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it would hopefully make them feel like shit for acting like a republican. did you miss the part where OP is himself LGBTQ?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/22 07:47 AM
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if you hear it from anybody left-leaning, "how heteronormative of you" is probably the best response.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/22 07:39 AM
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i think it's because a lot of women insist it feels no different for them. that's always puzzled me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 09:56 PM
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it's no accident. the doctor's goal in circumcision is to cut the most sensitive parts of your penis off.
/r/AntiFeminists11/02/22 09:27 PM
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mgm is never done for medical reasons. some doctors do indeed claim medical reasons for female circumcision. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3973892/
/r/AntiFeminists11/02/22 09:22 PM
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unless you have evidence the rates are different, it seems like it affects bodily autonomy of both genders.
/r/AntiFeminists11/02/22 09:21 PM
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circumcision cannot ever be necessary.
/r/AntiFeminists11/02/22 09:20 PM
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not just worse, but so much worse that it's an insult to even mention them in the same post.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/22 08:10 AM
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multiple reasons: to some, it's simply a matter of allocating finite resources. they may be sympathetic to our cause, but any resources that go to it are resources that aren't going to their pet causes. to some, any suggestion that men might be legally oppressed in any way undermines their dogma that women are second-class citizens to some, it's absolutely laughable that any guy might be upset that he's circumcised because the foreskin is so obviously completely useless. so to draw any parallels…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/22 08:09 AM
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at least a few of them are pro-MGM.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/22 08:05 AM
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the mods on menslib are pro circumcision. they very heavily censored that discussion. most of the comments on it got removed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/22 01:03 AM
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likewise.
/r/AntiFeminists08/02/22 07:02 AM
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it removes most of the nerve endings in the penis. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17378847/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23374102/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8800902/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23374102/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17155977/ https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/joa.13481 i also have my own experience from eight years of foreskin restoration. and testimony from men who got circumcised as adults. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj_nYcumC0c https://www…
/r/AntiFeminists07/02/22 11:19 PM
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no. it doesn't make it harder to last. it makes the orgasm more intense and longer in duration.
/r/AntiFeminists07/02/22 11:12 PM
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yup, minor adverse effects.
/r/MensRights07/02/22 10:05 PM
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the point is that the information is no more conflicting for males than it is for females. the suggested article at the bottom that you linked to shows a minor negative affect on sexual pleasure for females.
/r/MensRights07/02/22 10:02 PM
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it's very easy to find studies online that say female circumcision doesn't dramatically negatively affect females. also, remember that performance and pleasure are two different things, despite pro-circumcision activists who try to conflate them. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17970975/ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1743609515000582 most circumcised women only speak highly of it and list its benefits. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob3Wf0PKtBM https://www.youtube.com/w…
/r/MensRights07/02/22 09:43 PM
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I think it’s a pretty hard argument to suggest circumcised males experience as much of this as circumcised females. can you show us evidence of this?
/r/MensRights07/02/22 08:51 PM
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MGM: the procedure is usually done without anaesthetic or sterile conditions therefore is extremely painful and unsanitary. it removes the foreskin meaning she will never experience sexual pleasure. the frenulum is part/fully removed meaning impregnating a woman incredibly more difficult. the procedure leaves life-lasting physical and psychological trauma it has no health benefits. The reason is to subdue his appetite for sex and ‘preserve’ his virginity. male circumcision is virtually never don…
/r/MensRights07/02/22 08:50 PM
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Ok, so clearly there’s lots of conflicting evidence on whether or not it affects sexual pleasure it's not any more conflicting for males than it is for females. FGM clearly has a higher prevalence of painful sex and reduced pleasure. "clearly", you say? do you have any evidence to support htis claim? At the very least types 1 and 2 cause keloid scars/cysts/UTIs/painful sex/higher risk of complications during childbirth/PTSDs male circumcision causes all of these same complications other than chi…
/r/MensRights07/02/22 08:38 PM
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According to UNICEF about 1 in 4 women and girls who have had this done were cut by health personnel. So ‘back alley’ is very much the majority. only about 30% of circumcised men were circumcised by health personnel. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/25/male-circumcision-ceremonies-death-deformity-africa
/r/MensRights07/02/22 08:33 PM
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FGM will give you life long complications no question. most circumcised women support female circumcision and say it gives them no problems. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob3Wf0PKtBM&t=7s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcJNAtn-c6I https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/04/female-genital-mutilation-cutting-anthropologist/389640/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3134892/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17970975/ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S…
/r/MensRights07/02/22 08:32 PM
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Maybe the odd study concludes there’s a tiny decrease but that the margin is so small that it bears little significance. tell me you haven't done any real research on the topic without telling me you haven't done any real research on the topic. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17378847/ https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/joa.13481 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23374102/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8800902/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21672947 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.ni…
/r/MensRights07/02/22 08:32 PM
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imagine thinking that cutting off body parts is the right way to practice hygiene.
/r/AntiFeminists07/02/22 08:45 AM
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it makes sex 70% to 80% less enjoyable.
/r/AntiFeminists07/02/22 08:45 AM
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yup.
/r/MensRights05/02/22 11:12 AM
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it's pretty rare for women to get their clit cut off, though.
/r/MensRights05/02/22 10:35 AM
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misandry.
/r/MensRights05/02/22 10:34 AM
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or the part of it they were allowed to keep.
/r/MensRights05/02/22 10:34 AM
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essentially?
/r/MensRights05/02/22 10:34 AM
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it does happen in wealthy countries. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/dec/09/toddler-dies-and-baby-brother-in-serious-condition-after-circumcisions-at-perth-clinic
/r/MensRights03/02/22 08:28 AM
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everyone wants to find a bargain.
/r/MensRights03/02/22 04:29 AM
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genital mutilation is more common in america than it is in india.
/r/MensRights03/02/22 02:00 AM
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Without the glans it'll be pretty tough to orgasm. why do you think the glans has anything to do with orgasms?
/r/MensRights03/02/22 01:59 AM
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the same way we choose how many fingers and toes we want to keep when we turn 18.
/r/MensRights03/02/22 01:58 AM
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he killed himself as an adult.
/r/MensRights03/02/22 01:57 AM
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no circumcision is a medical procedure. it's all ritual.
/r/MensRights03/02/22 01:56 AM
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this pediatrician agrees. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WivtOKzjUoA
/r/MensRights03/02/22 01:54 AM
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Circumcision is actually not done that young depends where you live. in america, circumcision is typically done between 24 and 48 hours after birth.
/r/MensRights03/02/22 01:52 AM
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the thing is, the other stimuli she looked at were PAIN stimuli. she proved the foreskin is the most sensitive to pleasure. the fact that it's not any more sensitive to pain doesn't change that.
/r/MensRights28/01/22 11:15 PM
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Andrew "Chop the Wang" Yang has endorsed male circumcision a complete reversal from his prior false stance that he found it unacceptable. no he didn't.
/r/MensRights28/01/22 06:10 AM
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there is no "both links". i'm responding specifically to the jenn bossio study you posted. her data does not challenge anything. her data confirms beyond any doubt that the foreskin is the most sensitive part of the penis for tactile sensation.
/r/MensRights28/01/22 03:02 AM
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how is forcing me to sign up for the draft different than forcing me to pay money?
/r/MensRights28/01/22 02:21 AM
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you're telling me you've never heard of child support? can't wait until this guy finds out about income taxes.
/r/MensRights28/01/22 01:46 AM
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"If required to register with Selective Service, failure to register is a felony punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or 5 years imprisonment."
/r/MensRights28/01/22 12:52 AM
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what do you mean "not clinically relevant"? you provided a link that proves me RIGHT and acted like it proved me wrong.
/r/MensRights28/01/22 12:50 AM
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you're wrong. the laws says "All male U.S. citizens born after Dec. 31, 1959, who are 18 but not yet 26 years old, except as noted below" https://www.sss.gov/register/who-needs-to-register/ the law does NOT say anything about voter registration.
/r/MensRights28/01/22 12:36 AM
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that didn't look at sensitivity or pleasure. sexual function is not the same as sensitivity or pleasure.
/r/MensRights27/01/22 08:06 PM
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did you read that one? jenn bossio proved that the foreskin is the most sensitive part of the penis.
/r/MensRights27/01/22 08:06 PM
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the one that all men over the age of 18 are legally required to sign up for. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/u-s-congress-passes-selective-service-act
/r/MensRights27/01/22 08:02 PM
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circumcision involves damaging the penis totally. circumcised women experience more pleasure during sex than circumcised men do. less than 1% of men who reach age 18 with their whole penis ever choose to get any of it removed. virtually all of the men who do get circumcised in adulthood do notice a severe loss of sexual pleasure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj_nYcumC0c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AaUb63NLLw the ones who don't are the ones who got circumcised due to medical problems with…
/r/MensRights27/01/22 11:07 AM
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the draft.
/r/MensRights27/01/22 05:18 AM
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i still don't want other people to know i'm literally missing part of my penis.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 04:46 AM
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it might help if you aren't ashamed of yours, but i'm humiliated for anybody to find out i'm circumcised.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 04:30 AM
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You've never used a shower in the gym, theme park, pool, beach? You've never went camping, hiking, kayaking or cycling overnight with your buddies and had to shower in an outdoor body of water? i've done all of those things without getting my penis out in front of other men, believe it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 04:23 AM
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actual picture of u/izawwlgood: https://i.postimg.cc/fMKWSjHj/my-penis-works-just-fine.jpg
/r/MensRights27/01/22 02:37 AM
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nobody had to shower at my high school. anybody seen taking their underwear off would have probably been considered a pervert or other deviant. it's not a concern of yours because of female privilege and a legal protection from anybody removing parts of your genitalia without your consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 12:09 AM
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100% generally visible to anyone who sees you naked. nobody got naked during sports or PE in school, and we had toilet and shower stalls in my college dorms. i'm 40 and the only men who have ever seen my penis are physicians and presumably my father.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 12:01 AM
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my experience is very normal. the parts of the female genitalia that get removed by female circumcision are external. most men i know never saw their classmates naked growing up. you're not the only woman i've seen claim it's normal, but you're in the minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 11:58 PM
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if you understand that removing ANY of your genitalia would be a harm, why wouldn't the same standard apply to me? my point is that peer-pressure and bullying are ridiculous reasons for somebody else to mutilate a part of my body that no stranger will ever see anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 11:38 PM
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the only difference is the gender of the victim.
/r/MensRights26/01/22 11:36 PM
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the question isn't about you doing anything to yourself. the question is about somebody breaking into your house while you're sleeping and strapping you down and forcibly removing parts of your genitalia. how much could they remove before it hurts you? no stranger has ever seen my penis.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 11:20 PM
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then you must be new. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17378847/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23374102/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8800902/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21672947 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/joa.13481 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17155977/ are you going to answer the question about how much of your genitalia somebody could remove before it would harm you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 10:37 PM
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receipts for what? how much of your genitalia could somebody amputate before it would hurt you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 10:31 PM
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circumcision removes the five most sensitive parts of the penis in all cases, and also leaves permanent scars and nerve damage in all cases. it makes sex and orgasms 70% to 80% less pleasurable for life. how much of your genitalia could somebody amputate before it would hurt you? who cares if there's conflict? parents have a duty to protect their child from anyone who wants to hurt them, even the child's other parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 10:23 PM
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okay again, they usually listen to the mom, but neither parent should get any say because it's not my mom's penis or my dad's penis. okay again, which parent should decide how much clitoris a little girl gets to keep?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 09:48 PM
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usually they listen to the mom. but neither parent should have any say. it's not my mom's penis or my dad's penis. which parent should decide how much clitoris a baby girl gets to keep?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 09:46 PM
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we're trying to stop our mothers (typically women) from doing things to our dick before we're capable of defending ourselves. we absolutely don't take kindly to it. leave our penises alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 09:20 PM
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other boys never saw my penis. my mother was my first bully when she decided my normal penis was something i should be ashamed of and she had to have it surgically altered before i was old enough to defend myself. i'll never forgive her for doing that to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 09:20 PM
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i wish my parents felt the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 08:51 PM
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you're missing the fact that we're shrieking because we're circumcised. we're shrieking about the horrible things that happen to us. does the fact that female circumcision groups like egypt, somalia, malaysia, and indonesia haven't died attrition deaths prove that female circumcision is no big deal? after all, if horrible things happened to circumcised women, wouldn't parents refuse to do it to their kids?
/r/MensRights26/01/22 08:10 PM
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most circumcised women are strongly in favor of it. you only hear complaints from the uncircumcised women. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob3Wf0PKtBM&t=7s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcJNAtn-c6I https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3134892/ male circumcision was a massive deal for me. maybe i can just process what i perceive to be very minimal benefits, possible increased hygiene and disease transmission risks worse than other men, and a dramatic reduction in the amount of pleasure …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 07:59 PM
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she also seems to think quickness is indicative of more pleasure, which is bizarre.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 06:17 AM
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you're simply not telling the truth.
/r/AntiFeminists26/01/22 05:39 AM
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if your kid hates his foreskin later in life, he can go to the doctor any afternoon he wants and walk out 2 hours later with the exact amount of penis he wants removed. on the other hand, if you circumcise him and he hates only having a partial penis, he's got 10+ years of r/foreskin_restoration ahead of him, and he'll never truly undo all of the damage. which situation would you prefer your son to wind up in?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 04:04 AM
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circumcised women still enjoy sex quite a bit, too. does that make it okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 03:58 AM
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i'd rather spend my time doing everything i can to prevent it from happening to other people.
/r/AntiFeminists26/01/22 03:58 AM
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so if you'd still enjoy them, would they still be pleasurable enough? would that make it okay for somebody to take away 50% of your pleasure while you're sleeping tonight? to me as a circumcised male, circumcision is by far the worst thing anybody has ever done to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 03:40 AM
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you wouldn't enjoy an orgasm that felt 50% as good as the ones you have now? it wouldn't still feel pleasurable?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 03:36 AM
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if you woke up tomorrow and found your orgasm intensity had been diminished by 50%, would you still enjoy them?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 03:30 AM
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foreskin does cut off the tip of the penis. it's a more serious issue than cutting off the clitoris.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 03:25 AM
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rape and slavery have been done for much longer than genital mutilation. the fact that something has been around for a long time in no way indicates that it's not a horrific thing. are you saying our brain function seems superior because we're circumcised?
/r/MensRights26/01/22 02:54 AM
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studies of the sensitivity show that most sexual pleasure comes from the foreskin, and 100% of sensitivity in the foreskin is lost after circumcision.
/r/MensRights26/01/22 02:35 AM
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assuming your parents never circumcised you, you have a full life of experience with being uncircumcised. your husband, assuming you had a husband, would almost certainly only have experience with one or the other but not both, just like you. shouldn't a parent do research and educate themselves on choices they're making for the safety and health of their child?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 01:53 AM
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there are FIVE TIMES MORE NERVE ENDINGS in the foreskin. adult men lost ALL feeling in their foreskin, and the foreskin is where MOST of the pleasure comes from during sex. premature ejaculation has nothing to do with sensitivity.
/r/MensRights26/01/22 01:31 AM
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i'm not fine.
/r/MensRights26/01/22 01:27 AM
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i am a victim. my penis was violently mutilated. if you'd expect them to assume loss of functioning, you don't understand human psychology very well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choice-supportive_bias
/r/MensRights26/01/22 01:21 AM
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it's also afraid of sanctions from america.
/r/MensRights26/01/22 01:19 AM
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do you have evidence to back up either of these claims?
/r/MensRights26/01/22 01:17 AM
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of course not, and i never suggested they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:51 AM
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studies of the foreskin show that it has five times more nerve endings than the rest of the penis does. they may not be more relevant to sensitivity, but that means you lose 80% of the pleasure you feel during sex after circumcision. this is proved by adult males who get circumcised. they say it's like eating food and not being able to taste it anymore. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj_nYcumC0c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AaUb63NLLw
/r/MensRights26/01/22 12:50 AM
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i'm not.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:48 AM
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you don't think that being told circumcision protects them from HIV is going to influence their perspective on it as a whole? no, their sensitivity was not ever tested. they were asked questions.
/r/MensRights26/01/22 12:48 AM
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i understand there are lots of ignorant people out there. thankfully, they're a tiny minority. imagine actually believing you're better off having 50% fewer orgasms. https://bjui-journals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1046/j.1464-410x.1999.0830s1079.x
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:46 AM
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the glans is the least sensitive part of the penis. removing a man's glans would be far less sexually crippling than circumcising him is. they picked the foreskin for a reason: it's the most damaging part to remove.
/r/MensRights26/01/22 12:45 AM
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my response to that is any parent who defers to somebody else needs to have their children taken away because they have failed as parents and shirked their responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:43 AM
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what echo chamber? i spend hours a day searching for "it's a boy" posts and messaging the parents-to-be.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:42 AM
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i already explained how circumcised men are dirtier than men with whole penises, though. and, considering women have fewer orgasms on average when their partner is missing part of his penis, getting part of your penis removed isn't something you do for your partner. it's actually punishing her with less sexual pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:41 AM
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they may tell you that, but i don't believe them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:40 AM
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they were deluding themselves to feel better about only having partial penises. https://fablesofaesop.com/the-fox-who-lost-his-tail.html
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:30 AM
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i spend more time doing this on facebook than reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:30 AM
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then why did you say they're the ones afraid of a normal penis?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:29 AM
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because the moms are the ones betraying their sons and shirking their responsibility as parents. no parent should be deferring their responsibility to anybody else. that should be grounds for the government to take your kids away.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:28 AM
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i've had these convos with men every day for the last 10 years. check my post history.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:26 AM
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you have that backwards. your husband was the one who had a harder time keeping clean in iraq and afghanistan because he lacked a foreskin to keep sand and dirt out of his urethra.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:25 AM
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how is that experience relevant to teaching a person how to clean it? single parents seem to get by just fine teaching opposite sex children how to wash themselves. it's not exactly rocket science. how is it any more appropriate that way?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:23 AM
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yet another reason i wish my parents hadn't mutilated my penis. a foreskin is nature's bimbo repellent. doesn't just protect against infections.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:22 AM
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https://www.childtrends.org/publications/dramatic-increase-in-percentage-of-births-outside-marriage-among-whites-hispanics-and-women-with-higher-education-levels
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:20 AM
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and until you see that evidence, we should just assume it's the father in the overwhelming majority of cases? LOL great logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:19 AM
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that's not true. the foreskin keeps dirt, sand, and other debris out of the urethra where it can cause infection and harm. that's why all desert mammals are born with a foreskin. it's much harder to keep a circumcised penis clean in conditions where safe water and other hygiene items are scarce. the foreskin is there to help keep a penis clean. you did cite sexual preferences. you said, and i quote: I would never consider a man that wasn't circumcised.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:15 AM
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circumcision paperwork is almost always provided to the parents upon hospital admission to deliver a male baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:13 AM
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i never said it's something a father shouldn't do, but i don't see why he has any more responsibility to do it than the mother does. why did your dad see it best your mom teach you about your vaginas and how to live with one?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:13 AM
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if the father wants to cut off the child's fingers or toes, shouldn't the mother protect the child? this is no different. i have yet to see evidence that the dads are the ones overwhelmingly making the decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:11 AM
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more often than not, the father is already gone by the time the child is born. what evidence do you have that the father wants it more frequently than the mother? that healthline article isn't accurate. the CDC does not and never has encouraged circumcision. mothers have a responsibility to protect their children from anybody who wants to harm them. instead they choose to betray them and maim them at their most defenseless stage of life. it's a horrifying betrayal. my anger is properly directed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:10 AM
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all circumcision is mutilation. the only difference between male mutilation and female circumcision is the gender of the victim. why is female circumcision so popularly accepted in those parts of the world if it does the horrible things that your citations pretend happen routinely actually happen? millions of happily circumcised women are not lying. it's fine. adult women who get circumcised are not lying. it's fine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcJNAtn-c6I
/r/MensRights26/01/22 12:07 AM
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there's no advantage to cutting off part of somebody's penis. you cited your sexual preference for partial penises as one of the reasons you'd do it to your son.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:06 AM
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why do you think homologiety is relevant? studies of infants show the foreskin is where most of the sensory receptors lie. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/joa.13481
/r/MensRights26/01/22 12:04 AM
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they told those men the procedure would protect them from HIV.
/r/MensRights26/01/22 12:03 AM
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the foreskin is the most sensitive part. this has been shown in many studies. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17378847/ adult men who get circumcised lose all feeling in their foreskin.
/r/MensRights26/01/22 12:03 AM
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that still doesn't explain why your preference for partial penises in sexual partners has anything to do with your son's body.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:01 AM
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what does "enough" feeling mean? how do you know you have "enough"?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:00 AM
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cool story bro.
/r/AntiFeminists25/01/22 11:59 PM
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then how is it like phillip morris telling you about how great smoking is for your health?
/r/MensRights25/01/22 11:59 PM
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are you saying OP makes money off of this?
/r/MensRights25/01/22 08:44 PM
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it destroys the five most sensitive parts of the penis. that is a harm. there is no such thing as needing circumcision. circumcision is real surgery.
/r/MensRights25/01/22 08:43 PM
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Circumcision had been popularly accepted precisely because all the horrible things that your citations pretend happen routinely, do not. They just don’t. Millions of happily circumcised men are not lying: it’s fine. Adults who get circumcised are not lying: it’s fine. is that why female circumcision is so common in malaysia and indonesia? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob3Wf0PKtBM
