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what does "Sexual liberation may lead to civilization collapse" mean to you then?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 03:15 AM
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- OP thinks she's smart because she managed to imply before feminism women in ALL cultures were stoned for showing skin and had FGM. Ridiculous You do know that feminism has been around since the 15th century?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 02:18 AM
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no they wouldn't. Even the relationship sub on Reddit would be telling him to leave
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:47 AM
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- Imagine fighting so hard against a little test. I agree. which is why we should force everyone to take a STD once a year.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:46 AM
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it's not a lengthy legal battle, you take the test and if you're not the father that's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:42 AM
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because the only way you would be paying, is if it's your kid
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:39 AM
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this article is talking about gaining legal parenthood and is talking about people who do wantn that
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:35 AM
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you could always raise your kids instead of being a deadbeat
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:32 AM
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tell me you don't have children, without telling me you don't have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 03:47 AM
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you can literally find those comments in this thread
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 08:15 PM
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Do you think most families could survive if they lost a third of their income?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 08:13 PM
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It honestly sounds like your dad was checked out and you now assume that all working parents are like that. My mother work (more than my father) and she was still there for me. Both me and my partner work and are still there for our children.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 08:12 PM
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. I am in a happy relationship with a lovely woman. Sure you are hun. Again do you think emotional abuse starts with physical isolation? Most emotional abuse starts with creating emotional distance between the victim and their other ties. Such as trying to isolate them from colleagues at work and friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 06:36 PM
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So it's okay if a man expresses these views if he is dating a typical office worker Which views?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 06:30 PM
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You do understand that her being immature by releasing the texts doesn't cancel out that he was controlling and could have possibly been emotionally abusive? Being controlling is a sign of emotional abuse. I have no idea if their relationship was emotionally abusive or not and honestly it's not my business. Somehow I have a hunch the boyfriend wouldn't go around sharing messages in public to try to cancel his ex girlfriend Yep, all women have to defend every other woman's actions If you feel thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 06:27 PM
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A woman telling her boyfriend that she didn't want him talking to any of his female coworkers or customers would absolutely be called controlling and abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 06:06 PM
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You are right cause the red pills can't even find a woman to have sex with them once let alone marry them
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 02:40 AM
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Oof, there are a lot of sad posts over there
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 09:46 PM
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He should have just broken up right away with, less than a year into the relationship and they already having arguments they need a marital counselors help says this relationship wasn't going to work. I think he handled this situation better than most women would have handled it. In my experience women usually communicate these type of feelings by being in a bad mood, until you figure out that something is wrong. Lol, I'm guessing you only hang out with teenagers. Most adults I know communicate …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 09:40 PM
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If you can't trust them to have friendships with the opposite sex, then your relationship is doom anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 09:26 PM
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Lol, yes that's totally the same thing/s It would be more like you met a bartender and then decided that he was no longer allowed to go to the bar for his job.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 02:55 PM
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Because not wanting to date someone who supports a guy, who tried to throw over the government is the same as swimsuit pics?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 01:17 PM
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We don’t know how she was at the beginning, She was a surfer before they started dating
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 01:11 PM
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I get that a lot of you guys on here have very little real life experience but the truth of the matter is that money isn't everything. And equality in a relationship does not translate into a 1 to 1 in terms of $
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 02:17 AM
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I don't think you understand what emotional intimacy is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 02:15 AM
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Honestly I think a lot of people don't care about politics, however I do think it's way easier for a liberal guy to get a conservative woman than vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 02:04 AM
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Is the end goal of dating not a happy marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 10:02 PM
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At this point I'm convinced half the red pillers here are kids who live in their mom's basement.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 10:00 PM
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And yet lots of ugly men are in relationships and have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 09:53 PM
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Yes, that's why they are on here crying about not getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 04:43 PM
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You know the implication of your question is that you literally view women as a monolithic. As in every member of that group needs to be perfect in your eyes or the entire group is morally reprehensible. The truth of the matter is that, just like men, there are shitty women out there. And one woman can't control what another does, nor should they be judged for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 02:11 PM
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If you're falling down the red pill rabbit hole, I would say you're not a nice, perfectly normal dude. These types of groups always prey on emotionally and/or mentally vulnerable people. The same way that any hate group recruits.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 02:06 PM
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Also men don’t come up with cute bullshit expressions to say they are fat So what does 'dad bod' mean then?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 09:02 PM
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why do men swipe on 40% of women on Tinder while women only swipe on 7% of men? Probably because women want to lower the chance of being harassed, when talking to someone new.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 08:59 PM
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But you're not the same person you were at 20, in all likelihood. Most people grow and mature as they get older or at least get better at pretending to be
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 02:51 PM
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I don't know what's more pathetic: Not understanding that checking in with your spouse is good communication or the fact that there are still people out there falling for Tate's pyramid scheme.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 03:06 AM
