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| 1 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)That Johnson definition is correct. So there you go, you found a source. Johnson has a PhD in Sociology from the University of Michigan, so he's probably a deeper thinker on the subject than you or I. I'm assuming you found that on the wiki page for 'misogyny', in which case you can see that it came from The Blackwell Dictionary of Sociology, and there are several other definitions quoted on the wiki page which back up Johnson. It also quotes Michael Flood ('an expert on issues of fatherhood and… | /r/MensRights | 29/01/13 01:43 PM |
| 1 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)These are not feminist terms, they're sociological terms. You don't seem to have read much sociology so it's not surprising they're unfamiliar to you. Go do some academic reading if you want to see the justifications for the sociological definitions. Harvard has free online sociology courses, as do other places, go check them out. Those issues I give as examples of classism do affect women (including conscription in some countries). And no that's not sexism, it's still classism. Rich women don't… | /r/MensRights | 27/01/13 02:49 PM |
| 1 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)This is the last reply I'm going to write. Those definitions are from lay dictionaries, so they don't have the meaning used in sociology. I could link to various people answering your questions but you'd most likely deny that they were objective. Feminists do criticise the benefits of the patriarchy for women, there's a term for it: benevolent sexism. They don't describe the patriarchy as a system 'made by men to oppress women'. It's a system which gives men privilege over women, men aren't blam… | /r/MensRights | 26/01/13 07:01 PM |
| 1 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)NAME THEM. Specifically, any word that conveys 'counterpoint to misogyny' as well as misandry does. There is no male counterpoint to 'misogyny', because misogyny is institutionalised oppression. But it's fair to say men face 'discrimination', 'hatred', 'stereotyping', 'gender policing' and more. But again, this is just semantics. Your gender doesn't matter to what ideology you choose to believe in. Yes, what I meant was that as a man I am not on the opposite side to you (I assume you're a man to… | /r/MensRights | 25/01/13 01:31 PM |
| 1 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)Does anyone, ANYONE, define misogyny in the same way? As being inextricably tied to societal oppression? I asked this question too, and the answer was that from the way MRAs generally talk about misandry it's clear they are talking about societal oppression. Personally, as a man, it's not something that bothers me because it's just semantics. There are other words we can use for when someone hates men on an individual level, so whatever. Oh, our side is technically incapable of what we accuse yo… | /r/MensRights | 24/01/13 09:58 PM |
| 1 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)Why wouldn't they care? I already said, feminism's validity doesn't rest on your belief in it, that's why they wouldn't care. So then why do so many feminists, when I point out bad behavior in their circles, tell me that those people aren't really what feminism is? Yes you've caught them in an effective rhetorical trap. They gave the wrong answer. I would be more impressed by that if I had ever in my life heard the term 'virgin shaming' before you mentioned it. But you've heard of the actual thi… | /r/MensRights | 24/01/13 11:17 AM |
| 1 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)directly relates to the perception of feminism itself. If I am to believe that they are for equality, I want to see it demonstrated. Why should feminists care what you believe about them? Its validity doesn't depend on you or anyone else having a positive view of it. Citing 'no true scotsman' arguments doesn't work here, because there is no such thing as a 'true feminist' in the first place. Anyone can call themselves a feminist. For a recent example of feminists talking about male issues see th… | /r/MensRights | 23/01/13 01:17 PM |
| 0 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)No it wouldn't. Being a feminist doesn't require someone to tackle every issue. This argument is like saying someone can't be an environmentalist unless they protest a specific issue close to your heart like shale extraction. Other people have other issues they want to focus on. | /r/MensRights | 22/01/13 10:21 AM |
| 1 | Why "Patriarchy" Gets Our Goatsthe typical feminist presumption that how people in the first set of circumstances are treated is more important And it's a typical incorrect assumption that the theory of oppression dismisses the woes of unoppressed people. And it's typical to ignore classism in the woes of lower class men - the ones who can't escape military service or can't pay for expensive mental health therapy aren't oppressed by women, they're oppressed by capitalism. Wars are overwhelmingly waged by rich men who don't se… | /r/MensRights | 02/01/13 04:38 AM |
