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| 1 | Women objectify themselves.I haven’t retracted that statement because most women I know find the act of a man wearing makeup to be effeminate and unattractive, as do most men. I keep saying I’m indifferent to it, because I have friends that have mentioned their interest in it to me, and I truly am indifferent. I don’t care if they do it or they don’t, it has no impact on my day to day life, but you want me to be against it. I might add, my friends that do wear makeup are not doing light makeup, they are wearing heavier ma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/05/23 06:20 PM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.Just saying it’s a stretch doesn’t really mean much here, if someone is wearing makeup and stopped wearing it, people would notice. “Oh you look tired today”. Of course, this does also depend on the environment the person is in, and WFH I’m sure doesn’t have as many people wearing makeup as working in person does. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/05/23 05:55 AM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.Nobody said you’re doing it for men, but you are doing it to look better, also known as being more attractive. Didn’t say you don’t dress nice in your house, but a majority of people dress up, and try and make themselves look better when they go out. Why? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/05/23 05:52 AM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.Being gay implies that you don’t want to look good anymore? I don’t even know how that works. You dress up because it makes you feel nice, and it makes you feel nice because you think it makes you look more attractive. But, as a rule of thumb, people will typically dress nicer when going out than they do sitting in the house alone. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/05/23 03:15 AM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.Don’t most women put on makeup everyday, at the start of their day? I’d call that a core part of someone’s daily life. If it would impact your life so much if you stopped doing it, it’s a “core thing”. And then what would you call it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/05/23 03:13 AM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.It is objectively an effeminate thing to do, so I don’t know why you keep arguing it as if it’s not. I am stating my view on by acknowledging social norms? Would you rather I lie and say that makeup is masculine? You keep acknowledging these famous celebrities, who will always wear makeup on screen, regardless of how attractive they are, just due to the way that cameras work, as they don’t showcase the way we may look in person. EDIT: I also acknowledged my view on it, I said I am indifferent to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/05/23 03:11 AM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.Once again, I never said a man shouldn’t and couldn’t wear minor makeup, I am stating that as a whole, it is an effeminate thing to do. If you wear minor amounts and no one notices great, and I am glad you get to enhance how you look, but when you also talk about wearing makeup, most people will assume you’re talking about more than just a little touch up. This is a social norm thing, not a me and you thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/05/23 01:31 AM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.They usually can not tell when a woman does it, but they will be able to notice when their buddy comes into work the next day with enhanced eyelashes and eyeshadow. And once again, I never said men shouldn’t or couldn’t, but please go around asking women if they would date a man that wears makeup. It’s viewed as effeminate by both sexes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/23 10:39 PM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.Yes, confidence does feel nice, and we feel more confident after making ourselves more attractive. Men do the same thing in different ways. I never said there’s anything intrinsically wrong with trying to be better looking, I just acknowledge that it’s a core part of what we all do on a day to day basis. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/23 08:04 PM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.I understand what you’re getting at, but most men can’t even tell when women wear makeup, let alone when a man does. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/23 07:54 PM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.Are you shocked that men tend to like being more masculine, and women more feminine? I didn’t make gender norms, nor am I implying that anyone should abide by them, but i am willing to acknowledge the way the world works. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/23 07:37 PM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.You can’t compare life behind a screen to life in real life. You can’t see the makeup on camera, you will see it in person. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/23 07:36 PM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.Once again, never said it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/23 05:11 PM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.It’s not that makeup can’t help emphasize masculine traits, it’s that the actual wearing of makeup itself is effeminate. Not the effect, but the mechanism in which causes it is the effeminate part. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/23 03:27 PM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.What does makeup have to do with making a man hypermasculine? Social norms and rules of attraction are set by the opposing sex, so it’s men and women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/23 03:14 PM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.Models do use makeup, yes, and so do tv show hosts, people who make a living off their presentation. In general society, a man wearing makeup is effeminate. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/23 03:07 PM |
| 2 | Women objectify themselves.I think we agree on this completely, men have an obligation to be respectively to women regardless of how they dress, but the more attractive you make yourself the more likely men are to look. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/23 07:26 AM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.Where did I ever say it was. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/23 07:22 AM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.It’s almost like you’re trying to be this dense. The emphasis is on spectrum, but yes, I do believe the male gaze is the objectification of women. It happens both ways, but primarily done by men to women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/23 07:21 AM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.Once again, never stated that. You just made assumptions on me based on me stating that most men do not like the idea of being effeminate. I then stated I don’t care either way, I would never wear makeup just due to the amount of work involved in it. Society deems fat people unattractive, makeup as effeminate, etc. You are asking me things as if this isn’t the standard, and as if I’m stating something new and contradicting popular belief. The whole discussion boils down to women wear makeup to l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/23 06:54 AM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.That is the male equivalent of objectifying themselves. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/23 04:49 AM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.Once again, it’s a spectrum. The male gaze is inherently based on objectification. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/23 04:46 AM |
