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I don't know about the maxim itself (what does the author mean by love? conquer in what sense?), but some thoughts related to what you said: It seems like many powerful people today are not acting for the greater good or for the good of the people. Maybe "bad guys" have an advantage over "good guys" when it comes to acquiring money and power in the current system. Having a handful of very rich "bad guys" could put many "bad guys" into political power due to the rich people helping people who can…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 09:35 PM
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Are women really "always trying to downplay intimacy" (and it seems that by intimacy you mean sexual intimacy or sex)? Maybe a post like the OP of what you linked is bound to provoke responses that are going to seem to downplay the importance of sex. If for example women were downplaying sexual intimacy or sex in response to a man simply expressing his sadness or pain due to never having had sex or romantic relationships, your beef might have a better foundation. You wrote: "And they will make f…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 11:40 PM
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Telling ASPD sufferers to "grow up" or that they are wrong is misguided. Through therapy, I have learned to manage my condition and minimize the damage to those around me, but I also know that the psychological and emotional manipulation (aka game) of "empaths" comes naturally for those of us with this disorder. This is off-topic, but the above suggests that you care about minimizing damage to those around you, isn't that evidence of empathy? Maybe you're not as lacking in empathy as you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/15 03:39 AM
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You know what's probably more effective than this sort of theorizing? Actually getting to know a woman. How long would it take you to find out if a woman is shy, religiously conservative, adventurous, enjoys traveling the world (or wants to have the opportunity to travel the world) etc.? Most of the things you mentioned seem like things you'd be able to find out relatively quickly by simply talking to a woman. In practice n count wouldn't be very useful for assessing most of these things as a) i…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/15 01:17 AM
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What should we do then? Well there are thousands and thousands of scientific studies on human nature and gender differences. You can type any of the topics discussed here into Google scholar and get a plenty of results. These studies rely on an objective system of determining reality (i.e. science) that has worked better than any other system known to man. Science works so well because it minimizes our human biases. So why would we pick an inferior method, if we really wanted to determine the re…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 03:11 AM
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I feel bad for a lot of RPers. Many seem to be the type that's been scorned or has interacted with a lot of crappy, immature people. Life shouldn't be about worshipping women or your self-worth being tied to getting a girl/getting laid (NG) nor should it be about getting the upper hand with women and seeing how many plates you can spin (RP). We're a sexually reproducing species. From this perspective, making your life about success with the opposite sex is actually normal and natural (far more s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 04:22 PM
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Reject? It could be that they find the idea of cooking and cleaning and looking after kids more boring or less fulfilling than the alternative. It could be they don't want to end up in a situation where they lose their provider and don't have a career to fall back on. Also, the standard school curriculum for girls tends to be math, science, history, geography, language, etc., not cooking, cleaning, and taking care of kids. Maybe being exposed to that stuff makes them more likely to want careers.…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/15 01:32 PM
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(Heh, I deleted my post with the intention of reposting it, but it looks like you responded to the old and deleted version of this post before I got the chance to repost it. Anyway, this version might be a bit different from the one you responded to, most importantly I added the bit about sunken chest at the end but some of the other parts might be a bit different too.) Maybe you are being too hard on yourself and others when it comes to looks? Are you the guy who in another thread said that Kri…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/15 06:54 AM
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I responded to /u/prodigy2throw here: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3bw06k/the_thread_on_imagine_if_you_found_out_your_so/csvo8yb if you're interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/15 01:16 AM
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I understand the point you're trying to get at. I'm not sure you do because you go on to talk about a woman changing herself or improving. If I remember right, I was trying to explain why people were reacting differently to the hypothetical (that is, they might have interpreted it differently and so reacted differently). Also, if I recall the hypothetical given in the thread that this thread is about was rather extreme. To quote from it: He is attractive to you, great in bed, smart, funny, well-…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/15 01:02 AM
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Maybe there is a misunderstanding? Maybe when you read about the guide you interpreted it as a self improvement guide that builds the man, whereas some other people read about the guide and interpreted it as someone pretending to be someone they are not (say akin to an actor being given a part to play)? You're RP, right? Well suppose you one day find yourself a woman that behaves like an RPW. Say you later learn she is actually a modern feminist who has been following a guide in order to do bett…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/15 01:16 AM
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(Not sure if you want my response as my flair is "Non-Red Pill"...) Well, I don't have kids so I don't know how realistic my view of parenting is... I think raising sons who are happy with their lives would probably keep them from TRP, as they would have no need for it, and I don't see happy people being too into the negative stuff that seems to be part of TRP but I might be wrong. (I don't think TRP is all bad by the way, but I don't know if the negativity and the anti-woman stuff there is good…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 10:46 PM
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I reached my article limit on the site so I don't know what kind of friendship they're talking about. If you're a social person and have a decently sized group of friends, meet new people semi-regularly and so on then just how much time and resources does it take away from you? You're socializing as you would be anyway. In the process of socializing, you might be showing off your non-visual attractive qualities (maybe you're intelligent, maybe you're funny, whatever) to the women in your friend …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 09:07 PM
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I've reached my article limit there. Makes sense. Looks are not the only reason I might find a man attractive, and being friends would be one way to learn those things about him and become attracted. (However, not having read the article I don't know if that's what they meant.) I don't know if this would work to the same extent for men seeing how men seem to weigh looks more heavily than women do. Does the article address this?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 08:44 AM
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I am saying it. The anti-masculinity message is damaging and it's nothing but an attempt to turn non-masculine men into even more submissive drones. It's like every pressuring message, the weaker will submit even more, the stronger, which are the minority, will rebel against it. The discriminatory laws, the squandering public money in stupid studies and organizations, the constant tone policing, all that is what feminism has been doing since I was a small kid. The worst? I was a feminist for man…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/15 12:49 AM
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(Continued from here: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3axexz/bpers_why_do_so_many_of_you_continuously_deny_or/cskzm9d) Regarding approaching (well not really approaching, but more men taking charge sexually), I didn't notice men being discouraged from it in the past. I guess recently with the "Yes Means Yes" stuff I did notice this kind of thing. Speculating, but maybe one reason for boys being discouraged from being sexually aggressive is that maybe many women have negative ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/15 12:46 AM
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(Looks like my post is too long, so I am splitting it into two...) What does masculinity mean to you? There is a lot in what I think of as masculine that I don't think is discouraged (things like strength (different kinds), taking initiative, perhaps leadership), if anything some (or maybe all) of that is encouraged not only in men but to an (increasingly greater?) extent in women too. Although I suppose that might depend on one's socioeconomic background, as maybe the kids of the better off are…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/15 12:46 AM
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It's been happening in many different venues, online and offline. The mention that having received education by feminists has been damaging to my persona is met with very fierce resistance and trying to deny my experience is usually the way to attack me. Hmm, well, maybe feminists who are really invested in feminism react that way because by saying that being educated by feminists has been damaging to you, you're essentially saying that feminism is in some way bad. Them reacting by trying to den…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/15 11:51 AM
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Most Greeks know English very well , we put a lot of emphasis at learning English at schools . Okay, I admit I don't know very much about Greece. Plus, in retrospect maybe these days non-native English speakers are more likely to speak English due to growing up with the internet as well as (as a result of having internet) having much easier access to for example movies and TV shows that are in English. How the hell am I supposed to prove that I am 19 ? Should I post my facebook profile or someth…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 10:55 PM
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I am skeptical that /u/HappilySingleWoman is as young as she says she is (19 I think?) and that she is Greek. How typical is it for young Greeks to be as good at English as she is? Also, her posts read to me as being more mature/aware than what a 19 year old might write. I guess she could be fairly intelligent, mature for her age and what not. But even if she is a completely invented online persona, I'm not sure just how much I care. On the one hand, if the threads she starts give us something i…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 09:32 PM
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Not really seeing such a big difference between what you say "man up" used to mean and what you say it means today. It was done to (1) give him some encouragement; (2) call out slackers and layabouts; (3) get those slackers and layabouts to either shape up or ship out; and (4) discipline through healthy shame. Men used to be told to “man up” when they weren’t doing what they needed for self sufficiency; or what the men and the tribe needed them to do. And what would the tribe have needed men to …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 09:15 PM
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I mean, for example I've never been "used for sex", in fact, the idea as such wasn't terribly hurtful to me personally. Doesn't change the fact that I was aware that women as a rule feel differently about that, hence I considered it shitty, assumed guys who did it were assholes and never entertained the thought to do it myself (until many years later, that is). What does being "used for sex" mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 05:35 PM
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I agree with your post overall, but I wrote because I'm annoyed that I'm constantly told, directly or indirectly, that this didn't happen or that it's my fault I was taught wrong things. It's my responsibility now to turn things around, but that doesn't make years and years of indoctrination go away. Not the person you responded to, but part of the reason for your experience might be where this happens. Does this tend to happen to you (or do you tend to observe this happening to others) on PPD? …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 05:26 PM
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I like protectiveness in males. Do men generally not enjoy being protective towards women? I believe studies have even shown that women consider preferential treatment as fair, and fair treatment as mysogynistic due to their lifelong frame of reference being on the good side of this dynamic. From a rational perspective, if a man does not feel protective towards women, is he not going against his nature? What would make a man go against his nature? Perhaps negative feelings towards women? Or migh…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/15 06:28 PM
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Moms, dads, teachers, pastors, Sunday School teachers, and other authority figures in a boy’s life carefully and methodically teach him to be “Nice”. Deferential, obsequious, fawning, pedestalizing, supplicating. (Is this in the context of being sexually/romantically successful with girls? I'm going to assume so given that your next point mentions being rejected.) Is this actually true regarding how boys are taught to treat girls? I can well believe that boys are told to be nice to girls, but be…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/15 10:10 AM
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I think it depends on what the woman wants to be. If the woman wants to attain high levels of professional success, she might well find herself encumbered by her gender. The top is still mostly male and those men might be sexist, might prefer other men working alongside them. Women might be taken less seriously than men on a professional level. If the woman wants to be financially taken care of by her partner, then duh it's far easier for her to achieve it than it would be for a man. Still, how …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/15 01:18 AM
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Oh okay, interesting, particularly the bit about the chromosomes. :) You sound like you really hope that AF/BB is not a thing. Why? Uh, maybe it came across that way because I felt pretty strongly/was excited about my argument? I thought about it before in relation to studies that have more females than males reproducing. I don't think AF/BB is a thing as I understand it anyway, or at least not on a large scale. As I recall the main part of AF/BB is that women sleep around with alphas when they'…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/15 04:04 PM
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Which males are more likely to survive a violent encounter? The strong confident ones. Which ones reproduced then? The strong confident ones. What becomes attractive to women? The strong confident ones. Well okay, but if this is how our species spent most of our evolutionary history, why haven't we evolved to produce more females than males? If many males were dying in violent conflict, why make as many males as females? Wouldn't making a male be a bad bet in such an environment? Why not make a …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/15 02:44 PM
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If this is true and has been true throughout our evolutionary history for something like AF/BB reasons, then why are approximately the same number of males born as females? Why haven't we evolved to give birth to more females than males? If at any point there were genes for being more likely to produce females than males, why wouldn't they have spread throughout human populations? And there might be evidence that such genes exist, for example: http://discovermagazine.com/2006/nov/beautiful-daugh…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/15 02:13 PM
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Well, I was originally writing this as a reply to your post here: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3a7xxk/rp_men_and_women_has_your_standards_changed_since/csa5ceu , but then I realized that my points about the age of TRPers might not be very good. Anyway, some things to consider: -All the people who have long-lasting marriages. -Since TRP is a community that helps men to become sexually/romantically successful, it might disproportionately attract men who are not or were not sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/15 11:50 AM
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I assume this is how all men are, right? Wouldn't most men prefer to be with a girl who is 18 or so if they had that option? 16 was hyperbole, but you get the point lol I don't think this is true, because I imagine that most Western men can bring in a third world wife (or fiancée or whatever, depending on how immigration works) and so do have the option of being with a young woman even when they themselves are relatively "old". How many of them do this? If many men did this you might have countr…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/15 03:25 AM
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Jonah (?) Mormont i.e. Daenerys' "white knight": what RP thinks BP men aspire to be Since the last few episodes I'm shipping Dany and Jorah pretty hard. I liked him earlier in the show as well, but I guess he did at some point cross a bit into pathetic. All is well now though. I even kind of have a crush on Iain Glen, the actor who plays Jorah. Yes, yes, TMI. I'm talking specifically about the show Jorah though, I don't think I liked the book Jorah when I first read the books (I first read the b…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 10:55 AM
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but if after my life is over I was offered the opportunity to come back and live another life but with the info I know now, I would seriously consider determinedly slutting it up so damn hard in my late teens and early twenties despite the fact that my nature is the complete opposite. Has this been at all inspired by your exposure to TRP? In some ways, they are a great advertisement for slutting it up as they portray it as a normal thing that the vast majority of women are doing (even though the…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 09:28 PM
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What do you think about his opinion ? Is promiscuity a harmful lifestyle for men too ? Why did this ex-PUA say that ? Well, I'm neither promiscuous nor a man, so I could be completely off here... One thing I can think of is that promiscuity is an unnatural way to live. In our evolutionary environment how many people would we even have known much less had the opportunity to have sex with? How big would the average hunter-gatherer tribe would have been? How many people would we have encountered fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/15 09:39 PM
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I agree that most women prefer men who are masculine and dominant but I also think that women can love betas (caring, more yielding men). I don't know if I agree with putting "masculine" and "betas" into different categories as you seem to be doing here. I don't think TRP's view of "alpha" coincides all that much (if at all) with what it means to be "masculine" in the traditional sense. TRP's main focus seems to be on getting laid a lot. I think their view of what is "alpha" is whatever allows a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 03:11 AM
