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Identifiying what qualitative research doesnt deal with the problem that comparing qualitative data (ability to communicate) to quantitative (separation rates) is in itself going to be a subjective task (as you are going to have to prioritise one based on your subjective opinion). Shouldn't an "academic researcher" already know this? If you are suggesting women can’t communicate without nagging it would suggest the common denominator is you, not them, as that’s not my experience. I spoke from an…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 10:43 PM
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The problem is that you are comparing something which can be measured with figures like divorce rates with something that's more subjective like communication ability. And even so, correlation =/= causation. Women could initiate divorce while still being poor at communicating. Anecdotally, most women Ive met are incapable of communicating without doing so in a toxic manner, i.e. through shaming or nagging. Its my opinion that this is a major contributing factor to subsection of women who are inc…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 09:54 PM
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Men on the other hand get shell-shocked when their wife suddenly divorces them "out of nowhere" as they tend to put it (reality: it's not out of nowhere, it's more likely to be the end result of not taking her emotional, companionship or sexual needs seriously while expecting his to be met 100% constantly)(women will try to communicate the issues verbally which is easily interpreted as nagging or just all-talk-no-action, and men never see the issues because they gauge the overall situation throu…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 07:50 PM
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The potential health implications are the biggest problem imo, my partner should want to be healthy for themselves, not just for me (especially when you add in that I keep myself in shape too). If we want to live a fulfilling life together then the little things like portion control, eating healthy and exercise are all necessary and are not that difficult. Furthermore I would also liken it to basic self maintenance like grooming and washing oneself. If people in this thread are arguing that "lov…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 03:32 PM
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The potential health implications are the biggest problem imo, my partner should want to be healthy for themselves, not just for me (especially when you add in that I keep myself in shape too). If we want to live a fulfilling life together then the little things like portion control, eating healthy and exercise are all necessary. Furthermore I would also liken it to basic self maintenance like grooming and washing oneself. If people in this thread are arguing that "love is love" and how you look…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 03:31 PM
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We both know that for men, looks arent as much of a factor (80-20 rule, Tinder studies highlight this again). Hell what about athletic ability if we want to get into nitty gritty. Theres arguments that these are indicators of high survival ability and ability to provide which is why women tend to like athletes. My point is really that these standards come from somewhere and its clearly not just socialised into us when all around the world other cultures think the same. Its not sexism any more th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 07:28 PM
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Likewise for mens height and looks? Id argue that our preferences are not sexist but rather biological
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 07:22 PM
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Could it be argued as not just a societal standard but an evolutionary one? Id highlight the studies that show corellation between promiscuousness and cheating. Men dont choose loose women due to chance of child not being theirs. My opinion is that, in the same way that women seem have an evolutionary reason to choose tall and handsome men (indicators of health and strenght as provider), men have evolutionary reasoning to choose low count women (less chance of child being someone elses).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 07:20 PM
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Ok so I had a read back of responses just to make sure. You argue that its sexist to apply value soley based on womans virginity. My objection is how is that discriminatory based on ones gender? If a woman only wants a virgin man is that sexist too? Just hypothetically speaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 06:11 PM
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Wait so you dont count the 3somes you had into your n-count?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 06:08 PM
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Yes but you put the label of sexism on it. I could similarly label women as sexist for preferring a tall handsome man and placing my entire value on it. Its over-simplistic and deliberately ignores nuance in order to fit an agenda. Some women do place my entire value on my physical attractiveness and some have a preference for it. Are they similarly walking a "fine line between being just hypocritical and sexist", to borrow your words? By your own argument you have to say yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 06:03 PM
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But I can still say it’s sexist because it’s deciding women are worthless based on being not a blank slate. Yes but my point is that theres a lotta men that fall into the category of prefering a woman with a lower count and not necessarily placing their entire value on it. Its just a factor, one of their preferences. If women can have a preference for a tall handsome man then why cant men have a preference for lower count woman? To me you are looking at this as overly black and white and ignorin…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 06:00 PM
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To be fair theres quite a bit of middleground between a preference for low n-count or even virgin women compared to soley assinging a womans value based her sexual experience. Its my opinion that its just one of those double standards that may or may not benefit you. Im tall and good looking. Woman prefer that, is my value therefore soley based on that for a woman and are women therfore sexist? See the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 05:54 PM
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The distaste for higher n-count isnt about sexual experiences necessarily but rather how easy of a lay you are to obtain. Its just one of those double standards that we have to live with and there are plenty that go the other way too. Do what you like just dont expect others to be as comfortable with it as you are. I have traits that some women dont like either and I dont try to re-adjust society for my benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 05:50 PM
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Sexism is discrimination based on ones gender. How is someone choosing a woman whos abstained from sex sexist? I get it that there's a lotta sexist incels on this sub who want a virgin girl but that doesnt necessarily mean that its sexist to want one. Im genuinely interested in what you have to say in this debate. Have a few other objections too if you are are up for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 05:46 PM
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Being honest then, yes, having slept around less is better. Its not some sexist issue either. Men (like women) like to be made feel special with their partner. If she is easy than they know that they aren't that special to her. Speaking about myself even though I have slept around, I dont indulge as much as I could (as I like to take things slow). One thing that irritates me is is that I know that if a woman didn't want to be with me because of that I wouldn't claim its some sexist mysandrist is…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 05:23 PM
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Id prefer to have a girl whos slept with less than to equal my number assuming everything else is good. To be honest Id hate to take a girls virginity unless I was ready to settle down and commit. Most my hoe fiends would probably look at it as a badge of honour tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 05:15 PM
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The best "people" person you will meet doesnt need to go out of his way to make friends. Tbh I feel bad for these types, they kind of remind me of Pete Campbell from Madmen. You can see how they try mimic those who have this natural charisma and either go overboard or cant quite pull it off due to lacking that spark. At the same time they can be arrogant at their perceived "people person" status despite being deeply insecure. I see a lotta wannabe players like this too who have watched youtube v…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 12:03 AM
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Can vouch for this too as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/21 08:15 PM
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You could argue that you can measure it through your ability to make friends/ get along with people but then again theres so many Ive met who described themselves as a "people person" that would just approach others first with the most mundane conversation. No real character at all just surface level observations.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/21 08:13 PM
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Exactly this. I have a friend group of guys who are all relatively attractive and sleep around. The types of women described in op are the type they would sleep with but not the type that they would date. Women need to realise that men with options (i.e. men who are both physically attractive and charismatic) wont settle if you arent fun to be around and if you cant cuff a man you are attracted than its likely that your personality isnt all that. To be fair some men wont settle either way but if…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/21 08:09 PM
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I think that men can love women without having to marry them. They could have seen the problems of marriage growing up or even in the media and know that signing a contract with fallible person is risky.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 08:27 AM
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I think like many people I have an ideal list of traits of a long term partner in my head but for the time being most women dont measure up so I keep it casual. Im in no rush to settle down either so theres that to it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 08:23 AM
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Sounds like you’re assuming a lot about me and trying to piece things together to find a way to make this personal. Why do you think you’re doing that? Are you defensive Very interesting. Usually projection isnt this blatant. Moving on, why do all these men stop bothering with you? Why cant you keep them invested? You need to admit your own faults and understand that theres a possibility (that increases drastically the more men who lose interest in you) that you played a part. If you cant then y…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 04:06 PM
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She wouldn’t need to replace you if you were good for her. I tend to find that its the most fragile people who look at relationships like this, almost as some competition that has be won. Just reading how you phrase the comment you make it so that you are the one in control. You get to replace them. Theres no middleground of admission of both of your flaws, just theirs. Why cant you admit that it was just time for both of you to move on? Hes not bothered to invest and neither are you. Why do you…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 03:53 PM
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Who are the original content creators of TRP theory? How do they fit into this description of yours? I'm not an expert in TRP lore but I'm pretty sure you'd get a lot more out of the most popular TRP "scholars" than just Ill answer this in morning and make a list. Good night.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 11:16 PM
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So you were talking actual politics, as far as i have seen the only people who involve politics with TRP are feminist critics of TRP. I can't even remember to have seen a mention of politics with TRP besides when they talk of targeting women demographics for optimal results of their goal Ever hear the phrase "based and redpilled"? As far as i am aware even the guys who started TRP and wrote those books are all in LTRs, everyone wants to fuck around for some time but LTR is an eventuality for any…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 06:26 PM
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I feel like a lotta the questions you asked were already answered in that comment but Ill still try adress your individual objections and expand on what I was saying. Basically anything thats not "left wing" these days is labeled redpill with there occasionally being minute cross-over. What do you mean with this? Redpill isnt meant to be a political idealogy per se, even if much of the influence arose from Machievelian politics. I have a problem with conflicting ideologies such as trad-cons, inc…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 05:12 PM
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Most women according to studies prefer a mixture of these visual/physical traits, but then in areas where there is a lot of disease women prefer more ”Chad” physical traits.) This still sounds like redpill. Trp is saying that attraction is diverse and that while looks or "chad physical traits" as you called them are an advantage, they are not the only factor. And can you link the study? Does "chad" traits mean these sexual dymophic traits like large jaws and shoulder width? Or is it muscle, whic…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 04:16 PM
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Ya thats fair enough. Basically anything thats not "left wing" these days is labeled redpill with there occasionally being minute cross-over. Another example is how trad-cons are now apparently a part of trp community despite the totaly liberal view on sex being well established in trp which is completely at odds with trad-con itself. MGTOW and Incels are similiar to trp in many ways to be fair - they understand that what we were told growing up about life is not true but how they deal with it c…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 03:23 PM
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You have read second hand accounts that are inherently less valid. Ever wonder why you are told to read the sidebar everytime you ask a question on trp sub? Because thats where the redpill theory comes from. No piece of rp text is telling you that looks dont matter and all you have to do is be a "chad" or "alpha". Only blackpillers are saying that. Theres always a more nuanced and comprehensive understanding of attraction that includes but is not limited to looks that redpill understands and wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 03:10 PM
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Trp makes it feel like beauty and alpha traits are everything Trp is much more comprehensive than that and what you are understanding is blackpill, not redpill. Refer to my other comment for explanation on redpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 02:58 PM
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. It seems to cover everything from what you've just discussed, right up to quasi-blackpill beliefs. Tell me about it. The worst part is these uber-misogynists just create more of themselves in the sub by parroting off their own misunderstanding of trp as "advice" while never having read the core texts that inspired it. The community is just sad now.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 02:25 PM
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Thats not redpill though. Not to be rude but most people don't understand redpill and make assumptions over vague statements they have heard others say. Essentially redpill theory understands that there is a multitude of a factors that result in attraction including personality, career and looks. The core understanding of trp is that personality is the most important and that while other factors like status (or career) and looks make it easier, you can become more attractive through battering yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 02:18 PM
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You described redpill theory
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 02:07 PM
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That’s literally why this sub exists. Because women have power over the dating market and men don’t like it. Thats not the reason the sub exists
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 02:05 PM
