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Question For Womennonquitt/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 07:19 PM
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Need higher wages and wealth creation opportunity for folks lower down the chain (top 20% instead of top 1%) — there are ways to change the social norms, but not easy Burden of childcare will always fall primarily on women, need social reward to balance it out
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 06:15 AM
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Young women and young men seem to do whatever is expected of them. I think it wouldn’t hurt to reintroduce the social expectation that one marry and have kids
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 06:03 AM
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Not sure what the point is
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 04:00 AM
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Because they rebel against the government / create a low trust society that doesn’t cohere
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 03:56 AM
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Like normal mono marriage. It’s the right way to do it. Bad things happen in the polygamous places. Not stable
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 03:53 AM
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I think pair marriage is a highly successful social organization paradigm. Excess young males are bad news.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 03:48 AM
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Father and brother probably not. But the rest absolutely. How close you allow each to get, how much time and energy you spend, your word choice and other cues, how you advance the relationship or don’t. All of it is based on mate selection, on both sides. I mean, this is true of every animal. That’s just how the world turns. A lot of it unconscious, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:33 AM
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If you think men and women can have non-sexual interactions I have a bridge to sell you. Every single interaction between any given man and any given woman, by definition, happens on a foundation of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:23 AM
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This is I think just because women make a certain set of consumer decisions regardless of who makes the money (women love to shop / plan / etc), and then the breadwinner makes other decisions organically (where to invest the money, health insurance, etc.)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:14 AM
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This subreddit, and the world, generally revile two groups of people: 1) men who incessantly pursue women for casual sex who they will never land 2) women who trick themselves into thinking men who will never commit to them actually do like them and so give up sex easily to these men So when people say women have unrealistic standards, it’s because of the concept in (2) above. 1 and 2 are both derived from historical reality where the world needed men who would play their role and care for child…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:06 AM
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Fine in theory but ultimately her research was probably funded by grants and programs underpinned by people who created real value in the real world
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:57 AM
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Wrong way to look at this, even if it got popular on campuses. We all know what rape looks like, what a fair HR complaint looks like, etc. That’s the test here. There’s no need to over analyze normal sexual encounters where no one meant harm. And if you think I’m wrong just think about this. In any marriage, if one partner turns down sex enough, the marriage will end. This will have obvious consequences for that person, maybe financial, but certainly disruptive regardless of finances. So is all …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:49 AM
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Dude it makes complete sense from a historical perspective. Pregnancy -> costly + unclear who the dad is if she’s sleeping around Families and villages —> need all the babies to be accounted for and provided for and clear inheritance and shit Men —> want sex Women —> want sex Men —> don’t want to care for babies that aren’t theirs Women and their fathers —> don’t want to get pregnant and be alone and have a child they can’t care for So social norms evolved where: Men —> have to show that they ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:58 PM
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The tell is just that they are clearly ready to get married after one date or even before the date. Like the exact same type of interest you might have in getting a post-tax $20M payout.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:10 PM
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Oh yes they do lol I’m relatively attractive but extremely wealthy. If I want I can get married to some nurse off hinge tomorrow — that’s less so a function of desire and more a function of her setting her life up. I’m attractive enough, so it isn’t the perfect example, but you can 100% tell when someone mainly sees you as their “ticket” and it happens all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:01 PM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:18 PM
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This is not AI. This is just AI.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:31 AM
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Men like hot women who like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:27 AM
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The “answer” is just that the female orgasm isn’t necessary for reproduction so evolution was indifferent to it. The male orgasm is critical to reproduction so men who don’t finish didn’t reproduce and so eventually we are all genetically predisposed to be shooting jizz left and right.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:25 AM
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> The issue isn't having standards. It's holding someone to a bar your own self-assessment never actually earned. 🤖
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:22 AM
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Sure it may not be wrong, but I wonder if guys who do that are really being the person they are, or if they haven’t found that yet so they’re defaulting to whatever the nearby stimulus is. I think every man needs a war to fight, whatever that war is for you. Make a career out of that and you’ll be happy and dating & family is just something that happens around that. I could be wrong — there could be guys who genuinely love relationships and all that, but personally think women are built that way…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:19 AM
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Think it’s the holdover. Women still expected to be domestic regardless of what they do in career; men still expected to be successful regardless of what they do in private sphere
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:14 AM
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The right is becoming the party of Id (unsocialized animal instinct) and the left the party of superego (behaving according to how you think everyone wants you to). We all use both in our lives, but our entertainment is usually weighted towards the former, because the latter is boring. That’s why there aren’t as many blue content creators.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:10 AM
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well, without naming names i have firsthand knowledge that many top firms receive 100x+ male applications as female for entry lvl positions and yet hire 50/50 out of undergrad Also, it does seem that women bring with them high levels of bureaucracy and HR type nonsense, and are sometimes less entrepreneurial Also I've seen women take insane mat leave, like a full year, when men take just 1-2mo Even hiring slightly more experienced people, I've been told to my face that it's expected I hire 75-10…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 04:42 AM
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markets are markets
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 04:34 AM
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in some fmr colonies, it's a type / brand of private school
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 04:29 AM
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you don't know how to spell "of?"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 04:27 AM
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Yeah based on your algorithm, which keeps you reading
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:41 AM
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The same is true if you go on the streets in the U.S. lmao. Your algo <> reality Though agree that the overall changes to social themes resulting from women’s lib haven’t hit parts of the third world yet
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:16 AM
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I mean I’ll be honest, it’s easy to resent the other gender if you feel like they don’t find you attractive. But if you work out and are socially adjusted that shouldn’t be the case (don’t believe 80/20 doomerism from no-life’s online)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 04:33 AM
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What is this us / them, do you not have female friends? If not, do you hate/resent women by proxy — ie, engagement bait online has colored your perception of real people?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 04:25 AM
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Not good to hate women
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 04:23 AM
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When this is true I think it’s often true because female status / identity often involves having a thriving community, whereas male analogue so
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 08:51 PM
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“Being natural” (“it’s easy” / “we click” / “found my person” / “comfortable”) is an emergent property of overall compatibility and attraction across a number of dimensions.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 02:58 AM
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Both genders are dealing with some sticky gender role stuff. Women have the freedom to work and be independent now, but many are still socially conditioned, naturally inclined and often expected to be maternal / managerial domestically, and their professional success doesn’t make them more attractive to men in a uniform way. Many men meanwhile are still socially conditioned / expected / inclined to be successful and wealthy, and many women are still attracted to this higher relative status. Plen…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 09:25 PM
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I mean if AI androids were 100% indistinguishable from humans, by me, then in my opinion they are humans. Currently I do not think we will get to that point in my lifetime, so for the time being, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 07:52 PM
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Rage bait everyone in the subreddit any% speedrun
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 07:51 PM
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Single people absolutely do not make the best customers and employees — there is no blanket statement like that. You can divide single and coupled folks into archetypes and if you do I think you’ll probably find that coupled folks are generally more predictably behaved which is good for employees for example
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 07:34 PM
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Yes, definitely — it will always be in demand. It doesn’t necessarily always have to be low status — but it definitely always has been and is currently. I think the basic reason it is low status is because in the wild, before we were “humans,” status was basically: for a male, ability to have sex with whichever females you want, which is achieved through combat dominance vs. other males and external threats, and for a female, to be the favored (even if not exclusive) female of a high status male…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 11:50 PM
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Difference between having someone clean your toilet and being the guy that cleans toilets — it’s low status work that is still in demand. As to why it’s considered low status — that’s a whole ball of yarn
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 10:51 PM
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Like them
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 05:44 PM
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I think there’s a couple of things 1) some of this is matching — if someone who wants to be a SAHD goes on tik tok and sees a bunch of trad wife content showing contempt for someone like him then he will be engaged and frustrated; whereas someone who is a traditional provider type will be shown other stuff that highlights their own insecurities or frustrations etc — engagement bait — same thing goes for women — providers can find trad wives and 50/50 types can find their match and SAHDs can find…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 10:54 PM
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It’s porn, porn is weird because the whole point is to try to take one thing people like about sex and dial it up to the extreme to give a part of the brain a concentrated hit and rush. Similar to how McDonald’s flavors are gross and made in a lab but also our lizard brain loves them type of thing. The CNC thing is basically a reconciliation of the innate desire to submit sexually that all people have (I mean, without this desire existing in our DNA we would not reproduce as efficiently), reconc…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 02:42 AM
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There’s no way 70% of men want that — I definitely don’t want that, sounds v boring
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:33 AM
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Who do you do stuff with on the weekends, who do you have a glass of wine with after work? Relationships are really about answering those questions at least at first imo, finding someone you really love spending time with and touching
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 05:54 PM
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If I don’t bust nut it’s hard to focus on work
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 06:57 AM
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I think high level it’s weird to think of these as a box to check — usually just something that happens. But obviously if it doesn’t for whatever reason for someone you shouldn’t let it make you anxious. Live your life and be open to connecting with people and don’t be neurotic and you’ll have a happy relational life. But my answers.. Sex: 18-20? Maybe like by the time you get out of college. I had sex for the first time when I was 18 I think. It honestly wasn’t even on my mind for most of high …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 06:45 AM
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One or more of: elite college / prestigious family / elite career / etc — indicator of intelligence / agency / background Face I want to kiss and at least C cups White Funny Fun / likes to party / hedonist / epicurean / etc
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 05:18 AM
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Well I know a lot of such women so I guess I can give you some concrete examples — the short answer is they date assortative-ly like most other people, primarily dating people from “their world” meaning some aspect of school / work / family. Same as the men. I know third hand (from online) that comp difference sometimes causes what my sense is is “mutually reinforcing” relationship friction — but irl this hasn’t been a problem for my female friends, or my male friends for that matter. However — …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 10:55 PM
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It’s porn for women. Porn is an escape fantasy, and it is fun in part because it is fake — it takes a set of evolutionarily attractive paradigms and creates a visual or written representation that gives you a hyper concentrated “hit” of these ideas. It’s an episodic experience, not something you want for your baseline life.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 11:44 PM
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Being “used for sex” is only a term that has meaning if you assume that the woman only wants to have sex with someone if that person is interested in a committed life partnership with her for at least some period of time. I think that is sometimes true for some “instances of sex”
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 11:40 PM
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Definitely. This sub is two types of people: men and women that are really really sad and neurotic, and then people who get sucked into the vortex of reading this stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 11:37 PM
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Im not post Darwin I love to fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 07:41 PM
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Well it’s the fundamental biological imperative of male humans
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 02:00 PM
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True I agree high level
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 01:59 PM
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Generally agree — no one is attracted to truly ugly people
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 07:51 AM
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Yes there is. You just look at her, and if she gives you a look that is best described as like the look you would give someone who is like juggling on a unicycle (sort of like an intrigue), then you’re good to say hi. Otherwise don’t. They only do it for a second though unless they’ve been drinking. It kind of looks like a look you’d give if someone off hand mentioned that they might want to offer you a slightly preferable to your current job. / like they’re waiting for you to say something. But…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 05:11 PM
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Interesting ideas
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 08:46 PM
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I know she isn’t down
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 08:33 PM
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I’ve been in a relationship like that when I was younger but it fell apart when I hooked up with her good friend which I guess was off limits — that was honestly a very stupid thing to do in retrospect. It’s just rare to find a woman I’m attracted to for a relationship who is looking for that kind of relationship. I agree with you though, greater interpersonal honesty and/or temperance would be laudable traits for me to adopt.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 08:01 PM
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I wouldn’t care if she cheated on me. Maybe that’s why subconsciously it doesn’t bother me that much when I do it. Interesting point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 07:58 PM