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How would it being unintentional (are you talking about looking for Justin(s), the manipulation, or both looking for Justin(s) and the manipulation?) make it even worse?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 02:51 AM
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I sort of answered a similar comment below to coco. I assume you meant this comment: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/35zpi4/meet_justin_case/cr9hbz2 ? The post you responded to there was deleted. If you were a man, you would know what I mean by this. You won't explain what "dangerously high penis PSI level" means?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 02:38 AM
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Just how smart do you need to be to understand "red pill theory"? Does it have complicated math equations or something? If BPers truly don't understand "red pill theory", maybe they simply haven't read enough about it. For BPers, reading RP related material could largely be a source of entertainment so they might not want to bother with things like reading the sidebar, manosphere articles that aren't entertaining, the books, and whatever else is out there. RPers on the other hand are presumably …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 02:20 AM
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Actually, you've all met him before. Justin Case is the man (in many cases men) women keep around 'just in case' things don't work out with her current dalliance Chad Thundercock. My view, is that women are more than complicit in Justin's presence - they actively seek him out and usually manipulate him to stay around by dangling the prospect of sex in front of him, but never actually having it. Women also might use Justin in order to shit test their primary prospect- I would be surprised if most…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 12:34 AM
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The solution to low fertility might be automation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU Life extension technologies might be developed as well. If we should worry about anything, it should be what would happen to ordinary people in such a future. If life extension technologies are developed, will ordinary people have a shot at them? As machines become more "intelligent", what will happen to people who will neither be able to do any job that a machine can't do, nor be able to do any job ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 09:37 AM
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I don't know much about ancient Greece, but... Male homosexuality was not common but the norm. Having sex with women was seen as a disgusting but necessary task. What? First, how can something not be common but be the norm? Did you mean male homosexuality was common but not the norm? Second, if that is official history and you're not mistaken, I would wonder how many original sources about ancient Greek society there are, and if maybe for some reason (perhaps chance?) the accounts written by gay…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 07:15 AM
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Take responsibility for your actions. Stop expecting men to pay your way. No more free drinks. No more pussy-pass. No more divorce rape. Be the actual independent woman so many of you claim to be. I think women are wired to want (not sure about expect) men who are able and willing to take care of them. There are arguably biological/evolutionary reasons for this. I'd say that the transition from want to expect might depend on a person's self esteem, perception of their own value, past experiences…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 10:32 PM
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Ignoring the resources and labor a woman might contribute to the marriage, and assuming that the man actually wants something like a lifelong or a really long-lasting relationship... Is marriage something that women generally desire? To the extent that this is true, a man who is willing to marry makes himself more desirable to women, and a man who is more desirable to women is more likely to get a woman and/or is more likely to get a better woman than he would if he was unwilling to marry. Some …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/15 09:37 PM
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Unique flairs are fine so long as they follow the guidelines and give others an idea of where you're coming from. Are there guidelines for user flairs, or are you talking about the guidelines linked in your OP (http://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/2wh382/simplified_guidlines_personal_information_leaks/)?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/15 06:37 PM
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I had my sexual coming-of-age long before the advent of widespread porn (before the internet itself, in fact). My "expectations" of women were set by having sex with women who were fun, willing, and excited to have sex with me. It was way better than porn. In your opinion, how do male and female sexuality differ? Wow - I gotta mark this date in my journal. A non-RP Redditor actually arguing that "real women" have "(much?) lower sex drives than men." Never thought I'd see the day... Not sure if y…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/15 07:57 PM
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Also, I'm aware of the problem myself , but I can't find a better solution. Do you take any medications that can lower sex drive (for example SSRIs)? How attractive were your ex-boyfriends? How good at flirting were they? How good at sex were they? When I was around your age I remember at one point not really enjoying making out with my then boyfriend, we had a period of abstaining from sexual stuff due to religion and that seemed to have really hightened my responsiveness when we did slip up a …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/15 05:02 PM
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Funny enough, in my life experience.... Yes. Women do enjoy giving blowjobs to men enthusiastically receiving them. I understand that is not particularly common. Well, imagine a woman who gave you a blowjob and found your enthusiastic reception of it sexy. What if you wanted that same blowjob every day or several times a week for the next several decades? If the woman had the average female sex drive, do you think it would be realistic to expect her to get sexually excited by your reactions to g…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/15 04:34 PM
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Dude, you do realize you're probably really hurting her, right? She seems to want to get married and have kids but doesn't have a high sex drive (or whatever label is appropriate for her situation). You're pretty much telling her that she's going to be giving her husband a "happiness death sentence". Jesus. If you're going to say something so hardcore, especially to such a young person, at least be sure you're right. I personally am not sure that you're right, and I wonder if porn and modern med…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/15 03:49 PM
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I'm challenging the idea that it is better for women to get married young . How young are you talking about? I think it's better for people (but especially women since it's more realistic for men to marry significantly younger women than the reverse) in general to start looking for their partner (relatively) young. Some people are better marriage material than others. In my opinion actually wanting marriage factors into being good marriage material. The longer you wait, the more good marriage ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 12:31 PM
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How could it be impossible? I mean, the common criteria for attractiveness are pretty strict. Those who are a bit below have a hard time. Those who very far down below average are fucked... UNLESS they have some sort of talent, or extreme amounts of charisma to make up for it, in which case they become the subject of all those uplifting documentaries and "I know a guy" stories. No, I mean, seriously, how could it seem IMPOSSIBLE to you? I said: "I don't even know if it's possible for someone to …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/15 02:14 PM
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Not knowing what you actually look like, I don't know if you're truly so physically unattractive that no woman would want you. I don't even know if it's possible for someone to be so physically unattractive that no woman would want them. So, I wonder, might you be too picky when it comes to women insofar as you go for women who can do much better than you? Have you tried going for women around your level or lower? How about trying with women from very poor countries? There your "value" could be …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/15 01:50 AM
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What is your definition of a "lack of women in STEM"? Under 50%? Under 40%? Under 30%? Under 20%? Here is something that might be relevant (seems to be about the US labor force in 2014): http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat11.htm There are STEM occupations where women are reasonably well or even very well represented. So maybe an important question to ask is why are women quite willing to be (quoted from the list) "Statisticians" (49.9% of "Statisticians" are women in the above survey), reasonably will…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/15 05:47 AM
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I did not listen to the Tom Leykis thing, but assuming your description of what he said is accurate I am very skeptical that this is true: Tom's basic argument is that in general men continue to be expected perform all the traditional male roles, while feminism has convinced women that they don't need to do any traditional female roles. Are men still expected to perform all the traditional male roles? Arguably it's traditional for a man to financially support his wife and any kids they might hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/15 11:14 PM
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Open polygamy has been the reality for most human groups all but a short period of time. (Assuming that by polygamy you mean polygyny.) What fraction of relationships do you think were like this in "most human groups all but a short period of time"? How do you know? Most men are "losers" in the sex game. Most men in history haven't reproduced. Most men are not attractive to most women. Here is something regarding most men in history not reproducing: http://lesswrong.com/lw/h4e/differential_repro…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/15 10:05 PM
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But to get back to the point I want challenged: women have a warped perception of "average". Seems like the main evidence for this is the OkCupid source. Well, how about this: 1. Our perception of what is average is influenced by the (arguably well above average) people we see in the media. Arguably this is more true for people who socialize less in real life and so see fewer "real life" people (this could be more likely to be true of OkCupid users than the general population). 2. Women are bett…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/15 02:04 AM
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I was really surprised by my results. I dated a young woman, who I met through a mutual friend, who is probably a 7 or an 8 in the looks range (by NYC standards) for several dates. I've had women reciprocate interest when I approach in bars and actually had women initiate with me and "use lines" (or at least their introduction came off as a pick-up line), all 6+. Had an attractive 19 year old get very flirty with me (which hilariously seemed to rile some older female friends of mine). This is al…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 07:02 AM
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I think you might have a case if you looked at people in those countries but even then that's a weak argument. In those countries, they have had multiple women prime ministers. Women often are encouraged to take on high status careers. How about when it comes to what's expected of women in relationships/marriages? Might white men treat their girlfriends/wives better than Indian or Asian men?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 04:35 AM
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When I see those posts in /r/relationships I wonder if they are TRP recruiting posts. That said, aren't Indian and Asian men generally more sexist than white men? I wonder how much that factors into the preferences of Indian and Asian women. There could be a numbers factor as well. If they live in a mostly white country, most guys around them are white, so regardless of how they feel about guys from their own cultures they might be more likely to have been with white guys simply because there ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 03:42 AM
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Can you be more specific about how you've changed?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/14 09:10 AM
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From the perspective of evolution it makes sense for men to be more sexually attracted to young women (they are fertile, and in general the younger a fertile woman is the longer she will stay fertile), but that's not all there is to it. Youth is only one factor, and for example it might be better (in terms of evolutionary success) to have children with a 30 year old woman who has great genes than with a 20 year old woman whose genes are mediocre. Also, there seem to be lots of men in rich countr…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/14 09:03 AM
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Are you having more success with LTRs nowadays?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/14 03:30 AM
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Have only recently considered LTRs and very hestitantly. It's hard for me to come up with criteria because I don't actually value myself as a person very highly and don't honestly feel worthy of one, Aww, imagine this situation: A friend in an LTR comes to you and says that he feels he is unworthy of being in an LTR and is thinking of leaving the woman so that she could find someone "worthy". The woman wants to be with him. What advice would you give him? the only one I was in ended horribly and…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 08:34 PM
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Women started it with feminism, And what started feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 08:12 PM
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Edited my other response, in case you didn't see given that reddit doesn't notify about edits.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 06:51 PM
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That's probably the problem - stuff like that can be explained away by saying that it's a bazillion years old and not really relevant for women these days anymore. Especially if you hear through all channels how much traditional gender roles suck and how awesome the modern sensitive man is. The book might be old, but it's still popular: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride_and_Prejudice#Adaptations Pride and Prejudice has engendered numerous adaptations. Some of the notable film versions include t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/14 09:13 PM
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There is 0 reason to incentivize childbirth. I'd say there are reasons to incentivize it among smart, successful people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/14 08:13 PM
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Men are rarely shown how a MAN treats a women well and maintains attraction How does "a MAN" treat a woman well and maintain attraction? (Hopefully this didn't come across rude, I genuinely wanted to know.)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/14 08:06 PM
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Replace 50 Shades of Grey with Pride and Prejudice, that is really old. At one point I was obsessed with Pride and Prejudice, watched various adaptations of it, read fanfiction about it. I remember in my teens being obsessed with Aragorn from The Lord of the Rings. I've been crushing on fictional men since a young age. Granted, I don't know how common this is, but I mean these days I am into a fictional couple and there is a community of people who are also into this couple. 50 Shades of Grey st…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/14 07:48 PM
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If we suppose as per your OP that every woman thinks she's "being reasonable" about #1 and pretends money isn't a big issue to them, then it does in fact present a false narrative. Day-by-day item #1 is becoming less-and-less reasonable. A girl explains "Money is not an issue for me! Really!" But secretly, it's because she doesn't think #1 is not a big deal and isn't even worth considering or talking about. This is misleading for everyone. Expectations need to be recalibrated. Why do you think m…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/14 07:34 PM
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I don't have time now to go through each, but this is already overshooting. Approximately only 20% of individuals make enough money nowadays to keep up with the average household. I'm talking about what I think women want. Men want physically attractive women, but there aren't enough of those for every man either. Also, that 20% could include young men who are just starting out, IMO a more important number is what % of men don't reach the stage of being able to support a family by the time they'…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/14 01:18 AM
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If not for this "objectification" word, which is a placeholder for "sex/sexual desire", men and women both probably wouldn't exist today. I don't agree that "objectification" is a placeholder for "sex/sexual desire". Say a man is in love with his wife, respects her, is interested in her views, wants her to be happy etc. he also sexually desires her and has lots of hot sex with her. Do you think feminists are going to think he's treating her as an object in general? When he sexually desires her? …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/14 07:40 PM
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I'm a 26 yr old man and when I was trying to figure out girls from the ages of like...14 to 24 none of this information was anywhere. Not even "working out" and "eating well"? That having a good body is a part of attractiveness seems obvious, and some combination of working out and eating well is how to get and/or maintain a good body. Or how about "being masculine"? Strength is an aspect of that, you didn't think that being strong was more attractive than being weak? (And I'm talking about vari…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/14 02:06 PM
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I bet you believe that people who are born into wealthy families are privileged. As for male privilege, what do you think of these examples? 1) From "Harvard Business School Case Study: Gender Equity": http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/08/education/harvard-case-study-gender-equity.html?pagewanted=all This was the lopsided situation that women in business school were facing: in intellectual prestige, they were pulling even with or outpacing male peers, but they were not “touching the money,” as Nori…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/14 07:54 PM
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Well, at least you did it for only a few dates, if you were creating situations where they were choosing you over a guy who was serious about marriage then you could have been creating situations where they wouldn't find another guy in time to have kids. People who are over 30 and single could be single for reasons other than a deliberate choice to sleep around until their 30s. Some people could have been in LTRs they hoped would lead to marriage or even marriages that didn't work out, some peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/14 04:49 AM