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Should I leave my credit card details here?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 10:18 PM
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I would not say that many do but I think that adhering to utilitarian worldview just isnt practical in the context of dating. The utilitarian focus on maximising overall happiness sounds great but are you really obliged to maximise someone elses happiness in something as potentially intimate as a date? What if you have to do things you are uncomfortable with like buy them expensive gifts or have sex or whatever? We dont have to do these things and theres nothing wrong with that either. Putting y…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 10:16 PM
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I guess it depends on their definition of good and whether they themselves actually measure up too.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 04:25 PM
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Thats quite funny because you see many women say that men who sleep with women they arent going to commit to are "lying by omission". This right here is the exact same thing. These women are lying by omission of their view on sex, which by the same logic is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 07:00 PM
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Respectfully I still disagree with the original excuse that these women are merely "vetting" men for a relationship by waiting for sex. It just sounds like women trying to rationalise and justify the fact that they sleep with some men asap because he makes them feel a certain way and then dont with others because he doesn't make them feel that same way. To be clear I dont think that theres anything necessarily wrong with this but lying to the man about your view on sex isnt right as you cant bui…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 06:49 PM
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But if he finds out that she sleeps with random men asap but not with him he will perceive it as him not being attractive enough to her (and then he gets hurt). This in turn will make him less attracted to her and not feel the same way. See the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 06:37 PM
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Do you consider sugaring to be a sing of success? I know most men would be disgusted by a girl who did it and wouldn't wife up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 06:39 PM
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I learned those terms from TRP though Doesnt make them rp. Pua can be argued to be a distant offshoot of rp ideology but in reality the core of trp is focusing on ones self rather than women. Black is just a darker shade of red. Both believe in the same things, but red pillers decided to go lifting while incels gave up. There is minute crossover but redpill is about as similiar to blackpill as bluepill ideology is. Your colour analogy simply doesnt work here and your inability to accept that you…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 04:11 PM
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It's very true, and it's also the biggest blind spot TRP has: social game TRP seems like it's all about loner game: online dating, cold approaches, pumping and dumping women, ghosting them, not caring about them for more than a wet whole, etc Thats Pua which =/= trp Also, social game has nothing to do with having an alpha personality, as this will only be detrimental for social game. If you are known as a selfish douche that plays mind games they will warn all her friends. A nice, empathetic and…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 03:02 PM
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Take it on board. Usually theres things you want too. Communication isnt that hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 02:59 PM
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Ill never understand this mindset. Fds users seem to have it too - see their hatred for "chad" who pumped and dumped them. How could such a travesty occur to a fds queen?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 01:37 PM
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No ones perfect and everyone can improve. This is why trp users actually succeed in their goal while fds have to buy themselves promise rings and chocolates on valentines day. I cringe at both these groups but you cant argue that trp isn't effective.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 01:33 PM
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If you are working out you recognise you arent in shape. If you are focusing on your career you recognise you arent where you want to be yet. If you arent good at socialising and decide to practice then you recognise that you are lacking. Critique the users of trp all you like but the core philosophy is self improvement which can only come from self reflection. Conversely fds makes women think that they already are perfect, preventing them from reflecting and growing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 11:12 AM
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Self reflection is necessary for personal growth
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 09:42 AM
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Playing devils advocate here but do you think that women should similarly "change how they act" if they want high value men to stop pumping and dumping them?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 07:58 PM
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I assume that they thought that sharing the truth would dampen their chances of future sex? Or they didn't want to "hurt my feelings? The second one. I generally have a neutral feeling towards these women but dont actively want to cause pain by telling them that. Women might say that they want honesty but from experience I know that the majority will go crazy if you tell them that. They've always blamed work or had some other non-reason. Sometimes you really are busy and this new girl who keeps …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 07:31 AM
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I assume that they thought that sharing the truth would dampen their chances of future sex? Or they didn't want to "hurt my feelings? The second one. I generally have a neutral feeling towards these women but dont actively want to cause pain by telling them that. Women might say that they want honesty but from experience I know that the majority will go crazy if you tell them that. They've always blamed work or had some other non-reason. Sometimes you really are busy and this new girl who keeps …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 07:31 AM
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Can you share what you mean by “a lot going on?” Yes of course. So after that initial burst of attraction I obviously want to learn more about a girl. A lot of the time Ill date girls who are nice and cute but whos pastimes only consist of watching Netflix/ YouTube and going out with friends. They arent interesting or unique and I lose attraction when I see that Im quickly becoming the only thing in their life. Theres nothing explicitly wrong with the above but Ive had times where girls like thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 10:18 PM
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I dont think my race was fetishized even though I have dated girls of different races but I know my perceived class was. I went to a fairly decent uni where there was a lot of upper to upper middle class. I didn't stand out per say but I did come from working class background and had some rough mates back home. This led to some women seeing me as something I was not and trying to get me to act a certain way even though I was doing my best to make something of myself (drugs, stealing, fights etc)…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 02:24 PM
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Im not quite sure what the q means op
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 02:11 PM
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As long as I don't make any promises to them then no I do not feel bad. Women today are perfectly capable of making their own decisions and its sexist to treat them as incapable children. This is however coming from someone who isnt totally against a relationship but it takes more than a few dates to decide. I expect to get downvoted for this but many women just arent that interesting and have nothing going on in their lives. It doesnt mean I dislike them it just means that I dont feel anything …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 01:31 PM
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I remember in the early days of trp one of the main texts recommended was this book wrote by a pimp on how to manage women. It was one of the foundation of redpill theory but I cant remember the name.
/r/askTRP03/06/21 03:20 PM
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This is bad advice op and a clear revenge fantasy. Dont dig through the trash. Its one of the main rules of trp
/r/askTRP03/06/21 12:52 PM
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Agree and amplify Basic trp, read the sidebar because you cant rely on trp to answer every question you have.
/r/askTRP02/06/21 09:21 PM
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Thats deliberately disingenous argument though. There undeniably is unfair laws but that doesnt mean I cant try avoid them or have to move country if I dont like it. Most of these laws tend to come from what we as humans deem fair - you are misconstruing this and saying what's fair is the law when that clearly is not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 10:10 AM
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See it does make it flawed if your whole concept of fairness is based of the law.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 09:13 AM
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Squaters rights are essentially a law in Uk where if squaters squat in your property you cannot physically remove them for a 9-12 months no matter what they are doing. I know someone whos childhood home was absolutely destroyed by squaters with no legal recourse. The point I was making is that these laws are quite clearly used unfairly in the modern context and so basing your understanding off fairness of whats lawful is inheritantly flawed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 09:06 AM
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The problem is you frame it as men as a whole needing to be proactive to get dates when clearly this isnt the case for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 12:12 AM
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Ya Im just countering that specific point of yours. I agree that the unrealistic standards of porn are for sure harmful
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 11:33 PM
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But this isn't the case for any moderately attractive or successful man. Anecdotal evidence admitably but I barley put in any effort and try keep to myself and have women hitting me up fairly regularly, get approached on nights out etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 11:32 PM
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Couldn't op simply adjust it to include the unrealistic romance standards set by film and media? Like in any romcom. Fuck it, even look at Pam and Jim in the office. That woman almost ruins that man's career because hes following something hes passionate in and not giving her attention she wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 11:26 PM
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Men and women are wired differently though- you are conversely seeing a rise in steroid abuse amongst the average gym bro in order to fit into the idealised male beauty image.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 11:04 AM
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Unrelated but has anyone noticed the increase in obvious plastic surgery? Unnaturally sized boob jobs and blatant lip fillers both look disgusting to me yet more women seem to be getting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 10:54 AM
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A lot of laws are used in whats considered to be an "unfair" way too. They might have been created from a moral sense but theres plenty of laws that fuck ordinary people over (see "squaters rights", how the archaic alimony laws tend to favour women in an era where we consider women to be strong and independent, etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 08:37 AM
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Male comedians who make jokes about their dicks are universally considered to be hacky. Conversely for the longest time women making these types of jokes were considered to be edgy and against the grain in a sense. Its only recently that Schumar has been getting pushback.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 09:49 PM
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For more context, the Red Pill pushes that you should be trying to sleep with a woman you’re romantically attracted to as early as possible. However, in the context of looking for a long term relationship, that doesn’t seem right. This isnt actually true. The redpill is notoriously anti-ltr and rather expresses sleeping with multiple women, i.e. "rotating plates" so when one flakes or irritates them in some way they can "next" and immediately get sex from someone else. Contrary to what the red p…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 04:40 PM
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For more context, the Red Pill pushes that you should be trying to sleep with a woman you’re romantically attracted to as early as possible. However, in the context of looking for a long term relationship, that doesn’t seem right. This isnt actually true. The redpill is notoriously anti-ltr and rather expresses sleeping with multiple women, i.e. "rotating plates" so when one flakes or irritates them in some way they can "next" and immediately get sex from someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 04:36 PM
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Lol look up Derek from the YouTube channel "more plates more dates". Hes this steroid abuser and looks maxer who has dog shit muscle insertions meaning that despite his muscularity he looks like a piece of chewed up gum. Hes repulsive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/21 04:47 PM
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It sounds like a revenge fantasy for homesexual men who have been bullied. "the bullies are the real losers"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/21 10:48 AM
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Not even Michael Jackson could pull that shit off And he was a smooth criminal
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 10:39 PM
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I didn't downvote. Did it say I did? Genuinely asking because I wasn't even aware you could downvote people on here (I only see one pill clicker thing). I see them same but my own comment shows me if im at 0 for example so I assumed you downvoted anyone who disagreed with you. Even if he didn't mean it seriously that's still not the point. Reread my prior comment. Locker room talk normalizes degrading speech and harmful behavior against women. And that brings me back to my previous objection. If…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 09:52 PM
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trump is just saying this because he actually believes it to be true. The thing is you are making an assumption. You dont actually know he meant it seriously and people reading words on a page without context of conversation, experiences of the participants or how it was delivered dont actually know how that person meant it. And did you really downvote me for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 09:28 PM
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Im not defending Trump but sometimes theres an element of how you say things in conversation that can drastically change how its perceived. We look at this transcript and at first glance they are pretty disgusting but what if hes saying it in a completely joking tone? Its an unfunny joke but it becomes remarkably less harmful. I would liken it to how there was lazy this wave of journalism recently that would go to controversial comedians sets and write down tidbits from their routine that sound …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 09:08 PM
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Op you are aware that there are so called "trainwrecks" in each of those categories ranging from hot to ugly and dating down does not change fundamental personality flaws?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 09:01 PM
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The original question is the same as the current question. I know this for a fact because I made the post and then added the subreddit as a supplement. You are factually incorrect about this. No ifs or buts or maybes. You are wrong. Ok? Every time you try re-assert that the question was about the subreddit you are giving me another argumentative W. Also you downvoted me while making demands, if you are going to ask someone for something, least you can do is be polite about it. If you're going to…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 08:56 PM
