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| 1 | Feminism can only exist in peaceful rich countriesEssentially you are putting a single reason forward (gay marriage) and then correlating a massively complex outcome to that sole reason. No, I was implying that societies which are the hardest on gay marriage are statistically worse than those that allow it, not because manning gay marriage has a very massive impact on society but because the attitudes and priorities that lead one to be against gay marriage are closely linked with fascism. Sorry if I was being unclear with that. Societies that s… | /r/MensRights | 26/03/22 11:13 PM |
| 1 | Feminism can only exist in peaceful rich countriesOkay, Here’s some data. And here’s a source for that data. The whole “the man should always pay” thing is a concept agreed to be more men than women, and the majority position help by all genders (especially women) is that the bill should be split. I haven’t found any data on this yet, but I’d bet my left nut that feminist women specifically take a more egalitarian position on this than conservative women. If you can find data saying otherwise I’ll personally PayPal you $100. I used an anecdote … | /r/MensRights | 26/03/22 11:03 PM |
| 1 | Feminism can only exist in peaceful rich countriesWhat are you even talking about right now? | /r/MensRights | 24/03/22 07:38 AM |
| 1 | Let me get this straightYes, you're fucking wrong. Could you maybe pull up some statistics on how many people give a fuck about circumcision to prove me wrong? It's incredibly damn sexist to needle at someone when you've already gotten a reaction out of them, by telling them that their feelings are rooted in a core component of their psyche being fragile. Why? I've done that to women with shit takes too including some within progressive spaces, I fear no gods. I'm an equal opportunity needler. The more you try to justi… | /r/MensRights | 24/03/22 07:21 AM |
| 1 | Let me get this straightIt was super unprompted. I only mentioned MGM, and you injected your callous narcissistic opinion that because it's not a big deal to you, any who does say it's a big deal has some screws loose. Nobody asked. You mentioned it in the context of it being a banned topic in MensLib. I explained why I think they made that decision. How is that not a perfectly sane response to what you said? Stop. Lying. I never said that anyone claims male privilege causes domestic violence. To quote you: "you agreed… | /r/MensRights | 24/03/22 06:46 AM |
| 0 | Let me get this straightRight, women's groups across multiple nations going out of their way to prevent male rape victims from being recognized under law (and therefore, in the literature and discourse) as a shit example. I had a whole response typed out for that, which Reddit refused to let me post for reasons that it did not explain. "Something went wrong", thanks Reddit, very informative. If you are talking about the Israel thing, the reason that was opposed by feminists was because for a series of highly technical … | /r/MensRights | 24/03/22 06:31 AM |
| 0 | Feminism can only exist in peaceful rich countriesThat's some pretty flawed logic in your first paragraph. I believe the Latin term to be non sequitur. It’s not a non-sequester. You made the fairly direct claim that because men’s issues exist that men are second class citizens. I provided the rather hyperbolic counter-example that there are issues which mostly impact billionaires, with the implication that the existence of such things don’t make a group second-class. The sensible response would be to either explain precisely how my counter-exam… | /r/MensRights | 24/03/22 04:04 AM |
| 1 | Feminism can only exist in peaceful rich countriesSociety doesn’t treat men as second class citizens. There are issues that predominantly impact men, but there are also issues that predominantly impact billionaires. That’s not the same as being second-class citizens. The fascists I speak of won’t be pleased until we make women second class citizens, ban gay marriage, bring back racial segregation, reverse all progress that has been made on trans rights, and establish a theocratic dictatorship controlled by them. Ceding ground to them won’t make… | /r/MensRights | 24/03/22 03:42 AM |
| 1 | Feminism can only exist in peaceful rich countriesNo, I said that I hadn't come across feminism in Maslow's pyramid (last time I looked, maybe twenty years ago). But, I could now see that it made sense (from a woman's point of view) in terms of self-actualisation. I tried to joke that I'd seen the pyramid only from a man's aspect. Actually, I rather suspect that Maslow did, too. I haven’t seen any Maslow pyramids which specifically mention the game Minecraft either, but I’m pretty sure Maslow would agree that people will tend to care less about… | /r/MensRights | 24/03/22 02:55 AM |
| 0 | Let me get this straightYou know what? I know when to quit when I’m ahead. I’m glad we could sort of arguably agree on something, it was nice talking to you. | /r/MensRights | 24/03/22 02:05 AM |
| 0 | Let me get this straightGod, you are such a narcissist. "This thing doesn't matter, and if you say it does, it's a you problem." About genital mutilation no less. Am I wrong though? Right, so you don't use sexist language, but actually you do, because you're just here to needle at people. It’s not sexist to point out when someone’s masculinity is fragile. There exist butch lesbian women to whom the same argument applies. For someone who tries to be a "hEaLtHy eXpReSsIoN oF mAsCuLiNiTy" (your words), you sure seem to re… | /r/MensRights | 24/03/22 02:02 AM |
| 2 | Feminism can only exist in peaceful rich countriesWhen I came across Maslow's pyramid, some years ago now, I'd confess, I'm pretty sure that feminism wasn't on it. I was trying to make light of the fact that I looked at it through male eyes. I'm not a professional jester, and my attempts obviously fell flat. Anyway, I certainly agree that societies tend towards reductionism in their problems when they've become too comfortable, and all their basic needs have been met. Hence, the tendency towards feminism, and other forms of identity politics ov… | /r/MensRights | 24/03/22 01:59 AM |
