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What the heck, I'll give it a shot. As we all know, women are oppressed by the patri... kyria... evil white man. White upper class women with liberal arts degrees especially so. Strong and independent as they are, these feminists feel oppressed by dissent, which in turn develops into fear of speaking out about how women are paid 23% less than men who, in a ruthlessly profit-oriented society, still somehow hold the majority of full-time jobs instead of being replaced by their cheaper female compe…
/r/MensRights13/11/14 12:14 PM
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I seem to have missed that. Could you fill me in?
/r/MensRights12/11/14 07:41 PM
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To a large extent, it is. :) I have high hopes for gww to enter mainstream media discourse over the course of the next five years.
/r/MensRights06/10/14 05:40 PM
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Thank you. We really need people like you if we want to achieve true gender equality. Breaking the hegemonic discourse of toxic feminism is a crucial step towards that goal.
/r/MensRights06/10/14 05:38 PM
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I take this question to mean "what can women do that men cannot do, at least not as effectively?" Women can help men the same way men can: join the fight against prostate cancer, help out the homeless by volunteering in shelters, speak out against the horrible conditions in prisons, raise awareness for the way in which boys are left behind by the education system etc. There are many more opportunities for action, and every little bit helps. There is, however, one thing that women can do much mor…
/r/MensRights06/10/14 10:00 AM
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We don't have allies. We are in this together, and we are equals.
/r/MensRights27/09/14 03:52 AM
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You are not their shield, brother. I wish the MRM were more friendly towards gay men, though. I know the liberals are, it's the traditionalists I'm skeptic about.
/r/MensRights11/09/14 10:59 PM
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I still think there is a need for more education, because some people sincerely believe they are not doing anything wrong if they have sex with a person who is not totally conscious, for example. I highly doubt that such a person exists, but I might be wrong. After all, human stupidity is eternal.
/r/MensRights28/08/14 09:26 PM
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Thanks for the links! So yeah, I don't think it's hysteria for wishing there would be more education for everyone on the subject of rape. Oh, if it is actual helpful education we are talking about, I don't think many people will have an issue with that. People are taking offense because the current "teach men not to rape" paradigm is incredibly condescending, ineffective (arguably even counterproductive), and it is perpetuating the demonization of male sexuality.
/r/MensRights28/08/14 09:11 PM
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The general consensus so far seems to be that we are seeing a combination of 2) and 3) at the moment, with 1) becoming less and less prevalent. What do you think about my perception that we are also seeing a slight shift from 2) to 3) (the latter of which I regard as less dismissive)?
/r/MensRights28/08/14 09:03 PM
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I think I haven't expressed myself well. I regard 2) to be less dismissive than 3), since 3) acknowledges the need of a men's advocacy group.
/r/MensRights28/08/14 08:58 PM
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wikibot tell me about Overton Window
/r/MensRights28/08/14 06:53 PM
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I think the next step is our hands. Shed off the outlandish elements and start making clear and civil positions and doing clear and civil work. That puts them on the defensive as they are forced to think of new ways to attack us. I absolutely agree.
/r/MensRights28/08/14 05:24 PM
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Let me quote a post I made in another thread: Take the notion that a man, but not a woman, should be responsible for when they drunkenly hook up. Take the gender pay gap campaigns in which "patriarchy" is blamed for the free choices women make etc. As for the shaming campaigns: most feminist silencing tactics (male tears, what about teh menz, fedoras etc.) rely on the exploitation of traditional male gender roles: Men shouldn't show weakness, shouldn't complain, stoically accept their fate, shou…
/r/MensRights28/08/14 05:01 PM
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Let me just say that you developed quite a few great points over the course of this discussion. I am gaining a lot of insight here. Thank you!
/r/MensRights28/08/14 09:38 AM
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This. This fucking groupthink, this ridiculous tribe morality is at the core of everything that's wrong with modern feminism.