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But my point lies in the fact we circumcise because women We circumcise because of J.H. Kellogg and American sex purity roots.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 06:49 PM
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Man, almost like a once in a century event happened 3 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 06:27 PM
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The Pew study did not define what single is, so it was a flawed study. When we define single we find that women and men in the early twenties or around the same, 60% to 50%. The 10%0gap has more likely to do with women identifying as queer more and that the average relationship gap is 3 years. Also the most likely explanation of why so many of that demograph are single is most likely economical.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 06:25 PM
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https://ifstudies.org/blog/theres-no-huge-gender-gap-in-being-single-among-young-adults#:~:text=Now%20come%20new%20data%20from,63%25%20of%20men%20are%20single. The Pew study didn't define what single means. Studies that have find that it's 63 to 53 of single young adults. The 10% gap is most likely occurring because women are more likely to be queer and the average age gap is 3 years in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 06:16 PM
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Am I the only one who found this post kinda sad
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 10:58 PM
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Hun, this is the internet, not reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 10:57 PM
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You don't understand why parents validation would matter? i see on this sub is women saying they want men to leave them alone. Yes the majority of women don't like to be hit on most of the time, that doesn't mean every woman is like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 10:55 PM
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my dad is in a private care home and private schools in Britain are far superior to state run schools. Yes, because instead of funding their local community (public schools), money is siphoned off for profit (private schools).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 05:46 PM
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It also destroys communities. Capitalism sees no value in jobs that take care of people (teachers, EMTs, home aides, etc or on spending time and money on things that benefit a community instead of the bottom line ( community centers, time off, better working hours).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 04:12 PM
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You implied that someone working at burger king would have the same access to health care. In the US, insurance makes that impossible. If you’re on your period just say so. Oh hun, did I hurt your feelings?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 07:35 PM
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I somehow doubt that since you seem to think all insurance plans are equal and pay for everything the same. When you get an actual job someday, you'll find out how different insurance can be between jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 06:29 PM
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Yes, but white collar jobs also tend to have better benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 06:23 PM
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The amount of men in here that cry about women not paying their fair financial share, tells me that's a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 06:16 PM
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You've never paid for your own insurance, have you? Even if those Burger King employees are getting health insurance, which most are not, they want to be getting near the quality/quantity that someone in a white collar job would.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 06:14 PM
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A woman working at McDonald's with no plans for secondary education very likely has parents who also work at McDonald's or an equal equivalent. People of that social economic class do not get the luxury of living with their parents for free. They very likely are either paying their share of all bills or even more depending on the health of said parents. Most working class people do not get the luxury of giving a free place to live for their kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 06:11 PM
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The opinion piece you tagged is a blog post just about the double standards of how we view single women and men. The statistics you are quoting have no study to back them up.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 05:53 PM
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Not sure where you are but 70 -90k is blue collar/trade in my area.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:48 PM
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Considering millennials have a lower divorce rate than Boomers, I would say it's going in the right direction. People who shouldn't get married or be relationships are not as pressured as they once were to be married or in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:37 PM
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They think you are more submissive and will be easier to deal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 12:44 PM
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Outside of the generic advice of trying to improve yourself, red pill just gives excuses for already angry, awkward men. For one, do you think these men are actually sleeping with that many women? Is the red pill working? No, it's very obvious that most of the ones who post on here have very little life experience, especially with relationships, sex or even basic adult skills. And number two, do you think the red pill could help a man who has never experienced sex or dating? No it doesn't help. …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 11:44 PM
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This sub has fully convinced me that most red pills really are young guys who have never had a relationship or even lived without their parents. I didn't think that before but there are just way too many posts on here from guys who don't understand basic adult things like finances or chores and why you wouldn't treat your partner like a roommate. It's like a fun house mirror, somewhat interesting and mildly entertaining. Also kinda sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:38 PM
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For most people 15k more a year isn't worth being miserable with someone for the rest of their life. Which is why people who do tit for tat for their whole relationships end up dying miserable and alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:24 PM
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Sure you do, hun. That's why you're on here arguing that raising children is easy and not a job. I never said it didn't cost anything to raise children You implied that it doesn't cost people time and money to raise them. But like I said, I'm sure it's something you'll understand one day if you actually have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:54 AM
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Going back OP's replies he is most likely a teenager that still lives at home and has no concept of money or household responsibilities. A lot of the red pills on here seem to be very young with no idea on how life actually functions for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:30 AM
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In many families, especially with children, who holds money over everyone's head is mother-in-law. This is a really odd projection
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:26 AM
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Childcare isn't work when it's your child. Yes, that's why it's one of the biggest expenses for a family with children. When you grow up and maybe have children of your own one day, maybe you'll understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:19 AM
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In some cultures children also build roofs so it can't be that difficult either.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:06 AM
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You can usually hire someone to do it for less than 15 dollars an hour, Lol, do you still live with your parents? Cause this is wildly out of touch. The only way you're getting someone for 15 is if you are paying cash and they are not bonded.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:51 PM
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Women by and large won't Considering divorce is filed by women 70% of the time, I would say they are Most married women, especially ones with kids, work fewer hours than that. Yeah, it's almost as if someone has to watch the kids. If you ever have children, you'll find out pretty quickly how limited and expensive childcare is.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:48 PM
