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His record label at the time dropped him when the accusations came out ('03). Took 11 years before coming clean. I don't know how I found my way here, but it's worth noting that you're misinterpreting the numbers. The claims first surfaced in 2013 on xoJane, she was claiming that it happened in 2003(at a show that never actually happened). It didn't take 11 years to come clean, the accusation didn't happen til 2013. Before 2013 she was happily posting positive comments on facebook and other site…
/r/TheRedPill14/07/14 09:49 PM
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Medicaid covers Viagra. There is no male birth control pill, but Viagra is pretty male-specific and "subsidized" by tax payers in the same way OP is talking about birth control. Any questions?
/r/MensRights01/03/12 10:28 PM
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Sorry, it seemed like you were implying you could judge whether it was absolutely necessary. I just looked it up, I didn't realize Medicaid covered birth control. It also covers Viagra and provides for free condoms though. Are you okay with subsidizing that?
/r/MensRights01/03/12 10:23 PM
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I don't know, I think I was just reacting to someone calling this "standard knowledge." Made up numbers are standard knowledge? :( But yeah, women definitely do spend more, and I think also women make more purchasing decisions for households, no? I just don't even get the motivation behind the crazy numbers.
/r/MensRights01/03/12 10:19 PM
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I just can't even process that I'm talking about the Bible and he's getting angry and responding with an article from last year.
/r/MensRights01/03/12 10:13 PM
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It's just kind of ridiculous, it took me like 30 seconds to Google that and interpret it. Most people here are taking this information at face value, I can't imagine why. The numbers are absurd at first glance, and I have no background whatsoever in marketing or anything similar.
/r/MensRights01/03/12 10:03 PM
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The people who made this don't have really good reading comprehension, I wouldn't believe pretty much anything they say. Example, they say: Senior women age 50 and older control net worth of $19 trillion and own more than three-fourths of the nation’s financial wealth. – MassMutual Financial Group–2007 What was actually found: Senior women are among the group of Americans aged 50 and older who control a household net worth of $19 trillion, own more than three-fourths of the nation's financial we…
/r/MensRights01/03/12 09:54 PM
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That's weird, my understanding was that it mentions a man lying with another man, just as it mentions man lying with animal. I'll have to look into that later.
/r/MensRights01/03/12 09:33 PM
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I'm talking about the periods presenting sufficient complications that they absolutely necessitate the use of birth control Shouldn't that be between a woman and her doctor? Also, where do you live that you currently have to "subsidize" this cost?
/r/MensRights01/03/12 09:32 PM
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Women having irregular periods or other complications from menstruation isn't rare. Granted, I know most women don't have it as bad as me, but I'd say a good amount of the women I know are put on birth control by their doctors for reasons other than contraception. It's pretty common. Also, if my doctor didn't agree it was necessary I'd tell her to fuck off.
/r/MensRights01/03/12 09:22 PM
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The thing is, it wasn't clear in the article, but it doesn't seem like she actually brought charges against him. Obviously if she went to the police, that would be filing a false report and it would snowball from there. As it is, she told her boyfriend that some guy raped her, which was a lie, then her boyfriend(now dead) who was apparently unstable went and killed the guy. It's fucked up, there is no argument there. But if you get into charging people with crimes because of stuff they say to ot…
/r/MensRights01/03/12 09:20 PM
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http://www.dnainfo.com/20111202/greenwich-village-soho/rayon-mcintosh-be-freed-mcdonalds-beating-case Rayon McIntosh, the Greenwich Village McDonald's worker caught on dramatic cellphone video beating two unruly female customers, was not indicted by a grand jury, prosecutors said Friday, paving the way for him to be released from custody.
/r/MensRights01/03/12 09:10 PM
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Comment before yours: The Bible, and I believe the Koran, specifically forbids sodomy and man on man sexual activities, but is mum on women. And so, sexist laws are made. Beginning of my comment: Because at the time these books were written How on earth are you under the impression that I am talking about modern society? Do you just not know when the Bible and Koran were written?
/r/MensRights01/03/12 09:05 PM
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Okay, I'm sorry for answering your question. Women were revered at this time, and the Bible and all other old religious texts only say awesome stuff about them. They thought lesbians were super cool, which is why there is no specific mention of them.
/r/MensRights01/03/12 09:04 PM
11

There are other reasons to take birth control apart from preventing pregnancy that are actual medical problems.
/r/MensRights01/03/12 08:57 PM
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There are other reasons to use birth control apart from preventing pregnancy. Though I also use hormonal BC as a contraceptive(duh), my main reason for being on it is because I would be bedridden during my period without it, it would last about 10 days, and I would have no way to predict when it would come. Fun times! I pay for mine though, I'm not lucky enough to have any of my health-related expenses paid for by other people, but that doesn't mean there aren't others who legitimately need it.
/r/MensRights01/03/12 08:57 PM
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Because at the time these books were written, women were not even considered people, much less people who could have their own sexual desires. It would have been crazy to even consider that a woman could desire another woman, so why make a rule against it?
/r/MensRights01/03/12 08:45 PM
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From that same section: You can pretend you are oblivious to the fact most studies have been carried out by Privileged People® and therefore carry inherent biases, and insist that the Marginalised Person™ produce “Evidence” of what they‘re claiming. Their Lived Experience© does not count as evidence, for it is subjective and therefore worthless. This is the same thing we argue that feminists do(they act like the lived experiences of men do not count as evidence, and they back up their opinions u…
/r/MensRights01/03/12 08:37 PM
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He was murdered by two guys. As fucked up as it is to lie about rape, and as much as she should face some legal consequence for that if she brought false rape charges against him, she didn't murder him. We can't take responsibility away from the actual murderers in this scenario.
/r/MensRights01/03/12 08:32 PM
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Don't even know what to say, it's just sad and unfair. More should be done to call attention to this.
/r/MensRights01/03/12 06:10 PM
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Yeah, I have seen that as well. My ex(a guy, for the record) made a pastime out of calling me to say he "overdosed." I like to think those people are hopefully not a majority of "attempted" suicides, and surely not enough to inflate the numbers.
/r/MensRights01/03/12 05:57 PM
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I guess I don't understand that, when men are actually the ones dying in higher numbers. It's sad that the information would be used that way.
/r/MensRights01/03/12 05:55 PM
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Honest question, what do you mean by "ideologically pushed?" What's the purpose of "pushing" this information? And why would it be published in books, psychology papers, etc.?
/r/MensRights01/03/12 05:30 PM
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Just to clarify, I wasn't trying to comment on the reasoning as to why they attempt more often, though it seems many have taken it to mean women somehow experience more hardship, which is not at all the case. It's just extreme attention seeking behavior. Yes, in a sense that's what I've read as well, coupled with the fact that men choose more effective means(such as a gunshot to the face vs. trying to overdose). It's attention whoring at it sickest level. How many of these 'cries for help' are j…
/r/MensRights01/03/12 05:26 PM
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I know that is the common belief, it's just shocking that the same logic would be applied to harming children based on my life experience. Not a logical thing, sorry.
/r/MensRights01/03/12 01:55 AM
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Spoilers: I'm a girl, bro.
/r/MensRights01/03/12 12:31 AM
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Full quote: "Do you realise, that right this second, right now somewhere around the world some guy is getting ready to kill himself. Isn't that great? Statistics show that every year a million people commit suicide. Thats 2800 a day. That's one every thirty seconds. [Stares at watch] There goes another guy! And I say guy because men are four times more likely than women to commit suicide, even though women attempt it more. So men are better at it. That's something else you gals oughta be working…
/r/MensRights29/02/12 11:35 PM
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I bet women only fail to kill themselves because their inferior girl-brains aren't smart enough to succeed at it! Right bro? Right? http://imgur.com/3u6Ne
/r/MensRights29/02/12 11:22 PM
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I was speaking from prior knowledge in a psych class, if you google "women attempt suicide more often" you get many results, including speculation as to why. I have not seen a source that said otherwise, I have always read that women attempt suicide more often, while men are more likely to succeed which creates higher rates of suicide for men. I'm not sure why I got downvoted, the implication is that men typically choose more violent/decisive(for lack of better words) means, whereas women possib…
/r/MensRights29/02/12 11:17 PM
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I guess they took it to mean women have it harder, as opposed to the actual implication which is that men typically choose more violent/decisive means of suicide.
/r/MensRights29/02/12 11:15 PM
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Also interesting is that women attempt suicide more often than men do, they are just not successful as often.
/r/MensRights29/02/12 10:19 PM
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So, we don't want women in the military now? Either we want for men not to be the only ones going out and risking their lives or we're okay with it because women aren't as capable, it can't be both.
/r/MensRights29/02/12 09:06 PM
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I understand, I just meant I don't think you saying that will stop the people who aggressively post over there and sometimes actively derail or shame women for offering a women's perspective or discussing women's experiences... on a forum for women.
/r/MensRights29/02/12 08:38 PM
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but without MR disturbing their dynamic there. Good luck with that, top comments on most controversial articles/posts on TwoX are usually from men or MRAs.
/r/MensRights29/02/12 08:28 PM
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The only person who seems to care so much about karma here is you, and you're the one making it impossible to have a discussion by derailing. Just stop.
/r/MensRights29/02/12 06:20 PM
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Posting a video of a respected author on the subject surely isn't hurting anything, and it provides subscribers with a resource to refer people to if they make ridiculous arguments about what women are "capable" of.
/r/MensRights29/02/12 06:09 PM
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I can't even believe that an "argument" against the idea of women being pedophiles is that they don't have penises. I mean, what?
/r/MensRights29/02/12 05:46 PM
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You really just don't get how you sound.
/r/MensRights26/02/12 02:34 AM
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Again, like I said before, it doesn't seem to be anything against you but more because your feelings about your penis are totally irrelevant. It seems like you only made this post so people could pat you on the back and tell you those other people are just being nuts or something, so I'll just leave it at that.
/r/MensRights25/02/12 11:00 PM
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I didn't take part in the discussion, so I'm just assuming that's what the issue was. At least that's how it came off. I think the "I don't understand what the big deal is" as you just said would probably offend some people, because to them it is a big deal. Your attitude to what is really a human rights issue comes off as nonchalant to the point of seeming dismissive.
/r/MensRights25/02/12 10:46 PM
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You're being defensive and missing the point of what I'm saying. You contributed nothing to the discussion apart from "I like my dick." That is why you got a negative response.
/r/MensRights25/02/12 10:31 PM
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I'm a woman and I'm always shocked to hear some women do have a preference. Until my boyfriend explained it to me(and I was 21 at the time), I hadn't even considered the idea that there was any difference, and I couldn't tell you if my past partners were cut/uncut. Apparently having not seen very many flaccid penises, I had to have him explain what circumcised vs. uncircumcised actually was. I have to wonder if some women just repeat the preferences they hear other women have without even knowin…
/r/MensRights25/02/12 10:27 PM
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The reason people responded negatively is because someone posted about what amounts to male genital mutilation and the double standard that exists(female genital mutilation = bad, but let's chop off part of every male baby's penis y'all), and your "contribution" to the discussion was basically saying you like your dick. What does that have to do with anything? http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/q549k/mind_blowing_double_standard/c3uwmby Imagine a woman who'd had her genitals mutilated j…
/r/MensRights25/02/12 10:22 PM
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Can I say the same to you because there are mysoginist MRAs? Or ask why MRAs don't just use the egalitarian label? I believe in what feminism once was and the ideals presented on the referenced website. The label is just a label. Bad people come with all kinds of labels, I'm not going to let that run my life and certainly not my belief system.
/r/MensRights25/02/12 06:10 AM
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Good point, thank you for pointing that out.
/r/MensRights25/02/12 01:08 AM
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Well, from our perspective it's almost insulting. I look at someone like my mom who knows nothing about computers, and it might be the best she can do. Some people aren't computer literate and neither are their abusive partners. Clicking the x makes it obvious, showing an innocuous website is a lot less suspicious, you know?
/r/MensRights25/02/12 01:07 AM
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Really obviously not meant to be mathematically accurate, but you knew that.
/r/MensRights24/02/12 11:49 PM
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How do you know I eat animals?
/r/MensRights24/02/12 11:49 PM
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I was stating what it was for, since he thought it was for something else entirely. Not the best way, I agree.
/r/MensRights24/02/12 11:03 PM
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Thank you very much for linking that. I have been trying to find my place in feminism after many years of considering myself a feminist and more recently becoming interested in men's rights(which very clearly doesn't go with modern feminism). That website seems to be a good fit for what my beliefs are becoming, and I didn't think that would be possible while still using anything close to the word feminist.
/r/MensRights24/02/12 08:57 PM
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Don't fret, if you're 18, by the time you find someone you want to marry the idea of marriage might seem totally outdated. There aren't that many benefits to getting married in modern society.
/r/MensRights24/02/12 08:45 PM
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Yeah, I agree, that's hypocritical if coming from the same source. Looking at it from a completely cold standpoint and acknowledging that marriage for love is a fairly modern phenomenon, it makes total sense. It's always been about convenience. If it's not convenient, people aren't going to do it. Aren't marriage numbers in general dropping off?
/r/MensRights24/02/12 08:40 PM
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I think the implication is that in the past women had the need to marry up more so than today, which is generally true. With things like welfare programs and wide acceptance of single motherhood, you don't need to marry up anymore, or marry at all. I guess in a way this raises the bar for what constitutes a "marriageable" man, in most cases it's not "worth" it.
/r/MensRights24/02/12 08:33 PM
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Soldiers sometimes express regret and say they wouldn't have raped without group pressure, as some said after carrying out atrocities in Bosnia What else are they going to say? "I did it because I'm a rapist" or "Blame society, it wasn't me!" I was listening to a Radiolab the other day and they had audio of a Nazi war criminal on trial who said, "It wasn't my affair, I was just doing what I was ordered." This only goes so far, and mostly it's a bullshit copout. Studies have actually shown the in…
/r/MensRights24/02/12 08:28 PM
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"How dare you call us violent, I WILL FUCKING KILL YOU AND EVERYTHING YOU LOVE!" A+
/r/MensRights24/02/12 08:09 PM
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Any fight between males in high school I saw was usually broken up as soon as security appeared, not even needing any actual physical intervention. Most female fights I've seen needed to be physically broken up like that one. Same here. The girls I saw were going for each other's pregnant bellies. I mean what the fuck is that? People don't believe me when I tell them, because it sounds so fucking crazy. Second craziest fight I've seen(not even really a fight), one girl came up to another girl wh…
/r/MensRights24/02/12 08:08 PM
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Yeah, it's not even like they killed the dog of someone who was out hurting people(which still would be disgusting). I've honestly been thinking about it since I read it, I feel genuinely sad about it. So senseless. They wanted people to think women aren't capable of hurting the men they're in relationships with, when apparently they're capable of murdering dogs for no fucking reason. Okay then.
