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could literally get laid on like 75% of approaches no, that's impossible
/r/seduction15/01/26 07:19 PM
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actually having the endurance to properly play the number's game if you haven't done so before is actually extremely complicated
/r/seduction31/12/25 05:46 PM
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yes I've railed against social circle in this forum but for OP I think this is actually necessary
/r/seduction24/12/25 01:11 PM
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Just go out & make casual conversation with girls. Make eye contact with the girl & smile. ... Tell her you find her attractive & wanted to find out if she was cool. If she is with her friends, a knowledge them. Ask them about the group, how they met, etc. ... Then shut up, listen & ask good follow up questions. If she asks you questions in return that means she is interested. If OP was capable of doing this he likely would have had sex at least once by his late 20s.
/r/seduction24/12/25 01:10 PM
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So unlikely it's not even worth thinking about. To even *get to* play the number's game you have to already be doing some things right. If you're a virgin at 28 you probably have a whole host of other mental issues to resolve before you can even do beginner-level pickup. You likely don't have a "number's game" yet. Guys in your situation either 1) have so much approach anxiety they can't approach at all or 2) don't have that much fear of approaching but their approaches are so uncalibrated that …
/r/seduction24/12/25 01:07 PM
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In my experience none of what you said is true at all Again I've tried doing lots of short sessions and I find that I enter into better flow, enjoy the process more and get more leads from fewer more intense sessions The idea that 30 minutes is a "huge" session is so bizarre to me I'm not even sure what to say about it
/r/seduction20/12/25 01:26 PM
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In my experience I've "fizzled out" much faster when I've tried to do small amounts each day than when I've done consistent sessions. I'll admit I've never done a bootcamp or even had a particularly reliable wing so I don't know what that's like. This is a easy gradual, consistent approach to approaching, like gong to the gym slowly. It's better to go to the gym twice a week and hit hypertrophy every time than to go every day and only do, say, 2 sets of 3 reps.
/r/seduction20/12/25 10:03 AM
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True, it's the general problem with internet "gurus" who make a living off of giving advice, they always have to create new content even if they've run out of things to say. We'd be better off having longer descriptions of approach sessions and dates than the constant re-coinage of terms for the same theory concepts. There is one thing I disagree with in your comment — "in the right hands" is a huge caveat, it's like saying "just be a natural". Even if game is more about having the right mindset…
/r/seduction20/12/25 09:49 AM
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you should really consider doing 10+ approaches in a single session if you want to improve your skills and start getting lots of leads 2 a day is OK as an average but a bad idea to do consistently since the start of the session is always the hardest part (so if you're doing a handful of approaches every day and not doing longer sessions you're spending most of your time in field frustrated and rusty)
/r/seduction20/12/25 09:42 AM
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transit is fine actually
/r/seduction18/12/25 09:25 AM
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10 upvotes for moralising on semantics and completely miscontruing what OP said (not once did he say "things aren't going" his way) what a great forum
/r/seduction16/11/25 08:46 AM
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the real misogyny is expecting woman to be ready for sex just because you are I don't "expect" women to be ready for sex. I just know that many will be. its also a total disregard for whatever needs or requirements she may have for sex to be possible, comfortable and safe Comfort and safety are subjective emotional feelings that are not directly related to the bare elapsing of time. Sure that can be a factor to some degree but it's a fact that many woman feel comfortable and safe with some men a…
/r/seduction09/11/25 04:03 PM
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I’ve never had this feeling. Do we have different DNA?
/r/seduction09/11/25 03:54 PM
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ah yeah thinking in terms of worthiness is wrong and you’re right that so many dudes think like this, I have a fuckboy friend who was going on about how some girl made him feel special by doing the most basic “not tonight mister!” routine, I find it exasperating
/r/seduction09/11/25 10:33 AM
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a woman can even choose to not get intimate with any man she's not in a committed relationship with She can, but she’d be in the minority and we’re all well within our rights to filter such women out. We’d be doing her a favour too — she’d be better off dating a sexually conservative man rather than someone who thinks like me or OP. what you are looking for is an escort. No, escorts engage in sexual activity for pay. It is really inappropriate and misogynistic to compare a woman who has sex with…
/r/seduction09/11/25 10:16 AM
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I feel like its built into my DNA to be repulsed by women who are loose with who they sleep with How do you know it’s in your DNA, did you manage to isolate the gene that causes this?
/r/seduction09/11/25 10:13 AM
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No yeah I agree in that case. What I mean is that it seems that OP is suggesting the opposite — to not be one of those guys and screen girls in for responding well to fast escalation. So your objection is true in principle but doesn’t really apply to OP’s framework as far as I can tell.
/r/seduction09/11/25 10:09 AM
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You say those guys are “dumb” but then also say the “optimal” strategy is something that caters to these “dumb“ guys…
/r/seduction09/11/25 07:37 AM
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It’s more of a habit than a mindset in my view. Build the habit of talking to strangers in general. Then do progressive desensitisation exercises to help you talk to attractive women specifically until you can just open direct, and then work on skipping fewer sets. Just be consistent about taking the next step in your learning process rather than trying to force a change in mindset.
/r/seduction08/11/25 06:23 AM
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We get threads like this a lot and it largely attracts responses from people who feel the same as OP does, so I thought I could give an alternative view: No, I hear this a lot but have never really experienced it. I am always glowing after new sex. The only times I have felt bad after sex was when I was really drunk. But I wouldn’t describe it as a sense of emptiness.
/r/seduction07/11/25 11:45 AM
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Yeah you’re probably right that fixating on unrealistic ratios is indicative of lack of time in field
/r/seduction07/11/25 07:44 AM
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I don’t think wondering about what the ceiling for results is is overthinking. It’s very important to have realistic expectations when going in. Yes, the rejection rate can fall over time, but there is a hard limit to this and you are always going to get rejected more often than not. That’s besides the fact that your bare rejection rate is not a good measure of your improvement or even results in game. While you‘re learning an increase in rejection rate can actually be a good thing as it indicat…
/r/seduction07/11/25 07:24 AM
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Extremely often. You’re always going to get rejected more often than not no matter how good you get.
/r/seduction07/11/25 05:40 AM
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It could be almost anything: gardening, pickleball, trading Pokemon cards… whatever You say daygame is “spergy” but tell guys to become a “leader” at trading Pokemon cards lol
/r/seduction06/11/25 07:52 AM
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also just to be clear the warmups can be anyone, don’t necessarily have to be attractive women
/r/seduction06/11/25 07:44 AM
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I recently had a bit of an energy dip after a difficult stretch at work and was struggling to get back into approaching. This was also after a period where I was forcing myself to open direct without any warmups (did around 100 approaches like this) and I burned out pretty hard but when I got back into it my skills increased massively. (Warmups are great but they can become a bit of a procrastination ritual if you rely on them too much). My ”reactivation” formula was to ask 10 questions, give 10…
/r/seduction06/11/25 07:34 AM
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It depends on how many approaches you’re skipping. But 10 or so in an hour is generally totally doable.
/r/seduction05/11/25 05:45 PM
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In my experience “3 a day” is really tiring. You’re better of doing 10-20 in one day and then taking multiple days off.
/r/seduction05/11/25 04:35 PM
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It can be in a field where you are generally rewarded for taking smart risks, as is the case in dating for straight men. I used to be extremely cautious (always looking for “signs” to move things forward with girls, always meeting girls through limited social circle channels) and my dating life was horrible. Once I started taking more risks it got better — so yes it is bad advice.
/r/seduction05/11/25 04:32 PM
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Telling OP to be even more neurotic and cautious than he already is is really bad advice If she’s not available she’ll tell him
/r/seduction05/11/25 10:50 AM
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Just ask her out for drinks. No need to be “smooth” — if she likes you she likes you. Her being “mature“ has little to do with it The only way you can increase your “smoothness” is by practicing more and doing it consistently. It is not something you can randomly turn on for a single interaction by reading about technique online.
/r/seduction05/11/25 10:49 AM
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Riffing off of the coupons is pointless — it won’t increase the likelihood of a follow-up and can potentially come off as tryhard. “Let’s get a drink this Friday” is better. Inviting her over for the first date is also a bad idea.
/r/seduction05/11/25 10:46 AM
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So you wouldn’t have been fine if you had been white? In your previous comment you said “If I was white I’d be OK”. Are you now dropping this claim as well?
/r/seduction05/11/25 09:34 AM
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Thanks for acknowledging that you’ve dropped your initial claim. But you are still moving the goalposts — is it a major handicap or is it only a major handicap in conjunction with not being white? This is your last chance to make a single falsifiable claim rather than modifying them depending on the responses you get. If you move the goalposts again I am not responding to you.
/r/seduction05/11/25 09:29 AM
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Is it a handicap or is it completely disqualifying? Earlier you were claiming the latter. I am perfectly willing to discuss this with you but only if you leave the goalposts in one place.
/r/seduction05/11/25 09:23 AM
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Well sure that preference exists, but we’re not talking about preferences. You’re claiming that being 175 cm completely disqualifies you, not that it’s a minor handicap. Also I am around 178 cm and live in a relatively “tall” country (Germany) and do just fine…
/r/seduction05/11/25 09:18 AM
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At ~175 cm you are taller than most women in the US. Even in the Netherlands the average female height is only ~170 cm.
/r/seduction05/11/25 09:10 AM
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What did I specifically misrepresent? My point was that beginners have limited bandwidth for micro-calibration and that even if you’re not a beginner, filtering purely on initial friendliness is arbitrary. If you think I misunderstood something specific, feel free to point it out. But please make it specific.
/r/seduction04/11/25 04:26 PM
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A lot of this comes from unrealistic expectations and FOMO — that nightlife environments are “easy” and “full of sluts” and whatever so if you’re not succeeding you’re defective in some way. In reality consistent success in nightlife is difficult and requires skill. When I was in my early 20s I remember crying on my way back from a club because I felt like I couldn’t understand why I suck so much. And alcohol makes these feelings of inadequacy even worse, I found it was terrible for my emotional…
/r/seduction01/11/25 02:39 PM
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No and I also didn’t say that. What I said was this, which I assume is what you’re riffing off of: If you are cold approaching as a beginner you have extremely limited mental bandwith … if you're still afraid of rejection you're mostly looking for IOIs (which you are unlikely to judge correctly anyway) This was in the context of whether it is a practically feasible routine for beginners specifically. I admit that someone more advanced would have more mental bandwidth and better intuition for act…
/r/seduction01/11/25 12:57 PM
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I don't think this advice is particularly helpful for OP. If you are cold approaching as a beginner you have extremely limited mental bandwith so micro-judging every single thing a girl says or does is going to make your performance stiff and awkward, and if you're still afraid of rejection you're mostly looking for IOIs (which you are unlikely to judge correctly anyway) to shield yourself from rejection rather than actually "qualifying". It's much easier to just show interest and go for the clo…
/r/seduction01/11/25 08:37 AM
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I find you’re actually less likely to get bad reactions in random daytime settings than bars and clubs In my experience there is also very little difference between cafés and things like supermarkets and shopping centres
/r/seduction31/10/25 05:09 PM
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progressive desensitisation start with directions, then asking for recommendations, then giving drive-by compliments expect it to take months
/r/seduction31/10/25 05:06 PM
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I don't think this is a good attitude to have. Whenever I feel like I am behind and running out of time I get impatient and then overwhelmed. There have been times where negative motivation pushed me a little bit to get started, either with approaching in general or fixing sticking pints / increasing volume, but in general you're going to need to rely on positive motivation more in the long run. So no, I don't think this is a good way to frame it for the most part.
/r/seduction31/10/25 11:36 AM
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If you're this confused I don't think you should bother with negs I'm not sure what you mean by "burning out right away"
/r/seduction31/10/25 11:24 AM
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Yes if you want to get better at dancing then taking dance classes is a good way to do it
/r/seduction31/10/25 10:01 AM
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it depends on the day but generally your state improves after every 5-6 or so approaches warmups can also help you get in state, yes
/r/seduction28/10/25 12:16 PM
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For example, I find making the opener shorter makes it easier to have more conversations and reduces instant rejections, but this is very hard to do when you're dealing with lots of approach anxiety, so then something more complicated "I saw you over there and thought you were cute and wanted to introduce myself" isn't bad and will work on a high enough percentage. Essentially, I'd recommend getting out there and trying different things, and then reflecting on what can help you resolve your stic…
/r/seduction28/10/25 11:14 AM
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It has more to do with your delivery and underlying attitude than the exact words, and the words kind of depend on what you can properly execute anyway. I wouldn't worry too much about planning this in advance.
/r/seduction28/10/25 10:52 AM
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I got dates from this a couple of times before I settled on direct opens and it didn’t end up mattering. I think if the girl likes you she likes you and your delivery and vibe matter more than the exact content of your conversations. Heck, she could even find it cute you made up a fake excuse to talk to her — once I had a girl say this one a date, I met her when I asked her where the tofu is at the tofu aisle. Now I do think that you shouldn’t make this your bread and butter, I think you’re risk…
/r/seduction28/10/25 07:32 AM
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This is complete nonsense, most women are not this strategic about the guys they like.
/r/seduction28/10/25 07:04 AM
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It can happen occasionally. Sometimes women will take care of some steps in escalation, like there have been times where I talk to a girl and she asks for my number, or I ask her out and she initiates touch, or I ask for her number and she picks the bar or suggests a specific night, or whatever. Stuff like that isn't insanely rare. Once I was approached on the street during Karneval but I was coming down with a cold so I couldn't really say much and the conversation didn't go anywhere, and my ga…
/r/seduction27/10/25 05:37 PM
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I’m not talking about typical 3-5 minute cold approaches where you just go up to a girl “hi I saw you over there, I think you’re really beautiful. Women like this too.
/r/seduction26/10/25 06:47 PM
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You’re probably not flirting or escalating.
/r/seduction26/10/25 03:48 PM
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It's totally fair not to track. The thing is that OP asked whether you can get laid "every" six approaches, which suggests an average success rate, not if that can conceivably happen sometimes. If you haven't documented these numbers, then you can't say what the possible average ratios are. For example, in July 2024 I only did one approach and it resulted in a lay. But to say that I "sometimes get 1/1" based on that would be misleading. Sure, documentation can be hard to properly verify. But we'…
/r/seduction26/10/25 08:40 AM
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I don't think even a very good looking guy would be able to average 1/6, no-one has ever documented anything close to that. Paul Janka, for example, didn't have astronomically high ratios. A celebrity, maybe, although if the girl recognises him on the approach then in a sense it's not really "cold" anymore.
/r/seduction26/10/25 07:12 AM
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My original question was whether you consistently get one in six. You said yes; now you’re saying you “can’t expect” consistency. Everyone has hot streaks; the question is the long-term average. And at the end of your comment you describe numbers that sound much higher than 1/6 anyway. By “riskier sets,” I more mean things like girls power-walking or on the phone, and sure women out with guys counts to. Do you approach those consistently? Sure you can say you approach for the girl not the situat…
/r/seduction26/10/25 06:06 AM
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Just to be clear, I am also extremely skeptical of this claim, and as far as I can tell you're absolutely right to say it hasn't been documented at all. I just like to ask for clarification to make sure we're all defining our terms in the same way.
/r/seduction25/10/25 11:54 AM
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Do you consistently approach riskier sets in daygame? How many approaches have you done in total? And what are your actual specific numbers? (1-6, while it sounds small, actually shows massive variance since since 6 is 100% more than 3, there's a big difference between an average of 1 in 3 and an average 1 in 6). What is your drop off from approach > hook > number > date > pull > lay? There is always some degree of drop off so I am struggling to conceptualise how this would look in a 1/6 lay rat…
/r/seduction25/10/25 10:07 AM
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I think you'll understand that people will remain skeptical if all you can say in the way of evidence or explanation of your process is "yes". I'm not saying you necessarily have to prove anything, you're fully within your right to ignore me. But you seem frustrated about the "a lack of objectivity" and things being based on "unreliable feelings", so I was expecting more concrete numbers and more of an explanation of your process (including some of the factors I mentioned, like consistently appr…
/r/seduction25/10/25 07:51 AM
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in my experience it’s better to rotate focus — approach a lot over a couple of days, then take some time off
/r/seduction25/10/25 06:58 AM
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Do you consistently sleep with women every 1-6 approaches? I’m open to it being true I just haven’t seen any evidence of it. The people who claim to have astronomical lay rates generally don’t provide any real numbers as far as I can tell. For example, the only time I’ve heard Todd V give any specific numbers is when he said something like “if I approach a girl who is sitting on her own *and I bother trying to close* then I get a 90% *date* rate” which is quite convoluted and hides the actual ap…
/r/seduction25/10/25 06:54 AM
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making a point of not kissing or flirting is silly but you definitely don’t have to look for signs she likes you or kiss her before inviting her over
/r/seduction22/10/25 05:06 PM
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The best openers are situational and require zero commitment from her. "Best" for avoiding explicit rejection maybe. But is it actually "better" for getting dates? If she wants to engage, she will. This isn't true. If she's receptive, you can transition to actual conversation. Receptive for chatting is not the same thing as interested. It helps you recognize when someone’s open to talking and when they’d rather be left alone. There is no way for AI to help you develop your intuition for real-lif…
/r/seduction20/10/25 08:16 AM
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also it makes it wayyyyy easier to do approaches in foreign languages
/r/seduction20/10/25 07:47 AM
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In my experience I can only really commit to staying in set and trying for the close consistently when I open direct I also find I just do way more sets
/r/seduction20/10/25 06:49 AM
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I'm non-white and live in a fairly white area and I can't say I've noticed my ethnicity being an issue
/r/seduction19/10/25 10:43 AM
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I'm reserved and shy, but I don't think that has any implications Why wouldn't it? This is rooted in your insecurity.
/r/seduction19/10/25 03:46 AM
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The core difference is that a nice guy is 'nice' in an attempt not to ruffle feathers and often in the hopes of getting something in return. You're overall correct but your framing is way too negative and moralistic. When women engage in the same sort of behaviours, we just call them "people pleasers" and don't suggest that they're being manipulative or have some kind of hidden agenda. In fact both feminists and female pop psychology are constantly going on about how women "people please" way to…
/r/seduction17/10/25 09:48 AM
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95% (maybe not quite that but some similarly high number) is probably true for being open to a "lover"-type experience with the right guy under the right circumstances OP is talking about a girl who is actively hustling for a "relationship with a rich guy" by going on lots of dinner dates, that's much rarer But your overall point is correct
/r/seduction17/10/25 07:45 AM
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Everything you said is the opposite of what you should be doing. "Would you go out with me?" has weird wording but it's actually better than all your other suggestions.
/r/seduction17/10/25 07:13 AM
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You didn't answer his question at all.
/r/seduction17/10/25 06:39 AM
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Men who don't have much game resort to courtship-oriented strategies, where you they present themselves as a good boyfriend from the start. But you can also just transition from "lover" to "boyfriend" by being the confident, flirty guy and then spending more and more time with whichever of your hookups you get along with the best. So I don't see what you're worrying about in your case.
/r/seduction17/10/25 06:38 AM
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No, hooking up and casual sex are quite common in Poland. I was quite AFC-ish when I lived there, but even then I had casual sex and knew of casual sex happening within my circle. You'll find a higher percentage of young people that genuinely go to church and such than in many other countries but other than that it's not too different. If you've already pulled girls from clubs in Western countries I don't think you'll find any major issues in Poland.
/r/seduction13/10/25 07:38 PM
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Poland isn't particularly traditional, people in major cities there are mostly fairly liberal. They also tend to have quite good nightlife so I'm sure you'll enjoy yourself.
/r/seduction13/10/25 05:47 PM
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I’m not a real man, I was actually brought to life by this old Italian dude called Geppetto
/r/seduction13/10/25 08:37 AM
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Can you send me a direct bank transfer or do you only do paypal?
/r/seduction13/10/25 03:00 AM
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I am saying that this specifically is not a valid reason: The gym is where we go with a goal in mind and it’s not sex, generally. This is a valid reason: In the street or club we can turn down a man and never have to see him again. But at the gym we may see him again.
/r/seduction13/10/25 02:27 AM
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You are micro focusing on sentence instead of looking at the big picture which I tried to unsuccessfully convey. I said I agree with you on the big picture: I agree with you about approaching at the gym.
/r/seduction13/10/25 02:09 AM
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that's true but you didn't really answer his question OP is an already successful guy who is wondering about what his ceiling is, not a guy who thinks he's "doomed to failure"
/r/seduction13/10/25 01:17 AM
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The gym is where we go with a goal in mind and it’s not sex, generally I agree with you about approaching at the gym but this isn't a valid reason, you could say the same of any daytime venue (or hell, even nightlife for the most part).
/r/seduction13/10/25 01:10 AM
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I mean if that’s what you prefer doing and it’s working for you as a screening mechanism, then that’s great. I’d just encourage you to consider that doing things a different way wouldn’t be “weird” or “pushy”.
/r/seduction12/10/25 04:48 PM
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I had decent options from social circle but found my results improved from cold approach. What now? lf ur making their day better then why are females ignoring ur calls, and texts? Women can enjoy flirting but not want to take things further.
/r/seduction12/10/25 04:48 PM
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I don’t think it’s weird, it seems to work well enough. I think screening is best done in person.
/r/seduction12/10/25 01:51 PM
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During the approach I tentatively float a day or two for a date but don’t try too hard to nail it in. I text right away after the approach so she has my number (hi I am x). Then I text the next day with basic smalltalk and ask her out again (aiming to schedule a specific day) if she responds. I only call if the date is already scheduled and she is starting to get weird about logistics on the day of the date.
/r/seduction12/10/25 11:15 AM
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you need to do progressive desensitisation and develop the habit of talking to strangers
/r/seduction11/10/25 10:51 AM
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If he's gotten no text backs after hundreds of numbers it's likely he's got a more serious problem that will also prevent him from getting instant dates or schedule dates on the same night of meeting. Getting no text backs at all after hundreds of numbers is an exceptionally bad result. Hundreds of numbers over a couple of weeks is also exceptionally high, normally getting 6-20 numbers per 100 approaches would be a good result. Wonder how he's approaching if he is physically able to get hundreds…
/r/seduction11/10/25 09:02 AM
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Brad Pitt has status, not just looks/height/phenome. Janka still had conversations, just short ones. If a guy who is exactly as conventionally attractive as Brad Pitt but wasn't him handed a woman his card his chance of getting a response would be very low. But sure, if you believe in this system run it and let us know what the results are. anyway im a high rankin PUA. i know my shit Surely then you should know that wheat waffles isn't a high ranking PUA and has absolutely nothing to contribute?…
/r/seduction10/10/25 07:52 AM
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Goes against wheat waffles? That's your argument?
/r/seduction10/10/25 07:39 AM
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Getting downvoted for asking for clarification on abstract rambling, stay classy Seddit
/r/seduction10/10/25 07:38 AM
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Sorry I didn’t mean to come across as confrontational. My broader point is that I don’t like activities in general.
/r/seduction10/10/25 07:10 AM
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No, of course not. Don't take it literally. What did you mean then?
/r/seduction09/10/25 04:05 PM
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I gave three examples, I didn't just say cinema.
/r/seduction09/10/25 03:58 PM
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I can't discount that but in my experience so far it doesn't seem to matter much. For example I asked a girl out for drinks and she agreed, then she texted a few hours before the date and asked if there will be non-alcoholic drinks at the bar. We ended up just going for a walk and then she came over to mine on the first date. Generally I float a specific day or two during the initial approach and then they'll generally say what their availability is in response. I don't really find that girls sa…
/r/seduction09/10/25 03:46 PM
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You could have chained it together better by saying that you'd love to hear more stories sometime or you're curious what that laugh is like in person In my mind this is a bit overly rapport-seeking, like you need some kind of really specific excuse to ask the girl out. In my experience thinking you have to make asking the girl out really fancy makes you more nervous and more likely to second-guess yourself. Just saying "btw do you want to get drinks" seems to work well enough. I find I do better…
/r/seduction09/10/25 02:18 PM
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I read your examples, I would interpret 1 as high interest especially since you floated the date in a fairly non-committal way, she matched and exceeded your energy. Number 2 is hard to analyse because you were even more non-committal but there's still a chance she's down. But either way you can't know for sure until you actually ask them out, which you should do regardless of the "signs" you're getting. You should be thinking about whether you're interested, not whether they're interested. EDIT…
/r/seduction09/10/25 02:09 PM
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If you like them just escalate.
/r/seduction09/10/25 01:58 PM
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yeah I think a lot of this “never be persistent at all” stuff comes from a place of ego protection there is a difference between being awkwardly persistent out of oneitis (although heck I have seen guys swing LTRs by doing that) and just seeing how far you can get with each lead Sure maybe there are times where it’s worth cutting loose but “you should cut loose always the second you get any resistance” seems silly to me
/r/seduction09/10/25 11:01 AM
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but you can't let other ensecure or unsure people to lead your life I'm not saying that they should lead your life. I'm saying you should lead and then it's up to her to make an informed decision about whether she wants to follow your lead based on your implicit signals. It's totally fine to only screen for exceptionally forward and self-assured women. Just know that you're cutting out a massive proportion of the female population. some women know what they want Sure, I've acknowledged this alre…
/r/seduction09/10/25 09:05 AM
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In what context? Is this 30 minutes into a date from OLD? 30 minutes of dancing in a nightclub? 30 minutes into a daygame instant date? Or what do you mean?
/r/seduction09/10/25 08:14 AM
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That is assuming that all women always know and are forthright about what they want. This is also assuming that women will not pounce on a deal that they are not actively "looking for" if the deal is enticing enough. For me the ideal situation is to allow them to make an informed decision through your actions and through what you're saying implicitly rather than through explicit, formal negotiation. Now I do appreciate that in OLD this is a bit more difficult and it is harder to do pre-date scre…
/r/seduction09/10/25 08:09 AM
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I am very skeptical that specific activities matter that much. It’s more about wanting to see her, so I tend to just suggest ”getting a drink”. It also makes it easier to practice escalating and pulling more systematically if you run essentially the same date again and again. But I also don’t really like any of these activities people tend to do (bowling, hiking, cinema, whatever) so maybe that’s just more authentic to my personality type… and if suggesting specific activities improved your resu…
/r/seduction09/10/25 01:53 AM
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Telling women you want to go bowling with them increased the quality of your leads?
/r/seduction08/10/25 05:28 AM
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I guess I can't fully discount that, I have always been reasonably socially normal and good at making friends and stuff. But I also wouldn't say that my results are mind-blowing or that I'm even particularly good at this, and I definitely haven't been getting these kinds of results forever. I also find that my ability to "vibe well" in set has largely come from doing a lot of sets and simplifying the process in key ways including not worrying too much about texting; the less you worry about rand…
/r/seduction07/10/25 07:39 PM
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I barely text and I still get lots of dates from daytime approaches
/r/seduction07/10/25 06:09 PM
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Suggesting a specific date activity doesn't mean you're not going to end up with lots of dead numbers. Most girls who give you their number still won't come out.
/r/seduction07/10/25 06:07 PM
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I bet you know [a series of random extrapolations] I am not the topic of discussion. I am ignoring this part of your comment because it is completely irrelevant. Do you really believe the O.P., after three years of discouragement goes to clubs without an intention, and that he approaches women without hoping he finally will succeed—or that he hasn’t gone online looking for answers? I didn't claim this. He’s not a lone wolf. I didn't claim this. To suggest he goes to clubs without a plan or inten…
/r/seduction07/10/25 04:35 PM
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What do you mean I left it out? That sentence is not in the comment I am quoting. How can I leave something out when it wasn’t there? The comment where he talks about building comfort is in response to someone else bringing up the concept. It doesn’t seem to be part of his system at all — seemingly he opens with “what’s your name?” (which no PUA advocates) and then just wings it and gives up eventually. ”If he posts again and claims” You have an extremely low evidential bar for your own claims a…
/r/seduction07/10/25 06:34 AM
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You are almost certainly misinterpreting this.
/r/seduction07/10/25 04:18 AM
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Your response is such an incoherent non sequitur that I really shouldn’t be entertaining it. Well, OP got back to us and turns out you’re wrong: ”I just go to the club not expecting anything and if I see a girl I find attractive I just say hey what’s your name and then go from there. Usually, right from the start, I can tell the girl is cold so it doesn’t get far” So zero structured ”game”. Next time, don’t make extreme extrapolations and also don’t justify them with idiotic anecdotes.
/r/seduction07/10/25 04:13 AM
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No it's not too late. You won't become world-class (nor will I, I started dabbling at 28 and started becoming serious at 30), but the bar for "good" is not that high. I don't agree, I think most men would be best off doing other things with their time. But definitely if you feel like it'll be something that brings you joy and improves your life I encourage you to do it. It is a lot of fun even if it is challenging.
/r/seduction06/10/25 03:11 PM
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In my experience if a girl is into you and likes to drink you not drinking mostly isn't going to stop her from drinking if you take her to a bar. The last woman I hooked up with had wine while I had a non-alcoholic beer, I also had a recent near-miss that pulled easily but then I lost to minor LMR (that I stupidly folded at) that had a cocktail when I had a mocktail. I've also pulled drinkers from daytime dates. Back in my drinking days I also found that the vast majority of the time the women w…
/r/seduction06/10/25 03:09 PM
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Yes daygame is a difficult skill and you should seriously consider whether you want to bother getting decent at it, as it is a serious time sink at first. Over time you get faster at approaching more since you skip fewer girls, and you'll get better and better at incorporating extra spontaneous approaches into your routine, but at first you'll have lots of long sessions that drag out, it's unavoidable.
