance for your benefit, or for her benefit? Like you, I found that I didn't like what being an asshole was doing to my relationship with myself. I tried to find a "balance"... but the root problem was still there. And as the shittests never stopped... I kept on having to go asshole when I didn't want to be. It reached a point where I decided that it's a no-win situation, and I might as well find other ways of filling my time. But I benefit from not having the crazy fucking sex drive …
/r/MGTOW12/07/20 08:05 AM
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I do not blame a single man here for wanting to at one point have children. IMHO it's worth whatever legal risk, especially if your gf is not a total disaster. I think where MGTOW differ to most men, is that we consider the risks too high. How many friends do you need to have who have been crushed by their partner's deceit? Their marriages broken, their children put through divorce? In most Western countries, even without marriage, you are liable for child support, which is entirely outside of y…
/r/MGTOW12/07/20 06:28 AM
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This is the kind of story you could tell to young boys as they're about to go to sleep. Good moral fibre to it. :) It was a good read, and I'm happy for you - in as much as I can be with the death of a beloved family member. It is however how life is... and it could have been a hell of a lot worse. Thanks OP!
/r/MGTOW10/07/20 09:17 AM
1

Ah, women. Completely ignoring the meanings of words everywhere they go. So cute.
/r/MGTOW10/07/20 09:07 AM
1

It's amusing to me that she finds doing household chores "very hard". How do women cope in normal life?
/r/MGTOW10/07/20 08:59 AM
1

Congratulations man, maintaining the momentum is the hard part. The rate of loss is less important than building a lifestyle that is both healthy and self-sustaining. I was never 'big', but I did put on about 35 pounds of extra weight while living in Central Europe (man, they eat well over there)... and had to drop it off. I took the opportunity to change my diet, and so I now munch on fruit, veggies, nuts, seeds, and yoghurt throughout the day, and have a normal meal in the evening for dinner. …
/r/MGTOW10/07/20 08:56 AM
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Ironically it would have been just as fast for you to google it, than post the question. :) https://www.dlshq.org/download/brahmacharya.htm
/r/MGTOW10/07/20 08:50 AM
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It's mindboggling to me how they seem to think that being an absolute cunt is being "strong" or funny. If nothing else, I'm happy that in the modern age women seem to not even care about hiding their true nature. I may have wasted years of my life chasing them (thank God it never ended in children or marriage), but the younger men will have a much easier time making their own educated decisions to GTOW or not.
/r/MGTOW10/07/20 08:44 AM
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Yup. I just hope some people stop to read these comments, and take a few moments to read up on the guy. OP is clearly a press account, and this is clearly a publicity shot with "21 Convention" plastered in every corner of the image.
/r/MGTOW10/07/20 08:32 AM
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I do not support this guy, self-proclaimed "president of the manosphere" bullshit. Will avoid him and his 21 Convention junk.
/r/MGTOW10/07/20 04:18 AM
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The other thing to consider, is what kind of person would that degree of attention, and a fixation on her own physical looks, make? I've always felt... somewhat at odds with most men who seem to lust exclusively after physical beauty. For me, I had to like the person too... and 'hot people' are very rarely people I'd want to spend time around. Anyway, I've been monk for about 4 years now, and am generally happy with my decision. Every time I feel that urge to get close to a woman... my mind drif…
/r/MGTOW09/07/20 11:15 PM
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Awesome to hear, man. I'm far from a gymbro or a weightlifter, but I had the opposite problem: I was always skin and bones, and did not like the way I looked. Since I started packing on a bit of muscle, it's a pleasure every time I walk past a mirror and see the reflection of my time, effort, and love. It makes me happy. I don't do it to impress anyone except myself. I'm glad you've got yourself a goal and are chugging towards it. Much kudos!
/r/MGTOW09/07/20 11:10 PM
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One of my biggest red-pill moments: realizing that women generally do not want their problems fixed, they LIKE the drama caused by them too much, and resent someone showing them how to fix it and move forward.
/r/MGTOW09/07/20 12:31 AM
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It's a great question. Unfortunately my experiences happened quite some time ago, and my mind forgets stuff quickly when it's no longer directly relevant to me... I can only be vague here since I'd need to do a lot of reading to figure out where I get these impressions from. For context, I had spent about a half year travelling through Iran, Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt... and a couple of those months were in Egypt where I met and got acquainted with the lady I talked about before. So while…
/r/MGTOW08/07/20 03:41 AM
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and more than likely will be someone’s mother Ah, not true! She's practicing her secret technique to prevent that! :D
/r/MGTOW06/07/20 03:42 AM
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Not even returning the favour - I help guys out on the 'pay it forward' basis. I trust that enough guys actually will pay it forward... women, I know it's pointless.
/r/MGTOW05/07/20 11:08 AM
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I am not from USA and have never been to an Applebees, but considering how often it comes up in contexts like this, it sounds like a fucking paradise where women dare not tread. I would love to give the place a try.
/r/MGTOW05/07/20 11:04 AM
1

Yup. Turn on the news and you can clearly see that's the case. Just yesterday a famous British historian has been cancelled for making a supposedly "racist" factually-accurate statement, while urging people to think critically and not misuse language.
/r/MGTOW04/07/20 03:50 AM
6

You speak of Reddit like it's a unique beast. These topics are taboo pretty much anywhere in the West, in all circumstances.
/r/MGTOW04/07/20 03:12 AM
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That's a lovely pair of Sennheiser HD650's you got there. :) I've been rocking the 58x's, since I can't justify the cost of a great amp PLUS another pair of headphones!
/r/MGTOW04/07/20 02:12 AM
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Consider what happens when you desperately love someone: you spend all your time thinking about them, your emotional state is tied to their emotional state (if they're happy, you're happy), you will do anything for them, etc etc. Hate overlaps with that considerably: particularly in spending a lot of time thinking about them, and your emotional state being tied to theirs (just inverted - you're happy when they're sad, sad when they're happy). Indifference is a better opposite... you are not thin…
/r/MGTOW04/07/20 01:16 AM
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Do not approve of the title and its implied condoning of his actions. This is the kinda shit that gives us a bad name.
/r/MGTOW03/07/20 11:37 PM
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The West has changed a lot in the last generation, and we won't see the full negative effect it's had on friendships (relationships) for a while. To answer your question: yes, it appears to be getting harder. Why? Well: The disruption of technology - people's attention spans have dropped to fucking nothing. Everything has to be now, and this does not suit healthy, long-term relationships. Societal changes - we value family & community less and less, and that means we have much, much weaker conne…
/r/MGTOW03/07/20 12:41 PM
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I'm happy that you've benefited from the collective wisdom here. There aren't many places left where you can simply hear from men who're speaking without reservation, from the heart. I'm thankful for this community, too. Actually, this is the third post like this that I've noticed here as many days. It's a pleasing trend to see, and makes for a good change from the usual flak that's thrown our way. :)
/r/MGTOW03/07/20 05:14 AM
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Ahh, now we get more info! OP had made a post the other day, which included this gem: Now, when you are really happy and self sustaining alone, why would you want a woman? Always ask yourself! Fantastic blowjob? Hilarious anal ? That is really, cool, say any bullshit you want to that woman, but be fair with yourself. You should have an increased level of comfort. The "hilarious anal" gave me more of a laugh than it should.
/r/MGTOW03/07/20 04:30 AM
3

Shit... I can't imagine the whirlwind of emotion going through her at that point. How awful it must be to never reach a point where you feel in control of your own actions. Y'know, I've often wondered what adulthood - or manhood - means to me. The best answer I've come up with, unfortunately one that relatively few people meet, is: an adult must be responsible for himself, and accountable to himself.
/r/MGTOW03/07/20 12:45 AM
3

In a growing number of countries, not giving women complete access to your money is classed as 'financial abuse' or 'economic abuse', and falls under domestic abuse laws.
/r/MGTOW02/07/20 09:45 PM
18

The biggest turnoff for me was when I realized their mysterious behaviour was just childish. After that it was a lot easier to manage them, but also... I felt vaguely sick whenever any woman I was with started acting up. It simply stopped feeling right.
/r/MGTOW02/07/20 09:38 PM
12

Marriage looks great. You sacrifice everything to not... be un-married. Wait. You get married... you enjoy being married... the person who entered marriage with you threatens to destroy it because... wait. The person you entered this with seemingly hates it, and regrets... no... hmm. Ah! I get it now. You're not partners in marriage, you're adversaries. Suddenly it all clicks.
/r/MGTOW02/07/20 11:16 AM
7

Assuming you are legit, you're a pretty angry 15 year old. yknow i thought she was a great girl i was disgusted She's an entertainer, and one you've never met. You know nothing about her except a persona that she puts on, because supposedly it's attractive. It's a life lesson - anyone behind a camera is an actor, and you do not any relationship with them at all. If you feel yourself angry at something they said or did, you're too emotionally invested. naturally inferiority Things can be differen…
/r/MGTOW02/07/20 05:34 AM
2

I appreciate the thoughtful response. Cheers. :) "Oh yeah, I never wanted to play with them anyway, fuck them" says the bitter, lonely incel as they sob themselves to sleep. I suppose it's one of the troubles of the internet... when you can't see the person in front of you, you tend to assume the worst and extrapolate, and any response just reinforces what they already think. Ah well, fuck'em. :) In reality it does seem to be people that were burned by the system or those who saw friends and fam…
/r/MGTOW02/07/20 05:20 AM
2

I gave up on modern TV shows & movies a couple years back... it's become intolerable. All I ever watch now, is movies from the 1930's to 1970's with my 97 year old grandfather. Books have become my media of choice now (and god bless Kindle Paperwhites!), and you will never run out of fascinating works to read. It just takes some time to build the reading habit, and find a good supply of books.
/r/MGTOW02/07/20 02:55 AM
2

You're wondering why millions of years of evolution and instincts don't behave entirely rationally. You see the problem, right? We all have to put the effort into living with discipline, in any aspect of life that's important to us. The most important things do not come easily, but the upshot is through dedicating ourselves, we grow, and become stronger, and more resilient.
/r/MGTOW02/07/20 02:36 AM
12

We appreciate the post, OP. The prejudice against MGTOW specifically, and generally living a lifestyle without a partner is nuts.
/r/MGTOW02/07/20 01:58 AM
3

Jesus, I have issues with my parents but that absolutely takes the cake. I'm sorry man, for what it's worth.
/r/MGTOW01/07/20 01:13 PM
3

New Zealand.
/r/MGTOW01/07/20 12:29 PM
17

Welcome to the club. I do have two questions for you: do you remember what it was about MGTOW that you found stupid/crazy/sad or otherwise something to ridicule? And when you consider it now, how has your experiences changed these views?
/r/MGTOW01/07/20 12:28 PM
5

a baby for a woman tend to be "so cuuute!" while a man recognize it is a 20years long project Heh, I'm reminded of the scene in the recent feminised Terminator movie, where the pregnant Latin chick whose baby is destined to save the world, throws herself continually into danger while screaming manically in the way only women can do, "I DON'T CARE ABOUT SAVING THE FUTURE!" Even Hollywood doesn't even bother to hide how overly-emotional and deficiently-logical women are.
/r/MGTOW01/07/20 05:25 AM
58

They used to be better at hiding it, or at least care about hiding it. The amount of women I've seen who declare proudly how much they "cheat" etc these days is nuts -- that is not something anyone with a set of morals would DO, let alone admit to publicly. Something is indeed very wrong, though. It really is beginning to feel like the start of a collapse.
/r/MGTOW01/07/20 02:28 AM
8

Dunno why you're being downvoted dude. I've been shocked at how many low/no make-up girls look pretty good when young, and QUICKLY turn bad around mid 20's.
/r/MGTOW01/07/20 01:25 AM
1

Agreed. OP invested way too much energy into an interaction he says he doesn't care about. OP, "Okay" is such a convenient response, and saves YOU a hell of a lot of time and effort.
/r/MGTOW01/07/20 12:56 AM
21

I used to think the same way in my early 20's. Blue-tinted glasses.
/r/MGTOW01/07/20 12:52 AM
6

