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Y'know, while writing the comment I was thinking about the protestant work-ethic vs catholic cultural distinction. I mean, that distinction was never born out in the science, but it still made an important point about how belief systems shape (or are shaped by) our values and approach to life.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/26 01:35 AM
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I think this seriously downplays the degree to which culture is shaped by political theory though. Don't forget that part of the reason why post-modernism conceptions of truth were so radical was because it so upended the moral assumptions that individuals take in their day to day life. We know that academia is left-wing biased, feminist biassed, and predominantly women (at least, among the more culturally impactful HEAL disciplines). We must therefor acknowledge that our culture is informed by …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/26 05:44 AM
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Late to this one, but another explanation could be that the perspective detailed by OP at least provides some sense of self control or hope for change in one's life. It is a classic aspect of just world hypotheses - that good things happen to good people and vice versa, and therefor if I just work hard to be 'good' I will not have to worry about bad things happening to me. This seems to align well with the 'sigma male' and various '-maxxing' cultures that seem to be gaining popularity among youn…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/26 05:24 AM
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I have a personal goal of taking down this misinformation wherever I see it because it's so toxic. For the record, men have been shown to have higher lethality than women, even when using typically 'female' suicide methods such as poisoning. One of the most frustrating things (particularly as a non-american) is seeing this get caught up in gun control discourse. People seem to believe men only die by suicide more because they love guns, which is always said with some distateful mirth. In US the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/26 11:07 PM
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This is also just a poor, simplistic representation of the impact of testosterone. Testosterone does not just increase aggression, and aggression does not de novo increase crime. Testosterone increases competitive and status seeking behaviours. The aggression that may or may not come with those behaviours is context-dependent. The authors have also greatly overstated the rigour of hormone manipulation studies - aggression is not a consistent finding. The bias here is evident in considering how m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/25 04:33 AM
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Sen. Roberts is a rabid right winger, though. In the end, he is co-opting men's issues like anyone else for the sake of his own agenda. Aside from the fact that his mere presence in any advocacy issue is enough to stop most people from taking it seriously, his whole agenda is about protecting traditional family values. His gripe with feminism is in viewing it as an assault on the nuclear family, and this bias is just a useful avenue for him to call their work into question. Which I think exempli…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/10/25 09:44 PM
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I agree on principle, but I worry that the only way for paper abortions to be feasible is with government footing the bill for mothers who opt to carry the pregnancy to term. I am generally pro-welfare spending, however I am not sure what ramifications this would have for the already diminishing value of fatherhood. I really don't have any answers in this conversation, at base it just seems to reflect such an innate inequality for which we are only willing to rectify one side. Conversely, I beli…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/09/24 06:45 AM
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Don't leave the sub if you're considering it. I'm pretty much on same page as lettuce later on in the thread. I was at free Palestine rallies as a teenager back in 09, ardently antizionist for most my life, west bank shit is absolutely damnable, but I've come to see Gaza from a different viewpoint. The while 'genocide' line is contrived and bs. So many people jumping into this moment right now, informing me bout what I need to do to be on the right side of history, 18mo ago they'd get Israel Ira…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/24 12:02 PM
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Before 'me too' there was a viral hashtag 'yes all women.' It was a response to the hashtag 'not all men.' It was around 2014/15 from memory, suggesting that while not all men perpetrate, all women are victimised. Although it played hyperboly with the data and didnt recognise male victims, this response at least acknowledged the legitimacy of the 'not all men' issue. During metoo, this seemed to shift toward focussing on all men's complicity in women's victimisation. We then had a generation rai…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/24 10:18 PM
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Sometimes I feel that Siedler has to don the clothes of this kind of language in order to get anywhere in his field. But a lot of his speech here is quite frustrating. I dont know why people cannot at least permit the nuance of saying 'some' men' instead of just 'men.' It plays right into the hands of this baseless take that the reason bad men perpetrate is because good men stand idly by, that all men are enablers of one another. Further, the focus on 'intervention' and 'prevention' rather than …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/06/24 01:50 AM
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Completely agree with this. I have adhd, and in my psychologist training, whenever we talk about 'neurodiverse' conditions, we always spend more time talking about women despite the fact that men make up the vast, vast majority of such cases.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/24 03:06 AM
