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The blog post you linked makes no mention whatsoever of the dozen witnesses, the fact that she didn't initially want to press charges, the fact that investigators failed to speak to most of the witnesses.... Among a host of other pertinent details. If you meant the daily wire article then sure. But do excuse me for not reading it because I completely disregard it as a legitimate news source.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/20 05:25 PM
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I sincerely don't know. I do feel somewhat confident saying that she wasn't malicious given the details in the 2 articles of linked to. But it's a different question from if she was raped or not. It looks like the 2 investigations did a bad job of actually.... Investigating weather she was raped or not.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/20 05:20 PM
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Here's another good article about the case. Imo it seems pretty complex but I think it's fair to say that both the police and the title IX investigators did a.... To be mild subpar job at diligently investigating the initial report and the issue of if that report was made maliciously and falsely.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/20 03:31 PM
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That blog cites the daily wire as a source. The daily fucking wire. I just took it upon myself to find a more reasonable source which happens to report on some pertinent details left out of the blog. I didn't read the daily wire article (except for skimming it for other sources) since I consider it to be pretty worthless as a source.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/20 02:49 PM
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As opposed to male sexuality never begin controlled? You're right that there are indeed also controls of male sexuality. But it's different for men and women, and here i was talking speciifcally about those applicable to women. I should also clarify that here i'm referring predominantly to societal expectations levied on those to whom they are applicable (in this case that's women and girls), and the underlying biases and norms that drive those expectations, to which everyone living in such a so…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/12/20 01:00 AM
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well, academic kind of is real life. Not to be pedantic. ​ But even if it's less common than what you describe, it's still true that men are in fact privalidged. Inherently because we don't share the same biology as women, and also because there are social issues which affect them but not us. And the latter does in fact go the other way as well. ​ Imo feel free to call out the dipshits who are being sexist peices of shit. But understand that at the same time, the underlying concept is real and v…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/20 09:18 PM
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Male privilege is really quite simple. Women have unique problems, some related to their biology (things like periods and pregnancy), and others related more to social issues and discrimination (things like strict controls of sexuality, lack of abortion access and rights, wage gap etc). It is privilege to not experience or be subject to this problems. Doesn't mean men always or even on average come out on top. Same thing goes for white privilege. Now gender liberation to me seems to be unique in…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/20 03:38 PM
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Women universally wear flashier clothing than their male counterparts. This is just patently false. I don't know how literally you intended me to interpret your use of universal, but we don't even need to look to other cultures outside the west or other time periods to find men dressing rather flamboyantly, where looking good is clearly as if not more important than function. And on the other hand, lots of women choose not to wear particulalry flashy clothes. Fashoin is definitively not biologic…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/20 01:59 PM
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well i certainly don't think gender norms came out of thin air. They're cultural norms, and like all cultural norms they develop over time. Now for some of these norms, I can see how they have a relationship with biology e.g. men being stronger than women. But not all gender norms have a strong relationship with biology e.g. fashoin like men not wearing dresses. That said, even where gender norms and expectations do have some association with biological differences, the norm aspect is absolutely…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/11/20 10:23 PM
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I mean, this may only be anecdotal but I know women and have seen women online talk about how they dislike the gender norm of women being courted. It puts them on a pedestal and makes them into a commodity to an extent that can be dehumanising. And some frankly just prefer to take the initiative, and resent living in a culture that kind of shuns that behaviour. I really think it's a matter or making people aware of this norm, that it can be broken and that we'd all be better off breaking it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/11/20 10:03 PM
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I mean to me this seems like a set of entrenched gender norms that say men are the ones to initiate and women are the ones to be chased. And this often ends up reinforcing itself in the online dating scene. As a gender abolitionist, I think we could see a day when gender norms like this are eradicated. I don't necessarily think MGTOW is necessary to do that. IMO making people aware of these gender norms, and suggesting that a world without them would be better, and leading by example is a great …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/11/20 09:32 PM
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We can't change how society is setup where men give and women receive attention. What makes you say that???
