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Agreed! Every woman deserves a top 10% guy. Stay single and visit the local humane society. Cats need homes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 04:36 PM
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Except you leave that point out so as not to make women appear to be just as shallow as males, right? Maybe stop doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 12:50 PM
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That’s it Nope, no that’s not it…lol Dating apps would be radically different if this were true. Guys have to pass a series of filters first. There are plenty of mature, reasonable, responsible, intelligent men with no red flags who get left swiped all day long because of height, facial attractiveness, or physique.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 12:38 PM
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For women, obtaining sex is the easy part. Finding love is the hard part. The chance of finding an attractive man, with all the boxes checked, who also wants to settle down is increasingly getting smaller. These guys have so many options, and I think women end up getting their heart broken enough that they become numb to the need for love and end up supplementing it with pets and close friendships. Anything to avoid settling.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 12:28 PM
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FYI, anecdotal, I have a golf buddy who is exactly what even shallow women say they want, attractive, athletic, rich, social, charismatic. He is only missing one thing: height (he’s around 5’5”.) So dispite having a net worth somewhere north of $25 million, and having outstanding social skills he is completely dateless and has been for a long time. So, I think you have to start with the basics. Height & Looks. That gets the door open for you. Then you can apply outstanding social skills to win h…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 12:07 PM
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So if a man says to you: “Hey I don’t want a relationship but let me buy you an expensive dinner tonight!”, you would, in exchange, get dressed up nice for him and provide conversation and consider the free dinner as payment for your time and effort? Yea, that’s ”Splenda Dating” (a form of Sugar dating). If you add sex to it, then thats prostitution. If you advertise this and the guy reports your account, it will be disabled. Just fyi.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 06:02 PM
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It won’t get to the point of being a cultural norm though. Way before that would happen, most men will have abandoned marriage/relationships altogether. There is ZERO point to a relationship once cheating women are celebrated. If women think the apps are bad now, just wait until 100% of guys want sex only.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 05:42 PM
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Dating sites are closing down accounts of women who use men for free dinners, sugar dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 05:30 PM
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This would be true in 2005. But in 2023, most women are using dating apps to choose who they want to talk to. They use filters to decide who is worthy of attention. Men with high charisma are tossed aside before saying a word if they aren’t tall enough or facially attractive enough to meet her standards. 95% of women will choose the 6’2” booger picker over the 5’5” best selling author because she chooses based on a picture and stats first.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 11:39 PM
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⬆️ Holy shit it has literally become a meme now. Oh I love short men, but iT jUsT sO HapPeNs thAt mY BF Is 6’5” !!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 09:36 PM
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I don’t totally agree that men are more honest here. There are plenty of guys on reddit who paint all women as innocent and morally superior just for the upvotes. The worst is the constant drumbeat from women that a man’s personality overcomes all with regard to attractiveness. Yet somehow the most popular dating app, arguably built for women, is based on accepting or discarding men at face value by their height and pictures.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 11:14 PM
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I actually don’t like gym girls. And I hate the “cross-fit” look. I like a little bit of fat, not much, just a little.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 10:47 PM
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The number of single men won’t change. The dating standards will remain the same for women who have gained weight. They’ll still want the same quality of men. This happens now with women who gain weight in a short period of time. Since women are willing to wait a long time, my guess is that in 2030, there will simply be more women who are single and on the apps longer. And there will be fewer high quality men answering their DMs because of their weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 09:04 PM
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We don’t meet on the ball room dance floor anymore, or in the corner malt shop. We are listed, sorted, filtered then introduced by our dating apps. It doesn’t matter if you even speak the same language as her, if you don’t make it through the dating filters, social skills are pointless. Women (on average) only select a few men out of every 100 to actually talk to in person. And those men are generally the same small group of popular men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 02:15 PM
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There’s no place else to look but apps now.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 02:02 AM
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most.6 least.4
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 12:46 PM
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It depends. I have lied before, and things go along fine, but the truth comes out eventually. Does it make an impact on the relationship? Yes it can. People just need to ask themselves how messy will it get when the truth comes out. I will NOT and have never lied about anything highly important like: health, monogamy, money, age, etc. Those are instant relationship destroyers. I feel like if every guy was at least this honest, OLD would be a far different place. Right now I’m competing against m…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 01:04 AM
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Unfortunately short men have been given an eye of disapproval by an American culture obsessed with professional athletes (tall) and nobody comes to their defense about it. Short women get a pass for being “cute.”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 01:13 PM
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This is the top mistake women are making on the apps today.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 11:56 PM
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Never make a major decision during an emotional moment. Some of my top regrets would have been solved with this advice. Split decisions based on emotion. Not good. edit: Sex in a hot tub is overrated though
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 11:41 PM
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A guy from 50 years ago would be in awe of today. Modern men getting free sex in support of a woman’s freedom from oppression. Brilliant.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 11:29 PM
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Lookmatching is fine. but OP’s overall point though is there aren’t enough of these men in society to meet the demands of all the women who look for them. We aren’t manufacturing top tier men like smartphones. The average woman is not looking for her looksmatch she wants the guys you are dating and that’s not realistic. Dating apps give her that illusion though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 06:37 PM
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Do most women even demand a man like that? Where this issue is most found is on the dating apps. Women get a lot of attention online so she makes her wishlist and goes for gold.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 06:32 PM
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I don’t think women care about a guy’s n-count. Don’t forget, women love it when her man has been rubber-stamped for approval by multiple women. Guys with wedding rings? Sexy. Just the thought of dating some woman who just a year ago was gang banging or deep throating some dude, or just being passed around in college just makes me fold over in disgust. I don’t expect purity, but damn just like a toilet seat in a busy night club you just cringe at sitting on it. I read somewhere that women carry …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 03:23 AM
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I made a fully recovery within 6 weeks and gained all my weight back within 6 months. So yea I’m fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 02:53 AM
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No, its height. Why else would dating sites have this filter front and center!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 05:38 PM
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Dating Apps changed their standards though. But I would agree there is no reversing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 03:11 PM
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Think about how modern women choose men today though. Statistically, dating apps are now the most common way. She is left swipe rejecting millionaires because of his thinning hair, height, lack of a clever bio, doesn’t like yoga, whatever, etc, etc. Unless you hold up your bank statement in a profile picture then a man’s money is quietly meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 02:53 PM
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This hit home so here’s my story: Had a partner of nearly a decade, who never saw me cry before. Then had a medical emergency in 2021 and had to go in the hospital. I was scared out of my mind, and she saw me at my worst moments, laying on the pre-op bed shaking and in misery. After that incident everything changed with us. She became distant and argumentative and within 6 months she was gone. Here’s the positive spin! I actually enjoy living alone now, so it was for the best. And it has forced …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 02:44 PM
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Go on any dating sub and ask women if rich men are more attractive. You’ll get “meh.”. So, having more money doesn’t really do anything anymore. Height, clothes, nice face, and muscle. That’s what gets you laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 02:30 PM
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If we are quickly becoming a society that chooses our mates based on 2-second app swipes, then winning the genetic lottery is more important than ever. If you don’t win the DNA lottery you start accumulating red flags from the moment you enter adulthood. since women are going after a increasingly smaller and smaller % of "winners", these winners now get flooded with options. What are the top complaints women have today? Men are getting lazy with their pursuit of women. They just expect quick sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 02:22 PM
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Literally 8 minutes later in this same thread 🤣🤣 ”I don’t have a problem. I’m married”
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 09:47 PM
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Then your problem is with women who say that physical attractivenes will always be the first barrier to overcome when dating. The message to all unattractive men is what? Be physically attractive, but also maybe you don’t have to be physically attractive? It’s a conflicting message so nobody should be blaming unattractive men for anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 09:24 PM
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Women collectively admitting physically attractiveness is really all that matters in dating would allow unattractive men to give up and stop burning mental energy on trying to be more attractive with personality. Given how much disgust there is for unattractive men, women here sure are interested in spending time talking about them on this sub. Thats what I mean about leaving them alone. Just let them be. Stop the blaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 09:21 PM
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OP conveniently omits that physical attractiveness is a prerequisite to minimizing your rejection rate as a man. These are all attributes which attract people and chances are if you haven’t been able to find someone while others have, you’re the one with the problem. vs These are all attributes which attract people and chances are if you are physically attractive and haven’t been able to find someone while others have, you’re the one with the problem. ​ Do you see the difference in those two sen…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 09:12 PM
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Does it help when people like OP encourage them to improve? No it doesn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 08:22 PM
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Good Face ✅ Good Height ✅ Good Muscle ✅ Good Clothes ✅ Done. Women decide in 5 seconds whether you’ll get the chance to know her. Nothing else matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 08:15 PM
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Bluepill is virtue signaling.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 07:59 PM
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JFC - I call gaslighting on this one. Why is it so hard for women to just collectively admit that physical attraction is what gets your foot in the door? Every. Single. Time. Women literally get insulted if you suggest they consider a man’s character above physical attraction (“Rrreeee- I have a constitutional right to choose the hottest guy!”) but then 5 seconds later will blame men for not improving their approach / communication skiils. I’m not walking around blaming ugly women for their lack…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 07:53 PM
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The generic dating subs are the same way. When I was in a satisfying relationship, the last thing on my mind was the current state of the dating marketplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 06:10 PM
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Obviously an exaggeration, but my point is you can choose a man first for his height or choose a man first for his soul. Dating apps aren’t designed to let you find out what type of person they are before making a choice. You choose from physical attributes that will have nothing to do with happiness later in the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 12:51 AM
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Agreed. But we are being slowly herded like sheep into dating apps. Other options are disappearing fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 12:45 AM
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Would you rather date a 5ft guy that like puppies or a 6ft guy that spits on puppies? That’s the better question. Everything is on a scale, so what are you willing to sacrifice to find the qualities you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 12:42 AM
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Standards have skyrocketed due to the abundance of options. There’s an excellant study on this issue that found that people become more picky and ultimately less happy with their final choice when they choose from an abundance of options. That’s why many companies will artificially limit product choices just to avoid this problem of analysis=paralysis. Women log in to a dating app and find 500 guys waiting for her reply. What do we expect will happen? She‘s going to want the “best” choice from t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 12:33 AM
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This is how I would disagree: To her, there are men who matter and men who don’t. The men who matter to her are the most attractive men. Because those men have 90% of women’s collective attention they will naturaly have inflated self images. That is basic psychology. So in this sense, “all men have inflated self images” because no other men really exist in her mind. Final point: A woman’s looks-match is equal to the most attractive man she has ever slept with (Even if the guy was pump-n-dumping …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 06:10 PM
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Depends on an individual woman’s comfort level. I think most women could post on Tinder and have sex that same day. It may not be a quality guy though, or might be a cheater, etc. There is so much male thirst that most women don’t have to be alone unless they want to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 03:09 AM
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My friend had so much casual sex he had a lost and found box in his apartment from the women who spent the night and left something. There must have been 20 items in there. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 07:08 PM
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If you believe that all women are unique in their own ways and don’t deserve to be siloed into categories, you should consider not placing men in silos either.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 05:39 PM
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So you just need a body guard. That won’t lead to happiness either.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 05:25 PM
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I would have believed this but I have a good friend who is (apparently) a 9+/10. He modeled clothing for a while for a retailer. Waitresses in restaurants slip their number to him, he gets approached at the gym, he tried Tinder once for fun but it was too overwhelming. Don’t even get me started about bar hopping… So many women are desperate to have some eye candy on their arm. To make their friends jealous, or fill their social feeds with his picture. He could have a date anytime he wants. There…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 11:34 PM
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I get your point but I’ve been his friend for probably eight years? He seems fine to me. He isn’t self made, its old money. I mean, he has a job, but its not the primary source of his wealth. What I find curious is, why is it so hard for people to believe that a short man is struggling simply because he is short? The majoirty of women filter out short guys on dating apps. Maybe that’s actually the only reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 06:51 PM
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Age will solve this problem. But beautiful women struggle to adjust to feeling invisible because it shocks their self esteem. Welcome to the multi billion dollar plastic surgery industry. Age 25: “Men are bothering the hell out of me.” Age 40: “Why aren’t men polite to women anymore?”
