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I find her extremely unattractive. Not much to do with her physical appearance, but very much to do with who I perceive her to be as a person.
/r/MensRights20/11/23 01:48 PM
1

An actual woman in her position wouldn't write it this way. Definitely some dude larping
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/09/22 08:10 AM
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Also men often turn to more violent and less avoidable ways of suicide that can be intervened by, but women commit it more often than men roughly 1.2 times more. Men were also less likely to show that they were vulnerable and admit it to themselves or others compared to women that were more open about it Why would men show that they're "vulnerable" if that means they're 20% more likely to attempt suicide? A stoic approach seems more apropos.
/r/AntiFeminists20/03/22 11:55 PM
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You already know the answer.
/r/RedPillWomen17/10/21 08:26 PM
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"I don’t want this to turn into a bigger deal than it is, but I just don’t want to be disrespected." What has he done or might he do to disrespect you? Did you mean "disrespectful"?
/r/RedPillWomen12/10/21 03:45 AM
1

Basically correct. At a few states they need to be within 3-4 years for it not to be considered statutory rape. At most that's not the case. It's such a basic common sense law too. Two kids in high school, one's 15 one's 16...one's 17 one's 18...dad finds out they fucked...kid gets sexual misconduct charges on their record for the rest of their lives. Any employer looking at their record after that, man...shit ain't right
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/10/21 01:56 AM
22

We already hate feminists, how do you think we feel about ones who engage in child abuse too?
/r/AntiFeminists01/10/21 12:10 PM
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You do realize 16 is the age of consent in most US states, right?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/09/21 02:42 PM
9

Herpes hysteria was invented by a drug company to sell Valtrex. Girl, listen. I used to work in the marketing department at this very company. They very intentionally stigmatized HSV2 as a SALES GIMMICK because they needed a selling point for a disease that usually isn't very bad. It was a reaaaaaach, but sadly, they pulled it off. The campaign is famous in the ad world. This is true, and considering how many people have it the social stigma around herpes is insane, and a testament to the effect…
/r/RedPillWomen23/06/21 03:03 PM
2

You don't have to choose to tell him exactly WHY you choose not to eat specific things, only that it's important to you. I would find this more annoying than her just being honest about why. Give me a reason that I can understand, and I'll be cool. Otherwise you just seem annoyingly weird about your food.
/r/RedPillWomen09/06/21 04:58 PM
4

Whenever I read a post like this, I feel like "if the family could just read this post, they would shut up very quickly"
/r/RedPillWomen13/03/21 01:56 PM
1

girls don't know what the fuck they want dude
/r/askTRP08/02/21 07:18 PM
9

It's an asset. Don't overthink it. Find the right guy before giving it up.
/r/RedPillWomen22/01/21 03:16 PM
1

Right but then he could just communicate when he wasn't at school.
/r/MGTOW21/01/21 03:13 PM
3

and I cut off communication for a year as I had to go to college to in Nigeria and they don't allow phones there. They don't allow phones in Nigeria?
/r/MGTOW21/01/21 02:26 PM
2