The phrase and image it conjured had me burst out laughing. :)
/r/MGTOW01/07/20 12:03 AM
4

They think men have privilege. They see hot guys getting celebrated for getting laid a lot. They assume that, because feminism, getting laid a lot means they're equal to men. They are confused why they are not also celebrated.
/r/MGTOW30/06/20 11:26 PM
8

No, the mgtow.com signup page has been dead for a year or so. If they can't handle basic functionality, it's clear it's not a viable alternative.
/r/MGTOW30/06/20 08:26 PM
54

It's always projection. Always. It's so boring. Any time they complain, it's always about the thing they themselves are doing.
/r/MGTOW30/06/20 12:51 PM
2

I myself have found that challenges that physically and mentally push you to the limit end up opening up whole new horizons. Yup. One rule I lived by and I used to encourage every young man I met to do, was never stop pushing your comfort zone. Every week do something that makes you feel uncomfortable, and every day if you can. Keep that momentum up! Almost invariably it becomes addictive. "A knight in shining armor is a man who has never had his metal truly tested." I can agree with that. :) It…
/r/MGTOW30/06/20 12:00 PM
14

Hmm, so there are more bans rolling on through eh. Interesting.
/r/MGTOW30/06/20 11:44 AM
3

it ain't THAT rough compared to the shit men had to go through before! The root of the problem seems to be that a lot of us, as men are a little "soft". In my experience, this is entirely correct. Any man who I've ever admired, has been through shit. Intentionally, they'll wade through hell to achieve their goals. They are tenacious. Myself, I had a very sheltered upbringing, grew up as a very short, socially-awkward geek, and despite my career success, I got absolutely fucking fed up with feeli…
/r/MGTOW30/06/20 11:35 AM
1

According to what they've written, it does appear so. However Reddit and all the other big tech companies have proven time and again that they have no principles... so whether you're following the rules or not, if they don't like what you're saying, you're going to get banned with no recourse. Their two guiding motives seem to be: 1) appeasing the most vocal and angry groups who would cause them trouble, and 2) maintaining as large a flow as ad-revenue as possible, which means getting rid of any…
/r/MGTOW30/06/20 11:20 AM
1

Why bad or sad? The only constant in life is change, and this is easy change: one website to another.
/r/MGTOW30/06/20 11:15 AM
5

You're putting in the hard work right now. Soon enough, it'll begin paying off massively. After that, you'll be laughing all your way to the bank. People who've never struggled, never learn resilience and they never learn perseverance. Two of the most important life skills to master, and you'll already have them in your pocket. Society may give you a handicap, but you'll ultimately be a better man - and a better-skilled man - for it.
/r/MGTOW30/06/20 10:40 AM
-1

Look at this misandrist I can't see anything misandric in her posts... she doesn't like men and doesn't want to date'em. I can't see how that's any worse than how I feel about women. Except I still am attracted to'em, just keeping my hands way the fuck off. :)
/r/MGTOW30/06/20 10:36 AM
3

My way of coping, is to survive enough bad/crazy shit, and read through enough historic worse shit, that whatever I happen to be going through currently is never actually so bad. For example, one book JP talks about constantly is Solzhenitsyn's The Gulag Archipelago. It is a fucking awful read, and seemingly endless, but good God it'll make modern troubles seem as bad as someone maliciously swapping out your Cap'n Crunch for Froot Loops.
/r/MGTOW30/06/20 10:33 AM
1

There are endless posts here about the same thing. :) There's been nothing said about this subreddit's admins and their plans, however there are other MGTOW subreddits, and MGTOW presences on pretty much every other modern reddit alternative. We're not going anywhere. If the worst happens, we'll likely split and settle among the different places, but that's not a bad thing.
/r/MGTOW30/06/20 10:26 AM
8

I spent some several hundred hours studying the Qur'an, while considering marrying a lovely Egyptian woman I'd fallen for. Yeah, the Qur'an and the Hadiths are pretty damn on-the-nose about women, however the instructions on marriage and other aspects of life were not very comfortable for me. Not that I would assume it should be, just pointing out from a Western perspective, it is a very different way of life. :) As a Westerner, I'd suggest anyone with an interest in society or global affairs to…
/r/MGTOW30/06/20 10:21 AM
12

Ignore them if you can, or cut them out of your life if you can't. And if you can't do that, use the opportunity to exercise patience, self restraint, and acceptance. The serenity prayer can help. What do you do if someone in your family is deceitful or manipulative, or otherwise a source of negativity that you don't want to deal with? Same thing. We all learn eventually that you can't change people. You can be there to support and guide them if they want to change themselves, but this is such a…
/r/MGTOW30/06/20 10:15 AM
10

As a group feminists have twisted society so that male strength is scorned, then at the same time they individually scorn any man who is weak. It's bullshit, but it is what it is. About the voice, if you care at all (and I'm not suggesting for a moment that you should), there are exercises that can be done to make your voice more appealing - speaking more from the diaphragm, tips to get more resonance, change the pace, rhythm, and emphasis of your talking. It can make a substantial difference...…
/r/MGTOW30/06/20 10:11 AM
5

Despite only having been around for 3 months, he has over 2.4 million subscribers. Overall, I think the amount of people who have flocked to the channel as well as their quality of character is an eye-opener of how needed fathers are. FYI, I am under the impression he was given a shoutout by pewdiepie, hence the massive sub count. But yes, you're right, it is something that is needed. My dad was around, but emotionally unavailable. I've learned a lot of stuff of youtube that many would ask their…
/r/MGTOW30/06/20 08:03 AM
4

Encouraging people to think critically about their consumption is really goddamn hateful to big corporations. They got what they deserved.
/r/MGTOW30/06/20 07:48 AM
2

No clue. The only thing I could quickly find about it, was it was quarantined in March. I'm sure we can all guess what it was though.
/r/MGTOW30/06/20 07:11 AM
2

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate. Source: https://www.reddithelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/account-and-community-restrictions/promoting-hate-based-identity-or Obviously it's not intended for women to be allowed to be targets of hate. However, women are the majority in USA, are they not? So it appears they …
/r/MGTOW30/06/20 07:08 AM
4

If that were true, I can't imagine the poster would get it wrong both in the image, and in the post title.
/r/MGTOW30/06/20 03:07 AM
11

I'm still puzzled how "rape" went from violent forced sex, to... "there was a little period during one instance of sex with my partner in a loving relationship, where I was a bit uncomfortable." We all here have learned that one moment is enough to destroy you in her mind, as if you've never done anything good, ever. It's bullshit. GYOW.
/r/MGTOW30/06/20 02:42 AM
17

Ergh, please no "kings!" stuff.
/r/MGTOW30/06/20 02:23 AM
4

I don't get this one. "The is no love"? I feel like I'm missing something.
/r/MGTOW30/06/20 02:16 AM
3

I'm not familiar with your original post; do you have a link? I gather he's going through a painful betrayal in his marriage/relationship. You know, it's times like this that I find family really hard to deal with, but also... you know you can't walk away and ignore it. It can drag on for years... and though I can't speak for your father, I am sure in the long run he'll appreciate the time and effort and love you're putting into helping him.
/r/MGTOW30/06/20 02:15 AM
2

When the person you're fighting is the one who makes the rules, and is shown to have no principles... you cannot win a principled fight.
/r/MGTOW30/06/20 02:11 AM
3

There are numerous places. There are other subreddits, and other platforms. Off the top of my head, I know there's a MGTOW presence on all of voat, ruqqus, saidit, and parler. All the platforms have problems, I am sure, and I have no idea which one's best or biggest. Anyway, banning this subreddit is not going to change a thing. Have no worries.
/r/MGTOW30/06/20 02:00 AM
10

/r/NGTOW got hit instead. Maybe the person typing the list had fat fingers? :)
/r/MGTOW30/06/20 01:58 AM
14

It may be true, but antagonising people is usually counter-productive.
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 11:18 PM
2

Pass it forward, dude. There will always be younger men in need of someone to talk with.
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 11:00 PM
6

Not only that, they apparently changed the Content Policy to allow hate speech against women! What a strange day.
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 10:58 PM
73

Fuck off Is she... telling you to go your own way?
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 10:36 PM
5

Well isn't that just the million dollar question. At a global context, we're all minorities... except, perhaps, and highly ironically, for women.
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 10:34 PM
4

Yeah, I laughed when I read that line too. It never ceases to amaze me how many people, and women particularly, can't take responsibility for their own actions. I'm not sure it will ever cease to amaze me... it's such a tragic, unhappy way to live, as a perpetual victim that supposedly has no power to make anything better.
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 10:31 PM
24

That would be hilarious.
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 10:18 PM
12

What situations give you a feeling that you are living in a world ruled by clowns? Reddit just updated its Content Policy to allow hate-speech against the 'majority'.
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 10:12 PM
3

Lost my family Lost my sense of privacy Lost the right to my body Lost my dignity Lost my mental health No chances at first impressions Few brands will work with me Makes my marriage harder I worry about my future kids Gee, maybe you shouldn't have done porn. It's not like this is not the logical fucking conclusion that anyone, ANYONE, would have been able to warn her of - and I'm sure did warn her of. I can imagine her response to whoever told her not to. "Don't tell me what to do! My body, my …
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 09:38 PM
14

Discussion is not allowed. We must conform and get in line. The days of being civil to those you disagree with are long since over, and it's heartbreaking.
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 09:31 PM
34

She says "Have you ever done anything good!?" It's striking to me that women are exactly the same over the course of centuries, across wildly different cultures. Younger gents, take note of this well.
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 09:29 PM
6

I would take her side if she would repay all money received No. No, you don't get to just reverse a contract because you're unhappy afterwards. She made a choice, and she committed herself to it. She lives with the consequences of that, same as the rest of us do.
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 09:16 PM
6

But the poor guys over at /r/NGTOW apparently got smashed with said hammer. I can only imagine what the 'N' stood for. :)
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 08:57 PM
2

I don't know why? They can't manipulate you to their benefit. Easy. Most of us here find it's easier to hide our MGTOW beliefs behind a thin facade of blue-pill-ness. If someone asks why I'm single, "I just haven't found the right one yet." It saves me from having to deal with shit like this. I can't wait to start in a master degree this summer in programming. Why wait to start a masters degree? Programming is something you can absolutely pick up by yourself. Feel free to send me a PM to discuss…
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 12:57 PM
1

But you have to admit, she's so cool! /s
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 12:53 PM
2

You're assuming they care about logic. No, they just say whatever they need to to get the result they want. As much as I'm on the fence about TFM, he has one phrase that I accept as truth: "women use words like magic spells".
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 12:47 PM
12

Excellent point. Thank you for it.
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 12:46 PM
3

Narcissism and hedonism is the opposite of what you want. My interpretation of what he is saying in point 8 is that you should learn to enjoy your own company, e.g. when you're alone. It's something that very few people ever seem to actually manage -- particularly young people these days, who often don't even know what to do with themselves if they have no phone within reach. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding his point though.
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 12:29 PM
4

Right now I'm trying to focus on losing weight, I started by reducing on food, saving me money. Next I want to start doing a sport, I like swimming so maybe I will go with that when the virus ends. This is one thing that going your own way is great for... I set my sights on new goals, and I pursue them. There's always new some new challenge for me. My brother who's got 3 children... he has no time to even see a movie, let alone do anything positive for himself. Good luck to you. :)
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 12:19 PM
9

We're in such a shit transition time for young men. Taking an emotional step back, it really is a fascinating time for male-female dynamics. I can't see how things can ever go backward with technology being the disruptor that it's already shown itself to be... and lord knows what changes the near future is going to bring. But yeah... the both the going-MGTOW and going-monk decisions became progressively easier as I realized... it's insane enough for me to live right now and try make sense of the…
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 12:11 PM
3

Fast forward to a recent long term girlfriend wanting to move in and live together. I declined and we broke up. Awesome end to the story. Cheers for the laugh. :)
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 12:01 PM
1

Women logic. Focus on the "women" part rather than the "equality" part, because "equality" is vague. Don't even dare ask her if someone started a movement called "masculinism", what she would think the purpose of that movement would be? And would it be at all vague?
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 03:29 AM
1

