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I recommend those two videos for a pithy analysis coming from a third world perspective, way outside Western propaganda. Turn on the subtitles. Wanna summarize it? I'll check em out regardless, I just am growing increasingly suspicious that you actually don't have responses to my criticisms, and it makes me wonder if you're the one with cognitive dissonance here, specially given the number of times you accuse me of this instead of responding to my arguments. Quick summary of arguments that you h…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 07:08 AM
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I recommend those two videos for a pithy analysis coming from a third world perspective, way outside Western propaganda. Turn on the subtitles. RemindMe! 24 hours
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 07:06 AM
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Again, most of your anticommunism is pure unfiltered propaganda. You want people to do all the homework and disarm your terrorized pre-conceptions because you're incapable of employing cognition and questioning them. Yeah, that's what a debate is. I'm happy to do my own homework. However, you claim to be better informed, and you posted the debate topic, so it's weird to accuse me of asking you to do my homework. I have no obligation to buy into your belief system, but I'm still engaging. If you …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 07:05 AM
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You don't get how propaganda works. Most men do not consciously think they have to provide, those insecurities are made implicit by a slew of social pressures that don't exist on women despite their newfound ability to do the same. I misspoke, you are absolutely right. I don't know it's propaganda, because that assumes actors working explicitly to force this narrative, but I agree with the rest of this statement. I've explained in another comment how 'progress' didn't happen out of benevolence, …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 04:56 AM
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I also want to push back against the idea that the USSR was wonderful for addressing women issues. While the USSR guaranteed equal opportunities by gender constitutionally, you seem to be exaggerating the success of addressing women issues. "By the 1970s, while women's liberation was a mainstream term in American public discourse, no comparable movement existed in the Soviet Union, despite gender-based income inequality and a rate of additional work in the household greater than that experienced…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 04:45 AM
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proof is how Cuba has sanctions which make it a lot harder to build anything, since all imported equipment has US pieces on it. That's how dangerous an island applying socialism is to the world's biggest potency. Weren't the sanctions against Cuba due to the lack of democratic process and poor respect for human rights? I'm unfamiliar with why they still sustain and whether they're effective, but I'm unsure if the motive is what you claim. That's the reason 'collapse' is the wrong word here, it i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 04:32 AM
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The whole point is that progressives are still capitalists and can't offer a generalist solution to the problems created by capital hoarding, since it's not really a problem to them. Yes, it isn't. Could you justify why it is, in the context of denying men's issues? Re: Our private chat, I don't think it's a common position among men that they are forced to provide. In RedPill spaces, men are expected to be providers, and in other spaces there is still a base expectation that men provide but wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 10:37 PM
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Why did the Soviet Union collapse, if not under its own weight? Why is it not considered a failure given its collapse? was a very successful concept in which they furthered both genders' intellectual development instead of limiting them by biological restraints. Hence why the Soviet Union produced engineers, scientists, philosophers, and other important roles including both men and women. Source? Capitalism also has done this btw, see the feminist movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 10:24 PM
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At the very least, it seems to be the most effective method.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 08:20 PM
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Sure, I by and large agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 08:19 PM
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That's everyone on the internet. Sorry for your bad experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 05:50 AM
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If you learned that here, then you're conclusions are likely not representative of reality. This is a very polarized space.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 05:46 AM
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Who's spending money on this crap? Do incels have that kind of money? Why are you censoring "incel"? Sorry for making this sound like an interrogation, I'm just mindfucked. I don't expect you to have sources on hand, but any chance you do? I'll check out the subs too. This is fucking fascinating if true.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 05:20 AM
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Really? For what purpose? O.o
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 05:11 AM
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Oh yeah fully agreed. I already know where I stand, and while I'm willing to update my priors I'm mostly trying to learn where people come from, and what the arguments are.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 05:10 AM
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I've learned that scary number of men will throw their entire life away for a female who wouldn't piss in their mouth if their teeth where on fire. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 05:08 AM
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That's pretty interesting, I didn't know that, but I disagree with the conclusion. People need to stop using obscure historical arguments while pretending they have any modern significance.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 05:07 AM
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none of it translates to real life. 100% true.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 04:26 AM
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I'm aware. The men here are way more misogynistic too. Online movements and antimovements have the most extreme people. It's very interesting. You don't often find this level of vitriol even in on-the-ground activists, though maybe that's only coz I never got deep enough into those circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 04:04 AM
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Found it! https://web.archive.org/web/20101125020017/http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-looks-and-online-dating/ Very interesting. Seems like women rate men harshly, but will still message medium looking guys quite frequently. Whereas men grade women much more fairly, but focus their attention on the most attractive. That's very surprising.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 03:18 AM
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Most people here are not average men or women, I'd say.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 03:03 AM
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Oh I agree with this summary. I'm interested in the arguments for academic reasons. I think the RedPill is an interesting internet phenomenon. That's what I want to learn about. My dating life is admittedly sparse right now, but that has to do with current personal complexities in my situation and I know what I need to do to fix that. And it doesn't involve dating coaches, bluepill, redpill, blackpill, purplepill or rainbow gold pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 03:02 AM
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That's unfortunate. I selfishly wish we had more of you guys active on here, though it would likely be a waste of your time. Would be nice for guys like me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 02:12 AM
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The flairs describe blackpill as queer relationships, I thought. I almost put myself there, but I'm heteroromantic, only bisexual, so in the context of dating I guess I'm bluepill. Your comment makes me think that blackpill is something else though. You and a few others also seem to point at something really specific when you talk about BluePillers, which is again contradicted by the flairs. What is BluePill? What is BlackPill? Are the flairs wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 02:10 AM
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Man why do so many people on this subreddit make such braindead sweeping statements? I have opinions and standards, but I am rarely called misogynistic and never called an incel. If all you have are benign opinions and healthy standards, you should not be called one either. I agree it's hard to get traction for conversations on male upliftment.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 01:48 AM
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Oh that way. Possibly true. My main exposure to redpill ideology is from people debating the RP podcasters, and some of those people don't seem to have trouble approaching girls, but I think you're right, I have seen that thread come up a bunch over here.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 12:50 AM
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To be honest. Nothing anymore, and nothing will fill the hole that lack of intimacy makes. It is this perspective that therapy purportedly can amend. This is hoping one therapist can understand me and give me a solution (which most people say the dont do, giving solutions) They don't, but if you find the right one, they can be quite good at helping you reframe the problem to make it easier to tackle. This is just "Accept being ugly" with extra steps and i said it off the table for me to do it I …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 12:38 AM
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Yeah, but you know that the person is 1) single/available 2) interested And you're a girl, of course you'd think this! A vast majority of girls seenzone guys on dating apps. That's not obviously a sign of interest, is it? It's not hard to find out if a girl is single in person, you just ask. Yes I'm an extrovert, I did admit that bias. 😂 But you're missing your female privilege here. If a girl swipes right on a guy, that doesn't mean she's necessarily interested. Just that she could possibly be.…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 12:30 AM
