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| -2 | This sub keeps failing, here is whywhy do you need data to come to conclusions that you yourself could observe in real life? Because you do not "observe" it like an objective experimenter, you only "experience" it. Which makes it a matter of subjective unverifiable belief. Things such as TRP that are not verifiable are either beliefs or metaphysics. And debates about beliefs or metaphysics have in common that they are pointless. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/16 03:57 PM |
| -1 | This sub keeps failing, here is whyMy mind is too pragmatic to participate in a sub that engages in pointless discussion. Not sure what your response has to do with that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/16 03:00 PM |
| 1 | This sub keeps failing, here is whyYou can't Science! around nuanced social issues and psychological programming. Human beings, their behavior, etc. cannot be reduced to data points and regression models. So TRP is a group of people with strong opinions. They have no data to back up their opinions because it's, as you correctly point out, impossible. All TRP members have going is to show how they "feel" the world is supposed to work. Isn't that a bit too much about feelings and too little about facts to justify its existence? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/16 02:55 PM |
| 0 | This sub keeps failing, here is whyWell, if the spectators are hidden, then this sub can debate on eternally without ever knowing if any side managed to convince the spectators. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/16 02:24 PM |
| 1 | This sub keeps failing, here is whyIf the purpose of this sub is to have no purpose, then it's fine. Maybe my mind is just too pragmatic for that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/16 02:22 PM |
| -1 | This sub keeps failing, here is whyExcept on this sub, the debators are also the spectators. Therefore no one is ever convinced of anything the other side says. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/16 02:20 PM |
| 0 | This sub keeps failing, here is whyCan you link to the post from wiki depthhub? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/16 02:17 PM |
| 5 | This sub keeps failing, here is whyThis sub may have succeeded as a leisure activity, a good way to fill boredom with time spent on reddit. But for the reasons mentioned above, don't expect any real outcomes of this debate. It reminds me a bit of philosophy, which has a similar problem of "endless discussions with no outcome", but for different reasons. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/16 02:14 PM |
| -3 | The way TRP worksYou are overestimating the "emotional stability" of someone whose SMV is below average. Pointing out the alpha/beta dichotomy makes him feel even worse about himself and may paralyse for any further action. The first time confronted with TRP, the scales fall from his eyes and he gets sucked into this new internet world that promises him the riches of alpha-dom. Little does he know that only those with above average SMV have even the slightest chance of reaching it. After the first failures, he b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/16 05:03 PM |
| -1 | The way TRP worksPossible, in the end it's just a matter of risk assessment. Does the below average beta want to give up his right to reproduce just because he fears the risk of divorce? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/16 02:30 PM |
| -1 | The way TRP worksWhat TRP thinks is AWALT only applies to women with high SMV. A 30+ woman has low SMV and thus has pretty good reasons to stay with you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/16 02:27 PM |
| -1 | The way TRP worksSure I believe that there are divorces, it can be pretty tough for either side, but so is life and I surely wouldn't call it rape. The risk is pretty manageable by being selective with 30+ quality women. Where wood is chopped, splinters must fall. If the average guy is too afraid of chopping wood (having kids, marry), then there won't be any splinters (divorce). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/16 02:21 PM |
| -1 | The way TRP worksYes, but this is only because of your distorted sense of reality. Relationships with 30+ women are quite stable because of the wall. Men can lead a happy beta life with them, unless TRP convinces them that being beta is bad. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/16 02:09 PM |
| -1 | The way TRP worksNo need to think in extremes: The majority of below average guys will find their match once the 30+ women stumble upon them. They won't be alphas, but they will be happy nonetheless, that is unless they stumble upon TRP in the meantime that convinces them otherwise. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/16 02:03 PM |
| -1 | The way TRP worksOf course, a man may have "an inner urge to improve success rate". Then there is a difference between these two scenarios: The man seeks counsel and is given encouraging advice on how to improve his chances with women. The man finds a group of people that implicitly point out that the he is a loser and there is only one (their) way to fix this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/16 01:33 PM |
| 0 | The way TRP worksNobody's taking your money. However, the basic alpha/beta ideas that were used by PUAs to get clients attached to their product are still the same. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/16 01:05 PM |
| -1 | The way TRP worksCan you even read? I said the early PUAs end of 90s were business men selling PUA ideas. Guys like Mystery, Strauss, I don't remember all the names. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/16 12:55 PM |