| 2 | Women objectify themselves.They’re arguing in bad faith, they’re not worth it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/23 04:43 AM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.I agree, social norms are a huge part of our society. We’re not living in a vacuum, and for me to act like we are is living in a fake world. But there are also levels of makeup to be addressed in regards to making one’s self look attractive or professional. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/23 04:39 AM |
| 2 | Women objectify themselves.I think you’re right to a degree, and there is an actual name to it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_attractiveness_stereotype#:~:text=The%20physical%20attractiveness%20stereotype%20is,%2C%20competent%2C%20and%20socially%20desirable I thought there was another name, but there are studies that go to back this up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/23 04:37 AM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.You literally said “you’re scared of being a woman?” | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 10:43 PM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.Didn’t have to look far, just curious as to your background. Didn’t bring up religion as a moral compass, did discuss it shaping the way we view the world for the last several thousand years, and shockingly, it did discuss gluttony, also know as being fat and greedy. Never said there’s anything wrong with effeminate, just stating that most men don’t want to be effeminate. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 10:42 PM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.I think you bring up a good point, and you’re right. I do think the Karen haircuts and the disgusting beards are essentially the dick wagging contests of beautifying yourself, where people assume if they like a good beard, what would make it better besides adding more beard. It’s like a failure in logic from both ends. I also think the Karen haircuts were considered attractive for a while. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 10:39 PM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.Not scared of being a woman, I just have no desire to wear makeup. You’re not even following a consistent line of thought, as I never said that’s why I don’t wear makeup, and attempting to attack my masculinity isn’t really effective here. Fat is unattractive as deemed by society and. makeup is effeminate as deemed by society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 10:36 PM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.The fact it’s deemed as effeminate, so you want me to change that? Go ask the next ten guys you see why they don’t wear makeup. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 10:30 PM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.Lady, you posted your pictures online, you’re fat, and seemingly trying hard to lose the weight. I hope you the best in your progress. I am not saying if religion is what you like, I am saying they set the standard for attractiveness, as religion sorta ran the whole world. Socially speaking, I can’t change a whole culture to make makeup for men permissible. It’s effeminate, and men shockingly trend to not do effeminate things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 10:27 PM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.Holy shit are you dense? Societal trends change, and what is considered masculine is moderately fluid. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 10:00 PM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.It sounds like I’ve struck a cord, do you happen to be fat? It’s not an insult, it just is unattractive. Gluttony is acknowledged as a sin in all Abrahamic religions, which were the modelings of most of society of the last 2000 years or so. And even if being fat was considered attractive by some, it was not what we consider fat by todays standards, but moreso in the overweight range. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4610678/ If fat was attractive then, even the super fats, it’s sure … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 09:59 PM |
| 2 | Women objectify themselves.Because social norms change? And makeup that used today is not the same style that was used for men hundreds of years ago. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 09:49 PM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.Please showcase when fat has been attractive? You’re now speaking from delusion, the amount of people that found fat attractive has always been a few, and is more of a fetish. Fat is unhealthy, and fat is unattractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 09:46 PM |
| 3 | Women objectify themselves.Because it’s effeminate, men use other methods. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 09:38 PM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.Since forever, fat is unattractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 09:38 PM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.Some more anecdotal experience? If we’re going off that, any woman that was overweight, and lost it, will tell you that they get noticed more than they did before. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 09:36 PM |
| 2 | Women objectify themselves.Literally no issue, just believe that makeup is based on someone making themselves look more attractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 09:22 PM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.And I have anecdotal evidence to argue otherwise? Do you think unattractive women get stared at as much as attractive women? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 09:21 PM |
| 5 | Women objectify themselves.There’s a big difference between someone looking at you, and someone harassing you. The spectrum is a wide range. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 09:19 PM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.Doing procedures, wearing fake hair, etc, typically means you put an unnecessary amount of importance on your attractiveness. There isn’t necessarily too much of a difference, and there’s nothing really wrong with it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 09:15 PM |
| 2 | Women objectify themselves.I am not saying it’s the only reason, but as a general rule of thumb, things we do to make ourselves feel good about ourselves is rooted in looking attractive in a way we deem so. This is typically determined by society, which is usually by whatever the opposite sex finds attractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 09:12 PM |
| 2 | Women objectify themselves.I may have been talking to someone else prior regarding the first point. You agree with me on the presentable point, which is my whole thing. If the person is presentable, anything else is to just look more attractive to the opposite sex. Men and women do things to make themselves look more sexually attractive, be it makeup, shaping a beard, toupees, hair extensions. I am just stating that makeup is one of those things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 09:09 PM |