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Low value in what context? The ability to get laid with women in general? What I would consider low value? The kind of guy I wouldn't want to be in a relationship with? The biggest "low value" sign for me is probably a lack of success/intelligence/skills/achievements/ambition and weaknesses of various kinds. For example, finding out that a guy lives in his parents' basement and plays video games and watches porn all day long would very loudly scream "low value" (unless of course he was very youn…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 02:08 AM
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Strength is the explanation that makes sense. If we evolved during a time when physical strength mattered more, a stronger mate may have meant being safer, having more resources, and also stronger children who would themselves be better at surviving and providing for their own children. Regarding your comparison to France and Thailand, how tall are the men in those countries? In the context of the strength explanation women should care about a man's height relative to other men. All other things…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/14 12:27 AM
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I don't think what's happening in your personal life is evidence that feminism is an elitist ideology (though maybe in some ways it still is, as the idea of pursuing careers isn't really for women whose "careers" might really be shitty jobs). Regarding what's happening in your group of friends, imagine that historically men were expected to do all the cooking and cleaning in relationships. Say many men did not want to do all the cooking and cleaning, fought to change the culture, and somewhat su…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 10:53 PM
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Awareness is a big part. I'll relate it to the change I experienced after first reading the book Emotional Intelligence. I was one of those dudes who supressed emotions. It worked, but it left me more stifled and tense. Developing an emotional repertoire was a huge step forward. Could you give examples of the kinds of things that lead to this outcome: Having learned to express my masculinity more fully, people respond to me quite differently. Other men will act more bro-masculine or white knight…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 11:07 PM
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The one and only reason you feel uncomfortable when you discover your girlfriend has had 50 cocks inside her is because you're insecure. That's your problem, not hers. If someone has slept with 50 different people it means they are the kind of person who wanted to have sex with 50 different people. If you want to marry someone, presumably you want life long commitment, someone who will stay faithful to you. Isn't the kind of person who at one point wanted to fuck 50 different people more likely …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 10:40 PM
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Having learned to express my masculinity more fully, people respond to me quite differently. How do you express your masculinity? What do you do now that you didn't do before? If men are less masculine today, I wonder how much of a factor this is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenoestrogen Xenoestrogens are a type of xenohormone that imitates estrogen. They can be either synthetic or natural chemical compounds. Synthetic xenoestrogens are widely used industrial compounds, such as PCBs, BPA and ph…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 07:31 PM
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Someone mentioned below that they believe women are attracted to violence or potentially violent men. Now, those two things sound similiar but they're not. A man who is physically violent with his partner is not the same thing as a man who is strong enough to be physically violent (with his partner or with others) but isn't. Men who could be violent/physically dominant ARE attractive to me. But I have never been with a man who hit me and it certainly isn't something I want. I mean, is this even …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/14 02:01 AM
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Try to raise them to be good and empathetic people to the extent that this can be taught, and don't do the sorts of things that increase the chances of a person becoming a psychopath (assuming whether someone becomes a psychopath is affected by what their parents do). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Fallon Fallon prominently featured in the BBC production Are You Good or Evil?,[1] where he is revealed to have discovered that he, himself, has the neurological and genetic correlates of psychopa…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 09:00 PM
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This is obnoxiously egomaniacal. Would you say that to a guy who say was only willing to marry a woman who was a 7 and up in attractiveness, intelligent, interesting, and had frequent sex with him? I'm not sure what you're trying to get at. Both situations do not change anything for men. In fact, living in a situation in which physical strength is of primary importance would be even more horrible for men because now the guys who never left the gym have even more advantage over the guys who offer…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 08:19 PM
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Earning enough money isn't really a major issue when you think about it. It is for me. If I were single I don't think a guy who didn't earn enough money and didn't have the potential to start earning enough money within a reasonable time frame would be someone I'd want to be with. I want to be with a man who can provide a comfortable style, spare me the hardship of having to work if I don't want to, make me feel safe and secure etc. Those are all very big deals to me. Doesn't mean providing is e…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 04:43 PM
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Women don't have children by themselves, they have them with men. Do you think men are begging their wives to have 2-3 children only to have their wives shut them down and say "no, it will be 0-1"? I am skeptical. If anything, I would guess that on average women want children more than men want them. And anyway, expecting people to put "society" ahead of their own happiness is unreasonable. Modern societies are huge and full of strangers. There are over 300 million people in the US for example, …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 03:51 PM
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Well I guess there are different levels of being a provider. What % of men can earn enough money to be able to fully support a woman and 1-2 kids in a comfortable lifestyle? What percent of men in say late twenties-early thirties can do this?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 09:55 PM
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What is femininity anyway? The sense I get from TRP is that femininity = cooking, cleaning, raising children, being submissive to one's man. I don't like to do boring and dirty chores. Does that make me less feminine? I'd personally be pretty bothered if I was with a man who had a professional-type job he enjoyed or at least didn't hate and he expected me to do most of the boring and dirty work like cleaning, washing dishes, etc. I feel that a man should want to spare his woman unpleasantness an…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 08:43 PM
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A broader look at "beta" qualities shows that they are the qualities associated with love and partnership. Familiarity, shared values, comfort, security, safety, support, nurturing, etc. Why call these qualities "beta"? What is "beta" about them? You have just described almost every woman's ideal - the perfect combination of AF/BB ("strong, masculine, attractive, exciting" = "Alpha Fucks"; "able and willing to take care of me" = "Beta Bucks"). I don't know that I'd separate those qualities into …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 07:57 PM
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Sure it is attractive, it's just not enough. Just like being tall is attractive, but it's not enough. A tall guy who was emotionally/psychologically weak, physically unattractive (apart from height), and socioeconomically at the bottom might not have women really excited about him either, but that doesn't mean that being tall isn't attractive. (And I'm talking about "really excited", being a good provider could very well be enough to secure a woman, if not enough to get that woman's panties real…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 01:23 PM
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Why do you think women are not drawn to good providers? Maybe the issue is that being a good provider is generally not enough to get a woman really excited about a man? Even if it's not, that doesn't mean that being a good provider is not an attractive trait. If I were currently single and looking for a man, I think I would filter out guys who were not provider material. A tall, muscled, and physically very attractive man who for example was not very smart, not very ambitious, lived with his par…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 01:12 PM
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Getting married/dating makes you BetaBucks by default- stable, 'boring', but a good partner. Women might fuck alpha pitt but they ALSO want a 'relationship' to fullfil other needs. Why does being beta bucks have to mean being boring? The ideal is a strong, masculine, attractive, exciting man, who is also able and willing to take care of me. Being able to take care of one's woman is a type of strength; it requires for the man to earn enough money to be able to do that and not every man can pull t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 12:10 PM
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I wonder how much the modern way of life is ruining love and relationships. RPers complain a fair bit about things like Facebook and Tinder inflating the egos of women, and perhaps there is something to that. It is simply unnatural for a woman (or a man) to have access to huge numbers of potential relationships partners. As I've seen pointed out (I believe somewhere on the manosphere), in our more natural environment we might have had access to a handful of potential mates. Going to throw out co…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 10:54 PM
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If the foundation is there, why is he behaving like this? Is it because he is a shitty partner? (possible, and therefore she is finding out that it would be a bad idea to continue with him) Or is it because he is dissatisfied with her level of contribution to both his life and the long-term relationship, so he is beginning to establish his own independence in an attempt to get what he feel he needs? (also possible, if she has started to take the relationship for granted and no longer feels the n…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 09:13 PM
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How do you see it failing? Well, I'm not speaking from experience, merely speculating, but here is a hypothetical scenario: A woman wants to be a stay at home mother. For this she needs a man who she can trust will stick by her side and be a provider for her and their children. Her current boyfriend is making her feel insecure in the relationship via dread game (say the way he is acting is making him appear distant and not committed and he is flirting with other girls in front of her). She decid…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 06:20 PM
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I don't see female writers doing a lot of stuff differently from what they're doing now. Heck, the most successful female author in the world has parity in her cast and a 2:1 male:female ratio when it comes to the main protagonists; It's not just about the gender of the protagonists, but the stories themselves. Can male writers create stories for women as well as female writers, if they can, do they? I could see writers writing what seems cool and fun to them, and in cases where the writers are …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 05:46 PM
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I've never seen it be ineffective. Where have you seen it? TRP field reports? Maybe they don't write about failures as much as they write about successes?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 05:39 AM
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Why does it have to mean anything other than what it says? Just be yourself = be yourself, whatever that might be, don't pretend to be someone you're not to impress others. Within reason anyway, I doubt it means pick your nose at a job interview if that's what you feel like doing, but maybe it means something like don't pretend to like something because it makes you seem cooler or more interesting when you don't really like whatever that something is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/14 06:47 AM
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I don't know if reversing the genders works in this analogy. Also, maybe as a man you see the sexualization of men by women as a positive thing and so can't imagine why women might be uncomfortable with it? So I'll try to give you another analogy. Imagine most men in society are gay, and have created a society where men are often sexually objectified (lots of sexualized men in the media). Imagine gay men are 2x physically stronger than straight men. Imagine you work in an environment with mostly…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/14 05:10 PM
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Edit: Honest question, why do you seem to think that we ought to modify our behaviors to satisfy the easily offended? Do you think this t shirt is enough to give this man the full press treatment? I think people should be able to feel safe and comfortable in their workplaces. I think having a sexualized workplace could make women feel uncomfortable. I don't think that guy's life should be ruined over a shirt or anything like that. IMO someone at his job should have just told him to change his sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/14 11:51 AM
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Typical attempt at a guilt trip. Honestly pretty soon we're going to be able to flowchart the BP arguments. I live in San Francisco..... one of the gayest cities in the fucking world, where until recently it was legal for old dudes to strut around nude. Where I've seen some of the most degenerate acts known to man in public transportation, where butt plug conventions are the norm..... I'm not going to sympathize with someone over a shirt. Someone is making you uncomfortable? Welcome to life. Try…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/14 11:44 AM
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Anything that isn't kissing feminist ass is "unfriendly to women", next. >.> Do you have a sister? A girlfriend? What if she told you that she got a job at a place where the other employees were mostly men and the big shot boss was wearing a shirt with partially naked women in sexualized poses and making jokes about sex and that this made her feel uncomfortable. Would you sympathize, or think she was some rabid feminist? Thing is SJW's don't really care about professionalism, when it's the woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/14 10:48 AM
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What was the guy thinking wearing a shirt like that? According to his sister, this guy lacks common sense (apparently he's bad at parking and finding his car): http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2832965/He-land-probe-comet-t-park-car-Sister-tattooed-Rosetta-scientist-Dr-Matt-Parker-reveals-poor-driving-skills.html Don't know if that's true of she's helping him do damage control. I think wearing a shirt covered in partially naked women is extremely unprofessional, and I would argue it…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/14 09:37 AM
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How would anyone know about the intentions of the state as a whole? Maybe this is known and people who've studied this know? Anyway, I thought the idea of the Red Pill is that society as a whole tells men false things about how to attract women, and that by taking the red pill men wake up from these commonly accepted falsehoods and see things as they really are (hence The Matrix analogy). Is it commonly accepted that a promise is as good as having your own nukes for defense? I mean I guess it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/14 07:17 AM
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What is so RP about having your own nukes? I wonder if Ukraine gave up the nukes because they didn't want the cost of maintaining them. Maybe they decided that the risk of being invaded in the future was preferable to paying to maintain the weapons over time. Anyone know if this is true? I doubt they gave up the nukes because they thought promises were as good as nukes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/14 06:33 AM
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Alternative theory would be that it's because scandinavia has more muslims, who are known for mistreating women. That might be a factor, but I don't think the 5% of Swedish muslims account for such a big difference in violence. The type of Muslims (and other immigrants) might matter too. I don't feel like doing research, but might progressive countries be friendlier to refugees? http://www.thelocal.se/20140819/sweden-expects-100000-refugees-in-2014 UPDATED: Sweden can expect a record-breaking 10…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/14 04:54 AM
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What does it mean for females to prefer X to Y? Does it mean all females love X and hate Y? Or might it mean that as a group females spend 60% of their time with X and 40% of their time with Y (with some females having a strong preference for X, some, but fewer having a strong preference for Y, and many having weak or no preference for either)? Do tomboys exist? Are there girls who prefer stereotypically male toys to stereotypically female toys? Girls who like stereotypically male toys as much a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/14 03:50 AM
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So what? Do you think there are girls who might prefer the stereotypically male toys to stereotypically female toys, or might enjoy stereotypically male and stereotypically female toys equally? Do you think life experiences can affect a person's preferences, regardless of what their innate predispositions were? For example, say a person had an innate predisposition to really enjoying some type of activity, but their parents never enrolled them, they never got to experience it, and instead they w…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/14 08:26 AM
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That's one weird conspiracy theory there. Males who are in charge of deciding what gets made have a bias for stories that make money. So if "women's movies" aren't even seen by women, where's the point in making them? (check out how many of them you know). Yes they want to make money, but how do they decide what will make them money? If they go based off their personal judgment of what is enjoyable, they might end up disproportionately choosing things that are enjoyable to males. Also do they ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/14 08:11 AM
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I don't think the Bechdel Test is all that great. Twilight is an example of good entertainment for women since many women/girls really liked it, if it fails the Bechdel test then it just illustrates the limitations of the Bechdel Test.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/14 07:54 AM