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 03:14 AM
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The desire for social status indicators drives a huge part of the economy. Houses, cars, jewelry, etc. It’s going to play a role in partnering as well mostly for the shallowest among us. Also, a large boyfriend can protect you, BUT he can also harm you too. Statistics indicate that women suffer way more abuse from men they know, than from strangers they don’t. A woman‘s safety has more to do with her zipcode than how tall her boyfriend/husband is. I would argue that a woman is much safer with a …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 02:52 AM
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Yea, you have a solid point there. I’m not in this guy’s head but it would make sense for him to want someone that fits the country club lifestyle. But I remember he asked me on time if I thought he should ask for a waitress’s number. When I saw her she didn’t look “top tier” to me by any means, but who knows what he wants. All I know is, there’s a rich guy with no love life who seems to have life put together and the only thing wrong with him, that I can see, is his short stature.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 01:55 AM
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Threats for sure, but also social status. The tallest guy in a group tends to command more attention / social status. She wants to be part of that. Men don’t drag home dinner and fight bears anymore but there is still some survival biology there that influences her thinking and creates more value for tall men. Its been my experience that the women most accepting of short men have the fewest issues with self confidence themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 01:37 AM
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Oh, the hottest girls will ABSOLUTELY be able to lock down a hot guy. I’m talking about the other 95% of the female population. At least 80% of these women want what the hottest 5% girls are getting. When Chad says Hi to them, these girls think its their chance to LTR a Chad. But Chad just wants a quickie. Meanwhile there’s average guys trying to talk to these women while their fixated on Chad. This goes on for years and it represents the dating market today.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 01:19 AM
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I agree with you. If you are told repeatedly at a young age that you will never amount to anything in life, your chances of making it out of povierty are very slim. You don’t develop a belief in yourself. These young men get to college and hit a dating wall, maybe after terrible experiences with girls in high school and/or social media They have no dating skills, they‘re convinced nobody will ever love them. They don’t want to stick their neck out and ask a girl out because they know the emotion…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 01:11 AM
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He won’t say. But judging from the gated community he lives in, the cars he drives, the golf trips he goes on, and just casual conversation its in the $10-$25 million range. Not rock star money but its decent. He is 5’5”-5’6” ish. 22 BMI, white, full head of hair, decent conversation skills, dresses nice. The problem is his height. We don’t talk about it but that is the reason. He’s the shortest guy in any group were in.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 12:53 AM
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Applying this to my example, the 30 women are sharing those 10 guys. It doesn’t change the prospects for the other 20 average men. It’s just situationship swapping (dang thats a mouthful) Its logic. Why would any woman whose dating a Chad even come near another man who isn’t at least that Chad level? She wouldn’t. That’s her “dating down” for no reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 11:35 PM
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Oh how I wish I could have a logical discussion on this topic here without the incel counter-offensive language being tossed in my face. I’ve been married twice. I lead a mountain biking group twice a week and play golf. I know plenty of women. ok? Only the dating app companies have access to what women do. Guess what? Stats show women chase the same guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 11:18 PM
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True, and I’m not saying these guys haven’t accepted that rejection is part of life. I’m saying these guys are just convinced that they can’t compete in this dating marketplace. And also…how do you learn what positive social cues look like from women when you‘re rarely exposed to them? You can’t. Learning requires exposure to those cues. If most women want exclusivity then why do they spend their time chasing the same small group of top men? The breakdown in logic is women on average not underst…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 10:45 PM
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These guys have “no game” because women have never shown interest in them. Its a vicious cycle. The vast majoiry of those guys have given up trying early in life. It doesn’t take much rejection at that age to learn you don’t have what it takes in this insane dating market. Hot guys can and will date multiple women at once. All average women have a chance at being an fwb for the top 10% of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 10:23 PM
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Stats show the vast majority of women under 5’3” want a guy 9” taller on average. So a 5’0” still wants a 5’9” guy. The percentage of women below this height is so small it doesn’t even matter. And many of those women want men above 6’3” to balance inherited height genetics for their future offspring because they know life sucks for short men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 10:16 PM
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Uuhhh…no. Its 80% of men are not datable according to women. From a guy’s perspective: if no women are wanting to date you then you might as well devote all your time trying to date 25 year old women with no kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 10:06 PM
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If you are going from 5‘6” to 5’9” I would agree. But if you are a 5’2” man going to 5’5” its not worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 09:58 PM
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Libido is the key word here. If 10 hot guys wanted to have sex with 3 different women a week that is potentially 30 women that aren’t looking elsewhere for dates. Assuming these guys aren’t sharing the 30 women and those women are acting monogamous in hopes of an LTR with the hot guy. The 20 average guys that might have been dating those 20 extra women have no prospects. The reason this is even possible is because hot guys will ”date down” if sex is included. They just never enter into relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 09:55 PM
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I would argue that even if you have something that sets you ahead from the competition, if you have something that sets you back, they balance out. Case in point: I have a friend who is really wealthy, but short. He is dateless. Why? The height offsets his millions in the bank. So dating is on hard mode for him just like every other average guy. If the top 10% guys were happy with just one fuck buddy there wouldn’t be such a problem, but its the desire for some top tiers to have multiple fwb. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 09:28 PM
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Your first paragraph is actually something I’ve not considered. Interesting viewpoint. Personally, I see the two judgements as being measured against masculine/feminine ideals. The judgement of a man’s height as a challenge to his masculenity. The judgement of a woman’s weight as a challenge to her femininity. Modern ideals obviously, thanks to Hollywood, because larger women were at one point in history considered highly desired, and shorter height men were quite common. All related to the avai…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 07:23 PM
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Why is asking a guy for his height so widely accepted by women if they clearly hate being judged by their own body size?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 04:51 AM
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I remember that discussed in another sub but it was more about how women are insulted when their social status was challenged my men. This includes: an attractive guy’s rejection an unattractive man approaching her. Both force her to evaluate her own status in society and the defensive mechanisms kick in and she feels insulted. I guess unattractive men are supposed to know which women are out of their league and should maintain proper distance.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 02:49 AM
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Those features are what I’ve heard women complain about in my experiences. The tinder study is a separate comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 02:34 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Bumble/comments/14i8t8u/is_this_high_like_count_inflated_as_a_marketing/
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 02:17 AM
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There was a study done, I wish I could remember the name, where they asked women to walk thru a crowd and look around at the people. Afterwards they were asked how many men were in the room, and how many women were in the room. The women consistently under-estimated the number of men while at the same time fairly accurate with the number of women. Unconscious bias. You remember what you see as noteworthy or interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 12:07 AM
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A tinder study found that nearly 80% of men were rated below average in looks. (edit) Some below average features I’ve heard about personally: Men below 5’7” in height Narrow shoulders Lack of muscle mass in chest, arms and legs slightly recessed jaws/chins large stomach small eyes receding hairline flawed skin generally having facial features that are not perfectly symmetrical. Welcome to the world of the ugly according to modern dating
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 11:15 PM
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You would have to be a below average looking man to really understand the way women treat them. I’m average but even I see it. It ranges from them treating you as invisible to being downright rude to you about your presence. The end result? Ugliness restricts social interaction. A lack of social interaction builds social anxiety. Social anxiety promotes isolation. Ugly men stay inside where it is safe from judgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 10:21 PM
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It depends on what stage of dating you are referring to. Online dating has made it incredibly easy for women to aggregate male interest. Within minutes an average looking women can have 2000 men waiting for her response. The difficulty comes in her choosing which of those 2000 men to trust. Which of those men have what she is looking for. Men, on the other hand, average looking men, have to play the numbers game. You reach out to 100 women and perhaps 1 or 2 will allow you to pursue. It’s common…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 09:59 PM
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Welp…. I’m currently in the process of being spit out the bottom of the online dating market. In this situation it is easy to assume that love is only for the chosen few. I will gladly rattle off to you why I believe I am not only loveless but dateless tonight, but only those deep in the OLD weeds will understand. Once you cross over into a rewarding partnership with someone special you’ve lost a degree of empathy for those struggling with an empty love life. That is only human nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 09:36 PM
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Im currently in a 53% female / 47% male gender ratio in my American city now and the dating still sucks for men. I think the disparity would have to double to start to improve, maybe 60%/40%. This would give top tier men multiple women without it draining the entire dating pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 10:36 PM
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Many top tier men are dating below their league to obtain more sex. They date multiple women simultaneously and those women think they belong in top tier and can no longer bring themselves to date below it. The result is a lot of lonely people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 10:27 PM
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It’s whether or not to believe that women’s standards can be reduced. Women’s standards have increased during the dating app era. If top tier men suddenly turn monogamous will most women just stay single? I don’t know.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 08:21 PM
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I will read these studies because I find this topic interesting, however a few things come to mind immediately: It relies on the honesty of the participants. Women don’t like to publicly admit the extent of their promiscuity. It is unattractive to men if a woman’s n-count goes beyond a certain level. Women inflate their relationship status with the men they have sex with to avoid feeling like they are just being used for sex. Men do not want to admit that they are sexless unless it is completely…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 06:53 PM
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I’m constantly seeing top tier men humble brag about dating multiple women at once. This dries up the inventory for all other men as these women cling to hope and ignore all other men. The issue behind all this is men’s sex culture. If all men decided tomorrow that monogamy was important, what would happen? Top 10% of men would only date one woman at a time. A large percentage of women would instantly stop receiving attention from these men. These women would then be forced to begin evaluating s…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 06:33 PM
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I would argue that this is the first time in human mating history that machines (apps) have been used in the mating process. Never before in history have women had such a large pool for male selection. Not in recent history has unmarried sex been so casual and socially acceptable. The combination of these two could/will create a disaster for society as women make their strict mating selections and those men continue to have sex without personal restriant.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 05:51 PM
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We should care because it eventually fucks up society. Take this experiment: 500 men / 500 women, Desert island, Hookups are encouraged. Give them all a dating app and tell the women to NOT settle for a sub-par man. (this is basically what is happening in most cities now) What happens? 90% of the women will pursue 10% of the men. Those top 10% men will have sex day and night or until their penises fall off. The other 90% of men get depressed and don’t want to contribute to society. Lots of babie…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 05:32 PM
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She was in post-divorce therapy for a year. She knows I would have never cheated on her and we had many conversations about commitment. It wasn’t a trust issue. She just wanted to keep playing the field.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 08:57 PM
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My former SO: Her ex-husband is over 6’0“ and very attractive. She found out over multiple arguments with him that he had slept with over a dozen women over the course of their marriage. They divorced, she worked on herself, and I met her. Her Ex-husband is way taller and way more attractive than either her or myself. I was more her “looks-match”, but over the course of our relationship I learned she was dating me because I was different than any man she was used to being with. She never wanted …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 08:11 PM
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You should apply for a job in the mental health field 👍🏻 /s
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 08:27 PM
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Tell that to any man who is 5’5” or shorter
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 08:25 PM
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It isn't just as damaging, nor is it nearly as pervasive But men don’t really have a megaphone on this issue. And men don’t defend other men when it comes to negative body comments. When was the last time you heard a man defend another man about derogatory comments directed towards that man’s body size or shape? Now how many times do women defend other women in the same situation? And men’s mental health is not center stage dispite suicide rates being extremely high. There really aren’t as many …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 07:02 PM
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It may be recognized on reddit, but the general American public does not recognize that men can be body shamed. It’s just not a thing yet. Ex: “Look at that pathetic fat woman!”. - Society says: THIS IS NOT OK. ”Look at that pathetic little skinny man.” - Society says: THIS IS HILARIOUS. If society decides that body shaming men is just as damaging and toxic as body shaming women, a lot of the male desire to appear and act masculine will melt away.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 05:54 PM
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The piece you are missing is that Chads develop these great social skills through positive social reinforcement. Women will fully admit two things: Nothing else matters if you aren’t initially attracted to him You can’t really know if a man has a good personality (confident, witty, calm, good with conversation) until she has actually taken the time to talk to him. That won’t happen until that man has passed through her important filters (height, face, build, job) Women want both physical and emo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 02:20 AM
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Something else is going on there. Don’t forget, women branch swing. If an average looking guy has high social status, then women will inject themselves into his social circles and look around for better looking men. I once had a woman (fairly new in town and way out of my league) ask me out. Turns out she wanted to quickly expand her social circle by meeting people I knew. That relationship lasted about two weeks after she met a Chad type. It’s actually a very effective method for women. Use ave…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 02:03 AM
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Ok, here we go. 3,2,1…. A lot of women aren’t spending their 20s locking down her looks-match anymore. They are spending that valuable time trying to over-shoot the marketplace by dating UP expecting a top tier guy to propose marriage. But 95% of the time that doesn’t happen because those guys have more women interested in them then they physically time to date them. These women are spit out the bottom of the “Chad” marketplace after age 30, dejected, cheated on, frustrated by men, and ready to …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 01:23 AM
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Cats don’t care if you go take a day trip. Just leave food and water for them and they’re good. Dogs are much more dependent on humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 08:42 PM
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Exactly. And so many 5’0” women will seek out 6’5” men as she overcompensates for her own physical insecurities.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 06:51 AM
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Women know from experience that men simply don’t have support systems in the community to resolve their insecurities. When women have insecurities, they turn to their support system, but when men suffer from anything psychologically he is basically like a wounded animal. And a wounded animal is either too weak or too dangerous to associate with. RedPill teaches men to “hold frame” for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 06:45 AM
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It’s Complicated. Even though women‘s empowerment has never been more pronounced than today, most women still need a man to be large/dominant over her in order for her to feel feminine and for the relationship be accepted by peers and family. This comes from societal programming (men should be big, women should be small.) But not all women. Some women feel comfortable in their own skin and do not need a man for her to feel feminine, and do not need to abide by societal norms (male taller norms).…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 06:19 AM
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I don’t think top tier men do this their whole lives. Probably 5 years? But it doesn’t take a lot of plate spinning top tier men to wreck the dating marketplace. If 10% of men spin 3 plates each, that is 20% of the male population without dates in a 1/1 gender population. Then add on the women who won’t date less than top tier and are dateless, lets say 10%? Now you have 30% of lower tier men who have no dating opportunities.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 07:50 PM
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Mainstream Polygamy can’t exist with modern day feminism. HOWEVER….What WILL exist (and likely already exists) is casual/informal Poly relations in which top tier men have “soft harems” of women from Dating apps. These women are not “married” nor otherwise committed to a high status man, but “float” among a group of high status men over many years hoping for monogamous commitment. Neither the men, or the women involved are fully aware of what is happening. Same basic problem. Too many women occu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 06:57 PM
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women need to start approaching men But I think this just creates the same mess we have online. Top 20% of men are approached by 80% of women. Those top men don’t have enough time to date all those women, bottom 80% of men are never approached.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 08:01 PM
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Men don’t have group meetings and talk about how we treat women. Men are simple creatures. We keep doing what we are rewarded for doing. If you keep meeting assholes it’s because being an asshole has not prevented him from getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 07:57 PM
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Women have to be open to cold approaches again. That’s not the direction society is going. More women today are offended by men who talk to them in public.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 06:54 PM
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Successful men online know that they are not getting dates because of their personality. They are getting dates because their profile looks really good. Those are different things. Make the date less about sex and more about compatibility and you meet better quality men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 06:52 PM
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It’s up to both genders. Women need to pick men based on the personality “they say they want” instead of using height, face, abs as her go to dating filter. Do that…and the men who get most of the attention, and who treat women poorly won’t get as many dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 06:43 PM
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This is a supply & demand issue. Online dating is increasingly becoming populated with two types of men: The men who get most of the attention and casual sex online. These men naturally devalue women because they have a lot of options. Women are simply easily replaceable. The men who get almost NO attention from women and SPAM thousands of women with very low expectations. Very easy for these men to develop a hatred for women which is hard to undo even if he gets a date. Average men are increasi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 06:38 PM
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No drama No smoking Healthy BMI Independent minded No large Tattoos Childfree Likes to travel and spend money
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 01:17 AM
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You know, if I hadn’t seen the absolute hate for short men with my own eyes on Twitter, with thousands of upvotes from women…I wouldn’t have believed it. Like….literally women saying “short men should just die…”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 01:36 AM
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Women have so much choice… so why aren’t all women happy? The piece of the puzzle you are missing in your lab experiment here is that most of the women are choosing the same man. Women set themselves up to fail. That man uses dating apps like a free brothel and your attitude is: “Stop getting mad at biology.” This is why love commitment will soon become a thing of the past. Good job on being a part of that paradigm shift.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 01:22 AM
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There is a disconnect between what women report as a requirement on surveys and who they actually end up dating. That speed dating survey shows approx. 85% of women not accepting of men who shorter than 5’6”. Yet…dating coaches will say that attributes like “height” fall quickly off of most women’s preferences lists as soon as new qualities emerge with particular men. Women also make better mate choices when not influenced by social pressures and when they have all the information about the men.…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 09:19 PM
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Expecting financial compensation from a man before sleeping with him is called prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 08:00 PM
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Incels didn’t do this research
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 07:45 PM
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perpetuate toxic masculinity If women are strong and independent, they shouldn’t feel the need to be the tiny protected flower in the shadow of their enormous boyfriends. I don’t know why feminists don’t talk about this…at all. Dating men more their height should make women feel more empowered.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:54 PM
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If birthrate drops to 75% and stays there we’ll have one quarter the global population by 2150. Most everyone turning 18 would be saddled with just maintaining basic life sustaining resources (food, water, shelter) plus taking care of an enormous population of elderly people. Its a serious situation. Correct, no charity and no empathy is possible…but a dating market reset would happen if the top 20% of men suddenly no longer had free access to casual sex. I’m not religious, and argue if you must…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:38 AM
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Ok, but look at what is happening. Lets forget about the NBA players and talk about top 20% of men. Most top 20% men have more dating opportunities than they have physically time for. Most of the women lining up for them have been banged by a top 20%er (for release) at some point so they feel they’re his looksmatch. Those women (lets say 70% of all women) make up the majority of the dating pool for the middle tier men 5/10 to 7/10 in looks. Now you have those men scrambling for dates. That’s a h…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:19 AM
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He’s not 9/10 attractive. He’s more like 7/10. So is a 7/10 man unattractive to women now? If so the high standards problem is getting worse…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:09 AM
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Look at how you have already decided what a POS he is… Yet somehow 9/10 men can have all kinds of problems and it doesn’t stop their dating lives….hmmm I wonder why….