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As a straight man I can comfortably say that this is not true. I dont see gay men as rampant rapists unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 04:32 PM
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Straight men are seemingly threatened by the thought of a man in his orbit and potentially entering his orifices. Why would straight men be threatened by homosexual/bi men?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 04:04 PM
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Im not downvoting you. So is that a yes or a no? Can you not give me a straight answer? To the person with average reading comprehension skills thats a blatant no. You asked for an opinion, you got one. I dont owe you anything but Im feeling generous, I asked a question about a certain subcategory of women. You failed to answer the question but rather critique the subreddit. You wouldnt have embarrassed yourself if you had answered the question. but in future some manners would be nice, is it re…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 07:38 PM
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Im not downvoting you. Its a debate sub and goes against the core message. Look, you made a vague claim about the subreddit that sounds to me like its completely made up or exaggerated. Surely you can prove it? For the sake of argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 09:54 AM
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Your original post was asking for women's thoughts on that subreddit. Your reading comprehension skills are lacking. The title of the post has remained the same. The subreddit was only listed as a supplement to understand the types of women listed. Many women who responded then decided to critique the sub rather than answer the q. So I removed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 09:50 AM
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An opinion that is on the fence? ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 09:48 AM
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46.1% of single mothers are divorced or widowed. I found data based on the 2015 census in America and think maybe you mixed up one of those stats. What I found said that only 1.2% were widowed and 40.6% of single mothers are currently divorced or separated. Can you provide a source for your claim? Because your figures seems remarkably high. Unless we are actually quoting the same source and you mixed up a similiar stat which is very well possible. Alas. So that leaves 52% who had kids out of wed…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 09:37 AM
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Many marriages end for reasons that would not be foreseeable at the outset. This includes death. 11% of ALL women aged 18-65 are widows. They're not some rare, mythical species. Still a small slice of the pie with the older ages no doubt adding to the figure. Also the women Im on about are generally in the late 30s-40s range. Do you have stats on widows in that bracket? 5% of all unplanned pregnancies happen to women who were using a reliable contraceptive as directed - were they psychically sup…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 10:39 PM
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We do. Im not disagreeing here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 10:25 PM
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Im not moving the goalposts here and any interpretation of such is fallacious. What Im arguing: Single parenthood is an indication of poor decision making skills. There are exceptions of course. But if you cant select a partner who you will be compatible with or conceive a child with/ get married to then your decision making skills are lacking and you most likely are impulsive. I then say that most single parents are not capable as most people in general are not capable. The latter just proves t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 10:11 PM
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I removed the link because many people on here apparently arent intelligent enough to answer the question but rather critique the sub. In relation to your claim as it was posted before I removed the link, I believe could very well be made up which is why I asked for proof which you did not give. Surely you can retrace your steps on the sub to find it?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 10:06 PM
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does that mean half of all people just have poor judgement, or that the outcome of marriage is unpredictable The former is exactly what Im saying. The average person is not that capable. Women could also be widows. Contraceptives can fail. Women who don't have a partner but want children can be a single parent by choice. Unless you choose to have unprotected sex or there was an obvious red flag with a partner (which is highly subjective), being a single mother doesn't really indicate anything ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 10:01 PM
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Link?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 09:24 PM
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Having said that it still doesn't disprove my hypothesis that single parenthood indicates poor decision making skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 09:23 PM
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Spot on. The comments are generally a cesspool. The main problem I had with this post was listing the subreddit. Most women ignored the question and critiqued the sub which was not the point of this so I removed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 09:22 PM
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Thanks for the level headed response. This thread has gotten the fds users riled up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 09:20 PM
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Interesting but the extremes would affect it surely? I remember the 50 % stat floating around a while ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 09:18 PM
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A response which I absolutely agree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 09:16 PM
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Fence sitting is fun
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 09:15 PM
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Not necessarily. You made the objection to op which I responded to. Please fire ahead. Willingly inform me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 09:11 PM
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Femcels are already a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 09:10 PM
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You tell me
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 09:09 PM
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Im quite sure they dont and thats part of the problem
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 09:08 PM
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How is anyone meant to predict which person they can stay with and be happy with indefinitely? But plenty of people do. Im not being one sided either, its poor decision making on both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 09:07 PM
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Not who you are arguing with but marriage/having a child are the ultimate commitments and not being able to select someone who you will stay with indicates poor decision making for both parties.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 09:05 PM
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Having said that, what do you think of these types of women? Im specifically talking about the entitled ones that subscribe to the list of traits listed in op.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 08:58 PM
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I would understand if the single parents has unreasonably high standards but a lot of submissions are just women stating they have a child which is honest. Any actual examples? Ive seen the complaint from a few women already but specificy is key. Not defending the sub either, it represents a lower class of women and the comments are usually toxic. But I would like some examples rather than vague statements.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 08:54 PM
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Looks like a sub that picks certain things to post that fits their narrative. But that is how these niche subs work. Just how we understand that r/niceguys doesnt represent the average man most understand that this isnt the average woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 08:52 PM
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Theres a lotta trash you have to dig through but I wouldn't go as far as 1/10 being relevant. About 5-7/10 are decent, especially the Tinder screencaps. The comments are fairly misogynistic though so beware
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 08:51 PM
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Agreed Also, the comments are generally not the best but the tinder screencaps usually show some interesting pieces
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 08:49 PM
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Honey, I'm just being me and you keep insulting me about my personality. Why should I give you the benefit of the doubt when you don't stop and even go further? You are deliberately misinterpreting something as an insult in an attempt to get some sort of argumentative win because lets face it, the rest of you points are either weak (eg: anecdotes or the "you know x is y" argument you used) or flat out wrong (the fact you claimed that the data misproved my point). If your argument is sufficiently…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 04:58 PM
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assuming you actually believe its strong enough to do so. Theres quite a difference between something meant as an insult (such as you repeatedly attempting to portray me as some sort of hateful incel whos bitter at women) and promoting a fundamental value that most great writers and philosophers hold (i.e. letting your argument stand on its own 2 feet and not resorting to juvenile digs to get your point across). How could someone who presents themselves as tough skinned be sensitive to something…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 03:09 PM
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That was me trying. I have no idea how to turn myself down an extra nudge. Most people...really don't have a problem with me that quickly. Being impartial and non-emotional is always the best approach to debates. Let your argument speak for itself, assuming you actually believe its strong enough to do so. These women know it. You know it because you're complaining about it. I dont care if these women want to grovel for the hwm or settle for the lwm. They are free to do as they like. And "you kno…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 02:28 PM
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Very aggressive response. Is it really necessary? Moving on: BUT HE DOESN'T WANT 80%. They can want him all they want, he doesn't want them The point that the average man makes is that the hwm doesn't even have to try to get a girl (6s and 7s are readily available to the top 20%) because these women actively seek these men. The top 20 percent of men do want these women to an extent as they will sleep with them but mostly not commit to them. The average man is always second best because women who…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 02:00 PM
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Lol Im not actually the type of man Im arguing for here so the attempt at getting personal really isnt hitting home. Essentially we are comparing the quintessential "average man" with the high value man. The high value man, i.e. a man in top 20 percent of men has his pick of the majority of women as studies show that 80 percent of women want the top 20 percent men. The average man (i.e. 80 percent of men) only has his pick of the bottom 20 percent of women. You argued that if the higher value ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 01:42 PM
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I dont think you are disagreeing with me though?.. Im confused
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 01:31 PM
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Thats the point. The average man barely gets any.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 01:23 PM
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Fair enough. Do you think blaming a woman for staying with a domestic abuser is similiarly the correct stance to take?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 01:12 PM
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Not op but this is where the 80/20 stat comes into play. Essentially the famous Tinder Study showed that 80 percent of women want the top 20 percent of men. So men who are high 7s plus can have their pick while average men who are in the 6s down doesnt have a proportional pick of less attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 01:06 PM
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Op isnt this just victim blaming? i.e., The same thing modern feminists are fighting against?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 03:08 PM
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You’re a reflection of who you spend time with Not necessarily. And again, the qualities I look for in a mother can be quite different to what I look for in a friend. What's seen as a bonus for a friend can be seen as a negative in a life partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 04:04 PM
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I don’t see the point in holding a different set of standards for platonic vs romantic relationships Quite a strange view. Your male friends arent going to bare your children.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 03:29 PM
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Ya they are associated with "thotty" behaviour too. Obviously women can do what they want with their body's but the most forward women I have met have had tattoo's and most men have similiar stories.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 10:34 AM
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Out of interest op have you read any actual sources of trp or just seen second hand opinions of it/toxic black pillers and make your judgement off that?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/21 06:03 PM
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Cringe. You post doesnt have a point or a question, its just you bitching about your dad being mean to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/21 02:02 PM
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This isnt your diary op.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/21 01:58 PM
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You arent really the people Im arguing against then.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/21 03:56 PM
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You think women draw the line at slut shaming only one guy? tbh I think slut shaming is acceptable anyway. It isn't good for society to allow promiscuity As long as you are consistent with that view. Its socially unacceptable for men to slut shame in most western societies yet male slut shaming is apparently fine. Its just a contradiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/21 03:03 PM
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In the same way "nice guys" and incels try rationalise women as sluts is a revenge fantasy, women calling men who wouldn't commit to them "fuckboys" or players is too. Its quite literally male slut shaming yet its widely accepted.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/21 01:54 PM
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So re-submit under cmv?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/21 01:52 PM
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Its the community itself and the more prominent figures that shape how its perceived. If it was written and presented differently it would be perceived differently too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 11:17 AM
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I think the more advanced facets of trp which includes ltr and marriage inherently include what are perceived as "blue pill" traits (comfort tests being the most prominant example). Apart from that most of trp is actually solid life advice packaged in a more dramatic way in what is generally a misogynistic community (usually because the most vocal are beginners who are going through their blackpill phase). For example: being a man on a mission and prioritising said mission (having goals and stic…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 10:47 AM
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Elliot Rodger is probably the most famous example
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 03:04 PM