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No the most basic adult responsibility is taking care of yourself (hygiene, picking up after yourself, etc). That's why it's one of the first things we teach children. By your standard of a guy who makes $100,000 and blows all his money on cocaine and hookers is better at adulting than a man who makes 30k but lives within his means and takes care of himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:22 PM
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I love the red pill logic of the best job for a woman is being a homemaker but also homemakers don't do anything and are entitled. Certainly understand why a lot of these men are going to die alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:18 PM
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No that's the literal definition of breadwinner is sole provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:14 PM
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They're called children in those scenarios because they can't do the basic adult responsibility of taking care of themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:12 PM
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I would like to add to this that we now expect working parents to spend way more time with their children than homemakers did in the 1950s. Letting your 6-year-old run around the street with neighbors was considered a normal thing to do in the 50s, now that would get the cops called on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:07 PM
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Dating another person does not magically fix someone. A woman can not heal your personality problems with her love. That's not how real life works.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 05:03 PM
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What do you think the B stands for?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 05:35 PM
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Yes, because those events are not about dating, they're about expanding your social circle. If you're looking for an event to meet people romantically then you should try an event that's for that, like speed dating events or single nights at bars.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 02:54 PM
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its important to encourage emotional detachement I think the words you're looking for are emotional regulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 02:48 PM
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But for me to be serious and get to that level I would have been vetting her along the way. You don't think women are also doing this?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 09:25 PM
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While no one is a mind reader, everyone tells on themselves eventually. Really the hard part is listening when they do because everyone makes excuses for people they like. Assholes and Cheaters always send out lots of little red flags. Although this honestly sounds emotionally exhausting and defeats the purpose of dating, if you are so willing to continually lie to someone you are seeing exclusively. The whole point of long term dating is to find someone you are compatible with in life, but you …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 09:15 PM
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Sports illustrated has been a very body positive magazine for a long while and has been known to celebrate all types of different bodies. They literally do a naked athlete spread to show all the different types of bodies there are, both male and female. Peterson got triggered, ran his mouth on Twitter and then got upset when people called him out for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 12:30 AM
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So his whole Twitter meltdown over a plus size model was what?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 12:26 AM
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Wasn't he just triggered by a bigger girl on a magazine cover?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 12:23 AM
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Wasn't it something like an IQ over 150 would actually be a detriment to your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 01:30 AM
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When a man says women take half of men's stuff in a divorce, The implication is that they believe anything that is accumulated during the marriage, regardless if he or his wife worked for it is his by default. Therefore it doesn't matter to that type of person if their partner has money coming into relationship or not. They see women as inferior to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 04:31 PM
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You know I find it funny how fast I can get under your guy's skin. Maybe you should work on some self-improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 12:38 AM
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That's pretty much the basis of every self-help scheme.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 12:35 AM
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I would say it meets parts of the definition of cult. requiring unwavering devotion to a set of beliefs and practices which are considered deviant (outside the norms of society). But yeah I don't know if I would call it a cult, maybe a bad self-help group?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 12:33 AM
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What I've learned here is that red pill mostly just seems to be young guys with shitty personalities, who want to blame everyone else for their problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 12:29 AM
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Honestly I'm just here to watch temper tantrums. If anything this sub has made me think even worse of the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 12:27 AM
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Honestly OP, going through your post history I think you should talk to someone about your paranoia. This isn't a normal thought pattern or behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 12:23 AM
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Honestly maybe you should talk to a therapist.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 12:22 AM
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The biological imperative of animals is to reproduce as much as possible however they can until they oversaturate their environment and then create an extinction event by a cascading ecological impact. Modern medicine has made it that the replacement rate is extremely low. We don't need to have as many children, we in fact need for the world population to slow down and shirk. If humanity would like to see 1000s more years, we need to actually think and rationalize. Also you just sound homophobic…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 12:20 AM
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Courting is a type of socialization
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 07:29 PM
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Well when you grow up maybe you'll be able to write one
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 06:48 PM
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It was in the 2000s, when this song came out
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 06:45 PM
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I find it sad that people are this thin skinned.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 06:42 PM
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Most of songs you listed are about breakup and infidelity, just by a female singer.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 06:41 PM
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And they are MILD in comparison So are all the ones you listed. Also Lewis Capaldi
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 06:39 PM
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There are plenty of men in the anti love song genre Bon Jovi: You give love a bad name Def Leppard: Love bites Timberland: what goes around comes around
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 06:32 PM
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OP was probably still in diapers when this song came out.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 06:25 PM
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It's better than by income
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 03:31 PM
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So by your logic a guy who works in construction 40 hours a week but makes less than his wife who works in an office for 40 hours, especially if we factor in benefits, is lazy and should be handling more of the housework?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 03:02 PM
