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That's because traditionally, woman=bad, man=good.
/r/MensRights22/09/13 11:33 PM
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What about the fact that people who say women who wear short skirts deserve getting raped (who preceded feminism) think men are controlled by their penises? Do you agree with that statement? If you do, then surely feminists aren't at the root of these beliefs. Furthermore, I don't know the authors of the above quotes, but I disagree with all of them. There are extremists in every movement; it's not unique to feminism.
/r/MensRights23/01/13 03:11 AM
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I don't think you understand feminism. Feminists believe the opposite: that men are not idiots controlled by their penises, and therefore they can and should be held accountable for their actions. The belief that men are controlled by their penises is most widely held by anti-feminists; the same people who think women should wear the burka or abstain from wearing short skirts if they don't want to get raped.
/r/MensRights22/01/13 02:41 AM
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I highly doubt any serious feminist would approve of this movie.
/r/MensRights21/01/13 09:31 PM
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Wouldn't that be equivalent to ageism though? If the 35 year old can stand and isn't disabled, I don't see why I should give up my seat. Outside of people with disabilities, old people who have trouble walking, and pregnant women, bus seats are on a first come first served basis.
/r/MensRights16/01/13 07:15 PM
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I don't understand the joke. What's funny? Is it supposed to be funny? What's the assumption? I'm confused.
/r/MensRights16/01/13 03:10 PM
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I understand the word "generally", but your statement doesn't refute my original argument. Of course men and women display different personality traits, just like you could argue Americans and Argentinians generally display different personality traits, or black and white people generally display different personality traits...but then you're categorizing and stereotyping people based on their gender, nationality, or ethnicity. What I disagree with, is taking one group of people and treating it …
/r/MensRights16/01/13 02:24 PM
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No, I think you misunderstand the concept. People display different personality traits, and there are probably more differences from person to person than from one gender to the other in terms of personality. Furthermore, what we are talking about here isn't personality, but opinion. The person who commented seemed to be suggesting that women are difficult to understand because all women don't hold the same opinion. Well, of course they don't.
/r/MensRights16/01/13 04:45 AM
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Because there are many different women with many different opinions, and "women" isn't a single entity that you can understand.
/r/MensRights16/01/13 04:22 AM
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I'd be too afraid to offend the person..."you look old. Here, take my seat."
/r/MensRights16/01/13 04:20 AM
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Well, I think feminists would agree with your comment on facebook. Feminists have rejected this chivalry for a very long time, which is why so many women hesitate to call themselves feminists; they'd lose that particular privilege.
/r/MensRights16/01/13 04:16 AM
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Ok, but I was talking about MY health insurance. ...me too.
/r/MensRights28/12/12 04:01 AM
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But you're a woman, so I understand why you need this to be about you. Who is the sexist one here? You. People like you give the MRM a bad name. Also, let's compare what's comparable. Vasectomy isn't comparable to hormonal birth control. Also, when a woman is on birth control, you benefit from it as well (just like a woman benefits from you getting a vasectomy). Does your insurance cover tubal ligation for women?
/r/MensRights28/12/12 03:57 AM
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"Feminists loathe male desire. Their envy of men’s relative sexual freedom, men’s libidinous vitality, and men’s broader psychological landscape manifests as an abhorrence of the peculiar characteristics that distinguish the male sex, in drive and personality, from the female sex. Feminists routinely lie in service to their hatred, a hatred which is unquenchable." This is from the first article you linked to. "Men’s broader psychological landscape"? Now, that's sexist. This article is full of ad…
/r/MensRights27/12/12 04:28 AM
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People on this thread are so paranoid! Sperm doesn't live that long outside of a vagina. Seriously.
/r/MensRights27/12/12 04:12 AM
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Guy's frustrated that women have the freedom to not be abstinent, have birth control fail on them, and just have abortions. Well, you can't really alter biology. Women get pregnant and men don't. He wants to have PIV sex without risks of getting a woman pregnant. The reason why that's impossible is to be blamed on biology, not feminists.
/r/MensRights27/12/12 04:10 AM
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You wouldn't be very happy raising a child with a woman who doesn't want it.