| 1 | The way TRP worksNo, I'm pretty convinced that they are right on a number of things. However, they are wrong on one fundamental thing: that any average beta loser can simply improve and become the desired alpha male. That's fairytale stuff and not how biology works. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/16 12:53 PM |
| -2 | The way TRP worksThere may not be a particular policy behind it, but it is effectively happening (that TRP makes dudes dependent on their counsel). The reason for that is simple: Even though TRP loathe to admit it, their foundations were layed out by PUAs years before TRP even existed. And the early PUA pioneers were there for one specific reason: To make money. They were essentially internet marketing gurus and pretty good at that. Even though the money making is not in place anymore, the basic principles such … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/16 12:48 PM |
| 3 | What is the best piece of evidence AGAINST r/TheRedPill?I could also ask "What is the best piece of evidence for TRP?" "Success" in that regard is virtually impossible to measure. Sure you can count the notches, but that won't give you any idea of the satisfaction or happiness it produces in a particular individual. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/16 09:48 AM |
| 3 | Can men escape the burden of performance?It seems that more than anything else, the typical career woman competes in order to be branded a "strong, successful woman" or to be a "single, independent mom", rather than for access to mates. Men are generally not sexually attracted to the mere fact that a woman works 80 hours per week or is higher up in the hierarchy. If she wanted to compete for access to mates, she would invest in her looks and femininity. I get that this is due to a cultural shift; the feminist imperative forbids the wom… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/16 07:16 AM |
| 7 | Can men escape the burden of performance?Try calling a woman "worthless loser". That doesn't sound quite right, I'm sure you'd agree. The term "worthless loser" implies that a man can only be worth something if he performs according to society's expectations. It's a shaming instrument to make men perform like puppets. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 09:43 PM |
| 3 | Can men escape the burden of performance?Yes, this is quite a mystery. Why do men and women constantly want to to keep up with the Joneses? The evolutionary psychologists will give you an explanatation for why men would compete for access to mates, but why on earth would women want to compete? That's where their theory breaks down. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 08:26 PM |
| 6 | Can men escape the burden of performance?I don't think you can establish that an inferior financial situation necessarily implies that the man will be unsuccessful with women. The only thing that is prima facie implied is that the man will not be seen by women as a potential provider. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 08:15 PM |
| 1 | The role of competition in today's worldThis selfish father theory sounds more like something Dawkins would have written. So unless you can provide a scientific review that discusses this concept, I am going to assume that it's bullshit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/16 03:29 PM |
| 1 | The role of competition in today's worldSo it is the personal theory of Matt Ridley who happens to be a journalist rather than a scientist? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/16 02:50 PM |
| 1 | The role of competition in today's worldThis all sounds a bit too esoteric to me. Can you link me a scientific publication that deals with this concept? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/16 02:07 PM |
| 1 | The role of competition in today's worldI don't quite get the "selfish father" theory, the allele would have to be on the Y chromosome to be father-specific and all this doesn't really relate to competition at all. In any case, there is a difference between the two reasons to compete: Survival of offspring is not an issue anymore in a modern welfare state. In Switzerland they are voting for or against basic income this year. In such a system I get that males would still have to compete for mates (or would they?). But why would females… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/16 12:52 PM |
| 1 | What percentage of the opposite sex that you come into contact with on a typical week would you consider attractive?As a dude I would say that less than 1% of the girls that I see are pretty. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/16 06:29 PM |
| 6 | Idea: find an accredited evolutionary physiologist and have him do an AMA hereIt has happened already on YouTube, several professors have talked about red pill ideas. See my comment below. We might as well contact them to participate here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/16 08:57 AM |
| 8 | Idea: find an accredited evolutionary physiologist and have him do an AMA hereSome evolutionary psychologists have actually spoken about red pill on YouTube: Mills SD2 Prof. Glenn Geher Assoc. Prof. Michael Mills Prof. Miles Groth Mills SD1 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/16 08:51 AM |
| 1 | Discussion thread on the Meta-Review of Women's Sexual StrategiesLet's look at the actual evidence the review provides. The sources of evidence for dual-mating adaptations include nontrivial rates of extrapair paternity around the globe and the specificity of women's desires. Extrapair paternity is as mentioned quite low. So in itself it doesn't really provide any evidence of a dual mating strategy. And if it was taken as evidence, then we would have to conclude that a very low percentage (<10%) of females actually employ that strategy. The other evidence tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/16 06:28 AM |