There's a MGTOW presence on voat, ruqqus, saidit.
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 03:26 AM
3

Hear, hear!
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 03:04 AM
5

I'm reposting this, since you deleted the other comments where I replied. Right, now we're getting somewhere. To live with me in same place to bring a coffee You've talked to men in long-term relationships, yes? You know that women don't just bring you cups of coffee and cook for you -- for every small thing they do for you, you need to do even larger things for them. Any married man here will confirm. There are endless posts about it. or drive Once more, they don't do things for you out of the …
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 02:56 AM
2

Right, now we're getting somewhere. To live with me in same place to bring a coffee You've talked to men in long-term relationships, yes? You know that women don't just bring you cups of coffee and cook for you -- for every small thing they do for you, you need to do even larger things for them. Any married man here will confirm. There are endless posts about it. or drive Once more, they don't do things for you out of the goodness of their heart. And even if they DID, when it comes to driving, t…
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 02:54 AM
2

Well said. :) Though I would point out, we struggle to achieve a goal. The issue here, is there's no valid goal. One may think marriage is the goal... but we've all seen what happens to most married men. Struggling for the point of struggling is silly. I wouldn't give away all my resources to struggle with poverty for no reason.
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 02:37 AM
1

You still haven't answered the question: What about women's company specifically are you desiring? I hope you can understand why I'm asking. If it's not sex, what is it? Are you wanting female validation? To have something warm and soft to cuddle? To have someone look at you with deep love in their eyes? Most of what men want from women is only ever available on a VERY temporary basis. It's a fantasy. However, there are other sources of satisfying needs... a dog for love and companionship, an es…
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 02:33 AM
1

You haven't answered the question: why can't male friends fulfill you needs? What about women's company specifically are you desiring? Sometimes i wish i had Girlfriend I am not looking for pussy just spend time with someone I already spend time with males You are clearly looking for something in the company of women, beyond wanting to "spend time with someone", which you're already getting from male friends. I ask not to harass you, but if you can't even explain what you're feeling, then you ca…
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 02:26 AM
4

If it was just "time with someone", why can't male friends fulfill you needs? What about women's company specifically are you desiring?
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 02:21 AM
16

Welcome to the club that you're not allowed to talk about, and are scorned for if you belong to. Ironically, the vitriol you witness for MGTOW only serves to help a guy disregard the media and society, and go his own way. Out of curiosity, was there any one or two key experiences that led to your change of thinking? If so, what were they?
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 02:10 AM
3

You're not alone there. It takes a looong time to undo a lifetime of bad programming... and it's the only reason I ever come back to this subreddit, to reaffirm the reasons for my decision to go monk and not slide back into that very delightful feeling of getting with a hot woman. :)
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 02:07 AM
17

In other news, degeneracy is increasingly popular. Living with morals, principles, or a code is so old-fashioned.
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 01:24 AM
5

Welcome to the club, dude. Girls were sold a Disney fantasy, and men were sold a happy-marriage fantasy.
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 01:22 AM
1

As a man, I have always been very careful with my words. Words have power, and if I am not fully believing the words, I will not say them. Women, however, are the opposite. I could never quite put my finger on how women used words, but TFM said it best, even if I disagree with a lot of what he says: "women use words like magic spells". They do not mean what they say, they're ALWAYS simply trying to get a desired result.
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 01:18 AM
2

a movement, in my eyes, requires a mission or a purpose. MGTOW is simply a bunch of men who've decided that women are too dangerous to tie yourself to.
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 01:15 AM
2

They'll also prioritise name-calling and shaming over logic and coherent communication.
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 01:13 AM
3

Yup. And a never-ending struggle. Why would any sane man want that?
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 01:11 AM
5

"rapey behaviour"... riiiight. I don't think I could take anyone seriously who uses a clearly bullshit phrase like that. Besides, when are women going to start calling out "whorey behaviour"?
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 01:09 AM
34

Could be worse. Could be Brie Larson.
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 01:06 AM
15

No - new users cannot sign up to mgtow.com, since their join page has been disabled for like a year due to "site-wide upgrades". They apparently can't even manage basic website functionality. All very well and dandy for those who have accounts, but certainly no substitute.
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 01:04 AM
5

After having lived in many parts of the world, I personally confirm that women are the same. Some cultures still manage to restrict their destructive instincts... but the instincts are still there (so you can't safely bring them back to YOUR country), and cultures in many parts of the world are changing rather quickly (so you can't safely stay in THEIR country either). Also, many women in more traditional cultures are much better at being covert with their manipulations, whereas in the West, at …
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 12:27 AM
1

voat and saidit. There are issues with all the new platforms though. We'll have to see where the bulk of MGTOW settle after reddit's gone
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 12:24 AM
1

I hate to break it to you, but I don't believe that mgtow.com's "join" page has worked for at least a year - "pending site-wide reconstruction" or some such tripe. There's ruqqus, voat, and saidit each with a mgtow presence.
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 12:23 AM
1

So what you're saying is... we should go far from civilization, start a commune with no tech or media, and raise kids with no awareness of any outside world, and put them goddamn work while we chill and brew our own beer? :)
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 12:18 AM
2

Well said. I appreciate you taking the time to type it out and post it. :)
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 12:16 AM
36

Agreed. It is sickening how the system is allowed to - and will happily - crush a man so completely and unfairly. There is something really fucking broken.
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 12:07 AM
3

I've always been attracted to 'broken' women. I've met a lot of other men who've noticed the same thing in themselves. It's interesting to read that there may actually be something going on behind it. Thanks very much for the link!
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 10:52 PM
2

Indeed. The similarities to the Matrix really are striking. It's a truth that is hidden in plain sight, one we cannot unsee once seen. And sometimes I do catch myself wondering if ignorance really is bliss... But I enjoy the pursuit of truth too much to believe it.
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 01:25 PM
4

Agreed. Virtually everything I've ever wanted to learn, I've figured out how to do from Youtube. Obviously it's not as good as having someone personally show you, but it's more than any other generation in all of history has had. Bringing up jean legs, sewing buttons, pressing flowers (sigh, those blue-pilled days...), digital painting, 3d modelling, digital music composition, ANYTHING to do with cars, replacing cable plugs, the list goes on and on. As much as I hate Youtube's values, I do appre…
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 12:22 PM
4

I put on a couple of great movies from the 1930's and 40's for some friends the other day... I was shocked at how much they hated it. The older I get, the more of the world I see, the more hobbies I experiment with and books I read and people I meet, the more floored I am at how narrow other people's interests are. How can people live with so little passion or curiosity?
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 12:16 PM
25

A man's a fool to take a woman to a meal. My favourite place used to be to take'em to feed the swans. Cost me however much gas it was, and a few slices of bread. Plenty of opportunity to get talk and get to know them. Unfortunately, 33% of women I met apparently scored highly in the "dark triad" personality traits of narcissism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism. The other 2/3 were just your bog standard narcissists or psychopaths.
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 12:12 PM
3

Yikes. I'm really surprised you picked up on it and have it resonate with you from such a young age. I was still so bluepilled that even if someone shook me and showed me the truth, undeniably, I'd still have rejected it and come up with 100 reasons why it can't be true and reality must be wrong. Anyway, cheers dude. :) I'm gonna have a beer to that. You have a great day.
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 10:43 AM
4

Haha, I think the biggest mindfuck for me was asking each of the women I'd been involved with for a while, "what do you love about me?" -- and the only answers I ever got were things I did for them and to them. And yet they're seen as the empathetic gender. The modern world's one giant joke, and the good news is if you have a sense of humour, there's endless shit to laugh at. Good times man. :)
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 10:29 AM
1

I cant help what is primal in me What makes you different to the rest of us? We all have to manage our urges. We all have to develop discipline in many aspects of life. There's no shortcut, there's no cheat. You simply have to do the thing you know you need to do, even if it's hard. The more you do such things, the more you build momentum, and one day you might start feeling unstoppable. I hope you reach that point.
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 10:24 AM
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All good things must come to an end, but it doesn't mean the end of all good things. The community will continue to grow around the world, just not on reddit. And we'll be better for it.
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 09:38 AM
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The amount of time I put in to trying to get girls was such a waste now that I look back at it. Things are very rarely a waste of time. You learned the experience I'm sure... and that learning will have value: knowing about women helps you navigate problems with them. Thus, it's not a waste of time, the benefit was just not the one you were expecting. Your initial point of view is never exactly reality with no room for interpretation. There's always other ways of seeing a situation, and always o…
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 09:26 AM
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I appreciate it. Have a great day, dude! :)
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 08:52 AM
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But what happens if the abuse happens after signing the consent form?! Oh noes! Everything is invalidated! Stay clear, gents. This is a job for Monk-man!
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 08:51 AM
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It was clear. Nowhere in what he said implied how he was meeting them. Presumably he was successful enough at the meeting part to get to the fucking part, to get to the going monk part. However, you not reading critically doesn't make me the idiot: I had girls swipping on tinder or talking to instagram orbiters in the morning after sleeping with them. Im going monk mode my friends. Anyway, I apologize that I assumed wrong, and misjudged you. :)
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 08:43 AM
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https://www.bitchute.com/video/OZSLlfygZzI/ How did I find it? I went to duckduckgo, and searched: turd flinging monkey human solitude loneliness If you don't know, all TFM's stuff is uploaded to bitchute, I believe. So you don't need to download it or worry about youtube banning him. He has other platforms.
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 08:28 AM
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Welcome to monkland, my dude. It's a happy place, full of nature and hobbies and big boy's toys. And the best part is? It's so fucking peaceful!
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 08:25 AM
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It's clear you didn't actually read what he wrote, and that you've come just to make argument. Why? If you disagree with us... would it not be better to ask for clarification, or have a discussion, rather than half-hearted trolling?
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 08:23 AM
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Rapefruit... isn't that the thing where the woman cucks her husband, and is caught growing the fruit of another man's seed?
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 08:18 AM
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Unfortunately. And thus the cycle continues.
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 06:43 AM
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it always falls on deaf ears. Waste of time usually. Yup. :) Deep down I still love women, and even though I personally cannot trust them... hopefully I can steer a few in a better direction for the normie men out there.
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 05:38 AM
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Women only date up. By getting a degree, the amount of men who they consider "up" gets smaller. Ergo, they feel like they've moved up in the hierarchy themselves. Sadly for them, their expectations are insane and they're going to end up miserable.
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 04:40 AM
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It is an implicit argument. Biological reproduction in humans gives very different roles to men and women. It is obvious who the mother of a child is, it is unclear which the father is. If you're going to invest decades of resources into raising kids, a man wants to know they're his. The mother ALREADY DOES. Thus, considering a woman to be the 'lock' that is only opened by her faithful husband as a metaphor makes sense, and the argument implied is that a woman limiting her sexual encounters is t…
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 04:31 AM
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without logically thinking about what it means. There's the first problem - how many women think logically? ^ And thus we already see the problems our society faces, as we declare men and women are interchangeable! she'd realized that the more people she dates, the more she's going to gain different preferences. Eventually she'll have a large list of all the traits she finds attractive but not any one man will be able to fill that list. Agreed completely. To explore your point about religion a l…
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 04:13 AM
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Nope, the more you do it, the less chance you'll fall for the delusion again. You're saving your future self problems.
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 03:02 AM
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Psychologist. Multiple degrees. Business owner. Lives in LA. Declared to have a "sense of humour". Looks like Michael Jackson. Thousand cock stare to boot. Every point is a red flag. Where is the "catch" part? And how is it "by any measure" -- did they even talk to a fucking guy about this?
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 03:00 AM
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MGTOW is a rather large umbrella, and it's generally considered to only have three core principles: No marriage No cohabitation No pregnancies Having said that, we're not a movement and we don't have leadership. It's open to interpretation. Generally, the men here will all have had sufficiently negative experiences with women & the legal systems surrounding marriage and children that we've decided that the above three points are all such large risks that it's simply better off avoiding them... a…
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 02:24 AM
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I'll preface this by saying I recognise your username from the other post, and I'll give a thoughtful response since you seem to want to have a real dialogue. Why doesn't the same logic apply to men? To a large degree it does. However I don't date men, and I don't know the problems women have in dating them. Personally, though, I will say for myself that honesty, trust, and respect are the most important values in any of my relationships, both partners should come together and speak straight abo…
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 01:14 AM
2