/r/MensRights27/12/12 04:07 AM
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Women's birth control pills aren't always covered. It depends where you live. I pay $23 a month for my Nuvaring. Just sayin'...
/r/MensRights27/12/12 04:03 AM
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I disagree. That's not a protip at all. Here is a better one: they just sucked at taking the pill. Do you really think it's that easy to remember to take a pill every single day at exactly the same time? Missing even one day can lead to a disaster. One of my good friends is constantly having pregnancy scares simply because she either keeps forgetting to take her birth control, or is stupid about using it. A lot of young women are like that. Lack of sex ed I presume. I can assure you that she doe…
/r/MensRights27/12/12 03:56 AM
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Then just use condoms and withdrawal. Or have sex with someone you trust.
/r/MensRights27/12/12 03:50 AM
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I don't know about you, but I wouldn't have sex with someone I mistrust so much that I have to put tabasco sauce in the condom after I'm done. If you're having sex with a woman crazy enough to impregnate herself with your sperm against your will, then you're either crazy yourself or have no respect either for the woman you have sex with or for yourself.
/r/MensRights27/12/12 03:48 AM
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I kinda feel like society gives homosexual males more sympathy than hetereosexual males in regards to our problems. You have to be kidding.
/r/MensRights27/12/12 03:38 AM
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Yeah, feminists actually complain that they are the ones having to deal with the hassle of contraception. The vast majority of feminists would be delighted if a male contraceptive pill was made available, me included.
/r/MensRights27/12/12 03:37 AM
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You don't have to put your penis in someone's vagina to have sex. Another option is to both wear a condom and withdraw.
/r/MensRights27/12/12 03:35 AM
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I have no connections with that website. I found this article on /r/Feminism and was curious to see what /r/MensRights thought. I do feel like a lot of the criticism MRAs throw at feminists is unjustified. The opposite is probably true as well, but I definitely do not think that most feminists hate men, or that feminism is about hating men.
/r/MensRights21/12/12 08:44 PM
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Actually, most of the women I've met who had negative attitudes towards men proudly declared that they weren't feminists.
/r/MensRights21/12/12 08:22 PM
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In what way?
/r/MensRights21/12/12 08:20 PM
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It's feminists' fault? If you got raped by a woman before feminism and tried to report it to the authorities, do you really think that the police would have said: "a woman raped you? That's awful, let's put her in jail." No, they would laugh at you, saying that men don't get raped. The reason why those misconceptions about female on male rape are so pervasive is because of gender stereotypes, and those stereotypes were not created by feminists, quite the opposite. Before feminism, the boundaries…
/r/MensRights21/12/12 04:29 PM
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If it can make you feel better, I always pay for what I ordered, first date or not. With my boyfriend we split every time. On a similar note, I once read something that really pissed me off in my university newspaper. It was some collection of bad dating stories (yes, my university newspaper sucks). One girl wrote something along the lines of "I was on a date with this guy, and we didn't even do anything interesting. He didn't take me out to a restaurant or a movie, we just stared at each other,…
/r/MensRights14/12/12 02:26 PM
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I agree with a lot of what you said, but not the part where you say "if women are so afraid of rape, they should get guns, not expect a world full of socio/psychopaths to drop for them." Most rapes are committed by people the victim knows very well and would not have expected would rape her/him. If a young girl is raped by her uncle, a gun isn't going to do much to change that. If someone puts some GHB in a woman's glass a gun isn't going to do much. If a woman brings home a man she trusts, and …
/r/MensRights14/12/12 02:11 PM
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I used to be a right-wing libertarian, so I've done a lot of reading on that. I've also done some reading on anarcho-capitalism, and I thought it was the same thing as free market capitalism...apparently not. So what separates free market anarchism from left-wing anarchism in practice then?
/r/MensRights13/12/12 10:10 PM
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No matter how hard I try, I can't think of a situation where hate has helped someone's cause in the long run. I think that by its very definition, hate can't possibly be helpful. Although, if your cause is "the pro-hate movement", then I suppose you're right, I was probably overgeneralizing. Edit: I don't want to sound sarcastic though...I just think that hate always seems to have negative consequences.