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You need more than soldiers on the front line to actually win wars. If you cannot get supplies to soldiers on the front line, you cannot hold the position. Russia has in fact shown us this time and time again within this war. Like when they run out of gas. Keep calm and carry on was a british saying during world war II because keeping supply right open was how they stop Germany invading. I'm going to stop arguing with you now, cuz I can tell by your comments you're too young to understand how re…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 02:21 PM
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You could literally just Google that, instead of having an uninformed opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 02:07 PM
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''More than 60,000 Ukrainian women serve in the Ukrainian military defending against Russia’s aggression. Tens of thousands more do their part to help their country as journalists, paramedics, teachers, politicians and artists." That's the actual quote from the article you posted. And it's 60,000 active female personnel in an army of 200,000. I get that you don't probably have any actual experience with warfare outside of a game console but it's always sad to see people mocking soldiers putting …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 02:04 PM
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They can, but historically they have not done so Because they didn't have to. Now they do since women are allowed to control their own livelihoods and two income households are the norm. Also we expect way more out of both parents for raising children.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 01:42 PM
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I would say that wouldn't be fair and it should go by hours worked. Especially if one person has to make more career sacrifices than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 01:38 PM
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There were men who still left and there were women who stayed and are fighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 01:34 PM
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There are 60,000 women currently in the Ukraine army. Also lots of men left as well in the beginning and lots of those who left did so because they had children or couldn't fight for other reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 01:33 PM
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I get that this is an alien concept on this sub, but yes there are lots of relationships out there right now where both parties put in equal work. The reason the average is skewed is because of shitty people who don't pull any of their weight in their relationships. Edit: I also feel like these conversations also diminish men down to child-like beings. Men are absolutely capable of emotional intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 12:32 PM
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Everyone has the same responsibility in society which is to try your best to help each other and tolerate each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 09:44 AM
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Seriously, the type of women that are willing to date you are what is in your league. If you are rejected by every woman you hit on then you are batting out of your league.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 06:45 PM
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Online doesn't equal reality. Lots of people love to watch drama so lots of people flock to it to see the train wreck. a lot of things on the internet are fake I believe that group also does post just to warn other women about their Exs also about 18% of people cheat when they are in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 03:29 PM
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80% of the US lives in urban areas and 61% of young adults go to college now.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 02:54 PM
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That survey didn't define what single is. If we define singleness as not married, not cohabitating and not seeing one person long term: then over ~50% of women in that age range are also single.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 02:27 PM
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I disagree. First most people, period, are single in their twenties. And that's because the 20s are a time when both genders use to establish their own livelihoods. People are delaying dating, marriage and children because you need both partners to be established to afford a half way decent life anymore. 50 years ago, you could graduate high school, get a job in your town, a house, and work on starting a family. Now everyone has to use their 20s to build what little wealth they can get, which ei…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 02:06 PM
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You could go to any women's subreddit and also see people with experiences like that, where their partner dismisses them or mocks them. It's hardly common in just in one gender. Anyone can be a shitty partner. Also people tend to go into relationship subs when they are having problems with the relationships. You're looking at selection bias. This would be like thinking almost everyone is in abusive relationships because of what gets posted on the relationship subs.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 05:32 PM
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You ever heard the saying 'meet an ahole in the morning, he's the ahole. Meet a-holes all day long, you're the ahole.' If you're constantly being told how you're talking to people isn't nice, then odds are how you're talking to people isn't nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 05:15 PM
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And yet some of the ugliest looking people I know are married or constantly in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 05:11 PM
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So.... basically you're agreeing with "in women approved ways". They're saying in non asshole ways. The fact you think that means women ways in telling.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 04:47 PM
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So both of the examples you used would not be the type of conversations you would probably have with a significant other. Like why would you be talking about how you can't find women to date to the woman you're dating? Also context matters when we are talking about our problems with other people. Talking to someone can help when you want to vent or work out a solution but that requires you not to be hostile to them for helping you or blaming an area group of people for those struggles. Example: …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 04:45 PM
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You know I come into this sub and sometimes wonder if you guys have ever lived in the real world or not. Like it's normal for people to split rent 50/50 when they move in together or to split it based on income. The majority of people aren't upset by this because they want an equal relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 12:12 PM
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If anything, this sub has actually lowered my opinion of RP. It honestly really reminds me of people who fall down mlm rabbit holes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 05:41 PM
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How do we live in a socially fair world? Yes, we are trying to move towards a fair world in as many ways that we can, but we are so far away from that. In the US, we currently have state governments telling people that are trans that they don't have the right to exist, encouraging people to harass them just for using the bathroom or even harassing cis women who don't fit the stereotypical look. We have state governments telling women they would rather see them dead then let them have basic right…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 12:39 AM
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Most of the viewers are still in the early stages of self improvement Yes because a lot of them see that it's bs and move on with their lives. This is pretty much the same pitch used for every 'self help' scheme.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 07:02 PM
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Please show me where the RPs that are in healthy and happy relationships are. Because every red pill on here keeps crying about how women won't sleep with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 06:09 PM
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Other than the PUA, which works more as a numbers game, what exactly works for red pill? Most of those men are still sexless and single. RP just gives them something to hate that isn't themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 03:47 PM
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You added Trads and Cons to your group of people who don't want to control women, when those are absolutely groups that want to control women. Also the RP side that is into PUA is about getting laid, the other RP side that is about relationships is absolutely about controlling women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 03:25 PM