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Thanks, I appreciate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 12:13 AM
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Maybe you're right. I'd rather be safe than sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 12:09 AM
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Are you kidding? Dating apps force you to approach much more blindly! Instead of getting realtime feedback, you get obscure messages devoid of tone or seenzone without knowing if it's something you said or something unrelated to you. It's much less daunting because you can't be seen, but it's much more blind and insecure than in-person dating ever was. I'll admit an extrovert bias. Maybe an introvert would feel differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 12:07 AM
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Then, can i ask you why would therapy help me in any capacity? It can help widen your perspective. So maybe you're ugly. That sucks. What else is your life about? What else is important to you? I'm not saying therapy will necessarily do that. It's fucking annoying, finding a therapist that fits, giving each therapist a fair amount of time to see whether they fit, etc. It's a really imperfect system. But it can work. And once you have a wider perspective, it sometimes gives you tools to deal with…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 12:01 AM
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It's like you've never run in leftist circles. Leftist infighting is a huge deal because strength in your convictions can get you cancelled even if you are civil. Besides, being civil doesn't stop a rando from stalking you. You may be right that some people hide behind anonymity, but your reasoning doesn't follow. The other platforms have more stringent privacy filters. And since you pointed me out specifically as being anonymous, I have no problems talking about these things irl as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 11:51 PM
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Me too!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 11:46 PM
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But that's just normal Reddit etiquette. No one wants to be quoted out of context and cancelled. Or stalked or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 11:37 PM
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Hahaha
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 11:34 PM
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Yeah. It's really sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 11:34 PM
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So why do you frequent this sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 11:34 PM
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The four genetic laws have already been published You mean segregation, assortment, dominance, unit characteristics? Or something else? I hope you mean something else because afaik those don't even talk about behavior, not do they make any claims on nature>nurture. They just show that there exists nature. We have made many breakthroughs cracking the human genome since the 20th century Same with this. I don't understand why people still on this debate when it's always been one-sided I'm going to …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 11:32 PM
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So you have a well rehearsed answer?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 11:26 PM
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It just infuriates me that people assume i havent tried, or tried enough. Didn't say that. Like I said, i don't know you. I dont see how it could help me since i dont want to make peace with being ugly. That wouldn't be why. Hopelessness makes you tunnel vision on the goal. Finding wider goals brings back purpose. Feel free to tell me to stfu, I'm def being presumptuous with my responses. I just feel for you, because I've been in a similar but not same place in my life and this is what I wish so…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 11:25 PM
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So, take a conclusion like say '90% of women compete for 10% of men' then where do you go next? That's just observably not true. Explaining why the conclusion itself is false, the step forward, and get to "women settle for men they aren't attracted to" or do you go backwards and figure out the premises leading to that conclusion being observably false? Both. If you step backwards, you get the fact that it's false. Afterwards, you step forward to figure out why this false reasoning is compelling.…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 11:20 PM
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I know it's easier to assume that there's intention to it, and sometimes there is (eg laws that reduce taxes on the rich because the rich fund you politically). But sometimes that's just you looking for someone to blame. Di Caprio gets bashed for dating younger girls all the time. No way he's shaming anyone from doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 11:07 PM
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I call out RedPillers for generalizing women, so I must do the same to you for generalizing men based on RedPill men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 11:04 PM
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Evidence of 3?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 11:02 PM
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I don't think I could say anything to change your mind, given we're strangers, but I wish I could. Just know that hopelessness makes it difficult to enact solutions that you might see as fairly useful in a better frame of mind. Give therapy a fair shot (which isn't just one session, but several months of sessions). I hope you make it, man. I've been there in the past, and I was lucky to make it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 11:01 PM
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What a chad. I'm following this mad lad.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 10:57 PM
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Let's say I don't. What would I read to convince me that you're right? And how would this conclusion, or the opposite, help me bolster any argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 10:55 PM
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This is some mad levels of inception. Are you familiar with Hanlon's Razor? It seems like a much more reasonable explanation than this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 10:52 PM
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I'm intrigued, I have a feeling you may be onto something here, but I haven't fully understood your meaning yet. lets focus on this subject that is out of line with expectations and so find what doesn't fit. Yes, because I'm interested in telling people why their philosophy does and doesn't make sense. I like approaching these topics with empathy. If I can speak your tongue, I'm more likely to understand you and better informed to tell you where you're right and where you're wrong. I usually try…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 10:45 PM
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I'm curious what made you reject them so I can see if I have citations about it. It wasn't a difference of facts. I one day was disaparaging this dude for sharing posts about men's rights. He was so fucking sexist... is what I thought until he asked why I have a problem with what he shares, given nothing that he said takes away from the upliftment of women. I spent three days infuriated, but unable to vocalize why he was wrong. On day four, I realized he was right. And I was really shocked that …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 10:36 PM
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Yup, tis the plan!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 10:28 PM
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But you sound like also remember when you had to find dates in person… why was that better to you than the apps (pre-Covid or post)? I express myself better in person than over text. It's easier to do when you have real time cues. Facial expressions, tones, etc. On dating apps, I don't even know if I'm interested in the person on the other side. Chemistry is something that rarely comes across. So motivation to pursue 30 girls in the hopes that 1 will date you, when you're not sure you really lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 10:27 PM
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What poster?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 10:19 PM
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I can give you a few. We have a dearth of role models, and the age old tradition on what it means to be a man have been shattered. This is in part because women grew to be capable of traditionally masculine roles like education and earning money. Another part is the blurry line between healthy and toxic masculinity. Men are scared to be what used to be manly, and men don't know what their current role ought to be. Women have successfully imbibed traditionally masculine traits, but men haven't ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 10:17 PM
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I'm quite uneducated on this topic myself, but I'll get there. I was hoping for a community that would help me along the way, but seems that was a high hope.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:51 PM
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Almost no study is significantly relevant to any particular individual's experience, or to any particular interaction. Yes! I absolutely feel this is true! Thank you for voicing this, I absolutely agree that macro perspectives are far less useful when getting personal advice! However, when enough guys step back because they're individual experiences haven't lived up to their expectations, then it becomes reasonable to study it in the macro, to see if their are broad strokes of information that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:50 PM
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Haha
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:41 PM
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Everyone does that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:40 PM
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RemindMe! 6 hours
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:40 PM