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/11/20 09:22 PM
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Is there a better source for this than..... Uuuh... The daily mail?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/20 11:44 AM
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You're saying any ideal that exists society-wide is a bad thing so we shouldn't have them. Kind of. To take an example, some people are naturally stoic. Some people aren't, and need to be outwardly vulnurable. Many of these latter people are men. And they are harmed when society expects them to man up, and calls them weak. And in a similar fashoin, they harm themselves when they stubbornly refuse to seek the help they need because they think they're too masculine. We can change societal expectat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/10/20 12:03 PM
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I'm really sorry, but there has to be some kind of dire miscommunication here. Do you think I was trying to say that being strong or taking risks is a *bad* ideal because sometimes it manifests in toxicity? Because that's not at all what I'm saying!!! Forget the ideals of the individual for a second. I'm talking about the expectations society imposes on people. I'm saying we shouldn't *expect* men to be strong or stoic. It should be just as socially acceptable for men to be physically weak or em…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/10/20 11:51 AM
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<TL;DR> I think this misses the point that society imposes gendered expectations on people. And I want to simply lift these expecations so everyone can be free to live their best lives! </TL;DR> ​ For example, society generally expects women to be generally nurturing and emotionally intelligent, and men to be stoic and not to show signs of vulnurability. This is harmful in two major kinds of ways. The first (and less relevent one to this discussion) is that it sets a standard for what it is to b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/10/20 11:35 AM
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As in, the part of the MRM you're criticising here is interested in defending and maintaining a status quo that continues to discriminate against minorities? As opposed to acknowledging the existence of discrimination and therefore being the real racists right?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/20 10:04 AM
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I mean if it helps.... Men are also systemically discriminated against in most if not all the west to varying degrees. Certainly in America they are. Now I do think that's probably the only instance of systemic discrimination going both ways and being pretty comparable both ways. But that's based on...... Evidence.... Maybe affirmative action counts as discrimination against white people but other than that I can't think of anything. And that frankly pales in comparison to the discrimination of …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/20 10:01 AM
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systemic discrimination is that which results from the unfair treatment of a class of people, by institutions or political systems. many people (not necessarily you) think this means systemic discrimination must be written in statute but this is not the case. in many instances, systemic discrimination emerges from interpersonal discrimination and implicity/unconscious biases. e.g. CVs with black names being less likely to get a response from an employer than an identical CV with a white name. Ot…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/10/20 04:46 PM
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but...... women and black people are oppressed........ interpersonally and systemically..... ​ Please look here, here and here for oodles of research about the systemic discrimination of black people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/10/20 02:07 PM
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i really like everything you said. But to respond to a couple specific points: When feminists say oppression/discrimination of men is different because it isn't systemic or because men are in power, I disagree because it's almost always based cherry picking and a very limited idea of power. My current understanding is that while positions of institutional power are generally dominated by white cishet men, men and women are still systemically discriminated against to very comporable degress. Comp…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/10/20 02:06 PM
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So, I don't really know anything about CRT. I've heard people complain about it being racist or something. But I don't really understand why. So I looked it up and read some of the Wikipedia article about CRT and my understanding is essentially that, it examines systems of power, and how they work to maintain the systemic discrimination of POC. I read the criticisms the article quotes and the other comments here, and there are common themes of claiming that CRT doesn't care about objective truth…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/20 12:26 PM
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I'm gonna take a different approach to many other folks here. I don't think the term ally is demeaning at all. It's very much a personal choice about how you want to identify. And I do think that the distinction between someone directly affected by an issue and someone who isn't is a very meaningful one, and one worth making. My general approach is that we should listen to people who probably know what they're talking about. This includes people directly affected by an issue, as well as experts …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/20 08:43 PM
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Well I'm a gender abolitionist. Gender essentially comes down to an arbitrary grouping of people, and the assignment of people depending on this grouping of different expectations to do with things like behaviour, sex drive, parenthood, the role in the family and so on, all on the basis of perceived sex. Like I said, all of this is arbitrary. It's an arbitrary social construct that does demonstrable harm to everyone and that's why we should abolish it. Not simply in a legal sense, but in a broad…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/20 07:17 PM
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While the definition of what is traditional and what isn't can get hairy, if you speak to self identified traditional conservatives, or generally anyone advocating for a return to tradition, very common themes are traditional gender roles including ideas that e.g. men shouldn't cry (or should only do so in limited circumstances), they should be stoic, that they are more boisterous than women (which often excuses violent or inappropriate behaviour of men and boys), that they should wear the trous…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/20 07:01 PM
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Because the bigger issue appears to be poverty rather than skin color alone. I think it's really important to note that skin colour does have an appreciable effect. Everyone in the west including america is subject to implicit bias such as sterotypes about black people being more violent, more criminal, being lazy etc. And that percieved race, and implicit biases of someone's percieved race can and does give rise to meaningful, appreciable, measurable and demonstrable systemic discrimination.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/20 05:35 PM
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I would have pointed that out as well, but I didn't want to get side tracked.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/20 04:46 PM
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I don't know about any of the historical examples you mentioned, and so i'm not gonna talk about them. What I will say is that, given the specific manifesations of systemic discrimination we see black americans being victims of today there are a number of abundantly clear paths to that, to put it mildly hampering their outcomes. It is possible to admit that racism exists (whether it is imbedded in the system is a different matter). I'm curious about this. You seem to imply that you're not sure i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/20 04:41 PM
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I have a few points to make in response here, but I want to start out saying I'm mostly pondering/conjecturing here. 1: Do you know what kind of generational wealth these nigerian immigrants are bringing with them? Generational poverty created and mainntained by american systems is a factor in the negative outcomes of black americans. 2: Isn't there a huge selection bias? Forgetting the criteria used to judge who gets a visa and who doesn't, the sheer costs of a visa, a plane, getting a house an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/20 04:32 PM
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Off the top of my head I couldn't say Do you have a source that black immigrants have better outcomes than black American native born citizens? And how do their outcomes compare to white Americans? Is it the same? Is it between white and black native borns?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/20 01:48 PM
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So we see fucking massive systemic racism, in a plethora of avenues and you don't think it might explain the disproportionately bad outcomes of black people? Are you kidding me?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/20 01:33 PM