/r/seduction06/10/25 03:02 PM
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Busy streets with lots of shops Shopping centres and surrounding areas Student neighbourhoods, areas near universities Trendy neighbourhoods with lots of bars and cafés Central squares and intersections with major foot traffic
/r/seduction06/10/25 02:52 PM
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> can count on one hand how many women (2) I've slept with for the first time where we were both totally sober. how many times have you tried?
/r/seduction06/10/25 02:47 PM
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Why is it ill-advised, have you done this and found it doesn’t work? Out of my last 13 bar dates not one had an issue with me not drinking despite me not saying it beforehand
/r/seduction06/10/25 02:45 PM
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Yes you need at least 100 a month to get anywhere, probably more if you are learning. But that’s fine we all go through the dabbling phase first. If you are at the point that you want to run real volume and start getting consistent results, an approach means talking to the woman until she rejects you. If she doesn’t reject you on the open or during the convo then you have to try to ask her out. (If you open direct it is much easier to judge if she actually rejected you or if you preemptively eje…
/r/seduction06/10/25 02:43 PM
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yes that is the kind of volume you need online also relies on volume but you mostly don’t see it because the app takes care of it for you
/r/seduction06/10/25 02:29 PM
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How many approaches do you do per month?
/r/seduction06/10/25 02:29 PM
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Those are massive extrapolations based on two words.
/r/seduction06/10/25 12:13 PM
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yeah I like social circle in theory but post-uni I haven't found anything that I actually enjoy and doesn't feel like you're hustling harder than in cold approach but with worse results sure it does work, I have gotten lays through work and all kinds of random events and classes and whatever, but it's extremely limiting in practice
/r/seduction06/10/25 08:05 AM
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How did you get this from the OP? He gave absolutely no details about his attitude or process and you made something up about how his process (which we know absolutely nothing about) is too linear.
/r/seduction06/10/25 05:48 AM
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i agree OP overstated by saying “never” though
/r/seduction05/10/25 12:14 PM
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you haven’t given any details on how you approach, what you do after the approach, whether you try to number close or pull, how you structure your night in general
/r/seduction05/10/25 12:12 PM
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I hate the whole what are you looking for thing. Your role is to seduce the girl not negotiate the seduction like you’re bartering over goats.
/r/seduction05/10/25 12:10 PM
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Some do, I’ve certainly encountered this, but the vast majority of women who are open to casual sex don’t explicitly frame it in those terms.
/r/seduction05/10/25 12:07 PM
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You have to learn the same as everyone else and will still get rejected a lot. There is no special method or advice for conventionally attractive guys.
/r/seduction05/10/25 05:50 AM
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You did one warmup (which was way too long) and then did one indirect set and are frustrated you didn’t make progress. Next time go talk to 10 people in an hour and you will notice you’ll become more relaxed, even if it’s just asking for directions. If you find you’re too nervous to do that many start at 3 and work your way up. The likelihood of any random girl you approach converting is so low that there is no point fixating on whether you got to “shoot your shot”, what you want to do is build …
/r/seduction04/10/25 02:39 PM
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I think it’s perfectly fine to filter out women who want to do dinner dates. What I said is not that you should do dinner dates, but this: “Even if she had low interest, which she may well have, what you did and especially the way you are framing it is still indicative of low self-esteem and dating weariness.”
/r/seduction04/10/25 02:33 PM
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personally I like nice coats (pink, brown, cream, black or red) that combine well with other elements (hat, scarf, boots, trousers)
/r/seduction04/10/25 01:19 PM
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Even if she had low interest, which she may well have, what you did and especially the way you are framing it is still indicative of low self-esteem and dating weariness.
/r/seduction04/10/25 12:28 PM
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You're protecting your ego by saying this. If you really believed this you wouldn't frame it in such a bitter and highly negative way.
/r/seduction04/10/25 10:04 AM
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Sounds like you’re both hurt and seeking extreme compliance before you meet up with anyone as a way to protect your egos.
/r/seduction03/10/25 07:08 AM
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What does your social circle and daily life look like? I wouldn’t bother going to erotic events, at 18 you’re going to get the best mileage out of simple social circle stuff (uni, work, house parties, friends of friends), especially since your only goal is to get one fwb.
/r/seduction02/10/25 04:47 PM
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In my experience trying to run multiple funnels at once is super confusing and difficult. I know the typical advice here is to “do mostly nightgame and social circle and then do some opportunistic daygame during your daily life and also swipe OLD while on the toilet” but in my experience this doesn’t work at all and I only started improving by doing structured high-volume daygame and avoiding everything else. Pick one way of meeting women and focus on that until you have “proof of concept”.
/r/seduction02/10/25 06:40 AM
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You can just walk over to them and say it at a normal volume. No need to yell. what do you mean of course “excuse me” works? in your original post you categorically stated “if you can’t make eye contact, you can’t talk” But sure maybe in bars there are fewer IOIs now, making them more like daygame
/r/seduction27/09/25 07:31 PM
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> if you can’t make eye contact, you can’t talk in English we have these words “excuse me” which helps you get people’s attention
/r/seduction26/09/25 03:42 PM
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the vast majority if dating advice, including in this forum, ranges from comically incomplete to downright terrible
/r/seduction26/09/25 11:45 AM
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So you’ve never fumbled a girl who gave you multiple objections or LMR on a date? You’re so “well-socialised” that you immediately knew what to say to “I’m on my period” or “I’m not having sex with you tonight” and have mever tripped over anything? Or you’ve never had to deal with women being slightly taken aback within the first 30-60 seconds of you talking to them, and were always so well-socialised you never falsely took this as disenterest?
/r/seduction23/09/25 08:28 AM
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That’s not true at all. Have you never hooked up with a woman who said things like “I’m not going to have sex with you”?
/r/seduction23/09/25 08:24 AM
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Your first paragraph is a random accusation based on nothing so I'm not going to address it. Also, im not sure what you mean by "trying to pull" Trying to pull means inviting a woman over to your place. i dont really care OK why should anyone care about your comments if you don't care about putting any thought into them or bothering to even try to understand any counterpoints?
/r/seduction23/09/25 03:16 AM
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Idek what that means. Neither do most people. Why? Because it doesn't matter. Jesus, I've seen some apologetics for extreme wilfull ignorance on Reddit but this really takes the cake. Imagine having so much access to information and not even bothering to quickly google a reasonably common expression. No, the fact that you don't know what a term means doesn't mean it doesn't matter. Saying so is so comically wrong that it's almost silly for me to address it. Or does the fact that I don't know wha…
/r/seduction23/09/25 02:56 AM
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your paragraph about "demographics" is just a repackaged Madonna/whore dichotomy
/r/seduction23/09/25 02:43 AM
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The best 'game' will enable to you close a HUGE percentage of the girls WHO ARE ATTRACTED TO YOU, without messing it up (escalating smoothly, dealing with objections and sh1t-tests well etc) This is actually very difficult and goes far, far beyond the level of "not starting off being completely unsocialised".
/r/seduction23/09/25 02:33 AM
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If a woman tells you she has to get to know you, she’s not that kind of girl, or she isn’t comfortable yet You're confusing interest with compliance.
/r/seduction23/09/25 02:06 AM
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thanks for conceding you can’t come up with a counterargument that addresses what I actually said rather than some fantasy position you made up
/r/seduction19/09/25 08:41 PM
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First of all, I just need to note that my comment was not advocating PUA, so please respond specifically to what I am saying, not to what you imagine a "PUA" might say. What I am saying is not that PUAs are right about everything, but what you are saying in this specific thread is too simplistic. Now to your question — yes I got laid many times through my social circle before I started actively working on being better with women. Once a woman even asked me out, asked to kiss me, told me to come …
/r/seduction19/09/25 01:51 PM
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And with the girls who ARE attracted to you, the amount of 'game' you need isn't much more than base level social skills This is far too simplistic. A girl who is into you can start making objections or show LMR; dealing with all that goes far beyond "base level social skills".
/r/seduction19/09/25 01:19 PM
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What in the actual content of my comment do you disagree with? I never said anything about not kissing women or asking them out or that women in your social circle won't scout out your availability to hang out. I'm not sure who you're responding to but it's definitely not me.
/r/seduction19/09/25 01:12 PM
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Ranging from saying yes to your every invitation to hang out This by definition is not the "first move". ignoring your texts or late replies Nah some people are just bad texters or busy or whatever. You'll see everyonce in a while some sad sap who has to spend months following around some girls like a lost puppy, peacocking, being some unpaid bouncer/driver for them without landing a single hit Do you not think there could be a bit of a middle ground between doing nonsense like this and expectin…
/r/seduction19/09/25 12:19 PM
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Who are these obese unkempt morons who only accept hot instagram girls with thousands of followers? Seems like a bit of a weird strawman just to make yourself feel superior (”I’m a good man, unlike these incels who are also obese and greedy!!!”). As far as I can tell this forum is full of normal guys chasing normal girls for the most part, not sure who this post is for.
/r/seduction18/09/25 09:53 PM
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In my experience location never made a difference, my dating problems followed me everywhere and I mostly got similar results until I started learning cold approach
/r/seduction18/09/25 07:30 AM
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Have you considered opening direct and vibing and letting go of your “stack”? You might find it easier to split test if you simplify your process rather than having so many specific lines you have to throw in. The exhibiting preselection thing I don’t think matters, for example. Anyone can have a female friend or lie about having one. And personally I found that opening with a false time constraint made my results worse. An hour a day on instructional videos is probably too much, likely to make …
/r/seduction17/09/25 07:42 AM
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In my experience none of that really works. Being out with friends is too distracting and so is having a specific goal in mind. What worked for me was starting with asking for the time, then directions, then café recommendations, then drive-by compliments, then semi-direct while trying to start a conversation, then direct, then increasing volume of direct opens / actively going after more intimidating sets. I also asked random people if they’ve seen x item to get more used to approaching in stor…
/r/seduction17/09/25 07:30 AM
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who cares about meeting your “significant other” lol
/r/seduction17/09/25 07:26 AM
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This is completely false in my experience.
/r/seduction17/09/25 07:26 AM
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besides what everyone has already said I’ve never seen an “instagram influencer” who does solid game, mostly they use silly pickup lines (because it gets interesting reactions that look good on camera) or ask for the girl’s instagram pretty much right away
/r/seduction17/09/25 07:18 AM
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But I also want to note that getting properly good at game is time consuming and probably not aligned with most men's actual dating goals If what you want is to get acceptable results (some kind of girlfriend or situationship every once in a while) from social circle, you'll probably get more mileage out of just being social and relaxed rather than practicing systematic escalation Just make sure you're making an informed decision rather than deluding yourself about what it takes
/r/seduction16/09/25 03:11 PM
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I agree with the last statement but how does women not giving any IOIs in the early stages invalid the fact that they have to be the first to insinuate If there are women that do not give IOIs before the man initiates then it logically follows that for anything to happen the man has to initiate regardless of IOIs at least in those case. Then you mentioned how having fun is not important during a date I do think having fun is important. I have just found that actually escalating is more important…
/r/seduction16/09/25 02:28 PM
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Thanks for actually defining your terms. In your OP you said “the girl has to be the one to give some kind of innuendo first”. This is just untrue, there are plenty of women that hardly give IOIs in the early stages. > And where am I contradicting exactly? You first said that “[having fun is] all that matters”, and then later you said that you ”meant” something completely different (“I meant that both are important”) that can’t reasonably be interpreted from your initial statement. You say that …
/r/seduction16/09/25 10:27 AM
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You’re saying contradictory things and not really answering my questions so I’m going to leave it here.
/r/seduction16/09/25 04:32 AM
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This is a seduction forum and OP asked about getting laid. Saying it’s tacky and desperate is just pointless moralising.
/r/seduction16/09/25 03:50 AM
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if you know for certain you can get good leads through cold approach or OLD, AirBnB if not, hostel
/r/seduction15/09/25 05:49 PM
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I get that you were burnt out with pickup and seduction theory. Letting your hair down and having a relaxed and fun time with mixed company is a great experience, and it's lovely you got an IOI from that, that can definitely be part of your journey. And yes being relaxed and enjoying it is certainly very helpful in game, but it's far from being "all" that matters — thinking this can be a bit of a trap where all you do is chase state (which ironically actually makes you less present and relaxed..…
/r/seduction15/09/25 12:00 PM
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I was just sharing my first impressions on a different approach I know. You don't need to say this. I think it's all that matters actually You can "have fun" for hours with a girl and then fold like a house of cards the second she gives you a little bit of LMR. This kind of thinking is a trap. I think it's all that matters actually I've gotten dates from cold approach sessions that were really difficult and grueling and I learned a lot from that; had I gone home every time I wasn't "having fun" …
/r/seduction15/09/25 11:38 AM
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So you had fun with some people in your social circle once. Great, I’m glad you had fun. But how is this enough data to draw broad conclusions on seduction? As for your last paragraph, in social circle it is much easier to have girls give you “signs” and such because they have more time to warm up to you. In cold approach this simply doesn’t exist.
/r/seduction15/09/25 06:20 AM
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just slowly increase the amount of approaches you do per session, allow yourself to do 10-20 in a session even if it takes 5-6 hours eventually it'll feel annoying to spread them over so much time so you'll stop skipping as many sets this is assuming you can already approach with decent form at least some of the time and just need to increase volume. if you're not there yet then you need to work on basic AA exercises and warmups to at least start doing some decent approaches
/r/seduction14/09/25 11:02 AM
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OP isn’t talking about getting hit on while working
/r/seduction14/09/25 02:28 AM
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Your partner is a naive one if sex happes so quickly I asked "how" and here you are restating your conclusion without justifying it.
/r/seduction13/09/25 03:12 PM
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you won’t hit on other women if you already know you have a chance with one This is a really bad idea in my experience. Success comes in waves so maintaining consistency is important, overfocusing on any one lead is a bad idea if you want to actually cultivate options. In any case, any one lead can always randomly fall off no matter how much time you spend with them: I've had women give me LMR and start de-escalating when I went for the lay on the third date, and then I was like shit I'm back to…
/r/seduction13/09/25 02:21 PM
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How are you supposed to spend 7 hours on dates with one woman pre-lay if you have multiple women on the go and are also approaching consistently and getting consistent first dates I have another question, if sex happens just minutes after meeting her, what does that say about her? Who said anything about minutes? There's a lot of middle ground between 7 hours and just "minutes"
/r/seduction13/09/25 01:21 PM
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yeah I think mystifying older women in this way is nonsense and likely to make your game worse. older women have different personality types, preferences and values just like younger women. just game as normal and deal with specific challenges as they come up
/r/seduction13/09/25 08:30 AM
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it’s a number’s game like any other kind of woman. they’ll be into you or they won’t, and some will want to flirt for the fun of it but not take it further the only thing that seems different to me so far is passing shit tests and objections related to age also I’m not sure what you mean by “whenever it happen im unsuccessful in making it to a successful conversion and convincing her to get in bed with me”
/r/seduction13/09/25 08:29 AM
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the problem is if you haven’t already done lots of direct approaches with good delivery you don’t know yet which girls will reject you right away
/r/seduction13/09/25 08:25 AM
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what’s so special about 7 hours?
/r/seduction13/09/25 08:25 AM
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Also “create value” and “live life well” are meaningless New Age slogans, that has nothing to do with creating *factual* abundance in terms of getting leads you’re excited about, dates and a rotation
/r/seduction13/09/25 08:17 AM
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but that doesn't say anything bad about his character though Who said it does? Why would you say this? not randomly dropping if she's clearly not respecting your time. I agree that by now it’s essentially dead but I think OP still had some room to maneouver after the first reschedule attempt. Flakiness and poor communication of this level mean she's not interested enough to care No, it just mean that the right comfort/value proposition wasn’t there in that specific constellation. Personalising i…
/r/seduction12/09/25 07:42 PM
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oh wait you’re a woman. if you were a man you wouldn’t be able to get away with this — women find neurosis unattractive — but as a woman you can. just keep talking to guys until you find one who’ll put up with the test thing, some will find it to be a turn off but at least one won’t. i’d still suggest your attitude towards STIs is unhealthy and probably linked to other mental health issues so it’s still worth getting checked out, but you can probably still get a fwb even with this attitude
/r/seduction12/09/25 06:53 PM
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It’s not a cool story, it’s just the truth. You need help from a mental health professional. You asked for advice but you’re evading the correct responses.
/r/seduction12/09/25 06:46 PM
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Nah if you’re cold approaching even highly keen women can become difficult at random points. you have to learn to handle objections and not drop girls randomly but make sure they’re coming out on your terms
/r/seduction12/09/25 06:32 PM
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We both know it was because Chad from I.G. suddenly became available. come on, you don’t know that. she could have just randomly gotten cold feet due to the nature of meeting a guy in front of a club. teaching people to feel like they’re constantly in competition with “Chad” is teaching them bad inner game
/r/seduction12/09/25 06:28 PM
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yeah I’ve managed to get some girls to not flake by calling them. one girl basically folded the second I called. didn’t sleep with either of them though lol In any case I think OP’s girl wouldn’t have happened anyway, there’s no way to be 100% flake-proof
/r/seduction12/09/25 06:24 PM
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being chill comes from actually knowing that you can get girls and have options most men who are needy will take this advice as an excuse to escalate less and are more likely to miss escalation windows sure don’t overtext but other than that I can’t see how this advice would be useful to anyone who is learning > but yet the girls are ALWAYS so interested and constantly texting me long messages “always”? sounds like nonsense to me
/r/seduction12/09/25 06:19 PM
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You're putting someone down you barely know ("that's barely attractive", "I know this kind of girls should be avoided") from a place of bitterness and a complete misunderstanding of what women are like You're seeing a random cashier as an important option and getting jealous she talks to other people because you're coming from a place of scarcity You're trying to hatch up some mind games you can use to get her rather than just going for it or enjoying the interaction for what it is (random fun c…
/r/seduction10/09/25 06:30 PM
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Yes because there are deeper issues to everything else you're saying that need to be dealt with and are much more important than the answer to your specific question.
/r/seduction10/09/25 06:04 PM
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Why would you be pissed off that a cashier isn't thinking about you lol just enjoy the chats for what they are (random chat with a fun cashier brightening up your day) and go meet other women somewhere else
/r/seduction10/09/25 06:01 PM
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I can guarantee that this cashier is not thinking about you at all
/r/seduction10/09/25 05:45 PM
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some women are just chatty and fun and they come off as flirty to inexperienced guys
/r/seduction10/09/25 05:34 PM
1

How does the amount of views your porn videos get have any bearing on your ability to teach or discuss pickup? That's at best a testament to your videography skill.
/r/seduction10/09/25 03:52 PM
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I tend to pre-open with “excuse me” because of the not hearing thing. I think warmups are great, I just find that doing three “proper” approaches in quick succession sometimes works better for building initial momentum than doing warmups, it really depends.
/r/seduction10/09/25 02:42 PM
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Tracks with my experience too. I think when you start out you fall into the trap of thinking that the direct opener should be what hooks the set on its own, so you don’t really try for the hook. I remember when I first switched from “I like your style” to “I think your cute” it felt like my approach > conversation ratio absolutely tanked but after a bit it started improving again and I started getting girls give me the boyfriend excuse on the close much more often rather than it pretty much alwa…
/r/seduction10/09/25 11:52 AM
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rule 1: In my experience, yes and no, warmups are good but can quickly devolve into procrastination. Depending on where you’re at it can be good to train by starting sessions with harder interactions so you’re not dragging your feet. rule 2: I find the “softener” (all the variants of this is random but…) doesn’t really help with getting the hook. Do you really find this hooks more often than simpler direct openers?
/r/seduction10/09/25 11:38 AM
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Sure, it’s true that delivery matters more than the exact words. What I find is that if I make the opener shorter my delivery is automatically less robotic and more relaxed on average and I hook more interactions and a higher proportion of women giving instant rejections seem flattered. > Maybe you pause and let her respond after “you look nice”. You absolutely can, although I would argue this isn’t really part of the opener anymore and I still don’t get the sense it would actually increase hook…
/r/seduction09/09/25 10:32 AM
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OK if my interpretation was too literal what did you mean by it?
/r/seduction09/09/25 10:06 AM
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I actually find that the “hundreds of approaches and no success” guys are quite rare and generally have severe emotional issues that likely won’t be solved by dance, although maybe that can be part of it as long as they do other mental health work. More often you get guys who did dozens or a little more than a hundred approaches and got some marginal results (maybe some numbers that flaked, maybe a date or two) but aren’t pulling yet, which suggests they have specific issues with their technique…
/r/seduction09/09/25 09:41 AM
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I’d say that’s a bit too long, in my experience you get the hook more often if you quickly transition from the opener to normal conversation. Although if adding these kinds of softeners reduces your fear of approaching then I guess they can be helpful in that sense as training wheels
/r/seduction09/09/25 08:14 AM
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I find that women are often surprised to have been approached even when I looked at them multiple times first. I used to be really insecure about this, thinking women were always noticing me before I approached them, and I reckon it does happen sometimes, but still much less than I initially expected. I find that most random people in public are zoned out and in their own world honestly. I think this idea that women have superhuman perception or intuition is overblown.
/r/seduction07/09/25 07:38 AM
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“On some level” could just mean she wants your attention, not that she’ll actually hook up with you
/r/seduction07/09/25 07:23 AM
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Girls do not make repeated eye contact and talk to people they aren't interested in. that's not true at all
/r/seduction06/09/25 09:26 AM
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There’s a chance you actually are getting better but aren’t allowing yourself to celebrate small wins
/r/seduction05/09/25 06:45 PM
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sure but also practicing more just makes you better (as long as your form is decent) a footballer who’s played for 10000 hours will run circles around someone who knows all there is to know about tactics but has only trained for 500 hours
/r/seduction05/09/25 06:39 PM
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In what way did your tangible results improve when you started doing fewer approaches? When you say 1-2 approaches a day do you mean every day or on average?
/r/seduction05/09/25 06:37 PM
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also don't ask for advice in the "passportbros" subreddit that's one of the saddest and most toxic male dating advice subs
/r/seduction04/09/25 01:15 PM
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I love how everything is written in great detail but the actual interactions Lol true I'm sometimes shocked at the extent to which beginners can provide so many details, none of which are actually relevant
/r/seduction04/09/25 01:11 PM
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Good job doing 27 approaches! Did you do them all in a single session? It's implied from your FR but you don't say it outright. If so that's a great effort if it's true that you're just starting out. Yes these results are totally normal. There is a lot of variance, sometimes you'll hit pockets of women who are less receptive, or sometimes you'll end up scheduling multiple dates from women you met within fifteen minutes of each other, and over time if you practice with self-reflection and the rig…
/r/seduction04/09/25 01:09 PM
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It's a bad idea but it's better than both coffee and bars? I don't understand what you're saying at all.
/r/seduction04/09/25 12:56 PM
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I haven't noticed any correlation between lays and whether women wear heels, I think that's a fairly arbitrary style preference. Yes I agree that asking to meet at a bar is a better filtering mechanism than at a cafe "Dining" is a bad filtering mechanism in my experience, probably worse than coffee
/r/seduction04/09/25 12:49 PM
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On the top of my head the ones I’ve experienced the best ratio of single pretty women are yoga, massage, tantra, dance (zouk, shatta, kizomba…), NVC, astrology and oracling, breath work, shamanism, mantras / kirtan (especially if you’re a musician), authentic relating… So should you do what you said earlier, which is to do "find what lights you up, find where people that love the same thing gather and connect", or should you arbitrarily pick hobbies that lots of women are into? But increasing yo…
/r/seduction04/09/25 12:24 PM
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I thought I was being pretty clear but I'll happily oblige and make it even clearer. I am saying getting numbers and even dates isn't the same thing as getting lays and that there are ways to increase the likelihood of getting a number but where you actually end up screening for girls who are less dtf. You also can't compare two people's performance on a single night, and especially not based on a single set. You don't know if those two guys didn't get end up getting a same night lay while you w…
/r/seduction04/09/25 11:39 AM
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Actually I think the details of the anecdote (you number closed a single girl who you didn't sleep with) are super revealing. I have a similar anecdote. Years ago I was out at a party and I was dancing with a girl. Another guy (who I had seen approaching lots of women) came up to her and was very direct and she ended up rejecting him. At the time I congratulated for myself for being better than him because of how relaxed and non-pushy I was, and then I walked her to her taxi and got her number. …
/r/seduction04/09/25 11:25 AM
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Yes hobbies are the main way to connect with the right people for you You say "yes" but then you say something that is not at all an answer to my question. I asked: How do you get a “consistent stream of high quality single women entering your life” through social circle? Find what lights you up, find where people that love the same thing gather and connect, and you have an entry point into the life you’re looking for. Obviously social circle can work to some degree — I have got some dating resu…
/r/seduction04/09/25 10:52 AM
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She dresses well but uncomfortably? I have no idea what this means She's okay with dining with you ? She feels safe drinking with you and altering her judgment? So your sign of interest is that she came out to the date? I mean, technically true but what use is that to anyone?
/r/seduction04/09/25 09:37 AM
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Also when you say pull do you mean you actually got the lay?
/r/seduction04/09/25 09:07 AM
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I’m not talking about being “detailed”, but about being even minimally accurate. You factually did not pull two women in one night. Claiming that you did is misleading.
/r/seduction04/09/25 09:00 AM
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How do you get a “consistent stream of high quality single women entering your life” through social circle? To do that you’d have to be a yoga instructor or a DJ or a photographer at a modelling agency or something. The vast majority of lifestyles won‘t be compatible with this. > you will meet women that resonate with you without even trying well yeah this can and does happen but that’s generally women wanting to be your girlfriend, and it’s only going to be a very small number, not for getting …
/r/seduction04/09/25 08:51 AM
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You say probably but what are you basing that on? 1 in 4 girls you talk to going on a date with you is a crazy ratio I’ve never seen claimed before also do you ever approach walking sets?
/r/seduction04/09/25 08:15 AM
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could you please be more precise in your language in the future? saying you pulled two girls doesn’t mean that you pulled one and your friend pulled one, it means you pulled two. if you want to help people it’s good to be honest about your actual results rather than expressing them in misleading ways that will make people reach the wrong conclusions
/r/seduction04/09/25 08:13 AM
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you might also be over-filtering (relying on IOIs etc.)
/r/seduction04/09/25 07:19 AM
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I’ve you can’t remember the last time a girl didn’t give you her number you probably aren’t approaching much Bars are also quite different from daygame, which is what OP is talking about
/r/seduction04/09/25 07:17 AM
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I’ve been getting plenty of dates with a much lower approach > number ratio Do you have a 50% approach > number ratio, and if so how did you get there and did you find it also improved your approach > date ratio? I feel like having such a high approach > number ratio means you’re likely not being polarising enough
/r/seduction04/09/25 07:16 AM
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how many hot chicks actually go to board game meetups duolingo itself is atrociously bad for languages so I’m also skeptical of this gleam thing
/r/seduction04/09/25 07:05 AM
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yes cold approach is extremely time consuming when you’re still learning and you won’t really get results if you half-arse it so it’d good to be clear whether it’s aligned with your goals so you can decide whether to go all-in
/r/seduction04/09/25 07:04 AM
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you can also get burnt out from your tangible results not improving
/r/seduction04/09/25 06:54 AM
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yeah those kinds of openers are funny and can get good reactions but they destroy comfort I think (I haven’t experimented with these myself but I’ve heard this from coaches). there’s a difference between fun reactions and actual results If you decide you still want to work on cold approach for your next 60-110 approaches or so I’d suggest experimenting with going totally direct from the start and seeing what happens just fyi when I switched from semidirect (“I like your style / your jacket / etc…
/r/seduction04/09/25 06:51 AM
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you pulled both of them?
/r/seduction04/09/25 06:42 AM
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he didn’t moan or cry, in fact he said this: Nothing wrong with feeling really happy that something good happened, and let's face it, a win is a win.
/r/seduction02/09/25 03:25 PM
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Yes
/r/seduction02/09/25 05:56 AM
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> yeah leaving together is pretty much guaranteed sex at that point. that’s not true at all
/r/seduction01/09/25 02:43 PM
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Good luck! > I think it destroyed me it can certainly have a negative impact but being this dramatic about it is likely to stress you out which will make you mote likely to relapse
/r/seduction01/09/25 02:41 PM
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Moving the goalposts
/r/seduction01/09/25 02:38 PM
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you’re just arbitrarily dismissing counter-evidence to your claim
/r/seduction01/09/25 02:59 AM
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she also tried to push things towards a relationship, including quite early on into us seeing each other. later we even went no contact for a bit because she wanted a relationship and I didn’t
/r/seduction31/08/25 06:57 PM
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> They start interviewing her. “So what do you do?” “Where are you from?” “What’s your favorite color?” It’s dull. It’s predictable. And worst of all - it takes value. I find that asking questions works well enough as long as you don’t fire question after question and expand the conversation to things that have emotional salience and where you talk about yourself a bit. I‘m not sure if it’s necessary to do this assumption stuff although maybe it does improve conversion/quality at some point…
/r/seduction31/08/25 06:15 PM
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What do you mean? I said she was a consistent fwb — we hooked up many times.