/r/MensRights25/01/22 08:42 PM
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how are the two related though? they aren't, unless you're hoping to show up on jerry springer.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 08:40 PM
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how much penis your partner is missing does not have any bearing on your child's body, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 08:33 PM
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unless you're planning to marry your child, your preferences in romantic partners should have no bearing on what customizations you make to your child's body.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 07:57 PM
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why do you think a less intense orgasm would make you last longer?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 07:48 PM
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what does that have to do with your romantic partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 07:47 PM
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so you're saying the wikipedia article is wrong? it says circumcised penises have visible scarring "in all cases".
/r/AntiFeminists25/01/22 07:46 PM
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it's not just reddit. this is my life. i'm not okay. i was genitally mutilated by my parents as a defenseless infant. no, there's nothing better to worry about.
/r/AntiFeminists25/01/22 07:45 PM
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so she'd be happier if her parents had circumcised her?
/r/MensRights25/01/22 08:25 AM
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Why do the fathers allow it? because they're in deep denial about their own circumcision. they want to continue pretending their parents did them a favor.
/r/MensRights25/01/22 08:08 AM
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there's a big difference between "some friends" and "every man you've met", though. i'm circumcised and i'm upset about it. so are the 20,000 other guys here: r/foreskin_restoration it holds more wight than chopping off the clit. most circumcised women are thankful for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 06:15 AM
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because surely we would be doing it in front of you, especially given your clear empathy for us. have you actually asked every man you've ever met, or are you assuming? the vast vast majority of men go their whole life with their whole penis, so they have nothing to be upset about.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 05:34 AM
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with how many men?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 05:26 AM
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once he's on reddit, what will stop him from stressing over his mutilated body?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 05:26 AM
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no they aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 05:25 AM
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according to wikipedia, circumcised penises have visible scarring "in all cases". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision_scar (NSFW!! penis scar pictures!!) in many cases, the dad isn't even in the picture anymore by the time the child is born.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 05:25 AM
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we didn't get a choice to do us. our mothers mutilated us before we were capable of self-defense. surgical scars don't look good.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 05:16 AM
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i meant the particular nations being discussed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 05:13 AM
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i don't see how that's any worse than not being able to have the child to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 05:09 AM
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it is, though. look at the map of MGM: https://i.redd.it/fo2ghgbe9u351.png' nearly all circumcised men live in countries that also cut women. most male circumcision happens it the third world where they don't have trained doctors or sterile medical facilities to use.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 05:08 AM
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so does the mother serve any purpose at all in your view?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 05:06 AM
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it's still far more evidence than you've presented. why should i believe that more than a tiny fraction of them experience pain?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 05:04 AM
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"sorry kids, take it up with god".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 05:03 AM
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i know what you said. my point was that the rest of her genitalia is still more prone to infection than any little boy's is. my point was that a self-cleaning vagina does not protect her from genital infections.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 05:03 AM
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Male circumcision causes painful sex less often than Female circumcision. prove it. That is why 1/3 of male population is circumcised while women are less likely. that's a non sequitur. there's no evidence that the prevalence of either one has to do with pain during sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 05:02 AM
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so if he wants to circumcise your daughter, you won't stand up for her?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:58 AM
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says who?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:58 AM
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my point wasn't about who was deciding. my point was that it's usually not done by a doctor. the only difference between MGM and FGM is the gender of the victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:57 AM
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it's very true. https://www.vice.com/en/article/4w7ja9/female-circumcision-is-becoming-more-popular-in-malaysia
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:50 AM
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then how do you like this one? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17970975/ or this one? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3134892/
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:50 AM
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how is removing the clit any worse than removing the five most sensitive parts of the penis? it's just a lump of flesh over the vagina. circumcision causes painful sex for many men and their sexual partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:49 AM
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if you aren't planning to date him, why does it matter what you prefer in your own sexual partners, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:48 AM
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circumcision reduces sensation in the penis by 70% to 80%. most of the real world never considered cutting parts off of penises to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:47 AM
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wrong. most MGM is done in the third world by a barber or tribal elder. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/25/male-circumcision-ceremonies-death-deformity-africa
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:47 AM
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complications from MGM like meatal stenosis can render a man incapable of getting a woman pregnant. that doesn't affect the future children he could want?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:47 AM
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why not leave the decision up to your son? after all, it's his penis, not his dad's.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:46 AM
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if they'd removed your entire penis, you'd never have to clean your penis. guess you missed out.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:45 AM
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it's made every orgasm you've ever had much less intense and much shorter in duration. you don't abort a person, you abort a pregnancy. after birth, the pregnancy is over, so it's no longer possible to have an abortion. you wouldn't remember it if they'd removed both of your testicles that young. would that justify it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:44 AM
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did you see any girls with genital issues at the clinic? did you consider those girls when deciding whether or not to remove parts of your daughter's genitalia at birth?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:43 AM
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i hope nobody circumcised them when the proper fix was to loosen their foreskin. i suffered from painfully tight erections when i went through puberty because my parents circumcised me as an infant. there's no easy fix for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:42 AM
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the entire human body is a petri dish for bacteria and germs and infections. a normal human penis needs more care prior to puberty than a circumcised penis does. you are misinformed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:41 AM
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this man killed himself after getting circumcised later in life. https://www.amazon.com/dp/1913615472
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:40 AM
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more and more female circumcision is being done in hospitals each year. https://www.who.int/reproductivehealth/topics/fgm/medicalization_fgm_kenya/en/ https://www.unfpa.org/resources/brief-medicalization-female-genital-mutilation https://theconversation.com/female-genital-cutting-common-in-indonesia-offered-as-part-of-child-delivery-by-birth-clinics-54379 https://www.vice.com/en/article/4w7ja9/female-circumcision-is-becoming-more-popular-in-malaysia
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:38 AM
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how is removing the labia or clitoris any worse than removing the foreskin?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:37 AM
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it's the same thing. we don't need to compare them because they're identical.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:37 AM
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circumcision is the partial removal of the external male genitalia. circumcision can cause severe bleeding and problems urinating, and later cysts, infections, and complications in impregnation.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:36 AM
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most circumcised women experience no pain during sex. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1743609515000582
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:35 AM
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the head of the penis is the least sensitive part of the penis. the foreskin is the most sensitive part of the penis. circumcision does destroy the nerve endings. that's the whole point of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:35 AM
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the only difference is the gender of the victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:34 AM
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the vulva is definitely not self-cleaning. an uncircumcised vulva can still have things stuck in the labial folds and underneath the clitoral hood if you don't clean them properly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:34 AM
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and you don't think your son will ever join reddit?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:33 AM
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why do you see it as the father's responsibility?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:32 AM
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is this something you've experienced frequently yourself? or are you repeating stories you've been told?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:32 AM
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no it isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:31 AM
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are you planning to date your son?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:31 AM
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it's american prudishness again. the idea is that, if orgasms don't feel as good, men will have less incentive to seek them out. circumcision was intended to cut down on things like premarital sex, adultery, rape, and prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:31 AM
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this isn't a question about your own romantic partners, though. it's about your child.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:29 AM
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would you compromise if you marry somebody whose religion demands female circumcision?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:29 AM
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do you have any basis for making this assumption?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:29 AM
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you don't see it as a mom's business to protect her children from permanent bodily harm?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:27 AM
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it's a denial thing. if they don't circumcise their son, they're effectively admitting that they themselves might have been better off with their whole penis.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:26 AM
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what if their son would rather have his whole penis, though? it's not daddy's penis, so it shouldn't be his choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:25 AM
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I think it’s insane and don’t understand why it is even legal to make permanent body modifications to a baby who can’t consent just for cosmetic purposes. most of the people making laws had it done to them, and don't want to have to consider that maybe it shouldn't have been done to them. "my penis works just fine!!!111!'
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:23 AM
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I’ve actually asked them if they wish they hadn’t been and they all agreed that they preferred to be circumcised. have you ever read "green eggs and ham"?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:22 AM
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there are less damaging cures for phimosis, anyway. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29909192/
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:22 AM
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My sister had 2 boys and both of them were circumcised "so they'd be like their dad." if one of the kids ended up with a botched surgery, would daddy be signing up to get his botched to "be like his son"?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:21 AM
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balanitis is inflammation of the head of the penis. that happens whether or not they amputate the foreskin. if circumcision protected against STDs, we wouldn't find america (where nearly all men are circumcised) has 2 to 3 times higher STD rates compared to europe (where nearly no men were circumcised). if circumcision had health benefits, we'd see it practiced for medical reasons in top ranked healthcare systems worldwide. instead, we find america (ranked #37 globally) is the only nation that p…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:19 AM
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the puritans didn't circumcise. it goes back to evangelical protestant christians during the second and third great awakenings. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Great_Awakening
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:18 AM
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it was popularized as a way to try to attenuate the male sex drive and make men more chaste and less sex-driven.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:17 AM
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not just the boys. most girls in those nations are also circumcised as a rite of passage.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:16 AM
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i never said they speak for you or other liberals. they speak for themselves. they are not doctors or rabbis. obviously you are covering your eyes to the many other groups who support MGM. they are not evangelical, either.
/r/MensRights24/01/22 11:48 PM
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are you sure you know what a circumcision scar looks like? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision_scar (NSFW!! pictures of scarred penises!)
/r/AntiFeminists24/01/22 11:47 PM
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i never said she's an honest person. i said i want the support of everybody, honest and otherwise.
/r/MensRights24/01/22 10:46 PM
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absolutely not. the rates there have plummeted in the 21st century. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3526493/
/r/MensRights24/01/22 10:45 PM
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i want people from all over the spectrum supporting my stance. if i only get people on my side supporting my stance, then the other side opposes it automatically.
/r/MensRights24/01/22 10:31 PM
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The only people I've seen advocating for MGM are doctors and Rabbi's then you need to stop covering your eyes. https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2022/01/21/sex-and-the-city-circumcision-reddit/
/r/MensRights24/01/22 10:26 PM
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that doesn't make any sense.
/r/MensRights24/01/22 10:25 PM
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the more people we get on our side from across the political spectrum, the better it looks. she really helps with the "this is just a whiny white MRA issue" people.
/r/MensRights24/01/22 10:25 PM
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i'm really proud of her!
/r/MensRights24/01/22 10:24 PM
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nice rebuttal.
/r/AntiFeminists24/01/22 09:55 PM
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it explains that both male and female circumcision were created for the same reason in the same place at the same time. i'm 40.
/r/AntiFeminists23/01/22 12:12 AM
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you clearly didn't read it very carefully: "During the Pharaonic era, the Egyptians believed in gods having bisexual features. Elizabeth Boyle recounts that these features were believed to reflect upon the mortals, with women’s clitoris representing the masculine soul and men’s prepuce that of the feminine soul. Thus, circumcision was considered to be a marker of womanhood and a way to detach from her masculine soul."
/r/AntiFeminists22/01/22 01:50 AM
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it is circumcision. circumcision of both males and female was developed by those same people, at that same time, in that same place, for the same reasons. it explains that. did you read it?
/r/AntiFeminists21/01/22 06:03 PM
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the same way female circumcision can be a blow to the man's ego when he's unable to please his partner.
/r/MensRights21/01/22 04:30 AM
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i know women who have trained themselves to be unable to orgasm without the use of a vibrator.
/r/MensRights21/01/22 04:29 AM
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how much of a man's penis could somebody amputate before it could reasonably be expected to impact his sexual function?
/r/MensRights21/01/22 04:29 AM
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here's a good place to start: https://sahiyo.com/2018/07/21/tracing-the-origins-of-female-genital-cutting-how-it-all-started/
/r/AntiFeminists21/01/22 04:17 AM
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the history of female and male circumcision are identical. they were both developed in the same area (northeast africa) by the same people at the same time for the same reasons.
/r/AntiFeminists21/01/22 01:23 AM
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she does have a right to be a sexist if she wishes. the rest of us have a right to call her out on her sexism. there is no women's issue. genital mutilation is a human issue.
/r/AntiFeminists20/01/22 08:04 PM
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most circumcisions happen at around age 12. most circumcisions are carried out by a barber. i was one day old when my penis was mutilated. if you look at either of their penises, you will see very obvious surgical scars. when i say scarred, i'm talking about literal scar tissue. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision_scar (NSFW!! pictures of penis scars!!) circumcision removes the five most sensitive parts of the male genitalia and has a bigger impact on the pleasure derived from sex than …
/r/AntiFeminists19/01/22 07:26 AM
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that's because i was literally using your own words against you. i don't even have a twitter account. i'm a feminist, too. i've never once tried to drag feminism. i only drag sexists.
/r/AntiFeminists19/01/22 07:23 AM
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most male circumcision happens to preteens and teens. less than 5% of males get circumcised as a baby, but around 30% get circumcised by age 18. that means most male circumcision happens at significantly older ages. how often do you look at your brothers' penises to tell me they have no surgical scars? virtually every man i've ever known has suffered at the hands of circumcision, myself included. there's 20,000 of us here: r/foreskin_restoration circumcision takes away nearly all of the pleausur…
/r/AntiFeminists19/01/22 02:07 AM
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most circumcised women say they're completely fine, too. many don't even know they're missing anything unless somebody tells them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcJNAtn-c6I https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3134892/ https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/female-genital-mutilation-surgery-africa-western-media-404864 stop making up problems where there are none.
/r/AntiFeminists19/01/22 02:03 AM
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none of the shit you're talking about matters while we're being denied the right to our own bodies. the routine sexual abuse of most baby boys born in america is a massive problem.
/r/AntiFeminists19/01/22 02:02 AM
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there is one single societal context around both. female circumcision happens to 90% of females in egypt and is seen as socially acceptable. america is not society, and this author isn't even an american. male and female circumcision are equally common where she comes from, and are viewed the same way.
/r/AntiFeminists19/01/22 01:55 AM
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it is false. virtually all circumcised women still can and do orgasm after their clitoris is removed. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17970975/ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1743609515000582 the head is scientifically proven to be the LEAST sensitive part of the penis. i gave you a study conclusively proving it.
/r/AntiFeminists19/01/22 01:54 AM
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And why would you judge someone for being circumcised, majority people have this happen to them so early in life that they don't get a choice. depends what part of the world you live in. https://momcenter.com.ph/2018/04/13/how-to-explain-tuli-to-your-little-boy/
/r/MenSupportMen19/01/22 01:52 AM
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it's not from a baby. you don't speak for the majority of circumcised individuals. r/foreskin_restoration r/CircumcisionGrief many of us have spent years of our lives trying to undo the damage from circumcision.
/r/AntiFeminists18/01/22 07:19 AM
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circumcision is absolutely the destruction of a man's genital area. circumcision crushes and removes the five most sensitive parts of a man's genitals. it only leaves the least sensitive parts of his genitals attached, and it leaves them with permanent lifelong scarring and nerve damage. circumcision is always done by oppressive parents who want to stop their son from having sex early on. circumcision is very rare in western countries for a reason. there are no benefits to mutilating anybody's p…
/r/AntiFeminists18/01/22 07:18 AM
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you are facing cognitive dissonance. hope you work your way through it.
/r/AntiFeminists18/01/22 01:36 AM
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the part where you spent your entire post dismissing and minimizing it. they are physically equivalent. female circumcision does have the effects it does. MGM has all those same effects and more.
/r/AntiFeminists18/01/22 12:52 AM
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it is science. and the rant cited MULTIPLE studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 12:19 AM
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the complication rate during or after MGM in america is 11.5%: https://spuonline.org/abstracts/2018/P21.cgi the complication rate during or after MGM in the third world is much much higher: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/25/male-circumcision-ceremonies-death-deformity-africa most MGM happens in the third world. your study only looked at women in one specific third world country, so you need to do an apples to apples comparison. your "science would disagree" link doesn't go to…
/r/AntiFeminists18/01/22 12:15 AM
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The complications with circumcision are, while completely awful and horrible, only a small fraction of the procedures performed. The list I provided isn't a list of complications. It's a list of standard given side effects. you're lying. Like I said, I completely support pushing against it, but downplaying the extremity the way you are and drawing false equivalence isn't the way to do it. Educated and informed discussions around it are a must, not just regurgitating whatever you hear from others…
/r/AntiFeminists17/01/22 11:43 PM
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there are many. the rant you linked to cites several.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 11:34 PM
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genital mutilation where the victim happens to be female isn't a separate issue from other cases of genital mutilation. it's sexist to pretend that we should care more about genital mutilation when it happens to a female than when it happens to a male or intersex child.
/r/AntiFeminists17/01/22 11:33 PM
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a clitoris is the only way most women can orgasm this is false. this person just doesn’t seem to understand that losing the clitoris is akin to losing the entire head of the penis the head is the LEAST sensitive part of the penis. cutting off the head of a man's penis would be LESS sexually crippling than circumcising him. you seem horribly misinformed about male sexual anatomy. https://www.arclaw.org/wp-content/uploads/Sorrells-Fine-touch-BJUI-2007.pdf
/r/AntiFeminists17/01/22 11:30 PM
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yes, it's a dirty lump of flesh above the vagina with less than half as many erogenous nerve endings as a foreskin. do you know what a foreskin is?
/r/AntiFeminists17/01/22 11:30 PM
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the "knob" is the least sensitive part of the penis. the foreskin is bigger than the palm of your hand or the cheek of your face, and is also the primary male erogenous zone. i'm a circumcised guy. i had it forced on me at my most defenseless stage of life because my parents wanted to keep me chaste and faithful to my wife. it's the worst thing anyone has ever done to me.
/r/AntiFeminists17/01/22 11:30 PM
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my circumcised girlfriend has no problems cumming, either. nor does this circumcised woman. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob3Wf0PKtBM&t=7s i think that removal of the foreskin is MORE debilitating than the removal of a dirty lump of flesh above the vagina. how do you think men cum? the foreskin is the most important part of a man's body for sex.
/r/AntiFeminists17/01/22 11:28 PM
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are you saying a book cannot be discriminatory? LOL i expect her to change the scope to be about genital mutilation, so that her book does not discriminate on the basis of sex. it would not even slightly alter the size of the context.
/r/AntiFeminists17/01/22 11:27 PM
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you.
/r/AntiFeminists17/01/22 11:26 PM
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MGM is literally done to prevent a man from orgasming. In cases of masturbation we must, I believe, break the habit by inducing such a condition of the parts as will cause too much local suffering to allow of the practice being continued. For this purpose, if the prepuce is long, we may circumcise the male patient with present and probably with future advantage; the operation, too, should not be performed under chloroform, so that the pain experienced may be associated with the habit we wish to …
/r/AntiFeminists17/01/22 11:26 PM
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So far so good. I did point out some distinctions between collective practitioners of male circumcision and their equipment and those of FGM. but your distinctions were wrong, as MOST male circumcision is performed in the third world. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/25/male-circumcision-ceremonies-death-deformity-africa My arguments here have been regarding the differences in parents' and practitioners' intentions with either procedure as well as their regard for the health an…
/r/AntiFeminists17/01/22 11:24 PM
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This is religious superstition. It's specifically Jewish (fairly small target audience in US and UK) and in no sense based on even semi-modern medical knowledge. Couldn't you find something a little more current? my point wasn't to find something current. my point was to find something very ancient because you were talking about the reasons why it was started. those same religious reasons are the reasons for female circumcision. allah doesn't take kindly to unchaste women. most male circumcision…
/r/AntiFeminists17/01/22 11:23 PM
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we're not talking about a couple millimeters. we're talking about 15 square inches of penis. the amount they amputate is bigger than the palm of your hand or the cheek of your face. https://i.postimg.cc/yV6Bcy7P/iphone-5s.jpg?dl=1
/r/AntiFeminists17/01/22 11:21 PM
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you said they weren't trying to control our sexual behavior. parents are looking to protect their daughter from dangers based in religious superstition. allah doesn't take kindly to unchaste women, don't you know.
/r/AntiFeminists17/01/22 11:19 PM
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every time somebody claims MGM isn't done to deprive men of sexual pleasure and control our behavior. female circumcision is done to save your daughter from hell. isn't that a good thing?
/r/AntiFeminists17/01/22 11:18 PM
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that "flap of skin" has more than twice as many erogenous nerve endings as the clitoris does. why am i supposed to see the removal of a lump of flesh as any worse than the removal of a man's primary erogenous zone?
/r/AntiFeminists17/01/22 11:17 PM
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my point was that if circumcision was as harmful to a boy's health as fgm often is to a girl's, both would carry equal punishments. in an ideal world, this might be true. in the real world, it's not how laws work. in my US state, female circumcision is fully legal and has no punishment. can you explain what's wrong with clitoral excision other than it being carried out before a little girl has the knowledge to make that decision for herself? because i don't see how the destruction of a man's pri…
/r/AntiFeminists17/01/22 11:16 PM
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you're wrong. it absolutely gives me that right.
/r/AntiFeminists17/01/22 11:15 PM
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In cases of masturbation we must, I believe, break the habit by inducing such a condition of the parts as will cause too much local suffering to allow of the practice being continued. For this purpose, if the prepuce is long, we may circumcise the male patient with present and probably with future advantage; the operation, too, should not be performed under chloroform, so that the pain experienced may be associated with the habit we wish to eradicate. -Athol A. W. Johnson, On An Injurious Habit …
/r/AntiFeminists17/01/22 11:14 PM
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the head of the penis is the LEAST sensitive part of the penis. the foreskin of the penis is the MOST sensitive part of the penis. so, as you admit, they take the most sensitive part of a man's penis in order to de[rive him of sexual pleasure and keep him chaste and faithful to his wife. it is ABSOLUTELY done to boys because it is believed it ensures control. the most common complication of MGM is meatal stenosis, which is when the urethral opening seals itself shut with scar tissue, making it d…
/r/AntiFeminists17/01/22 11:13 PM