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Ok so let me just make this really simple. Do you believe black Americans are systemically discriminated against?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/20 01:22 PM
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First of all, and I know this isn't an argument against anything you said but like...... isn't this a left wing sub??? Why are we now arguing about "personal responsibility" and the existence of systemic racism??? Hell this is god damned men's rights sub! Do you not think men are systemically discriminated against in america either? Ok so with that preamble out of the way, let me scrutinise this suggestion of yours that black americans should take some personal responsibility instead of always b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/20 11:49 AM
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thanks!!! most of that seems kind of okish to me....??? I have a massive problem though with this being included as a "divisive concept" that the order is forbidding from being taught to certain people employed by the government. (2) the United States is fundamentally racist or sexist; the simple fact of the matter is that the US is fundamentally both racist and sexist in a great many ways. systemic racial and gendered (among MANY MANY others) injustices and discrimination run DEEP in america as…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/20 09:38 AM
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Yes you did say that, unless i am somehow misunderstanding. Women, however, WILL pass outright sexist legislation favoring women. See this archive of this thread. To elaborate on my own opinions here, i'm no fan of quotas or that the composition of say a board of directors or the legislature should mirror the demographic makeup of the country. That said, it does seem to me that women's issues are not being advocated for enough in government either in the UK or the US and I think that electing a …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/20 09:08 AM
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Let me re-word. It is facutally wrong, sexist, and unproductive for the advancement of men's rights issues to suggest that female politicians as a class are all actively working against men's rights issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/20 08:19 PM
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I'm really struggling to see how this isn't outright sexist. You seem to be generalising female politicians as being not just feminist but as wishing to actively harm men. I really really hope I don't need to point out how sexist, factually wrong and unproductive this is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/20 08:07 PM
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Hey you made this point much better than I could. Thanks! Haha
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/08/20 08:11 PM
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Isn't that the same thing that red pillers talk about when they say that a woman gives up some part of herself with every new sex partner??? Sounds pretty sketchy to me and the article you posted doesn't suggest it makes mother's the more suitable parent. Imma read a bit more about this though
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/08/20 06:53 PM
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What the fuck are you on?!?!?! Everybody has half of their mothers and half of their fathers DNA in every cell of their body.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/08/20 06:44 PM
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Wait why are kids better off with the mother????? Isn't that one of those stereotypes that we should be trying to break down instead of reinforce?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/08/20 06:40 PM
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I completely agree with everything you said, only except that I don't personally know much about how it has been specifically weaponised for personal gain. I'd go a little further though. If someone close to you confides in you, you probably trust them to be honest. In which case you can absolutely start off believing them if you want. I just get very frustrated when people uses slogans like this but don't mean what they say. Ugh haha
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/20 04:58 PM
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I take issue with the phrase believe women. A plain interpretation imo is that you should in your heart of hearts take the a woman's accusation to be true. I feel this is obviously misguided. Alleged perpetrators should be considered innocent until proven guilty, not just in the legal system but in the public discourse. However often people argue the phrase means that we simply shouldn't dismiss women and give them the time of day while we hear them out and take them seriously. I feel this i# ob…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/20 04:23 PM
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I grew up being raised as a reform jew. Our house has always been about as irreligious you can get while still technically sort of being vaguely religious. I never really believed in god but during my early to mid teens I came to the realisation I was atheist. While I recognise that religion isn't the cause of all the world's evils I do think that everyone would be better off to some extent or another if everyone stopped believing in God. Everything positive you could derive from religion is als…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/01/20 12:21 AM
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Indifferent
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/12/19 12:06 PM
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Well even of there are biological differences, it wouldn't make one sex incapable of being as intelligent as the other. It would just mean the sexes are predisposed to different levels of intelligence. And this is all before we consider the fact that intelligence is often poorly defined and generally multi faceted meaning that biological predispositions to a certain level of intelligence is probably too reductive of a phrase that glossed over the nuance of the issue.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/12/19 11:23 AM
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I mean you have to realise these things are seldom simple with simple answers. To be honest it looks like you already have your answer with regards to testosterone.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/12/19 10:32 AM
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Dude you're asking the wrong person lmao. I will say though that at least according to this article, testosterone does affect cognitive function. But you should do some more research to find a better answer to the question.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/12/19 10:12 AM
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I mean the information within the body of the article seems fine to me. Makes a lot of sense. But the headline is certainly unnecessarily inflammatory and also not strictly relevant to the question the actual article is answering.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/19 10:32 PM
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I just wanna say, I've never heard that phrase before and I love it and I'm gonna start using it!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/19 12:33 PM
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Imma just paste a reply I made somewhere else in this thread. Ok hold the fuck on! 1) how on earth is the mother to blame?!?? 2) I see no evidence from the AITA thread of poor judgment on her part. Cheaters may be very good at hiding their cheating behaviour and this says nothing whatsoever about the judgment of the partner being cheated on. 3) even if this did demonstrate a poor judgment of character on her part, this says nothing about her suitably to be a parent. And suggesting that it is imo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/19 12:35 PM
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Ok hold the fuck on! 1) how on earth is the mother to blame?!?? 2) I see no evidence from the AITA thread of poor judgment on her part. Cheaters may be very good at hiding their cheating behaviour and this says nothing whatsoever about the judgment of the partner being cheated on. 3) even if this did demonstrate a poor judgment of character on her part, this says nothing about her suitably to be a parent. And suggesting that it is imo is really pernicious! 4) I tend to assume by default that som…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/19 12:33 PM
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I have an issue with the last one. I don't think affirmative action is fair in any context. I think any application should be accepted or denied solely on its own merit and with complete blindness to for example the race or the gender of the applicant. There may well be bias against men in education as there is against women and minorities in many other contexts but I don't think the remedy to that is to add more bias to the situation. The 2 biases may not completely cancel each other out and on…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/12/19 07:27 PM
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I wonder if he knows about this subreddit...... And to be fair once again, I wonder if this place is in the minority.....