I mean if he's literally like "problem solved and stop worrying woman" then that's obviously belittling. If he's just trying to help you and you're misinterpreting it then that's something totally different.
/r/RedPillWives21/01/21 05:09 AM
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So he wants to help you out when you're in genuine financial need? Sounds like a nice problem to have. Are you implying that he's trying to control you in this way, like make you dependent on him?
/r/RedPillWives20/01/21 05:58 PM
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Don't even bring it up, just pretend it never happened. If she brings it up (she won't) just tell her it's fine, no big deal. Next time you see her just jump right in to normal conversation like it never happened. She's as embarrassed as you would be if you threw up on a bitch's cunt
/r/askTRP23/12/20 12:02 PM
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This is actually a story about how women have no agency and are naturally manipulatable by strong men who are smart and believe in themselves. https://www.elle.com/life-love/a35021224/martin-shkreli-christie-smythe-pharma-bro-journalist/ After the journalist (Smythe) leaves her husband for an already jailed Shkreli (the pharma guy) whose just started a 7-year sentence, here's a quote from the article: At the time of their separation, Smythe had been visiting Shkreli for months. She took a 6 a.m.…
/r/MGTOW22/12/20 02:03 PM
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Doesn't sound like it to me. Sounds too passive. Or maybe waiting on positive signals in return or something.
/r/RedPillWomen11/12/20 04:25 AM
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I guess they're annoyed that I didn't "confirm" such a 'bold' assumption. But i mean did you look at her profile pic?? Maybe they're some of the 'weak' men I'm referring to, who throw their hard-earned money at e-whores. Idk
/r/MensRights16/11/20 11:54 PM
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So y'all have never even fucked?? What value were you providing besides attention, allowing her to indulge her needs as an attention whore? Still a virgin, has only hooked up with a few guys up until her mid 20's. Literally what?
/r/TheRedPill16/11/20 07:47 PM
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She looks like a sex worker who's catering sympathy from the weak men who donate to her onlyfans. Don't care enough to confirm.
/r/MensRights16/11/20 06:54 PM
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I mean I find this question more vague than the one he asked in the first place. He can rub a couple brain cells together and apply any insights gleaned from the answers here to his own situation.
/r/askTRP16/11/20 06:32 PM
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The guy "HAS" to have some culpability in his girl cheating on him? That's not true, unless the opposite is true: any time a guy cheats on his girl, she shares some blame for his infidelity. This disregards people who simply cheat because they're inconsiderate sluts or man-whores.
/r/PussyPassDenied05/11/20 10:01 PM
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Right but your comment blamed the guy for the girl cheating. " I feel like its announcing that you are inadequate in a particular area which pushed your partner to stray sexually. " If she's unsatisfied sexually, then she should, as you say, " Just break up with them. " But she didn't, she cheated. She can't cry foul when she's publicly shamed for it, nor could a man.
/r/PussyPassDenied05/11/20 06:30 PM
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I get what you're saying but that's just giving women a pussypass to be cheaters when a guy would never get such a luxury
/r/PussyPassDenied04/11/20 11:51 PM
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You could've told me that was literally any other organ and I'd have been like "oh ok, gotcha". Anatomy skills for the loss
/r/MGTOW02/10/20 03:58 PM
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So if I only fap to lesbian porn I'm good?
/r/MGTOW214/09/20 02:28 PM
1

Double standards: r/misogynyfetish was a thriving sub that got banned. Many of the posters there were women. I suspect many of the posters on misandryfetish are men.
/r/AntiFeminists27/08/20 12:23 PM
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Dude you're only finding out about this girl's past AFTER you made her your fiancée? Holy shit bro...
/r/MGTOW221/08/20 06:47 PM
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Bitch looks fat and gross.
/r/PussyPassDenied07/08/20 01:51 AM
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"What if the DSM eventually says RPW ideology is a disorder? A victim complex? Etc?" Then.....the DSM will be as false as it already manifestly is?? "I choose acceptance." So stunning and brave.
/r/RedPillWomen11/07/20 01:12 AM
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I suspect we have different taste in pussy, and different judge of character.
/r/askTRP11/07/20 01:00 AM
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There's pragmatic reasons for the "moral outrage"... Cue 'misogynistic' sentiments
/r/askTRP10/07/20 04:55 AM
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I get your reasoning, but it's the same reasoning to me that says it's okay to sleep with someone you know is married. I just fundamentally disagree. It's possible to despise simps and white knights while still maintaining this position.
/r/askTRP10/07/20 04:00 AM
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It's objectively false that 'trans-women are women'... trans people have a mental illness, and this is backed up by the DSM. Why do we pretend people with body dysphoria who want to cut off a limb because they believe they're an amputee, are any more or less mentally ill than someone with gender dysphoria, say, a biological male who wants to cut off their dick because they believe they're a woman?
/r/RedPillWomen10/07/20 03:08 AM
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You wouldn't want to know. Ok.
/r/askTRP10/07/20 03:01 AM
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but if they can't sense their girl is a cheating slut, who else is gonna stop it? You. You should tell them you fucked their girl while she was in a supposedly monogamous relationship with them. I mean, wouldn't you want to know?
/r/askTRP10/07/20 02:24 AM
1

This all makes more sense now. I was like "how could this guy even know the red pill exists??"
/r/askTRP02/06/20 10:55 AM
1