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I have worked in research, narrowly dodged a couple PhDs, and now doing my clinical psych training. It feels pretty hopeless a lot of the time. As someone else said, it isnt widely recognised because most researchers concern themselves with only their field, and their contribution to that field. It is inherently siloed. I think that interacts with known bias against research supporting a certain, politically delineated subsets of conclusions. Mens studies dont have a glut of polemic works to pus…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/24 03:53 AM
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I am open to the idea that men across the spectrum disproportionately process emotions with women rather than other men. But what I hate is this assumption that any time a dude is talking about things like this, it's assumed that he's doing it because he can't or won't talk to his friends/process it alone. Instead, he could be trying to explain why he's not living up to the coming of age, rom com, indie flick joy boy stereotype she's looking for. Or he could be, if somewhat hamfistedly, attempti…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/24 11:21 AM
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I agree with you, I don't think that was clarified clearly in the OP. The issue that I, and I believe others, find frustrating (and perhaps an assumed perspective for this post) is that discussion around this issue is rarely coming from both sides. I don't think OP is arguing that men are 'inherently' more qualified, insofar as the societal and systemic factors cannot be considered inherent. But those factors do influence our aptitude for certain roles, and those factors should be the target of …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/03/24 01:03 AM
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IME you don't push them off because then you'll seem violent. You just accept it after a certain number if 'noes' that get giggled off as 'yes' by her, and you already know by the fact that she's behaving this way that she's one of the unhinged ones who's psyche cannot handle rejection or disappointment. The stakes are even higher because she's literally throwing herself at you. She thinks everyone wants her, and you don't want to find out what the cognitive dissonance will make her do when she …
/r/EverydayMisandry05/03/24 05:30 AM
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No worries! I didn't mean to be too critical or discouraging at all. I get this is probably just for an assignment or something. But I do think it's a good idea to consider these kinds of things at this point in your education, whether you go psych or not. Do you feel able to clarify the rationale of your study? What are your hypotheses?
/r/EverydayMisandry17/02/24 05:56 AM
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Just completed the survey, I'd warn against the way you have described it in this post as it is somewhat deceptive. You appear to be examining susceptibility to 'red pill ideology' and its link to childhood trauma. Its an interesting question, but it's findings could clearly be used to give a partial and dismissive account of the motivations for male advocacy movements. Perhaps you had to word the survey that way to get approval institutionally, and here in this sub you show your real intentions…
/r/EverydayMisandry16/02/24 09:42 PM
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https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/learn/histories/eight-witchcraft-myths/ This is a pretty interesting read on the witch hunt myth. Pretty much debunks everything, notes that the majority of accusers were women too. It should also be noted that burning (outside UK) was saved for women generally, whilst men had the privilege of being hanged drawn and quartered. Lovely.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/24 06:52 AM
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Old thread, but my .02 is that any discussion of 'new masculinity' is a subversive attempt to problematise masculinity rather than the dynamics of misandry that buffet our identity. It's a natural emergence from patriarchy theory which centres men as responsible for the issues of status quo, and implies that it emerges from men's essential way of being. It disregards the circumstantial factors that scaffold societal development historically (resource scarcity, danger, disease, division of labour…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/24 11:33 PM
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They were adults so I excluded them from comparison. A better comparison would require a 16yo boy who was prosecuted for a similar crime. Edit: i see your point though
/r/EverydayMisandry21/11/23 09:08 PM
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Generally though, when I see those issues being bought up (admittedly, most of the forums I use are akin to LWMA so not representative), it is in response to a claim of discrimination or to sole victimhood of a certain dynamic. I agree that even the confluence of all three factors you listed does not warrant discrimination, in theory. But where discrepancies exist, all three must be entertained as having a role rather than simple discrimination. So, I think to censor ourselves for neuro/bio/soci…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/23 05:58 AM
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Saved the comment. Thank you very much for this response. It's a frustrating read. Am I correct in reading that if there were a meaningful and well evidenced benefit offered by positive discrimination, then it would be acceptable to overturn the assumption of 'substantive equality'? (Disregarding, God forgive me, the UN for just a moment) There's a bit of a feedback loop limiting progress here. For instance, we lack evidence supporting male educator representation because we lack representation,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/23 10:51 AM
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With you all the way on Melbourne. I've spent time up north and have an annual gig helping a mate out in the mallee, and whenever I return from those places I get a culture shock. Melbourne is so far up it's own arse it's almost funny at first, then gradually gets you down. The darebin move was just typical chest beating bullshit. How many blokes depend upon their contract in that industry being renewed, how many families depend upon their income, and council just jeopardise it for a stunt. As f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/23 10:34 AM