/r/seduction31/08/25 06:06 PM
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my most consistent fwb was a girl who was telling me about how she was having issues with her long-distance boyfriend and immediately hooked up with me after they broke up
/r/seduction31/08/25 05:49 PM
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Your problems are typical for beginners and don't really have much to do with being an introvert. If you have approach anxiety then your immediate concern is to reduce it to a manageable level, not to worry about how you're an introvert. The funny part is, some women actually notice me Yes women like men so it's not crazy that you'd get checked out occasionally, it does happen. But this isn't really relevant to how to learn game
/r/seduction31/08/25 01:31 PM
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but also I go for it either way, I tend to time my visits to the barber to just before approach sessions but I also do extra spontaneous approaches when my beard's grown out a bit. I think grooming is important but it's also a bad mental habit to train yourself to think you have to be "perfect" before you do any approaches
/r/seduction31/08/25 10:59 AM
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also the fact that that percentage is a correct conversion of the fraction doesn't mean that that ratio is actually true
/r/seduction31/08/25 10:50 AM
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I read that as approach > number not approach > lay
/r/seduction31/08/25 10:43 AM
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Good luck, let us know how it goes
/r/seduction31/08/25 10:17 AM
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maybe, honestly I don't care I think you should care about being honest with yourself. Accurately diagnosing the problem is important in order to figure out what the solution is. And it has the same solution for both, get out and do it. Well no, if you're problem is that you're getting overwhelmed trying to force yourself to "go out and do it" might be the wrong thing to do.
/r/seduction31/08/25 10:16 AM
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Are you going as a tourist?
/r/seduction31/08/25 09:56 AM
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Yes reducing porn is important although that’s going to be hard to do if you dont exercise or socialise much, you need to replace it with healthier outlets
/r/seduction31/08/25 09:55 AM
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Why do you think Tbilisi would be different to any other city of similar size? Just go and do your approaches.
/r/seduction31/08/25 09:29 AM
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dragging the interactions out to 5 minutes is mostly pointless IME unless you just want lots of experience talking. it’s not likely to increase your number > date rate
/r/seduction31/08/25 09:21 AM
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every 3 weeks or so i get my beard done almost every week
/r/seduction31/08/25 09:19 AM
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> I think it had more to do with lazyness than actual fear or shyness you’re deluding yourself
/r/seduction31/08/25 09:18 AM
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if you’re getting overwhelmed and not approaching you need to lower your goals and do exercises that you can do at volume (look up ”progressive desensitisation” and “approach anxiety”) The more impatient you are the harder you’re going to make it for yourself. just do the exercises diligently and *at volume* (10+ interactions per session, ideally in under an hour, or at least try to work up to this) and don’t try to graduate prematurely
/r/seduction31/08/25 09:17 AM
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yes I remember doing a couple of direct approaches when I was first starting out and it sucked because I couldn’t really hold a convo or attempt to close even when the woman was receptive the whole ”just do it“ mentality is super unhelpful Take baby steps — go back tot he drawing board and do more warmup exercises to get used to talking to strangers in general
/r/seduction31/08/25 09:15 AM
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I’d say making such big goals is likely to overwhelm you I’d focus on changes that are the highest yield and lowest effort first if you have hygiene issues then yeah that’s probably where you need to start
/r/seduction31/08/25 09:13 AM
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Mostly luck and knowing to go for it I once very nearly had a same-date lay from a girl I met on the street and it only didn’t happen because I had to kick her out because I had another date the same evening (which was funny because the second girl ended up super non-dtf so I burned a great lead over nothing lol, had I known at the time what likely date > lay percentages are I probably would have made a different decision) My view is that mostly I got lucky since she made things easy for me at e…
/r/seduction31/08/25 09:10 AM
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> focus on logistics over feelings early on yeah I find if the girl is keen she’ll schedule the date pretty quickly. all of my dates this year have been like this, the ones who text and text and text don’t seem to go anywhere. I tend to ask one or at most two questions (even just ”how has your weekend been?”) and then go for the date right after. Maybe in OLD you need to display more value over text but in daygame it seems like her keenness is largely a function of how she felt on the approach a…
/r/seduction31/08/25 08:53 AM
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Nonsense, that ratio doesn’t exist. No-one has a 16% layrate from cold approach. Second, OP explicitly framed his advice as advice for beginners (people who aren’t running numbers yet). So your objection makes no sense even if it was true.
/r/seduction31/08/25 08:45 AM
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> if you do cold approach you need to approach at least 10 girls every month to get decent exposure. ten a month is next to nothing
/r/seduction30/08/25 08:56 AM
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I've asked you two questions and you haven't answered either of them.
/r/seduction29/08/25 09:10 AM
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I do follow up right away (generally just "hi it's [name]" unless there's some inside joke from the convo I spontaneously feel like making, but I don't force it) but saying "I'm really looking forward to knowing more about you" or saying her "voice is stuck in your head" feels a bit too intense in the early stages. Do you find that actually increases your number > date percentages? Also in what context are you sourcing women, is this cold approach or OLD?
/r/seduction29/08/25 08:51 AM
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And just to add to this, I think you should consider whether you want to be "normal" or want to get good results from cold approach. Even if we were to assume that where you live somewhere where you have a slightly higher likelihood of getting worse blowouts from girls with lower interest levels (i.e. the instant rejections are less likely to be polite on average), is that enough of a deterrent to prevent you from putting in the work to go and find the girls with higher interest levels? Like wha…
/r/seduction29/08/25 08:48 AM
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I live in Germany. Here it's not super common to chat with random strangers, or at least it seems less common than some other countries, but that doesn't seem to radically change my daygame results; everything that happens seems to track to exactly what you'd expect based on my experience level and my number of approaches. I've practiced a bit in other countries and so far I don't find that the results are massively different, although maybe I'll have more to say in a couple of years when I'm mo…
/r/seduction29/08/25 08:42 AM
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I can talk to them, start a conversation This indicates to me you're opening indirect and not showing interest in any real capacity before the close attempt
/r/seduction17/08/25 09:00 PM
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How often do you do street approaches and how do you open? Saying you "sometimes" get contact info makes it sound like you're not approaching particularly consistently
/r/seduction17/08/25 07:45 PM
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I’m the weakest guy ever and every time I’m in a forest all I see is trees
/r/seduction06/08/25 06:44 PM
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lack of counterargument noted, thanks for conceding the point
/r/seduction06/08/25 06:31 PM
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women aren’t necessarily experts on anything just by virtue of being women
/r/seduction05/08/25 04:39 AM
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there are plenty of people who aren’t decent human beings and get laid all the time
/r/seduction05/08/25 04:38 AM
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Don’t be pedantic, you know that there is a difference between cold and semi-warm environments.
/r/seduction27/07/25 03:42 AM
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I find it’s hard to practice in a structured and dedicated way in warm environments, you might find you benefit from chilling out and spending less mental energy on it in that case
/r/seduction27/07/25 03:40 AM
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I can’t fathom why you’re wasting any mental energy on this
/r/seduction27/07/25 03:37 AM
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This is a great attitude to develop but based on your behaviour in the OP I don't think you believe it deep down yet You went for an approach in a semi-warm environment based on what you thought was an IOI and then got annoyed that you misread it The fact that you're still framing this as her "giving you a chance" is further evidence of this In another comment you talk about how if you don't be direct you get friendzoned — if this is your problem then I don't think you should practice being more…
/r/seduction26/07/25 04:01 AM
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Nice work, some ideas: I asked, calm and clear, “What’s your name?” This can work but I wouldn't make it your go-to because it's asking for far too much compliance, not as bad as opening by asking for the number but still pointlessly risky most of the time I replied — maybe a bit snidely — “It’s ‘cause I saw you looking at me…” This is pretty reactive, it seems like you're annoyed that you misread an IOI but that's not the girl's fault
/r/seduction26/07/25 03:52 AM
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If you skip girls with headphones daygame sessions become unviable, sooo many people are walking around with headphones There's also not much of a correlation between headphones and receptiveness
/r/seduction26/07/25 03:46 AM
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It took ages, mostly it was doing anti-approach anxiety exercises that transitioned towards doing direct openers (broadly — first ask people for directions, then ask women for directions, then ask women for café recommendations, then give compliments without necessarily trying to stay in set, then start committing to sets, then start increasing the proportion of sets you do). Had I been more consistent about it and made sure I was doing the exercises stacked together and at real volume probably …
/r/seduction26/07/25 03:40 AM
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Nice, that's a good insight. Being results-oriented while not actually practicing that much can be mentally draining. I felt the same before I started being able to approach regularly in daygame without dragging my feet — I was spending a lot of mental energy on it but in reality I wasn't doing that much actual work. I remember torturing myself mentally in similar ways when trying to meet women through dance classes and so on, I was constantly fatigued even though I wasn't even doing much other …
/r/seduction24/07/25 05:37 PM
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Yes, generic “self-improvement” is trash and a complete detour from learning seduction Keep jiu-jitsu or whatever if you’re genuinely passionate about it but not because you feel like it’ll improve your results with women, your main bottleneck is more likely to be volume and game than SMV In every other area of my life caring more about getting results has helped me, but here it seems like the harder I try the worse I do. Do you really apply the dedication you have to jiu-jitsu to meeting women?
/r/seduction24/07/25 07:03 AM
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Your advice is comically incomplete. Just going to those places if you don’t know how to open is a surefire why to wander around doing nothing and talking to no-one. Daygame has a low hit rate even for experienced people so I’m not sure why you’re advocating an absolute beginner “just go outside” as if that resolves everything on its own, if you want to make it work you have to be serious about the skill and effort it entails to create a viable funnel.
/r/seduction23/07/25 06:01 AM
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like if I want to get good at skiing and someone tells me to go to the ski slopes more often if my response was “well I live in an oasis in the Sahara desert” I would be rightfully laughed out of the room
/r/seduction23/07/25 05:53 AM
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Good job! The next step is to increase the number of approaches per session, I wouldn't worry too much about analysing your performance off of two interactions, it's only if you're regularly running into the same problem or your funnel is stalling somewhere specific then you need to reconsider
/r/seduction21/07/25 10:58 AM
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If you want to date for connection date through your social circle and wait for an average looking girl you connect with emotionally to pick you If you want to have more abundance than that then learn game
/r/seduction19/07/25 04:52 PM
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Attractive women have always been in demand lol Either learn game and step up to the plate or settle and stop complaining
/r/seduction19/07/25 04:51 PM
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The birth rate has absolutely nothing to do with dating
/r/seduction19/07/25 04:49 PM
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How did you manage to only do 100 approaches a year when going out 3 times a week + extra ones after work?
/r/seduction19/07/25 04:41 PM
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God why is it that every guy who insists on how being "authentic and relaxed" is the only thing to game always responds with vague nonsense when you ask for details on actual results Reread my comments and you'll realise you haven't actually answered my questions Whatever, this is my last response to you
/r/seduction17/07/25 06:21 PM
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better connections with women ... better time spent together Neither of these things are "tangible". I think it goes both ways, night and day game. How often do you do daygame relative to nightgame? Most of what you were saying about venue selection is not particularly relevant to daygame. IOIs are also much less common in daygame than nightgame.
/r/seduction17/07/25 06:04 PM
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According to you: The girls that you hooked up with like you and keep texting you. The people that you were friendly with continue to be friendly back. The girls that you hit on in a half-arsed way and didn't hook up with don't respond to your texts. And this is some sort of mystery?
/r/seduction17/07/25 05:30 PM
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I can't for the life of me figure out what the issue is here. Why do you care so much about whether people respond to you on Instagram? Not every person you chat with in life is going to become your best friend or text you constantly. Some are just fleeting interactions that don't blossom into anything else. I'm not sure why you even care about this or in what way this is a "Western" problem.
/r/seduction17/07/25 05:28 PM
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How much has this epiphany changed your tangible results? Also this is all about night game, not day game right?
/r/seduction17/07/25 05:21 PM
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It seems like you're a bit neurotic and anxious about meeting men that you like. You're young so you have a lot of time to learn about this but this is what you'd do well to be cognisant of so you can start overcoming it. This guy might like you, he might not. The main issue here is not whether he likes you or not, but that you're torturing yourself constantly wondering whether he likes you or whether any minor thing you did is some sort of horrible faux pas, rather than just enjoying the intera…
/r/seduction17/07/25 05:14 PM
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Again, that helps with spontaneous approaches on the way to things but in my experience you don't improve much or get that many dates if you don't do proper pickup sessions I don't think having an active social life gives you pickup skills automatically, you have to train pickup as a separate skill
/r/seduction17/07/25 04:54 PM
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This is true for doing opportunistic/spontaneous approaches as you go about your life but you should also be doing proper sessions at least once or twice a week to improve your skills and make sure you’re getting consistent volume in, there you really need to think in terms of where there is good volume
/r/seduction17/07/25 08:31 AM
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In my experience women approaching you to dance generally doesn’t convert to lays Women just like dancing
/r/seduction17/07/25 08:29 AM
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“Peepee poopoo” - Albert Einstein “Women be triflin’” - Thomas Jefferson
/r/seduction17/07/25 08:28 AM
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If he only does one or two per shop and comes across as reasonably socially normal this is extremely unlikely
/r/seduction17/07/25 08:27 AM
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I’ve done some approaches at bookstores but I find that the volume generally isn’t great. Half of the people there tend to be teenagers or pensioners. Best places are grocery stores, bigger department stores and shopping centres, busy streets and squares, public transport. Great that you’re approaching women as part of your commute. I would actually do the bookstore routine on weekdays and add a couple of other shops and do deeper sessions with more street approaches on the weekend But it really…
/r/seduction17/07/25 08:26 AM
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This all sounds like more drama than it’s worth tbh I wouldn’t bother responding to someone’s instagram story as a way to flirt either
/r/seduction17/07/25 08:20 AM
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It’s great that your skills are improving and that you’re celebrating this My question was about tangible results, not about skills It’s fine if your tangible results haven’t changed yet, it can take a while for that to catch up to refinements to the funnel, since obviously there is always an element of randomness to any interaction. I just think it’s important to discuss so we can properly analyse this
/r/seduction17/07/25 07:16 AM
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Could you please respond to the actual content of my comment rather than engaging in rhetorical tricks? My comment is obviously relevant to both of the "scenarios" you painted.
/r/seduction16/07/25 09:39 AM
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No, I don't think that. I think you're dead wrong.
/r/seduction16/07/25 09:35 AM
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Hey! In the future, could you base your responses on the actual content of people's posts rather than throwing around random accusations?
/r/seduction16/07/25 06:42 AM
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All he said in his OP was that some girls complimented his looks, not that he's "unbelievably attractive". Obviously no matter how attractive you are still going to get rejected a lot if you are at all proactive, and not every time a woman who gives you attention or flirts with you is going to actually pull through for dates or lays. Not sure what the point of browbeating OP on this is. You seem to just be here to posture and talk down to people.
/r/seduction16/07/25 06:40 AM
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You say it made a real difference. In what way / to what extent did your tangible results improve?
/r/seduction16/07/25 05:25 AM
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Noooo bro please don't practice seduction or try to actually learn anything ever! real effort and self-reflection are cringe bro Please just read this book by a shitty self-help marketer plzzzz bro trust meee
/r/seduction16/07/25 05:15 AM
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Also if you "barely meet five" women in a month you're not doing pickup at all, it seems like you're using hyperbole to normalise your own inaction It's totally fine not to bother with pickup if you want to focus on other things but don't justify this by lying to yourself about what it entails, you should be making an informed decision
/r/seduction16/07/25 04:51 AM
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Those are radically different numbers to the ones you claimed in your OP. 100 in a weekend if you only approach on weekends means 400-500 per month. A "few hundred" in a month also implies in the range of 250-450. 100 a day would mean you'd get 700 a week, and hit 1000 within a week and a half, meaning you'd be in the thousands by the end of the month. 50 a day means you'd be at 350 by the end of the week, and be far over 1000 by the end of the month. Those numbers are much, much higher than "a …
/r/seduction16/07/25 04:45 AM
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Why are you texting other people while you're with a girl / why is she looking over your shoulder while you're texting? Are you sitting around and texting on dates or what is the context to this?
/r/seduction16/07/25 04:27 AM
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But yeah we've all been there, at a certain point if you can get dates regularly you need to start getting more serious about what you want (filtering + escalating) otherwise it can feel like you're just going on dates randomly for nothing
/r/seduction12/07/25 03:25 PM
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I'm also a radical leftist but it seems like this girl is just repeating decontextualised slogans, which is pretty common among people who identify as radical leftists. It doesn't really matter either way, unless you disagreeing with someone's politics is a huge dealbreaker for you. She casually mentioned she was currently seeing a "booty call." Immediately after, she said "booty calls aren't really my thing, I just want to meet people." She's telling you she's promiscuous but doesn't want you t…
/r/seduction12/07/25 03:24 PM
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That’s not what “approach” means in this context
/r/seduction11/07/25 10:20 AM
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Yes, of course you do. We are not mind readers.
/r/seduction11/07/25 10:16 AM
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I haven’t read his book and don’t intend to but Manson is very obviously a generic self-help with nothing interesting to say
/r/seduction09/07/25 11:39 AM
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That’s like saying watch any movie you possibly can Obviously there are trash authors that aren’t worth your time. Manson is one of them
/r/seduction09/07/25 11:36 AM
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ah right sorry I misread this part of your comment: not even on themselves, just in the media in they consume?
/r/seduction07/07/25 09:30 PM
1

You don't think clubrats in Beverly Hills had heard lots of lines in the time PUA was codified?
/r/seduction07/07/25 08:56 PM
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He says that you just have to be "normal" but then gives you very specific instructions on how to behave like don't shake the girls hand (??), never mention a date during the first conversation (??), go for instagram not number (??), go for "low exposure girls" who will "do favours for you" (?????)
/r/seduction06/07/25 04:48 PM
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Sure, I guess that's a fair steelmanning of his argument. The only thing is that he nitpicks pretty much everything as "weird and cringy", including doing any warmups at all or even recording infield (except he also has infield now so what is it?) I wouldn't bother with this guy at all personally, everything is contradictions and nitpicking
/r/seduction06/07/25 04:19 PM
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Although it's hard to disagree with him in regards to his opinions on PUA's and their techniques (e.g pushpull and qualificaiton etc only 'appears' to work when you are her type) The thing is this idea contradicts his criticism! If it doesn't matter what you say, how is what all the PUAs saying wrong? If you are free to develop your own style and all that matters is being the girl's type, why is a style different to this bayne guy's invalid?
/r/seduction06/07/25 02:23 PM
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I am a native English speaker who writes for a living and I am telling you that several is less than many. Which dictionary told you that several and many are synonyms? Oxford, Merriam-Webster and Cambridge all disagree. Getting numbers consistently isn't particularly difficult (and if you settle for instagram it's even easier) and getting kisses in nightlife or on dates isn't that difficult either. I don't see how you can compare that to getting lays, they're in completely different categories.…
/r/seduction06/07/25 01:11 PM
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In my experience things happen :"without thinking" once I'm deep in a session and sometimes my brain turns off and I give in to the natural urge to approach. This doesn't seem to have that much bearing on whether any specific set pulls through, though
/r/seduction06/07/25 12:08 PM
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Attacking other gurus is a way to market yourself as a guru
/r/seduction06/07/25 12:06 PM
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It’s not about what it means “to me”, but what it means in English. Several means more than a couple but not many. Sure, maybe you misspoke, but in that case feel free to clarify… I think it’s crucial to be really specific about the breadth of your expertise if you’re going to present yourself as an authority — if cold approach is not a major way you sourced women then you’re not an expert on it. I don’t think that’s pedantic at all.
/r/seduction06/07/25 11:44 AM
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Bumping into an acquaintance who introduces you to their friend is not a set Make the habit of getting contact details from people you get along with in social circle. You don’t have to “isolate” or “win over the friend” if you’re already part of the group yourself
/r/seduction06/07/25 09:37 AM
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What I mean is that in one comment you say you have decades of field experience but in another comment you say that your entire breadth of experience is only “several” pulls
/r/seduction06/07/25 05:56 AM
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Catching up and approaching from the side also works
/r/seduction05/07/25 08:58 PM
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My suggestion is to learn the joy of talk and interact with people, any people, only for the casual talk and interaction sake, and for thar you have to develope a genuine interest in people in general. So then you can learn the timing and gut feeling of when to talk to people, how to talk with people and what talk with people in a genuine interest and genuine casual manner In my experience this didn't happen at all and to start getting dates regularly I had to make a specific effort to specifica…
/r/seduction05/07/25 08:56 PM
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I have no idea what city you even live in so obviously I can't give you advice that is tailored to your specific city I don't live in the US so I don't know much about Walmart or Costco, but I think those are more department stores than shopping centres. I think over there you call shopping centres "malls" how do you filter out the people getting to their cars and families? Why would you need to filter out people getting to their cars, what does that even mean?
/r/seduction05/07/25 08:08 PM
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I pulled several girls from cold approach back in the day I have nearly 35-40 years experience in the field, I’m not a “student”. Something is not adding up here
/r/seduction05/07/25 06:44 PM
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ah sorry I was reading the 10 days part doing it in a month is more reasonable although I think you'll still find that you'll end up dragging your feet and procrastinating because of how big the goal is and would be well-served taking more breaks but anyway let us know how it goes
/r/seduction05/07/25 06:42 PM
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Rock climbing and church are by definition not day game, bars are night game. Here are day game areas for getting volume: Shopping centres Busy streets and squares in city centre Trendy neighbourhoods with lots of cafes and restaurants
/r/seduction05/07/25 06:41 PM
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This is the equivalent of going to the gym and doing 1000 reps in a single day Your subconscious mind needs time to internalise the new habits Definitely most people are approaching too little but 1000 in a week is likely to burn you out and you're unlikely to be able to do point 4) of your mission consistently without prior experience
/r/seduction05/07/25 12:14 PM
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Yeah 95+% comments in this sub are completely useless I have yet to find a hobby sub where people are so averse to actually practicing or learning anything or even thinking at all
/r/seduction04/07/25 11:44 AM
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Learn to get good at talking to strangers I’m not sure why being South Asian is relevant
/r/seduction03/07/25 06:49 AM
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Getting three dates isn’t a terrible start The thing with cold approach is that what you get out of 100 approaches really depends on your ability to show interest in some capacity and stay in set/go for the close. Doing 100 good-effort approaches is easier said than done for a total beginner, and you’ll learn more from boxing them into a shorter period of time rather than spreading them out over the year (and if you can’t do this many in a reasonable amount of time you have to work on your abili…
/r/seduction03/07/25 06:45 AM
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I wouldn’t bother listening to this guy, he seems to be here to posture about how “objectively cool” he is, not actually help anyone. Look at his comment history — most of it is him calling people losers and arguing with people in toxic subs like “purplepilldebates” and presenting extreme ideological ideas about how seduction “should” be
/r/seduction03/07/25 06:39 AM
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Seduction isn’t “easy”, take that as your starting point
/r/seduction29/06/25 05:28 PM
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I thought only the “swear” part was worth responding to and my underlying argument wasn’t?
/r/seduction29/06/25 06:34 AM
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I’m a weird loser but you’re the one who comes here to posture about how you already know game but “can’t explain it”. Did you want to help OP or flatter your own ego? Have you considered that your comment is completely useless if you can’t explain anything?
/r/seduction29/06/25 06:31 AM
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Only or mainly? You’ve immediately contradicted yourself. I have lived in countries where prostitution is legal and countries where it’s illegal and I can’t say it’s changed dating dynamics at all
/r/seduction29/06/25 06:24 AM
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Note that “swear” is not the only word in my comment My main point is that it’s silly for you to browbeat OP and posture about how you already know this naturally when you have absolutely nothing to say
/r/seduction29/06/25 06:21 AM
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Definitely ask for hers. Anything where you’re forcing the woman to take care of escalation is going to lower your chances. Some women just won’t help out with escalation at all, or won’t help out at the specific stage you arbitrarily decided to hand them the ball.
/r/seduction28/06/25 06:11 PM
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Passing shit tests and being your authentic self are not incompatible at all
/r/seduction28/06/25 06:03 PM
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I don't know what I like in you, you are the one from 300 women that let me speak to them, but I am so desperate, let's go on a coffee date Yes, if this is what game was I agree it would be stupid. This is just something you made up in your own mind though. If you literally have to go through hundreds of women before finding one who is willing to chat a bit you have bigger problems than game.
/r/seduction28/06/25 05:53 PM
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You should focus on learning game rather than worrying about the location
/r/seduction28/06/25 05:49 PM
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I can assure you no woman in their right mind sees themself as competing with prostitutes in their dating life
/r/seduction28/06/25 05:48 PM
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If you can’t bring yourself to ask a more specific question than this it’s unlikely you’ll have the persistence and internal motivation to go through with it or the ability to reflect on your learning process
/r/seduction28/06/25 05:45 PM
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Talking to more girls is great advice Texting her a photo of other girls is totally pointless
/r/seduction28/06/25 05:41 PM
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Imagine being so pathetic that you feel the need to posture in this way on reddit of all places lol In future please refrain from posting here
/r/seduction28/06/25 05:40 PM
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He has no idea what he’s talking about honestly, it’s nonsense reddit advice that has no bearing on reality. Just talk to more girls, the fact that you got stood up once doesn’t mean you need to completely change your strategy The only thing is yes your texts were super reactive. Always check in in the morning if the plans are still on, and then if she still stands you up just go and talk to some other girls, don’t bother arguing with her about how she shouldn’t have stood you up
/r/seduction28/06/25 05:37 PM
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You want to invite her to things you are going to do with or without her either way People say this in on reddit all the time but I find that just inviting them on dates works better and is more fun Personally I like socialising much more than I like “activities and events” so me inviting a girl to an activity I enjoy is a contradiction in terms
/r/seduction28/06/25 05:35 PM
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I can't really explain it but when the friend dynamic shifts you just fucking know. It shouldn't be a question Wow what amazing insight “I can’t explain it” but I’m also going to swear and browbeat OP for even asking
/r/seduction28/06/25 05:32 PM
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Honestly I’m not really sure what you’re talking about. First of all, using vulgar banter over Instagram isn’t particularly low-risk strategy. Secondly, I don’t think looking for low risk strategies is a particularly sustainable way of learning game, over time you need to learn to take more risks. (But crucially they should be smart risks, not pointless ones…)
/r/seduction28/06/25 11:40 AM
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Nah escalation is more important
/r/seduction27/06/25 06:19 PM
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ChatGPT
/r/seduction27/06/25 06:17 PM
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In my experience women give their number out all the time and if insisting on social media is generally a polite rejection
/r/seduction27/06/25 05:34 PM
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Lmao none of my married coworkers avoid me “like the plague” what are you talking about
/r/seduction27/06/25 05:31 PM
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Just treat it like a shit test (look up how to deal with shit tests). Some percentage will still say no afterwards but some won’t Maybe you have to overcome the objection (you dont want only sex) before even she verbalize it? Definitely not this
/r/seduction27/06/25 05:29 PM
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It’s completely meaningless I read the exact same kind of post on blogspot when I was 16. I thought it was profound at the time but it did absolutely nothing for me The issue is just being less shy, that’s it. Not about being a good man or not being a good man, whatever that even means
/r/seduction27/06/25 05:25 PM
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The secret? Write four paragraphs of vague platitudes while congratulating yourself on how “authentic” you are.
/r/seduction27/06/25 05:23 PM
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I lived that life. It is so easy. It’s not. Most men can’t live that life. But more often than not, they would wise up and hate me. OK so you personally went from being irresponsible to becoming more well-rounded. Congratulations, but you didn’t discover anything particularly profound about “the” way to be successful.
/r/seduction27/06/25 05:17 PM
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What? I didn’t say he’s not trying to sell something. I said that the fact that advertiser copy can be written by ChatGPT doesn’t mean that ChatGPT writes all advertiser copy.
/r/seduction27/06/25 05:14 PM
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You’re moving the goalposts. This is what you said in your original post: In order to be really successful with women, you have to like and love women first and foremost Now you’ve retreated to a completely different position, namely “in order to *be satisfied** while still being successful with women…*”
/r/seduction21/05/25 08:53 AM
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This is all I can say. Love is an action. He does not feel like he loves women. You’re just redefining the terms in your premise rather than seriously considering the counterexamples. No, this is not what “love” means.
/r/seduction21/05/25 08:51 AM
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What if you are an “average man” living in a poor country and now have to compete with people from the US? Does that “correct the imbalance”?
/r/seduction21/05/25 08:45 AM
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ChatGPT does this because this is how copy editors write, not the other way around.
/r/seduction21/05/25 08:39 AM
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Not necessarily, we had lots of posts like this before ChatGPT was popular. This is just “advertiser copy”
/r/seduction21/05/25 08:38 AM
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Porn is bad, bikini photos are fine
/r/seduction19/05/25 10:02 AM
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Good luck!
/r/seduction17/05/25 08:07 PM
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You got rejected once and you’re reacting like this?
/r/seduction16/05/25 07:54 AM
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I’m going to approach just one woman tomorrow and I’m going to build up to ten or twenty approaches in the coming weeks. This is unlikely to be as simple as you think it is… when I started out I wasted a lot of time trying to psyche myself up like this and setting unrealistic goals rather than just being consistent about doing warmup exercises at volume (i.e. double digit interactions every session) I am prepared for either benign or harsh rejections and I’m aware that I might have to approach h…
/r/seduction16/05/25 07:51 AM
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The main thing is that I value quality time with close friends and wouldn't necessarily want to bring a girl I've just met into it. If I decide to incorporate someone new into that circle I would prefer to base it on whether they would get along with the group and not whether I'm trying to sleep with them. I also have a very close friend who's romantically interested in me (she's cute but shy and inexperienced and I don't really want a relationship, we also work together) and so I wouldn't want …
/r/seduction14/05/25 12:34 PM
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I would just be like, we’re having a gathering this Friday Personally I would hate doing this but I'm glad it's working for you
/r/seduction14/05/25 12:20 PM
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Well that's like saying that to build relationships, you have to build relationships. But that's assuming that your goal is to build relationships in the first place. The person you were responding to was criticising this section of OP's post: Talk to 100 girls. Get rejected 95 times. Land 5 dates if you’re lucky. Repeat. That kind of volume can work. But it’s not sustainable. It burns you out. It trains you to see it as a numbers game,
/r/seduction14/05/25 12:10 PM
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Look up “progressive desensitisation” in this sub Keep in mind it’ll take a long time to get better and after a certain point you should be doing double digit warm up interactions every time you’re going out, otherwise you won’t progress
/r/seduction14/05/25 06:43 AM
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And then I continue the interaction like normal, flirting, teasing, playfully challenging, escalation, etc. The problem here is that anyone asking OP’s question is unlikely to know how to do this well and so they probably can’t implement this strategy, as it only makes sense if you’re already coming from a place of abundance and can present you getting girls as a kind of fait accompli That’s why I think most of the time this question is a red herring — the guys who are most likely to ask it need…
/r/seduction14/05/25 06:41 AM
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You probably need to learn to flirt and escalate more, be more direct. There is overlap between “friend” attributes and “attraction” attributes but it is totally possible to get stuck on one side over the other, if you have lots of female friends but struggle with dating you’re probably very agreeable but not flirtatious or confident.