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I did too, but the idea wasn't very popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:39 PM
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Eh? Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:38 PM
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Yeah I fucking hate dating apps. I wish I didn't miss the era where meeting people in person was the norm for finding dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:38 PM
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Complain away my man. Just qualify it so that people know who you're talking about. And call out fucks who talk about men without qualifying it. I have blind spots to those kinds of comments because of my past life as a feminist, but they're equally useless and offensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:35 PM
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Okay look, take this with a grain of salt. I have past experiences which help me relate, but I'm not you ofc so it may not be a full relate. Working on (1) ties into (2) and (3). Working on (2) ties into (3). Working on (3) ties into (2). These are all interrelated goals and working on any one brings improvements to the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:33 PM
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I also like to find things that radfems say and throw them at you guys to see what sticks and what is junk, and it turns out that a lot more than I thought sticks. Not everything, again, but a lot. Former radfem here! Any examples? I also found that way too many people believe in things that were debunked ages ago, like the idea that lesbians are one of a woman's greatest violent threats. I did not know this was ever a belief.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:28 PM
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Haha
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:27 PM
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Well that, I always do. I never engage in bad faith. Sometimes I'm rude, but I'm never bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:26 PM
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I have some reading to do on first impressions. I debated with someone here who put me onto reading about those, and it seems like that initial attraction might be much more correlated with securing a date than any other factors. Still need to dive deep into that, it's a troubling idea, but an initial reading doesn't dismiss it. In fact, it reinforces it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:24 PM
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Could you digress further? I've never understood why the nature vs nurture distinction was ever important. It's interesting, but afaik we have very little conclusive understanding of it, it's actively debated philosophically and not very useful as a lens for understanding any human behavior, usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:20 PM
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Eh? But wouldn't that mean they're engaging in shameful behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:17 PM
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Like who? :')
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:16 PM
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I frequent this sub because I love the shit talking I'm a guilty fan of this as well but I also love that it's the only refuge to discuss dating issues between Men and Women. I actually am sad that this is the case. I wish there were more. What's mgtow?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:15 PM
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I actually don't agree. One of the reasons why the RedPill got so big was that there was no movement speaking up for men's issues. Feminists conflated it with sexist talking points (I used to do that too), maybe in the past because people used those talking points to speak against women upliftment. It's not just about sex, it's about relationships. Sex is just one of the driving forces for relationships. If we'd addressed men issues before the RedPill filled that niche, we might've had more holi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:12 PM
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That's why I listen. I don't dismiss ideologies I disagree with until I fully understand where they're coming from, after which I may or may not. It's a moral imperative I try to live by. I don't like the feeling of judging someone without knowing why they believe what they believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:06 PM
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I don't either, I've set a reminder to go look at it. Care to share your insight?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:04 PM
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Also reinforced my previous conclusions that people refuse to educate themselves on stuff they argue about and parade consistently. Not all of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:03 PM
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But also I’ve had a few good discussions, I’ve had sole misguided assumptions and ideas assuaged and I’ve also done that for other people. It’s a net posture honestly, you just got pick which battles you fight carefully because a lot of it’s trash. I've had one or two as well. How do you choose which battles you pick? I think I'm bad at that, I see someone saying something stupid and I let em have it. :P
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:02 PM
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Btw the sub isn't supposed to be just about the redpill, right? Absolutely, but Bluepill is just antiRedPill, and I'm bluepill, so clearly I came to hear out the redpill. I did find a bunch of moronic Bluepill schmucks along the way, but that makes sense when Bluepill means any ideology that's antiredpill. understanding the redpill is very easy, it's evolutive psychology and scientifical data (often taken to the extreme but that's the premise). The "taken to an extreme" is where my issue lies. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:00 PM
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Everyone complains a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:55 PM
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Yo holy shit listen this sub does not match my irl experience AT ALL and many people here agree with me! You shouldn't use this as a reflection of the world, it's more a reflection of the most extreme viewpoints. Yes, we are at a societal turning point, but there really isn't enough reason to just give up hope dude! We're the first generation to confront these vast societal changes, it makes sense that it's hard for us.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:54 PM
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Yeah I'm not a fan of the ad homs either.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:49 PM
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Yeah I was pretty surprised too. You summarized this well. When I was younger I used to make this mistake too. If I hadn't finally pulled myself together and had success in dating, I'd have struggled to reach that same conclusion myself. You learn a lot about yourself and the world by dating. It's honestly tragic how many people struggle with it nowadays. They're missing out on social growth.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:48 PM
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RemindMe! 6 hours
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:44 PM
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Same.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:41 PM
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Because it's a moot argument? Or...? (I agree it's a moot argument)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:41 PM
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Isn't this true of people in general though?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:40 PM
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Solid. I'd add that the concept of toxic masculinity without explicitly delineating what healthy masculinity is has left a lot of men confused about their role. Men are afraid to be men because they don't know how not to be toxic men. Some choose to power onwards and embrace the traditionally toxic, others choose to be more passive. A few find a healthy balance. It's quite strange, when I was younger I didn't care for role models, but I was surrounded by people and implicitly learned from them. …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:39 PM
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Oh wow it sounds like you really learned from this space, that's awesome dude. I started reading this subreddit after having a red pill experience IRL. What's a red pill experience irl? Care to share? Upon reflection I've decided the red pill isn't entirely true, it's more like 75% true. There are circumstances in which blue pill logic can prevail. I agree. The Red pill does get some things right. I remember hearing about "abundance mindset" from RP date coaches online when I was in the debatesp…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:30 PM
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Same.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:24 PM
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It's not an echo chamber, but there's not much real engagement either. Do you disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:23 PM
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Nono, I don't think you should take this away from online spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:22 PM
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Women view 80% of men as unnattractive I apologize in advance, I'm going to scrutinize, but only coz I'm interested. Could you qualify this more? Is that all women? Is that the same 80% of men for all women? Is that most women? Might be faster to link the study, if you have it on hand, I'll read it myself if you're not inclined to discuss. 63% of 18-39 men are single/virgins while only 34% of similar aged women are single Your numbers are spot on, but that's for single men. I don't know where to…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 07:55 PM
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Amen to that
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 07:47 PM
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learned empathy for men's issues is literally 0. I feel you on that. It's so hard to get those conversations off the ground. Somehow advocating for men is conflated with sexism and being against the social development of women. It's a very stupid false dichotomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 07:46 PM