| 2 | Why "Patriarchy" Gets Our Goatsthe oppressed/privileged dichotomy It's not a dichotomy. A dichotomy is something like jewish & gentile; everyone is either jewish or gentile, and nobody is both. With oppression, people can be oppressed in one way and privileged in another. For instance, an able-bodied asian man may be oppressed because of his race, and also privileged in that he's not disabled. | /r/MensRights | 02/01/13 12:46 AM |
| 2 | ... And I pay for condoms, will feminism buy me those?Where is that? | /r/MensRights | 02/01/13 12:36 AM |
| 1 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)Of course they can. Poor men are oppressed for being poor, black men are oppressed for being black, disabled men are oppressed for being disabled etc. | /r/MensRights | 01/01/13 09:37 PM |
| 0 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)They can, I just said so. | /r/MensRights | 31/12/12 06:51 PM |
| 0 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)Individual men can be oppressed though. So? | /r/MensRights | 31/12/12 05:54 PM |
| 1 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)You don't have to ignore them and I'm not suggesting you do. | /r/MensRights | 31/12/12 05:39 PM |
| 0 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)I have no idea how that's a critique of anything. | /r/MensRights | 31/12/12 05:32 PM |
| 1 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)What you're saying applies to pretty much every political label. We have rough, mutually agreed upon definitions for words. Such is language. | /r/MensRights | 31/12/12 05:30 PM |
| 0 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)I'm excluding any unofficial group from that responsibility, including the MRM. | /r/MensRights | 31/12/12 05:21 PM |
| -2 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)I've just googled 'apex fallacy'; this is so stupid. Wow. I also note that all the results come from MRA blogs rather than reputable sources. | /r/MensRights | 31/12/12 05:17 PM |
| 0 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)What's a meaningless label? I don't know what you're talking about because you're using meaningless words :P But seriously, without any authority on what social or political groups can call themselves there's no-one to clearly define such labels, other than various academics. I certainly find them useful. If you don't then feel free to avoid using them. | /r/MensRights | 31/12/12 05:00 PM |
| 1 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)It's just an example. Use another example of telling men they need to conform to male gender roles if you like. | /r/MensRights | 31/12/12 04:54 PM |
| -1 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)It's only oppressive when it happens to a minority, and men aren't a minority. That's sociology 101, and no it doesn't mean individual actions aren't 'as bad' just because they aren't oppressive. | /r/MensRights | 31/12/12 04:53 PM |
| 0 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)Maybe you assume these other groups have 'a responsibility to self-police', but I don't. It's an impossible burden to satisfy given that anyone can call themselves a republican, an atheist or whatever. The only groups that have that responsibility are those that can restrict membership, like say Catholic clergy. | /r/MensRights | 31/12/12 04:49 PM |
| 0 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)Yeah, all labels for groups of people are fairly useless. They're better than nothing so we try to use them when its helpful, but it's important to remember the label doesn't define the group. | /r/MensRights | 31/12/12 04:45 PM |
| 0 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)I don't understand. Nobody has the responsibility to do anything to combat hateful human ideas, except that responsibility which they take upon themselves willingly. | /r/MensRights | 31/12/12 03:28 PM |
| 1 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)Feminism isn't a distinct group that one can be kicked out of, for a start. And yes you can be criticised for being 'too mean' to men. For instance, feminism is broadly opposed to gender roles and so feminists would generally be opposed to someone who was 'gender policing' a man by telling him to 'man up'. They wouldn't class it as oppressive, but it's still wrong. | /r/MensRights | 31/12/12 03:21 PM |
| 0 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)I never denied bad feminists exist. Every group has bad parts, I think I said that earlier too. | /r/MensRights | 31/12/12 03:19 PM |
| 0 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)It's not; they choose to. | /r/MensRights | 31/12/12 03:15 PM |
| 1 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)I don't think it's any group's job to put out the fires started by the outlier nutjobs That's good, many people here seem to disagree. Feminism is simply older, bigger and more widespread than mens rights, and so therefore is unavoidably going to have more bad people who identify as feminists. | /r/MensRights | 31/12/12 01:56 PM |
