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There are a lot of miserably married women who did settle for an average chump. Check out r/marriage and sometimes r/parenting for their travails
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 08:15 PM
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You're kind of right. But the mythical wall is also kind of real. I mean, if you are a woman under 50, you will likely always have dudes who want to have sex with you. But as you get older, the quality ones get taken and you're just left with dudes who aren't really relationship material. And as others have said, its not the sex that (most of) these women wanr most, its the companionship. Most people's social circle shrinks as they age
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 08:13 PM
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You are crying about their lack of success in online dating. I'm explaining to you what the issue is. Feel free to get defensive and keep running into the same problem over and over.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 02:53 AM
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Sure. But if they were actually good sales pitches, people would be selecting prospects based on the bio and not just on how hot their photos look
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 02:50 AM
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If you are looking for love on online dating, there's your fucking problem, dude. Gen Z leaves the house less and has way fewer IRL social interactions than any other generation. Meeting people in person, in social settings where shared interests/values are clear is the absolute best way to find that kind of connection, and none of you guys are actually doing that. Get off your phone and actually engage within your physical world community around you and you'll have a way better time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 05:30 PM
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Take your pick of Southeast Asia
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 05:26 PM
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Both if those examples look like shitty sales pitches. One is generic, the other is pretentious and wildly overstates the actual level of worldliness (ie spent the whole time on a resort speaking English).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 05:25 PM
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Ah yes, of course. Most Americans have obesity level BMI because they have bodybuilder or NFL linebacker body comps. And not because they eat like shit and don't exercise.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 09:40 AM
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I mean, its a correct point that you then countered with Whoopi Goldberg. Its really unclear what your argument was
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 11:01 PM
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Looking at obesity statistics, its really not
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 05:28 PM
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The fact that Whoopi is at anypoint in her career an example of a sexually attractive black woman. Your gotcha moment doesn't work because even black men largely never found her as a sex symbol. But Rihanna, Beyonce, etc would be better examples
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 05:26 PM
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Replace Whoopi with Beyonce and see if this shit still makes sense
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 05:24 PM
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Its not "obviously untrue" as it does take PEDS to have high mass + sub 10% bodyfat year round, even for pro athletes - among whom PED use is basically ubiquitous, even among high level amateur ranks.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 05:20 PM
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Its very obvious that "buff" in this discussion means "on par with beauty standards as presented in popular media" given that's the topic of OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 05:19 PM
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The person you are responding to is talking about aesthetics - muscle insertions, ab presentation, etc. Its possible to build lean tissue and also shred body fat, sure. It is not possible to walk around year round with huge mass with 10% or less bodyfat (which is what these Youtube influencers are doing) without PEDs unless you are an extreme genetic outlier like Ronnie Coleman or Hershel Walker. I played elite level rugby in college and afterwards for a few years. Even jacked pro-rugby and NFL …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 05:17 PM
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How many straight women go for men with boobs and hourglass hips?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 05:38 AM
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Dad bod
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 06:03 PM
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Its a superpower to not overeat relative to your activity level?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 06:02 PM
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Its a pretty good analogy for what I imagine OPs dating life is based on his views and attitude
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 02:54 AM
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Who’s complaining? You
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 02:54 AM
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don't ask the hiring manager to help you ace their interview process Asking my prospects how to sell to them straight up is literally how I got started selling solar energy and battery systems. As for your hiring manager advice - the way I got my most lucrative job in tech that paid for my solar business...was having an informational interview with the hiring manager. Some of you dudes are clueless, truly
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 02:53 AM
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OP is demonstrating pretty well why they are unsuccessful. And it has nothing to do with listening to men vs women. He'll ignore good advice from either if it doesn't fit within his biases, and such is pointless to give advice to.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 02:49 AM
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They don’t just listen to them say “I want…” then proceed to give them exactly that. They wouldn’t be in sales for long if that were the case. You are unintentionally demonstrating an inability to listen to what the other person was telling you. And as such, have shown that you did not, in fact understand what they were saying. Listening isn't rote repeating back what you heard. Its paying attention to subtext and applying inductive reasoning to the things people say to identify what someone nee…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 02:48 AM
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You literally have a skilled man giving you advice, and you're refusing to listen. You are hopeless.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 01:23 AM
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are men who are skilled women So...M2F transgender who "pass" well?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 01:21 AM
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Why not? Thats the literal outcome of 20st century governments run by Marxists
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 10:13 PM
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Seems like they were smarter than you then
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 10:12 PM
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Not even go to China. What about Russia like at all is leftist?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 10:09 PM
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Neither will the west.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 10:09 PM
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conservative women have no concept of alpha fucks beta bucks, as they give the stable guy full sexualization as well as romanticization. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Oh buddy...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 10:08 PM
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Just remember that its mostly teenagers writing this stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 12:09 AM
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Its not pure speculation. That's literally what the content labelled redpill espouses if you search for it at random on Youtube and google. The individual stories of redpill content creators is irrelevant. What matters is the content they actually create and messages they push and the audience they target. You can "true Scotsman" all you want, but what matters is what I describe are the consistent themes of content creators who call themselves redpill. And Kevin Samuels is a joke. Ben Shapiro ti…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 11:37 PM
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we (men and women) don't need relationships like we did in the past for social protection, safety, security, etc This was the claim I was addressing. Its pretty well established that our brains have evolved to not only desire those things, but our ability to adapt in and dominate our environment is predicated on them as well. Would love, if you have it, citations to any research supporting your affirmative claim that people no longer need social support structures Correlation doesn't equal causa…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 11:32 PM
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The primary audience of red pill content creators are single, sexually frustrated men who want someone else to blame. You don't need redpill for self improvement. You seek it out for its tradcon views of sexuality and how it diagnoses whats wrong with women and what you can do to exploit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 03:28 PM
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700k subs isn't enough to assume random people know who she is
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 12:06 PM
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and smarter that makes more money than them? This is fairly false among college educated women on the coasts and in major cities globally. There's a reason birth rates are negatively correlated with female education levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 12:04 PM
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You know who is to blame for male problems? The men themselves is the only right answer. Blaming billionaires is the economic version of redpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 12:02 PM
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we (men and women) don't need relationships like we did in the past for social protection, safety, security, etc So the rampant mental health, alcohol/drug addiction and "deaths of despair" issues that have concurrently exploded with the breakdown of marriage and the nuclearization of family structures are all just random coincidence? That an animal that has evolved over millions of years as hypersocial to the point where most of us are useless without support structures magically no longer need…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 11:58 AM
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stop dating them Her audience has that part down, at least
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 11:54 AM
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Alternative view: Woman getting social media views by rehashing same subject she already knows has an audience with nothing but time to consume. She's not giving men a voice, she's monetising, just like every other red pill grifter, the sexual frustration of a growing group of young men who want to blame everyone but themselves for their lack of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 11:53 AM
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Fortunately, a woman who is 5'4 can't actually tell the difference between 5'10 1/2 and 6ft. Especially when he's wearing shoes. They are only rigid in OLD when you have candy shop syndrome. In the real world, few are as rigid as all that. At 5'6, I'm the shortest dude that most of my exes have dated, and I even dated a girl who was 6'1 for a hot minute.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 02:48 PM
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it really does seem like Rich guys are the ones who are going to be fathering many children Is that why birthrates are higher among lower income people?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 01:33 PM
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You should meet more married men. Expand your mind and perspective
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 01:32 PM
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If a woman wants you badly enough, she'll pursue you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 01:31 PM
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In all my 30 years living in a major city in the South, I never met an actual incel in my life. How do you know they were getting laid? Could you smell the "I get laid" pheromones?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 02:09 AM
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Man, in general, this sub and the posts on this sub are all examples for OP
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 02:11 PM
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Nothing says "I cite science research, but couldn't explain the metholody" more than citing Psypost articles. Thats like saying you use DailyMail or The Sun for financial market intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 04:51 AM
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A) you wildly overestimate how much sex guys who act macho actually get B) you can exhibit toxic masculinity by embracing specific ideas about men and women, without peacocking your masculinity or constantly flexing
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 04:49 AM
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Yes. Being exciting can be as simple as being willing to challenge yourself in many dimensions (spiritually, physically, emotionally), being open to new experiences, constantly learning new things, speaking multiple languages. You can do all of that without engaging in high stakes risk taking.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 08:44 PM
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You can be an exciting and fun person to be around without drugs. Be clever and have a great sense of humor. Be into challenging yourself physically. Travel abroad regularly. Get out of your comfort zone regularly. Have experiences in life that give you unique perspectives. Shit, even have something interesting to talk about besides the damn weather when you meet a stranger. The fact that you sarcastically think it can only mean "be a drug user" shows how boring of a person you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 08:42 PM
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Except the premise is wrong then. Most single sexless dudes aren't that way because of short supply of women. They are that way because aspects of their personality are repulsive, and they lack talent or charisma to at least compensate for that. "Average" can still be below acceptable standard if either the median or lower extremes are low.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 08:39 PM
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I'm a dude, and I would not want to date average adam of my generation if I was a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 08:36 PM
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When he was 30, they would have all lined up around the block. And he was weird as hell back then too.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 06:38 PM
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To me it indicates overly high self esteem. Nobody with a high self esteem wastes their energy with shitposts like OPs
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:23 AM
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Yeah, but even that is a product of his shitty attitude and sense of entitlement
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:21 AM
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but its kinda humiliating and emasculating for Adam that Anna has probably slept with a few Tall, Hot, and Hung Henrys Only if Adam has a crippling sense of insecurity and an ego more fragile than a fabergé egg
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:20 AM
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If you were a great lay, she may not have dated you, but she would have come back for seconds. And if you were actually interesting with some charisma, attractive women would find you attractive in spite of you not fitting into their mold of what they typically go for.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:18 AM
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Oh no, women I would never consider dating pretend that they wouldn't date Tom Cruise if that was on the table for them. Anyway...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 01:39 AM
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So they can glorify rapists and physically violent dudes, instead of creepy internet bullshitters?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 01:36 AM
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Do you not understand what an analogue is?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 01:34 AM
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Counterpoint: I'm a short dude with a high body count, and I happily married a cumslut
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 05:29 PM
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Because there are plenty of women seen as global sex symbols or desireable well into their 30s or 40s. And all these dry dick dudes acting like you are worthless the second you turn 30 are just trying to tear you down in order to coerce you into sleeping with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 09:47 PM
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Lol, i can't tell if you're sarcastic trolling, but my wife was 33 when we got married and the average age for marriage anymore is in the 30s. Most of the societal observations on this sub are from people on the way outside looking jealously in. Take it as entertainment and not actual data-driven takes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 05:32 PM
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A 34-year-old woman would just have significantly fewer options for long-term relationships than she did when she was younge Thats not even true though. And I'm not even sure how you would measure that. Especially when the average age for marriage and childbirth is now in the 30s for Millenials. What about a 34yo who looks 23? Or a 34yo who still has 10/10 looks? Or has a winning personality and is fit?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 05:30 PM
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it’ll be hard to take you seriously. Nothing funnier than dudes who can't get laid grossly overestimating how much anyone cares about their approval
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 05:27 PM
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Most of those guys have skin like leather Source: live near the beach in Norcal, see old surfer dudes all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 05:25 PM
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Because it manifests with often deadly toxicity
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 05:59 AM
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Someone who is so lazy they won’t even do basic childcare for their own kid is not likely to be an enthusiastic lover. Lol, plenty of "bad boys" make exciting boyfriends, fun sex, but terrible parents. And let's not pretend that every 70% of the housework, SAHD is a great lover either.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 09:01 PM
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If a woman LIKES anal sex, she will want to have anal sex with whoever she's having sex with. Categorically false, and for so many reasons like parts don't fit comfortably or current partner is not enthusiastic about anal
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 08:59 PM
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Promiscuous does not mean cheater. It means "fucks a lot" which is something you can do as a single person. And its also subjective, and therefore weaponized by people who want to control the sex lives of other people. Sometimes this sub feels like dudes are crowdsourcing ways to guilt or pressure women into sleeping with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 04:11 PM
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Yeah, maybe some of you dudes crying about your lack of sex will get more shots on goal. Should be good for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:19 PM
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If people are polyamorous, how is it cheating?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:18 PM
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I'm struggling to see value in the premise of this OP's question
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:10 AM
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Angry teenager
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 07:26 PM
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Ignoring symptoms and not seeking treatment is an example of toxic masculinity. Expecting your male child to suck it up, not giving them comfort is a example of toxic masculinity You asked for definition responding to a post that defines it for you...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 07:26 PM
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Women instinctually have more contempt for men they deem pathetic than men they fear. So do men though
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 07:25 PM
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How many is it? Care to offer a citation?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 07:24 PM
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How many is that? Have a citation?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 07:23 PM
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Meh, most CMV posts aren't done by people with flexible viewpoints
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 06:42 PM
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They say that their mothers, sisters, aunties, female friends You mean women who would never conceivably see you as a sexual partner do not have the same perspective as women who potentially could? Mind. Blown.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 04:54 PM
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Legalize prostitution
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 02:16 PM
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Your first link is just a survey about one night stands. Thats not reasonable or rational to conflate one night stands to speak for the totality of possible sexual interactions, and makes me question wtf you're even indexing for in your own life. Cold approaches are low probability even for hot guys because they require an incredible amount of charisma and comfort with rejection to even get 25% success rates. Look at the best cold call sales people. Nowhere close to 50% success rate. Throw in yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 01:45 PM
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Not everyone's OK with getting rejected 95% of the time just to get laid. Sure, but fear of rejection is not rational. And neither is the expectation of low rejection rates when even for attractive men who are successful, the success rate resembles a baseball batting average. At the end of the day, the entire basis of your response to that fear of rejection and sense of entitlement is rationalization of your fragile ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 01:38 PM
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Both psychology and behavioral economics still provide rational frameworks for modeling humam behavior, which is still predictable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 01:35 PM
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Nope go to any bar or club or even concert Damn. I guess those are the only possible places to meet women. Checkmate dude, I think you got him!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 10:44 PM
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"I've not actually tried anything, and I'm all out of ideas. Lets pack it up boys!"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 10:43 PM
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men are pretty damn good at rationalizing Ftfy There is a difference between being rational and good at rationalizing. A lot of dudes rationalize lack of effort by citing narratives (that are generally unsupported by actual empirical data). Which, if their goal is to get more sex, is a very irrational strategy
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 10:41 PM
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Psychopath men are on the spectrum. Their lack of empathy or natural grasp of human emotions is a defining characteristic of the basic pathology
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 09:36 PM
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Your belief that rejection is some ego destroying disaster is why your sex life is as bad as it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 09:34 PM
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Thats the point being made though. It takes confidence and charisma to not only create a successful youtube channel, put out yourself out there to be rejected. Guys on this sub bought into redpill as rationale for their terrible sex life don't really understand how far confidence and charisma carry you, because most have so little of both. But it really does allow guys who would have 0 luck online to actually have success on par with men who have great looks and zero charm.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 09:34 PM
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Reminder that what straight men think is a 10/10 man is very different from what straight women think is 10/10. The men who obsess the most about female height pref are 5'9 dudes with no personality, thinking that 3 inches taller will make their sex life better.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 09:29 PM
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It doesn't prove shit. Redpill treats dating and sex as transactional, where the only male currency is looks first and status second. Here's a guy who is a 4/10 who has a 20% success rate because he actually has confidence and charisma, and you're moving the goalposts. Presumably to justify your sense of entitlement to not having to put in self development work to bump up your own 1% success rate
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 09:25 PM
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So what you're saying is that you have Tier 1 ability to twist anything a woman says into "redpilled" to serve your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 08:47 PM
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Explain Beyonce, Cardi B, pretty much every female rapper, Kardashians, etc? How are any of these extremely popular maintream female musicians/entertainers who preach financial independence and are walking Betchel Tests (ie have tons of content that have zero to do with men in any capacity) depictions of Red Pill views? Or is the only way you can support any of your position thru extreme cherrypicking?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 03:59 PM
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Cherry picking a handful of books, ignoring romance novels that don't conform to the target tropes, poorly/inaccurately summarizing the actual characters (this would be D level lit crit in an actual literature class), and pretending that women fiction writers only write romance novels are all reasons why people are disagreeing with OP. This is a textbook bad faith argument. And if this is an accurate reflection of TRP thought process, all it proves is that you guys are kinda dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 03:56 PM
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Madonna-Whore is based on some truth Citation? So much of TRP is based on sweeping claims and doesn't seem burdened by the need for actual evidence supporting those claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 03:47 PM
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why do men pursue a certain type of woman for hooking up and an entirely different type of woman for marriage? Do we? I hook up with hot, sexually agressive sluts in leadership roles in their careers, and thats also what I married.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 03:46 PM
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Wasn't Rey essentially an asexual psychopath?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 03:44 PM
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No thanks. Those books were tiresome forced reads for 8th grade lit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 03:39 PM
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Does OP not know that women write genres targeted at female audiences other than romance? Tell me again how Ursula LeGuin's characters embody any of the nonsense claimed in the OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 03:36 PM
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I'm another man telling you it isn't. Not all of us are sex starved or slaves to our sex drives. Just as you have "bros", you can have female friends you relate to like a sister. Or auntie. Or a second mother. Like, I can be a meathead, but I also have other dimensions to who I am as a person, so I can't just spend my free time around the same dudes and way of thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 01:53 AM
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You sound like a dude who would fuck anything, then. You're saying its not possible to be friends with a woman You're not sexually attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 10:20 PM
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I dunno, why did people think we were at constant risk of terror attacks for a while in the early 00s? What actually kills us vs the dangers we obsess about rarely intersect
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 10:18 PM
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I don't know if its "mad". But you're certainly projecting your own inability to see women as anything other than potential sex partners
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 10:16 PM
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Outside of the bros I played soccer with growing up, all of the friends I made from age 18-25 who I'm still friends with now (36) are women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 10:14 PM
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Those 4 things get you much further in life and with women than height and face in the absence of those 4.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 04:45 PM
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Now, how much of that is men actually becoming conditioned to liking big asses Of all idealized female traits in media, why are we singling out asses? Why not red lips, hourglass shapes, big boobs, blonde hair, etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 03:24 PM
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Your comment doesn't change what I said at all the portion of "men" you're referring to shrank considerably between your first and second comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 03:23 PM
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If you actually knew anyone with charisma, you'd see how far it gets you in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 05:34 AM
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Black men have loved big asses for more than a century, my dude. Its only white men started liking them 10 years ago, and then it got popular mainstream.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 04:15 AM
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Have been on steroids. Confused about what you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 04:14 AM
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Most dudes would not be able to tell minor plastic surgery (nose or jawline refinement) or things like botox.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 04:13 AM
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You know you're right. Mildly interested to see the vibe of being around these women that does things to these men. Gender dysphoria, drug overdose and nearly died, public mental breakdown. Some pretty major situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 04:12 AM
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The gym affects you in intangible ways that impact how you interact: Posture, physical confidence, mood
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 12:23 AM
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Point is women weigh looks heavily when selecting men. ...in an environment where looks are the only attribute she has access to. In thr real world and not online, the dating world is vastly different. And short average looking dudes like me with charisma clean up
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 12:21 AM
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It is fucking ridiculous what's going on out there with the dating market. I know we are an always online set of generations (Gen Y and Gen Z), but it bears repeating that Tinder != the dating market in its entirety. My wife and I are non monogamous, and we can both got to LA, NYC or DC and land dates through social events, swinger networks, or in the right parts of town just by bumping into people. I'm a 7 at best (being short definitely downpegs me), but with my 9 wife as a wingwoman I've date…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 09:14 PM
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The kid is still dead if the dads not there. citation? Single mothers are even more common in our more nuclear family structure and kids aren't dying as a result.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 02:50 PM
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Why are you ignoring the other alternatives, such as parents who are swingers, mother who is a hotwife, father who is cuckolded involuntarily, father who has a hall pass, parents with a dead bedroom who both fuck other people. There's such a wide range of sexual behaviors and yet you still chose to index on "men who cheat are deadbeat dads"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:12 AM
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an inherently biased organization. That describes all organizations staffed by humans tbf
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:09 AM
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Bruh, why project modern nuclear family structures and isolation onto all of human history? Child rearing for successful stone age communities was communal. This is the problem with evo psych. It ignores actual anthropology in favor of narrative
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:07 AM
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capitalists are the ones investing in assets (financialized property ownership) to increase rent Investing capital for the creation of real assets/IP is the critical behavior that differentiates a capitalist from a rentier, who seeks only to extract rents. Seriously, actually read Wealth of Nations. The foundation of the theory is the empirical research Smith did to understand why the UK and German city states generated more wealth than France in spite of France's larger area and population. Ren…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 09:31 AM
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They don’t make it easy to tell they are fat with creative angles On the contrary. Lack of simple full body frontal picture, and profile full of creative angles is a dead giveaway that she's hiding excess weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 03:54 AM
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Bill Clinton could have gotten head from any of the hot female interns at the Whitehouse and he chose Monica Lewinsky. Some dudes like em chubby
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 03:51 AM
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We are in agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 01:48 AM
2