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/19 07:02 PM
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To be fair to vaush, this dude literally said that all the women who have posted on twitter with #meToo are lying because the trauma of rape would prevent you from pairing about it as well as a bunch of other clear and utter BS. If he isn't MGTOW I don't see a huge difference between that and him. And this was in the first 10 minutes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/19 02:07 PM
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ummm, so i'm really confused how or why you would make a post talking about the hijab in the middle east and talk about how more women are wearing it in the region without making a single mention of the fact that in many of these countries the hijab is mandated by law and that women do and have faced legal reprucussions for choosing not to wear it. given this fact, i don't care about anything else you've mentioned in your post. at least in the context of the oppression of women in these countrie…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 11:34 AM
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i've not talked about this much in person but i have brought it up a couple times to online friend groups. i have one good friend in particular with whom there is a lot of friction about gender politics including mens rights and as a result wedon't discuss it much. there's also an online friend group where i asked peoples' thoughts out of the blue and it was surprisingly super positive. i think perhaps past exchanges with this friend had made me really worried other friends would react the same …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 11:25 AM
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i'm subbed to /r/niceguys and /r/Nicegirls. i thnk both sometimes suffer from forgetting that the person behind the other screen is a human being (as is incredibly easy online) and perhaps overreact or post examples that are boarderline at best but overall i don't see much issue. maybe i'd like to see less use of virgin or incel as an insult but i'm not convinced it's necessarily sexist or particularly toxic. also, this top comment from the post about the cling guy OP linked to is pretty good: Y…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 11:14 AM
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if you take a look at the image, specifically the description of the sub shown you may agree with me it comes off as one dude with a redpill/MGTOW/incel sort of vendetta againt women. oh and there is another subreddit mirroring /r/niceguys. it's called /r/Nicegirls.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 11:05 AM
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In case you've not seen the original jubilee video, it's an incel dude, this guy called kursat who's made a name for himself suing universities under title IX for discriminating against men and some other MRA traditionalist I've never heard of and 3 pretty reasonable feminists. Doesn't really paint the men's advocacy movement in a great lights I made this post. and vaush covers many of the same points made in that thread while saying that the gender roles we're trying to tear down are an artifac…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/19 04:23 PM
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I mean, most of the outwardly feminist people I know are people I know online so I'm not sure if that makes any difference. That said, I'm pretty sure if I asked any of them they would agree with me that it's fucked up. I sincerely don't think they would make excuses or anything like that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/19 01:44 PM
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I know that this narrative isn't all that uncommon but how many feminists have you spoken to about this? I may just be the people with whom I surround myself but I don't think there's anyone I know who thinks this. My main point is surely it's more nuanced that this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/19 11:53 AM
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Well, as has already been sort of alluded to; once you've identified a problem you have to identify the cause before you can find a solution. So if we disagree about the cause of the issue, that does have to be sorted out before we can agree on a solution. Now there is a difference between productively trying to identify the cause of a problem and talking past the other people shouting about what you think it is which may be what you meant.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/19 11:43 PM
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In this particular instance, I don't believe they maliciously found MRAs who badly represent the movement. I'm an avid watcher of jubilee and especially this series and I think they do a great job of sparking dialogue and I really think everything they do is in good faith. I think what's more likely is that voices like you'll find here just aren't loud enough within the movement and so to a certain extent the dudes they had on do sort of represent it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/19 09:39 AM
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I definitely hope that places like this can start to dismantle the notion that men's rights is a monolith full of men just hating women, even if that may make up a significant proportion of those flying the banner.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/12/19 08:36 AM
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Personally, I don't think I have much of a difference at all opinion wise with the women that went on. And I'm pretty sure that the one woman going on about being hurt by men was a response to the notion that women do not have their unique issues or they are even better off than men. And the implication I saw was that her own experience is representative of a lot of other women. Although as one of the guys said, data is generally more valuable than personal experiences. And as for their answer a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/12/19 08:31 AM
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Mhm good points. So is it your opinion that heroin is not much more deadly or dangerous than say alcohol...?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/19 11:21 PM
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I mean I don't really doubt that a lot more deaths are caused by alcohol and tobacco. But the difference is that neither of those are as deadly in the moment as heroin. And even if only a quarter of first time users become addicted, it is my understanding that heroin addiction can be at least if not significantly more destructive as alcohol. That said, I appreciate the new info!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/19 10:46 PM
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I mean sure. But there's obviously a difference between alcohol weed and Tabasco, and strong opioids right.... Like it's exceptionally easy to overdose on fentanyl and many opioids are also very addictive. To the point that they can destroy a person's life.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/19 10:34 PM
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So I absolutely think that personal circumstances should factor in to the decision to charge someone and their sentence upon a conviction. But while these circumstances may affect women more than men, this is no reason at all to make it specific to them. And more broardly, I think that in any context where there are rules being set for people to follow, it's just not possible to to be exhaustive when making those rules and to perfectly include everything that is unacceptable and nothing that is …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/19 11:45 AM
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I definitely think it's one of those archaic archetypes that we could do losing. Especially when you compare to the way we think about fathers/parents in general and their attitude to their son's dating lives. Now I know OP provided some examples of this. But now I think about it, I'm wondering how accurate this stereotype actually is. In my personal experience with my parents it's never been more than a reference for humour. But is this the norm?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/11/19 12:31 AM
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I mean I don't have any problems with the notion that neither meant any malice and while I think it's debatable how much worse off he was even if I went with you there I'd still think that by what he wrote she didn't do anything wrong and that he read into the situation something that wasn't there and overreacted as a result. You're right though, I don't think the fact he was making drinks for everyone changes things. Not significantly anyway.