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Nobody is asking for women to lose their rights to vote, for example. Just the rights to their bodies, finances, and make decisions for themselves. And let's be fair there are plenty of RP that think a wife should only vote the way her husband does.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 02:01 PM
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Successful how? Getting one night stands is usually done with PUA and that's not an exclusive thing to red pill. Lots of people aren't looking for hookups and Red pill is shit at getting men long term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 01:58 PM
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I get that this sub skews younger but Tate's gimmick isn't new. Yes having social media influencers are new to the trend scene and Tate has made a mlm with it but what Tate talks about isn't new and sadly 20 years ago wouldn't ever be seen as that bad. (Outside of the pimping) What do you think politicians were talking about in the '80s and '90s. The sexist talking points that politicians are using aren't new. There was a time in this country where saying you should have consent from your wife b…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 01:25 PM
4

The friend zone is a thing because people have different standards on what they want in a life partner. Lots of people need more than basic attraction to want to date someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 01:11 PM
3

Being more confident can easily mean taking better care of yourself and better grooming. Also ugly and shitty attitude is worse than just being ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 12:45 PM
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So depends on if you are joining your finances or not. Not joining finances then joint bills should be at a percentage split base on what they make. Example: if it's 60k to 100k then household bills should be split 38% to 62% If you plan to have joint finances then you should make up a budget and decide an equal allowance for the both of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 04:51 PM
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I get you are arguing in bad faith here but let's at least not pretend there isn't safety in numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:40 PM
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Not more common than traffic accidents, Yeah and we do things to help migrate that risk. Like seatbelts, speed limits, airbags, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:11 PM
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You've never asked a friend to help with a task you didn't want to do? Especially someone you would do the same for.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:08 PM
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Red pills view anything a woman contributes to a relationship as something that they owe and that they own, whether that be financially and/or domestic. Therefore they see a woman taking her half of the marital assets from a divorce has a woman benefiting from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:12 PM
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As someone who used to go drinking a lot in college (and have been the cockblocker and the one in need of it), if we really wanted to talk to you we would ask our friend to back off. Yes, we even have hand signals to tell our friends to come help when we are approached by men we don't want to talk to. Especially in situations where we know we'll be around more aggressive people. We do it because there is safety in numbers and men tend to be less hostile when it's a third party doing the rejectin…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:04 PM
7

You could literally just Google 'Valentine's Day gifts for men' and fine pages of advertising for them
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 07:29 PM
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Lots of men get gifts for Valentine's day. Have you ever looked at a store's Valentine display? Or any of the advertising for the holidays? Just about every store has a list of gifts for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 07:27 PM
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I read your rant but I don't understand what you think women are tickled truthing about? People cheat regardless of their gender, it's not just a woman or man thing. Cheaters tend to be shitty when they try to justify what they did. Also what does that have to do with the way people act after they break up?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 05:39 PM
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I'm confused on what you think they are getting away with and how.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 05:31 PM
1

Empathy would help you find someone faster than self loathing would
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 03:38 PM
3

I really don't understand why so many people see being single as a bad thing. It's better to be single than in a relationship where you aren't happy or using the other person.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 03:07 PM
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Red pills deem anything a woman does as something they are owed and will never see them as an equal value period. That's why they are here demanding housewives and also calling them lazy gold diggers.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 03:03 PM
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More traditional women are looking for Mr Good Enough (not that there is anything wrong with that), while more modern women are looking for Mr. Prefect Fit ( nothing wrong with this either)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 01:07 AM
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Sure hun. I very much doubt it's a chore you do because the only way it could be less than 30-minute chore per day is if you're half-assing it or eating out constantly. Prewashing, drying, wiping down counters and tables all take time and are done after every meal. I don't even do the majority of the dishes in my house and still understand how it's a time consuming task to clean up after breakfast, lunch and dinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 10:19 PM
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99.9 percent of the time people are done by their 50s, without medical intervention. Yes there are outliers but it's very rare. Sometimes men and women have kids into their 50s naturally but it's not something people should count on. Which is why so many people in high level positions have to freeze their eggs and sperm.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 07:31 PM
1

Tell me you live alone without telling me you live alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 07:15 PM
2

I feel like the average age for the red pills on this sub have to be like 20 or younger, so many seem to be lacking a lot of life experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 07:09 PM
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Age itself increases your chance for health issues, but age itself doesn’t cause ED Lol, so age causes health issues but it also doesn't? Oh hun, take the L and go home. Anyone, male or female, passed the age of 50 has probably missed their chance to have bio kids, unless they have a lot of money for medical treatments. Natural speaking people are just not built for having kids that old, it doesn't matter the sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 07:00 PM
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Most celebrities, ( male and female) have children later in life Usually with the help of fertility treatments because they are building their careers in their 20s and 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 06:36 PM
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But according to nature, men can have children at any age if they are healthy enough to do so and attractive/resourceful enough to find a fertile mate. About 76% of men in their 50s have erectile dysfunction.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 06:31 PM
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Yeah when it's one person and all you eat is process microwavable junk. Try having a family of 6+ that you actually have to cook for. Pots and pans need to be prewashed or outright washed by hand, dishes need to be rinsed off, sippy cups and bottles need to be cleaned by hand and then sanitized. Plus you need to unload the dishwasher and dry rack and put it all away. We do multiple hand washed loads a day in my house and still run the dishwasher every two to three days.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 04:46 PM
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It's not universal. Yeah almost like most people share these responsibilities. And trying to gender code chores is stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 12:39 PM
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I love how you listed things that are a one and done type thing (life insurance) or are things that even many men don't know how to do (sharping knives).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 12:37 PM