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Im not against commiting to someone for the rest of my life and having a family with them but I am against marriage. Its an archaic system thats completely destroyed the balance of power and pushed it heavily in womens favour. If a woman truly loves me they will understand and if they aren't interested then I can know that I have lost likely dodged a bullet (unless they are extremely traditional)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 02:51 PM
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Thats fine as long as you are similarly subscribing to traditional roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 04:22 PM
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Ya this isnt even a women vrs men issue, its an unlucky women vrs creepy men issue. Dont harrass people and you will be fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 03:33 PM
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I don't understand. Being traditional man is seen by you as a choice (because of values, lifestyle), but a woman is modern as a default. I didnt say that. I said a lot of women and not necessarily all. Theres also modern women who sleep around and then try larp as traditional in their later years to get a traditional man. But they cant be traditional women if they have slept around. Your op is too vague. There have been posts here by hypocritical women before which is why I needed to clarify if …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 03:28 PM
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Say your man doesnt want to go. Hes happy as is and doesn't want to subscribe to archaic and sexist societal expectations of paying at all. How would you react?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 03:15 PM
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See its seen as hypocritical to be a modern woman with modern values (equality, independence etc) while wanting a man with traditional values (formed in a time where men were meant to provide) such as paying the bills, taking you out on dates and buying gifts. Its the question that makes self proclaimed "queens" seeth when brought up. Not saying that the above is you necessarily but there are a lot of women on this sub who are hypocrites.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 03:12 PM
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I have a few clarifying questions op: Would you describe yourself as a feminist? If yes, how do you rationalise your man paying for dates? Would you be ok with your man simply not taking you out to expensive restaurants, holidays, trips etc? If he didn not , how would you respond?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 02:45 PM
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I think the problem is some women want to get the best of both worlds and want to pick and choose their equality. We would have to get op to clarify her position
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 02:42 PM
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Interesting thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 10:04 AM
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Those stats are purely based on dating website that showed women went for 20 percent of men right? Surely it would be different in real life social context.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 11:47 PM
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Ive been approached by plenty of women so I really dont understand this rationale.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 11:09 PM
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Dont shit where you eat is generally good advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 11:07 PM
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Grow up and stop being a child. My words sting because they are true. I you cant express distaste without shouting or being passive aggressive then there is something fundamentally wrong with you. Ive obviously reported your comment too so when its removed no one will be able to see the dribble you posted.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 02:06 PM
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Tell that the boyfriend you dont have. Shouting is an extreme reaction and is very rarely warranted. If you act like that irl the people around you will actively cut you out.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 01:26 PM
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Some would argue that its been pushed down a few years. In soccer you have Ronaldo and Zlatan still dominating despite being in their mid to late 30s. In boxing you had Floyd Mayweather dominating into his late 30s, Wladmir Klitschko too. In general though around 28-33 is usually the peak of most athletes these days. Its where the peak athletic ability and experience converge.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 01:25 PM
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So in other words right now you are wrong and want to change the rules so you can be correct. This makes much more sense when I saw your comments elsewhere. You are salty that despite sleeping with 24 guys, you dont have a bf because none them are interested in you. This is quite clearly a revenge fantasy for you because you are too low value to get a bf. Straight incel tier
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 07:55 AM
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Shes absolutely pathetic. When she gets countered she goes and spouts the same nonsense verbatim in a new thread. I literally exposed her for not reading her own source that disproves her claim and she just rinses and repeats. It makes more sense when you see her comments elsewhere. Shes slept with 24 guys and doesnt have a bf because they werent interested in her. This is quite clearly a revenge fantasy for her because shes too low value to get a bf.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 07:50 AM
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I see it quite regularly on the sub where I will counter someones argument and they will just go to a new thread and repeat it verbatim.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 07:24 AM
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Makes sense thanks for the response
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 12:11 AM
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You are attempting to redefine a law into something it isnt. In other words you admitted that you are wrong so you are trying to change the rules. This is purely a revenge fantasy. Go on, try to prove its not.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 12:10 AM
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Fair enough. Are you a mod?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 12:07 AM
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You glanced at the definition and misunderstood it as meaning that lieing about interest in relationships or income for example would be classed as rape by deception when in reality the law has only been applied to convict those of tricking or lying about their use of contraception. Theres an example of a case that tried to use your rationale where 2 undercover policeman lied about their identities to attain sex. Crown Prosecutors declined to prosecute on the basis that legally, the actions woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 12:03 AM
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All this arguing and you still haven't read your source. It literally disproves your entire argument. If the foundations of your argument are faulty than the whole structure crumbles. Dont you get that? The refusal to actually read your own source is astonishing. And you are the one who posted it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 12:02 AM
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Read her source. It disproves her own argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 11:58 PM
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Theres an option to report personal attacks and trolling though?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 11:57 PM
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Shes completely misunderstanding rape by deception. He own source disproves her argument. Shes been exposed on a few threads and she just jumps to a new one and copy and pastes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 11:56 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/mz7l3i/so_if_men_want_sex_then_all_they_need_to_do_is/gvzlsix?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 I proved her wrong on one comment thread and she would just go off onto a new one and repeat the argument verbatim. I had to expose that her source disproved her argument on like 4 different comment threads. This is one of them. Absolute lunacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 11:52 PM
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Dm me if necessary. I similarly couldn't find figures on percentage of crimes commited by re-offenders so I had to calculate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 11:49 PM
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The law cant be applied that way because it goes against the very meaning of it. Thats like saying just because a law against speeding hasnt been applied to Usain Bolt doesnt mean it wont next time he sets a world record. Thats not how it works. Just read your source. Seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 11:46 PM
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Calling men rapists is quite offensive no?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 11:42 PM
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Anyone else in absolute awe at the "rape by deception" girl who posted a source that disproves her own claim? Absolute lunacy. Kind of hilarious to watch at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 11:29 PM
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Her own sources disprove her claim. She has wilfully misinterpreted rape by deception after glancing at the definition but if you read her own source it proves her argument wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 11:20 PM
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You glanced at the definition and misunderstood it as meaning that lieing about interest in relationships or income for example would be classed as rape by deception when in reality the law has only been applied to convict those of tricking or lying about their use of contraception. Theres an example of a case that tried to use your rationale where 2 undercover policeman lied about their identities to attain sex. Crown Prosecutors declined to prosecute on the basis that legally, the actions woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 11:15 PM
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Thanks. Much appreciated your amicable and well written approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 11:05 PM
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If you want a laugh read her own source. It quite literally disproves her argument because she misinterpreted the meaning. Quite embarrassing on her part. The wiki article literally lists cases right under.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 11:01 PM
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I guess this is going to be something we just disagree with. Its admittedly anecdotal on both sides. On a side note did you ever get back to my comment on crime statistics out of interest? Not sure if it was removed but I went into stats and figures.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 10:58 PM
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Called it in a previous comment. So it was an attempt at revenge fantasy by yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 10:55 PM
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Mate shes actually completed misinterpreted the meaning. Her own source shows shes completely incorrect. When confronted she trys sass her way out of with emojis rather than addressing it. Absolutely hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 10:54 PM
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Hard luck. It gets easier the more you do it but when you get good at putting your ideas together coherently its quite satisfying. I see you understand now as you haven't posted your source again. It a punch to the ego to be wrong about something you so confidently argue for but thats a good thing. Gold luck to you, hopefully you wont make this mistake again.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 10:45 PM
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Read your source, you are factually incorrect. I sometimes feel bad being so harsh but its necessary for people like yourself to grow. You will likely read up on sources next time to avoid the same humiliation you faced here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 10:41 PM
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You dont understand rape by deception. Read your source, you are completely misinterpreting it. Your interpretation of rape by deception isnt illegal because the women consent to the sex. Read your own source and you will see similiar cases. This is truly embarrassing for you. Im assuming you heard the definition somewhere else and lazily applied it to the current thread? Again, read up on your own sources first before forming a view not after. You've completely embarrassed yourself now by doing…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 10:37 PM
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He says he wants a ltr a with a high value woman. A HVW is rare and so he casually sleeps around with lower value women for the time being. Just because he doesnt want to commit to a lower value woman does not mean that he isnt against commiting, only against commiting to them. This is purely revenge fantasy for the women who couldnt snag the man they liked. "If he doesnt want me then hes just a fuckboy player who wont commit to anyone", therefore protecting their ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 10:33 PM
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Not settling down with lower quality women, yes. Thats how it works for these types of men. Stop tying to protect your fragile ego and accept that some men are simply happier to keep searching and are open to a ltr only with a woman who meets his standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 10:24 PM
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Do you actually read your own sources further than than the definition? It literally gives you examples of cases so that you can understand how its applied and you still use it wrong. The standard here is abhorrent. Cant you atleast read your own source? You are misunderstanding the concept based on your 5 second glance at the definition. How you speak with such arrogance and conviction is beyond me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 10:19 PM
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Are women who get alimony rapists? I mean they do fit the literal definition of divorce rapists right? See how ridiculous that is?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 10:11 PM
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This is the talk of a woman who wasnt good enough to earn exclusivity. The simple fact is even the biggest players settle down eventually, it just takes someone more special and unique and you dont fit the bill. Your ego cant allow that so you try rationalise is as him simply not being able to commit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 10:09 PM
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Report them and move on. Hopefully mods will do their job.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 09:45 PM
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Not interested in a relationship with those women, yes. We arent children. We all understand that both genders are allowed to hook up without expecations of exclusivity. Op is probably the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 09:43 PM
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Ya I head out with my mates loads just to watch matches or fights or have a few drinks. Lads night out is fairly common in Uk and Im assuming everywhere else too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 09:42 PM
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Im not one of those men in their 30s but if you want to know just ask OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 09:41 PM
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I hate reddits overuse of fallacies when they dont understand what they mean but this is a quite clear example of strawman and an association fallacy. Your argument is basically: "x were true then y wouldn't occur" Heres an equally invalid argument that uses the same rationale : If women really liked sex then they would never turn it down" Both this and your argument can be countered with "not all ___ " or "it depends on context" because they are fundamentally poor arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 09:30 PM
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Lying about wanting a relationship is a dick move but equating them as rapists is a huge stretch.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 09:22 PM
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I disagree with you. From experience a womans outburst is often made less of a deal off. Imagine a male coworker vrs a female coworker having a moment. People pay more heed to the male because hes physically more of a threat and men are expected to keep their emotions in check.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 09:12 PM