| 1 | Discussion thread on the Meta-Review of Women's Sexual StrategiesThis is the relevant paragraph from the review: Extrapair paternity in humans. Women in all parts of the world engage in voluntary extrapair sex. In the U.S., for example, 15%-20% of women report that they have had extramarital sex at some point in their lives (Laumann & Mahay, 2002). Although systematic underre- porting of infidelity is likely, female adultery is listed as a primary cause of marital dissolution cross-culturally, suggesting that it is not a rare occurrence (Betzig, 1989). Furthe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 09:30 PM |
| 1 | Discussion thread on the Meta-Review of Women's Sexual StrategiesOne interesting challenge would be to see if the evolutionary theory actually holds across the whole phylogenetic tree. Do all pair-bonding animals that are ancestors of humans display extra-pair mating? If not, it would be an indication that the observed effects are behaviorally acquired and culturally inherited rather than passed on via genes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 08:20 PM |
| 1 | What is the difference between TRP and MGTOW?When it is brought to the attention of TRP that they are just pussy-pandering, they immediately deny that and say "no TRP is all about improving yourself". When you bring it to attention of MGTOW that they are just lazy losers, they immediately deny that and say "no MGTOW is all about improving yourself". So how much overlap is there between TRP and MGTOW then? And how does TRP identify itself outside of Reddit? Are they just called PUAs? How are MGTOW and TRP called in real life? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/16 03:41 PM |
| 1 | Assume feminism never happened. How would the dating world look like today?Divorce rate (if it's legal) would be lower, since most women wouldn't have a way of supporting themselves Interesting. However, in a highly globalised world there are many potential mates available, that means that most women would not have the fear of losing support because they could readily find a new supporter. Do you think that divorce rates would still be lower in this highly globalised non-feminist world? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/16 10:52 AM |
| 2 | Assume feminism never happened. How would the dating world look like today?Assume those old traditions have been overcome. They are independent from feminism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/16 10:33 AM |
| 2 | CMV: The majority of contemporary popular music for youth is catered towards the feminine imperative, that is, the interests of women.They are a metric for what the average (IQ=100) is listening to. That doesn't make the metric particularly special. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/16 07:58 PM |
| 7 | Does mainstream dating advice encourage men to defer to women?Obama is right, a happy marriage can only happen if a man fully defers to the woman. A man has no rights in a marriage, so he better do what she says. He can try to be dominant, but he will soon realize that she is going to test him until he is either compelled to hit her or lose his dominant composure. Either way, it is going to end badly for him. Hitting the woman was standard procedure until like 60 years ago. Just look at all the films of that time. Since hitting the woman is not possible an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/16 05:40 PM |
| 9 | Your favorite MGTOW related, or applicable quotes?"Marriage is about the most expensive way for the average man to get laundry done." - Burt Reynolds | /r/MGTOW | 01/01/16 02:40 AM |
| 1 | Does the "masculinity crisis" exist? How do blue pill and red pill define masculinity?Well, then I would call it "personal crisis" rather than a crisis of society. Social outsiders have always existed. Just think back to your highschool days. Before the advent of the Internet, these outsiders had to deal with it one way or another, no one really gave a shit. It is only nowadays that these social outsiders have become visible and vocal in the form of Internet groups like TRP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/15 07:43 PM |
| 2 | Does the "masculinity crisis" exist? How do blue pill and red pill define masculinity?It is only false if you take it literally as in "men and women are biologically identical". It is harder to disagree with the normative statement "men and women should be equal and have the same rights and opportunities". Here it is not the statement itself that is the problem, but rather the way it is interpreted and implemented. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/15 07:06 PM |
| 7 | Does the "masculinity crisis" exist? How do blue pill and red pill define masculinity?So the idea is that individual freedom has increased for both sexes, yet women can manage to cope with this freedom much better than men? Is that so and if so why is that? And to the sentence "men naturally desire validation from women": Is this a recent trend? Would you have said 100 years ago that "women naturally desire validation from men"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/15 06:58 PM |