She says that I’m not romantic In my experience, men are more romantic than women. Women just want romance done to them. It's all take-take-take. And we all know that when she starts fucking Tyrone - as she's dreaming of - there isn't going to be "romance" involved. Women are consummate liars and manipulators.
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 12:49 AM
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I just think it's important to think critically I think it's important to think critically about what having a high number of sexual partners says about a woman's values, and demonstrates about her ability to have positive, long-lasting relationships. If I was buying a car I'd like to know if a previous owner had thrashed it. If I was buying a graphics cards, I'd like to know if a previous owner mined crypto on it. If I was buying a house, I'd like to know if a previous owner skimped out on nece…
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 12:31 AM
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Society is sick.
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 12:27 AM
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Please consider this subreddit as a support group for men - many of whom have been hurt, and need to heal and/or find value in themselves. Are you here looking for attention, or are you trying to contribute and help someone out who is in need? Because that post looks very much like the former.
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 12:09 AM
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how is this sustainable? It is not sustainable. The West is generally propped up with huge immigration. will any balance ever return to the dating market The dating market reflects both greater society and human nature. What we're seeing is an aspect of female nature being unrestrained by society. Unless we can put the genie back in the bottle, no, things aren't going to go back to the way things were. And no, I doubt the genie can be put back in the bottle. It's more likely that the West will c…
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 12:01 AM
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Thanks LongTimeOn... my brother's been trying to convince me to join him in the matrimonial land of possibilities, and sometimes I stop to wonder if I really should roll the dice. And some caring man with experience and wisdom like yourself, writes here offers strangers like me some choice words of wisdom, to help steer us clear of trouble. I appreciate it.
/r/MGTOW27/06/20 02:08 PM
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And young men have the joy of sifting through: Disney princess fantasy addicts Childish girls you have to perform emotional labour for Narcissistic (if not sociopathic) drama queens Overly-emotional manipulators Performative "feminist" women who treat men like shit. So that's about fair, right? Right. Next thread!
/r/MGTOW27/06/20 02:05 PM
2

Any time a woman mentions an open relationship, it is already dead.
/r/MGTOW27/06/20 11:35 AM
4

Never say anything positive to a woman - it could be considered flirting. Never say anything negative to a woman - it could be considered insulting. Never look at a woman - it could be considered creepy. Never touch a woman - it could be considered sexual harassment.
/r/MGTOW27/06/20 11:29 AM
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For better or worse, life lessons tend to be learned the hard way: through having bad experiences. Spend enough time with women, with the red pill knowledge... and it'll come. I'd also suggest that perhaps you are using women to fill your life, as a substitute for other things. Develop hobbies and interests and male friends. Perhaps get involved in related groups. I personally found once I was busy most nights week, women went from something that I thought about in my down time, to something tha…
/r/MGTOW27/06/20 11:21 AM
1

Why are you reciprocating? You're asking about going your own way. One is opposite to the other.
/r/MGTOW27/06/20 11:17 AM
1

It's insane to me that a company should care about the sexual orientation of its employees. It is so obviously wrong, it boggles my mind that people can't see it. "We think you're a swell guy, Bob, but right now what we're really looking for is men who like to suck cock like a champ."
/r/MGTOW27/06/20 11:14 AM
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Perfect.
/r/MGTOW27/06/20 11:08 AM
3

what do you give me in return? Sounds like "the juice isn't worth the squeeze" to me. :)
/r/MGTOW27/06/20 10:29 AM
6

Why does he?
/r/MGTOW27/06/20 10:15 AM
1

Hide in plain sight, my man. Throughout your life you'll find there are many times it's easier and often better to give people the answer they want to hear, rather than the truth. Particularly when you're employed in a large company with a trigger-happy HR department.
/r/MGTOW26/06/20 11:55 AM
4

"Do you think women aren't strong enough to make their own choices, and pursue their goals tenaciously?" <-- to all the people who start listing reasons why women refuse to STEM. The solution-oriented men I know won't let other people's attitude stop them from doing what they feel is right.
/r/MGTOW26/06/20 11:53 AM
3

I'm similar, I see it as a burden to be carried, a trial to endure. And I believe such things to be a very important part of life.
/r/MGTOW26/06/20 11:41 AM
3

First mistake is listening to what they say.
/r/MGTOW26/06/20 11:29 AM
5

On the off-chance you're serious: it's supposed to say "heroes work here", but due to where they're sitting, blocking out the "er" it instead reads "hoes work here".
/r/MGTOW26/06/20 11:28 AM
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The journey of life is an odd thing. There's no manual, and the end destination is one we're not aiming for. It's the stuff in the middle that's important... and it's up to us to figure out how. I feel for you, dude... no one can or will replace that hole he's left in you... but you'll keep on growing, expanding, gaining experience, understanding, and hopefully happiness. This is a starting point, not an ending point. If you're seeking some words of advice... find something you enjoy doing, idea…
/r/MGTOW26/06/20 11:26 AM
1

They're looking to be offended.
/r/MGTOW25/06/20 10:35 PM
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because its started with a white piece Yet if black moved first, they'd say it's racist because black is forced to move first like a slave.
/r/MGTOW25/06/20 09:50 PM
3

My sister went through the same thing last week - suspected cancer, none found, but probably IBS. You're not alone dude, though sometimes it feels like everything is happening to you, and everyone else seems to have no problems. Anyway, as the others in the thread have said, there are paths through IBS. No cancer is very good news. :) Happy for ya dude.
/r/MGTOW25/06/20 12:28 PM
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Even monks spend their lives practicing mental flexibility -- and if they can't get an answer that just works, there's no hope for the rest of us. :D There's no one thing you can do to make your brain do what you want it to do. It's regular effort, frequent mistakes, but as the years roll on you develop tricks and techniques that help you focus, or relax, or let go, or whatever else you need to do. It's a slow process, but as long as you keep learning, and you keep trying, managing your thoughts…
/r/MGTOW25/06/20 11:36 AM
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Good news, u/aoeAoeAOeAOEAOEEE! There's already a searchable backup of this /r/mgtow subreddit here: https://theredarchive.com/r/MGTOW I noticed it from a thread some weeks ago, and kept note of it. https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/gt711x/the_mgtow_subreddit_has_successfully_been_backed/ Enjoy!
/r/MGTOW25/06/20 10:30 AM
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Either: they've never truly considered they could be happy without women, or perhaps they're weak-willed enough that they 'need' to have someone around. Both are common. Our way of seeing the world isn't for everyone.
/r/MGTOW25/06/20 03:48 AM
1

Normal != healthy.
/r/MGTOW24/06/20 10:17 PM
2

I spent about a year between the Caucasus and the Middle East... and I was surprised at how common the practice is in both regions. How the hell is a guy ever supposed to trust?
/r/MGTOW24/06/20 09:53 PM
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What does a man use instagram for?
/r/MGTOW24/06/20 09:40 PM
3

Tall poppy syndrome.
/r/MGTOW24/06/20 02:41 PM
1

Honest question: what do you think of Steve Irwin?
/r/MGTOW24/06/20 02:09 PM
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oh look, I've just spotted a wild hypocrite out in its natural habitat.
/r/MGTOW24/06/20 02:07 PM
7

You showed weakness. Women hate weakness. You became disposable at that moment. It is incredible to me how this plays out time and time again. I used to think I was slightly mad, that no one else noticed it. Anyway, u/clownworld_pariah, my heart goes out to you buddy. I'd say I'd buy you a beer, but after your story... well, the spirit's there. :) We're stronger here with you!
/r/MGTOW24/06/20 01:46 PM
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Do they ever actually take a moment to think of how their actions affect them? Even as a teenager I was distinctly aware that I had self-imposed limits to preserve my values.
/r/MGTOW24/06/20 01:41 PM
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your contributions to MGTOW do invalidate your "argument" on this sub because they show that you are a man who thinks women are less than him You are the reason that women only places exist in the first place, we want to get away from people like you So men aren't allowed spaces, women are. Men could ONLY want to be apart from women because they think they're superior... not to get the hell away from them because they're toxic.
/r/MGTOW24/06/20 12:13 PM
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I'm not mad, in fact, I'm more proud of her for coming forward with this He calls that coming forward with it?! The dude had to catch her in a recording, and even THEN she successfully manipulated her way out of it using sex, and THEN he had to confront her a second time! How on God's green Earth is that worthy of respect and pride?
/r/MGTOW24/06/20 10:12 AM
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she didn't do it for money ... that we know of.
/r/MGTOW24/06/20 10:04 AM
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if there was a genuine women out there who was good looking, not even gorgeous, just 7/10 in looks and wanted to stay at home, raise kids, cook, clean and would never cheat or divorce, I would literally throw all of my money that I make at her and my kid(s). The problem now is that dishonor and deceit is so prevalent. It's become impossible to trust she's being honest, even if she is.
/r/MGTOW24/06/20 09:57 AM
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When women are young, they date guys based on "personality" I'd argue that's incorrect - they date guys based on their warped scale of social value. I'm not sure I've ever genuinely seen a woman date a guy because of his personality, let alone his values. It's sad.
/r/MGTOW24/06/20 09:55 AM
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In my years of living in hostels among travellers, I met a good number of people who lived for long periods with minimal costs, doing odd jobs or seasonal work, or with relatively small sources of income, e.g. one guy I met who wrote "robot erotica" that he then sell on Amazon. People living so tend to be quite happy. It's often a hard life, but it can be satisfying too. The one thing I will say, is do not forget about retirement. I've met a good number of life-long travellers who've left a gapi…
/r/MGTOW23/06/20 10:53 PM
3

Why are you not blocking the ads?
/r/MGTOW23/06/20 10:40 PM
2

Another case of a woman caring for nothing beyond tingles. No care for the man's character, no looking toward the future. Typical.
/r/MGTOW23/06/20 09:03 PM
2

offers honesty Women really know how to invert reality.
/r/MGTOW23/06/20 12:34 PM
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They are threatened by us, because we are threatening to them. Being around us will force them to consider that everything they believe may in fact be a lie... and that is a very, very hard pill to swallow, as many of us here know. So yeah, we're threatening to them. We represent a lot of pain, and the up-ending of their world view.
/r/MGTOW23/06/20 12:08 PM
4

Is it just me, or do women legitimately not care at all about a man's character?
/r/MGTOW23/06/20 11:59 AM
3

OP, what you're grappling with now was my breaking-point with relationships about 10 years ago. They don't care. They're not wired to care. For years, people told me, "you just haven't found the right one yet." Good lord, I tried. Every woman I ever got close with, I put to the test... one night, when I was feeling low, instead of enduring alone and in silence like I'd learned to do, I chose to reach out to them to just talk about stuff that matters to me. Each and every one lost sexual interest…
/r/MGTOW23/06/20 11:56 AM
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It scares the shit out of me when women throw around the term "rapist" so casually. They know that it can end a career and more, and they still do it. Malicious to the point of evil.
/r/MGTOW23/06/20 11:49 AM
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She invited him, and expected him to pay? And for a date he didn't agree to! Crazy psycho
/r/MGTOW23/06/20 11:46 AM
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This pretty much filters away 99.9% of women within 2 dates. It sounds like you spend a significant amount of time on dates that go nowhere. Serious question - what do you get out of it that makes it a good use of your time?
/r/MGTOW22/06/20 10:20 PM
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Oh man. I grew up as a nice guy... had to learn to be an asshole. A couple years into assholedom I'd already heard so much rancid shit from women that it made me go MGTOW without even knowing that MGTOW is a thing. Any time I have to interact with a woman, and I catch myself eyeing her up... I automatically start to consider what distasteful stuff she's done, the demons she's hiding, and how immorally she behaves in her personal relationships. I can't fucking have anything to do with them anymor…
/r/MGTOW22/06/20 09:51 PM
4