/r/MensRights13/12/12 09:35 PM
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Hate, no matter where it's directed, has never helped anyone's cause.
/r/MensRights13/12/12 08:29 PM
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That's the women who got it wrong. I don't think a feminist should want to be weak and victimized in any circumstance, because that simply goes against feminism. The idea that women are weak preceded feminism, and then feminism came along and tried to change that. The feminists who are trying to make us look like powerless victims got it all wrong.
/r/MensRights13/12/12 07:54 PM
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We should punish these evil cunts in one of the only ways we can, by refusing to date them and just hatefuck them when they throw themselves at us. There is so much woman-hating in this thread...it's not helping your cause.
/r/MensRights13/12/12 06:52 PM
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Such sweeping generalizations are not going to help your cause. That's what I call woman-hating.
/r/MensRights13/12/12 06:50 PM
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It is part of the patriarchy...which feminism tries to break down. However, most women completely misinterpret feminism and instead use it as a new stick to beat men with.
/r/MensRights13/12/12 06:46 PM
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I'm a feminist, (not the modern kind I like to think) and I think this comment is awesome.
/r/MensRights13/12/12 06:44 PM
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Sums up the most pointless conversation ever.
/r/MensRights13/12/12 06:42 PM
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I don't think this is a result of indoctrination. This is simply that he has become emotionally attached to an opinion, something that happens to the best of us. When you become emotionally attached to an opinion and someone threatens it, you're going to become angry and irrational. A good example of this is when as a vegan I attempt to show people the negative consequences of eating animal products. Most of the time they shut down and respond "but, bacon..." or "you vegans are so preachy!".
/r/MensRights13/12/12 06:41 PM
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Actually, the idea that women are helpless princesses is exactly what feminism has been trying to fight against. We didn't need feminism to start saying "women and children first", or "never hit a woman", or "always be a gentleman and hold the door for this woman", etc. If you read The Second Sex by Simone de Beauvoir, you'll see she argues against the outdated notion that women are helpless princesses.
/r/MensRights13/12/12 06:35 PM
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I just want to point out that most self-respecting feminists would never let a man pay just because he is a man. It's a thing more traditional women do.
/r/MensRights13/12/12 06:31 PM
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I agree completely. I don't know that it is about the rights of men that automatically makes it a right wing issue. Also, feminism has always been left wing, and a stepping stone to socialism, and I think that's great.
/r/MensRights13/12/12 06:28 PM
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Actually, I'm pretty sure the latter describes most people in both groups.
/r/MensRights12/12/12 03:04 PM
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Interesting point, but I'm more and more convinced that Republicans and Democrats are basically the same.
/r/MensRights11/12/12 06:01 PM
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Feminists don't hate men; it's a misconception this study dispells. Feminism arose because women were oppressed for centuries, and you can't really argue against that. Also, "eradication of men"? That's demonizing feminism to the extreme.
/r/MensRights11/12/12 05:59 PM
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Equality? All I know is that if feminism is a piss-poor way to describe equality because it only emphasizes the female side, then men's rights is also piss-poor way to describe equality.
/r/MensRights11/12/12 04:36 PM
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Would you find boobs attractive if you knew they were attached to a 60 year old dude? Same with balls. If I know the balls in front of me are attached to a handsome man, then they are attractive, otherwise, no.
/r/MensRights11/12/12 04:32 PM
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Here it is again. MRAs keep saying "feminists are never concerned with men's issues", but then whenever a feminist is concerned they say "Bullshit, you're not really a feminist then". Please, explain to me how this works.