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MGM causes: Constant pain Repetitive infections Infertility Bleeding Cysts Abscesses Incontinence Pain during urination Pain during ejaculation extreme pain and difficulty during sex for the rest of their life Increased risk of HIV, other diseases, and infections Psychological trauma, depression, PTSD Scar tissue/ keloids Loss of any source of sexual pleasure and is replaced with permanent pain and sensitivity to the touch Loss of entire penis Death https://med.stanford.edu/newborns/professional…
/r/AntiFeminists17/01/22 11:11 PM
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MGM typically ranges in the way it's carried out from removing the very tip of the foreskin, to removing the entire foreskin and the frenulum, to removing all the slack skin on the penis and letting the urethral opening seal itself shut with scar tissue and surgically reopening a tiny hole in it for semsn and pee (that second surgery is called "meatotomy" if you want to look it up). Your statement is factually incorrect and I hope I can help inform you of the seriousness of this procedure. MGM i…
/r/AntiFeminists17/01/22 11:10 PM
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In Western countries male circumision is usually done because people still mistakenly believe that it's cleaner which western countries does that happen in? in america (where i live and had it done to me), it's done for "moral hygiene" in other words to keep men chaste and faithful to our wives. it was done to me to prevent me from feeling sexual pleasure. Also in the most extreme cases of FGM the entire clitoris is removed in ALL cases of MGM, the entire foreskin is removed. the foreskin has mo…
/r/AntiFeminists17/01/22 11:06 PM
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female circumcision is a minor surgery. it's typically less damaging and less dangerous than male circumcision.
/r/AntiFeminists16/01/22 08:40 PM
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she mutilated a child's genitals. she deserves no more respect than she gave him.
/r/AntiFeminists16/01/22 08:39 PM
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the removal of loose folds of excess genital tissue that stay warm and moist and make a perfect breeding ground for bacteria is as likely to prevent infections in women as it is in men. in most parts of the world, male genital mutilation exceptionally rare. should we assume female circumcision isn't genuinely harmful to a child's health and/or mental well-being because of how common it is in egypt, sudan, indonesia, and malaysia?
/r/AntiFeminists16/01/22 08:38 PM
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female circumcision is legal in most parts of the world where it is practiced. male circumcision in america is done to keep boys and men chaste and faithful to their wives. it's designed to stop males enjoying sex. it's another example of american prudishness. it's what you get when your nation is founded by religious extremists.
/r/AntiFeminists16/01/22 08:37 PM
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it satisfies the reddit terms of service. that's a use.
/r/AntiFeminists16/01/22 08:35 PM
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why did she write a book that discriminates on the basis of gender? why does one about little boys need to be a separate book? why not just write a non-sexist book to begin with? she practices genital mutilation personally. we don't. i assure you nobody on this thread has ever gotten our daughter circumcised.
/r/AntiFeminists16/01/22 08:35 PM
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The issue is that the female genital mutilation is in many cases way more invasive an traumatic. no it isn't. If there was a thing where they cut off the tip of little boys penises so they wouldn’t “wander off” to other women I would understand what you mean. that's exactly what happens to most baby boys born in america. MGM affects the boys' lives just as much as female circumcision affects the girls' lives.
/r/AntiFeminists16/01/22 08:34 PM
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circumcision removes the five most sensitive parts of the penis.
/r/AntiFeminists16/01/22 08:33 PM
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the foreskin has more than twice as many erogenous nerve endings as the clit does.
/r/AntiFeminists16/01/22 08:33 PM
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the reason behind it in america is because of "moral hygiene". it's intended to keep men chaste.
/r/AntiFeminists16/01/22 08:32 PM
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Mainly because all it takes is a description of how most FGM is performed for even a layperson to know it's a bad idea. Not so much with male circumcision which, from a just limited search, is still considered debatable as to its effects on sexual pleasure and damage in general. have you ever read how MGM is performed? The damage from FGM is not only obvious but painful too. That's not the case with male circumcision. it's more common for MGM than for FGM. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr…
/r/AntiFeminists16/01/22 08:32 PM
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Can you show me something that supports this idea? Hundreds of thousands of parents rushing to their pediatrician's offices, concerned about how to reduce if not eradicate their son's sexual pleasure? Show me, please. * In cases of masturbation we must, I believe, break the habit by inducing such a condition of the parts as will cause too much local suffering to allow of the practice being continued. For this purpose, if the prepuce is long, we may circumcise the male patient with present and pr…
/r/AntiFeminists16/01/22 08:30 PM
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it's a fact. you are wrong. In cases of masturbation we must, I believe, break the habit by inducing such a condition of the parts as will cause too much local suffering to allow of the practice being continued. For this purpose, if the prepuce is long, we may circumcise the male patient with present and probably with future advantage; the operation, too, should not be performed under chloroform, so that the pain experienced may be associated with the habit we wish to eradicate. -Athol A. W. Joh…
/r/AntiFeminists16/01/22 08:29 PM
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This was never the intent behind or even the conventional opinion about male circumcision by those who approved and performed it. the intent of male circumcision was ALWAYS to sexually cripple the victim. http://www.cirp.org/library/cultural/maimonides/ there's no evidence the removal of the five most sensitive parts of somebody's penis was ever seen as an upgrade. nobody with sense believes any parent who had their boys circumcised had anything different going through their head than a parent w…
/r/AntiFeminists16/01/22 08:29 PM
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circumcision is beyond fucked up for boys. in most of the world, men go their whole lives without getting any of their penis amputated and they don't seem to have issues with nasty infections. in parts of the world that circumcise girls, they claim that female circumcision protects them from nasty infections. the problem with this world is i don't get to choose to get the rest of my penis back because my mom chose to take it away from me.
/r/AntiFeminists16/01/22 08:26 PM
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I won't deny that mutilation to girls is "worse" i will. in most cases, female circumcision is less damaging and less dangerous.
/r/AntiFeminists16/01/22 08:25 PM
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you are an asshole tho. look up the definition of the word mutilate.
/r/AntiFeminists16/01/22 08:24 PM
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cutting off part of somebody's penis is by definition mutilation. no comparison is necessary.
/r/AntiFeminists16/01/22 08:24 PM
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i don't care. it's still a rant. they literally cite several studies within their rant.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 05:42 AM
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that's not any kind of study. it's a rant on a wiki.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 07:18 PM
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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/227011336_Physical_Effects_of_Circumcision
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 01:22 AM
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yes they do. the clitoris has about 8,000 erogenous nerve endings. the foreskin has about 20,000 erogenous nerve endings.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 01:10 AM
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the foreskin is part of the penis. foreskin removal is partial removal of the penis. the foreskin has more than twice as many erogenous nerve endings as the clitoris does. foreskin is more important to sexual pleasure and orgasm than the clitoris is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 01:07 AM
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yes it is. male circumcision removes part or all of the penis. my point is that circumcised women are at least as likely to be thankful they were circumcised as circumcised men are. medically and biologically, they're both genital mutilation for the explicit purpose of control and oppression.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 12:24 AM
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i don't have any. i was genitally mutilated as an infant.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 12:09 AM
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you're wrong. 85% of them are thankful for it. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3134892/ the only difference is the gender of the victim. they're very comparable.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 12:09 AM
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the majority of circumcised women are thankful for it, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 12:01 AM
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check your privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 12:00 AM
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your stats do not provide evidence that they fit into any of those cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 07:39 PM
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A good majority of women seeking abortions ARE living in poverty, unable to care for a child for any of the number of reasons I’ve stated. where's the proof? The foster care system is a travesty. Children in it regularly face abuse, neglect, and sexual assault. The caseworkers handling them are severely overworked, underpaid, and can’t adequately make sure that those children are safe (whether with open cases still with their bio families or in foster homes). Decent foster parents are extremely …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 07:38 PM
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Most women who opt for abortions are dealing with the above. this is not true. 21.4 million women are living in poverty in America and cannot afford an unwanted pregnancy or child not a majority. 37% of pregnant women in America are on Medicaid, which requires being very low income. not a majority. 1 in 6 American children live in food-insecure households. not a majority. There are 425,000 children in foster care and millions more with open child welfare cases. is that a bad thing? Less than 1% …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 06:10 AM
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the same reason you tried to focus on happily circumcised men when we're talking about those of us who hate being genitally mutilated. clearly by the 20,000 men on r/foreskin_restoration and the hundreds of thousands of DTR and TLC tugger customers, a large percentage of circumcised men are unhappy about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 06:07 AM
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the vast majority of unwanted pregnancies aren't the worst case scenario you outlined, either. the vast majority of unplanned pregnancies don't ruin anybody's life.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 06:06 AM
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i didn't say they were.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 04:42 AM
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you aren't comparing it to the most likely negative effect of not being able to get an abortion, though. you're comparing it to a worst case scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 04:42 AM
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it was and still is a surgical procedure used to control men. there's no evidence it's been around any longer than FGM. what was FGM used for?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 03:12 AM
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i'm not talking about egyptians. i'm talking specifically about the jewish faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 03:03 AM
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he's the most influential rabbi of all time. who would you say is more of an authority on the jewish faith and why jews do it than him?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 02:51 AM
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the worst cases of circumcision aren't "losing some sensation". https://slate.com/technology/2004/06/why-did-david-reimer-commit-suicide.html https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-47292307 https://www.queerty.com/leading-voice-circumcision-jonathon-conte-found-dead-34-20160520
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 02:02 AM
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the numbers of the worst cases for circumcised men pale in comparison to the number of women who face the circumstances I stated above. prove it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 02:01 AM
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funny how you get to focus on a very tiny minority, ignoring all of the women who are happily pregnant. women shouldn't be kept out of the genital mutilation debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 02:01 AM
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what's sick about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:29 PM
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where i went to school, it was literally every single boy. not just a majority. you can't get made fun of for doing the exact same thing as everybody else.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:29 PM
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moses maimonides, the most influential rabbi in the history of the jewish faith, says it never had anything to do with cleanliness and was always about controlling men: http://www.cirp.org/library/cultural/maimonides/
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:27 PM
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the idea that circumcision makes men less sex-driven has been recorded for thousands of years. this is from 1100 AD: http://www.cirp.org/library/cultural/maimonides/
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:27 PM
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yes. i know men who have their peehole halfway or more down their dick and prefer keeping it there to losing their foreskin and having their dick filleted open to have a fake urethra extension built inside of it using their foreskin. what's wrong with sitting to pee? there's a thing called a turkey baster, you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 12:23 PM
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circumcision is what causes death-grip syndrome. what does "hornier than ever" mean? how old were you when you got circumcised?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 11:26 AM
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This topic just gets so much onto my nerves. Like for example, I am circumcised and I can easily masturbate without lube. then you're not as circumcised as the rest of us. the only way you can do that is if you still have some of your foreskin left. Maybe should firstly get that death-grip syndrome fixed, they obviously have. a full circumcision is the cause of death grip syndrome.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 11:25 AM
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the problem with that logic is it assumes a circumcised penis is normal. it's not. many men (myself included) would rather have hypospadias and a foreskin than a circumcised penis. especially considering all of the scar tissue and risk of long term complications that come from hypospadias "repair" surgery. i know several guys with hypospadias who are thankful their parents didn't force surgery on them. i know one guy who was born with hypospadias who is pissed his parents did force surgery on hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 11:06 AM
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In cases of masturbation we must, I believe, break the habit by inducing such a condition of the parts as will cause too much local suffering to allow of the practice being continued. For this purpose, if the prepuce is long, we may circumcise the male patient with present and probably with future advantage; the operation, too, should not be performed under chloroform, so that the pain experienced may be associated with the habit we wish to eradicate. -Athol A. W. Johnson, On An Injurious Habit …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 10:49 AM
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i'm not saying it's effective. i'm saying that was the intent. i didn't make it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 10:49 AM
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no they don't. i'm a man. for more than 30 years, i experienced ejaculation without ever having a single orgasm. now i get the reverse and sometimes have orgasms without ejaculating.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 10:47 AM
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unless they were non-white or irish or italian or didn't own land or were poor or were born in a monarchy
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/22 08:18 AM
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no it isn't. that's a genetic fallacy. you are failing to assess the study on its own merits and are dismissing it simply because of who was involved. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 08:00 AM
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i'm saying the experiment being funded and designed by NOCIRC is not itself evidence of bias. do you have any evidence of bias in the design of the experiment?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:57 AM
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interesting how she deleted her comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:54 AM
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are you trying to hint at a genetic fallacy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:52 AM
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only about 1,000 years. LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:51 AM
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so?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:49 AM
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the info is all there, but most of it is behind a paywall. you can find the entire study and all of the data at this mirror link: https://www.arclaw.org/wp-content/uploads/Sorrells-Fine-touch-BJUI-2007.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:44 AM
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because they didn't like being circumcised.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:43 AM
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they should ALWAYS have to protect their child from the pediatrician. as you point out, the pediatrician ALWAYS has a financial incentive to perform medically unnecessary and harmful treatments and surgeries.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:40 AM
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the foreskin is the most sensitive part. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17378847/
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:39 AM
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for as long as jewish moms have been mutilating jewish men as infants, the men they've grown up to be have been complaining. your people literally invented the world's first foreskin restoration device. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pondus_Judaeus
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:38 AM
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not just masturbation. it was also intended to prevent premarital sex, adultery, and "youthful rapes".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:35 AM
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what if the bit was the most sensitive part?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:33 AM
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Feminist mothers lead the charge against circumcision in North America, not men. are you sure that's true? as far as i can tell, The Bloodstained Men have been leading the charge for at least the last 10 or so years.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:32 AM
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Circumcised penises are the norm in western porn, an industry led by men. not western porn, only american porn. they're the norm in american porn because nearly all american men are circumcised. it's not as if men are being selected for american porn on the basis of having a circumcised penis or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:31 AM
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how much of your genitals could somebody cut off before you'd consider it a problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:29 AM
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genital mutilation is a real problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:25 AM
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parents should be protecting the child from the pediatrician. that's their job. if somebody wants to cut your child's body up for money, you as a parent need to step in.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:24 AM
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every male child is born with a mushroom tip, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:23 AM
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that's my point. circumcision does absolutely nothing to reduce a man's risk of getting HIV from anal sex with his wife or girlfriend (or prostitute, for that matter), and a man is far far more likely to get HIV from anal sex with his wife (or girlfriend or prostitute) than vaginal. that's why the 50% to 60% number is wrong. if you click through and read the study, the 50% to 60% number is exclusively for unprotected vaginal sex with an infected woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:20 AM
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men deserve the right to make our own choices about our own bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:19 AM
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why would we lie about it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUE_t_khAAI
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:19 AM
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Everytime this type of thread is posted on a main sub, every dude in it says they seriously couldn’t care less that isn't true. there are several circumcised dudes on this thread telling you that we care very much that we were circumcised and it's wrong. why do you insist on speaking over us? male circumcision is a brutal barbaric ritual designed to cause pain, almost always done on a fully awake and aware boy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:17 AM
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why do you think it's their responsibility? doesn't a parent have a responsibility to stand up for their child and protect him?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:15 AM
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no it doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:13 AM
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polls show at least 10% to 20% of circumcised males wish they weren't circumcised.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:12 AM
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you left out the from female partners part. and it's a VERY important part. it's extremely rare for a man to contract HIV from vaginal sex with a female partner. even if she's infected, he still only has a 1 in 12,000 chance of catching HIV from her. the vast vast majority of men who have HIV contracted it through IV drug use or through sex with a male partner. so no, men with whole penises are not 50% to 60% more likely to contract HIV. and it's even more nuanced than that because it only appli…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:10 AM
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the anonymity of the internet makes it much easier. it's something i rarely bring up in real life situations. it's very taboo to talk about in almost all situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:08 AM
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supporters of female circumcision say the same things. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcJNAtn-c6I
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:00 AM
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they're both forms of sexual assault.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:00 AM
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circumcision doesn't actually reduce sexual urges. it just reduces sexual satisfaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:00 AM
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no, healthline literally never said anything of the sort.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 06:58 AM
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i don't have HIV.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 06:51 AM
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that's absolutely untrue. the jewish circumcision procedure changed radically around 300 AD. jews stopped practicing brit milah and started performing a much more radical mutilation procedure called brit periah. michelangelo's david has a circumcision in the style of abraham. most people familiar with the modern circumcision practice think michelangelo's david is intact.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 06:49 AM
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the belief that a jewish boy is entitled to fewer rights because he happens to be jewish is anti-semitism.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 06:48 AM
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that's not true. many of my female friends do. one of them is having a really hard time because she recently found out a boyfriend she really likes is circumcised.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 06:47 AM
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i've lived in america my entire life. the fact that other man here have scarred partial penises too doesn't make me feel any less ashamed of my scarred partial penis. if you lived in a culture where most women had their clitoris removed as little girls, do you think you'd be proud of your excised clitoris, then? any girl who would be turned off by me having my whole penis is a girl i'm better off without. foreskin is nature's bimbo repellent.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 06:46 AM
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it's really interesting how people's cognitive dissonance leads them to conclude anybody who is against circumcision must be a man who wasn't circumcised. in my experience (around 10 years as a hard core anti-circumcision activist), men who aren't circumcised are the least likely to care about circumcision. after all, it's literally not a factor in their lives at all. they have no reason to care.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 06:41 AM
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somebody else should not get to decide to trade important parts of my body for claimed benefits i don't even believe in. it's wrong to poke holes in any part of your three year old's body. poking holes in his ears is no more ethical than poking holes in his nipples. but cutting off parts of his genitalia is far more devastating both physically and psychologically. leaving my entire penis attached until i'm old enough to choose if i want to get part of it amputated to allegedly slightly reduce my…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 06:39 AM
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do you realize you're talking to circumcised men right now and womansplaining our bodies to us? listen to men. don't speak over us. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUE_t_khAAI
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 06:36 AM
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men in egypt, sudan, and somalia say the same thing about uncircumcised women. https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=3m30s&v=xthJl0848Is
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 06:35 AM
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the cult of american prudishness. In cases of masturbation we must, I believe, break the habit by inducing such a condition of the parts as will cause too much local suffering to allow of the practice being continued. For this purpose, if the prepuce is long, we may circumcise the male patient with present and probably with future advantage; the operation, too, should not be performed under chloroform, so that the pain experienced may be associated with the habit we wish to eradicate. -Athol A. …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 06:34 AM
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the belief that your son isn't entitled to the right to bodily integrity because he happens to be jewish is the epitome of anti-semitism.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 06:34 AM
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The modern practice originated with Judaism to my knowledge, allegedly during the time of Abraham >2,500 years ago (around 500 BCE). you've got a funny definition of modern if you're including something that happened 2,500 years ago. the american practice of circumcision is around 100 years old. that's what most of us mean when we say the modern practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 06:32 AM
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i'm curious, in what real life context would you expect to find out a person feels this way?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 06:31 AM
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orgasm isn't necessary for reproduction. ejaculation is not orgasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 06:30 AM
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genital mutilation is literally the worst thiing anybody has ever done to me. it has impacted my self confidence, my body image, my relationship with my parents, and my relationship with every sexual partner i have ever had, and all for the worse. the vast vast majority of us are genital mutilation survivors who, if we could change one thing about our lives, this would be it. i assume you've heard of female circumcision? you know it's quite normal in some parts of the world, right? none of us go…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 06:20 AM
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my penis is mutilated. i don't want to normalize that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 06:17 AM
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a dozen or so, probably.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 06:15 AM
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circumcision doesn't prevent penile cancer. circumcised men can and do still get penile cancer. https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Penile-tumor-in-an-Israeli-Jewish-patient-who-had-undergone-neonatal-circumcision_fig2_51112946 (NSFW or anybody who doesn't wanna barf) circumcision only prevents cancer on the parts of the penis that were amputated, but you can still get it anywhere else on the parts of a penis you have left. likewise, a woman whose clitoris was cut off as a child cannot get cance…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 06:13 AM
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nobody took their underwear off. anybody who did would have probably been humiliated as some kind of sexual deviant for the rest of their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 06:09 AM
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the opinions of the people on that subreddit are irrelevant to the conversation we're having. the subreddit is populated by anti-circumcision activists.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:53 AM
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it became big after world war 2. numbers peaked in the 1970's, the same time that there was a huge explosion of female doctors entering the field.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:50 AM
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it backfired terribly. that's for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:49 AM
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The father being circumcised is one of the leading factors in parents deciding to circumcise. This has been reported in medical journals. and you don't think that might mean it's what the mom prefers sexually? Do you really think the dads are saying no but the moms are saying yes, and the dads are always losing? always? no. often? i think so. it's happened to numerous male friends of mine. when the parents disagree, doctors usually listen to mom. especially if they aren't married.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:49 AM
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how often are other men even going to see his penis? the only ones who have ever seen mine are physicians.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:46 AM
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it's sadly pretty common. denial is a hell of a drug. https://www.circumstitions.com/adamant.html https://fablesofaesop.com/the-fox-who-lost-his-tail.html
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:46 AM
1