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:03 AM
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You would be amazed at what attractive men will bang for sport. That’s what got us into the lopsided dating market in the first place. If an 8/10 man has a dry spell (2 days) he’ll bang a 5/10 woman just for the release.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 04:57 AM
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Society can live without uggos but its not about uggos anymore though. That’s where you miss the point. I have a friend irl who hasn’t had a date in three years. Athletic, retired from finance at age 42. Nothing about him is unattractive. I don’t see how women can be happy fighting over a small subset of extremely attractive men online. Those men never settle down, they just pump and dump leaving women angry with all men in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 04:54 AM
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My point is there is a profoundly serious underlying problem in the dating marketplace that these #4 people highlight daily. And empathy doesn’t fix it. If you solve the underlying problem, the sub dries up. I have a solution, a lot of people agree with it, but its impossible to implement in a society of self indulgent people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 02:53 AM
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Many years later, I regularly see four types of people here: Man #1 who comes here who enjoys the PUA game and is successful in dating multiple women. He will never want a serious LTR because he gets all the sex he physically has time for now. His love is with himself. Man #2 who wants an LTR but hasn’t dated in months (or years) because his dating pool is waiting in line to date Man #1. He is stuck in a downward spiral. Woman #1 who has been routinely dumped by Man #1 and claims all men are pig…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 02:31 AM
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It’s not about her height. I’ve known Filipino women who have moved to America and eventually became height queens. Why? Women consider two things: Will a particular man, give her more status. be acceptable to her peer group. In America, Height = Social Status. So 5’5” male is eliminated by 85% of women due to those two factors. Research Article (Table A3) on Height Once height becomes a marker of social status in the culture, short men are mostly shut out of the dating pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 12:25 AM
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As a male, I keep going to the gym but I’m still the same height. And I don’t skip leg day.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 08:14 PM
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The pandemic now legitimizes the shut-in lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 06:17 PM
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It’s what we get in a lopsided marketplace. When a smaller demographic of attractive men receive most of the attention from women, those men will commoditize relationships because of easy replaceability/availability. The rest of men either get married quickly (when given the chance) or give up dating altogether which further exacerbates the problem. As more women narrow their focus on a fewer demographic of men, we move closer to a “To the victor go the spoils” dating marketplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 06:14 PM
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Once you see some of these models without cosmetics you realize they are just basic looking people underneath. Their beauty becomes nothing more than the artificial face they’ve painted on themselves. And I’ve never liked wide hips.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 03:34 AM
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The reason women’s standards are increasing is that women are getting used to top tier men not committing to one woman. They are learning to adapt to men with multiple female partners. She would rather be “Ms. Tuesday” to the top 5% than be Ms “7-days/week” with one bottom 95% man. There will come a point where “improving yourself” won’t make a damn bit of difference. Even financial wealth means less and less now. And fighting basic genetics is way more difficult than simply learning to be alone…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 03:23 AM
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If a guy has zero options, he will take anything. But a guy already with three women? He’s going to be more picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 02:19 AM
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Honestly I don’t think there are enough attractive women for 80/20 to be real. If every women in the dating pool was above average in looks maybe that would be possible. But so many women are Becky quality. If a top tier guy is balancing dates/hookups with 3 women on any given week why would he want to add a 4th when that 4th is likely to be 6/10 looks or less?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 12:49 AM
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No. If anything, tend to believe the 60/20 rule. That ratio seems more physically achievable and the article hints at this. For men to be dominating 80% or even 90% of the available sexual partners they would have be having sex constantly throughout their free time. People are busy. Guys get bored or are unable to keep spinning plates at that rate. This article was designed to push back against the 80/20 narrative but ends up validating this horribly lopsided marketplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 12:20 AM
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Its 2021 nobody needs a dictionary. I understand what “touchy” means. That’s not how its being used in the ResearchGate article. Touchy is a negative trait when used to describe a personality. The article describes positive extrovert traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 07:18 PM
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it means easily offended. lol, no it doesn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 07:07 PM
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The is not a quick fix for the Introverted man. It’s also ignoring the fundamental reason a man is dateless, which is being physically unattractive. Women subconsciously and visually decide within seconds if a man is worth her time. How he presents his personality is only another hurdle in the mating process. An introverted man (who is also unattractive) who attempts to be “touchy”, “assertive”, or bold, aggressive or even too “talkative”…at this point in modern culture (especially in the US) co…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 06:53 PM
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Projecting and contradicting yourself in two sentences. Good job.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 03:07 PM
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I don’t need to know him. Introverts don’t cosplay with a group of men. Introverts don’t have friendship circles. He lacks exposure. If you want to help him, introduce him to some women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 02:53 PM
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What do animals do when they are injured. They isolate.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 02:42 PM
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Your “roomie” is not an introvert. He’s just shy around females.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 02:39 PM
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I was on Oahu for 5 years, I miss it very much.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 03:54 PM
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👍🏻
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 06:09 AM
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The most sensible reply I’ve had in this whole thread. thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 06:01 AM
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Let me know if you want a guy’s advice. I have worked around professional women (some with PhDs) for over 15 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 05:57 AM
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Hobbies form your personality. But ok. Do you give two shits if an ugly guy is funny?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 10:36 PM
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Well that was true a few years ago. There are now women in their 30s and 40s getting offers. There are even slightly below average women (I would have thought would struggle even with regular dating) who are asking men for more than the typical guy earns in a month for a weekend of enjoyment. Yea, many older men, sure…but also other men who struggle with online dating who are closing their regular OLD accounts and are just paying to date women now.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 10:33 PM
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Answer one question for me, honestly: Pick any set of hobbies you have, maybe it’s golfing and riding horses. Do you honestly give two shits if the last ugly guy who talked to you liked to ride horses or play golf? If the answer is no, you don’t pick men based on personality….at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 10:08 PM
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but…but….she’s attracted to men with cOnFidEnCe! she’s attracted to a man’s “sense of humor”… yea ok. Yes, men do the same shit but…we openly admit it. Big difference. I’d be more impressed if women would just admit it, or actually give every guy a chance then reject the least attractive in the final cut.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 10:02 PM
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Come on…I’m surprised that even YOU aren’t understanding my point. The average woman ignores tons of men based on looks, immediately. Before he can even open the conversation. The guys she has ignored are no longer scrutinized using multiple factors. They are gone. The subset of men in her chosen dating pool was selected based on looks. Understand yet?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 09:25 PM
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women are charging dudes money just to talk to them. And then there’s the “sugaring” trend. Some of these incredibly average looking women are getting their college loans paid off by men who are desperate to not be lonely every day of their lives. Something is wrong when even wealthy guys are getting desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 09:17 PM
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Post Nut Clarity. Horny guys are more likely to leave the house and try to talk to women irl. I’m not saying that it works out for them, but the urge is a strong motivator.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 08:19 PM
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Having sex with random men is dangerous she can easy find a hot male for ons. At least he is hot. Is it a common belief among single women that hot men are not dangerous? Because this would help explain why highly attractive men are still drowning in sexual options.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 08:11 PM
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Most couples meet through interests, employment, or mutual friends. But, see, the venue really doesn‘t matter. Think about a woman’s interactions. the quiet guy in college who smiled at her, but she ignored. the delivery guy for her office who is good friends with her neighbor. the random guy at her dog park who said hello. Maybe they weren’t that good looking, but how do you know they weren’t her soul mate? You don’t…because she didn’t speak to him…because he wasn’t that good looking. That mean…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 07:32 PM
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Yes, but you have pre-selected the men you text based off of superficial parameters. Consider a hypothetical dating website for women: No pictures of the men, No height or weight indicators, No income range The only information offered is relationship goals, a brief paragraph about the man and what is he looking for. Can you tell me..with 100% honesty…that this site would have any women interested in signing up? No? That is because women need more than basic information to begin her selection pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 07:22 PM
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I am NOT arguing that women don’t put rational modern day thought into the candidates they choose, I am arguing that women have already pre-screened all available men based on superficial parameters. I even gave you an example. You may ultimately choose a man based on personaility, but you pre-screened perfectly genuine men based on primal instincts. That ulitmately means you have chosen your mating destiny based on your animal instincts. Also…Fact: Millions of women use Tinder.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 06:43 PM
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That is still tens of millions of women. The company would not exist without women. But what about every other dating site, app, or misc social media platform? Do those women ever talk to a man without first screening his photo album? No, they don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 06:36 PM
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You can’t pick someone without interacting with them. So…why is online dating quickly becoming the most popular way for women to choose their next partner? Women see a picture and a bullshit paragraph and she chooses her candidates from that. And almost every OLD site I’ve ever used states clearly that men increase their chances dramatically if they include a picture in their profile. If your claim is accurate, I wouldn’t need a picture at all and would automatically be granted the priviliage of…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 06:29 PM
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Blue Pill: Women believe they pick men based on their personalities. And they will scream this from the rooftops to defend against the superficiality label. Most women today can’t stomach the idea that they choose men based off of primal instincts but then they go right ahead and sign up for Tinder in droves. Put 25 men in front of her and ask her to choose, and she‘ll maybe talk to 5 of those men. Then she makes her choice and claims she just picked a man based on his personality even though sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 06:02 PM
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How am I wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 05:36 AM
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After seeing what short guys have to go thru to be taller (surgically) I don’t think it’s an option for the sane man. It’s no simple tit job. They break your legs, and stretch them slowly and painfully…for months until you reach a maximum of 1.5” inch increase per leg bone. You will likely never play sports again. Each break and rehabiliation is approx. $100k. And you waste a year of your life on each break, likely on strong pain killers all that time. You have to learn to walk again. If you get…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 04:30 AM
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I’ve seen an increase in female on male violence, especially on social media. I think most men were raised to never hit a woman. That’s good, but this has come with the unintended consequence of giving many women a false sense of security that she won’t face a physical retaliation for hitting a man, especially in public. And if she were to hit a man, and he tries to defend himself, a whole group of random “white knights” will step up to her rescue to become the hero. This certainly happens in ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/21 11:50 PM
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There is another angle, which is the quality of life of the kids. SAHMs get to raise/shape the lives of their kids full time. Be home for them when the school days ends, deal with day-to-day issues. There is value in not having other people raise your own kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 07:29 PM
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I have a friend who did both. She worked for 10 years, then met and married her husband, who is an attorney. She had their 1st baby, then said “to hell with the daily corporate bullshit, I quit”. Now they have 3 kids and she plans to never go back to work. I think most women would take the SAHM option; especially those who have experienced the stress and monotony of daily wage slaving. Having to deal with office politics, sociopathic bosses, or constant feeling of pressure to outperform. I think…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 07:01 PM
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May be shocking, but…my last LTR (of 7 years) had absolutely no idea of my net worth. If I‘m not getting married, the “independent” women in my life should have no need to know about my financial situaton. My net worth is my business. And yes, she respected that and it didn’t affect the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 06:12 AM
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At the very least its a big disappointment for young men who were raised to believe that there is “someone for everyone”. If you just work hard enough you can have your own family someday. So, average Joe works hard, does everything right, then… “Oh…SO Sorry” (says the 5/10 becky with a Tinder portfolio full of better short term options.) You aren’t tall enough, Not facially attractive enough, Didn’t achieve the life guard physique, No wikipedia page describing your public achievements, Your inv…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 09:41 PM
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Not all women: are highly educated, independent with upper (or even middle) income. want to wage slave for 30 years and send their kids to daycare. want to live on the financial edge with stress monthly about paying debt and bills. I see absolutely nothing wrong with a 28 year old woman dating a 40 year old man. If the guy is in great shape and they have compatible personalities, who cares about age? I’d say a large majority of women (especially outside the US) would happily skip the stresses of…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 02:54 AM
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You’re gonna get people defending women for making an effort to improve their appearance, my body my choice, etc. But then ask the same people about men who put lifts in their shoes and they won’t be able to stop laughing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 03:17 AM
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Judgmental high school students become asshole adults. I’ve seen it. Ask anyone who has been to their 15 year class reunion. The assholes never really grow out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 04:30 AM
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Hot women are like exotic cars: You can’t leave them alone in public without them getting stolen. They are high maintenance and temperamental They don’t age well You pay for the relationship much longer than you ever expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 10:54 PM
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Oohhhh….how different this thread would be if Trump was still in office. Biden in charge? “Republicans got us into this mess!!! He’s doing his best” But if Trump was in charge?: “Trump must be impeached for this!”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 11:23 PM
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I know I’m 95% likely gonna get rejected. I saw a study once on approx 500 college women that found 96% of them would not date a man shorter than them. So you are only wrong by 1%.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 05:17 AM
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There would still be a desire to stand out from the crowd. For example: The desire to be 6’7” in a crowd of 6’5” men. The 6’7” guy becomes the favorite among women. How do I know this? Look at the number of women who require 6’0” men or greater now, even when they are 5’3” themselves. They are not thinking about male taller norms, they are wanting a man taller than most other men. Its a symbol of status.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 11:51 PM
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Also, some women just like creating fake drama. Especially if she can play the victim and get free sympathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 01:07 AM
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as she types on a device invented by a man
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 11:29 PM
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Trust is established almost immediately because women lower their creep/fraud detection defense system around other women. That’s why women do great at commission sales. Way too many risks today for a man to attempt this brazen activity.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 11:01 PM
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because beyond money, many of them simply don’t have anything to offer. I love it when cafe feminists sit back in their comfortable chair with the lights and A/C running and type on their wireless device how men have almost nothing to offer when men literally invented everything they need to not only survive but live well. If every man took a week off and just sat around, society would collapse quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 10:29 PM
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Wow…Its very cruel to led someone along like that. Anyone who, for entertainment, holds out a carrot for the opposite sex to chase (orbiter mining) has deep emotional problems and should talk to a therapist.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 01:48 AM
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Dating sites are very popular now. Social life is optional.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 01:24 AM
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https://www.statista.com/statistics/975925/us-tinder-user-ratio-gender/ Approx 1.5 million women if my math is correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 01:22 AM
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This is a big mistake. Why? I’ll try not to rant too hard… We need a clear delineation between casual sex and relationship sites. I don’t care how hard Tinder tries to be a non-casual app it‘s going to be stuck (in my opinion) with that stigma. They should have renamed the app. Now you have a site full of both types of men (TRP and Betas) and you can’t tell the difference until you’ve made some effort. Any by the way…what kind of woman picks a relationship based on a quick swipe???