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Yes, this is why I joined. I was hoping more people would be fighting on the studies. I had one good conversation that put me on some good reading, but that seems rare out here.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 07:42 PM
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None whatsoever, life's good on my end.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 07:38 PM
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Oh fair enough, I suppose i misunderstood you. I'm not trying to strawman, so help me out if I'm wrong. You mean there are many society narratives, and Bluepill covers them all? What if someone ignores societal narratives as well as RedPill dating coach narratives? Is that Red or Blue? Maybe black?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 05:56 PM
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I'm embarrassed that we share pill colors. God I hope that they make more descriptive pills so I'm not lumped in with you. You completely failed to address OP's tenet, which was that women are less visuals than men. You just went on some tangent about visuals not being all that matters. You started with "It's true" and then elaborated into "It's false". OP's tenet was that you need to "Just be good". Why are you letting him define your positions when you clearly don't believe in said positions? …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 05:03 AM
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This assumes there is a single society narrative other than RP. Which is not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 04:45 AM
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In every single relationship I've been in, I was surprised at how the things I thought would be important to me prior to/early in the relationship were rarely the things I ended up valuing most in those relationships. Most people, men or women, don't really know what they want in a partner. And this is something you likely know. Don't several of you RPers criticize women for their hypocrisy in dating standards? Why would you take women's advice on how to date women? Very few people can tell you …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 03:48 AM
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Damn well done OP, you just came out and said it! I'm curious what entitlement you've seen on the BP side, that would likely be stuff that my biases have blinded me towards.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 03:39 AM
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This is a whataboutism. Those women would likely be labeled equally entitled by OP's post.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 03:35 AM
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So what's your argument? That men should pay a higher price in relationships? The man gets sex, something he would have to pay hundreds of dollars for even a single session if he wast in a relationship. Singleness means celibacy and no female attention for average men. This is not the case for women. Just these two reasons alone are why relationships benefit men more than women. The woman gets sex, too. I agree it's easier for women to get sex if they wanted to, but it comes at the cost of highe…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 11:58 PM
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Yeah I agree with you. I'm trying to get RP perspectives. Gotta see what the other side is saying before you can decide whether it's something you agree with or disagree with. People say "women do X" and "men do X" here all the time, and the implication I hear is "most women/men", just trying to see if I'm reading that right or if people mean "some women/men".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 09:02 PM
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That is a long winded metaphor which could've been summed up with just the first four paras. Maybe I'm missing something, is there a salient point to the metaphor beyond the first four paras? Do you also believe that all/most women are in toxic relationships with hot guys, projecting the bad behavior on unattractive guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 07:59 PM
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Gotchu. So women are hypocrites, and men don't like them because of this, but will tolerate them to fuck them. And that's of course bad for women as well as men. Are all women hypocrites? What percentage do you think get into toxic relationships with hot guys? And out of those, what percentage do you think wouldn't cop to being more forgiving if the guy is attractive? Do guys do this too, or only girls? Feel free to ask me questions too, btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 07:52 PM
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Let's for a second grant your premises. What's the problem with the hypocrisy? It seems like in both cases unattractive men are getting shafted. So why does the hypocrisy matter? Do you think it would benefit women to get over it?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 04:36 AM
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What does a truly enlightened woman do?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 02:27 AM
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You're wrong. Look at the user flairs. Look at r/TheBluePill. We're literally just those who don't agree with the RedPill. You think the RedPill invented self-improvement? The only thing RP invented in this discussion is a false dichotomy. So many of you people say shit like this "Oh blue is just be nice" no that's not all blue is that's just your grandparents dude. You can't make unifying statements against the BluePill and expect it to make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 02:12 AM
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Don't let him bs you. Look at the user flairs. Look at r/TheBluePill in the About section. BluePill is literally anyone who disagrees with RedPill. Tradcon, feminists, old school life coaches, etc. Is it unintuitively named? Absolutely. Is that by design? Who knows? But it seems to give these RedPillers asserting universal claims about the BluePill the illusion that they're taking down their one true opponent.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 02:09 AM
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Technically tradcon falls under BluePill. Look at the user flairs. Anyone who doesn't agree with RedPill is BluePill. "Classic bluepill" is just a fancy way of saying "normal advice". You're pretending literally everyone who disagrees with you would say the "just be yourself" crap. Which, you and I and almost everyone can agree, is crap advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 02:02 AM
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Lol dude boxing with shadows much? The BluePill was invented by you RedPill people to describe anyone who doesn't agree with you. See the flair descriptions. See the r/TheBluePill linked in the About section. There's no unifying thread for us except that the RP is mostly bs. There are no dating coaches that call themselves bluepill. There are RedPill dating coaches and just dating coaches. Y'all are so assmad that your beliefs aren't universal that you invented an entire culture in your heads an…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 01:45 AM
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I take it back. I fought harder and while we rolled in the mud a bit, it ended up being an excellent conversation that I learned a lot from. And I lost, pretty cleanly. I suppose I'm past the maxima on the Dunning Kruger curve now. Yeah a lot of conversations here aren't great, but I guess I'm glad I made this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 12:11 PM
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The two points I made were not "natural obvious" reasoning. I was quoting you with that statement. "If first impressions are highly resistant to change and are formed very quickly, the obvious natural conclusion is that no, 3-4 hours won't make much of a difference." You literally deferred to obvious natural reasoning. Feel free to walk that back and elaborate on what your obvious natural reasoning is. Your first response is that a study showing first impressions are resistant to change supports…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 02:56 AM
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Yes, but there's no evidence backing that claim. The debate has not been resolved, but a reasonable onlooker would assign this argument more weight. At least, I'd hope so.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 01:07 AM
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Yeah I agree, that's true. Studies don't tell the full story. But they're a good start.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 01:04 AM
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I already explained why they were wrong. "Natural obvious reasoning" does not qualify as an explanation. Who tf would call that an explanation? What madness, to critique someone else's inductive reasoning while unironically claiming that your subjective opinions are factual. Something something live in glasshouses something something throw stones. In fact at every turn when given an opportunity you've distorted or deliberately made obtuse the points made. Name one argument of yours I distorted, …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 12:58 AM
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I just had an extremely disappointing debate in this post that devolved into insults when I pointed out gaps in reasoning, so I'm deflated and inclined to believe you're right. Someone mentioned that this community is 10 years old (:o) and that early on there were a lot of links to sources. Seems I missed the golden era of this community.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 12:40 AM
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I didn't take it as such. My goal was to try and convince as many people as I can to do this is all. Though I won't pretend that my promise alone is sufficient to convince you ofc. :P
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 12:37 AM
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That just happened to me. So you seem to be right.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 12:36 AM
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Not directly, yes. But if men who are wealthier are still likely to lose, there's a fair case to be made that men by and large wouldn't bother. Not a conclusive one, but a fair one.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 12:33 AM