/r/MensRights24/02/12 08:00 PM
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Cops get away with murdering people. Punishment typically includes what amounts to a paid vacation. Though horrible, this is not surprising.
/r/MensRights24/02/12 07:38 PM
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Clear up any doubts her husband would have as to paternity. Implying she would have no problem with a paternity test in a situation where it's obviously warranted.
/r/MensRights24/02/12 07:36 PM
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Ironic and horrifying. I can't even put into words how disgusted I feel when I hear about someone killing an innocent animal. Like the dog deserved to die for doing nothing but loving and being fed by someone they disagreed with. Fucking monsters :(
/r/MensRights24/02/12 07:35 PM
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EDIT: The site also has an "EXIT QUICKLY" button at the top corner incase someone was too offended to even click the back button. It's possible you've never had a need for it so that's why you don't know(understandable), but those buttons appear on most if not all domestic violence related websites. They are there in case you are browsing and your abuser may suddenly walk in and catch you. Usually that will cause a lot of problems, so it's a safety measure, not meant to protect someone's delicat…
/r/MensRights24/02/12 07:16 PM
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The most brutal fight I have ever seen in real life was between two very pregnant teenage girls. What they lacked in strength, they made up for in brutality and complete disregard for any possible consequences of what they were doing.
/r/MensRights24/02/12 07:13 PM
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I can't disagree with your assessment, but what can he do about access to a child he's understandably attached to without staying with her? I'm not familiar with the legal rights he'd have to the child(I'd assume none given men's current status in the legal system), and I assume that had more than a little to do with his decision. It's kind of a situation where he's fucked either way, don't you think?
/r/MensRights24/02/12 06:24 PM
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I misinterpreted your comment to imply that the other kid might not be his. I now realize now you were probably commenting on the fact that it was a child out of wedlock, sorry about that.
/r/MensRights24/02/12 05:50 PM
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The praising of female virgins has pretty much nothing to do with feminism, and almost everything to do with religion.
/r/MensRights24/02/12 05:44 PM
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Regarding the cheating bit, I don't think most people(especially younger generations) take relationships seriously anymore. People go into monogamous relationships because it's what's expected, and then act like they're not even in monogamous relationships. It's to the point where reasonable expectations are automatically labeled insecure(as shown in your post). The concept of removing the temptation before anything fucking happens seems to be lost on 90% of people. I don't know anyone who hasn'…
/r/MensRights24/02/12 05:42 PM
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I don't understand the logic of not getting a paternity test in this situation. I don't see how anyone could make the argument that he's a "bad husband" for wanting a paternity test when he should no longer be able to have children. The link to the original article isn't working, I'd really like to see what it said. Even with absolutely no history of cheating, if that happened with my partner I'd suggest the test to establish paternity and then have him go and talk to the person who did his vase…
/r/MensRights24/02/12 05:37 PM
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The hypocrisy here is that I've seen several men complaining that if they were more attractive women wouldn't consider them sexist/creepy/whatever and that's fucked up, yet the same sentiment expressed towards women is upvoted. Also, you can be sexually harassed by someone you find attractive(male or female).
/r/MensRights24/02/12 03:01 PM
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Even outside of class, when no one else is around? He's asking other people to back up his opinion for him.
/r/MensRights24/02/12 01:46 PM
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That is horrifying, but this is gold: Like the cover of that Pink Floyd album, only with rapes.
/r/MensRights24/02/12 01:41 PM
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It takes more than a handful of people, but still not a lot. Have yout friends report it.
/r/MensRights24/02/12 11:53 AM
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I would google it but I am limited to a work laptop at the moment, sorry. Try something like former porn actress, drugs in porn, etc. I have never been that into porn so I don't remember the big names, but if I recall correctly a few big ones have spken out. It's not a glamorous life style. But like you said, it's a personal choice.
/r/MensRights24/02/12 04:17 AM
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They don't complain about the money, but about the psychological aspects and the lifestyle that almost invariably goes along with the profession.
/r/MensRights24/02/12 03:09 AM
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This is probably not the best approach if OP wants to back up his claim, if you do some research on this topic, many porn actresses don't have a lot of good things to say about the industry.
/r/MensRights24/02/12 02:45 AM
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But the only reason OP is here is because he doesn't have anything to back his opinion.
/r/MensRights24/02/12 02:44 AM
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Don't forget to check out the whack your ex-girlfriend game, where he shoots her with a poop gun. The poop is supplied by a tube coming out of his butt. http://www.whackit.co/whack_your_ex_girlfriend.html
/r/MensRights24/02/12 02:42 AM
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If you read the comments, he had the child that's on the way DNA tested.
/r/MensRights24/02/12 02:41 AM
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The image in that article is one of the most disturbing I have ever seen.
/r/MensRights24/02/12 01:00 AM
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My guess is a bunch of women were offended and very vocal about it. I know people who work in mobile games, and it doesn't take a lot to get stuff removed from the major marketplaces. If people submit complaints, the one linked in the OP would be removed as well. I've seen stuff that was a lot less offensive removed.
/r/MensRights24/02/12 12:14 AM
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¿Que?
/r/MensRights24/02/12 12:09 AM
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The thing I said was "funnier" was in the whack your ex girlfriend game. The guy takes out a gun which has a tube coming out of his butthole, and shoots the girl in the face with poop. It's certainly low brow, but I don't think it's a realistic portrayal of domestic violence or even assault. I've been in an abusive relationship, so it's not a lack of sensitivity. This looks like a joke(both the male and female ones). A low brow, probably offensive joke, but not a lot more. I associate it more wi…
/r/MensRights24/02/12 12:04 AM
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So I take it the rest of my comment just doesn't exist for you? Fair enough. If you want to keep your head in the sand about your kids or future kids, good luck to you.
/r/MensRights24/02/12 12:01 AM
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That I can't disagree with. I was going to say I could never be that good a person, but it goes beyond being a good person to being a sucker. At the same time, what could he do about his attachment to the kid at the point that years have passed? If he leaves the mom, doesn't he then give up the legal right to be in his life?
/r/MensRights23/02/12 11:40 PM
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I don't think getting shot in the face with a poop gun coming out of your ex-boyfriend's ass is a realistic portrayal of domestic violence, sorry. If it happened to you, I hope your life is better now.
/r/MensRights23/02/12 11:38 PM
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He forgives her and goes on to have another kid with her... but you think she should be dead?
/r/MensRights23/02/12 11:02 PM
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That's a major release... this is a small company with a range of "whack your ___" games, including this one.
/r/MensRights23/02/12 10:52 PM
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For what it's worth, the company has a "whack your ex-girlfriend" game, though it's not on the Android store. http://www.whackit.co/whack_your_ex_girlfriend.html The poop one is actually a lot funnier on that one, and he does beat the shit out of her. I've never heard of it before today, though it seems they have a full line of "whack your ___" games.
/r/MensRights23/02/12 10:46 PM
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Those women have probably never actually been beaten by a partner, so the idea is a joke to them to the point of it being cartoonish, especially because it seems to be no big deal to Rihanna who is not releasing songs with him and all that.
/r/MensRights23/02/12 10:06 PM
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When you put it like that, it actually sounds kind of cute.
/r/MensRights23/02/12 09:42 PM
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You seem like a great dad. I wish the guys I grew up with had dads around to advise them about this stuff, I saw too many "whoops" pregnancies(not even counting the fake pregnancies, which is a whole other story) and guys in abusive relationships who just thought it was normal for their girlfriends to constantly hit them and treat them like shit.
/r/MensRights23/02/12 09:34 PM
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Can you elaborate on the rightful position in the hierarchy thing? I'm genuinely curious as to how you came to that conclusion and/or how you'd back it up.
/r/MensRights23/02/12 09:30 PM
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I'm not saying I disagree with you, but posts like this always confuse me. How is it you've come to hold your opinion, if you are unable to defend it? I can't imagine believing something without having come to that conclusion through some kind of logic other than, "Yep, sounds about right." Your position is pretty much the same as the people you're saying are wrong.
/r/MensRights23/02/12 09:26 PM
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If you could dig up a link to that article, I'd be really interested in reading it. I've never heard it phrased like that, but it actually makes sense.
/r/MensRights23/02/12 02:30 PM
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Fighting logic with logic over here.
/r/MensRights23/02/12 11:36 AM
1

Neither has OP. Look up the book and interviews yourself.
/r/MensRights23/02/12 11:27 AM
1

Beating a dead horse, just like most comments on TwoX said. I think this one said it best. Also, literally literally, literally.
/r/MensRights23/02/12 02:45 AM
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If it's only them, then why don't all the other posts have a proportionate amount of downvotes? Hmm...
/r/MensRights23/02/12 01:20 AM
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And they're not the pretty young nurses, but middle aged, fat and ugly ones who I couldn't be less attracted to. What does that even remotely have to do with it? Report them to HR.
/r/MensRights23/02/12 01:18 AM
3

Yeah, obviously SRS... there's no reason MRAs wouldn't want this stuff associated with them. No, sir.
/r/MensRights23/02/12 01:07 AM
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And how dare this screechy wannabe-Gilbert-Gottfried criticize the way others talk. Spit water all over my laptop, wasn't expecting such a hilarious and accurate description.
/r/MensRights23/02/12 01:06 AM
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Grew up in Miami, FL. Not in a great area either. My experience is my experience, don't know what to tell you.
/r/MensRights23/02/12 12:48 AM
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Yeah, I don't know, I just can't see this realistically benefiting anyone other than the adoptive dad and the daughter, sorry :\
/r/MensRights22/02/12 10:13 PM
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I have to agree with this. I think with all the options available, it's sad that so many unwanted pregnancies even happen. If most of those were the result of condom or hormonal birth control failures, there just wouldn't be very many to speak of.
/r/MensRights22/02/12 10:12 PM
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Not everyone has a mother around to teach them how to dress, or one who has the money to take them shopping when needed. The girls who dress in booty shorts and purposely show off cleavage are by far the minority(at least in the US, not sure where you are from), but these seem to be the ones that are discussed the most when older men complain that they "can't sexualize" teenage girls. I agree that things were easier in the past, and our society has become more than a little fucked up in terms of…
/r/MensRights22/02/12 10:04 PM
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I can see that I guess... even though in reality it seemed like she'd be losing more money than she'd be gaining. They're already getting married, so I don't see how she'd possibly be gold digging by trying to help her new husband have legal rights when it comes to her daughter. Their finances will be joined by getting married. Her rationale for adoption was off, but it seemed more like the ideas of someone who is uneducated about what step-parenthood allows vs. adoption. The only way I see the …
/r/MensRights22/02/12 09:40 PM
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I've heard of this book, and my impression was that he wasn't talking about why marriage fails, but why monogamy fails. While marriage typically implies monogamy, these are not the same thing. I also think that studies have shown time and again that while both men and women desire sexual variety(to put it really simply), this desire is a lot stronger in men. Though it is somewhat one-sided, he seems to be exploring the monogamy "trap" that people fall into, thinking they'll be happy/fulfilled wi…
/r/MensRights22/02/12 09:14 PM
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This makes perfect sense, thanks for taking the time to write it out.
/r/MensRights22/02/12 04:41 PM
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Yes, a little. People ask for advice on reddit all the time when their partners don't have accounts, or maybe their partners are busy. I also just don't get this: Why give up the free money of the child support? For essentially no benefit (except to you)? Am I misreading, or are you implying the benefit is just for her? What's the benefit to her of giving up the free money? I agree with the first part though, as far as I know you can put stepchildren on insurance and all that.
/r/MensRights22/02/12 04:35 PM
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As someone who's been a teenage girl with breasts that developed suddenly when she didn't even want them, a lot of the time those girls with "luscious" breasts as he creepily put it are not purposely sexualizing themselves, and they're not wrong to not want that sexual attention. One week you're wearing a tank top and look like a normal kid, couple weeks later you put on your same clothes and suddenly everyone tells you you're dressing slutty and guys are catcalling you when you're walking to th…
/r/MensRights22/02/12 03:27 PM
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So if people came in here trolling, the mods should let them stay, because "freedom of speech?"
/r/MensRights22/02/12 02:33 AM
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Fair enough.
/r/MensRights21/02/12 10:07 PM
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As I said to the other poster, that short blurb was prompted by my memory of seeing someone say 13 year old girls could seduce adult men, but 13 year old boys would be victims in the same scenario. I wish I didn't mention it, because this post was not about that and the thread should not be hijacked by it. All I was saying is that a lot of things get said here and are allowed that make the movement look not so great, so I don't think anyone at all will end up banned. That's all.
/r/MensRights21/02/12 09:50 PM
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I'll dig through my comment history when I get off work and see if I can find it, it was at least a month ago but it was bad enough that it kept me away from this subreddit for a few weeks.
/r/MensRights21/02/12 09:43 PM
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I was pointing out things in this subreddit that IMO make the people who say them look like crap, and those people didn't have their comments deleted and were not banned. The 13 year old thing was referring to a post I recall from someone saying girls that young can seduce adults(but boys who have sex that young are victims, because girls are more cunning). It was not related directly to the "faggot" thing, just an additional example. To me, that makes whoever is saying it look bad, sorry. You'r…
/r/MensRights21/02/12 09:04 PM
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If the mods haven't banned some of the people that give MRAs a bad name(looking at the people who use words like mangina, faggot, etc., and claim 13 year old girls can consent to sex with an adult), I really doubt they're going to ban anyone.