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Mainly because there are not that many girls that I am attracted to for a relationship that are looking for that kind of arrangement.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 07:55 PM
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Some stuff that fits for me, but everyone’s different to an extent. This is just stuff I feel that I just would not articulate irl for obvious reasons. 1) like you said, I cheat, which I know is not nice. I don’t think most guys do / would. But I just really enjoy variety and sex. The right thing to do would be to do open relationship stuff but I don’t want to do that for the obvious reasons. So I just cheat, which like I said I know is bad. 2) porn is dope as hell. It’s fucking awesome. I doubt…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 05:51 AM
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That’s also bc men have much more prescriptive taste as a gender vs women. I’ve had girls I consider equally attractive all find me varying levels of attractiveness for varying reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 07:19 PM
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I’d rather rub one out than text some girl that I would just be using for sex. It detracts from my peace to have to carry on that charade. Even in a relationship, sometimes it’s nice to rub one out, it’s a different feeling than sex. You don’t masturbate?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 08:37 PM
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What’s a scooter
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 08:28 PM
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That’s just not sound. Masturbation is different than sex — the latter does not necessarily replace the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 08:25 PM
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Yeah fair. But for most people going to bars is the solution to loneliness. Get group together + go to bar
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 06:32 PM
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The problem with online dating is that it’s kind of a lift to go see someone you met on an app. So it has to be pretty enticing, which is why many people primarily invest time in people “out of their league.” The real solution is for people to just go to bars and drink together. That’s always been the glue that holds this country together, and it still is!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 01:59 AM
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Yeah I mean I’ve had rl convo’s about the deeper ideas like how both women and men are now socialized as agents and society is still evolving to incorporate this paradigm etc
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 06:07 PM
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Porn is kinda whatever Actual cheating that goes beyond harmless flirting is bad Onlyfans kind of rides the line. I mean, it’s porn. But if someone is also doing the parasocial messaging stuff, then even if there’s no reciprocation it’s still a little weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 05:54 PM
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Well I can’t get, nor do I want, that specific girl. She has a very unique look. I do very well with women irl, but you can only really date one girl at a time so porn is nice for variety.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 05:08 PM
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Things don’t stay that way for long these days because everyone gets saturated with the “taboo” of it from doom scrolling and then before long late night shows are doing balanced jokes about how the gender wars are dumb — I’ve had many convos irl about how incels and femcels should just pair up and disappear from the internet e.g.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 07:43 AM
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I think if you have a well reasoned and logical opinion it’s usually socially acceptable to share, unless it’s just a very touchy subject (this isn’t in most circles), or you are hanging out with unthinking people, which I try not to do. My “gender wars” opinions are perfectly shareable if the topic comes up
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 07:19 AM
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Lol this is a pretty decent argument against the brain dead 80/20 stuff. The #1 argument against all that is just the basic fact that it’s much more like top 30% of women are into the top 20-30% of men and no one deeply cares what the bottom 70% of either gender do
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 11:06 PM
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I mean, I’m not the target audience of this post, but I will say that this essentially is the red pill doctrine, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 01:02 AM
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I personally can’t really relate to the male loneliness epidemic but I do I think know the root cause, which is that male friendships are not the same as female-female or male-female friendships or relationships. The latter two make you feel seen / heard in a deeper way which is ultimately what makes you feel less alone. If I didn’t have those I would feel lonely. If I didn’t have my male friendships I would feel sad / bored but not really as lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 02:26 AM
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I just go to the date. If im gonna live with her she’s gonna have to like me and I her sans checklist. I keep my “get ready in the morning” routine even on WFH days and I try to keep my apt in “company shape” most days bc my friends make last minute plans all the time. If I was messier on a day to day I would def clean my apt / make bed before dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 12:33 AM
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Pretty much everyone likes conventionally attractive people more than folks who aren’t conventionally attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 08:21 PM
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We all like hot people more
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 04:15 AM
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In 1960, 13% of all adults were obese. In 2018, that figure was 42%, and for women 20-39 it was 40%. Note that obesity is much more prevalent in the 40-59 age group than in the 20-39 (or 59+ group — sad) so actually this comparison understates the total increase in obesity among the group of women of roughly marrying age. And this is just obesity, not overweight status. There are obviously other factors such as technology which is a major one, but one of the key founding principles of all manosp…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 07:59 PM
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This will not happen. If a society like that did exist, it would be ripped apart by civil war. People won’t suffer a chain of abuses forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 06:56 AM
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You definitely would tell him that if he’s only trying to date supermodels — this kind of thing definitely applies to many women (swinging above their league), though usually younger women as they tend to “figure it out” pretty quickly. Probably doesn’t apply to many of the women on this sub for a number of reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 11:00 PM
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For discussion to be fruitful the participants must employ max charity to collaboratively contextualize their perspectives
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 03:58 AM
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Sex work is complicated so you’ll get a lot of different perspectives whether someone identifies as a feminist or not I think sex work is fine as long as the women or men want to be there and aren’t being physically forced. “Not having other job options” is not force — everyone has some menial employment opportunities; if those are not acceptable to someone, and that person instead chooses to engage in sex work, that’s a free choice. If they’re being physically forced then that’s sex trafficking…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 02:52 AM
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100% would not fix any potential issue and would only cause issues lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 09:35 PM
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No one like actively thinks this it’s just like the social rules that are in the back of peoples minds and to varying extent dictate whether various people would be proud to tell their friends about various things they’ve done or not
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 08:55 PM
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I think a lot of the time the “intimidated” talk track is an expression of the frustration that difficult achievements that would make a man uniformly more attractive to women don’t necessarily make women uniformly more attractive to men
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 08:42 PM
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These are just traditional behavioral codes. To the extent someone subscribes to them / identifies with them, they influence behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 08:14 PM
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It’s female power fantasy of being very attractive / high status — not necessarily having a lot of sex
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 04:15 PM
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Traditional socio-sexual codes: It is high status for men to have sex with conventionally attractive women — men feel high status by doing it It is high status for women to obtain commitment from high status men — women feel high status by doing it It is low status for women to grant sexual access outside of commitment, unless the man is very high status, such as a famous person or someone out of her league in some way — women feel low status by doing it, or neutral to high status if the man is …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 06:08 AM
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Lol no, I’ve just never heard of these fetishes. Now I have though so thanks for that
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 06:40 AM
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Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat lmao??
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 06:21 AM
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Neither is morally wrong imo. Selling it is very low status. Buying it is also low status if publicized. If done discreetly it’s fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 07:39 PM
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The main reason for a guy like that to be single is that he doesn’t want to be in a relationship with the many options he has (put differently, he is being a little picky). And it’s extremely common. This basically describes ~50%+ of singles in NYC of both genders. They are usually aware that they are single because of their own pickiness and so don’t feel like “they can’t attract” a partner / are comfortable being single.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:53 AM
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I’m of the opinion that all people should seek to be independently rich / high earning. Anything else is accepting risk in your life. To be clear I don’t care what my wife does for work, but I would vigorously advise my daughter to have a lucrative career regardless of who she marries. I suppose she’ll have money regardless but still, the point stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 02:17 AM
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Jesus Christ how poorly written. I hate the punchiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 01:50 AM
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I’d be good with 80%. I think I have like 4-5 must haves so 4/5 would be good enough imo
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 06:03 PM
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There are 2 things here and it’s like 50 / 50. 1) Confidence is attractive because it puts people at ease. People often don’t know how really how to react or feel about their life. If you can project certainty you give them certainty and people love that. “Oh ok I should be at this restaurant with this person, this is nice and a good life.” 2) correlation — attractive people are often confident in situations where there attractiveness makes it logical for them to be
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 04:57 PM
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Just a few things but it narrows it down a lot: Must have: Top school or “equivalent” 7/10 without makeup I light up when around her Freak in sheets Nice to have: Tits and ass — can compromise. Smart girls have small boobs for some reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 07:41 PM
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I think it’s because they watch rage bait online of women expressing contempt / disgust with men they find unattractive — similar to thing men say about ugly or fat women for example
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 11:29 PM
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This is definitely true, though once in a relationship I think it can be a lot more varied. Men need to ejaculate a lot, but it’s not necessarily uncommon for women to desire sex with their partner more often than the partner needs it. There’s also sort of a decoupling of sexual promiscuity and libido in single people, as for both men and women, “modern masturbation” (I.e. with toys or porn) is often more physically pleasurable than many of the sexual options available to each, and comes with le…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 10:47 PM
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This is like saying men only hang out with men they like so men are all exchanging time for value. I guess fair but a dismal lens
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 08:15 PM
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How men and women experience attraction is just different. Idk if there’s a perfect way to articulate it within a reddit comment but a very loose way to think about it: For a man to be sexually attracted he just needs to be sexually attracted physically, which is a low bar. For a woman to be sexually attracted she very often also somewhere in her mind needs to think of the man as a viable relationship partner and she needs to like the story there — who she is in that story, who he is, and who th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 10:06 PM
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Women are still I think peak hot until like 36 give or take, then they’re still attractive but clearly less than their 22-36 y/o versions.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 04:12 PM
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Eh — tons of women, by far most and perhaps even “almost all,” are planning and really looking forward to taking someone’s name
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 06:37 AM
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I think it’s more so that SAHMs often go unappreciated. Job satisfaction is generally a function of reward, recognition, and resources. Do I get rewarded or is it rewarding, do I get recognition, and do I feel that I can do this with what I have. If any one of those is zero (zero reward, zero recognition, zero resources) or close then the whole thing is zero or close
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 04:13 AM
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Lmao, nice
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 02:52 AM
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Women are more into social norms and the discussion thereof than men in my experience
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 12:12 AM
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It’s just tradition. Economies and organizational practices sometimes change much faster than social conditioning and our beliefs about our own identities. But often the latter chase the former, with a lag — so in 100 years, I am sure there will be different anchorings, but right now many people (men and women) are still anchored to what we’ve seen in history, movies, tv, books, etc. Personally I like: Man/woman make first 1% moves to each other — just flirting that then becomes clear it’s real …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 08:36 PM
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Well if you don’t know the answer why you still standing here
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 05:44 AM
2

Yeah that but also it’s often not even a good rant lmao. Like driving very fast without a map
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 07:57 PM
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I mean I don’t expect him to have a knock em dead answer for that, the artists have been trying for a while now, but this def falls in a category of posts on this sub where someone takes one idea and runs with it in a straight line without looking around at the field they are running in type thing
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 07:14 PM
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“Eh” as in “I am generally unconvinced by your claim that porn watching is unethical and find your reasoning to be perhaps well meaning but largely unsound, as discussed in my points 1-4 above”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 07:10 PM
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Eh, I mean: 1) I am sure there have been instances where, for example, someone made porn using trafficked persons or some person / group making pornography was also involved in sex trafficking — that seems highly likely. 2) However, there is no evidence that the pornography industry is so intertwined with sex trafficking so as to render unethical the consumption of typical porn from reputable production studios that operate within laws as it relates to consent and all others. 3) I do agree porn …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 04:31 PM
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Eh I don’t love either of those
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 02:40 PM
2

Agree — ceteris paribus it’s a no
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 02:40 PM
1

Of course you can. People can be good at some things and not others.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 02:39 PM
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If it’s something like, wrote my name somewhere in a bunch of hearts, ok — that’s cute / normal. But the examples you give above are very weird things that indicate that we probably aren’t a good fit. Also I have had multiple experiences of women basically demanding that we be in a relationship / not taking no for an answer, which I really seek to avoid now.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 02:20 PM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 02:13 PM
10

?? What is love if not an emotional attachment bro
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 06:52 AM
2

Oh come on that’s not what he meant
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 06:48 AM
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Eh I don’t think watching porn is morally wrong for anyone. I mean why would it be?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 06:18 AM