Married couples are far more likely to engage in things like swinging and other non monogamous kink communities than any other status.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 10:09 PM
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Exploitation is inherent in any economic system. And if you think capitalism is bad, wait till you experience serfdom.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 10:01 PM
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Whats weird is people who cry about freedom going on anti capitalist rants. It shows you have no idea what capitalism actually is. You guys are going to vote yourselves into feudalism and have no idea what happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 10:00 PM
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Rent seeking is the literal antithesis of capitalism. Adam Smith openly hated it with a passion. Anti-rentseeking was central to his thesis of why 18th century UK and German states were richer than France in spite of France's bigger area and population. Seriously, how can people be so opinionated about things they have so little actual knowledge of?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 09:58 PM
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You just reworded what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 09:37 PM
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More like thats what you personally want. Women over 25 with stable jobs and future orientation aren't chasing dopamine of risky sex, they're generally looking (if they are looking) for partners who have their shit together, or maybe rich, high status men. You're describing the mindset of teenage girls and adult female trainwrecks
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 09:35 PM
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I absolutely can blame fellow men for being little bitches about having to actually wash their balls, go to the gym, and invest in actual skills development to be attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 08:38 PM
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The most honest women will acknowledge the red flags they ignored and their own boundaries they allowed to be broken.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:56 PM
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white educated women Looking at Japan, Korea, China, India and pretty much any global south country with growing female college attainment, you can drop the white part.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:56 PM
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Higher levels of education among women correlate strongly with lower birthrates. I wonder if, going with your stress theory, that careering is actually more stressful than child rearing for women and we just have a ton of women not making enough money for nanny/outside help who are lying to themselves about whats actually possible or what they even want in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:54 PM
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Music today seems like you put the 70s-2000s in a blender. So its not just me! I listen to a random new song on Spotify, and I have no idea if its in the current top 40 or if its a throwback
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:52 PM
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You're absolutely correct. But people struggle to make financially literate decisions
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:50 PM
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Everyone here seems to want a turnkey house in an HOA plan. Or just not live in nowheresville, midwest. Or in the middle of neglected inner city. And I say that as a landlord of properties in Missouri and Kansas. The US is emptying out in the middle as people flood to major cities for employment opportunities
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:49 PM
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Unchecked Capitalism MRW people cant tell the difference between rent seeking and capitalism because their entire understanding of economic theory comes from social media rather than actual economics education
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:47 PM
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Ie men think that showing up with zero effort, shitty attitude, and unwashed balls is going to work if they're broke and not good looking
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:45 PM
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Sour grapes
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:43 PM
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The fun of sex isn't the risk. Its how good shit feels.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:43 PM
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Fwiw, among those who do have sex, non monogamy and kink world has much wider mainstream appeal among heterosexuals. Thats not incompatible with fewer straight men especially being involved in the sex/dating world.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:42 PM
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If hypothetically, female participation in the Job market drives down the value of male labor But whats the point of this hypothetical when we have actual data showing that female labor participation coincides with gains in real wages across the board?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 09:48 PM
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You don't see men having major surgical procedures and life-long changes to their bodies because women get pregnant. Let me introduce you to vasectomy. It ain't single, childless dudes getting them. The idea that this is somehow...comparable to what women are going through is silly Sure, "silly" because its inconvenient for you to have to actually empathize with a father or even pay attention to what his actual contributions are. And yes, your wife is quite different than most women. Maybe. But …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 08:33 PM
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as women exclusively suffer the costs of that financially and physically I'm really curious about this assertion. My wife got a promotion while out on mat leave her first job. Got fired while pregnant with our second, sued the employer, got more than she would have had she not been fired, and got a new higher paying job 2 weeks before childbirth and took 5 months of mat leave. Granted, she might be unique. However, we also have had significant nanny help + daycare and private preschool. Which, g…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 01:53 PM
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And most women prefer sex with men Do they? The number of women staying single through their fertile years and never having kids/getting married has risen substantially.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 02:08 PM
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Tldr, you've realized you're a conservative who doesn't buy into liberal/conservative culture war, but does buy into war of the sexes
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 07:40 AM
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Jesus, the pity parties here about how mediocre dudes with zero talents can't get laid and its just so unfair is making it seem as if being a loser is better than just putting your head down and being the best you can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 03:30 AM
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Wash your balls regularly before you complain about that one
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 07:45 PM
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Matches your 8" trouser snake
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 07:44 PM
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Women are more attractive to me than men, as they are for most men who prefer sex with women. That being said, the girl in the pic thinks she's an 8? I wonder if she goes to an engineering school...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 07:44 PM
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I think this is an interesting discussion to have Not without actual data supporting the validity of your premise
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 07:37 PM
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Where did you specify you were talking about high end escorts ? In the part where the person I responded to specifically called out Johns with financial resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 08:26 PM
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I’m not sure how OP wrote a wall of text explaining their logic. It ain't great, but its there
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 02:53 PM
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They would get better results with full legalization, as any criminalization leads to black markets, which is where/how trafficking proliferates.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 02:53 PM
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Most independent escorts don't see even a third of that a day in terms of volume. Closer to a dozen per month, with the very low end hourly of $300-$500/hr
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 02:52 PM
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If we held all posters on this sub to the standard of requiring direct experience, there would be very few posts on this sub. Its like 90% wild takes about people OP largely doesn't interact with, and I've seen just one post ever that cited data from actual scientific research.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 02:49 PM
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No. But at the same time, most independent sex workers are not making 6 figures. Just like most NFL players aren't making millions of dollars.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 02:38 PM
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Source: their ass
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 02:36 PM
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and most sex workers are teenage girls. The johns with actual substantial financial resources are not trolling for sex trafficked teens forced to streetwalk. They are seeing higher end escorts, the overwhelming majority of which are in their 20s or early 30s. The amount of misinformation about sex work (and by people with no direct experience as a sex worker or as a john) seems pretty on brand for this sub. Narrative matters more than actual fact, amiright?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 02:36 PM
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Sex workers are far less likely to have STDs than the general population.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 02:30 PM
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Those forums have poor representation of the sex workers who have the market power to be picky about their clients.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 02:29 PM
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Doesn't matter. Everything I don't like in the universe that involves money is because capitalism. Slavery, war, state capture...all of it is because capitalism. The world was a happy, peaceful, healthy place before the 1770s.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 02:28 PM
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it would be ideal to cut it off from the ones selling the sex, instead of the ones buying it. Try telling that to believers in the Nordic model
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 02:22 PM
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Ah yes, we all know the major issues with sex trafficking that have blown up in Amsterdam, Germany and Nevada
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 02:19 PM
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They don't feel sophisticated. They're just lonely and horny and mad about it, and willing to use any logic they can find to manipulate a woman into wetting their dry dicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 01:30 AM
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You're single because your personality and way you act IRL is unattractive. Not because some women claim to be happy being single. I guarantee you'd be dating those women if you were dateable and didn't look for some external thing to blame your outcomes in life on.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 01:28 AM
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Media and porn does idealize high school outfits It also celebrates MILFs and banging stepmoms, so go figure
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 01:27 AM
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Women in their 30's and even 40's are often damned fine, and hornier than women in their 20's. The whole concept of the Wall is dumb. The bio clock is real, but its fairly obvious - given how sex rather than actual relationship oriented trp is - that these dudes aren't having any sex at all if they think the experience of sex is superior when targeting 20 something women comapred to older. And what we see as the wall is just shit lifestyle catching up to genetics. Women who take care of themselv…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 01:20 AM
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So you're saying actual data is worse than whatever narrative you've decided is true because it supports your thesis?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 01:17 AM
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Are they "fine" with it, or are they resigned to it and have had bad enough experiences with men that its the better of two bad options?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 01:16 AM
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You are just projecting your owm immaturity by claiming that not being able to get shitfaced on weekends or have sex with randoms constitutes your life being destroyed. My parents were getting their PhDs when they had me (birth control failed). Guess what, they still got their PhDs and went from being broke to being worth 8 figures.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 08:15 PM
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Tell that to the grieving families of women that die in childbirth Dude, this level of concern trolling is gross. You don't care about those people, you're just using them as a moral prop to win an "appeal to emotion" argument on Reddit. By this logic, nobody should drive, because "tell all the grieving families of people who died in car accidents how cars are the most time efficient mode of travel available"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 10:35 AM
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Why are you even having sex and dealing with this level of anxiety if this is your view of pregnancy and child rearing? The only way it happens is via sex, which you insist on having. Just like incels you are crying about biology not allowing you the hedonism you feel apparently entitled to without consequence.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 10:33 AM
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I have 2 kids under 5. Can confirm, my life is not destroyed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 10:30 AM
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exercising caution. Babies can be life destroyers Great example of how people grossly exaggerate the things they are afraid of. Jfc
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 02:31 PM
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Because the theory is shit and not based on actual empirical data from measured human interactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 07:55 AM
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Attractive girls on online dating platforms have 1000s of options. Bro, who tf has time to sift thru 1000s of options? Especially when lets be real, 95% of them are total undateable duds? You guys are so obsessed about yourselves and your lack of sex that you don't seem to get why height is such a thing i OLD. Girls have literally hundreds or thousands of options if they are young and attractive. So they have to come up with filters that bring that number down to something thats actually managea…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 07:33 AM
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People bad at test taking struggle in school. People born into poor households have to work harder. There is always something that might put you at a disadvantage. While I get your point, there's a level of entitlement about access to sex and female attention that is really gross. The universe doesn't owe you sex. And anyway, I can't even count the number of times my 5'6 ass unded up hooking up with a girl who had a proclaimed tall guy fetish. And I don't think Tom Cruise or Messi ever had issue…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 07:29 AM
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The best NFL quarterback of all time wasn’t good enough for his wife Because he spent all of his attention on football to the point of not having sex with her during the season. I can imagine how psycho Tom was to be around, all sporting greats have that level of obsession that excludes even family. Its funny how you assume that the dude in both scenarios was a saint and bears no responsibility in the relationship breakdown, and then use that as your evidence that women are too demanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 07:22 AM
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That in and of itself is enough to not take any serious generalizable conclusions from the study. The average couple has far less than a 10 in height difference
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 07:17 AM
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if someone just wanted sex, they wouldnt be going for virgins Unless they had a fetish...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 05:35 PM
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I was the same way up until 20yo. You're a bit young re:life experience to have such an "above it all" mindset, but at the same time thats normal for your age
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 03:33 PM
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I love how you just invalidate their position with "it's not that difficult". Spoken like a privileged person who can actually get people to accept dates. You can't get people to accept dates if you never even ask them though. Dude is using his introversion as an excuse to not even try, and then crying about the lack of outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 03:26 PM
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Tf? You really policing other people's experience of lonliness?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 03:25 PM
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Look, I'm a short black dude who has had more sex than he can handle since age 20 (am 36 now). Dealt with plenty of BS racism, and yet still ended up working at Google before starting my own business. My key has been to focus on the gifts and advantages I do have (public speaking, elite rugby talent, great at math, zero sense of social anxiety or fear), which have been enough to get the same general outcomes in life as Chads without being one.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 04:24 AM