Look at him with fuck eyes. Wry smile on your face. Saunter up, "hey I've got an idea". Get close, put your hand on his crotch, lean in to his ear, "what do you think?" Very easy, playful, and feminine way to initiate.
/r/RedPillWomen17/05/20 10:24 AM
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Jesus Christ. And she does nothing for this money. It's literally just thrown at her, for being hot. I hate these men who do this, who allow women to be e-whores like this. They're worse than the women. Fuck this stupid clown world.
/r/MGTOW06/05/20 04:47 AM
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You get 6 months to a year of good times, good sex, etc...then it all starts to go downhill. The more time you spend together, the quicker the impending fallout will ensue. Especially if you live together. Ever had a roommate? You grow sick of them. Living with a gf is even worse because she is more demanding on your time. You get off work or out of class, and wanna just put your headphones on and zone out on your computer? Not with a girlfriend, this makes you a bad boyfriend. Wanna sleep in on…
/r/MGTOW231/03/20 02:36 AM
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Yeah I was being sarcastic :)
/r/TheRedPill13/03/20 10:27 PM
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Damn, and here I thought he was a badass...
/r/TheRedPill13/03/20 09:37 PM
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If having genes that get me laid entails me going to prison, I'd rather not get laid.
/r/TheRedPill13/03/20 09:21 PM
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Don't fall for a girl. Love is a myth you've been conditioned to believe in. Stop believing in it. No matter how much you think you love her, always know that if you lived with her, within a year or two you would be sick of her, and she of you.
/r/TheRedPill13/03/20 07:44 PM
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If good genes entail going to prison, I think I'd rather have bad genes.
/r/TheRedPill13/03/20 07:40 PM
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He's a FIGHTER, by profession. Fighters lose fights. Go find you a Khabib Nurmagomedov or Tyson Fury, there's a couple men in the world who'd meet your exacting standards. I'm sure they'll settle for you.
/r/TheRedPill13/03/20 06:57 PM
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You're in your 30s, you're used goods, AND you're entitled. Bitches in 20s: less used, FAR less entitled. Not complicated.
/r/MGTOW04/03/20 02:26 PM
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You could start with more subtle clues and hints, but basically work your way up to just saying it: "I want you to dominate me. I want to be submissive." No need to overthink it too much. I'd leave out your past relationships and sex life, because that could really backfire on you. If he's like "what about what I want?" that's when you might call out his manhood: "You're a man. You own this bedroom, and you own me. Act like it."
/r/RedPillWomen28/02/20 08:14 AM
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She was the principal of that high school when she fucked the one kid and tried to fuck the other. How stupid can you be? You think you're gonna be able to fuck a student as the principal and have him not tell anyone about it?? He's fucking the principal!! He's gonna tell somebody!
/r/PussyPassDenied18/02/20 10:19 PM
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"When you see women writing about things that interest you, retweet us. It's that simple." Say things that are interesting. It's that simple.
/r/MGTOW18/02/20 08:23 AM
2

Thanks for the new slurs I can now use against women.
/r/MGTOW18/02/20 08:08 AM
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r/relationships, relationship advice, AITA...they're all an absolute shitshow. Might as well be subscribed to r/politics, or r/news. Where simps and NPC's reign supreme.
/r/MGTOW15/02/20 10:58 PM
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The simps who throw their hard earned money at e-girls baffle me. I haven't paid for porn since the days of playboy.
/r/MGTOW15/02/20 05:58 PM
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She's gross, how does a skanky whore like that have over 100k instagram followers? What's wrong with people? I hate this timeline
/r/MensRights13/02/20 09:21 PM
1

Weird relationship. Maybe healthier than my past ones, but I honestly don't know...I suspect that the fact that he's honest with you about his exchanges with others indicates that he's not cheating on you. At the same time, I would not be okay with my spouse accepting drinks from others, because I know those "others" are simply trying to fuck my gf/wife. I roll my eyes when I hear a man say something like "a woman looked sad" and THAT'S why he bought her a drink. Please, c'mon.
/r/RedPillWives06/02/20 07:26 AM
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You can also take vitamin D supplements, if you do, take them with meals that have some fat in them to help it absorb. Take your supplements with a tablespoon or 2 of organic coconut oil. Other oils could work too, even grass-fed butter. Should help with fat-soluble vitamins like D3.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/02/20 10:22 PM
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Would he be okay with you accepting free drinks from some other guy?
/r/RedPillWives02/02/20 07:32 AM
3