do you know what the word MAY means?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:45 AM
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not if it goes left, right, or down it doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:45 AM
2

sounds to me like she's fighting the exact right person.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:44 AM
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a normal penis is just as clean as a partial one if they've been washed. a normal penis is just as dirty as a partial one if they haven't been washed. if your dick is dirty, you don't need less penis. you just need to wash it. female genitalia produces more smegma than male genitalia does. that's not an excuse to cut parts off of baby girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:44 AM
2

that's really sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:42 AM
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there's nothing extra on a normal penis. circumcision was pushed by both male and female doctors in the 20th century. they said it was to prevent masturbation, premarital sex, rape, and adultery.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:42 AM
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then why are you so determined to defend it?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:41 AM
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you don't think they might be telling you what they think you want to hear?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:40 AM
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and you won't see a single circumcised penis in any of the results you get. not one.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:40 AM
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no, the differences between intact and circumcised become more apparent when erect. the scarring and keratinized glans are emphasized when a circumcised penis is erect.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:39 AM
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if you look at the porn on those other sites, you'll find that most of the men in the porn on those sites still have their entire penis attached.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:39 AM
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most in america, that's for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:37 AM
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a curved penis is often a complication of circumcision.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:35 AM
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that's literally OP's point. that's a double standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:34 AM
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men need to get circumcised for medical reasons as often as women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:34 AM
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So they wouldn’t get bullied and mocked by women read this part again. out loud if you have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:33 AM
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you have no evidence that men have stronger feelings on it more often than women do, tho. you just expect us to trust your gut on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:33 AM
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the foreskin is where most of the pleasure comes from during sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:20 AM
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why does it matter how niche the subreddit is?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:19 AM
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circumcision removes the five most sensitive parts of the penis.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:18 AM
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circumcised women cum just fine every time. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1743609515000582 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17970975/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob3Wf0PKtBM&t=7s https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/female-genital-mutilation-surgery-africa-western-media-404864
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:18 AM
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there are LOTS of complaints about ear piercing. look at mommy groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:17 AM
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OP is about american women. most women aren't american.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:16 AM
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that doesn't help those of us who are 20, 30, 40, or 50 years old.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:15 AM
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because circumcised men's orgasms don't feel anywhere near as good. the idea was that men would be less likely to pursue sex if the reward they get from it is much smaller.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:14 AM
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most users of american porn are american. american porn is the only porn where partial penises are the majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:13 AM
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that's an outright lie. the vast vast majority of porn made outside of america features whole penises. american porn only features amputees because it's what's available on the actors. do you really think most porn is made with what women want to see in mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:13 AM
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I would be willing to bet that way more of those operations happen because the dad is thinking "I wANt HiM To lOoK liKE mE" than a mom thinking she's doing a favor for some future woman that might be his wife or girlfriend. seems very close to 50/50 in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 04:22 AM
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most of them are made by guys who are cut and pissed about it because we know women will recoil when we whip out our mutilated penises. unfortunately there's no way for me to get it undone.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 04:21 AM
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those subreddits display screenshots from elsewhere on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 04:20 AM
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If anything circumcision is normalized that people don't think about it deeply. depends where you live, i suppose. in most of the world. circumcision is extremely abnormal. I have no idea why people even started cutting them. to control male sexuality and keep men chaste and faithful to their wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 04:18 AM
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putting scars on a hairless ant-eater isn't going to make it look any better. if a man said he'd prefer it if you had parts of your vulva trimmed off, would you do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 02:55 AM
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a mutilated penis isn't neater looking. it's scarred looking. are you telling me you don't offer any surgical scars in return?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 02:43 AM
3

which type of female circumcision do you reciprocate?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 02:37 AM
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"how?"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/22 09:02 AM
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sounds a lot like "black on black crime" to me...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/22 09:02 AM
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equal rights.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/22 09:01 AM
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"medical"
/r/MensRights30/12/21 08:33 AM
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not to mention the bit about circumcision increasing your sexual drive? How lol? know when you have an itch that doesn't get satisfied no matter how much you scratch it? how do you usually react?
/r/MensRights29/12/21 09:09 PM
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how many men have you asked?
/r/MensRights24/12/21 07:56 AM
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the area is called "new york city".
/r/MensRights24/12/21 06:08 AM
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i'm confident that the percentage of parents who think they are harming their infant son is 100%. amputating a body part is an obvious harm.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/21 02:51 AM
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100% of parents who have their son circumcised know that they are hurting him. everyone understands that cutting part of somebody's body off hurts him, and they all have to clean the wound multiple times a day for weeks thereafter. do i need to show you screenshots of parents (non-regret parents, mind you) saying how sad and guilty they feel about putting their sons through it? "but it has to be done so he doesn't have a weird dick".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/21 02:41 AM
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anyone who intentionally hurts their child deserves to be shamed for it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/21 02:34 AM
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the UN has no authority to make anything illegal.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/21 10:25 AM
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"surgically scarred genitalia is so hot".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/21 06:56 AM
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let's see them, then.
/r/MensRights09/12/21 06:44 PM
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yeah, studies show it actually backfired. making masturbation less pleasurable actually makes men do it more to try to get some satisfaction.
/r/MensRights09/12/21 06:33 PM
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a study of 5,000 male births is not a "large study" as you previously claimed. it's a 10 year study, so that's an average of 500 births per year. if circumcision had, say, a 10% mortality rate you might find it on a study that tiny, but there's no reason to expect mortality rates anywhere near that high. the 200 babies a year number is equivalent to approximately 1 death per 50,000 circumcisions. i'm sure you see the problem with using a study of 5,000 circumcisions to find a 1-in-50,000 event. …
/r/MensRights09/12/21 10:13 AM
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no, i didn't skip it. the fact that the figure may include overcounting or undercounting does not mean that none of the deaths can be attributed to the surgery.
/r/MensRights09/12/21 10:08 AM
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circumcision is not a medical procedure. there's no such thing as medical need for a religious blood sacrifice.
/r/MensRights09/12/21 04:34 AM
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right back at you, friend.
/r/MensRights09/12/21 04:33 AM
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you're lying.
/r/MensRights09/12/21 04:32 AM
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the AAP doesn't seem to agree: https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/142/1_MeetingAbstract/224
/r/MensRights09/12/21 04:31 AM
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you can blame muhammad for the vast majority of non-jewish circumcision.
/r/MensRights09/12/21 04:30 AM
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no it isn't. slovenia arguably holds that title.
/r/MensRights09/12/21 04:30 AM
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there's no medical reason to circumcise anybody.
/r/MensRights09/12/21 04:30 AM
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"MY PENIS WORKS JUST FINE". denial is a hell of a drug.
/r/MensRights09/12/21 04:29 AM
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In cases of masturbation we must, I believe, break the habit by inducing such a condition of the parts as will cause too much local suffering to allow of the practice being continued. For this purpose, if the prepuce is long, we may circumcise the male patient with present and probably with future advantage; the operation, too, should not be performed under chloroform, so that the pain experienced may be associated with the habit we wish to eradicate. -Athol A. W. Johnson, On An Injurious Habit …
/r/MensRights09/12/21 04:29 AM
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100% useless except for prudes.
/r/MensRights09/12/21 04:28 AM
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find any post in my entire account history where i have ever denied the holocaust. i dare you. circumcision is not jewish in origin. the jews picked it up as a tradition after it was forced on them by the egyptians during their time as slaves. circumcision is egyptian / sudanese in origin.
/r/MensRights06/12/21 09:10 PM
1

Generally this is a decision made by fathers [citation needed].
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 08:32 PM
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we're talking about cutting off the five most sensitive parts of the penis. parts far more sensitive and important than the glans. no circumcised man has a perfectly functioning penis. they all have a 70% to 80% reduction in sensitivity as well as extensive nerve damage and scarring. they all have their primary mechanical function crippled or removed entirely. ultimately it's closer to puncturing your child's eardrums.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 08:28 PM
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somalia has a history of cutting off clitorises that dates back at least 5,000 years. does that mean we should butt out and let them do whatever they want to their daughters?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 10:57 AM
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why don't i deserve a right to choose which cultural practices i want permanently carved into my flesh and which ones i don't? my body doesn't belong to my mother. she shouldn't get to do what she wants with my private parts. child abuse is everyone's business. what gives you the right to meddle with another person's private parts?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 10:56 AM
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if i have a right not to have my body needlessly mutilated, why don't you think it should be illegal for people to needlessly mutilate my body?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 10:55 AM
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what if your son's first male or female sexual partner refuses to put a scarred partial penis in their mouth? surgical scars are objectively unattractive, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 09:28 AM
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the holocaust happened and it was wrong.
/r/MensRights02/12/21 09:05 AM
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i did not call you a liar. we were not talking about the holocaust when i said nobody did anything wrong.
/r/MensRights30/11/21 10:41 PM
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not in reference to the holocaust. i didn't call you any name.
/r/MensRights30/11/21 08:47 PM
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i absolutely never said that. you're lying again.
/r/MensRights30/11/21 08:04 PM
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but i'm not just doing as i was told. there's no guilt here. nobody did anything wrong. i haven't spouted any bigotry. 20th century history is one of my areas of expertise.
/r/MensRights30/11/21 06:45 PM
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guys with partial penises don't last longer in bed. they just feel less pleasure when they have an orgasm.
/r/MensRights30/11/21 05:19 AM
1

that term implies those men have a different sexual orientation because of it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/11/21 03:45 AM
1

no, that's not the nuremberg defense.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 10:39 PM
1

i haven't worked anything down. i'm repeating the same number i've always been told.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 09:33 PM
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conclusions are the subjective opinions of the researchers.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 08:33 PM
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saint paul concluded that circumcision cuts you off from salvation through christ. are you saying nobody should be able to tell me not to get my daughters circumcised? is that also part of raising my children? you didn't want the choice to be there for me.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 08:31 PM
1

"The foreskin of intact men was more sensitive to tactile stimulation than the other penile sites" that study confirms that the foreskin is more sensitive to touch than any other part of the penis.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 08:34 AM
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"The foreskin of intact men was more sensitive to tactile stimulation than the other penile sites" that study confirms that the foreskin is more sensitive to touch than any other part of the penis.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 08:34 AM
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learn how to internet, bro.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 08:33 AM
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leave men alone to choose for their own penises. it's not the family penis.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 08:31 AM
2

yes they are.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 08:31 AM
1

Most studies of circumcision performed on adult men show no harm from the surgery. this is false.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 08:31 AM
1

meissner's corpuscles are predominant in the clitoris.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 08:30 AM
3

r/BlatantMisogyny
/r/MensRights29/11/21 06:09 AM
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the vast vast majority of male genital mutilation is done out of cultural conformity. it's done because it's seen as what's expected in the society. if it suddenly becomes illegal, it's no longer socially expected and the vast vast majority of parents no longer have any desire to do it.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 06:08 AM
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[citation needed].
/r/MensRights29/11/21 03:26 AM
3

who is jake and why should we take his blog seriously?
/r/MensRights29/11/21 03:25 AM
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yes, your blog calls a peer-reviewed study into question. LOL
/r/MensRights29/11/21 03:24 AM
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i've looked. it's not real.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 03:15 AM
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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/326040454_Factors_Associated_With_Early_Deaths_Following_Neonatal_Male_Circumcision_in_the_United_States_2001-2010
/r/MensRights29/11/21 02:40 AM
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you made that up. no such study exists.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 02:40 AM
2

same goes for female circumcision.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 02:30 AM
3

well yeah, but banning it will unfortunately send that stuff underground.
/r/MensRights28/11/21 09:49 PM
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6 million is the number i learned in high school and i've never questioned it. i'm not playing any game.
/r/MensRights28/11/21 09:35 PM
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that's why we should never ban female circumcision.
/r/MensRights28/11/21 10:09 AM
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teach the kid to say "why are you looking so closely at my penis? are you into me or something?" and problem is solved.
/r/MensRights28/11/21 09:26 AM
1

6 million jews died in the holocaust. you're claiming i said things i never said, so you have a duty to provide evidence i said them.
/r/MensRights28/11/21 07:53 AM
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r/GrossCutters
/r/MensRights27/11/21 07:51 PM
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there was never a lack of knowledge with keeping yourself clean.
/r/MensRights25/11/21 07:54 PM
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you mean they bullied him for getting circumcised? are you saying you want her to circumcise her son so he gets bullied?
/r/MensRights25/11/21 06:07 PM
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circumcision is no less of a painful nightmare at birth than at age 16, and circumcised boys are no less likely to get repeated infections than guys with whole penises are. if you mutilate your son's penis, you run the risk of him never speaking to you again. r/CircumcisionGrief
/r/MensRights25/11/21 06:06 PM
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and all parents should definitely teach their child that, if you get teased, the solution is to change yourself to be the way the bullies want you to be.
/r/MensRights25/11/21 06:05 PM
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at all points in time.
/r/MensRights25/11/21 06:04 PM
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show her this: http://www.cirp.org/library/cultural/maimonides/ see if she can really argue with the rambam.
/r/MensRights25/11/21 06:04 PM
1

can you provide some quotes then? can you link to some of those comments?
/r/MensRights24/11/21 08:22 PM
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that's a myth. circumcised women have no difficulty orgasming. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1743609515000582 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17970975/ https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/female-genital-mutilation-surgery-africa-western-media-404864
/r/MensRights24/11/21 06:53 AM
5

the clitoral hood isn't the most sensitive part of the female genitalia. male circumcision fully excises the most sensitive part of the male genitalia.
/r/MensRights24/11/21 03:19 AM
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In some cases the entire clitoris is removed. how is that any worse than removing the entire foreskin? the vagina still 'works' after the clitoris is excised.
/r/MensRights24/11/21 03:11 AM
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because you're opposing men's rights.
/r/MensRights24/11/21 01:02 AM
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no form of female circumcision removes the entire clitoris. even the most extreme forms only remove the external nub. circumcised women have reproductive organs that work as well as circumcised men do. they still get aroused, get pregnant, and give birth.
/r/MensRights24/11/21 01:01 AM
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how much of your penis could somebody remove before you'd care? less penis = less to clean, right? r/foreskin_restoration has guys who care so much we're trying to reverse it.
/r/MensRights24/11/21 01:00 AM
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and you can never get your youth back.
/r/MensRights24/11/21 12:59 AM
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you lose 100% of the feeling in the parts that get amputated. those are also the most sensitive parts.
/r/MensRights24/11/21 12:59 AM
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you must be confusing me with somebody else. i did not argue down the death toll a single time.
/r/MensRights24/11/21 12:18 AM
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i've never argued the death toll down.
/r/MensRights22/11/21 08:45 PM
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let's see how long it lasts.
/r/MensRights18/11/21 09:42 PM
2

a million times this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/21 08:03 AM
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well, i mean, strictly speaking: there is something wrong with my body. very important parts of my penis were crushed and removed, and the ones i have left are scarred and nerve damaged.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/21 08:02 AM
2

i know women who refuse to sleep with circumcised men, either because it's painful or because it just doesn't get them off.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/21 08:02 AM
2

that sounds a lot like "black on black crime" to dismiss BLM.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/11/21 11:29 PM
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in indonesia, malaysia, and singapore, they circumcise little girls at birth. they'll never remember the procedure. they say there are several health benefits to female circumcision such as decreased risk of urinary tract infections, decreased risk of sexually transmitted diseases, easier to clean, prevention of vaginal problems. there are 4 different styles of MGM: type 1: high and tight type 2: low and tight type 3: high and loose type 4: low and loose the procedure can cause medical complicat…
/r/MensRights15/11/21 10:53 AM
3

how are you defining tip of penis? what part of your foreskin?
/r/MensRights15/11/21 08:21 AM
5

if you remove the entire penis, you eliminate the risk of all penis-related medical issues.
/r/MensRights13/11/21 09:54 PM
6

then why haven't you gotten circumcised?
/r/MensRights13/11/21 09:30 PM
5

don't forget there's little to no risk in having a circumcised penis other than during the procedure you lose 70% to 80% of the pleasure you experience during sex. also overwhelmingly preferred aesthetically. [citation needed]. less skin = more tightness.
/r/MensRights13/11/21 09:29 PM
2

thing is, which is the cause and which is the effect? remember that no two circumcisions are identical and they all come with different degrees of permanent nerve damage.
/r/Male_Studies13/11/21 06:19 PM
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no, it says 20%. “One cannot say that this is something that causes trouble only occasionally. We must assume, based on rigorous clinical studies in the US, Iran, and other countries, that somewhere between 5 and 20 per cent of circumcised boys will eventually develop a pathological narrowing of the urinary opening as a late consequence of their circumcision,”
/r/MensRights12/11/21 02:13 AM
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it's a fact. infant circumcision has an incidence of meatal stenosis around 20%. that's one in five babies: https://sciencenordic.com/childrens-health-circumcision-denmark/male-circumcision-greatly-increases-risk-of-urinary-tract-problems/1441376
/r/MensRights12/11/21 12:15 AM
1

the mod went through and deleted a lot of the really bad ones.
/r/MensRights11/11/21 10:40 PM
1

all of those same complications apply to circumcision at similar or higher rates.
/r/MensRights11/11/21 10:23 PM
1