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Maybe the more mainstream feminists need to reclaim the word hehe. Fourth wave feminism? I think a lack of women in the 1% can affect regular women even if they have no desire to get that far anyway. Might women in charge might make decisions (or in the case of politicians laws) that are more friendly to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 10:06 AM
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What? Explain. Toys are gendered. If you happen to be a girl who wants to play with guns and cars, your parents might not get those toys for you. Or if you were the kind of girl who would have liked those toys in a gender-neutral environment gendered advertising, peer pressure, and parental pressure might prevent you from forming those interests to begin with. IMO toys shouldn't be gendered so that kids can grow up to choose what they genuinely have the most fun with. I'm pretty sure my first co…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 09:22 AM
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I don't know how much of a backlash exists, but here is my take on it: Because the really big issues have to an extent been conquered (women can vote, women can go to universities, women can have careers and there are some women at the top, birth control is available, abortions are available-ish), the people who are feminist activists today are more likely to be extremists and possibly more likely to be lesbian (or why else is there such a link between the pro-gay stuff and feminism?). These peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 06:27 AM
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I don't think using makeup and under garments to improve appearance is anywhere on the level of deliberately creating anxiety and insecurity in one's wife about her life and future. Women with kids are less desirable, older women are less desirable. If a woman gets a man when she's relatively young and childless, hoping to spend her life with him, and after her desirability drops (say she had children, is older) he deliberately creates insecurity in her it could mess with her head, could make he…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 12:18 AM
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I have a rough idea of what "DT techniques" mean based on knowing what's in the Dark Triad. But I have no idea of your assessment is correct, are you speaking from knowledge/experience, or just speculating? Would DT techniques work on someone with psychopathic leanings? Someone with genuine psychopathic leanings might out DT a guy who's just pretending, and sounds like a dangerous person to mess with. Abusing someone (DT techniques sound like they could be abusive) traumatized by past abuse just…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 11:34 PM
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I would argue that what RP describes as "Alpha" traits (and IIRC this does including being a rescuer and protector) were the traits which gave women security and stability and freedom from economic worries. I guess the RP alpha would be strong (physically and presumably psychologically), and while that would make a guy better able to rescue and protect, the other part is actually wanting to. An average guy who really wants to protect his woman would do a better job than a strong one who would ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 11:14 PM
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You're making this woman who "necessitates" the use of DT techniques sound like a scary character. What kinds of situations do you think he has in mind? I wonder if a person who is not Dark Triad can use Dark Triad techniques and feel good about themselves afterwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 07:39 PM
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How is deliberately creating anxiety/insecurity about the relationship in your partner like those things you listed? Or are those the things you try to get via dread game? Would you dread game a woman who had kids with you? Would you make her feel insecure about your commitment to her after she seriously hurt her chances with other men by having your kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 07:05 PM
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So you might be deliberately harming the person you're supposed to love and protect in order to get something you want from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 06:51 PM
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Well I think what you're going for is that in scenario 2 the salesman is merely informing the customer of the fact that there are other buyers, and is not not doing anything shady or harmful to the customer to get them to buy the car. but you titled your post: DiscussionThe case for why "dread game" is NOT manipulation and ended it with: I assert that "dread game", properly executed, reflects what the salesman is doing in scenario #2. Anything else is just manipulation. I would argue that above …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 06:15 PM
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http://therationalmale.com/2012/03/27/dread-games/ The original huff about dread came in the wake of Roissy’s seminal post about instilling a sense of dread in a woman in order to help maintain a consistent frame control in a relationship. Naturally, women’s unconditioned response to this overt assertion of control was to demonize the whole idea of dread. When you think about it dread, as proposed, is really a sense of conceptualizing the potential outcome of a losing the intimacy of a partner a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 05:36 PM
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(Correction: that 20% never married for the males in the 40-44 age group was actually 20.4%) I didn't claim all those marriages were life long and happy. I was responding to a post where you claimed, among other things, that: The average girls fuck the hottest guys when the hottest guys are sick of dealing with the hottest girls’ shit or when they just need an easy lay to get their rocks off. Because the average girls have opportunities to get fucked by the hottest guys, they develop an inflated…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 04:57 PM
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And something I've noticed on reddit is that a fair number of people seem to be really hostile to the idea of a man fully supporting a woman, even going so far as to say that women who expect that are gold diggers. I wouldn't be surprised if this kind of thinking is propagated throughout society to lower discontent among the poorer of us, but IMO moralizing away the man's role as a provider might be making marriage less appealing to women. The idea of being with a strong man who is able to take …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 02:19 PM
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Maybe the lack of bucks is part of the problem. http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files/2014/09/2014-09-24_Never-Married-Americans.pdf Never-married women place a great deal of importance on finding someone who has a steady job—fully 78% say this would be very important to them in choosing a spouse or partner. My possibly wrong impression of US history is that in the past men could get jobs that would allow them to support families easier than today, and college wasn't necessary for this. These day…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 10:28 AM
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Here’s how it really happens: Where? Most people pair off and marry or at least cohabit. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0763219.html In 2010, 20% of men and 13.8% of women aged 40-44 years had never been married. (And presumably a fraction of those are homosexual.) These figures have risen, especially for men (in 1970 only 4.9% of men aged 40-44 had never been married), but maybe this is in part due to cohabitation becoming more acceptable. Either way, at least for the cohort that was 40-44 in 2…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 10:18 AM
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I'm not so sure about that. When RP says "attractiveness" they typically mean base biological lust. You know, pure primal hunger desire. Not simply a positive appraisal of someone or liking them. You don't think women would have base biological lust for a strong man who is able to take away all their worries, give them security and stability? That just feels very basic and masculine to me. I've had lots of rescue fantasies, I remember when men I knew expressed protective feelings towards me. Con…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 03:39 AM
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You're not being very specific about what hurt your marriage. I like for my guy to be sexy and masculine, I wouldn't want to be treated like this though: http://www.np.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/2lltto/she_wont_back_down/ That is not sexy or masculine. Guy is unwilling to provide a laptop for his wife, and then uses dread game on her to keep her in line? Err. I wonder how that's going to work out for their emotional connection, intimacy. And just imagine a leading male in a romance beh…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 02:15 AM
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Some men want love, commitment, intimacy, trust, friendship, genuine desire and so on from their female partners. That's not something you could get from a sexbot (unless they had true intelligence, at which point they would IMO become persons, and also human sexuality at which point aren't you just making humans). Regarding your "step further", how much of their humanity would you need to erase? Would they have free will? Normal human thoughts? The more of their humanity you erase, the more lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 01:31 AM
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Thinking that providing for a woman doesn't add to a man's attractiveness is a big thing that RP gets wrong. Would RPers dispute that women would be more attracted a man who would be her emotional rock and a source of stability for her to one who wasn't? Well, being able to take away a woman's worries about economic security, to take care of her, and make her feel safe is IMO part of that. It's just a sexy and masculine thing to do, and a man who is unable to free a woman from her worry about he…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 12:40 AM
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By BP do you mean would not consider oneself an RPer, or something else? This guy looks very much average. Not too special. Average Joe. I looked like him at 16 or 18. I had the same silly haircut, immature face and not quite fitting clothes. And was thin. I don't know if men are a good judge of the attractiveness of other men. Just looking at it objectively, dude is an actor who was cast as the romantic interest of what I understand was one of the lead characters in the show (I haven't seen the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 12:03 AM
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I don't have a moral problem with people selling sexual services to each other, but I worry that in practice making it legal would mean more women forced into prostitution. Making it legal would arguably increase demand, and if this is taking place in a society where there is a good welfare system and poor women don't have to worry about starving or being on the street, how much money would it take to get a woman to fuck a guy she doesn't want to fuck? What if this guy is poor and doesn't have t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 10:00 PM
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Edit: let's assume divorce is a last resort or even a non option. A good reason not to cheat, if she finds out, divorce could be the result. Also, if you cheated on your partner, could you feel comfortable inside yourself without coming clean? Would that "secret" forever ruin your closeness and intimacy? Why not try to fix the deadbedroom issue instead of cheating? I guess if you're at the stage where the marriage is over and you no longer want to fight for it, but for some reason you don't want…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 09:50 PM
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My impression is that mainstream TRP is not about marriage/serious marriage-like relationships. /r/marriedredpill is a tiny sub compared to the main sub (under 1k subscribers, compared to over 80k for the main sub). I clicked on the "LTR" flair on the main TRP sub and it had only 3 pages of posts. This is for a sub with 80k subscribers. The "Off Topic" has >10 pages (I stopped clicking "next" so I don't know how many more than 10 pages, if someone more reddity than I am knows how to see post cou…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 08:41 PM
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Thank you! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/14 06:05 PM
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Do you think I'm not acknowledging that women have privileges in some cases? I brought up how attractive women could be hired for their looks and sleep their way to the top. I'd think that's more of a female thing as I have the impression that more top people are male, and maybe women bosses would not be as interested in surrounding themselves with good looking male underlings or sleeping with subordinate males. http://www.businessinsider.com/sex-is-killing-the-workplace-2010-8 In that same CWLP…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 02:05 AM
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I think the point isn't that meritocracy is misogyny or misandry, but that what's called meritocracy isn't necessarily meritocracy. From your OP: Generally, at best, a meritocracy turns very quickly into a merit-and-confidence/pushiness-ocracy If your male bosses were promoting the female employees because of their relationship advice, people generally would recognize that as not meritocratic (just as they would readily recognize that a male boss who surrounds himself with attractive female assi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 01:38 AM
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How much of what she did was done as a kid? Was she 7 years old when she looked into her sister's vagina, if so, what's the big deal? How old was she when she was bribing her sister with candy in exchange for kisses? I don't think a 6 year old boy should have been charged with sexual assault. How ridiculous. Something about that story is fishy, I wonder if there is more to it. Why would a DA pursue charges against a 6 year old? Here is the same happening to a girl, although she was 9 at the time…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 01:23 AM
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Depends on the situation. I'd argue that the social game is equally or more important to the quality of work. Life is all about sales. What if the task is writing code? There could be many introverted/socially incompetent people who are nevertheless very good at writing code. If you have a system that tries to evaluate people objectively based on the quality of their work, it could actually end up more meritocratic than including the social game/self promotion. Someone could be a mediocre coder …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 12:56 AM
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If you want to make it as a woman in a man's world, play the game the right way. I'd think the point is that they don't want it to be a man's world. This is from 1998, so maybe things are different now, but: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9523410 Abstract Three experiments tested and extended recent theory regarding motivational influences on impression formation (S. T. Fiske & S. L. Neuberg, 1990; J. L. Hilton & J. M. Darley, 1991) in the context of an impression management dilemma that wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 12:03 AM
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Do you mind talking about the more specific changes he made, or is that too personal of a question?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 11:58 PM
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Yeah, fair enough. I wonder though, if this attractive-in-any-size movement might continue to build up momentum until it becomes powerful enough to mislead some young women - especially those young women who take their cues from parents and quality media rather than peers and popular mass media. It might build up momentum in a place like the US because of how many people these days are fat and how hard it is to lose weight and keep it off. But I think unless people's tastes genuinely change, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 04:55 PM
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Thanks! I think I prefer a manlier man myself, so am wondering if having my guy be more dominant will improve my own libido. When it came to increasing your libido, was it him being more dominant in day to day life that made the biggest difference, or did he also approach sex itself differently?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 04:33 PM
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I don't think women in general are "equal" to men in general, but I think if you start looking at specific traits there will generally be a lot of overlap between men and women. Take something like "ability in math", stereotypically this is something men are better at that women. However if you were to plot the male and female math ability curves, it wouldn't be the case that every single man is better than all women. There would be a lot of overlap. There have been women who are very good at ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 11:54 PM
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I'm not entirely sure what type of answer you're looking for. It was a genuine question. I guess in light of your response, more details about Sex has improved a very great deal, and my own libido went through the roof when my husband started implementing some of the changes. Would be helpful! What specifically did your husband do that improved sex and increased your libido?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 11:23 PM
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Hmm, well I would prefer Man B. Granted, I'm not an HB9 by most men's standards. Why do you think Man A would win in real life? Is this something that you base on experience and observation? Personal anecdote, I had an intense months long crush on a guy whose main "alpha" traits was that he was a lecturer and a graduate student (in math, not exactly known to be a sexy subject), he was probably average in looks, somewhat awkward in behavior (I think he had some OCD traits). My main interaction wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 11:18 PM
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How has it been fantastic for your marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 10:49 PM
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I think a woman will date the best man available to her, and "good man" traits factor into that. Imagine a single HB9, she currently has 2 men wanting to date her. Man A) He is confident and domineering, he demands what he wants, and he gives the impression that he would move on to the next one if he didn't get what he wanted. He's also known to be selfish, mean, has a reputation for sleeping around, has been known not to come through for a friend in a time of difficulty. Man B) He is confident,…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 10:24 PM
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Yeah. And is that "common sense" to you? Because it certainly wasn't for me. No, but I am skeptical about AF/BB being true. I think women try to find the best combination of strong, good looking, successful, reliable, blah blah blah that they can get, I think good husband/father traits should be biologically attractive. I guess in practice people end up settling in all sorts of ways, men and women both, simply because there aren't enough ideal partners for all of us. So maybe there could be some…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 09:55 PM