/r/MensRights28/08/14 06:56 AM
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It is not about whether or not it is preventable. No crime and no mischief is fully preventable. It is about how likely something is going to happen and about what preventive measures are reasonable. Take car accidents. They happen. They are bound to happen. And as long as we use cars, there is no way we can fully get rid of them. So, should this fact deter us from getting into a car, ever? No, but maybe we should wear a seatbelt, and maybe we should buy a car with airbags. Rape hysteria means t…
/r/MensRights28/08/14 06:47 AM
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I have written another comment in the original thread that I think summarizes my stance on the debate: Again, you seem to conflate 'Patriarchy' with the existence of restricting gender roles. Traditional gender roles can be hurtful to both sexes (men are seen as disposable, women as less capable to fulfill leadership roles) and is especially bad for people not conforming to these roles. But a society in which traditional gender roles are strongly enforced is not necessarily paramount to a societ…
/r/MensRights28/08/14 06:30 AM
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Again, you seem to conflate 'Patriarchy' with the existence of restricting gender roles. Traditional gender roles can be hurtful to both sexes (men are seen as disposable, women as less capable to fulfill leadership roles) and is especially bad for people not conforming to these roles. But a society in which traditional gender roles are strongly enforced is not necessarily paramount to a society in which the masculine is valued over the feminine or in which men, as a class, hold power over women…
/r/MensRights28/08/14 06:29 AM
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Imagine his surprise.
/r/MensRights27/08/14 09:36 PM
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Your concern is valid and you are right: not all feminists are like that. Sadly, most of the feminists that matter, are.
/r/MensRights27/08/14 09:33 PM
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Thanks, I think so, too. And a good reply! I stand by my strong conviction in regard to the morality of public shaming, but otherwise, I think we are in agreement.
/r/MensRights27/08/14 08:45 PM
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You don't seem to be interested in a discussion any longer. I am partly to blame, my comments were rather snark. My apologies. I guess since it's possible that femininity is valued over masculinity, we should probably direct our frustrations towards all the women in power who have caused this. Which female president was it that signed into law that men have to be drafted? There have been so many, I can't keep them straight. Damn those lady war generals killin their sons n husbands!! A couple of …
/r/MensRights27/08/14 08:40 PM
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Would you say that feminism is done deconstructing the patriarchal gender roles for females? I would say that hegemonic* feminism is actually reinforcing traditional gender roles for females by constantly denying female accountability and responsibility. Here, I refer to the most visible and influential currents of modern feminism: second-wave radical feminism and third wave gender feminism.
/r/MensRights27/08/14 08:04 PM
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At the top of the society, the last thing preventing women from education, politics, and economics were men. No. This is one of the things Paranoid Agnostic is trying to tell you. Gender Roles were enforced by both sexes.
/r/MensRights27/08/14 07:59 PM
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I personally believe there's an extent to which both sexes feel loyalty to their own sex, and that the "homophilia" you describe may well have had some amplifying effect to the privilege that men have had in patriarchal societies. I do not believe however, that this homophilia is the cause, or origin, of the patriarchy; rather the patriarchy evolved from evolutionarily successful gender roles, as I have described above. http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/psp/87/4/494/ This article might interest yo…
/r/MensRights27/08/14 07:15 PM
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Western feminism is smashing patriarchy in the same way that Don Quixote is slaying giants.
/r/MensRights26/08/14 06:20 PM
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Would some of the people who downvote me care to voice their differing opinions? Disregard the word despicable. My point still stands. Making a list of people who committed a certain crime and then only including members of a certain group when their group membership and the crime are not directly related implies hostility towards that group. We would be up in arms if somebody made such a list and made sure to include men only. And rightfully so. We should apply the same standard to women. Paren…
/r/MensRights26/08/14 05:50 PM
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Thanks!
/r/MensRights26/08/14 02:55 PM
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I don't see how the meme of only men being predators is a patriarchal construct, whatever that is supposed to mean. And I don't see how I defend patriarchy. I don't believe it even exists in the modern Western world.