/r/MensRights21/02/12 08:55 PM
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I did, and thought I caught it in time. Sorry, was reading through stuff and just clicked.
/r/MensRights21/02/12 06:49 PM
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Yes, but the opposite of logic(the branch of mathematics) is not emotion. His idea that this article somehow implies men are logical, women are emotional is completely wrong. He has no grasp on what the article is actually saying.
/r/MensRights21/02/12 06:48 PM
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The way communities are set up includes rules and guidelines, as well as mods at the top to enforce those rules. People are going to dislike it when you bring your outdated views into their community, and sometimes they'll kick you out for it. "Get over it, that's just life."
/r/MensRights21/02/12 05:54 PM
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I can't believe it's even posed as a question if he should marry her.
/r/MensRights21/02/12 04:55 PM
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What was the instructor's reasoning? Was there perhaps something about the scenario your boyfriend assumed that the instructor would have had concrete knowledge about? Also, why would med students(well, future doctors) go on emergency calls?
/r/MensRights21/02/12 04:26 PM
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Men and women are allowed to have outings with whoever they want to have outings with.
/r/MensRights21/02/12 04:17 PM
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http://i.imgur.com/hWuSf.jpg
/r/MensRights21/02/12 04:12 PM
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Did you actually read that article? You said men are more rational/women more emotional. The article says they've found that men's brains are more adept at localized processes(so, that'd help with a math problem for example), whereas women's brains are better with assimilating and integrating information(which helps with language skills). This has absolutely nothing to do with being inherently rational or emotional in terms of personality or behavior. If you're going to cite things, read them fi…
/r/MensRights21/02/12 04:08 PM
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The gender roles you referred to in your comment are harmful to both men and women. I don't frequent OneY, so I don't know why they'd ban you for it without warning, but I'd guess the comment was deleted because it's promoting an outdated idea that does more harm to men than good. There should be no set way for a man to "be a man." If someone identifies as a man, he's still a man even if he's not fitting the man stereotype you have in your head. And I'm not even going to touch the whole "rationa…
/r/MensRights21/02/12 04:05 PM
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Have a good one.
/r/MensRights20/02/12 11:27 PM
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Where have I argued that rape culture even exists? Get past your own bias, please. Pointing out to someone that something is not the way to argue against rape culture != "zomg rape culture is so bad u guyz come wit me 2 a slut walk." The second you see someone disagreeing, you simply assume that they are taking the position of your "enemies." Super logical.
/r/MensRights20/02/12 10:45 PM
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In fact, in my comments I said victim blaming is common, not simply "blaming women for their own (actual, not false) rapes." It's your assumption that only women can be victims. My statement would include children and men, and in my humble opinion from what I have seen, yes, it is as common, and whatever news outlet is handling the story will go for whatever sounds crazier, more offensive, more sensationalist -- whatever will garner the most attention, be it victim blaming or false accusations. …
/r/MensRights20/02/12 10:31 PM
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That's like the 15th time I've been called a troll in this subreddit. But I keep coming back. Men's rights are important to me, so I'm past the point of giving shit if there are some people here that can't handle having their logic questioned. The fact that you think someone saying "I agree with what you're saying, but do you see the flaw in your logic?" is anything but constructive criticism makes me think perhaps you are the troll.
/r/MensRights20/02/12 10:21 PM
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Ugh, no. Get out! I've contributed several thoughtful comments to this thread. What did you contribute just now? I won't get out, thanks.
/r/MensRights20/02/12 09:36 PM
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I wish I had more time to dig up every article I've ever seen this in. I don't run a website for this purpose, but I am sure if you did equal research on both sides you would find that, again, news outlets go with whatever sounds more sensationalist. If it's "Don't let your kids wear skirts, they will be slutty and get raped!" that's what they're going to go with. I don't have specific example to cite, but I can only tell you in good faith that I have seen it very often, too often, just like we …
/r/MensRights20/02/12 08:28 PM
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For the purpose of my comment and pretty much anytime I ever talk about victim blaming, that's not what I was referring to as victim blaming. I agree with you that many people, especially feminists, are too quick to jump up and call "victim blaming" on basically anything. You pretty much can't question a woman who's been raped in a legal setting without someone freaking out. I perhaps don't follow this issue as closely as you do, but I don't see a very big difference in how widespread victim bla…
/r/MensRights20/02/12 08:18 PM
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My post merely asked a legitimate question: if we lived in a "rape culture," why do we see story after story after story that assumes guilt based on nothing more than an accusation? This commenter's response seemed like a legitimate response to that: Its entire premise is a false dichotomy. 'I say that in a rape culture X would happen, and since X isn't happening this can't be a rape culture'. That's like if I said 'if you're a man then you must like football, and since you don't like football y…
/r/MensRights20/02/12 07:38 PM
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Yeah, I don't much explore the feminist side of reddit, so I wouldn't know. But it seems like a valid question -- if we are to believe the patriarchy exists, what are its roots?
/r/MensRights20/02/12 07:20 PM
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The problem is that the average reader/viewer believes that reporters actually investigate stories. Absolutely that's the problem, and no one cares enough to do anything about it. People take pretty much everything they see at face value, even from freaking jokes sites like the Onion. I don't even think this would be such a big issue if most people had the ability to think critically, but obviously they don't. I can't tell you how many wrongfully accused guys I've heard from who want help gettin…
/r/MensRights20/02/12 07:01 PM
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I think it's just news outlets trying to go with whatever gets them the most viewers/page views. "Students horrified after second campus sexual assault by athlete" is more of an attention grabber than "Second alleged sexual assault in a couple of months, case pending." Same with stories that blame the victim, even the outrage it inspires gets them more attention. It's disgusting. Plus almost anyone is a "reporter" or "journalist" now. You can read an article on a news website written by someone …
/r/MensRights20/02/12 06:51 PM
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I think you should ask this in a feminist subreddit, I'd be interested to see the answers. The question doesn't come off as inflammatory. Though I don't have a lot of experience with feminist subreddits, there has to be at least one that would be accepting of this question, no? As a feminist, I think it'd be hard to say that biology wouldn't factor in(and like you said, that's if we're not questioning those three claims/assumptions), at least in terms of women being biologically "disadvantaged" …
/r/MensRights20/02/12 06:26 PM
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Oh snap.
/r/MensRights20/02/12 05:51 PM
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This made me think, I think the problem is there are people on one side screaming rape culture, as if every story is covered one way, ignoring stories like Max Nicastro's. Then there are people on the other side implying every story is like Nicastro's, ignoring times where news stories include lines like "Neighbors say the 11 year old girl was seen dressing 'like an adult' and was sexually promiscuous" when a little girl gets gang raped. It does happen. Women, men, children, whoever do get blame…
/r/MensRights20/02/12 05:37 PM
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What's the deal with treating TwoX as some kind of example of all that is wrong with feminism around here? Anytime there is a thread about this over there, the opinions more closely align with those over here than those of a feminist subreddit...
/r/MensRights20/02/12 01:59 PM
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http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/2011/02/07/interview-rewriting-masculinity-with-the-good-men-project/ Our initial goal for the project was very simple: It was simply to start a conversation about what it means to be a good man. The original way that we did that was through a book that Tom Matlack had put together—the defining moments in men’s lives. They were stories about these really interesting moments, whether it was the time that a husband got kicked out on the street for being a cheat and …
/r/MensRights18/02/12 01:31 PM
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If you read a woman's facial expression and discern that she has withdrawn consent, and continue to have sex with her - you are indeed committing a crime. The problem here is, which I think should have been better addressed in the post, how do you know if a rapist read or didn't read the victim's expressions? You are stating that this is committing a crime, when in reality there is no way within the law to discern whether or not it happened. A rapist could very clearly read a victim's expression…
/r/MensRights18/02/12 01:19 PM
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Seems like if any woman other than GWW made a joke like that, there would be a separate post about how inappropriate it is: Let’s say I saw that the other driver was my ex-husband, and I floored the gas pedal, slamming my car into his before backing up and ramming his vehicle repeatedly until the jaws of life couldn’t extricate him from the mangled wreckage. Not that I would ever want to do something like that coughcough, but in that case I would be found to have acted purposefully and wilfully …
/r/MensRights18/02/12 12:08 PM
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No one else think the murdering the ex-husband joke was a little off putting? Just me? But either way, nothing that she is saying is new or unheard of. Haven't we all heard these same arguments before? Women drink willingly, women don't say no, innocent guys get accused of rape, etc., etc. It may have been more useful to dedicate that effort to examining the why instead of the how in this case, in regards to gender relations around sex, consent, rape, etc.
/r/MensRights18/02/12 03:11 AM
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Neither I nor the congresswoman in the video implied that men do not want hormonal birth control. What I said, if you read carefully, was that this is about the hormonal birth control that currently exists. Men do not have a need for that one that currently exists, because it would not serve as birth control for them if they ingested it. Because this is the birth control pill that she is talking about(again, the one that currently exists), it is a factual statement that men do not need it. And i…
/r/MensRights17/02/12 08:53 PM
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In the context, "birth control" does not mean any form of birth control, but the specific type of birth control being legislated about(that is, hormonal birth control). She has never met a man who has the need for the birth control pill which currently exists and is at the root of the discussion. This is likely a factual statement. I'm pretty sure she was not implying that men have no need for, for example, condoms. Or that a BC pill for men should not be developed. In short, she's just a close-…
/r/MensRights17/02/12 08:39 PM
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She's talking about specific legislation about a specific type of birth control that does not effect men(I do not know any men who take hormonal BC, if you do then perhaps they have some kind of medical problem?), and the men involved are trying to exclude women from the discussion. Context.
/r/MensRights17/02/12 08:35 PM
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Considering they just recently posted screen caps of a video where a woman was being raped and then defended it after their readership lost their shit(and left the images up), I sincerely doubt the Jezebel staff will give a shit.
/r/MensRights17/02/12 07:11 PM
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Totes.
/r/MensRights19/01/12 07:43 PM
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I seriously don't understand why he hasn't been banned, makes this subreddit look pretty shitty.
/r/MensRights16/01/12 02:21 PM
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I guess some people operate on the assumption that when you know someone, you have at least some kind of insight into the kind of person they are, and how likely they are to fuck strangers. The reality is, if a stranger is going to fuck you within 5 minutes of meeting you, it's really likely they've done that before. This means they likely have a much higher number of past sexual partners than your friend you've known a few months who hasn't tried to have sex with you, and who you haven't seen t…
/r/MensRights16/01/12 01:06 PM
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We are having two different conversations. I'm sorry, but I don't see this going anywhere productive. Have a good one.
/r/MensRights15/01/12 10:36 PM
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Yeah, because sharing my personal experience means I was talking about all women.
/r/MensRights15/01/12 08:49 PM
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I understand what you're saying. I am absolutely not denying that Australia has laws that favor women. I think I didn't express that clearly in my comment. What I was pointing out is that it doesn't seem to favor women in this particular area of the law because not one person could provide an example of a similar case where a man got a heavier sentence, but a couple of examples of child rape cases with similarly light/no sentences were imposed. I misunderstood your intention and thought you were…
/r/MensRights15/01/12 07:17 PM
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Where am I lying my ass off? Can you provide a citation for a case similar(ie, same area of the world, in recent history) to the specific one I was discussing where a man got a heavier sentence? If you can, then I'll admit I was completely wrong. As it stands, in that thread, no one provided that, and several people provided examples showing that rape sentencing in Australia overall leans light regardless of gender. You're taking the specific thing I was discussing/responding to and turning it i…
/r/MensRights15/01/12 07:10 PM
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Again, I said in this particular area. I won't respond to the rest, you're baselessly attacking me for no reason.
/r/MensRights15/01/12 06:23 PM
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Just so you know, condoms don't completely prevent the spread of STDs that can be spread by skin to skin contact(or any STDs really). For example, herpes. I believe they reduce the risk by something like 30%. I don't really like those odds myself. They actually don't prevent any STD 100% of the time. There's always some level of risk involved, even pregnancy isn't prevented by condoms 100% of the time. Obviously, consenting adults are free to do as they please, but for me? The "reward" of having…
/r/MensRights15/01/12 05:40 PM
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The "women behaving badly" posts are a reminder to everyone that if women are the legal equals of men, then women should be as legally culpable and responsible for their behaviour as men. I think the reason people were put off by that post(including me) is that in this particular area, the law in Australia doesn't actually favor women. Men receive light or no sentences for rape in many cases as well. In one cited example, a bunch of males served no prison time when they admittedly gang raped a l…
/r/MensRights15/01/12 05:02 PM
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Honestly, I'm a woman and even if the hottest guy imaginable approached me and prpositioned me I'd say no. First thought: STDs, don't know this person, PASS. Surprised more guys didn't say no for that reason alone.
/r/MensRights15/01/12 03:02 PM
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There were no similar cases in the area where men got more time. Someone posted a link to case where males got no jail time for gang raping a girl, though they all plead guilty. Please do not jump to conclusions. The laws in Australia are shit, but at least in this one area it's not men who are the victims. Please don't spread misinformation. Edited for typos.
/r/MensRights15/01/12 02:49 PM
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Yeah, I'm trolling.
/r/MensRights15/01/12 05:54 AM
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Yeah, totally normal for an adult to want to have sex with 13 year olds.
/r/MensRights15/01/12 05:51 AM
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You seriously do have problems. Age of consent laws apply to boys too btw. But I guess you don't want to have sex with them, so we can just ignore that. Edit: to clarify, this comment no longer at all resembles the one I originally responded to in any way.
/r/MensRights15/01/12 05:42 AM
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Yeah, the age of consent was raised from 10 and 12. Do you seriously have a problem with that?
/r/MensRights15/01/12 05:35 AM
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She is using the same language in the article she was responding to. It told feminists to grow up. You can't dish it out and then complain when you're responded to the same way. This is why that type of language doesn't help anyone. Now it's basically just an internet fight to see who can put who down the most. No one is accomplishing anything here.
/r/MensRights15/01/12 05:30 AM
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It seemed clear to me honestly. MRAs are included in the people she was talking about, because they are (mostly) adults too.
/r/MensRights15/01/12 05:26 AM
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Did you read the original article though? She's not implying that men should be self-sacrificing, but that adults should be capable of looking out for others and realizing everything is not about them.