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I sub to one OF girl that’s just really hot and she posts a lot of good videos. I don’t do the talk to them / send them money stuff, just sub for the content
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 06:12 AM
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This is definitely a bot. Comment history confirms it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 04:01 AM
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Ceteris paribus, women have higher SMV than men because men have a higher demand for NSA sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:54 PM
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Well said both your comments. They are female power fantasies, if slightly hood, similar to male power fantasies in rap songs about giving women good dick, or the more suburban ones by folks who are more analogous to carpenter. All the different interpretations on the female side is the age old thing where female sexuality is double edged — because sex and to be sexually desired is obviously something women want, and men want — but because female sexuality is this thing of great value there is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 06:21 AM
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Female sexuality is always such a morass lmao. Which makes sense, it’s the most valuable thing in the universe basically, and the root cause of like every human action, give or take, and it’s owned by 50% of the population who can do whatever they want with it. Maybe nothing is so universally and intensely sought after, policed, and pondered by both women and men. How’s that for putting the pussy on a pedestal? Lmao I think basically sex in general in human western society carries a million laye…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 11:13 PM
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I think it’s aimed at women who don’t work / SAHMs
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 07:32 PM
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Not trying to be presumptuous here. You have been through a lot. But you don’t deserve the hopelessness I hear in your voice. In the hardest times in my life I have said to myself, I have xyz problem, I have abc path to solution, and so it isn’t worth it to worry about it. Do the path, and then check in on your progress every few months or in a year — in the meantime enjoy the gift of life like so many people before you. First you need a path to solution You should try that coaching again. Most …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 05:05 AM
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That is very difficult man I’m sorry. Is there treatment or like a path to fixing that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 04:49 AM
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She killed me and used my carcass to feed her young :(
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 12:37 AM
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I will write ur dating app profile for you. I hope you like piña coladas
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 12:33 AM
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Why because your voice is difficult to summon physically due to the vocal cord damage or is it something else?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 09:30 PM
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How does it impact you brother?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 07:34 PM
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Yeah but the flip side is women pretend not to notice that “he doesn’t want to and won’t”
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 07:33 PM
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What is horseshit lol? I meant that now both men and women are sometimes the primary breadwinner, or they both are and they outsource the housework / childcare, or one or the other is SAH, or takes a step back from career to be slightly more domestic, etc. — every couple chooses how to construct their life and the function of their household
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 02:54 AM
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Yea agree, quoting my comment above: I think she’s just pointing out that a lot of the gender roles that both genders sometimes dislike are borne from a historical tradition of agent men / owned women But I don’t think the point is to say that men are bad, I think the point is just that men and women have different experiences of socialization including as it relates to relationships based on a tradition where men enjoy the status and face the expectations of public sphere agency, and women enjo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 02:29 AM
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I don’t think the OP is, given this: It doesn't mean that they are misogynistic, but they are doing something that stems from misogyny. I guess you’re free to think that, in which case you and the guy I replied to probably both have some valid points
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 01:45 AM
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An example would be some men don’t like usually having to make the first move, many women didn’t like not having options outside of being a housewife. This stuff all comes from male being public sphere agents and women not being that — now that’s basically been changed and men and women are both public sphere agents which comes with a new paradigm of questions / problems / benefits / etc
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 11:50 PM
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I don’t think she’s really saying that men are evil because of this, I think she’s just pointing out that a lot of the gender roles that both genders sometimes dislike are borne from a historical tradition of agent men / owned women. In a paradigm where we have agent men / agent women, things will be different — depending on what different men and women want for their life, then they may have been better off back then or they may be better off now.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 10:18 PM
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He said it right after the creative destruction thing
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 08:32 PM
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I was kidding, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 08:24 PM
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Lmao fr. Young women have no desire to be in a relationship, it’s just the only thing they talk about and the core subject of all media aimed at them that they happily consume
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 08:13 PM
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Sex work isn’t really part of the ‘real’ economy. Schumpeter, I believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 08:11 PM
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U.S. inflation over that time period was ~25-30% I believe, not sure about the euro but believe it has been relatively 1-1 throughout. So would seem like 25pp increase — I wonder how much of that is demand side due to the rally in the market, or shift in consumer behavior in this case the fact that there is now a wider “funnel” where folks can first get into porn, then maybe something slightly more direct like onlyfans, and then warm up to the idea of actual prostitution, vs. Going 0 to 100
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 08:07 PM
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Yeah agree, I don’t naturally use the words “submissive” and “dominant” when I think about the nuts and bolts of relationships — rather think of it more as division of tasks according to preference + collaborative decision making with high trust
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 08:01 PM
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Yeah I think in general both the incel and femcel’s characterizations of the opposite gender basically seek to caricature the opposite gender based on some set of undesirable but also exaggerated behavioral / relational stereotypes, ultimately as a way to express frustration with one’s own ability to attract the desired type of partner, but transfigure that insecurity / pain / sadness into anger As it relates to those stereotypes, I think they do often describe people in the subject gender, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 07:51 PM
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I don’t think it’s such a transformation but I do think that sex work should be legalized. To say it’s the future of Male female relationship is crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 07:18 PM
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It’s the British term lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 05:07 PM
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LMAO
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 02:19 PM
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In other news college aged males having more sex than ever report college aged males
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 06:05 PM
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I think attraction is best felt and experienced organically. There’s obviously a table underpinning a lot of that but funnily enough thinking too much about the table is sort of counterproductive In reality I only find about 30% of women attractive enough for a hookup, 20% to date casually which I don’t really do anymore, and only like 5% as a real potential partner — mainly because of physical appearance and education / values — but thinking about it in those terms is sort of a cold and scienti…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 05:44 PM
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Yeah probably
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 05:50 AM
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It’s my opinion on the OP
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 05:34 AM
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I think this level of neurotic weirdness is a bad thing. I believe in an examined life, but also a well lived life — I think getting lost in these weird analytical spirals about things that are not mathematical, while sometimes fun, too much of it is unhealthy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 04:01 AM
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Facial fat pad distribution do you hear yourself my brother
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 03:59 AM
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Holy fuck there are sources I swear I need to spend less time here or the abyss will gaze back into me
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 12:27 AM
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Yeah I mean two sentences later I said: But I wouldn’t necessarily think of those as a sacrifice because it’s more just the trade off I am choosing because it’s beneficial for me in my calculus.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 10:25 PM
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Maybe it’s just definitions. For example if I were in a relationship I’m sacrificing not having sex with other women, so that’s a sacrifice. I’m also probably sacrificing financially in some way. I’m probably also sacrificing some amount of time out of my day on some uses of that time that are not my ideal use of time. But I wouldn’t necessarily think of those as a sacrifice because it’s more just the trade off I am choosing because it’s beneficial for me in my calculus. Personally I’d call it a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 07:36 PM
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I think it’s just the height distribution
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 07:26 PM
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“Dominant” is somewhat of a nebulous and somewhat overused term. If you mean like a king, then yeah, I mean, it’s a king. If you mean like rich, then sure, people like money. If you mean like a “dominant personality” — I think that like any white collar professional (or any professional) probably has the social competence, decision making, and “leadership” qualities that check this box from a relationship perspective. On the other hand, people with an overtly / unnaturally “alpha” personality I …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 08:30 PM
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Wouldn’t misogynistic people be the most likely to lie substantially about bc viewing it as a yardstick of masculinity?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 04:18 PM
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Lmao. This is how it happens I guess, this chick, or the male equivalent, posts some unhinged diatribe then someone else sees it and lets it impact their whole world view and you have a bunch of people just arguing against ghosts
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 06:41 AM
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/thread
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 01:25 AM
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Women work out a lot, just often not in the same part of the gym as the men
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 01:19 AM
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I mean, this applies to zero men I know and this characterization of the female perspective on men applies to like 10% of women I know, but this femcel stuff largely stems from the same place as incel stuff — frustration that one can’t date “up” in the way they want
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 01:02 AM
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I know a 5-6/10 that becomes a literal 9 with makeup. If you’re good at it, it’s meaningful
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 11:04 PM
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I mean there’s no way for a guy to know this without asking a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 06:21 AM
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Wet dreams r just life finding a way
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 06:19 AM
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It’s always the less attractive chicks that are amazing in bed for some reason
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 05:33 AM
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Yeah no one sings the song of ugly women. But you should just get good at makeup I’m sure you could get to a 6 at least with elite makeup. Plus the gym and you could totally be a light 7 butterface which is like a dimensional life upgrade from self perceived 3/10
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 05:21 AM
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True
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 05:15 AM
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This is ON POINT
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 07:14 AM
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Lmao retire the subreddit
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 07:02 AM
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I love talking to women
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 06:55 AM
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No I’m kinda shallow tbh. It’s not at the forefront of my mind but I generally don’t have unattractive friends let alone more
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 06:52 AM
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Bro who hurt you
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 06:50 AM
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I think there can be a lot of reasons for this. Some of them are 1) high sexual compatibility — I hooked up with a chubby girl once who was the kinkiest person ever and the sex was amazing. I honestly would consider dating her even though she had a pretty face but all my friends would be like dude what are you doing. 2) women do this too — the idea that you’d like to be out of your partner’s league because it’s nice to have the peace of mind / “upper hand” in the relationship a little — it was a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 06:34 AM
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Nuance that is sometimes lost on this subreddit is that different social classes have different relationships with money, and so money factors in differently to their thinking about their relationships with other people. For example if you are all billionaires then who tf cares? Less extreme — you both went to ivies and did prestigious finance jobs out of school, and your absolute floor career outcome is probably making like $500k somewhere as a senior financial executive in some random small co…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 06:16 AM
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I don’t know a single single woman that wouldn’t break down crying if she were to learn that she would be single forever, and same generally goes for men There’s a reason both men and women care so much about the ratio of a party or club or whatever — you need men and women to have fun, it’s the spice of life
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 04:45 PM
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Men need women and women need men lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 04:08 PM
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Uh no my friends are normal
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 04:07 PM
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Put your standards into this calculator and you may find that it’s less 80/20 and more like 20/20. Calculator doesn’t even take into account a pretty face
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 08:18 PM
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The only commonly stated irl one that I sort of blink at whenever I hear it is girls who say they only want to date white guys. It’s not the craziest thing in the world but it always makes me sort of blink
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 08:57 AM
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I mean depends how good AI gets right. We are basically very good computers with wetware instead of hardware (ex machina).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 08:54 AM
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I think men often want someone pretty and thin. Which is like 30ish% of women probably. Which is the source of all this stuff imo. It’s not 80/20, it’s 30/30 lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 08:50 AM
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Let’s goooo now we’re cooking
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 08:46 AM
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Eh, i think there are some differences. Ime, comparing young men and women of the same cloth (top schools, good careers, etc.) — I have a high sample size because we have huge analyst classes at my firm. The women often dedicate more time and energy to ensuring that they meet all the expectations that folks in their life have for them. Men often dedicate less time and energy to this. Men often devote more time and energy to other more concretely and perhaps less socially defined goals or pursuit…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 08:09 AM
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6figs also is a term popularized in the late 80s-90s and the equivalent purchasing power is 250k now -- sometimes it blows my mind that such a small % of the US population clears that. COL is obv cheaper outside of VHCOL/HCOL but still, the koreaification of the US seems brutal