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You're not calling anything out. You shaking your head in dismay doesn't change the fact that I called something out. You may disagree with my callout, but it's tragic that instead of fighting you choose to simply cry and run away. You're claiming a situation that is very close to real life doesn't generalize to real life. If your goal is to pick up women in 3-5 minutes, then yes this is very close to real life. That's never my goal, and not my average experience. I don't wish to continue becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 12:30 AM
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I see. There's a wealth of studies on one side, and not enough on the other. That's pretty sucky. Height: https://repository.rice.edu/server/api/core/bitstreams/75dfc076-c1e1-479e-ab96-cd7d697f2c2b/content Income: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12110-022-09422-2 Social status: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2933005/ I haven't gone through the articles myself, so maybe they're trash, but it seems that if I could find these in under 5 minutes, there certainly are studies …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 12:22 AM
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I was briefly optimistic when I got engagement, but it quickly devolved to insults when I pointed out the gaps in reasoning. So you're probably right. I look up evidence too. But a lot of my best lessons have come from people debating me, which gives me more things to read up on in my own time if the debate is rich enough with information. I'm a mathematician, and I got deeply into the field through this methodology. I'm a big advocate of the Socratic method.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 12:16 AM
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My hope was that pointing out the flaws would get further engagement. Now that I've apparently completed that thread with him as he bowed out, I'm inclined to believe you may have been right, because instead of continuing the discussion he broke into insults claiming that the gap was "naturally obvious". Pity.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 12:13 AM
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To argue that nothing in the article supports 3-4 hours failing to create a meaningful difference just showcases a lack of inductive ability. If first impressions are highly resistant to change and are formed very quickly, the obvious natural conclusion is that no, 3-4 hours won't make much of a difference. To argue that you can extrapolate characteristics of longer term interactions from an article studying 3-5 minute speed dates just showcases a lack of inductive ability. If first impressions …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 12:07 AM
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You're not in a position to evaluate me or the strength of anything. No one cares to evaluate you, I don't give a flying fuck about that, I just care about the arguments. You're just transparently posturing. In all of that word salad there failed to materialize a response to the simple cogent analogical point. I most definitely materialized a response, as you can see. Come on dude, stop being so fragile. It's weird to accuse me of posturing when you don't even tell me why or even which part of m…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 12:06 AM
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You're not in a position to evaluate me or the strength of anything. No one cares to evaluate you, I don't give a flying fuck about that, I just care about the arguments. You're just transparently posturing. In all of that word salad there failed to materialize a response to the simple cogent analogical point. I most definitely materialized a response, as you can see. Come on dude, stop being so fragile. It's weird to accuse me of posturing when you don't even tell me why or even which part of m…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 12:06 AM
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This sub is more than 10 years old :o I had no idea. Like seriously, why do this? Sometimes you can post something if you really just happened to have it open already, but actually doing it consistently seems pointless. Not consistently. Only when challenged on facts of the matter, or when making a DEBATE post. It makes the debates richer. It gives people like me more to contend with.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 11:26 PM
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I promise to never do this if I see you source a claim I disagree with. I will read your source and either concede or show you that your source does not say what you're saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 11:24 PM
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Your entire premise is nonsensical. You don't argue over matters of fact. They either are or they are not. If you want to be a good debater you need to understand that facts are not up for debate. 100 studies confirming an empirical state of affairs requires no further "'argument." Anyone who believes otherwise is profoundly misguided. You've misunderstood my premise. I agree there is only one true set of facts. However, not all people are aware which statements are fact. That is what I mean by …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 11:22 PM
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As the OP, you’ll then end up reading 90% bullshit along with responding to the standard ignorant commenters. That happens even now. If you link studies, you have at least some chance of hooking a big fish. Because even if you have the best point in the world, if it’s unpopular or offensive, you’ll be drowned in ignorance. Not here. Here we have a community with two dominant ideologues. You'll find plenty of support with your arguments, along with plenty of opposition. It's really telling to me …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 11:04 PM
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Fair critique. You can use that when people link studies. It doesn't disprove the article, but it illustrates a possible bias if you show that the agenda is feminist. There are many articles which don't have anything to do with feminism, though. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090513823000831 as a small example.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 10:59 PM
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If anyone would have to rely on data there would be almost no debate because there are only specific domains which get funded for studies. I didn't say everyone. I said every DEBATE post, and it would be nice if people linked supporting evidence in some comments as well, if they had it on hand/on a brief google search. And this isn't true! There are some comments on this post with linked studies, and I wasn't even asking for debate on my post. _^ With that said I do believe the general data show…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 10:56 PM
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And then you can call them out on it. The debate is still richer for it. Some people on this post have posted lovely papers and articles that have convinced me that I'm right about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 10:53 PM
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I'm totally fine with people doing a quick google search to link papers or even scientific articles that support their claims. Peer-reviewed journals ofc have more weight than scientific articles, but both contain content which provide supporting evidence. If people did that more, a lot of us would get much more familiar with more complicated arguments as we fight on the finer points of the evidence. It's the Socratic method. It doesn't yield anything if there's no substance to fight on.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 10:51 PM
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Not all people are idiots. Not all the readers are idiots. I've learned a lot from scouring threads on other debating subreddits, and I'd love to do the same here. I likely will, too, because this post succeeded in drawing out some people who actually do link studies, who I'll likely engage with in the future. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 10:48 PM
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Side note, completely unrelated, but what does your handle mean? It has a nice ring to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 10:45 PM
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If you look more carefully, you'll see his study only covers speed dating. This means that his claims that personality or charisma have nothing to do with it are unsubstantiated, because those likely come out more in longer term settings. And this is an example of the debate becoming richer. Now we fight on whether it's true that personality or charisma indeed have nothing to do with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 10:43 PM
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And the proof is never good enough, and it never changes their mind. Often, but not always. I've had my mind changed by counterevidence to my beliefs plenty of times. That's why I love debate. During the Socratic method I may fight tooth and nail, but post facto on reflection, as long as it was a substantive debate, there's always something to learn. Studies add substance. If someone cares enough to look into it, they will, otherwise no one here is entitled to other people compiling sources for …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 10:39 PM
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when people do post so called evidence it usually isn't saying what they are claiming anyway Which is a valid call-out. nobody is here writing research papers, if you want to question their claims for yourself google exists No doubt, my goal is to improve the richness of debate, and bring up systematic ways to support and challenge matter-of-fact claims. if you take time to look up stats its still not going to change the person's mind anyway, if they actually found what you said interesting they…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 10:34 PM
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I never claimed that people should just accept your study at face value, especially when it doesn't comprehensively support your broader claim. This is part of the process. Your argument is already richer for providing the study, now I can read it, learn, and understand its strengths and weaknesses. We can bring those out better by fighting about it. That's the whole Socratic method, no? You seem to believe that there's a meaningful difference in chatting for 10 minutes versus 3 or 4 hours. Hm. …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 10:24 PM