removing the foreskin is worse than removing the glans. the glans is the least sensitive part of the penis.
/r/MensRights11/11/21 10:22 PM
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if i could trade my glans to get my foreskin back, i'd gladly do it. the foreskin is fifteen square inches of erogenous tissue, not 3-4cm. it's bigger than the palm of your hand or the cheek of your face. it's not just about the size, though. the foreskin is the MOST sensitive part and the glans is the LEAST sensitive part.
/r/MensRights11/11/21 07:11 PM
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if you've never heard us complain, it's because you're not listening. https://www.cc.com/video/tcki7e/tosh-0-cewebrity-profile-brother-k http://tlc.discovery.com/videos/strangesex-seeking-sensation.html https://www.sho.com/penn-and-teller-bullshit/season/3/episode/1/circumcision https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCSWbTv3hng https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9_ZOCVtWTI every circumcision results in disfiguring surgical scars, disfiguring glans keratinization, and disfiguring missing parts. every cir…
/r/MensRights11/11/21 09:54 AM
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no, the genital mutilation is the underlying issue. the fact that some men are willing to lower their standards and be content with a smaller and less sensitive penis does nothing to diminish the suffering of men who aren't willing to lower their standards like that. any man who mutilates the genitals of a young boy is the enemy of men's rights.
/r/MensRights11/11/21 09:51 AM
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it's amazing that you actually think you'd get any kind of penis attached.
/r/MensRights11/11/21 09:10 AM
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their mental illness was caused by genital mutilation.
/r/MensRights11/11/21 09:08 AM
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it is a perfectly normal reaction to having your genitals mutilated. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-47292307 https://www.queerty.com/leading-voice-circumcision-jonathon-conte-found-dead-34-20160520 https://intaction.org/kevin-cagle-circumcision-suicide/ We live in a world now where people become suicidal for being called the wrong pronoun by a stranger. nonsense.
/r/MensRights11/11/21 08:16 AM
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good luck with that.
/r/MensRights11/11/21 08:14 AM
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you didn't answer the question. how much of your penis could somebody cut off before it would cause you psychological problems?
/r/MensRights11/11/21 08:00 AM
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there was a lady (or fake lady profile) on there gaslighting him hardcore. i think it was deleted for his own good.
/r/MensRights11/11/21 07:15 AM
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how much of your penis could somebody cut off before it would cause you psychological problems? genital mutilation causes serious mental issues.
/r/MensRights11/11/21 07:14 AM
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it went as intended and left him disfigured. each and every circumcision leaves the victim disfigured with surgical scars, a keratinized glans, and missing penis parts. genital mutilation is the underlying mental issue.
/r/MensRights11/11/21 07:14 AM
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circumcised women still can and do have orgasms. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1743609515000582 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17970975/ https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/female-genital-mutilation-surgery-africa-western-media-404864
/r/MensRights11/11/21 07:12 AM
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it's a rare cancer, but circumcision doubles your risk of getting that rare cancer. the guy i was replying to claimed that circumcision prevents that cancer.
/r/MensRights11/11/21 04:53 AM
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you're wrong. the reason for doing it is the same. In cases of masturbation we must, I believe, break the habit by inducing such a condition of the parts as will cause too much local suffering to allow of the practice being continued. For this purpose, if the prepuce is long, we may circumcise the male patient with present and probably with future advantage; the operation, too, should not be performed under chloroform, so that the pain experienced may be associated with the habit we wish to erad…
/r/MensRights11/11/21 04:30 AM
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and i'm happy i'm an adult and no longer have to deal with parents like you in real life anymore, either. your son might feel the same way when he turns 18.
/r/MensRights11/11/21 04:27 AM
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one of the purposes of the foreskin is to keep fecal matter out of his urinary tract, so he's really lucky you took that away from him.
/r/MensRights11/11/21 04:20 AM
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cutting off part of his penis doesn't make hygiene any easier. you shouldn't have gotten to force your choices on another human being.
/r/MensRights11/11/21 04:17 AM
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there are no hygiene or health purposes for cutting off part of a child's penis. it also has nothing to do with being able to tell when you need to use the bathroom. circumcised men have twice the risk of cancer. https://www.healio.com/news/infectious-disease/20170519/circumcised-men-at-twice-the-risk-for-cancercausing-hpv-study-shows
/r/MensRights11/11/21 04:09 AM
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in all cases, it makes a man's orgasm 70% to 80% less pleasurable. who told you female circumcision is intended to impact a woman's ability to orgasm? if that were the intent, it's laughably ineffective at it: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17970975/ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1743609515000582 i don't know where one would find those statistics, but i search facebook every day for "it's a boy" and message the parents telling them not to mutilate their son, and "i'd ne…
/r/MensRights11/11/21 04:03 AM
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that's my point. we were never ever talking about removing the whole penis.
/r/MensRights11/11/21 03:38 AM
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if i was in the UK, i'd probably still have my whole penis.
/r/MensRights11/11/21 03:34 AM
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not just america: https://www.haaretz.com/even-in-israel-more-and-more-parents-choose-not-to-circumcise-1.5178506
/r/MensRights11/11/21 03:34 AM
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if the most sensitive part of my penis is still attached, i haven't been castrated.
/r/MensRights11/11/21 03:31 AM
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no, i have not been implying any such thing.
/r/MensRights11/11/21 03:24 AM
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the foreskin is the most sensitive part of the penis itself. i'm a man who had a "successful" circumcision, according to my parents and doctors. i would prefer if they'd left the most sensitive part of my penis and only removed less sensitive parts. a circumcised man doesn't still have his penis. he only has the less sensitive parts of a penis.
/r/MensRights11/11/21 03:15 AM
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a LOT of american parents say they circumcise their son because women find the foreskin to be gross. a LOT. the penis is self-cleaning using the same process as the vagina: a bacterial microbiome. the vulva is not the vagina, tho.
/r/MensRights11/11/21 03:06 AM
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because the foreskin is the MOST SENSITIVE PART OF THE PENIS. i'd much rather have sexually unimportant parts of my penis removed as long as i get to keep the sexually important part.
/r/MensRights11/11/21 02:37 AM
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the reasons for MGM and FGM are identical. MGM is no more "medical" than FGM is. they make the exact same excuses about cleanliness and lack of antiseptics to justify it. https://islamqa.info/en/answers/45528/medical-benefits-of-female-circumcision there is no culture anywhere in the world that genitally mutilates females but not males. those cultures give the same reasons for MGM and FGM. they are done at the same ages, by the same people, for the same reasons, under the same conditions, and us…
/r/MensRights11/11/21 02:31 AM
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you're lying. i never said anything of the sort. i type in all lowercase.
/r/MensRights11/11/21 01:31 AM
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do you know who brian morris is? why would you trust him to make unbiased determinations of which studies are the highest quality ones? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdGbXdEo93U
/r/MensRights10/11/21 10:22 PM
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this is an outright lie. the holocaust happened as it exists in the history books.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 10:21 PM
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i can compare circumcision to removal of the glans. the glans is the least sensitive part of the penis, so removing the glans is far less damaging.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 10:14 PM
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most genital mutilation takes place in the third world and is not performed by doctors. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/25/male-circumcision-ceremonies-death-deformity-africa
/r/MensRights10/11/21 11:48 AM
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it does, tho. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17378847/ do you know who the author of the paper you linked to is? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdGbXdEo93U why would i trust a self-described "circumsexual" to tell me what the "highest quality" studies are?
/r/MensRights10/11/21 11:45 AM
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circumcision makes sex 70% to 80% less pleasurable. it cuts off the most sensitive parts of your genitalia.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 11:32 AM
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i have peer-reviewed medical studies. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8800902/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23374102/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21672947
/r/MensRights10/11/21 10:07 AM
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that's all true for circumcision too. where's your evidence men without a glans "no more have a sexual function"?
/r/MensRights10/11/21 10:00 AM
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many admit that's what they're thinking.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 08:52 AM
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If someone cuts a man's glans he will no more have a sexual function [citation needed]. these men still have sexual function. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4514486/
/r/MensRights10/11/21 08:28 AM
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clitoris. it functions as the primary erogenous zone, just like the foreskin does.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 05:54 AM
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that's not the same article. that's a completely different article written by a pro-circumcision activist.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 05:19 AM
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the foreskin and the clitoris have the same function, tho. it's an equal comparison.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 05:18 AM
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nerve endings have nothing to do with being horny. being horny happens in your brain.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 05:18 AM
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the foreskin is where most of the sensitive nerve endings are. that's why they remove that part.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 03:35 AM
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it's fully eliminated. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21883821/ getting hard isn't the one and only function of the penis.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 03:32 AM
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a circumcised penis isn't fully functional anymore either. it's supposed to have parts that move to stimulate the vagina during sex. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxFV4Fy7i7g the bulbocavernosus reflex is also usually eliminated.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 03:06 AM
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how much of a little girl's genitals should i be able to take off, then?
/r/MensRights10/11/21 02:59 AM
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there are peer-reviewed journals showing circumcision increases STD risk. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34564796/
/r/MensRights10/11/21 02:57 AM
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there are health benefits to clitoral excision, too. does that mean it's not mutilation? https://web.archive.org/web/20130417020935/http://www.iasociety.org/Default.aspx?pageId=11&abstractId=2177677
/r/MensRights10/11/21 02:56 AM
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what if i can prove my pagan text says i need to sacrifice your children to moloch? one person's right to the free exercise of religion ends where another person's body begins. if it's not your penis, you have no right to mutilate it.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 02:52 AM
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the glans is less sensitive than the "body" or "base" of the penis. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17378847/ yes, it would be less crippling to remove the least sensitive parts of the penis than it is to remove the most sensitive parts of the penis. a superficial cut on somebody's face has no impact on their sensitivity or sexual function. you aren't making sense.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 02:39 AM
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wait, uh, if their parents wanted them circumcised, surely it happened before they had any sexual experience, no? if they have no experience to compare with, how would they know how much sensation they've lost? infibulated women still can and do give birth. look at egyptian population growth rates.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 02:37 AM
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the glans is the least sensitive part of the penis. removing the glans would be a far less damaging form of male genital mutilation compared to circumcision. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17378847/
/r/MensRights10/11/21 02:35 AM
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it's a scientific fact. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17378847/
/r/MensRights10/11/21 01:27 AM
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both male and female circumcision are the total or partial removal of the external genitalia. the glans is the least sensitive part of the penis. removing it would be less crippling than circumcision.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 01:25 AM
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the tip of the foreskin is more sensitive than the frenulum is for most guys. infant circumcision always removes most of the frenulum and often removes all of the frenulum. were your friends circumcised for medical problems? no, circumcised women with all types of female circumcision have functional genitalia.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 01:24 AM
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just like male circumcision, which removes the most sensitive part of the penis.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 01:14 AM
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one person cannot be given a right to mutilate another person's genitalia.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 01:07 AM
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Technically and medically you cannot compare female genital mutilation and circumcision of course you can.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 01:07 AM
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the clitoral hood is not the most sensitive part of the female genitalia.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 01:06 AM
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/moral-landscapes/201501/circumcision-s-psychological-damage https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33299934/
/r/MensRights10/11/21 01:06 AM
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every circumcision is an injury. every one prevented results in less injury.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 01:05 AM
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sunni islam asks for FGM. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_female_genital_mutilation#Sunni_view
/r/MensRights10/11/21 01:04 AM
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nobody has to sexually abuse a child.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 01:03 AM
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why?
/r/MensRights10/11/21 01:03 AM
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the same way we police if they want to sexually abuse him in other ways. it's not up to his parents to decide how much penis he keeps.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 01:02 AM
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because they force it on us when we're too small to physically defend ourselves.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 01:00 AM
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removing the clitoris has been a practice since a long time and was done to keep the health of the girl.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 12:59 AM
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those same religions say to remove the clitoris. guess that must mean there's a good reason for it.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 12:59 AM
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men have a right to keep our entire penises.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 12:58 AM
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what if a newborn's parents decide she doesn't have a right to thumbs?
/r/MensRights09/11/21 09:32 PM
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the catholic church has forbidden circumcision. https://catholicism.org/cantate-domino.html
/r/MensRights09/11/21 08:27 PM
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female circumcision has been a cultural tradition in egypt for 15,000 years.
/r/MensRights09/11/21 08:27 PM
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the overwhelming majority of egyptians circumcise their daughter. that makes it normal and mainstream.
/r/MensRights09/11/21 08:27 PM
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i personally support the chemical castration of anyone who supports child circumcision, as it's a form of pedophilia.
/r/MensRights09/11/21 08:26 PM
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"his penis, my choice".
/r/MensRights09/11/21 08:25 PM
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penetration of a person's genital opening without that person's consent is aggravated sexual assault with an object. there is no gap because circumcision is sexual assault.
/r/MensRights09/11/21 08:24 PM
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you're wrong. the UN Declaration of Human Rights guarantees a right to bodily integrity. genital mutilation violates this right.
/r/MensRights09/11/21 08:23 PM
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so we can choose how many fingers and toes you get to keep at 2 days old? how many adult men are there who regret being forced to eat veggies as a child?
/r/MensRights09/11/21 08:21 PM
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it's not a personal choice when one individual violently forces it on another individual. solutions to what?
/r/MensRights09/11/21 08:21 PM
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it's a personal choice for parents to decide if their daughter gets to keep her clitoris or not.
/r/MensRights09/11/21 08:20 PM
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isn't it beneficial to stop girls from masturbating?
/r/MensRights09/11/21 08:19 PM
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FGM has been done for millennia and has just as much evidence of benefits when it comes to health and hygiene.
/r/MensRights09/11/21 08:19 PM
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“ I want my son to have access to the kind of sex he wants when he grows up” “unless he wants the kind of sex where he isn't missing 70% of the feeling in his penis."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/21 08:03 AM
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her heart's not involved. she's thinking with her little clit head.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/21 08:01 AM
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the WHO only recommends voluntary adult circumcision for heterosexual men in nations with HIV epidemics and low circumcision rates.
/r/MensRights09/11/21 12:25 AM
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there's not one national medical organization in the world that recommends infant circumcision.
/r/MensRights09/11/21 12:25 AM
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no, the medical community agrees that the harms of circumcision outweigh any benefits it might have. the only outliers are american medical organizations who are subject to cultural biases and ethnocentrism.
/r/MensRights09/11/21 12:09 AM
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the CDC is part of the american healthcare system, which is ranked 37th best in the world. why would we listen to the CDC over better ranked healthcare systems like the ones in europe?
/r/MensRights09/11/21 12:08 AM
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they're already protected by law tho.
/r/MensRights08/11/21 11:27 PM
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tell her that's why you support mandatory breast enlargement. men prefer big breasts.
/r/MensRights08/11/21 11:27 PM
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how did she know you were going to be straight?
/r/MensRights08/11/21 11:26 PM
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i'd be happy to help you out with that if you know any genies.
/r/AntiFeminists07/11/21 03:32 AM
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well i'd gladly trade with you if it were possible. i haven't even seen a doctor in my adult life because they completely lost my trust. men get attacked and raped when alone at night, too. we get followed home. we get ridiculed when we say we're upset about being genital mutilation victims. i find it hard to believe you'd give up your clitoris for that, but i'll try to take your word for it.
/r/AntiFeminists07/11/21 03:27 AM
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so are you ready to eat crow and admit you have more rights yet? are you ready to admit that male genital mutilation is fully legal everywhere on earth whereas female circumcision is a crime in most of the world?
/r/AntiFeminists07/11/21 03:17 AM
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that says PROPOSED bill. it says the bill WOULD make iceland the first european country to ban it. the bill never passed.
/r/AntiFeminists07/11/21 03:14 AM
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no, a simple google search tells me it's legal in iceland. https://www.newsweek.com/icelands-jews-beat-church-taxes-circumcision-ban-now-they-even-have-rabbi-1631954
/r/AntiFeminists07/11/21 03:07 AM
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no, male genital mutilation is legal in each and ever nation worldwide. do you live in a country where female circumcision is legal? if not, you have more rights than i do.
/r/AntiFeminists07/11/21 03:04 AM
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female circumcision is against the law in america. you have a law that protects you from it. you have a right to not have your genitals mutilated. i do not.
/r/AntiFeminists07/11/21 02:59 AM
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so you admit that you have rights we don't have?
/r/AntiFeminists06/11/21 11:02 PM
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we also get shamed, belittled, and laughed at if we say we're upset that our genitals were mutilated as infants. even by our own parents. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfnxjzY1tEo
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/21 09:42 AM
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You can go online and find lots of girls saying the prefer the look of circumcised penises. you know you're in r/MensRights, don't you? "we cut up your penis because women prefer it" doesn't really fly as an argument here.
/r/MensRights29/10/21 09:33 AM
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these guys say the orgasms aren't anywhere near as good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj_nYcumC0c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AaUb63NLLw
/r/MensRights29/10/21 09:32 AM
1