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That’s why TRP has hit almost 4 million subscribers Thats a meaningful number of men. And I would argue the vast majority of males give zero fucks about pill color classifications made by dudes who need surrogate dads on the internet to tell them to shower and get exercise.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 04:14 AM
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https://ifstudies.org/blog/male-sexlessness-is-rising-but-not-for-the-reasons-incels-claim says you are wrong. But feel free to provide a citation for your clearly bogus numbers How could sexlessness have dropped by 12% during a pandemic that had lockdowns?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 04:11 AM
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Who said anything about solving them? Lack of anything, whether sex or income, is not really that complicated in terms of the steps required to get the thing. Whats hard is overcoming inertia of our existing patterns of behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 04:08 AM
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It doesn’t really take any resources away from anyone It does because those extra accommodations don't come out of thin air, nor is the extra time spent by teachers free. Your special setup at work requires use of finite resources. That would become even more clear if every disorder was entitled to extra accommodations and you ended up having to fight over limited resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 12:56 AM
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I have ADHD, and I think it’s fair for me to have accommodations in things like school and the workplace Why? And if every disorder gets accommodation, whats to say ADHD isn't at the back of the line?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 09:29 PM
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The issue is that the biggest whiners aren't even doing things within their control. Like basic hygiene, exercise and stepping off the internet from time to time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 09:28 PM
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The thing is, what you're saying applies also to those systemic issues. And people suffering at the wrong end of those issues tend to not even do the things in their control, and just rely on using their victimhood as a magic ticket for other people doing their work for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 09:27 PM
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But why not apply that thinking to everything? You should. If you are broke, rather than the bs nihilist cop-out you presented or voting for the next populist who promises you other people's money, the alternative is to master your own emotions and take a strategic approach to wealth building.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 09:23 PM
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You can take responsibility for how other people's perception of your height impacts how you treat other people. If you're short, and you let societal bias against short people make you a pissed off bitter person who is shitty to women, your lack of sex is not society's fault, it's your own.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 09:19 PM
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it’s effectiveness Popularity does not equate with actual effectiveness. It is effective at pandering to the same white male insecurities as Trump did. But if it was actually effective, why are marriage rates declining and male sexlessness rates increasing?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 09:17 PM
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Then you have a rape,assault, murder case. With an extremely low conviction rate and generally unsympathetic police
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 04:16 PM
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It is in many places. The whole "they're all pimped out abused women" is a concern trolling narrative that diminishes female agency
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 04:15 PM
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How does this jive with the reality and ubiquitousness of obesity in the US?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 04:09 PM
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Hell no
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 03:49 PM
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The proliferation of women seeking sugar daddies over the last few years is a direct contradiction to your narrative. You are, as usual, attributing the perspective of a vocal minority to an entire gender
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 02:13 PM
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But if she's had like forty or fifty guys before ever meeting me, then I know that in a line up with fifty other randomly picked men, I am absolutely not going to be the best choice available there. This is the difference between you and men who have happy, healthy relationships. I have no need to compare myself. If she likes being with me and I with her, then we're good. I have a high bodycount, and I would not want to be with someone so insecure that they expected me to dip out constantly. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 12:02 AM
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There's a reason guys who struggle to get laid struggle to get laid that you've outlined well. Shit mindset and total lack of emotional maturity. Putting myself in a woman's shoes, why would I date someone like that? They exude toxicity with every interaction and they clearly have zero respect for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 11:58 PM
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Dude, straight men realize this too. Check out ENM or swingers groups. Plenty of interplay between bi and straight people in those spaces
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 03:50 AM
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The purpose of IRB is to triple check the validity of your research methodology. OP is a layperson with zero grasp of statistics or sampling, trying to use anecdotes from their friend group to draw broad sociological conclusions. That's like thinking you can drive a semi because you can do cool tricks in the hotwheels mom and dad got for you. Its not "thinking for yourself" its executing a basic study extremely poorly and lacking humility to actually learn how to do it right
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 03:48 AM
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I consider anecdotes to be pretty good data Most actual scientists do not. And in general, anecdotes are very poor data
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 03:45 AM
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you are the one who made a claim. The burden is on you to provide data to support it. Otherwise, we should assume you pulled it out of a dark and slightly damp place
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 03:43 AM
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You clearly don't understand how sampling works in statistics. How about providing at least a couple of studies that support your assertions?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 03:42 AM
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This is some seriously coercive and manipulative logic. I can be reflexively disgusted by anything. As long as I respect the civil rights of people who have the preference I find repulsive, I am not "phobic" or a bigot.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 03:34 AM
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Who said women are disgusted by gay or bi men? OP made this claim (without any actual proof or data to support said claim)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 03:32 AM
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Given OPs comments throughout the threads here, this post reads like a 5 talking about 3s and shooting for 8s
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 08:36 PM
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diet and exercise is all that the 80% of people who are overweight or obese need to fix themselves More at issue is that said obese folks aren't even doing those basic things, and yet are claiming they don't work. When basic physics of weight loss (calories out > calories in) applies to pretty much all but those with thyroid issues
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 08:34 PM
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It's not a problem...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 08:23 PM
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If anything, I would think women in this situation are more likely to be cheated on, as the sex life and actual intimacy are non-existent. Your man can tell he disgusts you and wants someone who makes him feel desired. The feeling of gratitude he has for your deigning to date him would wear off quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 08:22 PM
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Ok ok. So explain the desire for a "lady in the streets but a freak in the sheets"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 02:36 PM
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If it was child's play, why are more than 40% of adults obese?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 02:31 PM
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I've told you twice now that nothing beats direct experience and it seems you'd rather be a reddit smartass than take the advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 04:16 AM
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Anything but talk to an actual woman, is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 03:35 AM
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And it's incredibly easy Still fails at this bar
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 03:34 AM
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For sure, same for r/marriage. But the bitterness and self righteousness is the clear evidence that many women cannot get what they want "without effort" and that many women fail to get it even with colossal effort and pride swallowing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 11:49 PM
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I'm not seeing an expectation for attractive women to accept ugly dudes from what you quoted
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 11:45 PM
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There is no riddle. Most of the dudes making sexually frustrated posts spend zero time actually talking to women or putting any rigor into actually understanding what women want outside of where that aligns with their own sexual demands. It would be more surprising if they expressed any thoughtful understanding of female psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 11:09 PM
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And it's incredibly easy Hard disagree. There are many many women for whom no amount of makeup that can overcome lack of facial bone structure or clothes that can hide obesity.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 10:11 PM
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A lot of women in Hollywood are great examples of this. Barbara Streisand and Sarah Jessica Parker, for example
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 10:09 PM
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but attractive women are supposed to be selfless and find value in ugly dudes trying to run up on them. Where did you get that from the comment you were responding to?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 10:08 PM
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And don't give me that English isn't my first language bullshit either. Lol, right? As if punctuation and composition only exist in English
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 06:55 PM
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please link me to two of them, so that I can judge the claim in context. Yeah, if someone asked me for a citation like that, I would assume they were just going to move the goalposts.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 06:54 PM
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Or how about just a rule that you are required to cite a (non RP or BP) source when making a claim? Maybe that will help people do some research beyond finding sources that confirm their existing biases? I'm not hopeful
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 06:52 PM
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I feel you. But much of that condescension comes from hearing the same damn, terribly inaccurate and un-self aware comments/complaints ad nauseum from people who feel entitled to certain outcomes without effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 06:50 PM
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Body count' (horrible phrase) is not something that comes up in conversation until you're already with someone. Or at all, if you're even relatively emotionally mature.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 06:48 PM
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I know a lot of ugly rich dudes who lay more pipe than most Chads you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 06:47 PM
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Certainly the content seems more based on the worldviews of teenagers and 20-something virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 06:46 PM
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How about a requirement to provide data if making a claim that has sweeping generalizations about an entire gender?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 06:44 PM
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There's a difference between low effort and low quality. I see a lot of high effort posts of very low quality. Most people posting outrageous claims with a wall of text and zero actual datapoints to support their claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 06:43 PM
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The OPs claim was that this could be achieved without effort by women, which is obviously ridiculous. My wife is sex crazy and it took her 6 years into our marriage to feel comfortable with herself/work thru past sexual trauma to even ask for what she wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 06:05 PM
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Lol, you're centering this around your preferences. Ironically, this is exactly the reason OPs premise is false - most men do exactly what you do. And thus limit the scope of fantasies that are actually available to their female partners to what they, the male partner, is willing to do. Think of the number of dudes who are totally unwilling to have MMF threesomes, for example. Or be pegged. Or be tied up and dommed. I could go on.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 03:07 PM
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Whats funny is that the cream of the crop from those countries come to the US and generally outperform gringo men in academics, income, and rate of business ownership. No need for American women to leave the country.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 03:02 PM
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Sitcom or not, they are a more accurate portrayal of reality than the sweeping generalizations spouted on this sub by dudes who clearly have never actually been in a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 02:58 PM
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because I can't think of any relatively normal ones that would be too difficult to fulfill Thus proving her point. "Relatively normal" - the scope of the task you're effectively limiting to your standard or normal
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 03:50 AM
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Sure, but the average dude lacks the emotional maturity or self control to be the kind of partner she could trust to help make that an enjoyable experience for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 03:50 AM
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But average men are not in demand But thats also because objectively, the American average man is terrible in bed, is emotionally in an arrested development state, and lacks the drive and motivation to improve themselves, choosing instead to cry about what they feel they deserve but can't get. You're like the dude who never showers or brushes his teeth complaining about nobody wanting to sit next to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 03:48 AM
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I was extremely choosy even when I didnt have lots of choices. And I avoided wasting my 20s on a myriad of shitty toxic relationships. I came out way ahead in all regards by not placing "have tons of sex" as my primary focus in life, learned how to actually have healthy relationships, married an ENM sex fiend, and ended up with sex being on the table literally every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 03:46 AM
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I'm glad us American bros made dating easier for women than many other parts of the world. Pretty sure us "American bros" make sex tiresome for pretty much everyone with the constant navel gazing and obsession with something most of the group is objectively terrible at.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 03:41 AM
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Women get to live out their exact fantasies with absolute minimal effort. If you think this is remotely true, you are 100% living in a fantasy world
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 03:39 AM
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Women get to live out their exact fantasies with absolute minimal effort. Bro, go over to r/sexover30, r/marriage, r/deadbedrooms, r/datingover30 to see just how flawed and incorrect your starting premise is. Starting to wonder if this sub shouldn't be renamed r/hottakesbysexuallyfrustratedteens
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 03:38 AM
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Given that I'm married to exactly what I am looking for, and every serious gf I had before that fit that mold as well, I'd say the issue here is your looking for something to be offended by rather than my standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 09:46 PM
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For reference, Mackenzie Scott's contribution to Amazon: Scott was one of Amazon's first employees, and was heavily involved in Amazon's early days, working on the company's name, business plan, accounts, and shipping early orders. She also negotiated the company's first freight contract. She played a critical and irreplaceable role in the early success of the business. Those of you going out of your way to minimize her into a "stay at home mom who got lucky and married a billionaire" are speaki…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 03:04 PM
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She was an accountant. She helped grow the business in a direct and critical way on top of being the breadwinner when he was first getting started. Essentially a co-founder without the title
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 02:55 PM
1