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You obviously have never had the joy of arguing with a creationist. You could cite 100 studies backing you up and the creationist will launch a series of fallacious "arguments" designed to "pick apart" each study. They have no concept of the weight of the evidence. They will just systematically launch a kindergarten level 'attack' on each study that would require everyone to essentially believe all these researchers are idiots and don't know how to research their own field. Or require one to mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 09:51 PM
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What's variance? EDIT: Your study only covers speed dating and initial attraction. Not "virtually all dating decisions". That's still valuable information, just not as broad as you claimed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 09:39 PM
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You are a god thank you for this community
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 09:10 PM
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Then when I said feminists (you mean feminism I assume) should work for men too as men aren't treated equally, they said no men should do that themselves. I am a feminist, and I agree with your position for what it's worth. Intersectionality, which was borne from feminist thought, is the the study of overlapping or intersecting social identities and related systems of oppression, domination, or discrimination. I won't claim to be intimately familiar with the details of the discipline, but there …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 06:03 PM
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Yes, I'm excited to engage with these points tbh. I would learn a lot from this. u/abaxeron, I hope we cross swords in the future!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 05:50 PM
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Yes. But you can give data on some nonsense claims. "Women are more manipulative than men" is a falsifiable claim if you can show a study that says otherwise. It may not be comprehensive, and you can probably poke holes in the study to show places it doesn't apply, but you can definitely study particular nuances of a very complex problem to arrive at the truth in the middle.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 05:12 PM
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Dude it's not even close to the most important thing for a man to get into a relationship, even if you're fully bluepilled surely you can agree that social skills and social circle are more important than just being nice. Social skills and social circles are super important for the process of getting a girl's attention. I'm totally with you on that. Knowing how to treat her well, how to maintain a healthy relationship, is much more than simply being nice, and is critical to make sure that the re…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 05:04 PM
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I... don't agree actually. Not fully. Let me explain. You can't study many things in the natural sciences in their entirety. Many of these phenomena have too many contributing variables, and many phenomena are vague and cannot be consistently captured. But you can study subsets of these phenomena which help further your understanding of them. You can study empirical evidence. Surely as a geology researcher you understand this, or else how can you take anything about your field seriously? I agree…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 04:39 PM
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Yes, that is definitely true. If the post is intended to be solving dating issues, I would agree with you to a large extent. However, sometimes we're debating facts of the matter, and studies are invaluable.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 04:07 PM
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I know, that's why I was (slimly) hoping to gain some traction with this post, to eradicate those level 0 arguments with no factual basis. Doesn't seem like a popular position though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 04:04 PM
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Why the snark dude? No, I love people who post studies. I want to see more of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 03:58 PM
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Fuck wrong link my bad fam. :') https://mackseyjournal.scholasticahq.com/api/v1/articles/38965-who-wins-custody-battles-the-effect-of-gender-bias.pdf Fair warning, I don't know that it's a good study, it simply is a study that supports your perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 03:44 PM
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Trust me, it helps the readers. I've learned a lot from reading debates. I appreciate you, you're a fucking king.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 03:37 PM
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I've seen cases, but not plenty. See, we have a difference in opinion. If someone has done a study scraping data on Reddit to detect this, that would be invaluable data to resolve this conflict. You ignored the OR, they'll do one of those. Or they push the unfalsifiable claim or they ignore context. I did not. Men do this too. There's no studies that verify survivorship bias, you only have logic that if the costs for fighting for custody is aways more money than you make that no man will fight u…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 02:05 PM
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When it comes to qualitative statements like “men are more X than women” it is pretty much impossible to accurately study. For example, how does one study which gender is more manipulative? That's why you look to studies! To see their methodologies! They may not be comprehensive or end-all, but they're valuable parts of the conversation. Here: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886918305282 A study which claims that men are more manipulative than women, which claims that …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 01:59 PM
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I didn't say studies win the argument. Challenging the study is a productive part of the debate. Studies help us find matter-of-fact disagreements, and those are the real interesting parts of the debate because that's where the truth lies.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 01:51 PM
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Anyone good at debate knows you can minimize and manipulate staistics for almost any argument. And anyone good at debate can call that out. Statistics do not claify reasons or intentions behind a certain behavior which is very important in terms of dating and sometimes prove nothing but the opposite of what someone is trying to argue. Depends on the stats, but that just sounds like a bad application of stats. Regardless, it's useful to argue from a factual basis, and they could provide partial e…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 01:49 PM
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sometimes people ignore stats that don't subscribe to their world view. Yes, but these aren't one-on-one debates. Plenty of other redditors are reading your arguments, and plenty have things to learn by scouring the threads. I'm one of them. I've learned a lot from other debate subreddits by doing this. I always hate the hypocrisy here. Men complain that promiscous women make bad long term partners, but so do people much older/younger that you, but people ignore this statistic because it contrad…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 01:37 PM
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Because women will push the unfalsifiable claim button or ignore context from the numbers they present. Dude, I've seen plenty of men do this here too, why focus only on the women lol. Also, if you have a study, then isn't the thesis falsifiable by definition? So when they just shove some "I know a ugly guy that sleep with supermodels" the discussion is dead because you can't disprove it nor she can prove it making a massive disservice to any discussion. That argument only works if the oppositio…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 01:34 PM
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tl;dr You don't think the average person here knows how to read and critique studies correctly? After responding to many comments, that does seem to be the majority consensus, and I suppose that's understandable. But it's not just about the person you're talking to, it's also about the people who scour the threads looking to challenge their own opinions. I've learned a lot from some subreddits that way, and I hoped to learn a lot from this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 01:22 PM
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Because anyone whose been on the internet long enough knows that even when you post a source, they'll often attack the source then act as if their sourceless counter-argument wins the debate. Yes, this does happen a lot! But other readers can see and decide for themselves. I've learned a lot from several subreddits that way. It's not just about the person you're talking to, it's also about everyone who's going through the threads hunting interesting perspectives to challenge their own world view…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 01:19 PM
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That's one reason why I wish people would link studies actually. It's good for people to see their supporting studies don't say what they think they say. It improves everyone's epistemic bases.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 01:18 PM
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Oh man that sucks I'm really glad you got out of that, and I hope things get better! I'm glad you engage on this sub regardless, that must be hard sometimes. > But ultimately the point I'm making is that a lot of these things, even if you come with a fat stack of stats, are often wilfully ignored or the causes warped into blaming and shaming groups people don't want to talk about (or certainly not in a positive light). People don't understand them, they don't want to understand them, and no matt…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 01:16 PM
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Sure, there are some ideas which are quite universally accepted. I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone disagree with that example. The problem arises when people use that same attitude on opinions that are much less obvious. We all have base beliefs, and we all think many of them are self-evident. However, this is a community where the two main ideologues don't agree on a lot of base beliefs! "Women are more manipulative than men." I don't know that that's true. I've known plenty of slimy…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 01:06 PM
