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Haha I only mean that I’ve dated women in the past that were mad that I was maybe too aloof? Didn’t show enough passion? Etc. which is frustrating because I liked them, I would have loved to feel the freedom to boldly show them that but I was trying to be a gentleman and not be pushy. Like growing up I heard women don’t want you to be overconfident or overly sexual. Then I have a girlfriend who is all pissed that I was too self deprecating and underly sexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 09:26 PM
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Yeah I think we need to decouple poonhoundary from masculinity. The issue is people fawn over guys who can pull it off. There’s almost no downside and tons of upside in terms of social status. Only one person is gonna be bummed out about your cheating, pretty much everyone else thinks it’s rad.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 08:36 PM
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I agree there’s nothing wrong with flirting with anyone and everyone as long as you’re a good person.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 08:24 PM
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Getting rejected is easy once you realize you’re not a bad person for approaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 07:41 PM
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Yeah and nobody ever wants to consider that some women might actually want to be sexualized sometimes. Furthermore they will sometimes get really upset if you don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 07:16 PM
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Schrödinger’s masculinity. Depends if it’s being observed, by who, and all the context.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 06:58 PM
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Can speak from experience that even the women that choose you will be resentful that you didn’t chase them like a love struck cartoon dog.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 06:52 PM
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Yup I agree with you, I just find that often people will tell those who are struggling a lot of hard rules that don’t equate to “sometimes step back and sometimes ramp it up” Usually it’s more like “NEVER PUT YOUR ARM AROUND A GIRL FOR A PHOTO UNLESS YOU’RE MARRIED!!!!!”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 06:45 PM
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I know very interesting people who are not charismatic. I know absolute dial tones who are very charismatic. In terms of how to improve id recommend an improv class. It’s basically banter 101 with some storytelling added in.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 06:42 PM
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I’d say all of the above. My favorite thing is complementing a piece of clothing that is clearly doing a great job and complimenting the clothing and not saying “nice tits”. Holding eye contact really strongly and saying “I like your style. That dress really… suits you” It’s clear as day that you’re complimenting their body, but you did it in a way that you’re not on the hook for because ostensibly you’re only talking about the piece of clothing. Touching same thing. You want it to be unclear, d…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 06:31 PM
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I agree. All that’s missing is a little balance in these conversations. Rather than say “never make a dirty joke in front of lady” how about we counsel “sometimes double entendre involving adult scenarios or themes can be an effective way of flirting and evaluating if someone is comfortable engaging in that kind of banter” I feel like nuance these days is either too boring to catch momentum or people attack it equating it to the most extreme things with a slippery slope argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 06:11 PM
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I think he just means that many of us were taught a gentlemanly way to be that doesn’t seem to create that sexual or romantic spark. And at worst can lead to this type of dynamic where he feels like he can’t really be himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 06:02 PM
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I feel the same way. Like I felt I was so conditioned that if a lady wants you you gotta give her a good time. If not I’m somehow insulting her. Many times I thought I was having ED issues but now I realize I was just uncomfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 06:01 PM
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Yea I have said no to women. They were extremely bummed out to put it… gently. And I have also sucked it up and did the thing because I didn’t want a repeat of that. As for flirting and consent. I’ll say it’s extremely nerve wracking because I was raised with a lot of sexual shame and messaging about what it means to be a gentleman. To my surprise the things I always considered ungentlemanly really seem to be necessary to communicate your desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 04:52 PM
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Disagree that it’s a red pill problem. Both sides even agree on some things they just have different terms for it. A blue pill lady might be like, “my man is so great he makes sure not to put too much mental load on me” A red pill lady might say something like “my man is such a good leader” Yet they’ll argue all day long.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 03:15 PM
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It may take a little more effort but it’s not hard to drum up some interest and get your own little black book going. Inb4 only if you’re handsome: brothers I want to push hope that more of you are more attractive and have more potential than you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 03:06 PM
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I agree somewhat. I just think there needs to be more balance in these discussions. Even if you’re doing everything right and girls might be interested you are gonna have to signal at some point that you want romance. It can be awkward, and yes many men out there suck and can’t take a hint but I don’t want that to discourage the actual good dudes from trying. It seems like most advice is to be as passive as possible and as nonsexual as possible to make sure women are comfortable. It’s kinda coun…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 02:32 PM