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Do you actually know you are wrong? Is there going to be any accountability?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 08:56 PM
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A relationship with someone who fits that criteria Im assuming is what they mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 07:45 PM
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And in my experience women often nag in the above contexts. To be fair I don't think we are actually disagreeing but pointing out different contexts of using the word.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 06:22 PM
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You definition of nag is again too vague. Theres no universal list of standards but in general a nag would be someone who keeps asking for something (when the person is busy and will later do what they asked or isnt going to do what they asked because they are uncomfortable with it.) Calling someone a nag in the above context makes sense and is right. Calling someone a nag in your context is wrong. This is why I said its contextual. Understand now?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 06:15 PM
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The point is that theres no definitive right or wrong. Its not exactly something that can be measured scientifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 06:04 PM
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Being certain you are right doesn't mean you are though. Its just a vaguely familiar statement that could potentially be true or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 05:56 PM
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Its too vague a statement and totaly contextual. I cant argue for or against because of how little information you provide.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 05:44 PM
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Originally you said that even when women calmly set bounderies they are called sensitive, but now you are including yelling which is decisively not calm.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 05:32 PM
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Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 05:29 PM
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Possibly. In my personal experience women being sensitive is usually treated more leniently.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 05:29 PM
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Interesting. The same rationale was called "racist statistics" by left leaning Americans for the past few years. Whats your opinion on it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 05:27 PM
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That really doesnt make any sense because women usually get away with being sensitive (theres no macho expectations as there is with men).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 04:46 PM
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The only 2 options she presented to express distaste were extreme anger (i.e. "shouting") or saying "fine" and being passive aggressive. Is English your first language?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 04:45 PM
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Im in my mid 20s now and still get approached quite a bit at any sort of social event, purely based on how I look. Granted its anecdotal evidence but evidence nonetheless. They were quite clearly physically attracted to me. Most men who approach are basing it on similar judgment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 04:43 PM
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Read her and my comment again.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 03:07 PM
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Yes And they do not need ltrs to get sexual fulfillment. Whats seen as the "ideal man", the "chad", or the alpha male in redpilled community is someone whos socially dominant and gets casual sex because of how superior of a man they are. Ltrs are seen as boring (redpillers want an abundance and only a special girl can win exclusivity), dumpster diving (their term for sleeping with unattractive women) is seen as low value and using a sex worker is seen as beta (they have to pay for sex? What a lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 02:40 PM
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If your only 2 options for expressing your distaste with a situation are extreme anger or extreme passive aggressiveness I think you might deserve the label of crazy person. Communicate what's wrong. Set bounderies. Be an adult. Its really not that hard. This goes for both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 02:28 PM
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I mean we all have anecdotal evidence. I started working out at 16 and by the time I was 17-19 I had girls approaching me, grabbing my arms and getting all touchy. They weren't approaching me because I looked like a nice guy or that I could "arouse them with words", they were approaching me because I was physically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 02:20 PM
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Sexual fulfillment is how a lotta men measure themselves as men (particularly redpilled men). Its not the same as social or career success.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 01:27 PM
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Background check adds the ability to filter out groups that have committed crimes which will overwhelmingly be a certain group.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 08:07 AM
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I still dont think its as divisive as feminine or masculine to be turned on visually. I think men tend to act more on their attraction which may sway how its perceived.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 09:23 PM
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Women are not visually turned on Definitely depends.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 07:58 PM
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Interesting. Theres a whole subreddit on lookism or something to that effect that composes a somewhat scientific method of calculating attractiveness. In their scale a 5 is the average person despite the fact that most average people rate themselves a 7. 10 and 0 dont exist because they are extreme outliers. Anyways out of interest going by that scale do you still think hes an 8+? Thats male model level. No need to answer if you dont want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 07:40 PM
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Not who you were arguing with but there are certain relatively objective standards of beauty for both genders. Objectively speaking do you think your partner is an 8+?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 07:27 PM
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Why would anyone do that? In general being successful in your career is going to make it easier to get women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 11:07 AM
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Are you a bit slow?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/21 10:43 PM
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So you just estimated a number?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/21 10:28 PM
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^ Stats on gender % on the subreddit please.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/21 10:21 PM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/21 10:13 PM
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Lol I think Ill pass
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/21 09:33 PM
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Like anything worst are always the most vocal. My point is that pretty much all movements are fallible in some way. You are only accountable for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/21 07:42 PM
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Sorry to hijack this response but I thought Id take a second to answer your q. Mgtow, according to Redpill is for the weak man who cannot improve. At the core of redpill philosophy is improvement (physically, socially, economically etc). Redpillers believe that any man can be successful with women if they work hard enough and that incels and Mgtow are just weaklings who arent able to cut it. So you make ask why do redpillers still want/chase women? For a myriad of reasons which most likely boil …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/21 08:28 AM
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I remember back about 5 odd years ago a talk was hosted on mens issues (suicide rates, workplace injuries etc). So called "feminists" turned up to protest outside it and verbally abuse any man who went in, Westborough Baptist Church style. Anecdotally I regularly see women on this sub shaming men who dont conform to their worldview (incel, smalldick energy, will never get a girlfriend etc). Its very interesting to see women who identify as feminists using the exact same shaming tactics they prot…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/21 08:20 AM
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Lol straight from the horses mouth.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/21 08:11 AM
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Do you spend any time at all outside this sub? Anecdotal evidence doesn't cut it. You need figures to make a decisive claim like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 07:46 PM
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I think that one can read all the theory they want but theres no substitute for real world experience. Theres a lot of nuance and grey areas in life. Im not saying anything revolutionary here either. I try to consider these grey areas in my general life philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 08:21 PM
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I think its actually fairly accurate, even if presented a little aggressively. You want a specific example of results of an inter-gender sports outing? You can look at the Australian Womens soccer team getting beaten 7-0 by the Austrailian under 15s boys team (bare in mind that this was the best womens soccer team in the world at the time as they had just won the world cup and this boys team wasnt even ranked top 50). Similarly a transgender athlete, Luarel Hubbard (mtf) recently smashed all of …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 05:01 PM
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I would add on to this that for a man to achieve the ideal beauty standard it takes lot more than just good genetics even if the average man doesn't put effort in.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 03:25 PM
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Its been called "racist statistics" for a while now. Im just pointing out that the typical left leaning woman on this sub whos saying its ok to be wary of men based on stats is using the exact same stats that white supremacists use to profile poc. You dont mind it so I cant really argue against you. Your rationale is consistent. I just have a general problem with the hypocrisy of many posters on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 12:10 PM
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Let me specify: The left leaning/feminist women in that thread that agreed with that rationale are using the same rationale as KKK. I dove into the thread and didnt see any women arguing against it. If I wanted to say definitively that the majority of left leaning women on this sub held those contradictory beliefs I would need to take further notes and figures. Im not against studies or facts and figures as a whole, they are just one dimension of the whole picture and context is necessary to und…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 11:47 AM
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Thats fine. Being wary around strangers, I get it. But using the statistics argument means you are going to be particularly wary of any race that isnt white which is blatantly racist rationale. I havent had a decent objection to this point yet, one poster claimed the stats werent considering race after admitting she hadn't read the stats (she was wrong), another claimed that poc were forced into a life of crime as if they are somehow less intelligent than you or I. How long until people stop jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 11:08 AM
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Are you victim blaming op? Interesting coming from a feminist. Cant wait for you to not respond to sound objections or else commit to extreme mental gymnastics that rationalise victim blaming just this once.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 11:06 AM
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I do not think we should generalise all poor African American women for it. Im against generalising as a lotta the time the stats ignore context.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 08:59 AM
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The guy below has already re stated my point. If you are planning of being particularly wary of men due to to stats then you cant stop there. Taking that argument to its logical conclusion you are going to be particularly wary of African Americans. You are guilty of the same racist rationale of the modern KKK. Quite literally the exact same.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 08:50 AM
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I dont want anyone (women included) to generalise me or POC with sexist and racist statistics. If you are left leaning and are against profiling African Americans due to higher sexual and violent crime rates then you consequently cant do the same to all men. And she was literally clapping at the stats like it was a good thing. She wanted to win first and act moral second which is why she presented the argument in that way. Im against profiling POC but you obviously are for it, going by your stat…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 08:48 AM
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The problem with this statement is thats its purely based on opinion and anecdotes. Theres no quantifiable proof. Its only your opinion which you are trying to present as fact. Do you not understand the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 08:45 AM
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You don't know that for a fact. We dont have anything other than anecdotal evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 10:22 PM
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Ya the questioning I was doing was obviously leading towards victim shaming and how one defines it. I dont know if Depp ever clarifies if he knew that she was an abuser. We can only specify. As you said there surely were red flags along the way despite her doing her best to hide it. Thank you for the added context.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 09:55 PM
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Would you say its his fault for not doing a background check? Or what if he did do a check and still chose to date her? Im going to be honest, I hadnt heard of her before the controversy, shes not exactly an A list celebrity like Depp.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 09:41 PM
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Its too vague and hard to quantify though. To me it feels like women on this sub are hypocrites, they want a traditional man while being modern women. But can I definitively say? Not really.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 09:33 PM
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Interesting. Do you think Depp knew?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 09:31 PM
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Strawman. Heres my response to the a similar objection. Victim blaming is social and career suicide in the modern era, exponentially so for a man blaming a woman due to the different gender dynamics. Very few men do that today.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 08:46 PM
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A woman made a thread a day or 2 ago stating that women are justified to generalise men and be wary of them due to the higher percentage sexual/ physical assaults committed by them. I pointed out that this is the exact same rationale and use of statistics that white supremacists use to generalise poc due to higher percentage of crimes they commit. The orignal post was made by a blatant mysandrist who was quite literally clappling at the statistics as if they were some sort of achievement (becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 08:20 PM
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You switch it to people which doesnt actually specify. You say most people hide their crazy side but if most people arent mentally ill then what is there to hide? The word abuser actually tells us the type of person they are. Your correction doesnt better the sentence at all and actually just makes it more vague.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 07:59 PM