/r/MensRights11/12/12 02:06 PM
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I read the last link you posted. It makes a very good case. I am very attached to the roots of feminism, what in my mind I see as "true feminism", and this is why I call myself a feminist. It's true that the kind of post he describes is exactly the kind of post I made. I'm saying I'm one of the nice feminists, that not all feminists are like that...I do believe it though, and I am sad to see feminism has been so corrupted. However, I can't help to wonder...since men's rights activists are often …
/r/MensRights11/12/12 01:24 PM
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It's only upsetting to them when it's done to girls. All feminists I know agree with me that male circumcision needs to stop. Like in any movement, especially such a large-scale movement as feminism, there are people who will make the movement look bad by going to extremes (like saying it's all men's fault and men are a mistake...I never met a feminist who thought that), just like some members of the men's right movement make it look bad by claiming that it's all feminists' fault and that femini…
/r/MensRights11/12/12 01:10 PM
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can you give examples? Because I have never seen any images that glorify rape. This doesn't exactly glorify rape, but it makes fun of it in a rather disgusting way.
/r/MensRights11/12/12 12:53 PM
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Alright, here is how I see it. Most feminists think all MRAs are misogynistic assholes who complain because they no longer have the supremacy they used to have. Most MRAs think all feminists are man-hating bitches who want nothing more than to see women dominate the world. However, they are both wrong. I'm part of the gender equity club at my school (note that it's called gender equity, not feminist), and most feminists I've met are very open to the idea that there are men's issues that need to …
/r/MensRights11/12/12 12:36 PM
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I didn't ask a question. I just don't think we can make that kind of judgment call. I'm sure depression is awful for men as well, but I don't think we can know who suffers the most from it. That would be like denying the suffering of one of the genders on some level. Like I said, I don't want to play that game. as a women You've made this mistake a few times, so I'm going to correct you. Woman is singular, women is plural.
/r/MensRights11/12/12 12:12 AM
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Yes, it's more socially acceptable for women to be depressed, and that's bad. But I can't get past your statement of "when a man is depressed it is far worse for him". I'm a woman and I suffered from depression for many years, and I didn't feel socially accepted in any way. I felt judged, ignored, and like I said my feelings were attributed to mere "hormonal changes", which is just awful. I'm sure it's just as bad for men. But you know what? Depression sucks, and most people are assholes about i…
/r/MensRights10/12/12 11:45 PM
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So you're offended because men are told to "stop being a pussy". As the proud owner of a pussy, I'm even more offended. You're saying that women are weak anyways, so when we get depressed the bias is confirmed and everyone is happy. Is that supposed to make it any easier for us? I don't think women are weaker or stronger than men. I think we are about the same in that respect. Yes, it's true that men are expected to tolerate pain well and never feel sad or hurt, and I think that's awful and extr…
/r/MensRights10/12/12 09:42 PM
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When a man is depressed it is far worse for him Please, let's not play the game of whose depression is worse. Maybe it's more "ok" for women to be depressed, but it's nowhere near socially acceptable. Also depression makes both genders less attractive, not just men. Being sad and depressed can be very difficult for a woman as well. We get comments like "it's your hormones", "are you on your periods?", "you're hysterical", "PMS", "postpartum"...in other words, our sadness isn't seen as legitimate…
/r/MensRights10/12/12 08:48 PM
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I disagree. There is not enough help for people who are depressed, period. Gender doesn't have much to do with it I think.
/r/MensRights10/12/12 08:40 PM
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It won't help you if you dismiss every feminist who is concerned with men's rights as not really a feminist in the first place.
/r/MensRights10/12/12 08:25 PM
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I think this says a lot about the broken state of psychiatry today as well.
/r/MensRights26/11/12 01:00 PM
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I agree with your opinion that the issue is comparable to Soviet Russia being called "communist" or "Marxist", however, the fact is that Soviet Russia, although it called itself "Marxist", had very little to do with anything Marx wrote. Same for feminism. I think I'm right in saying that hating men has very little to do with feminism.
/r/MensRights28/10/12 12:13 AM
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Maybe, but I don't think you deserve to call yourself a feminist if you hate men, or if you see feminism as a war against men. Because that's not what feminism is about, period.
/r/MensRights27/10/12 03:16 PM
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Because that's what feminism is. Edit: I guess you meant why does the root of the word refer to females. My guess is that women's right have been threatened much more throughout history than men's rights, but ultimately it's always been about equality, not female supremacy.
/r/MensRights27/10/12 03:13 PM
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