according to the most influential rabbi of all time, it exists to deprive men of sexual pleasure. http://www.cirp.org/library/cultural/maimonides/
/r/MensRights28/10/21 06:01 AM
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it doesn't matter if it's a tradition. it's a tradition that exists for the explicit purpose of harming and oppressing men. it's not stupid, it's malicious.
/r/MensRights28/10/21 05:48 AM
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ownership of another person goes against the thirteenth amendment.
/r/MensRights28/10/21 01:24 AM
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Point 2 is dubious at best since the practice has been in place long before modern feminism. It’s not the feminists fault that you got circumcised. If you’ve got a problem with circumcision you’re more than welcome to do something productive about it. You’d probably find many feminists supporting you too. actually, the timing of the practice of circumcision in america coincides almost perfectly with first wave feminism. that's not to say that either one necessarily caused the other, but your tim…
/r/MensRights27/10/21 06:40 PM
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there's a reason you have to put the word "female" before the word "circumcision", tho. overall, "circumcision" is largely genital mutilation that is forced on males.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 06:07 PM
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your comments speak for themselves. i don't need to say another word.
/r/AntiFeminists25/10/21 12:54 AM
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and i'm gonna go out on a limb and say you've never had empathy. the cognizance gap in your statements is too large to be otherwise.
/r/AntiFeminists25/10/21 12:50 AM
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In re the studies, while there is a correlation and possible causal relationship, the studies do not pinpoint exactly what the causal connection is and may be due to reduced sexual enjoyment. no, the studies carefully controlled for both number of sexual partners and frequency of sexual intercourse. read them again. Meanwhile, parents make medical decisions for their infant children all the time. To question such a right for parents to make medical decisions on the basis of healthcare is to ques…
/r/AntiFeminists25/10/21 12:18 AM
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"some evidence". there are studies showing female circumcision may offer similar benefits. https://web.archive.org/web/20130417020935/http://www.iasociety.org/Default.aspx?pageId=11&abstractId=2177677 https://scholarworks.gsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1113&context=iph_theses whether you believe in the benefits or not, don't men and women still deserve the right to choose for themselves? because it sounds like you're basically saying "i'm taking away normal and valuable parts of your body b…
/r/AntiFeminists24/10/21 11:27 PM
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sexual pleasure and orgasm are two different things. circumcised women can and do continue to have orgasms, anyway. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1743609515000582 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17970975/ 80% of the nerve endings in the penis are in the foreskin.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 05:33 PM
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how do you expect him to know he wasn't born that way? yes, i'm telling you i've spend the last 8 years of my life doing r/foreskin_restoration to undo as much of the damage as possible. circumcision removes the five most sensitive parts of the penis and makes orgasms 70% to 80% less pleasurable. many of us also consider the surgical scars to be disfiguring. check out the sub. there's 20,000 other guys on there doing the same thing.
/r/MensRights20/10/21 03:02 AM
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"i didn't murder my wife, i paid good money to have it done for me". i'm actually impressed you told him. my parents never told me and they were clearly hoping i'd never find out.
/r/MensRights19/10/21 10:07 PM
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does he know you cut part of his penis off yet? how old was he when you told him?
/r/MensRights19/10/21 04:47 PM
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what if he doesn't like having part of his penis missing?
/r/MensRights18/10/21 04:21 AM
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it is the point. in countries where men get circumcised, it's to deprive them of sexual pleasure. they think it will keep the men from cheating. this is something that is done to men at far higher rates than it is done to women. http://www.cirp.org/library/cultural/maimonides/ circumcised women still can and do have orgasms. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1743609515000582 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17970975/
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/21 09:33 PM
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it shows that you understand circumcision is typically a thing being done to males.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/21 09:05 PM
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why can't he watch cartoons with big tits while procreating?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/21 03:35 AM
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the fact that you felt the need to put the word "female" before circumcision is a bit telling, don't you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/21 03:35 AM
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sure, but good luck convincing them of that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/21 03:02 AM
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i don't understand the point you're trying to make.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/21 02:50 AM
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they literally flew to philadelphia from california to do this.
/r/MensRights14/10/21 07:56 PM
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there is no correct way to mutilate a penis. circumcision always removes the most sensitive parts of the male genitalia.
/r/MensRights14/10/21 07:53 PM
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there is no evidence that any form of FGM has any impact on a woman's capacity for sexual desire. there is no form of FGM that is capable of totally ending a woman's capacity for sexual pleasure. circumcised women still can and do have orgasms. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1743609515000582 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17970975/ both male and female circumcision are intended to diminish the victim's capacity to experience sexual pleasure as much as possible without re…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 04:31 AM
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a small group of doctors looked at a bunch of other studies. circumcision was practiced in ancient times to control men's sexuality. in the age before antibiotics, putting a medically unnecessary surgical wound on a child's genitals where it will regularly come into contact with fecal bacteria was asking for him to die of sepsis. yes you did absolutely say that. here's your exact quote: "You can talk about moisture all you want but the data is just not there; after the healing process circumcisi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/21 06:44 PM
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ancient egypt is an african tribe. they forced it on the jews when they were slaves in egypt, and jews just got used to it. it was spread to the pacific islands by muslims thousands of years later. australian aborigines practice subincision which is, well, a little different. how is an adult penis more "complicated" than a child's? more developed meaning what, bigger? why would that matter? it's not accurate to say that babies don't need stitches. the typical infant circumcision techniques use a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/21 05:49 PM
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circumcision appeared in multiple separate ancient cultures no it didn't. Men being forced/pressured to have them at 14 though is absolutely brutal; it's a really REALLY panful and traumatizing experience as an adult it's no less painful or traumatizing as an infant.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/21 05:27 PM
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what do you mean "all of these organizations"? you posted links to two different studies by two small groups of doctors. the first one found that, for ever 111 circumcisions performed, they can prevent one UTI. UTIs are easily cured with a course of antibiotics. i don't know about you, but i'd rather have a slightly higher risk of needing to take antibiotics for a week than have the most sensitive parts of my penis cut off. the second one was all about reducing national healthcare spending. that…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/21 05:25 PM
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give her time to think and process.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/21 11:17 PM
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cognitive dissonance. are you aware that the vast majority of circumcised women are also highly supportive of the practice? when your culture tells you that something is normal and beneficial and your parents who say they love you did it to you as a baby, it's really hard to look at it objectively. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3134892/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/04/female-genital-mutilation-cutting-anthropologist/389640/ pressure from the united states…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/21 09:37 PM
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it's a tour.
/r/MensRights08/10/21 10:37 PM
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oh, i guess my brain auto-corrected it because i knew what he meant. my bad.
/r/MensRights08/10/21 10:11 PM
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how does that make the title false and misleading? circumcision is super super rare in europe.
/r/MensRights08/10/21 09:58 PM
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the surgical wound from circumcision takes six months to a year for full healing. the american healthcare system is ranked #37 globally, one slot above cuba. countries with better ranked healthcare systems have the doctors condemning circumcision and calling for a ban.
/r/MensRights07/10/21 04:48 PM
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the bloodstained men are currently on tour. https://www.bloodstainedmen.com/about-us/events/
/r/MensRights07/10/21 03:27 PM
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i think punching a newborn baby is far less violent and far less damaging than mutilating his or her genitalia. millions and millions of people have been molested as children all over the world. most of them turned out fine. that doesn't justify what their parents did to them.
/r/MensRights07/10/21 03:26 PM
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circumcision is not a medical procedure and cannot ever be required. i don't think that means it's "botched", though.
/r/MensRights06/10/21 05:47 PM
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i don't know that that's really true. if somebody intends to poke your eye out and they successfully poke your eye out, was the blinding "botched"?
/r/MensRights06/10/21 09:17 AM
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why do you think you'd be insecure about having a whole penis with no missing parts? have you ever been ashamed about having a glans? or about having two testicles?
/r/MensRights06/10/21 12:04 AM
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how would you know?
/r/MensRights06/10/21 12:01 AM
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actually, he does address all of those things, but he does so in a very subtle way that gets the reader to think and come to those conclusions themselves. it's genius.
/r/MensRights06/10/21 12:00 AM
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i see the reverse all the time, too. where somebody will be told that piercing their daughter's ears is mutilation and they'll be like "so do you think circumcising your son is mutilation, too?" and they're REALLY not expecting you to say yes. the older i get, the more it seems like most people truly don't think for themselves and they just blindly follow the herd. https://intersol.ca/news/organizational-culture-and-the-5-monkeys-experiment/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/21 11:26 PM
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do you understand that the forcible penetration of somebody's genital opening without their consent meets the legal definition of aggravated sexual assault with an object? are you aware that penetration occurs as the first step of a circumcision, and that the aggravated sexual assault with an object is then followed with permanent physical damage?
/r/AntiFeminists05/10/21 05:00 PM
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the nerves are severed and removed, just like they are when somebody cuts off your arm or leg. you can't read braille with your arm stump. the nerves are removed. no, orgasm is not a threshold mechanism. different orgasms are dramatically different in intensity as a direct result of different nerve stimulation. i don't know where you got the idea that there are only three nerves, but you're off by many orders of magnitude.
/r/MensRights05/10/21 10:12 AM
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circumcision does not make the skin more robust. circumcision increases the friction of intercourse and it also increases the tension on the penile tissue. both of these facts make micro-tears significantly more common on circumcised penises. this increases the risk of contracting HIV.
/r/MensRights05/10/21 09:47 AM
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exactly.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/21 09:16 AM
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yes, it does discredit his research results. the only actual studies he has ever conducted are on the subject of hypertension. when it comes to circumcision, his research consists of literature reviews. how it works is he finds studies that were conducted by other people. he then ranks which of those studies he considers "high quality" (and, surprise surprise, he always decides the pro-circumcision studies are "high quality") and which of those studies he considers low quality (and, again, you c…
/r/MensRights05/10/21 09:15 AM
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yes, they think we're making a mockery of bodily autonomy by pretending to care about something ridiculous. they think that linking the two issues will convince people that bodily autonomy is a joke.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/21 09:10 AM
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every nerve bundle in your body is CONNECTED to the spinal cord. when the nerve bundle is cut off, that connection gets severed. the foreskin that's no longer attached to your body can no longer send signals to your spinal cord. the nerve cannot fire anymore. the penis has 24,000 nerves, and 20,000 of them are removed in circumcision. men who have been circumcised as adults report a drastic difference on the intensity and duration of their orgasms afterwards. as in what was a 10 out of 10 is now…
/r/MensRights05/10/21 09:06 AM
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jesus christ, grow a backbone, dude. you're 33 years old. you don't need to be afraid of mommy and daddy anymore. they can't spank you or send you to bed with out supper for being a bad boy.
/r/AntiFeminists05/10/21 06:55 AM
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are they no longer responsible for other choices they made 33 years ago, too?
/r/AntiFeminists05/10/21 06:54 AM
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in the US, the rate is closer to 85%. it's a third globally.
/r/MensRights05/10/21 06:52 AM
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did you notice that was a wikipedia edit that happened THIS AFTERNOON? did you do that yourself while you were replying to this post? LOL
/r/MensRights05/10/21 06:30 AM
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the nerve bundles themselves are indeed removed. the nerve bundles are in the foreskin, and they get crushed and amputated along with the rest of the foreskin.
/r/MensRights05/10/21 06:20 AM
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brian morris is a self-described "circumsexual" and the foremost pro-circumcision activist on the planet. https://en.intactiwiki.org/wiki/Brian_J._Morris
/r/MensRights05/10/21 06:19 AM
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no, cutting off part of your penis does not have any health benefits. circumcision has no impact on a man's risk of HIV or any other STD. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34551593/ it's lunacy to think cutting off part of your protection would protect you from AIDS. can you even explain how that would be biologically possible?
/r/MensRights05/10/21 06:18 AM
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female circumcision is a tradition for many ethnic groups and sects of islam, but that doesn't seem to be a sufficient basis for governments to permit it to happen. every circumcised penis is dysfunctional.
/r/MensRights05/10/21 06:17 AM
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considering the clitoris has less than half as many nerve endings as the foreskin does, you'd have to remove TWO clitorises from a woman in order for it to be comparable.
/r/MensRights05/10/21 06:16 AM
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circumcision is done to attenuate men's sex drives and make us less sex driven and more docile. the UK has the highest circumcision rate in europe. in most of europe, the rates are 3% to 4%, and the boys being circumcised are exclusively muslims and jews. america is one of the very few nations where circumcision happens for non-medical reasons.
/r/MensRights05/10/21 06:15 AM
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this is the only time in my 40 years on this earth that i can remember it showing up in the mainstream press: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/andrew-yang-circumcision-809954/
/r/MensRights05/10/21 06:14 AM
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yeah, those surgical scars really give it a lot of character. are you aware that the foreskin is by far the most sexually sensitive part of the male body?
/r/MensRights05/10/21 06:14 AM
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it was in a private group on facebook.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 10:18 PM
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they also legit told me that the best way to get circumcision banned is to convince women that it makes sex less enjoyable FOR THEM, and that the "true purpose" of the foreskin is female pleasure.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 09:28 PM
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they think we're trying to make the idea of bodily autonomy look ridiculous. they think nobody could ACTUALLY be against the circumcision of infant boys, and if we can link women's bodily autonomy to something nobody reasonable would take seriously, then nobody will take women's bodily autonomy seriously either.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 08:59 PM
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two of them told me that yesterday alone. one of them literally didn't believe me when i told her i'm a card-carrying NARAL member who volunteers for planned parenthood. i've had others say it various times throughout the 10 or so years i've been an intactivist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 08:51 PM
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they don't just write it off, they tell us that we don't actually care about it and we're just pretending to care about it in an attempt to take away their rights.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 08:29 PM
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aren't alts against reddit TOS?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 08:29 PM
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this is the way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 08:28 PM
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i still generally identify that way but they're certainly driving me out. especially when they immediately assume that because i'm anti-circumcision i must really be anti-choice and i'm just pretending to oppose circumcision as a trojan horse to take away abortion rights. i mean, what?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 08:27 PM
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they're both better than menslib.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 08:26 PM
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there are a number of women who protest with the BSM pretty regularly.
/r/MensRights04/10/21 07:26 AM
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but recent studies in america, canada, and europe show that circumcised men have the same risk of HIV as intact men.
/r/MensRights04/10/21 06:04 AM
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less than 1% of circumcised men are jewish. more than 70% of circumcised men are muslim. islam is clearly the leading cause today regardless of the history.
/r/AntiFeminists02/10/21 07:38 PM
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you can have knowledge of a subject without being a medical professional.
/r/AntiFeminists02/10/21 07:07 PM
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how is it a strawman? why is it okay for them to remove some parts of your body but not others?
/r/AntiFeminists01/10/21 02:19 AM
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would you feel the same way if they'd removed your testicles?
/r/AntiFeminists01/10/21 01:51 AM
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that's a non sequitur. it doesn't mean i have a reason to lie. i'm here writing these comments because it's true.
/r/AntiFeminists30/09/21 10:37 PM
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love your username, by the way. i remember that commercial bumper.
/r/AntiFeminists30/09/21 08:58 PM
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what reason would i have to want to provide that evidence, though? the only reason is because of the negative effects i suffer from infant genital mutilation. otherwise i wouldn't care.
/r/AntiFeminists30/09/21 08:57 PM
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i have no reason to lie about it.
/r/AntiFeminists30/09/21 08:32 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/antifeminists/comments/pyekcd/comment/heu7ble/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
/r/AntiFeminists30/09/21 08:32 PM
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and i can say you're making it up about rape victims. it can't be proven for them, either.
/r/AntiFeminists30/09/21 08:26 PM
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I never said it’s impossible to make that argument you did, tho.
/r/AntiFeminists30/09/21 08:26 PM
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i personally suffer from psychosomatic issues as a result of being circumcised as an infant, so yes i absolutely know what it means.
/r/AntiFeminists30/09/21 08:05 PM
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they clearly did argue that it's worse than rape, proving it can be done.
/r/AntiFeminists30/09/21 08:05 PM
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same results as america: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-aids-circumcision/circumcision-does-not-affect-hiv-in-u-s-men-study-idUSN0345545120071204 funny how they only find the association in those bizarre african studies.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/21 06:29 PM
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same results as america: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-aids-circumcision/circumcision-does-not-affect-hiv-in-u-s-men-study-idUSN0345545120071204 funny how they only find the association in those bizarre african studies.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/21 06:28 PM
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the guys i know who were say the circumcision affected them more.
/r/AntiFeminists30/09/21 05:47 PM
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you're forgetting the physiological effects of circumcision, the long term psychosomatic pains of circumcision, the legal implications of circumcision, and the social relations damage of circumcision.
/r/AntiFeminists30/09/21 05:46 PM
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somebody didn't watch the video.
/r/AntiFeminists30/09/21 05:45 PM
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parents have a responsibility to get their child to age 18 in one piece. if they betray that responsibility, why wouldn't you resent them?
/r/AntiFeminists30/09/21 05:45 PM
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i don't need to be a medical professional to know this to be 100% true. do you have to be a medical professional to know that women never need to be circumcised?
/r/AntiFeminists30/09/21 05:44 PM
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sounds like something a circumcised guy would say, but ok.
/r/AntiFeminists30/09/21 08:14 AM
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men need to be circumcised for medical reasons as often as women do: never.
/r/AntiFeminists30/09/21 07:45 AM
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i'm not in pain. i'm just pissed off with the dramatically reduced sexual pleasure and the disfigured appearance. i've been an anti-circumcision activist for many years now. anti-circumcision activism isn't doing nothing. neither is foreskin restoration. medical professionals got their chance and they ruined my penis. 8 years of foreskin restoration in my own home has made sex as a middle aged man much better than it was in my teens or 20's.
/r/MensRights29/09/21 08:40 PM
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how many hours a day did you wear phimocure rings inside your penis for? for how many months? a doctor is the one who created my situation. why would i trust one to help? i haven't seen a doctor in more than 20 years. my parents had it done to me because they find it more sexually appealing. i don't advocate it being done by anybody.
/r/MensRights29/09/21 05:09 PM
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tell him that, if he even THINKS about hurting a child of yours, that'll be the end of the relationship. he can be pro-circumcision all he wants for his own genitals, but he keeps his hands off the genitals of your sons and daughters if he doesn't want to lose them.
/r/MensRights29/09/21 07:55 AM
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did you consider stretching WITHOUT the use of any creams? it's almost always effective. the creams just speed it up a tad. http://phimosisjourney.com if somebody had intentionally ruined your penis, you wouldn't want revenge?
/r/MensRights29/09/21 07:54 AM
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did any of these women actually reject you for still having your whole penis? because if not, it sounds like you ruined your own chances with them.
/r/MensRights28/09/21 06:05 PM
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my mutilated penis tells a very different story.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/21 09:22 PM
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men are statistically more likely to commit crime are we sure that's true? or is it that they're statistically more likely to be CHARGED with crimes?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/21 08:38 PM
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i like to remind them how they sound the same as the "black on black crime" people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/21 08:37 PM
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defending the sexual abuse of children is mission creep, ma'am.
/r/MensRights18/09/21 03:04 AM
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no, i'm not. i said that your claims of medical benefits are as laughable as the claims FGM supporters make about FGM having medical benefits. i specifically said that doctors in most of the world don't believe any genital cutting has medical benefits. learn to read.
/r/MensRights18/09/21 03:02 AM
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i'm not talking about length. circumcision removes about fifteen square inches of penile tissue. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/science/11-people-paid-1000-each-5492382
/r/MensRights18/09/21 03:01 AM
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the foreskin is the most sensitive part of the human penis. https://bjui-journals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1464-410X.2006.06685.x why would removing the MOST SENSITIVE PART of a man's genitals be any different than doing the same to a woman? the clitoris is a small lump of flesh above the opening of a woman's vagina, and it can be removed for cultural, religious, or medical reasons. that's right! medical reasons! supporters of female circumcision make the same claims of health b…
/r/MensRights18/09/21 01:41 AM
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it is circumcision. any circumcised man is missing about a third of his cock.
/r/MensRights18/09/21 01:37 AM
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staying erect has never been a problem. the problem is not having the parts that bring a woman to orgasm during sex, and not having the parts that give me proper orgasms during sex.
/r/MensRights18/09/21 01:18 AM
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can you explain how it's any different? if we know for a fact that removing the most sensitive part of a woman's genitalia reduces the pleasure she feels, why would it be any different for a man? did the american education system teach you that nerve endings in male and female bodies operate differently? apparently. plenty of women elect to get circumcised. fuambai ahmadu was born in america, but flew to sierra leone when she turned 21 to get circumcised according to her family's tradition: http…
/r/MensRights18/09/21 01:14 AM
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can you explain how a gomco clamp is used during circumcision surgery?
/r/MensRights18/09/21 01:08 AM
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you think less intense orgasms are a bonus? does your partner get off on denying you pleasure? there are peer-reviewed studies that show women are twice as likely to orgasm when the man they're sleeping with has all of his penis. https://bjui-journals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1046/j.1464-410x.1999.0830s1079.x whether you feel inadequate or not, you are inadequate. whether your believe your penis was damaged or not, it's an irrefutable fact that it is covered in scar tissue and has perm…
/r/MensRights18/09/21 01:07 AM
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the most functional parts of your penis were crushed in a gomco clamp, a mogen clamp, or a plastibell clamp. the foreskin has always been the most functional part of the penis. it's the only part that moves during sex, and it's the part with nearly all of the erogenous nerve endings. do you believe a woman has less feeling in her genitalia when her clitoris gets removed? we can measure pain properly. a little girl's parents make the choice to circumcise her. that doesn't mean it isn't a violatio…
/r/MensRights18/09/21 01:06 AM
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do you know what a gomco clamp is? https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7b/3a/57/7b3a57d6ad4e2af45352f9abfc5bc133.jpg i feel sorry for any man you've ever been intimate with.
/r/MensRights18/09/21 01:02 AM
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every man who has had the most functional parts of his penis amputated is sexually handicapped. you feel 80% less pleasure, and are 50% less likely to bring your partner to orgasm. those are both severe handicaps.
/r/MensRights18/09/21 12:59 AM
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any woman who has had her clitoris excised can still get wet, get pregnant, and give birth. does that mean she's not sexually handicapped? you absolutely dehumanize me when you say it's not a severe violation of my rights for somebody to remove the most functional parts of my genitalia. your clitoris is a much tinier lump of flesh. it matters much less to your body than a man's foreskin matters to his. the foreskin has more than twice as many erogenous nerve endings as the clitoris does, so remo…
/r/MensRights18/09/21 12:58 AM
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if the most functional parts of your penis were crushed and amputated, it's a fact your dick is broken and will never work properly again. you're feeling 20% to 30% at best of the pleasure you're supposed to be feeling. you're not completely incapable of sex, but you are severely handicapped. most cases of FGM are much less severe than the american form of male genital cutting. this is by far the biggest men's rights issue to fight about. if we don't have a right to our own bodies, nothing else …
/r/MensRights18/09/21 12:56 AM
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we are sexually handicapped. it's a fact. no, our mutilated penises don't work properly, and i don't appreciate you minimizing the horrific violation my parents carried out against my infant body. stop dehumanizing me and disrespecting my human rights. is your clitoris the equivalent of a mole or a cyst? check your female privilege.
/r/MensRights18/09/21 12:29 AM
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who's making them feel like less of a human?
/r/MensRights18/09/21 12:28 AM
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it's a fact. they treated you like an object, not a person. they carved up your body.
/r/MensRights18/09/21 12:27 AM
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how are you any better off than they are? nobody has to unsheath themselves to piss.
/r/MensRights18/09/21 12:26 AM
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nowhere near 99% of male porn stars are circumcised, tho. some of the most famous ones have whole penises.
/r/MensRights18/09/21 12:25 AM
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you think the boys getting circumcised in those same african cultures get safer conditions? nope, they're circumcised in the same mud huts with the same rusty can lids.
/r/MensRights18/09/21 12:25 AM
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the foreskin is the main source of male sexual pleasure. in america, male circumcision was done with ZERO anesthestic up until around the year 2000. were you born prior to then?
/r/MensRights18/09/21 12:24 AM
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https://www.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=The%20Cherit
/r/MensRights18/09/21 12:23 AM
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he might not, either.
/r/MensRights18/09/21 12:22 AM
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no you can't.
/r/MensRights18/09/21 12:21 AM
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not as badly as circumcision hurts, tho.
/r/MensRights18/09/21 12:21 AM
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your parents dehumanized you when they forcibly removed normal parts of your body.
/r/MensRights18/09/21 12:18 AM
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when somebody cuts off part of your penis, it is no longer intact.
/r/MensRights18/09/21 12:17 AM
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the girls, too? what if they aren't glad to have mutilated genitals?
/r/MensRights18/09/21 12:17 AM
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how much of your penis could somebody cut off before it would be mutilation?
/r/MensRights18/09/21 12:17 AM
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at least 20,000 of us regret having the best part of our penis destroyed. r/foreskin_restoration why are you on a men's rights sub if you don't support a man's right to his whole penis? they aren't bashing any of the male population. they are supporting our rights to choose how much of our penis we'd like to keep.
/r/MensRights18/09/21 12:16 AM
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sexism. misandry.
/r/MensRights17/09/21 09:37 PM
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both both involve partial or total removal of the sex organ itself.
/r/MensRights17/09/21 06:42 PM
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can you explain why you believe the foreskin is any less valuable than the clitoris? supporters of female circumcision also claim there are health and aesthetic benefits to female circumcision. personally, as a circumcised man, i find the surgical scars on my penis to be absolutely disfiguring. the opposite of an aesthetic benefit. there are hundreds of millions of advocates of FGM in adult life. they simply mostly live in parts of the world where you don't encounter them. https://www.youtube.co…
/r/MensRights17/09/21 06:41 PM
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non consensual circumcision causes permanent damage to the penis in 100% of cases.
/r/MensRights08/09/21 11:18 PM
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there's nothing safe about permanently damaging a person's genitalia. there's nothing medical about permanently damaging a person's genitalia. circumcision is straight up genital mutilation.
/r/MensRights08/09/21 11:17 PM
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cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug.
/r/MensRights08/09/21 11:17 PM
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cutting off normal parts of a child's body isn't raising a child. it's abuse. how much of your penis could somebody cut off before it would violate your rights?
/r/MensRights06/09/21 07:48 AM
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you violated your son's right to choose how much of his penis he wanted to keep. your son will be a man one day. what if he doesn't believe a partial penis is best for him?
/r/MensRights06/09/21 07:47 AM
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thing is, that would prevent them from reproducing, too. and god wants us to do that.
/r/MensRights03/09/21 04:28 PM
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my thought is it sounds a LOT like the "black on black crime" argument we hear from conservatives. feminists probably won't want to hear that, tho. LOL
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/09/21 01:05 AM
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less than 1% of total men were circumcised 5,000 years ago. less than 30% of total men are circumcised today. at no point in human history have anywhere near 55% of total men been circumcised. i think your data is wrong.
/r/MensRights31/08/21 11:00 PM
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literally been done for 5,000 years by a tiny subset of the human race in order to oppress men and make them less sex-driven. just like female circumcision. i can't do whatever i want with my dong, because people like you mutilated my dong. circumcised men are at twice the risk of penis cancer.
/r/MensRights31/08/21 10:13 PM
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not sure what that has to do with this dude claiming i can't say for sure that circumcision isn't more painful as an adult unless i personally have experienced both adult circumcision and infant circumcision. i never said i've experienced everything. my point was that i can learn about things i haven't personally experienced. you seem to have no idea what discussion was taking place here and you just jumped in because you don't like me.
/r/MensRights31/08/21 10:11 PM
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that's exactly how it works. sensation comes from nerve endings.
/r/MensRights31/08/21 09:04 PM
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because i can't know anything that i haven't experienced myself?
/r/MensRights31/08/21 08:58 PM
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it's not subjective. removing 80% of the nerve endings in the penis takes away 80% of the pleasure. it's math.
/r/MensRights31/08/21 08:42 PM
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do i need to break my leg as both a child and as an adult to know that it's not more painful as an adult? https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2015-04-21-babies-feel-pain-adults
/r/MensRights31/08/21 08:33 PM
7

no, circumcision was never used to reduce infections. the vast majority of human populations in the world do not and have not ever practiced circumcision. if your family is of non-jewish european descent, odds are nobody in your entire bloodline was circumcised until the 1940's. when we didn't clean or bathe as regularly if at all, we'd want a covering over the end of our urinary tracts to keep dirt, lint, and other debris out. no, sexual pleasure is not subjective. we can't say we don't know if…
/r/MensRights31/08/21 08:32 PM
10

how is it any grosser than any other part of your penis? how is life better with 80% less sexual pleasure? having part of your penis missing is an abnormality, and i know many women who refuse sex with circumcised men. circumcision does not and never did reduce infections. it's an archaic method to control men's sexual behavior. most men in first world countries have whole penises with no surgical scars.
/r/MensRights31/08/21 07:01 PM
10

there's no such thing as having to be circumcised. sounds like your doctor is the idiot.
/r/MensRights31/08/21 06:59 PM
8

how much of your penis is gross?
/r/MensRights31/08/21 06:21 PM
8

phimosis is the scientific term for any foreskin that cannot be retracted, regardless of the reason it cannot be retracted.
/r/MensRights31/08/21 06:02 PM
6

stretching and tissue expansion is the first line of defense. steroid creams in combination with stretching and tissue expansion is the second line of defense. surgeries that do not remove any of the foreskin but instead make it larger are the third line of defense. for most men who have it, phimosis isn't even a problem and requires no treatment.
/r/MensRights31/08/21 05:57 PM
7

finding random dumbasses on the internet who claim it was due to cleanliness doesn't make it true. moses maimonides admits that the ancient jews created it to oppress men and control their sexuality. http://www.cirp.org/library/cultural/maimonides/ beef was never cleaner or safer than pork was, even in ancient times.
/r/MensRights31/08/21 05:56 PM
9

nonsense.
/r/MensRights31/08/21 05:40 PM
5

that isn't true. any medical problem that can be solved with a bronze age blood sacrifice can also be solved with evidence-based treatments derived through the scientific process.
/r/MensRights31/08/21 05:40 PM
8

if they tried it on me now, they'd be the ones who wound up in the hospital. the difference is, as an infant, i couldn't fight back.
/r/MensRights31/08/21 05:39 PM
8

why should my parents get to customize my penis based on what they prefer? you don't think that seems perverse and, dare i say, incestuous?
/r/MensRights31/08/21 05:38 PM
7

adult circumcision doesn't hurt any more than infant circumcision. at least the adult gets adequate anesthesia during the surgery. the child is fully awake.
/r/MensRights31/08/21 05:38 PM
9

how much of your penis could somebody cut off before you'd have a problem with it?
/r/MensRights31/08/21 05:37 PM
7

