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No you are wrong to conclude they dislike marriage, they don't like their partner's. It's absurd to blame concepts like marriage when the real problem is the other person or you
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 09:46 PM
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Nah I disagree, the women of these subs are sex positive idealogs who blame everything on insecurities. They literally belief pair bonding is fake and worship sex at dawn as their bible
/r/AllPillDebate20/07/23 02:52 PM
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I am not incels but I think you enjoy pocking holes in my argument for some reason
/r/AllPillDebate20/07/23 02:23 PM
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I am not Christian
/r/AllPillDebate19/07/23 04:26 PM
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You are the one accusing me though
/r/AllPillDebate19/07/23 04:00 PM
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That's the same thing as being a parasite no?
/r/AllPillDebate19/07/23 02:39 PM
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You are implying I am going to take advantage of someone
/r/AllPillDebate19/07/23 02:07 PM
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I don't like debating I am more so interested in defending things
/r/AllPillDebate19/07/23 01:38 PM
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Nice job of accusing me, you have no idea how much I have helped people myself. I know redditors loving making assumptions and running with them
/r/AllPillDebate19/07/23 01:37 PM
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How are they easy to find like how do we meet them
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 01:34 PM
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That is exactly what I mean, the environment we find ourselves in is not suitable for plants like us, but they're suitable for weeds. This doesn't mean we are the problem it's our environment that is the problem. But we must rise above it together and build a better garden for more plants like us to grow and flourish. There may be weed in the future, but we will be fine if we use herbicides and other methods to control weeds. But of course, the weeds that benefit from this toxic landscape divide…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 05:30 AM
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It's a coping mechanism, honestly. Why accept a world of disappointment when you can change it? We as a society need to produce better men.
/r/AllPillDebate19/07/23 04:24 AM
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You cannot blame women for getting into those toxic relationships as guys are who are toxic are good liars. The problem is that society keeps producing thes toxic mf sadly. Evil isn't born its manufactured
/r/AllPillDebate19/07/23 04:20 AM
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I see you are a champion of pessimism
/r/AllPillDebate19/07/23 04:17 AM
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External factors are causing all these problems we talk about. That's not to say individuals are absolved from responsibility for improving themselves. But what is the point of self-improvement if the same toxic environment that ruined us persist. Its like cleaning the ocean is good but whats the point if people keep throwing their trash in. We must do something about people throwing their trash and clean the ocean. That is how we get a clean ocean.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 04:15 AM
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Yeah but liberals also ascribe correlation to causation as well when it comes to divorce and marrying early
/r/AllPillDebate19/07/23 03:33 AM
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They are liberals and hegemonic so they aren't motivated to construct constructive arguments because they are already hegemonic
/r/AllPillDebate19/07/23 02:51 AM
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I would rather date a neurodivergent women myself but the issue there is no avenue to meet them sadly
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 01:11 AM
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No, it's just we live in class society
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 06:39 PM
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The real culprit essential is our economic system and the culture that emerges from it. Since our economy is about generating profit and accumulating capital as fast as possible the culture that emerges from this alienated our humanity from ourselves to make us better workers. This culture includes emotional suppression and dettachment(which results in maladaptive behavior and personality traits that ruin relationships), disposable consumerism and the commodifiction of sex and relationship (expr…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 06:16 PM
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Promiscuous behavior only really benefits hook up culture itself. Hookup Culture isn't just casual sex it's about roadmap of life in which it believes young people are incapable of serious love evidence by high divorce rate in people who married early so young people need to treat their sexual partners as disposal to get it off their system and marry when they "mature up". Hook-up culture just like the government has both progressive side and regressive. The regressive side is the masculine one …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 03:00 PM
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I noticed these progressive liberals have insulted me as whinnying while I was just sharing my fears
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 02:46 PM
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6971177/#:~:text=Males%20could%20potentially%20target%20male,(Agoramoorthy%20and%20Mohnot%201988). https://frontiersinzoology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12983-016-0152-2 https://academic.oup.com/beheco/article/16/4/724/214882 To me it seems like mate gaurding seems like a phenomena that exists in nature.