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You mean this loser? Yeah… he’s weird right?! You should ostracize him and make me your boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 09:29 PM
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Puh-leeeeaaaaaaaaase. It’s not a cancerous mole.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 09:28 PM
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Well what Im saying is a lot of guys are like me and have been told very clearly that certain things that work really well are not good.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 08:30 PM
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I just think people are afraid to admit certain things. Women will openly admit that they get decision anxiety and don’t want to deal with mental load. Yet if you tell a female friend that when you go on dates you don’t ask what they want to eat and instead just dictate terms because whenever you ask it seems to lead to more ghosting and being stood up. They often offer pushback about taking her preferences into consideration. There’s a million examples I’ve experienced. All my close female frie…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 08:22 PM
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I’ve shared this story in here before but I’ve had situations where I was relating to lady friends and acquaintances how this particular strategy was working really well for me. These ladies were quick to tell me I was doing it wrong and blah blah blah. I have had multiple experiences like this where I said “wow X really seems to work” and all my close female friends and colleagues were like “women don’t like that” So what am I supposed to do. Listen to those close friends and colleagues and hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 08:14 PM
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Can’t tell if that’s better or worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 07:07 PM
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Yeah I only care about hypocrisy. Do what you want but just don’t be intellectually disingenuous about it. That’s my take.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 05:26 PM
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“Ended the dynamic and moved on” is a weird way to spell “posted a revenge fantasy on Reddit begging for people to agree”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 04:58 PM
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Agreed both sexes are shamed for things that ought not to be. When I say something like “as a man I feel I was shamed into believing that I couldn’t be sexual because of how unsafe women feel when men do express their interest” It’s rare that someone will chime in “I completely understand, because as a woman I was made to feel shameful about sex too because of purity culture. Of course all men aren’t evil lusty criminals, and of course all women who enjoy sex aren’t diseased dock side harlots” I…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 04:50 PM
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I constantly see people on here share views like “men are likely to get violent when rejected” Sorry I can’t relate, never seen it, none of my friends or family are like that. I don’t hang out in places where that’s common. If that’s happening so often around you then examine your social sphere, do something about it, maybe move to a more enlightened place and cut off all these violent psychos you hang out with.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 04:18 PM
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To me it seemed like the lady was a typical “nice guy” felt entitled to others attention for entertainment. Didn’t set clear boundaries, pretending like she’s some hero getting her revenge fantasy. It’s ugly on women just like it’s ugly on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 04:05 PM
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I feel the need to push back that we should stand up to unhealthy beauty standards. Ladies. Do NOT do that old Chinese foot thing. It ain’t right. Parents. Please leave the boys wiener alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 06:29 PM
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I think a lot of folks who have a hard time with sex and romance are not all hideous psycho trolls. I reckon a lot of them were just shamed into thinking the only virtuous way to meet women was to pretend they don’t exist and hope one picks you. So you end up with all these guys who are like “nobody wants me” but they never did any flirting and chasing and TRYING.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 06:19 PM
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I think if you study something useful your professors will likely be more balanced. I’m a stem guy so 90% of my classes had real reasonable moderate professors. The other 10% were liberal arts requirements and those professors were WAYYYYYYYYY different.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 05:51 PM
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Very red pilled take.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 05:46 PM
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So she got denied. Yet we’re supposed to think of her as some winning hero? Lucky her she went on a date with a guy she didn’t want to, because her first option had a life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 05:39 PM
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Yeah if you don’t like your outcomes you should change to fit the archetype that will on balance get you the most success. If you’re a wiry nerd, lift and get some money, get into some hobbies that women like to see in men. If you’re a lady, change to be whatever it is that guys like.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 04:11 PM
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So are we doing racism and sexism or not? Like just pick a lane. You can’t be like “it’s okay that im a sexist because….” That’s not how it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 04:02 PM