Could be sex workers
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 07:49 AM
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You are literally proving my point about the neuroticism of women whose identity is wrapped up in their intelligence. I directly stated that I prefer women who are feminine and,accomplished. The latter is impossible without intelligence. The difference is that their identity is not tied to their intellect.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 01:15 AM
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They'll say its because "only losers pay" But we know its because they can't afford the hot sex workers
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 01:10 AM
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Ok, lets take a more extreme example. Do you prefer a mediocre massage or a skillful punch in the face? Most people you ask would actually prefer neither, so forcing them to choose between one or the other doesn't actually give you a sense of people's actual preferred physical activities
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 01:07 AM
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If you required the burden of actual data to support claims, TRP and this sub would both have very little content.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 10:41 PM
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He says intelligent women can’t be feminine Point to where I said that
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 05:52 PM
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You don't sound intelligent at all if thats the conclusion you reached by reading what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 05:51 PM
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Except the OP falsely frames the actual reality. You have Gisele Bundchen who is a 10 AND ALSO smart. And more women who are 5's are dumb than smart. When you lay out all the options, I don't think there is a clear pref between 9 and smart vs 9 and dumb vs 6 and dumb. mostly because if we're honest, 9 of any kind is out of reach for vast majority of men and 6 is above average anyway and most men are punching up even for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 03:30 PM
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Except for all the men completely disagreeing with that and explicitly stating a preference for brains in addition to looks
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 03:26 PM
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and please don't pass on that to my kids either. For real. Plenty of hot women who are also smart
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 03:25 PM
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Speak for yourself. You'd also be surprised at how many high powered women like tp be dommed in the bedroom
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 03:24 PM
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I'm a smart, hughly educated dude, and no matter how hot if someone tried droping Kierkegaard or Kant in conversation, I'd probably unmatch
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 03:01 PM
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Highly educated men from top universities see an intelligent woman more as the trophy wife than the beautiful bimbo. I am exactly that kind of man, and I disagree with your statement 100%. I'm a low drama dude and "intellectual" women are highly neurotic more often than not. Trophy wife for me is hot AND feminine but also financially independent, which requires accomplishment outside of picking the right parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 02:58 PM
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I live in an area full of hot SAHMs and trophy wives. There is a lot of abuse many put up with in exchange for financial comfort. And its even more likely if there is a large class disparity between husband and wife going into the marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 02:56 PM
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they won't do it Consider the alternative that you are literally staring at. Where men will go online and whine about those unworthy but hot women not lining up to sex them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 02:53 PM
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Spend more time with straight men who have jobs (outside of tech) that are very high income. There is a premium on looking good among that group too
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 02:52 PM
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You haven't actually defined triumph explicitly. Implicit in your post is the idea that "triumph" means being preferred by the average man as a sexual or marriage partner. Besides lacking any actual data to support your claim, you also say this The majority of men will pick an 8-10/10 pretty woman who is less intelligent and has little to no personal achievements over a 5/6 and below intelligent woman who has achieved a great deal in her life. Which seems to suggest A) multiple competing defiiti…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 02:49 PM
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It sounds like you're just salty that women aren't letting you pump and dump them
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 02:36 PM
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People desperate to get laid will do anything to get nookie
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 03:48 AM
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If the point of the question is to filter, its not a trap
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 03:46 AM
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The very first woman I had sex with was 42 and could have her pick of men in most rooms she was in.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 01:09 AM
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Nah, just broad generalizations about people he largely never actually interacts with
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 01:08 AM
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If you're spinning plates, thats not having "a partner", that's playing the field.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 01:07 AM
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Or their youth
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 01:06 AM
4