/r/AllPillDebate18/07/23 12:33 AM
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Because the advices we are given are vage and general so that people can easily dismiss people in struggle. Society wants quick fixes but reality for people to heal or get better is going to take effort and time. It's not bad to head to a gym but what should we work on, what do we hope to gain from going to gym, expense of gym and location of gym might be off puting for those who cannot afford or lack transportation. These complexities are ignored and we are expect to solve it on our own without…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 12:03 AM
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You nailed this one perfectly. I noticed this trend where people where people are told their desires are the problem so we should stop desire things that are hard to get. At a first glance it seems like a good advice but when you look closer they neglect that there things that can be done to make it easier to obtain what we desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 11:58 PM
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It really is because these self-improvement rhetorics are used to passify people from making any really change and ultimately isolate people from each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 09:34 PM
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Thank you for acknowledging external factors, most people here tend to avoid external factors when talking about dating problems. The common belief is that people cannot change the environment so it's best to just focus on yourself which is a reductionist conclusion. Yes an individual might not be able to change society but people can start small you know, give back to community.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 09:03 PM
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It does limit my dating bull sadly but I rather not sacrifice my values for a romantic relationship that I am not comfortable with. I already know about my underlying fears. I grew attached to traditional courting system and value of sex being exclusively romantic. Dating someone who doesn't value that triggers thoughts about my culture dying off. I keep hearing how humans are meant to be promiscuous, detach sex from love, and how monogamy only exist through social forces. I rather not spend tim…
/r/AllPillDebate17/07/23 08:46 PM
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This is exactly what I would like to have in a future relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 07:58 PM
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What? How would you see any if they happened in real life or on a different social media platform?
/r/AllPillDebate17/07/23 07:01 PM
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I mean you just sound like a disingenuous liberal at this point. I am not shaming women who don't meet my preference I am looking for a way to meet women who meet my preference
/r/AllPillDebate17/07/23 06:04 PM
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I talked to women online how I am afraid of dating promiscuous women and they kept trying to get me to get over the fear by saying oh her past don't matter. People say the past shouldn't matter as a way to shame men for having that specific preference
/r/AllPillDebate17/07/23 04:34 PM
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Yeah you do make a good point
/r/AllPillDebate17/07/23 02:35 PM
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Yeah you know some people are just not meant to be and that should be fine. It won't end well if the man tries to be all progressive like and remaining in an uncomfortable relationship. It's not something he needs to overcome but needs to leave
/r/AllPillDebate17/07/23 02:34 PM
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It really is a gut bucnch
/r/AllPillDebate17/07/23 01:28 AM
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We shouldn't need to get a paternal test
/r/AllPillDebate17/07/23 01:27 AM
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Another reason why I refuse to use dating app honestly. What's wrong with people in general man. I know the answer but still. We need to fight for better morals
/r/AllPillDebate17/07/23 01:26 AM
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Yeah man what is wrong with people these days
/r/AllPillDebate17/07/23 01:04 AM
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It's more than that
/r/AllPillDebate17/07/23 12:40 AM
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Wouldn't emotional value towards sex help ensure paternal certainty. Yeah you correct, men disliking promiscuous women just makes sense
/r/AllPillDebate17/07/23 12:04 AM
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It definitely won't get better, man I feel sad for that dude though man hope he gets better
/r/AllPillDebate16/07/23 11:46 PM
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What is exactly a dead bedroom I am more concerned about how she values emotionaless sex over romantic sex in a romantic relationship
/r/AllPillDebate16/07/23 11:41 PM
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I don't understand how these people want us to accept them in a relationship. It's not just about fragile ego it's also about validating their past choices I think of I am correct.