/r/seduction14/05/25 05:51 AM
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Yeah I also have an irregular work schedule and I find it much easier to make time for cold approach than for regular events and classes
/r/seduction14/05/25 05:51 AM
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Language meetups. I find that meetups for specific languages tend to be very small and full of old people. General meetups for foreigners tend to be better (depending on the city), but I don’t find myself connecting with the regulars that much so you’re left with the girls who aren’t regulars, which makes the approach less “warm” and not so radically different from a bar… Group workouts. I find that the activity is too distracting and it makes it hard to socialise. The only way to get dates from…
/r/seduction14/05/25 05:47 AM
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OP isn’t talking about building strong relationships, he’s talking about getting girls through your expanded social circle: That’s how social circle attraction works. That’s how familiarity builds comfort. That’s how you go from stranger to “interesting guy I kinda want to know” without having to approach thousands of times.
/r/seduction14/05/25 05:39 AM
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What? Are you sure you're not responding to the wrong thread here?
/r/seduction05/05/25 10:28 AM
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The Game actually underemphasises volume, he mostly brags about his successful approaches and the undiscerning reader can easily come to the conclusion that he had some magic method that would seduce everyone In any case the fact that Strauss was mentally unstable does not in and of itself discredit the entire field
/r/seduction04/05/25 10:07 AM
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It’s not a joke if you’re not at least trying to work your way up to doing this many approaches you are simply not doing pickup at all
/r/seduction04/05/25 10:06 AM
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You’re leaving lots of opportunities on the table if you only open from eye contact. Also how do you apply this technique to walking sets?
/r/seduction04/05/25 09:57 AM
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Some of Todd V’s videos are good although you still have to take it with a heaping of salt, he really underemphasises how much it is a numbers game and how much you still get rejected if you’re good James Marshall is also quite good although I find his YouTube channel to be structured in a confusing way Out of the people that have posted here the only one I remember distilling pickup into a directly learnable structure is Total Obligation 371 (I found his advice on AA and the numbers game invalu…
/r/seduction03/05/25 01:18 PM
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Both suck. Manson is a flip-flopping self-help guru who got his lays through orthodox PUA and then did a “wholesome” turn to become more mainstream. He is a huge opportunist who mostly traffics in lame platitudes and knowingly collaborates with other lying clout sharks like Sadia Khan. “The Game” is a gonzo erotic novel that can’t really teach you much about how to actually learn pickup. It’s just an opportunity the author to brag about how he talked to Britney Spears once and how he’s more ment…
/r/seduction03/05/25 12:05 PM
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Walking sets can and do work but you have so much approach anxiety at this point that that’s honestly the least of your worries
/r/seduction03/05/25 12:02 PM
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Ah no yeah, you’re right, sorry, I misread the context of your comment Definitely just having money isn’t enough if you don’t know how to convey your value in the right way
/r/seduction03/05/25 11:44 AM
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I already know you don’t like direct and semidirect openers. We know for a fact that all kinds of openers can work so I am not interested in having this theorybrained abstract discussion. Note also that we were talking about using compliments as warmups in a session as a way of reducing AA, not about using compliments as openers. So your response is entirely irrelevant.
/r/seduction03/05/25 11:41 AM
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Pay a coach for six days a week to teach you cold approach for a year Once you’re decent, buy a yoga studio or a modelling agency or something like that and use it to create a social circle with lots of attractive women in it
/r/seduction03/05/25 11:28 AM
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Your local 8/10 college guy likely has more situational status in whatever context he gets women from than Bill Gates does.
/r/seduction03/05/25 11:26 AM
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The fact that you think that there is some insight that is unique to Portugal is part of your problem when it comes to sealing the deal, I drop the ball As long as you actually go for the pull rather than dancing and making out for 10 hours this should be fine. Some girls will still fall off but when this happens just start from zero and approach more. as one girl told me, “you’re so obvious” This is a shit test
/r/seduction03/05/25 11:23 AM
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One of the girls I dated before getting into cold approach was like this, at the time it was kind of painful but I actually really cherish the experience because it taught me a lot about game The sex was great too
/r/seduction03/05/25 10:36 AM
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Fumbling once doesn’t prove that a strategy doesn’t work lmao
/r/seduction03/05/25 10:30 AM
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Great job on doing so many direct approaches in three weeks!
/r/seduction03/05/25 10:29 AM
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This is why it's important to understand where quotes come from and how the people who say them tend to think. If it’s so important why did you say nothing about it until I raised a counterpoint?
/r/seduction03/05/25 10:15 AM
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Sure, if you recognise that Turkey is a Muslim country then we have no disagreement. Keep in mind that this is in the context of “Apples into Snapples” calling Turkey a “liberal Muslim country” (which it is) and Sabalan claiming it is “not a Muslim country” (false) because it is “secular” (which is true but irrelevant).
/r/seduction03/05/25 10:13 AM
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There is a huge difference between “believing” and “observant”, and both exist on a sliding scale. For example, I know an Egyptian Muslim who believes in the shahada, practices namaaz and doesn’t drink. Otherwise she is mostly secular and socially liberal. She is both reasonably observant and under any reasonable definition a Muslim believer, but is not conservative…
/r/seduction03/05/25 10:12 AM
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Most quotes tend to be vague and left open to interpretation. Then my interpretation is just as legitimate and logical as yours, right?
/r/seduction03/05/25 09:47 AM
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Nice I’m glad that you’re speaking from experience and I’m sorry I assumed you didn’t. We often get women coming in here and speaking far, far beyond their level of expertise (which isn’t to say that this is representative of women in general, just as this sub isn’t representative of men in general), so that’s why I went on the defensive prematurely. Back to the topic: in that case surely you agree that it’s not necessary for someone to be at a football game or have an interesting shirt for you …
/r/seduction03/05/25 09:42 AM
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Yeah when you’re an absolute beginner who hasn’t already given dozens of compliments to strangers these kinds of comments are poison to your psyche. Obviously her frustration is perfectly legitimate but you shooting yourself in the foot and making yourself more neurotic isn’t going to stop disrespectful and pushy men from doing whatever they want. I would suggest you ignore comments like these and go out and approach more — if you feel like you need an excuse to approach you still have extreme A…
/r/seduction03/05/25 09:35 AM
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Sure those are all legitimate grievances The problem is that most guys who struggle with dating and look for advice online are ones who are neurotic and full of self-doubt, and so they need to spend less time thinking about women’s grievances because it makes their neurosis worse And I say this from experience. Once I started ignoring this shit I actually started having more positive experiences with women and started believing women like me at a deep level
/r/seduction03/05/25 09:32 AM
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No need to be witty on the open. How often do you open and what percentage of the time do you open “witty”? And have you noticed it changing your results?
/r/seduction03/05/25 09:29 AM
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Depending on the delivery and the girl’s personality corny lines can work
/r/seduction03/05/25 09:28 AM
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If I’m open to chatting, my body language and eye contact will make that obvious. Maybe you do but most women don’t make their interest obvious. Or more likely, I’ll just initiate myself if I’m interested and that person seems receptive. I’m 30 and I’ve been approached by women during the day twice in my entire life. Is that enough to have an abundant dating life?
/r/seduction03/05/25 09:27 AM
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I mean the quote is very vague and doesn’t say any of that, you’ve tacked this on after the fact
/r/seduction03/05/25 09:21 AM
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If you can't find some genuine common ground and it just boils down to "she's hot", your odds of a successful relationship are low anyway This isn’t true at all. It’s pretty easy to find commonalities with lots of people if you are at all socially normal. If you have normal social skills and go and talk to lots of attractive women you’ll end up having commonalities and good conversational chemistry with some portion of them. Like how often do you even initiate conversations with strangers? If yo…
/r/seduction03/05/25 09:19 AM
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Lmao what. How is awkwardly walking away and lingering around to see if she’s not leaving less creepy than just having a normal conversation Even if she doesn’t walk away she might be waiting for someone, have something to do in that place or assumed that it was a platonic compliment and you weren’t trying to start a conversation Literally how is this shit getting upvoted
/r/seduction03/05/25 09:10 AM
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I mean yes and no when you’re practicing any skill it’s good to do different kinds of drills
/r/seduction03/05/25 09:07 AM
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Which one? Azerbaijan is about as culturally different from Niger as the US is from Mongolia. You should at least narrow down the region.
/r/seduction03/05/25 09:03 AM
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Nice
/r/seduction03/05/25 09:00 AM
1

Most people in this forum are ultra-provincial Americans who half the time forget other countries exist (unless it’s some lame passport bro fantasy)
/r/seduction03/05/25 08:58 AM
1

The fact that the state was secular does not mean that most of the population was not made up of believing Muslims. You’re confusing Islam with Islamism.
/r/seduction03/05/25 08:56 AM
1

I once knew an Algerian guy who met his then-wife from cold approach in Algeria
/r/seduction03/05/25 08:54 AM
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Did you actually get any dates or lays from this epiphany or did you just talk to some cashiers?
/r/seduction03/05/25 07:52 AM
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If anything the general tenor in this sub is that there are no techniques at all
/r/seduction03/05/25 07:45 AM
1

Yeah reddit bros can’t imagine that not all women are instagram addicts
/r/seduction03/05/25 07:41 AM
0

So you admit that the entire premise of your post is wrong?
/r/seduction03/05/25 07:38 AM
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It’s “easier” but it’s also much more limiting in that it’s unlikely to happen particularly often Unless you hustle together a social circle that brings in new leads constantly but that’s not “easy” either
/r/seduction20/04/25 08:46 AM
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The fact that some of the compliments don’t land doesn’t mean it’s not worth doing
/r/seduction20/04/25 07:43 AM
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I mean in your experience, have you gotten more dates or lays from using more specific compliments in daygame? In my experience the exact type of compliment doesn’t seem to matter that much. In fact in my experience trying to make the compliments too specific can give you more approach anxiety because it feels like you’re looking for an excuse to talk to the girl rather than doing it because you want to
/r/seduction20/04/25 07:31 AM
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All good, women have totally different sexual psychology to men and many people insist on pretending this is not true so it can definitely be confusing! The more experience you get while practicing with the right attitude the more these things will click
/r/seduction20/04/25 06:47 AM
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I care(d) just because I was excited to meet a new person and have a mutually good time Totally fair to be disappointed or frustrated! My only point is it has nothing to do with her conventional attractiveness level. And I don’t really care that much about my hair. It’s only self deprecating if you actually give a fuck. How she reacts to it will depend on how she perceives it. It’s not just about it being self-deprecating, it’s about being overly rapport-seeking when she’s signalling she’s unsur…
/r/seduction20/04/25 06:46 AM
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I can understand why that would seem puzzling. It just has little to do with how conventionally attractive she is. Here is the general explanation: Men tend to date in a systematic way because they want sex, so generally if they’re at all interested and not massively second-guessing themselves they’ll try to move things forward. Women on the other hand (generally) don’t really care that much about getting laid but about the overall experience and are evaluating their interest from moment to mome…
/r/seduction20/04/25 06:40 AM
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I joked and said I just got a bad haircut so I’m nervous and she responded positively to that. Being self-deprecating as a response to a shit test is a bad idea If I’m honest, I’m higher on the attractiveness scale than this girl Then why do you care?
/r/seduction20/04/25 06:36 AM
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Why is that puzzling? Do you think every woman who is less conventionally attractive than you should automatically like you? Your entire attitude is wrong
/r/seduction20/04/25 06:35 AM
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You’re maintaining a hierarchical and adversarial attitude towards dating out if a fear of being hurt. You’re doing yourself a disservice by doing this
/r/seduction20/04/25 06:31 AM
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When starting out focus on showing intention on the opener (open with compliment) and close (say something to the effect of “I’d like to take you out for coffee” or whatever). For the middle bit just be normal, you can refine that later You really need to simplify the process, if you try to micromanage everything you either just 1) get overwhelmed and approach less or 2) end up coming across as awkward and neurotic or 3) end up overgaming and coming across as tryhard
/r/seduction20/04/25 06:18 AM
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Yes there’s always going to be a high percentage of “positive” sets that don’t pull through. At least some girls being flattered is something that can happen in most sessions if you approach regularly with compliments at any reasonable amount of volume. But that doesn’t mean you’re going to get laid almost every time you go out lol That said, here are some parts of your routine I’d cut out: excuse I don’t mean to disturb you If you want to do a statement of empathy say “I know this is unusual/ra…
/r/seduction20/04/25 06:15 AM
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Have you tested this?
/r/seduction20/04/25 06:08 AM
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What are you talking about? Yes going outside is a necessary step but you still have to open 99+% of the time and actively try for the hook most of the time too It’s like saying “just go the the gym” in the sense of being physically present there but not worrying about what exact exercises you’re doing
/r/seduction20/04/25 06:01 AM
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OP did not get more confidence to approach: but I was too much of a pussy to make a move
/r/seduction19/04/25 03:53 PM
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According to your own post it hasn’t though: but I was too much of a pussy to make a move
/r/seduction19/04/25 03:52 PM
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Due to the risk of STIs (for both you and your partner) and pregnancy. How promiscuous someone seems to be to you personally is not a reliable measure of whether they have caught an STI and it certainly has nothing to do with pregnancy.
/r/seduction11/04/25 04:06 PM
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Unfortunately there is big overlap between seduction and people who listen to alpha male podcasts
/r/seduction11/04/25 05:43 AM
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I've never met a poly person that didn't need therapy. As a neurochemist surely you understand that this is fallacious reasoning right? It's the biological (and therefore, social) norm as dictated to us by evolution. Human societies have shown massive variation across all sorts of parameters so not sure how one can speak of social behaviour being “dictated” by evolution. But yeah, if you feel like you're okay with me fucking your wife or girlfriend, I'll take you up on that. Just don't expect he…
/r/seduction11/04/25 05:41 AM
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You should wear condoms regardless of how seemingly promiscuous your partners are.
/r/seduction11/04/25 05:39 AM
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This is a self-limiting belief. Many friends I had also told me that the whole class hated you because you were of this ethnicity and they told me this for years and the whole class did as well. You were bullied in school and are carrying this trauma into adulthood.
/r/seduction11/04/25 05:35 AM
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Just lock eye contact if she feels you then you will get a green light to approach. Relying on IOIs is a really bad idea
/r/seduction11/04/25 05:32 AM
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Yes most guys are not regularly picking up chicks in nightlife even for guys it's happened for a couple of times it's a random luck of the draw thing rather than something they can get regularly
/r/seduction22/02/25 10:50 AM
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She has a better idea of what a good date is than you do
/r/seduction22/02/25 10:46 AM
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Yess I find it extremely rewarding
/r/seduction20/02/25 04:32 PM
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I don't care that you swore. I'm responding to this part — "It's just a suggestion" I know what you wrote was the suggestion. The question is: is the suggestion good? I argue you no.
/r/seduction18/02/25 08:39 AM
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Yes and I'm "just" disagreeing with your suggestion. I don't see why me mildly disagreeing with you warrants this reaction.
/r/seduction17/02/25 08:04 AM
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Or say hey I'm going to this cool bar with great burgers and some live music Saturday, you should join me. That says ur fun and will be having fun whether she shows or not. I don't agree, I think this is a pretty silly way to set up a date (unless you're doing some sort of social circle long play where you're inviting her to a group thing)
/r/seduction16/02/25 08:27 PM
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I’m a couple of cms below 180cm, which makes me by default extremely undesirable by most girls Dude what? That's not short at all what are you talking about. (Edit: I'll also just note your continued reluctance to use exact numbers...) if two guys approach a girl with literally the same sentences, one guy is like 175cm and the other is 188cm, we know who’s gonna go on a date with her The most likely outcome is that neither will regardless of height. Approaching completely cold is a numbers game …
/r/seduction08/02/25 09:53 PM
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most of them wanted to either exchange Instas or simply wished me a nice day Yeah and so them asking for your insta rather than giving you their number may have been a way to politely turn you down. Trust me, women do this. IF you have friends/followers and some decent presentable photos OK but you don't have this so why does it matter? I'm not saying exchanging social media is not viable: I'm saying that if a woman will only give you social media after you ask for the number that's most likely …
/r/seduction08/02/25 09:50 PM
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How many is "countless"? In my experience at least in the context of daygame a girl wanting to add you on social media is evidence of low interest and timewasters anyway. For girls that I've got on dates or hooked up with I didn't have any issues getting the number. (I'm definitely under 190cm fyi.)
/r/seduction08/02/25 09:38 PM
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Did they tell you that?
/r/seduction08/02/25 08:23 PM
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I'm not saying it's your fault. I'm saying that you're using an exceptional case to make general and totalising pronouncements about rejection. I agree you're in a difficult situation and cold approach might not be the best or fastest avenue for you to improve it. I wouldn't bother comparing yourself to Elon Musk — he hasn't been diagnosed to my knowledge and clearly has other emotional issues that prevent him from having good relationships with anyone.
/r/seduction08/02/25 08:22 PM
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Almost every 7/10 woman regularly goes to "lavish skiing hotels"?
/r/seduction08/02/25 08:19 PM
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if that girl who gave you her number was the very first girl who you had anything related to dating with well yeah if you're that inexperienced betting all your chips on cold approach is probably a bad idea. but your example is really extreme, having a single girl giving you their number being the only thing that's ever happened to you would make you exceptionally inexperienced
/r/seduction08/02/25 08:16 PM
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women, whose life consists of constant partying and meeting with many friends, yoga sessions, tennis, travel to a new country every week, lavish skiing hotels etc? Who are these women that are spending all their time at lavish skiing hotels?
/r/seduction08/02/25 08:14 PM
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then consider this stuff as a phase and try to sleep with as many women as possible, once you have a high body count you would automatically get over this bullshit and if you are not getting the results, just move to the next thing This is contradictory, no?
/r/seduction08/02/25 03:14 PM
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most women find "social media attention" much less emotionally salient than terminally online reddit bros imagine
/r/seduction07/02/25 08:54 AM
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She still had sex with that guy who didn't use a condom and it wasn't rape from what it sounds like No-one claimed it was rape. What a weird comment to make. she's spinning a narrative Or she just genuinely shared a bad experience she had?
/r/seduction07/02/25 08:47 AM
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You still don’t get the point at all it is wild. It's not that he didn't understand it, it's that your point is largely irrelevant to the topic of the thread. When you actually understand that you won’t ever be a victim or just a passenger in life There are plenty of people who are reasonably successful in one or two fields (or have "high vocabularies" or whatever), but aren't particularly good at getting laid.
/r/seduction07/02/25 08:43 AM
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Getting there is the hard part. Especially when you worry about the outcome. There are no shortcuts. Start somewhere, maybe a canned opener, and level up from there. This is what makes the importance of "vibe" not particularly useful advice for beginners or lower-intermediates. Sure it might be true but what use is this knowledge to anyone who is learning? It's essentially saying that to have good game you have to have good game.
/r/seduction12/01/25 01:17 PM
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Is it only for attention? I'd never try to arouse a girl without the intent of any romance so I don't get why someone would do that. Women are picky about who they'll hook up with but will still sometimes enjoy male attention and flirtation for its own sake (as a general tendency). This is just part of the game and something you have to accept and get used to. Either enjoy the dance for what it is or try to escalate and move on if it doesn't work. A girl wanting to dance with you can be a good s…
/r/seduction12/01/25 10:28 AM
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Looking at your post history you've unfortunately had a difficult upbringing that's given you internalised negative attitudes towards sexuality and dating. I think you would likely benefit from 1) completely cutting out Reddit (especially really pernicious forums like "dating_advice" and "passportbros") 2) deal with your issues with general socialisation that go beyond dating (just talk to more people and make more friends in general) and 3) consider getting a therapist if you can afford it sinc…
/r/seduction10/01/25 09:03 AM
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I think that's only true for attractive guys or guys who have game. Do you think guys outside of the West who are not attractive or do not have game have abundant dating lives? 20% are killing it, rest are struggling. Depends on what you mean by "struggling". Most normal dudes end up going on some dates here and there and end up in normal relationships in due time. A close friend of mine who's shorter than average and doesn't have amazing game (the one thing he gets right is that he generally ha…
/r/seduction10/01/25 08:54 AM
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the West is fine there is no country in the world where normal dudes have an abundance of dates and hookups with little effort/skill if anything gaming in socially liberal and developed countries with high levels of social trust is easier than in countries that are poorer and more conservative (unless you're from a wealthier country and levering your status there — but that doesn't reflect the experience of the average guy who grew up there)
/r/seduction09/01/25 04:28 PM
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gym 1 hour 6x a week Six times a week is probably too much (unless you just really love going to the gym). Indicates that you're trying to "perfect" yourself in order to deserve women (bad inner game). lost 70 pounds Good work! :) even reaching out to old female friends from high school on social media to ask to hang out This is indicative of desperation (bad inner game). I checked your comment history and found your routine: “Excuse me, sorry to interrupt you while you’re (shopping, working, et…
/r/seduction09/01/25 04:15 PM
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Seems like he doesn't want a relationship but wants you to want it to flatter his ego Many such cases Now there's nothing wrong with giving someone a hug or eating with someone (unless that's a boundary you want to set) but the "don't fall in love with me" and "you're only mine" stuff seems pretty manipulative
/r/seduction09/01/25 10:10 AM
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I doubt this is the "real" reason — if this was dispelled you would probably still have other rationalisations and excuses. You're afraid of embarrassment and uncomfortable situations in general. Step one is to not delude yourself about what your situation is.
/r/seduction09/01/25 09:55 AM
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All true but on the other hand people have different priorities in life. Part of my journey into pickup was connecting with guys like the ones you described in your post and ultimately getting frustrated at how lazy they were as wings, but I eventually realised that they're making the right decision for themselves because they just don't care enough (and why should they?).
/r/seduction09/01/25 09:34 AM
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you must be in a really small "city" if you struggle to find attractive girls there edit: this is literally just true. if you can't find hot chicks in Munich, Berlin or Hamburg you're either blind or lying to yourself
/r/seduction09/01/25 09:27 AM
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Im not a woman, so I feel like they are the only ones qualified to answer I’d strongly advise against learning pickup from people who don’t do it
/r/seduction01/01/25 12:19 AM
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All of us are changing ourselves to make us more attractive to woman This comes from becoming more confident over time not from “trying to be smooth”
/r/seduction01/01/25 12:18 AM
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You’re just rusty. Get back in field, be patient and relearn game.
/r/seduction31/12/24 10:24 AM
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You already have her contact info, have already met her one on one, and now you’re still worrying about how to ask her out? This doesn’t make any sense at all.
/r/seduction31/12/24 10:21 AM
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Try being ultra easy going and smooth. That type of person that makes others feel comfortable immediately. This isn’t something you can reverse-engineer just by talking about it and someone like this is still going to get some negative reactions. They are going to be nervous about a new man. Any smart woman would be somewhat apprehensive. This isn’t really true, or at least not in the totalising way you’re presenting it. In daytime pickup you get a wide pretty range of interactions — some are im…
/r/seduction31/12/24 10:03 AM
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You’re likely still afraid of a form of social rejection, i.e. being branded a creep or scary (essentially casting you as being outside of society in some way). In any case, if that’s all you’re afraid of then there’s an exceedingly easy fix — go ask 10 women for directions. You’ll quickly realise that most women are not particularly afraid of normal men during the day, and one or two (potentially even more) are likely to be friendlier than they needed to be. That’s not pickup in and of itself b…
/r/seduction31/12/24 09:59 AM
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“In order to get good results u have to put time and effort into it” This is a very controversial statement in this sub unfortunately.
/r/seduction29/12/24 04:00 PM
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that's fair. I had already followed enough pick up gurus by that point that there weren't any particularly new "snippets of advice" in there at all... and in fact I don't really like learning skills through "snippets of advice", generally I find it more helpful to have a cohesive framework. But I can see why it would have been interesting when it came out
/r/seduction28/12/24 09:35 AM
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Nightgame definitely has serious drawbacks but so does daygame. For me the main issues with nightgame are: As a beginner with lots of AA it's harder to get going since everyone is in groups (this isn't super relevant for me anymore but it definitely was when I was starting out, I found daygame much more immediately accessible) Depending on your work schedule you may or may not be able to get away with losing a lot of sleep (and in some cities nightlife only really properly gets going past 11 pm …
/r/seduction24/12/24 04:13 PM
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If you’re asking this you likely have too much approach anxiety to properly take advantage of easier venues anyway
/r/seduction23/12/24 07:20 PM
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Yeah IME there’s not much you can really learn from The Game, it’s more of an erotic novel and a chance for the author to brag about having talked to Britney Spears once than a pickup manual
/r/seduction23/12/24 07:19 PM
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Ive gotten numbers from coffee shops but they flake just as often as any other daytime interaction IME. So far all of my dates and lays have been from public transport, the street and shops/shopping centres edit: what's with the downvote? am I supposed to lie and say that I had more success in coffee shops than other venues even though I literally didn't?
/r/seduction23/12/24 07:17 PM
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Cold approach isn't seduction, which makes it off topic. Is meeting people on reddit seduction? This thread doesn’t mention learning skills and techniques at all. The very moment you have prepared how to have a conversation with a person with your goals in mind, it's now warm approach. You are the only person who uses the terms this way. This is extremely idiosyncratic usage.
/r/seduction22/12/24 08:28 AM
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Sure but you mindlessly delete threads with the nonsensical statement “cold approach isn’t seduction” and yet let ones like this stand where seduction isn’t discussed at all and it’s all about platform
/r/seduction19/12/24 03:19 PM
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“Cold approach isn’t seduction”, but trawling reddit for hookups is I guess lol
/r/seduction19/12/24 10:19 AM
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Honestly, asking about my dog would totally work on me Yes, you’re right that this is more an issue of style than technique — I have my own go-to indirect openers that reflect my own personality and interests. But even still, in my experience relying on those openers is very limiting and you have to branch out at a certain point. So it is (or can be) an “issue” if overused over the course of a pickup career, even if it can work in a single interaction. The dude you described has terrible game so…
/r/seduction18/12/24 07:53 AM
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This mostly doesn’t matter. Her reaction is going to depend more on how she felt on the first date than on what your text is — if she wants to see you she wants to see you keep it simple and say something like “hey want to do activity on day of week”
/r/seduction18/12/24 07:26 AM
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True although it’s also possible (and probably more common among people learning game in a structured way) to have the opposite problem — where you’re so neurotic and afraid of coming across as a creep that you jump out of sets for no good reason
/r/seduction18/12/24 07:20 AM
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Yeah that dude was pretty lame. Two massive mistakes: -mindlessly asking indirect question after indirect question when the set hasn’t hooked -being reactive about rejection Making the conversation about the dog is also a bit of a crutch. I’ve personally never done this because I hate dogs but I can see why it would be OK for training wheels (definitely silly as a bread and butter routine though IMO).
/r/seduction18/12/24 07:17 AM
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Have you been cold approaching for ten years?
/r/seduction17/12/24 09:19 AM
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Honestly I agree, I find women in their late 20s and 30s quite attractive, and in my circle I see most people settling down with people of a similar age Anyway I wouldn’t take this sub’s views as representative of your dating prospects
/r/seduction17/12/24 07:21 AM
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Deep down you know I’m right You should not be spending mental and emotional energy on women who’ve rejected you
/r/seduction16/12/24 01:42 PM
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Sure but that’s all irrelevant to my comment. I’m not arguing about the ethics of cheating, but responding to the statement “no game is needed”.
/r/seduction16/12/24 01:33 PM
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That's not a zen state mate that's scurvy
/r/seduction16/12/24 08:09 AM
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The fact that you're even thinking about this is part of your problem
/r/seduction16/12/24 08:05 AM
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What a ridiculous statement. Just because someone cheats doesn't mean they don't have any criteria for attraction
/r/seduction16/12/24 07:21 AM
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Women use "technique" (in the sense you're using the term) generally to filter (to see if you're what they're looking for) or to get more attention/commitment out of you. If they're "seducing" you because they're already down they'll just make things easier for you (automatically making things man to woman or even taking care of some, but very rarely all, of the steps in escalation).