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 12:50 AM
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Have you ever talked to a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 06:23 AM
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I think it’s just easier for men to cum bc it was evolutionarily selected for. Female orgasm historically has not been relevant to reproductive success
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 11:42 PM
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Complex topic and a lot of reasons but one big one is that basically jacking off to porn is a better sexual experience than sex with like 80ish % of women. Don’t get me wrong, sex with that last 20% is definitely better, and with the top 5-10% definitely awesome, but most women aren’t attractive enough, and some who are are just so boring in bed that it isn’t as fun. Understandably, that sucks if you’re a woman to have the gender you are attracted to all of a sudden have a lot of their sexual en…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 10:48 AM
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It all cuts both ways and varies by person
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 10:31 AM
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I think that’s reductive, ime the root is really that women deeply care more often how they are perceived both on a 1:1 basis and within a broader group Men care less, often. Like if I don’t like someone at work I will just stop working with them / etc. it often isn’t the smartest way to go about things if you want everyone to like you or at least not diss you when the question comes. But who cares (often, women do) Men often much less concerned about everyone loving them. Nature and nurture imo
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 02:50 AM
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Ime women tend to be much nicer to people’s faces, and sometimes even behind their backs, and in general use a lot of windy language / therapy speak etc — very into appearing socially laudable via the use of socially agreed / expedient language and opinions that Men do it too, but women more so imo. Hand in hand with that women are more anxious / freaked out / stressed about relationships / socially (carry more stress about how they are perceived, their relational connections to others and withi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 12:17 AM
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Anyone with less SMV/RMV is replaceable relative to someone with more, how is this a hot take lmao In general women have more SMV than men ceteris paribus because men have a higher overall demand for NSA sex
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 05:51 PM
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It all cuts both ways. It’s reductive to say that this is all because of misogyny and it’s reductive to say that it’s all because women are coddled. There just are socialized gender roles which stem from nature and nurture, and they have implications for people living in society, some of which are beneficial, some of which can be negative depending on the person, and some of which are just neutral or unconsciously experienced and rarely noticed or evaluated. It’s a pretty complex topic in sociol…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 10:19 PM
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Seems reasonable
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 03:16 PM
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I think #1 is an oversimplification is my point. It’s possible to be so bad looking that very few people see past it regardless of anything else. But I think people only see looks as part of a person, honestly. But there’s a multiplicative paradigm — meaning if facial looks, or stability, or physical looks, or personality, or anything else, is truly zero or very close to it, then the whole thing can be zero or close to it. And the other piece is, out of money or looks, looks are the only one tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:19 AM
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The often quoted dv rate stat was asking people if they ever in their life have experienced dv. Iirc, the “yes” rate was highest among lesbians, but most of those lesbians experienced dv from a man in their prior relationship(s)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 05:49 AM
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I think your claim here needs to be modified to: Having a good career and being comfortable financially does expand your dating pool. But no amount of money is going to expand your dating pool as much and as efficiently as being a 10/10 in looks. I think in general most people agree with this. I’ve seen your comments around this sub about how money and fitness are both not valued by women, and how only facial attractiveness is. I mean, these claims are just clearly wrong. Being physically fit an…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 05:47 AM
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I mean, that’s not really my understanding of animals writ large, but I guess I’m no expert. Overall though I do think the family is the atom of society and in general it’s not good to have a lot of unmarried women and men, for a number of reasons. But I also don’t think there is any particular crisis in that regard currently in the U.S. Things seem to be working fine in my estimation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 06:21 PM
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?? Not what I’m saying. I’m saying that generally, I agree with you that most males in nature don’t mate, and that that can contribute, in both animals and humans, to a state of very undesirable chaos.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 06:10 PM
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Which is probably part of why we came up with monogamy in the first place — excess of single men running around is recipe for instability, war, chaos, and other bad things, similar to the natural world, which would be worse for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 06:03 PM
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My experience aligns with yours and overall agree — one thing I’ll point out though is that 6.5x5.5 you measured is 99.38th percentile lmao https://calcsd.info
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 06:37 PM
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True I was using the global setting
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 04:03 PM
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I think people marry within their status but status is only somewhat linked to money for certain population segments now
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 06:55 AM
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it appears he may have resources lmao There is probably a subset of a segment of the population that still behaves this way. But these days, very often, henry professionals date henry professionals. Less and less are marriages a meeting of beauty and resources — both sides now have both in some measure and look for people they just like spending time with. Usually that’s people similar to themselves. But yes I do notice among non-henry professionals there are women who will sleep with you as soo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 05:24 AM
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It might be even more extreme than that. The average dick is 5in. But if you go noticeably smaller than that, for example 3 inches is already <0.01 percentile. 4in is 1st percentile. Most dicks cluster around the average. So anything noticeably smaller is a problem for very few people. Just like anything noticeably bigger — 7in is 99th percentile, 6in is already 80th percentile. https://calcsd.info
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 04:55 AM
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I would believe 25% of women express an interest in the idea of it on a survey or something but no way have actually done it that’s wild A lot of women have the fantasy though, it’s a common one up there with like force, bdsm/rough, etc But a lot of stuff like that for both men and women is just fantasy
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 11:18 PM
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Yeah the more I look at it the less confident I am in my initial perspective. Hard to tell size and strength tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 08:08 PM
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I think left is like 18-20 and right is like 10-12
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 08:06 PM
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Yeah you are convincing me, it’s hard to tell with strength sometimes though
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 08:05 PM
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Agree with all he might bench 2 plates tho
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:00 PM
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Probably takes like 6 months to a year if you go 4x a week on average and have a nonzero starting place and a trainer. Guessing he is lifting something like 1.5x bw on all his lifts. Legs look pretty thick but that might be genetics. Possible he’s at 2x+ on squat / DL which would take a while to build imo
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 06:44 PM
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Yeah left is like a 5x a week in the gym body lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 06:41 PM
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It does make you more attractive. But that level of definition in that lighting isn’t what is super attractive to women. It’s the same as men — we like a certain figure. Thin but curvy with a little more in the back and the front. They like a certain build. Which is that of like a pro hockey player, or a well built marine.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 06:41 PM
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People here are drastically underestimating the work it takes to maintain the left imo. That’s like a 5x a week in the gym physique imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 06:30 PM
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To say the left is a dad bod is absolutely wild lmao (not that you’re saying that obv). To get the left body you have to be seriously athletic and/or in the gym 5x a week
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 06:29 PM
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They aren’t lying lmao. Women like the left look better. So do I btw as a man, in myself. Left picture btw is in incredibly good shape like in the gym every day type shape. Could use a little more size but super in shape. He’s probably 12-15% body fat in that, which is as low as I like to go. Lower than that I usually feel like shit constantly, bad mood, depressed etc. on the right looks like 6-8% body fat which is like Olympian level. Also lighting is worse as well. In the same lighting you wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 06:27 PM
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Yeah I mean I was being tongue in cheek but yeah it’s def common among like 20-30 year old women to kiss a girl every now and then None of them are actually bi, some are closer than others, they will all marry men lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 06:14 PM
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All girls are a little bi tho
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:16 AM
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Lmaooooooooooo fr
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:01 AM
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Not for a relationship but for being handed sex on a platter yes. Happens to me a lot tbh. It’s because I’m very approachable and gregarious so people take it as an invitation. And honestly yes for a relationship too — I have high standards in certain ways and so I say no, but I could plausibly marry some of the women that have come onto me and people would not balk.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 12:00 AM
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Definitely. On many of these issues the disagreements are within ourselves too
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 11:31 PM
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I think this sub at this point is like 60% normal people that are unfortunately now addicted to the content, 20% sad guys, 20% sad women We are appropriating sad culture
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 11:14 PM
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Can we not call people unwanted trash? Can we just agree to not fall into these thought patterns and cycles and actually be objective? You are not wrong in some of the ideas you are alluding to of course but this is terrible vibes and will not get you positive responses
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 06:54 AM
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This is true. I wouldn’t say hate but disgust yes. Unless I see them at the gym, then I’m anyone’s biggest cheerleader.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 06:43 AM
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Definitely but it’s more convenient cheating since you don’t have to deal with another person it’s just a transaction. Still cheating just more fun cheating if you are only cheating for sexual variety
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 08:02 PM
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I don’t think this claim is even true, at least not in my experience knowing plenty of successful women — the ones that are lonely are lonely because they’re lonely people / difficult — not because they’re successful. Same with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 06:28 AM
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Yes, the women had a meeting earlier this week and this was the conclusion agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 02:51 AM
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If women are just as horny as men, then I would think it’s just socialization that makes us behave differently, like a man who fucks around is viewed sometimes as higher status whereas a woman who does is not viewed positively usually even in the most liberal circles. And the incremental risk of stds and pregnancy. Isn’t that basically what being used for sex is? I mean, men have no issue being used for sex, because we aren’t sluts if that happens, we just dined and dashed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 09:04 PM
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I mean, that’s probably like 90th percentile for women whereas men the 90th percentile is probably like 3x a day which would be 1,000+ per year So to be fair, while obviously women are also very horny as it is the human condition, men are definitely, in a way, hornier. I think our horniness is harder to put on the back burner, but both men and women are super horny.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 09:00 PM
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There are a couple points to make here I think: 1) yes — there are women who will sleep with you if they see that you have whatever they view as a lot of money. The problem is, you are leading them on, which is inviting chaos into your life and is how you get stalkers and stuff. Both men and women lead people on and it always causes problems for everyone. Bad practice 2) only a small minority of men actually want to marry someone who primarily likes them for their money. That would be miserable …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 08:20 PM
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Agree with this — ime: 1) marrying for money — wants the richest she can get. A close female friend told me this is how she selects basically. She isn’t even that hot but with makeup she’s super hot 2) SAHM or planning to be in a low earning career like non profits or the government — her dating pool is people who make $x+ but she selects within that based on other stuff 3) professionals / higher earners — ime, they often want someone they view as an equal. This doesn’t always and often doesn’t …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 08:00 PM
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Imo we are allowed that stuff we just are bad at planning and often care more about work Classic pagans
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 06:45 PM
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Feminism in academia is generally pretty cogent and appropriate in their treatment of such topics. Online feminists on the other hand are sometimes people who lack the willingness and sometimes the capacity to appropriately treat topics, and also sometimes aren’t primarily motivated by a desire to create valuable discourse, so there is often some one-dimensional discussion, or even worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 07:35 AM
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I said those things because if you can do them all then you definitely look a certain way. Yeah you have to have basic social skills as well. I don’t think what I said is cap. Agree to disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 06:21 AM
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A rich one!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 06:12 AM
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Honest question — how many of the men who complain here about not being able to get a date can bench 1x bodyweight? What about 2 plates? Deadlift 1.5x bodyweight? Do 10 pull ups with proper form? Run an 8 minute mile? Sounds like a joke I know but i mean it because people here will say “going to the gym doesn’t help some men are doomed to never be attractive” and yet having been on contact sports teams my whole life I’ve never seen one dude struggle with women this much, and the only commonality…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 07:48 PM
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Yeah I agree. I think the overall structure is just like a continuum of looks and people only “see as an option” the people who are within few levels above or below, which leads to the same outcome as you describe around any point, including for average people that are in the 7 range
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 07:26 PM
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I think that’s reductive / misleading though — people looking for a relationship want myriad things in their partner, one of which is that they should be very sexually attracted to that person
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 06:32 PM
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Yeah, I think they do in general, it’s just not socially polite to talk about it because it hurts peoples feelings and makes things awkward within groups
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 06:31 PM
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I feel like it’s just one big continuum but people rarely hook up / date more than a few levels down or up (which functionally would be the same as if it was segmented like you describe) — is that just what you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 06:23 PM
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Yeah but you know that’s not true and you know you’re going to crush a lift today
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 06:08 PM