/r/AllPillDebate16/07/23 11:31 PM
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That's your prerogative not mine
/r/AllPillDebate16/07/23 06:46 PM
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I don't need a reminder constantly I know my worth and I know when I am happy or not. By keep reminding me this will only trigger my OCD and then I won't feel secure in my relationship. If we are happy leave us alone
/r/AllPillDebate16/07/23 06:13 PM
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You liberals love bringing out your stats, don't you, but the reality is that stats are not the absolute truth of human behavior. And plus, there is a replication crisis in psychology which makes me question the validity of their studies. Plus, studies like that don't consider external factors; they just see the correlation, not causation. What was the mental health of people who married young, what was their economic status, and what were their relationship skills like? Plus the health of relat…
/r/AllPillDebate16/07/23 05:54 PM
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How do you know I will force myself to be unhappy? I apologize for assuming your experience, but you are still projecting the modern world as if it's the end of how humans mate and the correct way. If the couple doesn't believe their relationship last, how can they feel secure in their relationship? By spouting shit like relationships don't work out, so don't get attached is toxic. As I have said, this rhetoric has led me to develop foreboding joy. People have the right to feel secure in their r…
/r/AllPillDebate16/07/23 05:34 PM
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There we go once we start scratching you hard enough, we see the mockery I was talking about. You are judgmental about people who get married early because you are projecting your experience. What about people who were friends before dating? What about people like me who already knew what they wanted from an early age? I am sorry not everyone is a normie who is lost and exploring themselves. Some people know what they want from an early age, and that should be fine. You are coercing us to follow…
/r/AllPillDebate16/07/23 04:17 PM
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I think it's both honestly, society in some regards need to accommodate autistic folks and in some regards autistic folks need to develop social skills. I think there is a healthy balance. This coming from a traditionalist who may have autism
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 03:25 PM
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So are you a bomb-omb from Mario then? If so what are your thoughts on King bomb-omb? I hear the pink bomb-omb don't like hin
/r/AllPillDebate16/07/23 03:13 PM
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That wasn't the main point of my post, my main point is pointing out the hypocrisy of pessemistic liberals and the dangers behind these pessemistic ideas and beliefs they spout. But I have seen people mocking early married couples having issues in relationship advice subreddit. I have seen people mock those who want to get married at early age. I have seen people who got married late struggle with more problems than some of those who got married younger though. The only thing stopping a couple f…
/r/AllPillDebate16/07/23 03:11 PM
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Could you elaborate
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 02:37 PM
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That is the problem with society is that it's becoming more alienated. We are losing avenues not only to meet potential romantic partners but also friends. It feels like the only real way to have friends is to be born with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 06:38 PM
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So you think its wrong for men to ask a friend out?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 06:31 PM
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what is warm approach
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 06:27 PM
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The short answer is propaganda because they believe their traditional values cannot exist outside capitalism. It's sort of like how kids are supposed to tolerate abuse from their parents because their parents gave birth to them and spent money and time taking care of them. Because of years of this propaganda, people have been less trustful of progressive ideas, even ones that would ultimately benefit them. It's not even just propaganda of old capitalism but also the new progressive wing of capit…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 03:37 PM
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Society has made people more distrustful of each other and current alienation and loneliness problems have made it worse. Yet people blame people for trust issues and expect them to trust others even in a distrustful society.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 10:23 PM
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Leaving that relationship is not enough she needs to self-reflect on the situation. What led her to make that choice and why she made that choice in the first place? I struggled with masturbation and addiction to pornography. I didn't simply quit, I self-reflected to figure out why I had done it. I believe it was me trying to escape my anxiety and compulsive behavior. I realized pornography was distorting my views on sex and women. So not only am I leaving pornography, but I understand what led …
/r/AllPillDebate13/07/23 08:23 PM
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This is actually interesting
/r/AllPillDebate13/07/23 07:00 PM
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I can understand she was in a dark place, but is she doing anything about getting out of that dark place? You women who do things against your morals bat it off as you were in a dark place but don't understand the true nature of being in the dark place or your values. As a man, I was in a dark place and did things that went against my values. But instead of letting it go and expecting a future gf to accept me and ignore my past, I would show her how I have been working hard to get out of the dar…
/r/AllPillDebate13/07/23 06:35 PM
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The issue is men are complaining without any interest in working on a solution. This leads to pessimism. I don't think religion is the answer but building tight-knit communities with shared values and beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 05:11 PM
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OP I am a traditionalist who supports communism. I don't believe capitalism benefits traditional lifestyles and values; it actively seeks to destroy them. Today's Capitalism is hell-bent on destroying its past to appear like it has magically become ethical. In order to do this, they hyper fixate on alternative lifestyles such as polyamory, promiscuity, and others as markers of ethical progress. It also indirectly hurts traditional values but breaks up communities because people must move to find…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 03:04 PM