Ugh, could you imagine burying your face in that gash? I'd rather barf in my hand and jack off.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/01/20 01:28 PM
6

Jesus this is insane. I worked in an office once where everybody except me was into World of Warcraft. They talked about it all the time. My solution wasn't "hey, I'm not into this, so stop talking about it b/c you're not being inclusive of me"...my solution was to mind my own business and leave them be.
/r/TheRedPill27/01/20 06:51 PM
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Infiltration method: create account, start posting in FDS and other fem subs. Problem: to make it believable, you'd have to immerse yourself in FDS culture. I do not have the stomach for it.
/r/MGTOW18/01/20 08:55 PM
1

Sounds like great repellent. If you wish to change this, you must become wealthy.
/r/MGTOW11/01/20 09:42 PM
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I can't believe I just watched that. Fake af, I guess is this created for like 10 year olds?
/r/MGTOW11/01/20 09:35 PM
5

This is the case with my parents. Mom makes a lot more than dad, but they started dating in high school, and she started with an entry level receptionist job and just worked her way up. Pretty sure she resents him and is unhappy because she just works like 12+ hours a day.
/r/MGTOW11/01/20 08:50 PM
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I've already heard, don't think I can watch. Sounds too infuriating, and I'm already red-pilled on the general subject matter.
/r/MensRights09/01/20 08:10 AM
1

I think his point was more about the imbalance in how this would be perceived if it was a male guard in a female prison. If it's wrong there, it's wrong here. If a male high school teacher having sex w/ a female student is "rape", then a female teacher fucking a male student is likewise rape. That sort of thing.
/r/TheRedPill27/12/19 08:13 PM
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Haven't googled and didn't have to. There is no way there are four attractive female guards at the same prison...you'd be lucky to find one. The fact that it's four tells me they're black as well. Am I wrong?
/r/TheRedPill27/12/19 07:55 PM
2

Same. I'm guessing "fuck up" means cheating?
/r/TheRedPill27/12/19 05:51 PM
2

This reads like a Titania McGrath tweet
/r/MensRights26/12/19 10:06 PM
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Clearly about that life insurance. The whole 'not wanting to break his heart' shit was her weak justifications for wanting that money
/r/TheRedPill21/12/19 07:19 PM
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Meaning he's potentially redeemable, with the right indoctrination and red-pilling. But there's never been a war on men like this in history, because the psychological tactics for such warfare have never been so refined. In light of these calculated psyops, many men's genes are no longer fit for survival.
/r/TheRedPill21/12/19 06:55 PM
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Guys, she said she wanted it to be painless. Give the poor girl a break
/r/TheRedPill21/12/19 06:50 PM
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As for the actual origin, it was used in a declassified document (CIA or FBI, can't remember) where it was used whenever referring to...well, (((them))). 4chan found out and started using it
/r/MGTOW11/12/19 05:05 AM
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How to verify? Keep tabs on her shit (phone, social media, email, etc)?? I've been in relationships where I feel like I have to keep tabs on the bitch. Frankly, I'd rather be alone than do that again. Always wondering, when she's not in your presence, "what might she be doing right now?"....fuck that
/r/TheRedPill19/11/19 01:32 AM
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They probably were. She's chasing after guys with higher smv than she's worth, and they manipulated their way into her pussy, which is all they wanted. Frankly, that's all she's good for, at this point.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen19/11/19 01:02 AM
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LOL! Not so subtle dig at the end, nice. I've never had a girl I was in a relationship with do this to me that I can recall, so perhaps we're both speaking from a position of "theory"....but I've had girls i'm 'talking to' direct their attention to other men over the course of the night, and I've had other men swoop in on girls I'm talking to. In either case the proper response is to outwit them with your own charm and charisma, or move on without a care in the world.
/r/TheRedPill14/11/19 02:07 AM
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See you're overloaded with "theory" here man, and not field-tested. The shit your spouting is not optimal in the field. But bottom line if your wife/girlfriend is showing preference to another man in a social setting, you done fucked up already and must either get that bitch in line or dump her. (Pro-tip: don't get married)
/r/TheRedPill14/11/19 01:44 AM
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In the court proceedings she produced letters from her mother saying he was her dad.
/r/MGTOW13/11/19 07:01 PM
2