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If you have a 4+ family dishes and laundry both take more than mowing the grass and yardwork. Dishes are a daily task and laundry is a weekly, sometimes daily, while the yard is seasonal and one a week
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 12:34 PM
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First you do understand that people who are married don't die at the same time right? Like the odds are that one of you will outlive the other by years to decades. Also you could say all of this about Boomers who still have one of the highest divorce rates. Yet they are still out there living their lives to the best of their ability. It isn't new to be facing your golden years alone. Whether it's through divorce or death people have been facing this for quite a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 06:29 PM
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Divorce can be traumatic for kids, not just because the separation, but the legal mess and conflicts after it. If you are together with someone long enough to have kids then you are still going to go through a legal mess regardless. Custody tends to be the biggest fight parents have whether they are married or not. After that it would be any joint assets, like if you bought a house or car together.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 02:20 PM
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Honestly just sounds like you were a typical only child.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 02:15 PM
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We can't even get a national mandatory ID because of how paranoid both sides are. There's no way you're going to get mandatory DNA testing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 01:54 PM
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I don't think you understand what HIPAA is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 01:52 PM
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The 30% comes from the outcome of paternity testing. Which would obviously be skewed because paternity testing is usually only done when paternity is in question. It would not be a good consensus of the general population. I would also like to point out that we don't know why this 30% were tested. Not everyone who gets a test is told that they are 100% the father. The 0.2% study would be more likely to be closer to the general population but that came from a group that was tracking down men who …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 01:48 PM
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You do know people have one night stands, or get blackout drunk, or even rape. There are cases where the women may not know the father to even contact him.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 02:38 AM
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I would hope people would have the self-respect to stay single if it means they aren't in a relationship they don't want to be in.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 02:32 AM
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The comment chain you're on currently is about when a woman may not know who the father is. Therefore there may be no one to tell or to test the baby against.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 02:18 AM
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It would be a sign that they should probably seek marital counseling.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 02:07 AM
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Would you prefer the word allegation instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 01:59 AM
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Security checks aren't neutral tho. They are literally run as everyone is a threat until proven otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 01:52 AM
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You do know you would need a father to test them against right? Unless you're talking about full-on DNA database for the US
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 01:50 AM
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Most people who are in healthy relationships don't go around accusing each other of cheating. If your partner is accusing you of cheating out of the blue then there's something seriously wrong within your relationship then either needs to be fixed or it's already too broken to be fixed.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 01:46 AM
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Yes and until that background check comes back you are considered a potential danger to children and are not allowed to work with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 01:40 AM
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How would that come out at birth
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 01:38 AM
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The whole point of background checks is that you are guilty until proven innocent. That's why teachers are not allowed to work with children until all those background checks come back.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 01:37 AM
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There's a very big difference between willingly offering something, privately to your partner than mandatory requiring the government to take people's DNA. If a partner is asking for a DNA test is absolutely an accusation. Same as a partner asking for all your text messages, location data, and/or throwing an air tag in your car is also an accusation of cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 01:36 AM
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But if they have a standard birth certificate Do you understand that adopted children have their adopted parents names on their birth certificate right? Birth certificates record the birth and the people who will take guardianship of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 01:32 AM
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France outlawed private DNA tests, you can still get them through the court.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 01:29 AM
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It is absolutely an accusation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 01:24 AM
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Are companies accusing all their potential employees of being criminals when they do background checks I mean, quite literally yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 01:23 AM
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It would be much more palatable to have paternity as one of hundreds of characteristics recorded. Yes I'm sure that won't send us down some kind of dystopia hellscape.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 01:21 AM
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If paternity is in question it's settled in the courts, usually through a paternity test. If a man who was the father did not sign the The birth certificate he would have to then sue the woman to establish paternity but would not have access to the child til then.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 01:17 AM
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I believe they're referring to the idea that a woman would know 100% of the time. Fertility can be a 7 to 10 day window even with a normal period and that's not even counting one night stands or other types of encounters where you may not know the person.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 01:14 AM
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Sure, but men can only test their own children, so the man has to admit being the father to then get a test to prove he is not. Once men sign birth certificate, it is hard to undo that if they find they are not the father. I'm confused on what you mean here. You don't have to sign a birth certificate to get a paternity test, you have to just get a court order. Honestly your whole rant just sounds very paranoid. In the US if you suspect parental fraud you can test at any time if you are the guard…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 01:03 AM
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I mean it's more like telling someone to try pot for their anxiety when they can't or won't get prescription meds, in a place where it's not legal. Yes, it'll be harder to find, you'll need cash and a contact, and it may not be to the quality you want. But it's not impossible. And outside of getting a script from a doctor or just living with it it's what you're going to have to do If someone won't or can't keep working on themselves and trying to find a partner then your choices are to remain se…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 09:40 PM
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Honestly it sounds like you're not taking personality into your number.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 07:07 PM