It was an old world tradition for cleanliness. what part of the old world? as far as i'm aware, there's no evidence that any culture has ever used circumcision for cleanliness.
/r/MensRights31/08/21 05:37 PM
20

male circumcision was popularized in america during the prohibition era (the time period during which it was illegal for adults to consume alcohol) in an attempt to control men's sexuality. both the prohibition and circumcision were part of a movement called "the third great awakening", which was a religious social movement that pushed back against the "pleasures of the flesh". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Great_Awakening the belief was that if you cut off the most sensitive parts of men'…
/r/MensRights31/08/21 05:36 PM
15

yes i can. ethnicity is nobody's choice. my parents can't change that. there's no good reason to mutilate a child's genitalia.
/r/MensRights31/08/21 07:52 AM
14

i can change my name. i can change my gender. i can learn a new language. i can move anywhere i want. i can't get back an arm or a leg that my parents decided to amputate.
/r/MensRights31/08/21 07:14 AM
17

no, there are no advantages to having the best parts of your penis forcibly removed at your most defenseless stage of life.
/r/MensRights31/08/21 06:40 AM
6

so?
/r/MensRights31/08/21 06:37 AM
1

nearly all men with whole penises go their whole lives without ever getting an infection. every circumcised penis has disfiguring surgical scars. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision_scar (NSFW!!) r/circscars (NSFW!!) nobody is born with any extra skin on their penis, but my parents already had the best parts of my penis amputated when i was a baby, just like yours did. i bet your surgical scars match mine.
/r/MensRights31/08/21 06:37 AM
1

my sleeves aren't part of my arms. men with partial penises have more infection, twice the cancer rate, and ugly surgical scars where their foreskin used to attach.
/r/MensRights31/08/21 06:21 AM
15

why was slavery allowed? why was segregation allowed? why was lobotomy allowed? trained surgeons did lobotomies.
/r/MensRights31/08/21 06:20 AM
9

yes. https://www.arclaw.org/wp-content/uploads/Sorrells-Fine-touch-BJUI-2007.pdf
/r/MensRights31/08/21 05:59 AM
1

cutting off part of any object makes that object smaller. the penis is no exception. if you want your penis to be even less sensitive, you can get even more of it amputated. you didn't answer the question, though.
/r/MensRights31/08/21 05:58 AM
15

the five most sensitive parts of the victim's penis are crushed and amputated.
/r/MensRights31/08/21 05:25 AM
1

what do you like best about having a smaller and less sensitive penis?
/r/MensRights31/08/21 05:23 AM
1

i ran into one person like that on Facebook once.
/r/MensRights31/08/21 05:23 AM
38

it's a systemic tool of male subjugation.
/r/MensRights31/08/21 03:52 AM
44

the feminist response to male genital mutilation. the way they always freak out and try to change the subject to FGM as quickly as possible. the way they say "don't you dare compare them!" and "don't you dare get angry at mothers for perpetuating MGM!"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/08/21 08:12 PM
2

thank you!
/r/MensRights30/08/21 07:31 PM
9

basically that she's tricked into doing something wrong. i agree with you, not with them. i'm just repeating what i've been told many times.
/r/MensRights30/08/21 12:47 AM
14

i've had feminists thank me for openly speaking out against male circumcision and saying they're glad to finally hear a leftist man against it, but then they instantly get upset with me and block me when they find out i don't consider the mothers to be as much as or more of a victim than the male child. they see male circumcision as wrong because it's another way that patriarchy hurts mothers to them. that it hurts the male child is just collateral damage to them.
/r/MensRights29/08/21 11:15 PM
3

yup, i'm one of the mods over there.
/r/MensRights29/08/21 12:26 AM
2

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/9412/circumcision-how-it-is-done-and-the-rulings-on-it
/r/MensRights28/08/21 11:10 PM
8

you might also want to include the fact that male genital mutilation is considered obligatory by all schools of islam, whereas female circumcision is prohibited by many of them.
/r/MensRights28/08/21 10:57 PM
18

how in the world would LEFT WING advocates be part of the alt right?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/21 09:08 AM
1

"if somebody wants to circumcise their son or daughter bad enough, they're going to find a way to get it done. i'd rather it be possible to do it legally under medical care." labiaplasty is not an analogue to FGM. clitoral excision is.
/r/MensRights27/08/21 09:22 AM
3

If someone has such body dysmorphia that they feel like they must have a limb amputated, they're going to find a way to get it done. I'd rather it be possible to do it legally under medical care. that's the same argument people make to justify infant genital cutting of boys and girls. if they're legally under medical care (committed), hopefully they won't have access to it.
/r/MensRights27/08/21 07:03 AM
8

i don't really agree. if an adult wants to pay a doctor to cut off their arms or legs, do you think the doctor should do it? or do you think the doctor should refer them to get the psychological care they so obviously need?
/r/MensRights27/08/21 06:48 AM
23

At what point does cutting off parts of someone else's body with a bladed instrument not considered mutilation? when it's necessary to save their life.
/r/MensRights27/08/21 05:24 AM
8

i don't think feminist and anti-male are necessarily the same thing. the sub is anti-male and that doesn't necessarily make it feminist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/21 03:37 AM
27

that sub is anti-male.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/21 02:17 AM
2

don't have a good one handy right now and i'm sure you could find one as easily as i could. but there's a reason there's so many stories about boys peeing in somebody's face during a diaper change.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/08/21 05:10 AM
2

infants get spontaneous erections more frequently than teens do.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/08/21 03:39 AM
2

how is circumcision any worse for teens?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/08/21 02:55 AM
1

if your ridged band isn't the most sexually sensitive part of your penis, it isn't the way it should be. all of the intact men in the study i provided disagree with you.
/r/MensRights25/08/21 09:58 PM
1

it sounds like there's something medically wrong with your ridged band if your ridged band doesn't have the normal amount of sensitivity. you can't assume everybody's ridged band is broken like yours is.
/r/MensRights25/08/21 08:53 PM
1

no what? again, LOOK AT THE STUDY. scientists have measured this and found that you are not correct. i've asked plenty of intact guys who tell me their ridged band is far more pleasurable.
/r/MensRights25/08/21 08:42 PM
2

no. on both whole penises and partial penises, the glans is the LEAST sensitive part and the LEAST pleasurable part. circumcision ablates (cuts off) the five most sensitive parts of the penis. read the link.
/r/MensRights25/08/21 06:26 PM
1

self-respecting men do care that female circumcision and male circumcision are comparable.
/r/MensRights24/08/21 07:56 PM
1

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/227011336_Physical_Effects_of_Circumcision
/r/MensRights24/08/21 07:22 PM
3

why settle for 20% of the pleasure you should be feeling?
/r/MensRights24/08/21 03:05 AM
5

you're right. a clitoris is equal to a little less than half a foreskin.
/r/MensRights24/08/21 02:48 AM
3

the glans is the LEAST sensitive part of the penis. removal of the glans is the LEAST damaging way you can mutilate a man's penis. on the other hand, the foreskin is the MOST sensitive part of the penis. removal of the foreskin is the MOST damaging way you can mutilate a man's penis. so if removal of the clitoris is comparable to removal of the glans, obviously you need to remove a lot more of a woman's genitals than just her clitoris to get it to be anywhere near as bad as removing a man's fore…
/r/MensRights24/08/21 12:46 AM
5

a whole penis has 24,000 erogenous nerve endings. circumcision removes 20,000 of them. is sex 100% pleasurable for a woman after you cut her clitoris off? there are no benefits to amputating healthy genital tissue.
/r/MensRights24/08/21 12:31 AM
6

most circumcised women say the same thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob3Wf0PKtBM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0DkhqTNy08
/r/MensRights24/08/21 12:31 AM
6

i'm not wrong, though. science has proven me correct. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17378847/
/r/MensRights24/08/21 12:13 AM
4

you said the clitoris is more valuable than the foreskin because the clitoris only provides pleasure whereas the foreskin provides pleasure and other functions. i'm telling you that's backwards logic.
/r/MensRights24/08/21 12:08 AM
4

when you cut off a woman's clitoris, it's no longer a part of her vulva. no, a woman's clitoris is only part of her sexual organ. the foreskin is a man's primary erogenous zone, just like the clitoris is for a woman. depriving a man of his primary erogenous zone is mutilation.
/r/MensRights24/08/21 12:07 AM
3

if i have one vaccine that's only purpose is to give you immunity to HIV and i have another vaccine that not only gives you immunity to HIV but also gives you immunity to cancer, which one is more valuable?
/r/MensRights23/08/21 11:46 PM
4

the surgical scars you find on every circumcised penis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision_scar (NSFW!!) if you cut off a woman's clitoris, it's no longer a part of her. does that mean it's no big deal that she lost all feeling in her clitoris?
/r/MensRights23/08/21 11:44 PM
6

it's 100% peer reviewed.
/r/MensRights23/08/21 11:44 PM
3

having the normal amount of sensitivity in your penis wouldn't give you premature ejaculation. it would only make your orgasm more intense and longer in duration.
/r/MensRights23/08/21 11:43 PM
4

how much of your penis could somebody cut off before it would affect your day to day life.
/r/MensRights23/08/21 11:42 PM
1

so long as 3,300 little boys are having their penises mutilated every day, we need to talk about this every day. we'll stop talking about it when it stops happening. also, if you'll look at the comments, you'll see we can't all agree that it's bad.
/r/MensRights23/08/21 11:42 PM
5

they stuck a pacifier in the baby's mouth to gag him.
/r/MensRights23/08/21 11:41 PM
4

how much of a male child's genitalia can you amputate before it becomes a crime against humanity? how much of a female child's genitalia can you amputate before it becomes a crime against humanity?
/r/MensRights23/08/21 11:40 PM
0

i compare type II and type III FGM to male circumcision.
/r/MensRights23/08/21 11:40 PM
3

it's worse than the female equivalent.
/r/MensRights23/08/21 11:39 PM
4

because they don't want to see a reminder of what was done to them every time they change junior's diaper.
/r/MensRights23/08/21 11:39 PM
2

how is making sex 80% less pleasurable a non-issue? how much of your penis could somebody cut off before you'd stand up for yourself?
/r/MensRights23/08/21 11:39 PM
5

it makes sex 80% less pleasurable. you don't have to wash a foreskin more thoroughly than you wash any other part of your penis.
/r/MensRights23/08/21 11:38 PM
5

the foreskin has more than twice as many nerves as the clitoris does. the clitoris has only 8,000. the foreskin has 20,000. how does the fact that the foreskin serves purposes other than pleasure make it less valuable?
/r/MensRights23/08/21 11:37 PM
4

how is the clitoris any more valuable than the foreskin?
/r/MensRights23/08/21 11:37 PM
4

my mom shouldn't get to decide for my penis. she doesn't own my penis. the reason it started a long time ago was to keep men chaste and faithful to their wives. it never had anything to do with health. neither do kosher or halal.
/r/MensRights23/08/21 11:36 PM
8

imagine making fun of a guy because he still has his whole penis attached.
/r/MensRights23/08/21 11:35 PM
6

if somebody removed your glans, you'd have no more glans to wash.
/r/MensRights23/08/21 11:35 PM
5

do you think you'd like it less if you still had the rest of it?
/r/MensRights23/08/21 11:35 PM
11

yeah, those surgical scars really give your penis a lot of character. how is it clean to cut parts of somebody's penis off?
/r/MensRights23/08/21 11:34 PM
3

it made every orgasm you will ever have 80% less pleasurable. your parents shamed your body when they cut normal parts of it off.
/r/MensRights23/08/21 11:33 PM
7

no, we're circumcised people.
/r/MensRights23/08/21 11:33 PM
3

slavery didn't affect all of humanity, either.
/r/MensRights23/08/21 11:32 PM
9

there are no legitimate reasons to have the most sensitive parts of your penis amputated.
/r/MensRights23/08/21 11:32 PM
1

those surgical scars give it lots of character.
/r/MensRights23/08/21 11:31 PM
8

if you were born in a country where the majority of guys get their testicles removed, would you want that too? it's not a little less sensitivity. you lose 80% of the pleasure you should feel during sex. circumcised penises are more likely to rip during sex.
/r/MensRights23/08/21 11:31 PM
1

south korea only started doing it in the 1960's, and the rate has dropped off a cliff since around the year 2000. so it was only popular there for around 40 years. south america and most of asia are just as low as europe.
/r/MensRights23/08/21 11:29 PM
3

the head is the least sensitive part of the penis. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17378847/
/r/MensRights23/08/21 11:27 PM
5

studies have shown that women have twice as many orgasms when their partner still has his entire penis attached. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1046/j.1464-410x.1999.0830s1079.x the studies you're talking about only asked women from cultures where male genital mutilation is a cultural norm. when you cut off part of somebody's penis, you make their penis smaller by the amount that was removed, and they lose all sensation in the amputated parts. you really like the way those surgical s…
/r/MensRights23/08/21 11:26 PM
4

who is "we"?
/r/MensRights23/08/21 08:50 PM
8

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/227011336_Physical_Effects_of_Circumcision
/r/MensRights23/08/21 07:33 PM
5

a whole penis has 24,000 erogenous nerve endings. circumcision removes about 20,000 of them. you do the math.
/r/MensRights23/08/21 07:19 PM
4

it's not my account, it's my life.
/r/MensRights23/08/21 07:18 PM
6

i absolutely can compare a clitoris to a foreskin. i can also compare both a clitoris and a foreskin to the head of a penis. the head of the penis has 4,000 erogenous nerve endings the clitoris has 8,000 erogenous nerve endings. the foreskin has 20,000 erogenous nerve endings. so, when i compare those numbers, i learn that cutting off the head of the penis is LESS damaging than cutting off the clitoris, whereas cutting off the foreskin is MORE damaging than cutting off the clitoris.
/r/MensRights23/08/21 07:18 PM
2

how much pleasure do you think a woman loses if you cut off her clitoris?
/r/MensRights23/08/21 06:49 PM
0

it absolutely is 80%. a whole penis has 24,000 erogenous nerve endings, and circumcision removes 20,000 of them.
/r/MensRights23/08/21 06:47 PM
7

it takes away about 80% of the pleasure you should feel during sex. do you understand how cutting off a woman's clitoris would make a difference, even if you do it to her as a baby?
/r/MensRights23/08/21 06:45 PM
-6

you lost 80% of the pleasure you're supposed to feel during sex.
/r/MensRights23/08/21 06:45 PM
5

what do you like best about having a smaller and less sensitive penis?
/r/MensRights23/08/21 06:45 PM
2

which crime against humanity has ever affected more than 50% of the population?
/r/MensRights23/08/21 06:44 PM
-1

the middle east is in asia.
/r/MensRights23/08/21 06:44 PM
0

puritans were long extinct by the early 20th century. "evangelical protestant christians" is the phrase you're looking for.
/r/MensRights23/08/21 06:43 PM
14

circumcision doubles a man's risk of penile cancer. https://www.healio.com/news/infectious-disease/20170519/circumcised-men-at-twice-the-risk-for-cancercausing-hpv-study-shows cutting off one of your son's testicles would cut his risk of testicular cancer in half. testicular cancer is far more common and far more deadly. does that make it ethical to remove one of your son's testicles?
/r/MensRights23/08/21 06:42 PM
10

it's a very common practice in some parts of the world.
/r/MensRights23/08/21 06:40 PM
2

no, it's usually a much less impactful procedure for women. they're definitely comparable.
/r/MensRights23/08/21 06:40 PM
5

100% of cases.
/r/MensRights23/08/21 06:39 PM
0

how would mutilating a man's penis benefit him? you really think primitive cultures 4,000 or 5,000 years ago knew some secret that modern science hasn't figured out yet?
/r/MensRights23/08/21 06:19 PM
2

never. male circumcision and female circumcision have the same effects.
/r/MensRights14/08/21 07:25 AM
2

because people will say "the bad one's already illegal, so we don't need to care about it anymore". and it also legally establishes a precedent that MGM is different and not as bad.
/r/MensRights14/08/21 12:52 AM
2

My entire point is that boys and girls are different and shouldn't be compared like this. they aren't tho.
/r/MensRights13/08/21 05:55 PM
2

i personally count the FGM laws as a major step towards ensuring MGM never gets banned.
/r/MensRights13/08/21 05:55 PM
2

but that's not the bible. female circumcision is part of islam, and islam is an abrahamic faith.
/r/MensRights11/08/21 06:01 PM
4

muslims don't follow the bible, bro.
/r/MensRights11/08/21 04:41 PM
38

female circumcision is just as abrahamic.
/r/MensRights11/08/21 06:16 AM
5

of course you can. and, considering a foreskin has more than twice as many erogenous nerve endings, you can conclude that removing a clit isn't as bad.
/r/MensRights11/08/21 06:16 AM
65

sexism. society sees men as the ones who need our sex drive controlled, and that's what circumcision is for.
/r/MensRights11/08/21 06:16 AM
0

i don't think the news is going to talk about it when "essential surgery" isn't even a thing anymore.
/r/MensRights10/08/21 07:09 PM
1

how?
/r/MensRights10/08/21 06:06 PM
0

i'm not sure that's true. i don't see how it would accomplish anything now.
/r/MensRights10/08/21 06:03 PM
6

isn't it a little late for this now? they've already resumed performing non-essential surgeries everywhere.
/r/MensRights10/08/21 05:35 PM
5

he's talking about people who would whine about sample sizes. i was agreeing with him.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/08/21 11:50 PM
6

yup. people who don't understand statistics always whine about sample sizes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/08/21 11:10 PM
1

not too far away, and it happens a few years older for a lot of them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/21 11:51 PM
2

seems like a non sequitur.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/21 11:50 PM
3

the muslim practice usually occurs at the cusp of teenage-hood, which was historically seen as adulthood.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/21 11:28 PM
3

in what way does a rite of passage ensure the survival of the tribe?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/21 11:28 PM
1