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I think I responded to a similar objection here: http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/2l1sq2/trp_harms_marriage_who_benefits/clr20hy
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 09:31 PM
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That's one song (and does it actually tell women that fat is attractive, or that curves are attractive?), against the weight of all the actresses, models, and people's personal experiences with what the girls/women who get the most attention from boys/men look like. Maybe an area of a lack of good advice is not telling women not to sleep around. That is not a message I got, although granted I didn't grow up religious/was not really exposed to religion until I dated a religious guy. My boyfriend,…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 09:26 PM
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And on the dating game note. For women it's obviously different ,and I don't pretend to understand girl game. But young men (myself included) are filled with garbage about how to attract women ("be friendly" "be helpful" "treat them as an equal") all of which lands you in the friends zone or just pushes women away all-together. Only through TRP did I find what actually works, be confident and domineering, demand what you want, and if you don't get it then it's on to the next one. Infinitely more…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 09:15 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna%E2%80%93whore_complex In psychoanalytic literature, a Madonna–whore complex is the inability to maintain sexual arousal within a committed, loving relationship.[1] First identified by Sigmund Freud, under the rubric of psychic impotence,[2] this psychological complex is said to develop in men who see women as either saintly Madonnas or debased prostitutes. Men with this complex desire a sexual partner who has been degraded (the whore) while they cannot desire…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 08:46 PM
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TRP is a reaction to the reality. The reality is that young women are largely uninterested in marriage, and their choices reflect this fact. How young are we talking? Here are some stats: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr049.pdf Look at "Table 3. Probability of first marriage among women aged 18–44 years, by specified age and selected characteristics: United States, 1995, 2002, and 2006–2010" specifically. From the 2006-2010 stats, among women who were 25-29 at the time of the interview the…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 08:35 PM
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You'd be surprised how many people are pussies and don't work out. And don't even do anything about it because they think it's fine. This might have been common sense to me and you, but you can bet your ass there are some people who lack even basic understanding. People might know something but not follow through on it because it's hard. Consider the example of being fat. Everyone knows that being fat and out of shape is generally unattractive, a person would have to be a hermit not to notice wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 06:31 PM
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You'd be surprised how many people are pussies and don't work out. And don't even do anything about it because they think it's fine. This might have been common sense to me and you, but you can bet your ass there are some people who lack even basic understanding. People might know something but not follow through on it because it's hard. Consider the example of being fat. Everyone knows that being fat and out of shape is generally unattractive, a person would have to be a hermit not to notice wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 06:26 PM
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That's true, the manosphere bloggers do benefit. There was a popular article on Return of Kings about girls with piercings and tattoos which apparently caused ROK to hit server capacity. Well the guy who wrote that also wrote this article: http://mattforney.com/2014/02/03/how-to-crush-a-girls-self-esteem/ titled "How to Crush a Girl’s Self-Esteem" and reads like a guide to emotional abuse, even has a section titled "Isolate her from her friends and family." At one point it read like a parody and…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 04:33 PM
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Marriage is not advisable even if you have TRP or are a true alpha. Convincing many men not to get married at all would go a long way toward destroying marriage/the family as an institution.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 04:22 PM
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But they are compiled and organized via a philosophy that says things like women are incapable of love the way men are, women have a dual sexual strategy where they spend their youth fucking alphas and then settle down with a beta for his resources, who they later divorce etc. As for it being common sense, common sense to you is not exactly common sense to everyone. And for you to insult people who didn't naturally pick up on the dating game like you, is disingenuous at best. I'm not trying to i…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 04:18 PM
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My point is more about what TRP does to marriage as an institution. Like I said in my OP, I've seen conspiracy-ish stuff on the manosphere that feminism was promoted to destroy the family. Say that was true. Well, if every man accepted TRP what would that do to "the family"? You'd have men who see women negatively, who don't want to be the providing husband, who don't want to marry to begin with, and who put a lot of effort into having casual sexual relationships. If someone was conspiring to de…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 04:10 PM
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Does it benefit men though? Saw a manosphere article the other day about how feminism is the reason so many women are on anti-depressants, the gist was that instead of following their biology and getting married and raising children women are pushed to go for careers and ultimately this makes them unhappy. I can well believe this. The number of people with meaningful careers is not high. Well, is the plate-spinning/casual sex lifestyle without love, intimacy, trust, family etc. beneficial to men…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 04:04 PM
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What sorts of divorce rulings? I'm guessing alimony and division of property? Would TRPers want wives who are not career women but also not pay alimony/divide property in the event of divorce? How would this even happen as long as women vote? Retroactive retracting of consent? Is there a law that says women can do this?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/14 02:17 PM
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I wouldn't worry about that - mainstream feminism also downplays the misandry at its fringes, and any mainstream masculinist movement would have to do the same. However, odds are that they'd still promote a narrative that is irreconciliable with feminism an a political agenda which pushes back against the changes they implemented. But the changes that feminists have actually implemented include things like voting rights, getting women into previously male-only universities, making it easier/poss…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/14 11:12 AM
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I would have liked to be able to post on the red pill sub (not that I have anything against this sub, but it's much smaller compared to trp so not as much opportunity to post/discuss/debate), but I suspect they'd ban me for my views.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/14 08:02 AM
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The experiment had people choose their top 3 traits, since they were forced to choose it doesn't mean that the other traits were unimportant to them or that they would want someone who has their top 3 traits but lacks the others. I don't think that kind of forced ranking is very useful, except to refute your claim that confidence, assertiveness, and ambition are the top 3. Anyway, moving on from that survey, intelligence is a provider trait, but it's also a good genes trait. Either way, my argum…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/14 07:14 AM
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I don't think those are the top three qualities that women look for in men. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17380374 BBC Internet survey participants (119,733 men and 98,462 women) chose from a list of 23 traits those they considered first, second, and third most important in a relationship partner. Across all participants, the traits ranked most important were: intelligence, humor, honesty, kindness, overall good looks, face attractiveness, values, communication skills, and dependability. On…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 08:57 PM
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Do you believe there is a feminist backlash growing? Maybe. Starting with teenage years sexism really bothered me, I would have identified as a hardcore feminist and things like women's standing in society, sexist stereotypes, women's portrayal in media were big deals to me. I still care very much about the media stuff, but it's not as much a "moral" issue for me but more of an issue of me wanting entertainment I enjoy. (Though I would still say that young girls should have good female role mode…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 08:25 PM
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What are German and Austrian immigration policies like? Might they be more selective/less friendly to refugees? For example, Denmark seems to be the worst in terms of violence and: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Denmark#History_and_background During the 1980s and 1990s a number of Muslim asylum seekers came to Denmark. In the 1980s mostly from Iran, Iraq, Gaza and the West Bank and in the 1990s mostly from Somalia and Bosnia. Some of those who sought asylum had been charged with terrorism…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 11:53 AM
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By the way, the most feminist countries seem to have the most violence against women. Coincidence? I think not. How do immigrants factor into this? Netherlands has a lot of Muslims, France has a lot of Africans. Just looked up Denmark, and 3.7% (or 4.8% seems there are different stats) of their population is Muslim. 4.4% of UK's population is Muslim. Sweden might have quite a few Muslims, though it's not clear: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Sweden Islam has, as of 2009, 106,327 officiall…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 11:01 AM
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it would be like me telling you that you're a vegetarian because you can't afford meat, even though your mouth waters at the sight of steak I think a person who can't afford meat would have a powerful motivation to convince himself that he doesn't want meat after all/that meat won't make him happy/that meat is unhealthy/that meat is immoral etc. Kind of like the "money can't buy happiness" stuff. A helpful belief to have if you're poor, because then instead of being sad and envying rich people y…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/14 10:36 PM
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:/ I'm not interested in Protestant Heretics thank you. It's bad enough I have to go amongst the Orthodox. You're funny. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/14 09:27 PM
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As a Mexican-American I have personally experienced this in my own little ghetto. There's whiter, more affluent green card/marriage/professional visa immigrants, and there's the illegales, the former tends to vote Republican even though they are socially more liberal, the latter is socially conservative as fuck, but who support Democrats because that's the only party that doesn't want to shoot them on sight. Do the more affluent=socially more liberal and less affluent=socially more conservative …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/14 09:10 PM
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There are many conservative religious people in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/14 08:36 PM
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So he should move to a worse place to live to avoid having people not "sympathize" with him? Even if he cares about that sort of thing, just how much hate is a guy in his 20s marrying a foreign white woman going to get? Although if he wants a Ukrainian woman specifically, he might try his luck with recent Ukrainian immigrants before learning Ukrainian and going to Ukraine. Not sure if immigrants are more or less traditional than those who stay behind though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/14 08:24 PM
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Are Ukrainian women particularly traditional?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/14 08:09 PM
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I wouldn't call marrying a man to get out of a bad situation prostitution. But yes, I suppose there would be some social consequences if a middle aged man brought in an 18 year old wife from the Philippines. Still, how bad would these social consequences be? If a guy is more worried about people thinking he "bought" his wife than having a hot young wife, how badly does he want that hot young wife to begin with? Maybe the older men just love their older wives and would prefer to be with them desp…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 06:39 PM
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The Wiki link after the Daily Mail link has a distribution. In 76.7% of marriages (in the US) the husband and wife are within 5 years of each other's age Husband 20+ years older than the wife = 1% of marriages Husband 15-19 years older than the wife = 1.6% of marriages Husband 10-14 years older than the wife = 4.8% of marriages Husband 6-9 years older than the wife = 11.6% of marriages A young woman dating 50 year old is one thing, marrying him is generally a really bad investment as he has mayb…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 06:23 PM
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you don't have to worry about your husband going off with a 20yr old because though he may be willing I bet reasonably well off Westerners (or maybe even poor by Western standards) could relatively easily get very young women from the third world. The fact that they generally don't do this suggests maybe they aren't all that willing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 06:09 PM
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Thanks :)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 05:47 PM
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It likely would not because women don't value casual sex. They value committment. However, they tend to not be able to get committment without trading sex. Therefore, it's better for women to have casual sex because at best, it secures committment and at worst, you still got sex. It's better for RPers that women have casual sex. It's probably better for most women to withhold sex until there is commitment (backed up by something like a man giving his resources to the woman) for a period of time …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 06:49 AM
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And this is the type of thinking that leads to people like you ( assumption ) trying to label a regular straight guy, who never needed or wanted a lable as that cis whatever the fuck it's called. I think in this analogy "regular straight guy" = dictionary/encyclopedia definition of feminism. And anyway, are you sure RP are not anti-feminism in the dictionary/encyclopedia sense, but only in the "super liberal in your face feminists who will go to any lengths to maintain control over everything th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 04:49 AM
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If you could find an average to good looking woman who is one of 2 or 3 casual sex partners to a guy (or could see herself being in such a situation), and she was aware of what drives her and was willing to be perfectly honest with you even if it meant hurting your feelings then you could find out what works/would work on her. (And if she has friends she knows very well, she might be able to tell you what would work on them.) And if you asked more women, you'd get more answers. You could also as…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 03:45 AM
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If they are against only a subset of feminists rather than feminism in general, why say "anti feminist" rather than "anti X-type of feminist". I mean I'm a feminist but there are probably feminists that I would not agree with. Since B) had "anti feminist" in its description, I think it's reasonable to assume dictionary/Wiki definition. BTW it may not be a common red pill view, but I have seen RPers suggest giving women the vote was a bad thing. Just searched the reddit sub and found this comment…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 01:38 PM
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B) A fit, disciplined redpill man focused on self improvement, who also happens to be sexist, anti feminist, and unapologetically self centered. Someone who is sexist and anti-feminist* (and I'm not thinking of the "let's pretend there are no gender differences" style of feminism to the extent that it exists and is not a strawman, but the women's rights/opportunities and the like sort) is a threat to my well being as a woman. This person could be in a position of power making decisions that hurt…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 08:06 AM
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nor do I think I fall prey to the notion that I only pay attention to the life experiences of hot girls. Well okay, but I hope you see how saying stuff like "I would strongly argue young adult women have much higher self esteem" might make me think you might be thinking of the hot girls. Being nice, being available, and not being disgusting is all it takes to get boys attention, especially when they're horny teenagers and would fuck pretty much anything. , Since she's met us (She's the only girl…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/14 07:43 AM
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I think you're right that we're going in circles. I'm not saying that something like strength isn't masculine (I think I used the word "fake" to say that TRPers might pretend to have some trait when they don't actually have it in order to increase their chances of getting laid). However someone who becomes strong in order to do something masculine like protect his family is more masculine than someone who becomes strong because it makes him look good and makes it easier for him to get laid a lot…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/14 12:36 AM
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That's true, but they also say things like avoid marriage, and if you do marry then marry a woman from a more traditional culture, and if you do that don't bring her over but go live over there because she will become corrupted by Western values (granted I'm not sure what % of them think this way, as going to live in a more "traditional" country which is maybe poor and shitty sounds very extreme). I'm not sure if many of them actually want a traditional wife, or if they simply lament how "bad" w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 11:28 PM
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What % of RP men do you think are interested in LTRs rather than spinning plates/casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 11:19 PM
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Well this whole discussion started with you saying: The only people who don't like traditional gender roles are the ones who don't fit them. They want to get rid of the measuring stick that they don't live up to. Sry not sry I don't respect girly men. I don't think TRPers generally fit into traditional gender roles, or at least not what is traditional in Western society (heavily influenced by Christianity). How do you think the people of say 100 years ago would have reacted to a man whose goal i…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 11:07 PM