/r/seduction10/12/24 10:53 AM
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Being present and in the moment isn’t strictly necessary. Focusing too much on your inner game is a trap since thinking about not being in your head just makes you more in your head. Just go out and do your approaches — you’ll notice you’ll naturally get more relaxed over time
/r/seduction06/12/24 07:53 AM
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It’s just approaching women saying some version of “ur pretty give me your number” There is not a single coach that advocates closing on the open. Of course you have to talk to the woman and vibe a bit. Trying to close on the open is terrible form and yes your success rate from it will be very low. Now I have lots of female friends Ah, Ok. Glad you’re enjoying that. I’ve had lots of “female friends I cherish” since kindergarten essentially so this was not something I’ve personally ever struggled…
/r/seduction06/12/24 07:38 AM
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yeah high school or undergrad, otherwise it's unlikely you're going to have an extended social circle full of viable targets unless you really try to hustle one together
/r/seduction05/12/24 04:06 PM
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Manson being contradictory and vague is very common criticism of his book. There's a lot of that in the self-help industry Based on his videos I don't believe he has anything particularly interesting to say honestly
/r/seduction05/12/24 09:47 AM
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I think OP’s post is based on the assumption that you’re 15
/r/seduction05/12/24 08:59 AM
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Should I go for a bold approach and ask him about his hobbies There’s nothing particularly bold about asking someone about their hobbies. I want to make sure our first interaction is fun and memorable. You’re overthinking.
/r/seduction05/12/24 07:52 AM
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I agree that OP probably shouldn't use canned direct openers just yet. In fact he is so highly neurotic and awkward that I think he should start by talking to strangers he's not attracted to. His entire mindset is wrong and is born out of scarcity and fear so to the extent he manages to open at all he's probably going to make a million body language mistakes regardless of the exact form of the opener. Going on about the “journey” is irrelevant because people’s advice isn’t based on the general, …
/r/seduction05/12/24 07:15 AM
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Depending on where you’re at in your journey it’s actually really important to open in ways that “lack thought” since when you’re a beginner the most important thing is to open a lot to lose the fear of approaching and gain positive reference experience. Over time you can get more creative. The comment you’re replied to has effectively said the same thing as me. That’s not true. The comment I was responding to made a false claim.
/r/seduction05/12/24 06:54 AM
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I find “I thought you were cute and wanted to meet you” works pretty well during the day. No need to get too creative since the girl’s reaction is going to have more to do with whether she’s single and you’re her type, plus your body language and presentation and how the interaction as a whole goes, than the exact wording of the opener. Most attractive women are used to being complimented. This is true (unlike the claim I was responding to, which is false).
/r/seduction05/12/24 06:41 AM
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I’ll just note that you did not respond to my two questions which are crucial to understanding your situation. I meant approaching groups is hard to calibrate. Sure, there are more confounding variables and it’s a bit harder to open direct for sure. My only avenue to get laid at the moment is pay for play Don’t do this. I will try tinder in the new year From what I understand Hinge is a bit better for normal dudes. Tinder is essentially a fuckboy catalogue for girls, if you don’t fit that profil…
/r/seduction03/12/24 10:31 PM
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It's unlikely anyone is getting dozens of compliments a day in normal cities, especially from men who are well put-together (i.e. not including obvious cat-calling and harassment). Maybe if they're regularly walking through Manhattan or something.
/r/seduction03/12/24 03:49 PM
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Approaching groups isn’t uncalibrated, who taught you that? Also it's a small city but the only city I can get to cheaply How small are we talking? Are there any other cities nearby you can maybe go to at least for a couple of hours on Saturdays? EDIT: Based on your comment history I think you have serious issues with your fundamentals and your SMV and would benefit from taking a break from cold approach and getting laid from at least some other avenue first, especially if you've been at this fo…
/r/seduction03/12/24 07:02 AM
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despite being a solid 9/10 If you want to improve your consistency you’re going to have to kill your ego and let go of this idea of you being a “9/10” meaning you should be rejection-proof.
/r/seduction02/12/24 04:15 PM
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It’s going to be tough to get consistent results from cold approach if you’re only doing 2-4 per session. Hey, nice to meet you earlier, I am free on such and such a day. Come out, it will be fun ;) I’d say this is a bit too much for the first text
/r/seduction02/12/24 03:55 PM
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The goal is connection not how many women can you approach in the shortest amount of time. How much you “connect” with a girl has much more to do with her personality type and whether you’re each other’s type than whether she was walking or standing when you met her. An alternative to that is just approaching a woman in an environment like a bar or a grocery store or a cafe. How often do you do this and what are you percentages?
/r/seduction02/12/24 11:10 AM
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What I mean is you should be clear about whether you're trying to "find love" or just party, travel and have flings because they're different goals
/r/seduction29/11/24 08:02 AM
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Great example of someone posturing about how great they are rather than actually talking about anything relevant to seduction Improve to the point where you'll attract most everybody This is impossible
/r/seduction29/11/24 07:22 AM
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At this point your main issue is very likely to be approach anxiety. Google search "approach anxiety" and "progressive desensitization" and add search:(the URL of this sub).
/r/seduction28/11/24 09:42 AM
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Just treat the parties as you would any house party or social mixer event. If you end up having a longer conversation or dancing more than once with someone get their number and set up a hangout later. Also consider trying out different schools — I went to one dance school for a year which wasn't as social and had a very high average age and then switched to another one which was much better for meeting people. People on this sub often advise not meeting girls in class and only doing it at the p…
/r/seduction28/11/24 07:26 AM
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Your entire framework here is wrong and I'm surprised no-one has pointed this out yet. Looking at people who are very good at a skill and trying to figure out what their "secret" is isn't how you break into developing a skill. It will always destroy your motivation because the chasm between where you are and these guys are is way too big. What you need to do is practice regularly and get steadily better at the skill, and compare yourself to yourself in the past, not to anyone else.
/r/seduction28/11/24 07:17 AM
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Dancing can be a lot of fun but being good at it isn't strictly necessary for success in night game and is largely irrelevant to day game. You're fine — just go out and commit to doing your approaches. If you can't approach yet do AA-beating exercises.
/r/seduction28/11/24 07:13 AM
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It takes like two seconds to send someone a text The same women that would give me their number is the same women who text me later on after giving them my number Have much have you split test this to know?
/r/seduction27/11/24 07:32 PM
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There are some good guys sprinkled in here who know what they’re doing or are actively learning, so I guess my hopes were to hear from those types! I think even those guys would only be able to offer you limited advice since they're not experienced with dealing with men in a romantic or sexual context, just with being men. Not that there's nothing you can learn from us but you'll definitely have to read between the lines and contrast it with your own experience. In any case good luck and I hope …
/r/seduction27/11/24 02:04 PM
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You’re conflating pursuing and being proactive with being tryhard. Of course you shouldn’t be tryhard, but that’s extremely basic and there’s much more to this than that.
/r/seduction27/11/24 01:03 PM
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How not to get laid 101. In social situations, talk to everyone all the same and look your best Why are you talking about "social situations" when OP is talking about daygame?
/r/seduction27/11/24 11:53 AM
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attraction is usually obvious in some way This isn't really true in my experience, there are plenty of times where it can be fairly ambiguous and things end up working out or where seemingly overt interest and enthusiasm don't go anywhere. There is too much of a range in people's personality types and attitudes towards dating and the opposite sex for this to be reliable.
/r/seduction27/11/24 11:47 AM
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I don't think that's true as a universal rule ("never"). There have been plenty of times where I was fairly clear about pursuing someone and I still got laid. I'm open to the idea that to get really advanced at seduction you have to be more subtle, but I'm not sure how you can get to that point without interiorising systematic escalation first.
/r/seduction27/11/24 11:44 AM
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unless the guy was coming on to her in a way she didn't want? One reason is she simply wasn't attracted or had a low interest level regardless of the "way" he pursued her.
/r/seduction27/11/24 11:22 AM
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I've had this happen even while exchanging numbers, it's not necessary to not take the girl's number for this to happen. You can just send a basic "hi this is x" message on the spot so she has your number and then there will be times where the girl continues texting and starts a conversation with you.
/r/seduction27/11/24 11:19 AM
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You're tanking your percentages by doing this. Plenty of women who are down won't text first. Yes there is an even higher percentage of women who'll just give you the number because it's easier to that than to say no but you should care more about ensuring your wins are wins rather than making your losses less embarrassing.
/r/seduction27/11/24 11:12 AM
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This is the mistake most men make Even if I were to accept your premise, it does not follow that OP specifically is making this mistake. Maybe he is in the minority of men who make other mistakes. logically speaking, the reason women have to push him away is because he is coming on too strong This is not "logic." This is you simply restating your conclusion.
/r/seduction27/11/24 11:04 AM
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In my experience trying to do this just makes you second-guess yourself too much and makes you even more nervous and needy. Just escalating systematically and getting your ego out of it works a lot better. Of course don't overtext but other than that constantly trying to gauge whether you're showing her less interest than she is is too much mental effort for little gain.
/r/seduction27/11/24 06:43 AM
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You're being too pushy and needy Huge extrapolation based on a very limited post. OP has not described his initial approach/interactions with women so not sure where you're getting this from. More likely these are just timewasters and he needs to pursue other women...
/r/seduction27/11/24 06:41 AM
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Most adult men never stop acting like teenagers when it comes to dating. Most dating gurus really can't help themselves when it comes to putting men down in the first line of their posts.
/r/seduction27/11/24 06:36 AM
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Yes I'd say you're not going to be well-served here as a woman unless you want insight into the mindset and challenges of 1) men struggling with dating and 2) men who are training to become womanisers. Some of the advice given here will have a grain of truth in it but for the most part it's going to be coming from a place of male insecurity rather than understanding what constitutes female success.
/r/seduction27/11/24 06:34 AM
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We spent all night drinking, chatting etc and when I would be completely candid with girls about my virtues and goals in life and where I’m at as a person, they visibly saw me less and less as a prospective lay. lmao this sub is a fucking joke got to the masjid with this shit why are you even on seddit
/r/seduction24/11/24 09:57 AM
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Work on your game and your SMV and don’t listen to the crab in the bucket racists in here
/r/seduction08/11/24 09:24 AM
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Ok, it did play a part, but I didn't have to do a lot of it How much is “a lot”? What I meant was that I went from being rejected all the time to usually pulling at least someone almost every time. Ah OK. I found that I was getting success from canned openers, as I said. And then using canned openers allowed me to improvise more as well, giving me even more success. Also — have you ever tried to game in your second language? I mostly game in my sixth language now (because I happen to live where …
/r/seduction02/11/24 02:15 PM
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Yeah I’m sure OP’s coworkers are pining for him and not just starting conversations out of politeness/boredom In what world is it notable for coworkers to talk to you? What kind of workplaces are you people working at?
/r/seduction02/11/24 06:37 AM
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You’re using a sample size of “a few” and nothing has happened other than some women talking to you. There’s nothing particularly notable about coworkers talking to each other.
/r/seduction02/11/24 05:55 AM
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Why do you believe you would have been able to make this shift without the awkward/unsuccessful approaches you did beforehand? How do you know it was not an integral part of the learning process? I went from getting rejected to somehow pulling them back to my place to fuck the same day. I got a girl back to my place on the same day using a canned pretense opener (“do you know any good cafes around here”)… so now what? So you never get rejected now or what’s the deal? Surely you still rejected a …
/r/seduction02/11/24 04:48 AM
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No it’s just been my real lived experience that 1) when I cared massively about not doing anything canned or corny I had extreme approach anxiety and my game sucked 2) when I started doing more canned approaches (both pretense openers and then later direct openers; also canned “social” openers in bars) even my sets started with contextual openers massively improved If you could magic your way into being advanced by not practicing almost at all then you must be exceptional Honestly my game got be…
/r/seduction01/11/24 06:37 PM
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Turning off the filter comes from doing lots of approaches Canned openers help you do more approaches
/r/seduction01/11/24 05:47 PM
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Canned openers are fine Embrace the corniness You wanting not to be corny is just you protecting your ego
/r/seduction01/11/24 04:42 PM
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If you know someone by name you can just say “hi (name)”
/r/seduction01/11/24 12:35 PM
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In my experience investing time in chasing women made my dating life better I found my calling at 13 and am extremely successful at it but it didn’t do much for my dating life Obviously you shouldn’t spend lots of money on dates but that’s because it’s very obvious bad game. The problem here isn’t that you were prioritising dating, but that you were dating with very bad form — if you lift weights with bad form you can hurt yourself, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t go to the gym
/r/seduction01/11/24 07:12 AM
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Why would you use a direct opener on someone you already know? It would make more sense to work the compliment into the conversation.
/r/seduction01/11/24 04:58 AM
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You have a lot of pretty severe misconceptions about how game works.
/r/seduction31/10/24 05:57 PM
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155k is tough for learning. If you’re serious about learning game you would benefit from figuring out to how to move to a 300k+ city, or at least traveling to bigger cities on a monthly basis to get more volume of practice in. Otherwise, you’ll probably benefit more from sticking to expanding your social circle. Also you should look to cultivating more serenity around rejection regardless of how many options you have…
/r/seduction31/10/24 08:27 AM
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What population does your town have?
/r/seduction31/10/24 08:03 AM
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What is wrong with having basic manners? If you’re running any sort of real volume getting rejection text after rejection text is just clogging up your phone with useless information. There are countless excuses that could be made not to give out a phone number. Reason 2) deals with this. What does that even mean. It means if you were coming from a place of abundance you wouldn’t care about things like this.
/r/seduction31/10/24 07:24 AM
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The fact that you felt the need to write six paragraphs in response to two sentences is what I mean. I don't think all men deserve to be treated and viewed like they are the bad ones or only looking for sex or only looking for prostitute level interactions. I agree with this.
/r/seduction31/10/24 07:13 AM
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OP has been nothing but gracious towards you and in response all you do is go deeper and deeper into this self-victimising narrative. You need to learn to put aside these feelings of inherent victimhood and stop consuming men’s rights content not only for your emotional health but also to achieve minimal intellectual clarity.
/r/seduction31/10/24 03:47 AM
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probably feels equivalent to kinda being asked for money imo This isn’t true in my experience. I know plenty of women who gush over how great their “hoe phase” was or equivalent neutral to positive attitudes towards casual sex. I see women take this tack online a lot but in the real world they seem to have a completely different perspective… why more and more women are going into sex work/only fans because they’re giving up on the dating market I think the “rise of OnlyFans” is massively overblo…
/r/seduction31/10/24 03:35 AM
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Sometimes in the moment I’m excited and just feeling flirty! Thank you! This is exactly how women think and the most successful seducers internalise the same mentality.
/r/seduction31/10/24 03:24 AM
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You've given someone your phone number, knowing the reason is that they think you want to communicate further. Women are 1) non-confrontational so they find it easier to give the number and not respond than to say no and 2) women see flirting as an end in and of itself and don’t necessarily care about taking things to the next level. I’d suggest you take a look at Vagabond Dating’s video “Female Fickleness Explained” which goes into more detail on this topic. "Hey, nice chatting, but I've realis…
/r/seduction31/10/24 03:23 AM
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I just don’t think it’s some sort of sober cost-benefit analysis but more what feels right in the moment I also think there’s an underlying biological tendency to this since even good seducers will be rejected more often than not if they’re actually running real numbers Men and women experience attraction in fundamentally different ways at a biological level
/r/seduction30/10/24 06:33 PM
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I agree with you, big part of the fun of casual sex is exploring chemistry and feeling mutual desire
/r/seduction30/10/24 06:29 PM
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I don’t think 90% of men would buy sex if only it was cheap enough, I feel like you’re projecting
/r/seduction30/10/24 06:29 PM
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If that was the main reason comfort would be more important than value in seduction but it’s not really I think if none of those things were issues we’d still have roughly the same sexual dynamic playing out, if reduced by a bit
/r/seduction30/10/24 06:28 PM
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Do progressive desensitisation. Do whatever you’re able to do now (even if it’s just asking men and old ladies for directions) and then move your way up.
/r/seduction30/10/24 06:16 PM
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You need to go out and do practice sets to get positive reference experience
/r/seduction30/10/24 06:55 AM
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Unambiguous IOIs are even less common in daygame
/r/seduction29/10/24 08:21 AM
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I think it makes more sense to just invite her to a venue that’s near her place, being overly coy doesn’t work particularly well in my experience. Women like it when it’s clear that you want to get to know them/desire them and it’s not just about being “in the area” or “I’m doing x want to join”. Now I wouldn’t discount out of hand that there might be some way of being coy that works at an advanced level but at beginner/intermediate just being clear that you want to meet the girl seems to work b…
/r/seduction29/10/24 07:53 AM
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I find women 25-35 way hotter than women in their early twenties personally
/r/seduction28/10/24 05:31 PM
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I don’t see the point of the whole I’ll be in your area thing
/r/seduction28/10/24 10:38 AM
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Consent is important but it’s not strictly necessary for affirmative consent to be verbal.
/r/seduction28/10/24 08:13 AM
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Lame
/r/seduction22/10/24 12:04 PM
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It’s not game over. You’re already doing the right things by working towards losing weight and improving your game by being more social and approaching more. (Just keep in mind that for losing fat diet is much more important than gym.)
/r/seduction19/10/24 06:35 PM
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It can just be a first encounter where you didn't even talk, but acknowledge the other people's existence, can be with just eyes meeting or a small conversation," can you pass me the salt ". Then leaving and at another encounter do the cold approach. That's not what "cold approach" means. If you walk up to a girl and just say "hi, how are you" out of the blue I get that, that's not a great opener.
/r/seduction19/10/24 10:42 AM
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Maybe I should have added she wouldn't be attracted to me as such If I did it in a club, party or city square How do you know this?
/r/seduction19/10/24 10:37 AM
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I think he meant that he had an hourlong conversation with 95% of the women he talked to: I estimate that I approached 10-15 women in public over the course of 2 years and I had the conversation going AT LEAST 1 hour Then again, the math doesn't really work out, since 5% of 10-15 is below 1 and he already described one instant rejection and one interaction where he ejected early. Nothing about the post makes sense honestly.
/r/seduction19/10/24 10:34 AM
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Yes you can’t tie your satisfaction entirely to getting dates or lays, you have to find some degree of intrinsic motivation
/r/seduction19/10/24 09:23 AM
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I've been alone all my life, never had a girlfriend and only slept with escorts, and I feel so fucking lonely still. This suggests to me that you have deeper emotional issues that you need to resolve outside of pickup. Consider doing something like therapy, exercise or spending more time socialising in more relaxed ways
/r/seduction19/10/24 09:11 AM
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I checked your post history and almost every one of your comments is about how horrible cold approach is. You have some obsessive fixation over disproving cold approach's utility. I think you've disowned your inner womaniser and need to resolve this internal contradiction you have.
/r/seduction18/10/24 05:56 PM
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getting 0 dates after 40k approaches is an abnormal result
/r/seduction18/10/24 04:40 PM
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just tell this nervous kid to jam it down her throat when he gets there I didn't say that. Here is what I said: you definitely don't need to sit around and microanalyse her body language before you start escalating Note that I said start escalating. Obviously jamming anything down someone's throat is not the start of escalation.
/r/seduction18/10/24 01:34 PM
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Yeah, no, I definitely understand that money can be an issue. I was lucky enough that I was in a country (Australia) where the first couple of sessions were heavily discounted if you got a GP to recommend it for you. Just consider that it might be a worthwhile investment, especially since you won't necessarily have to keep going constantly for years as some people do. Just as it's sometimes worthwhile to spend a bit more for a better quality product or for better accommodation, or to buy a plane…
/r/seduction18/10/24 08:56 AM
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Oh yes I guess we have different standards for "chasing". obviously it's very rare for a woman to take care of every step in the seduction process (I've had this happen only once IIRC and it was a woman I met through work) Honestly if you're tired of it there's nothing wrong with taking a bit of a break (even of several weeks) and coming back to it later, you might just be a bit burnt out
/r/seduction18/10/24 08:53 AM
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It won’t be the majority of sexual experiences for anyone, but things like what OP is describing can and do happen and you definitely don’t need to be the hottest dude in the universe for it to happen
/r/seduction18/10/24 08:40 AM
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If a girl flirts with you and invites you over to her house you definitely don't need to sit around and microanalyse her body language before you start escalating
/r/seduction18/10/24 08:38 AM
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For women flirting and getting attention from the opposite sex is an end in and of itself and getting laid or not is not as important (as a general tendency) For men they generally want sex so they'll systematically move things forward no matter what This is why you need to approach more and not get too excited about individual "good interactions" (but do enjoy them for their own sake, as women do, and count them as wins while you're learning)
/r/seduction18/10/24 08:32 AM
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In my experience getting at least a couple of therapy sessions is invaluable. Definitely it's good to engage in self-reflection on your own, but getting a proper wake-up call from a professional can make your self-reflection more effective in that they guide it in the right direction, which stops you from wasting lots of time on psychological dead ends. Reddit posting is mostly useless for deep psychological problems
/r/seduction18/10/24 08:23 AM
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well yeah you have to approach first but after you approach you can have women keen enough where they are the one to ask for your number or go out of their way to schedule the date. or you have a girl on a date and they're immediately qualifying to you and making things man-to-woman you can also have women chase you in your social circle
/r/seduction18/10/24 08:21 AM
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I agree that exercise is good (although that also goes for going for walks, playing tennis, etc.) I do not agree that otherwise healthy people should take hormones I agree that strength training is good I do not agree that it will necessarily lead to an increase self-confidence I’m not really sure what equivocating means. I tried looking it up but didn’t really understand it in the context you are using it. All good. I meant that your response was about the general definition of testosterone rat…
/r/seduction18/10/24 08:06 AM
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You're equivocating. We're not talking about testosterone in the abstract — we're talking about taking it as a supplement when not clinically advised as a cure specifically for loneliness and bad internal beliefs.
/r/seduction18/10/24 07:46 AM
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After a certain point you have nothing to lose You could use this argument to justify pretty much any useless or pseudoscientific treatment. You might as well tell him to start doing homeopathy or see a chiropractor.
/r/seduction18/10/24 07:44 AM
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I often criticise people in here who suggest seeing a therapist as some sort of panacea for dating issues. But this is not one of those case. You are one of the people that would actually benefit from seeing a therapist.
/r/seduction18/10/24 07:42 AM
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They are not trying to chase you. you've never had women chase you?
/r/seduction18/10/24 07:40 AM
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guys are seriously in here saying to take hormones as a cure to loneliness lol
/r/seduction18/10/24 07:31 AM
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How many is “many” and how are you opening? You’re very thin on details here.
/r/seduction17/10/24 05:09 PM
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This is about pictures so it might not completely translate to in-person body language
/r/seduction16/10/24 08:30 AM
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Fair enough, you may be right about that. I still think there's value in distinguishing basics from pre-basics though.
/r/seduction15/10/24 06:41 AM
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this place has always ranged from basic to intermediate Someone who doesn't have basic social skills is not a beginner at seduction. They are pre-beginner. Nothing wrong with being a pre-beginner though.
/r/seduction15/10/24 06:05 AM
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Learning skills takes time and seduction is a skill Totally fair not to bother with it but I'd question what you're doing in a seduction forum then
/r/seduction15/10/24 05:55 AM
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can't believe something as basic as this is being downvoted on seddit lol
/r/seduction15/10/24 05:54 AM
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It's always been easier for women to get sex without commitment than men. That doesn't mean that women don't struggle with all sorts of other obstacles and negative dating experiences. If you want to develop abundance in your dating life then you have to learn the skills to do so. Either get good at approaching strangers or develop an amazing and exciting OLD profile or some combination of the two. If you want to have a reasonably good love life without heavily prioritising it, date through your…
/r/seduction14/10/24 09:05 AM
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I'd say that's a factor to some degree but men who look good still have to learn dating skills and wear down their fear of rejection (ask girls out, go for the kiss, etc.). Like a good looking man has to go out and get rejected much more than a woman of a comparable looks level.
/r/seduction14/10/24 09:01 AM
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100% agree Guys need to stop complaining about these guys that allegedly have it easy and just either up their game while shooting more shots or commit to one of these women with an average level of promiscuity Gaming from a place of misplaced resentment and envy is going to make your performance worse
/r/seduction14/10/24 08:59 AM
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Oh I definitely don’t claim to be an expert or advanced or anything. I’m always willing to be proven wrong or learn things from people who are more experienced than me. If you see me being wrong I’d definitely welcome being corrected. I think you’re probably right that there are times I’ve spoken beyond my level of experience and should’ve expressed more agnosticism. I’ll keep that in mind, thanks for the feedback. I’ll just add that when I said “hard” I was describing the learning process, not …
/r/seduction13/10/24 01:25 AM
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also part of my experience is from going on an instant date with a Korean woman who I approached with a direct opener ("I think you're cute"), she was also pretty awkward
/r/seduction12/10/24 04:58 PM
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Why aren't white women and Western-raised Asian women standoffish?
/r/seduction12/10/24 04:14 PM
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I disagree with OP but in my experience 2) and 3) happen very rarely and of course 4) isn't really viable if you're heterosexual Your point 1) I agree with wholeheartedly though, I don't think "we always have way more fun with our guy friends than with female friends" (as OP says) is universally true, I personally don't feel this way at all
/r/seduction12/10/24 02:36 PM
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How many times have you applied the above advice this year?
/r/seduction12/10/24 02:07 PM
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Say.. people sharing the same kink or whatever. I'm into doing missionary position with normies so no OLD for me then lol
/r/seduction12/10/24 01:55 PM
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I'm not saying online is better for everyone Actually, you are saying that. Here: This "real life is better" popular sentiment going around is a big pile of incel horsepoo. [...] Is the goal to get dates? Use apps. Is cold approach better for some people or is saying it could be better incel horseshit? Is it better for some people or should everyone just use apps and maybe go to gym/therapy?
/r/seduction12/10/24 01:54 PM
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Yeah, I totally agree. OLD made me feel like certain kinds of women could never be interested in me whereas daygame has really helped me expand my horizons. It's still very hard, but even certain failures or semi-failures (as in getting a date but no lay, a good reaction but no date, etc.) feel much more emotionally rewarding and build your self-esteem up much more than getting a date through OLD
/r/seduction12/10/24 01:47 PM
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I don't think there's much of a way to know this in advance. Also if you're not very experienced at it and haven't run much volume in a single session a lot of these internal thoughts about how unapproachable women look is just you rationalising your fear of approaching.
/r/seduction12/10/24 01:44 PM
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I'd agree it's probably harder after uni. So maybe you could get away with less volume or less skill doing it on campus as a fellow student.
/r/seduction12/10/24 01:41 PM
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That's not true. I get dates from cold approach and I haven't been in uni for ages. I never cold approached in uni.
/r/seduction12/10/24 01:38 PM
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I've seen dudes in here complain about the country I live in (Germany) just as much, saying that it's impossible here because people aren't as open and extraverted as Americans, there are no hobby groups or events, and all sorts of other random complaints that are just wrong or super exaggerated. In fact even OP says that he can't do cold approach because he doesn't live in the US!
/r/seduction12/10/24 01:33 PM
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Look, no-one is forcing you to respond if you have no counterarguments. Just retreating to the fact that you have an opinion (which no-one is disputing) is a fairly intellectually weak thing to do.
/r/seduction12/10/24 01:29 PM
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I will never quibble with the real benefits of online dating, as I said: from there if you have a good funnel working it takes less time and energy to run it But to not accept that it presents any disadvantages isn't an accurate appraisal of it either.
/r/seduction12/10/24 01:25 PM
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In cold approach you don't have to "perfect" the first impression because there is more wiggle room, as you've conceded.
/r/seduction12/10/24 01:21 PM
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I wasn't arguing that either is better and worse. I'm arguing that "same as for online dating applies in real life" is a false statement, which you've essentially conceded now. They are radically different from each other and require different skills to make work. IRL you have more wiggle room for getting your foot in the door, as you've conceded. Whereas online getting your foot in the door is much harder because you have to "perfect" your presentation (as you say), but from there if you have a…
/r/seduction12/10/24 01:18 PM
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Same as for online dating applies in real life. That's not true at all. IRL there is much more wriggle room for "getting in the door" than online.
/r/seduction12/10/24 01:07 PM
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I'm brown and I haven't really noticed anything sort of trends that matter yet. I used to be a bit more intimidated by white women than women of other backgrounds but the more I approach and practice the more it seems that none of that really matters. Daygame has actually been a really good way to completely pulverise that insecurity, I barely think in these terms at all anymore. The only thing I've noticed is that East Asian women are more likely to be a bit awkward and standoffish, but I think…
/r/seduction12/10/24 01:04 PM
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I am 30 and my dating life is much better than it was when I was in uni
/r/seduction12/10/24 12:46 PM
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god why are you being downvoted? you acknowledge your mistake and even made a good analysis of why the opener failed people in here are way too judgmental. I bet most of the people downvoting don't even approach. if they did they would know everyone ends up doing some bad approaches here and there
/r/seduction12/10/24 07:29 AM
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I'm in Germany and I was just on a date with a woman I met on the tram last night. The girl I'm currently hooking up with I also met on the tram. EDIT: You also said nothing about not being in the US in your original post. You just addressed it to all "newbies". Also I'm not really a fan of direct approach. I said nothing about being direct. impressing her with your amazing lifestyle works Your amazing lifestyle which consists of watching YouTube videos on resin tables and going to pilate classe…
/r/seduction12/10/24 07:26 AM
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Not if you are decent at cold approach or have a decent online dating profile. Hell even with the whole hobby group strategy — "go to dance classes and meetup events and such" — is viable enough to potentially get some sort of girlfriend (but not real abundance) or even a handful of lays here and there. You're catastrophising here. Sure, uni is easier because you can get away with weaker dating skills. But then why not just learn dating skills and be able to succeed at any age?
/r/seduction12/10/24 07:20 AM
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How to do that? Join a club, dance, library, cooking classes, yoga, pilates, social events, parties. Why would you do this when you can cold approach and talk to even more girls with less time investment? You really think most successful womanisers are constantly going to several different hobby groups?