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Are you from Melbourne, though? I think you offer it pretty generously here, and describe a cultural identity of egalitarianism and workers rights that I wish was increasing, rather than decreasing, in strength. In Melbourne, IME, the US style feminism has definitely reached the younger generation. Here we have very little concern for men's wellbeing, outright and immediate dismissal of their experiences and perspectives, and the two-faced approach to masculine identity wherein traditional and n…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/23 12:06 AM
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I've always taken issue with this line. It's essentially meaningless. Women may fear approaching men for those reasons, but the likelihood of harm is incredibly low when compared to the potential to be 'laughed at.' I also think women are just as fearful of rejection, if not more so. We can also recognise that some women react extremely poorly to rejection, albeit without the propensity for violence. Women are also rarely the ones to initiate overt pursuit of a man. Not because of fear, but beca…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/23 10:33 PM
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Mate i am pretty sure the west coasters caught it from us lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/23 07:49 AM
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There's a parallel between some women's reluctance in the early feminist movements and this. We are up ending roles as old as time, granted its 150 years later, but that's not much in the scheme of things. So men are in their mode, in their role, and don't see the sense or even possibility of change. Just gotta keep advocating, making loud noises while engaging respectably, and eventually the tide will shift. That's the only hope I can find when confronted with these situations.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/23 10:41 PM
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My issue with trying to define positive masculinity is that it generally just lists examples that men are not currently exhibiting, like the list you provided. 'Men opening up is positive masculinity.' No, it's just positive full stop, for anyone. And it's an act, not a trait. It does not speak to reasons for men not being vulnerable, nor how society expects and benefits from that. There are, or at least have been, societal benefits to men being the less vulnerable gender. Imo, most of the trait…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/22 09:49 PM
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Yes, essentially. Or at least, their consent to sex is not tacit consent to reproduction. It is for men. Is that fair, in your mind? Or should we just accept the inequity of it, and find value in the differences between sexes' experience and roles in life?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/22 09:22 PM
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You misconstrued the argument to be centred around unprotected sex and men's sexual desires, rather than fatherhood and finances. Circular may not be quite the right word. But what does it mean to be responsible enough for sex? Apparently it means being responsible enough to have kids. But women are empowered to seperate those two responsibilities.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/22 09:54 AM
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I'll just add that rape is primarily about bodily autonomy. So is the right to abortion. Men don't have equivalent rights in the reproductive space, nor a biological basis for them. My personal opinion is that the social impetus to nullify this inequity, in the face of the biological bases for it, will never arise. Hence this fundamental condition of the gender divide will persist. But perhaps trans and gender diverse movements against biological essentialism will change things there and prove m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/22 09:32 AM
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Good distinction there, but I think its twisted a bit. Yes, consent in regards to sex is the defining feature of assault/rape, gender aside. But consent broadly refers to permission and agreement. It is not only related to sex. People cannot access your personal information without your consent, for instance. Consent and its violation are central to any rights based system. And the phrase you offered, swapping in 'responsibility' rather than consent is the more common one. But it's circular. It …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/22 09:25 AM
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The more I think about it, the more I'm realising I might be wrong. It's midnight where I am. Maybe opt in is best. Women who delay giving the option would already be prepared for single parenthood. I guess women could offer the option to anyone they were sleeping with around the time of conception and refuse paternity testing at birth, but that's no different to the status quo really. I like it. But it's pretty radical.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/22 01:50 PM
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I think that's the other side of the coin that I have neglected here. Rights to single fatherhood through adoption or surrogacy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/22 01:26 PM
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Perhaps I overestimate the number of fathers who remain present due to the perceived obligation. And my concern is that the potential for human harm is still not equivalent between biological and paper abortion, and therefore the consent to fatherhood would still be undermined.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/22 01:21 PM
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I can see this in theory. But with concerns around infidelity and who can consent to paternity testing, I fear it would get murky pretty quick.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/22 01:13 PM
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I looked at a few, but I wanted the chance to really ask my own questions and push to explore whether this really remedies the problem I see with unequal reproductive rights.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/22 01:06 PM