| 4 | Does the "masculinity crisis" exist? How do blue pill and red pill define masculinity?Male suicide rates have been dropping since 1997. The only reason why people are alarmed is that female suicide rates have been dropping even more. See figure 1 in this article. So your concern about male suicide is not substantiated by the data. Here is another graph from the US that shows that male suicide rates are essentially unchanged since the 80s. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/15 06:28 PM |
| 6 | Does the "masculinity crisis" exist? How do blue pill and red pill define masculinity?I get that this inconveniences men, but it doesn't really justify the word 'crisis' right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/15 06:09 PM |
| 2 | Does the "masculinity crisis" exist? How do blue pill and red pill define masculinity?Fight Club was 17 years ago. As you point out, people were already then talking about a 'masculinity crisis'. And nothing really happened to Western society since then that would qualify as a crisis. So we can conclude it's just fear-mongering? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/15 05:45 PM |
| 1 | Does the "masculinity crisis" exist? How do blue pill and red pill define masculinity?Well, the question is whether this is a real crisis that has any affects on society as a whole (not only TRP) or if it is just the usual fear-mongering of the media. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/15 05:45 PM |
| 4 | Does the "masculinity crisis" exist? How do blue pill and red pill define masculinity?Drop out of all that shit. Don't marry, don't have kids. Have fun. That works very well into your 30s, maybe 40s. The challenge is to have fun past that age. Luckily technology is quite advanced nowadays, so it probably doesn't really matter. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/15 04:08 PM |
| 5 | Does the "masculinity crisis" exist? How do blue pill and red pill define masculinity?Failed to answer my questions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/15 03:22 PM |
| 4 | Does the "masculinity crisis" exist? How do blue pill and red pill define masculinity?The military is hierarchical and bureaucratic for a reason. Men in the military are equally affected by this. But I support your advocacy for more women in the Marine Corps. Women should get dirty as well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/15 03:20 PM |
| 7 | Does the "masculinity crisis" exist? How do blue pill and red pill define masculinity?True, Harry Potter is the definition of masculine. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/15 03:16 PM |
| 8 | Does the "masculinity crisis" exist? How do blue pill and red pill define masculinity?discover who they REALLY are lol at empty phrases. What does a man need to do to discover what he REALLY is? Why is this important in the first place? ...we would have better men around. Better for whom and to what purpose? Better for society? How do you measure if something is better for society or not? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/15 03:11 PM |
| 3 | Does the "masculinity crisis" exist? How do blue pill and red pill define masculinity?I hate the word "social construct", because when people use it they always assume that everything is 100% a product of social interactions. The reality is that everything is strongly biologically interconnected and there are no clear boundaries between what is hardware and what is software. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/15 02:39 PM |
| 2 | Does the "masculinity crisis" exist? How do blue pill and red pill define masculinity?In theory, saying "men and women are identical" would seem like the ideal case. Unfortunately neither sex is very thrilled about the practical ramifications of that statement. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/15 02:34 PM |
| 3 | Does the "masculinity crisis" exist? How do blue pill and red pill define masculinity?Let's say the average man is 25 years old, then "in your lifetime" means within the next 10-20 years where you are gonna make the big decisions of your life. If you think that society will change in the next 10-20 years to a degree that the fundamental issues will be solved, I would call that delusional at best. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/15 01:50 PM |
| 4 | Does the "masculinity crisis" exist? How do blue pill and red pill define masculinity?Without a clearly needed role to play, men are left to making it up on their own, which is exactly what they are doing, and, unsurprisingly, for many this means underachieving. Well put. But I would say that this logic makes sense from their perspective. Without outside validation, what motivation does a man really have for a career other than access to pussy? And the pussy is not even that tasty anymore, given that most Western females dress and behave like men nowadays. Meanwhile women in porn… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/15 01:16 PM |
| 3 | Does the "masculinity crisis" exist? How do blue pill and red pill define masculinity?OK, but things are as they are, and society won't change drastically within our lifetime. So my question is, what identity should a man take on in light of what you said. Being powerless can be an identity in and of itself. Should male identity be that of the traditional female? Passive, submissive, risk-averse and dependent? Or should male identity be a mixture of both traditional male and female traits? If so, it wouldn't be an identity per se, since female identity would be exactly the same a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/15 12:16 PM |
| 3 | Do the cons of marriage outweigh the pros?So if you had never found TRP, you wouldn't be aware of the risks and therefore you would lead a happy life? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/15 08:21 PM |
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