Anal sex. Deepthroat
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 09:54 PM
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My wife constantly sends me reddit porn links. And in general, there are far more female consumers of porn than people apparently are willing to admit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 08:40 PM
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It's not offensive to a woman worth being with.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 07:47 AM
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Ngl I cannot think of any trait exclusive to men that I appreciate. what are the traits common in the men you admire that are less common among women in your life?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 07:40 PM
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As I look back at the friends that I'm still in contact with that I've made since age 18, almost all of them are women. Some are ex-fwb's, some were only ever platonic friends. The ones who are younger than me, they feel almost like sisters to me (I have 2 sisters and grew up with another female cousin). Obviously there are exceptions, and my friend group is heavily curated. All the same, I find that the women in my life have a great capacity to connect with other people and have a level of empa…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 07:38 PM
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You only need to look good and forget about the rest. If your goal is having fluzies sleep with you? Sure. But there is far more to life than sex, and sex does eventually get boring and old if its just a parade of hoes. To get to those other things, you need a lot more than just looks. Hell, to have an actual relationship with a woman, you need far more than looks. it is impossible to get a relationship It's not. You're struggling because you mistakenly believe that having sex with a woman and a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 05:56 AM
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"Just be a defeated pussy" is not the answer to the conundrum. It is on this sub, apparently
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 05:49 AM
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Or don't, I guess, and keep crying about how your current self continues to fall short of where you want to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 05:48 AM
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Women are the selectors in western society. Yeah, I guess that's why over 90% of private equity is invested in businesses run by men. And why most of congress is male. And why we've never had a female president and only one female VP. All of the halls of economic and political power are dominated by men. Women get one aspect of life where they call the shots and now all of western society is run by women? It's incredibly hard to sympathize with this level of entitlement held by dudes who are dec…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 05:46 AM
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It's so dumb that we talk about the Great Depression like it was a problem. The average guy in the Great Depression had a job! Deflation meant that even though you had a job, your income fell through the floor. And unemployment then and now corresponded to people filing for unemployment insurance. So that 75% also includes people who were doing gig work or who had to hold down multiple jobs to feed their family. Things were rough, even for most who had jobs at that time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 05:42 AM
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Have you considered that its your own projection? That women you feel are in your league are rejecting you, so you think that means they think they are 10s? Because women aren't delusional. Most who think you aren't good enough for them also realize that Gisele Bundchen is a league above them and that Tom Brady types don't even know they exist, they are in such a different league.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 05:39 AM
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watching the field where? In bars? College parties? This is like spending a day people watching at the beach in LA and using what you see as a model for all human interactions. The red pill image of women is very clearly built around a very specific demographic of woman. I don't see many incels in the business owner, real estate developer, government official networks I'm part of for example. And the women there are a wildly different demographic than what you'll find at college parties on campu…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 05:36 AM
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Most of the women I've dated have made the first move. And it sounds like either you've dated women for whom you were a stepping stone to someone better, or your "league" is a lot lower than you realize in terms of the caliber of woman you can actually attract. either way, your view is not representative of how women behave across the board. Nor does it recognize the layers of fuckbois and dusty dudes they have to get through to find men who actually align with their personal values, life direct…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 05:32 AM
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consider who is making the request, and where they likely fall on the involuntary celibate spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 05:29 AM
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all this demonstrates is that you don't understand that not all bell curve distributions are "normal" distributions. Or that the shape of a distribution can change over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 05:28 AM
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the issue is specifically American men. Half of all businesses are created by immigrants or first-gen descendents. Immigrant kids from Asia, Europe, and Africa all significantly outperform their white (and black) American cohorts. The reason we depend on immigration is that (white) American men have been conditioned into believing that simply showing up and following orders entitled them to a wife and a two car garage on a 1/4 acre plot + retirement. In an era where labor markets are global and …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 05:26 AM
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But what if most of those relationships were objectively toxic?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 07:17 PM
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Yeah, all flowers are shitty if you've only ever been given wilted ones. Likewise, all marriage looks bad if your parents modeled a bad one.
/r/MensRights06/10/22 06:50 AM
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there’s pretty much nothing in the EvoPsych literature There's pretty much nothing in evopsych literature that is actual science. No need to treat it as the all encompassing manual for understanding human behavior.
/r/MensRights05/10/22 11:56 PM
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In spite of the lame rhetorical tactic of reductio ad absurdum, your point isn't even clear. You're suggesting that Tom would be the first guy ever whose toxicity undermined his marriage? That otherwise, all men who have had failed marriages behaved unimpeachably and its just "uncontrollable" female illogic/pursuit of "higher value male" that has ruined every other marriage that ended in divorce?
/r/MensRights05/10/22 11:55 PM
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She came into the marriage wealthier than him, and has outearned him every year of the marriage. You guys at some point are going to have to just acknowledge that viewing the world from this sexual marketplace/hypergamy lens is going to just fail to explain the full range of relationship dynamics. Tom could just suck to be around as a person. Just like a beautiful woman may have zero personality and suck to be around.
/r/MensRights05/10/22 08:15 PM
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Look at what sub you're own, and draw your own conclusions about the level of maturity of this audience
/r/MensRights05/10/22 07:36 PM
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The takes in this sub are honestly worse than r/nba sometimes. Mostly because of the navel gazing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 02:51 AM
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Snoop Dogg put out a song called The Vapors which catalogues situations where OP you are objectively wrong. Put another way, if you're broke and get rejected, see how women's attitudes and sexual openness will change if your fortunes and social status significantly improve.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 01:25 AM
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How does men being harmful to men prove that they are more harmful to women? That is not a deductive logical train
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 10:30 PM
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I think a more apt comparison is between arsenic and a gun. As in both kill, one from the inside and one from the outside. It doesn't help these conversations when people lead with extreme hyperbole of the actual physical danger women face on a daily basis. More men die of suicide daily (death from within) than women die of homicide.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 10:29 PM
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You should occupy a lot of each other’s minds. Besides your ego, why? Your preference screams codependency
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 10:26 PM
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If you believe that, then you agree that the idea of harmful beauty standards is just a myth? Same with societal pressure around gender expectations, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 10:25 PM
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MeToo is more or less over at this point
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 12:52 AM
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Its so obvious when someone has never been in actual long term relationships when they throw out garbage takes like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 06:36 PM
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Had sex for the first time today, OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 02:48 AM
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Yeah, but by that point the dude in question has the two kids he wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 08:44 PM
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How do you know what you don't know? So many women I've met just assume certain things always suck and just put up with it long enough to either lose interest in sex or marriage altogether.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 08:43 PM
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You can't disappoint a woman that doesn't know any better
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 04:57 AM
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Rephrased another way: Do all men wish their partner was terrible at sex for the opportunity to not compare unfavorably to other men in the eyes of their gf?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 09:43 PM
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I don't think men are the ones pulling the strings behind modern feminism It was a joke between my friends when I was in schoolboy rugby in France at how easy it was to have sex with "feminist" types by of course having muscles for days but also by literally reading from a script of pretending to like certain political figures and stances.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 12:00 AM
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The same way black people flipped the n word into a term of endearmen 🤦🏿
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 11:58 PM
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The nice guys I speak of are simply average men who can't act like assholes in public. Your definition is not materially different from mine. I'm not 4ft tall, but I am 5'6 which is still short enough to fall into the height pity party within the dating space. Develop other areas and your height becomes less of a problem. The problem you, OP and a lot of red pill dudes have is that you are ultra focused on your shortcomings and obsessed about features you wish you have but don't. Instead of buil…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 02:40 PM
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Yet another sweeping assertion about human psychology, with zero science to back up a single claim. Some of you dudes really need to just touch grass. Spend more time doing that than diving into the evo-psych TRP rabbithole and the odds of reaching your holy grail - female attention - will be way higher
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 04:12 AM
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You are right about one thing. Your version of "nice guy" - which is really mediocre dude with no charisma, leadership ability, or distinguishing traits valuable to a relationship who pretends to be nice with the ulterior motive of sliding his dry dick into his target the moment she is emptionally vulnerable - is not successful with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 02:47 AM
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There is no study that supports this. OP made a claim about female preference, the onus is on him to present actual evidence. And a handful of media characters is neither a study nor evidence as that shit is all fake playacting
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 02:33 AM
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You wouldn't think this way if you actually spent time with men who have more sex IRL than they can actually handle. And your opinions were formed in a literal vacuum of TRP echo chamber. You have zero actual data or research to support your world other than a handful of movie and pop culture personas - which if you aren't aware, most of what you see in the movies or about celebrities isn't the 24/7 reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 02:32 AM
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Bro, you need therapy. Your line of thinking is toxic af The only conclusion any reasonable man can make from this is that at least emulating the characteristics of being evil, murderous and psychopathic is the best way to become sexually attractive and trigger the "I can fix him" instincts. This is the conclusion of men who don't interact with women at all. And who lack any form of emotional intelligence altogether.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 08:12 PM
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A dude who got murdered before age 30 in a shitty rap beef is your frame of reference? Forget women and sex, you need therapy and healing of the raw psychological scars you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 08:05 PM
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Only if you're trying to have sex with loudly left leaning politically active (or just publicly political) women. Literally every other woman (the overwhelming majority) use other criteria. I'm starting to understand how obsessed TRP is specifically with leftist, major city college educated women. The entire worldview about women is centered on how this specific subgroup of women thinks and acts. Its kind of limiting. But I guess you're into red pill in the first place because you don't actually…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 04:05 AM
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Again, I'd like to know exactly what it is that puts them off My dude, you answered your own question in bullet points
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 04:01 AM
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They're all already here on reddit
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 04:00 AM
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but lots of people do that and they are not autistic so idk. Or there's a lot of undiagnosed folks
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:59 AM
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I too would like to understand. Autism isn't something you...recover from
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:58 AM
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And there are plenty of neurodivergent people who have a completely different conception of what "right" even is.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:57 AM
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When a neurotypical person says, "I don't want anymore games" what they actually mean is, "I want games (a playful push and pull courtship), that end in my favor and don't exhaust me." Or they're telling you to quit your drama
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:56 AM
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Dads get dad bods because they start eating like shit and use kids and work as an excuse not to exercise. The number of dudes who look like shit compared to when they first got married but complain about lack of sex is almost worse than the cognitive dissonance OPs study (poorly) tries to prove.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:16 AM
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Who does she actually date? Thats literally all that matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:14 AM
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but not mediocre dudes who pretend to be nice, with motive to smash FTFY
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:12 AM
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So....what is that actual average number?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 04:22 PM
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1) I've never once seen punkish tomboys bullying preppy kids and I don't think thats even an actual stereotype. Most of the punk/goth kids I interacted with used their "subversive" style choice as a way of seizing control because they otherwise felt weak and put upon by conventional societal expectations. Your girlfriend being shy and liking nerds is the assumption most people with any level of interaction with that subculture would actually assume about her. 2) part of reading a person is seein…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 10:45 PM
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Even from those things. People aren't as special or unique as they like to think. Interact with enough people and it gets easier to make an educated guess at what makes a person tick
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 07:00 PM
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If having actual passions and shit to think about in life that don't revolve around obsessing about what women owe me makes me an outlier, that says more about you than it does about me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 06:56 PM
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I promise you that if a woman is attractive enough - personality wise or physically - over 95% of that 3.5 billion would still take her without hesitation. There are a whole lot of dudes in the red pill space who epitomize r/choosingbeggars when it comes to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 06:53 PM
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Nothing wrong with being slutty or enjoying sex as long as you play safely.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 06:50 PM
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More like "avoid men obsessed about policing womens' past sex life"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 06:49 PM
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Nobody who is actually happy with their own life would spend energy worry about how much sex other people have. Your whole post is "hit dog hollering"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 02:45 PM
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You forgot: grow a personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 06:11 AM
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Sure. And that can happen with a sex worker just as often as with a random barfly
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 06:10 AM
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And I looked at my wife with disgust when she talked about finding the male g-spot. Then we actually tried it. Same deal with escorts. They are people too and sometimes you click with them chemistry-wise.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 06:09 AM
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what is something men can do to improve their SMV Spend more time touching grass and less time trying to rationalize their resentment towards women for not giving them sex
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 06:06 AM
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Bro, spending this much time policing other people's sex lives will not help you get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 06:04 AM
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Being boring, uninteresting, not having a lot of things to talk about, not having hobbies, etc This describes 99% of the dudes who blame "women these days" for their involuntary celibacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 06:02 AM
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Your problem is cold approach with a motive. People can smell sexual desperation, which is what you give off when shotgunning cold approaches with the intent of getting a phone number. If I'm bored and in public - esp at airports - I will start conversations with anyone, with no motive other than entertaining myself. I try to start by making some observation about whats going on in that immediate point in time. There is no attempt at trying to get them to commit to giving me anything. Sometimes …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 06:00 AM
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No, its not possible. Because even when people get a reasonably satisfactory outcome, they'll start either wanting more or complaining about how someone else has it better.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 05:55 AM
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I'm here for the entertainment. Also, my wife and I date older Zoomer and younger Millennial women so its interesting to see where single young folks get their dating/sexual philosophies from.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 05:52 AM
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I'm not a chad, am 5'6, a nerd, am a millennial, grew up in a heterogeneous society and dated women of many different ethnicities, somewhat on the spectrum. And yet I am married to a drop dead gorgeous woman. Your problem is that you're stuck in the mindset that any mediocre dude is entitled to sex just for showing up. And it was true for middle class white dudes 50 years ago. But the whole world has stepped up its game while you haven't. Thats on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 05:42 AM
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As a (probably) older guy than you, over time if you are in tune with the things you like in a partner, you can get much better at predicting which women will be receptive to what you're about.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 05:37 AM
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no woman wants to settle down with the guy who would “take what he can get.” And yet plenty of women marry exactly that. For the same reason that the guy did.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 05:35 AM
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And that learning requires you to try and fail many times.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 05:33 AM
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Sexual assault is sadly something that happens incredibly often though...to both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 05:31 AM
0