I pretty much entirely agree with you. I would never let my wife/gf go be drunk & chatty/flirty with some guy...I'd be stepping in and asserting my position. And I'd sure as shit be laying down the law with her in private afterward. That said, I agree, this reads like some cuck fanfic bullshit.
/r/TheRedPill13/11/19 11:07 AM
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Most women aren't "size queens" and for the most part men worry about dick size more than women do.
/r/TheRedPill13/11/19 10:50 AM
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Agreed. The OP bragged elsewhere on this post about fucking married women all the time. We shame women for their degeneracy but this shameless bitch (the OP) gets a free pass? I disagree.
/r/TheRedPill13/11/19 10:34 AM
2

I mean it depends on what you're trying to find them for.
/r/TheRedPill13/11/19 10:16 AM
1

Could be real, but the "small dick" stuff in front of his family set off my bullshit detector
/r/TheRedPill13/11/19 08:55 AM
2

I guess you've never written much fiction, but this would be incredibly easy to make up.
/r/TheRedPill13/11/19 08:40 AM
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See that was the only part I really disagreed with. It funnels all the focus and attention on him, and you're giving him an EXCUSE to talk about himself so now it DOESN'T seem pretentious and overbearing. I don't like the idea.
/r/TheRedPill13/11/19 07:35 AM
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True. If you wiki the guy, and follow the citations, turns out she was told by her mom her whole life he was her dad. So it's not the daughter's fault she was lied to. But she still don't deserve nunna that cheddar.
/r/MGTOW13/11/19 12:22 AM
1

I don't understand why dudes care about "strength". For me, it's all about what you look like.
/r/TheRedPill12/11/19 10:16 PM
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Didn't Heath Ledger die from being on less than that amount of prescription meds?
/r/MGTOW20/10/19 04:45 AM
1

I'm on board with that, well said. Problem is the upcoming generation of millennials & especially zoomers (I'm barely a millennial btw) have such a disillusionment and skepticism of all things boomer (because they somewhat erroneously view boomers as the root cause of all that ails them) that when you try to help them by encouraging the "boomer" virtues that ARE worthwhile (e.g. hard work, in spite of the unfair obstacles in your way)....they're like "fuck off BOOMER". It's like dude, you're an …
/r/MGTOW201/10/19 08:54 PM
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If MGTOW has one rule, it's that marriage has become a losing proposition for men. This is the essence of MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW201/10/19 12:42 AM
1

Lol, dude. I imagine you reading that back to yourself and saying to yourself "man, totally fucking nailed it." Oh my god, clueless fucking idiot.
/r/TheRedPill16/09/19 11:58 AM
1

"Hit the gym" is the only good bit of advice you gave.
/r/MGTOW213/09/19 03:14 AM
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Agreed. People fucking suck.
/r/MGTOW213/09/19 03:14 AM
1

Can't beat anime Yuck. I can't come to terms with this generation.
/r/MGTOW213/09/19 03:09 AM
2

He shall do just that and forget that story that is anyway his failure. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. You're assuming he SHOULD'VE known and seen the whore that was his wife. Life isn't always as predictable as we'd like it to be, and hindsight is 20/20. Being butt hurt and offended only make him weaker. I'm more or less on board with you here. But this still seems like an over-simplification. 'Being butt-hurt' is something you say about someone who's angry they just lost at a video game. Not s…
/r/TheRedPill13/09/19 03:03 AM
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I don't understand. He should let his brother and ex-fiance's inexcusable behavior go unchecked? That's your red-pilled response? I mean is there a more beta blue-pilled faggot response imaginable?
/r/TheRedPill13/09/19 01:59 AM
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Maybe you're right, but don't be naive. Whether somebody would fuck a bitch is largely a matter of how much they have to work for it. If your bitch is all over him, would he say no? That's a far different question than "Would my brother go through all the work & foreplay necessary to fuck my bitch?"
/r/TheRedPill11/09/19 11:28 PM
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Agreed. What choice does he have at that point? She mothered his kid. This case makes as strong a case for abortion as I'm aware.
/r/TheRedPill11/09/19 10:38 PM
1