/r/seduction12/10/24 07:17 AM
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Yeah it asks for a lot of compliance But definitely nothing wrong with doing things like that out of self-amusement and wanting to experiment
/r/seduction11/10/24 08:28 PM
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I applaud you for approaching but the Bumble thing is a strange opener imo
/r/seduction11/10/24 08:21 PM
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You’re imagining it. Next time approach some of these girls and you’ll notice your results will be the same.
/r/seduction11/10/24 08:43 AM
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I don't think you necessarily need to be more openly emotional if that's not your personality, just learn to escalate more systematically
/r/seduction10/10/24 07:04 AM
0

Thanks for this lol
/r/seduction09/10/24 07:36 PM
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When in doubt, lean towards eager. At your experience level trying to be aloof is just going to come across as timid. edit: wtf whats with the downvotes lol
/r/seduction09/10/24 07:35 PM
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Qualification isn’t strictly necessary and I don’t think it’s OP’s main problem edit: this is literally just true. most confused beginners have 1. problems escalating systematically and 2. not meeting enough women, throwing qualification in there just makes it even more complicated for no reason. OP is making massive unfounded conclusions based on two interactions, the issue here goes beyond qualification
/r/seduction09/10/24 07:32 PM
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All good it happens, have a good one :)
/r/seduction09/10/24 07:24 PM
2

OP did talk about that kind of result in terms of what they learned and how much they reduced their approach anxiety
/r/seduction09/10/24 07:10 PM
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I don’t really know who you’re responding to but it’s not me. You didn’t really address anything that I said.
/r/seduction09/10/24 07:07 PM
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why would scientists develop a formula for how to get laid more of course the jargon is going to all be experiential you might as well go make fun of skaters for talking about ollies and grinds because those terms aren't in physics manuals
/r/seduction09/10/24 12:53 PM
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What if nobody wants to be my friend? You need to bring yourself to a normal level of sociability. it’s game over for me before I even start Stop being dramatic. There is a huge difference between "obstacle that limits your options" and "game over". Step 1 is giving an accurate appraisal of your situation rather than totalising and catastrophising narratives.
/r/seduction09/10/24 12:30 PM
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(Not trying to discount your experiences or perspective at all, just wanted to point out that it at seemingly contradicts some of my own experiences, although feel free to let me know if I've misunderstood you) Unfortunately there's no way for an inexperienced man to get better at approaching other than just going out and approaching in varied settings. The fear of approaching follows you to the club and the bar otherwise I personally haven't found that "outdoors" (do you mean the street/city sq…
/r/seduction09/10/24 08:08 AM
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not being stressed out is more a function of being experienced than any sort of "trick" also your video doesn't have anything to do with the content of your post
/r/seduction09/10/24 08:01 AM
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don't have much game This is your main problem. every girl comes into the relationship expecting the world from me What made you conclude this?
/r/seduction09/10/24 07:58 AM
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god I hate it when I go to gym forums and they use big words like "hypertrophy", "progressive overload" and "triceps", why can't they just speak normally
/r/seduction09/10/24 07:51 AM
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one month is nothing lol what are you talking about have you ever mastered any skill in one month?
/r/seduction09/10/24 07:49 AM
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This is why your approaches go badly. With such a low self-esteem you're extremely likely to be making all sorts of basic body language and verbal mistakes. If you want to get good at cold approach you have to develop some charisma or at the very list a baseline of normal sociability.
/r/seduction09/10/24 07:38 AM
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I doubt that a girl being cold approached by a guy that belongs to the superior 5% of males would say no to him This isn't true. All types of guys doing cold approach get "no" far more often than they get "yes". Even if you have a good interaction with a girl it's very likely they'll just be flattered for the attention but then not turn up for the date — this goes for guys across the looks range. It's a numbers game for everyone.
/r/seduction09/10/24 07:34 AM
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99% of people there are guys, what should I do there What do you mean? There are plenty of charities and stuff where women volunteer. online dating is only for rich male models This is false. You are unlikely to get abundance in online dating as a normal guy but if you put together a halfway decent profile it's totally possible to get some dates here and there. clubs are for hot cool guys who have lots of friends Why don't you prioritise becoming cool and getting friends then? I get the sense th…
/r/seduction09/10/24 07:31 AM
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since I’m a low value beta guy, I prefer to take the words of the women that tell me to stop approaching, since my confidence is 1000 kilometer below the ground This is a really bad attitude to have
/r/seduction09/10/24 05:51 AM
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Most people are fairly ignorant about most subjects and will just parrot common wisdom which may or may not be true, I wouldn’t take people saying that too seriously
/r/seduction08/10/24 04:38 PM
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They both have pros and cons and are both viable
/r/seduction08/10/24 02:12 PM
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Had some lady ASK ME OUT last night, she was like “dw we can split the Uber to the bar, shots are a dollar :)”. Mate this chick was down she was making it obvious she doesn’t care about money lol you threw away an opportunity over your insecurity
/r/seduction05/10/24 09:32 PM
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Ah right it felt out of character since it was a lot weaker than what I’ve mostly seen from you I do admit I misinterpreted the post based on the title though
/r/seduction05/10/24 07:49 PM
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At most you could've gone for the number sooner. But definitely it was right to leave at the point you left, at that point there was nothing to do.
/r/seduction05/10/24 02:43 PM
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it seems like he's saying that he walked up to her, she told her that she told her boyfriend to fuck off, and then later her boyfriend came up and told him to fuck off She told me before he walked up she told him to fck off
/r/seduction05/10/24 02:42 PM
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Do you even agree with OP though? I'll defer to your experience but I find that "ignoring girls" is pretty pointless... if you get a good lead then it's better to escalate sooner rather than later. You're more likely to lose momentum than gain attraction with this ignoring stuff Now if you happen to take a while to respond to messages or whatever because you're authentically busy and coming from a place of abundance then that's different but actively ignoring as a "tactic" doesn't sound like it …
/r/seduction05/10/24 02:32 PM
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I've never claimed that most men are charismatic.
/r/seduction02/10/24 07:39 AM
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Yeah ok you have serious social and emotional issues but I wasn’t speaking about your specific situation
/r/seduction02/10/24 05:17 AM
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That’s not true at all
/r/seduction01/10/24 05:24 AM
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Cold approach is great but if your only goal is the extremely modest one of not “remaining single indefinitely” it’s totally unnecessary
/r/seduction30/09/24 06:17 PM
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Yes so you need contrived openers to practice and you still use a canned “fake-situational” opener
/r/seduction30/09/24 05:33 PM
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sure what I mean is that if you only use situational openers and never use “contrived” ones you’re in all likelihood not opening many sets which means you’re not practicing much of anything
/r/seduction30/09/24 05:23 PM
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If you’re “struggling to approach” do you have “natural game”?
/r/seduction30/09/24 05:22 PM
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If youre struggling to approach definitely “just open in any way you can” so that you can get more experience and start wearing down the fear is good But once you’re starting to regularly initiate interactions with female strangers surely you’d want to improve beyond just saying anything
/r/seduction30/09/24 04:12 PM
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Yeah I totally agree My only caveat is that I have got girls on dates with pretense openers But you’re right that I don’t think it’s great to make it your bread-and-butter Situational is great but how often are you realistically going to find situational sets? And how good are you going to be at closing them if you never open direct?
/r/seduction30/09/24 02:59 PM
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she has a boyfriend unfortunately In what way did it “work” then? Sure contextual openers are great but how many sets are you even opening if you’re entirely reliant on contextual openers, especially if you’re also dealing with some measure of AA? Probably no more than 1-3 per week, which is not enough. Of course there are also contrived and canned indirect openers (asking for recommendations and so on) you can use and the benefit is you can use them somewhat more systematically… but those are g…
/r/seduction30/09/24 08:30 AM
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No matter what, if we don't know you, we will be scared 99.9999% of the time. I used to believe this but once I started actually chatting up strangers it didn’t seem to really reflect reality. In fact one of my biggest hangups about approaching women was this idea that they might be afraid of me and I couldn’t even compute the positive reactions I was getting and was leaving sets for no good reason. Once I threw away this idea my seduction got better. A big part of seduction and charisma is subc…
/r/seduction30/09/24 07:30 AM
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Almost everyone goes through this starting out. Use the same advice on progressive desensitisation that everyone else uses.
/r/seduction29/09/24 09:41 AM
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false! you have been had by an entire industry of people recycling interpretations of a single survey which does not reflect real reality women surveyed rate most men in pictures for dating profiles as below average this is because women value a man's social and emotional presence and the social and emotional context they met him in more than they value what men look like in pictures specifically in the context of dating profiles
/r/seduction29/09/24 09:27 AM
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your entire worldview is based on manospheric TikTok sludge that is being fed to you by an algorithm that wants to keep you addicted by serving you shocking content
/r/seduction29/09/24 09:25 AM
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none of the women I've hooked up with that I met as total strangers gave me any signs before I started talking to them I can understand why you would give this advice but in my experience my dating life got substantially better once I started disregarding it the main problems with looking for signs are 1) it happens too rarely, 2) it puts you in your head and makes you more neurotic and 3) it puts you in the frame of wanting women to "pick" you rather than you going for what you want
/r/seduction29/09/24 09:20 AM
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Not every girl does “the look”
/r/seduction27/09/24 10:26 PM
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those who say she won’t respect you for asking don‘t know what the fuck they are talking about of course, only one kind of woman exists
/r/seduction27/09/24 10:25 PM
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nah better to just go for it if you want to than do all this neurotic stuff **''**Hey I think you are fun, would it be fine to kiss right now?'' lol what. should he tip his fedora after that too?
/r/seduction27/09/24 08:39 AM
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I don't think this matters much. You might get a marginal increase in receptiveness but I think that's more because the opener is less polarising (i.e. more friendly and less flirtatious). I'll admit that I may not have tested each kind of opener enough to get a big enough sample, but I haven't noticed any correlation between using compliments on specific clothing items rather than generic compliments (you're cute, etc.) and an increase in actual dates and lays.
/r/seduction27/09/24 08:36 AM
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Basic skin care routine and basic hygiene. Basic clothes so you look presentable. Women want to talk about feelings and not feel shut down. This is true to some degree but this is not why men are failing at dating apps. On dating apps there are simply more men than women and women swipe right much less so you need good pictures to stand out. Good pictures are about angles and lighting and facial expressions, not skincare or talking about feelings. "Not having pictures from high school" is not en…
/r/seduction27/09/24 07:23 AM
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I haven't read his books so maybe they're more profound than his videos. But his videos are all clickbait listicles (the 7 best ways to be confident! the simple trick to blahblahblah..., and even an hour long conversation with a conservative busybody who rails against hookup culture) where he traffics in lame platitudes. Based on what I've seen of him he comes across as more of a mainstream self-help guru than as a PUA. Maybe he was a PUA in the past but his material doesn't reflect that.
/r/seduction23/09/24 04:02 PM
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I don't think there's much to think about when you're starting out, it's just have a normal conversation and then close after several minutes if you feel too nervous to have a normal conversation spend more time practicing with indirect sets (perhaps not even bothering to close) and just chatting with strangers you're not attracted to remember to always focus on the next sticking point rather than trying to do everything at once
/r/seduction23/09/24 09:24 AM
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You probably just need to do more approaches on work on your fear of rejection. Worrying about how nice you are isn't particularly productive.
/r/seduction21/09/24 09:58 AM
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You can keep doing direct openers but the way you’re doing it signals low value. You’re apologising for interrupting her before she’s even indicated that she’s annoyed, which shows that you’re a people pleaser. You’re asking for permission to close, which shows that you’re afraid of going for what you want. You’re also closing on the open, which shows you have no standards and no seduction skill. trying to see how many nos it would take for me to get a yes This is a bad attitude to go into cold …
/r/seduction21/09/24 08:50 AM
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Don’t listen to crab in a bucket blackpillers You probably could stand to gain some muscle and work on your style but your biggest problem is your outer and inner game
/r/seduction21/09/24 08:45 AM
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What are you asking here? Do you want permission to start approaching women? Or what’s the point of this thread?
/r/seduction20/09/24 09:13 AM
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No way am I taking a chick I just met to a wine tasting or an animal shelter lmfao
/r/seduction15/09/24 09:26 AM
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definitely, I just find that in most threads the people who actually embody that ethos are a minority. still more than any other sub I've seen of course
/r/seduction14/09/24 03:17 PM
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damn this is the first thread I've seen here where people actually overwhelmingly advocate seduction and pickup rather than "cool guy lifestyle" nonsense lol
/r/seduction14/09/24 02:43 PM
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I like social dancing but in my experience the effect it had on reducing approach anxiety was extremely minimal. To the extent that it helped it was marginal gains that I got from going to like three parties, anything beyond that didn't help at all really. It definitely didn't "crush" my approach anxiety. I've also had to drop my dance hobby to make more time for game and in my experience this was a very good decision.
/r/seduction14/09/24 01:54 PM
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What does that have to do with choosing signals?
/r/seduction13/09/24 06:27 AM
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Do you want to be good looking or do you want to bang this cashier? The title has nothing to do with the content of the post.
/r/seduction12/09/24 12:33 PM
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must be Morges, which is the centre of the district where Lully is sounds great, thanks for providing your experience
/r/seduction12/09/24 09:31 AM
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I'm a big fan of doing things correctly from the start rather than going out and practicing mindlessly.
/r/seduction12/09/24 08:33 AM
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You have seen women recording men on their phone tons of times in person?
/r/seduction12/09/24 08:22 AM
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That entirely depends on OP's capacity to engage in self-reflection.
/r/seduction12/09/24 08:16 AM
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I just personally happen to know absolutely nothing about Julien. I had googled him and struggled to figure out where he grew up, most of the results have to do with the sexual assault allegations against him. Apparently his hometown is Lully in Vaud canton (you telling me that it's a Swiss town helped me narrow down my search, thank you), which has only 800 people according to Wikipedia. I don't think that's particularly viable for learning cold approach, but maybe he travelled into Lausanne to…
/r/seduction12/09/24 08:05 AM
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Yeah most countries are much bigger than that so the advice here isn’t going to reflect you personally living in a really small town in a small island
/r/seduction12/09/24 04:33 AM
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Nah dude come on cold approach is for proper cities where you have some degree of anonimity The Julien thing I find implausible, 14,000 is really nothing. Where can I learn about this?
/r/seduction12/09/24 04:31 AM
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There’s people which has a fraction of your matches but manage to date and close almost all of them. Who are these people? That’s an extraordinary claim that’ll require some extraordinary evidence.
/r/seduction10/09/24 01:32 PM
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Can't believe you deleted your account after making this histrionic comment. Hopefully you'll later come back to this thread and realise that I was giving you good advice you were refusing to listen to. If you see this again: either chose to spend the dozens to hundreds of hours you need to get good at cold approach. Or do something else with your time. But complaining about how hard it is is not going to get you anywhere.
/r/seduction09/09/24 03:16 PM
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Yeah no definitely, no shade on you at all, it's always good to celebrate successes
/r/seduction09/09/24 01:11 PM
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Oh yes true, you're right in that case. A lot of people fixate on choosing signals before the approach which is pretty silly in my view. Once the interaction starts the dynamic is different, although even then these kinds of signals aren't universally reliable necessarily.
/r/seduction09/09/24 12:52 PM
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Yes most men are not walking macho stereotypes that start physical altercations all the time. Not sure what the point of this post is, seems like you're just bragging.
/r/seduction09/09/24 11:51 AM
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Most logical option for me in my opinion is warm approach ie looking for choosing signals, as cold approach has a really low success rate, and since approaching strangers is not common here, I am too self conscious and embarassed to do it (in Sweden). If you are too embarrassed and self-conscious to do cold approach you don't have the skill to capitalise on getting choosing signals. at the same time I highly doubt those random guys I see with hot girlfriends had to work so damn hard just to get …
/r/seduction09/09/24 11:19 AM
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Turning 30 in a few years and the fact I never had a gf ever terrifies me and makes me incredibly sad. I live in Sweden and here it feels impossible to meet women let alone friends I'm not sure if your inner game is strong enough for you to be able to properly emotionally handle all the awkward interactions and random reactions you get from learning cold approach. (This is not about Sweden, cold approach is hard everywhere, especially starting from your experience level). You might get more mile…
/r/seduction09/09/24 11:15 AM
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99% of women dont shoot their shot but invite you in to shoot yours Most of the time they don't even do this.
/r/seduction09/09/24 11:09 AM
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Honestly I'm happy for you OP and you definitely did many things right. Buuut.... I find it kind of depressing that the only FRs that are ever popular in this sub are the ones that are about a single approach that went somewhat well. Yes a lot of random things can happen no matter your experience level and you can get lucky (obviously the more you do right and the more skill you have the easier it is for you to get lucky, a big part of game is just opening in whatever way you can and not messing…
/r/seduction09/09/24 10:42 AM
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Are you sure? In my experience telling them that they're cute works just as well, and in fact I've gotten more dates from that than from style-related compliments. How many times have you tried out both kinds of openers?
/r/seduction09/09/24 10:38 AM
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This idea that you need to apply strategies, bargain and demonstrate next level wittiness to get a girl reeks turbo simping. If that's your definition of game I agree that game is stupid. But luckily that's not what game is.
/r/seduction09/09/24 10:37 AM
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The streets suck because they don't give you much to talk about to form a connection. Parks are much better for pick up. What are you going to talk about in the park? Your shared love for trees, benches and duck shit? Parks are not that different to stores. You still have to create a conversation out of nothing for the most part. Duration. How often do women typically stay in said location? You don't necessarily need to talk to a woman for more than 5-15 minutes to get a date. Parks, Cafes, book…
/r/seduction08/09/24 01:22 PM
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Stop watching alpha male Tik Toks. Thinking in terms of the madonna/whore complex is a really bad way to learn seduction
/r/seduction08/09/24 12:57 PM
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Whether or not it’s normal is a totally different question to whether it’s effective or worth doing.
/r/seduction08/09/24 12:41 PM
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Back in the day when attractive women got hit on all the time, what you did would be considered weak game I don’t think something working once is conclusive evidence of something being good game. Obviously there are always other factors involved so a weak opener won’t necessarily always sink you. I’ve had much weaker interactions than what was described by OP result in dates. You chased after her. This is actually good game in the context of the interaction because getting the number is always g…
/r/seduction08/09/24 12:28 PM
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Most women don’t get hit on daily
/r/seduction08/09/24 12:08 PM
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I am not sure hwere you live but it looks like some northern european country The video was recorded in Barcelona (and in touristy areas). He wouldn't stand out at all there. It has nothing to do with your game but everything with how you look The guy claims that getting better game helped him get more success. Now you could say you're going to doubt his testimony, which is fair since OP is selling coaching — but then why are you taking OP's claim that he has more success than the client at face…
/r/seduction07/09/24 07:20 PM
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Approaching random women during the day
/r/seduction07/09/24 12:28 PM
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or just straight up say "Hi my name is Bigboy and I wanted to talk to you". This is a contradiction. What you’re recommending here is a canned opener by definition!
/r/seduction07/09/24 06:33 AM
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I don’t know what you mean
/r/seduction06/09/24 03:31 PM
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Yes you've discovered why canned and generic openers are vital, despite what all the "natural game" purists will tell you I walk close by and try and make eye contact Don't do this. If you want to approach just approach, forget about all these eye contact games.
/r/seduction06/09/24 02:49 PM
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Ask her back to your place on the first date. If she sleeps with you keep seeing her. If she brings up commitment say you don’t want anything serious.
/r/seduction05/09/24 07:32 PM
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In my experience tangential self-improvement didn’t help me with this almost at all edit: remember Seddit, never speak from your actual experience. just repeat the same platitudes everyone else is saying and theorise in totally general terms
/r/seduction04/09/24 12:19 PM
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The more I hear about online dating the lamer I think it is
/r/seduction04/09/24 12:13 PM
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Why would insta be better?
/r/seduction03/09/24 11:50 AM
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Find events that encourage interactions. OP clearly wants to learn daygame so why would he do this? The whole point of daygame is to learn to create connections regardless of whether there are any events or whatever so that you can achieve real social freedom. These lines for the bar are ridiculous - I have a better spot in the other side. Let’s go that way. I’m buying. This one sounds just as forced as OP’s opener honestly. How often do you use this one?
/r/seduction03/09/24 06:12 AM
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Nah that’s not true in my experience. Depending on what your baseline of confidence is it’s worth it to just practice the act of going up to people regardless of gender. I found it helpful at least.
/r/seduction03/09/24 06:09 AM
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Good job on practicing. I would open with “excuse me” rather than “hello”. I get the sense that you’re trying too hard to force a longer interaction every time.
/r/seduction03/09/24 06:08 AM
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Yes. It’s completely viable to meet women only through pickup and not bother with apps.
/r/seduction01/09/24 06:01 AM
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Women complain about getting hit on in nightlife too
/r/seduction01/09/24 05:59 AM
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Even if that's true (and I'm not convinced it is — Reddit has become very mainstream and there are all sorts of people here now), I'm not sure how that contradicts anything I've said so far.
/r/seduction31/08/24 07:51 PM
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You don't need to "max" your SMV, just get to a normal baseline, or even better, somewhere reasonably above-average. You definitely don't need a sixpack to get good results from cold approach.
/r/seduction31/08/24 06:50 PM
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Yes I was responding to ShadowMercure. (you can say it shouldn't have, but we're not all the same). No I would never say that. It can be difficult and you do have to work on your endurance and ability to stomach rejection and awkward interactions. Depending on where you're at mentally and emotionally in your life in general it can also be hard to cultivate the right mindset. I also had deeply frustrating moments going through it although I find it gives me more and more joy over time. I also don…
/r/seduction31/08/24 06:06 PM
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My main hobby is learning languages. I used to go to lots of language classes and language exchange events and it did very little for me when it comes to meeting women. Then I stopped going to "community" nonsense and started chatting up strange women on the street, public transport and in stores who I noticed were speaking a language I knew (or sometimes I didn't hear them speaking and I found out later in the interaction) and it did more for my dating life with much less effort than any class …
/r/seduction31/08/24 05:52 PM
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There’s the subreddit for specifically social skills. Social skills overlap with dating skills but are not identical to them because men and women have radically different sexual psychology. I've always been good at making friends, including female friends, but didn't find that this neatly translated to improvements in my dating life. Personally I found that seduction theory helped me get more dates and get laid more and the "just go and be social" stuff didn't, so now what? I don't agree with t…
/r/seduction31/08/24 05:45 PM
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Because I'm very charismatic I think and a good listener and respectful but funny too. Yes this is the typical trap men fall into when they are generally well-socialised but not amazing with women. This trap is endlessly reinforced in this subreddit by people who talk about how you "just have to be a cool guy/treat women like they're people/get social hobbies" or whatever. Nope, there's more to it than that unfortunately. There are definitely lame dudes who get laid plenty just by running number…
/r/seduction31/08/24 04:09 PM
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I agree with you to a great extent but I think you're simplifying the process a lot. You're right that practice is more important than theory but you're going too far in the other direction. Yes taking action is important but honestly your text is mostly a wall of disconnected platitudes. Like OK, let's be more authentic. How? OK I want to be spicier. How? These are all things I had to practice in very specific ways, just hearing Mark Manson or someone's grandmother say how important it is didn'…
/r/seduction31/08/24 03:50 PM
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Where did OP indicate he overchases? All he said is that he asks women out sometimes.
/r/seduction31/08/24 03:22 PM
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Yes when you're in the moment it's too hard to micromanage your game. I only ever try to practice one or two concepts on a weekly basis rather than try and do everything at once in each interaction. For a while I was practicing just staying in set and trying for the hook and not bothering getting the number. Then I focused on getting more numbers and following up on them all just to prove to myself I could get multiple dates in a week. Then I decided I needed to learn to be more direct so I've b…
/r/seduction31/08/24 02:49 PM
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My go-to for a while was "It was nice talking to you, what's your number?" I was surprised at some of the follow-ups I got from this even when my game wasn't very good and I was quite nervous. Also consider opening direct a bit for practice at the very least whether or not you decide to make that part of your style later. If you can't do that yet at least do some ambiguously platonic compliments on items of clothing, tattoos and jewelry. But even when I do go through the motions of getting a num…
/r/seduction31/08/24 02:34 PM
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Nailed it I used to go home whenever I got tired when sarging but I realised that being tired doesn’t really make a huge difference and in fact sometimes it helps you be less in your head
/r/seduction29/08/24 02:03 PM
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I once nearly got to level 9 randomly without much skill at all (I didn’t seal the deal because I had another date later and had to kick her out but she was undressing me so she would’ve been down presumably) This was still when I was just asking people for café recommendations and had hardly opened with compliments much yet I think a big part of same day lays is just luck of the draw, i.e. meeting a girl who is open to it, into you specifically and happens to have a free afternoon. And of cours…
/r/seduction28/08/24 10:41 AM
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This is objectively false. None of the naturals I’ve met were muscular. (They definitely weren’t obese either but again, the only person talking about obese people here is you. They also didn’t eat onion rings but I don’t really know anyone who eats onion rings, I don’t believe I’ve ever even tried them.)
/r/seduction27/08/24 05:39 PM
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The consistent refusal to address anything I've said in any concrete way is noted.
/r/seduction27/08/24 04:28 PM
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Find me a single person in this thread who thinks there is no benefit to going to the gym. The OP does not believe this. I do not believe this. Where are these fantasy anti-gym people? The opposite — people who think the gym is a panacea and that seduction and charisma don't or barely exist — you can find here in droves. Just check MrAnonPoster's histrionic ramblings about Homer Simpson eating onion rings (???) or ivecaughtawildgigolo's response to the above comment.
/r/seduction27/08/24 04:27 PM
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Strawman. Not a single person in this thread has advocated overeating onion rings or having the physique of Homer Simpson
/r/seduction27/08/24 11:59 AM
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U really think good looking women are sleeping with dudes they find unattractive ? He did not claim this. He said that there is more to being attractive to women than being conventionally good looking. You are equivocating in that you're not differentiating objective attractiveness (how conventionally good looking someone is) and subjective attractiveness (how attracted to someone a particular person is). Step 1 of having this discussion is having a basic handle of what "attraction/attractive" e…
/r/seduction27/08/24 06:51 AM
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Not a single person in here has ever advocated looking homeless. Everyone agrees that looks and especially presentation (grooming and style) are part of the picture. What proportion of the picture it is is the point of disagreement. In future respond to arguments that people have actually made rather than some fantasy PUA hobos you've made up in your own mind.
/r/seduction27/08/24 06:48 AM
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who gives a shit about choosing signals
/r/seduction27/08/24 06:46 AM
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I'm glad that you're admitting that you actually need to be exceptionally athletic rather than "just not obese" like you were claiming in another thread. edit: ah no, in another comment you started going on about "Homer Simpsons" again. The same gymbro motte and bailey as always.
/r/seduction27/08/24 06:45 AM
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gymbros get offended when you mildly criticise their hobby and aspiring looksmaxxers get offended because they don't want to think they're wasting their time
/r/seduction27/08/24 06:43 AM
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lol it's always the same reductio ad absurdum about obese neckbeards
/r/seduction27/08/24 06:41 AM
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actually plenty of people in here do say that gym on its own gets you women
/r/seduction27/08/24 06:39 AM
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It's not quite that they "lower" their standards. It's more that 1) you are able to present a broader range of qualities and 2) you skip straight to the meeting phase which makes it more emotionally salient.
/r/seduction23/08/24 05:07 PM
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women who participate in internet debates on gender and dating are not representative of the general female population and people also tend to be more reasonable about exchanging and evaluating ideas when they have a person they have some rapport with in front of them
/r/seduction23/08/24 05:03 PM
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I find it plausible that in bigger cities there’s a higher chance of getting worse blowouts but we have plenty of testimony of dudes succeeding in places like NYC and such Have you ever tried to game in 1-3 million population cities?
/r/seduction22/08/24 05:21 PM
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You need to work on your fundamentals if you’re regularly getting completely ignored on “excuse me”
/r/seduction22/08/24 04:44 PM
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You can be extremely proactive while not being tryhard
/r/seduction22/08/24 04:38 PM
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The reason I was asking is because I thought you meant you were asking for a date 5 times. If a lot of it is just pinging where you’re not starting by scheduling a date that’s more reasonable.
/r/seduction20/08/24 04:44 PM
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How many times did you try to schedule a date though?
/r/seduction20/08/24 04:26 PM
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How often do you find that women come around on try 4 or 5? By “chances” do you mean actually trying to set up a date or just pinging?
/r/seduction20/08/24 04:09 PM
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If you’re sitting on your own in the corner and not meaningfully interacting with anyone then of course you won’t meet anyone. But that has very little to do with drinking or being there with a group. I do agree that OP’s mentality is wrong in that he’s looking at irrelevant factors in night game (the whole trying to “look confident and fun” rather than getting off your arse and actually approaching). Anyway all of this is irrelevant to my underlying critique of your posts: your style is abrasiv…
/r/seduction20/08/24 04:04 PM
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In my experience knowing how to dance can bring minor benefits but it doesn’t really matter all that much. In any case, you’ve essentially conceded the point by changing the subject (from the alleged networking aspect of dance to now implying it increases your SMV).
/r/seduction20/08/24 03:59 PM
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Yes everything you say — no matter how aggressively phrased and extreme — is “observable reality”. If you go to bars to meet women, by yourself, you will become a drunk. I don’t drink at all and have met women in bars. Is that “observable reality”?
/r/seduction20/08/24 03:57 PM
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I've been on/off daygame for a while now This is your answer. Being more consistent about it will help you get into a better flow.
/r/seduction20/08/24 11:46 AM
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Your insights are not profound enough for you to be this condescending.