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This is difficult to articulate, and it isn’t something women even do, it’s more a paradigm present in the “discourse” around women/gender these days. A good illustrative example is the soliloquy at the end of the Barbie movie where she laments the various public and private sphere expectations to which she feels beholden and how to reconcile that with her own desires for her life, which she isn’t really sure of because of all the different expectations she has to navigate in the first place. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 05:41 PM
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I think a lot of people have contempt for sex workers, both men and women, for the usual reasons. I think there is another component which is that people project onto OF models a particular behavior that people dislike, which can perhaps be called “bad faith moralization and romanticization of normal stuff.” People like when people are honest about normal relatable things and the decisions they are making. It often isn’t likable when people appear to be putting apparently duplicitous moral or ro…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 01:18 AM
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Good post Agree with several of these observations
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 12:17 AM
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I think it’s probably both, little of column a little of column b. Guys with bad attitudes are less likely to get laid and also guys who get positive attention from women are more likely to like them That said idt the study gives any illustrative examples of questions asked in the surveys. Depending on the specific questions the interpretation may need to be adjusted
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 12:15 AM
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To some extent all of the gender wars is predicated on “I have contempt for xyz archetype of the opposite sex and am upset because I perceive that they believe they are more attractive than me — publicly expressing my contempt will allow me to feel better about myself” Here, the cathartic value is clear — imagine a decently attractive normal woman whose dating options are severely limited because she has a kid — that picture is probably quite appealing for some Manosphere folks. Nothing like a l…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 06:05 AM
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Sex work is very complex. No woman wants to do it, but some will if they feel it is their best option. Right off the bat, uncomfortable. Sex workers are reviled in society, but also sex work is consumed every day by men of every population segment. Very few if any sex workers would want their daughter to do it. In many circles, doing sex work would be reducing your status to zero in exchange for money. Who would want that? What if someone’s check bounces? Is that rape or theft? This is an old jo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 05:52 AM
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Make women attractive again
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 05:33 AM
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Yeah I don’t think it will be hard to replicate the actual physical experience of sex. But frankly porn and other technologies are almost better in terms of orgasm quality than a lot of sex is. Obv sex has various physical sensations that the former don’t, and a robot could replicate those. But I think if it isn’t a “real person” on the receiving end, there will always be a delta between that and real sex. Because of the psychological side of it. An advanced fleshlight is still a fleshlight, not…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 05:30 AM
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I’m sure they will
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 04:26 AM
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Yeah I suppose my question is — can you really completely replace real sex without having the robot or whatever be essentially conscious?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 04:25 AM
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I think my point is, there will always be a delta between the real thing and an artificial experience, until the artificial experience is so real that the artificial entity is arguably sentient
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 04:16 AM
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I think he’s talking about slaves
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 04:14 AM
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I feel like if you are able to actually reproduce the feeling of having sex with someone using a robot, then you’ve created something that may deserve rights and can’t just be used as a sex robot. But idk complex topic
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:32 AM
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Yeah I suppose that is true
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 10:33 PM
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I did not know that, that’s wild. Guess I figured though. Point is though, they aren’t attractive to each other either.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 10:27 PM
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Yeah I agree with you. I’m just saying that I think the sociology of sex has something to do with it as well in addition to the physical sensation of sex, in determining the perceived quality of sex. I.e., as a man, any sex with someone who is sufficiently attractive is good sex. Yes because it feels good, but honestly sometimes jacking off feels better. The other key piece is that it feels high status. Obviously guys are not fucking with the active thought of this is so high status, but subcons…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 10:25 PM
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The other piece here is that many “incels” whether male or female aren’t really seeking sex and relationships — it seems they are more so seeking to be considered attractive by those they find attractive — or if not those they find attractive, those they find to be “in their league.” And perhaps even more so than that, they want the status that accrues to someone who is found attractive by those they find attractive, or perhaps those that “most” find attractive. It’s less so that they want to ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 09:29 PM
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Don’t even have to go as extreme as gay men, just think about fat women for example. Probably a lot of the most miserable incels could be attractive to fat women, but no one cares about being attractive to fat women
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 09:22 PM
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Honestly I agree that if I could “pay her to leave” I totally would. The problem is I find it inherently exploitative. No one wants their daughter to be a sex worker. Even sex workers don’t want that for their kids. Sure sure all work is exploitative, but the fact is there always has been, is, and always will be a significant incremental discomfort with sex work. I don’t know that legalization would help people who have trouble dating though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 05:17 PM
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This is incel vibes reversed. I’m only attracted to like 10-20% of women, that’s just how it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 07:52 AM
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Women do do some of the approaching I feel like. They do the first 0.5% move — the look, the touch, the smile, the app reply, whatever it is that gives you the go ahead. I feel like usually when I am making a “move” I know it’s going to be well received because the woman made the real first move
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 12:54 AM
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Feminism as used here is too nebulous of a term for this to be a falsifiable claim. High level though, all of the civil rights movements get a little wonky after they are somewhat decoupled from tangible policy outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 06:02 AM
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Men comprise 100% of historical NFL rushing yards season leaders, case closed
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 05:58 AM
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If she doesn’t you should take it out
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 02:23 AM
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Disagree. Men are awesome. This is sexist nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 08:08 AM
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I think male/female friendships are often flirtationships between people who don’t want to date (I.e. where at least one person doesn’t want to date). I do think they are all a little romantic. Ime. Being in the same friend circle is obv not romantic necessarily but if you would describe yourself as friends with xyz, I think that is probably a little romantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 08:04 AM
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I had a girl break up with me because I have a lot of female friends. Fair enough, I hooked up with one not long after. For me, honestly, female friends are usually people I don’t want to date for some reason but I do romantically like. If I’m being honest it’s all attractive women I am in flirtationships with, it’s not platonic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 08:02 AM
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Women and men aren’t monoliths anymore. Some women are breadwinners, some are SAHMs. Some are both. Some men are breadwinners, some are SAHPs. Some are both. Each household now has to make new divisions of time and energy and new compromises, on a household specific basis. A lot of gender resentment arises from not stopping to understand the individual. “She makes $xxx but still expects a man to pay for everything” — uh, maybe she doesn’t actually expect that? “He only makes $xxx but wants his w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 07:58 AM
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Prob depends what you mean by Stacey
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 08:24 PM
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I think because getting raped is a different type of fear. Men experience that fear if/when they go to prison. That’s part of it, the other part is that it’s misleading to say “men commit crimes against each other.” Criminals commit crimes against each other — most of whom are men. And criminals are afraid of other criminals committing crimes against them. Most men are not criminals and so have little to nothing to worry about
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 07:22 PM
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Eh I somewhat disagree it speaks to your desirability — no matter who you are, any sex outside of paid format is going to have some strings / annoyances / imperfections attached. She isn’t just going to evaporate after you finish, she might not be sexually compatible in terms of kinks, she might be annoying, she might want more of a relationship and feel used if you break it off which leads to chaos — personally think NSA sex is best achieved through paid formats (never done it though) whereas a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 07:15 PM
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I mean in the last episode or alternatively just her now, she’s 48 and a very good example of what I’m talking about — clearly attractive but has a certain look
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 07:06 PM
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That’s fair, another example would be the woman in scenes from a marriage which is I think Jessica chastain or however you spell it. She dresses pretty cool and is clearly hot but has that old look. I think around ~36 is when that starts but idk what drives it exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 08:54 AM
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A good example is the mom in modern family Clearly attractive, but, has the old look
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 02:32 AM
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I mean I’m 28 so take what I say w a grain of salt — everyone’s older than me
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 01:47 AM
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I get it — sometimes you are subconsciously hung up on something without even realizing it, which can be unhealthy / suboptimal. A good heuristic someone gave me once, if you and your eventual significant other could be friends with her and her eventual significant other, then you’re friends. If you wouldn’t want that for whatever reason, then you’re not gonna be friends If it’s within a friend group there can be nuance ofc
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 09:00 PM
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Personally I don’t do coffee dates because I don’t drink coffee, don’t find them fun, prefer to do dates that reflect how I actually like to spend my time (drinks / dinner), and also I get so much professional coffee with people already My favorite first date is drinks + tapas
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 08:42 PM
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This rings true, there are women in my life that are the funniest people I know but it’s usually reactive — so is most humor from both genders (conversational) but when I think of the hilarious things some of my female friends say it does tend to be shorter form for lack of a better word
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 04:31 PM
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I don’t understand your point. Men who commit crimes go to jail, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 07:24 AM
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I’m not the target audience for this post but I think most people would not be interested in this kind of thing because an attractive 46 year old woman is rare af, and even if you find one you still have to be into the old look, so if you really are only dating for the physical side of things, this is losing the forest for the trees
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 05:53 AM
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My favorite part of these posts is the OP trying to break the women responding like the last 10 minutes of a few good men
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 02:04 AM
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I think women in my personal life are hilarious, just as funny as men, though I meet some women who aren’t funny, whereas almost all dudes are at some point funny even if they aren’t the funniest. I think in terms of the “humor industry” — I do find a lot more top quality male talent than there is female, which I chalk up to there being way more men at the top of the funnel, I.e. trying to be comedians. I chalk all of this up to socialization — being funny is part of being affably faux humble / …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 01:33 AM
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Alternatively — there can be (and I would argue is, especially in modernity) a lot of overlap in how men and women live good lives, and so in what they like about their lives / existence / gender? I see your point but I didn’t take it as what do you like about being a man vs. being a woman, I took it as “what do you like about being a man.”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 01:12 AM
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What does that mean? That we should all agree men are evil? That’s obviously not true
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 12:25 AM
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Hookers would be more expensive
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 12:19 AM
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I doubt that it will ever happen
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 12:10 AM
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I guess in my view the topic of this thread is what it is to be a man. And that for me is integrally related to living a good life. Living a good life imo requires charity of thought — regarding each “individual reality” with a just and loving attention. Whether that’s an idea, a person, an argument, a novel, etc — to encounter that stimulus and seek to understand what it values in itself and what it seeks to engender in others, and in so doing develop together some thought, idea, argument, real…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 12:00 AM
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You are more just than the Supreme Court justices? Than legal scholars? How could that be? How can love not be a component of justice? Without trying to love something, how can you justly consider it? How can you dislike a food you have never tried — same as disliking a thought you’ve never thought?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 11:47 PM
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My favorite quote about being a good person / living a good life: [one should be] an intelligent and well-intentioned person, capable of self-criticism, capable of giving careful and just attention to an object which confronts her. I have used the word ‘attention’, which I borrow from Simone Weil, to express the idea of a just and loving gaze directed upon an individual reality. I believe this to be the characteristic and proper mark of the moral agent. — Iris Murdoch Do you feel like the view y…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 11:33 PM
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Everything. For me the best way is to paint the picture with some of my favorite pieces of text: Every doer loves his deed — and the best deeds are born of a love so great that they could not be worthy of it, even though their worth be very high. — Nietzsche No man has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable. — Socrates That is the resolve of His Majesty’s Government-eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 11:10 PM
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Lmaoooo
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 10:23 PM
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Agree we are all heavily projected onto gender, the question of need is probably more complicated but high level agree
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 08:24 PM
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Honestly maybe if I read what is said on this subreddit charitably perhaps it highlights a fair and relatively well discussed if not understood phenomenon in the Econ lit — the bigender workforce has made the “trad marriage” of the 50s or whenever it was harder for both genders. Because the labor market now has more supply, but not necessarily more demand ceteris paribus, so real wages are somewhat lower (put differently jobs are harder to get), and also from an anthro perspective social expecta…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 08:15 PM
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No but any married man is only married because he’s either some hyper real idea of Chad or he’s a dastardly provider (basically a John)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 08:01 PM
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I think posts on this subreddit err somewhat when they reduce a very multidisciplinary analytical consideration to just a gender-based analysis. So here for example what is discussed is essentially the holistic development of modern society and it’s probably incomplete to view that through solely the lens of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 07:19 PM