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For me basically I was told that the most virtuous way to get the girl is by becoming impressive and well groomed and in shape as possible and then pray a girl chooses you. Furthermore that I shouldn’t sexualize them or let on that I’m interested because it’s scary. It communicates that one you’re a bad person for wanting romance, and two that you’re not worthy until you’ve got your life together.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 05:30 PM
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Lots of people in the comments talking about how you can’t tell someone what to be attracted to. Tell it to the guy who never worked for Victoria’s Secret yet is treated as though he is the mastermind behind unfair female beauty standards. So is it okay to shame people and steer them towards more fair beauty standards? I’m not sure but I know it happened to me and a lot of men in my age group for our whole lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 04:23 PM
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Anyone who says that is dumb. We are social creatures and being alone for long periods will negatively affect your mental health in short order.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 03:56 PM
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I disagree. I hear it all the time from women in my realm that guys are boring they don’t know how to flirt the dates feel like an interview and less like romance. Obviously balance is important in all things. I just feel the need to highlight the attitude part because I feel like I was told not to focus on it. Yes get as rich and handsome as possible, but then you gotta learn how to approach and escalate and flirt and all the stuff people say not to worry about because it’s too risky, too rakis…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 07:02 PM
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I just wish someone would have said to me. You’re good enough, you don’t need to become perfect before exploring very human desires. I think that’s how a lot of guys feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 06:41 PM
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Id just say that there is a weird trend of perfect dudes not being sexy and imperfect dudes being quite sexy. I think there is a major underestimation of the importance of charm and bold charisma. It feels like nobody wants to admit that the perfect man can be an absolute bore. Of course good, successful dudes can be sexy if they just learn how to balance that stuff. It’s just hard when you’re constantly being told how totally normal stuff is wrong and ungentlemanly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 06:33 PM
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“If you get a bad reaction it’s okay” I think this is important. People want to do everything perfect. Just try it. Stop if it’s not working. People got to be open to the idea that they might actually get a good response for doing that thing they have always been told not to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 06:18 PM
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I agree. I think it’s just easy advice to give. Nobody will disagree that being successful in your career will help your romantic life. The trick to being sexy once you’ve got all that stuff is where I think guys need more guidance. You end up with these handsome, successful guys who signal lots of stability and good qualities that don’t really translate into sex appeal or romantic charm. The problem is nobody is willing to tell guys what things work in that realm.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 06:09 PM
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I think it’s still fine to criticize unhealthy or intellectually disingenuous trends in society. For instance I think it’s stupid that pretty people generally get less severe sentences for the crimes they commit. It’s not oppression but it’s absolutely insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 07:02 PM
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I guess I don’t get it. If women like slick, charismatic dudes. Then why the hate for guys learning those social skills. I’m a good looking successful guy. It feels like I was punished for that in this avenue. As if people felt the need to hamstring me so I don’t live up to my full potential. Spoiler alert: everything I was taught was icky and douchey is exactly what seems to work. Sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 09:37 PM
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Yeah and I’m saying that is silly. What’s wrong with practicing your social skills? Why would that be weird? Do you believe it implies something is wrong with the person because they need help?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 07:38 PM
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Romantic mood? Isnt that a little forward considering this might be a stranger? Playing devils advocate here as I feel there’s a major under emphasis on how important it is to actually demonstrate your desires toward someone in these stages. A lot of us were told basically don’t sexualize anyone but your wife. Then they get all butt hurt that nobody ever feels a “spark” after a first date. I feel like a lot of what flirting is kinda goes against what a lot of guys were taught in how to be a poli…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 06:24 PM
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How would you describe flirting?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 05:34 PM
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Then neither should men. Nobody should be gamed and shamed into doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 05:32 PM
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I find that women tend to give advice under the generalization that most women want this perfectly wholesome picture of a guy. They describe what their fathers and mothers would want in a healthy stable partner for them. I call it “mom advice” and “sleazy uncle advice” You need to find a balance. Of course don’t be an overly rakish rogue but also don’t be Mr milquetoast. I always used to try to be so polite, gentlemanly and non threatening that I think it killed my sex appeal.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 05:19 PM
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I have a question. Are people individuals or is it fair to observe trends that seem to lump people together?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 03:40 PM