I met my wife at work, and shot my shot at an office happy hour.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 05:30 AM
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You're crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 05:28 AM
2

It stays fire if you stay active as you age.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 05:28 AM
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just imagine how ppl have debated befor the internet.... Pre internet, laypeople just made shit up. Just like OP is doing. Pre internet, actual scientists and non bullshitters would still refer to actual evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 05:13 PM
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Bro, you wrote a wall of text but expect me to spend even more time fact checking for you? How about giving me even one actual link to published research that supports anything you say? DYOR when making a mountain of claims is a complete cop-out
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 05:12 PM
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All I see is a text wall full of assertions and zero actual data or actual psychology research to support any of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 08:52 AM
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These mens mothers and fathers failure to provide them positive male role models is on me!!?! See, you are so focused on 'speaking your truth' and establish your moral superiority or whatever that you're failing to even address the point being made here. Not every conversation is some sort of battle that you need to flex to show strength. If anything you come across as FDS, which is the female equivalent of TRP. The point is that yeah, these dudes have a role model gap. Calling them misogynists …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 10:36 PM
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And literal nurses also deny black patients pain medication because they believe they are seeking drugs. We have actual data showing that not only are they wrong, but that such narrative results in measurable harm to patients. You didn't answer my question - you are choosing to just uncritically believe people when they say something? Even when there is actual data that shows that they are wrong or that their experience is not representative of the norm?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 10:00 PM
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One throwaway theory is that women with heart disease are more likely to be overweight on average than cancer as cancer comes for anybody.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 06:16 AM
2

