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Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
14	Using categorization as a way to justify prejudice		moobearpig	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/13 05:16 AM

Upvotes	Comment on	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
3	Beta's girlfriend said she won't take his last name, he is a bit upset. Men and women come from all around to shame him. In some east Asian countries, the family name is placed before the given name to signify that the family is more important than the self. That's true, but women don't change their surnames upon marriage. At least in China and Korea.	/r/TheRedPill	06/11/13 03:49 AM
1	Feminism helps men to be happier with themselves. You can call people whatever you want, just don't be surprised if you get marginalized for saying those things.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/10/13 07:43 PM
5	Alpha fucks/Beta bucks Sounds like lack of fucks is a risk factor too to me. That's jumping to conclusions. It seems like the previous article was mistaken on something. After some more digging, here are the statistics that I found (from Stats Canada): Persons aged 40 to 59 (not young people) have the highest rates of suicide (45% of all suicides in Canada in 2009) For both men and women, married people were the least likely group to commit suicide Single men were much more likely to die from suicide than those who we…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/13 08:35 AM
8	Alpha fucks/Beta bucks I want to clarify the suicide ratio. To make sense of the actual implications of the suicide rate difference, you need to dig deeper. From the article you linked: Stronger risk factors (for suicide) for men: Being young, single and having little education Stronger risk factors for women: unemployment, mental illness In addition, women are more likely to seek professional help than men, which decreases their risk. Men also choose more violent methods (e.g. gun) vs. women (e.g. poison), which woul…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/13 05:47 AM
3	Men are superior Who exactly are vilifying men for scientific discoveries? Radical feminists? One small radical group does not speak for all women. Nobody is denying the great things certain men accomplished. You would be hard pressed to find any rational person who do not respect the accomplishments of notable scientists. I don't exactly know what where you're going with your arguments. Do you believe that women shouldn't be allowed into higher education because it was founded by men? By that logic, anyone who'…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/10/13 06:50 PM
13	Women are incapable of contributing to society From the original post: "women don't contribute to society" "Women's proven lack of imagination makes clear that they have no a priori need for new inventions. If they did, they would invent things more often themselves." What exactly is the definition of 'contribute' here? Because if we're going by the number of inventions and scientific discoveries, then 99.9999% of the men that's living and have ever lived would not have made significant contributions. My point is that most people are just av…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/10/13 05:36 AM
19	Women are incapable of contributing to society b) are redpillers inheriting their worth from their ancestors? If some people are holding themselves to higher esteem based on what their ancestors have done, and putting down others for lack of contribution to society, then I don't really know what to think. It would make me wonder what these people have personally done to contribute to society.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/13 03:29 AM
7	Men are superior No, it has been the work of men. So why should strong and independent women lay a claim to it? Why not go build up their own? This argument makes no sense. It's like saying because the Chinese invented gunpowder, papermaking, printing, and the compass no other country in the world is allowed to build on it and improve the model. It's how human societies function: take existing knowledge and improve on it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/13 03:07 AM
3	Using categorization as a way to justify prejudice No problem, this was actually part of the required readings for one of my courses, that's how I know about it. Which sex would suffer most from this? That would depend on who it's being applied against. Thus both could suffer. It's just the consequences of stereotyping.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/10/13 12:09 AM
8	Using categorization as a way to justify prejudice Actually, exposure to positive stereotypes lead to negative stereotype activation and application (using negative stereotypes to apply judgements in decision making). It's something people do unconsciously that they need to be aware of, because I don't think this is widespread knowledge. This is due to the fact that positive stereotypes tend to promote essentialism, which is the belief that group differences are fundamental. People who subscribe to this view will more likely to attribute group d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/13 07:15 PM
5	Using categorization as a way to justify prejudice Doesn't mean that there isn't a difference between men and women on maths. IOW stereotype threat, even if not arrant nonsense, would still only mean that the difference between men and women should be smaller than what it is. You're right, there is a difference. Men did worse than women in the control condition. But the differences are considered statistically insignificant. Here's the quote from the original research study: "We should also note that men did slightly worse when they were told th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/13 06:47 PM
2	Using categorization as a way to justify prejudice It's quite alright, I too have frustrations toward flawed arguments. There are absolutely differences between genders; however, I believe that gender is largely a social construct. I don't think the solution to equality and respect is to maintain the status quo and keep exaggerating those differences. We should be striving to minimize those differences, instead of using them in the war of gender power struggles. I definitely think that men face discriminations that are often overlooked. I don't …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/13 06:27 PM
3	Using categorization as a way to justify prejudice Is that all that's happening though? In my original post, I mentioned the stereotype threat. It's been proven that after being primed with a stereotype, the differences between genders became more exaggerated. In many instances, the stereotypes being upvoted by r/theredpill are quite demeaning and offensive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/13 06:07 PM
6	Using categorization as a way to justify prejudice I agreed up until that last paragraph there. Why do you think I won't accept something that's scientifically proven and not used in a harmful way?	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/13 04:18 PM
4	Using categorization as a way to justify prejudice I'm not anti-characterization, I'm only against using it as a way to justify prejudice towards social groups.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/13 04:08 PM
7	Using categorization as a way to justify prejudice Right, there's nothing inherently wrong with generalizing. But when these generalizations are not based on scientific evidence and are used as a means to perpetuate discrimination and prejudice, then I think it's harmful.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/13 03:39 PM
7	Using categorization as a way to justify prejudice Of course there are some that can be true. But I don't see how the ones that are made about women by r/theredpill can be true. The examples that are given by that sub are riddled with confirmation bias.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/13 03:27 PM
3	Using categorization as a way to justify prejudice Categorization isn't inherently wrong unless you're using it to infer prejudicial beliefs about another group. My original statement was that categorizing helps us to process information more efficiently, otherwise we'd be spending too much cognitive resources to deal with everyday life. The problem is when someone uses it negatively. For example, if I see a black guy and say "he's a black man", then that's not really saying much. But if my underlying presumption is that he's probably dangerous …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/13 02:55 PM
13	Using categorization as a way to justify prejudice But isn't TRP operating under one united theory? Unless you're telling me each of you have different beliefs regarding TRP.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/13 06:28 AM
14	Using categorization as a way to justify prejudice It's just astounding to me how they can make such extraordinary claims about the inferiority of women without backing it up with sound scientific evidence. For a bunch of people that claim to be logical, there sure is a lot of faulty logic floating around there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/13 05:52 AM