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Let's be fair a lot of the red pills on here yelling about how they can't get a girl that's 'in their league' is because they fail to add their personality into their score. I have a cousin in law who looks wise is easily a 9/10 and is about 6'3". But he only gets 5/6 in looks for women because he's a conspiracy theory asshole and drug addict. I also have a friend who is overweight, a 5/6 looks and 5'1", who never has any trouble getting a nice looking girlfriend because he's genuinely a nice pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 06:56 PM
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Whereas even the lowliest man before had sole uncontroverted authority over his household. No he didn't. Maybe you should actually take a look at what working and poorer classes went through throughout history. It may give you a little respect for the rights that people have fought for.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 12:31 AM
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Actually men and women support abortion at around the same percentage. It's just that men may not prioritize it as much when voting.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 12:25 AM
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Our ancestors didn't deem such sacrifices to be needed. I mean our ancestors also thought that most men shouldn't have those rights either. For most of western history, poor men did have a lot of rights, younger sons didn't inherit much (if at all), people of color had no or little rights, children were fully owned by their parents. Most of the history of rights is about who should be able to own whom.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 12:23 AM
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Love marriages didn't become common till the 1800s in the west. Staying in a loveless marriage was also common until the 1980s.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 12:09 AM
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Yes I was aware of what you were alluding to. But since you're considering women a possession to use, you may as well just buy a toy on Amazon instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 12:07 AM
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You could just order a toy on Amazon if that's all you want
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 12:00 AM
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You mean other than knowing your partner is with you because they want to be, not because they have to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 11:53 PM
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She was worth more than him before they got married.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 11:03 AM
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Honestly, The older I get the more I think the '50s family centered society was really just a mass trauma response to all the s*** that went down in the '30s and 40s.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 01:10 AM
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Tom Brady, famous NFL player. His wife is worth twice as much as him and is more famous internationally.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 01:08 AM
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Sweetheart, You gave a source that you completely misrepresented. It's kind of like when flat Earther tells me there's no curve to the Earth and then shows a picture of a few miles stretch of the beach. Where does the author disagree with me? Quote him, I want another laugh. Maybe you should read your own article before you post it. Or at least have better reading comprehension.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 11:45 PM
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But you didn't give any facts and you are the one who made the post, therefore the claim and need to defend your position. Have you never submitted a project in school, hun? I'm pretty sure 'trust me bro' isn't a legitimate source in any education setting. Maybe you were homeschool? I'm just confused how you can read a graph and come to a completely different conclusion than even the author did, without any evidence to back it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 11:36 PM
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It'd be nice if you could argue in good faith with actual evidence to back your claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 11:24 PM
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By the way, divorce splits money in favor of housewives We're not talking about divorce, we are talking about the claim you're making in your post with very little evidence to back up. And what little you have, you don't seem to be interpreting correctly. The graph you're using for your evidence very clearly states it's paid work. The article also clearly defines stay at home as someone who is not employed.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 11:12 PM
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women can just not sleep and entertain them if they dislike them so much, I mean a lot of women don't, which is why conservative dating apps don't work and so many men are upset they get rejected if they bring up their political leanings or tried to hide them from potential dates. This sadly just sends these men spiraling deeper into these types of groups instead of getting them to actually self-reflect.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 10:46 PM
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You are making the argument in your post that men work overall more than women from graph 6, correct? Which is where you are pulling the 61 hours to 57 from. That graph very clearly breaks into three categories; work including commute, housework and child care. The main gap between the totals come from hours worked outside the home. If 14% vs 3% of your demographic is reporting zero hours outside the home work it could absolutely skew the total hours overall. This graph is also only being used b…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 10:35 PM
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If for every one stay at home dad you have four stay at home moms, that would very likely skew the statistics on hours worked outside the home. The graph you're pointing out for this is the average. An average is the statistical summary, in one value, of a group of numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 10:03 PM
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I agree that some women do choose it and how two adults decide on how their partnership should work is their own business. But there are absolutely women who get forced into it. Just look at some of our Ultra Orthodox communities, if you would like to know how that happens. Most of them try to keep men and women as separated from the outside world as they can so they're not able to get out. Women especially are susceptible to this because they're not allowed outside the home (which makes it hard…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 09:52 PM
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Women have all power on sexuality Not sure what this means. Let's be fair, we both know what he means by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 09:47 PM
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Is it really too much to ask for people to understand statistics and how they work?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 09:41 PM
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You do understand the fact that four out of five stay at home parents being women would skew that statistic right? Edit: which is why the article that you posted doesn't make that claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 09:40 PM
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The amount of people who post stuff on here and don't understand basic statistics is shocking.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 09:39 PM
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Yes, and again this has nothing to do whether someone is financially literate or not. I really don't understand how you're confused by that. Also this study disregarded anyone who wasn't on their first marriage, divorced, separated, or widowed. Which means it left a large chunk of people out and most likely skews to Orthodox religious. So it's probably not even a good statistical indicator of what income looks like in 2016 for a large amount of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 02:14 AM
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Honestly it just sounds like you're bad at dating. This is no different than when a woman tells me all men are pigs because that's all she dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 02:10 AM
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You do understand what people make per hour doesn't mean they're good or bad with money right?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 06:05 PM
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Do you know what a statistical average is? Pre the article you got the graph from: https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/2020/september/taking-closer-look-marital-status-earnings-gap 'The authors observed that married white men make significantly more per hour than the other groups, while other groups earn roughly the same amount of money per hour of work.'