Spoken like someone who hasn't ever been in an actual relationship. Supporting the husband during down times is a very common thing I have observed among college educated women capable of earning higher incomes (as that's my network). I have also seen it among married immigrants and working class people in the midwest.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 06:13 AM
0

Bro, $20k more is not as meaningful as you seem to think. Especially after taxes. And I don't know if you have kids, but I would rather work than jave to watch my kids all day. And I think most dads would agree
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 06:11 AM
1

In Bay Area cost is 4x what you've shown here. And nannies are less economical in the midwest since its easier to just have one parent stay at home due to cost of living.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 06:09 AM
5

Ehhhh, I would say to just ignore and dismiss evidence that doesn't support my narrative -you
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 06:05 AM
7

Many medical professionals say that black patients who complain of pain arr drug seeking. To the point that we have repeated studies showing that black patients experience undertreatment of pain. You sure you going to just uncritically believe whatever medical professionals say in this context?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 06:03 AM
6

Nobody else is giving tangible, realistic advice geared towards men to be successful in life and be successful with women. I despise the charlatans who are monetizing TRP, but you absolutely are failing to address this point here. And the more you clutch pearls at the misogyny rather than providing actual alternative models that empirically work, ironically, the more you validate TRP. In otherwords, the best antidote for the poison is providing even better advice and models for young men clearly…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 01:10 AM
1

Some of you dudes reek of so much insecurity I almost feel bad for you
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 07:37 AM
1

Me too
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 06:39 PM
1

the way males go crazy for tits. Feels like r/womenwritingmen
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 01:48 PM
0

But women still have access to soft power during war. And in fact, thats what separates the Judiths (of Holofernes fame) from the basic Bettys.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 05:24 AM
4

they don't go crazy for good dick necessarily You're anonymous on the internet. There's no need to lie about this. Women will absolutely put up with all sorts of bullshit from their man if they love the dick down
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 05:22 AM
0

Oh no, dudes who aren't getting laid think this thing I'm doing that gets me more puss than I can handle is gay. Guess I should stop doing it. -no dude ever
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 05:15 AM
1

The "prodigal daughter" is a very real thing among Christians. Esp in the midwest
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 05:13 AM
1

Lol no. I did once and I look back at that relationship in embarrassment
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 05:10 AM
9

You joke, but I get the feeling most women would be intimidated by an in shape, 20-something most interesting man in the world Adonis. To the point of pre-rejecting him "oh he's probably just a fuckboy"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 05:08 AM
10

Its pretty universal among people under 30, around the world even
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 05:06 AM
0

Just because a high number of people fail to meet a standard, doesn't make the standard high. Change "not fat" to "understands basic stats" and you see what I mean. In reality, what it suggests is that a majority of people in the US are deficient in basic education around nutrition and lack motivation/discipline to do as little as walk 5 miles per day (roughly 10k steps). I would consider all those things low standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 05:05 AM
2

In a non-cynical way, I disagree. A man who has all of these things (throw in white skin) is by far the most sought after among men. I'm a short dude (5'6), but hit all the other notes, and in spite of my admittedly insanely unrealistic standards, I have never had to "settle" in my life and generally have had gfs who initiated. I also see the outcomes of most married men who fall short in all of those areas, and thats typically where divorce rates are the highest.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 05:00 AM
4

I would agree. Women, particularly average women, get shocked when a man actually does have sexual standards that he consistently enforces. And in many ways, it's much more ego destroying to decline a woman coming onto you than it is for a woman to decline a man. Esp when the woman is above average attractive. I happen to have the (mis)fortune of having a very specific sexual taste in women to the point that I only see a small fraction of women in a sexual capacity at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 04:55 AM
1

There are a lot of thin girls in Korea, but not a lot of athletic
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 04:49 AM
1

Right. But that means the marriage part has nothing to do with the sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 10:47 PM
1

Top two reasons are lack of money and kids. I'm happily married and have daily sex (well, as much sex as I can keep up with if I'm honest)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 10:46 PM
8

Spoken like someone who isn't married lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 10:45 PM
5

Yup. The negativity is all just a projection of financial insecurity and negative models of marriage. If you grew up with a functional marriage and healthy model of coupled relationship, its a lot easier to see the upside. Fwiw, divorce rates are heavily correlated with financial stress. So even though rate is high, its not distributed evenly across all income/wealth tiers. Further, the wealthiest households in any given country are almost universally headed by married couples. Which makes sense…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 10:44 PM
2

Government gets involved if you are together for 10+ years. And when you die and assets need to be passed along. And come tax season. And getting a mortgage with someone without a marriage contract is a recipe for legal disaster if you're not putting the property into an LLC.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 10:39 PM
8

Pro - stable household for children with two people who can model adult relationships. Tax benefits Financial safety net in event of divorce for the parent that dedicates substantially more time to child-rearing Simplified asset transfer across generations Listen, I care zero about your decision to marry or not, but to claim that there are zero benefits is either complete lack of imagination or pure bad faith. The vast majority of benefits to marriage are financial, because duh marriage is a fin…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 10:36 PM
0

OP in the other thread doesn't realize how lame he is and seems to expect sexual desire to follow some logically linear path. Must not have much going on in his life to spend this much mental energy on this topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 10:31 PM
1

Less Reagan more Milton Friedman, but broadly thats the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 04:13 AM
0

How many of those kids do you talk to, actually? I have two of them. I talk to them and their friends. Parents and their lived environment are still a way bigger influence than social media on their belief systems.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 09:46 PM
3

They don't. Even here in the Bay Area among Gen Z girls, that attitude is not common in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 09:45 PM
2

The overwhelmingly majority of women say the same tropes like never settle, don't chase men, I'm the prize, I know my worth, and all women practice hypergamy openly and easily. They may say this to themselves and in the safety of online personas. But reality of companionship need and most women not being attractive enough to reach their definition of success with that attitude results in much more moderate behavior IRL. If you actually believe this is how most women express themselves in real li…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 09:43 PM
3

How much does this apply if you were surrounded IRL by women who are disproportionately more attractive than an actual random sample across the whole US? That was my experience, and as a result I have such a strong preference for above average that I'm actually more myself with 9s and 10s than 5s when it comes to flirting and being sexually playful. And I ended up marrying a 9
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 09:40 PM
3

Money was a huge issue? You could easily buy a house and support a family on a single income alone You might want to take an actual look at income demographics in those good old days. You are looking at a specific group of white people and conflating their outcomes across all society
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 05:21 PM
4

Those good old days coincided with interracial marriage being illegal and Jim Crow still existing. You really are just pining for the days when mediocre white dudes with no skills or talent could get away with date rape and get married if they just toed the societal line. But even then, dating was a challenge if you didn't fit societal standard of masculine Edit: Thinking about this more, this is when peak Redlining was in force too. White women were literally forced legally to marry white dudes…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 05:19 PM
5

Hahhahahahhahaha You really have an issue romanticizing cultures you actually know very little about.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 04:31 PM
5

Tldr, the societal challenge is a shitty sense of entitlement to success without effort fed by media of losers getting hot women. Ie Peter Griffin syndrome
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 04:30 PM
1

if you've gone 10+ years without finding a single one then you HONESTLY need to look harder, or in different places. If this is true, that person is also in dire need of honest self-assessment, because there is likely a huge mismatch between their self image and how the world sees them
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 03:20 PM
0

Its not irrelevant. You're just stuck in a bad headspace and feel entitled (robbed by life of) immediate results.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 03:17 PM
0

That assumes that the only option is monogamous pairing for life with the first person you match with. Given polyamory, hypergamy, serial dating, etc, pretty much everyone not bedridden who lives in an economy that allows for social mobility has some kind of option, or can mak changes in their life to improve said options.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 03:16 PM
1

1, 3 and 4 are actually not bad advice. 1 and 4 kind of essential, even
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 03:13 PM
2

Not everybody is built to succeed at it. Humans aren't immune from natural selection
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 03:12 PM
3