/r/MensRights16/10/19 09:36 PM
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oh ok. well, i respectfully disagree. at least to the extent that he misunderstood and over reacted.
/r/MensRights16/10/19 09:05 PM
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Her? Called ehr what?
/r/MensRights16/10/19 09:03 PM
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well then i would refer you to all the comments on the AITA post explaining that not only is this a precaution taught to people nowadays by both police and schools, and how this is a very real danger for a lot of people. The thing is, not accepting the drink doesn't imply they think you spiked it. That's one of the things I think the guy was wrong on. It might hurt sure, but at the end of the day that's because you read it into the situation. I think this was a nice comment on the post: Yeeeahh …
/r/MensRights16/10/19 08:27 PM
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Here's a screenshot of the post I went to the way way back machine to read it. For some reason though, after a second or so it loaded another page telling me it didn't have an archive of the page. After showing me an archive of the page ugh. So I loaded up nthe snipping tool to grab a screenshot before the other page loaded. Which I then had to put on google drive and download on my phone because for some reason I couldn't upload it to imgur from my PC. Anyways, the guy doesn't ever mention an a…
/r/MensRights16/10/19 08:12 PM
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I think this comment was pretty reasonable: esh, it shouldnt constantly fall on your friends to pick up the burden of your problems, especially if you are constantly venting and not actively trying to fix any problems (not saying this is you just an example). also, it can be pretty mentally draining. on the other hand your friend could just say that instead of giving you a dismissed attitude like your problems really dont matter From the OP, it does sound like he might be draining on his friends…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/19 05:40 PM
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are there any sources for the rates of female on male violence compared to male on female? i know the video had some numbers, but i always like to be able to fact check this kinda thing. ​ also, lets not forget that domestic violence still happens in same sex relationships as well as in opposite sex ones. male on male and female on female violence is also an issue and while this community may not be the one to adress that specifically, it does need addressing and probably needs tackling differen…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/19 03:12 PM
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Outrage post is a great term for it! And yeah I really agree with everything else you've said.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/19 08:33 AM
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I think the idea is that if the genders were switched, a lot of people who find it acceptable wouldn't. And while that may often be the case, I don't think it's anything that many people who participate in or just read this sub don't already know. And I think that a hyper focus on this sort of post is what has started to make mensRights a more toxic place over time.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/19 07:47 AM
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Yeah I agree. And I actually find it comforting that other people seem to recognise this. Because I want to have a place to discuss men's issues without it devolving into everyone just being really angry and blaming everything on women/feminism like I think mensRights has.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/19 12:21 AM
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I love that even on such an explicitly feminist sub as r/feminism there seemed to be a lot of genuinely intelligent discussion going on about this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/19 03:59 PM
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Thanks my dude! Very helpful.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/19 10:46 PM
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What does that mean exactly?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/19 10:19 PM
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u/batreeq did you post the wrong link? This is an article about trees dying off.........