| 1 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)Well you misunderstand the definition of radical feminism. Just giving the wiki definition here, it's a "perspective within feminism that focuses on the theory of patriarchy". The 'radical' part is the view of the patriarchy as an underlying system of oppression, contrasting with other 'feminisms' which are "opposed to legal systems (as in liberal feminism) or class conflict (as in socialist feminism and Marxist feminism)". So yes, the feminism movement may well be run by radical feminists (I ho… | /r/MensRights | 31/12/12 01:48 PM |
| 1 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)I am literally debating with MRAs right now in this thread. | /r/MensRights | 31/12/12 01:38 PM |
| -2 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)There's no banner of feminism; anyone can call themselves a feminist if they want. | /r/MensRights | 31/12/12 01:36 PM |
| -1 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)I do, the advice applies to everyone. If you argue bullshit because they argue bullshit you're both failing to advance the debate. | /r/MensRights | 31/12/12 03:53 AM |
| -7 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)Therein lies the dishonesty: Monsters in kids' closets aren't real. They're the product of a frightened child's imagination. Misandrist feminists actually exist, It's not dishonesty; the Hark author is talking about a different thing. What you're doing is akin to defending scaremongering about terrorism by saying terrorists exist. We know they exist; scaremongering can still be criticized. feminists typically do not criticize them for is their misandry Why would it be feminists' responsibility t… | /r/MensRights | 31/12/12 03:47 AM |
| -9 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)Way to stand behind your words. In the future, if you want to be taken seriously you should argue with the best that your opponents have to offer, not the worst. | /r/MensRights | 31/12/12 12:56 AM |
| -8 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)Proves what point? I just have no idea if this is a real or hypothetical situation. | /r/MensRights | 31/12/12 12:51 AM |
| 1 | "The End of Men and the Rise of Women." This is not gender equality! This is sexism!There is nothing preventing a woman from learning to operate a power plant, or even to build one. But can you do it? What skills do you personally have? There are female engineers. Women are equally capable of running power plants, and many do. Just last night I was out with a friend who works at a nuclear power plant with female colleagues. | /r/MensRights | 31/12/12 12:47 AM |
| 2 | "The End of Men and the Rise of Women." This is not gender equality! This is sexism!Feminism sucks lol. So, what happens now? | /r/MensRights | 31/12/12 12:41 AM |
| 4 | A rebuttal to "Hark! A Vagrant"'s Strawfeminism argument. (Bonus: Guess the protest I'm alluding to!)The point of the Hark A Vagrant comic is that strawfeminists are used as bogey men to scare people; thus the 'monster in the kids' closet' theme. Note the over-the-top phrases they use. It is not saying there are no shitty radical feminists. Certainly feminists themselves don't think this, in fact there is a lot of criticism levelled at certain first and second wave radical feminists who are seen as classist, transphobic and racist in the way they fought for the rights of only a select few women… | /r/MensRights | 30/12/12 11:27 PM |
| 1 | Don't be THAT girl - 2That is a form of lying. This isn't even my final form! | /r/MensRights | 30/12/12 08:02 PM |
| 23 | Don't be THAT girl - 2False rape accusations are a few percent, similar to false reports for other crimes. | /r/MensRights | 30/12/12 03:59 AM |
| -2 | New poster to spread false rape accusations awareness.There's a magical place We're on our way there With toys in their millions All under one roof It's Called Toys'R'Us! Soon after bedtime When dark nightime falls Geoffrey and helpers stock up on the shelves From ceiling to floor Books Boardgames and Bikes Teddies, Puppets and Dolls Bats, Spaceships and Trikes There's Millions says Geoffrey All under on roof It's Called Toys'R'Us! Toys'R'Us! Toys'R'Us! Toys'R'Us! | /r/MensRights | 17/06/12 12:23 AM |
| 1 | Lesbian PUA who picks up straight women [video]Yes fair point. I've tried it to some extent, but yeah it's worth evaluation whether it's my execution or the idea itself that I'm not keen with. | /r/seduction | 17/01/12 11:42 PM |
| 1 | Lesbian PUA who picks up straight women [video]Yeah that seems like a much better approach; then she probably feels that you're prolonging the touch because of mutual interest. | /r/seduction | 17/01/12 11:22 PM |
| 2 | Lesbian PUA who picks up straight women [video]Is the hand holding thing really a good idea? I don't know if I'm just sensitive, but if people do that to me I find it awkward, almost invasive. I noticed it on the video and thought "Oh god, she's doing the hand holding thing..." it's creepy. Even before I knew about PUA I associated it with being manipulative. The only people who hold your hand like that without ulterior motives are real old folks. | /r/seduction | 17/01/12 11:04 PM |
| 1 | How do you go from one night stand to first date?dude i think you have what is called game | /r/seduction | 09/07/11 10:08 PM |
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