It is if you consider how much makeup, photoshop and cosmetic surgery goes into making them gorgeous. Personally, I downgrade people who have had boob jobs or other reconstructive procedures. Some celebs without makeup really are plain janes. And you should also remember that most music/arts celebrities are industry plants or got their break thru nepotism rather than only distribution-breaking looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 04:07 AM
2

Any neighborhood with a high concentration of rich, young white girls who can afford regular cosmetic procedures and styling. Below the neck, Emma is thin, but lacks either fitness model tone or hourglass curves. Without makeup, face is conventionally cute, but lets line her up next to Giselle Bundchen or young Rebecca Romijn to see how much actual 9s outpace her
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 06:22 PM
3

There has been a fair amount of research on features that are universally considered beautiful, and its a very tight window in terms of symmetry and feature shape/ratios. A 10 nails all of them. And would be the equivalent from a population percentage of a person over 7ft tall. A 9 is someone who has most or is just slightly off those perfect ratios, but is still very rare. Obviously, makeup skews all of this a bit. Which is why there is so much dispute about celebrities.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 06:18 PM
2

Great, so now there's an Overton window for attractiveness too?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 06:13 PM
3

Rihanna without makeup is still more beautiful than a lot of women with makeup A big part of that is down to the high obesity rate in America. Rihanna is a perfect example of how high status increases outside perception of attractiveness. Without makeup and photoshop, I would not give her a second look in the street
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 06:08 PM
6

We're not talking divorce rates (which are actually that high because most divorcees have more than one divorce, not because the average marriage has a 50% chance of failure). We are talking the false "divorce rape" narrative spewed by men who are otherwise non participants in their family life.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 12:32 AM
-3

Its only harder because...you don't get off of your computer and talk to people irl. You're employing circular logic. Chatting people up is a skill. You have to practice to get good at it. You won't get good at it if you make every excuse to not do it. It wasn't easier for past generations. They were just not as big of babies about facing rejection - which happens even to gorgeous chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 06:02 PM
3

By any standard, really. A room full of arrested development
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 06:00 PM
-1

Imagine having a job in sales with your pathetic mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 05:59 PM
1

Did you know the best predictor for a good sense of humor is frequency of suicidal thoughts? Did you know anyone can make random shit up on the internet without proof or citation?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 05:58 PM
5

I assume its the same for women. Like, I wouldn't consider dating a woman if I didn't find her physically attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 05:57 PM
-4

Lets ask Michael J Fox about that
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 05:56 PM
4

You must surround yourself with shitty people because I know a lot of never divorced older men with fulfilling lives. Most of the guys who get divorce raped as you call it don't share the fact that their ex by the time of divorce was basically their live-in maid and any judge with half a brain can see the dude didn't contribute shit with the kids. Foh with your lack of self awareness and introspection. Sure, everything wrong in your life is always someone else's fault and you're just a poor vict…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 05:55 PM
-1

You get what you give No, your issue is that you feel entitled to the same outcomes with same level of effort (admittedly none) as men with god tier genetics. And think that just showing up with nothing else to offer the world - no charisma, no intellect, no discipline, no real work done to create value for others - and getting rejected is the world just being unfair.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 05:51 PM
1

Or if you exercise a few times a week and don't eat a caloric surplus.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 06:35 AM
4

Its caused by people being very overweight
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:58 PM
4

Don't confusion correlation with causation. ED is also a signal of cardiovascular disease, which kills 700k per year and counting.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:58 PM
7

Once you've had enough sex with very attractive women, bagging the hottest girl in the room becomes lower priority than finding a super enthusiastic partner who passes a minimim threshold of attractive. Look at Tiger Wood's ex wife vs all the chicks he cheated on her with.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:56 PM
4

Yeah, my wife's reddit porn search history is pretty wild.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:54 PM
-1

That cannot be replaced virtually. It can and is replaced by women earning more than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:53 PM
3

There is not an equivalent behavior that women engage in that is as threatening to men as porn is to women Uh...fucking hotter dudes and leaving them sexless? Medicore women campaign against porn. Mediocre dudes create whole movements and become terrorists on the promise of fucking 77 virgins in heaven.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:52 PM
9

...right. so now you fundamentally agree with OP - that porn is the mediocre male version of the mediocre girl leveling up.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:48 PM
5

ordinary looking women who keep thin In the US, this is literally a contradictory statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:48 PM
4

I'm pregnant There's your biggest reason for the husband's drop in attraction This porn addiction led to online chatting which eventually led into a full blown affair How attractive was the chat partner? 2 of the 4 you presented also have a looks component to them, even if its not the chief complaint
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:46 PM
2

men think their partners can fuck like a porn star and be flexible like a stripper Thats in the same ballpark as the "look like pornstars" Also porn stars are not necessarily better looking lol most of them have surgeries and most of them were considered average women before they became PS. The average american woman is overweight. We're not just talking about face pretty or boobs. We're talking about body. The average porn woman is a standard deviation closer to healthy body weight than the ave…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:43 PM
1

My understanding is that subs like trp are organized exclusively around the frustration that sexually frustrated men have around women's power to reject them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 10:02 PM
3

The assumption is always that the male is the predator. However, my first sexual experience was at 20 with a 42yo very rich divorcee during a study abroad in France. Not only was I less than half her age, I was a non native speaker and broke. Cougar doesn't describe it, she was a wolf.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 09:59 PM
1

Definitely a case of both column a and column b
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 07:40 PM
3

Why use extreme examples like coal mines? Most of the working dads in question work office jobs that require zero physical exertion and cap at 50 hours per national average. Its objectively much less time commitment than stay at home parenting.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 07:34 PM
1

This feels like an example of begging the question
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:30 AM
1

Ignored by institutional capital
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:29 AM
1

None of that precludes capitalism winning out. Right now, the defi world is almost pure capitalism
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:28 AM
1

Companies compete for the loyalty of young, single consumers Nobody focuses marketing on broke people except outright scammers. mothers of young kids are the single highest spending demographic out there and are the most targeted in the B2C marketing space. Dual income households with no kids is a hot runner up.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:27 AM
4

After a long hiatus from Reddit, I came back to find out I was banned from a ton of subs because of posting in certain specific subs. This, I learned is a blanket, bot driven policy that makes no nuance about the kind of post. My guess is that the brigading and the "muh free speech" crowd who insists on saying vile things to strangers went overboard and ruined discourse in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:25 AM
1

If you have many options, its just water off a ducks back. If you have no options, each rejection means a lot more.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:21 AM
5

If his wife does 30 at home SAHM is more of an 80-100hr/week job. You are wildly underestimating how much effort caring for kids under 4 is. You're never "off" except when they are sleeping.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:16 AM
8

Tbf to her, a lot of married women have the exact frustrations she mentioned. Its actually not surprising that women with financial options are more likely to pull the plug on a marriage that isn't working for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:14 AM
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People are too preoccupied with seeing themselves as "good". I liken this to having an addict friend/relative. You really have to let them hit rock bottom - anything else is enabling them. You also have to be realistic about your capacity for emotional labor. And for the self-righteous here piling on OP - how many miserable friends are you acting as daily free therapist for?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:10 AM
5

You're gonna have a hard enough time attracting one healthy woman to date you with your mindset. Poly/open is getting way ahead of yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:04 AM
4

Admittedly not many Bless your heart for not letting the tiny sample size you've actually encountered stop you from making sweeping generalizations...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:02 AM
1

I go online when I don't want to talk to people irl
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:00 AM
1

Premise is wrong. I like thots and women who love sex. As long as disease free I do not care about history.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 10:59 AM
2

That's pretty reaonable. Vast majority of women (and men, tbf) that Inhave worked with - and I've been at three companies with staff over 100k people - do not exercise at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 10:58 AM
4

if you’ve dieted your whole life and your metabolism sucks. There's a 99% chance this is a discipline and underestimating how much you're actually eating if after all your "research" your conclusion is to blame your genetics. Also, my mother is a nutritionist too, PhD even, but has shockingly bad takes when it comes to sports and performance nutrition. She still thinks creatine is toxic, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 10:56 AM
1

Dude its just the insane level of saturated fats that you felt. The hormones are something tbat would only meaningfully affect you if consumed in high volume over long periods.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 10:52 AM
1

dudes loved and preferred big women Ask Charles Barkley about San Antonio
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 10:51 AM
1

Its really not as meaningful or even noticeable to the eye as you're making it out to be
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 10:50 AM
1

So? Ever heard of skinny-fat? You can have a high bodyfat % and be underweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 10:49 AM
1

Right, but when you compare BF of elite males and elite females, theres a 5-7% difference there too. Visually, 7% difference between genders who carry fat in different places and different ways is not noticeable at all with clothes on. A girl with very large breasts may be carrying half that difference on her chest.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 10:48 AM
5

Most of the hot women simply have youth and good genetics. Vanishingly few women actually lift regularly. Even among those who exercise regularly - its usually an aerobic sport and not weights.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 10:45 AM
2

Nor does OP even touch upon items 2 and 3
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 10:43 AM
2

How does this dispute that? The visual difference in average bmi here is not noticeable to the average person. Add clothes, hair, hygiene (since we don't walk around naked in public), where the average dude is seriously deficient in upkeep in all three. This work here is not really that meaningful outside of a public health context.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 10:42 AM
1

Bmi does not adjust for frame size. Its literally just a height and weight ratio. There are other indexes that also consider waist size relative to height and weight, which gives a better picture of frame and where you have your weight distributed
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 10:39 AM
1

Do you not watch NFL?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 10:37 AM
2

I get this a lot as I'm below average. So out of my 750k tinder swipes my 6 matches were all excessively fat women. Dude is very realistic about his options
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 10:36 AM
1

You can be enthusiastic and improvisational without needing practice or making a performance out of it. But perhaps such enthusiasm must be earned.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 10:30 AM
1

True porn addicts generally make terrible sex partners, and very rarely overlap with men who have IRL meaningful high standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 10:28 AM
1

If it's bad, it's physically painful and no orgasms happen. This can be true for men as well
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 10:23 AM
1

Your stepdad beat you too?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/01/22 10:09 AM
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