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 06:05 PM
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The OP has to discuss their opinion in the comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 05:27 PM
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If you read the article it came from, the researcher only used one year of data and are unsure anything can be learned from the fact that white married men earn more per hour As an it's a statistical point of reference not a conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 05:21 PM
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Please explain how this shows that women are bad with money?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 05:17 PM
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You do understand that married women typically take time off to raise children right?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 05:13 PM
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I very much doubt this person has enough close female friends to even know what their financial situation really is. Heck I lie all the time about my finances because I don't want people asking me for money.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 05:10 PM
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Because it's not just a woman thing. Lots of people are bad with money. This is like any other sexist comment that generalizes an entire group of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 05:02 PM
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I honestly find it sadder that a person would rather settle in a relationship then be alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 04:57 PM
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No TRP man believes that they use and mistreat the women they commit to Lots of abusers say that, it doesn't make it true. If your idea of a partner is that they are an object for you to use and keep regardless of their own thoughts and feelings, then that is at least mentally abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 09:57 PM
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And he would get half of hers. The implication of your statement is that you think anything a wife has is automatically her husband's, but not vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 12:20 PM
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Red pill doesn't see women as people. They are taught to view women as accessories.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 12:18 PM
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It's like any other pyramid scheme. The people at the top don't buy into their own shit, they just want to make money off of suckers.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 12:16 PM
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If you can't be bothered to research your argument maybe you shouldn't be making it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 06:57 PM
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Again you've given no references
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 06:34 PM
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No, I'm saying you're concocting a conspiracy in your mind when you have no idea, nor proof why that 30% of paternity tests are negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 06:32 PM
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Ancestry DNA test warns you the results may not be to your liking because people lie and are lied to about their heritage. Also a very large argument on how we track and perceive where in the world a gene comes from. Not to mention how closed adoption was the standard for decades or how much information you lose on your family's history.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 06:21 PM
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30% of tests coming back negative does not mean that 30% of men were told they were 100% the father. People get paternity tests when paternity is in question. I've known lots of people who took a paternity test because there was a chance they could have been the father. We have no idea why that 30% took the test.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 05:57 PM
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The title of the post says to make it mandatory. Mandatory does not equal standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 05:52 PM
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The government shouldn't be forcing people to give up their DNA The amount of tests would create a backlog. Do you know how many rape kits we don't test? Who's going to pay for it? The US healthcare system is for profit. You're looking at a test that would cost thousands of dollars, especially if it was mandatory.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 05:52 PM
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The word you're looking for is routine not mandatory.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 05:48 PM
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My argument is the government shouldn't be allowed to force US citizens to give up their DNA. How is that trash?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 05:45 PM
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You're still forcing people to submit their DNA. As in not giving them a choice when they have not been accused of a crime Lots of people distrust the government regardless of their political leanings. That's why we don't have a mandatory government ID.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 05:44 PM
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And?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 05:39 PM
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You mean other than forcing people to give their DNA to the government?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 05:32 PM
1

80% of the world's population makes less than $10 dollars (US) a day.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 03:01 PM
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But she's also not struggling to find a boyfriend Yeah because she's much more willing to date at or below her own level. I find that men who complain about not being able to find a date, are expecting a woman that is way too above their level. If you're an average American guy, you should be looking for an average woman, which means fat, no makeup, boring clothes, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 02:52 PM
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I would say this to a guy or gal, if you keep getting a certain type of crazy, you're sniffing them out somehow. It's like when someone seems to date nothing but cheaters. You're either given off pick me vibes to them or are attracted to a common characteristic of that type. Good luck figuring out which it is. God knows I see too many people stuck in this type of cycle.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 01:23 AM
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Honestly you should ask yourself why you seemed to be unconsciously looking for those traits in the women you date.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 12:19 AM
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She says all her exs are toxic, abusive etc. - this means she is either projecting or she looks for that in a partner. She has no female friends, not even acquaintances. - it's usually a sign that she can't keep emotional connection to people platonically or she views them as competition She says she hates drama, imprompt. - She will be the most dramatic person and will go out of her way to start drama.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 11:54 PM
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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