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I think every DEBATE post should include citations. Every comment, not necessarily, but if requested should be provided, or at least admitted that there is none. And there needs to be more acceptance when people show studies that contradict your opinion, or at least good faith attacks on the source. At least that's what I'd like.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 12:20 PM
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Because a lot of the negative experiences and their causes are poorly researched, and tend to be encountered by underappreciated and frequently dismissed minorities, so are unusual/personal and undocumented. I don't know which experiences you're referring to, but if that's true that's totally fair. ...and because even when I do provide stats I'm talked over, ignored, insulted, invalidated, and blamed anyway, so people clearly don't want to acknowledge or understand those people and experiences. …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 12:17 PM
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For suppporting arguments. I think women should dress more modestly? Why? It would reduce sexual violence against women. <links supporting evidence> If it doesn't contain any substance, it's a discussion, not a debate. Attack the sources. This journal is known to publish poor quality articles. <cite supporting evidence> This study only has a sample set of 5. This study claims X, but your claim is Y. It separates opinion from fact. Opinion is not something that we can typically falsify. Fact is. …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 11:42 AM
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There are situations where you ask people for evidence not because you necessarily disagree with them, but simply because you don't think there is any basis for the claim they're making. They might be right, but there is no reason to believe they are or aren't, so it's impossible to evaluate without proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 11:11 AM
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That's reasonable, but don't you think that doesn't lead to productive debate? It's just people talking past each other, there's very little real learning or engagement.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 11:07 AM
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Yes, you're absolutely right. My broader question is, can we do anything to foster higher quality debates? Ideally I'd like the mods to step in, but in the absence of that, what can we do? It's particularly interesting that often, this type of person asks a poster for evidance however doesn't provide evidence for their own. I don't think this is particularly problematic, tbh. If someone makes a claim, asking them for proof is par for course. Ofc you could ask them for counterevidence, but I'm no…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 10:52 AM
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I linked you the post because I was hoping to have a different discussion. I have no intention of engaging with you until you provide facts that are falsifiable so we can actually argue in good faith. I wish I could do better, but my ex manipulated me into believing I shouldn't listen to dumbfucks who have no points but false bravado and I can't undo my programming.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 10:26 AM
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Then asked why only one, give another. Did they give reasons to reject your article? Honestly, I agree that people do this. This is a change that can only happen if the mods decide to start enforcing rules on this. Until then, debates are bound to be futile. Not saying the mods have a responsibility here, though, I'm sure they're busy with their day jobs. However, this community is just essentially two circlejerks screaming nonsense at each other until we get some form of moderation on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 10:21 AM
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Thank you, I really appreciate this!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 10:01 AM
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Is this subreddit filled with nothing but sweeping generalizations with no backing data? How skilled do you think an average woman is at manipulation? How pliable do you think an average guy is? Why the actual fuck do you think what you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 09:25 AM
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The difference is they don’t get shamed and ridiculed because at the end of the day they can freely blame men for all of their failures and be openly misandrist without any mainstream pushback while redpill men are constantly mocked and shamed for having their opinions. No bro, the difference is that she isn't as popular. JustPearlyThings is (was?) a redpill female streamer who got absolutely ridiculed and shamed for her braindead takes. RedPillers get shit on because a lot of their views on gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 04:28 PM
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So in a consumer obsessed society, it's as okay being a gold digger as it is to be a sex manslut? To be clear, I see nothing wrong with either as long as you're not being manipulative.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 06:17 PM
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Dating apps Yup. They kinda suck. and then deciding all third places are off limits for approaching. This I think is a net positive. It's not like there are no places where us guys can approach women. Social venues are totally fine, right? But if you don't want to be hit on when walking on the street, maybe that's okay? There was a really nice post I saw which I thought was interesting. But it's not like it was a group decision or a conscious one. It's just a natural result of dating apps existi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 05:04 AM
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It's just that while women got a massive dose of equality and were given the freedom to step out of those traditional gender roles, men never got that same freedom. Men are still by and large forced to be the ones to approach, forced to be the ones to woo her, are still largely expected to be the ones to plan for and pay for dates, and while many women do not mind and want to split the cheque, many women will still punish men for failing to pay, so men have no idea which way to play the dating g…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 03:46 AM
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This was caused entirely by women and women's choices in how to change the dating game, and they took the opportunity to make the dating game better for themselves in almost every way, while leaving men out to dry. I agree that most of the rest of your comment. But why do you think this was caused by women? What opportunity did women take?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 09:12 AM
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Well yes but no one said "random stranger on the road". There are some settings when approaching isn't inappropriate, like in social venues and stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 09:09 AM
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I wonder if that's true though. Most of my female friends don't report feeling so uncomfortable with it. I'd actually love to see reliable numbers on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 08:59 AM
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He doesn’t get to stop taking care of himself and his home just because he got married. Neither he nor she does. However, once they move in, if she's not working but he is, she obviously has to take up more of the housework since he's taking the duty of earning money. If he's not working but she is, he would have to too. Once you move in with someone, you share responsibilities. Neither partner is allowed to freeload. If you read my original comment carefully (the one you initially replied to) y…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 01:46 PM
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Damn this is so entitled notice how you won't answer the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 07:41 AM
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Just because you're capable doesn't mean you ought to. Responsibilities ought to be equally divided among adults in the household as far as possible. Adults deserve their down time too. One of the lovely things about having a partner is that you guys can work together to make both of your loads easier. Also I'm assuming the kids add responsibilities, so the fact he can do some things prior doesn't mean he can definitely take care of himself plus kids later, depending on his job. What's your issu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 07:40 AM
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I don't think this happens as frequently as some people here insinuate is all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 10:55 PM
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I've decided I'm going to start calling posts out for making wild assumptions with no justification. Please clarify, do you mean all women, most women, some women, or few women? Which women do you think do this, and why do they bother you? This is why marriage is pointless If you believe looking at other guys is cheating, if you believe talking to other guys is cheating, then yes marriage is pointless for you. I don't understand at all why you believe this. Is this something you want to debate, …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 12:13 PM
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What a silly question. Not all women, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 10:46 AM
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You should vetting for virtue at all times, regardless if you got your foot through he door or not. This is exactly how a lot women wonder how they end up in relationships with dudes who don't know how to wipe their own asses, too focused on how they initially make them feel. I don't disagree, but I do think you need to be vetting for more than virtue. I agree that people on average are probably biased a bit far from that though. For there's no such thing as too much cooperation, what you're des…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 07:59 AM
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Okay. Going to push you a bit more on your perspective. Men who don't complain about loss of love and romance in a divorce -- they complain about loss of money, options, time and control over their kids. Do you think that men who complain about loss of money, options, time and control over kids aren't emotionally upset about the divorce? Even if they've fallen out of love with their partner, all those seem like valid reasons to be upset, especially the point on kids. I would imagine women would …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 08:09 PM