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No, the root of this problem is more complex than men being horny and women being selective. The root of the problem is loneliness and narcism.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 04:46 PM
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I don't hyper-fixate on exceptions, exceptions don't invalidate the norms, they prove there is a norm. I don't care about about exceptions I care about the security and longevity of norms I values
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 04:44 AM
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I disagree. I rather not waste my time with people who argue in bad faith. I believe mocking people gets us nowhere or arguing in bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 04:41 AM
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I knew you are disingenuous and are arguing in bad faith. I don't want to waste my time on you. Bye
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 02:30 AM
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The result is life-long partnerships becoming the norm of society. Society was never moral. The morality of the past served the ruling class, not the people who were being exploited. I know society can make people for commitment. It's very possible. I am not saying there won't be exceptions just that those exceptions will be infrequent. Just like how fish were made for swimming in the ocean I think humans can be made for commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 02:14 AM
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They sound like narcissists
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 01:56 AM
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I already explained my solution in my post: society should build healthier and more moral individuals. There are things it can do, such as reducing working hours, allowing paternal leave, building tight-knit and interconnected communities, creating better public transportation, and more stuff as I mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 01:06 AM
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Honestly, I don't think we can have a genuine conversation, I believe you are arguing in bad faith. Have a nice day!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 12:38 AM
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I feel like you are just peddling a specific narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 12:36 AM
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If you are skeptical of evolutionary psychology, why buy into this idea unless it validates your preconceived belief about something? But don't you think that environmental and other external factors determine the average length of monogamy?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 11:29 PM
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did you notice how you just made an assumption and ran with it? This shows me you are reluctant to actually understand what I have written.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 11:25 PM
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Monogamous families can exist in a communal setting, and nuclear families can also exist in a communal setting. In my culture, married couples often live with grandparents and siblings who help raise the kids. When growing up, my family was close with their friends and would interact with them constantly, but they did not need to have sex with them to feel interconnected.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 10:52 PM
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My argument is that monogamy can be used in a away as to not support patriarchy
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 10:25 PM
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But dating around those does not solve the underlying problem, though. I'll be sure to give you an example of what I am mean. Yes, it's absurd, but bear with me. Let's say there are two kinds of dumpling tossed in a small pond you fish. One dumpling has properly cooked meat, while the other has undercooked meat land some of the undercooked meat. Libs would say fish around till you find the right dumpling. But the issue is all the dumplings look alike, so we would need time to find the properly c…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 10:23 PM
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I like the core ideas from this paper https://www.marxists.org/archive/dutt/articles/1935/question_of_fascism.htm
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 09:10 PM
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I am familiar with him, but I don't like his definition of fascism, I think he is just talking about reactionaries instead. Fascism is something very specific, from my understanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 08:49 PM
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In our defense, some of us are alienated and isolated from social life, so we don't know whats going on, and that makes us vulnerable to specific types of media, not just right-wingers but also leftist stuff like books such as sex at dawn and people who claim monogamy is going to vanish because humans are meant to fuck around. I personally don't care about getting gf compared to preserving monogamy so this kind of stuff instills fear in us. If I can't get a gf might as well watch romance in medi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 08:22 PM
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why not both as I believe quality and quantity can and do correlate with each other yes
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 07:52 PM
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Yeah but there is this idea in biology called exaptation in which a trait evolved for one function is used to provide another function instead. The classic example is feathers and how they evolved to provide warmth while now they are used for flight. A similar concept could be applied to social norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 07:50 PM
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I mostly agree with your take. It's just that you cannot have meaningful conversations with the sex-positive and liberals here. I have been mocked by liberals online for talking about my fears, even in mental health spaces in Discord. People are quick to mockery and refuse to understand other people. These people are narcissists who believe their progressive ideology gives them moral grounds to mock people who don't share their values. Its funny how these liberals call out conservatives on natur…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 07:46 PM
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