Well the family's supposedly having nothing to do with either of them, so I'm not sure I understand.
/r/TheRedPill11/09/19 10:36 PM
1

A man makes his own decisions, and he made a decision to cheat with his brother’s fiancé. How is that purely the MAN'S fault?? How is it not 50/50??
/r/TheRedPill11/09/19 03:02 AM
0

I can barely grasp any logic in your post. Stop embarrassing yourself.
/r/TheRedPill11/09/19 02:55 AM
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oneitis It's so much bigger than John being consumed by a single bitch. It's his brother. It's his family. It's not like John being willing to say "hey, I'm moving on" and finding a new girl, will change the fact that his brother banged the girl he was engaged to marry. "Oneitis" is such a simplistic narrative to encapsulate this situation.
/r/TheRedPill11/09/19 01:50 AM
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That whore took his brother from him. He's not out of line for keeping his family in check regarding this (what you regard as "holding onto the bitterness"). He was supremely wronged. His own flesh-and-blood younger brother was complicit in the wronging, and this whore was his fiance and had pledged her loyalty to John. You're really so naive as to assume you'd have the fortitude to not hold on to any "bitterness"?
/r/TheRedPill11/09/19 01:38 AM
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Wrong. The family wasn't wronged like John was. They will welcome Matt back in to the fold if not reminded by John of what Matt did, and how severely he wronged John. The family just wants to see their grandchild, and will forgive the unforgivable to do so. They'll even welcome back the cheating whore who's half responsible for this mess (and NOT of their bloodline). So the situation effectively becomes, why should John have to sacrifice contact his whole family? He's the one who was wronged. He…
/r/TheRedPill11/09/19 01:20 AM
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I think ultimately he needs to forgive, but never forget. Holding on to that resentment is not healthy, so it's in his own best interests.
/r/TheRedPill10/09/19 08:51 PM
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What matt did is so unbelievably reprehensible, he traded his family for this whore. And like, hello, she cheated on her last guy with you. What makes you think she wont cheat on you? Dumbass.
/r/TheRedPill10/09/19 08:49 PM
3

Nailed it. Emotional availability is a catchphrase for "do everything we want in exchange for nothing." It's an investment on the part of the man, that comes more naturally to the woman. She's the emotional one.
/r/MGTOW04/09/19 04:38 AM
1

I'm finding making "friends" at work isn't worth the potential complications either. Past 30, that's the only way you make friends, in my experience. :(
/r/MGTOW203/09/19 11:26 PM
1

I agree with a lot of what he said, but there are going to be times when you may need to someone else to fill in for you. So don't be an asshole about it. Maybe be willing to help someone out once, but if they ask a second time without having returned the favor in some way, then lay down the law.
/r/MGTOW203/09/19 10:45 PM
1

Ill father sounds like a good idea, just to have an excuse on standby when someone asks "hey can you fill in for me?" You need to have specific details about his illness ready to go. Could say dementia. Then you could say "some days are better than others". That way if they ever meet him and he's fine, you can say "Yeah, thankfully he's been good the past few days." Lol.
/r/MGTOW203/09/19 10:27 PM
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Yup. If he's weak and dumb enough to have to ask the internet about this, rather than confronting her, he may be a lost cause.
/r/MGTOW01/09/19 08:04 PM
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I would rather live and die alone, than be in a relationship with someone who felt this way about me.
/r/MGTOW01/09/19 07:29 PM
1

Imagine airing out this dirty laundry on social media. Fuck is wrong with you?
/r/MGTOW31/08/19 02:53 AM
1

Sounds like something for weak men who refuse to live in and accept reality. You're asking why we shouldn't accept men going their own way in such a fashion? Look, mgtow is about realizing women are a losing proposition. After that, what you do is up to you. But IMHO the best ways to fill that void are passions, hobbies, friends. Not pretending like what you believe isn't true.
/r/MGTOW227/08/19 11:04 AM
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