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To me gender roles imply a path in life that a person would take, not simply personality traits. TRP's main focus seems to be on sexually attracting (hot) women and self improving themselves (or faking it) so that they can achieve this goal. Maybe I'm wrong on this, but that's the impression I get. I don't find their aim to be traditionally masculine even if they develop (or fake) masculine traits like bravery to do it. Imagine the difference between a man who works on being brave/appearing brav…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 09:19 PM
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Is RP actually for traditional gender roles? Traditional is marriage, traditional ideal is a man being the provider and protector. RP is against marriage, and have negative things to say about the "beta bucks", they also seem against the idea of men being the "disposable" gender (i.e. being the ones to fight in wars, letting women have lifeboat seats first). What is so traditional about sleeping around with lots of hot young chicks?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 08:36 PM
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I don't know whether or not it does. You gave this link in the OP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_suicide Gender differences in suicide rates have been shown to be significant; there are highly asymmetric rates of attempted and completed suicide between males and females.[1] The gap, also called the gender paradox of suicidal behavior, can vary significantly between different countries.[2] Statistics indicate that males die much more often by means of suicide than do females;…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 08:02 PM
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So do you think Freud would have said that women wanting to vote = penis envy?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 07:53 PM
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http://www.economist.com/node/21541713 Every year the country comes to a halt on the day of the exams, for it is the most important day in most South Koreans' lives. The single set of multiple-choice tests that students take that day determines their future. Those who score well can enter one of Korea's best universities, which has traditionally guaranteed them a job-for-life as a high-flying bureaucrat or desk warrior at a chaebol (conglomerate). Those who score poorly are doomed to attend a le…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 07:29 PM
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Never studied Freud, and don't particularly care to. I don't think you need Freud to say that women have desired the sorts of things men have in this society. That was kind of the point of the whole feminism movement... to get for women the sorts of things that men got to enjoy and women were denied/excluded from.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 07:23 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis_envy Penis envy (German: Penisneid) is a stage theorized by Sigmund Freud regarding female psychosexual development, in which female adolescents experience anxiety upon realization that they do not have a penis. Freud considered this realization a defining moment in a series of transitions toward a mature female sexuality and gender identity. In Freudian theory, the penis envy stage begins the transition from an attachment to the mother to competition with the …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 04:53 PM
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Why do you feel young adult men have better self esteem? I would strongly argue young adult women have much higher self esteem (taking into considering self esteem works differently for either gender.) I put self esteem in the pre-college section, and I was thinking more about puberty-->high school ages when talking about self esteem. So I take some issue with your use of "young adult" in this context. That aside, you know how red pillers say that women only see the alphas, well this comment sou…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 04:49 PM
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I'll just focus on how I think male experience would have differed. Pre-college: More likely to get toys like legos and video games, more likely to be involved in team sports, purchased athletic equipment like bicycles etc. Depending on parental sexism maybe more likely to have parents send you to math/science oriented programs. Better self esteem, less worried about your weight/appearance, your social status is far less tied to your appearance, you're far less likely to end up starving yourself…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 03:02 AM
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Succinctly put, one purpose of male status/agency, among others, is to attract women, whereas one purpose of female status/agency, among others, is to filter out men. It might not be a reason but a reason that it stayed around even though there remains the question of why this isn't the case with more animals. Or maybe it's to attract a partner in either case, because things like status/agency or whatever could signal good genes, and men and women both should be attracted to good genes. Men and …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 01:13 AM
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It really reared it's ugly head, though, after my son was conceived. What happened?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/14 05:06 AM
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"Men" and "women" are not single entities, but huge groups consisting of ~3.5 billion individuals each. Pick any quality and chances are there will be a lot of overlap between male and female distributions. Think of some stereotypically male trait or skill, and chances are there will be women who are very high in that trait/skill. There might be more men like this than women, but there'll still be women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/14 08:43 PM
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Or does the "game" imply some intentional action on the part of one of the partners? I'd think so. If simply being more attractive than your partner/being around people more attractive than your partner as part of your job/having someone more attractive than your partner show interest in you = dread game, why call it dread game than say simply "being around more attractive people than your partner" etc.? This could instill dread in your partner, but if it was not done intentionally, how is it ga…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/14 10:11 PM
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I doubt it. I think for TRP "equal rights" would be saying what happened to the woman in the example below isn't any worse than if it happened to a man. http://www.np.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2jxbmu/actress_complains_about_sexism_because_she_was/ Female actress was actually beaten up by a guy during a fight scene and she told about it as an example of sexism she experienced, there aren't many responses to that thread now but there is no sympathy. One of the posters there says: That doesn…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/14 06:57 AM
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The woman could be trying to get the attention of a specific man she has a crush on, not men in general. She could be dressing that way to show others how sexy she is for the purposes of showing her status as an attractive woman. She could be showing off to her female friends. But sure it's possible she's dressing that way to get the sexual attention of random men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 08:26 AM
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Do you think this near death experience and the outlook you have now has improved your quality of life? I guess it's hard to ask you this question, because you say you don't care about happiness!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 08:07 AM
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I visited a friend in Amsterdam awhile back. No overweight people. Period. And they eat a unhealthy processed foods. The difference is they don't drink much soda, have smaller portions, and walk or bike everywhere. A change that small is transformative. http://www.cbs.nl/en-GB/menu/themas/gezondheid-welzijn/publicaties/artikelen/archief/2011/2011-3514-wm.htm The percentage of people in OECD countries with serious overweight (obesity) has nearly doubled to 17 percent over the past 20 years. With …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 12:47 AM
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Being yourself involves taking action. Not merely a cognitive belief that "I'm great just the way I am." I think that depends on who the person is. Some people's nature is to take action, other people's nature is to be "inactive". Regarding HAES which you gave as an example of neuroticism that uses "being yourself" as an excuse, the obesity epidemic is for the most part the result of modern food (maybe lifestyle to a degree as well, but I doubt something like walking more would wipe out the effe…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 10:45 PM
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While I think commitment is implicit in a LTR and your SO should be extremely important to you it is both foolish and risky to place anyone ahead of yourself in your priorities. A person can't possibly have a positive effect on a relationship if he/she is falling apart because of self neglect. If your partner is the most important thing in your life, it doesn't mean you don't have other things going on in your life, it just means you have something far more meaningful to live for. Maybe there ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 07:50 PM
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I don't want to act like I'm some kind of expert on true love. Maybe this is more of an expert take: http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2012/05/24/true-love-how-do-you-know/ Maybe this is more of a real world example http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ohio-couple-married-70-years-die-15-hours-apart-1.2615895 A couple who held hands at breakfast every morning even after 70 years of marriage have died 15 hours apart. Helen Felumlee, of Nashport, Ohio, died at 92 on April 12. Her husband, 91-year-old …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 09:38 AM
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For example, a couple of times she called me at work not 5 minutes after I first got there in the morning to say that if I didn't come home right then to talk about our marriage, she was leaving with our daughter. She could have very easily approached me before I left for work, or even given a hint...but she waited until I was at work and on the clock. At a job that was our entire income. The way I understand shit tests is they are something TRP says a woman does to test how "alpha" the man is b…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 07:57 AM
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What is success with women? Getting laid a lot, or finding love and spending your life with the person you love? With advice about how to be more attractive and how to interact with women come a lot of negative views about women. If a person buys into those views, might they be hurting their chances of finding true love, having a successful marriage? TRP talks a lot about getting laid and spinning plates, but /r/marriedredpill has ~800 subscribers. How important is TRP for advice for how to be m…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 05:05 AM
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Were you less nice in the beginning of your relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 12:40 AM
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Is it actually taboo for men to talk about female hypergamy? I am skeptical. Isn't the fact that women want to marry up/want to marry well off men/blah kind of common knowledge?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/14 10:14 PM
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Going to guess that the woman who gets support talks about how sad she feels whereas the man who gets told that no one owes him anything talks about what a nice guy he is compared to those other assholes and why don't those hot bitches fuck him already.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/14 10:10 PM
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I read through it all, and it was the fact that I was so nice and accommodating that caused her to not want to be with me, but also made her feel guilty about what she was doing. "He's just so nice!" was said by her multiple times. Did she straight out say that the fact that you were so nice and accommodating made her lose attraction? After you got married, how far did you deviate from: I was not in any way an asshole, but I wasn't a "nice guy". I was a good man, which is an entirely different t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/14 10:00 PM
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That's definitely something to consider. How did your mom and her friends make it work?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 07:24 PM
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Can you give more specific examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 07:14 PM
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I told my boyfriend about the captain/first officer thing and he started saying stuff like "make it so, Number One" hehe. I think in practice my boyfriend is the leader in our relationship. He doesn't actively lead, but throughout being with him he has completely transformed my goals in life (for example I thought wanted to have an academic career/be a researcher of some sort, and now we want to work for ourselves, which was hugely transformative for me and starting a business is probably not so…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 06:25 PM
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They were adding up time spent on paid and unpaid work, so it would be including things like housework. Men tend to spend more time in paid work (so jobs), but women tend to spend more time in unpaid work (so for example housework or taking care of children), and if you add up all the time they spent women tend to work more in OECD countries. Source has graphs and stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 04:44 PM
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If what is true?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 06:52 AM
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Men shit on women today, just look over at what they say about women in TRP. In the US women got the vote in the 20th century. And how about the acceptance of women in traditionally male fields? Men chose to treat women like shit, create boys clubs and exclude those women who wanted to do more traditionally male things, insult women's basic humanity by saying things like women are incapable of logical thinking and other sexist stuff... well why are you surprised? I mean really. At some point wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 06:50 AM
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What is the difference between deference and subservience? My exposure to the Christian view was via religious forums where women would quote Bible verses and talk about being submissive wives. Example: http://www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/ephesians/passage.aspx?q=ephesians+5:22-33 22 You wives will submit to your husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For a husband is the head of his wife as Christ is the head of his body, the church; he gave his life to be her Savior. 24 As the church submits to Chr…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 05:37 AM
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In OECD countries, if you add up time spent in paid and unpaid work, women tend to spend more time on work than men: http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/19/in-most-rich-countries-women-work-more-than-men/ Feminism happened for a reason, if there hadn't been sexism and the treatment of women as second class citizens, maybe there would have been no feminism. And I bet if men weren't walking around shitting on women saying how we're inferior, can't do math, can't think logically blah blah bla…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 05:03 AM
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No. Not that. Wives who give equal value to their husbands in exchange for what they get in return. Which is a rare thing in the west, in the eyes of many men, through practical considerations, regardless of what you believe. How would you even quantify this? If anything, if feminism pushes for more equal roles (i.e. say both the man and the woman work, and both the man and the woman do things like cleaning and child rearing), wouldn't their objective value (to the extent that it exists) be more…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 12:53 AM
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But TRP says a lot of mean things about women, how do RPW feel about that? Also when I say TRP I don't mean the reddit sub, but just the idea of taking the red pill, I've looked at the Roosh V forum before I looked at the reddit version, but I think of all of them as "the red pill" type of stuff. Regarding jobs/careers, I guess it's a hard distinction for me to make. Sure someone who works part time as a cashier with no serious hope of advancement has a "job", whereas someone who say works 80 ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 12:11 AM
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So do most of you have careers then? What do RP women have in common with TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 11:32 PM
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I think some of TRP's criticisms of (some types of) feminism are warranted. For example the more radical sort that denies the existence of gender differences, that pushes women who'd rather be housewives to have meaningless "careers" (just how many women have meaningful careers). As for what feminism took away from men, I suppose subservient wives who obey them, do all the cleaning, the ability to force sex on their wives, things like that. Beating one's wife and getting away with it is probably…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 11:13 PM
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Your entire premise is flawed because you are projecting the nuclear family (husband+wife+kids) into the past, when the reality is that the proto-tribal arrangement would have been built around a lack of knowledge of fathers. I'm not projecting the nuclear family into the past, I'm saying fathers mattered. Fathers can be very important in the context of a tribe, nuclear family is not necessary for them to be important. And by the way, here is a bit about !Kung who are (were?) hunter gatherers: h…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 10:37 PM
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I don't think I've argued for 1) --> not 2), where are you getting that from? You've jumped from "Women don't want casual sex" to "Women engage in casual sex with attractive men because those men are sexually attractive and they are sexually attractive because they exhibit provider-type physiques and attitudes ." What I am "conflating" is AF and BB. I don't think they are separate. You really believe AF/BB so you assumed that when I was talking about what is sexually attractive I was talking abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 10:01 PM
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Interesting :)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 09:26 PM
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You see, you seem to think being a 'provider' is the most important thing here. It's not. Well, human kids are weak and helpless for a very long time. It takes us a very long time to grow into adults. Since sex and everything related to it is ultimately about the survival of genes, providing is pretty damn important. And if you think of what it took to provide as a hunter-gatherer, I think it corresponds pretty well to what is sexually attractive. Strength/fitness are testosterone-related and en…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 08:57 PM