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The issue w a dead bedroom isn’t that you’re horny it’s that your relationship isn’t sexual anymore which hurts the relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 07:10 PM
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The beginning of this is a good summary — same I’m 28 and everyone who wants a relationship is in one and everyone who doesn’t isn’t. I don’t know where all these people who want a relationship are that can’t possibly find one that you hear about on this subreddit. There is definitely a large amount of men who want and cannot find “NSA sex with a variety of smokeshows who just evaporate after sex” but that’s just not realistic outside of transactional arrangements
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 06:11 PM
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I’m a somewhat promiscuous person — I v much enjoy sex with a variety of attractive people as opposed to just one person even if she’s great. But within a relationship I abhor cheating. Also difficult to have truly NSA sex with really attractive women outside of paying for it, which I’ve never done but if there was an easy and low risk way to do so I might partake
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 05:53 PM
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“Welcome to my Ted talk. I have determined that women do not understand their bodies as well as I do.”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 05:25 PM
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I don't disagree -- though I wager the representation of the thinkers discussed in this post has been somewhat reductive, and I imagine there is modern sociological text that reviews writing to date on this topic that probably treats the continuum of strict gender roles to no societal expectations with more balance Put differently — agree that they are not inherently harmful, but would say that they can be harmful
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 07:19 AM
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What is the thesis here? Is this type of man v. woman content really productive? Can we just say the misogyny and misandry are both bad? That men and women all deserve to be judged individually based on their character, neither gender is a monolith, and neither gender should project onto the other the actions of their most deplorable members?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 07:14 AM
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Everyones on them
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 04:15 AM
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From what you wrote here it comes across that if she was still in this country you would still both want to be together I honestly kind of get this, maybe not so absolute and abrupt, but sometimes you have a feeling that something in your life is temporary. Similar to how physical particles seek to find stability at their lowest energy level. Maybe living in a city that isn't your forever home, or an industry that is temporary, or indeed not with the person you love for some reason or another. U…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 03:03 AM
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From my brief time here what I’ve observed is that that is essentially the lifeblood of the manosphere. It’s similar to female insecurity industries like makeup, they have established themselves as both the “male gaze” and the way to appease it — and that male gaze is really not so male — ok men generally don’t know what they’re asking for when they say they don’t need women to wear makeup, but at the same time the billions of dollars that goes into a taxonomy of very high margin cosmetics are g…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 10:53 PM
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I’ve asked out ~10 girls on hinge over the past year which is a little different since you already know the answer is yes even more so than in person. I’ve “asked out” like ~10 women in the last 12 months irl all of which have been “friend group merge at bar > get to talking” type things or “meet at bar > go home together” type things, and I also was asked out a few times by a woman at work (same woman — had to hint no ~4x, one of which was my fault lol) One theme that runs true for me — I rarel…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 10:36 PM
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Ironically something I love about men is our ability to generate a manifesto. Every average dude has generated a manifesto at some point. About football, fantasy football, grilling the perfect stake, a video game, or indeed dick size and the mathematical formula that dictates women’s attraction. With great power comes great responsibility. Obviously women have their own special interests, but there is something about a man and his manifesto that brings a smile to my face regardless of what the t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 10:13 PM
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College education has been marketed very well. In reality only a small number of schools actually give you very differentiated life outcomes. But “college education” has been marketed very well and is now a component of identity for many people. It’s not about money as much as it is about the mores of the middle and upper-middle socioeconomic classes in the U.S., and it’s more social than economic. But we live in an economy where success is often highly correlated to academic success, so being g…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 09:37 PM
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Absolutely not
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 09:26 PM
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Is this the same dude that has been on a dick size bender this week
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 09:26 PM
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True
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 07:07 PM
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No way. We all need someone
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 04:58 PM
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I think basically if everyone is at a healthy body fat %, then most people are attractive. Still a bell curve but the hump is at 7-8ish rather than 5ish. My only reason to think that is that if you watch the Olympics they’re all hot
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 04:44 PM
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Honestly I think loneliness / bitterness in both genders is largely driven by historically low levels of physical fitness (I think), due to which a lot of people just aren’t attractive to anyone. Those unattractive people don’t magically find other unattractive people attractive — they just don’t date anyone. Put differently — whatever “just be nice / be yourself” type advice you give someone to attract someone of the opposite gender, it should be fine as long as most people are attractive — but…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 07:51 AM
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But I want a relationship for different reasons than I want casual sex. I want a relationship because I want a best friend to grow old with. Someone to love, someone to hold, etc. Who cares if I have options? The whole point for me is to pick someone and then you just are together — it’s an old system but a good one in my opinion. The whole race depends on us continuing to do it — it isn’t perfect, but life has always been about making the best of what you have, and it always, definitionally, wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 07:36 AM
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Idk if it’s pitchforks as much as indifference / eye rolls Personally I think anyone above the age of 25 is fine to date for anyone. 23-24 is kind of pushing it imo just thinking back to how I was so young at that age, but it’s not up to me to tell others what to do. i think the standoffish reaction you are getting from people is more so because the whole vibe of this post and your comments does come across a little like a revenge fantasy of trying to make older women feel bad about no longer be…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 07:14 AM
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Evidently not the ones in this comment section though
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 07:10 AM
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This is a response to some perspective that you have seen online, but not a perspective substantially belonging to the people whom you are addressing, it seems, so it may fall on confused ears. Personally don’t see any problem with relationships like this within reason, they are very common
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 07:07 AM
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Woah woah woah please calm down there is no need to be so hysterically angry
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 07:05 AM
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Totally agree. I had to act like I didn’t know where my folder or binder was to be cool like the other guys. Girls are expected to do their homework neatly and in all sorts of colors. Men were expected to scribble it before hockey practice. Obviously now I wouldn’t care at all what other kids think but when you’re a kid it’s very difficult to transcend the idea that your current stage of life is all there is. Getting bad grades was funny and cool, getting good grades was something you had to rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 01:21 AM
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You have the stats?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 11:32 PM
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Below in what just money?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 11:26 PM
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Ok where’s the proof
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 11:23 PM
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I disagree — I think there’s always a way to read something that way, but I really don’t think that’s what most women are out here doing
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 11:15 PM
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I think it’s because boys are expected primarily by US culture to be good at sports. Being good at school is actually portrayed as a “nice to have, if you’re also very good at sports.” If you aren’t good at sports, you are basically treated like a nerd by the whole school and everyone likes the smart athletes, then the athletes, then the smart kids in that order. It all changes once you graduate college of course, but we do our kids a disservice by having them live in a weird false hierarchy unt…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 10:55 PM
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Same but I’m a man — was diagnosed in college and before then just always pulled out a decent gpa due to intelligence / extreme pressure to succeed despite no one knowing why I didn’t do a single hw assignment until sophomore yr of college. My life is fine and I try not to wonder about how my life could have been better, but it isn’t always easy, so I feel for you. I was lucky to be diagnosed in college after trying a friend’s adderall and feeling “fixed —“ immensely lucky frankly. I try to look…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 10:52 PM
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Bro thinks women dislike men who are kind when in reality that it is literally the first thing they will all say they want. I love this subreddit so much. Here’s the blueprint of what women want man, and then beyond this every woman has her own things she likes of course, but this is the blueprint that should replace the Chad blueprint that a lot of people espouse here. Kind Good at something / passionate / has their own thing they are the LeBron James of at least in some way Handsome Taller tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 10:29 PM
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Yeah agree on all points, though there must be a reason that porn evolved the way it has into its unsexy/scary modern form vs having been more woman-friendly from the start, the way erotica has been for a long time now? And vice versa for erotica. My guess is it has something to do with how men and women experience horniness and what they need to sate it, but the specifics within that are I’m sure complex and nuanced
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 06:17 PM
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Yeah that’s a good point tbh, both on paraphilia and on most non-tumblr gif porn not really showing anything that would entice women. But surely there is some reason there isn’t more porn designed for women / it isn’t as mainstream?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 05:59 PM
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Obviously any dating issue that anyone has has to do with the interaction between that person and society / the pursued gender. I think what people are saying is that it is up to that person to control what they can and accept what they cannot — what you can control is yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 05:49 PM
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Ok but what if she texts you back
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 05:47 PM
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I meant psych triggers like the woman’s pleasure (incl from oral), the audio cues from the gay guys, the dominance / passion / submission in rougher porn, similar to what you’re saying etc. Straight porn I think is more bing bang boom in that for a guy to get off there really just has to be the woman, in some sort of sexual situation if even that, we’re just much more sexually simple in that way
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 05:36 PM
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Bad break up? We’ve all been there More seriously — I do feel like 99.9% of this subreddit, maybe the internet in general, is someone subconsciously channeling like ~5 bad experiences with the opposite sex into a mean / insecure rant We should all practice more positivity
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 05:31 PM
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Yeah but I think just less. Also a lot of women I know watch primarily if not only lesbian porn or even gay porn, I think basically because heterosexual porn is very “bing bang boom got that out of the way let’s get back to life” whereas some of those other types of porn have more of the psychological triggers / subtleties that are hot for women. On the other end of the continuum some women are into bdsm porn, but I think women into “mainstream” porn is actually a thinner quantity. Who knows tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 05:16 PM
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Tbh I would always do a pre-nup. Doesn’t matter if she’s the love of my life. But it is complex, as if one partner forgoes earning potential to provide a platform for the family to prosper in other ways, then how do you divide things if the relationship changes? On the other hand, should both partners continue to work full steam ahead, forcing much of family life to be outsourced to inferior hired providers? Brutal
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 03:21 AM
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I mean this is a topic area where there is definitely stuff to be said — as the male and female relationship to the economy begins to converge several traditional gender norms become more complicated. SK and Japan are good examples of economies where this paradigm has led to social issues due to sticky traditions around gendered relational behavior. You see it in the U.S. as well but in the impacted social classes traditions here have been more flexible (less sticky) so relationships have not be…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 10:27 PM
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Generally agree for SMV, RMV much more complicated and individualized for both genders, and all differs by social class / SES I think youth, beauty for SMV, but also, after a first encounter, sexual compatibility
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 08:39 AM
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sounds kinda gay
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 08:24 AM
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Different social classes interact with money differently
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 08:18 AM
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I think the age is 36 but I generally agree
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 07:40 AM
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Yeah exactly, like if you’re 35 without someone with whom you want to make a child, then it’s probably “crunch time”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 09:01 PM
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It’s “he’s a good guy” / “he’s a good dude”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 07:16 PM
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Yeah definitely 35 is like getting to be too old — probably ~38ish is the like hard cutoff I have in my mind so 35 with no co-parent is probably cutting it close I’m not a doctor though. There is also egg freezing these days though but that’s not a sure thing, but I know a lot of women who have done it
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 06:58 PM
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Agree, although the opposite is pretty much also true
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 03:05 AM
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I guess revise to “I don’t think many people if any really disagree”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 11:58 PM
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I don’t think anyone really disagrees that in shape, financially comfortable, well dressed etc. men are going to have more sexual options. I think the part of trp that people generally dislike is the people who espouse 80/20, AFBB, SMV/RMV etc. type ideas, because they tend to conflict with of a lot of peoples’ observed realities and also come across as very “online.”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 10:38 PM
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I think it’s not like 22 but more like 36 when most women stop being immediately attractive to most men
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/25 05:15 PM
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This is Darwin’s own pro con list?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 10:11 PM
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Yeah “being from the same world” is a necessary but insufficient condition for me for LTR/marriage, so school/professional circle/or family etc. I’ve done hinge hookups with women from different circles and we just aren’t on the same page / I don’t feel fulfilling companionship
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 07:03 PM
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Agree — all gender norms cut both ways
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 06:52 PM
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Eh, tbh I think if it were socially acceptable some firms would prefer to be basically all male for the resultant fraternal environment
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 06:48 PM