/r/seduction20/08/24 11:44 AM
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Five chances is crazy to me
/r/seduction19/08/24 03:19 PM
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There’s nothing particularly unique about your situation, you can use the same A-Z guidance on approach anxiety and progressive desensitisation as everyone else. I would love some openers from you guys that dont involve "hey you're cute" but more personal ones with some push pull or at least not that overly giving her the power but still keeping it man to woman. Given your level of approach anxiety it’s too early to worry about this.
/r/seduction19/08/24 03:17 PM
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Thank you for conceding the point. you start to be wary when people approach you with a question In my experience most women aren’t particularly wary when you ask them innocent questions during the day.
/r/seduction19/08/24 03:15 PM
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Note the comment I was responding to: At worst you check out aclass and make friends with some ladies who....((((( drum roll )))))).....can introduce you to OTHER ladies. But to respond to your suggestion: whether or not he should do that depends on whether he has much of an affinity for dance. I wouldn’t make that decision based on this one invitation.
/r/seduction19/08/24 03:04 PM
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Maybe I didn’t express myself well in that case. I don’t think it’s a conscious decision on the part of either gender to actively make dating more difficult for the other gender, just that men and women have on aggregate different behaviour and expectations. i wouldn’t really say it’s anyone’s “fault”, just a set of circumstances born out of a mix of social and biological factors.
/r/seduction19/08/24 02:45 PM
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Blaming? I’m just describing reality as it is. I don’t “blame” women for anything. I think women should keep doing what they want and I certainly don’t expect or demand of them to radically change their behaviour to accomodate men. Nor do I feel any grievances or ill-will towards them.
/r/seduction19/08/24 02:38 PM
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Yes, and therefore fear of sexual assault is not the main factor in rejection in cold approach.
/r/seduction19/08/24 02:32 PM
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Yes of course sexual harassment and assault is more common than many men believe. It is however not the main factor behind rejections in cold approach. Otherwise in cold approach being nice would be more important than being confident.
/r/seduction19/08/24 01:53 PM
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Status is a much broader concept than that. Being, say, the leader of a book club that everyone in that circle respects and looks up to gives you some measure of status within that social environment. Human beings belong to all sorts of communities concurrently so status is a very variable and contextual factor.
/r/seduction19/08/24 01:45 PM
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There is a grain of truth to this but it’s not the main factor in flakes and rejection and it’s definitely not true to the extent that people on the internet suggest it is.
/r/seduction19/08/24 01:43 PM
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Not necessarily. I agree that OP is too pessimistic but it’s simply true that women have a certain range of options by default whereas men (generally) have to go out and create options because they are expected to make the first move and then also be the one to move things forward towards physical intimacy. (Of course there are occasional exceptions but the general script people tend to follow affects men’s life experiences.) If you can make a woman feel like she'll be safe with you, physically …
/r/seduction19/08/24 01:39 PM
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several people just needs at least one of these actions A lot of those things are just to bring people from the level of "stereotypical internet addicted basement dweller" to normal dude who can maybe get laid extremely occasionally and will have some kind of girlfriend at some point. What if your goal is to get laid a lot more than an emotionally healthy dude with a decent social circle and who exercises and showers and whatever? What if you want to cultivate actual abundance? To engage in a bi…
/r/seduction16/08/24 09:57 PM
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If you want a proof, just scroll the posts here, it’s full of people trying to approach with 0.01% succes rate Yes of course there are people with bad game who approach a lot. My point was that there is also a lot of people who barely approach at all and instead repeat endless platitudes and bang on about going to the gym and/or therapy as some sort of panacea. In fact I see far, far more of that in this subreddit. I'm the one who's saying that outer game and inner game are just as important as …
/r/seduction16/08/24 07:21 PM
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In the context of pickup "taking action" mainly refers to actually going out and actually approaching and escalating. You can't therapy your way out of a lack of leads.
/r/seduction16/08/24 04:39 PM
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Taking action is "outer" by definition. How you think and feel about the action is what is "inner". And yes, outer game is complementary, but it usually doesn’t work alone. Inner game usually can work alone when done right because it brings charisma. I mean, both can "work" to some degree but both are limited on their own. Inner game doesn't work on its own because no matter how calm and "charismatic" you are unless you're actively expressing this charisma to a woman you're attracted to you're n…
/r/seduction16/08/24 04:33 PM
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That’s why a lot of people that only reaches decent outer game don’t have the expected success Also a lot of people work on their inner game by repeating platitudes but don't go out and take action. Outer game and inner game both reinforce each other when done right.
/r/seduction16/08/24 03:42 PM
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So is “the sky is blue”. A platitude isn’t going to cure anyone’s fear of rejection.
/r/seduction16/08/24 05:06 AM
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You’re good man, the quote is a stupid platitude
/r/seduction15/08/24 05:29 PM
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That’s just objectively false. It’s a fact that walking aids in fat loss. You gotta step on thr gas like a hard mfkr. No you don’t. You just have to burn more calories than you consume.
/r/seduction15/08/24 04:38 PM
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Reread my comment: the social and dating aspect of it was highly overrated in my experience
/r/seduction15/08/24 04:37 PM
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I said light cardio (i.e. walking). having some muscles looks better than looking like a twig Sure, I think it’s great to put on muscle. But putting on muscle and burning fat are two different, largely contradictory goals
/r/seduction15/08/24 12:02 PM
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what does hitting the gym have to do with losing weight? it's much faster and simpler to just do lots of light cardio and control your portions obviously if you have more muscle it's easier to keep weight off because you burn more calories just existing but why overcomplicate an already difficult project that requires willpower
/r/seduction15/08/24 09:44 AM
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Unless your friends are very good with women I wouldn't really bother listening to their advice on this girl, especially if they're basing it on your description and didn't see her behaviour in person. If you want to go to the dance class for the sake of trying something new, go. But otherwise don't bother.
/r/seduction15/08/24 09:05 AM
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DONT underestimate how much legit befriending the women there instead of hitting on em asap can open more doors longer term. Personally I severely overestimated this when I was in the dance scene. The dancing aspect was a lot of fun and it's a cool skill to learn but the social and dating aspect of it was highly overrated in my experience.
/r/seduction15/08/24 08:51 AM
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lol only one person asked the most important question
/r/seduction15/08/24 08:36 AM
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It's unlikely OP's going to meet women who are going to start hustling social connections for him at a single dance class This is top page reddit shit, not sure why you're posting it in this forum It always irks me that no one brings up that you can meet women thru other women people bring it up all the time to the point of really exaggerating its utility
/r/seduction15/08/24 08:32 AM
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You are atypically busy if you really spend nearly 9 hours a week in the gym and 15 hours a week on your app on top of working 9 hours a day. So yes something has to give in your case. -Can you take a lunch break? Is there any foot traffic near your workplace? -Can you skip at least one of those weekdays and move the app hours to the weekend? -Can you skip one of those 5 gym sessions and do your app stuff in the morning instead? -Can you use public transport to commute? -Can you ever work from h…
/r/seduction14/08/24 06:23 AM
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You have not addressed this: I agree that 500 is excessive. I only remember one guy advocating anything that extreme though. I’ve seen you attacking numbers as low as 20 a week which really isn’t that much. Where are these guys advocating 500 approaches a week? If there are so many it shouldn't be hard to find 3 or so. You also haven't addressed this: This is assuming you keep every girl around for weeks and weeks and have no one-night stands… Or this: (and certainly not while you’re still learn…
/r/seduction13/08/24 02:37 PM
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I agree that 500 is excessive. I only remember one guy advocating anything that extreme though. I’ve seen you attacking numbers as low as 20 a week which really isn’t that much. No-one can have a “full pipeline” by only doing 2-3 approaches a week (and certainly not while you’re still learning), that’s a fantasy. If those are your percentages then you are the best seducer in the world and so I’m looking forward to you putting out some amazing infield where you blow everyone out of the water. the…
/r/seduction13/08/24 02:20 PM
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Just not to do it in the regarded way most men here do it. Actually most men here take your advice to heart and barely approach at all. Just in another thread a guy was talking about how it’s impossible to talk to women for more than two days a week, and most of our field reports are guys throwing a party after doing 2-3 approaches, or even just one sometimes.
/r/seduction13/08/24 02:00 PM
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it’s funny how you constantly come in here and lecture people about how you’re not “normal” if you go out and sarge at all but then you’re the one who’s constantly getting banned for saying socially unacceptable shit lol
/r/seduction13/08/24 01:55 PM
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A tool like this could come in handy No, I think you’d be better off spending that time on your business. If you have less time to dedicate to pickup then your limited time should be spent on “bread and butter” activities – i.e. actually approaching (including warmup sets and sets during your daily routine). Do you think that someone who’s main (or even sole) focus in life is pick-up … is someone women would deem attractive? Some would some wouldn’t, like with any other guy. It also depends on w…
/r/seduction13/08/24 01:53 PM
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this is like the eighth time I've seen you back here with a new handle. how do you keep getting suspended?
/r/seduction13/08/24 01:22 PM
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You think it’s good advice, to tell people to make drop other goals to focus on pick up? It depends on what your goals are. Any skill takes a lot of time to master and so if your priority is mastering that skill, you have to spend time on that rather than on other things. If your priority is starting a business, then for sure work on your business and make pickup a side-hobby. But you're not going to make as much progress in pickup as someone who's dedicated about it. Just as someone who's dippi…
/r/seduction13/08/24 01:16 PM
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in many cases also dedicate the remaining time of working days to gym and other personal projects Which means you’re prioritising things that aren’t pickup and are not really “making time” for it. That means we only get to to out on weekends That’s totally fine. Just don’t pretend that your dabbling is the absolute maximum anyone with a job could do.
/r/seduction13/08/24 12:15 PM
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I've approached two-sets where the friend essentially becomes a wingman and encourages me to take the girl on an instadate or take her number
/r/seduction13/08/24 08:43 AM
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i hear no lies from your coach How many group sets have you approached?
/r/seduction13/08/24 07:52 AM
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Even someone social and confident can only make time to go out and approach women at most twice a week. ????????????
/r/seduction13/08/24 07:02 AM
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I can’t believe you’re erecting yourself as an expert in here and saying this kind of dumb shit
/r/seduction13/08/24 05:15 AM
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We know for a fact that direct game can and does work. The question of whether it is always ideal is different (I agree it has drawbacks). There is no way in which a robbery is similar to seduction so your analogy is irrelevant.
/r/seduction11/08/24 12:23 PM
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Yes being direct and obvious can and does work Being a simp is too much though, there’s a difference between expressing desire and expressing desperation and low standards
/r/seduction11/08/24 07:38 AM
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If you go against “pill” articles of faith in this forum you invariably get downvoted It seems spreading ideologised misinformation is more important than actually studying and practicing seduction
/r/seduction11/08/24 06:12 AM
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i recommend an opener that gives her clarification of what you want and why I've not really experienced women being confused after shorter openers but if it happens I'll let you know
/r/seduction10/08/24 06:08 PM
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Yes, i say stuff like that because it works I say shorter openers because they also work
/r/seduction10/08/24 06:01 PM
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it's most common for women to date guys who are a couple of years older than them (like 2-3), not for women in their early 20s to date guys in their 30s not that there's anything wrong with bigger age gaps but what you're saying is just fundamentally untrue
/r/seduction10/08/24 05:59 PM
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that's a really long opener
/r/seduction10/08/24 05:55 PM
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I guess to a certain degree once you’ve put in the work to make them both viable. How many guys who use this OLD “complement” are actually running any real volume in cold approach in the first place?
/r/seduction15/07/24 10:16 AM
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How is it a good complement? They require largely different skillsets and take a lot of effort to get off the ground. It’s like saying that long-distance running is a good complement to olympic weightlifting.
/r/seduction15/07/24 10:04 AM
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they can reject you in less than 2 seconds Of course they can, I have never denied that instant rejections exist. I have denied that women always know within 10 seconds whether they're giving you a maybe or a no regardless of social context.
/r/seduction09/07/24 05:03 PM
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Yeah sure but if she's open to fuck, they can definitely judge if you're fuckable in 10 seconds or less. That's just not true. It doesn't even make sense on the face of it. In the context of cold approach half of the time 10 seconds is barely enough time to adjust to the fact that you're talking to a stranger, you've barely exchanged 2-3 sentences at that point. And in the context of social circle type stuff plenty of women report not being interested in individual men at all and changing their …
/r/seduction09/07/24 03:14 PM
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Yes, in discussion forums I tend to quarrel with people I disagree with. Sure, there definitely is a difference. I just wouldn't dismiss the utility of all "junk volume" out of hand especially as part of the learning process. But you're right in principle that just because something works on OLD doesn't mean it works in daygame ncessarily.
/r/seduction09/07/24 02:41 PM
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Thank you for revising down your claim. I never understood why someone would want to approach 80 women a month The reason why is stated very clearly by the OP: Especially in the beginning when your skill set is lower, you need to compensate with higher volume.
/r/seduction09/07/24 02:30 PM
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don’t need to speak to more than 10 girls to make out with them or get laid Moving the goalposts. We weren't talking about makeouts. This is the question: do you consistently get several lays per month purely out of daygame while only starting 10 or so interactions?
/r/seduction09/07/24 02:26 PM
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Are you saying that you regularly and consistently get multiple lays per month while only doing around ~10 approaches per month? That's an exceptional hit rate that I've rarely seen anyone claim.
/r/seduction09/07/24 02:19 PM
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You largely do OLD so in fact you run much more volume than even the craziest daygame guys.
/r/seduction09/07/24 02:17 PM
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randomly approaching women all day long No-one in this thread is advocating "randomly approaching women all day long". To hit the minimum numbers OP is advocating you can sarge twice a week and do only 8 approaches per session, and then do 4 other approaches spread out the week while going about your normal life (so in fact you can very easily do what OP is recommending and what you are recommending at the same time). That's very, very far from "all day long", that's at most 3 hours or so if you…
/r/seduction09/07/24 02:10 PM
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This is the claim I was responding to: I heard that girls will make a judgement within the first 10 seconds of meeting you whether or not you’re fuckable. The fact that instant rejections can and do happen in the context of cold approach does not mean that women (in all or even a majority of cases) decide within 10 seconds if you are "fuckable" or not. An instant rejection can have a lot to do with 1) body language/opening mistakes and 2) whether the woman in question is open to being approached…
/r/seduction09/07/24 01:09 PM
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That's also demonstrably untrue.
/r/seduction09/07/24 12:30 PM
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yes exactly you're proving my point. you need to be less subtle. do explicit verbal escalation
/r/seduction09/07/24 11:57 AM
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if you're asking this question your level isn't high enough to be subtle about interest showing explicit interest works better for beginners than trying to "play it cool"
/r/seduction09/07/24 11:41 AM
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you don't need to sarge anywhere near 7 days a week to start 20 interactions lol OP is talking about learning the ropes and improving your results, which demonstrably needs volume (everyone learning did it that way, including yourself according to your own comments, you just handwave away your own experience as "unnecessary" you moved onto other things later) note that OP explicitly said this: Especially in the beginning when your skill set is lower, you need to compensate with higher volume. I …
/r/seduction09/07/24 11:39 AM
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No reason not to physically escalate on a coffee date (you can easily brush your leg against hers for example) I've never had problems with this That said if you're on the spectrum and find your physical escalation isn't working very well (girls regularly getting skittish when you touch them) you might want to do more verbal escalation first. Most people here aren't on the spectrum so they're not necessarily going to know how to deal with your specific situation, take advice for neurotypicals wi…
/r/seduction09/07/24 11:33 AM
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thats a good way to test the waters at the end of a coffee date, and lets you demonstrate that you understand consent this is not true
/r/seduction09/07/24 11:31 AM
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search "progressive desensitisation" in this sub
/r/seduction09/07/24 11:26 AM
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I heard that girls will make a judgement within the first 10 seconds of meeting you whether or not you’re fuckable. This is so wrong it hurts. Sure first impressions matter, it's a lot easier to seduce someone who's very receptive early on, but they're not set in stone and definitely not within the first 10 seconds.
/r/seduction09/07/24 11:21 AM
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It's not something you "have" to do, not necessarily. Sure, initiating a lot can take a lot of mental and emotional energy and time. But men who are good with women don't see it as a burden and tend to enjoy pursuing women for its own sake. And of course just mindlessly going for the absolute easiest wins isn't really seduction. Now of course you can choose not to follow this path but then I'd question what you're doing in this sub.
/r/seduction09/07/24 11:19 AM
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blackpillers have no argumentative capacity beyond saying "cope" every time anyone has an even slightly more complex understanding of sociosexual dynamics than the weirdos in their TikTok algorithm
/r/seduction09/07/24 11:17 AM
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having this kind of hierarchical thinking isn't good for your inner game she's not better or worse than you just either 1) not the right match or 2) you made a game mistake you can learn from there are plenty of women both more and less conventionally attractive than her who will be interested in you
/r/seduction08/07/24 10:55 AM
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your objections to people being in relationships make no sense to me Its so annoying, the girls always smile with a grin and say OH THANK YOU FOR approaching me but I have a BF! , with their stupid smile. So Seattle.... This happens everywhere what do you mean lol
/r/seduction08/07/24 10:49 AM
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this is a sub for humans not robots
/r/seduction08/07/24 10:37 AM
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50 an hour is really extreme volume you should be able to get some success with much less your objection about campus girls being in a rush doesn't make sense to me in light of how much volume you're doing. if you're doing 50 an hour you're also not having any long conversations with these downtown/shopping centre girls, that gives you a little over a minute per interaction (and that's assuming you have no dead time between interactions) we did have a guy in here who claimed to have success from…
/r/seduction08/07/24 10:33 AM
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That's so silly. People who succeed at dating apps recommned spending a lot of effort getting amazing photos and definitely recommend paying once you have a profile that works well enough to be "proof of concept". To succeed at OLD means to be good at marketing and to then pay so that your "ad" actually gets enough exposure. Now personally I don't bother with OLD at all. But half-assing it is really pointless; all it'll going to do is make you waste a lot of time swiping on profiles that haven't…
/r/seduction07/07/24 07:50 AM
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Many here believe looks matter others believe it’s plain bullshit Nope. Almost no-one has made the second claim.
/r/seduction07/07/24 07:46 AM
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Honestly, it feels like this sub has been taken over by guys who have absolutely zero interest in seduction or learning game, and who just want an echo chamber for a worldview that virtually only looks matter. Why are you on the seduction sub if you consider it a virtually irrelevant skillset? Very telling that they never respond to this question.
/r/seduction07/07/24 07:45 AM
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it's really pathetic that such solid reasoning is so heavily downvoted here, in a seduction forum no less and then the response is alway just blackpill articles of faith repeated again and again with no reasoning and endless mental gymnastics, coupled with the strawman that "looks don't matter" (which almost no-one has ever claimed)
/r/seduction07/07/24 07:45 AM
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No you shouldn't, that's too intense.
/r/seduction05/07/24 12:17 PM
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Neither. Your problem isn't that you're too honest, your problem is that your seduction skill is very low.
/r/seduction05/07/24 12:06 PM
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No I don’t use pickup terminology in my daily life. Just in pickup forums (so here).
/r/seduction04/07/24 08:21 AM
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Yes I understand the literal meaning of the expression. When I said “whatever that means” I meant that it’s irrelevant to the concept of shit tests (I was flippantly dismissing it, not suggesting a real lack of comprehension). It’s also an inherently reactive way of looking at things.
/r/seduction03/07/24 01:10 PM
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Nope, “shit test” is much broader than that. For example, “we won’t have sex tonight” is a shit test and the response is to seduce them not “put them in their place”, whatever that means. If you don’t want to engage no-one is forcing you to respond.
/r/seduction03/07/24 01:06 PM
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The issue isn’t the semantics but the underlying misunderstanding of the concept. If you see shit tests as fundamentally a form of “disrespect” you’re likely to be reactive and fail them as well as fail to identify milder shit tests.
/r/seduction03/07/24 12:43 PM
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Urban dictionary is not a valid source for pickup terminology and concepts
/r/seduction03/07/24 12:33 PM
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spend some time in field and you'll quickly realise it matters
/r/seduction03/07/24 11:18 AM
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I test women but not in a shit way lol The concept of shit tests has nothing to do with doing things in a shit way.
/r/seduction03/07/24 11:15 AM
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Surveys are self-reported and thus do not reliably represent actual behaviour.
/r/seduction03/07/24 11:14 AM
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thank you for dealing with this I'm so sick of having to respond to massively upvoted anti-game ideological bullshit
/r/seduction03/07/24 11:00 AM
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what country is that?
/r/seduction03/07/24 10:57 AM
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nah you're good man the way you're talking about this shows you're self-reflective enough to know the difference
/r/seduction03/07/24 10:52 AM
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this is a delusional way of seeing the world and your place in it like one thing is changing your subconscious beliefs, that's a lot harder, but you're at the point where you haven't even recognised these beliefs are wrong and have deeply delusional thought patterns at the conscious level
/r/seduction03/07/24 08:52 AM
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stop consuming online "gender war" content, it's giving you an extremely distorted view of the world. the vast majority of women aren't running around chasing free meals. the vast majority of women would prefer a fun date with a guy who knows how to flirt over getting a "free meal" from a guy they have no chemistry with.
/r/seduction03/07/24 08:52 AM
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you're a handsome and stylish guy
/r/seduction03/07/24 08:51 AM
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Nah in the real world there is a huge difference between a hard "no" and minor objections like "we just met" or a girl saying "we won't be having sex" before you even make a move. Teaching men to recognise hard "nos" is more useful than teaching them to treat "not right now" and "maybe" as a hard "no".
/r/seduction03/07/24 08:41 AM
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who cares about "subtle hints" just ask her out if you like her
/r/seduction03/07/24 04:06 AM
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Usually this doesn't happen to me with girls who I feel have developed some sort of attraction with. You've answered your own question. For more context she's really smart, studious and has a top corporate job. This is irrelevant.
/r/seduction03/07/24 04:04 AM
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I think it’s great you’ve identified a sticking point. That’s a good thing to work on. I’ve struggled with quantity/quality too at times and honestly you just have to prioritise one or the other at different times depending on what you’re trying to learn. For now it can make sense to allow your quantity to drop a bit and focus on quality of interactions — you can always go back to quantity later. But yea I appreciate ur advice and didn’t mean to sound like a dick but I genuinely believe that som…
/r/seduction02/07/24 02:08 PM
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Actually I gave you a lot of very specific advice in other comments that you haven’t addressed.
/r/seduction02/07/24 01:54 PM
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How can I provide a counterargument to rank nonsense that didn’t even exist until 5 or so years ago when it became popular on the Facebook and Youtube algorithm? My counterargument is “go outside”. It is like debating the Earth being round, I’ve yet to meet a blackpilled doomer who doesn’t endlessly move the goalposts, confuse anecdotes with broader trends and use circular reasoning.
/r/seduction02/07/24 01:51 PM
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I’ve given you what you need to tear yourself away from this nonsense. Stop consuming gender war content. It you want to wallow in delusions be my guest. I’m not going to debate whether the Earth is round with you.
/r/seduction02/07/24 01:47 PM
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We know that apps are saturated and you need amazing photos to get good results If doing apps makes you more nervous and desperate take a break from them Or if you’re serious about getting results on the apps make your next project taking lots of photos and testing different profiles for a while
/r/seduction02/07/24 06:03 AM
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Focus on the next sticking point and find ways to develop your intrinsic motivation and enjoyment of the learning process In my experience being impatient makes things take longer Also if you’ve already done hundreds of good-effort approaches (showed some interest and went for the close) and have gotten laid from pickup you’re not really in beginner’s hell anymore… it seems like you need to work on your inner game and maybe take a break from the apps Best case scenario they were in 1 relationshi…
/r/seduction02/07/24 06:00 AM
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nail on the head who the hell downvoted this lol this is like game 101
/r/seduction01/07/24 03:23 PM
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Yes I agree. A big part of advice-giving on the internet is that a lot of it is very random and decontextualised, and with dating it gets worse because people mix in a lot of ideology and emotions. The good thing about pickup as a framework is that it’s actually coherent and cohesive and gives you a bit more of a bird’s eye view.
/r/seduction01/07/24 03:20 PM
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She’s trying to make you jealous because she likes you and you gave her a malebrained response instead of treating it like a shit test
/r/seduction01/07/24 03:15 PM
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Yes if you distort OP’s comment with a completely irrelevant analogy it does sound stupid…
/r/seduction29/06/24 08:03 AM
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Why did she not ask for money then lol Getting high and then leaving seems like a weird way to hustle for johns
/r/seduction28/06/24 09:50 AM
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What kind of answer would you expect? You didn't really suggest a concrete plan or anything. Honestly her response is totally reasonable. Try again next week but in future ask girls out when there's actually a time you can give them You wanted to lock her in out of nervousness and fearing you'll lose her if you don't ask her out right away
/r/seduction27/06/24 05:58 PM
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invite her to something cool you'd already be doing anyway I don't see what the point of this is.
/r/seduction27/06/24 05:55 PM
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It makes you realize the initial rejections aren't that big a deal, and then the momentum just takes over. No I mean warmups where there is no real risk of rejection. Did you focus on the counting Yes
/r/seduction27/06/24 01:08 PM
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I don't think this matters at all. If you like her escalate next time you see her. I don't see what sense there is in beating yourself down over this.
/r/seduction27/06/24 07:01 AM
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Pre-approach: take your focus away from the approach and work on bringing up your vibe. It's not about being high energy. You want to get to a state where you don't have nervous energy, and come across as friendly (at the very least). I don't think this is something that can be forced consciously. What puts me in this state is doing warmups and giving hit-and-run compliments. Then when you see a woman you'd like to approach, count down from 5 to 0. The moment you start counting, start walking ov…
/r/seduction27/06/24 06:58 AM
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There’s no “supposed to”, obviously women should sleep with who they want to but if your goal is casual sex and your conversion rate from dates is under 7% then your filtering or your escalation are failing, likely both
/r/seduction26/06/24 07:44 PM
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I don’t live in the US (never have and hopefully never will) and have no interest in what your obesity rates are. I agree that if you’re obese and want to improve your dating life losing weight should be one of your top priorities (I’ve said as much in every one of my responses to you). I’m not a dating coach and don’t particularly care about defending any of them. Not sure why you invoke them in every one of your comments rather than actually addressing the content of my comments.
/r/seduction26/06/24 05:32 PM
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Thank you for staking out your actual position this time (effectively an extreme "looks are almost the only thing that matter") rather than resorting to the very minimalist "don't be an unkempt hobo/obese." I'm glad my "utter rubbish" finally managed to get it out of you (but I would have preferred it if you had just said it the first time). I don't care about dating coaches so I'm not sure why you keep invoking them. Not a single person has a problem getting dates if he is not a hobo/homer simp…
/r/seduction26/06/24 05:23 PM
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I explicitly said in the comment you’re responding to that I am in favour of basic grooming and fitness. Definitely being substantially overweight is a bad idea of you want to improve your dating life. You’re responding to a position that doesn’t exist. This was in fact the point of my comment and one you haven’t addressed.
/r/seduction26/06/24 05:01 PM
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Every time anyone talks about looksmaxxing we get this weird reductio ad absurdum There is a difference between the extremes of “looksmaxxing” discourse and suggesting basic grooming and fitness Almost no-one suggests looking like an unkempt hobo
/r/seduction26/06/24 01:12 PM
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well it’s in the name isn’t it — looksmaxxing, meaning making your looks your main priority edit: looksmaxxers and other “pill” cultists can only ever offer downvotes and fallacious thinking. I’m yet to see a counterargument to anything I’ve said
/r/seduction26/06/24 01:11 PM
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I have asked bottle service girls out in Toronto and they would never tell me that I need to “Buy them out.” They just say to me that they have a boyfriend. So you got rejected in both cities. I fail to see the relevance of any of this to game. All it shows is that bottle service girls in Miami hustle more.
/r/seduction26/06/24 01:08 PM
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you're right about dinner but the rest of your advice has nothing to do with closing on dates
/r/seduction26/06/24 06:23 AM
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start by giving compliments on style or specific clothing items if that is too much start by giving a compliment as you leave the interaction
/r/seduction26/06/24 06:20 AM
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That's fair, which is why many people on seduction say to work on themselves above all else. No one gains confidence over night, its done through inner reflection, working on themselves to be better, more open minded, and build strong self esteem. And also by approaching a lot while reflecting on it in the right way.
/r/seduction22/06/24 05:57 AM
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well yes I wasn't playing my cards right. cold approach teaches you to play your cards right because every interaction you're experimenting and playing a set of cards. whereas in social circle you can easily faff about and just socialise and not playing any cards at all or play them badly without getting enough experience to really improve or undo bad habits
/r/seduction21/06/24 04:37 AM
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wild haha
/r/seduction20/06/24 01:22 PM
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whether she's into you or not, how you approach this can improve your rep and have her friends thinking that you're a pretty great guy and they'd be lucky. it can lead to something else if not with her (although obviously, hopefully with her). I hear this all the time on the internet but I have never observed it in real life. How many times has this happened to you?
/r/seduction20/06/24 12:11 PM
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the way Todd V talks about frame it's more about the underlying assumptions that go into a conversation and whose assumptions end up being adopted by the other person
/r/seduction20/06/24 09:19 AM
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I did "expanding my social circle" all through uni and my experience is that cold approach works much better If you put yourself in situations to meet beautiful women, the opportunities will come. It’s your job to recognize them and take advantage of them when you can. You get better at this with more practice, which means approaching more women and not limiting yourself to your social circle.
/r/seduction20/06/24 09:14 AM
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all of that stuff mostly comes from experience and practice, it's not a mindset you can really force
/r/seduction20/06/24 09:11 AM
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There's a grain of truth to what you're saying but it's unlikely you get "tons" of IOIs on a daily basis.