/r/MensRights26/08/14 01:58 PM
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Empathy, reading people and navigating social situations and human encounters is an art, not a science. There is no definitive answer to this. Do you feel like her judgement is clouded? Don't proceed any further.
/r/MensRights26/08/14 01:55 PM
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If people saw the same list with male teachers no one would bat an eyelash and whoever put it together would probably be praised. And that would be wrong as well.
/r/MensRights26/08/14 12:28 PM
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It is misogynistic the same way anyone putting together a list called "the hundred most despicable black criminals" would be racist. It implies that the two characteristics are somehow linked. As a rebuttal to the common notion that only men can be predators, such a list may have some merit. It is still very bad form, imo.
/r/MensRights26/08/14 12:27 PM
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Yep. This is the bailey definition. This is the argument they use to extract compensation in the form of special treatment. Once somebody points out the many disadvantages men face in today's society as well as societies past, they retreat to their motte argument: patriarchy means that restrictive gender roles exist, of course they hurt men, too! Context for the motte and bailey doctrine: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/07/social-justice-and-words-words-words/ The fascinating thing about this …
/r/MensRights26/08/14 11:01 AM
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Wrong question. The beauty of fighting a non-falsifiable non-entity is that it provides you with a never-ending supply of justification for your pushing for special treatment. 'Patriarchy' is a feminist's best friend.
/r/MensRights26/08/14 08:47 AM
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They are the undisputed masters of doublethink, no doubt. To be fair, though, feminism is not a monolith. In any movement as large as this, there are going to be contradicting opinions. In most other movements, however, they are held by different people.
/r/MensRights26/08/14 08:29 AM
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I think that this is very good analysis of the mindset of many a postmodern feminist.
/r/MensRights26/08/14 08:02 AM
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But they just have to have their oppressor-oppressed dynamic. Giving that up would mean giving up everything to them. My assertion is that this is the actual reason for many feminists holding on to this concept. It is not about restrictive gender roles. They are perfectly fine with them when they can use them to absolve women from responsibility or to shame their opposition into silence. It is all about the negative images the word 'patriarchy' conjures. Which is why this whole notion of feminis…
/r/MensRights26/08/14 07:59 AM
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I think for the most part, yes, in terms of legal protection, women have the same legal rights as men. In quite a few western countries, they have more. They enjoy better protection from domestic violence, they're not drafted and don't have to sign up for selective service, and there are quota systems and affirmative action procedures in place giving them an edge over their male competitors. But that shouldn't discredit the stereotypical gender norms that are a part of the public conscience that…
/r/MensRights26/08/14 07:50 AM
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What would a feminist have to gain from giving 'lip service' to men? In this specific case, having a less ridiculous definition at hand as a fall back option gives you legitimacy, a semblance of sanity, support etc. This tactic is known as the motte-and-bailey doctrine. See here, under paragraph II: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/07/social-justice-and-words-words-words/ As to your other points: Yes, men are expected to conform to masculine gender roles, while women (nowadays, to a much lesser…
/r/MensRights26/08/14 07:42 AM
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This discussion illustrates my point rather well.
/r/MensRights26/08/14 07:31 AM
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Thanks for giving my comment more visibility, I really appreciate it. Also, great discussion so far! Here's the thread for context: /r/MensRights/comments/2eee2z/never_have_i_seen_a_tumblr_post_like_this_well/ If my comment is too rant-y for you, there is a more nuanced discussion going on about this topic over at femradebates: http://np.reddit.com/r/FeMRADebates/comments/2dvaoh/the_patriarchy_gotta_love_this_topic/ Since I am talking about 'feminists' in rather general terms in my comment, I th…
/r/MensRights26/08/14 07:27 AM
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This is just the patriarchy backfiring you guys!!! If you help us dismantle it (i.e. push for special privileges for white middle-class women, discriminate against men, demonize masculinity, dispose of oppressive concepts like due process and equality before the law), then your problems will magically disappear! We hurt you because we love you! Help us hurt you and your problems will be gone soon. Pinky promise!