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I'm saying that to point out that evolution might not be prefect or optimal. If there was some "shortcut" that worked to identify good genes (if a man is bringing resources, maybe he has the genes to get them), women could evolve to find that sexually desirable. A man so old that he's close to death is probably going too far, no matter how good he is at getting resources a dead man can't feed his kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 07:58 PM
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I think I might have changed my post a fair bit after you responded and it addresses some of what you raised in your response. Specifically: I think it makes sense for the kinds of traits that would have made hunter-gatherer men good husbands/fathers to be sexually attractive, so things like physical fitness, health, resilience, intelligence, but IMO also commitment and loyalty. Yes maybe in the modern word, which is not natural, you could have men who in hunter-gatherer societies would have bee…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 07:47 PM
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The purpose of sex is ultimately for our genes to pass themselves on, so it makes sense for women to want sex with (the best available of) whatever traits help their genes pass themselves on into future generations. The whole point I was making in my OP is that casual sex is something that women should have evolved to avoid because in the absence of modern technology sex=pregnancy and pregnancy is a big risk, also human children take forever to raise and need resources, and to the extent that co…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 07:25 PM
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Women's testosterone levels are highest during ovulation, so their sex drive is higher at that time. I don't take hormonal birth control, and I can often tell when I'm ovulating just by the sex drive increase (the other time the sex drive goes up is during my period lol). Higher sex drive would naturally lead to more sex. And yes, women are attracted to more masculine faces when ovulating. (Hormonal birth control also changes what type of men women prefer.) http://news.discovery.com/human/life/w…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 06:33 PM
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People fall in love, sometimes obsessively, are crazy about each other. Plus, these days a lot of the brainwashing and social engineering promoting monogamy is gone. Divorce is fairly accepted. Yet if you look at some subgroups of people (say college educated whites in the US), their divorce rates are quite low. There are plenty of people who are forming life long pair bonds, and these days no one is forcing them to. Plus if you consider entertainment type media as a reflection of what people wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 06:18 PM
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I think I agree with you that superplayers tend to accumulate a higher number of partners than even the biggest 'whores.' The remaining men average numbers below that of the average women. That's consistent with AF/BB. Okay I agree that mentioning the male median wasn't so useful, it would have been if it was the average though. Since male and female averages rather than medians should be the same. Still, say women exaggerate downwards. Do you think they are exaggerating downwards from 10 or say…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 06:12 PM
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Referring to my OP, do these sound like "retrospective assumptions" to you: 2) Without modern technology (i.e. throughout our evolutionary history) there was no effective birth control, so sex could be assumed to lead to pregnancy, though I suppose people could have killed their newborns as a form of birth control, but... 3) ...without modern technology pregnancy itself is quite risky for the woman, she could die etc. Wasting a pregnancy (and remember without effective birth control sex leads to…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 05:55 PM
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We're damned by our preferences. There aren't a lot of highly attractive men out there. There are plenty, and if they are willing to have lots of casual sex, all the young and at least moderately attractive women should have their shot with them, no? So any woman who is not straight up ugly should be able to accumulate say 100 partners if she actually wanted to. For example, in a public university there might be thousands or tens of thousands of students. With 10k students, that's 50 men in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 04:20 PM
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But the 'risk' is not as great if the BB guys have reason to believe it might be their kid. And that's why the increased attraction to "alpha" qualities during peak fertility within a woman's cycle + hidden estrus are so important in understanding human behavior. This is an argument for why cheating exists, not for AF/BB. I agree that in one way it would be advantageous to the woman to get better genes or simply different genes and pass the kid off as her mate's, but on the other hand this is in…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 01:56 PM
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Commitment is part of genetic fitness as I argued in point 7), and which you didn't address. 7) Also strength-related traits have strong genetic components, perhaps commitment/good "husband"/good father traits do as well. If a woman has kids by a man who doesn't want to commit, or who would make a bad "husband"/father then those kids would inherit those genes and perhaps would not take good care of their own kids. The genes of women who are willing to have casual sex should be at a long term dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 01:33 PM
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What makes you think that? The fact that we pair bond, it's obvious that people fall in love, genuinely want to be in exclusive relationships. Why did this behavior evolve if all children were equally raised by everybody? Also, many men are attached to their own children and not so much other men's children. You see this now, hard to believe that hunter-gatherer men wouldn't have had a preference for their own. Men are sexually jealous, suggesting a defense mechanism against investing resources …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 12:49 PM
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I've never hooked up/had ONS, so I don't know if the scene is somewhat rapey or not. Although... given women's biology I don't think hookups is something that women should naturally want. Biologically sex can well equal pregnancy, pre-modern technology pregnancy is dangerous, and taking that level of risk with a guy who is not committed, who will not help raise the resulting child sounds like something women should be biologically wired to avoid. Modern culture messes with what's natural to huma…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 09:34 AM
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Isn't a gold digger someone who is with another person entirely/overwhelmingly for their "gold"? Surely there are men who behave this way? There might simply be more opportunity for women to do it because a) I'm guessing there are more rich men than rich women, and b) maybe women are less likely to be interested in men purely for their looks. But at the same time, women could develop true attraction to a man because of his "gold". Women are turned on by status/power/success/achievement in the wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 09:16 AM
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I think the kind of guy who either -deliberately seeks out timid girls who might be too shy to say no or -who feeds girls alcohol/drugs in order to get them to have sex with him while knowing they would be far less likely to do it sober might be scared by this law into not doing it. I don't think it will affect normal couples, friends with benefits, or people who genuinely want to have sex with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/14 12:31 PM
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An analysis of figures for Britain shows that in 1949, 20 per cent of women married husbands with significantly higher levels of education than their own. By the late 1990s, the proportion of women who were “marrying up” had almost doubled to 38 per cent. Similar patterns are seen across much of Europe, the US and Australia. I wonder if the reason for this is that in 1949 people were more likely to marry straight out of highschool when they were young and had similar education levels. Or maybe w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 05:27 PM
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1. I think women respond to physical attractiveness and positive "masculine" traits like strength, leadership, competence, initiative, some level of successfulness, ... 2. I think women would also want a man who would be loyal, maybe who would be a good provider, who would treat her well, care about her happiness, be willing to sacrifice for her, who would be a good father to their children and all that stuff. Is a guy who is both 1. and 2. alpha or beta according to TRP? I think a man like that…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 12:31 PM
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How about sharing your life with the person you love, being best friends, being a family? Some people want more than sex. Many men and women do need each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 10:19 PM
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Maybe to some extent physiological arousal in women exists to minimize/avoid genital damage during penetration? So say if a woman is exposed to sexual images, even if she's not psychologically aroused her body might be telling her "I'm next, best get wet if I don't want to get hurt". No idea if this is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 06:34 AM
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I can sort of see where this affirmative yes stuff comes from. Maybe some women are timid/shy/can't speak up for themselves/can't say no, and so when the man starts doing sexual stuff to them they don't want it but go along with it and later end up feeling shitty about it. Some guys might be predatory and might intentionally try to take advantage of the shyness/timidity of some women and their inability to tell the guy to stop. I still wouldn't call it rape though (well unless the guy started th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 02:48 AM
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Did someone say that was rape?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/14 11:43 PM
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You might also be interested in this, though it's not about "the workplace": http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/19/in-most-rich-countries-women-work-more-than-men/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0 It looks at paid and unpaid work that men and women do. So for example in India women work more than men if you include unpaid work (Indian women work on average 94 minutes per day more than Indian men). I think that looks at OECD countries only though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/14 01:19 AM
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I don't know offhand, but I think it would be hard to compare a country with feminism to one without it simply because in a country without feminism a woman with a well-earning husband who wanted to, but didn't have to work might not have opportunities available to her due to lack of feminism, or the work culture might be unfriendly to women. India is a poor country, but: http://qz.com/176658/india-has-the-lowest-workforce-participation-rate-of-women-among-the-brics/ Few states—including Iran, P…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/14 10:21 PM
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I just did a google search and came across this: http://www.cnbc.com/id/100637647#. About 70 percent of married moms who attended top-tier universities such as Princeton and Harvard were employed in 2010, according the analysis. That compares to about 80 percent of married moms who attended the nation's least competitive universities, said Joni Hersch, the law and economics professor at Vanderbilt University who prepared the data. The married moms from the nation's best universities also tended …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/14 12:57 AM
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But traits that are associated with "niceness" (or "niceness" with these traits) - being inoffensive, overly respectful of boundaries, timid, etc. are; while traits that are associated with "jerkiness" (or, again, vice versa) tend to make one more attractive - and that's the source of the observation that women prefer assholes. Being timid might not be attractive in a man, but being a good person would be. If you're going to marry someone you want to marry someone who will be committed to you, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/14 12:09 AM
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But how many women want to work full time? http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/20/national/20women.html?pagewanted=all Many women at the nation's most elite colleges say they have already decided that they will put aside their careers in favor of raising children. Though some of these students are not planning to have children and some hope to have a family and work full time, many others, like Ms. Liu, say they will happily play a traditional female role, with motherhood their main commitment. Also …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/14 11:24 PM
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Unnecessary when infant mortality is high and a large percentage of your population dies in battle, as was the case for HG groups. Having lots of children, and beginning early, was simply the norm for most of human history. One only need to look at existing HG groups to confirm that. For instance, the !Kung people in the Kalahari desert typically marry men in their 20s to women from 14-18 years old. Would hunter gatherers have been having a lot of battles? With a low population density and plent…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/14 11:00 PM
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I changed my post after you replied, so if you're interested feel free to comment on the changes. In the modern world, I agree with choosing a man early, but not too early. I just don't think a teenage girl in her mid-late teens would have the decision making skills needed to choose a good partner (and people who get married early have higher divorce rates). I also don't think someone that young would be a good mother. I've seen stuff on the manosphere recently that most men (young or old) actua…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/14 08:44 PM
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I'd say this is pretty RP. AF/BB - when you were younger and were at your sexual desire peak, you were more (subconsciously) focused on securing genetics. As fertility and sexual desire declines, you look towards other "provisioning"-type factors. I think when you're say 13 or 15 you're just not thinking about marriage and spending your whole life with someone, also younger brains are not fully developed: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2892678/ Neural connections that survive the pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/14 08:09 PM
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You have a point, here is a more extreme example too (although it has a good ending): http://www.np.reddit.com/r/TheBluePill/comments/1gar5n/not_satire_i_just_felt_the_need_to_share_this/ But on the other hand, in the case of a single woman, maybe being aware of RP could enable her to identify RP behavior and the kind of thinking that's behind it so that she doesn't end up with a man who views women that way. For me, probably the most hurtful thing RP says is the stuff about aging. I don't know …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/14 07:25 PM
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No DT person would do this. I wasn't saying that a person who might decide to share resources with others in a famine is DT. (Though a DT person might do that if they calculated it would be a net benefit to them in the end, such as if they became viewed as a hero and got elected leader after the famine.) I just think it's possible to be too "good".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/14 06:56 PM
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I think you misunderstood me. True DT might well kill his wife to safe his own life. I wouldn't want to be with a true DT, they sound like straight up evil people. But I think it's possible for someone to be too "good" as well. Like say there was a famine, a guy who was too good might decide to share resources with others and risk the survival of his wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/14 04:15 AM
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Not sure what you are asking? Bad people are bad, and I suspect being with a bad person could be a pretty bad experience. Being a good person is important, but not so good that you won't be willing to hurt others if that's what needs to be done to protect your family. I'd rather be with a man who did something "bad" and ensured my survival in the process rather than one who put the principles of being good over my survival. There was a thread on the Dark Triad on the Roosh V forum http://www.roo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/14 03:05 AM
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One issue with this comparison is that women could be less willing than men to hurt someone's feelings over their weight. My opinion is that when women look for relationships many other factors might start coming into play (personality, how well he treats her, whether he can support a family etc.), on the other hand when women look for casual sex looks could play a far greater role. Maybe that's why there is a red pill debate over this. It could also be an age thing. As far as I remember, when I…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/14 02:39 AM
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You could ask in /r/relationships for general advice to balance the RP view.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/14 12:04 AM
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According to him The world is just a horrible place for any guy I guess who isn’t in a Fraternity, an athlete, super rich, or just super attractive. Guy sounds angry. It sounds like he really wants to live the kind of life that the high status men live, but doesn't have it and is pissed about it. The alternative is horrible to him. (Unless he was being sarcastic when he said it, I admit I didn't read what he wrote too carefully.) I guess he's raging at the nature of things. I guess the ways out …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 11:57 PM
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Is both is it possible that you two hardly even mix in real life? Is it possible that life experiences really differ? Don't know if I'd call myself blue-pill since it's not a philosophy like red pill. And while I might agree with some aspects of redpill, I don't like it as a whole and I think being exposed to RP views has hurt my self esteem. But apart from the internet I don't think I generally would have mixed with the stereotypical TRPer. Since my mid-teens I've kind of been a hermit. I've ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 06:11 PM
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a recent real life event for me: at a party, I met a friend of the woman I was with there for the first time and thus got a first-hand impression on what women talk about when nobody looks. It was interesting to talk to her, to say the least. She (a tad dense, but pretty looks and sexy, yet a single mom by courtesy of some past lover) was talking about her great her boyfriend was (she showed us a picture, he seemed to be a pushover from the looks of it and had the appearance of a piece of modern…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 10:20 PM