/r/seduction20/06/24 08:29 AM
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weird the only rock climbing gym I've been to was almost entirely dudes and couples
/r/seduction20/06/24 08:27 AM
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I disagree with OP but your statement is also too extreme. Yes, sometimes women are just nice and not trying to get attention. Sometimes some women are doing things partially or largely for attention. Who doesn't like attention? Honestly I don't even fault women for "using" me for attention. They need the attention and I need the flirting experience, it's win-win.
/r/seduction20/06/24 08:25 AM
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that's not true I'm a dude and I make eye contact with all kinds of people in fact plenty of PUAs advise warming up in a session just by making eye contact with randoms
/r/seduction20/06/24 08:24 AM
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the problem is that people constantly advise against at approaching women who aren't giving you signs, if the girl isn't smiling at you or checking you out you're automatically "bothering" them if you try to start a conversation but then if you try to look for signs you're also wrong for reading into things! really the solution is not to bother with signs and just talk to who you want to talk to. but it's totally normal that people fall into this trap based on the common advice (often coming fro…
/r/seduction20/06/24 08:23 AM
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@PeanutAnnual6119 I can't respond because that TRT guy blocked me. No, I can tell you from experience this is not true. This doesn't even make sense on the face of it since women are much less systematic about their dating life than men are in general, very few go out of their way to chase guys. If you're discounting the possibility in advance that you could impress a girl that is not on the look out at any given moment you're refusing to engage with seduction in any real way. It would also make…
/r/seduction20/06/24 04:49 AM
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The most recent happening I asked for her whatsapp and she called my number and then I messaged her later and heard nothing. Yeah so these IOIs don't matter. I used to a lot more but led nowhere. I asked you how often. "I used to a lot more" is not useful information to me since I don't know how often you are approaching now. But it does suggest to me you're not doing much volume and probably didn't do so before either.
/r/seduction20/06/24 04:36 AM
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It’s certainly the easiest way to do it. You claimed that any other way is "desperate". If you're going to revise your claim to it being easier rather than being the only option then we agree. If you wanted to eat something, would you go and hang around restaurants that are closed but may open later in the day? Or do you go to a place which is open and waiting for clients? If you were trying to get a point across, would you just make a cogent argument or would you present an irrelevant metaphor …
/r/seduction19/06/24 07:08 PM
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No he means that you have experiences together which creates friendship.
/r/seduction19/06/24 07:06 PM
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Sit with them once the set hooks? I'm not aware of any way to make a seated set hook that's different to standing sets.
/r/seduction19/06/24 07:04 PM
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So you can only sleep with women who are "out to meet men" at any given moment?
/r/seduction19/06/24 07:02 PM
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Did you sleep with any of these women? How did you know it "worked" if neither of you escalated? How often do you run approaches?
/r/seduction19/06/24 06:59 PM
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yeah I haven't read the book but I've seen some videos and read some articles and honestly he just seems like a self-help guru, no real framework
/r/seduction19/06/24 06:55 PM
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why is the thread pinned though?
/r/seduction19/06/24 06:49 PM
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I’m actually Canadian then you have no excuse
/r/seduction18/06/24 05:54 PM
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Vast majority of guys don’t study seduction anyway, it seems to have inherent niche appeal When it comes to all this grindset and hustle culture stuff that’s just a reflection of extreme US provincialism in this forum, again doesn’t have much to do with seduction If this sub had an Italian majority you’d all be talking about how women only care about how good your spaghetti is rather than all this grindset money money money stuff
/r/seduction17/06/24 09:21 PM
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He didn’t, he claimed to refute it (“money does equal women”) and claimed that money itself gives “exponential” increases in women
/r/seduction12/06/24 07:27 AM
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it takes a humble person to admit that I can’t keep a man Of course, I think it's wonderful you're being self-reflective. I didn't mean what I said as an insult. We all have ego, so do I! The issue is identifying where our ego is limiting us or driving us towards bad decisions. What I meant that their attention flatters your ego, but you haven't really spoken about whether you even really liked these guys or saw them as good partners. What are you looking for in a man? The goal should be to find…
/r/seduction02/06/24 03:54 PM
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You had more plausible social access to single women when you were younger I had the same problem at mid 20s, I was like why when I’m more confident and in shape am I getting less female interest. The reason was I was out of uni But now that I’ve been doing cold approach I’ve had more dates than ever
/r/seduction01/06/24 09:23 AM
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Has nothing to do with being beautiful or “intimidating” Generally when I see this problem it’s that the girl gets stuck on guys rather than nexting them I hear all the time how beautiful and perfect I snd have even been told “I love you” within the first couple dates so I really get my self esteem pumped up This is your ego talking
/r/seduction01/06/24 09:21 AM
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it was one very short interaction, most of the post was your backstory and such
/r/seduction30/05/24 02:19 PM
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Just in case you missed my edit, I’m reposting it: I don't want to discourage you over you being a beginner, we've all been there, you're taking the correct baby steps, it's just that this post is not a field report and you'll have to do this many times to make measurable progress
/r/seduction30/05/24 02:13 PM
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Dunning-Kruger at work Get back to us in 5 months, good luck edit: I don't want to discourage you over you being a beginner, we've all been there, you're taking the correct baby steps, it's just that this post is not a field report and you'll have to do this many times to make measurable progress
/r/seduction30/05/24 02:09 PM
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I understand there's not anything specific, but we are being too general False! I told you to do either meditation or therapy. Those are very specific recommendations. As I said, they will not directly give you friends. But they will help you reduce your extreme neurosis, which is your main problem. Ok, I need to try different things but what are these things precisely? Get a job that involves people Go to uni or a trade school Go to any kind of social activity or class Try at least one of these…
/r/seduction30/05/24 12:37 PM
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it's not really a field report opening for the sake of opening and doing drive-by compliments is a good thing to practice so good on you but just doing it once doesn't really teach you much
/r/seduction30/05/24 12:27 PM
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There’s no guarantee of anything specific resolving your issues. You need to try different things with an open mind and then ask questions about specific challenges you’re facing. The truth is that to get out of your situation you need to 1) put in the work and 2) engage in self-reflection. Well I think I'm just way too shy and have a bit of social anxiety Yes, we’ve established that. This needs to be stamped out if you want to have a decent social life.
/r/seduction30/05/24 11:52 AM
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I mean exactly what I said.
/r/seduction30/05/24 11:50 AM
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I don't think meditation makes me have friends We were talking about resolving your extreme neurosis and lack of sociability.
/r/seduction30/05/24 11:13 AM
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“I’ve tried nothing and I’m all out of ideas”
/r/seduction30/05/24 11:12 AM
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if Italy is so different what are you doing on an Anglophone-dominated subreddit? go ask some Italians how to make friends
/r/seduction30/05/24 10:58 AM
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You need to spend more time socialising, less time online Ideally spend some time exercising and doing either meditation or therapy
/r/seduction30/05/24 10:51 AM
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Either they offer or you ask them to set you up with one of their friends. After all, you've been pre-approved as nice and women LOVE playing the matchmaker How many times has this happened for you? How on earth are you single and Douchebag #11 that she was talking to found a new girl?! Douchebag #11 probably has some game or other attractive qualities. OP needs to learn to be attractive, not sneak his way into women's lives through social circle nonsense.
/r/seduction30/05/24 10:30 AM
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Also, often there are more women than men in classes In my experience this is only true in solo classes, not in partner dance classes. In partner dance classes it'll generally be an even split, occasionally more men.
/r/seduction30/05/24 10:26 AM
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“Not not trying” is not good enough. If you want to improve your dating life you have to actively work on reaching a normal baseline of sociability.
/r/seduction30/05/24 10:13 AM
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You also have to consider that I'm in Italy so girls are not as friendly as in other countries. Girls in Italy are just like girls anywhere else. I'm really shy, I tend to overthink way too much and I'm insecure Step 1 is to fix this. Social neurosis is a massive stumbling block when meeting women. Don’t bother with cold approach for now. Once you have reduced your extreme neurosis to a normal baseline you can start refocusing.
/r/seduction30/05/24 10:09 AM
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Relatively uncommon but not unusual I'm approaching 30 and I've been asked out three times in my entire life edit: why was this downvoted lol it's true
/r/seduction30/05/24 10:02 AM
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Better to just ask directly for number or Ig. I’m not really sure what you mean by this. Are you saying to ask for the number at the start of the conversation? And lastly, don't limit yourself to scarcely dressed or cake face women to have an "easier win chance". I think men learning cold approach are more likely to be intimidated by such women rather than target them because they believe they’re “easy”. I believe here you’re speaking more from a place of female insecurity (“men only pursue the …
/r/seduction30/05/24 09:59 AM
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she’ll let you know if you flirt with her or ask her out
/r/seduction30/05/24 09:55 AM
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I never “fake it til I make it”, I’ve never found that to be a particularly useful framework If I’m nervous I’m nervous Not being nervous comes from experience not from masking your nervousness, which is largely pointless I struggle with approaching women because in my mind I don’t want them to think I’m hitting on them The way I began to overcome this was by asking for directions or café recommendations and then giving compliments while leaving. Over time you become more and more comfortable op…
/r/seduction30/05/24 09:52 AM
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Yes it can be hard to work with semi-natural but lazy wings when you still need to get experience and learn the ropes Either stop going out with him if its not enjoyable or try to make the best showing you can while you’re with him and don’t bother discussing theory
/r/seduction26/05/24 07:20 PM
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legitimate to set a boundary here if that’s what you want to do but “shut the fuck up” and “I don’t give a fuck about your ex” is not setting a boundary or setting rules in a serious tone
/r/seduction26/05/24 03:08 PM
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search "progressive desensitisation" in this sub
/r/seduction26/05/24 11:40 AM
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reactive and tryhard
/r/seduction26/05/24 11:33 AM
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it's also bad game because it's reactive af
/r/seduction26/05/24 11:32 AM
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This is my problem with all this “post-pickup” stuff They’ll go through lengths to distance themselves from the label, but in practice recycle old PUA advice but present it in a way that’s much vaguer and thus less effective
/r/seduction25/05/24 03:39 PM
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100 a day is a lot No-one said anything about your looks not sure why that’s relevant
/r/seduction23/05/24 07:03 AM
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no-one who is at all proactive is getting a 3/5 interaction to lay rate lol
/r/seduction22/05/24 07:08 PM
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I have nothing against this specific style of game or the way you’re going about approaching. Using indirect and social openers definitely has lots of advantages. At best I'm approaching the group, but only socially. Yes. or seduce her, or to try to get her to like me [...] going over to display sexual interest in order to impress them Going over with the frame that you’re trying to “impress” someone or “make them like you” is bad inner game, regardless of whether your style is direct or indirec…
/r/seduction09/05/24 08:03 AM
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Of course to get some girls you don’t have to run daygame or any kind of cold approach. But if you want to actually expand your options in a way that doesn’t require you to have some lifestyle gimmick (like being a dance instructor or photographer or something), then I don’t know any better way.
/r/seduction09/05/24 07:56 AM
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you implied otherwise by bringing up BDSM in a thread that has nothing to do with it
/r/seduction08/05/24 05:39 PM
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That's just not true at all. Currency is a fairly arbitrary cultural artefact that has only existed in certain societies. People were buying things with "fur pelts" in "caveman days", lol. You're projecting capitalist forms of relation on previous societies that were completely different.
/r/seduction08/05/24 05:40 AM
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money was barely used in 700 BC and it didn't exist at all in "caveman days"
/r/seduction08/05/24 05:28 AM
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No seduction is definitely not simple anyone who tells you that is lying to you What typical guys say in "locker room talk" has very little bearing on how to play the game well I'd suggest trying to find girls with better logistics honestly. With this girl invite her over when you're parents aren't around and escalate, if it doesn't work move on
/r/seduction08/05/24 05:22 AM
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The "kink community" represents an infinitesimally small proportion of the general population, and even within BDSM circles the majority of straight women are subs That's not to mention the fact that wanting to be the dom in a BDSM dynamic does not necessarily mean you don't want a man who's confident and knows how to hold his own in other contexts
/r/seduction08/05/24 05:12 AM
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No, I literally don't approach women. Approaching has the connotation of going over to a girl and flirting in order to try to impress her so you get a date with her. “Approach” means go over and say something. What you’re talking about is establishing pre-selection and building momentum within a venue, which is a good strategy but does not mean you are not approaching. And it’s also not the only valid style. Later on, I won't have to "approach" girls at all. Instead I can just re-engage them, or…
/r/seduction08/05/24 02:00 AM
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Yeah I totally agree. Not sure why this perspective is so unpopular in this sub (unless it’s a beginner who does an “FR” with a single approach, then it’s all high-fives). Daygame helps you to get the best out of new cities Yes! Being able to approach strangers also makes it much easier to practice foreign languages if you’re learning them…
/r/seduction07/05/24 07:00 PM
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Seriously what’s the point of this…? Practicing seduction, i.e., the skill that this sub is based around. Why are you here?
/r/seduction07/05/24 06:36 PM
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I don't approach. I just mingle and show social value I.e. you do approach literally by definition. Please stop equivocating and redefining words that already have clear meanings.
/r/seduction07/05/24 06:34 PM
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I couldn’t give two shits about my career
/r/seduction07/05/24 06:29 PM
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This post cant be serious???? Sorry but doing this 4 days a week for hours is not possible for everyone and it’s absolutely not worth it, in fact I would call it a waste of time. Have you considered that: 1) some people have different interests and priorities to you 2) some people pursue their interests with dedication
/r/seduction07/05/24 06:26 PM
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There’s a difference between being direct and closing right after opening lol
/r/seduction07/05/24 06:24 PM
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Your advice is contradictory. First you tell him that he’s approaching at too many venues and then you say he’s approaching too few women. Which is it? Other than that I agree.
/r/seduction04/05/24 08:40 AM
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I didn't say that "you can only seduce for suface level fun". I made a much more concrete factual statement: this subreddit is in favour of casual sex. This is a correct statement — all you need to do is read the sidebar and pay attention to what the vast majority of posts are about to understand this.
/r/seduction02/05/24 04:38 PM
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Why are you here? This sub is in favour if casual sex.
/r/seduction02/05/24 01:29 PM
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You probably just don’t know how to flirt and escalate yet, nothing really to do with being good or bad
/r/seduction02/05/24 01:28 PM
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I definitely agree with that, thanks for clarifying. The moral/attitude stuff was sandwiched between the more technical advice so that’s why I misread your overall tone.
/r/seduction02/05/24 01:13 PM
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I’m not suggesting you should’ve been more lenient in the sense of allowing mistakes and false ideas to go by unchallenged. Being critical is great. What I am against is shaming people for being wrong about something or bad at a learnable skill.
/r/seduction02/05/24 01:06 PM
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that in this space a bit of blunt/teasing advice is still good if taken at face value In my experience this is not true for seduction or any other skill. The advice that helped me out when I was starting out was calm and lucid and did not shame anyone for being bad at the skill before having learnt it.
/r/seduction02/05/24 01:03 PM
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I definitely agree advice doesn’t need to be lovey-dovey either I don’t like OP’s tone either
/r/seduction02/05/24 12:15 PM
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There are a lot of hard skills in the world but I find that if you’re going to discuss the theory behind them it’s more productive to be lucid and calm about it No-one here is “offended”, not sure what you mean
/r/seduction02/05/24 12:12 PM
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I think your advice would be more useful if it was less aggressive
/r/seduction02/05/24 07:31 AM
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Ridiculous advice
/r/seduction27/04/24 05:24 AM
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I’ve grappled with this as well. I think this is coming from a place of perfectionism rather than playing the game to the best of your ability with whatever conditions you’re given. 1) Understand that the vibe and how you say things is more important than the actual words. Focus on being relaxed and projecting the right energy rather than impressing with the right words. 2) Understand that good game is mostly normal conversation with a sprinkling of flirting and escalation on top to move things …
/r/seduction26/04/24 09:39 AM
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Both are very serious time investments so if you want to have any other hobbies or interests it's likely to be one or the other until you at least get somewhat good at one of them I don't understand how guys here think it's reasonable to be going to the gym constantly while also doing both constant tweeks to an online profile and endless swiping and running enough cold approaches to get decent results while also doing social circle stuff and having other interests that have nothing to do with da…
/r/seduction24/04/24 09:01 AM
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I don't really understand point 3. All the major apps have become pay-to-play so if you're paying for subscriptions on all three while also paying for things like boosts and superlikes or whatever then it's starting to become a major investment. That's all while it being a fairly mediocre experience in general (i.e. based on gambling app mechanisms) and with "dry" periods where you're swiping and getting nothing out of it. If anything you're going to get more bang for your buck by optimising one…
/r/seduction24/04/24 09:00 AM
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yes if what you want is more experience and practice then going to a place with high volume for the sake of volume is good. every PUA does this. in daygame we do busy streets/shopping centers and in nightgame it's big mainstream clubs
/r/seduction18/04/24 04:36 AM
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yeah the only thing it's tough to let it stand because sometimes he gets a lot of upvotes which can be kind of misleading for confused beginners... it's hard enough for people to get over their emotional hangups around pickup without people even in a seduction sub discouraging them from doing it not sure why he hasn't been banned yet, I report every one of his comments where he directly insults someone and none of them have even been deleted by mods
/r/seduction15/04/24 04:39 AM
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I can tell you from extensive experience that this is not true. How many total strangers have you approached over the past week?
/r/seduction14/04/24 02:47 PM
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To a certain degree yes, but it overemphasises things like looks, money and absolute status and underemphasises relative status and charisma
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 02:46 PM
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which is why "pill" ideologies are extremely pernicious when it comes to men actually learning to seduce and improve their dating prospects... even if you're a good option on paper you're going to do much worse than you otherwise would if you learned to emotionally stimulate women through initiating playful conversations and flirting this is also the trap that the typical "nice guys" fall into, they provide the woman with comfort which is definitely part of the equation, but making her feel desi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 07:50 AM
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There’s a difference between being receptive and actually escalating. Women cannot be relied on to do the latter.
/r/seduction14/04/24 03:18 AM
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You don’t need to do that, a simple “excuse me” will do.
/r/seduction14/04/24 03:09 AM
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as long as headphones or earbuds are not in There’s no real correlation between headphones and willingness to chat. I used to believe this but field experience kept contradicting it so I had to let go of this idea. They would reach out if they wanted to This isn’t true. There are lots of women that never text first.
/r/seduction13/04/24 10:39 PM
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I imagine he'll get over it once you're over your "leaving exactly the same comment in any thread that mentions day game" period
/r/seduction13/04/24 08:30 PM
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So now you're in favour of approaching people during the day with canned openers?
/r/seduction13/04/24 07:10 PM
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This is basic bro nonsense and has nothing to do with seduction…
/r/seduction12/04/24 06:31 PM
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If you're genuinely curious about Amsterdam and the Dutch language I'm sure you'll also find lots of locals who would love to share information about their city/country with you. That's been my experience opening German locals in English and asking for cafe recommendations and then switching over to shakier German. They might not sleep with you or give you their number of course but it's a good way to start getting experience. Good luck!
/r/seduction12/04/24 10:27 AM
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Definitely. To make day game work it's easier if you have intrinsic motivation and view it as a way to build your social skills up holistically. Focus on the next sticking point (starting out the main hurdle will generally be approach anxiety) and playing the game to the best of your ability rather than getting any specific result. It can be a bit of an odyssey but it works and is worth it if you put the time and effort in in the right way. I saw you posting about Duolingo and so I'd just like t…
/r/seduction12/04/24 09:58 AM
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Just a heads up, ROBYouTube is notorious around here for giving some of the worst advice possible for beginners and then directly insulting anyone who bothers to criticise his nonsense. He's also extremely prolific so people evenutally get tired of arguing with him. It's a wonder he's not been banned yet. I wouldn't bother engaging with this personally. You're on the right track and it's good you've identified a sticking point.
/r/seduction12/04/24 09:17 AM
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You are going to have a hard time finding women talking to you while attempting to do some day game. I live in Germany and I find women who are willing to chat for a bit almost every day.
/r/seduction12/04/24 08:52 AM
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Women give this "non-look" pretty much everywhere. This is why in pickup we don't rely on approach invitations. If I'd relied entirely on approach invitations I never would've started (because I wouldn't have worn down my AA at all) and never would've gotten any lays or dates from this. As the man if you want to get good at seduction and not rely on fate you have to learn to take minor social risks. I lived in like four different countries before starting pickup and I pretty much failed (/had me…
/r/seduction12/04/24 08:50 AM
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What do you want from this guy? If what you want is emotional validation and attention, I'd avoid engaging with him at all because even if you end up going on a date or hooking up you'll probably get stuck on him and feel used. If you just find him attractive and want to hook up, I'd say go for it. If you want a relationship, I'd question whether someone who treats you this way is worth starting a relationship with.
/r/seduction12/04/24 08:34 AM
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Day game is uncommon pretty much everywhere in the West. Being able to bend the rules a bit while still coming across as socially normal (what in pickup is referred to as "calibration") is a fairly attractive quality that many women will find compelling. Amsterdam would be great for day game. Lots of foot traffic and trendy neighbourhoods, lots of young tourists and recent arrivals/foreign students... that makes things much easier for beginners. I live in a smaller and less touristy city than yo…
/r/seduction12/04/24 08:30 AM
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I'm far from being insanely experienced but I've done day game in both Germany and Australia and so far I see no major difference in how it functions. The only difference I would say is 1) depending on the weather (too hot, raining, too cold, etc.) you might see more or less people outside (I still get a lot more AA in shops and shopping centers than on the street so this makes a big difference for me at least for now) and 2) if you have a lot of people who have just moved there it's a bit easie…
/r/seduction12/04/24 08:15 AM
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Stop speaking like a fucking idiot. Is your disagreement entirely semantic or do you have any issue with the actual content of my comments? Humans don't talk like that. What am I, a Martian?
/r/seduction09/04/24 08:34 AM
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So you do approach, you just use exclusively situational openers and exclusively in night life settings.
/r/seduction09/04/24 07:41 AM
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Why would I do something that is worse in literally every way than my current method. I’m not telling you to do anything other than to stop giving advice on something you know nothing about. I spent on average about 30 hours a week in pubs and nightclubs from age 16 to about 26. I assure you I have every skill worth having. You spent dozens of hours a week in nightlife but never initiated conversations with female strangers?
/r/seduction09/04/24 07:02 AM
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I don't approach women I don't know. That behaviour is for weird losers. Why are you giving advice on a skill you don’t have? I meet huge numbers of women with my normal work and social life. Not everyone is going to be able to meet women through work. Social life, sure, although if you spend time socialising outside of inherently social settings you get even better at it.
/r/seduction09/04/24 06:22 AM
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confidence comes from taking action as best you can at any given moment and getting positive reference experience. It mostly doesn’t come from external things like having a degree or muscles dont make it your whole purpose Seduction is a complex skill that takes lots of time and effort to develop.
/r/seduction09/04/24 03:16 AM
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Sure. I can get around that. Weird how you immediately do exactly what you're warning against though. He didn’t. He suggested very specific actions and behaviours based on experience. but it is also a sign of borderline antisocial levels of emotional intelligence If you’re already socially normal, just running your mouth gets you the hook more often than cautiously wading into the conversation and waiting for the person to give you permission to express yourself. It’s counter-intuitive but you s…
/r/seduction09/04/24 02:59 AM
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actually going out and meeting women in some capacity is much more important than going to the gym and “being educated” doing cold approaches regularly and with some degree of skill is much harder than going to the gym
/r/seduction09/04/24 02:45 AM
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He does no cold approaches, has no social activities with girls in them, and a bad Tinder profile. Just fb and insta. That’s not putting in the work.
/r/seduction08/04/24 07:30 PM
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I suggest he makes dating a major priority and spend a lot of time on it
/r/seduction08/04/24 05:57 PM
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the more you force things the more they can smell your desesperation, just try to pull as you go tru life, dont make it the whole objective IMO Why are you giving OP the most wrong advice possible
/r/seduction08/04/24 09:00 AM
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What a baselessly negative view of the world and people
/r/seduction08/04/24 08:28 AM
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Can’t believe you’re being downvoted for this on a pickup sub
/r/seduction08/04/24 07:25 AM
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Dating is an independent domain that poses plenty of unique challenges that require specific attention. Not everything can be covered by generic self-help.
/r/seduction28/03/24 07:17 AM
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I think the issue is that you’re viewing seduction as a science experiment. I view seduction in exactly the same way I'd view any other complex skill I'd want to get better at, like dance, fitness or a foreign language. What works for one woman does not work for others. Then why are you making general claims about what does and doesn't work? If it's all entirely variable and individual there is no such thing as appropriate and inappropriate venues. There’s a reason why women don’t like being pic…
/r/seduction27/03/24 03:34 AM
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Maybe this is the reason for the ad? Personally I understood it to be about cat calling and street harassment, but sure, maybe that's what it meant. Cold approach doesn’t mean bothering someone who is clearly walking at a relatively fast pace There is plenty of infield that shows walking walking sets going well. But as I said, I do only approach people who are standing still or walking at a leisurely pace. You have to pick your battles, especially when you're not so experienced yet. I certainly …
/r/seduction26/03/24 10:51 PM
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Short-form infield videos are mostly awful. All I see is guys using cheesy pickup lines and asking girls for their snapchat like 3 seconds into the interaction.
/r/seduction26/03/24 09:04 PM
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Typical blackpill goalpost shifting. If he tells you that actually he is below 5'6'' you'll start talking about his skin colour or his jawline or his hair quality or something.
/r/seduction26/03/24 08:59 PM
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I actually agree with you on the ad, to me it seems more like it's making a point against cat calling than striking up conversations on the street. That said, some of your counterarguments don't make sense to me. it’s pretty clear the female is kind of minding her own business Well yes, but the subject at hand is cold approaching, isn't it? This whole sub centres around engaging people who are "minding their own business". it’s not a social setting like a bar where she’s open to conversation. In…
/r/seduction26/03/24 08:57 PM
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No. People wear headphones because they like listening to music or podcasts. Anyway who has actually run any reasonable amount of approaches has realised that there's not much of a correlation between headphones and willingness to be chatted up. I used to have this insecurity, but when I was starting out I accidentally did some anti-AA practice approaches on girls who I hadn't even realised were wearing headphones and it quite quickly disabused me of it.
/r/seduction26/03/24 08:48 PM
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Plenty of people have given you sober and well-formulated counterarguments across multiple threads. In response you tend to directly insult people rather than addressing anyone's actual arguments.
/r/seduction26/03/24 08:34 PM
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This is circular reasoning. You’re saying “she slept with me, therefore she was comfortable, therefore comfort is the most important thing”. Everyone agrees that comfort is important, but it is not the only thing, and you can’t level the entire seduction process into one factor.
/r/seduction20/03/24 01:44 PM
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No, that is not “the” goal. It is part of it, but not the full story. You also need attraction; i.e. the “spark”. The point is that you’re identifying as one “it” something that is made up of distinct phenomena. It is important to keep this in mind because value and comfort can sometimes contradict each other.
/r/seduction20/03/24 01:42 PM
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Yes, comfort is important in seduction. But you are redefining and overextending the concept and equivocating in your responses to people who have pointed it out.
/r/seduction20/03/24 01:39 PM
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I’m saying that you’re overextending the concept of comfort to include things that don’t fall under comfort, but value. Your framework is too broad.
/r/seduction20/03/24 01:37 PM
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I’d recommend Start off doing easier approaches. Go to a bar, women are hoping to be approached there. On the street is a more difficult game (but rewarding). I find the street much easier personally and more likely to get positive reactions early in the interaction. Granted, I have done much more of it.
/r/seduction20/03/24 01:37 PM
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Why redefine comfort to include value when we already have the concept of value?
/r/seduction20/03/24 01:33 PM
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Except you're not entirely comfortable with him because you're not comfortable with the idea of him fucking you. You’re equivocating massively here. That’s not how the word “comfort” is used in common parlance or in pickup jargon.
/r/seduction20/03/24 01:31 PM
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I wouldn't say it's pedantry. I'm disagreeing with the main argument of your comment — that the concept of seduction is unnecessary or outdated. I would say that's a major disagreement and not just me quibbling over words and definitions. I'll ignore the comment about my likability since it's not at all relevant to the subject at hand.
/r/seduction11/03/24 11:05 AM
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Well you said "sometimes". The other times are when seduction is necessary, as you yourself say ("you make them feel the right things inside").
/r/seduction11/03/24 10:49 AM
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I prioritise dating much higher than the gym. Work is a thing where I just clock in and do it because I have to, so it's not really a question of priorities. I don't do swiping apps and I don't meet girls through Instagram.
/r/seduction11/03/24 10:36 AM
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you make them feel the right things inside So in short, you do need to seduce them.
/r/seduction11/03/24 09:38 AM
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Yes
/r/seduction10/03/24 04:28 PM
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Definitely take a break, reflect a bit and try and figure out what your sticking points are. You haven't described much of your process so it'll be hard for anyone here to figure out what the issue is.
/r/seduction10/03/24 12:15 PM
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That's social circle stuff. Day game means approaching total strangers.
/r/seduction10/03/24 12:06 PM
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There is such a thing as compatibility, proximity, comfort, varied tastes, and a million other factors. You're not constantly in direct competition with every "badass".
/r/seduction10/03/24 08:00 AM
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Then you need to expand your knowledge Well that's why I asked you the question, isn't it? So what are the other 7 and have you tried them all? People talk about Bumble and Hinge all the time in here. edit: bruh why are you downvoting just answer the question lol
/r/seduction10/03/24 05:31 AM
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