| 0 | Let me get this straightNo, it's just that the cognitive dissonance of accepting that feminism has had a deliberately detrimental effect on men's rights is too much for you to process, so to avoid the discomfort of introspection, you rewrite reality so that no counter-examples are relevant. You say that, yet all your examples are shit. Also, the fire alarm thing was not an anti-feminist event. Do you know how many people it takes to pull a fire alarm? 1. Have I ever denied that there exists at least that many feminists… | /r/MensRights | 24/03/22 01:55 AM |
| 1 | Let me get this straightYou minimized MGM unprompted, It wasn’t unprompted. you agreed with the Duluth model that male privilege (and only male privilege, as if female abusers don't have a very unique set of their own privileges) is a core component of domestic violence. I never said that only male privilege can cause domestic violence, and neither did the model you’re citing. You want to judge feminism by a bumper sticker instead of its pattern of behavior, Yet you can’t come up with any examples of feminism being bad… | /r/MensRights | 24/03/22 01:54 AM |
| -1 | Let me get this straightClearly you don’t. You care tremendously that society sees you as a super-masculine manly man. | /r/MensRights | 24/03/22 01:49 AM |
| -1 | Let me get this straightFind out who you can't criticize , they are the one who are controlling you. That old proverb was coined by a neo-Nazi by the way. The point he was trying to make was that since people tend to be all uppity about antisemitism, that therefore Jews control everyone. So I would be careful taking him too seriously. People having no issues with #killallmen or #allmenarerapists etc and social media /govt not taking any actions against them while any criticism towards men in mainstream media will get y… | /r/MensRights | 24/03/22 12:29 AM |
| -1 | Let me get this straightI have looked into so many examples that people have given me of feminists being bad, and every single one of them falls into four categories. Feminists haven’t already solved all our problems for us! Feminists opposed something that was organized by an explicitly anti-feminist MRA group, why would they ever do that? Look at this incredibly marginal edge case that isn’t representative of broader feminism! Someone misread a headline and now the whole situation is being misrepresented. For some pr… | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 03:57 PM |
| -1 | Let me get this straightBeing a true man requires being masculine and fir that, a boy needs good masculine role models. Simply identifying as something us not relevant and the sooner Boys and men realize this, the sooner than can begin the true healing process. People like you are the reason why the suicide rate among men is so high. You encourage men against living as they want to live and push standards in them so lofty that most people come out feeling like failures and so destructive that it removes the ability to … | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 03:47 PM |
| 1 | Let me get this straightNo, but enough of it is whataboutism or at the very least a distraction from other things that I can definitely understand why discussion of it on r/MensLib is banned. It’s not the most productive use of every men’s advocacy forum ever made all the time non-stop, especially when things like promoting emotional vulnerability among men can actually prevent suicide. | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 03:33 PM |
| 2 | Feminism can only exist in peaceful rich countriesWhat kind of identity politics do you think I engage in? Jesus Christ, man. Is the idea that societies tend to focus on ever smaller problems when they aren’t being actively ripped apart by barbarians really that unthinkably insane? | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 03:28 PM |
| 0 | Let me get this straightNobody is teaching men that they are inherently toxic, that’s not what toxic masculinity means. How people keep misunderstanding this under posts where I explain it is beyond me… Not even masculinity itself is something that’s inherent to men or exclusive to men, a man can present feminine and a woman can present masculine. It’s been known to happen. Toxic masculinity refers specifically to the social ideal that we call masculinity and of some of the toxic behaviors that overly earnest adherence… | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 03:24 PM |
| 1 | Let me get this straightFirst off, not sexist or homophobic. Sorry to disappoint you. If you think that is a rebuttal to my argument, you have not understood my argument. At no point did I say or imply that you personally being sexist or homophobic is a thing on which my argument was contingent. I know you’re looking for a straw man to show off your Gender Studies degree. My degree is in information security, I just have a tendency to research the things I talk about which is clearly something unique to me in this conv… | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 02:59 PM |
| 1 | Let me get this straightWhat your saying sounds super based in both of your comments here, which is interesting considering the disagreements we are having elsewhere. | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 02:55 PM |
| 1 | Let me get this straightThe only requirement for being a true man is to identify as one. Whatever you do after that point is by definition the actions of a true man. If you think that being a true man requires things like homophobia, treating women like shit, being overly aggressive and domineering, and refusing to do housework than you are in fact part of the problem that the conceit of “toxic masculinity” exists to draw attention to. | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 02:54 PM |