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Very few women take that option though, at least in part due to the moral boundaries it crosses. Same would apply to men opting out of fatherhood. It's hardly empowering consent, and more just lowering the burden of provision that men face when coerced into fatherhood. I support it for those ends as well though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/22 01:03 PM
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Do you think the social stigma towards men who opt out would eventually be eroded too? And what ramifications would that have for men's role in society? At the moment, with the current option for opting out that you have outlined, those fathers wear the brunt of the social judgement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/22 01:00 PM
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Yes and society will rally to support whatever dyad the child finds itself in. I have a hard time believing that judgement will not be placed at the fathers feet as well. Particularly if the tax-payer foots the bill of child support. And so men will still feel the pressure to step and and this will undermine consent to fatherhood.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/22 12:55 PM
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At a minimum this would be required. But they could just not do that, and then what?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/22 12:52 PM
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Are mothers required to offer the option, or do they decide whether or not to ask the father to opt in?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/22 12:50 PM
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At the bottom of it all, this is what I agree we would achieve, and this is still worthwhile. I just dont think it will empower the consent to fatherhood as we might hope. But at least it will lower the financial burden on men for something the did not ask for.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/22 12:47 PM
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Surrendering parental rights means you do not have right of access to the child. If the law changed to facillitate paternal resignation, the government would have a responsibility to support single mothers. And yes, we already have precedent for single motherhood in many forms. And I support single mothers rights. But what I am getting at is that the consent principle would be undermined by social attitudes towards the (non)fathers. I'm not even saying we shouldn't permit it per se, but that it …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/22 12:44 PM
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I think this is a solid point. No more parental entrapment. But I do think at least a portion of women willing to have a child for those reasons would be willing to have a child despite the fathers withdrawal. And as I have said elsewhere, I don't think men would feel quite as blameless for withdrawing from fatherhood if a child may still be carried to term. There is no equivalence with termination of a pregnancy. Society would still find grounds for moral judgement which would undermine the rig…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/22 12:35 PM
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I actually tend to agree with you i think, despite the downvotes you're getting. Withdrawal of parental rights by the father does not guarantee the mother's decision to terminate. Hence there is a very real probability that the child will be carried to term. There is a potential for greater human cost after the withdrawal of parental rights than you would find in biological abortion. And although that decision is worn solely by the woman, I doubt blame will be ascribed solely to them. Society wi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/22 12:16 PM
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I agree, I'd say a majority of men hope to be fathers at least some day. But abortion is more about timing. Many women who have abortions in their 20s go on to have children in their 30s. The same thing would happen for men who want to wait until they are established or find the right person. And I dont think right to consent is empowered in the end. A woman could still choose to carry to term, and the government would be morally required to make some provision for that. Unlike biological aborti…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/22 12:07 PM
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While I agree, I just don't think these powers are in any way equivalent. In any cases of single motherhood, complete resignation of parental rights and responsibilities under the law would not stop the mother from letting the child contact the biological father at any time in its life. A man's decision not to be involved could still have human consequences whenever the child is carried to term, and society will still have moral grounds to judge the biological father. They may also come to judge…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/22 11:46 AM
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I believe it is more likely that the government will 'step up to the plate' as the rate of single motherhood increases. Declining birth rates could even lead to financial incentivisation in the face of a rapidly aging populace.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/22 09:37 AM
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But the woman withdrawing consent ends the possibility of the child coming into the world. But that is not necessarily the case for men. I realise here I am incidentally arguing for men to take responsibility for women's actions, which I do not advocate for. But I highly doubt we will develop some prohibitive social values against single motherhood. We will just end up with more single mothers, and decrease the perceived need for fathers.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/22 09:30 AM
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Such statistics are merely the reflection of the fact that the primary societal intervention for men's issues is to criminalise the outcome. When faced with financial or mental struggles, men are afforded fewer options for improving their circumstances. When this leads to antisocial activity, we have historically only ever increased punishment as a deterrent for those activities. A leading example is the war on drugs, but this phenomenon is also at play in racial profiling, in so far as race has…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/22 06:37 AM