/r/MensRights15/01/12 02:49 AM
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How is that related to the OP though? Isn't it kind of unfair to use this little girl's suffering as a jump off to a discussion of men's rights when this has nothing to do with it?
/r/MensRights15/01/12 02:45 AM
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Well said. I read the article he is attacking, and it doesn't seem to imply anything he thinks it does. I agree with you, it seemed to me she was addressing all adults. From the article: Getting to my final point - how do you tell if a person has really reached adulthood? Simple, my standard is that they know it's not all about them. I completely agree.
/r/MensRights15/01/12 02:26 AM
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Why should women be held to a lesser standard than men? This case is not an example of that happening. Check out the links others have posted in this thread. Someone linked to a case where a bunch of men got off when they clearly gang raped a little girl. It's the law in Australia that's fucked up, and men aren't the ones being harmed by it, the kids are.
/r/MensRights15/01/12 02:16 AM
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My recent comment history is almost all here, I think I'd have the same problem :(
/r/MensRights14/01/12 11:02 PM
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I don't really post in any of the feminist subreddits, and I don't usually go to subreddits I don't frequent and submit posts just to see what happens. You could though, if you think it'd be productive.
/r/MensRights14/01/12 10:44 PM
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This sounds light rape to me. But, a rape under this scenario should not be prosecuted. I respectfully disagree. She knew he did not want intercourse, and very clearly went against his wishes on purpose. No one should be able to violate another person like that without consequence. I know it's he said, she said, but with more information I do believe someone who does what the girl in the story did should face some kind of consequence.
/r/MensRights14/01/12 10:42 PM
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Yeah, that's why I said most. We can't assume feminists == misandrists. Either way, this isn't about "not all feminists are like that," I was pointing it out to say that this guy is clearly a total idiot. From everything he said in the entire post, it would logically follow that the story he related is one involving rape. If he was trying to make the case that it wasn't, then it was lost in his poor writing. I don't think his post has as much to do with being a feminist as it has to do with him …
/r/MensRights14/01/12 07:37 PM
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I think it's just as absurd as the rape ones. People who are rapists/abusers aren't going to stop engaging in those activities because of a poster. A child abuser isn't going to see those and think, "Shit, I better stop abusing my kid." Purely as parody and to point out the ridiculousness of the rape ones, I get it. But to actually accomplish anything? Not so sure I see the point. I think people in this community already get it, and those outside the community will quickly dismiss them as absurd…
/r/MensRights14/01/12 07:31 PM
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Anyone could see that this is rape, and most feminists I've known would as well. We're told a woman's physical arousal does not indicate consent, and that oftentimes the body will "go along" in order to spare us additional pain. How can the same standard not be applied to men? Arousal clearly doesn't equal consent, which he seems to admit, and no one would say it does for a woman. It's almost like he's calling what happened to Ian "almost" rape, but because he's a man it's not? That doesn't even…
/r/MensRights14/01/12 07:24 PM
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She couldn’t call it rape then, in 1989. This article was written by a man, FYI. He also said he is hesitant to call it rape to this day.
/r/MensRights14/01/12 07:21 PM
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The basic problem with executions is that when you figure out that the court fucked up the person is already dead. That's one of the main reasons I am against the death penalty, it's just an emotional reaction I have when I hear about crimes so heinous. In practice, I'd never want the state to actually execute someone, it goes against what I believe in. It's just sometimes that desire for revenge does some up.
/r/MensRights14/01/12 07:14 PM
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Exactly.
/r/MensRights14/01/12 07:05 PM
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Someone else posted a link showing men in Australia receiving no jail time for gang raping a little girl. Seems like everyone gets light sentences there, doesn't seem to be a women getting lighter sentences thing at all.
/r/MensRights14/01/12 06:37 PM
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Yeah, that's offensive to men... but really, a little girl was raped by her own mother, and the first thing that comes up is "Oh no, this is so offensive to men!" What's more offensive is that vile bitch will be out of prison in four years. Please don't get me wrong, I'm completely in support of men's rights and have been spending a lot of time here lately, so I am certainly not trolling, but it's really fucked up that this is even considered a men's rights issue. One judge's prejudices does not…
/r/MensRights14/01/12 06:32 PM
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What does that even have to do with it? My point is that this is not even remotely a men's rights issue, because there is no case in the same area being cited where a man is sentenced to more time for a similar crime. It's just a kneejerk reaction to a woman getting a light sentence, when someone already cited a case where a bunch of men served no jail time for gang raping a little girl in Australia. The laws in Australia are fucked up, but it's the kids that are the ones getting the short end o…
/r/MensRights14/01/12 06:26 PM
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If the poor girl was raped by her dad I'm sure that he would be in jail for the rest of his life. Source? You've already had someone show an example of men gang raping a little girl in the same country and serving no time. So what do you base your claim on?
/r/MensRights14/01/12 06:22 PM
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He was charged. He has not been sentenced. Plus, he did it hundreds of times over a time span of more than a decade. If anyone could cite a case similar to this from the same area then I could understand the comparison, otherwise it's just taking this poor little girl's pain and using it for men's rights purposes when it's not even related.
/r/MensRights14/01/12 06:20 PM
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The victim here is that little girl, not the hypothetical man who would supposedly get more time. Can anyone even cite a similar case in the same area where a man got more time? Or is it just anytime a woman gets a light sentence it becomes a men's rights issue? It's fucked up to appropriate someone else's suffering and injustice.
/r/MensRights14/01/12 04:52 PM
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Do you have a citation for a similar crime in the same area?
/r/MensRights14/01/12 04:31 PM
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Sometimes men serve little time for heinous crimes. Do you have a citation to back up your claim?
/r/MensRights14/01/12 04:31 PM
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I've never been there. Have you?
/r/MensRights13/01/12 10:09 PM
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The higher rate in Sweden is probably at least partially explained by a looser/broader definition of "rape." Also, clearly those images are not a good representation of how all women in Sweden dress, but rather a representation of the images that exist of them on the internet.
/r/MensRights13/01/12 09:44 PM
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It's really hard for me to think of a reason why someone like that shouldn't be killed. No one would be stupid enough to argue that he could be rehabilitated... so I don't know, it really makes me question my beliefs, or at least think that there should be exceptions.
/r/MensRights13/01/12 09:38 PM
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I wouldn't be able to name any prominent MRAs to even search for them, sorry. My only experience is with bloggers, and I doubt any of them would warrant an article in an encyclopedia.
/r/MensRights13/01/12 09:37 PM
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Again, reading that page, it really seemed like some of the arguments being made were emotional. That's not going to get anywhere. I think if it were objectively shown why the article should be included using only facts, there would be no way to keep the article down. You have to ask and answer objectively why the article is significant, and the answer can't be just that it's an example of someone killing themselves for something we believe in.
/r/MensRights13/01/12 09:29 PM
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Yeah, I think the contexts we were talking about got lost somewhere. What I originally felt when I read the article was that it was ridiculous to act like men dressing as women was some sort of power display, when they are routinely ridiculed. Honestly, the quote you mentioned and everything surrounding that, it sounds so ridiculous to me. Like, we've run out of real problems, quick, THINK OF SOMETHING. There are women in the world who are actually living in terrible conditions, and women like t…
/r/MensRights13/01/12 09:27 PM
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I understand your frustration, but it's entirely possible that the article really didn't meet the standards for a Wikipedia entry. From this page: Simply too soon to assess the significance of the event and the danger that Wikipedia is being used as a site for memorialization. Its an understandable impulse, but not the role of an encyclopedia. I think part of the problem is that a lot of people speaking against the deletion were using emotional arguments, and their sources were doing the same. I…
/r/MensRights13/01/12 09:19 PM
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Honestly I think she'd be made fun of because homophobia is still rampant. It isn't that she's dressing like a guy, it is that she's dressing in the traditional known lesbian-butch style. Isn't that kind of the same as why men who dress in drag are made fun of though? Because it's assumed they're "being gay?" The physique matters though - attractive women can wear whatever they want and it's accepted. Attractive men cannot really do the same. That's a good point, I have to agree with you on that…
/r/MensRights13/01/12 09:02 PM
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I don't think they own very much anyway. They were both living off disability, and it seems everyone involved may have some level of mental disability. I hope they both spend the rest of their lives in prison, thinking about what they did.
/r/MensRights13/01/12 08:57 PM
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It's not Wikipedia itself doing anything though. Wikipedia is entirely a community volunteer effort. We are free to go there and edit as needed, within the rules.
/r/MensRights13/01/12 08:55 PM
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What are we looking for?
/r/MensRights13/01/12 08:51 PM
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Ah, okay.
/r/MensRights13/01/12 08:45 PM
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I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree. The picture you linked is somewhere between androgynous and feminine(edit: to clarify, the second one didn't work for me). To me it's clear that when women emulate "masculine" characteristics beyond just dress, they're usually ridiculed, and the reverse is also true. It's possible I feel this way because I've seen it myself in real life many times, or maybe the situation differs greatly between where you live and I live. I don't think the first …
/r/MensRights13/01/12 08:44 PM
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We can curb it somewhat, but unfortunately we can't eliminate it any more than we can eliminate any other crime. A lot of people really believe that these types of ad campaigns are paving the road to a world without rape, like that's actually ever going to happen.
/r/MensRights13/01/12 08:39 PM
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And if OP had brought that up, maybe someone would have listened. As it was, OP presented an incomplete study(as you pointed out) and misinterpreted it.
/r/MensRights13/01/12 08:37 PM
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When women are purposely trying to imitate the way men are "supposed" look, in the way drag queens are trying to imitate the way women are "supposed" to look, I've seen them ridiculed. I'm not talking about things that are accepted in mainstream fashion which in the past were only worn by males. Do you see the difference between this woman and this one? Second one is the top image result of your search.
/r/MensRights13/01/12 08:34 PM
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No one said there isn't. I'm pretty sure I've seen guys dressing as women called faggots pretty by at least one person pretty much anytime I've encountered it. I'm not talking about trans people, that's your assumption.
/r/MensRights13/01/12 08:29 PM
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Right, but OP didn't even mention that in the thread he or she linked. I was commenting on what was said.
/r/MensRights13/01/12 08:17 PM
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No need to apologize, thanks!
/r/MensRights13/01/12 08:14 PM
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I'm pretty sure both are ridiculed by the majority of society.
/r/MensRights13/01/12 08:11 PM
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It's possible the people involved all have some level of mental disabilities. Not sure if it was the article in the OP or another article I read that said the husband and wife were both living off disability.
/r/MensRights13/01/12 08:09 PM
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Please don't think I disagree with your general opinion, because I don't. But from what I can see you did misinterpret the numbers. You can't make those kinds of mistakes and expect people to take you seriously. Not that it matters because TwoX is not a political or feminist subreddit, but I've had people there support me in the idea that men are not the only ones responsible for "stopping rape" and that men are victims as well.
/r/MensRights13/01/12 07:35 PM
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I'm honestly completely against capital punishment, but reading the article all I could think is that people like that do not deserve to live in this world. I don't see how there could ever be any chance of rehabilitation for people that evil.
/r/MensRights13/01/12 07:23 PM
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Me :P
/r/MensRights13/01/12 06:40 PM
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See, that one I don't think is as bad, and it wouldn't be bad at all if there was a female-targeting counterpart. I'm seeing that kind of asshole behavior from young men and women all the time. When I was 18-21, it was just considered being a dick to leave your friend behind with strangers or shady people when they're drunk, regardless of gender. Sure, it wasn't our responsibility, but we looked after reach other because we cared. Now I see people just leaving their friends behind without giving…
/r/MensRights13/01/12 05:57 PM
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Yeah, because men who dress as women are never made fun of or put down in any way. No, sir.
/r/MensRights13/01/12 05:47 PM
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That's what I always think when I see these ads. Like, do they think someone is going to see this and be like, "OH MY GOD, I WAS WRONG ABOUT RAPE ALL THESE YEARS!"
/r/MensRights13/01/12 05:45 PM
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Thank you for clarifying.
/r/MensRights13/01/12 05:37 PM
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How could that be achieved, on both ends(better jobs and crappier jobs)?
/r/MensRights13/01/12 05:33 PM
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I don't get it. Did I give the impression somewhere that I support quotas? I see how quotas can be interpreted as "a vagina entitles you to _____," but still I feel that's a little separate from what was being discussed(and I do not support quotas myself). Logically though, without quotas you wouldn't even be able to enforce gender equality in shitty jobs.
/r/MensRights13/01/12 05:24 PM
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It's hard, because I feel sometimes even saying things "gently" doesn't go over well. The first time I tried over here, I got some pretty sick messages, but the ones lately have been at least a little more tame and not as often. I just don't want to offend anyone or make them feel like I am coming into their space to tell them what to believe or saying "not all feminists/women are like that," if that makes sense.
/r/MensRights13/01/12 05:22 PM
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It's so difficult. Anytime anyone tries to do this, they are attacked SO HARD by feminists that it's just impossible. Remember that ad campaign recently that pretty much said, don't be a drink idiot, don't leave your friends alone when they're drunk either and the feminist backlash against it? It was almost immediately pulled. I couldn't get the original article to load, but here's a reproduction of a recent article about it: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/page/265059_Keli_Goff-_Why_Are_Feminis…
/r/MensRights13/01/12 05:18 PM
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The only way for men to get custody more often after divorce cases which end with one parent getting custody is for women to get custody less often. Since women get custody more than 50% of the time, and being that getting it 50% of the time would be equal, a person wanting equality actually has to want women to get custody less often than they do now. Absolutely. My thinking is that the way to provide equality here wouldn't be to enforce some kind of 50/50 split in custody and keep up a quota, …
/r/MensRights13/01/12 05:13 PM
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The reason for this is that I'd imagine marriage records are public. They are still legally married. If they release her name, they would pretty much be releasing the victim's name, which wouldn't be fair to him. Because the victim has no real legal ties to the boyfriend, they can somewhat safely release his name without damage to the victim. Edit: Also, I hope they both get the maximum and fucking burn in hell. That was one of the worst things I've ever read.