The fertility rate in the West has already tanked. You and I aren't going to fix Western civilization... all we can do is make the ride as smooth as possible for ourselves.
/r/MGTOW22/06/20 09:40 PM
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No principles. Sigh. Life would be better if I were gay.
/r/MGTOW27/05/20 12:33 PM
7

Upstairs_Towel has a solid point. The "red pill rage", from my understanding and my own experience, is when you realize that you've been sold a lie for your entire life. And it's that exact lie... that women aren't sugar and spice and everything nice, no, they're spoiled children.
/r/MGTOW27/05/20 12:24 PM
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I remember one kid who was in my class growing up, who wasn't allowed to watch a TV. He was the weirdo, and everyone avoided him. Avoiding 'toxic' SM would be a good idea... but I would imagine it'd make a kid teased, miserable, and lonely. Which is also a toxic childhood.
/r/MGTOW27/05/20 12:21 PM
5

PS: why not demote her to low-prio plate? Not OP, but once the trust is broken and she thinks she can get revenge for breaking her heart, you don't know what she is capable of. It's an unnecessary risk, particularly when he already has other 'plates'.
/r/MGTOW27/05/20 11:48 AM
10

I hadn't actually considered that, but you're probably right.
/r/MGTOW27/05/20 04:54 AM
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Man, if one thing gets to me about women... it's that you can't trust anything they say. They will say anything to get their way, and will hamster their way to believing their own delusions.
/r/MGTOW27/05/20 01:48 AM
1

I agree. There was one line in the memoir of Benvenuto Cellini, a goldsmith and soldier and murderer from early 16th century Italy... where he said "blows aren't dealt by measure": if you are going to get into a fight, be prepare to kill or be killed because shit can happen unexpectedly. Any battle can be your last, through no fault of your own. It applies to small things, too. Several friends over the years have asked me why I don't angry or worked up in conversation or debate... I tell them be…
/r/MGTOW27/05/20 12:05 AM
10

You rocked the boat. She got upset. You sound surprised. Anyone here still expecting women to behave consistently rationally, is in the wrong place. Anyway, we'll be waiting for you over here in Monktown. It's a great place. Life's easier, though it takes some practice and time to deal with the natural instincts to mate and make family... at least for those of us who have such instincts.
/r/MGTOW26/05/20 11:58 PM
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One principle I live by, is I accept responsibility for my actions, my home, and side of my relationships. Everything else is beyond my control. I can influence things, I can try steer things, but allowing your emotions to be tied to chance and the whims of others, will only ever lead to frustration.
/r/MGTOW26/05/20 11:46 PM
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To be fair, that was a really childish post by Sean Brock there. For people who've never heard of MGTOW, it would give them cause to think poorly of us.
/r/MGTOW26/05/20 11:38 PM
1

I would posit this: can one be happy & content in life if there are things he encounters daily that he legitimately hates? Dislike, sure. Would prefer to be different, sure. Intends to avoid, sure. But hate is strong... and can bleed over to other aspects of your life in very negative ways.
/r/MGTOW26/05/20 11:36 PM
2

I know monks can achieve what I am talking about Do you know this? What do monks do, except struggle mentally and physically every day to get closer to what you think they have? There are no clear instructions, no. In any other point in history, I believe the average person would be too busy simply trying to survive and find a degree of comfort to have the luxury of dealing with the mental problems we face in the modern West.
/r/MGTOW26/05/20 11:25 PM
4

I guarantee you if you go to any other country, at any point in history, and live the life of an average person... it'd be pretty bad. Disease, poverty, back-breaking work, until very recently in history there was no healthcare to speak of and even so only some of the world has it - this is big. Imagine if you got a cut on your arm... it could get infected. It could get gangrenous. You might lose the entire damn limb. Natural disasters hit harder - a lost season of crops could mean death, a stor…
/r/MGTOW26/05/20 11:16 PM
2

I can't consciously decide to face my fears because I do realize that guys do this so that they will not look like a bitch in the eyes of society (aka women). Perhaps there are some who are like this, but you're missing a large group of men who face fears because it's what leads to fast personal growth. I systematically went through every single fear I've had that I could think of, and found ways of facing every single one of them. It's the biggest contributor to my confidence. I love myself. I …
/r/MGTOW26/05/20 11:10 PM
2

why does someone have to [be at the top] Logic. If there's a hierarchy, there must be a top. :)
/r/MGTOW26/05/20 11:01 PM
1

Possibly. The problem I see is that this is obviously only the tip of the iceberg. What other issues are existing in her family that'll affect her thinking, that she'll instill in your future children?
/r/MGTOW26/05/20 10:10 PM
7

I would imagine that's no one's ever stood up to her before. She probably 100% thought things would go her way, because they always have.
/r/MGTOW26/05/20 09:59 PM
4

That link is showing me a 403 Forbidden.
/r/MGTOW26/05/20 09:54 PM
19

Women truly are incapable of living by a set of principles, or have a moral framework.
/r/MGTOW26/05/20 09:52 PM
24

Interesting observation. I seem to recall thinking that they must be shallow and empty men. Oh, how blind I was.
/r/MGTOW26/05/20 09:45 PM
3

You're on /r/MGTOW, you're going to get a very biased response. :D Go ahead and give up and be thankful. Having said that, back in my women-loving days, one of the biggest lessons I learned was that if she WANTS you, she'll move heaven and earth to be in contact with you and/or meet you. If she's frequently seemingly ignoring you, it's because you're not important to her -- no matter what she says. Watch what she does, not what she says.
/r/MGTOW26/05/20 09:42 PM
7

Actually, that's a really good way of expressing it.
/r/MGTOW26/05/20 09:38 PM
5

It has come to my attention the left is starting to dispose black men from their base Bah, hardly. After all, if you vote for the other guy, you suddenly ain't black. No disposal needed!
/r/MGTOW26/05/20 12:34 PM
2

I appreciate your thoughts, and an insight into Russian life.
/r/MGTOW26/05/20 12:32 PM
7

Don't worry, I'm here to help!
/r/MGTOW26/05/20 12:23 PM
1

Does this fellow genuinely believe numbers 5, 6, 7 are going to be any different? Or is he hedonistic, fatalistic, or... reckless? I am very curious to hear your thoughts!
/r/MGTOW26/05/20 12:19 PM
3

Awesome story. Cheers!
/r/MGTOW26/05/20 12:17 PM
2

Their inability to see their own hypocrisy is dumbfounding. THIS is why I only have male friends now... men seem to be the only ones capable of living by a set of principles and morals.
/r/MGTOW25/05/20 11:06 PM
3

Sucks man, it seems to me that the protracted divorce process must be just as bad as the shitty marriage. But at least this comes with an eventual end. If you were here in Auckland I'd buy you a beer.
/r/MGTOW25/05/20 10:53 PM
2

Just because sexual harassment happened in virtual space does not make it any less real or damaging Uhh... yeah, yeah it does make it less damaging. Block their ass and forget about it. Why is it so important to proudly & constantly be a victim?
/r/MGTOW25/05/20 10:35 PM
2

Alternatively, you can use concentrated nicotine, as you'd use when mixing your own vaping liquid. That shit absorbs straight through the skin.
/r/MGTOW25/05/20 09:36 PM
8

I've heard this a lot... and the thought of it is terrifying. Every time I feel attraction to a woman... I consider the fairly high chance that this is the natural conclusion of pursuing her. And it's enough to make me go do something else. It sounds like you've managed to get out of it though, and go your own way. Are things much better now?
/r/MGTOW25/05/20 09:20 PM
1

Thanks applause0, I appreciate you sharing your thoughts. You've given me something to think about. :) Perhaps I was very fortunate when I was growing up, by having an epic grandfather who made it really clear that he had a heart full of love. It's hard to remember my early experiences are not universal. My own father though... as far as I ever knew, he didn't love us at all. One of the most emotionless men I've known, and my main goal in life was to not be like him... and that drove me to be a …
/r/MGTOW25/05/20 07:50 PM
4

I just want to return to the days of the arcade, where all you'd see is TIT, SEX, GOD, ASS, etc on every high score list Oh man, that made me laugh. Thanks. :D You're right, people are incredibly close-minded currently, and I wonder how much of it is a subconscious form of compensation for the information-rich world we live in. We humans tend to lash out and struggle in curious ways.
/r/MGTOW25/05/20 07:41 PM
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Sure - but marrying a virgin may sidestep some issues, or it may just delay them... and you can't be sure which until it's too late. It also doesn't fix the core problem. Modern marriage, where neither party is expected to have honesty, honour, or loyalty, where people can just change their mind and bail and fuck their partners over, is a rotten deal. Even if you just got 1st place in the marathon and now feel like you've earned the perfect woman... there are other races. Other sports. Business …
/r/MGTOW25/05/20 11:26 AM
46

Son appears to have scorned all things masculine. Son sees dad doing one masculine thing and shows interest, and father gets excited about it. Father encourages son, hoping to foster a masculine father-son relationship. Father gets "caught" by women, and through truly epic levels of hamstering, is accused of being a misogynist and an asshole. Father is ridiculed to the point that he actually believes he did wrong. MGTOW man sits here reading this, feeling sad.
/r/MGTOW25/05/20 11:07 AM
45

It's flabbergasting to me how we're not even allowed to voice an opinion.
/r/MGTOW25/05/20 10:59 AM
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He's naiive. At least while he's young and presumably close to broke, a divorce won't be financially shattering. Just emotionally. But he's already emotionally shattered, so really, he's learned a great lesson and it'll only get better for him from here.
/r/MGTOW25/05/20 10:40 AM
4

Am I the only one who finds it ironic that the hypothetical man is being asked: "why don't you feel remorse for being so unfeeling?"
/r/MGTOW25/05/20 10:37 AM
11

One of my biggest life lessons... was that virtually every life lesson needs to hurt you before you actually learn it. Kudos to anyone who can learn from others' mistakes, but in my experience, it gives you more of a "OK so I guess I should avoid that if I remember" level emotional response whereas going through the painful experience yourself makes you go "WOAH! Right, avoid THAT shit at ANY point in the future! Christ." Accept that you're going to fuck up. Listen to the wisdom of those who've …
/r/MGTOW25/05/20 10:33 AM
28

That's right. Because being 'alpha' means you can't stop winning. No, dude. I went MGTOW monk because when you're playing for Monopoly funny-money, winning is a complete waste of time.
/r/MGTOW25/05/20 10:23 AM
19

Honestly, the attitude some people have to "I must be FIRST or everything is pointless!" is something I can't wrap my head around. I'm not a super competitive guy. If I was overweight or something, and I pushed myself to train for it, I'd be fucking ecstatic coming 100th place in a marathon. After all, most of us aren't professional athletes, and 100th place can be a real personal milestone. And for most blue-pilled men... the idea of being 100th place is better than failing to finish at all.
/r/MGTOW25/05/20 10:19 AM
26

Woman presents herself behind a mask. Man doesn't trust woman, because woman is hiding herself a mask. Woman says man is a dumbass for believing the mask is real. Woman is in fact the dumbass, for not fucking listening to what he fucking said. Which is a real problem with women in general.
/r/MGTOW25/05/20 10:15 AM
4

Good God, the amount of women in the comments who seem to think that "Toxic masculinity" is a concept that's been popularised to help men is mind-boggling. I've only ever heard the term in the real world be used as a club by women to attack men, and to emasculate our poor brothers who still think they need the approval of women. I'm curious, does anyone here in the MGTOW world believe in "toxic masculinity"? If so, please do let me know!
/r/MGTOW25/05/20 10:09 AM
3

One rule I lived by in my pre-monk days... was stay the fuck away from women who thrive on BDSM. It is not worth the risk. If a girl asks to be choked, it's time to bail.
/r/MGTOW25/05/20 10:01 AM
5

This whole fixation women have with "boyfriends" seems counter productive. What is the point of a boyfriend, if not a trial for a potential husband? Serious question. Long-term boyfriends to me are an indication of failure at relationships.
/r/MGTOW25/05/20 09:57 AM
12