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 10:50 PM
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I don’t think Tinder should be transitioned into anything more than a hookup app. People need a place to go for no strings attached sexual release. Women who go on Tinder need to have the expectation she is going to be used for sex, or she will use men for sex, either way. If women want to build a relationship, join eHarmony.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 06:28 PM
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📡 📡 📡 BREAKING NEWS: Attractive men can/do use Hookup Apps like a free brothel.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 06:16 PM
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Depends on stage of life, but men inherently want to spread their seed. Top tier men, can (and do) have multiple sexual partners simultaneously; often times without the women knowing about the poly relations. Sometimes women know, but find the relationship with “chad” too socially valuable to care. It isn’t until he is ready for a stable relationship that monogamy make sense to him. Maybe later in life when family becomes a priority. Most other men are generally not capable of poly relations wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 04:54 AM
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Redpill is brutal in this way. A man now sees what he couldn’t see before in the women around him.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 07:12 PM
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Why is everyone so focused on alpha and high value? Socially acceptable non-monogamy has created an environment where high value alpha man are keeping multiple girlfriends simultaneously, whether the women know it or not (plate spinning.) This creates a shortage of available women in the dating marketplace causing non-high value men to either become disenfranchised with dating or to learn TRP (can’t beat em, find a way to join em.) ​ I see a lot of people both men and women over estimating thems…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 07:02 PM
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Short guy - get money. I live in the US and this is just….lol. No, money doesn’t fix this especially if he is white. I wrote a thread about it. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/ooidxu/women_want_to_join_a_saved_game/h5ypcfa?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 08:31 PM
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“Flawed” genetics is a problem shared equally with men and women. The difference is what enhancements are available to offset the flaws. Women have cosmetics, men do not. Both men and women have access to weight loss programs. Short men and tall women have few reasonable options.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 08:20 PM
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I’m saying feminism won the culture war. We have no gender roles anymore. Be an emergency contact, that’s about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 07:59 PM
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Anything else is deemed sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 07:47 PM
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What are we debating? Seems more like a rant meant for the inceltears sub to feast on.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 03:25 AM
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I’m glad you wrote “people” because some of the cruelest things I’ve ever heard said about another person came from unhappy women. It is no coincidence that female eating disorders are often caused by the ridicule and peer pressure from other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 03:23 AM
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Top tier men Top tier women Average women Average men Below average women Below average men are invisible and thus not ranked.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 03:42 AM
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With social media ”Hive Mind“ taking its toll on independent thinking its going to become exceedingly rare for people to have a unique set of preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 07:19 PM
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👆🏻 But I’d be comfortable saying 100% of women want a man taller. Its that 1% of women are willing to compromise when everything else exceeds her standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 07:16 PM
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You‘re not getting my point. You are too focused on trying to find/fix my problems when this isn’t a fixme sub. It’s not about me, or my social skills. It’s about the consequences of #BelieveAllWomen beyond all the good it does. It has, and will continue to, change how we interact socially. ​ Most people I know definitely still have no problem dating/meeting people in real life I’m not taking this at face value. It seems fishy if I’m being honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 09:43 PM
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hey, I think you’re cute. I was wondering if I could have your number? Its possible we don’t live in the same country/culture, but I’ll share a post that happened recently on FB in my city (southwest region, USA). She was in a grocery store and some guy approached her near the deli area. Appearently the guy wanted her opinion on fish/wine combo. She answered the question, but the guy kept having conversation with her. She eventually excused herself on, but later saw the guy again in another isle…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 09:10 PM
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This isn’t about the basement incel. ​ socially calibrated appropriate venues Take a look how they’ve shaped you. Be careful not to upset the delicate creature. 🙄 The reality is each woman has her own idea of what is appropriate, but feminism is setting the community standard by which men (who care about their standing in such community) should socially operate. The end result is that women are meeting irl the men who don’t give a shit about being appropriate. While men who do care go about livi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 08:34 PM
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Short women who dislike short men should never have kids. Nobody should ever create what they hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 08:14 PM
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Feminists are helping to make online dating the only option for meeting people. The irony is that OLD is turning us into the people that feminists hate. We’re slowly becoming products in an online dating warehouse instead of people we meet spontaneously.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 07:21 PM
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Welp, Actually I believe there will be two types of relationships in the coming years: Traditional AF/Sugar Traditional - women not westernized into the greed, #AllAboutMe, selfie culture who carry on as many generations before her devoted to love, marriage and family; raising the next generation. AF/Sugar - women never satisfied with a man and will chase top tier until she can’t, but simultaneously will maintain loose relationships thru the Sugaring lifestyle. She receives bucks from beta men, …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 01:36 AM
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Young women like a project. She sees an attractive felon and thinks “what could be“, instead of “what is.” Sure, he has beaten up women before, but she believes she can change him. Women eventually learn and mature, but not before creating a lot of problems for herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 01:15 AM
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Meh…if this were 100% true, Incels wouldn’t exist. Those guys could just attend rallies with pink hats and Nancy Polosi T-shirts and get dates within hours. Leftist women have a small dating pool, yet college aged leftist virgins are still growing in numbers. It doesn’t add up because biological women, regardless of political beliefs, get tingles for attractive men and it overrides the reasoning part of their brain. Whatever pushover soy noodle she is dating will become old news if she ever find…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 01:05 AM
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Attractive men who fly Trump flags have ZERO problems finding women to date. College aged male virgins who have fully committed themselves to the Progressive leftist ideology get friend-zoned. So, watch what women do, not what they say. Changing “political teams” does not really improve your dating life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 12:04 AM
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Women that want to be provided for but men choose not to. The generation and socioeconomic class means everything. Older generations and women without college degrees identify with the male provider mindset you highlight.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 06:39 PM
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I’ve talked to women who get 30-40 thirsty messages a day from guys on dating sites. The common complaint is its too much work to vet thru all the men. Comes down to it just becoming “low effort” for those who receive the most interest from the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 07:51 PM
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reading thru the comments…wow It’s a truly sad state of society when men consider friendliness from a woman to be a unique moment in their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 05:37 PM
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No he doesn’t have any RP tactics or psychological tricks up his sleeve to get dates that I’ve seen. Very laid back dude, good sense of humor, talkative, relatable, not pushy. Just a normal average guy but has a ton of money trying to find average women to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 06:44 AM
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Quite a few older married/divorced women write in this sub answering with their maturity and with their long list of life lessons behind them. That’s not what young guys are facing today. They are facing the 21 year old version of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 06:28 AM
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At least in the social circle we’re in, I’d say 75% of the guys are 5’10” or more. We live in an upper/middle class, mostly white suburb (he lives in a gated community now.). The women we end up meeting (educated/upper middle class women), even at local meetups, ignore him completely. So he relies on dating apps. He gets matches that are like single moms deep in the city and they have nothing in common with him at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 05:43 AM
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Interesting. I’ll let him know. Any place has got to be better than the U.S. right now with its obsession with 6‘+ men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 05:29 AM
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Yea I think he’s ready to leave. Probably southern Italy if he can get the Visa. Fewer tall men but he’s heard women are less picky about height.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 05:10 AM
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He’s 5’7” ( though he likes to say he’s 5’8”.)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 05:07 AM
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I used to believe this until my friend entered the dating market after a 10 year pause (to build his career) only to discover how badly his height is holding him back in this current dating market. He is getting ready to retire early because he is now ridiculously wealthy for his age. Some priorities like height come before wealth to most modern women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 04:18 AM
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generally as long as you’re a bit taller than them with or without high heels?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 03:37 AM
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Curious though: Do you think the average woman who got to know a man online, and really, really liked him, would turn around and dump him in person for not being the height she thought he was? Like, maybe if he was 2” shorter and they just never talked about height…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 02:07 AM
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Dude I’m being sarcastic.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 01:54 AM
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An average woman…can attach herself to a hotter women and get into situations she would not be in ordinarily. 100% agree. I had a super hot friend in college (I’m average looking). I got into parties and met women I would have never met on my own. We would approach tables of beautiful women I would have never approached by myself. My friend was like a bus pass to another world. The difference is however, as an average looking guy it never helped my personal dating life. All the women were 100% f…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 01:47 AM
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A very simple explanation that women aren’t understanding. Women are choosing men who have a lot of options. When an HVM has many options, he’s going take advantage of those options. He’s not going to tie himself down when he has dozens of beautiful women trying to date him. I see it in my own life with guys I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 01:12 AM
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If a 9/10 attractive guy who is 6’ tall has 3 kids, he WILL find dates all day long. If a 6/10 attractive guy who is 5’8” has no kids, he will struggle with dating. Unfortunately, the #1 rule of dating is “be attractive” regardless of a man’s personal circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 11:17 PM
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Not sure why a woman would want that responsibility when the world is full of single guys with no kids. Unless he’s very attractive, then that changes the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 10:51 PM
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Yea, imagine getting to know a funny, caring, decent guy then you find out he’s 10mm shorter than advertised. I imagine that would be a soul crushing experience for women to accidentally get excited about someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 10:25 PM
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Well, women wear heals in clubs so that becomes a challenge. Some Maths: Average Female height 5’4” + 4” heels + 1” difference = 5’9”. With Avg. male height at around 5’9” its a problem for approx. 50% of men. You also have the issue of women who compare men’s height to other men, not their own height. In which case she is searching for social status, not to feel more feminine. This is part of why clubs are mostly full of tall men, at least in my city.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 10:19 PM
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Male, over 30. I would find it very difficult to date more than one woman at a time. It would feel like cheating, especially after anything intimate. I’d rather focus on one person at a time. As a male, I think you would have to resist any bit of emotional involvment in women in order to “spin plates.” Almost like a video game, just doing it for the high score. Plenty of guys do it today, and I can see how its possible, but not my idea of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 07:28 PM
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As a man, I highly respect women who value their bodies and stay true to the morals. I think there are plenty of religious men out there waiting to meet someone like you. Believe me, you will avoid a lot of losers and wasted time by staying a virgin until marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 03:49 PM
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There are very few women (on dating apps) complaining that they aren’t happy with their sex lives. Correct? This means that attractive men are fulfilling the sexual needs of women on these apps. What women don’t want to recognize is that they are sharing those men. It is temporary for them. Yes, I think many women want to lock down an attractive man without sex, but when it doesn’t work she simply moves on to another attractive man only to meet the same fate. It’s a cycle that can only be solved…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 09:07 AM
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I tend to look at topics here not from the standpoint of how it affects my personal dating life but how it affects society at large. I think most men feel this way here whether they express it or not. Most men know women are entitled to do what they want and its really becoming a tired old argument to make here. BUT, to respond to your points: Most people agree on what is attractive in the opposite sex. Entire industries (advertising, beauty, clothing) would be in disarray if we didn’t. Most peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 08:38 AM
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People define N counts differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 03:45 AM
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Its ok to admit that you have a high opinion of yourself and feel you deserve an equally educated man. Nobody will bat an eye.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 12:27 AM
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Are you joking? Just looking at height alone, surveys show that barely 50% of American women are willing to stomach even dating a man thats only 5’9”.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 10:44 PM
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Meeting women IRL is going to become increasingly unacceptable in the coming years. It makes women too uncomfortable, IRL rejection is too cringe to stomach.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 09:15 PM
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Absolutely correct. I think the standard advice of “Just work on your personality” would disappear quickly if women spent just one week on OLD as an average or short man.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 09:10 PM
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Women are trying to be respectful of the fat acceptance movement. They don’t want to body shame a woman of any size because its now socially unacceptable. But… Bring a short guy into the conversation and she‘ll ridicule the shit out of his height to the delight of all her friends. Bottom line: Its a gender issue, not a body acceptance issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 02:39 AM
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Bottom line: The decade long war against the patriarchy is taking a toll on just being male. The women who care the most about men succeeding today are mothers of sons.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/21 06:35 AM
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Tall, Dark and Handsome This standard has been around forever. Though 20+ years ago women would settle for less in order to have a man with a good job, or a decent personality, but a lot has changed. As you mention, women have their own careers now, but something else has changed: Social media is now at the center of women’s lives. Beauty is the social capital women use to increase their status in society, and social media is the delivery system. Women will take a hundred photos of herself, spen…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 12:16 AM
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Reddit comment about my wealthy friend from a few days ago. Good men exist and are ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 11:22 PM
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Perhaps a new 6 ? 6 feet, 6 figures, 6 pack, and now…. 6 years of college.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 11:08 PM
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If a women couldnt see you with her on her Instagram she ain't dating you. This is more important than most people realize. She’s trying to maintain or improve her image online. The man has to make her girlfriends jealous or at a minimum be a looksmatch.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 11:05 PM
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An entire political party is in power because of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 09:54 PM
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Wrong sub. This sub isn’t IncelTears or datingoverthirty or datingadvice. This sub is designed to debate/discuss the viewpoints of two ideologies of the current dating market. Most of what you read here should be taken abstractly not as a trigger to initiate a parental pep-talk. Too much of reddit are women telling men to leave their basements. We need a space free of pep-talks to discuss broadly the effects of current trends in sexual selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 09:51 PM
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It’s not really about a man’s effort anymore, is it? After a long LTR, in my early days of OLD I would take time to write a proper hello to women with mutuel interests on dating sites, respectfully asking something about them or those interests only to be met with silence. High income, well educated, no life complications, and still ignored. Men learn quickly not to put in effort because it really comes down to your SMV. If you are really attractive, you get an immediate response to anything you…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 09:22 PM
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If you are that autistic to not recognize sarcasm you should shut your computer off.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 01:36 AM
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“Your Honor, my client would like to enter a plea of not guilty on the basis that he felt she was just playing hard to get because it was so early in the relationship.”