| 0 | Let me get this straightYou understand that vaginas are the selectors of these traits, yeah? Not true. I have many female friends who I’ve talked to about these things. Straight women have wildly different preferences. Bisexual women especially often have a thing for gender non-conformity. Women who are into average looking guys outnumber women who are into super jacked guys. Some women like the ones on r/rolereversal are just openly into femboys. Hell, there are women who are outright into femdom and pegging dudes. Wo… | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 02:50 PM |
| 1 | Let me get this straightBut every feminist who uses the term “toxic masculinity” acknowledges that it can apply to some women and it does not apply to all men by a longshot. It describes a very specific and very real problem. “Poisonous men” is a very clearly gendered insult, because it very specifically singles out men. “Toxic masculinity” isn’t. Masculinity isn’t a gender, it’s a gender expression. Masculine women exist non-masculine men exist. There are not misnomers. The term clearly talks about gender expression a… | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 02:29 PM |
| 1 | Let me get this straightNo, that’s not what I said at all. What I said was that the cultural ideal of masculinity and a person’s unhealthy relationship with it can be one possible cause of things like homophobia and aggression. At no point did I say “it’s mens’ fault”, at no point did I say that toxic masculinity is the one and only possible cause of all the negative traits associated with it. Are you dense? No wonder you believe what you do if your reading comprehension is this bad. | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 02:20 PM |
| 0 | Let me get this straightWell you could have said that in your last comment. Why is a term which factually describes a type of unhealthy relationship a person can have with the cultural ideal of manhood a cancer which taints all who use it, even though you acknowledge that it’s not directed at all men or at only men? I’d love to hear this one. | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 02:16 PM |
| 1 | Let me get this straightHow is toxic masculinity an insult? Where the fuck did that come from? But yeah, feminists are advocates for women’s rights. I’m sorry they haven’t already taken the initiative to fix all of your problems for you as a side project while they were busy clawing their way up from women being arch d class citizens not very long ago, but they won’t stop you from doing that yourself as long as you don’t center your entire movement around talking shit about women and feminism. | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 02:13 PM |
| -2 | Let me get this straightWhich one of us is using accusations as a way of avoiding responding to points? | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 02:00 PM |
| 4 | Feminism can only exist in peaceful rich countriesYeah it does, feminism falls under the umbrella of esteem needs and a bit under self-actualization as well. | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 01:59 PM |
| 0 | Let me get this straightWhat do you suggest I reflect on? | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 01:57 PM |
| 0 | Let me get this straightSo you are actually claiming that men who are so obsessed with being masculine that they engage in toxic behaviors do not exist? | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 01:56 PM |
| 1 | Let me get this straightWhat you mean specifically? | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 01:56 PM |
| 0 | Let me get this straightYou're admitting you're an asshole Yes. Never denied it. You admit to hypocritical behavior and statements while saying you're not a hypocrite Do you know what hypocrisy means? Do you think that it’s hypocrisy when I as a person with an anxiety disorder say that anxiety disorders suck? Because it sounds like you do. I'm done with this. It's a waste of time talking to a feminist. Cause your logic isn't based in reason. It's based in hate and supremacy. Says the person who frequents a sub which d… | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 01:41 PM |
| -1 | Let me get this straightYou do know that there exist men who aren’t toxically masculine and women who are, right? Masculinity is a gender presentation and a cultural ideal, not a gender. This is why nobody takes you people seriously. | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 01:38 PM |
| 1 | Let me get this straightQuote me making any speculation at all about the dick size of you or anyone else. | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 01:37 PM |
| 1 | Let me get this straightI assure you, if the genders were swapped here my opinion about it not being a super big deal especially if it’s used as a whataboutism would stand. | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 01:37 PM |
| -1 | Let me get this straightRedditor learns that autocorrect and typos exist. | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 01:35 PM |
| 1 | Let me get this straightNever said this. True, but you implied it. Never said the majority of feminists are terms. Yeah, but you very heavily implied it. That’s why I asked. Never said anything about being bisexual or gay or anything. Never said you did. I brought it up to flex on you for being more willing g to be vulnerable than you are, a thing which I am absolutely certain you don’t have the stones to do in kind. I don't have to explain my issues with circumcisions to you or approach the issue in a way that you see… | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 01:35 PM |