As others have said, saying anything about MGTOW in a public space is dangerous for everyone involved. It's an easy way to get people biased against us. Realistically, without telling them that they're depressed over an illusion, what can we say to them that others can't? Also, what help with depression does anyone actually find online? This is a genuine question. Perhaps it's a generational thing, but everyone I've known who's gone through serious depression and actually got out of it, got out …
/r/MGTOW25/05/20 09:44 AM
3

I agree with hkijkjbvvvvvv, it depends on the game. I had a great time playing Mechwarrior Online back in the day, and by far the best matches were with people participating in voice chat, so you can get legit tactics going. Rarely did I feel the desire to block anyone. But that's also because Mechwarrior is nerdy enough that most douchey people wouldn't go near it. :)
/r/MGTOW25/05/20 04:54 AM
4

Any time dude. I do want to elaborate on one point: no matter what you've been fucked over in some way shape or form, or had a bad hand dealt to you I once developed a friendship with a man in his mid 20's who was tall, athletic, and obnoxiously good looking. I remember him turning to me one morning while having breakfast, and he said, "I'm jealous of you. Women always always flocked to me... I have no idea what I'd do if I actually had to chase them. I'm pretty sure that I'd be too afraid. And …
/r/MGTOW25/05/20 04:40 AM
7

I'm 5'5 my man, and struggled for many years feeling... like I'd never measure up. (Puns!) I have come to believe that significant part of maturity is realizing that no matter what you've been fucked over in some way shape or form, or had a bad hand dealt to you... and you have to accept that as your origin point, and it's up to YOU to make your life story from it. It went from feeling like I was hard done by... to being happy that I had some gripes about my height, about my family being poor, a…
/r/MGTOW25/05/20 03:29 AM
8

Agreed completely... once you figure out how to translate that mindset into action, it all becomes a lot easier. When I was determined to learn women, I took a lot of cues from Alan Roger Currie, and started pushing with no expectations, as early on as possible. As soon as I'd meet them I'd make a suggestive comment about her to gauge her immediate reaction - if she shuts it down instantly, I won't push it. Almost always they were receptive though... and then I just keep things vaguely (if not e…
/r/MGTOW25/05/20 03:25 AM
3

From what I recall reading (I splurged some time in the past year and spent a day reading as much as I could find on the matter - having said that I could still be wrong), with lithium ion they generally recommend you keep between 20%-90% charge. However, with many modern devices like phones this may have already been taken into account with the design of the device, so when it shows 0% it may actually still have 10-15% left. Juggling devices to stay between 20%-90% is a pain in the ass though. …
/r/MGTOW25/05/20 03:09 AM
1

And whatever you do, don't mix up the two and nut in your gun, or put a bullet in your hooker. Both make quite a mess.
/r/MGTOW24/05/20 11:29 AM
3

I have no interest in being a sugar daddy, but reading your write-up has been fascinating. Cheers for it.
/r/MGTOW24/05/20 11:26 AM
2

Amen brother. At some point we have to draw the line and say they have to be responsible for their own actions.
/r/MGTOW24/05/20 11:13 AM
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Thanks for sharing your story. :) Man, the whole blue-pill world is... weird. I look back on it and wonder how I could have managed to not see the truth for so long. Still, you broke out of it. Kudos. A lot of people never will... and telling your story here is surely going to help a few other young men... see things differently.
/r/MGTOW24/05/20 11:10 AM
3

Someone has to be blamed. Women can't be blamed. Ergo men get the blame. And that man's already suffering, so why make trouble for someone else. It's easier if we just blame him for his problem, then kind of push him into a dark corner and forget about him while we do other things.
/r/MGTOW24/05/20 10:57 AM
2

I don't know how marriage can be saved in the West, since the problems aren't inherent to marriage - it's a lack of honesty, honour, and respect in greater society.
/r/MGTOW24/05/20 10:53 AM
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What is it with people who seem compelled to speak for entire groups? Leave me the fuck alone.
/r/MGTOW24/05/20 10:41 AM
10

If you're going to be discussing an article, it helps to provide a link to it. Here's an archived one to prevent ad revenue: https://web.archive.org/web/20200524052014/https://www.thelily.com/i-had-to-choose-being-a-mother-with-no-child-care-or-summer-camps-women-are-being-edged-out-of-the-workforce/ I couldn't read it. Why the hell do articles written by women waffle on and on aimlessly?
/r/MGTOW24/05/20 08:42 AM
6

Why does it have to be a social experiment? Occam's razor would suggest that that we've simply reached the dying phase of our Western culture. I can appreciate the Feminist movement was genuine. It was just allowed to go too far... a runaway train that's jumping the tracks.
/r/MGTOW24/05/20 08:34 AM
1

Only we need be very selective. How? When women up and change their mind, get corrupted by their friends, brainwashed by TV, wanting to compete with women on social media... when they can wake up one day and say, "I'm no longer happy. You know what, I'll just get a divorce, keep most of the stuff, maybe even get paid alimony for doing nothing. Yay me!" -- you can be as selective as you like, but you're gambling years of your life. How much are you willing to risk? How big a risk are you willing …
/r/MGTOW24/05/20 02:39 AM
5

OP, what's the spice rub you used?
/r/MGTOW22/05/20 09:38 PM
5

I really don't understand how women think they can have a happy, healthy relationship when hiding MASSIVELY important aspects of her past - of WHO SHE WAS, and likely still is. Surely someone you expect to commit the rest of their lives to you has a right to know who they're getting into bed with, so to speak?
/r/MGTOW22/05/20 09:36 PM
2

I agree with the others - if you stand up for yourself, some people will think you're a dick. So be it. Most people may challenge you by calling you a dick or something, but if they see you are 100% unfazed by what their push-back, they'll generally just go along with it. Even if they don't, what's the worst that can happen, they tell you that you're wrong? It's your life, you're allowed to set boundaries, even if they're ridiculous. It's no worse than the bullshit that women expect from men, ri…
/r/MGTOW22/05/20 10:30 AM
3

You can see at the bottom that it's a google/bing/whatever translation.
/r/MGTOW22/05/20 08:07 AM
4

Do note that it's an automatic translation. :)
/r/MGTOW22/05/20 08:06 AM
7

I am sick of our local news going on and on about women's sports too. They seem to have implemented a policy so that women's sports gets just as much airtime as men's. It's enough to make me turn off the news and go do something productive.
/r/MGTOW22/05/20 07:42 AM
21

Shitballs, the idea of a woman having so many sexual partners that she could lose count by age 18 is terrifying. And the way she explained this, made it sound like she's obviously in the right. Scary.
/r/MGTOW22/05/20 01:26 AM
1

You're right, it's an exaggerated example to illustrate the point. You're also right, she did not commit the crime. However I stand by the point that we all must look after our own best interests if we want to avoid unnecessary problems... and this does not get stated often enough. Simply blaming the person who committed the crime is equally stupid, since many crimes are crimes of opportunity and would not happen if people took basic precautions. There will always be crime. There will always be …
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 11:58 PM
5

I again do appreciate your thoughtful response. My reason for bringing up virgins is because I find it sad that the few women who truly choose to not engage in the hookup and feminism culture (i guess you could call them the “unicorns” that you mentioned, even though I don’t like that term) that we live in seem to have been dragged as collateral damage in this movement of men who have woken up to the reality that most women are not worth it. I agree, it's a shame that the few good women out ther…
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 11:07 PM
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I'm going to take the time to answer as well as I can, since you seem to genuinely want to understand. I'm not saying there are no virgins... I'm saying that we as men can't trust women anymore. You'll note in this community there is talk about unicorns. Unicorns are our ideal/perfect woman... and we use that term because it's becoming increasingly harder to find a woman who is worthy of trust. And you may be 10 years into a relationship, marriage, kids, house, the whole shebang, before she deci…
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 09:57 PM
1

She didn't deserve what she got, but it is ultimately her responsibility to protect herself. She did not take basic steps to protect herself. If she did, she would not have gotten into the situation in the first place. If I find go into a gang area and start telling gang members how stupid they look... it is my fault when I get assaulted. I should have taken basic steps to protect myself by not being a raging idiot.
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 09:38 PM
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Sure... because a woman would never lie about her sex life, right? In this case you might be right... for now. But maybe not. And that's the reason why a lot of men have gone MGTOW, because as deceit and betrayal become increasingly normalized, as laws are increasingly stacked against us, there's no goddamn point getting married anymore.
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 09:27 PM
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Satisfying their curiosity is a problem -- at least in the context of a relationship. As a rule, they love mystery and drama... you take away that, they get bored, they look elsewhere for their emotional stimulation.
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 09:07 PM
11

What I never understood, is with all the diversity they claim they want, why aren't you allowed to have diverse opinions?
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 11:19 AM
12

Good story! :)
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 11:15 AM
2

I've spent years travelling through many countries... the ones I felt I could potentially settle down in the most, language aside, was Poland and Hungary. The problem is though, that they may be good now, but it may not last. It's just another gamble.
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 07:56 AM
1

Old memoirs from men in ages past. Two particular ones I'd recommend are Benvenuto Cellini's (you can find a good translation free online), and Casanova's (he's not as he's portrayed to be in pop culture - you may have to pay to get a modern, readable translation).
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 07:53 AM
21

Christ, simply looking at this gives me a small panic attack. How do they live like this?
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 07:51 AM
4

Is it just me, or is that a heraldric lion in the background being forced to perform fellatio on a stickman?
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 07:48 AM
5

First, I'll point out that you're this on /r/MGTOW - you're going to get a very biased answer here. :) You're overthinking this. No woman is ever likely to give you an honest answer about whether she's leading a guy on. Half the time I'm sure they don't even realize they're being manipulative. She's not a long-term friend, feel free to drop her. You won't break her heart, and you're not doing anything wrong. Any time you meet a woman, it pays to have a clear idea of what you want from the encoun…
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 07:47 AM
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Jesus, I'm glad I'm no longer like this. The girl's four years older, he set down clear boundaries, she crossed them, and now INSTEAD of dropping her sorry ass, he's accepting harassment from her.
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 07:41 AM
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I kindly point out that you might want to clarify "the education system in the USA" -- there are a lot of folk from all around the world here. :) Having said that, I agree it's true for most (if not all) of the West. One of the important things I learned when going through school & university, is to view what they teach is a bare-bones curriculum only, and that I need to flesh it out with my own reading and learning and real-world practice. Learning to learn for yourself is a good habit that wil…
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 07:34 AM
8

Women are delusional. They may be hurt for a moment, but soon will spin a narrative that makes her the victim, and soon after that will believe in it completely.
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 02:15 AM
1

I'm sorry the below post turned into a wall of of text, and I certainly don't have all the answers. I struggle with my own shit daily, but I'm happy that the shit I struggle with is what I've chosen to be my current burdens. :) Honestly, my height is the least of the problems and I rarely ever think about it. It's good that you fight for what's right, but don't you feel that the pros far outweigh the cons of being short? (mistreatment by society, leadership bias, earning less salary, perceived l…
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 01:53 AM
2

Congratulations on the potential step to pro boxing, dude! Honestly, I don't trust that any of us 'heal well'. When the body heals, scars remain. It's just how life is. It really sounds like you need a perspective shift. One I found useful was that the only way to learn, is by fucking up. The mistakes aren't something to regret... they're something to be thankful for. I sometimes catch myself wishing I could've fucked over one or two of them... and then remember someone has to stop the cycle of …
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 01:29 AM
1

I don't know how old you are or your life experience, so do forgive me if this sounds slightly condescending... I don't mean it to be, but right now you have a perspective that clearly isn't working for you. Sadly, it's going to take you a hell of a lot longer than a year to change your life around. Legitimate questions: what is important to you in life - what would you like, or like more of? Are you content with the man you are? What are your shortcomings? What have you promised yourself you'll…
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 01:20 AM
6

I'm curious, what does "RN" stand for in this context?
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 01:04 AM
1

Marriage clearly only works in the context of a culture that enforces strict moral rules on women. The issue isn't that marriage is broken. Our Western (& Asian) cultures are. There are a few that are still pretty good - I almost settled in Poland after living there for a year - however it's potentially just a matter of time before they go too, and I am not about to gamble the rest of my life on it.
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 12:54 AM
2