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Who cares? You wouldn’t fault someone for taking a career bootcamp or something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 03:38 PM
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In my experience every time I relate to female friends, colleagues, and relatives what seems to work for me, they seem to get grossed out and tell me I’m doing it wrong. The advice they always give is basically do not attempt to be bold and charismatic in approach. Instead try to forget that women exist, work on yourself, and let the ladies come to me. In fairness that works for me too because I’m pretty good looking and impressive. Yet I find that shocker when I actually attempt to flirt and bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 02:17 PM
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That’s cool. I’ve always been told that it’s wrong to draw hard lines like that. I was always told to take the person as a whole and take their entire being into consideration.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:03 PM
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I reckon it’s based on general desire for a certain archetype that seems to get the best results. Again I think this is a bit moot because the before picture is something a lot of people wish they had lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:26 PM
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Everything that works well for me has been at one point or another discouraged by the women in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:21 PM
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Yeah on here it’s very back and forth. But in the real world a lady could have a meltdown about being rejected and nobody bats an eye. As a man if you even get bummed out. Not angry, not violent, just a little mopey everyone jumps down your throat with a lecture. If you do something drastic entering meltdown territory, you rightfully get whooped or unceremoniously removed from the venue. So it’s not equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 06:28 PM
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Again I can’t see much of a difference. Maybe they’re photography snobs?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 06:17 PM
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Answer: it’s not.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:58 PM
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How do you reckon with the public backlash that seemingly only one side gets for having preferences? Yes online forums have a lot of pushback but out on the grass it’s one way traffic on these issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:56 PM
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How would you ignore someone who pours a drink on you? I didn’t say “you’re too fat” I said “I’m not interested” So if everyone is allowed to have preferences how come it’s okay for someone to have a meltdown when I display my preference?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:54 PM
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I agree. It is wrong to tell men that they can’t have preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:40 PM
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So it’s totally fine. Yet you have some fear of saying it out loud? My issue is that I’ve been told my whole life that it’s wrong to have preferences. Which it sounds like you also disagree with. We agree, but you’re still upset, because I’m a man. That’s the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:38 PM
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I guess my issue is the hypocrisy. It’s fine if it’s fine for everyone. I feel like personally as a white guy I would take some flack for saying that out loud in public. Personally I’ve been shamed heavily for not finding certain people attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:22 PM
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I’m sorry do you think that’s okay to do? To take a hard line about not dating black people?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:19 PM
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My position is that the idea of what people call a “dad bod” or “natural healthy weight” is actually closer to a really fit guy in bad lighting. Or like a professional rugby player in the offseason. For men at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:17 PM
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I guess that’s the miscommunication then. It’s clear that being physically fit is helpful. I guess my perspective is that it sounds like a guy saying “you don’t need to have double Ds to be attractive, just like a really full C” Just so shallow and icky to me. I’m sure you would agree that women can be attractive at all shapes and sizes so long as they’re healthy. Yet it seems men still need to be “fit” which is not the same as “all shapes and sizes so long as you’re healthy”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:00 PM
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I don’t think revenge is the answer but just calling out the issues and putting names on things. IMO it’s wrong to filter people out of your life based on stats like weight or height. So just point out that that’s what you were taught, and how that’s exactly what they are doing. Could you imagine if a person said “I won’t date black people” or “I won’t date poor people” It ain’t right.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 04:52 PM
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Well I can tell you that it is in fact the same person. Which elucidates some things about your perception. You are under the impression that the guy in the left is not fit, or somehow less in shape than the picture on the right. A) they’re the same person B) the left picture is also an impressive level of fitness So I mean it kinda shows the naivety in saying “less fit can be attractive” because “less fit” in this case is still an impressive, quite physically fit guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 04:48 PM
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Yup I find that many modern “enlightened” women tend to not only desire but REQUIRE that infantilizing, protective, paternalism. It’s a debate so I’ll push back that there’s only one way to fix it. You need to enforce these things in your own life. Don’t cave just because you want to bust a nut. Make it clear “you seem to need protective paternalism, I’ll not give that to you because you’re not a child. It’s 2025” Then you gotta say buh bye.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 04:41 PM