/r/MensRights13/01/12 05:05 PM
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I'm not sure how the feminist position comes into play here, or that that's even really the feminist position(I've never heard it that way anyway). Did you have the impression that I was supporting the idea that a vagina entitles you to a better job? Either way, if we are going to say that the men in top positions earned being there, then at the same time we can say that people in lower positions "earned" being there. Those men at the top are usually more educated or hard working than the men at…
/r/MensRights13/01/12 05:03 PM
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Similarly you can't force men out of high paying positions to male space for women I agree with you. I've never seen anyone advocating that myself... literally forcing men out of positions they earned? That would be a pretty radical view the disproportionate male deaths are often from industrial accidents in heavy manufacturing Obviously accidents happen and it's unavoidable in some cases, but I'd assume that at least something could be done other than saying women should take a proportionate am…
/r/MensRights13/01/12 04:45 PM
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Obviously we'll always need those. I just meant I don't have to personally want to be a janitor to not want men to disproportionately get shitty jobs and all the other things mentioned. For what it's worth, "cleaning ladies" are way more commonly used in my area in office buildings and the like than janitors, and I don't think that's what he was referring to when he mentioned higher death rates on the job. Do janitors and mechanics have higher death rates? I agree about soldiers, I think most wo…
/r/MensRights13/01/12 04:41 PM
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I would mark this as NSFW due to the bloody images/penis pictures.
/r/MensRights13/01/12 03:56 PM
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Just because a lot of men have shitty jobs and are unfairly convicted etc., doesn't mean she has to want that for herself or all women to want equality. It should be possible to improve things for men without making things worse for women. It doesn't have to be that one gender consistently gets the shit end of the stick, even if that's how it's been up until now. I'd say most of us(talking about women here) probably don't want to automatically have a lower chance of getting custody, or to be for…
/r/MensRights13/01/12 03:47 PM
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The victim, a 15-year-old girl, says her relationship with Peters began when she went to a modeling website, hoping to get a free portfolio. She says her profile on the modeling website says she is 15 in two separate locations. http://www2.nbc17.com/news/2012/jan/12/3/teenager-santa-john-case-speaks-out-ar-1808926/ Edit, and just to clarify, he initiated contact: She says Peters contacted her after reading her profile, and within the course of one email conversation on Facebook, he began to sugg…
/r/MensRights13/01/12 03:39 PM
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First of all, 15 year old is a girl. Secondly, he sent her nude photos and asked for nude photos from her. This should be okay? Would it be okay for a grown ass woman to do that to a 15 year old boy? NO.
/r/MensRights13/01/12 03:30 PM
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Thanks for saying this. I'm a woman and I wanted to say the same thing, but didn't think it would go over well. I want true equality for everyone, and I don't expect special treatment from anyone just because I have a vagina. It seems that a lot of the time around here all women are equated with modern feminists, which isn't just inaccurate but also unfair.
/r/MensRights13/01/12 03:21 PM
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I'm not your boss so I cannot tell you why you make less. Maybe it's something to bring up to his/her attention? If you are really as large of an asset to the company as you claim to be, I'm sure they'd be willing to compromise with you. Oh, I did bring it to their attention. Basically, they know I can't get a job anywhere else. They gave me a small raise to shut me up about it, but that doesn't help pay my medical bills. They also gave me a small(couple hundred dollars) bonus because I was work…
/r/MensRights13/01/12 02:42 PM
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Yep, my boyfriend is the same way. He does it for everyone. When we go out with friends, he's always the one holding the door while everyone walks in or out, it's just a habit. I always thought he was just being nice, because I do the same thing. When he told me girls had told him off for doing it, I was shocked. How much of a bitch can you be?
/r/MensRights13/01/12 02:33 PM
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Very true, some even take it to an extreme. I've heard guys say they've gotten dirty looks or even gotten told off for holding the door open for a woman.
/r/MensRights13/01/12 03:53 AM
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Thank you very much for the video. The only thing that I guess leaves me confused is that there seem to be conflicting idea about the wage gap within the MRM. On one hand, some say it doesn't exist at all. Then others say it's explained by lifestyle choices etc., as implied in the video, which makes a lot more sense to me. I think I'm going to go ahead and buy the Kindle edition of the book.
/r/MensRights13/01/12 12:54 AM
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I guess I was thinking of it from the perspective of women couldn't even go to college before, if there is some kind of wage gap, it's kind of negligible. I mean, yeah, I make less money than the guys at my job. But the fact that I went to college and am even able to work in a male dominated field is enough progress that how can I complain about a small wage gap, if one does exist?
/r/MensRights12/01/12 11:53 PM
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I understand. Where do you live? This attitide seems pretty pervasive in western society.
/r/MensRights12/01/12 11:24 PM
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No worries, I got what you meant. After thinking about it, it kind of feels like even if there is a wage gap it's not the most important thing. Men and women have equal access to education and to mostly the same jobs, there's really no way to make it so everything is perfectly fair, but that doesn't mean it's completely fucked up.
/r/MensRights12/01/12 11:23 PM
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I wasn't talking about feminism or men forcing their wives not to work. At least where I live, there is a very real social stigma about your wife having a shitty job if you "can't provide." For some people, if you're married and yout wife works at all you are a failure. I am not even married and my family basically implies my boyfriend should be supporting me, even though I have two college degrees and veru obviously want to work. If you've never experienced it, great, but a lot of men deal with…
/r/MensRights12/01/12 11:18 PM
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Why do you think more specific studies like that haven't been done? Would it just be too difficult?
/r/MensRights12/01/12 11:10 PM
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I don't think if there is a wage gap it's automatically attributable to hating women, I just haven't seen a study that shows proof either way in a way that made sense.
/r/MensRights12/01/12 11:05 PM
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You don't think men in our society are unfairly expected to "take care" of their women and are seen as failures if they can't?
/r/MensRights12/01/12 11:03 PM
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Thanks for responding! It's weird, because I've never known women who were any of the majors(edit: not any of them, I meant just the weird ones) listed. I think some of those weren't even offered at my college. I don't think I made my question that clear. What I meant was, I'd be interested to see how it works out when everything else is the same. I guess part of it is that I work the most out of everyone on my team, even though I am officially part time, so they can avoid giving me benefits. I …
/r/MensRights12/01/12 10:04 PM
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I wasn't talking about this specific case, which I agree is completely shady. But it seemed like you were generalizing. A lot of people over there are talking about their personal experiences with staying around their rapists, it doesn't make them maroons IMO. I agree with you that a disproportionate amount of girls have "rape" stories, and even beyond that so many girls have "almost raped" stories that they just readily share at the drop of a hat, which to me is just insulting. I had a girl tel…
/r/MensRights12/01/12 08:59 PM
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That's somewhat understandable, if someone was actually falsely accused of rape. I guess when the people were completely made up and it seems like an immature teenage fabrication vs. a woman trying to ruin a man's life, I didn't get the connection. This seems like a great case of the law actually working, and no real injustice was committed.
/r/MensRights12/01/12 08:35 PM
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If you're in a situation where your rapist has some kind of hold over you, you may go on as if nothing happened. This is regardless of the genders of the rapist and the victim. Do you think, for example, that most kids who are victims of incest instantly leave home? Likewise, sometimes you are raped by someone close to you, and you internalize that you were asking for it to the point where you justify continuing on like nothing happened. Otherwise it would be your fault for shaking things up. Ra…
/r/MensRights12/01/12 08:28 PM
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I hope this doesn't offend anyone, but I'm trying to understand the value of these kinds of studies and what makes a "good" study. To me, it intuitively would make sense to compare across the same majors, between people who make the same life choices(like, leaving out that some of the women will take maternity leave, since many women won't). Wouldn't it be more useful to see if there is any kind of gap between men and women, in the same major, leaving out the women who take maternity leave, or t…
/r/MensRights12/01/12 08:17 PM
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She was arrested and they are talking about getting the money spent on the search back from her, and no one else was charged with anything. The two guys who could have been affected were questioned and let go pretty quickly. People lie every day, why is this a men's rights issue?
/r/MensRights12/01/12 08:06 PM
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I think that reference was embarrassing anyway. I dislike SRS, but if anything they were helping.
/r/MensRights12/01/12 08:00 PM
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Yep, that's what I mentioned in my edit. I thought I was quick about the edit, but not quick enough!
/r/MensRights12/01/12 07:29 PM
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I think there are a lot of factors that affect this. Part of it must be, just for example, men not wanting their wives to take such jobs because of how society would view that. "Your wife has to work in shit? You must be a loser." It's also hard for women to work in male dominated fields. I work in IT and have had some pretty shitty situations, and these are all college educated and generally nice guys. It's really a cakewalk compared to some stories I've heard. I imagine it would probably be at…
/r/MensRights12/01/12 07:23 PM
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I'm really sorry for what you're going through, OP. I would suggest cross-posting this to a bigger subreddit. While this is definitely a men's rights issue, you will have a lot more people reading it if you post a somewhat condensed version asking for help somewhere like AskReddit. The more advice you can get right now, the better.
/r/MensRights12/01/12 07:14 PM
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1) Get this on the news I really don't see any other way. OP has already stated that lawyers have told him they will not take this kind of case on contingency, and he probably won't be able to afford the legal battle any other way. If this gets media attention, that's the only way he has a chance. It could result in someone either paying for his lawyer, or a lawyer being willing to do it if it gets big enough.
/r/MensRights12/01/12 07:07 PM
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Thanks, that makes some sense.
/r/MensRights12/01/12 11:09 AM
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he feels that the cause is a lack of control. This upset me, as it implies that all men are capable of and (more frighteningly) willing to rape and only refrain because of the consequences. Honestly, that is a pretty crazy claim. I'd wonder why he personally feels like that, and it would really make me uncomfortable for someone I'm dating to say that. Why would I want to be with a man who (at any point) entertained the thought of raping me, if even for a moment. Why would you? Would you be with …
/r/MensRights12/01/12 03:47 AM
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I didn't even think of it like that. That's borderline abusive.
/r/MensRights12/01/12 03:47 AM
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Why are there more women wanting "no men" vs. men wanting "no women"? I know it's more rare, but I've seen this when looking for rooms by my old college. Just because it was a house of all guys, and they really didn't want a female roommate. I thought that was reasonable, I think people should be able to live with whoever they want for whatever reason. If it's not a shared area(like the one in the OP seems to be), that would be fucked up though.
/r/MensRights12/01/12 03:43 AM
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I think it depends on the girl, but I am probably the messiest person I know. It drives my boyfriend mad, I think he'd say the same thing about the blood stain -- I don't even understand some of the shit I've gotten on stuff. I see stains on the kitchen floor after spending like 3 minutes in it and I have no idea what happened. I leave random shit everywhere. He's found my keys in the bathtub. If I don't constantly purposely clean up after myself, the apartment becomes a complete disaster.
/r/MensRights12/01/12 03:41 AM
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I don't think all guys are like this, but I've seen the opposite. My mom rented out two rooms to two guys recently. Both left the rooms completely trashed to shit after abruptly deciding to move out, and she'd gone through a lot of trouble to remodel them and get them looking as nice as possible. I felt sooo bad for her. She now has two women renting the rooms, and they are kept in wonderful condition(thought one is bitchy about paying her rent). So it seems to just vary from person to person.
/r/MensRights12/01/12 03:39 AM
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Probably their first language isn't English. I saw this all the time when looking for apartments in Miami.
/r/MensRights12/01/12 03:37 AM
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That makes sense. I've never heard someone say "male slut shaming," but really that's exactly what it is. It's somehow inherently bad for a man to have sexual needs, and even worse if he tries to fulfill those needs.
/r/MensRights12/01/12 03:31 AM
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It's quite obviously sexism, just a kind I had never seen before to that extent. Something so innocuous as a fleshlight apparently automatically makes a guy some kind of monster to some women, even when they use something that's pretty much the same thing. It seems beyond sexism to me. Or put another way, some people like to say "men aren't called sluts", and that's generally true.. but it's also true to say "women aren't called creeps". Each is an unfair of shaming though. That's a really good …
/r/MensRights12/01/12 03:30 AM
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Thanks, I'm really glad you mentioned it, because I took from the article that it was like that in US, not just CT, which was obviously wrong. My reading comprehension sometimes fails.
/r/MensRights12/01/12 03:28 AM
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I ask if she has any other mobile devices that her email may be linked to. She says no. So I unlock her account for the 5th or 6th time at this point At this point I started visibly twitching. I JUST CAN'T. I love the happy ending, it's so rare with these kinds of stories. Fucking delicious.
/r/MensRights12/01/12 02:15 AM
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You see it with things like masturbation and sex toys - where "him" doing it is creepy, disgusting, and objectifies women, but "her" doing it is empowered and taking control of her own sexuality! You know, I'm a woman, and I was only recently exposed to this idea(maybe because I don't do it myself). I found it completely confusing. Like, there are actual women who use vibrators, but call fleshlights creepy. I don't understand how they can reconcile those two things in their minds. I don't really…
/r/MensRights12/01/12 02:01 AM
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Hmm... but the article says that is not allowed. Perhaps they are only talking about CT in the article?
/r/MensRights12/01/12 01:55 AM
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I have absolutely no idea how you had the patience to sort through all those horrible comments and analyze them.
/r/MensRights12/01/12 12:58 AM
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No, not at all.
/r/MensRights12/01/12 12:54 AM
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I honestly ended up not finding anything that I would define as "good." There are studies going both ways, but most either seem to be done by someone who has an agenda OR they use shoddy methodology.
/r/MensRights12/01/12 12:49 AM
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All good points, definitely things to consider.
/r/MensRights11/01/12 09:27 PM
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Don't know if you'd see the same thing with prison rape, but then again I don't see how it can hurt. I don't think it would hurt, but I just don't see how it helps. As I said elsewhere, the porn has been allowed thus far. And we all know prison rape is a huge, huge problem. I mean, I guess it could get worse if they take the porn away, but how much worse can it realistically get?
/r/MensRights11/01/12 09:12 PM
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Dude, that doesn't make any fucking sense. Sorry. Do you think there is someone out there saying, "Damn, I feel like raping today. But I have porn, so no."