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 01:32 AM
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'if you can't handle me at my worst, you don't deserve me at my best'.. Translation: I have uncontrollable mood swings, get over it. For one I’m glad women provide a warning label like this so the smart men don’t have to waste time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 09:30 PM
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So strange reading this. Just surreal to me. The only place I’ve ever heard/seen a woman comment that she would date a man near her height is reddit. I think maybe it’s the anonymity of this platform, no pressure to conform to social norms, or maybe its just my particular city. My friend isn’t on reddit but I should sign him up because I think he could use a little positive affirmation about his chances in today’s dating world, even if its mostly people being hyperbolic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 08:37 AM
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Maybe to avoid their look of disappointment on the first date? Not sure, probably just to avoid women who are going to get upset about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 07:46 AM
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Good point. We are on the edge of a generation that defined men by their jobs. Hard to de-program that mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 06:40 AM
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Yes, but I think that has more to do with physical dominance learned thru observation. Female primates more likely to eat well and feel secure with the most dominate male. Very useful for humans too when we physically fought each other for resources, but now we go to Walmart and rely on law enforcement. My friend should be considered a dominate male because of wealth (more access to resources, security, etc) but he is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 06:35 AM
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It could be that our genetics direct us to mate with a person who is healthy, but culture follows up to help define what that actually means. Tallness indicates health, large boobs indicate health, etc. There was a time in human history when overweight women were a “good catch” for a man because she could withstand short periods of famine during even childbirth. Now fat women are not generally favored by men. Probably not an evolution of our genetic code but rather a cultural shift labelling fat…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 06:04 AM
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Nature vs nurture is debatable. Hard to imagine genetic predisposition for a partner meeting physical attributes that we do not compehend until we have senses to examine it. For example, a blind women from birth who feels she needs a tall man. Ask her to describe what that means in relation to herself, can she do that without referencing information she learned from others? I don’t think so. I tend to believe that cultural programming is so strong it can feel innate.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 05:35 AM
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He understands his motives way better than I do but giving up your successful career, even as a fairly wealthy person, to go home to a giant empty house, unsure where your personal fulfillment will come from next? At this point he takes the time he needs from work to do what he wants anyway so I understand his reluctance. I personally don’t think more free time will solve his dating problems. He is going to need to either move overseas or hire a professional firm for millionares to find women wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 05:18 AM
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It’s more likely you have been culturally preconditioned by your family and peers to find a man who will give you physical security and the genetics to have taller offspring. At 5’1” I think its a good investment for your future kids, especially males.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 04:48 AM
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Not sure. He doesn’t talk about it but I know he passed $1m in his early thirties, so it wouldn’t surprise if his net worth was north of $10 million at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 04:22 AM
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I’m curious if demographics play a part at all. I think it plays a huge role. He’s briefly talked about finding a summer house in southern Italy after retirement, and knows men are short there. And I don’t hear Latin American women complain about sub 5’8” men at all either. I think many tall women (like your friends) are a bit more open minded. More experience being around men shorter than them so its less of an affect on their self image when dating. My guess is that they had to work on that ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 03:40 AM
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Over drinks one night we changed his online profile height to 5’10” and he had 14 matches the following morning, increased from just 2 for the whole month. I really regret doing that because I know it hurt him to see that, but…we were just stupidly wondering what would happen, and we got our answer. Obviously he removed the taller height claim quickly before he had to admit to a mob of women he was just faking being taller. When he is not around I’ve heard the comments in our social group from w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 03:08 AM
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Isn’t it interesting though that if a 5’7” man said he needed to date a woman at least 5’4” or shorter in order to maintain his masculinity most people would laugh and think he has insecurity issues likely requiring therapy intervention.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 02:51 AM
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I agree on your point about depression. Hard to attract the opposite sex when suicide is part of someone’s daily thought pattern. But I don’t believe you have male friends under 5’3” who are dating unless they are Filipino and dating in SEA.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 02:36 AM
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5’7”. Before you say that 5’7” shouldn’t be a problem, we live in a mostly white US city with a lot of northern European ancestral genetics. Almost all men are over 5’10” here. I don’t think he is quite ready to leave his home town to find a city somewhere in the world more accepting of shorter men, but he just might be in a few years.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 02:19 AM
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I think people are going to push back on the height issue. For some reason women can’t admit its a problem for them. I’ve seen it. Height has definitely affected a good friend of mine who has been single for a long time. He otherwise has everything to offer a single woman, but his height really has kept the door to romantic opportunity closed to him in social groups and especially online. The guy is very kind and genuine, and he is in his last year of a career in finance, retiring in his early 4…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 12:55 AM
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California doesn’t build enough showers.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 08:59 PM
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Seeing a lot of women around here get very defensive about being called hypergamous My goodness, the comments from women in this post are proving your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 04:17 AM
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Should be a wake up call. The men who are most successful with casual sex on dating apps have learned to treat those sites like free brothels.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 01:38 AM
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There was a time when the vast majority of women treated sex as something you saved for a man who you loved, and knew loved you back. Far fewer men believed in this, so women became the gatekeepers of sex. Now, women are still the gatekeepers, but they no longer enforce the need for mutual love before sex, so they suffer the downside of loveless sex which leads to emotional detachment. My point is you are blaming men for a failed moral system when its actually everyone’s fault. Attractive men ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 11:33 PM
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This. This is what the CC does to women, unfortunately. After being used, the ability to pair bond just falls apart. Very common among sex workers in particular. It’s why I support FDS’s 90-day rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 11:01 PM
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You are confusing me with someone young and inexperienced. Offering million-to-one meet-cute situations that will fail these young men only leads to personal embarrassment for them and uncomfortable situations for these women who ultimately just want to be left alone in these events. Jesus, you are gonna ruin brunch! 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 10:40 PM
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women don't want to be approached at wine bars or happy hours I agree, but there is one exception… the top tier man. Having an extremely attractive male friend really opened my eyes into how differently women treat men based on looks. My friend could flirt with a woman under any situation, nothing was inappropriate, he was never told to GTFO, ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 10:32 PM
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Lol I’m trying to imagine an average looking man approaching a group of brunch women and walking away without harassment charges. (“The nerve of that creep thinking he could bother us during our girl’s time!!!!.”) Success in bars is exclusively for Chads. Seen it, tried it, learned the truth. Running clubs is interesting, but I think exclusive groups like this become female centric BECAUSE men don’t bother them. In other words, if men started joining, women would start un-joining. I’ve seen this…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 10:15 PM
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A few years ago, a top tier Chad friend of mine had about 20 women interested in him. More than he could ever have time for. Where are all the women you ask? …. They are all sharing (or waiting to share) the same guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 09:29 PM
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It’s cruel to let a man believe that only his personality has kept him dateless. But it makes people internally feel less superficial about the marketplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 05:53 PM
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women would become hateful and bitter that even average men dont want to settle down because he has a rotation of women to sleep with I would argue that a large percentage of women are NOT happy with their romantic lives because, to them, top tier men ARE the typical men in their dating pool. These men have the rotations they have to compete with. I would argue that below average men are irrelevant and not visable in today’s dating pool. They are beneath even consideration, so women don’t have s…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 05:14 PM
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Its true
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 02:32 AM
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lover of chads Do you envision a time in the future when you would want more than an endless string of casual flings? Or is chad meeting all your needs…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 11:00 PM
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…..…then she walks to the washroom, fixes her eyeliner, washes her hands, oblivious to the fact that the fresh water she takes for granted was made possible by that “uneducated scrote“
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 10:49 PM
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This notion of “cheating” is becoming less relevant as modern dating culture moves more towards non-monogamy and placing much more value with attributes not associated with a person’s moral character. Ask yourself this: Would a typical woman today rather date a tall, incredibly attractive man who is a serial cheater, OR an average looking, shorter man who would be dedicated to his partner? My impression is, the vast majority of women would date the cheater in hopes of “changing his ways.” My poi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 10:31 PM
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We have different definitions of friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 10:23 PM
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This made me envision a male construction worker repairing a broken water main in 105F heat on a busy street while a woman is inside sipping starbucks and typing on reddit how difficult modern life has become.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 10:19 PM
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There are other women on this sub who would say “looking at you for 10 seconds doesn’t give you permission to talk to me”. It’s not that most men are bad at signals, women are just bad at agreeing on what signals are intended to actually mean something.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 05:56 PM
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I‘m not a believer that men and women can be friends unless both are 100% romantically happy in another relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 05:21 PM
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Women are allowed to do whatever they want, just spare us all the virtue signaling and lack of self awareness about their own superficial behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 09:03 PM
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I think most people look at others holistically rather than zoning in on one thing. Online dating (30%-50% of all dating) has for the most part put an end to judging people holistically. Many today make their decisions about someone within seconds of viewing a profile and have applied online filters to save them even more time. So, if a man is deemed dateable because of his “personality”, people forget he passed online filters for height, race, weight, education, interests, income level before h…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 08:59 PM
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What your saying is quite common among women, and perfectly illustrates the hypocracy. You say ”can’t comprehend the obsession” but then you proceed to articulate the heights at which men become unattractive. The difference between a 5’6” male and an average male height (in the US) is roughly the length of a standard adult index finger. That’s obsessing over height. Women want body positivity, but then declare loudly what physical features make men datable, then are perplexed about why men have …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 07:59 PM
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Hope is good, but false hope can waste someone’s valuable time when they could be fully devoting themselves to higher causes. So I think its far worse to tell a man that he “needs to work on his personality” than it is to just be upfront and tell him he’s undatable in today’s market.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 05:07 PM
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I think women today are just impressed that a desirable man didn’t pump-n-dump.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 12:50 AM
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it's really more a time saver than anything else Well, I have a very financially successful friend right now who is devoting lots of free time to meeting women but is getting nowhere. He is only 5’7” and just average looking (not ugly) so his options are apparently limited today. He has considered sugar dating simply to have someone to take to dinner. My point is, I think financially successful men are less desired by typical women than they were 30 years ago, so sugaring is going to become more…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 11:19 PM
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Having been in multiple LTR’s myself, the bottom line is, all relationships with women are transactional. Either pay now, or pay later.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 07:40 PM
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Players don’t become players without women happily accepting high body count men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 11:56 PM
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> They are afraid to approach women I would call it “self preservation” rather than fear, but where do you think the fear comes from? Online dating. Because of lopsided gendar ratios, OLD is teaching men that they have a 1% chance that a woman will reciprocate interest in him. And he carries those odds into real life social situations. Far easier to deal with that 99% rejection rate behind a screen than in person in front of peers, so obviously men are growing more timid with approach. #metoo/ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 11:25 PM
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I’d say 20%. But as far as intimacy issues, there are far more single women (30%-40%) suffering from narcissism and “chad syndrome” than anything else. They are unapproachable by the common man due to their inflated self worth. Many reasons for this, but likely because at some point a top tier man PUA’d her and now who she will “settle for” has been elevated to top tier men only. So her love life consists of rejecting countless average looking men (who are her actual looks-match) while she await…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 08:14 PM
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> Independence Being with a woman who has to be emotionally coddled and hand-held through life is exhausting. > Strength A woman who is feminine looking, but can help you move a couch is priceless in an LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 04:08 PM
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I don’t think women have hookups for the sex. The guy has passed her standards test, and now she’s desperately trying to keep him in her life. Men like sex. The higher the standards she has, the harder it is to keep him. Why? Because he has a ton of other women chasing him. Its a modern day woman’s biggest problem. Finding a top tier man…then keeping him happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 03:15 AM
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Anecdotal: I had a playful, friendly black labrador for 11 years. Took her for walks in parks about 4x a week. I was in my late twienties at the time and saw plenty of other people in the park. Not even one woman approached me in those 11 years. Meet cutes mostly just happen in romantic movies.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 02:02 AM
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There are quite a few homeless in my town, almost always men, but occasionally there is a homeless woman. When this happens the town’s facebook lights up with sympathy. The latest woman looks to be mid-50s and truly ugly. She has been offered a place to stay, and chance at work, food, etc. She turns it all down (mental illness). Meanwhile I‘ve seen guys live on our streets for years and people consider them a nuisance.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 08:00 PM
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Maybe politics is part of it? The rugged, muscular, alpha type men tend to be…Trump voters. Just say’n. 🤷🏻‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 05:29 AM
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My impression of today’s college environment: More women than men. A small percentage of women are very promiscuous and the vast majority are mostly conservative sexually. But when they do have sex, they are very selective. Women know they can “get laid” anytime, but would rather focus on friendships and studying. Most men know the deck is stacked against them so they don’t even try to date, they focus on their studies. A small percentage of men (most attractive physically/socially) are given ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 05:05 AM
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I have two friends who use dating apps: Average guy who is wealthy and kind (but average looking), Super attractive guy with perfect lifeguard abs who is in the pest control business. Who gets all the attention? If you guessed the rich guy, you guessed wrong. He gets almost no matches. But my insanely attractive friend has more women simultaneously interested in him than I’ve had total during my entire dating life. We have been reduced to choice meat hanging on hooks waiting to be chosen online.…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 04:34 AM
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I have a good friend who is 5’7” and mid-thirties. Average looking though, but is wealthy. Big house, nice cars, works in finance. He is a very polite person, and is kind to others. These are all the things women don’t like in men (except the wealthy part.) so he has been dateless since 2018. If you live in a mainly white/black population, your biggest challenge is your height. It eliminates at least 50% of today’s women immediately. Minimum height is 5’9” so she can wear heels and feel feminine…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 09:52 PM
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This ⤴️. A woman lands an attractive man then thinks he is exclusive with her. Blissful Ignorance.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/21 02:44 AM
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Nature + Nurture. Just like IQ, I think our capacity to develop strong emotional intelligence is mostly genetic. But actual learning the skills early in life is critical. Not every culture reads social signals the same way so you can have the genetic capacity to learn but never actually learn what is relevant in your locale due to poor socialization early in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/21 01:42 AM
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What do you think will happen to women if our society collapses like so many other societies or civilizations in the course of human history? In case “rainbow pill” doesn’t know, I’ll point it out. A stronger society invades by force and teaches the women a new set of rules; which they will either follow or be enslaved. Women deciding to weaken men in their own society is actually weakening their long term security. But ignorance is bliss for them in the short term.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 12:31 AM
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In America, most nurses, teachers and childcare and social workers are women. most electrical, plumbing/water, computer, police, automotive, building/road/home construction workers are male. If men stop participating in society, national infrastructure fails. No new cars, homes, buildings, roads, fuel, computers, electricity, law enforcement, water, etc. If women stop participating in society, human species ends in 75 years (no babies.) Men and women need to help each other be happier because ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 12:13 AM
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You have to think abstractly when reading about dating criticism and not take it personal. Most everyone realizes that people have the right to dating standards, but this sub is a debate about ideas and how it affects society as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 09:02 PM
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Of course most women don’t want someone shorter I would think by now that feminism has helped women realize that they don’t need a tall man to feel normal and feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 08:52 PM
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I do not view this as a capitalism problem, but rather a cultural change that will lead to rapid depopulation over time in countries that adopt the change. Women have to be financially independent now because traditional gender roles (dad works, mom stays home) are now deemed sexist in western culture. A woman can’t rely on a man to pay her bills because it is 100% socially acceptable now to divorce or not marry at all. It is best for children to have a filltime parent to care for them but that …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 03:52 AM
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I was born and raised in America, but I am of German descent. Living in America, you get used to self preservation and that alone breeds narcissism before the social media influence. Its “every man for himself” here. It would honestly be very strange for me to live in a society where I have a good social safety net or free healthcare. Or that my neighbors gave a two shits about my existence, or that my employer cared about my future. I could loose my job tomorrow and the company would have zero …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 08:30 AM
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The internet dating marketplace is changing everything forever. Now a typical woman can open an app and have hundreds of men wanting to date her. In other words, not only is the average guy today at a huge dating disadvantage, he is....easily and immediately replaceable. I know, NAWALT, but the culture is quickly changing this way. For this reason alone I don’t see how an average guy would emotionally invest in ANY particular woman today, much less spend time or money on dates beyond a few days.…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 01:34 AM
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This is the reason. Looking forward to the day that women will just admit they are shallow creatures mainly because of their increased selection in today’s marketplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 05:19 PM
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😂 Good one. Not just young gullible men on this sub. Men learn eventually that women don’t want to be actual friends. She wants a useful, reliable resource. Home repair, moving truck, free ride to airport, an extra “get me out of trouble” phone number to call. She doesn’t want to burden her enormous emotional support group (her actual female friends who listen daily to her whining and pontificating) and her full-time therapist doesn’t own a truck.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 08:14 PM
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My dateless friend’s biggest problem is that he is too nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 01:07 AM