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Skin care is a funny one as it seems many to most women care a lot about it yet men tend not to notice it. Perhaps it is something we don’t notice directly (outside of say acne) but still meaningfully contributes to whether we think a woman is attractive or not, like some makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 06:45 PM
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Omg this is elite
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 06:15 PM
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Yeah more broadly you see “gamification” in every aspect of society now. Even the verbiage of the dumb gen Z / gen alpha memes like “looksmaxxing” is from video games. Def something to be said about how the existence of these fake worlds that feel real and have social components, where through some effort within a very intense dopamine drip paradigm, you can “perfect” your experience — how these video games have altered societal perception of real life and how to navigate it. I see it in all par…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 06:14 PM
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Why would this be the case..? Is there a shortage of attractive women in Sweden? Not that I’ve seen lol. I think there are a few things here: 1) have any of these relationships actually ended in marriage? 2) maybe your friends are just delightful people lol 3) in general, it’s definitely not true ime — I wouldn’t give a girl a second glance if she was any of the following: overweight, only averagely pretty, not in a similar “educational-professional” circle as myself, has kids. Even from just a …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 06:04 PM
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Once a girl I hooked up with on tinder asked me to send a dick pic before we hooked up NSA. That is the one and only time any woman has ever expressed any opinion on the size of my or any penis. Dick size is like hair layers for men — the other gender cares a lot less
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 06:30 PM
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99 speed for sure though if we’re talking 2k
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 12:11 AM
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As a man these are my responses (no one asked I know) Height: shorter than me by a few inches, so call it 5’7 and below. But ideal is 5’3-5’6 but it doesn’t matter that much. Fitness: I’m fit so she should be too Income: I don’t care, it’s more about is this person from the same world(s) as me, and I’m pretty selective on that front — a good proxy is often school they went to — alternatively if school is whatever/mid for whatever reason which happens, then if she’s in some profession or career o…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 12:07 AM
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Yeah this describes a lot of girls that went to catholic school and live in nyc
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 11:08 PM
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Yeah I think this is where you are losing folks — the standards facing women that you enumerate above are usually not sufficient to describe an “S-tier woman,” so I think this comes across a little not “apples to apples,” if that makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 08:01 PM
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This is psychotic lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 07:54 PM
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Who you really know that is that ugly? Take a sample size of just people at my gym I go to every day. I’ve never seen one dude I would say is not at least like a 7 with the right outfit. Which is crazy, because it doesn’t make sense. But I think the reality is is if you put effort into your appearance, with the right outfit anyone can be a 7. The “bell curve” for human physical attractiveness assuming everyone is in shape I think has its hump at 7, not like 5. For women I would say there are sti…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 10:29 PM
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Have you ever listened to a song or watched a movie or tv show or seen a commercial? The women’s body image movement is basically the incel movement for women and basically like every woman is impacted by it whereas only a small % of men are really that wrapped up in the “female gaze” Edit: forgot about porn lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 10:09 PM
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I think Hinge is pretty awesome for men both for finding casual and serious relationships. In my experience at least
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 07:49 AM
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This is a good articulation — I agree that is a theme underpinning a lot of the discourse here
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 06:39 AM
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Let me come back to you after my workout we are probably talking past each other
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 06:00 PM
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Men absolutely care
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 08:12 AM
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Totally false. You shouldn’t work out or become successful for the sake of attracting women, but that absolutely will happen as a byproduct. Crazy to suggest otherwise. Being in really good shape turns the average person into an 8, and facially attractive people into an 8-10.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 08:11 AM
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Yeah makes sense. Interestingly though I view SMV / RMV as concepts which are appealing to apply to the general case, but they break down in almost every specific case. For example picture a woman with extremely high SMV/RMV — we are all picturing something generally somewhat similar now. But then picture next to her a woman in your real life that you would marry if you had the opportunity. Interestingly, for me at least, she is of clearly lower SMV/RMV than the imaginary woman, but I find her m…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 11:49 PM
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Couldn’t agree more.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 05:23 PM
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I think part of what makes sex and intimacy fun is that it makes you feel attractive. For men, fucking anyone moderately attractive (7/10+, skinny) gives you that feeling to some extent (which just btw is already only like 30% of women which is important to note). But I don’t think women get that feeling from sex/intimacy with just anyone, because for any moderately attractive woman there are a lot of people who would be down to just fuck once or a handful of times after bar close etc. So for a …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 05:18 PM
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I think loneliness epidemic is basically caused by: 1) addictive technology that allows people to meet their base need for human interaction without actually fulfilling that need via real human interaction 2) higher overall body fat % in the population — above a certain body fat %, people aren’t attractive. So there are a large amount of men and women who are not attractive to each other, which causes them to not have a strong desire to interact / date / etc. on the other hand, even if they are …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 04:58 PM
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I don’t disagree. But I just roll my eyes because it’s obvious and it’s just the way it is. More is expected of men and men get more respect, on a like for like basis. I prefer that to the alternative Also though, I just skimmed the post, but most of this post, if it ever applies, only applies to like extremely attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 04:45 PM
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Oh my god can I roll my eyes any harder
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 02:36 AM
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“This thing I view solely as a sex object doesn’t offer me anything but sex >:(“
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 06:12 PM
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I’m 28 so I do 24-32
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 06:42 AM
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This is a good high level point, it’s like the line in Fight Club “self improvement is masturbation.” Self improvement is obviously good, but its important that you’re ultimately building to a place of security rather than just feeding insecurity
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 01:01 AM
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Yeah makes sense. I think hypergamy in general is just a manifestation of insecurity so it’s very off putting
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 09:29 PM
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Isn’t that what women’s intuition is?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 09:07 PM
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Yeah definitely
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 07:18 PM
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Idk about conservatives but she is hot lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 06:36 PM
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Yeah good question. This is an answer based on no actual fact as I don’t see any other way to answer this question besides total conjecture. I think women just don’t crave dominance as much as men. I’m not saying men go around all day thinking how can I dominate, but lowkey, we kind of do, which is why we spend all our time on work and games (golf, pickup basketball, video games). We socialize through forming teams and winning. We live life through forming teams and winning. Women don’t really d…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 05:04 PM
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Yeah good question. Core takeaway: you can just cut the attractiveness piece altogether from responses to this question, because it is assumed. You don’t have to say it, and saying it comes with a little social weirdness even though obviously everyone cares about it, it’s just one of those things. Charitably reading what you said it sounds like you have typical standards for appearance and prefer a slightly more introverted or quiet girl perhaps because you are the same / for compatibility. The …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 04:57 PM
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Yeah good question. Not sure but in general it seems like women care much less about dick size than men do
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 04:30 PM
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Yeah it’s two different things. Attraction and love in real life happens organically, the response to this question is substantially inorganic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 09:04 PM
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Yeah I definitely follow your logic. I think it works well as it relates to cars. Nice cars ruin average ones — I agree with that. But I really don’t think we should be looking at people like they are cars.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 04:49 PM
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I think just because this isn’t how people talk in regular life bro. Unless this was on some red pill type forum, discussing any of this so explicitly and/or using any of the “terms of art” used in this set of fora is going to just get you called an incel and rightfully so — this stuff should be kept to theoretical discussions online and in real life you should just be yourself and touch grass. Any other way of navigating the world is usually weird and off putting.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 06:54 AM
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Yes — and in fact that’s an even more extreme example because you would get roasted by the boys for hooking up with some fatso which is the only way a girl gets to <4
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 06:49 AM
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Dog what is she gonna say, “yeah you’re right imma kill myself?” This is just social interaction. You are saying something to a person that is likely to elicit a specific set of response types, none of which are her seeing the light, apologizing to you for her transgressions against the sexual order, and changing her ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 06:46 AM
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Oh wow. I meant more like let the woman believe you want a relationship when it’s never going to be more than FWB, and also say you’re interested in and by what she says etc. I misread your comment. That’s crazy they really tried to dupe you
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 06:36 AM
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2s and 3s are fucking 8s? No chance. Also I know you didn’t ask but go to the gym, I hate to hear a man talk like that about himself. Anyone can be a 7 with effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 06:20 AM
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Not just a woman thing — saying I have xyz leadership role is more tangible, the normal social reaction is to be impressed or feign that you are impressed, etc. Saying I have been working on xyz and now feel capable of xyz is more like ok cool But to be clear the latter is often critical to your journey in life. I had a gf once who asked why I studied so much more than other people. It’s something that doesn’t clearly reflect its value until it does. We broke up in the meantime for other reasons…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 06:14 AM
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This is something I did in my early/mid twenties (I am now in my late 20s) — you grow out of it when you actually want to start your life and are no longer interested in just acquiring sex like a game
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 06:07 AM
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Ugh that is bleak
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 06:04 AM
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Lol maybe that’s one issue is just that a big % of the population now is unattractive because they’re too fat
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 06:02 AM
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I would never want to be in such a relationship, even when I was not as strong as I am today. Fortunately not really a rampant issue. I don’t care about height really. I dated a girl that was 2 inches taller than me and it was fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 05:58 AM
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Yeah makes sense. I think men and women basically both get criticized when they come off overly obsessed with status, and especially the status that accrues from having a very attractive partner (including potentially more attractive than oneself), and/or bitter about having what they perceive as insufficient status. It rubs people the wrong way. In polite society what is more respected is living your life with virtue and allowing status to organically accrue but not be directly discussed
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 05:54 AM
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Well I was using that term in a somewhat tongue in cheek way, that’s my bad. I just mean you simultaneously are attracted to the other person but also to the idea that someone you find attractive is attracted to you. I feel like that’s relatively non controversial
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 05:45 AM
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Thanks for articulating this, this seems like a good summary of the core beliefs underpinning RP stuff. Can I just ask why you believe this? It’s well written but it conflicts with the entire experience of my life in which women have sought relationships because they like/love and enjoy spending time with men, and men have done the same. Meanwhile super attractive people obviously in theory have more options than less attractive people, but I literally never see attractive men “steal away” women…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 05:41 AM
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Idk my first rxn was just to see this as a little women hating for no reason. But yeah I see where you’re coming from. For me though I think all people are turned on by feeling sexy. Sex is narcissistic like that — I like when she touches my muscles because I know it’s impressive to her, shit like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 05:24 AM
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I’m going to get shit on for this but Bro find me the ugly chick that’s fucking around a lot. That doesn’t exist.. I seriously think people are attracted to their “equals” and that it’s similarly accessible for women and men to date / fuck their equals. I don’t understand why people take it as obvious wisdom that that’s not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 05:20 AM
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Yeah I see where you are coming from. Tbh I think women are just as eager it’s just less socially acceptable for them to go around fucking everyone. They constrain behavior like that to places where it’s appropriate and context where it’s more socially acceptable like club/bar/going to dinner/vacations/shit like that I’ve observed / experienced horniness in women that way transcends male horniness. Male horniness is like an itch you have to scratch, but female horniness that I’ve seen at its pea…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 04:49 AM
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There is definitely female toxicity out there and ime it stems from the same place as male toxicity — insecurity
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 04:48 AM
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Dog…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 04:47 AM
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Yeah aging really screws women for sure. The “everyday benefit” of being significantly attractive drops off. People are just a little less nice, you have that much less social opportunity readily available. Just life I guess but it isn’t like the end of the world and it’s not that impactful to the quality of your relationships and friendships, but the everyday value in knowing that others see you as attractive is lessened for sure
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 09:17 PM
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Yeah that’s crazy. Although zero people I know have stated any such pledge. Also what is MGTOW?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 07:56 PM
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I see your point — one thing though, I didn’t read that as OP justifying criminality. Read charitably, his view expressed here has been quite common in academia for decades now, and at a high level I do believe it is directionally accurate. A lot of crime is driven by male insecurity, especially non-economic crimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 08:42 AM
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Agree — the one thing though, like most scams, it’s not just being dumb but also that they want to believe it. Anyone who claims to have “the truth of the world” figured out really saves you a lot of time and energy thinking if you can just take the red pill instead. It’s undeniably an appealing pitch