| -1 | Let me get this straightWhat is masculine about homophobia, aggressiveness and sexist tropes? They are ideas that are often pushed onto people who are trying to be masculine by the way in which our culture views masculinity. A lot of men for instance view heterosexuality as a right of passage sort of thing that must be proven, and by proving that they are heterosexual while calling everyone and everything else gay they are able to compensate for their own insecurities. Sexist tropes play into that as well, and aggressi… | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 01:20 PM |
| 0 | Let me get this straightWhat double standard do you think I have? | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 01:12 PM |
| 1 | Let me get this straightHow the fuck does it help knowing what your sexuality is or if you paint your nails? No one said anything about anything like that, no one gives a fuck. Well I figured you would like to know, since these things tend to fuel insults from people like you. I'm just helping out. You're projecting, all of it is projection. Okay, prove it by telling me something about yourself that you are insecure about or that someone could use to insult you. If you actually do this it will at least partially prove … | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 01:12 PM |
| -2 | Let me get this straightWhen did I frame gender equality as a competition? Oh yeah, I didn't. Why do feminism's defenders always feel such compulsion to lie? "When did I do the thing?" does the thing You very clearly thing that feminism is at odds with men's rights. That's what competition means. Nah, plenty of good faith comments within the rules are silently removed. Menslib isn't about fostering discussion, it's about furthering a narrative. Could you give some specific examples? It's yes or no question, professor. … | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 12:49 PM |
| -4 | Let me get this straightBold of you to assume that a man's actual dick size has anything to do with their likelihood of using external things as a dick extension. The insecurity doesn't come from that, it comes from within a person. And that is something I can ascertain from across the internet. | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 11:24 AM |
| -5 | Let me get this straightAhh, yes. I am so bothered that I told you things that most people would be super insecure about and have you ammunition to insult my masculinity... Because I'm insecure about my masculinity. What? And how is it not "toxic masculinity" for a man to demean and insult other men for having insecurities? Perhaps there's an element of toxic masculinity to my behavior, that is entirely possible. Though I don't think I do what I do out of insecurity, I would say that it's just a guilty pleasure I engag… | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 11:21 AM |
| -3 | Let me get this straightHoly shit, how is it even possible to misinterpret my words this much? Imagine if I said "people who cheat on their partners are real assholes" and then someone responds with "Hey, I'm not an asshole!"... That would be pretty sus, no? And if someone who has never cheated on their partner got offended by that statement, that's their fault for taking something personally which was not directed at them. That's exactly analogous to what I pointed out. | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 10:57 AM |
| -1 | Let me get this straightIndicating that "no one cares" is the emptiest statement you could ever make. 1 in 5 men are unhappy about being genitally mutilated, that is a high amount of people, regardless of your sick views. Yeah, and I'm one of them. But that doesn't even make the lost of top 5,000 things I give a shit about. Yeah, you're right. I am forcing myself to be angry about MGM. That's why I went through EMDR for over a year due to the trauma that supposedly doesn't exist. Your indoctrination makes me sick. I'm … | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 10:48 AM |
| 0 | Let me get this straightPlease, read the Wikipedia article on toxic masculinity. It does exactly the same thing, blaming society's gender norms and going after specific elements of masculinity that case harm without saying that masculinity or men as a whole are bad. | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 10:46 AM |
| 0 | Let me get this straightToxic femininity is when someone (usually a woman) leans really hard into the stereotypes of femininity as a means of dealing with their own insecurity to the point where they adopt toxic traits that hurt not just themselves but the men and women around them. It can manifest as being super insistent on being with a hypermasculine man, insulting the appearance of other women to mask their own insecurities, going overboard on things like plastic surgery and breast augmentation, and it can cause ea… | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 10:25 AM |
| -4 | Let me get this straight"Circumcision is not a good thing, but anyone who says it's a huge deal is probably forcing themselves to be angry about it. Let's be real." Fuck you! Seriously. I've read through all the shite you have posted so far but it's this whole comment that stopped me. In that case: I'd absolutely love to hear about how circumcision has negatively affected your life in any way whatsoever. First off you can fuck off with your toxic masculinity bullshit. I reject the term and I'm not using it. If you had … | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 10:19 AM |
| 0 | Let me get this straightStrange that there's no wiki page for 'toxic feminity'. Yes there is. It's a section of a larger article on internalized sexism and not an article in its own right, but it is absolutely a thing that Wikipedia has stuff on. If you're wondering why toxic masculinity gets more attention, that's because it's a larger problem. Additionally, people right of center such as the fine folks of this sub have a tendency to highjack any real discussions on men's advocacy to be about shitting on feminism and … | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 09:31 AM |