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I guess those are low value men? I actively avoid most social media so I cant disagree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 06:38 PM
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Ya I think the term the "loudest minority" is what best describes these groups. Having said that a guy saying "you should have chosen better" under a general relation woes post is quite different to victim blaming of someone who has been physically abused.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 06:35 PM
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Not everyone is crazy though?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 06:00 PM
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This subreddit is probably the worst place to base your view of either gender off. In yesterdays big thread you had a woman clapping for sexist and consequently racist use of statistics to justify being wary of men (she used the same argumentation that white supremacists use to profile people). Its a pretty toxic subreddit where theres no actual ground to be made. Theres a handful of people who are actually open to changing their mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 05:58 PM
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I hate how overused fallacies are on reddit but this is quite a blatant example of a strawman. Victim blaming is social and career suicide in the modern era, exponentially so for a man blaming a woman due to the different gender dynamics. Very few men do that today.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 05:48 PM
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/thread/ Also op is ignoring that Amber Heard like most abusers probably hid her psychotic nature at the start of the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 04:21 PM
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Id have to look further into Peterson to really know but you would be spot on. I dont want to make assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 05:38 PM
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I didnt say he was evil. Im indifferent to Peterson. But a lot of what he says in relation to philosophy really isnt open to interpretation because we have personal notes that have been published posthumously to clarify in Nietzsches case. Im just confirming that atleast in relation to a few concepts in philosophy he is off. Im not sure about his other work because its not my expertise.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 05:32 PM
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I just read your original comment and that's what I disagree with. Fair enough if you clarify later on and I agree with your general sentiment on avoiding violence when possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 05:22 PM
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Im not arguing for or against this specific video but against the idea that violence is always the wrong thing to do. There are contexts where being violent is the right thing to do like if you are being assaulted or in sports setting where 2 fighters are getting paid. My point is what is wrong and right is mostly contextual and an absolute like "violence is always wrong" tends to come from a place of privilege. Have you ever been in a situation where you were being threatened? Where someone's t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 05:07 PM
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His interpretation of a few philosophical concepts is well off to he fair. Not even pieces that are open to interpretation, Im talking interpreting Nietzsche as being pro-christianity. I cant speak for the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 04:55 PM
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Whats right is usually contextual. Is violence generally the wrong thing to do? Absolutely, but if someone is assaulting you and you defend yourself you are not acting unjustly. In this context it makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 04:42 PM
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You never responded to my response op which is disappointing Ive pointed out that your rationale when taken to its logical conclusion is going to look at particular subgroups that are most likely to commit violent and sexual crime which is African Americans. Suddenly you arent clapping for the data anymore? Suddenly it isnt ok to generalise?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 09:07 AM
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Op was actually misinterpreting the data. Ive corrected her twice but she keeps repeating the exact same thing. Her argument is that women are right to be wary of men because statistically men commit higher percentage of sexual and violent crime. I pointed out when you take this argument to its logical conclusion you are going to look at particular subgroups to be most wary about which will be African Americans as they commit a higher percentage of violent and sexual crime, despite making up a l…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 09:04 AM
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This is a gross misinterpretation of the data. You might be more likely to be killed by a white person but theres a greater population of white people. Africans Americans make up a smaller sample of the population but commit higher percentage of crimes. The stats consequently do disprove your point because you are misinterpreting the data. See when you take the argument you have, i.e. stats that show men are more lìkely to commit violent crime to its logical conclusion you going to look at parti…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 08:49 AM
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My mistake People make quite a big deal about redpill too on the subreddit though so Im not sure where you are coming from?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 02:39 PM
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Im not actually ignoring the crimes being interracial. Its from the FBI crime statistics which breaks down offender and victim. A disproportionately higher percent of African Americans are offenders to White victims. I'm simply acknowledging the fact that women need to be wary of men to survive, if they don't take precautions in life there's a good chance they'll end up the victim of a violent or sexual crime at the hands of a man. And a white male should be wary of black male to survive, if the…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 01:09 PM
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A white person is more likely to be a victim of a crime from a white offender because theres a larger population. African Americans are still statistically commit higher percentages of violent and sexual crime so again by your rationale its ok to be wary of a Black person. You can even read up on the statistics. If you want to use this argument then you are guilty of the exact same racist rationale as white supremacists, eugenicists and slave owners before you. Im against the racist and sexist u…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 12:40 PM
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For real? How is sexist use of statistics ok but pointing out of the racist parallels to it not? Surely you cant allow one without the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 12:32 PM
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I might not agree with you but atleast your rationale is consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 09:53 AM
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Isis are justified in destroying the twin towers. The Americans did start it right? Same rationale ^
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 09:13 AM
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If you have been into redpill for that long you should know that theres a whole branch of redpill that focuses on exclusivity (married redpilll) and pretty numerous methods that focus on ltrs .
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 09:03 AM
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You cant justify a wrong by pointing out a wrong that someone else did and consequently assuming its fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 09:00 AM
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Op I can understand your argument but would you similarly hold that view of African Americans because they are statistically more likely to commit violent and sexual crimes? Would you say that a white person is "smart" for being cautious around a black male? Its the exact same argument that racists use to justify their beliefs so I will be interested in seeing if you answer this q. u/AnonPinkLady you really need to address the above.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 08:58 AM
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Jesus Christ this sub is an absolute shithole.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/21 05:50 PM
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From what Ive seen she usually compares extremes like incels and redpill with femcels and fds. Does she go much more controversial beyond that too?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/21 05:29 PM
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Ya the premise doesnt even work, comparing to romantic relationships to platonic doesnt make any sense and one can want both. The rest is redundant because of it. Its kind of surprising as u/LillthofBabylon usually posts fairly well grounded takes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/21 04:49 PM
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I think the context does matter. Theres a difference between what the Greeks did which was for religious reasons and what modern prostitutes do which is purely for money. Im still not quite sure if its as accepted in those countries as you say either. I had a quick google search and saw that some version of the word prostitute/whore are insults in those countries too, indicating that its not socially accepted. And I dont think we can blame this on Christian influence in the likes of China which …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/21 08:49 AM
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Context though. Its of course quite different to selling your body for money. Throughout history prostitution was looked down on, how is today any different? I really dont think its as socially accepted as you are suggesting. Id have to ask someone from those countries to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 11:44 PM
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I dont actively condem her for doing it, as you said shes free to do what she likes but I still find it disgusting. Again it could be a cultural thing on my part but isnt prostitution low class even where its legalised? Im sure in those countries its seen negatively right? Isnt calling someones mother a prostitute a bad thing pretty much everywhere?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 11:29 PM
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Interesting. I know you might argue that Im saying this just because of where Im from but it still seems pretty disgusting to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 11:16 PM
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What countries is it accepted? In Britain its looked down on.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 10:51 PM
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You have midwits on the sub quite regularly make a claim based on some diluted piece of knowledge that they heard somewhere else. When challenged for a source that they will just type it into google, take the first result and paste it, usually without even reading it. Ive caught a few different people on here posting sources that disagree with their claim. Its honestly a problem in general on the Internet but it especially irks me on a debate sub. Read the source material people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 10:39 PM
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To my memory Trp promotes an 80/20 rule (or maybe 66-33?) where you are redpilled 80 % of the time and Bluepilled 20% in long term relationships (so positive affirmations would only make up 20 % of your relations). Theres a whole topic on comfort tests that relates to it also. You arent meant to be completely stoic and unemotional in rp philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 09:43 AM
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1.) A player is a man who can sleep around and get casual sex when he wants it. 2.) No, some men are unfortunately too socially or physically inhibited to be a "player". 3.) I think that the resentment comes from societal expectations where to be high value man is to be sexually successful. Obviously there are theories that it isnt just socialised but infact a biological inclination to associate sexual success with higher value (to ensure reproduction) but Im not so sure. What I do know is that …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 09:23 PM
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Have a nice day.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 10:04 PM
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Im not reading all of that. I hope theres some sebalence of accountability on your part. Good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 09:57 PM
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Im not trying to be rude but pretty much everything you say goes off in about 5 different directions and doesnt actually adress what I said. You really need to cut just about 90 percent of these walls of text out and stick to the topic of contention. This is what the op said that you called "explicitly offensive" Neckbeards on a forum are not the equivalent of systemic cultural hegemonic control of feminism/gynocentrism. He says that the world is gynocentric because of his experiences which prob…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 09:11 PM
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Civility is apparently beyond your capabilites. I now understand. If you are not able to admit you are wrong then why debate at all? Whoever you debate with now can pull the same stunt. Are you that indoctrinated into your own world view that you cannot see the problems if everyone was to act like you do?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 08:21 PM
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Im only telling you because you are the first one Ive seen so Im not sure what you are trying to suggest. I havent dived particularly deep into the thread but its a bit ironic of you to shame someone who has a different worldview in a thread about insecurity. What you are saying is going against the ultimate aim of this thread so its of course more suitable to call you out. You don't need to take 4 hours out of your day to argue, and to argue you dont need to shame. Again, there really isnt a th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 07:55 PM
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Tough to have patience with this shit sometimes though But thats the point. If you want to convince someone of your world view you need to take the high ground or atleast try (I had problems with the toxic FDS users recently who would insult rather than address the argument I made and it is difficult but try be civil). He called the world a matriarchy and from his point of view it is. Ask him why. Find some middleground. Im sure you can see aspects where he is correct, for example he might say t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 07:18 PM
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and feminism is, in a way, a response to neckbeards - just not the internet forum ones like you Do you need to call him a neckbeard? Its only strengthens his point that feminists are insulting men who dont conform to their values. Im not even on his side either but you said just validated his rationale. Poor argumentation. If you are involved in any type of activism your aim should be to explain and convince others which is what you have now failed to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 06:42 PM
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I get approached pretty regularly by women. As others have said if they think you are attractive they will approach. Anecdotal evidence on my part but I wonder if theres any sort lf stats to reference?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 08:35 PM
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The beauty of it is that Im rationally justified because you started the toxicity when I was polite (again 1 response into the debate and you couldnt help yourself from letting it bleed out). You gave me a triumph card from the start. So again you dont adress the hypocrisy of FDS wanting a man with traditional values (provider) while they are modern women. We are what, 5-6 response in and its still not dealt with? Ive exposed your hypocrisy and rather than adress it you ignore, insult, rinse and…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 05:33 PM
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A mixture of option 1 and 2: insult and changing the subject. And that's an argumentative checkmate. I predicted it exactly from the very start. Fds user has now forfeit via omission. I can see that my arrows have left their mark ;) Maybe you can go and complain to the boyfriend you dont have? Buy yourself another promise ring too, maybe a cat since you are so lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 10:49 AM