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Oh. Understood, thanks for clarifying! You're not talking about men complaining how divorce hurt them, you're talking about men complaining about how divorce hurt their pockets. Men don’t complain about loss of love and romance in divorce — they complain about loss of money, options, time and control over their kids So you mean "Men who don't complain about loss of love and romance in a divorce -- they complain about loss of money, options, time and control over their kids."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 06:53 PM
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Look, I'm sorry you know such shitty men but I don't think your claims are true of even most men. And also it's pretty shitty of you to make those comments as a reply to me talking about how people feel. There's no way you don't see how that's basically an attempt to invalidate my comment. If you want to debate our difference in opinion we can though. I don't know if studies on this exist, but we could dive into the literature and find out.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 05:35 PM
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Fair fair, felt attacked coz you said that in response to my message which literally waxed poetic about how people feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 05:29 PM
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Dude fuck those men. Please don't associate them with me. Kinda rude.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 05:23 PM
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I don't really care what you believe. I actually take offense to this. You're literally womansplaining how men feel to me. I know you probably don't mean all men, but I don't even think this is true of most men. So I will tell you that's bullshit. Men aren't conditioned to talk about our feelings, but that doesn't mean we don't have any.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 05:21 PM
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There's nothing to debate in this post. It's all just some opinionpost. Could you more clearly specify what you believe your points are, so that people can choose to fight you or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 11:36 AM
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Wild that I've never met someone like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 11:30 AM
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Or they kill themselves after divorce because they feel like a failure. Do you really not understand why, or do you simply wish for people not to? Because the why is extremely straightforward. And I'd like for people not to either, but that's not exactly simple. A relationship is an investment into a person. You give your time, your emotions, your money, pieces of who you are. You become someone for that person. When the relationship ends, I'll agree that it doesn't mean there was no value to it…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 11:25 AM
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But they do. Else they wouldn't care about the body count of wome. And who the ideal woman is. They would be encouraging women to sleep around, not discouraging it. Unless I misunderstand, that comes from a place of wanting to have your cake and eat it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 07:34 AM
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No, actually. Read the flair descriptions. Blackpill are people who are queer, pansexual, etc i.e. don't subscribe to heteronormative relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 10:33 PM
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I think the RP misrepresents data to promote incorrect ideas on how to engage with women. They raise some interesting ideas, but by and large, many of the leaders of the movement don't seem to have ever talked to women. And they never talk about long term relationship advice, just how to land a relationship (though not all their advice is good). They demonize feminism because their tactics do not work on women who identify as feminists, by and large. At least, a feminist would probably not stay …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 10:30 PM
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Yeah, coz I disagree with most RP. But I didn't know BP was a separate thing. If it is, I need to listen to them and see if I agree. If BP is simply rejection of RP, then BP never did exist before. Then your claim that no one is fully BP is really just saying "no one's 100% disagrees with every word of RP". Which is fucking obvious? It would be incredible if any dating philosophy managed to get literally everything wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 05:59 PM
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How do you figure? I'm Gen Z. I'm pretty average lookwise. Then again, I thought Bluepill was just rejection of redpill, so maybe I'm not team blue.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 01:39 PM
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Are there even Bluepill podcasts? I thought Bluepill was just rejection of Redpill. Maybe I'm not Bluepill haha
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 01:36 PM
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You have to ask the right questions, how does he handle conflict, observe how he interacts with people, who is he hanging out with, what’s his career, what is goals, and make him wait for sex. But all that takes work and requires putting aside immediate spark. Yes, and that's what happens in long term relationships. Like I said, virtue is useful once you have got your foot through the door. Cooperation and humility, are traits that correlates with agreeability and compromise. However, from my pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 12:50 PM
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No one said all women are. I personally think it's fine for you to point this out, specially on this sub. But I also think that if someone said "not all men are like this" in response to men criticism they'd get called sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 08:27 AM
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In many households, yes. However, we probably agree that's not right either.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 08:17 AM
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Interesting, thanks for the link!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 12:53 AM
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Men are much more likely to be satisfied with their experience and finish than women are. Is this true? I've always suspected that men just like the rep of having satisfying sex more frequently than they actually have satisfying sex, particularly with strangers. Some men don't finish. Some men finish early. I doubt anyone likes either of those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 11:37 PM
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Well, yes, if forced, men do take care of homes and kids. However, if your partner is a stay-at-home wife, then doing 20-30% of that work plus working fulltime seems pretty damn reasonable to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 11:23 PM
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So how many women have you spoken to for longer than, say, 100 hours? No disrespect meant, just trying to gauge how your experience so completely diverges from mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 10:32 PM
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Wow that's a lot more specific than I expected. Props to you for knowing what you want I suppose. I won't fight your definition of good woman or man, that's obviously personal to you. But I def don't agree with some of your predictors, so let's fight about that. Tattoos are an artsy way of expressing yourself. They're very common nowadays. Why is having a tattoo an indicator that you're not a good woman? Why doesn't that standard also apply to men? Why low body count for women and not for men? I…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 07:55 AM
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Yes, the supply of good men are dropping because having virtues isn't needed or rewarded. Which virtues? Why do you think this? My experience tells me that having a strong set of personal virtues may not get your foot through the door, because that's difficult to broadcast, but works wonders for sustaining a relationship long term. Not to mention men with those disposition are more willing to compromise and have high agreeability. Depends which virtues you're highlighting. There has been multipl…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 07:49 AM
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Are you only talking in the context of serious dating? What about friends? What about casual hook ups? What about interesting conversations with strangers?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 10:34 PM
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Do you believe this is universally true?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 08:53 PM
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This is a pretty dishonest dichotomy you're drawing. You: You dont need to date then for them to socially ostracise you, start rumours about you or turn people against you. u/Safinated: I neither fear nor care about such things You: Then you shouldnt fear about men either. Your conclusion does not logically follow. Here are some reasons why: I'll grant that women manipulate/bully more than men commit SA. Given the choice between a small chance of SA and a larger chance of being bullied, which wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 08:25 PM
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Untrue. Men are more likely to commit SA. Men are more likely to be able to physically overpower a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 07:36 PM
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Men are more frequently SA perpertrators, men are more likely to physically overpower a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 07:34 PM
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Do you think the supply of good men is also dropping? New here, not super familiar with redpill vs bluepill, but wary of people who make broad sweeping claims like yours. Also is there a universally accepted definition of what a good woman is? Does the redpill prescribe features which you claim determine whether a woman is good?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 07:24 PM
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