| 2 | Women objectify themselves.I’m referring to weekends, when most people are not working, and are engaging in most of their socialization. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 09:05 PM |
| 2 | Women objectify themselves.I am acknowledging that, sure. I agree and understand that makeup has become a social pressure for work environments. But what about everything outside of work? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 09:02 PM |
| 3 | Women objectify themselves.Not saying that you need to wear a niqab at all, I am using it as an extreme example that a man will not look at you if there is nothing to look at necessarily. In the west, they may be stared at due to the uncommon nature of the garment. There is a line between explicitly attempting to make ourselves more attractive to the other sex, and just basic plain Jane living. I’m not stating that it’s acceptable for men to do any of it in any situation, and it should be a man’s responsibility to not be … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 08:53 PM |
| 2 | Women objectify themselves.Yes, and I’m not discussing catcalling and harassment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 08:53 PM |
| 4 | Women objectify themselves.There is a lot of weird corporate pressures regarding all groups of people. I was pressured to straighten my curly hair in my first corporate job, as a man. I try not to base my definition of presentable on western corporate standards, but I do understand that women may have that issue in the workforce, and it’s a very messed up situation. I don’t believe a woman attempting to make herself more attractive/presentable is doing anything wrong, and they should not be judged, harassed, catcalled, et… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 08:52 PM |
| 2 | Women objectify themselves.Sweat pants are a weird zone, and dresses are typically pretty in nature. There’s an odd sexualization of sweat pants from both men and women. But I don’t think most men are staring at a woman in niqab just lusting at the garment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 08:42 PM |
| 4 | Women objectify themselves.So, you want a bunch of men walking around with food in their beards. Genius move. There’s a difference between a man shaving or trimming a beard, and shaping it to give himself a jawline. These are all normal bodily functions we have, and you keep trying to compare them to makeup, they are not the same. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 08:39 PM |
| 3 | Women objectify themselves.You consider showering, maintaining physical health, and not looking homeless as a general rule of thumb as self objectification? Men can self objectify themselves too if that’s what you’re concerned about with the argument. They don’t do it the way women do, but they do it nonetheless. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 08:33 PM |
| -2 | Women objectify themselves.What exactly are they looking at if you’re so covered up? I’m speaking from personal experience here, I’ve never seen a covered up person and tried to look at her body, and I typically try to refrain from it altogether. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 08:31 PM |
| 1 | Women objectify themselves.Never said plain is more virtuous, never said men do not try and hide their imperfections, and never said that men that wear toupees and shape their beards aren’t vain either. It’s not just a difference of being clean and well polished, it’s literally being baseline vs enhanced. And any man that explicitly shapes his beard to hide his jaw, or wears a toupee, or whatever it may be, is vain. There is nothing inherently wrong with trying to look better, to be ahead of baseline. I just find it ridic… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 08:29 PM |
| -3 | Women objectify themselves.You keep referencing cat calling and harassment, which is not what I am addressing. I acknowledged that men that are harassing and catcalling are not doing this because they think that they have a shot, but moreso for the “sport of it”. I specifically referenced male gaze, as in the subtle, or sometimes not so subtle stares that men may give walking down the street past you, the extra lingering during a social media post, etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 08:23 PM |
| 2 | Women objectify themselves.Sure, I won’t argue that. But that’s only if the man can grow a beard, and it’s not like a man can stop growing a beard if he had one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 08:21 PM |
| 2 | Women objectify themselves.It’s called grooming. There’s a difference between looking like you’re not homeless, maintaining your physical health, and not wearing trash bags, to wearing makeup. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 08:20 PM |
| -1 | Women objectify themselves.There’s a difference in making yourself presentable, as in the basic consensus of showering, basic hair grooming, wearing clothes that fit, etc, and artificially enhancing your baseline beauty and looks with makeup. The ability to contour your face, hide imperfections and less attractive features, while emphasizing your more attractive ones. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 08:17 PM |
| -1 | Women objectify themselves.There is something to be said about the general male gaze being lessened if there is less to look at. There will continue to be men that harass women regardless, but in regards to day to day looking and objectification, dressing more modestly will get less men to look at you. Cat callers are not doing it in hopes of getting you to go out with them, rapists and assaulters do not do what they do because of your looks, but the power associated with their actions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 08:11 PM |
| 4 | Women objectify themselves.To make yourself presentable and attractive are key distinctions here, and you acknowledge this earlier. If a woman’s hair is groomed, she wears nice clothes, and is in shape, no one would say she is not presentable. But wearing makeup in its origin is meant to make someone more attractive, not to just maintain baseline presentation. It can change the way you look completely, hide undesirable features, while promoting attractive ones. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 08:08 PM |
| 0 | Women objectify themselves.Makeup isn’t comparable to getting a haircut, or any of the other things you listed that women do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/23 07:26 PM |
| 1 | CMV: It is sad that it has become so normalized to not settle down until you're 30+I agree that the biggest aspect is financial, it just seems to me that a lot of people seem to try and gaslight themselves into thinking they don’t want kids because they’re unable to afford them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/23 05:59 AM |
| 0 | CMV: It is sad that it has become so normalized to not settle down until you're 30+I’m not focusing on the financial aspect, more so the whole “18 years of my life being completely dedicated to this living thing”. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/23 04:43 PM |
| 0 | CMV: It is sad that it has become so normalized to not settle down until you're 30+Having a child is hard, but so many young people act like its going to cripple their lives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/23 04:01 PM |
| 3 | Basic redditor starterpackThe one thing I don’t get is the Jordan subreddit. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 30/05/20 04:41 PM |
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