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I can see you are very good at arguing against points that no one is trying to make except yourself Thankfully FDS have already argued what they want for me. Some sexist comic once said that if you let women talk long enough they end up telling on themselves. Quite a clear example of it right here. You are creating a false dilemma that says that all men with basic financial stability are 'providers' and therefore 'traditional' and using that to argue for a contradiction in FDS ideals that simply…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 06:12 AM
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Any number higher than 0 without marriage means you are no longer a traditional woman. Dressing it up with terms like "serial monogamy" are deliberately disingenous. And theres nothing wrong having slept around but again its hypocritical. Also I disagree that a man with traditional values is ideal or particularly high value in the FDS lens, since most of those men have domineering personalities and expect to be in charge of a household. Its well established fds wants a man with traditional value…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 12:22 AM
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You can buy me several 👌
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 12:05 AM
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Alright thats actually fair enough. Its a bit ridiculous I have to out of my way to say it but I appreciate your amicability despite our disagreements. It seems most on the sub don't understand that you can debate without being toxic. I find FDS as toxic as TRP. Agreed. Look at some of the response FDS give to critique. Both sides are damaged narcissists.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 11:57 PM
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Fds users =/= all women My problem isn't with women in general, its with fds Edit: I reckon that's where the misinterpretation stems
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 11:47 PM
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Nope not what I said. I get you are annoyed but I don't even need to counter what you are saying because of it Good luck to you I guess? Maybe you scimmed and misread what I said? Im in favour of feminism so I dont know what you are on about to be quiet frank.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 11:41 PM
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But, I’ve had this debate many times over and men won’t agree to it. Something something biological urges. Something something keys and locks (what? How about pencils and pencil sharpeners?) ^ you arent arguing with me, you are arguing with this strawman
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 11:37 PM
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Its like clockwork. Your world view gets challenged, you either insult, change the subject or ignore. Anyways to my objection to FDS. Ill summarise it as follows, break down your counter (which the previous will have said) and then it will be interesting if you revert of 1 of the 3 options mentioned above. FDS woman are for the most part hypocritical. They want a traditional man while themselves having modern values (sexual liberation, having slept around in their past, independence etc). Just n…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 11:36 PM
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You are arguing against a strawman which doesnt represent what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 11:29 PM
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What? All im doing is pointing out that its hyproctical for modern women to want traditional men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 11:22 PM
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Going for the insult. You cant help it can you? The weaker people are too predictable. You do know debate is possible without shit flinging?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 11:18 PM
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Of course it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 11:05 PM
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Few people in this comment thread have already posted links to fds promoting sex on the side while dating a guy you like (with no sex) until he commits. Also you can just scroll through the subreddit and you will see modern women (i.e. women have slept around) wanting a traditional man. Again Im not shaming sleeping around. Do what you like. But its hypocritical to want a traditional man if you yourself arent a traditional woman (and the definition of traditional is well established).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 10:57 PM
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Who says these women are sleeping around? Fds themselves say it, who are probably different to your irl friends. Im just assuming your know what fds is
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 10:46 PM
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That makes sense. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 10:38 PM
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But quite a common objection that feminists make it to models for example and say that they are being objectified but in that scenario they are consenting to modelling so you objection with consent being disputed. The response from the other person made more sense to me, that they are actually different branches under the umbrella of feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 10:34 PM
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Ah so different branches of feminism. Thanks for the reply that makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 08:32 PM
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I dont want to get into strawman if possible. Im open to having my mind changed and if any of the feminists on the sub have anything to say Im open to hear it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 08:14 PM
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I do see some prevalent double standards by typical feminists on the topic of porn. Sexual liberation is promoted but somehow porn and objectification is degrading. Would be interested if some of the women of the subreddit would adress it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 07:53 PM
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I think the other problems is that a lotta fds users want a traditional man who waits while also being modern women who have slept around. Theres nothing inherently wrong with sleeping around but it is hypocritical to want a traditional man if you do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 07:09 PM
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Quite an idealist view but not realistic imo. The loudest most toxic part of any group are the forefront.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 07:01 PM
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I agree. I think similiar to feminism the core message of redpill isnt inherently bad but their communitys can be quite toxic. What op is doing is the exact same as those 14 year old athiests who call all women feminazis because the saw the worst part of that community.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 10:14 AM
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Interesting. This is the basis of redpill ideology for anyone unaware. And self accountability comes with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 10:06 AM
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I think that you are partially right, you can better how you look but that man is in no shape or form a 7.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 08:46 PM
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Ya its quite a pity really. In similiar way a lotta young men look at feminism in the crazy way too. I think the most toxic parts of any movement stand out the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 01:12 PM
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I will say that the more valient mens right moments (im not talking about the ones that get polluted with mgtow and incels) get shut down quite quickly. A few years ago in Britain there was a talk on mens issues (suicide, depression, societal expectations etc) and so called "feminists" protested outside and abused anyone who went in. It was almost identical to those Westboro Baptist Church protests outside abortion clinics (albeit on the opposite side of the political spectrum). It doesnt help t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 12:44 PM
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When it comes to blame I was comparing how accepted it is nowadays to shame a man for being broke while theres an active movement against slut shaming and idealogys that promote it. In the end of the day Im not really worried about these types of women. They can do what they like and I have no interest being a part of their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 12:35 PM
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I would argue that these standards are embedded and almost a part of our biology as others have explained. Rather than blaming men for not promoting going "Dutch" as you call it, shouldn't we blame modern women for still expecting said standards? Again do you are your husband still split 50/50? Or does either or pay more?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 12:05 PM
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Men get shamed for it too "broke, cheap etc", i.e, wallet shaming From my experience though I vet for this type of thing (if they ask me/try make me buy them a drink its a major red flag and I move on). But if they pay for drinks too its a green flag. These are still implicit societal standards though that arent going to change any time soon. The same women who promote sexual liberation actively hide their count when they meet someone they like. That should say it all really. Your case is differ…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 11:59 AM
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Commendable of you but its fair to say that generally men are expected to pay and its just one of the double standards that we have to live with. Its the same for women who sleep around. They lose value as a partner and thats just how it is. I see a lotta women trying to play both sides though which is ridiculous, they want a traditional man who provides for them while not being a traditional women (sleeping around in this case).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 11:52 AM
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Do you go 50/50 paying for dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 11:46 AM
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There are double standards that benefit both sexes. Men prefer lower count girl, women prefer providers. Out of interest how often have you paid on the first date?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 11:00 AM
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Are we really going to willfully ignore that there are certain double standards that both sexes have? Women seem to want the of both worlds which you cannot have.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 10:58 AM
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Interesting, thanks for the response. Just have one more add on q. To specify, is exercising considered a foundation for fds as it is for trp? Or is fds one of those "yas Queen" type communuties where everyone is already perfect and doesn't need to change? And if fds is one of those "you are perfect the way you are" type groups do you think its contradictory for a fds user who doesnt exercise to want a hvm?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 01:11 AM
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You are right op. Theres nothing inherently wrong with being promiscuous but most men dont want a woman who has a promiscuous past and theres nothing inherently wrong with having that standard either.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 12:41 AM
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Interesting. You would assume that would be the foundation for any self improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 12:39 AM
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Would you mind answering a few qs about fds? Would you agree that both communities are quite toxic? Does fds have a self improvement core similar to TRP? (Im talking working out, hobbies etc) Do you think that the fds standards are too high for most women to achieve? (Everyone wants a top 5% earner, Traditionally attractive man) Do you think that some of the standards of ideal man contradictory? (Fds women want a top % earner who somewhow has the time to be loving and affectionate which would he…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 12:37 AM
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I agree but also will add that the behavior change that redpill promotes the most is working out/picking up hobbies which will increase ones value. To my knowledge fds focuses on manipulation part without encouraging lifestyle changes mentioned above.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 12:22 AM
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A lotta the women you see on FDS are low value women who call themselves high value. They have all the worst traits; over entitlement, manipulative, narcissism etc. Trp is quite toxic but atleast it actively encourages self improvement and some sort self accountability. Fds doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 07:18 PM
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Fair enough op. Good on you for correcting your post and adding edits btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 11:02 AM
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Nope. Didnt say that at all and you can literally read my comments to verify. Fine meaning I don't want it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 12:45 AM
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Lol re read my comments. I did not say anything close to that and surely your genius iq would have known that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 12:44 AM
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No i didnt.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 12:41 AM
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I didnt tell you to whip it out
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 12:39 AM
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I was joking mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 12:38 AM
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Relax. You will be fine. Just take anything prescribed to you op. Good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 12:35 AM
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Surprisingly Im fine for a penis picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 12:34 AM
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Mate you know we can look through your profile. Im not sure if you are having an episode (no disrespect but take care of it) or if you are larping.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 12:33 AM
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You should take a gander through his profile. Crazy decisions like he took a test that proves hes a genius, his gf has a 4.0 gpa and is studying neuroscience, him telling his gf to fuck other men (some sort of cuck thing idk?) And the above obviously. Clearly hes not any of those things or he wouldnt need to ask for advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 12:31 AM
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Its ok. You are going to be fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 12:28 AM
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Ya bro im wheezing "thick as a redbull can"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 12:26 AM
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Take your meds you are having an episode. Not being condescending
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 12:23 AM
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Take your meds mate
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 12:22 AM
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Dam hes bipolar. Completely explains it and makes it sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 12:20 AM
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I think hes actually larping rather than trolling. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 12:16 AM
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I couldn't fit my penis in because it was too big Im 6f6 college athlete on a scholarship Im on my way to med school every girl I meet wants to marry me And despite all this Im asking for advice on purple pill debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 12:13 AM
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This is hilarious. 10 out of 10 troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 12:09 AM