/r/MensRights11/01/12 08:42 PM
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I understand that those questions probably must come up in court, for example. But I don't see the point of asking someone that outside of court, or a police station, or some other kind of legal arena where a determination of the circumstance is being made. If someone told you, "This guy broke my fucking jaw," you wouldn't say, "Oh yeah, what'd you do to piss him off?" It's just rude.
/r/MensRights11/01/12 08:30 PM
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Porn is an alternative to sex/rape. No offense, but are you trolling? It sounds like you're implying that the only thing stopping people from going out and raping everyone is porn. That doesn't make any sense. Like, if I say Stevia is an alternative sugar, I'm implying I want sugar but I'm using Stevia as an alternative for whatever reason(right now, because I'm avoiding carbs). I don't think all people who watch porn actually want to rape.
/r/MensRights11/01/12 08:27 PM
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Porn is an alternative to sex/rape. No offense, but are you trolling? It sounds like you're implying that the only thing stopping people from going out and raping everyone is porn. That doesn't make any sense. Like, if I say Stevia is an alternative sugar, I'm implying I want sugar but I'm using Stevia as an alternative for whatever reason(right now, because I'm avoiding carbs). I don't think all people who watch porn actually want to rape.
/r/MensRights11/01/12 08:27 PM
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That doesn't make any sense. That's almost like an argument against porn. If masturbating diminished sexual appetite, that would be a problem. Men in relationships often still masturbate all the time, but they still want sex with their wives or girlfriends. Would you say they don't?
/r/MensRights11/01/12 08:19 PM
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TIL. Never heard that on any of the feminist sites I frequent, that doesn't even make any logical sense. Makes me feel embarrassed that I ever called myself a feminist.
/r/MensRights11/01/12 08:11 PM
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I agree. It seems like to a lot of feminists you can't be an MRA without being a misogynist, and it seems like a lot of MRAs feel all feminists are misandrist. Also, why does misandrist come up as a typo in my browser, but misogynist doesn't? ಠ_ಠ
/r/MensRights11/01/12 08:07 PM
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That's understandable. I feel that way about MRM stuff sometimes, especially when I'm personally attacked for pretty much no reason. But when facts are staring you in the face and they affect so many people, it's worth it to put up with the bad stuff(most of the time at least).
/r/MensRights11/01/12 08:01 PM
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Not commendable, just doing my duty as a human being to educate myself!
/r/MensRights11/01/12 08:00 PM
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Where are you?
/r/MensRights11/01/12 07:55 PM
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Absolutely! I think that's true of any study, regardless of what it's trying to prove. I'm skeptical by nature, but when I see a cross in the header of a website where I'm supposed to be reading a scientific study, it's a little hard to take it seriously at all. It sucks because if something is factually correct it shouldn't matter where it's coming from, but I just can't take it seriously.
/r/MensRights11/01/12 07:54 PM
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Yep, definitely noticed that. Unfortunately I can't look too much more into it until later because I am on a work laptop, and I think googling "pornography and rape" is bad enough for my internet logs for one day lol
/r/MensRights11/01/12 07:51 PM
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Yeah, I first looked for the first thing you mentioned, and admittedly some of the ones saying "PORN BAD!" were on Christian websites, but not all. Honestly, I am by no means an expert, so for someone like me looking at all the information can be a little overwhelming.
/r/MensRights11/01/12 07:48 PM
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I googled some this morning and found a bunch, the problem is I found studies saying the opposite too. My brain was like, WHAT DO I BELIEVE!?
/r/MensRights11/01/12 07:42 PM
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I found conflicting studies on that. Some of them say it actually increases sexual aggression. I honestly wasn't able to form an opinion either way.
/r/MensRights11/01/12 06:54 PM
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My point is there is no tangible evidence that porn decreases rape. Prison rape is a huge problem, and the porn mags have been there this whole time.
/r/MensRights11/01/12 06:49 PM
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I found your edit a little condescending. First of all, nothing about this study implies sexism or is anti-male in any way. So what am I saying here that is at all disagreeable? As I said, I think this study would actually be useful to MRAs, as it shows differences in career advancement by gender without citing sexism as the reason. But the reactionary move is to see anything mentioning any kind of wage gap as an affront on males. It's not. There may be differences between men and women, that's …
/r/MensRights11/01/12 06:21 PM
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What I liked about this study is that it specifically compared people in the same fields, and didn't frame it as trying to prove/disprove some kind of sexism. I found this link about the CONSAD study informative, though I understand that as an MRA it may be hard to read since it's all feminist and crying sexism. I think the analysis of the problems with it is valid though. The single largest factor that CONSAD found “explained” the wage gap is the difference in hours worked. Since women are more…
/r/MensRights11/01/12 06:06 PM
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Please do, I know many of us would appreciate it. I just spent some time reading over the study, and it made sense to me, but I am by no means an expert. I do feel that at least some of the downvoting is reactionary, because the post was basically instantly downvoted. There's no way anyone had a time to really look at the study that fast, you know?
/r/MensRights11/01/12 05:23 PM
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Sure it's allowed, but is it worth anything when it pretty much gets downvoted into oblivion? I would think this study would actually be useful to MRAs, it's discussing the differences between men and women in terms of job advancement without crying sexism, yet it has a good amount of downvotes and most of the comments are downvoted as well.
/r/MensRights11/01/12 05:04 PM
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Why would they be able to keep their jobs at all if they were shitty workers? I'd imagine if everything I did was riddled with mistakes, I'd get fired, and my job isn't even that important. Do MBAs usually become draftsmen? Did you read the article? I feel that most people are not reading the study/article, but are casting it aside because they feel it implies that the reason is sexism. If you read it, that is not the implied reason. It's providing reasons for this, and the goal seems to be to s…
/r/MensRights11/01/12 05:01 PM
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You're definitely entitled to your opinion, and I respect that you don't think this study is significant. But do you really not think this is a significant difference? But among women Job Hoppers, compensation growth was $53,472 less than women Stayers who were still with their first employer.
/r/MensRights11/01/12 04:02 PM
1

Oh god, the rage. I hate that shit.
/r/MensRights11/01/12 03:46 PM
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What about the info on page 10 though? Why is it that men have an advantage with respect to salary growth when they pick up and start somewhere new while women’s compensation grows faster when they remain where they have already proven their worth? Are men able to translate their human capital into greater pay for the potential they bring to the table, for their possible future achievements, whereas women must first demonstrate their abilities, achieving greater compensation growth only when the…
/r/MensRights11/01/12 03:44 PM
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I do think that SOME of it can be attributed to lack of negotiating or poor negotiation skills. I do agree with this. I can see this in my own life, I'm a lot less aggressive and assertive than my male friends when it comes to this. I also feel there is at least a little truth that to a certain extent men don't even have to ask, at least in male dominated fields... so when they do ask, the rewards are bigger(especially when they are better at negotiating and probably negotiated higher starting s…
/r/MensRights11/01/12 03:27 PM
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Absolutely, that is fucked up. I was just focusing on the inmates as they were the main ones being spoken about in the article. The point is everyone loses when women can do both and men can only do one. It creates an unfair disadvantage for some inmates, and it obviously puts male prison guards at a distinct disadvantage. If they are going to only allow women to be prison guards in women's prisons, the same standard should apply to men's prisons. I'm pretty sure this would be less of a problem …
/r/MensRights11/01/12 03:17 PM
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My understanding is that porn already is allowed, and a ban is proposed. So I don't really understand how allowing it would change things, if the magazines have already been allowed up until now and prison rape is still a huge problem.
/r/MensRights11/01/12 03:14 PM
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Ooh, I didn't see the download link, thanks for mentioning that. I saw $25 and my brain automatically shut down the idea of ever reading it, haha.
/r/MensRights11/01/12 03:12 PM
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I guess I was speaking with prison in mind since I had just been reading about it... I really feel it's unlikely that the straight men who rape in prison do so purely for sexual gratification.
/r/MensRights11/01/12 03:06 PM
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There's a question mark, I was asking your opinion on that part of the article.
/r/MensRights11/01/12 02:59 PM
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Do you think it would be more valuable to submit the article which gives a broader idea? Or would that probably just get downvoted too? I think that because the idea that women are not as proactive or make different decisions and that's why they are behind is pretty widely accepted, it should be at least somewhat important that a study that contradicts that gets some attention.
/r/MensRights11/01/12 02:55 PM
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Edit: Sorry, I read what you said too quickly and thought you were talking about the report in the OP. Still, shouldn't we treat all studies with the same level of skepticism? Men benefited more from adopting proactive strategies. (ie, when women do the same thing, men get more of the benefits) When women did all the things they have been told will help them get ahead—using the same tactics as men—they still advanced less than their male counterparts and had slower pay growth. (again, using the …
/r/MensRights11/01/12 02:54 PM
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I read an article about this the other day. They tracked graduates from the same programs(I want to say MBA programs) and they found that the women asked for raises as often as the men, but were still behind the men years later, having made the same life decisions, going to the same types of companies, asking for raises, etc. Edit: I'm trying to find the article, obviously it's not fair to make these claims based off a study description that no one is going to pay $25 to buy. Edit again: here's …
/r/MensRights11/01/12 02:49 PM
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Okay, I'll phrase it differently: I believe it's usually about power, and not sexual release. I really find it hard to believe that prison rapes would decline if there were more porn freely available to inmates. There are other reasons why they rape apart from sexual release.
/r/MensRights11/01/12 02:37 PM
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If I remember correctly, there was a study done that compared availability of pornography with occurrence of rape, and it showed that when pornography was more readily accessible in an area, rapes were less common. Do you have a link to that study? I would be really interested in reading into this more. Edit: never mind, googled, seems there are a few studies on this, just searching for the phrase pornography and rape(though not all support the idea you mentioned, still interesting reading). Tha…
/r/MensRights11/01/12 02:36 PM
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Both of these incidents highlight a new factor in the correctional environment: the female prison guard. In many institutions, women are steadily replacing men because prisons prefer to hire guards without criminal records and with some education beyond high school—both of which favor female applicants. Female guards have another virtue: In most jurisdictions, they can legally oversee housing units for both male and female inmates, whereas men often are permitted to guard and conduct pat-searche…
/r/MensRights11/01/12 02:20 PM
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I think it would be lost in a non-MRA context.
/r/MensRights11/01/12 02:03 PM
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It's okay, just caught me off guard. Gotta learn to read the article first and read for context. The internet has messed up my attention span, too much skimming!
/r/MensRights11/01/12 01:48 PM
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A person is not responsible for being a victim of a crime, but is responsible for managing one's risks of being a victim. This is true, at least for adults. I think what bothers people is openly telling people who have been victims that it could have somehow been prevented. Example, when a man is raped, most people don't take it seriously. People will ask how it could have happened, what was he doing that led him to be raped, etc. While these may seem like valid questions, and maybe he was doing…
/r/MensRights11/01/12 01:36 PM
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The thing is that most people would feel it's in poor taste to say that to a victim, even if it's true. I saw someone say that after she was raped and told her mother, the first thing her mom asked was, "Where were you? What were you wearing?" Even if it's relevant, maybe it would have been nicer for the mom to hug her teenage daughter who just got raped and offer to take her to get cleaned up, tested, etc. first? While it's true that you can put yourself in a shitty situation, imagine how bad i…
/r/MensRights11/01/12 01:34 PM
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Okay, that seriously scared the shit out of me. I thought it was present day and I was like, wtf is going on?
/r/MensRights11/01/12 01:28 PM
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I think a lot of the time those women don't even end up using their degrees, not that having a degree is even worth anything now. It would be nice, but hard to enforce because someone with several years in the workforce still usually earns more than someone with 0 experience and a degree.
/r/MensRights11/01/12 12:41 PM
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It really is a shame. I totally blame the internet, we are all accustomed to getting the information we want in one click, and many just won't go beyond that.
/r/MensRights11/01/12 12:21 PM
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There are tons of great posts here that aren't cat pics...
/r/MensRights11/01/12 12:19 PM
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Hey, thanks for telling me what I believe in. :)
/r/MensRights11/01/12 12:17 PM
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They are not too long for me personally, I have watched and rewatched a ton in the last few days. I just think if the information was more accessible to more people it'd be good for everyone. Like maybe a blog post with a summary of each video, paraphrasing the main points. I think what she is saying is so important that I would want more people to hear it, and I think a lot of people see the length and automatically close it unfortunately.
/r/MensRights11/01/12 04:02 AM
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I agree completely, well said. Makes me sad to see the SRS disclaimer, like you have to feel guilty in your own community... bullies.
/r/MensRights11/01/12 03:57 AM
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Love her. Only wish her vids were a little shorter, I think more people would watch(and learn).
/r/MensRights11/01/12 03:51 AM
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Do you think posting a purposely confusing wall of text in a non-MRA subreddit will do anything other than confuse people and give them a shitty, non-serious image of what some MRAs waste their time doing? Seriously, it must have taken time to gather those links. Imagine if OP used that energy on something other than an elaborate "feminists are bad" post.
/r/MensRights11/01/12 03:33 AM
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TwoX doesn't speak for all feminists, don't expect an "official" feminist answer there as most people there are not feminist.
/r/MensRights09/01/12 12:10 PM
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Where did I claim that?
/r/MensRights05/01/12 12:03 PM
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The creepiest part of the video is the clip running in the background of her talking and smiling in a prison jumpsuit. No remorse. I don't believe in the death penalty, but I don't see how anything else would be justice.
/r/MensRights05/01/12 03:26 AM
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What I don't get is how any of those people got the idea that she is doing anything to protect her kids. Protect them from what? I mean, they are actually using the word "protect," to describe her basically wanting to steal the kids for absolutely no reason. What is wrong with people?
/r/MensRights05/01/12 03:13 AM
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What the fuck?
/r/MensRights05/01/12 03:07 AM
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I know. I'm referring to the recent study that was very popular in MRA areas that discovered that women are, by absolute numbers, the largest perpetrators of child abuse. Unless there is going to be some huge change in the number of women who are caregivers and how trusted they are around children, I'd say it's a pretty important issue.
/r/MensRights05/01/12 03:03 AM
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That's actually a great idea, I'm surprised no one has done that.