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/19 12:40 PM
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Do you think that "real punishment" is effective at preventing petty crime, or preventing re-offense? Why/why not? And is this a reason you have for wanting people to face such punishment?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/19 04:46 PM
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So I read the thread from the link, and this person is talking about how a vasectomy has 0 side affects but female BC hormone pills have severe side affects particularly when taken during puberty which can apparently mean life or death; and I just smell a bit of BS coming off of that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/19 08:59 AM
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Wtf is that thread. It's so bloody long!!!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/19 06:50 PM
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Yes you're absolutely right. I should have made that distinction so thank you for correcting me. I know someone who works as an escort/call girl and they have told me a little about how they do things which includes screening clients.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/19 08:06 AM
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Well I personally know a sex worker who has explained to me some of the dangers associated with her line of work. She's very knowledgeable about this kinda thing beyond her own experiences though so I'll see if she can point me in the right direction to find some good data on it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/19 06:00 PM
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Also, nice to know you think sex is dirty and disgusting. PS The 19th century called, they want their anti-sex attitudes back. /u/PrincessofPatriarchy said no such thing. It is demonstrably true that sex work in many countries including the US and the UK is dangerous. It is not uncommon for clients to assault or murder prostitutes and they have to take a lot of personal info from clients to screen out those that have criminal records but even then there's a significant risk of getting hurt. If y…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/19 04:10 PM
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And this is where I think the author is muddying their point by oversimplifying it into a pithy soundbyte. Perhaps they're not and they really are supporting identify politics and I've given them too much charity. That said, someone's policy positions alone aren't necessarily all one might want to consider when deciding to vote or not for a candidate. Honesty, adapting opinions in light of new info, working with other parties, how well they understand you and your loved experiences etc are all t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/19 05:44 PM
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As a side note, I really don't want this subreddit to turn into a pot of unproductive anger. I feel like posting articles with inflammatory headlines so everyone can tut at it is maybe setting this subreddit up on that path.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/19 04:16 PM
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So, I can sympathise with the sentiment of this article. The idea that women in politics better represent women in the population than men. I think that the line "vote for her because she's a woman" is an oversimplification of the articles actual point to the point of being inaccurate. Which makes it puzzling to me why the author would choose such a reductionist headline.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/19 03:48 PM
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Hhmm that's fair. I'm not exactly knee deep in the MRM. So I'll take your point that my understanding of it just isn't accurate itself.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/08/19 10:37 PM
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My main point is that, Natalie's characterisation of those who advocate for men, as simply crying out that they don't like feminism was flat out and categorically wrong. A loud group (I couldn't say exactly how many) of them may fit that bill. But many have intelligent criticisms of feminism and many are even feminists themselves. That's all I was trying to convey.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/08/19 10:27 PM
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I 100% agree with you that she is a demonstrably thoughtful and intelligent person. But I honestly don't know she portrayed the MRM the way she did. I'm also not sure I'd agree that this particular video was more forgiving and any of her others. Of her content that I've watched (which is definitely not all of it) I find myself either strongly agreeing with her or with the impression that she presented a nuanced exploration of the issue when the conclusion is more ambiguous. But here, I just feel…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/08/19 09:46 PM
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I left this comment on the video and I'm just gonna leave it here as well: This video really frustrated me. The MRM is not single monolithic group. There's definitely a lot of men on the internet just doing a backlash to feminism without much thought. But the movement is pretty split. There's a huge range from people who think that feminism has simply reinforced some of the gender roles they purport to tear down, all the way to blaming all their problems on feminism (or in extreme cases such as …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/08/19 07:57 PM
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I think it's different for babysittes. This dad was looking for someone to leave his kid(s) with. To look after them. I think it's reasonable that he would want to know this person on a personal level at least somewhat which imo would include basic personal info. I think it's reasonable that this father would want to make a judgement call on this guys character considering that he wants to leave his kid(s) with them. And I want to reiterate, even if it could somehow be demonstrated without a sha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/08/19 04:33 PM
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Assuming this guy was discriminated against by the father (and imo based in this article, I think such a case is tenuous at best) I think that this is too informal for the courts to get involved. I really don't like the idea that the courts could get involved in such an informal relationship based on my decision to pay someone or not to do a private job for me. It may have been a really shitty thing for this father to do, but I don't think it's the place of the courts to get involved.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/08/19 01:39 PM
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Kill it! Kill it with fire!
/r/MensRights24/06/19 07:33 PM
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Isn't this very thread a funny case in point?
/r/MensRights24/06/19 06:52 PM
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I've had a quick look and couldn't find it. A link would be really really helpful.
/r/MensRights02/06/19 04:36 PM
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This article is listed as a source in the description of the video posted. It says that the shooter had been a victim of emotional and physical abuse at the hand of her victim for a long time. The article unfortunately doesn't list any sources of its own I can fact check this with (it does quote court documents and police statements) but I think it's a good reason not to get riled up by just s headline. https://www.owensborotimes.com/news/2019/04/woman-who-shot-man-given-probation-after-pattern-…
/r/MensRights02/06/19 04:35 PM
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Is there a video source for this? There's s video linked in the article but that doesn't show anyone saying they wouldn't help. I don't really trust the daily mail because they are well known to be very sensationalist.
/r/MensRights02/06/19 03:35 PM
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As for answering the question, re-read the 1st 2 words of the comment. The rest of that is just an addendum.
/r/MensRights02/06/19 03:33 PM
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Holy shit that's terrible!
/r/PussyPassDenied24/05/19 07:43 AM
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Yeah the right wing bias just reeks. So I was taking the entire thing with a pinch of salt anyway. Also check out the ads on the bottom of the page. Lastly I decided to look up the site on media bias fact check. Here's the page. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/life-news/
/r/MensRights30/04/19 10:25 AM
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Well, I'll be looking out for anything interesting on there.
/r/MensRights16/01/19 10:34 AM
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Yeah I've just checked out the subreddit. I'm not sure I align perfectly with the strictly feminist view but having taken a cursory glance it does look much more like the arena for open and civil dialogue that I initially thought r/mensrights was and wanted it to be.
/r/MensRights16/01/19 10:17 AM
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This is only proving my point.
/r/MensRights16/01/19 09:38 AM
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Oh ok then. I see what you mean. Well, I certainly don't feel any shame. I think the bigger thing is this sort of idealistic idea of the change that we can enact if we work at it and letting that motivate people to call out that sort of stuff. I don't agree that shame is a factor in the message, but I think I better understand what you mean now.
/r/MensRights15/01/19 05:58 PM
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Ok, can you explain to me how it's using shame?