Anger isn't inherently bad... I believe that emotions are messages from your subconscious. There's something you should be paying attention to and dealing with. It may be simply that you need time to build a new value system or moral framework that fits your new outlook on life... however this takes time, and feeling like you've wasted so much already can be... angering. Unchanneled anger can be a bad thing, however, so finding an outlet for it may help. I personally would recommend getting in s…
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 12:52 AM
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For me, it was realizing that the 'mysterious and whimsical' behaviour of women was really just... childish. I have a very strong value system... and I cannot bear the thought of sharing my life with someone who is incapable of living a virtuous life. It was so much easier to consolidate relationships and my philosophy when I believed women worked on a different set of values... rather than complete solipsism. MGTOW came naturally after that... though it still helps to come here and hear inspiri…
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 12:46 AM
3

I personally would generalize that and say "hypocrisy is toxic". Unfortunately, good fucking luck trying to find a woman who isn't a raging hypocrite. It's hard enough to find men who aren't!
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 12:42 AM
1

Fuck society. It'll not capitulate to me, so why should I capitulate to it? I respect your decision, too. I personally don't care to conform anymore, and the idea of mutilating my body to get better responses from others... it doesn't sit well with me at all. Each to our own. :) EDIT: The only time I get legitimately frustrated with being short, is shopping for motorcycles and quality motorcycle protective clothing. In all other ways, I'll happily fight against society.
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 12:32 AM
2

Garlic being browned in a frypan. Unlit cigars, and pipe tobacco. The natural scent of a woman you are seemingly wired to be attracted to. I remember as a teenager, the first girl I ever 'fell in love' with... she lived on a farm, rode horses... her natural scent made me light-headed and woozy. I consider it a dangerous smell these days, and one I'm best off avoiding. Like gasoline. :D Freshly laundered clothing. I really miss the scents of my pets who've passed away. Hard to say it's a favourit…
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 12:15 AM
6

I've always wondered about the reason why most men seem to enjoy the smell of gasoline. I love it... and it seems like a really bizarre thing to enjoy.
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 12:03 AM
3

There's numerous psychology literature that discuss the number of 'intimate' relationships we can manage at once. It's always a surprisingly low number... from memory, between 5-10, and this includes family and friends and partners. This is because it takes a large investment of time and emotion to develop relationships. As men, particularly men who have a solid understanding of their values, who have achieved goals and developed their skills, we have higher expectations out of our intimate rela…
/r/MGTOW20/05/20 11:40 PM
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Agreed. I empathise with OP, but he actively pursued trouble and complains when he got trouble. The best way to defend yourself is to avoid situations where you need to defend yourself. Unfortunately, like all life lessons, you often need to fuck up a few times for it to stick. I hope this is one of these experiences for OP.
/r/MGTOW20/05/20 11:27 PM
1

I'm 5'5, and end up bumping people out of the way sometimes. It's not a crazy amount though, and like one of the other posters, I usually enjoy it. Posture + confidence, walk with a purpose, enjoy looking around your environment - not making eye contact. When you're about to collide with a couple or group, stop & look them with bewilderment, and just stand your ground expectantly. I made it a rule to not cede my ground... and don't. At worst, you stand there for a few seconds, eyebrows raised, w…
/r/MGTOW20/05/20 11:17 PM
2

Yeah, obviously 'owner' is not a drop-in replacement for landlord. Actually, I don't think I've ever heard of female landlords having a problem with the term. This intentional destruction of language because some words having bad connotations, scares the shit out of me. If you're offended by the use of a word, you've generally got a mental problem and should overcome that first. Already the IT world has been sanitised. Motherboard became mainboard, master/slave became... a mess of alternatives a…
/r/MGTOW20/05/20 10:42 AM
1

I hope the 'working on yourself' thing works for you. :D 15 years after I first realized that I really need to get my shit together... there's still no end in sight. There's always more fears to face, more skills I feel compelled to become familiar with, more self control to master. Years ago I reached the point where I felt I was the man I wanted to become, but... hmm. Is there any better journey than personal growth? Why stop when there's more left? I took things to some extremes, having 'tank…
/r/MGTOW20/05/20 10:30 AM
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OP, it's stories like yours which I need to hear to support me in my own decisions to stay the hell away from women. Thank you for sharing... I'm sorry as hell that you're going through it all though. Do please give the community an update if you manage to get a paternity test!
/r/MGTOW20/05/20 10:15 AM
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I'm sorry to hear it man. It's mindboggling to me that such deceit and betrayal has become normalized.
/r/MGTOW17/05/20 11:53 AM
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It's a good question, OP, and I'm going to be interested to continue reading people's answers. For me, there was no single event. I struggled for a good 6 years to figure out women. Starting off as a socially awkward programmer didn't help. :) Eventually I got the success I had craved... however every time I spent more than a few weeks around a chick I thought was great, I invariably felt boxed in. Women have a way of making you do shit you don't want to do: all those silly social events, shoppi…
/r/MGTOW17/05/20 11:48 AM
5

It frustrates me man... why is it so goddamn hard for any woman to simply be honest, instead of doing this big manipulative act to 'catch' a man that she realistically has no intention of holding on to long-term? It's dooming themselves to failure and misery, too! I'd buy you a beer, my man. This shit ain't right.
/r/MGTOW17/05/20 11:34 AM
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Ah, the magical "butterflies" that she needs for her relationships. The confusion between love and limerence... which always comes with an expiry date. And she's willing to tank her marriage and damage the lives of her children in her pursuit of more tingles. Sigh. And to think I sometimes stop and wonder if I should take the risk and have some kids of my own. Then I come here and remember why I choose not to.
/r/MGTOW17/05/20 11:28 AM
1

I agree there are people on both sides that are bad. ... is antithetical to MGTOW. Tradcon relationships, ... One further point I'd make is that a lot of men have gone MGTOW because traditional relationships are no longer a viable risk. MGTOW is their second choice... they'd still prefer a tradcon marriage.
/r/MGTOW16/05/20 04:38 AM
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I would say MGTOW men tend to swing right, mostly because of how both sides tend to see relationships -- which is landed us here in MGTOW-land. The right generally sees value in traditional relationships, and many in the left (though certainly not all, perhaps actually a minority) seem to value degeneracy. I've been left-leaning all my life... but this trend towards open relationships, cuckolding, shame-free cheating & betrayals, and shaming anyone with a contrary opinion (no dissenting opinions…
/r/MGTOW15/05/20 11:19 PM
1

I'm on the fence about it, mostly because of how easily it is open to interpretation. I am a bit of a traveller too, having spent over 5 years around 40 countries, living in a bunch of them... and here are my thoughts: In my view, the essence of "AWALT" is threefold: the belief that women are hypergamous, that they want a partner further up the social hierarchy. the belief that women are socially manipulative. the belief that women generally love conditionally, her love depends on what you can g…
/r/MGTOW215/05/20 10:53 PM
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After having been there myself, I would say that there are a lot of men who grew up and live in an environment that preaches that women are good, and no dissenting voices are allowed, so you rarely hear the truth -- only muttered under the breath of married men when they're miserable. If you're in this 'bubble' and you see bad behaviour in a woman, you assume she's having a bad day, or she has a reason that she's behaving like that, or must have been abused, or that she's simply an exception to …
/r/MGTOW15/05/20 10:41 AM
12

"Nymphomaniac" takes away her agency by making it sound like she can't help it. No, she chose this.
/r/MGTOW11/05/20 09:19 PM
15

Ah yes, I remember those days. When women seemed mysterious and wonderful. Jesus fuck I'd like to get all that wasted time back!
/r/MGTOW11/05/20 12:17 PM
2

If one of the upcoming destinations happens to be NZ, give me a buzz and I'll buy you a beer. :)
/r/MGTOW11/05/20 08:14 AM
4

Am I the only one who doesn't like listening to people talk sport? We all have different interests, with some overlap and some divergence... and we all don't have to agree with each other, or even like each other. And that's fine.
/r/MGTOW11/05/20 08:04 AM
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Everywhere else I've visited is devoid of any substance or meaning That may be the problem. I spent some 5-6 years in some 40 countries when I was younger... I used travel to learn about various topics: women, masculinity, history, courage, how to develop relationships from knowing no one, how to communicate without words, the difference between hospitality, generosity, and empathy... what family and friendship actually mean, and possibly the most important one for me, what is human nature? I co…
/r/MGTOW11/05/20 04:49 AM
3

You can have sex with a variety of people, without being polyamorous. Serial monogamy, or one night stands.
/r/MGTOW11/05/20 04:41 AM
1

There's no tricks or secrets, unfortunately, though it is much cheaper than most people would guess - at least before the corona. Once I got out of the Western world, my average budget somewhere between $1000-1500 USD/month. There are a few different ways people sustain it... most people work for a year or two, travel for 6-12 months, then choose a new country to work in, rinse and repeat. Some few have developed jobs that allow them to work while they travel... one man in particular I remember,…
/r/MGTOW11/05/20 03:30 AM
3

I spent several years of my life living in hostels around the world... travellers are as a rule very good to talk with about any and all life problems. I stay in touch with many of them (the men, at least), and they are my outlet, sounding board, and a constant source of wisdom. Aside from the corona, you can still meet up with travellers via couchsurfing. I used to just meet people who're passing through the cities I was living in, showing them around a bit, and chatting over coffee. Easy frien…
/r/MGTOW11/05/20 12:59 AM
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You're right. The main reason I stopped travelling was because I learned everything I felt I needed to learn... and came to the realization that the most important thing in life is relationships. Which are understandably impossible to develop with any depth when moving from place to place, never knowing if you'll ever meet people again. You're also right about MGTOW 'philosophy'. It removes one very large and dangerous problem, and quietly replaces it with a more nebulous, 'safer' problem. No lo…
/r/MGTOW10/05/20 10:08 PM
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I always found eating a woman out a hell of a lot more enjoyable than actual sex. It's not the submissive position if it's what I enjoy, and I'm taking it and I have fine control over her pleasure: I can keep her on the brink of coming but not quite letting her get there. Make her beg. Anyway, those days are behind me. No more worries about disease for me... monk mode 5 years now! Who's going to bake me an anniversary cake? :)
/r/MGTOW10/05/20 11:04 AM
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I've visited low-end escorts in a bunch of Western countries... the rates I paid were generally about $150-250 USD/hour. And you're right -- once I got over my fascination with women, my hand suits me just fine. Every time I get a message from an old flame or something and think, "what if?" I rub one out, and nope my way over to the block button. Life is so much fucking easier in monk mode. Saving cash from dates or escorts, and saving time from dealing with women period. I do miss the feeling o…
/r/MGTOW09/05/20 01:49 PM
1

Society has truly, absolutely got fucked up. Look at the fertility rates... this is a grand experiment that's gone off the rails in a truly awful way. It's a multi-generation slow-motion train wreck. Men have been force-fed a message, that women are sexually liberated. There is no other choice. Any voices objecting to it are goddamn silenced... publicly, with no debate allowed. You know this. We all see this... and yet it never gets talked about. To the point most men have a kind of Stockholm sy…
/r/MGTOW09/05/20 01:03 PM
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/r/AskMGTOW would be better!
/r/MGTOW05/05/20 09:34 PM
1