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It’s the main reason I quit OLD. Its like trying to say hello to a woman on the other side of a crowded football stadium. Too many thirsty men making noise at her to bother with OLD anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 12:22 AM
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😂😂. My big question is: Where in the world are average men dating above their league? Because I want to move there...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 08:43 PM
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Well, you could technically make this argument about any serious illness. A bad car accident, a stoke, heart problems. I’ve seen older generations of women stand by their man with physical problems. I’ve seen women walking with their husbands in wheelchairs. Yes, maybe these men can be more empathetic, but at some point she has to realize the world doesn’t revolve around her emotional needs. Also Women tend to have social groups which provide comfort much more than typical male groups. But my po…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/21 05:40 AM
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I agree there are limits, but it seems like people are getting less tolerable and less empathetic of others who occasionally struggle with life’s challenges.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/21 02:08 AM
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I don’t think traditional women stay traditional for long when being influenced by a group of women who grew up on “sex and the city.”. I think she’d fall into CC life not realizing she just became a fuckdoll.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/21 01:54 AM
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I don’t know how we got to a point in society where its intolerable to be anything less than “the life of the party.” Life is hard. People struggle, go through difficult periods. Makes us human. There’s a reason why people always say that you’re best friends are the ones who are still around after your worst days.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/21 01:17 AM
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“Opening up“ is a shit test. Women say they hate toxic masculinity but as soon as she sees a man cry even one tear she’s gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/21 01:10 AM
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Depression is a disease of the brain. If a woman left a man because he developed skin cancer most people would be disgusted by her. But when a man develops an emotional cancer, women declare “ He can’t meet your needs! You deserve better!”. Unlike women, male depression is often declared by society as a sign of weakness. Most men are aware of this and that’s why most keep their emotional problems to themselves. I sure as hell would never share with a modern woman anything that would make me look…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/21 12:35 AM
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I would not be surprised if you told me that once you strip away the surface level problems from the average struggling person the #1 problems are a lack of fulfillment in their lives, lack of quality relationships, and a lack of purpose. People chase money which brings none of this to people’s lives. I have learned the hard way, and I am envious of anyone who lives in a community of caring people or has found fulfillment in what they do for a living.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 10:42 PM
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I have often thought about this topic and your post is 100% correct. I see it in daily life. The downward slide started when people adopted the “me” mentality. And its not a surprise that the problem is growing at about the same rate as the rate of people turning away from religion. Nobody is teaching people purpose and meaning anymore. We only serve ourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 10:20 PM
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This is the best time to be alive as a woman in the west I fixed your sentence
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 10:10 PM
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I’ll give you one source: https://quillette.com/2019/03/12/attraction-inequality-and-the-dating-economy/ But feel free to use the little google machine to search for happiness in dating on your own. But the big problem with many surveys is it measures unhappiness but doesn’t dive into the disparities between the sexes about the “why.” Ask any men, and the typical unhappiness response is trouble establishing contact with women. If women only see approx 20% of men attractive there is no reason to …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 09:20 PM
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It would be a good couple of years until she learned proper english. 😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 08:46 PM
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Yes, there are a ton of over-30 single women and none of them want to settle for 2nd best. And yes they are sharing men, they often just don’t know it. Ask an over-30 woman if there is a shortage of men, they’ll say “no I get plenty of dates”, but they don’t realize they’re sharing the same small group of guys who are fucking half the city.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 08:41 PM
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It may not be 10% now, but...I have to say, as a single American male living a very comfortable lifestyle, finding a late twenties woman in some screwed up country is an increasingly attractive option. As American women become more devoted to waiting to possibly snag a top tier man, there are women in other countries who don’t have this attitude at all. Some 25 year old woman working her ass off just to afford a small apartment in some 3rd world shithole city would love the chance to live the go…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 08:06 PM
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Women remaining available to top teir men until her phone stops ringing in her 30s. More men basically forced to live as forever single but then learning to love it. Those two combined means that eventually there will be more single people than not.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 07:08 PM
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No obviously not. But women who at least wait until the relationship gets more serious has helped to filter the CC out of her life. If she dates a guy for a few months and its starts getting serious, but abruptly ends due to issues...thats perfectly normal. Nothing slutty about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 03:41 PM
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dOnT SLuT sHame Me.!!!......Ahhhhhhhhhhh This convenient line of defense has helped to perpetuate the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 03:26 PM
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I realllllly realllllly don't understand how a lot of women would be doing differently. Casual sex has just become part of dating in America. Women have normalized quick sex. It used to be “sex after 3 dates” but now it‘s “sex on 1st date.” Attractive American men are loving it. ​ why do we still have the sexless/dateless guys? It could be an issue of demographics. Too many men chasing to few women. What are common requirements women in your country have? Must have a good job? Must be a certain …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 03:21 PM
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Most intend to find an LTR. I would agree. But the CC guys aren’t going to tell the women that they are just out for sex. They’re going to lie. Most women don’t respond well to “Hey, nice to meet you, please blow me now so I can dump you and move on.”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 03:09 PM
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If the women you know are holding out for 30 days before sex then they likely aren’t going to experience the CC. If your friends are truly dating their looksmatch then it’s not surprising that they are meeting men who haven’t had dates in a while. They are used to being overlooked.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 03:03 PM
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You say only ONE friend rides the CC... I don’t think most women know they are riding. They just are. They ”date” a hot guy for several weeks and somehow the relationship ends after a ton of sex. But she starts again. She has no problem finding another hot guy...for a few weeks. This happens over and over. That’s a part of the CC. The online dating apps are overloaded with guys doing this. Its like a free brothel to them. And the regular looking guys on there looking for a relationship get skipp…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 02:41 PM
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Yes, men look better at 30. I’m not saying you won’t get attention. I’m saying she’s gonna start wondering if you are emotionally capable of more than just casual sex. The “commitment” questions started being thrown at me around age 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/21 02:44 AM
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If a woman only finds 20% of her available dating pool to be attractive enough to talk to, she has reduced her ability to find a reciprocating emotional connection with a man by 80%. So what’s the answer? If finding love is most important to a particular woman then you would have to convince that woman to reshuffle her dating requirements to give herself a better chance at finding that love.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 06:58 PM
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Something seems a little “off” in these comments. 😂😂😂. When I was truly happy in a relationship, a sub like PPD was the furthest from my mind. I just find it interesting to read comments from people who sound perectly happy in their relationships (oh we never argue) but have somehow found themselves lurking on a sub that endlessly dissects the current dating marketplace. Not saying it’s wrong I guess. I just find it hard to believe married people here are truly happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 01:45 AM
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Height is a powerful social construct so he may have assumed you were going to dump him anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 10:01 PM
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You broke established patriarchal gender norms by not dating a man who towers over you. Just don’t do it again or mention it to your friends. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 09:56 PM
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A scientific Study found that only 4% of women are willing to date to man shorter than them. They didn’t specify heels, but if a woman wears heels regularly she’s probably including her height with heels. So 96% of average height 5’4” women who wear 3” heels would require a man to be 5’7” or above, which sounds about right.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 09:33 PM
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You just outlined FDS’s biggest problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 04:36 PM
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I keep getting tripped up by the definition of equality and then why women keep using the word.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 02:04 AM
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Small tatoos don’t bother me, but for some reason I equate large tatoos to high N-counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 01:38 AM
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A guy can be kind, smart, and attractive. I’m saying that guy doesn’t have to jump thru FDS hoops he just dates a non-fds woman. It’s supply & demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 01:33 AM
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Here’s the simple problem that FDS women will never get resolved: Thanks to the internet, it’s now a huge dating marketplace. So, men that FDS women are ultimately attracted to have plenty of options online. Those men don’t need to meet the demands that FDS has set forth. They just move on to other women. However, the dateless men who WILL meet FDS’s needs never make it to the first date. They don’t meet the criteria of attractiveness to even get to know for 5 minutes. FDS members can virtue sig…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 12:36 AM
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Sounds more like an open LTR relationship. You are doing everything a boyfriend would do except monogamy. Hopefully she is returning the favors otherwise you are getting used.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 12:17 AM
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My point was its ultimately about net income and net worth. You don’t know that right away about anyone. Ex: you meet your new date who is an engineer. You think they must make $100k easily. They drive a nice car, wear nice shoes, etc. Ok. Three months into the relationship you see piles of cc bills on their dresser. He/she is just barely surviving because they don’t know how to manage money at all. You would have been better off with the $15/hr restaurant worker with zero debt and spends wisely…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/21 11:40 PM
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she said a guy shorter than her is hard to come by. Oh my dude, your girl is virtue signaling about short guys. There are just as many men 5’7” or below as there are 6’0” or above. Just tell her its ok to admit she likes tall guys. Its not an accident that she’s dating a 6ft guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/21 10:46 PM
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its an expensive cologne.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/21 08:21 PM
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> date short women This is a misconception. Short women actually prefer tall men because they want to feel more safe and have taller offspring. Don’t believe me then check out r\tall, its full of men with 5’0” wives. He’s joked with me one day that his online dating account acts disabled, so I had him lie about his height and we set it to 5’10”. He got matches. You can’t ask a man to have faith in dating when he blatantly sees the reality of today’s superficial dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/21 07:40 PM
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Yup, he is custom made for a future dead-bedroom.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/21 06:52 PM
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He says he’s 5’7”-5’8” but I think he’s actually 5’6”. He’s the kind of guy who lets women in front of him at check out lines just to be polite. Lacks dominance and frame.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/21 06:51 PM
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Welp... Here’s why I think most women will continue to date based mostly on attractiveness, even in the depths of a recession. So what do you do? This isn’t a good financial vetting question in this generation. You never know who has money and who doesn’t. Even Doctors can have a horrendous financial situation ($500k of student debt or has alimony payments.) But I know a guy who has money and it makes no difference. An average looking finance guy whose getting ready for early retirement at 43. N…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/21 06:24 PM
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You probably aren’t ugly. Average looking guys don’t get hit on. Surf is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/21 02:25 PM
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I “think“ OPs point is modern women often spend their time on top 20% flings rather than developing an emotional connection with a stable partner. We can’t expect bottom 80% modern men to understand what a loving partner is when they never get that experience in their twenties.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 08:51 PM
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Women 18-27 constant validation from thirsty men on social media, easy sex on tinder, support from their friends Women 28-35 Fewer thirsty men complimenting her, most are aging confirmed bachelors but still dedicated to the PUA game. Her best friend won’t shut the F up about her amazing fiancé and the big wedding plans. Asks her to help pick out a wedding dress. Her seething jealousy emerges. Wonders why she keeps having empty sex with online strangers while her peers are starting their next pha…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 06:17 PM
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It’s not fear. I don’t approach women because I know the vast majority of them want to be left alone by strangers. Today, if you want to get to know a woman you have to do it through her phone or through an established group.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/21 04:55 PM
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I’d like to see the default be that women approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/21 04:51 PM
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I’d say ”loosely defined” polyamorous groups. Why? Top tier men will never get tired of having sex with multiple women. Women will never stop wanting top tier men. Why settle for less when the internet brings them together. Its a perfect match. Non-manogamy has come along away in just one generation. It’s just that many women still want the fairy tale. The wedding, the intimate love and the couple building a family. But I think that fairy tale is becoming less important with each new generation …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 02:06 AM
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Attractiveness opens the door, personality seals the deal. Average guys can be as funny as they want, but if a woman won’t give you 5 minutes of her time your personality is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 11:11 PM
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Where did I write about police involvement? No crime is commited by starting a positive conversation. I’m talking about women’s comfort levels around people she doesn’t know today. She WILL post to social media if she feels creeped out, and you don’t have control over how she feels in any situation. Doesn’t matter how confident you are in your skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 09:09 PM
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>dropping this game of randomly approaching women at bars and other places. 95% of women already have a list of men to choose from through her online social connections. And trying to start an innocent conversation with women in public has too many risks today. What changed: Post #metoo attitudes, We live online now. Limited public interaction due to COVID, Rise of crime in cities If you are not on her phone you don’t really exist. So you run the risk of getting your picture posted in social med…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 08:15 PM
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Tech money doesn’t help poor genetics and social skills, the #1 & #2 causes of datelessness. You may drive a Range Rover, and own a 4000 sq ft house but if you are invisible socially or are too short you spend your nights alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 11:51 PM
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I attended a large meetup group in a restaurant in 2019 and for the most part nobody knew each other. Very polite group but probably an hour into it someday brought up the dating world amongst a group of women and the women were absolutely brutal about the men they’ve seen online, especially short men. There were men in the group and they just kept quiet, but eventually they changed the subject. I remember thinking: these women are bonding over making fun of the physical features of men they don…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 04:29 PM
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Oh, haha, you don’t live the average guy‘s dating experience. I’m sorry, but women out of our league don’t date down, because they have zero reason to do so unless money is involved. And they don’t date their lookmatch for the same reasons. They have an inventory of men above their league flirting with them daily. That’s what technology has done to today’s dating world.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 05:07 AM
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Men who stay in their league have no trouble finding sex & Women: If you aim below your league, you find many men who want to date you Nope & Not gonna happen The women in a man’s league are gleefully having sex with men above their league because those men are often promising relationships that will never actually happen. She lives a fantasy for a minute, he increases his n-count for fun. He ghosts her, she gets disappointed, and the cycle starts again. Women are simply addicted to the self est…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 04:43 AM
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Don’t forget, he needs to have: equivalent or above college education. low bmi, and a gym training routine to maintain a low bmi and good muscle mass confidence, ya gotta have confidence a winning smile, good hair (no ”thinning hair” bullshit) a digital presence which shows to healthy active life and social status matching political beliefs. matching family and life goals. matching morals and religious/non-religious ideologies good clothes and shoes. don’t forget those shoes openly respectful, p…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 07:47 PM
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A 8/10 man who writes “I am incredibly shy and awkward around people” will not suffer the loss of one match in his dating profile. It might actually attract more women because it might be relatable to some, or considered an “adorable quality.” A 5/10 man who writes the same has just disabled his dating account. Looks > Personality
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 01:33 AM
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​ There is a reason that “holding frame” is a big part of TRP. Women are simply disgusted by male depression and loneliness. Once a man becomes lonely (or depressed from it) he has to learn to bury those feelings deep and hold frame in order to date women. It’s not even a debate that men have better mental health when they socialize more and have more people who care about them in their lives. So, yes, more dates equal better mental health, which equal less suicides.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 11:04 PM
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I’ll suggest two possible reasons: The guy is attractive and he has a lot of other interest so he doesn’t want to start a monogamous relationship. This is the most common reason. Or, the guy is only average looking, so he is rarely if ever approached or propositioned by women. So when it happens, he is suspicious of it. I have had the second happen to me. A woman flirted with me hard enough that I started to wonder what was wrong with her, or if she had other motives I couldn’t figure out at the…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 08:11 AM
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The SMP is affected by supply and demand and the casual sex dating market has contaminated the relationship dating market. The result is a disproportionate number of people trying to chase relationships with people who only desire casual sex. Women are essentially experiencing a sugar high of male options on the promise that the women will provide no strings attached sex. You cannot ask women to lower their standards but if women used FDS’s 30 day rule, women would soon discover that their actua…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 05:39 PM
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That all guys are so thirsty they will sleep with any attractive women who offers. Nope. If she acts entitled, pretentious, airheaded, demanding, or is an asshole to other people I know or restaurant staff, its a major boner killer for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 04:30 AM
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If a man lied and said he was 5’10” when he was actually 6’0”, would any woman care that he lied? Not likely. Thats because its not about the lie. Its about the disappointment. Thats fine, she’s allowed to be disappointed, but lets call it what is: It’s shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 03:18 PM
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100%. Unfortunately, she cares how your height measures against the other men in the room. And Instead of being less restrictive about height, short women with maturity issues end up with giant men (6’5”) as part of their own overcompensation for insecurities. You just have to visit r\tall sub to see the short fangirls there and the tall men talking about their tiny wives. They call them their little “jetpacks.”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 04:06 AM
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So here’s the story in a nutshell. I happened to show up and sit down before she gets there. She‘s 15 minutes late and rushes over to the table. All is good, we get along GREAT from the start. Nearly three hours later and we’re closing the place down, still laughing and talking. Now she has her hands on me in the restaurant/bar and we’re making plans for the next week. I’m thinking she wants to go home with me, so I get up to go to the bathroom and ask for the check and she gets up with me. I do…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 03:51 AM
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This has been debated a thousand times already. If my left eyebrow hangs 3mm too low, she can go ahead and filter me out based on the preferences argument. But that says more about her than it does me. When her top priority is her high heel shoe collection and properly proportioned instagram couple photos instead of a fulfilling relationship? She has some maturing yet to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 02:40 AM
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🏅
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 02:32 AM
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I was still slightly taller, so probably 5’6”. She wasn’t wearing heels so she probably envisioned formal events being a disaster around me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 02:29 AM