| -3 | Let me get this straightWould it help if I just told you outright that I'm a bisexual guy who has dated men? That I paint my nails? That I have long curly hair done in a traditionally feminine style? I don't care what ammunition you have, I get my self-worth and validation internally where you can never touch it. I'm invincible to you, yet the things I say clearly have an emotional impact on you to the point where you respond with defensiveness at something that was not even directed towards you. Need I say more? | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 08:52 AM |
| -4 | Let me get this straightHAHAHAHAHA imagine mentioning MensLib as a “men’s right sub” when it censors most men’s issues to somehow make it about women. Imagine accusing MensLib as making everything about women when shitting on women and feminism is literally all that gets talked about here. Maybe try having an identity of your own. The sub needs to make liberal use of the banhammer because communities that don't do that have a tendency to attract everyone right of center who has an issue with all these rights that women… | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 08:36 AM |
| -6 | Let me get this straightIt legitimately baffles me what mental state a person would have to be in to not only come up with that but to think it's a good own. I read your comment about 10 times and I still have no idea what you're trying to say. | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 08:24 AM |
| -2 | Let me get this straightAs someone who talks to a good number of women, I assure you you're quite wrong. Straight women have a huge amount of variation in what they're into, they are not a monolith by any stretch of the imagination. I've talked to women who think that femboys are super hot, women who prefer to be the more masculine one in a relationship including a former girlfriend of mine (go to r/RoleReversal for about a thousand examples), a whole lot of women who think slender men are hotter than well built men, w… | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 08:20 AM |
| -1 | Let me get this straightToxic femininity is the word for that. Though that's assuming that by "strong masculine traits" you are including the negative traits associated with masculinity in with that. It's also possible for women to be into men with a more masculine gender presentation in an entirely healthy and acceptable way, which could include being super into well-built men for instance. Though straight women have a lot of variation there. What you're talking about definitely exists, though what is actually more co… | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 07:58 AM |
| -7 | Let me get this straightMenslib is a victim-blaming, Victim blaming is when you acknowledge that some of the people making your life worse aren't women, and when you don't frame fucking gender equality as a competition, apparently. censorious joke of a community Men's advocacy is a minefield, the reason it hasn't really taken off in a mainstream way is because of all the people who want to highjack it to own the feminists and who don't actually give a fuck about making things better for men. Most people see people like… | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 07:36 AM |
| -15 | Let me get this straightRight, but it was a term used to demonize behaviors women don't like. Those very same behaviors are things that hurt other men and even hurt the very men engaging in them too. That's a straw man of what it is to be male. It's not a strawman, it's an archetype. If it doesn't apply to you than you aren't the thing that is being described, and if you're taking offense to it that's on you. I'm curious, though. What is toxic masculinity from your point of view? There's a whole Wikipedia article on th… | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 06:40 AM |
| -16 | Let me get this straight"The concept of toxic masculinity is used in academic and media discussions of masculinity to refer to certain cultural norms that are associated with harm to society and men themselves. Traditional stereotypes of men as socially dominant, along with related traits such as misogyny and homophobia, can be considered "toxic" due in part to their promotion of violence, including sexual assault and domestic violence." -Wikipedia Are you seriously going to tell me that this attitude doesn't exist any… | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 06:03 AM |
| -6 | Let me get this straightThe broader term doesn't mean what most people here thinks it means though. | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 05:47 AM |
| -38 | Let me get this straightMen are called toxic You do know what toxic masculinity means, right? It's not "the very state of being a man is toxic", it describes a very specific thing that men can fall into or overcome. Just want to be clear about that. | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 05:05 AM |
| 4 | Feminism can only exist in peaceful rich countriesIt's like the old hierarchy of needs. Feminism exists pretty far up, but that doesn't make it frivolous or not worthwhile. | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 05:03 AM |
| -1 | Feminism can only exist in peaceful rich countriesIt's a complicated situation with some nuance. You're right to a degree, but we also disagree on a lot. If your goal is to run a well oiled and efficient war machine of a society, the way to do that is to have strict gender roles that send men off to die in battle and resign women to popping out and raising as many babies as possible. This is how most societies for most of history ran. But as society improved, their goals shifted from stone cold efficient survival to improving human wellbeing. I… | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 05:01 AM |
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