/r/MensRights15/01/19 05:50 PM
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(1) I'm not always all that solid in my positions on things. I tend to be a fence sitter a lot. But I don't think that's a bad thing and I have no issue telling you this because it's not relevant. As for various things not being in the ad, I don't believe I ever implied they were. But if I was initially unclear then clarifying myself is hardly a bad thing is it??? Finally, I agree with you that shame is not useful for making society better. I don't feel ashamed because of the ad and I don't thin…
/r/MensRights15/01/19 05:37 PM
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Wow ok then. I wish I was getting those big bucks for posting this. I seriously wouldn't mind a bit of extra cash right now.
/r/MensRights15/01/19 05:25 PM
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Omg this is full on conspiracy theory
/r/MensRights15/01/19 05:20 PM
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And on the off chance they might be wrong you haven't felt the need to spend barley 2 minutes of your time seeing it for yourself? How do you know any of those users have watched it and aren't just repeating something they read another user said? This is how misinformation spreads,
/r/MensRights15/01/19 05:18 PM
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Policing implies you're taking it upon yourself to seek out this sort of stuff. I don't think the ad has that expectation of you and nor do I. It's about not ignoring it and calling it out when you see it. Also, I'd say that this is to be the best person you can be. The ad was targeted at men and men being shitty but I think the message applies to everyone and anyone being shitty,
/r/MensRights15/01/19 05:14 PM
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Well I don't know about what else P&G have said publicly. But this doesn't help with regards to the ad specifically.
/r/MensRights15/01/19 05:11 PM
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It's not about responsibility. It's about if you and I are willing to call out (without necessarily getting super melodramatic) shitty behaviour where we see it, things can change for the better. It's encouraging people to go and call out this behaviour, not saying they have to.
/r/MensRights15/01/19 05:09 PM
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Ok, I'll concede that being aimed at men, everyone isn't accurate. Can I ask though, if you've not even watched it then how on earth do you know what sort of message it's putting across? It's like a minute and a half long.
/r/MensRights15/01/19 05:06 PM
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That if we stand up and stop excusing men being shitty people, we can change things for the better. Sure it does go both ways and it's pretty idealistic but I don't think that takes away from the positivity.
/r/MensRights15/01/19 05:04 PM
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Could you elaborate about how shame specifically is mentioned? My personal take away was just that we as men should be encouraging good behaviour and calling out (but not necessarily shaming) bad behaviour. I don't think it really said all that much about how many men are good or bad. Just encouraging more to be good and to encourage others to do the same.
/r/MensRights15/01/19 05:01 PM
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Can you help me then? Explain how the ad is just feminist propaganda? my take away of the ad was that it had a really positive message about encouraging everyone to be the best they can be instead of demonising all men as being toxic which just isn't helpful.
/r/MensRights15/01/19 04:23 PM
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while i agree that too many people are putting too much blame on men in general, that is a far cry from: We continue to be the only demographic that anyone tries to hold accountable for social problems, and we have the burden of being told we're essentially the root of all social problems. that point aside, can you explain how this ad is playing into that message? the main reason i liked it was because it wasn't playing into that message. as for the name calling, thanks. that just goes to prove …
/r/MensRights15/01/19 04:20 PM
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lmao
/r/MensRights15/01/19 04:15 PM
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i read it. to be honest, it whiffs a little of a conspiracy theory so i'm a tad skeptical. but that aside, it doesn't change the message of the ad. but if the point of pointing me to that post wasn't just to change my opinion about the ad, i may look into it further.
/r/MensRights15/01/19 04:13 PM
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this is the 1st comment in this thread i've found that looks reasonable and balanced. people need to realise that some aspect of masculinity can be harmful to oneself and to others, and that it would be a positive change for everyone if we all worked to overcome this problem. the same is also true of women and femininity. there are definitely harmful behaviors displayed by both men and women that are gender specific. conflating this with the idea that all men either display these behaviors or ar…
/r/MensRights15/01/19 03:21 PM
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Either you're just too jaded and cynical or i'm too young and naive but I dearly trust that eventually we'll get there. even if it isn't in my lifetime.
/r/MensRights21/11/18 11:45 PM
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seeing everything through that groups perspective. Do you mean how everything is a nail when you're a hammer?
/r/MensRights21/11/18 11:42 PM
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and if it were the other way round, many people (probably including myself) would be saying the same thing.
/r/MensRights21/11/18 11:40 PM
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I'm happy that you acknowledge it's a little petty. But perhaps such an acknowledgement in the title might have been a good idea? You know how people complain about feminists getting upset over things that while arguably are problems, are still pretty petty? Think how this looks to other people. To the many people predisposed to believing that men's rights means anti woman or any such variant. Pick your battles.
/r/MensRights21/11/18 11:39 PM
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I've seen similar posters around my university.
/r/MensRights13/10/18 09:16 AM
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I like to think of the phrase "if not me then who" in this sort of situation. I.e. if I'm not going to be the bigger man then why should anyone else? I agree that we should be leading be example and if we do, people will follow. Perhaps not many at 1st but Rome wasn't built in a day. It just takes patience and self discipline.
/r/MensRights13/10/18 09:12 AM
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Well not sure I'd call this a quick mention. But I do take your point.
/r/MensRights08/09/18 04:06 PM
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also: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/asia-argento-jimmy-bennett-sex-victim-payment-719405/ however, the CNN article and this rolling stone one are the only 2 i was able to find about this story with a quick google search of argento's name and her name with "vox", "the guardian" and "the independent" didn't return any articles from this month.