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Guys 5’11” lying about being 6’0”? That’s a forgivable offense. Or, she won’t even notice. But... Guys like 5’7” lying that they are 5’9” or 5’10” No, holy sh!t that is a date ending event. I found out the hard way after lying about 1.5” (4cm) to avoid online dating filters. We’re talking about maybe twice the width of a salad fork? She was so mad she later walked and stuck me with a $75 bar tab. For women who say height isn’t that important to them, they sure have a funny way of showing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 01:18 AM
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Good idea, but FDA would never be allowed to approve it. All modern governments need fresh new taxpayers. They need to keep men thirsty.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 07:04 PM
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I’ve honestly never heard of this happening, ever. We may live in different countries. I didn’t see high school classmates ever again once I moved to college.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 06:14 AM
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100%. You can be very good with conversation, but still not have an opportunity to be part of a social group. It takes friends to make friends, just like it takes money to make money, Same concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 04:07 AM
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most people operate on the premise of “the more, the merrier”. Lol, no they don’t. Most people create cliques and stay tightly within them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 03:54 AM
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Anyone who is an extrovert or finds it easy to make friends with strangers isn’t going to empathize with your post at all. And that’s a big part of the female population. I see it as a major problem in modern society, The “us vs them” mentality, the circle is closed to the outsiders. Very difficult as you get older and get away from college, sports, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 03:51 AM
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Yes, yes, these are the old stereotypes I’ve come to know over the years. Because I did not sign a marriage license before age 35 I run the risk of being labelled with a personality disorder or childhood trauma. I don’t blame you in particular, stereotypes are a product of society that shares common values. But we can challenge those stereotypes in ourselves, then challenge society. For example: I don’t believe that every single woman over 35 must be an emotional wreck, nor do I believe that any…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 04:32 AM
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There is no argument to be made in the casual sex marketplace. Women like what they like. They can choose to spend their prime years entertaining HVMs with casual sex, or choose it building a family in a commited relationship with someone stable. That is their choice, both options have positives and negatives. The attraction argument becomes relevent as soon as we begin talking about relationships. In relationships, there is a difference between what we are attracted to, and what we ultimately s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 04:02 AM
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Yea, I’d say it’s worse for 35+ women due to the expectations of childbirth.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 02:20 AM
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We have made smart decisions. We still have our money.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 12:00 AM
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But how about single, never been married, 35+ men. should women be questioning why they are single? Is it bad for men to be single at that age? Over 35, never married, childfree. I am questioned a lot, mostly by women. Apparently I am practically a living insult to the tradition of marriage & family. Or, apparently there is something deeply wrong with me that I haven’t made the “ultimate commitment.” Never married doesn’t mean we are absent of committed relationships, it just means we haven’t si…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 11:29 PM
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I’m on it. 👍🏻
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 03:01 AM
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Me = 5’8”, white, 22BMI, actively lifted weights throughout college, probably 6/10 face.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 03:00 AM
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Someday I’m going to write a post about my time living with a “SuperChad.“ He was my roommate in college. He falls into group #1. The guy always had a woman in his life. If he didn’t, he could find one in less than an hour in a bar. What’s his secret? Being very attractive, thus being very confident. Yes, that’s right. Attractiveness creates success, which generates confidence. Despite being introduced to hundreds of women at college parties I didn’t hookup once in those 4 years. My secret to fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 01:20 AM
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Sugar Dating is the bridge between sex work and mainstream dating. I predict most women will consider it over the next 10 years and any social stigma will go away. Why? Single women have the highest debt per capita in history. Fewer young women than ever have reliable partners in their life to help shoulder that high debt. A recession is coming (at some point.) An inflated housing market mixed with un-cancelable college debt obligations makes life unaffordable if income becomes unreliable. Poor …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 07:26 PM
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I agree to an extent, and this applies well to pre-internet society. However... Modern dating technology mixed with normalizing casual sex has given women an artificial sense of improved male selection and allowed hypergamy to influence women’s choices. They don’t often succeed in LTRs but it influences their initial choices. Casual sex: Higher SMV men are giving more attention to women below their looks-match in order to increase their own N-counts. These men have no intention of finding LTRs, …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 07:12 PM
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Guy #2 is better looking for sure. But guy #1 is good looking enough to be looks-matched with average women, imo, and is a better overall package. Women routinely say they want a well rounded guy with overall good qualities, and that is guy #1. What I think they mean is they want guy #2 but with good overall qualities...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 03:10 AM
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I don’t hate the players, I hate that the redpill even works. I know it works because I see it irl. I have two friends with completely different experiences in dating, Guy #1 is a good person, good job, not bad looking, family oriented and has been dateless for two years, wants to be married and can’t find dates. Basically he is too nice, and not aggressive. Guy #2 uses rp tactics (without even knowing what redpill is) and he has more dating opportunities than he’ll ever have time for. He never …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/21 11:53 PM
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Fix the taboo of not being married and you reduce divorce rates. Even though marriage rates are down, there is still a stigma in polite society. It’s mostly women who treat me different once they find out I’ve never been married. Dates wonder what my problem is that I’ve gone so long without putting a ring on somebody’s finger. Older women act like I’ve not achieved “real adulthood.” A realtor once commented in front of my GF that I should just ”marry her already.” This pressure to marry no doub…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 03:53 PM
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Yea, women who straddle the fence between casual and serious relations are helping to perpetuate the problem while contaminating their own relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 02:59 AM
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The casual sex market will always be based on supply and demand. You can’t artificially influence that market with new rules. But in terms of the LTR dating market, In my view, it’s all up to women. That’s harsh, but let me explain: Modern dating technology mixed with normalizing casual sex has given women an artificial sense of male selection. Higher SMV men are giving more attention to women below their looks-match in order to increase their own N-counts. However, these men have no intention o…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 02:37 AM
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I think our ability to alter physical features will happen long before our ability to alter instinct. We will simply create what we consider attractive by reinforcing our notions of masculine and feminine features. First will be removing common disease, obviously, but then we will alter height and weight. Our ability to efficiently store fat has lived out its usefulness. And so many people struggle with BMI, and so many people struggle with feeling too short or too tall because society has its i…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 12:16 AM
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I think many of them miss it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/21 11:26 PM
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For some reason there are a lot of married people here (or in committed LTRs). I don’t understand why this topic attracts married people because this sub endlessly dissects the current dating marketplace. Nevertheless, maybe people who have had success dating have a better sense of dating success?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/21 08:43 PM
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Here’s a fun article for you. https://quillette.com/2019/03/12/attraction-inequality-and-the-dating-economy/
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/21 01:55 AM
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It’s going to get worse, not better. Sugaring is just getting started in our culture and its going to be more $ for less in return. Some women are already searching for men to pay them just to talk to them, nothing else. Just saw a post on a sub yesterday of a guy spending $10k just to meet his Onlyfans dream girl in person. She looked normal, nothing special. Hopefully its fake but...its believable. If a guy gets absolutely zero attention from women then he’s going to use what money he has to g…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 12:56 AM
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Now that, for the most part, women have had a break from cold approaches due to covid, I think we’ll discover that the cold approach is probably gone for good (from being socially acceptable.) I’m noticing more “stranger danger” posts on my community social media from women uncomfortable with random men interacting with them in public spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 12:07 AM
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Oh, if I see a photograph of a nice big pair...hell yea...its sexy. Nice to look at but I know for me she’s not LTR material. So that’s me overriding evolutionary conditioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 11:44 PM
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A see your point, but here’s my personal anecdote: Over time I have gone through phases where I preferred women shaped certain ways. For example I once dated a woman with triple-D breasts. It was a turn on at first until I realized how much in the way her tits were with exercise and even just hugging. So I mentally “moved on” to more athletic women with smaller tits. I made a conscious decision based on life priorities and have no interest in large breasted women now. So, it is possible...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 11:34 PM
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Right, but the environment hasn’t changed that would negate selecting women based somewhat on physicality. There is no evolutionary advantage to selecting ugly women. Maybe someday when offspring are created in a lab instead of by parental genetics...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 11:07 PM
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I hope you didn’t just label men with depression as “wimps” because that would be a horrendous statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 10:53 PM
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Why the cheap shot instead of making a legitimate counter argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 10:06 PM
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From an evolutionary perspective a woman doesn’t want a vulnerable man who is incapable of fighting off predators. His weakness increases her vulnerability. That’s understandable. BUT, the problem I’m having is why modern women can’t mentally override this instinct in this era of wonder woman “gurl-power” to find a man more suitable for modern times. Women are supposed to be able to take care of themselves...And we don’t live in caves or the wild west anymore. We don’t have to drag home dinner o…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 09:55 PM
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The solution isn’t as simple as “going outside” for men. There are lots of men struggling with dating who otherwise lead normal lives. The dateless basement dweller just happens to be reddit’s favorite punching bag.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 09:31 PM
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If you’re going there to meet people that share your activities, its good. If you’re going there to pick up women to increase your N-count, just don’t. It’s bad enough that meetup coordinators are now having to tell men not to treat their friendly social groups like its “single’s night” at the dive bar. PUA thirst is slowly ruining every innocent interaction with women today. A guy with good intentions is running out of options to meet someone because of it. The woman standing next to you servin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 05:33 PM
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If RP hasn’t addressed this already they need to. I think HVMs are getting ripped off if they pay anything. They are the prize.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 11:38 PM
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With that logic then any HVW unwilling to pay for dates with HVMs would loose their HVW status. Its called “equality.”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 11:37 PM
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The paradox of choice. Its a bit dated, but an interesting ted talk https://www.ted.com/talks/barry_schwartz_the_paradox_of_choice Its easy to devalue something you have an abundance of. Think about being a woman and having 50 guys waiting for your response on your dating app. You might think it would make the woman happier, but I think it actually makes her less happy. Why? With abundance she is forced to take responsibility for her choices instead of blaming society for a lack of choice Its si…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 09:34 PM
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This isn’t a huge deal, but should be mentioned: There‘s still a social stigma against unmarried men, mainly from women. Not one guy has ever said a word to me about staying unmarried all these years, but women find it “unnatural” or ”unusual” like I must be mentally broken or I must not be worth marrying. Has anyone encountered this? Dates want to know what my problem is. Why I’m single, and not divorced. Old women (in particular) feel sorry for me, like I’ve never developed into a “real man” b…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 02:42 AM
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Rage inducing. No way I’d stay in a relationship while she bangs guys, while I get boyfriend responsibilities. It seems very “cuckish.”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 12:25 AM
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I think if you reflected a bit you’d realize you have standards like height, weight, facial features, its just you have enough interest from men with those standards that you don’t have to think about the standards too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 08:04 PM
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How do those women expect to find fulfillment in a relationship that’s built on cheating from day one? There’s no way she’s going to stop hookups with higher quality side dudes so those relationships are already doomed.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 07:33 PM
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I think FDS’s 3-month rule is a game changer for the dating market if widely adopted. It separates traditional dating from hookup culture. FDS women will find the percentage of men today willing to wait 3 months, while the hookup culture condenses into a community who enjoys casual sex. The key will be how many of those FDS women are willing to lower standards to find available men who will to wait those 3 months. I don’t envision a guy who gets a lot of attention anyway will wait long before mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 06:30 PM
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Are you saying that any guy can become HV simply by adhering to FDS’s 3-month rule? I think a man has to meet HV standards for “lust” (HV-ONS) before he can be considered HV-LTR as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 06:21 PM
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There’s a huge array of different men living MGTOW in different ways. Some men do only hookups but otherwise don’t involve women in their lives. Some men live “monk mode”. No women, period. Incels get relief from emotional pain by removing women from their minds completely. Some men date often, but never cohabitate or marry. In my opinion, you never become truly MGTOW until you remove any hate. Women living rent free in your mind is still a form of cohabitation.
/r/MGTOW228/03/21 04:53 PM
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If its just “face”, its easier to know. But people comment that body, social status, job, personality all go into that calculation. So a guy with a 6 face might have a 8 body might become a 7. Seems to me that if someone is normally surrounded by ugly people, a 6 guy is going to look better to them vs someone who is normally surrounded by attractive people.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 04:23 PM
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I remember online dating when it began. There was a clear stigma then but plenty of people still used it and I had many dates from it. Now All these years later I’m back looking and I don’t bother with online dating this time. I read too many bad stories. Here’s how I think it has changed: The “hookup” guy treats OLD as a “numbers game” writing to hundreds of women and refining his game to increase numbers of dates. The “average” guy looking for an LTR is going offline to find more genuine exper…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 06:48 AM
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He’s the kind of guy who if he found $5 on the sidewalk he wants to find out who lost it and give it to them. You cant tell him to stop being nice its just who he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 01:27 AM
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Feel free to diagnose this: I know a guy right now who is forever single. Age 31, 22BMI, great job, family oriented, goes to meetups and can hold a conversation, decent sense of humor, maybe 5’8”, probably 6/10 face. Has money but doesn’t put it on display and doesn’t boast about it. Dating apps and singles events don’t work. He’s been dateless for two years. I diagnose him as being a “nice guy”, but according to your post he should be married already.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 12:55 AM
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How does he meet women? Dating apps don’t work unless you are attractive. Cold approach is becoming unacceptable. Women make decisions about men within a few seconds at dating events. His main option is social circles. The millionare would have to wear a shirt with his bank balance on it to show a woman he is worth something.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 06:45 PM
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If the millionaire has no social life, his dating life will be terrible unless he does Sugaring.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 06:40 PM
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Its about social status and attractiveness level. How many women does a man have around his social environment. Ultimately: An ugly rich guy will have fewer dates than an attractive poor guy if they socialize equally. A millionare who is an introvert is more likely to be an incel than an attractive car mechanic.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 06:27 PM
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I don’t think your friends will find LTRs in a bar. Just my opinion. I’ll give you my “over 40 male perspective” who likes dating over 35 women (because older women are experienced and know what they want.) I’m single and CF, I introduce myself to active women being active (hiking groups, golf leagues, etc). I will never do the bar scene because I don’t do the PUA lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 03:18 AM
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Where do most over 40 women look for dates these days?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 02:56 AM
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I don’t think most guys get into an LTR for reliable sex only. Look at marriage stats. Many guys want family, someone who cares about them, and a stable home life. In other words, many guys want what many women want. RP has not taken over the entire male population. As far as my GF saying lets be FWB now. I would assume she is now wanting to date other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 02:08 AM
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I’m reminded once again that there is a sub for everything imaginable...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 11:43 PM
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There are many reasons to go MGTOW. I don’t believe men are biological driven to walk away, I think men are simply convinced over time that the pain/problems associated with relationships is greater than the reward of having them. There is a tipping point. If you designed a new species simulation on a computer and added all the obstacles of modern relationships today I don’t think the species would survive. The way we meet, the pressures we put on each other, the changes in tradition, the expect…
/r/MGTOW220/03/21 02:10 AM
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Women misplace criticism for male anger. The biggest criticism I read here is that women are wasting their lives attempting LTRs with men out of their league that are clearly using them temporarily for sex. Then the women go cry about it to the men they won’t date because he isn’t tall enough, handsome enough or confident enough. It gets old quickly. The same would be true if below average women constantly had men cry on their shoulders because attractive women kept cheating on those men and tak…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 12:28 AM
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However there is another side of this thats risky. example, you might start an LTR with someone hard at work in medical school, years later they graduate, start residency at a hospital and get a ton of attention from the opposite sex. You might loose that person if they aren’t dedicated to the LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 06:51 PM
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Some people would rather find a person who has already achieved life goals and inherit the rewards from that achievement (high income, respect, social status, pride, etc). It’s just part of the instant gratification of society in general. For me I find more joy in being in a relationship where my partner is working towards goals and being there when they achieve those goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 06:09 PM
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This a good read. https://quillette.com/2019/03/12/attraction-inequality-and-the-dating-economy/
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 06:34 AM
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Yes, I think so. But a pill even more popular among the invisible male population would be one which reduces the need for companionship. A pill for loneliness. Many invisible guys will tell you that prostitutes actually make them feel even more empty. And prostitutes will tell you that some men ultimately just want to be wanted, held and listened to for a while because they have nobody. If you can solve both these problems (sex and loneliness) in one pill you just fixed the Incel community forev…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 05:41 AM
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I’ve heard some SSRIs have this side affect. Not sure which ones or how it works but that they “calm the urge”. But then you deal with all the other stuff that comes with an SSRI. But yea, I think the fear among population researchers might be that once people are free from their primary biological instinct they might actually enjoy it too much and want more of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 05:10 AM
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Its a bit of a pandora’s box though. Without a sex drive there is no procreation. Governments are already nervous about maintaining population replacement in their countries because capitalism needs a consistent population. With childfree lifestyles becoming incredibly popular I doubt the FDA would approve a drug that puts even more pressure on a declining population. But you are correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 04:51 AM
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A pill with the opposite affect of viagra would be nice. Plenty of men would take it and close their tinder accounts.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 04:02 AM
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Legalizing prostitution doesn’t solve all tragedy against women. There may be less rape statistically, I don’t know. But rape is also about controlling another human so prostitution probably would not reduce it. No, licensing prostitutes gives the state an opportunity to intervene in these women’s lives to find out if the need help in some way. If they don’t want help then its their body their choice. But right now they have nothing like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 03:51 AM