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Some were some weren’t. The issue is women feel none of the shame for having a meltdown that their feelings were unrequited. If any of my guy friends behaved the way these women behaved when I turned them down, they’d potentially be in trouble with the law and 100% not my friend anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 04:31 PM
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I think it’s still fair to criticize stupid trends and stupid people. No matter how common their views may be.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 04:27 PM
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Discourage bold charismatic behavior in men Discourage men from learning courtship skills Shame men’s preferences Shame men’s sexuality Defend women’s hypocrisy, we’re all individuals. Shame men’s hypocrisy they’re responsible for the collective whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 04:19 PM
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I would agree with you if I wasn’t fed propaganda about body positivity and shamed to feel like a bad person for having certain preferences for my entire life. If you condemn that then I agree. If you think that’s okay then take a hike.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 04:09 PM
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Honestly I think more people live by that code than the Jedi one.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 06:26 PM
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Frustrating how multiple women have told me they lost interest because I didn’t show enough interest in their pussies and I was disconnected from my needs and desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 07:10 PM
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Disagree. If anything the guys im around were always taught that you should never, under any circumstances take anything as a hint. My age group was always told to ask for explicit permission. Maybe you need to surround yourself with people of higher character?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 07:08 PM
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I have experienced a general disdain for any kind of improvement in this area. For instance people will say “confidence is key” but then treat that confidence like it is icky arrogance. I’ve heard people say to “not treat women like sexual objects” but then get berated by ladies for not picking up their hints. I was always raised to be a gentleman so lead with manners and genuine interest in the person. Imagine my surprise when I had multiple women tell me they would have dated or at least slept…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 07:06 PM
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Completely disagree that yall “just” want respect and love. A hot gentleman with a great job and impeccable manners does not a Casanova make.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 06:56 PM
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The problem is that there’s a million socially acceptable derogations for people who believe in AF/BB. On the other hand the Madonna whore complex is a real psychological term. The truth is that it’s the phenomenon and professionals use it interchangeably to describe a loss of attraction to a person who you already have obtained commitment from. Man or woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 06:48 PM
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As a guy who has stood against it since middle school I disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 06:34 PM
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Disagree. As a hot nerd I can say that you can absolutely change your personality to get better results. YMMV because see above, hot nerd.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 06:31 PM
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Yeah we need to make space for the middle position. As it stands if you take a middle position you’ll be ridiculed by both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 06:26 PM
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I find there’s a few things ladies are allergic to admitting they like. I’ve been scolded by groups of friends over a particular pick up line that worked really well. If (group) is not a monolith and everyone is an individual then how come you’re telling me rules as if there’s some concencus. Also how come when I disobey your advice I have more success. Furthermore if you ever ask a friend who is a girl whether she thinks another girl is giving you signals or flirting with you, I find that they …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 05:41 PM
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Yes. I try to point this out IRL to my friends. Whenever someone hand waves something away with a buzzword, I make sure to try to ask detailed questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 05:26 PM
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IMO BP has a tendency to demonize normal behaviors like flirting, communicating desire implicitly, bold action. Both sides agree on getting as rich and good looking as possible. BP just equates certain normal behaviors as wrong or at the very least more likely to cause harm than good. We’re talking about communicating desire here. My heart breaks for people who feel like they are bad for feeling a romantic emotion towards someone and that it’s the best most virtuous option to just keep it to the…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 05:22 PM
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Agreed this is just too optimistic. Ya gotta have your life in order and be a good person. After that you need to pursue people you’re interested in. This is the issue IMO. People have equated friendly social interaction with disrespect and intrusion. Being a good person is a good start but then you need to take bold action to achieve whatever ends your after. That bold action is not wrong or disrespectful like many will have you believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 05:08 PM
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