/r/MensRights06/09/18 08:12 AM
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But how on earth do you do that? Like sure, you could have a phone recording saying that both parties consent or a contract or whatever but are people expected to actually do that? And if not, how is anyone meant to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they had consent when the other party is saying they didn't give it?
/r/MensRights02/09/18 07:42 AM
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Just because an allegation is true doesn't mean the case is strong. As far as I'm aware, many cases of rape turn out to lack enough evidence for a conviction, for prosecution or even an arrest. Now I don't have the numbers to back this up but if someone does have the numbers to shed some light on this, that would be great!
/r/MensRights01/09/18 10:01 PM
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I think, that the crime of falsely reporting a crime should carry the same maximum penalty of the crime you falsely reported. That doesn't mean that you should get life in prison necessarily for falsely reporting a murder. But I think that if you're going to unjustly put an innocent person in the position of potentially serving life, you should also face that same potential.
/r/MensRights23/08/18 08:01 PM
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This! People on the other side of the aisle get upset when you say #notAllMen. Let's not stoop to their level and paint all women with the same broard brush.
/r/MensRights23/08/18 07:58 PM
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It's just generally a good rule of thumb to avoid very generalized, absolutist statements wherever possible.
/r/MensRights17/08/18 10:56 PM
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I'm on the fence here. I absolutely am aware that much of social media has this bias. And that op-eds can be very biased as well (owen Jones is a good case in point). But I'm not sure that overall there is an unfair bias favouring women. I am very open to being shown otherwise though.
/r/MensRights16/08/18 10:08 PM
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Notice headline phrases it as a man making a claim That's exactly what it is. He's alleging that she stabbed him and she's denying it. So far (going just off of this article) there's not a lot of reason to swing either way due to a lack of any evidence other than the words of those involved. Also note how this article talks about the weinstein allegations. This isn't unique to allegations against men by women.
/r/MensRights16/08/18 06:44 PM
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Not sure about the teachers but I'm pretty certain that way less than 48% of boys grow up with single mothers.
/r/MensRights16/08/18 06:17 PM
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Not sure this is a r/mensRights issue but wow. That's awful. Can someone explain to me how it's even possible for a partner to go after your future earnings like that? Or just how it's possible for a divorce to just take everything from one partner...
/r/MensRights09/08/18 04:29 PM
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now you say it, i'm actually pretty inclined to give the subject of the photo the benefit of the doubt that it's been photoshopped. wasn't there a doctored photo going around a while ago of one of the parkland survivors tearing up a bit of paper that had been made to look like the constitution...???
/r/MensRights16/07/18 08:28 AM
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I'm trying, really trying to have a calm civil dialogue. If I'm wrong, I want nothing more than to know why I'm wrong. Just being told I'm wrong and an idiot doesn't help me if I'm honest, it's not doing you any favours either. However, if all you can/want to do is call me an idiot and a pussy then so be it. Just tell me so I don't waste anymore of my time trying to prise an actual conversation out of you.
/r/MensRights02/07/18 01:03 PM
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Is that it? No proper reply... No discussion... Just a dismissal of my point and name calling...?
/r/MensRights02/07/18 12:48 PM
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Ok, maybe I should restate my point to be clearer. Using force of any kind to teach a lesson or to get another person to come round to your way of thinking will for the most part, result in a reinforcement of their already held ideas that may have led them to instigate a conflict with you in the 1st place. There is one exception to this, which is if you're trying to use force to scare someone into submission such that they don't instigate a conflict with you again not out of understanding you bu…
/r/MensRights02/07/18 07:45 AM
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Ok maybe I misspoke. I just like the sound of the phrase "beaten out of someone" for some reason, and some other people in this thread (i think) have been using similar language so I just sort of interchanged it. But if you ignore that, can you answer a few questions?: 1- in what situations can the application of force help? 2- how does the application of force actually lead to the desired outcome? 3- what specifically do you mean by force? That last one is important to distinguish what you're t…
/r/MensRights01/07/18 11:25 PM
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I think that the sort of victim complex you think can be beaten out of someone, will only be reinforced if you actually try and use force. It's the same reason why the punch a Nazi tagline works against the cause of anyone that would espouse it. Most of the time, being diplomatic and employing a bit of tact will get you further than the use of force however that force manifests itself. And in cases where that still doesn't get you anywhere, it's exceedingly unlikely that any kind of force will g…
/r/MensRights01/07/18 04:55 PM
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How is mentioning that many victims are to ashamed to come forward in any way blaming them....?
/r/MensRights20/06/18 09:54 AM
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I think the title is incredibly misleading. The article talks about the writers father and her relationship with him. It doesn't "denigrate dads" and it's not misandry.
/r/MensRights17/06/18 09:06 PM
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This! You have my up vote for a display of maturity. I can't think why someone would down vote you.
/r/MensRights17/06/18 08:53 PM
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I don't think anyone is assuming anyone is making anything up. There is in fact a middle ground of fence sitting which should generally be the default. This allows for everyone to more easily apply some healthy skepticism to both sides of the issue and evaluate them critically, as is/should be (if not) done for any other accusation or claim.
/r/MensRights10/05/18 06:14 PM
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