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Yes this is true. Nebulous terms are also used to malign men's issues without exploring them further. We lump them altogether and cry 'toxic masculinity' towards men who are struggling, blaming them for their own exploitation and oppression. I guess the point in question for me is whether patriarchy has more anthropological and historical precedent, but is simply over used for the purposes you outlined. Or is it a total falsehood?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/22 08:20 AM
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I'm undecided. Perhaps we can grant that the term patriarchy refers to historical value systems which oppressed women due to their lesser economic utility, while exploiting men for their labour. A net negative in either case, but at least men got to be the head of their household alongside several other liberties. In this way, the value system we live under which harms men in particular is the legacy of these values. Or you can say that although men historically had greater freedom in many cases…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/22 08:06 AM
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Yes, this is the view I generally hold. It's basic statistical literacy. I guess I have been feeling extra radical today, hence the revolutionary overtones, but I've calmed down a lot this evening. I guess I do acknowledge patriarchal history, and its legacy in our values, and the fact that we may default to it if we do not continue to fight. But I also think a point can be made about how patriarchal values primarily persist in the maltreatment of men. Or to water it down a bit, unchecked patria…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/22 07:38 AM
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Absolutely. Advocate for your rights locally, only through egalitarianism can we be invulnerable to the divide and conquer tactics used to protect the power structure from revolt. I dont advocate for abolition of the hierarchy, that would be anarchy. But I do believe in flattening the disparities and increasing bottom up influence, which creates a more egalitarian power distribution. This requires reproductive and labour rights to be centralised in our advocacy, aiming for symmetrical rights and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/22 06:38 AM
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I get that sense sometimes too. And I suppose the only essential argument against that term is that it is alienating and erasive of men's experience. Doesn't even need to be about historical facts. The sense belonging in a movement is at least equally about feeling. That is to say nothing of the way dogmatic practices within the movement undermine their own initiatives. ETA: the common retort to any acknowledgement of the state of relative parity we have achieved between men and women's roles is…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/22 05:43 AM
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I wholeheartedly agree. To me, if we're talking pre-existing political vehicles, democratic socialism is the answer. Heavily regulated industry with global trade and a democratically elected government in essence. And we can achieve that with continuity from where we are now, through activism over time, without revolution. I believe, at least. ETA: regulation should focus upon the rights relevant to our essential utility to the ruling elite - reproduction and labour. As an underclass, we deserve…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/22 03:29 AM
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Jumping in to say I agree with you, imo this was authoured more as a consideration of different approaches to foreign affairs. Basically, an enemy of my enemy is my friend in France. They still rally against the burqa to this day. But the point stands that precedent is set regarding the CIAs interests and influence over socio political discourse globally, and the potential benefits of certain ideology to their objectives. As a conservative organisation, it stands to reason they'd appreciate the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/22 01:36 PM
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I thought this too when reading it, but the wave you describe is more localised to the US. France, for instance, still have Burqa ban rallies and so forth. These rallies have an expressly feminist narrative, but an earlier wave. In general, even post 2015, my experiences in Europe have been less intersectional than US/UK/Canada etc, though that's changing (intersectionality an American export imo). I think this initiative was more focussed more on foreign affairs.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/22 01:22 PM
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I know you can't respond but I tend to agree with a lot of what you said and hope you don't continue getting slammed with downvotes. For an outsider, the gun and media culture of America are clearly antecedent to your school shooting rates. I disagree somewhat that weirdos are left alone at school, or rather that being isolated/alienated by your cohort isn't just as damaging. But I agree this experience occurs around the world, where we don't have access to guns and our media is a little less lo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/09/22 09:33 AM
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I think I come from a different frame and set of data to you, I'd love to see some more sources from you, not to call you out, but because it is so tough to find them. My intuition agrees but I dont want to speak beyond what I can substantiate. I think though that I should have been clearer - the Duluth model, so far as I am aware, did lower rates of serious female victimisation (injury), and it is effective at the extreme end of IPV cases in reducing ER admissions. This is just what I have hear…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/08/22 02:37 AM