/r/MensRights05/01/12 03:00 AM
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For the 100th time, the comparison between this and the Muslim thing is invalid IMO. So... are you saying this is a problem because the campaign will be less effective? Or it's a problem because it's unfairly portraying an entire group as criminals? Both. It's ineffective because it's targeting an entire group as if they are all criminals, when they're not. So not only is it making a sweeping generalization, it's not going to accomplish anything but what it has accomplish so far as evidenced by …
/r/MensRights04/01/12 09:35 PM
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I think there are a number of problems with the campaign. It's not that it's pointless because you have to get them as kids, but like I said, because it seems to just be targeting adult males... and most of them aren't rapists. And the ones who are, what are these ads going to do against them? The original comment was Muslims can stop suicide bombings or whatever, and it just made me think, well, they kind of can to some extent, with outreach programs... and as I said elsewhere, this model has w…
/r/MensRights04/01/12 09:21 PM
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I completely understand, and agree. I was not talking about men specifically, again, I was referencing that both genders should be taught to respect others. I do not think all people who are rapists have been molested/raped themselves(please correct me if I'm wrong), and I was talking in the context of what was brought up. If anything can be done to prevent rape in the context of reaching the perpetrator, I think it would be by 1) identifying victims at a young age, getting them the help they ne…
/r/MensRights04/01/12 09:12 PM
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Many of the women in r/twox are actually for Men's Rights and are just turned off by the hostility shown in this group. They could be pretty good allies for a few of our issues. Bingo.
/r/MensRights04/01/12 09:07 PM
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You think there is something wrong with the idea of teaching kids to respect others? I'm not saying all people who are rapists are so because of that, but I do think some people do not understand boundaries, and it would help if children were taught from a young age to respect other people's boundaries. Idk why I came back here. Here I am saying I think this campaign is stupid, I'm both here and on TwoX stating that it's ignoring that males are victims, and yet I am getting responses like I'm go…
/r/MensRights04/01/12 09:04 PM
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I'm just going to go ahead and say I don't think the comparison is valid. I think you're right that the implication of this campaign is men can stop rape, and it is aimed at adult males. Which as I said elsewhere is stupid, most men are not rapists and the ones who are will be unaffected by this campaign. Why not just within the community in general? Going back to the analogy, should the male community set up activities for boys they identified as at risk for becoming rapists? (lol) Going back t…
/r/MensRights04/01/12 09:01 PM
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I didn't say it was their responsibility. I meant that in theory, if there were groups within the Muslim community that identified kids that were at risk to become suicide bombers and organized activities and groups for them to partake in that were community-oriented but not crazy, it might help. Kind of like the idea behind after school clubs in shitty areas to keep kids from joining gangs. That does help. That's pretty much completely unrelated to this ad campaign though, which I think is pret…
/r/MensRights04/01/12 08:50 PM
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Yeah, that's the whole point. If kids grow up seeing more things that encourage them to not put what they want before the rights of others, they're less likely to infringe on another person's rights/personal space. I still think this campaign isn't going to do jack shit, since it appears to be aimed at adult males, most of whom aren't rapists. Actual rapists aren't going to see it and be like, "Damn y'all, I didn't think about it like that before! Better stop the rapin'." A better way would be t…
/r/MensRights04/01/12 08:41 PM
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If you get to the children before they're brainwashed/indoctrinated, wouldn't that help stop it...?
/r/MensRights04/01/12 08:32 PM
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Yeah, and then people wonder why some of us are defensive about MRAs... it's shit like this.
/r/MensRights04/01/12 08:24 PM
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Did you ignore the more recent post about the same thing on purpose, since it has several of us on there pointing out/agreeing that the campaign should include more than just men as perpetrators?
/r/MensRights04/01/12 08:16 PM
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gendercidal Learned a new word today, upvote for you! Edit: Did this sound sarcastic? I was being sincere, did not know this was a thing. :(
/r/MensRights02/01/12 05:23 AM
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I understand. I should have been more clear. I wasnt agreeing with him, I was just saying that this is an issur, just not in the way he framed it if that makes sense. Sorry for typos, im on a phone.
/r/MensRights24/12/11 12:43 AM
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I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about anal sex and the article you posted. Maybe I misinterpreted. I understand what male rape is and that it exists and that many people ignore it. I don't understand why it has to be that because men are pressured to perform, we should completely ignore a sexual "trend" that causes women bodily injury. Isn't that the same logic feminists use to say we should ignore men's rights issues? Since it happens to women more, let's ignore when it happens to men?
/r/MensRights23/12/11 08:44 PM
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Just so you know, I've seen it said time and again that every post on reddit gets automatic downvotes. The only number that is accurate is the difference between the upvotes and downvotes. So right now, being at 44/20, the only number that is accurate is that you have 24 upvotes. This could mean you have 24 upvotes and zero downvotes, 28 upvotes and 4 downvotes, or any other combination. The numbers you see, in this case 44/20, are not real.
/r/MensRights23/12/11 08:37 PM
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I'm not dumbing down women, but human relationships are not as simple as saying one person holds all the chips and that something like saying no has no effect. I was sharing my own experience that in recent years, there has been a lot more pressure on women to perform in this area, and with so many doing it, if you don't you're perceived as a prude. I'm not saying one side is forcing the other, I think it's an expectation partially set up by porn and then perpetuated by the same women who feel p…
/r/MensRights23/12/11 08:28 PM
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I don't know, I think there is some truth to the idea that anal sex has been "trending" in recent years, and not because couples are more adventurous. Having spoken to other women about it, it does seem like it's as "expected" as oral sex(at least in my age group). Sure, you can say no and you have "control" in that sense, but the guy is going to be disappointed and sometimes even guilt you. A lot of younger women will do it for their boyfriends out of fear that they'll be seen as in the same li…
/r/MensRights23/12/11 08:15 PM
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Okay...
/r/MensRights22/12/11 03:59 AM
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I just believe there are very few instances where a 22 year old can be genuinely interested in a 14 year old as a person, and not as a young person who hasn't had a chance to fully develop their personality that they can kind of mold to fit their desires. I don't know why I've gotten downvoted, I thought I was expressing my opinion pretty rationally. There have been studies done on the way the mind develops, and it's just inherently unfair IMO for someone so young to be with someone so much olde…
/r/MensRights22/12/11 03:14 AM
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Sounds accurate.
/r/MensRights22/12/11 01:37 AM
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It reminds me of Sara Gilbert's reaction when those vile bitches on The Talk were laughing at the man who got his penis cut off. I could tell she wanted to say something more, but she just kind of timidly went along with it.
/r/MensRights21/12/11 09:10 PM
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I guess it comes down to whether or not you think something like a relationship between a 22 year old and a 14 year old is ever really okay, you know? Example. When I was teaching, I taught English for grades 7-12. I had a 7th grader(she was 12 or 13, can't recall exactly). Her boyfriend was a 12 grader(age 18). I would see her doodling his name everywhere, doodling "hubby + wifey 4ever," etc. Then I would overhear the 18 year old talking about how he was having sex with her and he was going to …
/r/MensRights21/12/11 09:09 PM
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Does anyone else see a little baby dinosaur in the "guts" where the leg is coming out? Just me?
/r/MensRights21/12/11 08:40 PM
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All the upvotes!
/r/MensRights21/12/11 08:39 PM
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But as adults, don't we know that we should respect what other people believe in as long as it's not actually hurting anyone? Personally, I'm Hispanic/part black, and think everything the KKK believes is fucking abhorrent. However, if someone tried to take away their right to believe what they believe, I'd be on the front lines marching for their right to live by their beliefs however they see fit so long as no one is hurt. I respect anyone's right to believe what they believe, so long as they a…
/r/MensRights21/12/11 08:25 PM
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At the same time, I just feel angry. It feels like I spent years studying feminism and related concepts only for it to be sort of taken away or taken over by people who are complete idiots. I feel like shit about the women in our history who identified as feminists and were really egalitarian, and are now lumped in with these people. I never looked at feminism through the lens of it being all about women, I looked at it as having to do with trying to get us all on the same page, working together…
/r/MensRights21/12/11 08:15 PM
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Quick look at posting history, refers to herself as ma'am when someone calls her sir, talks about her husband. On the first page of her history. I don't get why it's assumed OP is a guy who doesn't trust their SO just because she is looking for a divorce agreement that may have been posted here. Seems like a lot of assumptions. She could be looking for it for academic reasons, no?
/r/MensRights21/12/11 08:00 PM
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Thank you for posting this. I don't know why I even tried to read the comments: I wonder what kind of warped demented world Barbara Kay inhabits. Virtually every column she writes is an attack on women or an attempt to minimize abuse of women. It's obvious that she is a rare breed, a female misogynist. It's about time the NP reviewed her credentials. Bigotry in any form should not be allowed in a national newspaper. Yeah, because calling attention to men's issues = misogynist. The more shit I re…
/r/MensRights21/12/11 07:49 PM
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I don't see it. Unless you're saying, the feminists are the idiots the little girl is talking about? Would that make you the child? In which case, why would you equate your argument with that of the simplistic understanding of a child? Also, that little girl is SO FUCKING ADORABLE OH MY GOD.
/r/MensRights21/12/11 07:40 PM
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All your points are good(especially keep finances separate), but I'm pretty sure OP is a female, just saying.
/r/MensRights21/12/11 07:36 PM
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Wouldn't this system be a bit overly complex for what it is? where a high burden of proof is needed to make consent valid. Does that mean you'd need to go to court to prove the kid you're(general you, not you yourself) wanting to have sex with consents? From 13 to 18, when the person is legally a minor, give parents authority to demand any relationship stop, without making that relationship automatically illegal. This part is horrifying. My family was pretty much abusive and would sometimes deci…
/r/MensRights21/12/11 07:32 PM
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I thought the same thing. That's where I thought the story was going.
/r/MensRights21/12/11 02:30 PM
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For some reason this reminded me of what you said about the lure of being taken care of: http://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/nkkl6/i_am_a_stayathome_girlfriend_and_you_would_not/c39u05u
/r/MensRights21/12/11 03:18 AM
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Just because you are a man doesn't make this a men's rights issue.
/r/MensRights21/12/11 03:14 AM
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If you were actually having the discussion you said you were having with MRAs, could you provide a link to it? Thanks. Edit: Also, in case you're not a troll, the best thing you can do is get help from a professional.
/r/MensRights21/12/11 03:04 AM
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Is this a men's rights issue? If so, why?
/r/MensRights21/12/11 02:43 AM
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Part of this stems from the fact that women are taught that all their self worth is attached to whether or not men want them. When a woman feels rejected, things can get pretty ugly. Have you ever tried talking to these immature women about their behavior, or do you usually just either give in or deal with their tantrums when you don't?
/r/MensRights21/12/11 02:42 AM
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With her attitude about dates, I really doubt they split much of anything.
/r/MensRights20/12/11 07:44 PM
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That guy's girlfriend is an asshole for not paying for an equal amount of dates. I think it's totally reasonable to split the cost of birth control if it's purely for the purpose of preventing babies(and not just some benefit to the girl), especially if the girl is making less money than the dude in the situation. I take BC for more than just preventing babies, plus it's only $20... so I'd feel like an idiot asking my boyfriend to give me $10 for that. But she's been on birth control since befor…
/r/MensRights20/12/11 06:47 PM
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Thanks for the info!
/r/MensRights20/12/11 05:08 PM
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"Married" is a legal status that is really (I'm not kidding) designed to enhance the welfare of women. I'm really not seeing that, but definitely open to reading anything that supports it, so I will definitely check out what you mentioned by Anna Igra. I'm sorry about your wife, that sounds really shitty. I honestly don't think I could live with myself if I just mooched off someone else, husband or not. I've always felt guilty about getting pretty much anything from anyone, even if I deserve it,…
/r/MensRights20/12/11 05:53 AM
2

When you say "always," how far back are you actually going?
/r/MensRights20/12/11 05:41 AM
1

Isn't that true of women as well though? I mean, growing up as a girl, I was pretty much taught to hate everything about myself, and that everything about me could be better.
/r/MensRights20/12/11 05:38 AM
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It's human nature - I don't think this is a female trait. Can you elaborate? What would the male counterpart of this be? Thinking about it, I guess I have seen it myself that women do become more dependent as a marriage goes on. However, it's hard for me to accept because I could never see someone like me turning out like that, and I do think more and more women are being socialized to see that as inherently fucked up, weak, etc. I think women my age generally view women like that with contempt.…
/r/MensRights20/12/11 05:37 AM
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I have a hard time accepting your assertion that it's all to benefit women, probably because that is not my reality. What you're saying is not a fact, it's a generalization. I hope that doesn't offend you, but there's a big difference between your opinion of marriage and what marriage is. My situation certainly isn't unique, and I definitely do not need any of my boyfriend's property, and I wouldn't need spousal support etc. in the future should we get married and then part ways. I'm also not in…
/r/MensRights20/12/11 05:27 AM
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I don't know, as a young(ish?) woman I find it shocking. I haven't grown up in a vacuum and I don't understand where all these guys my age get the idea that it'll work out fine to marry someone who gives you an ultimatum. What do you think is "the kind of shit" they're being told?
/r/MensRights20/12/11 04:51 AM
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<3
/r/MensRights20/12/11 03:21 AM
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Thank you for your advice.
/r/MensRights20/12/11 03:07 AM
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That's how they get ya.
/r/MensRights20/12/11 03:06 AM
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I don't know, maybe trolling? I see things posted here all the time that aren't men's rights issues.
/r/MensRights20/12/11 03:02 AM
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We can't all be Masters of the Internet.
/r/MensRights20/12/11 03:00 AM
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Okay. You are obviously completely right. There is a total double standard, women get away with everything, and men get away with nothing because this guy was asked to get tested before handing out his sperm.
/r/MensRights20/12/11 02:56 AM
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Okay.
/r/MensRights20/12/11 02:53 AM
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The article has citations for the actual cases, if you notice. Stop copy/pasting your same comments everywhere. If I'm so bad at arguing, why are you the one resorting to personal attacks?
/r/MensRights20/12/11 02:52 AM
1

It's hard to argue something that seems to be common sense to most people.