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Essentially dangling the mere perspective of some romantic relationship in front of an admirer's nose who is hopelessly in love is like giving a junkie the promise of a shot. It's basically someone actively trying to prevent someone from recovering when all you could do to become better is going cold turkey. I had a crush on a course instructor and interacted with him a lot. I would say the interactions with him were exciting. I really wanted to get him to like me, was hoping he would ask me out…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 07:34 PM
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Well, I certainly think that these numbers aren't right. Half of all men have had more than seven partners? Even more egregiously, more than 1 in 4 had over fifteen? I call bullshit on that one. Well, among males 20-24 years 14.4% have had 0 partners, 19.1% have had 1 partner, 18.1% have had 7-14 partners, and 14.2% have had 15 or more (the median is 4.1 partners). Does that sound more realistic to you? Maybe the truth is somewhere between the male and female numbers? That's an extreme scenario,…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 11:07 PM
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that the hamster is very real and you just shouldn't ask women about certain problems What is "the hamster"? The way RPers talk about women sounds very dehumanizing to me. Is "the hamster"="rationalizing"? Do men do it too? What problems shouldn't you ask women about? that feminism by and large sucks and both the masculinization of women and feminization of men are just retarded But a lot of feminism is about women being treated like individuals and seen as people too. Things like the right to v…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 10:26 PM
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Why would he get married otherwise when he could continue as he was before? He wants her to produce heirs for him? He wants a "trophy wife" to increase his status? He wants a socially savvy wife to help him network? Maybe after a certain age being unmarried would have a negative effect on his status/opportunities (for example, could an unmarried guy get elected president, maybe married elites don't like to mingle with older bachelors)? Maybe when guys like that get married they DO continue as be…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 04:16 PM
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Yes, they are that desirable. These are the guys that most women want and by virtue of most women wanting them get to have their fun. If they are ever ready to settle down, as Clooney now seems to be doing, the fact that they've been playing the field does not detract from their appeal. Certainly the kind of wealth, power, connections etc. that men like that have would be very appealing to some women, but I suspect being with a man like that might come with a price. Would he be the kind of man w…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 01:40 AM
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So which of your opinions ARE RP?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 01:09 AM
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So if the vast majority of women between 30 and 45 said that they had only 3 or 4 partners, this would logically mean that the standard woman is in a committed LTR; only had very few relationships before that, never cheated or faltered and never had any kind of casual sex. Sorry, I don't buy that for a society where having premarital relationships isn't just allowed, but actually the norm. Did you take a look at Table 3 in the source (http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr036.pdf)? Here are some…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 12:39 AM
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A person who has sown their oats goes into a monogamous relationship with no regrets about having missed out on having done anything. They experience fewer doubts about alternatives because they've seen first hand what else is on offer and don't take monogamy as lightly as those who enter into it out of a lack of having had alternative opportunities, doing so through choice rather than lack of options. What would TRP say about marrying a woman who has sown her oats? Red Pillers don't take wives …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/14 08:27 PM
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The redpill asshole would be how non-redpillers imagine them to be, an utilitarian redpiller would be more like... well, guys who avoid being like the guys in the second group. My perception of redpillers comes from reading stuff in their communities. Regarding straight up being an asshole, here is a Roosh V forum thread where they took "the dark triad" test: http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-23162.html A lot of those guys are scoring astronomically high on narcissism and psychopathy (though it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/14 07:06 PM
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Post comments or start your own threads? How strict is the censorship on the TRP sub? You identify as 75% RP 25% BP? What if you started making posts that weren't RP through and through but had that 25% BP in them, would you get censored? Banned?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/14 06:20 PM
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But if you dislike career women and value housewives as RP men seem to, why don't you value them enough to say that it's not all his stuff? How about things like having children, raising those children, doing all the traditional wifely duties that RP men expect from their wives? It seems very off to me to dislike career women, value women who put family first, but then say things like "his stuff" as though the salary is all that counts. Maybe there should be a law requiring part of the husband's…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/14 03:51 AM
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I think your point would apply to small subs with a lot of opposition. Maybe RPW is such a sub. TRP on the other hand is huge. It has 75K subscribers now. This sub, existing specifically for debate has 2.8K subscribers. Say half of these are BP people who want to debate RP ideas, there is no way such a small number would destroy a sub with 75K subscribers. Something like the Roosh V forum could for example introduce a section of the forum that wasn't censored, while keeping the other parts censo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/14 03:42 AM
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I would allow them to exist, but maybe I would require them to stop censoring their sub. They could post whatever they wanted (well provided it was not illegal), but they would also be prevented from banning/censoring others for disagreeing with RP views so that people who wanted to debate them could. RP communities seem to be heavily censored. Roosh V forum seems to ban anyone who doesn't agree with the orthodoxy. The rules say women are not allowed to register. Apparently new members on the RP…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/14 02:50 AM
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It might make her despise him. I'm all for supporting divorce in this kind of scenario if and only if the man doesn't lose half of his stuff. Think about it, in this hypothetical, the woman would be at fault, not the man, so he should not have to lose his assets in a divorce. Now, if this kind of divorce system were not in place, then I'd say she'd have to suck it up and deal with it. Men have to do that a lot nowadays, I don't think it's that big a deal for a woman to do so. But you don't know …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/14 02:42 AM
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What if the reason she's not having sex with him is that he is abusive?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/14 01:52 AM
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Cheating I think a person who has a history of wanting to sleep around a lot and spin plates is less likely to stay faithful to a single (aging) woman for the rest of his life than someone without such a history. Maybe that's not always true and people change, but probabilities etc. Now you're saying RP advocates brutal honesty, and while I can't recall RP material advocating not cheating on your wife/LTR, say you're right. Now if you're a woman and your husband tells you that he's leaving you f…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/14 01:48 AM
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Let's explore this further. Say you mandate by law that she has to have sex with her husband once a month, and if she doesn't she... has to do community service? Pay a fine? Go to jail? Legal consequences for not having sex sounds like a huge infringement of personal freedom. Would you support this kind of law? Say you had this kind of law. Some wives might opt for divorce rather than the choice between sex they don't want or legal punishment. Other wives might choose to have the sex rather than…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/14 08:34 PM
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So what's the middle ground if the wife doesn't want to have sex? That she should be mandated by law to do so once a month? That the husband should be able to force her to have sex once a month? I don't see how you can have a middle ground with this without allowing rape or severely restricting personal freedoms.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/14 07:52 PM
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Also, with your bullets at the end you clearly don't understand Red Pill e.g. Red Pillers being more likely to cheat? Dread game relating to psychological well being? Failing to differentiate between techniques for spinning plates and managing a successful LTR? Do a little more research about TRP to find out why these statements are so wrong. Why don't you just tell me why you think my statements are wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/14 07:42 PM
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The reality is that once formal education became a thing, there were always a few women who wanted to be educated and engage in intellectual pursuits. Those who were serious and dedicated enough to push passed male skepticism often got what they wanted. Look at Marie Curie, she won the Nobel Prize in 1903, when the "oppression of women" was in full swing. If some were able to achieve despite oppression, it doesn't mean there wasn't oppression. Marie Curie had an education and was able to attend …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/14 07:10 AM
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Well, the way you describe it the feminine role didn't differ all that much from the masculine role. Kind of like the way it is now? Nevertheless, when it comes to oppression, you've covered craftsmen and farmers, how about academics of various kinds, lawyers, doctors, judges etc. Would the wife of a judge also get to be a judge? Would the wife of a scientist get to be a scientist? Maybe these women were few in number, as how many people had those sorts of professions anyway, and weren't enough …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/14 05:50 AM
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Suffragettes are not feminists, and even if you insist on counting them as such (and watch you refuse to take credit for their other accomplishments, like the tender years doctrine, etc.) it takes exceptional and ridiculous obtuseness to compare the struggles of women to win the vote with the struggle of men to win the vote. Why are suffragettes not feminists? The History of feminism Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_feminism) includes them. Suffragettes fought for women's rights, sp…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/14 05:21 AM
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And the reasons why (upper middle class white) women wanted a change in gender roles in 1963, and not, oh, say 1563 or 1063 or 563, so on is quite simple: Technology made women's role too boring. 1963 is the first time women wanted a change in gender roles? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_feminism#Wollstonecraft_and_A_Vindication Perhaps the most cited feminist writer of the time was Mary Wollstonecraft, often characterized as the first feminist philosopher. A Vindication of the Rights o…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/14 04:49 AM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_strike#British_and_American_suffragettes British and American suffragettes[edit] Clipping from World Magazine, September 6, 1914. In the early 20th century suffragettes frequently endured hunger strikes in British prisons. Marion Dunlop was the first in 1909. She was released, as the authorities did not want her to become a martyr. Other suffragettes in prison also undertook hunger strikes. The prison authorities subjected them to force-feeding, which the suff…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/14 04:30 AM
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I bet if you asked modern conservative/traditional women who might be openly anti-feminism if they would like to go back to a time before women could vote, before women could get a higher education, before women could have the ability to do things like be doctors and lawyers, before greater help for female victims of domestic abuse and so on the vast majority of them would decline. And what women really want in a man is right there in the super popular romances that women go crazy about. How man…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/14 03:40 AM
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My position is that masculinity and femininity in western civilization have been under continuous assault for three generations now, and that our society has largely forgotten how to teach either or why gender roles exist. I am referring primarily to the the mainstream, urban Western culture dominated by capitalism, liberalism, feminism and rational materialism. The more rural, conservative, and Christian areas have managed to better maintain clear concepts of masculinity and femininity, but are…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/14 02:42 AM
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Part of what makes me feel a sense duty towards my man is how well he treats me, which includes not expecting me to do tedious household chores all by myself (even if I did not work and he earned all the money). Housework is generally boring and unpleasant. If I had to do it all I'd feel like a maid. It would not make me feel good. I think how well he treats me is a big part of what makes me think of how he deserves a happy life, creates a sense of loyalty and duty. Regarding "alpha widows": htt…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/14 02:04 AM
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I really think we should make a table comparing a utilitarian redpiller with a "redpill asshole". What would be some of the differences? The negative view on "beta bucks" is less contempt towards men who are able to provide for a family, but towards women's attitude towards these men and how they compartmentalize their needs (getting excitement, adventure, raw and kinky sex and possibly their children from alpha bad boys, and then roping in a provider who enables her lifestyle). I would think th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/14 10:14 PM
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Is there a single physical test for all police roles? Aren't there police jobs that don't require much physicality (interviewing witnesses, interrogating suspects, writing parking tickets etc.)? Do all police have to go through the same path, or do they get slotted into roles best suited to their talents? If the latter, it might make sense to simply have different requirements for different jobs within the police. That way effectiveness wouldn't be compromised, but you also wouldn't require peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/14 03:25 AM
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I don't believe in sexist laws. If the laws are not sexist, they can apply equally to everyone. If you make laws that are optimized for the male nature and are unfriendly to the female nature and then apply them equally to men and women, then men would flourish under such laws and women would suffer.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/14 01:58 PM
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I did say that people should be treated as individuals and not be discriminated against because of their gender. But I do think the laws themselves should take biology into account. In my opinion the most drastic biological difference is pregnancy and all that relates to it. So for example not having laws that require companies to accommodate pregnancy and breastfeeding makes workplaces something that is more for men than for women. However, it's possible for transgender men to get pregnant, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/14 01:48 PM
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I doubt a significant number of feminists use "equal to" to mean "same as". It's pretty evident that men are not the same as women. If there are people who truly believe there are no biological differences between the sexes, I imagine they are a fringe and not taken seriously by most. I would even say that treating men and women as not having biological differences would be anti-feminist because there are biological differences. For example, if you have workplaces built around the assumption tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/14 01:01 PM
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I'm attracted to masculinity in men. I don't think TRP really tells men to be traditionally masculine, in fact I see red pill men say things that are against traditionally masculine roles. I see things on TRP like don't pay for dates and negative comments about how men are "disposable", but a traditionally masculine man should expect to pay for dates and be the one to be to be on the front lines and to preform physically demanding and dangerous jobs. TRP seems to be against these things. There i…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/14 11:10 AM
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You say it's a "rough realization", but is it even true? Plenty of people in the West have relationships. On the other hand, how many Red Pill men are in long term relationships/marriages? marriedredpill only has 551 readers, whereas TheRedPill has ~74k. Are there many stories in Red Pill communities about successful marriages/long term relationships? Why do you want to make your future woman submit to you/impose your will on her?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 05:26 AM
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I think if I, as a heterosexual woman, came to believe very negative things about the true nature of men and thought that I would never be able to have a loving relationship with a man (and my relationship with my man is pretty much the most important thing in my life), I suspect I would be very unhappy. Maybe I would go through an anger phase and then move on into the depression/bitterness phase, but I don't know how I could be fully happy believing that the thing I want the most is not possibl…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 03:13 AM
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Is calling it a phase correct? Does the anger stop? What is it replaced by? I am not an expert on red pill stuff, but from what I've seen a negative view of women seems to be kind of built into a lot (all?) of red pill views. So if the anger phase ends, does it just mean the man has become at peace with how "awful" women are and now views and treats them accordingly without raging about it? If so, I don't really see how that is any better. I'm not sure why you mentioned censorship, but as a woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 02:07 AM
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