/r/MensRights25/08/14 09:15 PM
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The problem with 'patriarchy' as a concept is that it is completely ambiguous. And in my opinion, purposefully so. Let me explain: I think we all agree that we don't live in a society in which fathers hold total authority over their wives and children. In fact, the marginalization of fathers is one of the most pressing issues of the MRM. So obviously, this is not what is meant by patriarchy. But what is? Here's my take on this: The expression 'patriarchy' - as wielded by your run-of-the-mill fem…
/r/MensRights25/08/14 09:00 PM
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His references are out of control. Everyone knows that.
/r/MensRights25/08/14 03:06 PM
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Yes. But here's the thing: the feminists actually capable and willing to effect change are the ones with a frightening disregard not only for the plights of men, but also for the very foundations of liberal democracies. Apart from pro-choice advocacy, there is simply nothing left to do for sane, moderate feminists. There is no single aspect of life in western democracies in which women are treated as less than equal by public authorities and institutions. There is no public sphere in the western…
/r/MensRights25/08/14 02:59 PM
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I have always been fascinated by this remarkable division of labor: the no-true-feminists are out there lobbying for a frightening erosion of due process rights for men, stalling any progress towards legal equality for men, silencing their opposition via disgusting means, and telling the world the gospel of men as vile, disgusting, and perverted oppressors that cannot be trusted - all the while their true-believer sisters are out there explaining how real feminism is not like that and all about …
/r/MensRights24/08/14 12:57 AM
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Your theory presupposes that feminists are willing to invade subcultures they're not particularly drawn to purely for ideological reasons. I don't think there are that many of them. I think alternative explanations are much more plausible: they're not interest in the culture per se, but do it for personal gain (this is your con-artist type) they're genuinely interested in the culture and become influenced by feminist ideology frequenting nerd subcultures is a way for moderately attractive women …
/r/MensRights21/08/14 04:05 PM
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Good points all around. But while your hypothesis explains why feminists are suspicious of subcultures predominantly populated by (nerdy) men, it does not explain why they suddenly started to migrate to these places. Were feminists drawn to these subcultures for reasons yet to be investigated, or dis feminism influence people already part of the culture (gamer girls and the like)?
/r/MensRights21/08/14 03:46 PM
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Even if there were widespread unconscious misogyny in the gaming industry, at what point would this even manifest? Certainly not at the selling stage: consumers rarely know the gender of the person that developed the games they buy.
/r/MensRights21/08/14 01:14 PM
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That's what I meant to say, thank you. It seems rather clear that Sarkeesian, for example, was an outside intruder. People like R. Watson, on the other hand, seem more like a "homegrown problem".
/r/MensRights21/08/14 01:03 PM
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And why do you refer to geeks as "predators"? I didn't.
/r/MensRights21/08/14 12:28 PM
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They have to find fresh environments with concentrations of male majorities, for "structures of misogyny" to pretend-struggle against. Men facilitate and enable this crap, they seek female approval to such a degree that they enable and support garbage-can misandrist ideology, SJW cult bullshit, and the like. You raise a few very good points. I don't think I have much to add. And you are definitely right about men enabling this behavior. But the question remains: Do predatory feminists (1) seek t…
/r/MensRights21/08/14 11:10 AM
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Do gamers even know who produces the titles they play? Is authorship actually a big deal in the gaming industry? Apart from the Sid Meyer titles, I have never seen a name on any video game box.
/r/MensRights21/08/14 10:25 AM
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Probably they expected nerdy men to be more docile and obedient. The question is: were they right, to some extent? Were they right at first, but now the wind has turned? Or are they simply experiencing minor backlash? Are (some post-modern, third-wave) feminists succeeding in alienating larger parts of the subcultures they set out to take over?
/r/MensRights21/08/14 10:05 AM
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On the other hand: moral entrepreneurship has been around for a while. I'm not sure it's going anywhere. What we might see, though, is certain subcultures growing more resilient to these tactics.
/r/MensRights21/08/14 09:47 AM
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