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Im not arguing in support of redpill but this guy Donovan is adopting his own blood. Its not like he raising some randomers child, its his niece. It will be interesting to see if OP is right/wrong about the rest above. I dont know anything about any of these guys so Im not here to argue for them. u/GeorgeWashingtonKing you need to answer this guy
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 09:50 PM
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I appreciate that. The statistics angle has been dealt anyway and we seem to have reached an amicable conclusion. Statistics are quite a useful argumentative tool but like anything their usefulness can be voided.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 07:28 PM
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Having said the previous I will say good luck. Thats the trouble you are always going to have when you rely heavily on statistics as a left leaning person. I did bait it out because I myself have faced the same problems with it. There are statistics for everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 07:19 PM
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Ive countered this in my other comment so Im saying this to redirect anyone towards that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 06:02 PM
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What you and Edward Snowden are missing Its actually fairly well established in the circles of philosophy and digital rights that privacy should be protected. Not just me and Edward Snowden. We know there is an epidemic of male violence against women. This is quite dangerous territory to head into when bringing up male violence against women. You obviously will justify this though statistics right? Please provide a source. It's okay to care about privacy, but is it more important than women's li…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 06:01 PM
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To add to my previous comment this would not affect me. I dont use online dating or have a criminal record. Im make saying this because people immediately become accusatory when anyone challenges privacy breaches. (What do you have to hide? Are you a threat to people around you? etc) I am just concerned with human rights being protected.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 05:46 PM
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You need to redefine how you look at privacy first of all. Duckduckgo posted a pretty nice summation about it here. Privacy isnt about hiding information its about protecting it. We all have information that we want to protect (medical records, intimate secrets, voting etc) and when you allow these invasions of privacy proposed by Tinder then you are consequently allowing your privacy rights to your sensitive information to be forfeit too. The implications are of course quite serious. Edward Sno…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 05:41 PM
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I dont use online dating but this would be a pretty severe breach of privacy. Some will try justify it by the "if you have nothing to hide" fallacy but that still doesnt excuse this. You dont owe anyone any information. They are not entitled to it. I know a lot of Americans will be pro this kind of thing because this invasion of privacy is the standard over there.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 03:33 PM
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The uber chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/21 03:24 PM
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This is a question for r/asktrp
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/21 01:26 PM
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Everyone over rates their partners to a hilarious degree. 8s and 9s are models. 10s barely exist in the same way 1s rarely do. The average person should be a 5 but they dont want to admit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/21 01:07 PM
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Even the idea paraded around here of the idealised "uber-fuck boi" who "just wont commit" is incorrect. Women want to believe that theres something wrong with the man in that situation because he wont commit to them so they try rationalise it as him just never committing. But the fact is that pretty much all of these men do ultimately commit, just not to them. They arent of high enough value which is a blow to the ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/21 01:03 PM
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In relation to situational awareness you are absolutely right. I worked as a bartender in a few different places and saw tons of fights start. Theres always a build up. You cant let people get close because these types will try sucker punch you. But in general you can de-escalate. I remember once I was on a night out and a guy was gearing up to jump me with his 2 friends (pushing me, wouldn't let me de-escalate despite it being him who bumped into me, friend was eyeballing me and getting close).…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 11:23 PM
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You know some women can even make their own decisions too op? The other day I even saw a few driving cars. I couldnt believe my eyes. Im mean who would have thought?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 02:03 PM
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Even with the really good deepfakes isnt there an element of the uncanny valley that makes you uncomfortable?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 05:35 PM
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I agree to an extent. The act of having high standards isn't inherintly wrong but a lotta these people act like theres some societal problem (e.g. incels say western women are ruined thanks to feminism, obese women complain about traditional beauty standards) rather than looking at themselves. Finding the right person can take time but if you are a high value person yourself (with numerous definitions of "high value person" from each gender being listed in this thread already) then you should be…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 03:51 PM
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What Americans call "chemistry", basically whether we get on or not is the determining factor. After that theres physical attraction, hobbies/ interests etc. Ive been with some pretty girls who are nice but just werent that interesting and had nothing to talk about. The girl needs to have her own life too. Conversely Ive been with less physically attractive girls who I became more attracted to because they were fun to be around and had their own interests, hobbies, goals etc. A lotta my mates co…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 12:02 PM
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The article literally says they have high self esteem
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 10:49 AM
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Comment below posted a link to psychological studies proving otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 12:24 AM
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Dating multiple people is exhausting Preach. To be clear I go unofficially exclusive a good bit before actually asking a girl to be exclusive. Relationships are just not something I wanna jump into.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 11:10 PM
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I don't think they do. If they get married, they cheat. What percentage cheat, isnt it like 20% for both genders? Thats not most men. Anyway. By your logic this guy is dating his wife while also dating and sleeping with a woman he doesn't care about at all. This doesn't really break down my argument at all as to even get married he did infact decide to commit. Marriage is the ultimate commitment. Behind that is fiance, girlfriend etc. Each valid forms of commitment and not the same as some fuck …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 11:01 PM
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If you don't want to be in a relationship, you can say no. Your "no" should be respected but its also a convo that can take place over text or out in public somewhere. It is absolutely not close to being similar to being alone with someone bigger than you who is begging you for an immediate action. Men aren't scared for their safety when a woman wants a relationship. I suppose I do need to add some context to this statement. It is sort of built up off the idea "men are the gatekeepers of relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 10:40 PM
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Alright thats fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 09:55 PM
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It can be very small things like when a guy is asked "what are you looking for" and he obscures that he knows at that point he does not want a relationship or he does not want a relationship with that woman From experience I know most men dont want to feel pressured into a relationship almost in the same way women dont want to feel pressured into sex. Relationship talk too early is off putting despite the fact that most are open to a relationship down the line. But then as you get to know someon…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 09:53 PM
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Oh right. But what about the idea of "leading on"? How do you define it?.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 09:31 PM
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Um did you read the article? Research studies have proven that there is no link between kids who behave aggressively toward other kids and low self-esteem. In fact, psychologists have found that kids who behave like bullies have high self-esteem, but that they are very "shame-prone." So bullies do have high self-esteem Or am I misinterpreting you? You agree that bullies have high self esteem?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 09:30 PM
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Yup so we agree? Not all players are liars right? Some men rack up a body count bc they regularly go after drunk women, pressure women for sex, or lead women on. These types disgust me But in relation to leading someone on. How do you define it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 09:24 PM
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Im not saying its a bad thing to say victim's have low self esteem but I do think its moronic to suggest perpetrators are also low esteem. Its a revenge fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 09:23 PM
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If a guy is spinning plates and leading women on for sex, he feels the only way he can get sex is by lying. He is sacrificing integrity (which I think allows someone to have a high quality of life without shame/anxiety) for sex I have particular issue with this premise and see it a lot on the sub. Im sure that this idealised version of the "fuck boy" does exist but I think they about are as common as "cheating whores" on the other side of the spectrum. Acting like all players are inherently liar…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 09:19 PM
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Its the classic line that bullys must have low self esteem
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 09:10 PM
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Look mate Im not saying that finding a girl is going to be easy for you but understand that not everything is just the world being out to get you. Try reflect and think about how you act and how it could be perceived. It gets easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 04:42 PM
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Look, Im sure you could be unlucky once or maybe twice, but to be called creeper/ get thrown out mutiple times? Logically you must be doing something. You could even be saying some other weird shit that makes people uncomfortable or getting to close. Doesn't have to be sexual. Or maybe you dont leave them alone?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 04:05 PM
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Extreme reactions are usually caused by extreme actions. No smoke without fire mate. I was pretty nice in my comment too. All you have to do is give an answer. Did you: 1.) Make an inappropriate joke or 2.) Start touching inappropriately within the first few minutes of the interaction? Im sure you could be unlucky enough to be called creepy or thrown out once, but mutiple times? Logically you are doing something.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 03:58 PM
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What did you say though? Some people make it sexual and consequently uncomfortable very fast. You could be absolutely fine but theres usually no smoke without fire. Ive been on nights out with some girl friends and the guys go from 0 to 100 real quick. Trying to grab waist and everything after a few seconds. Makes me cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 03:07 PM
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I think if you are only approaching a girl just to have sex with them they will pick up on it. It obviously is context dependent, sometimes in a bar or nightclub you can tell its a different to a tutorial or class. Anyways If you want to get better at approaching in general then dont limit yourself. Make new guy friends too. Chat to girls who you may not be atrracted too. Get to know someone before asking them on a date. I dont like the idea of straight up asking a girl out after miminal contact…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 03:04 PM
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Isnt this just female red pill and as inherently flawed?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 11:49 AM
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I think a lotta women can be too impatient and try force a relationship too soon. Its like pressuring a woman into sex, its not right.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 11:48 AM
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Ive only been in that situation once but once I had been casually dating a girl and after a month when we had sex I saw she just wasnt clean. Like her toes were brown/yellow and shit. I complete lost any attraction to her but didnt straight ghost or her anything. Just kinda let it fizzle out. She was a nice girl though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 11:46 AM
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If Im in a LTR then that person means something to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 11:59 PM
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The div kids never change.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 12:12 PM
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I did Saying you did something =/= you did something. My point:sex wont make you happy Your point: "sex won't make you happy" isnt true and having sex is one less thing to be unhappy about I already showed that your statement didnt explicitly disagree with mine and consequently didnt prove mine wasnt true. Understood, your response did not prove my statement as untrue. You repeatedly say it did but it did not. Heres how I would tackle my argument if I was an angry incel who couldnt believe that …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 11:43 AM
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At this stage if you had a point you would have explained it. You have no counter so by ommision you have conceded.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 11:25 AM
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So you again decide to smugly claim that you won rather than trying to reinforce your argument with reasons why having sex could make you happy or less unhappy. Look Im even giving you help here; you could say validation, pleasure relationships. C level argumentation. Arguments are won through substance not claiming that the other side is dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 11:22 AM
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Humans are communal creatures and we have evolved to develop an inheritant sense of right and wrong. Wrong doing is prevented by our moral compass as well as the legal one. And the current laws can be traced back to our moral compass if you back far enough. If we have evolved to understand objective standards of right and wrong then women should not appeal to nature to justify their wrong doings. Its not really a "gotcha" moment at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 12:27 AM
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Entitlement and manipulation are 2 absolutely repulsive factors. I remember once I met a girl I knew who I thought was nice while with some of my friends. She sat next to me and so blatantly tried to get me to buy her a drink. She was pointing at the drink I had and asking what it was and saying how great it is when someone buys her drinks. Really hamming it up. Anyways it was a good example of 2 major red flags for a relationship; Entitlement and manipulation. She just wasnt very good at it and…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 08:50 PM
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I think most people place too much value on sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/21 10:43 PM
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