"not anymore".
/r/MensRights05/08/21 10:00 PM
1

the word "tattoo" does not appear in that article. could you point out the part you're referencing? it seems to be about neglect, which is denying your child necessary treatment. it's almost the opposite of what we're discussing.
/r/MensRights04/08/21 05:10 PM
1

the courts have ruled that i can pick whatever tattoo i want and force my sixteen year old daughter to get it on her hip against her will? can you show me the case where they decided this?
/r/MensRights04/08/21 04:54 PM
1

why can't i pick the body part as her father? if, at sixteen, my daughter doesn't want a tattoo on her hip but i want to put one there, i should get to force it on her?
/r/MensRights04/08/21 04:29 PM
1

that paper is from 2016. it's out of date. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/21/health/fgm-female-genital-mutilation-law.html do you have evidence that two girls go through FGM in a year in the US? i sure haven't seen any.
/r/MensRights03/08/21 10:33 PM
1

just like the doctors who mutilate the genitals of boys. do you understand there are around 150 million male genital mutilation victims in the US today? how many circumcised women would you say there are? female circumcision is fully legal in 11 US states.
/r/MensRights03/08/21 09:45 PM
1

and i'm saying you're absolutely wrong. a parent would NOT be permitted to tattoo their ten year old who actively says she does not want a tattoo on her forehead.
/r/MensRights03/08/21 08:51 PM
1

which headline told you it was done at age 12? no, it's often not the mother or aunt. last time it made the news, it was a doctor who had circumcised a handful of six and seven year old girls. the circumcised women i know were circumcised in hospitals during their toddler years. it happens to boys MILLIONS times more.
/r/MensRights03/08/21 08:49 PM
3

they're trying to deflect.
/r/MensRights03/08/21 05:28 PM
3

circumcision is nothing but a euphemism for genital mutilation. male circumcision is male genital mutilation, and female circumcision is female genital mutilation.
/r/MensRights03/08/21 05:28 PM
1

allowing your kid to pierce their nipples at 16 is a little different than you deciding to pierce your daughter's nipples at 10 when the kid says she doesn't want them pierced. so no, i'm not wrong. the difference is consent.
/r/MensRights03/08/21 03:04 PM
4

the question wasn't framed in any way that mentions penises.
/r/MensRights03/08/21 05:30 AM
5

they aren't purporting to be unbiased scientific research, though.
/r/MensRights03/08/21 05:24 AM
7

did you even bother to read your link before clicking "reply"? this is from the link that you just provided: "The medieval Jewish philosophers, with their strong rationalizing tendencies, were moved to ask why, granted that circumcision is a sign of the covenant, the sign had to be on this par­ticular organ of the body. Maimonides (Guide of the Perplexed, 3.49) advances two reasons. The first (which Maimonides considers to be the best) is that circumcision weakens, without actually harming, the …
/r/MensRights03/08/21 05:23 AM
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i think you have the cause and the effect backwards. female circumcision is considered mutilation because it's weird and foreign to us. if it had gotten as popular here as MGM did, it'd be just as socially acceptable. there are studies showing female circumcision has little impact on female sexual pleasure, too. you might want to look up the authors of the study you linked to: https://en.intactiwiki.org/index.php/Brian_J._Morris#Foreskin_fetish.3F https://en.intactiwiki.org/wiki/John_N._Krieger …
/r/MensRights03/08/21 05:10 AM
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what girls in america are being circumcised at 12?
/r/MensRights03/08/21 05:05 AM
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jewish moms and dads do it because of sex drives. http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/org/Medieval/src/contributed/[email protected]/penis.html http://www.cirp.org/library/cultural/maimonides/ the "cleanliness" excuse was only made up recently, and is also used by female circumcision apologists. https://islamqa.info/en/answers/45528/medical-benefits-of-female-circumcision
/r/MensRights03/08/21 05:02 AM
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the procedure is usually or always called a circumcision by the people doing it. they don't consider it mutilation. also, the term FGM itself is only about 25 years old. it didn't exist when i was born. the foreskin has more than twice as many nerve endings as the clitoris does. a whole penis has 24,000 erogenous nerve endings. a clitoris has 8,000. a circumcised penis has only 4,000. that should show you how devastating circumcision is to male sexual function. the foreskin is in active use just…
/r/MensRights03/08/21 04:59 AM
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not all female circumcision happens to 12 year olds. in singapore and malaysia, female babies are circumcised. not all male circumcision happens to baby boys. in most of the muslim world, boys are circumcised at around 12 years old.
/r/MensRights03/08/21 04:57 AM
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the oxford dictionary says both are circumcision. https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/circumcise
/r/MensRights03/08/21 04:56 AM
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what does that have to do with the conversation?
/r/MensRights03/08/21 04:56 AM
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the idea is that if sex and orgasms don't feel as good, GM victims will have less incentive to be promiscuous. what do you think FGM is about?
/r/MensRights03/08/21 04:55 AM
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oh, so if a woman decides to get infibulated, it's cool?
/r/MensRights03/08/21 04:49 AM
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sexism. they believe men are the ones who can't control their sex drives.
/r/MensRights03/08/21 02:09 AM
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so then circumcision is not ever ethical.
/r/MensRights03/08/21 02:02 AM
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only 50% of 11 year old boys are able to retract their foreskin. http://www.cirp.org/library/normal/thorvaldsen1/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2954072/ https://intactamerica.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Intact-Care-Guide-2018.pdf https://www.seattlechildrens.org/conditions/a-z/foreskin-care-questions/ https://www.chop.edu/conditions-diseases/care-uncircumcised-penis BMJ found that only 25% of five year old boys can comfortably pull back their foreskins: https://intactamerica.or…
/r/MensRights03/08/21 01:26 AM
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the odds of that being the whole foreskin and none of the rest of the penis are a billion to one. besides, if a woman got frostbite on part of her clitoris and needed part of her clitoris removed, nobody would call that "medically necessary female circumcision".
/r/MensRights03/08/21 01:26 AM
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what source would you find more trustworthy for celebrity relationship drama?
/r/MensRights02/08/21 08:13 PM
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i doubt there have been any peer-reviewed studies on the topic, but anecdotes abound. https://www.nationalenquirer.com/mike-walker/taylors-swift-scheme-real-reason-toyboy-singer-styles-got-snipped/
/r/MensRights02/08/21 08:08 PM
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that's exactly what i'm saying. i don't know what your feelings on vulvas are, but i've never met a vulva that wasn't nice looking.
/r/MensRights02/08/21 08:06 PM
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not just european men. it's just as bad for men from india, china, or latin america.
/r/MensRights02/08/21 08:05 PM
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one person shouldn't get to carve their religion into another person's body.
/r/MensRights02/08/21 07:58 PM
1

i wasn't even free to decide how much of my own penis i want to keep.
/r/MensRights02/08/21 07:56 PM
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cutting off part of my penis is not minding your business.
/r/MensRights02/08/21 07:55 PM
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religious freedom does not give one person a right to cut off parts of another person's body.
/r/MensRights02/08/21 07:55 PM
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nobody is born believing a religion.
/r/MensRights02/08/21 07:55 PM
1

do you think that might be because your penis was surgically altered as a baby and it's what you've gotten used to your whole life?
/r/MensRights02/08/21 07:54 PM
1

it's not any more painful as an adult man than it is as a newborn.
/r/MensRights02/08/21 07:53 PM
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level 1Vyrnoa · 1dI dont really understand why its so common in the usa while most other (christian) countries dont practise it nearly as much. because of american prudishness. it was popularized here to control the male sex drive.
/r/MensRights02/08/21 07:53 PM
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Most women are against uncircumcised. this isn't true in most of the civilized world.
/r/MensRights02/08/21 07:52 PM
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they can take a skin graft from anywhere on the body. doesn't need to be his primary erogenous zone.
/r/MensRights02/08/21 07:51 PM
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phimosis is normal, healthy, and desirable up until puberty. retraction is a sexual function and is not useful up until sexual debut. in cases of penile cancer, shouldn't the cancerous portion of the penis be removed? why would that be all of the foreskin and none of the rest of the penis?
/r/MensRights02/08/21 07:51 PM
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I also believe that it's reasonable for parents/guardians to consent on behalf of their minor children if their children are suffering from a genuine foreskin related medical condition that cannot be resolved by non-invasive means. that situation doesn't exist in the real world.
/r/MensRights02/08/21 07:50 PM
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depends on the gender of the child and where the piercings are going.
/r/MensRights02/08/21 07:48 PM
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Courts have held that children until about 12-14 range are always beholden to decisions made by the guardians/parents. we don't let their parents make any other decisions about body mods. you can't pierce your daughter's nipples or tattoo your son's face simply because they're 11 years old and not old enough to decide for themselves yet.
/r/MensRights02/08/21 07:47 PM
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it was popularized to keep their son chaste and faithful to his wife.
/r/MensRights02/08/21 07:46 PM
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is it okay to cut off your child's fingers or toes in the womb?
/r/MensRights02/08/21 07:45 PM
1

a lot of american porn has intact penises that are carefully filmed in a way where you usually won't notice the foreskin unless you're very aware of the differences.
/r/MensRights02/08/21 07:44 PM
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yeah, i appreciate both vulvas with the clitoris still attached and vulvas where the clitoris has been excised and the vagina has been stitched shut. all vulvas are beautiful.
/r/MensRights02/08/21 07:44 PM
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So your assertion is that parents are choosing to cut their infant sons so that they can get better pussy when they are older? it's because it's what they themselves prefer to put in their mouths. they aren't thinking about the son's future. they don't know what his peers will prefer. Pretty sure it is done because it is a religious preference. it's not. most americans are christians, and christianity says circumcision is forbidden.
/r/MensRights02/08/21 07:42 PM
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he felt threatened by me having more penis than him.
/r/MensRights29/07/21 08:18 AM
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why? why is it okay for them to take any of it?
/r/MensRights28/07/21 09:47 PM
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because obviously one can't talk about a thing in rigor unless they are personally attracted to it. i guess all female gynecologists have something they want to tell us, eh?
/r/MensRights28/07/21 04:57 PM
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nearly 100% of boys experience phimosis at age 3. it's normal, healthy, and desirable. it's only a problem if it persists beyond age 18. in 90% of cases of adult phimosis, it's fully curable with no surgery at all. the problem with circumcision isn't the complications. the problem with circumcision is the deliberate damage. but if you want to talk stats, 11.5% of circumcisions result in complications: http://spuonline.org/abstracts/2018/P21.cgi
/r/MensRights28/07/21 04:47 PM
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no you didn't. science says the parts of the penis removed by circumcision are the five most sensitive parts of the male genitalia: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17378847/ i'm straight.
/r/MensRights28/07/21 04:44 PM
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how much of your penis could somebody cut off before you'd have a right to complain about it?
/r/MensRights28/07/21 04:24 AM
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i'm straight.
/r/MensRights28/07/21 04:23 AM
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better hope your son doesn't think the same way i do...
/r/MensRights28/07/21 12:28 AM
3

that's what they should tell bill cosby's victims, right?
/r/MensRights28/07/21 12:28 AM
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i think they just don't care enough about the baby's pain and suffering.
/r/MensRights28/07/21 12:28 AM
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"Up to 96 percent of the babies in the United States and Canada receive no anesthesia when they are circumcised, according to a report from the University of Alberta in Edmonton. " http://edition.cnn.com/HEALTH/9712/23/circumcision.anesthetic/
/r/MensRights28/07/21 12:22 AM
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tell that to this parent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25UuQ3rqEEc what she actually did to me is far more horrific.
/r/MensRights28/07/21 12:21 AM
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me too.
/r/MensRights28/07/21 12:19 AM
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glad you realize you have no reasonable answers for my questions.
/r/MensRights28/07/21 12:19 AM
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i'm against it for any reason.
/r/MensRights27/07/21 11:53 PM
4

was somebody trying to pull your foreskin back?
/r/MensRights27/07/21 11:52 PM
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would you be saying the same thing if she'd cut off any other normal part of my body? should it be her choice how many fingers i get to keep?
/r/MensRights27/07/21 11:52 PM
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exactly. they give four year olds anesthesia. they don't give it to babies. neither religious reasons nor medical reasons. like most american men, i was circumcised because of my mother's sexual preferences.
/r/MensRights27/07/21 11:51 PM
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because my mom thinks circumcised penises look sexier and she prefers to put them in her mouth.
/r/MensRights27/07/21 11:48 PM
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what pain? if nobody tries to pull it back, it doesn't hurt.
/r/MensRights27/07/21 11:48 PM
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my mother already did when i was an infant. she belongs in prison for it.
/r/MensRights27/07/21 11:48 PM
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balanitis is an infection of the glans, not foreskin. any man who still has his glans attached can get balanitis. better cut the glans off just in case, right?
/r/MensRights27/07/21 11:47 PM
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how much skin can i cut off a baby girl before it becomes morally wrong?
/r/MensRights27/07/21 11:46 PM
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babies feel pain the same way adult men do. https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2015-04-21-babies-feel-pain-%E2%80%98-adults%E2%80%99
/r/MensRights27/07/21 11:46 PM
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how often do you plan on showing your son your penis? what if girls or boys think his penis is weird because his dad had part of it amputated when he was a baby? what makes you think most of his peers will be circumcised?
/r/MensRights27/07/21 11:45 PM
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there is literally zero scientific evidence showing that circumcision reduces HIV risk for M2M encounters. none.
/r/MensRights27/07/21 11:44 PM
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why should the amount of penis i get to keep be a personal choice for somebody else to make? somebody else changing the way my penis looks isn't something i will ever accept.
/r/MensRights27/07/21 11:43 PM
5

surgical scars don't make it look like you have a boner.
/r/MensRights27/07/21 11:42 PM
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circumcision amputates the five most sensitive parts of the penis. moisture doesn't help with that.
/r/MensRights27/07/21 11:42 PM
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so are you saying it's better than your dysfunctional penis, or better than a normal penis?
/r/MensRights27/07/21 11:41 PM
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back in time people use to stock food into salt and beef was okay but pork was spreading disease because of the ways of stocking it there was no point in human history when beef was safer than pork.
/r/MensRights27/07/21 11:40 PM
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It was for the disease before cause people didn't had the same hygiene as us there is literally zero historical evidence to back up this claim.
/r/MensRights27/07/21 11:40 PM
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it is literally very easy to fix if you use proper techniques. creams aren't going to accomplish anything. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29909192/
/r/MensRights27/07/21 11:39 PM
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phimosis is not a legitimate reason to circumcise. they should have widened your foreskin, not amputated it.
/r/MensRights27/07/21 11:39 PM
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they say it's propaganda and not how it's actually done.
/r/MensRights27/07/21 11:38 PM
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yes we do.
/r/MensRights27/07/21 11:38 PM
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they didn't give me any anesthesia.
/r/MensRights27/07/21 11:36 PM
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how old were you when you were circumcised? i was circumcised as an infant. i was wide awake and given no anesthesia.
/r/MensRights27/07/21 11:36 PM
4

male and female circumcision are the same procedure on the same body part.
/r/MensRights27/07/21 11:35 PM
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far more circumcised men have terrifyingly warped and hardly functional members. r/circscars (NSFW!!) r/CircumcisionGrief
/r/MensRights27/07/21 11:35 PM
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you have a severe case of missing your five most sensitive genital parts.
/r/MensRights27/07/21 11:34 PM
5

that simply isn't true. a foreskin that is too tight can be loosened. it never has to be removed.
/r/MensRights27/07/21 11:33 PM
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everybody's foreskin is stuck to the tip at 3 years old. that's normal human biology. was somebody trying to pull yours back?
/r/MensRights27/07/21 11:33 PM
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except pulling it back prematurely doesn't help it get stretchy. it causes scarring that makes it less stretchy.
/r/MensRights27/07/21 11:32 PM
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having a foreskin that's "too tight" is called r/phimosis. there are surgeries like preputioplasty and z-plasty that surgically widen the foreskin. phimosis is absolutely not a legitimate reason to amputate the foreskin.
/r/MensRights27/07/21 11:31 PM
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circumcision is a religious term, not a medical term. the medical term for that surgery is posthectomy.
/r/MensRights27/07/21 11:30 PM
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i don't see where that says it's why they have lower STD rates.
/r/MensRights24/07/21 11:04 PM
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it's not an opinion for circumcision any more than it is for rape.
/r/MensRights24/07/21 11:04 PM
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those reports are from the time period when US male circumcision rates went from less than 1% to more than 80%. those are the reasons that circumcision became the norm here.
/r/MensRights24/07/21 11:03 PM
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where's the evidence?
/r/MensRights24/07/21 09:17 PM
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In cases of masturbation we must, I believe, break the habit by inducing such a condition of the parts as will cause too much local suffering to allow of the practice being continued. For this purpose, if the prepuce is long, we may circumcise the male patient with present and probably with future advantage; the operation, too, should not be performed under chloroform, so that the pain experienced may be associated with the habit we wish to eradicate. -Athol A. W. Johnson, On An Injurious Habit …
/r/MensRights24/07/21 09:17 PM
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prove it.
/r/MensRights24/07/21 09:17 PM
2

neither one is a medical procedure. both are one person forcing themselves on another person and having their way with the other person's sex organs without that person's consent.
/r/MensRights24/07/21 09:17 PM
2

US STD rate (virtually all american men are circumcised) compared to Japanese STD rate (virtually all japanese men have a whole penis).
/r/MensRights24/07/21 07:23 PM
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do you have evidence to back this claim up?
/r/MensRights24/07/21 07:23 PM
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genital mutilation is genital mutilation. it's a fact that male circumcision is done to control men's sex drives and keep them chaste and faithful to their wives.
/r/MensRights24/07/21 07:22 PM
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they're both forms of sexual assault. same principles apply to both.
/r/MensRights24/07/21 07:22 PM
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you're right, because we're talking about human rights and not about science. no amount of medical benefits to rape would justify it.
/r/MensRights24/07/21 05:45 PM
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no, the fact is that circumcised men have higher STD acquisition and transmission rates.
/r/MensRights24/07/21 05:45 PM
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the majority of parents don't mutilate their children's genitals, either. male circumcision is usually done from a societal aspect of preventing a man from having sex, or reducing sexual stimulation. supporters of female circumcision believe it's a religious imperative and that it reduces the risk of STDs. female circumcision is much less invasive, and has far fewer acute and chronic complications as a result of it being performed.
/r/MensRights24/07/21 05:43 PM
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then explain why US STD rates are 2 to 3 times higher than europe.
/r/MensRights24/07/21 05:42 PM
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You agree that you expect your parents to make choices for you, until you're able. only choices that have a need to be made before i turn 18. they don't need to choose what tattoos i will get and they don't need to choose how much of my penis i can keep. both of those choices can wait until i'm old enough to choose for myself. no, partial penile amputation is not a medical procedure.
/r/MensRights24/07/21 07:31 AM
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The state does intervene in cases of child abuse this is proof that they don't always.
/r/MensRights24/07/21 07:30 AM
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See but the child has no rights under the state, they are a protectee of their parent. if that were true, no father would ever go to prison for molestation. is it perfectly fine to cut off a little girl's clitoris because she needs it cut off from a religious perspective?
/r/MensRights24/07/21 07:29 AM
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cutting off part of your penis does not decrease STD rates. american STD rates are 2 to 3 times higher than europe's.
/r/MensRights24/07/21 07:29 AM
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it 100% was created to oppress and control men. http://www.cirp.org/library/cultural/maimonides/ why do you think it was created?
/r/MensRights22/07/21 03:29 PM
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the idea was that if orgasms feel less pleasurable, men will be less sex-driven and more likely to stay chaste and faithful to their wives.
/r/MensRights21/07/21 02:34 AM
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a tight foreskin can be loosened. it doesn't need to be amputated.
/r/MensRights20/07/21 02:32 AM
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it's male genital mutilation. circumcision was created for the explicit purpose of oppressing and controlling men.
/r/MensRights19/07/21 10:09 PM
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try showing him this: https://www.littleimages.org/circumcision-is-unchristian/ do you have a son? how old is he? at 14 years old, he might very well have his own opinion. i find it hard to believe that the process of cutting off part of a boy or man's penis wouldn't be painful.
/r/MensRights19/07/21 08:02 PM
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it wasn't done late enough.
/r/MensRights19/07/21 04:37 PM
2

circumcision meets the legal definition of aggravated sexual assault with an object. it involves penetration of the victim's genital opening.
/r/MensRights19/07/21 02:47 PM
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the foreskin itself is lubrication in the form of a rolling bearing.
/r/MensRights19/07/21 02:47 PM
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circumcision results in both a loss of function and in mass scarring.
/r/MensRights19/07/21 02:46 PM
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the utilitarian function of the nerves in question is to experience sexual pleasure.
/r/MensRights19/07/21 02:46 PM
2

the foreskin contains more nervous connections than any other part of the male genitalia.
/r/MensRights19/07/21 02:45 PM
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your parents should have treated your infections with medicine, the same way they would if you'd been female. part of your penis did get amputated. that's what circumcision is.
/r/MensRights19/07/21 02:44 PM
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there's no such thing as having to get circumcised. circumcision doesn't suck any worse at 35 than it does at 5 years old or 5 days old.
/r/MensRights19/07/21 02:43 PM
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the penis becomes less sensitive when the most sensitive parts of the penis are amputated. it's the same way the vulva becomes less sensitive when you amputate the clitoris. the areas normally covered by foreskin are the least sensitive parts of the penis.
/r/MensRights19/07/21 02:43 PM
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the two procedures are done by the same cultures, for the same reason, at the same ages, with the same outcome, under the same circumstances, using the same tools.
/r/MensRights19/07/21 02:42 PM
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