/r/MensRights20/12/11 02:48 AM
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That guy's job fucking sucks. I actually felt sorry for him reading that. I could kind of relate to what he was feeling. As a woman working in a place where everyone else was a guy, I found it almost unbearable and perform much better now that I work remotely. I think when there is a majority of any kind of person, everyone will act in accordance with what the majority is comfortable with and kind of overlook how the other one or two people in the office might feel. Edit: Example, in a mostly Ch…
/r/MensRights20/12/11 02:43 AM
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If he had AIDS and was spreading it to hundreds of people via intercourse, he could also be charged with a crime. You can't just engage in behavior that can potentially make people sick. As someone who is giving his sperm to that many people, he should be aware of the laws and should be testing himself that often anyway.
/r/MensRights20/12/11 02:41 AM
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In regards to sex, people have also been charged for spreading AIDS through intercourse, it's criminalized in many areas. Look it up. Sex for money is regulated, too. Feminists are upset when they arrest hookers and not johns. This is a reversal where the man is the provider and the woman is the client. Where's your anger, feminist? I am not one of the feminists you speak of. I'm not going to be angry when someone is told, "Hey, get tested more, or you won't be able to keep giving out your sperm…
/r/MensRights20/12/11 02:36 AM
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Of course it's not fair... but that's no reason to risk completely torpedoing your own career Yeah, I agree with you. It just really sucks.
/r/MensRights20/12/11 02:33 AM
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The rest of that paragraph, which you are taking out of context: No U.S. state has enacted a law which criminalizes specific behavior during pregnancy, but, nonetheless, it has been estimated that at least 200 American women have been criminally prosecuted or arrested under existing child abuse statutes for allegedly bringing about harm in-utero through their conduct during pregnancy.[7] Reasons for pressing charges included use of illicit drugs, consumption of alcohol, and failure to comply wit…
/r/MensRights20/12/11 02:32 AM
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The rest of that paragraph, which you are taking out of context: No U.S. state has enacted a law which criminalizes specific behavior during pregnancy, but, nonetheless, it has been estimated that at least 200 American women have been criminally prosecuted or arrested under existing child abuse statutes for allegedly bringing about harm in-utero through their conduct during pregnancy.[7] Reasons for pressing charges included use of illicit drugs, consumption of alcohol, and failure to comply wit…
/r/MensRights20/12/11 02:31 AM
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Yeah, that's understandable. I guess I am looking at it through the eyes of someone who doesn't want kids, so I'd never put some stranger's sperm in me. It sucks that people are in those situations to begin with, I can't imagine what it's like.
/r/MensRights20/12/11 02:28 AM
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As for what a woman does when she's pregnant, most people who look for donor sex cells are usually desperate for a child. They can be charged with a crime anyway in many states if they do something to endanger a fetus, this guy is just talking out of his ass.
/r/MensRights20/12/11 02:19 AM
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Oh no, what will you do without your internet points?
/r/MensRights20/12/11 02:17 AM
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Really? Edit: Oh my god, they acquitted him? What in the actual fuck?
/r/MensRights20/12/11 02:12 AM
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If you are interested, take a quick look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_rights#Example_cases Women can be and are charged with fetal endangerment/abuse. Several states have laws on the books. This double standard he is talking about doesn't actually exist, he is just assuming. The women he is giving the sperm to would likely be charged if they did something to endanger the fetus after they got pregnant.
/r/MensRights20/12/11 02:10 AM
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Yeah, I see what you're saying. I think most people believe these things generally don't work out well regardless of gender honestly. When someone is in a position of power over you, it can seem pretty hopeless. I recently had a situation at my job and opted to keep quiet, because my workplace 99% male and I knew I wouldn't be taken seriously. Yet here I am telling this guy to go to HR... it's probably not the best idea. Once he's got the new job, have an exit interview with HR and lay all the c…
/r/MensRights20/12/11 02:05 AM
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If you read my other comments to you, there is no double standard. These female participants can impregnate themselves, smoke and drink until the baby's born disabled, then abandon the baby at a fire station with no sanctions whatsoever. Female privilege. THIS IS FALSE. Read the link I responded to you with elsewhere. Where are you getting this? Did you research it or are you completely assuming? Or are you purposely trying to spread misinformation?
/r/MensRights20/12/11 02:02 AM
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Could you just take the time to educate yourself on whether or not these women can be charged with a crime before you keep saying this to everyone? Women can be and are charged with crimes for doing the things you're saying they get away with.
/r/MensRights20/12/11 01:59 AM
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This isn't sex. This is pretty much a medical procedure happening. If his sperm were not safe, the people being harmed would be the women and/or the potential child. Why would the potential "victims" be charged with anything? Btw, there are a few issues with fetal abuse laws, though they do exist. Here is something short on it: http://www.parentprofiles.com/pregnancy-articles/understanding-fetal-abuse Fetal abuse cases are becoming more popular and currently 17 states have enacted laws to protec…
/r/MensRights20/12/11 01:58 AM
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You could say that about people, not just women. People are individuals and should be judged at an individual level IMO. Just like all men are not rapists or abusers, all women are not evil harpies trying to bleed men dry. Neither of these ideas help anyone achieve anything. There is such a thing as loving another human being without being "enslaved" to them.
/r/MensRights20/12/11 01:49 AM
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I mean, if it got to the point, he'd have grounds to sue the company. Most companies will put their own well being before protecting someone, I think. What made it seem to me like he had a chance was that he said other people had been exposed to this lady's behavior. If it were at all possible to get a group together, I think they'd have a chance.
/r/MensRights20/12/11 01:47 AM
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Do you think it should be legal to distribute bodily fluids, tissue, etc. without regulation and regard for public safety? What if this guy had AIDS? He doesn't, since the article said he'd been tested, but these laws exist for a reason and should be enforced IMO.
/r/MensRights20/12/11 01:45 AM
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Doesn't everyone need to be tested before they donate bodily fluids/organs? Seems like it. From the article: Federal regulations say that sperm donors must submit to blood tests for a variety of communicable diseases - including HIV, hepatitis B and C, and syphilis - at least seven days before every donation. Those rules apply to anyone who gives sperm, even a close friend helping out a childless couple. It sounds like this is to keep everyone safe, including the potential baby. Of course the ot…
/r/MensRights20/12/11 12:33 AM
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Thanks for sharing that info, I had no idea about it.
/r/MensRights20/12/11 12:17 AM
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I can't believe none of the people involved were like, "Hey guys, hold on, this is fucked up." I don't even understand, I've seriously lost some faith in humanity.
/r/MensRights20/12/11 12:02 AM
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I'm just saying you can't complain that women are going to college more and making more money than men and working in the same fields as men do and men are suffering from more unemployment, while complaining that women are all staying home leeching off their husbands, while their husbands kill themselves working. This guy didn't say "some" women do this, he was pretty much stating that this is how marriage works... which is just not true. There are plenty of marriages that are equal partnerships…
/r/MensRights19/12/11 10:22 PM
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I'm not a doctor, psychiatrist, psychologist, whatever, but reading those screen caps it really seems likely that that person has some kind of personality disorder and/or is delusional. Thinking that all women would relate to what she is saying shows a level of disconnect from reality that is scary. A sane woman would not think that eliminating men(ie, ending the human race) is a viable solution to any problem. The idea that ending humanity is a possible solution... I don't know, I don't even kn…
/r/MensRights19/12/11 10:06 PM
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I was with this guy at first, then he started saying things like "subarbanite prostitute." I think anyone would agree that a parasitic relationship is unfair. Traditional marriage is fading either way, I've seen multiple articles posted on this same subreddit about less and less people choosing to get married. Also, his assertion that men desire female affection in women don't feel the same is a huge generalization. I mean, this guy is saying men are alone in society, and women "despise" them fo…
/r/MensRights19/12/11 09:55 PM
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I don't know, I guess if I were a guy, it would be a red flag to me if a woman was like, "You need to propose to me within six months. This is the ring you will be buying me." That was the kind of thing I was referring to, which seems to happen all the damn time. And shockingly, these women have a pretty high rate of success in getting these dudes to marry them. Other than that, it's pretty easy to tell if someone is materialistic or lazy or generally not an independent woman. But I guess both m…
/r/MensRights19/12/11 08:54 PM
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There's an interesting discussion of the benefits of marriage in the discussion thread. For example, I'm probably going to have health insurance through my company before my boyfriend(I work at a large company, he works at a local small company), and it would be smart to get married so he can be covered, which we'd otherwise be unable to afford. Someone also mentioned in the discussion that filing taxes together can actually end up being beneficial if there is a big difference in income(combined…
/r/MensRights19/12/11 08:18 PM
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Wow. From the comments: What's really sad is how they treat un-wed fathers (in Utah). A father lost his newborn to an adoption agency because the mother didn't need his permission. He even found out before the kid was given away but the Utah court did not rule in his favor. Oh my god, this is one of the most heartbreaking things I've ever read: http://www.babyemmawyatt.com/OurStory.html I know this may not be why you posted this, but hopefully it's relevant enough since it's in the comments.
/r/MensRights19/12/11 08:07 PM
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Like others have said, get a lawyer. You never know what she is capable of doing. I would set up the recorder app and sit down with her. Start a conversation about how it made you feel when she threatened to make up false accusations. This way even if she never brings it up again, you'll have proof that she said it if she does do something crazy. Edit: Also, just want to add, your relationship sounds really abusive. You should try to get out, especially for your son. Do you really want him to gr…
/r/MensRights19/12/11 07:52 PM
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I'm sorry, but I've seen issues of women getting sexually harassed posted on women's rights communities/blogs I frequent many times. This is definitely a men's rights issue, as I do think men are in a somewhat unique position when this happens to them. They are definitely less likely to be taken seriously because women are not typically seen as being "capable" of harassment the way men are.
/r/MensRights19/12/11 07:33 PM
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You really need to go HR with this. She is a terrible boss and is absolutely guilty of sexual harassment. It should not limit your career to go HR, and if there are any threats or this is not resolved properly they will open themselves up to a lawsuit. I know you said you're not looking for a fix, but going to a HR is a much better option than calling her out in any way. If you feel there are others who have experienced this, as you mentioned, try to get them to go to HR with you. But since the …
/r/MensRights19/12/11 07:31 PM
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You're attaching a lot to this ad that has nothing to do with it.
/r/MensRights18/12/11 01:52 AM
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Sorry, but I do believe the KKK should be able to believe whatever they want, as much as I disagree with them. I'm not saying radical feminists aren't crazy or that the KKK isn't crazy. You said something about it being funny, I said it wasn't. I never said it was a call for action. Btw, being a condescending asshole doesn't make you sound smarter.
/r/MensRights17/12/11 11:41 PM
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Yeah, it sucks, just like anything else that makes a certain group look bad I guarantee it's going to be used as an example to make fraternities, men, college guys, and who knows who else look bad.
/r/MensRights17/12/11 11:11 PM
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I don't think these people are necessarily radical feminists. I've used the term safe space and participated in safe spaces, for the purposes of talking about things that I'd really only feel comfortable sharing with certain people. Other people shouldn't be lumped in with radical feminists and treated with disdain just because they use similar words. Everyone should be free to believe what they believe and share their space with like minded people.
/r/MensRights17/12/11 11:10 PM
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Could you move in and declare your room a male-only safe space? How about stacking Big Juggs magazines in the bathroom just to see how that goes over? Why would it be funny to invade someone's living space when they just want to live with someone like-minded? That's like if someone posted an ad asking that their new roommate be a supporter of men's rights, and a radical feminist responded and pretended to be cool, then went nuts once she moved in. That wouldn't be funny. Their ad sounds so prete…
/r/MensRights17/12/11 10:32 PM
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No, I understand that, I just don't think it was pandering. They would have been getting a lot of shit from men, women, feminists, non-feminists, if they didn't do something drastic. Apart from that, my thinking is that they didn't want this to come back and blow up in their faces if they investigated and let them off with a warning and then a few months down the line a more serious accusation comes up, and then they(the people making these decisions) get the finger pointed at them. In such a la…
/r/MensRights17/12/11 10:22 PM
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Not trying to bait anyone, but what would have been a better response to this? It's pretty much a PR nightmare that has the potential to make chapters of the fraternity everywhere look bad if they don't respond swiftly. That's the problem when a small group within a large organization does something so offensive, regardless of what it is. What could they have done to make sure that the mistake of a select few didn't affect the image of hundreds(thousands?) outside of that chapter? Just imagine t…
/r/MensRights17/12/11 10:12 PM
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I will. In fact, I'll PM you about it, as I really don't like posting publicly here. I actually deleted my comments on here over the last couple of days and wasn't going to come back here again because of all the abusive PMs I was getting, but I thought this was worth writing about.
/r/MensRights16/12/11 09:34 PM
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Oh, it is. And I did acknowledge that they excluded some victims. I mean, you could also say that they're excluding female on female rape. I didn't say it was "really" concerned with men. In a comment I just made, I gave a better picture of how the campaign formed. It started due to a Republican bill that would not allow funding for abortion unless "forcible" rape was proven. They then noticed that the FBI definition was also fucked up, so they campaigned to have it expanded to include other thi…
/r/MensRights16/12/11 09:32 PM
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Please write to Ms. Magazine and the Feminist Majority Foundation about your concerns instead of assuming what they feel about it. Like I said, they're clearly capable of bringing about change, and of their own accord fought to expand the definition of rape to include men and rape with an object(I doubt all they had in mind was women being raped by objects). The worst they can do is say they don't care, in which case your feelings will be validated. The best that can happen is that they expand t…
/r/MensRights16/12/11 09:29 PM
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Huh?
/r/MensRights16/12/11 09:16 PM
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This change to even include men was a feminist campaign that took a lot of work. Prior to feminists speaking up about it, male rape did not even exist in the definition(edit: it was defined as "carnal knowledge of a woman" or something equally ridiculous). It now would include female on male rape with an object. It still does not include other types of rape men can be victims of, that is true. But don't ignore the fact that it's because of the "rape is rape" campaign started by feminists that me…
/r/MensRights16/12/11 09:14 PM
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Don't expect them to listen to or even acknowledge this.
/r/MensRights16/12/11 08:43 PM
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