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But that’s happening now, pig man is having sex. Doing it illegally is a far more disgusting situation than legally licensed sexworkers having their own firms and making their own decisions. Too much tragedy is hiding in the shadows right now because its illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 03:42 AM
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Well, you’re getting into the fine details of pricing tiers. There will always be premium and budget options. I’m saying on average the price would come down.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 03:37 AM
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I ask this because that’s where I see the sexual marketplace going. I don’t think prostitution will ever be legalized, because sugaring will become the alternative. The huge spectrum of arrangements is too hard to enforce. As women’s college debt increases, and the number of men ignored on dating sites increases, eventually the two groups will meet. Its classic economics. But most Sugar daddies will not want the stigma. I’m quite sure of that. They just want a chance at companionship.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 01:06 AM
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The typical grandma IS a suburban mom. I’m including her too.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 12:59 AM
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I’m curious, how do you feel about Sugar Daddies? Same cringe?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 12:54 AM
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But Johns are the same men that single women ignore on dating apps anyway so it won’t matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 12:47 AM
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Yes sex is valid work. And most men want safety for women in that business too. Nobody wants to see the tragedy in that business except the exploiters. We don’t just think with our dicks. So why can’t states get it passed then? If feminists want it, most men want it....whats the problem? It’s suburban moms (consistent voters) who don’t want their husbands stopping at the BJ shop on his way home from work. They also cry NIMBY. The average suburban mom cares about her back yard and keeping sex as …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 12:41 AM
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...and when you legalize prostitution in a given marketplace the price of sex from women plummets. Just ask someone from the Netherlands. If American women were so sick of men complaining about being sexless they would push to have prostitution legalized nationally (women get licensed by the state, get tested, etc — just like Nevada.) But that won’t happen because women fear their SOs will go to prostitutes as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 11:43 PM
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Well the two HR departments I know of right now are both ran by black females, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 11:01 PM
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Some people just need someone in their lives at all times because they don’t want to be alone and feel vulnerable. I think women by far feel more vulnerable when alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 09:53 PM
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I will tell you my “new girl in town” experience. She was 28 and moved to my town. She had no friends and asked me out (first time that has ever happened to me.) So we went out for a while and she got to meet people I knew. Weeks go by and she still wants to be friends for a while longer, so nothing intimate between us. She starts hanging out with my friend’s wife’s sister. And they started doing girl’s nights. Long story short she met another guy because I helped her get her social connections …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 09:36 PM
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Ok, but isn’t she still making a top selection based on pics among the men in her inbox? Because that would basically be the ”Island” in OP post. She selects the most Chadiest in her Inbox to get to know. If that is true, then it really is about how ambitious Chads are in reaching out to women. I don’t know how that works in Bumble land but I would imagine the Island is just how many she matches with...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 08:29 PM
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Help me through this: So you are saying that even though a woman doesn’t find a man attractive she will still make an effort to get to know him for a relationship, even though she has an OLD inbox full of other men interested in getting to know her?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 07:58 PM
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So you don’t believe there are male physical attributes that women collectively agree are desirable traits?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 07:22 PM
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I don’t understand why American women and Chads would get butthurt then insult American guys who go overseas. Most guys are irrelevent to the American dating marketplace anyway, they shouldn’t care.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 10:56 PM
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Yes. The American dating marketplace is a mess. I’ve seen lists online of places where American men can go to be treated better. Even average American men are sought after in many parts of the world. (No, not Asia.)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 10:29 PM
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Man I wish I had kept a link to the article I read online more than a year ago on this exact subject. The article was about the sudden rise of highly educated women with solid careers who are struggling to find suitable men for dating who had equal or greater education and salary level. It was spun to feel bad for these women instead of pointing out how powerful hypergamy is in female nature and how education and salary shouldn’t matter when trying to find a mate. I think its part of the massive…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/21 02:36 AM
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Some just don’t understand how serious it is. Years ago during the initial phase of the #metoo movement my department attended a mandatory anti-harassment training seminar. The lecturer was a female civil rights attorney who scared the living shit out of all of us for two hours. Afterwards we each had to pass a test on the lecture or be flagged for additional training. The entire office changed after that. Laughter was gone. Friendly afterwork drinks, gone. Just sayin “Hey you look nice today.” …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/21 01:16 AM
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This is exactly right. #metoo’s “Believe all women“ mindset helps some women finally get justice they deserve BUT it also makes it very risky to be around women at work for everyone else. Every woman you interact with at work now has the ability to destroy your career if she wants to do it. Women will say “that’s the cost of justice”. But they have also lost the ability to meet good people too. Many good marriages have started at work. People forget there is a positive side that is now gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/21 12:25 AM
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Wrong sub, I didn’t ask for pity. I’m stating a reality of many single men. Funny you should mention I’m in a golf league its full of married women. lol. But your point isn’t lost on me. But there’s only so many hobbies a guy can take up and give it the time it needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/21 12:16 AM
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That determination is not up to me, buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/21 12:07 AM
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Many years out of college and the difference is huge. I met hundreds of women in college, dated a few but leaving college there is a race against time. You can’t meet women at work in the #metoo era. You risk your job by saying hi. Random women are uncomfortable with cold approaches unless its a bar, but then you compete against the Chad/PUA crowd waiting to pounce on any women without in ring. Guys below 8/10 are generally filtered out on OLD sites so you have to wait months sometimes for a cru…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/21 10:23 PM
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Just wanted to add the Askwomen Survey data to this post about their preference in male height: https://imgur.com/a/IJ16 Approx 40% of women want their date to be taller than them (while she’s wearing heels) OR very tall (which I believe the standard was 8” taller) So...approx 40% of 5’5” women want their dates to be 5’10” or taller.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/21 05:46 AM
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The main advantage of marriage is to give your offspring a stable environment. Single moms have a rough life. I was raised in a very traditional household, so I benefited greatly by the traditional gender roles of the time. Dad worked, mom stayed home. Otherwise, I don’t see the advantage of marriage today.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/21 02:47 AM
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I didn’t realize Canada was on the list too. But yea, I admit there is danger in too many people being childfree. If we all became childfree we are basically an extinct species in 100 years. We need to maintain a population, I just don’t know what the replacement size should look like. I was told at the start of my career to not rely on social security being there, so I haven’t. Now many think robots will take care of our needs in 30 years. Lets hope they can.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 08:36 PM
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Conflict resolution is a dying art and Relationships have become disposable. Read the relationship subs long enough and discover the overwhelming advice is “just move on with your life.” Have a bad fight? “Forget them, and move on to greener pastures.” Same with careers. HR departments don’t care if you devote your soul to the company you are just another employee, so who cares if you quit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 08:06 PM
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Several reasons: I watched friends and coworkers have their lives completely taken over by parenthood and all its drama and problems. Never had the desire to pass on my lineage. Nothing special about my DNA. The planet is full enough. I like having lots and lots of discretionary income. *
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 06:46 PM
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The sugardaddy culture is basically built on it because there simply aren’t enough young women “experimenting“ to fill the need of all the older men in deadbedrooms or with toxic unattractive housewives.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 06:18 PM
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There are some young women who are looking for mature, powerful men to be in their lives. She is tired of dating “dumb immature guys” and wants to experiment. These women know their “carrot on a stick” is her sexality, and these men know their appeal is their power and maturity. So yes it happens. But ultimately it just becomes a learning experience for young women and just a locker room brag for the older man.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 04:47 PM
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Given your age, there is an aspect of this you may not realize. There is a percentage of men over 30 who have experienced enough LTRs to decide that women make awful life partners/companions for them, but their sex drive still exists as if they were 20. Today’s hookup culture is extremely appealing to them and they take up the mindset that its “all a numbers game”.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 04:10 PM
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BTW, childfree life is the good life. All through my twenties I saw my friends and coworkers stress about their kid problems daily. My advice: if you are solid CF make it your #1 priority to find a CF guy in your city, don’t settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 06:39 AM
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The guys I see in my local gym are 20-25ish. They could ride a skateboard eating a piece of cake and stay thin/healthy at that age. lol. “Lift weights and hold frame” is in the redpill handbook. Sounds like you are mostly avoiding toxic masculinity which is reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 06:22 AM
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What is it about the desire for non-masculine men lately? I didn’t get the memo. Most young American guys are killing themselves in the gym to look badass for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 06:06 AM
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San Francisco would be your “go to“ town for childfree, liberal, rich, non-masculine men. I know the city well.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 05:53 AM
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Honesty? Pretty bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 05:45 AM
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What I hope for: She likes outdoor activities and is in shape enough to keep up with me. Has at least a 5/10 face and a feminine shape. Can laugh at a joke and be easy going, generally positive. Can have rationale and intelligent conversations. No radical feminism Has a mature handle on her emotions. No crybabies or drama. She’s trustworthy Likes animals She‘s not approaching bankruptcy Doesn’t have an N count above 20. What I don’t care about: Breast size or butt shape Her career The size of he…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 05:28 AM
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Too much of today’s socialization comes from texting. Someone needs to invent a college course on live peer socialization. It would help a lot of young adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 08:31 AM
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Well, I remember when I was inexperienced with dating. Talking to friends gives you important social skills of course, but there is something about the dating experience that is next level in terms of socialization (learning the social cues, body language, the art of flirting.)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 08:12 AM
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True, but 80/20 rule contributes to social incompetence/inexperience. No dates = no experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 08:02 AM
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When women pursue men beyond their own looks-match (high preferences), two things happen: She becomes that man’s sexual placeholder until he finds someone better looking that he will commit to. She ignores her actual looks-match who may eventually give up on dating altogether. Pursing men of higher SMV is not the way to find “love, affection, protection, adoration, affirmation, loyalty and honesty.” Thats what men are trying to tell women everyday on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 07:59 AM
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If ugly women are having hookup sex with more attractive men, then fine. But if ugly women are not having success then its really a case of these women not understanding their own SMV and not the fault of ugly men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 07:49 AM
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Are you seriously going to compare stay at home moms to the tragedy of slavery?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 07:38 AM
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If you’re an unattractive man, shouldn’t you have a reasonable expectation that you’ll have some success with unattractive women on an app? That’s the frustration I read mostly about. It’s rare to see an ugly guy complain that Stacy won’t return his messages. Most guys already know they can’t get Stacy. The 80/20 rule is the biggest problem in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 07:24 AM
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I don’t think it had anything to do with forcing women to consider low SMV men. Yikes. Instead of thinking of it as keeping women broke, you might also try thinking of it as indirectly maintaining traditional gender roles at the time. Not saying I’m for it, but there are plenty of women today who stay home and raise their children fulltime. They do not necessarily feel oppressed, many are grateful for the opportunity to be with their children and watch them grow. A recent survey found that a lar…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 07:02 AM
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Good question. I think the dream of most sugar women today is to be paid by attractive men. She can only really access those men if the culture goes truly mainstream. Things affecting price, thus demand How easy is it for an average man to find a date. How acceptable sugaring becomes in female social circles. Legality issues in the future. Which gender will be affected most by the next recession. *
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/21 10:19 PM
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I think women will be more affected by AI. Vast majority of STEM is male. Robots won’t be fixing plumbing, electrical grids, car repair, etc. We could see a future where single women MUST sugar just to survive. Lack of top tier men wanting marriage and her overwhelming lack of desire to settle for less. 1950s housewives were basically sugar babies, they just weren’t blatant as I predict in our OLD digital future.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/21 10:09 PM
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YES. Ding. Ding! Chad would actually prop up the whole damn system. She has no reason to date non-chads so why not also offer BJs to 5/10 STEM guy if it‘s legal and pays her college loan payment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/21 09:56 PM
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Right, but you are thinking today’s prices, not if it goes mainstream. Women pouring into sugaring will cause the price to fall to what the market will pay, but then average guys would have to pay up to date. Thats the point of my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/21 09:51 PM
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What I’m reading is that the OF community is saturated to the point that women can barely pay their car payment with their cam work. Top %5 women make the majority of the money. What I predict with sugaring is that average looking men who lack dating success will be asked to sugar to simply experience dating with women of his looksmatch or greater. This basically due to crushing college debt.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/21 09:47 PM
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But look at the money pouring into cam girls. I’m thinking a mainstream sugar culture would have its price set by the demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/21 09:38 PM
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Arrangements are made on the first date though. Women in sugar relationships are often put on an allowance during girlfriend status. So it’s a step way beyond traditional marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/21 09:36 PM
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I see the appeal to older men. My concern is it growing into traditional dating culture due to today’s male thirst. Imagine a 6/10 guy having to dangle financial incentives in front of a 6/10 woman just to get her to show up to a date?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/21 09:09 PM
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No, my first time on the subject of sugaring here. I see it being up to women now. They control OLD.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/21 08:40 PM
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Prince has royalty level social status that overcame his height. If he had been a pool cleaner he’d be Incel. Manson was 50 years ago, women have changed because of technology and access to millions of men. You can learn about this yourself from research online. A 5’5” man has access to only 25% of the dating pool because of filters, much less if he is facially unattractive. The stat gets worse the shorter he is. This includes: millionaires, chefs, book authors, doctors, etc. Women start with he…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/21 07:05 PM
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THIS is what some women don’t understand. “I can’t find an interesting guy....from the 5% of men I’m attracted to...” —- women
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/21 06:52 PM
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No. Women filter men based on height and attractiveness. They don’t want to learn about you unless you pass thru those filters first.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/21 06:47 PM
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Yea, I personally know a fuckboi and he has a “don’t ask don’t tell“ rule. It has never prevented his dates from moving forward. “Watch what women do, not what they say they do.”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/21 01:10 AM
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I mostly saw social anxiety issues but there ARE ugly women nobody wants. But yea, I stopped lurking after I read a few “why not date your looksmatch“ posts. They don’t want unattractive men, they want men who date down.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 09:49 PM
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Shouldn’t women want “nice guys” then?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 09:16 PM
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If I must... “My lovely wife went from 400lbs to 225lbs and her motivation inspires me daily” ”It took me 5 dates before I had the courage to kiss her on the cheek. No regrets.” ”Parents met growing up in the same neighborhood. Happy 70th wedding anniversary!“ “I fell in love with her 30 years ago, we reconnected again and she said YES 👰🏻.”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 08:39 PM
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You must live in Asia. American women love “big“ everything in men: bodies, wallets, muscles, houses, egos, n-counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 08:22 PM
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White Pill posts be like: “He is short and has no money but he has an amazing personality. I think I’m in love.” ”We‘re getting divorced but I don’t want half. We are just better as friends.” “30F - I’m a virgin and waiting for the ”one”. But I think I found him where I volunteer.” “I found my soul mate. He was an Incel before I helped him emotionally grow.”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 08:01 PM
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Here’s the dumb thing about this, this woman’s story could happen to anyone. A weapon changes the entire story. Even GymRat Chad couldn’t defend her if the felon had a weapon. If she wants real protection she should find a man with wealth. Location is the best defense against violent crime. There was a female incel sub before being banned. There are women suffering from unfixable problems and guys treat them as invisible.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 06:41 PM
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Money still isn’t enough for some women though. You have to be EVERYTHING she dreams of. Case in point: There’s a post on a dating sub where the guy is rich, plans to travel most of the year and doesn’t know how to find women his age (late 30s I think) who could travel with him because most women have careers now. He wanted advice on how to word his dating profile. Responses? There were women actually saying they wouldn’t date him because they’d be jealous of his wealth, or they didn’t want to q…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 04:56 PM
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You have to have positive social experiences to build the confidence to develop a charismatic personality. If you're ugly you face an uphill battle doing this. Women know within seconds if a man is attractive, then know within seconds if he has failed the development of his personality. Most men loose during her first assessment so its a negative feedback loop.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/21 06:43 PM
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Of the men she hasn’t swiped away or walked away from, yes, personality wins. But most women don’t give ugly men an opportunity to highlight his personality. She is already gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/21 06:28 PM
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​ ACKUALLLLLY....You can mostly thank the rise of federal student loan guarantees. College was quite affordable when I graduated decades ago. I think I paid about $10k total, no scholarships, grants or loans. The rise of state assistance into our market based economy mostly created this college debt bubble we have. Colleges just raised tuition to what the new market could bear. Then the rise of women going to college doubled demand without supply keeping up. Young women have just found one way t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/21 12:42 AM
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Is it fair to say that the push to be a two income family eroded away the ability for a one income family to exist comfortably financially? Over the last 30 years, two income families created buying power that, in our supply/demand economy, pushed up prices.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/21 02:09 PM
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Sure the sex is unbelievable but you play with fire. These are the types of women that show up to your house at 3am with a baseball bat to see if you are cheating on her, then she’ll key your car after you won’t answer the door.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 01:07 AM
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I truly think it was something else. Even exposed nurses can return to work after 14 days.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 10:21 PM
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If I liked a woman who had been exposed to COVID I would just say: “Hey, I want to see you again but after a 14-day quarantine.” If she can’t accept that then I have avoided a lot of future arguments with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 09:50 PM
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