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The Duluth model became monolithic due to its efficacy. There is a historical precedent for men controlling women through violence, reference regularly in biblical and other religious texts. This doesn't discount the fact that women were also still violent throughout history, just that male violence was an endorsed form of coercive control. The Duluth model's efficacy came from shooting fish in a barrel. It lowered rates of commonplace IPV drastically along a number of decades, regardless of whe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/08/22 11:20 PM
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I also read 'I was most certainly indirectly influenced by hooks' - cue the continual misreading. I gotta start wearing my glasses when I'm on the can haha
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/22 03:05 AM
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Bahaha whoops. Honestly I use this page to shoot the shit. I work in the area and I have nowhere else to hone these opinions so I just put it out here, hoping it'll help shape my thoughts into something more rigid. I thought you were conceding men are intrinsically more violent, but that the rest of your comment stands despite that (which I agree with). I find people dig pretty deep into these threads which is usually good for discussion, but in this case it will only serve to shame me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/22 03:03 AM
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I agree that the numbers don't lie about murder rates, but 'intrinsically more violent' is a difficult phrase to unpack. Some research im trying to work through and assess on its merits is below, but its hard to determine how reactionary these works may be and hence their legitimacy. If we are talking about propensity towards violence, research suggests in IPV settings women actually exhibit greater first instance perpetration/initiation of violence. 50% of IPV cases are mutual physical abuse, w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/22 02:56 AM
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I may reply better tomorrow, as I stayed up far too late last night labouring these points on another thread, but I do agree with most of what you have said. I am still dialing into the tone of this sub, I wasnt certain of the extent to which we are allowed to say the quiet part out loud. I think my point about what meaning has been gleamed (acquired capacity for suicide, access to lethality) was meant to be a very superficial concession. In prevention work, we focus a lot on access to means (ex…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/22 01:30 PM
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I agree on most everything here. Thanks for this exchange, first time in a while I've been genuinely grateful for social media. This is a great subreddit. All the best!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/22 08:29 AM
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Oh and for the therapy, I have had better luck with men. And higher qualifications tend to circumvent the BS that floats around psychological spaces as they have more rigorous assessment of the research evidence base. People with real expertise can usually do a better job of seeing through it. I was lucky that my young male psych is pretty much right on track with me (or at least knowledgeable enough to give me that impression), but you may have better luck with older men. And don't pathologise …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/08/22 04:12 PM
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Re reading your post, I wanna just reiterate to the depressive undertone that I am so glad you're here. There are others just like you hiding in plain sight. They're scared to admit it. They might turn on you to save their own skin or externalise their self hatred. Take it slow, feel them out, ask the puzzling questions when you can. Prod them for answers. If it gets heated, stop, maybe walk it back a bit if you have to in order to save face ('Oops! I am just a man trying to understand how hard …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/08/22 03:58 PM
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I felt the same for years, but over time I have seen some of my private view points be gradually accepted by feminists as they bumble their way to true parity. And somehow that gives me hope (and also a sense of vindication.) This may be controversial, but one thing that helped me is to know that it is okay to dismantle these beliefs silently. Take the chameleon approach. We all have to put a face up to get by, we can't always be authentic. But you can be inauthentic by omission rather than comm…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/08/22 03:45 PM
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I've just seen your edits to the original comment and no, we do not get many of those more horrific stories, we still focus more on refugees and families. This may be because on the ground in Ukraine, people need to know what they're facing and the evil of the Russian invasion. In the rest of the world, we need people to at least remain engaged. This war does not affect us personally (financially perhaps). So we are not engaged by the atrocities, we will turn off. These are not relatable concept…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/08/22 03:00 PM
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I'm not from the US myself! I'm up late on the other side of the globe. But you are right, we do have these stories. But there is rarely a story focussed specifically on the man getting the food and water, if that makes sense. We are more likely to talk about the families who could not leave, the women who chose to stay and fight, the women and children struggling in new cities across Europe. These are important stories but rarely (if ever) do we focus on the men who were conscripted to stay, or…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/08/22 02:41 PM
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I feel you, but I think you kinda missed the first point - it has often been argued that women are the primary victims of war. However, estimates suggest a 50/50 civilian to combatant casualty rate in modern warfare. Even if civilians of both genders experience equal casualties, men still make 70-75% of the total. This is a neat example of the way that is subverted by the media. As to why the subversion of this fact matters at all - I believe it serves media narratives and downplays the horror o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/08/22 01:51 PM
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