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 07:41 AM
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It’s insanely toxic. It’s like some mean girls shit — “Jessica said that she doesn’t like your outfit” when Jessica never said anything like that. Make you insecure so you need a friend and then be that friend. She’s going to leave you all you really have is me, this blogger
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 07:28 AM
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Yeah this is one of the things that modernity / the culture will have to contend with over the next 50 years. Well intentioned smart people were like women should be able to have jobs and go to school — obviously. Then it was also well intentioned smart people who were like boards should be 50% female, mgmt teams should be 50% female, etc. — slightly more complex now but I can see how you might need positive action like that to overwrite long held biases. But now there are a LOT of expectations …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 07:02 AM
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You really feel like women you date don’t care about you as a human being?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 06:48 AM
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100%. Although at this point I think most of this forum is people who are now addicted to telling those people and their female equivalents to touch grass
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 06:45 AM
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Definitely agree. Also can’t paint genders as a monolith. Of the 6 women that immediately come to mind for whom I know their motivations / outlook: 1) very traditional values — wants to be a SAHM eventually, but doesn’t need a ton of money 2) doesn’t care who is the breadwinner, but believes it will be her husband, but fine if it isn’t 3) looking to marry rich 4) wants the man to be the breadwinner 5) doesn’t care who is the breadwinner, but by her own admission won’t be due to her field 6) look…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 06:30 AM
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Yeah wouldn’t surprise me, dating apps are a big driver of all of this gender wars content too. The response we always have for crazy shit on here is “touch grass, go outside,” but until the first date anyway, dating apps basically are like human interaction w/o touching grass and going outside, so it can be very toxic just people making decisions based on face/school/job.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 06:29 AM
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Yeah you are right. Perhaps gold digger content is necessary because the RP/manosphere is all basically predicated on the 80/20 idea that 80% of women go for 20% of men. Which is obviously false by just looking around, but RP proponents can talk around that, but it’s undeniably false by the simple fact that people get married and the human race has not ground to a halt. But by saying that those marriages are only happening because women are gold diggers and need a “workhorse” you can keep the il…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 06:24 AM
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Yeah I see what you mean. Intimidate is a word people use colloquially but it’s an oversimplification / what they really mean is something different. There’s a lot of movies and books and shows that touch on these themes. I think some to many women feel that men are looking for a particular set of relational dynamics at home. They want their wife to be a witness to their life, a cheerleader, a caretaker. They want to feel like “the man” at home, as all men have a little bit of a need to feel lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 06:06 AM
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Yeah but the TRP premises are all wrong lmao. Go outside you see everywhere the “80/20” rule just doesn’t hold. I feel like what really drives the continued existence of incels / RP is just that men’s perception of an “average” girl is somewhat skewed by social media / etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 05:18 AM
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So much of the anti-woman side of this subreddit seems financially driven. Why? Some women I hang out with are like self professed gold diggers and own it, but it’s definitely not all women that are like that. In my experience it’s like 1 in 5 are like primarily motivated by money in relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 05:05 AM
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Yeah def get how it seems weird. I think basically content about “the worst version of the other gender” gets a lot of engagement. It’s what this whole subreddit is for example, people love it, it scratches some itch. She clearly doesn’t actually believe that — seems like its more she gets to just scratch the itch of hating the “hypothetical awful guy”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 04:55 AM
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I remember that that was so weird. When I was a kid you’d search like “which axe spray will get me the most girls” or “are dog people different from cat people” or something stupid like that and there would be an in depth discussion on bodybuilding.com Yahoo answers and bodybuilding.com did a lot of heavy lifting
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 08:09 PM
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Yeah that can be hard. But it’s like “my flight got delayed” hard, not “dunk a basketball” hard — I.e. everyone does it. First thing I’ll say is I’m sure you’ve been invited to something in the last few months that you said no to for some reason or another — the easiest way to have a booming social life is to just be a “yes man” for a while. You’re down to hang whenever wherever (within your value system). Second: You must have work or school — would suggest you start there and grab beers with s…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 06:59 AM
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It’s interesting how women sometimes have such different types but men at least ime all seem to have pretty similar types (not exactly the same ofc but more similar than women ime).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 06:49 AM
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Bro what are you talking about turn off Reddit and go socialize right now
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 06:46 AM
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For sure you need to be confident in life for anything good to come your way — though improving your attractiveness improves your attractiveness. Hitting the gym is recommended because it makes you hot — literally every Olympian is attractive — it ain’t a coincidence. Olympian body fat % and a little muscle = hot person.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 06:43 AM
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I think they’re about the same league lol..dude needs to fix his hair and hit the gym and she has taken this picture in a way that you can’t even tell what she looks like which is not a good sign
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 06:38 AM
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Definitely agree that a lot of what’s posted here seems like men and women reacting to rage baiting online content that people in real life don’t really believe in any meaningful wat
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 06:37 AM
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Definitely see your point, but there are clearly vastly substantial differences between humans and chimps even if our DNA is very similar, that 1% difference is really felt. So pretty fair to think there are differences to how we think and behave socially
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 06:34 AM
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I meet people at bars all the time and then you merge groups or whatever — that is very much still a thing for friendship / dating / ONS etc
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 06:30 AM
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Yeah this is def true I mean more in general is expected of men in certain ways, more is expected of women in certain other ways. Those gender norms cut both ways and we all uphold it every day imo. It’s not all bad but you gotta be aware of it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 06:28 AM
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Guy is not in the wrong — they’re both enjoying what they’re doing usually. This happens all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 06:06 AM
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That’s crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 05:57 AM
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Yeah you’re probably right but my only thing there is I feel like they still have to go way below their own attractiveness level to do that, like it’s not hard to hook up with unattractive girls on hinge if that’s what your goal is (that’s obv mean and one shouldn’t lead people on, just saying the ability to do that is not that different between men and women)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 11:00 PM
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Yeah I see where you’re coming from, my question is though do women have easier access to sex than men? Probably going to be told it’s obvious that the answer is yes but I’d like to hear the argument for it because in my head it isn’t really that black and white at first
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 09:03 PM
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This is obvious in reality but it’s actually difficult to articulate exactly what drives it. I think people basically like to feel valued and attractive. It isn’t going to make anyone feel valued and attractive to say certain types of overly sexual things or even just certain direct compliments. Like if you say “nice ass” or “I want to xyz gross thing” — that communicates that you like “ass” and “xyz gross thing” — it doesn’t make anyone feel valued or attractive. Try extending a “just and lovin…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 08:36 PM
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Yeah I guess, idk man complex topic
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 03:00 PM
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Cool, and he’s saying that that’s a bad thing why? Or is he just saying that it’s a Western thing and we shouldn’t “deny other cultures the right to explore their own solutions —“ to that point, solutions to what stated problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 02:41 PM
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Is “sexual diversity movement” = idea that there are more than 2 genders / transgenderism is real?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 02:22 PM
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I mean you can do this but if a woman did this with me I would just stop dating her because it would feel like a sugar arrangement as opposed to a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 02:12 PM
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Maybe she’s born with it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 02:27 AM
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Yeah definitely admirable to aspire to leadership for the right reasons. I think leadership ought to be an organic thing — starts with leading by example, and grows through ongoing dedication to the group being led. But I don’t think that transcends being yourself — it’s just another different thing imo
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 02:08 AM
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Well said
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 02:01 AM
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Lol yeah good point. But my question would be does anyone really think they or anyone ought to be that? Live that way? My personal view is no, but people can get stuck in certain life ways easily because humans are so adaptable — but that same adaptability means that once you get that flywheel going, people can change their minds and ways to fit their true values.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 01:47 AM
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Be the person you want to be and you think people ought to be, and you will find yourself surrounded by people with whom you are compatible
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 01:38 AM
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Yeah definitely agree
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 12:58 AM
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It seems like that’s basically what they do — hang out and hate women together and be generally salty at their own belief that women either (i) think they’re ugly and poor or (ii) are unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 12:27 AM
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You should use some of that money to get a personal trainer that can help you feel better about yourself bro
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 10:30 PM
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I feel like I tend to date my “equals,” so the concept of bringing things to the table is not really there Even if I did date someone who is in some way much better or much worse than me, I wouldn’t want to look at it like that.. I know I’m not the target market for this question — but the real question for me is what drives people to look at dating like a competition between man and woman as opposed to finding a partner. Is it just a string of bad experiences and then you’re like alright you kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 10:06 PM
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Yikes lol One thing I’ve noticed about FDS, that last bit of your screenshot is doing a lot of work there. Where she says her perspective is based on her dating tons of men in her 20s that didn’t get her or plan anything for V day. So there’s a component of where the “starting point” of some of these women is way too accepting / pushover so what reads like pretty aggressive advice is actually just bringing some of them to baseline selectivity. It reads really crazy but if you read it charitably …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 09:42 PM
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I think it’s more just that it isn’t always socially appropriate. Now why is it not socially appropriate is a pretty complex question. Maybe because it can be seen as a conspicuous expression of interest — which then puts the woman in the position of responding to that. And generally socially it’s usually only appropriate to do that when you have a pretty good sense that your interest is reciprocated (otherwise it’s awkward). But that’s not always the case — you can definitely platonically compl…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 09:34 PM
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Yeah seems pretty normal, although following anything to the letter is weird but in general not chasing men who don’t reciprocate commitment / investment makes sense obv. What are some of the big drivers that bring people to FDS? For TRP it seems like it’s a lot of men who feel they can’t get the attraction of women they like. And it’s more of seeing women as like a nice car or a nice house, I want the best one as opposed to I want a partner in life. For FDS it seems like it’s women who have bee…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 08:16 PM
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Yeah definitely but my point was just that the TRP “thesis” is quite clear — the opposition to that articulated on this subreddit runs the continuum from “normal people who think TRP is weird” to “people who are almost TRPish in the other direction” so it’s a little unclear what the actual debate is — but the other commenter explained it well
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 08:02 PM
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Thanks this is a very helpful articulation Complex topic Do you have views on what some of the big drivers are that lead people to these different schools of thought / groups Edit: just looked up “hypergamy” and kind of get why people think FDS is toxic now — similar to TRP it’s focused on treating the opposite sex like a BMW or something as opposed to a person and partner
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 07:50 PM
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Got it, I thought that the point of this subreddit is a debate forum between TRP and FDS. But sounds like it is more so a debate between TRP and “not TRP” (which is I guess what is meant by the blue pill). Is that more accurate
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 07:46 PM
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The debate in PPD I mean But this is helpful thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 07:44 PM
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What evidence? Ime women are always talking about wanting a boyfriend or talking about their boyfriend, men have less focus ime on it
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 06:36 AM
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Yeah, to be clear I think this is something men do when they’re younger, don’t know who they are or what they want, and generally aren’t ready to begin a life w/ someone (is what it was w me) — I would never do this now, it’s a waste of my time (and hers of course). I’m sure there are some men that don’t grow out of it until later in life though, and yeah generally it’s for all the perks of having a relationship w/ someone you aren’t actually interested in being with for whatever reason but yes …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 02:42 AM
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Yeah definitely, this stuff gets weird when people start trying to quantify it but she has to be really attracted to the man for this dynamic to happen, it happens all the time tho
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 02:33 AM
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Dude this is not true, this is warped. You seem to be only thinking of a situation with a super attractive woman and an average or unattractive man.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 01:05 AM
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Hm, I guess that’s fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 01:03 AM
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I don’t think they’re built on that though, they involve transactional stuff sure, that’s everything, but they aren’t built on that imo
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 12:39 AM
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I think this is somewhat true but not nearly as absolute of a thing as the OP would imply
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 12:37 AM
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Ime women obsess a lot more over having a boyfriend than men do about having a girlfriend
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 12:26 AM
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I agree with this, with the caveat that often it is pretty clear and the woman only goes along with it because she prefers to believe the delusion
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 12:22 AM
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Holy fuck, this is the most toxic and awful subreddit I have ever seen, you all need to touch grass lmao
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