Could you please elaborate on what incentives men have to marry? I can see incentives if you want to have children... but I know many men who don't.
/r/MGTOW04/05/20 10:43 AM
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From a USA-centric perspective, perhaps, but not from an international perspective. FGM is still very prevalent in Africa, some parts of the Middle East, and Asia. Both FGM & circumcision, according to the studies I've seen, reduce sexual sensation - though of the men who have had circumcisions later in life and have discussed it online, I've read mixed accounts so you may want to do your own research. The point of the entry in the infographic, in my eyes, is that if you discuss FGM with any Wes…
/r/MGTOW01/05/20 04:18 PM
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For all your slang needs, look it up on urbandictionary.com. It almost never fails to explain all popular meanings of words and phrases.
/r/MGTOW25/04/20 01:54 PM
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I'm not the poster above, but here are a few tidbits from myself: Life is an adventure. Treat it as such. There's no destination, there's no score to keep. Forget about how long the journey takes. One day you'll simply realize that you love who you are. And that's only one phase in journey that goes on into the great unknown. Each phase leads me somewhere I did not expect. When you imagine the ideal man, what kind of person is it? What areas of your life do you feel inadequate in, and what possi…
/r/MGTOW01/04/20 10:19 AM
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Ah yes, another shocking and highly offensive life story. Pity Reddit got the direction of the shock and offense backwards...
/r/MGTOW10/02/20 11:41 PM
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I'm very sorry to hear it man, and unfortunately there's no easy answer. What I would recommend is watching Turd Flinging Monkey's Red Pill Grief Cycle series on YouTube. The reality is that re-orienting your life so women are no longer a priority is a multi-year journey for many of us. If you happen to be in Auckland, NZ, hit me up and I'll buy you a beer.
/r/MGTOW14/06/19 01:40 PM
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Like you, I was quite worried about myself and my "loner" tendencies when I was younger. It's a point of amusement to me that life really ought to come with some kind of instruction manual, because hot damn we often need a lot of help finding direction. Short answer: no, if you genuinely have no desire to be around people, being closed off won't ruin you. There are plenty of people throughout history who've lived isolated lives. Reclusiveness often helps writers and other artists to focus on wha…
/r/MGTOW13/06/19 11:48 AM
3

Don’t hit her. <snip> Kick her Agreed!
/r/MGTOW10/06/19 09:53 PM
3

FYI: the word is "cite", not "site". From the word "citation"
/r/MGTOW06/02/19 10:18 PM
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I am so seriously glad to be a man: Women live a great life between 18 and 30 -- that's 12 years, without having had any experience of hard times to allow them to appreciate what they have. Then they hit the wall, their fertility shits the bed, and they are alone, depressed, and angry. For the rest of their years (on average another 48 -- that means that 4/5 of their adult lives are shit). As a man... we start off with nothing, but earn everything we have. Life gets easier, and we appreciate and…
/r/MGTOW06/02/19 08:09 PM
1

There will always be problems in life. Focus instead on the positives -- it's a skill that can and must be learned. I am not much of a drinker either. I can't stand bars. I went from living in hostels for years surrounded by people, to living like a hermit for years and only going out to enjoy nature and do grocery shopping. No matter what your circumstance, there is endless opportunity to grow and become a better man. And every step leads to the next. Looking ahead in life and seeing the massiv…
/r/MGTOW06/02/19 08:05 PM
1

Quick preamble: I got red pilled through my own experiences, before even knowing MGTOW was a thing. The 'bad' news is that it will take time. Years, likely, to get through these feelings. Learning look inward for validation & love rather than outward, learning to accept that your "needs" as you know them will never be met, and learning that there are indeed plenty of joys in life aside from women. It's not a straight road, and you'll have to be patient with yourself. At least here, you have a li…
/r/MGTOW06/02/19 07:29 AM
1

Just like there is no "T" in Arnold Schwarzenegger On the off-chance you're not being sarcastic: the consonant 'z' in German is typically pronounced as a 'ts'. http://joycep.myweb.port.ac.uk/pronounce/consonz.html
/r/MGTOW01/02/19 09:19 PM
5

Is it sad that, after all she did, I was impressed with her *simply* because she had actually spelled "you're" correctly in that baby-abadonment note?
/r/MGTOW01/02/19 08:19 PM
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Don't feel bad or embarrassed. It's a skill that can be learned, as have many shy men throughout history. The question is, is it worth it? I went through a lot of very awkward experiences in an effort to learn... and now that I have, I avoid women because I want nothing more to do with them. I'm happier when I'm alone. I suppose, at least, I know now that I've *chosen* this lifestyle, rather than I've been forced into it. It is a blessing that I learned the skills while I was travelling through …
/r/MGTOW29/01/19 08:11 PM
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my google-fu indicates here: https://foursquare.com/v/monumento-albert-einstein/59a4ab08fd16bb3d60a8adb1
/r/MGTOW28/01/19 02:35 AM
3

Yeah. No. Do you not remember the recent news about the "dine and dash dater" who was charged with 10 felonies for running out on dinner dates and leaving the women with the bill? The felonies didn't stick, but he will still be crucified. We're here because the only legitimate answer to women is to GYOW. https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Felony-Charges-Dismissed-Against-Alleged-Dine-and-Dash-Dater-493828151.html
/r/MGTOW07/01/19 09:57 PM
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That was a fascinating read - thanks for sharing it. Having some idea of what the reality of prison is like, and how we are each only one vindictive woman away from going there, is enough to keep me monk mode for a good long time. Having said that, it's beyond shit you're in this situation. After reading your subsequent comments, I can only hope you keep your freedom, and that the mental and emotional strength this instills in you is a benefit for the rest of your life.
/r/MGTOW01/12/18 11:43 AM
2

I'd like to point out that "AWALT" doesn't mean every woman is a whore and a liar - it means every woman has the potential for it. The problem is, you don't know if, or when, they'll change. You don't know if they're putting on a facade. You don't know when they'll get a new friend who'll twist their world-view. You don't know when they'll get bored and do something incredibly damaging to the relationship out of a desire for excitement. How much are you willing to gamble? The risk is high, the s…
/r/MGTOW28/11/18 10:35 PM
2

I personally read Al-Jazeera for international news - being a Qatar-based state-funded broadcaster, they have a lot less vested interest in most news than most other news broadcasters. Plus, the quality of their journalism is pretty great and they keep the facts : opinions ratio pretty high. https://aljazeera.com
/r/MGTOW15/11/18 07:09 PM
1

Have you considered the way women generally treat other women? They're just as cruel and heartless... especially when they're competing with each other. Their consideration of men as subhuman appears to be merely a symptom of greater issues, not the root problem.
/r/MGTOW13/11/18 09:30 PM
1

You can do something about biology: set up a society that restricts/punishes aspects of human nature that are counterproductive - e.g. female hypergamy, unchecked aggression leading to assault, etc. Which is what we had until recently. It wasn't perfect, but it worked well enough.
/r/MGTOW12/11/18 07:40 PM
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From what I understand, Islam is the same - Muslim men are allowed to marry women of other religions, whereas Muslim women are only allowed to marry Muslim men. My understanding is it's about control of culture... men are the head of the family, therefore if the father is Muslim, the family be Muslim and thus spread the religion.
/r/MGTOW04/11/18 09:02 PM
1

That's an emotional response without any counter-points. I tend to agree with OP, but would love to be swayed back to potential fatherhood. Seriously, why is it dumb? Why is it good idea to bring a child into this world that feels on the verge of falling apart? As much as I love life, it took a lot of time, effort, and self-reflection to reach this point. I've had a couple friends who've committed suicide. My brother is a father to two beautiful girls, and as much as he loves them... several tim…
/r/MGTOW17/10/18 04:42 AM
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True, however from what I've seen of people who have drinking problems... the only practical solution is to give it up entirely. Many people can't do some things by half-measure. Perhaps it's the same for smoking weed.
/r/MGTOW17/10/18 12:25 AM
1

Which will exacerbate the ever-growing and very dangerous problem of plummeting fertility rates in the western world. I don't like the idea of taking away women's voting rights. However we're facing several issues here without any good answer. And calling people idiots is not conducive to discussion, so I'm out. Peace
/r/MGTOW17/10/18 12:17 AM
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Yes, TFM discusses it a lot, and he has some valid points. Just change the parts of the system that give them unfair advantage over men. E.g. how is that supposed to be achieved when they are the majority of voters, and won't allow it?
/r/MGTOW16/10/18 08:55 PM
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How come? It's a serious question - I'd like to know what you got from it. :)
/r/MGTOW14/10/18 10:14 AM
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I fought through similar feelings for much of my 20's, and eventually got out of it. Anyway, I know this is all unsolicited, so please feel free to ignore this post. At a guess, I'd say your struggling may be due to: being a naturally-pessimistic person. Happiness, I've found, for those who naturally gravitate toward pessimism, requires a degree of self-delusion -- actively ignoring pessimistic tendencies and throwing yourself into new experiences without thinking too much about it. Use powers o…
/r/MGTOW14/10/18 03:47 AM
1

If ever in doubt, urban dictionary: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Hot%20dog%20down%20a%20hallway
/r/MGTOW13/10/18 12:12 AM
1

A simple, quick google search of the phrase finds you the result: https://www.amazon.com/Schopenhauer-Biography-David-Cartwright/dp/1107626951
/r/MGTOW12/10/18 11:43 PM
1

We get to make our own stories. The most important thing I did when I was feeling lost, was read old memoirs from fascinating men throughout history. For 2 years, memoirs (and with some rare exceptions biographies) were the only books I read - the stories showed me different ways I can live my life, they opened my eyes to choices I never knew I had, and laid out blueprints of how to live an interesting, courageous life. Once I'd internalised it all, my life became a grand adventure. Life the gre…
/r/MGTOW17/09/18 08:28 PM
1

That's not exactly the kind of treatment a son would want from his mother. ^^
/r/MGTOW17/09/18 01:58 AM
2

If you assist someone who's planning a bank robbery, are you not partaking in the crime?
/r/MGTOW16/09/18 02:48 AM
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The way I see it, I spent the first 27 years of my life believing this dream of romance, during my most formative years. I gave up on the dream and went my own way some 5 years ago. An important 5 years, but relatively short -- It's only normal for the remnants of the old beliefs to still be hanging around for a while.
/r/MGTOW05/09/18 09:36 AM
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All the time, mothers have their own agenda -- AWALT. You are MGTOW anyway, so it shouldn't matter at all. Par for the course.
/r/MGTOW05/09/18 08:39 AM
3

Not sure how strictly you mean celibate. For me, it's been almost 3 years while I've been in hermit mode, working on my own project. Honestly I don't miss having to deal with women's incessant need to yap at all. Some day in the future when my project's finished, I may go out and get laid again... but I am surprised to find that it really isn't very appealing, knowing I'd have to deal with all the pointless drama. My list of things I'd rather do just gets bigger and bigger, no matter how many th…
/r/MGTOW05/09/18 08:33 AM
2

New Zealand It's no dream place to live in. Every country has its problems, and we certainly have our share.
/r/MGTOW04/09/18 10:49 PM
49

"My relationship was in trouble because I was too busy for him. I was SO BUSY that instead of giving my few spare moments to my boyfriend, I decided to cheat on him. This makes sense because I'm a woman, and apparently my conscious betrayal of my partner's trust is easily dismissed as 'imperfection' - but he better be careful if he ever cheats on me, because I'll never let him forget it!"
/r/MGTOW03/09/18 06:53 AM
2

I've had some positive results by having a quiet, private conversation with a good buddy and saying: "How much time do you spend with your girlfriend?" wait for response... "and how much time do you spend with your best friends?" wait for response... "I know your girlfriend is important to you, but are these other people in your life not equally as important, having been there for you through your hardest times?" wait for response... "Do they not deserve more than having to fight to get scraps o…
/r/MGTOW03/09/18 12:50 AM
1

What bullshit. You're not hiring someone, you're not selling a product to someone. You're trying to find a person for a private living arrangement. Would it also be "gender discrimination" if you were looking for a life partner, preferably female?
/r/MGTOW01/09/18 09:20 PM
1

If you have the resources, I would highly recommend spending a good half year or so traveling around the Middle East. It is eye-opening. I'll also point out that you clearly are interested in the religious aspect, but only academically. And for good reason, it both enlightened me and terrified me to see how prevalent and thorough Islam is. Where Christianity is typically limited to the religious side of a believer's life (though the principles can be applied to personal relationships), Islam pro…
/r/MGTOW01/09/18 08:15 PM
3

I'm 32 and have been living the MGTOW & monk lifestyles for my own reasons for years before even being aware of this community. I go through similar phases... and most self-aware people seem to, to varying degrees. Some days I'm on top of the world, other days I really struggle to maintain perspective -- particularly in recent years with added stress of entrepreneurial work I've undertaken. In my experience, perspective is one of the hardest things in the world to hold on to and it's one of the …
/r/MGTOW01/09/18 04:38 AM
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